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alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a
problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience,
Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep
them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information
for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any
organization, nor does it speak for any organization.

You may want to also try one or more of these email lists:

[email protected]. Very active.  To subscribe, send
message to [email protected]: Subscribe Decluttr Your
Name. Put this in the body of the message (the Listserv software
ignores subject headings), and don't put anything else in the message
(this includes your signature). Note: "Decluttr" with one e.

A couple of quieter web-based mailing lists at the Messies Home on the
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3337. (Or go to
http://ww.onelist.com.) One with a Christian emphasis, one general.

[email protected] (not affiliated with Clutterers
Anonymous) Send any message to
[email protected]

[email protected] (not affiliated with Messies Anonymous)
Send any message to [email protected]

H/C (Hoarding/Clutter) Contact Paula Kotakis - [email protected].  For
"Hoarders and/or Clutterers with OCD [Obsessive Compulsive Disorder],
a basic knowledge of CBT and a strong desire to improve their living
spaces"

Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or
use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity.
It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in
some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged
into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps
of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved
February 1996.

Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted,
get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people
into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax
authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on
time, is a real problem.

Q: Does cluttering go together with ___?  A:  Clutterers are more
likely to have one of these: clinical depression, Attention Deficit
Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.  But none of these
invariably goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't
invariably go together with any of them.

Organizations for clutterers

If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you
think should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's
experiences with groups.

Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the
meeting is still at the time and place given.

Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization is at PO Box 25884,
Santa Ana, CA 92799-5884. For information, send a long first class
self-addressed envelope with twice the minimum first-class postage.
(Nothing said about writing from outside the US for information. You
should be able to use International Reply Coupons, but I don't know
how many would be needed. My guess is 2 from Canada or Mexico, 4 from
elsewhere.)

Note: Phone numbers given only for CLA meetings which have okayed
having them on the Net.

California:
Los Angeles.  Tuesday, 12:15-1 pm, City Hall East Rm. 1330, 200 N.
Main St.
North Hollywood.  Tuesday, 7:30-9 pm.  Temple Beth Hillel Rm. M16,
12326 Riverside Dr.
Orange. Saturday, 4:30-6 pm. Mariposa Women's Ctr., 812 Town and
Country Rd.
Orange. Thursday, 6-7:15 pm. Mariposa Women's Ctr., 812 Town and
Country Rd.
Altadena, Tuesday, 7:30-9 pm. St. Elizabeth Church, 1849 N. Lake Ave.,
2nd Fl, Parish Ctr.
San Diego. Saturday, 8-9:30 pm. J.Beers Uptown Comm. Ctr., Vermont at
Vermont Way Simi Valley.
Wednesday, 7:30-9 pm, Simi Valley Presbyterian Church, 4832 Cochran,
room 210.
South Bay. Thursday, 7-8:30 pm, Margaret Mary Church, Conference Rm. B
25511 Eshelman, Lomita.
South Bay. Friday, 9:15-10:45 am, Margaret Mary Church, Conference Rm.
B, 25511 Eshelman, Lomita.
West Los Angeles. Sunday. 1-2 pm. Palms Park, 2950 Overland Ave.
West Los Angeles. Monday. 6:30-7:30 pm. Felicia Mahood Sen. Ctr., Room
3, 11338 Santa Monica Blvd.
West Los Angeles. Co-ed self study.  Friday, 7:30-9 pm.  SHARE Ctr,
Tranquility Rm. 5521 Grosvenor
District of Columbia (Washington): Friday. 7:30-8:30 pm. St. Albans
Episc. Church, Room 203, Wisconsin & Massachusetts NW.
Massachusetts:
Beverly. Tuesday. 7:1530 (sic) -8:30 pm. Beverly Hospital, Herrick
St., Doctor's Dining Room
Michigan:
Southfield. Thursday, 8:30-10 pm. Peace Lutheran Church, 17029 W. 13
Mile Rd.
Minnesota:
Roseville, 1st & 3rd Saturdays, 10 AM, Patsy, 651-644-1139, St.
Christopher's Church, room 128, 2300 Hamline Ave. (Hwy. 36 & Hamline)
St. Louis Park, Second Saturday 12:15-1:15. Patsy, 651-644-1139,
Prince of Peace Lutheran Church, 8115 Highway 7, Hwy 7 & Texas Ave.,
across from Knollwood Mall.
New Jersey:
East Orange Monday 7:30 pm-9:00 pm 439 Main Street, Second Floor, next
to Domino's
River Edge Wednesday 7:30 pm-9:00 pm Temple Sholom, 385 Howland Ave
Union Monday 7:30 pm-8:30 pm Battle Hill Moravian Church, 777 Liberty
Ave
Washington:
Seattle Monday 10 am St. Paul's, 6512 - 12th Ave NW  Ruth 763-8398

Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY
Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet:
[email protected]. Website: http://www.messies.com [Note:  This is
definitely outdated, except where a meeting has sent me information
directly.  Call first!]

CT: Farmington, Janibeth, (860) 232-3838
   Greenwich, Judy, (203) 637-7509
   New Haven, Le 203-483-0355
FL: Ft. Lauderdale, Karen, (954) 970-1429
   Miami, Maxine, (305) 522-1976
MI: Muskegon, Kathleen, (616) 744-9209
   Muskegon, Kathy, (616) 744-9209 (!?!)
NJ: Lindenwold, Sharon, (908) 566-9146
   Palmyra, Basia, (609) 829-9596
NY: Forest Hills, Marie, (718) 746-4713
OR: Portland, Carla, (503) 775-2606
OR: Portland, Lee, (503) 235-3977
TX: Dallas, Texas Messies Anonymous.  Meetings are the 2nd and 4th
Mondays of the month.  Meeting place: Highland Park Presbyterian
Church 3821 University Blvd. Dallas, Texas.  Room H110 7:00-8:30 pm.
Contact: Jane K. at (214) 368-7205 or Dorothy P. at 972-495-1950
Dorothy P. email: [email protected]
In addition to our 2nd and 4th Monday evening meetings we are pleased
to announce that beginning Monday, August 16, 1999 meetings will also
be held on the 1st and 3rd Mondays at NOON.  Same place, same room.
WA: Aberdeen, Evelyn, (360) 533-1813
Greater Seattle Area: [I'm told the contact number is disconnected.]
"We have an active MA group here (the Greater Seattle area)..... Our
meetings are the 1st and 3rd Tues of the month. Our contact phone
number is: [Sue at] 206-824-2728."
WI: Brown Deer, Jeanne, (414) 354-3577
   Eau Claire, Dixie, (715) 834-7763

"If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city
and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have
asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person
who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive
as much information and support as you might need if you want to start
your own group." Bonnie Rice
Change: You can now ask from the website.

Passed on by Lori Burkart
'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San
Francisco and meets twice a month (2nd and 4th Mondays, 3-4 p.m.)

'The flyer reads:
"For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help,
the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group
presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group"

'"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997:
2nd Mondays ....
4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.)

'"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due
to Hoarding problems]"'

alt.recovery.clutter
(BRADFORDMC)
Sun Jan 18 1998

"I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and
attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel. Due to parking
restrictions and space considerations in that area the plan for the
2nd Monday in February is to meet @ the Canon Kip location, 705
Natoma@8th Street (S.F.) I find the support mutual and encouraging. I
encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am
interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay.
One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision
problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home.
Anyone else interested?"

Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley --
someone who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet
informally. Call Zola at (612) 921-4917.

Useful Books, etc.

Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good
Housekeeping
THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering
Catastrophic Living.
MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES
Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS
Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I
Clean the Moosehead?
Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life
Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen
(Warner 1983)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985)
Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993).
(....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or
Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se).
The sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is:
Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc.
P. O. Box 5364
Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091
http//www.shesintouch.com
"Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield.
(Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at
10.99US, 15.99CAN, 7.99UK).
"Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper
Collins Publishers, 1998.  ISBN 0-06-095265-2.

Wed, 25 Feb 1998
MRS BONNIE J RICE <[email protected]>
Home Organization Booklist Online

Dan, It's official, I've moved my website to
http://getolife.hypermart.net and am hoping to provide more
interactivity with the new site. I'm working on making the site more
helpful. Any ideas would be appreciated.

I just finished reorganizing my home organization book list into
categories instead of by author. If you are looking for the perfect
book on meal-planning or paper handling or clutter control, you can
actually go to that section of the list. Many of the books can be
ordered through Amazon directly from the list and some of the authors
have websites of their own that are linked to the list.
http://getolife.hypermart.net/booklist.html

[2/99]  ... anyone who has taken the home organization class and wants
to join a support community on excite (you need to join excite which
might be a hassle to some) please let me know and I'll send you an
invitation that will get you in. It's a closed community so we won't
have spam or other inappropriate things there.

Fri, 23 Jan 1998
ttista
cleaning tools

I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get
his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo.
really.

He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products.

[new: http://www.cleanreport.com/]

Fri, 27 Feb 1998
Stella Sloop
SHE Online...

For those of you who have been wondering what in the world the SHE
Online thing is all about, and for those who may have been too late to
take advantage of it this past time, here's hope:

from the Get O message board of AOL

Re: March Is Clean Sweep Month!
(Get O CEO)
27 Feb 1998

'Kim asks if the Delphi service (new home of SHE's Online and 21 Days
to SHE) is another service like AOL.

'Kim, yes and no. Yes, you can get Internet access through Delphi.
No, it's not necessary to have a paid account to visit Custom Forum
222, the Get Organized Board, on the World Wide Web:
http://www.delphi.com/mc When it asks "Go to Forum by Number", type in
222.

'All you do is sign up for a FREE membership at the log in page.
Don't worry, you can't miss it. Pick a username and a password. and
you're up and running.

'In format, Delphi is pretty nice. Messages are threaded, and easy to
read and to post. There's no length limitation like the Slob Sisters
Online message board. And since blessed Delphi permits me to retain
copyright, it's JUST the place to post the 21 Days essays--don't miss
out!...'

http//www.organizedhome.com

Sat, 11 April 1998
Mycala W Shaulis
Kitchen Web Link

http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html

It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house.

Sat, 11 April 1998
Josie Morgan
Financial Info: What to Keep

I ran across this link while working on our taxes today:
http://www.quicken.com/saving/frugal/

It is an article by Jane Bryant Quinn on how to organize financial
records --it covers what to keep, how long to keep it, and logical
ways to organize it.

Wed, 27 May 1998
OrganizeWize

Now that I'm getting more content to my pages I was wondering if you
would add Organize Wize to your FAQ. I have added a printable form
that helps for setting goals called Daily Active Enforcement (DAE) Goal
page and info on how to get started decluttering (or achieving any
goal) called "Charting the course".

Nita in MT FREE Ezine, online signup
Organize Wize: http://organizewize.hypermart.net

Thu, 18 June 1998
Balance Check
DECLUTTR: change of site address - balance check - FAQ

Home page: http://members.aol.com/balanceck/

DeCluttr FAQ: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_clutter.html
DeCluttr FAQ - SHORT:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_short_decluttr.html
Clutter Books:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/books/clutter_books.htm Clutter
Links: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/Links/
links_categories_clutter.html#clutter

Sun, 26 July 1998
Jeannie Weeks <[email protected]>

[...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule
your household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We
offer tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on
our web site at http://www.wecosoft.com/tips.html.... We even have an
email loop anyone can join by sending me a request to
[email protected]. The email loop has tips for using the program
as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and
anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join!

Jeannie Weeks Wecosoft
http://www.wecosoft.com
ICQ#2837260
Chore Genie on AOL

Sun, 18 Oct 1998
The Roberts Family

I'm pleased to announce that I've added 3 pages on decluttering to my
web site (all decked up in fall colors).  More will be forthcoming, of
course: http://www.pongo.com/~webpages/andy

alt.recovery.clutter
"SaraB"
Web Site
Thu Mar 18 1999

http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/
This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from
the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her
"challenge" section.

alt.recovery.clutter
"Terry Voss"
Neat Link!
Tue Mar 23 1999

Online Organizing Expo: http://www.organizedtimes.com/expo2.htm Just
found it myself, so I'll be exploring. Looks good, though.

Mon, 28 Jun 1999
Katrina Ancel
organizing Link

Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Organizer Web
Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since
it's a ring they link to other sites on the topic..

http://www.organizerswebring.com/

Fri, 9 Jul 1999
Katrina Ancel
Free Organizing Guideend from Julie Morgenstern

Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and
how to avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie
Morgenstern author of "Organizing from the Inside Out"
http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_masters_history.html

alt.recovery.clutter
From: naomiy
[1] Found a neat web site! (Pun intended)
Date: Thu Aug 19 1999

Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./

A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good
resources here!
--
Dan Goodman
[email protected]
http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.

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