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Updated: 1999/11/04
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CONTENTS

    1.0  TANTRA, KAREZZA, SEX MAGIC, AND USENET
       1.1  What topics are fit for discussion in alt.magick.tantra?
       1.2  What topics should not be discussed in alt.magick.tantra?
       1.3  What distinguishes the newsgroup alt.magick.tantra from
             the newsgroup alt.religion.tantra?

    2.0  PHILOSOPHY AND HISTORY
       2.1  What is Tantra Yoga?
       2.2  Do you have to be a Hindu or a Buddhist to
             practice tantra yoga?
       2.3  Can a person with no religious affiliation practice
             tantra yoga?
       2.4  What is karezza?
       2.5  What is Taoist sex-alchemy?
       2.6  What is meant by "neo-tantra"?
       2.7  What is meant by references to "Western, non-religious
             tantra yoga"?
       2.8  What is sex magic / sex magick?
       2.9  Is a sex religion like tantra yoga the same as ceremonial
             or folkloric sex magic/k?

    3.0  TECHNIQUES
       3.1  What are the tantra yoga techniques that prolong
             intercourse?
       3.2  How do tantra techniques differ physically from karezza
             techniques?
       3.3  Are tantra yoga and karezza techniques the same as extended
             sexual orgasm (ESO)?
       3.4  Will refraining from orgasm harm one physically in any way?
       3.5  How can one interest one's partner in tantra or karezza?
       3.6  Can a solitary person practice tantra or karezza through
             masturbation? Can sex magicians work with masturbation?
       3.7  Do tantra teachers or sex magicians advocate any sort of
             "standard practice" religious ritual or physical
             techniques? If so, could you outline them?
           3.7.1  Yoni puja and linga puja
           3.7.2  Control of orgasm
           3.7.3  Avoidance of orgasm
           3.7.4  Passive copulation
           3.7.5  Eye-gazing
           3.7.6  Breath-control
           3.7.7  Circulation of subtle or aetheric energies
           3.7.8  Antinomianism
           3.7.9  Lifestyle
           3.7.10 Deity worship
           3.7.11 Meditation
           3.7.12 Use of asanas (postures) and mudras (hand gestures)
           3.7.13 Use of mantras (chants) and yantras (symbolic images)
       3.8  What are the goals (stated) and effects (stated and not)
             of tantra and karezza?
       3.9  Is it possible to learn tantra yoga or karezza without
             a guru or teacher?
       3.10  How can a gay practice tantra? Where is their kundalini?
              Isn't it the case that for tantric experiences and sex
              magic a male and a female are required?

    4.0  REFERENCE MATERIALS
       4.1  I would like to learn more about these subjects, but am
             extremely wary of "teachers" and especially so in this
             context. There are a lot of fakes out there.  Can you
             provide references that I can read to learn more?
       4.2  Is the Kama Sutra of any real significance to tantra
             yoga? It seems like an ancient marriage manual more
             than anything else.
       4.3  Are there tantra videos, courses, or seminars?

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1.0  TANTRA, KAREZZA, SEX MAGIC, AND USENET

1.1  What topics are fit for discussion in alt.magick.tantra?

       This newsgroup is for the discussion of tantra yoga,
       Taoist sexual alchemy, karezza, ceremonial sex-magick,
       sexual folk-magic, neo-tantra, the archaeology of
       neolithic and pagan sex-worship, the biological basis of
       sex-mysticism, Austin Osman Spare, T.O.P.Y., Paschal
       Beverly Randolph, Alice Bunker Stockham, human sexual
       anatomy as it relates to cosmological schemas and
       religious practices, Hermetic sex-magick, and related
       topics bound together by their common emphasis on
       sexuality, spirituality, religion, and magical practices.

       Remember when you post and read the newsgroup that while
       the specifics of Indian tantrism are of great interest to
       many of the people who post to alt.magick.tantra, they are
       of lesser or only general interest to others. Likewise, sex
       magic, sex-mysticism, and magical rituals including sex
       acts in the Asatru, Christian, Jewish, Gnostic, ceremonial
       magick, Thelemic, Hermetic, hoodoo, or neo-pagan traditions
       are of great interest to some readers in alt.magick.tantra,
       but of lesser or only general interest to others.

1.2  What topics should not be discussed in alt.magick.tantra?

       Flaming or disparaging others is never appropriate. In
       particular, the assumption that one's own path is the only
       "correct" way is offensive in a group as diverse as this.

       The fact is that people post here in search of some very
       non-tantric things, including bisexual tantric concubines
       (presumably. paid sex workers willing to supply a lesbian
       two-gal act in Hindu drag). Such antics are bound to upset
       or anger sincere religious tantrics in alt.magick.tantra,
       and may even tick off some of the non-tantric newsgroup
       participants who identify as sex magicians, karezzans, and
       students of sex-based folk magic.

       Advertisements for personal sexual services (e.g. massage
       or sexual surrogacy) are unwanted, although announcements
       of classes, courses, and new publications are acceptable.
       Sexual (im)personals are harshly frowned upon, although
       requests to meet other practitioners of in a given geographic
       region are fine. The line of demarcation between the former
       and the latter can be extrapolated from these fictional
       examples:

       :) OK:
              35 year old man, new to Boston, hoping to meet members
              of the local tantra yoga community. Please e-mail me
              if you are out there.

       :( NOT OK:
              35 year old single white male, good looking and
              well-endowed, in search of 25-30 year old blonde
              tantra goddess in the Boston area. E-mail replies
              only as I don't read the newsgroups. Send a picture
              with your reply.

        ;-( REALLY, *REALLY* NOT OK:
              Tantra - Yoga of Sex. Join our Tantric Club -
              a place for hot people who value and enjoy sex
              naturally. You will have an access to the best
              porno sight you have seen - with real couples! -
              and will have a great discounts on all our products.
              FREE to join and be a member. [URL deleted]

1.3  What distinguishes the newsgroup alt.magick.tantra from
             the newsgroup alt.religion.tantra?

       The creation of this newsgroup was a natural development to
       avoid the spamming of all usenet newsgroups with the keyword
       "sex" in their names that hit the net in 1996. Traditional
       tantrism, karezza, and various forms of sex magic(k) were
       being actively discussed in alt.magick.sex at the time; the
       name alt.magick.tantra was decided upon by a consensus of
       the members then posting to and reading alt.magick.sex.

       When alt.magick.tantra was created there was no usenet
       newsgroup extant for the study of tantrism as a religion and
       the creator of alt.magick.tantra (Josh Geller) did not seem
       to see a need to create such a group. When alt.religion.tantra
       finally was created -- in 1999 -- it filled a need for a more
       specialized venue where the specifically religious aspects of
       Indian tantrism could be discussed without reference to other
       forms of sex worship and sex magic throughout the world.

       The difference between alt.magick.tantra and alt.religion.tantra
       is one of content and approach:

       Alt.religion.tantra has as its sole objective the discussion of
       specifically Indian tantric religious practices.

       Alt.magick.tantra includes discussion of traditional tantra, as
       well as many other forms of direct sex-worship (e.g. veneration
       of the sexual organs or metaphorical constructions seen in their
       place) and other religious, mystical, and magical practices
       (e.g. contemplation of the absolute; homage, prayer, or service
       to a deity; invocation of powers, principalities, or spirits;
       etc.) in which sexuality or the sex act may form a part of a
       worship-service. In some cases posts deal with tantrism from
       the standpoint of comparative religion, treating it as one of
       many historical and pre-historic religious, mystical, magical,
       and/or philosophical systems in which sexuality is recognized
       as a prime factor.

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2.0  PHILOSOPHY AND HISTORY

2.1  What is tantra yoga?

       Tantra yoga is a general name for a confluence of mystical
       and religious systems developed in India over the past
       several centuries in reflection of certain traditional
       texts, called 'Tantras,' often attributed to divinities
       or mythological beings.

       Tantric systems maintain a variety of cosmological
       presuppositions, sometimes biological in metaphor (e.g.
       disks or wheels -- chakras -- of energy or 'prana' that may
       be found throughout the body and in particular along the
       spine), sometimes religious in character (e.g. the
       disciplines which attempt to influence the deities Siva
       and/or Sakti, thought to be resident to the human body).

       Typically yoga is an ascetic set of disciplines recommended
       by a historical or tutelary guru or instructor and is
       presumed to aid the practitioner in purificatory, conscious,
       or moral development.

       Tantra (sometimes "tantric") yoga in particular often
       includes a context of sexual symbolism, if not actual sexual
       activities, which are described as constituting this aid.
       Often there will also be an ultimate aim supposed (e.g.
       "moksha" or "liberation") which serves to bolster the
       practices based on a presumed cosmology (e.g. better
       rebirths or an escape from rebirth into the world).

       For a further historical description of some the varied
       traditions of Indian tantra yoga, see also

            http://www.hubcom.com/magee/tantra

       This site provides an overview of a variety of Tantras
       [texts], including many techniques and basic ideas. It
       also includes a bibliography that will point you toward
       more sources.

       Buddhist tantra yoga developed as an offshoot from Hindu
       tantra centuries ago. Some lineages of Chinese Buddhist tantra
       also incorporate concepts and practices from Taoist sexual
       alchemy. One contemporary teacher of Buddhist tantra yoga
       is Grand Master Lu, a Taiwanese-born monk working in the
       Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Some of his articles on
       contemporary tantric Buddhism are archived at these URLs

       Three Basic Homework Assignments for Tantric Practitioners:

         http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric/religion/buddhism/tibetan/thre
ehomeworks.txt

       Consort Practice:

         http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric/religion/buddhism/tibetan/cons
ortpractice.txt

2.2  Do you have to be Hindu or Buddhist to practice tantra yoga?

       Generally tantric yogis or yoginis are Hindu, and by this
       generalization we may presume that they accept a cosmology
       or have been assimilated by a culture which is Saivite,
       Saktiite, or, in some unusual cases, Vaisnavite. Some
       schools of Buddhism (but by no means all) endorse tantra
       yoga or tantric practices; this is especially true in
       Tibetan Buddhism. In addition, there are Taoists who
       incorporate tantra-like disciplines into their teachings,
       although they are not likely to use the term "tantra."
       It is assumed by most scholars that both the Buddhist
       and Taoist forms of tantra derived from Hindu sources
       centuries ago. However, with the popularization of books
       as sources of mystical disciplines, it is possible that
       some of the instructions provided by these cultures may be
       followed by interested people quite outside Hindu, Buddhist,
       or Taoist traditions.

       For a comparison between Hindu and Buddhist tantra yoga and
       the sexual mysticism of other cultures, see also

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tktantradefinition.html

2.3  Can a person with no religious affiliation practice tantra yoga?

       Tantra yoga is a Hindu and Buddhist religious practice. Even
       stripping away the Asian parts of it will not remove its
       essential religious nature. The loose use of the term tantra
       these days to signify any sex-positive, sex-mystical, sex-
       magical, or sex-religious discipline is deplorable. Tantra
       includes and often transcends sexuality; preparation for
       sexual tantra includes serious work that is not sexual in
       nature, and tantra practices are diverse and conflicting
       on this topic even in their native cultures.

       For further study of classical tantra yoga, see the newsgroup

            news:alt.religion.tantra

2.4  What is karezza?

       Karezza is a term derived from the Italian (meaning "caress")
       which is applied to Western religious or spiritual practices
       in which slow, mindful sexual union (or masturbation) creates
       a path to the experience of spiritual ecstasy. Some of these
       Western practices arose during the 19th century, apparently
       by spontaneous discovery  -- although one American
       popularizer of Western sacred sex, Alice Bunker Stockham, is
       known to have travelled to India to study Hindu tantra yoga.
       While karezza shares certain common sexual techniques with
       traditional Hindu tantra yoga, it fits conveniently into
       Christian, Jewish, or Transcendentalist conceptual
       frameworks, obviating the need for the practitioner to adopt
       a culturally "foreign" religion.

       George Washington Savory is the most outstanding example of a
       writer working in the Christian religion with essentially
       tantric ideas. His book "Hell on Earth Made Heaven, the
       Marriage Secrets of a Chicago Contractor" (1905) is a
       straightforward application of tantric techniques stripped
       of any relation to Hindu or Buddhist cosmology and applied
       instead to Christian cosmology. He did not refer to karezza
       by name in his writings, but his location in Chicago and the
       time period in which he wrote indicate that he was familiar
       with Alice Bunker Stockham, the Chicago doctor who coined
       the term "karezza" in the late 19th century.

       For a further historical description of karezza, see also

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tktantradefinition.html

2.5  What is Taoist sexual alchemy?

       Taoism is a Chinese philosophy and religion which
       has been influenced by Chinese animism and Buddhism.
       It integrates a polar and complementary symbolism and
       ambiguous scripture to mystical and semi-scientific
       ends (life-extension, enhancement of consciousness,
       the transmutation of matter). Its anarchistic and
       revolutionary elements are balanced by an arguably
       quietist approach to nature-worship.

       The alchemy of Taoism focusses largely upon extension
       of human life (especially in concocting the Pill of
       Immortality), and the methods which are used to create
       it sometimes include specifically sexual activities in
       order to prepare the one who will be ingesting the Pill
       or to inspire the creation of some internal condition for
       which the Pill is merely a metaphor.

       There are complex systems of physical and/or psychic
       developments described within Taoist alchemical texts,
       often purely through implication (called "shadow
       language"), but sometimes in terms that are unequivocally
       sexual. Such texts at times seem to make explicit references
       to copulation, though interpreters differ in their instruction
       as to how much the reader ought take literally and how
       much to understand as solely symbolical. Features such as
       inner furnaces and crucibles, mythical animals such as
       dragons and phoenixes, and living species like tigers and
       tortoises become references to internal and external mystical
       and sexual elements only decoded by those who have the proper
       keys.

2.6  What is meant by "neo-tantra"?

       "Neo-tantra" is a term coined recently to distinguish
       between traditional Asian tantra yoga and modern syncretic
       techniques for spiritual sexuality being taught in "workshops"
       and through periodicals and books in Europe and the
       Americas. Neo-tantra typically makes use of the
       traditional tantra yoga asanas (positions), breath
       control, and meditation, but it is taught outside the
       framework of Hindu culture and religion. It differs from
       karezza in that its emphasis is not so openly eclectic and
       mystical. Unique to neo-tantra is a modern or New Age
       tendency to include massage (so-called "tantric massage"),
       Reichian body-work (e.g. "bio-energetics"), and even
       counselling (e.g. "sexual healing") to the course of study.

       Some prominent neo-tantra teachers (all of whom,
       regrettably, claim they are teaching tantra yoga) are
       Lori Grace, Margo Anand, and the Muirs.

2.7  What is meant by references to "Western, non-religious tantra yoga"?

       "Western, non-religious tantra yoga" is an oxymoron. Tantra
       yoga is always Asian in origin and always religious in nature.

       The term "Western, non-religious tantra yoga" may be naively
       applied to the syncretic Western form of sex-mysticism that
       is more properly called neo-tantra (see above), but since
       even the most heterodox of neo-tantra teachers strive to
       preserve and transmit truly mystical and spiritual insights,
       clothed though they might be in New Age self-help paradigms,
       they cannot really be said to be "non-religious."

       Very often the label "Western, non-religious tantra yoga"
       is just a cover for what were previously called "swingers'
       parties" or "promiscuity." As such, this term capitalizes on
       the paltry education provided to modern adults regarding
       sexuality in order to sell itself as a mystical tradition.
       These posers call what they are doing "tantra" merely because
       it involves sexuality. Spiritual and religious elements are
       removed in favour of mostly sexual instruction. While there
       is nothing wrong with instruction on the techniques of
       sexuality, categorizing this as "tantra," "sex mysticism,"
       or "karezza" robs these important references of their deeper
       meanings.

2.8  What is sex magick / sex magic?

       Ceremonial sex magick (often spelled with a k) is the ritual
       utilization of sex -- or a context in which sexual energy is
       used -- to produce magical effects. It is often considered
       in a two-fold evaluative system divided into low magick (i.e.
       materialistic, sometimes selfish) and high magick (i.e.
      .mystical, spiritual, or religious) The energy from the sexual
       activity, which is sometimes supplemented with ritual
       incantation or imagery, either facilitates or is applied to
       the change desired, and often sexual effluvia are used within
       sigils, consecrations, or spells so constructed.

       Some prominent sex magicians of the 19th and 20th century were
       Paschal Beverly Randolph, Theodor Reuss, R. Swinburne Clymer,
       Austin Osman Spare, Aleister Crowley, and Kenneth Grant.

       For more information on the sex-magical theories taught by
       Paschal Beverly Randolph, see

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tkpbrandolph.html

       For those interested in the sex-magick of Austin Osman
       Spare, a web page of introductory material is at

          http://www.luckymojo.com/austinosmanspare.html

       In folkloric terms, sex magic (never spelled with a k) is any
       use of a charm, incantation, amulet, talisman, ritual, herb,
       sexual effluvia, oil, potion, sigil, sachet powder, incense,
       candle, and/or bath to obtain magical results in the sexual
       sphere. Typical results might be to obtain sexual desires
       (e.g. "love-drawing"), to stop another from enjoying
       complete sexual freedom (e.g. "hoodooing a man's nature"),
       or to control and dominate another through sexuality
       (e.g. by constructing a nation sack), increasing sexual
       vigour, attracting a new lover, aiding fertility and
       conception, or gaining a proposal of marriage

       Generally, practitioners of sexual folk magic seek to obtain
       results in the realms of sexuality and relationships, while
       those involved in ceremonial sex magick may have similar goals
       or may wish to use the energy of sex or its physical adjuncts
       (such as semen, menstrual fluid, or vaginal fluid) to achieve
       other goals, including money-drawing, improved health,
       casting curses, contact with discarnate entities or spirits
       (e.g. the dead, angels, demons, and deities), mental telepathy,
       psychic visions, and so forth.

       For practical lessons in folkloric sex magic, see

       Introduction to African-American folk magic (hoodoo) at

            http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html

       Folkloric love spells and love-charms at

            http://www.luckymojo.com/lovespells.html

       Assorted folkloric and ceremonial magick love spells at

            http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/fukspls.html

       How to make and use a nation sack at

            http://www.luckymojo.com/mojo.html

       Hoodoo spells of female domination at

            http://www.luckymojo.com/femaledomination.html

2.9  Is a sex religion like tantra yoga the same as ceremonial sex
     magick or folkloric sex magic?

       Ceremonial magick is a Hermetic enterprise which assimilates
       what it can from a number of global mystical disciplines as
       it is able to apprehend them. Tantra yoga has preceded
       ceremonial sex magick (of various types) by centuries, but it
       is often re-interpreted within the Hermetic framework to add
       mystery and draw membership. It is often engaged by individuals
       who are members of an occult group and often presumes the
       "expertise" or "power" of physical (rather than merely symbolic)
       sexuality as a part of the ritual.

       Folkloric sex magic has roots that go back to the neolithic
       period. Insofar as tantra yoga is thought to derive from a
       prehistoric form of goddess-worship, it shares some imagery
       and beliefs with folk magic, such as the notion that there
       are special magical consequences attendant upon contact
       with menstrual blood or other sexual effluvia. However, the
       distinguishing characteristics of yoga -- body postures,
       breath control, and meditation -- are generally absent in
       folk-magic. Folkloric sex magic is most often embarked upon by
       solitary practitioners or by professionals (e.g. a root worker)
       on behalf of a client. It often presumes the efficacy of an
       object (herb, mineral, charm) or an incantation (spell or
       prayer) in the manipulation of sexuality.

       Tantra yoga is usually undertaken with the guidance of a guru
       in a religious group and often presumes the "inferiority" of
       practice which includes mere sexuality. It generally involves
       a great many supplementary beliefs about cosmology and the
       nature of divinity that go far beyond magical workings.

       Hindu tantrics seem to regard magic per se as a byproduct
       of mystical endeavour, rather than something which infuses
       the accomplishment of mystical disciplines. This premise
       is at odds with how a variety of Western occultists (e.g.
       Aleister Crowley) have portrayed their mystical systems --
       Crowley, for instance, placed yoga as a *precursor* to
       his sex-magical practice.

       For further comparison between sex magic and spiritual sexual
       practices see also

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tksexmagic.html

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3.0  TECHNIQUES

3.1  What are the tantra yoga techniques that prolong intercourse?

       Traditional tantra yoga techniques include visualization,
       selection of certain positions, breath control, various forms
       of manual pressure on the genitals, and muscle relaxation.

       More remains to be written, but for now, see

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tknorthaustin.html

3.2  How do tantra techniques differ physically from karezza techniques?

       Tantra yoga places more emphasis on visualization, asanas
       (body positions), and breath control than karezza does. In
       addition, each tantric school's style is relatively fixed
       and even dogmatic, whereas karezza is eclectic.

       More remains to be written, but for now, see

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tktantradefinition.html
       and
            http://www.luckymojo.com/tktechniques.html

3.3  Are tantra yoga and karezza techniques the same as extended
     sexual orgasm (ESO)?

       Some of the physical techniques are the same, but ESO and other
       so-called "sex-positive" teachings do not contain a mystical or
       magical component. Interestingly enough, however, people who
       learn the techniques of ESO often report "spontaneous" mystical
       experiences. A theoretical model explaining the biological
       basis of this phenomenon can be found at

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tkbiologicalbasis.html

3.4  Will refraining from orgasm harm one physically in any way?

       Apparently not, but overemphasis on avoidance of orgasm may
       lead to a special form of "performance anxiety" or to some
       temporary physical discomfort, especially in men.

       In the practice of sex magic(k), orgasm is often the focal
       point of the ceremony or spell, and its resultant products
       (e.g. mingled sexual fluids) may be ritually consumed,
       offered to a deity, or used to create a sigil or talisman.
       Such mingling requires that both parties be free of
       sexually transmitted diseases, for these can be more
       harmful in the long run than refusal to have an orgasm!

3.5  How can one interest one's partner in tantra or karezza?

       That would of course depend on the type of person one's
       partner happens to be. Those who are open to sexuality and
       mysticism are more likely to be persuaded to study or
       experiment, and, personal tastes being what they are, the
       presentation, style, or education of instructors may or may
       not conform to one's partner's tastes or ethics.

       A good place to start is by sounding out in discussion what
       the partner's interests and possible limitations might be in
       the investigation of sexual mysticism. If sexuality turns them
       off, then more ascetic and symbolic disciplines may become
       valuable introductions to the subject matter. If mysticism
       brings goose-bumps, then framing the enterprise as an
       exploration and study of consciousness (and the outer limits
       of ecstasy) may prove to be more palatable.

       The important thing is not to push too strongly or put such an
       emphasis on the study of the subject that it becomes tantamount
       to an unintentional ultimatum. Sometimes talking about matters
       of intimacy is much more frightening than actually *exploring*
       them, and with the right level of patience, understanding, and
       flexibility, combined with a sincere desire to make it the
       project of a *combined* effort, any obstacles may be overcome.

3.6  Can a solitary person practice tantra or karezza through
     masturbation? Can sex magicians work with masturbation?

       To "practice tantra" is not the sole privilege of the
       partnered or polyamorous. First, the wide range of
       descriptions for the practice and its goals allow a variety
       of possible objectives, and second, the exploration one
       does on one's own easily becomes invaluable groundwork for
       what one does with any future lovers.

       Although some tantric gurus forbid the practice, many
       neo-tantrics find the ritualization of masturbation to be
       liberating, some integrate it into their devotionals
       (fucking their god, for example, or dedicating their
       pleasure to a deity as an offering), some explore the
       parameters of their sexual excitation and arousal cycles,
       and others try to integrate an attitude toward themselves
       and their aesthetic relish that has the propensity to lead
       to very important life-transformation.

       Masturbation serves in a two-fold manner as an effective
       neo-tantric practice. It combines, especially within a
       puritanical culture, the violation of the cultural
       dissuasion against self-pleasure with an ecstatic
       experience that can develop mystical results.

       Sex magicians are somewhat divided on the subject of
       whether masturbation is an efficacious method of working.

       Generally speaking, folk magicians have long used
       masturbation as a technique to produce sexual fluids
       needed in spell-casting. For instance, in African-
       American hoodoo, it is common for a single person
       to dress a lodestone with his or her sexual fluids
       as part of a spell to attract a lover. Such an act
       is masturbatory in nature, and is considered perfectly
       good work.

       Some 19th century hermetic and ceremonial sex magicians
       (e.g. Paschal Beverly Randolph) decried both masturbation
       and coitus reservatus as "unnatural." Possibly they were
       under the influence of then-current negative attitudes
       toward masturbation, but be that as it may, their stated
       objections were usually that masturbation did not fulfill
       the alchemical, magnetic-electrical, or other dyadic
       premises underlying their sex magical theories.

       Most progressive 20th century ceremonial sex magicians find
       uses for masturbation as a technique. However, even among
       those most accepting of sexual variety, some demote
       masturbation in favour of other, preferred practices (e.g.
       the sex magician Aleister Crowley, who advocated anal sex
       leading to the consumption of mingled excrement, blood, and
       semen).

3.7  Do tantra teachers or sex magicians advocate any sort of
     "standard practice" religious ritual or physical techniques?
     If so, could you outline them?

       There are no universal standards for ritual work in tantra
       yoga. However, the following techniques for inducing ecstasy
       are used by many teachers in tantric, neo-tantric, and
       non-tantric schools of sex-worship and sex-mysticism:

  3.7.1  Yoni puja and linga puja
           Worship of the generative organs is found in many
           schools of tantra yoga. This can take the form of
           presenting offerings of flowers and/or food to the sex
           organs of a living man or woman, to a statue of a deity,
           or to a simple effigy that symbolizes the yoni (vulva)
           or lingam (penis). In karezza, such worship is modified
           and subdued, but is found in the form of offerings of
           flowers, poetry, and other tokens of affection to the
           lover. In neo-tantra, meditative sexual massage is
           sometimes seen as a form of puja.

  3.7.2  Control of orgasm
           Volitional control of the male orgasm is taught in all
           branches of tantra yoga as well as in some tantra-like
           practices of non-Asian cultures, such as karezza and
           neo-tantra. Karezza writers also advocate volitional
           control of the female orgasm.

  3.7.3  Avoidance of orgasm
           Male avoidance of orgasm is central to certain branches
           of tantra yoga as well as some tantra-like practices of
           non-Asian cultures, such as "male continence." Karezza
           teachers recommend avoidance of both male AND female
           orgasm except at specific times (e.g. when the woman
           is menstruating or when the couple wishes to conceive).
           The degree of emphasis placed on orgasmic avoidance
           varies from teacher to teacher. In some radical Indian
           lineages of tantra yoga, irreversible genital mutilation
           of the male has been practiced to ensure the complete
           impossibility of ejaculation. On the other hand, it
           should be noted that there are sexual mystics, such as
           the spiritualist sex magician Paschal Beverly Randolph,
           who believe that avoidance of orgasm is a metaphysically
           dangerous and possibly demonic enterprise and argue
           strongly aginst it as "unnatural."

  3.7.4  Passive copulation
           By this is meant very slow, mindful penis-in-vagina
           intercourse. Depending on the school of tantra and the
           individual preferences of the partners, this may involve
           no movement by either party, minimal movement by both
           parties, or no movement on the part of the man but some
           on the part of the woman. Passive copulation can be
           undertaken in any number of positions. One classic is
           the Hindu and Tibetan pose in which the woman sits in
           the man's lap, commonly known by its Tibetan name,
           "yab-yum" (which means "father-mother"). Among those
           who practice karezza, more conventional Western sexual
           positions such as lying side-by-side or woman-on-top
           are preferred for passive copulation because they
           require less effort and training. Taoist sexual alchemy
           texts advocate the woman-on-top position.

  3.7.5  Eye-gazing
           This is recommended in most schools of tantra yoga and
           also by those who practice karezza. This is a form of
           meditation in which the partners simply look into each
           other's eyes for long periods of time.  This may be done
           during passive copulation or during more active
           intercourse.

  3.7.6  Breath-control
           Some form of this is common to all branches of tantra
           yoga, as it is part of the yoga substrate from which
           tantra yoga grew. Different breathing patterns are
           recommended by teachers in different schools of tantra
           yoga. Some of these involve hyperventilation, holding
           the breath, and other counter-natural patterns of
           inspiration. In karezza, synchronized slow breathing is
           deemed sufficient breath-control. Taoist sexual alchemy,
           in keeping with the Chinese interest in mystical numbering,
           goes so far as to prescribe batteries of counted breathing
           rhythms performed in conjunction with pelvic thrusts (e.g.
           81 thrusts). In any form, breath control helps the
           participants key into the neurological basis of orgasm
           control. Synchronized breathing also helps the partners
           align their peaks and valleys of sexual arousal and
           spiritual bliss.

  3.7.7  Circulation of subtle or aetheric energies
           This is spoken of in almost every branch of sex-magic
           and sex-religion. In some schools of tantra yoga, the
           ascent of subtle energies up the spine and through a
           series of energy points on the body (chakras) is
           envisioned and experienced -- especially by those whose
           teaching style is heavily influenced by kundalini yoga.
           As applied to tantra yoga, this kundalini-influenced
           vision of sexual union presents the energy as rising
           upward around each person's spine in twin currents (ida
           and pingala) surrounding a central core (sushumna), then
           joining at the top (crown chakra), and joining in union
           with the kundalini in the partner's crown chakra. Western
           sex religionists and sex-magicians also refer to such
           subtle energies, but they are envisioned in different ways.
           The 19th century writer Paschal Beverly Randolph presented
           an elaborate electro-magnetic and gender-specific model
           for the exchange of energy between two people who were
           engaged in frontal-contact coition. The early 20th century
           writer George Washington Savory experienced deep spiritual
           bliss and union with the divine from the aetheric energies
           he received when nursing at his wife's breast; she in turn
           described the nurturing and healing energy embodied in his
           semen. Followers of the 20th century psychologist Wilhelm
           Reich perceive the flow of "orgone" energy aroused during
           sexual contact "streaming" up the frontal surface of the
           body. Taoist sexual alchemists describe the "circulation
           of chi" (vital energy) in the body at different stages of
           arousal, culminating with the upward passage of chi along
           the "meridian" system, through "gates" and into the head.
           Direct experience leads many practitioners of most forms
           of Western sacred sex to describe a state in which their
           bodies seem to physically merge, blend, or become one with
           each other, with a free flow of energetic sensation shared
           between their central cores.

  3.7.8  Antinomianism
           Some schools of tantra yoga encourage antinomianism
           (breaking of cultural taboos, e.g. against eating
           certain foods or against having sex with people of
           certain social or familial rank). Karezzans do not
           encourage antinomianism. Among sex magicians, opinions
           are divided. Paschal Beverly Randolph was a fierce
           proponent of monogamy and intoxication with hashish
           (then legal!); Aleister Crowley advocated "orgies"
           of illegal drug use, and engaged in such taboo-
           breaking "magical" acts as self-cutting with razor
           blades, the eating of excrement, and defecation on a
           friend's carpet after a private display of homosexual
           sodomy.

  3.7.9  Lifestyle
           Some schools of tantra yoga and Western sex-mysticism
           encourage sexual promiscuity, while others insist on
           sexual monogamy or even (hard though this may be to
           comprehend) celibacy. The question of whether one
           should live as a "householder" in society or remove
           oneself to a monastery (ashram), or take up the path
           of a wandering renunciate (sadhu) is also endlessly
           debatable within the many schools of tantrism.

  3.7.10 Deity worship
           Some branches of tantra yoga and tantra-like sexual-
           spiritual practices of non-Hindu cultures involve the
           devotee in the worship of a sexualized goddess or god
           (e.g. Siva and/or Shakti as Durga, Parvati, Kali et al);
           some take this farther and ask that the devotee worship
           the sexual partner as a living incarnation of a sexualized
           goddess or god; others subsume the practice of spiritual
           sexuality under the worship of a deity who is not
           sexualized. Taoist sexual alchemy does not decree the
           worship of a sexualized deity, although the lover is
           identified with a mythological figure (the Green Dragon,
           if male, and the White Tiger if female). Karezzans
           presume that one will experience religio-sexual-mystical
           bliss, but may frame this in terms of the individual's
           ascent to "heaven" or "celestial realms," or may seek to
           dedicate the resultant ecstasy to the deity-of-choice
           (e.g. Jesus Christ).

  3.7.11 Meditation
           Some schools of Hindu and most schools of Buddhist
           tantra yoga advocate meditation. The form this takes
           varies by the base-religion that underlies the tantric
           practices. Hindus tend toward visual meditation (e.g.
           on a "yantra" or geometric diagram symbolizing sakti
           {female energy} or on the figure and form of the
           deity-of-choice (e.g. Kali, Siva, etc.) and sonic
           meditation (e.g. on the sound "om"). Tantric Buddhist
           meditation is as varied as the many schools of Buddhism
           themselves. Taoist sexual alchemy mentions meditation
           rarely; usually in later texts that have been
           influenced by Hinduism. Karezzans treat little of
           meditation in the Asian sense, describing it in
           Transcendentalist terms, which correspond to what
           some Asians call "contemplation."

  3.7.12 Use of asanas (postures) and mudras (hand gestures)
           Most teachers of Hindu and Buddhist tantra, as well as some
           neo-tantra teachers, tell students that tantra yoga is
           facilitated by the use of certain asanas (bodily postures)
           while engaging in intercourse. They may also advocate the
           use of special mudras (ritual hand gestures) while in
           coition or as part of yoni puja or linga puja. To many
           Westerners, the asanas seem odd or forced, but when one
           understands that they grow out of the ancient tradition
           of hatha yoga, in which the ability to attain and maintain
           difficult body postures is part of a regimen of ascetic
           disciplines, their application to in a sexual context
           is more clearly understood. Likewise, the mudras assume
           two contexts in light of Indian culture: they are gestures
           made by the deities (and have hagiographic import in the
           identification of deities in religious art) and they are
           also gestures the devotee can make as part of a service
           to a particular god or goddess. For an -- unfortunately
           uncredited -- adaptation of a chapter from an undated
           tantric text called Vamakeshvaratantra, describing
           the use of the major Hindu tantric mudras, see

                http://www.crl.com/~tzimon/Workings/mudra.html

  3.7.13 Use of mantras (chants) and yantras (symbolic images)
           Tantra yoga is not alone among the various types of Indian
           religion in its use of mantras (chants) and yantras
           (symbolic images) to aid meditation or self-realization,
           nor are such aids found exclusively in Asian religions.
           Repetitious prayer and the focus of vision upon sacred
           images is a world-wide phenomenon, and it is not restricted
           to religions in which there is a sexual component. All
           that aside, the characteristic mantras to deities such as
           Siva and Kali are considered highly useful to the tantric
           devotees of those entities, as are such symbolic images
           and representations as the downward pointing triangle and
           numerous elaborate variations of interlocked triangles.
           For the non-Hindu practitioner of a sex-based mystical
           system, other prayers and symbols may be of greater use;
           the disciples of Austin Osman Spare, for example, focus on
           a form of self-encrypted writing called sigilization
           during sex-magical rites.

3.8  What are the goals (stated) and effects (stated and not) of
     tantra and karezza?

       The stated goals vary by the branch of tantra or tantra-like
       sexual-spiritual practices of non-Hindu cultures one is
       considering. They range from literal union with the godhead
       to enjoying sex more, with plenty of stops along the way for
       intermediate goals. A good middle ground may be to
       experience spiritual bliss through sexual pleasure, to
       witness the incarnation of deity in one's lover, and to
       experience union with that divine incarnation on all the
       levels of visual, emotional, mental, physical, and
       spiritual existence which one can perceive.

3.9  Is it possible to learn tantra yoga or karezza without
      a guru or teacher?

       Some teachers of tantra yoga insist that a guru
       must initiate one into tantra. Most authorities
       within Hindu tantric communities caution that
       guidance is extremely important and that getting
       disciplines out of (possibly erroneous) texts may
       be hazardous to those who are not properly
       prepared.

       On the other hand, karezza promotes learning from
       observation of one's partner -- a mutual
       initiation, as it were.

       Many people report that they have received a
       "transmission" or "revelation" about sacred sex
       through conversation, or by reading old books,
       usenet posts, or pages on the world wide web.

3.10  How can a gay person practice tantra? Where is their kundalini?
      Isn't it the case that for tantric experiences and sex magic
      a male and a female are required?

       Gay people can and do practice tantra yoga.

       In the first place, kundalini energy is not a requisite
       theoretical part of the composite and diverse systems of
       Hindu and Buddhist tantra. (See section 3.7.7 of this FAQ)

       In the second place, even among those tantrikas who use the
       kundalini model of energy flow, kundalini's rising energy
       currents are conceived as being the same in homosexuals,
       bisexuals, heterosexuals, celibates, intersexes, and eunuchs.

       Finally, the history of Hindu tantra yoga ritual artwork
       contains many graphic examples of the ritualization of male
       castration (severing of both the testicles and penis) as part
       of an extreme devotionary act dedicated to Shakti in her
       wrathful form of Kali. Ritual castration is not condoned by
       the Indian government at the present time, but insofar as it
       was admired, advocated, and institutionalized by certain
       (minority) tantric gurus and their students in the past, it
       is evident that a male practitioner's sexual orientation
       and/or his capacity to function as a vaginal penetrant are
       NOT relevant to his acceptance into certain schools of
       tantra yoga. This information is not presented with the aim
       of equating homosexuals with castrati, merely to indicate
       that the penis-in-vagina coupling of heterosexual male and
       female bodies is not central to all schools of tantric
       teaching. (Ritual castration, by the way, was not limited to
       Indian religious practice: male members of the Near Eastern
       cult of Cybele also offered their genitals to their goddess;
       likewise, ritual male castration made inroads into early
       Christianity, although it was condemned as excessive during
       the late Middle Ages.)

       In folk magic, there is no barrier to any kind of homosexual
       magical working. For instance, a spell formula such as
       "Follow Me Boy" can be used interchangeably by heterosexual
       women and gay men to attract a male lover.

       Among hermetic and ceremonial sex magicians, opinions about
       homosexuality are sharply divided. One famous bi-sexual
       sex magician, Aleister Crowley, went so far as to declare
       that homosexual rites were in many ways superior to
       heterosexual workings, but he also claimed that lesbian
       couples were incapable of sex magick at all, due to their
       inability to produce sperm, which he believed was an
       essential ingredient in the work.

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4.0  REFERENCE MATERIALS

4.1  I would like to learn more about these subjects, but am
     extremely wary of "teachers" and especially so in this
     context. There are a lot of fakes out there.  Can you
     provide references that I can read to learn more?

       Self-teaching or mutual teaching with a partner is
       definitely acceptable in the realm of Western sex-
       mysticism and neo-tantra, even that which is very
       closely modelled on traditional Indian and Tibetan
       tantra yoga.  Because the opportunities for sex-abuse
       must be considered, we do not recommend that you take
       any class from a teacher without a thorough
       investigation of his or her reputation,

       Generally, in the newsgroup, the single book most often
       recommended to beginners who ask for a text on tantra is

          "Tantra: the Cult of the Feminine" by Andre Von Lysbeth.

       This book contains a basic historic and cultural
       introduction to Indian culture, Hindu tantra yoga,
       Saktiism, and karezza, with pragmatic explanations of
       how to perform the mystical, yogic, and sexual practices
       recommended by a variety of ancient and contemporary
       schools of tantra yoga, Western sex-mysticism, and
       neo-tantra.

       For those who ask about Taoist sex alchemy, the book most
       often recommended in the newsgroup is

          "The Art of the Bedchamber" edited by Douglas Wile.

       This consists of English translations of the 22 extant
       Chinese texts on the subject, with detailed cultural,
       historic, and linguistic commentaries by the editor.

       An often-recommended book about Hermetic and ceremonial
       sex-magick is

          "Modern Sex Magick" by Donald Michael Kraig.

       This presents, among other things, a basic overview of the
       ritual sex magick of Aleister Crowley and his associates.

       A further short list of texts will be appended if people
       contribute. For now, see the lengthy bibliography at

          http://www.luckymojo.com/tkbibliocontents.html

4.2  Is the Kama Sutra of any real significance to tantra yoga?
     It seems like an ancient marriage manual more than anything else.

       The Kama Sutra is an ancient marriage manual. It reads
       like an old-fashioned sexual self-help book. It is highly
       coloured by local cultural beliefs, too, regarding the
       status of women, of marriage as an institution, and even of
       children and pets. We consider it more of a curiosity than
       anything else -- and we consider 19th and 20th century
       interest in it a significator of Western culture's
       fascination with "exotic" (i.e. foreign culture) sex. The
       Kama Sutra is no more or less about sexual metaphysics or
       sexual spirituality than a standard American "how-to-fuck"
       book would be.

4.3  Are there tantra videos, courses, or seminars?

       Most materials currently available on video or taught in
       workshops and courses are more properly considered to be
       neo-tantra, not tantra yoga.

       A short list of available materials will be appended here
       if people contribute. For now, see the link-list at

            http://www.luckymojo.com/tkwebsites.html

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       Contributors:
            catherine yronwode ([email protected])
            tyagi nagasiva     ([email protected])
            Matt Atkins        ([email protected])
            Shava Nerad        ([email protected])
            Tzimon Yliaster    ([email protected])

       Editors:
            tyagi nagasiva     ([email protected])
            catherine yronwode ([email protected])

       Modifications to this FAQ, as well as new questions
       and answers, should be discussed in alt.magick.tantra
       rather than via private e-mail.

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               and Matt Atkins; reproduction for profit or for
               non-electronic distribution prohibited without the
               express permission of the copyright holders.

       Editors:
            tyagi nagasiva     ([email protected])
            catherine yronwode ([email protected])

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