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The Satanic Reds - Social Realists alt.satanism FAQ v 1.4
by Founders of SR Org.
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The Satanic Reds - Social Realists alt.satanism FAQ v.1.4
by Founders of SR Org.
First posted to usenet November 28, 2004
This revision made November 8, 2005
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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I Satanic Reds - Social Realism and Satanism in General
1) Why do you call yourselves Satanic Reds?
2) Are you Satanists?
3) What is the Satan that SR espouses?
3.1) What does this SR Satanism, or Dark Tradition basically consist
of?
4) Satan has always been seen as the Dark Lord, Dark Principle, or Dark
Force. Does this tie it back to the Christian or horror-show view?
5) Isn't some of that Dark Tradition Satanic stuff syncretistic or a
synthesis of many things?
5.1) Do you have any roots in Chaos Magic or Magick?
5.2) Do you have any roots in Thelema?
5.3) Do you have any roots in Theosophy?
5.4) Do you have any roots in the Witchcraft or Wicca movement?
5.5) Do you have any roots in LaVeyan Satanism?
5.6) Do you have any roots in the Temple of Set?
5.7) Do you have roots in Atheism?
5.8) What exactly are the Roots of Satanic Reds, when it comes to the
Dark Tradition?
II Political and Philosophical Issues - Social Realism
6) Is the SR capitalist, socialist, or communist?
7) Why do you insist on 10 political statements for membership
qualification and not on a belief system?
7.1) What are the political statements?
7.2) Does a person have to belong to any specific political party?
8) Does SR regard people that feel this dark force and flame as better
than those who do not?
9) What is the hammer and sickle in your sigil?
10) What do you use the pentacle for?
II The Satanic Reds Organization
11) You are not like other satanic organizations out there at all. Why
not?
12) Are you a hierarchical organization with a hierarchy of titles such
as Priest(ess), Magus, etc?
13) Is there anything a person has to do if they join?
14) FD Roosevelt, who is mentioned a lot in your socio-politics, was an
American President. Is SR for Americans only?
15) Why don't you charge money for membership?
16) Why have you made so much of this information public to people?
17) If members can make their own covens or grottos for magickal
workings, how does that work in connection to the SR organization itself?
18) Can members make a magazine for the organization on their own?
19) What if some members don't get along with other members or have
disagreements? Can they get kicked out for that? Do the founders step in?
20) Are you against other Satanic organizations or any other
organizations?
III Further Information
21) Where can I read more about Left Hand Path Traditions on the web?
22) Where can I read more about Social Realism on the web?
23) Are there hard copy documents that elaborate on this further?
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1) Why do you call yourselves Satanic Reds?
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We call ourselves this because we are Satanic in the sense of Sat and Tan,
the Dark Doctrines or Dark Tradition. We are Red in the sense of radical
(though the association with that color seems to have changed in the USA
recently to mean conservative). Red has always been associated with "Red
Devil."
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2) Are you Satanists?
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The answer to that is yes and no - because it would entirely depend on what
you mean by the word "Satanist." First of all, using the word "Satan,"
Carducci, in his "Hymn To Satan," echoed the same concepts and ideas we echo
for Social Realism; and Michael Bakunin regarded Satan in the same manner as
us when we speak of Social Realism. When Jules Michelet wrote "Satanism and
Witchcraft," a book that the majority of people interested in the Left Hand
Path or Wicca had back before the late 1960s, it was about exploited
peasants rallying around a mythic-heroic figure: Satan - in opposition to an
oppressive Christian political feudalism of that time period.
However, for the many people familiar with the
entity/force/character/being/God Nyarlathotep in H.P. Lovecraft's tales,
they'd know that Nyarlathotep is the Soul and Messenger of all the Old Ones,
the Messenger of Absolute Chaos, the "Crawling Chaos," that has a million
faces and/or avatars, and also the Black Man of the Witches, i.e.,
incarnated or posing as a human-like figure. Nyarlathotep was also the
character Lovecraft dreamed about before he ever tried to write about it
and, some say, before he wrote "Cthulhu Mythos" tales, tales distinctly
different from the rest of the fiction he wrote. Fans or anyone familiar
with this would recognize that Nyarlathotep is a definite stand-in for
Satan. However, some other fans of this fiction recognize Nyarlathotep as
their own Supreme Being!
Professor Robert M. Price is a highly educated professor of Theology with
two degrees in Theology. Professor Price also taught Eastern Esoteric
Tradition in a university. He is also a scholar of H. P. Lovecraft's tales.
As written down (i.e., not an oral tradition), this tradition is Tibetan; it
is not Hindu. Professor Price, in "Crypt of Cthulhu, " vol. 1, number 2,
page 8 wrote of the Tibetans that, paraphrasing: we know what their name for
that primal Oneness was - the undifferentiated "Chaos" is Nyarlathotep. In
other words, if people in these cultures were to use a name from the Mythos
of Lovecraft and his circle to name what we in SR write of as "Asat Sat" or
Mahakala or Sri Kala Chakra, that name would be Nyarlathotep. Long prior to
Robert Price writing this essay, the forerunners of SR org were using such
"mythos" words instead of standard occult or religious words: the word we
used for the Void or Boundless Darkness was Nyarlathotep. (This is covered
thoroughly in section 5.8: What exactly are the Roots of Satanic Reds, when
it comes to the Dark Tradition?).
Furthermore, Professor Price wrote, in the book, "The Nyarlathotep Cycle"
Introduction pages vii - xii, that in order for Nyarlathotep to fill three
disparate roles such as soul, messenger and crawling chaos of the Other
Gods/Great Old Ones, the paradigm that would accommodate all this naturally
would be "Saiva Advaita Vedanta, or the monistic mystical philosophy of
Siva-worship championed by Gaudapada and Sankara. (Our article on "Asat,
Sat and Tan" quotes from Sankara*) For Nyarlathotep to be the "soul" of the
Other Gods would mean that he is their common essence, that root divinity of
which the Other Gods are themselves half-real personifications on a lower
level of (human) perception which Sankara called "lower knowledge" or
avidya, ignorance - that is, a knowledge that correctly apprehends a
penultimate level of reality." We absolutely agree - this was the
Nyarlathotep in Kishite terms (See section 5.8: What exactly are the Roots
of Satanic Reds, when it comes to the Dark Tradition?).
Professor Price goes on to explain in his preface about Nyarlathotep, "All
things are temporary, and thus illusory, manifestations of it.
Nyarlathotep, as the "soul" of the Other Gods is the undifferentiated
Godhead, Brahman (a neutral, because impersonal or superpersonal, term).
Likewise, for Nyarlathotep to be "chaos" refers to the state of Pure Being
before the first moment of its illusory refraction into seeming
differentiation. It is the state of Tathata (suchness) or Sunyata
(emptiness, void) [we often call it "Thatness"] that the mystic seeks to
penetrate - some by simple meditation upon the Oneness; others by fantastic
and, in the case of [Hindu] Saivite-Buddhist Tantra, grotesque techniques,
such as sex mysticism or the gustatory transgressions of [some cults - Price
reverts to fictive terms here - but he is referring to real so-called Left
Hand Path cults of India.] Lovecraft, in "The Haunter of the Dark," calls
the steeple-confined entity "an avatar of Nyarlathotep," a term borrowed
directly from Hindu theology. An avatar (descent) is the coming of a god in
a physical body to perform some mission in the world of Samsara (the realm
of maya [illusion] and mortality)." Again, we agree and this Idea can be
found throughout the Dark Tradition monographs and in some of the articles
on our site.
*"Asat, Sat and Tan"
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/d-force.html
No matter what Left Hand Path you follow, or even if it's some alternate
religion magickal Right Hand Path, no matter what you or your culture call
it, the political forces of reaction present in some countries call it ALL
Satanism or Satanic. They consider Wicca, most of Hinduism, all of Tantra,
Taoism, most of New Age, Voodoo and even, in some places, the Jewish
religion and Atheism to be Satanic, too; depending on which fanatics you
speak to. Some fanatics call the Pope in the Vatican "the Beast" and
consider the Catholic religion "a Satanic Cult." Some fanatics consider
Mohammed, the Prophet of the Moslems, to be a "Satanic Terrorist." And so
forth. So there is the RADICAL reason for us to call ourselves Satanic: it's
radical and in your face. So, even followers of mainstream monotheistic
religions are not immune from the brand "Satanic."
Some of the members and founders of the SR prefer to see what we represent
as wholly outside such Western notions of Satan or Satanism. Then again,
there are many others that categorically state that the Dark Tradition is
Real Satanism. We have no problem agreeing to disagree - one man's God is
another man's Satan.
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3) What is the Satan that SR espouses?
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The Satan in the Dark Tradition we espouse is Sat and Tan, Being and
Becoming, and we don't accept the Judeo-Christian concepts for "Satan" at
all. We are making a pun out of Sat and Tan and we are the first
organization to ever do that. Then again, if what we know as the Boundless
Chaotic Darkness is Nyarlathotep in our own older non-standard lingo, and
Nyarlathotep is Satan, it stands to reason that we are talking about a Satan
that is not what any Judaic, Christian or Islamic people think it is. The
SR org sticks to standard words, even if they are foreign words.
This system is from an ancient tradition that is 1. genuinely Left Hand Path
of the kind having nothing whatsoever to do with "breaking silly taboos," 2.
has a Boundless Darkness as the Prime Force, 3. has a "flaming light" within
the Darkness that flashes out and becomes all things due to the Urge of the
Boundless Darkness, 4. has that Dark Flame as being within people, IF they
let it flow. Only people with that Flame within can self actualize, if they
choose to do that. Here are examples: Sat: The one ever-present Reality in
the infinite world; the divine essence which IS, but cannot be said to
"exist" because it is Absoluteness, or Being-ness Itself. Satta: the One and
Sole Existence. Sattva: Understanding; quiescence in divine knowledge; a
Bodhisattva is a person that possesses this. Satya: Supreme Truth. Satya
Yuga: the Golden Age of the age of truth, actually the first Yuga, but often
equated with the Trita Yuga (last age). Tan means to "stretch forth" to
"become." Words such as Tantra, Tanmatri have the root word "tan" in them.
As for Sat and Tan, legitimate words: It is highly possible that the Hebrews
committed a cultural inversion on the word Sat, since they did have contact
with Persians who definitely DID invert ALL the ancient Sanskrit (Shivaite)
concepts. The Hebrews did not invert the word Tan because the Tanaim, in
Hebrew, are those who "know what the angels know." The Tanaim are the True
Magi. This type of Sat/Tan Dark Doctrines Satanism can be seen in various
organizations that run in various ways, localized or loosely connected. This
type of Satanism includes the Pythagorean system on the pentacle (the
pentalphas), which correspond to the Five Dharmas, and the pentamychos
system, which corresponds to the fearsome or towo aspects that defend the
Dharmas or Five Principles. The Five principles, as seen in nature, are
parts of what the Dark Force IN Nature does, as it permeates and motivates
all of nature. More on exactly what we define for our organization can be
seen in "The Nine Postulates of Satan" at this location
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/9-sat-tan.html
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3.1) What does this SR Satanism, or Dark Tradition basically consist of?
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The Dark Tradition is an emanation doctrine about the Boundless Darkness,
(No Name, Aditi, Ain Soph, Apeiron, Brahman, Thatness, Nyarlathotep, etc.)
and the Flame, (Viraj, Vajra, Logos, Chi, Ki, etc.). The Flame is in that
All Pervading Darkness and from that, there is the doctrine of Being and
Becoming.
1. Unknown - Boundless Darkness (or Thatness). - That which is Formless
(Arupa).
2. Non-Being and Being (Asat and Sat). The intermediate being-state is
BECOMING or stretching forth (Tan). This happens out of Necessity.
3. Emanation of a Light or a Flame as a 7-fold Formed (Rupa) and Ordered
substance that Became all material (space/time, matter/energy) things.
4. Infusion and permeation of the Darkness as a 5-fold formless chaotic
"force" of some kind, into the 7 which, in turn, drives all things on to
ever greater change, complexity and diversity, relentlessly driving it on to
change, to Become. It is from the 5-fold that we get the Pentacle - based on
the Orphic/Pythagorean original doctrine of "Tartaros." (Tartaros did not
mean "hell" originally).
This Doctrine is totally unlike a creation doctrine; it is very much unlike
paganism with many gods and goddess and half-godling "children of" the
gods/goddesses. It is not dualistic at all. It is not for everyone! One is
either Of It, or they are not.
In addition, there are elaborations: how that darkness is always categorized
in 5 distinct ways as it acts on "the nature" around us and how the Flame is
within us as Kundalini. How the Flame comes into living beings from the All
Pervading Darkness, goes through living things as a Flame or kind of "Light"
and then returns to that One Darkness. How the All Pervading Darkness itself
never increases or decreases all the time this goes on. There are also
doctrines about what lacks this Flame within. There is no judgment on such
people. It is just that the Tradition is not told to them - hence it is
esoteric. (Times have changed). I could say it this way: Aditi, Vach, Viraj
(Vajra), or Asat, Sat and Tan are the same things, recognizable to anyone
that knows this, as Kether, Binah, Hochmah. Same things.
This is one solid tradition amongst MANY whole cultures, parts of cultures
and peoples. It is universally said to have been The Adamantine Doctrine by
which all society was governed in a "Golden Age" during the Satya Yuga,
which is a prior world age (some systems have other names for the last world
age). It is distinct from the trinity traditions, distinct from the
dualistic traditions, which oppose light and dark. It is distinct from
paganism. It is distinct from the solar cults. It is NOT a salvation
doctrine nor is there any kind of notion of a "personal anthropomorphic-type
Being" in the One Darkness.
It has nothing to do with rebelliousness or the mundane world of the herd
and/or hypocrisy. It has nothing to do with that pro or con - all that is
irrelevant.
We have unified what belongs together as a core doctrine: The Dark
Tradition.
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4) Satan has always been seen as the Dark Lord, Dark Principle, or Dark
Force. Does this tie it back to the Christian or horror-show view?
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No. The Sat is Being/Truth. Mahakala is "Dark Lord of Transcendent
Awareness." Sri Kala Chakra is "Lord Time Devourer." Karabog is "Black God"
perceived more as a non-centralized force or spirit in everything. Our use
of "Dark Lord" or "dark force" ties back to these things. Seeing, and above
all feeling this force/principle/etc. as permeating and motivating all of
nature, Satanists and others have revered this as either an Atheistic force,
Deistic Principle, or Theistic Deity. Keep in mind that the Flame that burns
in us and flows as Kundalini comes from this Boundless Darkness and returns
to it. We do revere our own Flame!
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5) Isn't some of that Dark Tradition Satanic stuff syncretistic or a
synthesis of many things?
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Yes. What we present, especially in the sold Monographs, is the Dark
Tradition stripped of cultural baggage that was added much later by various
cultures. This tradition is not in all cultures, but it is in some cultures
in part or in whole, and we do write about these and explain it in detail
without degenerating into the abstract or the hypermystical.
Incorporated into the Dark Traditions are all things that touch on it or
focus on it: Hermeticism, certain aspects of the Kaballa, Taoism, certain
whole schools of Tantra, Shivaism and Vedanta wherefrom we get the words Sat
and Tan; Orphism and Pythagoreanism wherefrom we get the pentacle to
represent the 5 Truths/Wisdoms (which are identical to the 5 Dharmas of
Tantra). . It is interesting that the root word Sat in modern Sanskrit means
Truth of the inner kind. In the West this, as Satan, got inverted to mean
the Lie, or Satan as the Father of Lies. This could be one of the earliest
known examples of cultural inversion, as just explained.
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5.1) Do you have any roots in Chaos Magic or Magick?
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No, none. They sort of have their roots in us from way back! Some of them do
notice similarities. We used to have the entire Dark Tradition "translated"
into a kind of HPL/Derleth/et.al. mythos lingo that various non-public
groups used. Many Chaos Magicians caught the trend. Some of the old timers
in that movement do see a strong similarity with some of the Dark Tradition
information. See Hermeto-Tantrik Mythos for an interesting read, if you are
familiar with that, located here:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/hermet-mythos.html
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5.2) Do you have any roots in Thelema?
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No, though there are definite similarities that Thelemites in the Satanic
Reds Organization recognize and have written about. Crowley did study some
Eastern Traditions, therefore there will be similarities, just as there will
be similarities seen by some that have studied Gurdjieff.
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5.3) Do you have any roots in Theosophy?
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No, though there are a few Theosophists in our organization that think we
present the Real Deal in a very pure form with nothing hidden away.
Blavatsky certainly saw some of the same basic core Doctrines that the
Satanic Reds know of, such as the Hindu Creation Myth, but she altered them
to suit her own Right Hand Path purposes and either put some Hinayana into
them or Christianized them. Some of the text in "The Darkness is One," which
was made into a song by Tani Jantsang in the early 1960s, is remarkably
similar to the Hindu Creation Myth and to what Blavatsky took, however she
took it pretty far from the original non-human, cosmogenic intention.
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5.4) Do you have any roots in the Witchcraft or Wicca movement?
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No, though there are Wiccans in our organization that resonate to the "feel"
of it.
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5.5) Do you have any roots in LaVeyan Satanism?
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No, absolutely none, though LaVey did hand out two high titles to two of the
founders of Satanic Reds, but these people never used these titles on
anything they ever wrote or sold. The "spirit" of the Dark Tradition might
be said to be anathema to the "spirit" of anything LaVeyan, despite the fact
that LaVey handed out those titles for the Dark Tradition information. High
titles were handed out to another of the founders by quite a few public
Satanic groups; none of these were ever used on any published material.
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5.6) Do you have any roots in the Temple of Set?
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No, none, though there are some Setians that see a strong similarity between
their Set concept and The Sat. We both have the Doctrine of Becoming in our
organizations.
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5.7) Do you have roots in Atheism?
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No. though some atheists read our stuff and translate it easily into big
bang science and biology.
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5.8) What exactly are the Roots of Satanic Reds, when it comes to the Dark
Tradition?
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Since that is a rather long document, you may find that information at this
url:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/sr-roots.html
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6) Is the SR capitalist, socialist, or communist?
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We are sort of both. Dirigist capitalism is a form of Socialism! We speak of
the Bill of Rights and the New Deal. Forces of reaction have made absurd
slanders against programs that benefited all hard-working people. They have
many times called President F.D. Roosevelt a RED! Well, if F. D. Roosevelt
is a Red, then so are we!
The point is this: any kind of social planning necessary to have in a whole
nation, especially a modern one, that serves to benefit the hard-working
people, present workers or retired workers, gets labeled Red. Even liberals
are called Red! Anyone who is TOLERANT is labeled a Red! Anyone who is in
favor of women's rights, feminism, gay rights, and against racism is called
a Red! In fact, anyone in favor of tolerance toward alternative religions is
called a Red or a "pinko commie." This is not new! And so, we call ourselves
REDS!
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7) Why do you insist on 10 political statements for membership qualification
and not on a belief system?
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Because those 10 statements are political in the practical sense, but on a
much higher or inner sense, they are spiritual. People who tend to agree
with self serving things that also serve others, have a good, balanced
character.
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7.1) What are the political statements?
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1. Do you agree that WORKERS should be paid a livable wage, a wage that
Labor Unions would probably demand, and that workers have a right to
organize? A neighborhood and/or community filled with overworked and
underpaid workers eventually becomes a slum since the people living next to
you can't afford the necessities of life with a few frills. A stress filled
community is a dangerous community.
2. Do you agree that HEALTH CARE is not a privilege but a Human Right that
all citizens should have in a civilized technological country? Included in
this would be Medicare for our formerly hard-working elderly folks who are
now losing all the money they worked honestly and hard for due to the high
cost of prescription drugs. Included in this is the strengthening of the
Social Security System which once guaranteed a continued good life after
retiring from a life of work. Sick people who can't afford health care could
spread the plague. Plagues do not discriminate between rich or poor.
3. Do you agree that PUBLIC EDUCATION should be available to all citizens,
not just in primary and secondary schools, but including day-care if
necessary and up through college for all who qualify in a race/gender blind
merit system where the best, no matter who they are, are encouraged to
excel? This would mean an EQUAL RIGHT, blind equal rights, to excel or fail
in a public education system. An educated nation is a civilized nation.
Educated people are informed people.
4. Do you agree that CORPORATE WELFARE must stop - and that money needs to
get back to the workers who make everything, and not drain out to the big
corporations? Corporations have the same rights as citizens, but right now
they do not have to abide by the same laws governing citizens. They should
be made to. When they harm the workers, they harm the country that the
workers live in.
5. Do you believe in stringently maintaining a SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND
STATE so that people not only have freedom OF religion, but also freedom
FROM religion if they so choose? Right now, Congress can make no laws
regarding religion. But City Ordinances can be passed and States can make
laws.
6. Do you believe in striving for a clean and healthy ENVIRONMENT and an end
to needless environmental destruction? This includes ANIMAL RIGHTS for
animals other than human animals when it comes to non-health care uses of
animals. Animals need not be slaughtered for vanity purposes. This entails
working for clean energy (or cleaner) and making this affordable to all
citizens. Note that this does not mean we are anti-technology or Luddites;
we are in favor of new technology being developed and used (we already have
much of it) to create a less wasteful and clean environment.
7. Do you believe that the Multi-national corporations and Trans-national
corporations need to HIRE OUR OWN CITIZENS and not wander outside for cheap
labor (who are like SCABS in Union talk)? A scab is a person that works for
super low wages and takes your job away from you. You can't possibly live on
a wage as low as the scab is working for - for instance, $1.00 an hour.
8. Do you believe in cutting the military budget and putting more of our own
tax dollars to the service of the people? This incorporates the idea that we
need not fear foreign invasion if people own guns! This includes the idea
that we don't need to waste tax payer's money on being the "police of the
world" or trying to solve the problems of other sovereign nations. The
military budget need not be used to make MORE nuclear weapons, it could be
used to enhance the nation and definitely, for the quality of life of the
men and women that are in the military. The old G. I. Bill was much better
than the new one in terms of quality of life for our armed forces.
9. Do you believe that in any civilized society that PEOPLE should be put
BEFORE PROFITS? Keep in mind, the key word here is CIVILIZED.
10. Do you agree with us on these very important issues pertaining to
Occultism of any kind: we are DEAD AGAINST bloody rituals and/or human or
animal sacrifices; we are DEAD AGAINST policies that promote sexual
relations with children - and by that we mean CHILDREN, not males and
females who are nubile and already having sex or who live in countries that
promote marriage of younger people who are nubile (physically and
biologically at the child-bearing age). We mean children. Support for
anything like this is one of the biggest dangers threatening Occultism
and/or Alternate Religion. Groups that have links to such things, or
organizations that advocate them, have their own websites. Linking to them
has nothing to do with "freedom of speech." Actively linking to them is
active promotion of what they advocate, or what they promote, it's giving
them free advertising. If you have such links, do not link to us or try to
join us. If you wish to join us, remove those links. Freedom of speech means
nothing without responsibility to the self. There is also Freedom of CHOICE.
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7.2) Does a person have to belong to any specific political party?
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No. People in many of the major and minor political parties often find that
they are in agreement only with some of their party's platform and have
their own ideas about other issues. SR presently has members from every
political party, major or minor, out there. Obviously, they agree with
these 10 points.
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8) Does SR regard people that feel this dark force and flame as better than
those who do not?
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No. Some people have good ears for music. Some people are tone deaf. It's a
matter of tone deaf people not trying to be musicians. It's not hard to tell
who is tone deaf and who is not and no one has to know a thing about music
to be able to hear it correctly and/or harmonize with melodies. They are
not, as whole human beings, lesser or inferior to those born with good ears
for pitch and harmony - but they aren't musical at all. Likewise, the tone
deaf can learn to become experts on the subject of music. They still will
never be able to "Know" music the way a person with good ears knows it
immediately on hearing it. The sensory experience is going to be different.
That is the only analogy we can give because it fits.
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9) What is the hammer and sickle in your sigil?
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The hammer is a symbol of labor and the sickle is a symbol of farming. These
joined together represent industry and agriculture united. The two symbols
appear in the Pentagon in the center of our Pentacle. That Pentagon is a
House; it is not inverted; it is the correct way and, in the Dark Doctrine,
represents YOU. But in a worldly sense, it would represent the world and the
world runs due to agriculture and industry. Our House is a house of farmers
and workers - all working and making society run. What is a big corporation
without the little workers? It's an empty building. What is a big
corporation that hires little workers outside the nation? It's a group of
people that have increased unemployment within the country. What do they
make to sell us? Who is going to buy things when no one can afford things?
The House must be put in order and have a strong Foundation, or it will
fall. Nations need a strong, self-sufficient agrarian and industrial base if
they are to survive as healthy nations.
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10) What do you use the pentacle for?
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The Five Points of the Pentacle, or rather the "Blazing Angles" that radiate
from the House represent things in the Dark Doctrine and these ideas come
directly from Orphism and Pythagoreanism. Starting from the top right point,
going clockwise, and making this very simple: 1. Our Roots in the sense of
physical generations. 2. Justice implying natural stratification. 3. The
Anima or Vajra Root of our individual Being and our animal nature. 4. Our
Inner Well-being or Psyche. 5. Nature in us and around us and in which we
live. The X that is formed by the crossed lines where the top point of the
inner Pentagon (House) is, represents Heart, Feelings, Eros. These are
elaborated upon in great detail in Monographs we sell on the Left Hand Path
Traditions, especially in the Monograph, "Tantra, Vajrayana and
Pythagoreanism."
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11) You are not like other satanic organizations out there at all. Why not?
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Satanic Reds exists as an alternative to the "Satanism" that is so tied up
with Christianity or silly horror-show antics. It is, in fact, a Left Hand
Path organization as far as occult doctrines go. The doctrines are wholly
outside of the more familiar Judeo-Christian world view that people that get
into "Satanism" have. The concepts of becoming (xeper) and Inner Will
(thelema) are in these Doctrines, and always were from ancient times. The
wailing angst of people rebelling against their own Christian backgrounds is
wholly left out - it's not in SR, it doesn't exist, we do not cater to that
type of person.
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12) Are you a hierarchical organization with a hierarchy of titles such as
Priest(ess), Magus, etc?
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No, titles mean nothing in the SR. Every Comrade is given a title of
People's Commissar, including the founders of this organization. We are not
a hierarchical organization at all.
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13) Is there anything a person has to do if they join?
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Aside from writing nice articles, being creative, emailing each other, or
practicing your Craft in a group or solitary manner, which is what most
occultists do, there are some suggestions made to SRs. Members do not have
do these; they are suggestions.
As Social Realists, you can support the Bill of Rights, which is threatened
now. You can work to get a Bill of Rights in your country if you don't
already have one. If you don't know what the Bill of Rights is, look it up!
You should know what this is, whether you join this organization or not.
You can support the New Deal that was implemented by the great President F.
D. Roosevelt. The Great Roosevelt was elected by the People of the United
States for four terms. Those were the days when a dollar went somewhere.
Life was good back then. President FD Roosevelt saved the United States
during the Great Depression. His programs have been eroded by the military
industrial corporate powers and further given a bad name by social parasites
who were allowed to wallow in generational welfare, which put a burden on
the "middle class," gave social programs a bad name, and otherwise helped to
propel the reactionary forces of both the Christian Coalition types and the
political thought police to power. In other words, the ultra left eroded the
New Deal by abusing it, and now the ultra right wants to finish the job of
destroying it.
We suggest that you find large groups that are already established that
agree with any of the 10 points and join up with them, work with them. Don't
bring religion up; that's not a good idea and it's off the mark and tends to
cause friction. Work to attain Social Realism in a spirit of cooperation
with groups that are already huge in number, who have the clout and
experience.
You can get out there and make a difference no matter how "small" a
difference that may be. That is a Satanic Red! That is a Social Realist!
As members of a Left Hand Path organization called Satanic Reds, by whatever
label you choose to define yourself by, you can do pretty much what any
other of the many and varied Satanic or Wiccan and/or other organizations
out there are doing, if you choose to do this: there are risks with some of
the things they do. Teach people about it, set the record straight. Or
don't. Form a coven or grotto; Or don't do that at all, especially if you
live in an intolerant town or country; use the internet instead as a method.
In other words, do what you want with the Magick. Remember, a strong act of
True Will is Magick.
If you engage in Magick, try a working that might help gets these political
things done.
You have everything to gain by doing that, even if you agree with the 10 SR
statements and choose not to join the SR.
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14) FD Roosevelt, who is mentioned a lot in your socio-politics, was an
American President. Is SR for Americans only?
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No. We mention President FD Roosevelt and this means very little to foreign
members, some of whom already have a great system where hard working people
get a good wage and guaranteed health care. They have to realize that their
countries weren't always like that and that progressive thinkers and
planners can be replaced by corporate despots that don't give a damn about
working people or farmers. Feudalism can easily return. Well paid workers
can be replaced by low paid scabs from other places. Countries can be turned
into Global Plantations very easily. Transnational and Multinational
Corporations are going about doing that right now.
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15) Why don't you charge money for membership?
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Who would charge it and who would get paid? There are technical issues also:
are we religious or are we political? Marsh does charge money for the Dark
Tradition Monographs. If any member chooses to make a hard copy magazine, we
would expect that comrade to charge money because it costs money to do
something like that.
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16) Why have you made so much of this information public to people?
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Some people come to feel something about their own Flame or Logos, if they
feel anything at all. For those that feel it and perceive it as Ultimately
Bright, there are plenty of organizations for them to join, plenty of books
for them to read. For instance, it would be reasonable for a person raised
Christian to think, "Oh, that Light must be Christ." We have no information
that they would be interested in (or so we thought).
Then again, there are quite a few people that perceive their own Flame from
its origin - and that origin is like Abyssal Darkness to their perception.
This is no problem for people who are from cultures that know what that is.
But in the West, for instance, a Christian, Jew or Moslem or even a Wiccan
or Pagan might come to the conclusion that, "This must be Satan." What
happens next? They try to find out information about this Satan and run into
the very familiar monotheistic version of that - which doesn't fit what they
feel at all. They might get on the internet and do a search for "Satanism"
or "Satan" and, prior to SR's information being available, they'd run into
LaVeyan Satanism, which is public, or possibly run into the Temple of Set,
which does not make its information so public at all. They might run into
Atheistic organizations, but they don't feel like Atheists. They'd probably
find only organizations that are like those organizations and nothing else.
They may have joined some of these organizations and found a hierarchy in
them; they may have not been raised to any higher level of awareness when it
comes to inner-being at all, but dragged down instead. Now they can find us.
That was the intent. The information is there, whether one joins the SR or
not. It's there. Available.
However, in the time that this information has been available, we have found
that it is not only people into Satanism that have been helped by this
information at all.
What happens if the sincere Christian, who wishes to remain a Christian,
perceives the Logos as more Dark than Light? What is that Christian to do?
Feel bad about it? Before SR was around with information on this Darkness
and this Light, that is probably exactly what the Christian did - feel very
bad. The information we have is informative not only to people who wish to
get into "the Darkness," but it is informative to a great many people that
it never intended to be informative to - people who want to really know
about that Light. As one Christian said, "What said, 'Let there BE light'
must not have himself BEEN light!" This was a Christian, still a Christian,
that felt the acute presence of God while reading "The Darkness is One,"
when it spoke of the "Ray of Light flashing out" - i.e., the Logos - and
what that Ray of Light became.
That document, "Darkness is One," can be found at this url:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/dark-one.html
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17) If members can make their own covens or grottos for magickal workings,
how does that work in connection to the SR organization itself?
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Some Comrades already did this and these are listed in "SR Linked Orgs" now.
These are organizations with their own members in them, some of whom are not
members of the SR. It's up to these organizations to keep track of their own
membership and run their own organizations, covens, or grottos. If you make
a coven or group, you are solely responsible for it. One would expect the
group to engage in whatever magickal tradition they agree on. Hopefully,
they'd also work toward the Social Realism in the ten political statements.
SR Linked Orgs can be seen here:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/sr-orgs.html
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18) Can members make a magazine for the organization on their own?
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If you want to make a magazine and sell it, this is your own responsibility.
The Founders can and would notify all members that you are looking for
articles; but it's up to them to write them and hand them in. No one would
be told to do it. It's up to them. Basically and truly: Do As Thou Wilt!
There are standard monographs available for sale in the AD section at this
Url:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/dd-ad.html
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19) What if some members don't get along with other members or have
disagreements? Can they get kicked out for that? Do the founders step in?
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If you don't get along with another comrade, do not come to the founders
with complaints. We aren't your bosses or your parents. You are expected to
be mature, responsible adults. Deal with it yourself. The only suggestion
is: "agree to disagree and avoid each other."
If you have some personal disagreement with a founder, the same applies.
Agree to disagree. Don't think that because a founder thinks "XYZ" that
"XYZ" applies to the organization itself when the subject of disagreement is
outside of the confines of the organization.
We are all People's Commissars! We are COMRADES! That means that we all
agree on the 10 political points and work to attain them within our own
countries, since all countries are very different. It does not mean that we
will all like or love each other or get along, it does not mean that we
agree about religious or non-religious doctrines and beliefs. There
obviously will be ten points of agreement, since the people involved joined
the SR in the first place.
In an organization where there are no bosses and everyone is his or her own
boss, expect a variety of strong opinions. Expect debates, too. Do not flame
each other if you join the egroup. Discuss, state your point. Opinions on
the 10 things required for membership in the SR org would be in agreement.
However, situations in various countries would not be the same and might
result in interpretations of the 10 points other than your own.
If you engage in chatting on the egroup, where anything and everything gets
talked about and people get to know each other, don't complain if you don't
like another's posts. If you don't like them, don't read them or just
killfile them. Do not run to a founder about it. Pestering a founder about
such trivia might result in a comrade being asked to deal with it on his/her
own or leave.
If a member comes into the SR org with the agenda of trying to get the SR
Comrades on a crusade against another organization, they will be driven out
of SR.
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20) Are you against other Satanic organizations or any other organizations?
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We are not against any of the various Satanic organizations out there; if
they are Deistic in the sense that they see Satan as a dark force in Nature,
or Theistic where they see Satan as an actual being such as Lucifer or Set
or Mephistopheles, or strictly atheist with Left Hand Path tradition more
akin to martial arts, as long as they leave us be, do not harass or libel us
and don't advocate SRA-type nonsense or prove to be nothing but inversionist
anti-Christians. We are, however, against any satanic or other organization
out there that is against us or that engages in harassment or slander of us.
Our feelings on all Alternate Religion organizational squabbles are clearly
explained in the article Mastering Satanism. We know they have to stop and
we won't be part of it unless pushed into a corner where we have to make a
statement. Some of them have pushed! Notably, it was not Christians, Moslems
or Jews that did the pushing. "Mastering Satanism" can be found at this url:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/mast-sat.html
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21) Where can I read more about Left Hand Path Traditions on the web?
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You can read about these traditions on these pages.
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/art-dt.html
http://www.apodion.com/vad/
Left Hand Path from a more Wiccan perspective: Michelet Satanism and
Witchcraft:
http://home.wi.rr.com/lylythdotorg/
Some of the organizations listed on this page
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/sr-orgs.html
In addition, there is some material on the Left Hand Path on these pages
along with other very good information:
http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/666.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/rituals.html
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22) Where can I read more about Social Realism on the web?
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You can read about Social Realism on this page:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/art-sp.html
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23) Are there hard copy documents that elaborate on this further?
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Yes, we sell Dark Tradition Monographs as listed on these pages:
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/dd-ad.html
http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/god-ad-ddocs.html
http://www.apodion.com/vad/article.php?id=22&aid=212
http://www.satanshop.com/index.php?cat=Media&aisle=193
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