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This badly needs updating.  I'm sending it out partly because even in its
current state it might be helpful; and partly to get information needed to
update it.  New material is in brackets []

From: Dan Goodman ([email protected])
Subject: alt.recovery.clutter FAQ
Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter, alt.answers, news.answers
Date: 1999/05/27 [some updating through 7/4/02]

alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a
problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience,
Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep
them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information
for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any
organization, nor does it speak for any organization.

You may also be interested in the Decluttr mailing list:
[email protected]. To subscribe, send this message to
[email protected]: Subscribe Decluttr Your Name. Put this
in the body of the message (the Listserv software ignores subject
headings), and don't put anything else in the message (this includes
your signature). Note: "Decluttr" with one e.

[A smaller, but lively, mailing list: [email protected]. Not
affiliated with Messies Anonymous.  To subscribe, send any message to
[email protected].]

A couple of (quieter) web-based mailing lists at the Messies Home on
the Web: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3337. (Or go to
http://ww.onelist.com.) One with a Christian emphasis, one general.

Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or
use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity.
It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in
some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged
into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps
of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved
February 1996.

Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted,
get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people
into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax
authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on
time, is a real problem.

Q: Does cluttering go together with ___? A: Clutterers are more likely
to have one of these: clinical depression, Attention Deficit Disorder
(ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.  But none of these invariably
goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go
together with any of them.

Organizations for clutterers

If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you
think should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's
experiences with groups.

Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the
meeting is still at the time and place given.

Clutterers Anonymous.  http://www.clutterersanonymous.net. CLA, PO Box
91312, Los Angeles, CA 90009-1312.  Email: [email protected].

Note: Phone numbers given only for CLA meetings which have okayed
having them on the Net.

Minnesota:
Roseville, 1st & 3rd Saturdays, 10 AM, Pat, 651-644-1139 or Janet B, 612-
375-1170, St.
Christopher's Church, room 128, 2300 Hamline Ave. (Hwy. 36 & Hamline)

St. Louis Park, Second Saturday 12:15-1:15. Pat, 651-644-1139,
Prince of Peace Lutheran Church, 8115 Highway 7, Hwy 7 & Texas Ave.,
across from Knollwood Mall.

South Minneapolis, Thursday 7-8 pm, Dan G, 612-821-3934, Anodyne
Coffeehouse, 4301
Nicollet Ave S.  Look for the Serenity Prayer on a table.

St. Paul, Sunday, 3-4 pm, Walter, 651-484-8763, Black Bear Crossings Coffee
House & Community Circle, 831 Como Ave.  Look for sign on meeting room
door.
Someone wants to start a new meeting Wednesdays in the St. Louis
Park/Edina/Golden Valley area. Zola, 952-927-4914.

Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY
Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet:
[email protected]. Website: http://www.messies.com  [Note -- not considered
a pure 12-step program; the founder does not maintain anonymity.]

"If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city
and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have
asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person
who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive
as much information and support as you might need if you want to start
your own group." Bonnie Rice
Change: You can now ask from the website. [Further change:  there's now a
mailing list for asking.]
[MA meetings will be listed if they request it.]

[Clutter Recovery.  http://www.clutter-recovery.com.  Not a 12-step group.
Most of the meetings so far seem to be in Texas.]
[Meetings will be listed at their request.]

Passed on by Lori Burkart
'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San
Francisco and meets twice a month (2nd and 4th Mondays, 3-4 p.m.) [Does
anyone have contact information?  Is this still going?]

'The flyer reads:
"For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help,
the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group
presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group"

'"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997:
2nd Mondays ....
4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.)

'"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due
to Hoarding problems]"'

alt.recovery.clutter
(BRADFORDMC)
Sun Jan 18 1998

"I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and
attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel. Due to parking
restrictions and space considerations in that area the plan for the
2nd Monday in February is to meet @ the Canon Kip location, 705
Natoma@8th Street (S.F.) I find the support mutual and encouraging. I
encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am
interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay.
One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision
problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home.
Anyone else interested?"

Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley --
someone who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet
informally. Call Zola at (612) 921-4917.

Useful Books, etc.

[A lot of people are enthusiastic about Julie Morgenstern's _Organizing
From the Inside Out and _Time Management From the Inside Out_.
http://www.juliemorgenstern.com; there are discussion forums.]

Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good
Housekeeping
THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering
Catastrophic Living.
MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES
Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS
Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I
Clean the Moosehead?
Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life
Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen
(Warner 1983)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985)
Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993).
(....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or
Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se).
The sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is:
Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc.
P. O. Box 5364
Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091
http//www.shesintouch.com
"Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield.
(Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at
10.99US, 15.99CAN, 7.99UK).
"Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper
Collins Publishers, 1998.  ISBN 0-06-095265-2.

Wed, 25 Feb 1998
MRS BONNIE J RICE <[email protected]>
Home Organization Booklist Online

Dan, It's official, I've moved my website to
http://getolife.hypermart.net and am hoping to provide more
interactivity with the new site. I'm working on making the site more
helpful. Any ideas would be appreciated.

I just finished reorganizing my home organization book list into
categories instead of by author. If you are looking for the perfect
book on meal-planning or paper handling or clutter control, you can
actually go to that section of the list. Many of the books can be
ordered through Amazon directly from the list and some of the authors
have websites of their own that are linked to the list.
http://getolife.hypermart.net/booklist.html

[2/99]  ... anyone who has taken the home organization class and wants
to join a support community on excite (you need to join excite which
might be a hassle to some) please let me know and I'll send you an
invitation that will get you in. It's a closed community so we won't
have spam or other inappropriate things there.

Fri, 23 Jan 1998
ttista
cleaning tools

I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get
his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo.
really.

He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products.

[new: http://www.cleanreport.com/]

Fri, 27 Feb 1998
Stella Sloop
SHE Online...

For those of you who have been wondering what in the world the SHE
Online thing is all about, and for those who may have been too late to
take advantage of it this past time, here's hope:

from the Get O message board of AOL

Re: March Is Clean Sweep Month!
(Get O CEO)
27 Feb 1998

'Kim asks if the Delphi service (new home of SHE's Online and 21 Days
to SHE) is another service like AOL.

'Kim, yes and no. Yes, you can get Internet access through Delphi.
No, it's not necessary to have a paid account to visit Custom Forum
222, the Get Organized Board, on the World Wide Web:
http://www.delphi.com/mc When it asks "Go to Forum by Number", type in
222.

'All you do is sign up for a FREE membership at the log in page.
Don't worry, you can't miss it. Pick a username and a password. and
you're up and running.

'In format, Delphi is pretty nice. Messages are threaded, and easy to
read and to post. There's no length limitation like the Slob Sisters
Online message board. And since blessed Delphi permits me to retain
copyright, it's JUST the place to post the 21 Days essays--don't miss
out!...'

http//www.organizedhome.com

Sat, 11 April 1998
Mycala W Shaulis
Kitchen Web Link

http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html

It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house.

Sat, 11 April 1998
Josie Morgan
Financial Info: What to Keep

I ran across this link while working on our taxes today:
http://www.quicken.com/saving/frugal/

It is an article by Jane Bryant Quinn on how to organize financial
records --it covers what to keep, how long to keep it, and logical
ways to organize it.

Wed, 27 May 1998
OrganizeWize

Now that I'm getting more content to my pages I was wondering if you
would add Organize Wize to your FAQ. I have added a printable form
that helps for setting goals called Daily Active Enforcement (DAE) Goal
page and info on how to get started decluttering (or achieving any
goal) called "Charting the course".

Nita in MT FREE Ezine, online signup
Organize Wize: http://organizewize.hypermart.net

Thu, 18 June 1998
Balance Check
DECLUTTR: change of site address - balance check - FAQ

Home page: http://members.aol.com/balanceck/

DeCluttr FAQ: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_clutter.html
DeCluttr FAQ - SHORT:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_short_decluttr.html
Clutter Books:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/books/clutter_books.htm Clutter
Links: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/Links/
links_categories_clutter.html#clutter

Sun, 26 July 1998
Jeannie Weeks <[email protected]>

[...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule
your household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We
offer tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on
our web site at http://www.wecosoft.com/tips.html.... We even have an
email loop anyone can join by sending me a request to
[email protected]. The email loop has tips for using the program
as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and
anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join!

Jeannie Weeks Wecosoft
http://www.wecosoft.com
ICQ#2837260
Chore Genie on AOL

Sun, 18 Oct 1998
The Roberts Family

I'm pleased to announce that I've added 3 pages on decluttering to my
web site (all decked up in fall colors).  More will be forthcoming, of
course: http://www.pongo.com/~webpages/andy

alt.recovery.clutter
"SaraB"
Web Site
Thu Mar 18 1999

http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/
This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from
the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her
"challenge" section.

alt.recovery.clutter
"Terry Voss"
Neat Link!
Tue Mar 23 1999

Online Organizing Expo: http://www.organizedtimes.com/expo2.htm
Just found it myself, so I'll be exploring. Looks good, though.

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