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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Henrik Edlund wrote:
> It would be nice if the Pine build would honour the SSLCERTS parameters on
> the build line and use it internally for locating local certificates for
> verification. Now it just seems to be used in the build script to check if
> the directory exists and some other checks.

It took me a while to figure out what you're asking for. This has nothing
to do with the "build"; what you want is to have client code use that
path.

How is this useful? It's one thing to want to store server certificates
in a different directory (more importantly, the server private keys). But
CA certificates and public keys should be global for all applications.

-- Mark --

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Mark,

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:

> How is this useful? It's one thing to want to store server certificates
> in a different directory (more importantly, the server private keys).
> But CA certificates and public keys should be global for all
> applications.

It is useful as we do not want to rebuild OpenSSL but prefer to keep
certificates/keys in their own local directory (not part of the system
OpenSSL installation). All other OpenSSL-aware applications we use;
Apache, WU-IMAP, Postfix, stunnel, etc; allow us to specify where they
look for certificates and keys.

As you are allowed to set SSLCERTS on the build command line, I thought it
really meant something, but that variable was only used in the build
script for some simple checks. We build WU-IMAP with SSLCERTS set to our
own directory and that works great (it then looks for imapd.pem and
ipop3d.pem there). It would be great if Pine would use SSLCERTS (build
command line) as its default location for looking up certificates as well.

Also one might have different trust for different application usage, and
hence want to trust different (number of) CAs for different applications.

Sincerely,
Henrik

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I am also interested in this for a different reason. I use Mac OS X,
which isn't using the latest version of OpenSSL. Since I don't want to
mess with the System files, which can cause problems for OS updates from
Apple, among other things, I installed the latest version in
/usr/local/. I also don't want to add things into the System Library if,
for example, I need to add certificates. So, I want to build Pine so it
uses the /usr/local/ installation of OpenSSL and looks for certificates
in the appropriate directory there.

I'm not sure I'm not missing something, because I know very little about
OpenSSL and am really whistling in the dark. So, I apologise in advance
if I'm way off.

Clea

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On 01/07/04, you seem to have written:

> Mark,
>
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:
>
>> How is this useful? It's one thing to want to store server certificates
>> in a different directory (more importantly, the server private keys). But
>> CA certificates and public keys should be global for all applications.
>
> It is useful as we do not want to rebuild OpenSSL but prefer to keep
> certificates/keys in their own local directory (not part of the system
> OpenSSL installation). All other OpenSSL-aware applications we use; Apache,
> WU-IMAP, Postfix, stunnel, etc; allow us to specify where they look for
> certificates and keys.
>
> As you are allowed to set SSLCERTS on the build command line, I thought it
> really meant something, but that variable was only used in the build script
> for some simple checks. We build WU-IMAP with SSLCERTS set to our own
> directory and that works great (it then looks for imapd.pem and ipop3d.pem
> there). It would be great if Pine would use SSLCERTS (build command line) as
> its default location for looking up certificates as well.
>
> Also one might have different trust for different application usage, and
> hence want to trust different (number of) CAs for different applications.
>
> Sincerely,
> Henrik
>
>
>

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Henrik Edlund wrote:
>> How is this useful? It's one thing to want to store server certificates in
>> a different directory (more importantly, the server private keys). But CA
>> certificates and public keys should be global for all applications.
> It is useful as we do not want to rebuild OpenSSL but prefer to keep
> certificates/keys in their own local directory (not part of the system
> OpenSSL installation). All other OpenSSL-aware applications we use; Apache,
> WU-IMAP, Postfix, stunnel, etc; allow us to specify where they look for
> certificates and keys.

Apache, UW imapd (there is no such thing as "WU-IMAP" [*]), Postfix,
stunnel, etc. are all servers. It is useful at times for server
certificates, particularly private keys, to be stored in a separate
directory than public CA certificates.

Pine is a client, not a server. As such, it needs access to Certificate
Authority (CA) certificates in order to validate certificates. It is
sometimes necessary to be able to access a local public key if it is
self-signed; but self-signing is inferior security practice to using a CA
(if necessary, set up your own CA and install its certificate).

> As you are allowed to set SSLCERTS on the build command line, I thought it
> really meant something, but that variable was only used in the build script
> for some simple checks.

That is incorrect.

The SSLCERTS setting from the Pine build is passed down to the IMAP
toolkit build, where it sets the server certificates location for impad
and ipop3d. That's what that line that writes an imap/SPECIALS file is
all about.

Put another way, the SSLCERTS build parameter is to set the certificate
path for the imapd and ipop3d servers that are built as part of the Pine
build.

> It would be great if Pine would use SSLCERTS (build command line) as
> its default location for looking up certificates as well.

There are excellent reasons NOT to do this. The entire purpose for
setting SSLCERTS to a different location is to place server certificates
(and especially the private keys) in a separate read-protected directory
from the publicly-readable directory used by clients.

The only acceptable way to have a build-line parameter that would alter
Pine's *client* certificate directory would be if it was a new parameter
name that set the client certificate directory separately from the server
certificate directory.

This would be a fair amount of work. I question its utility compared to
just building OpenSSL with its default certificate directory set to the
desired directory for client certificates.

> Also one might have different trust for different application usage, and
> hence want to trust different (number of) CAs for different applications.

I can't imagine how this would be useful, especially for Pine which can
potentially be used to access a server anywhere in the world. CA
certificates are global in nature.

[*] imapd is a product of the University of Washington (UW) in Seattle,
WA, USA. To my knowledge, Washington University (WU) in St. Louis,
MO, USA does not produce an IMAP server, although they do produce an
highly-regarded FTP server. Geographically, the two universities are
thousands of kilometers apart.

-- Mark --

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:

> The SSLCERTS setting from the Pine build is passed down to the IMAP
> toolkit build, where it sets the server certificates location for impad
> and ipop3d. That's what that line that writes an imap/SPECIALS file is
> all about.

That may be true, but when I build Pine I build Pine. When I build IMAP I
download it and build it. So to me it looked like it was (and is) ignored
by Pine itself.

> The only acceptable way to have a build-line parameter that would alter
> Pine's *client* certificate directory would be if it was a new parameter name
> that set the client certificate directory separately from the server
> certificate directory.
>
> This would be a fair amount of work. I question its utility compared to
> just building OpenSSL with its default certificate directory set to the
> desired directory for client certificates.

How come? Don't you have all certificate authorization abstraced in one
place?

> I can't imagine how this would be useful, especially for Pine which can
> potentially be used to access a server anywhere in the world. CA
> certificates are global in nature.

Between different applications, not in Pine. I prefer not to re-symlink
the system certs directory everytime a new application is to be run. With
variant symlinks this would of course be possible, but variant symlinks
are not available on my current Linux distribution.

But I can accept you won't do it. I'll dig into the code myself and locate
the places where I have to change it to make it work with our system
setup. The benefit of having access to the source, no less. Thanks for
your time.

Henrik

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Dr. Clea F. Rees wrote:
> I am also interested in this for a different reason. I use Mac OS X,
> which isn't using the latest version of OpenSSL. Since I don't want to
> mess with the System files, which can cause problems for OS updates from
> Apple, among other things, I installed the latest version in
> /usr/local/. I also don't want to add things into the System Library if,
> for example, I need to add certificates. So, I want to build Pine so it
> uses the /usr/local/ installation of OpenSSL and looks for certificates
> in the appropriate directory there.

Are you really adding certificates for client programs, such as Pine?

Note that this proposed feature, if added, would require that all the
Certificate Authority certificates be copied from Mac OS X's OpenSSL to
the /usr/local copy.

Also note that if you install all of the latest version of OpenSSL into
/usr/local, then you can use that version to build Pine. In that case,
the client certificates directory would be the directory of your choosing
when you built OpenSSL, and Pine will get that version.

I realize that this is complicated and hard to understand -- it took me a
long while to understand it myself! But I think that as long as you use
*only* your /usr/local version of OpenSSL with Pine (as opposed to
building Pine with the System version of OpenSSL but expecting Pine to use
the /usr/local files) then you will be OK.

-- Mark --

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:

> I realize that this is complicated and hard to understand -- it took me
> a long while to understand it myself! But I think that as long as you
> use *only* your /usr/local version of OpenSSL with Pine (as opposed to
> building Pine with the System version of OpenSSL but expecting Pine to
> use the /usr/local files) then you will be OK.

Another reason for even having a user configurable (pinerc) option for
this is if users want to trust their own CAs or self-signed certificates.
The end-user may not have root access or the ability to re-compile OpenSSL
(or install OpenSSL in their home directory and then compile their own
Pine with that as well). A sysadmin may not want to centrally install each
users trusted CAs/certificates.

And before you say there are only one set of trusted CAs, I can tell you
that for example KDE comes with more trusted CAs (for Konquerer, etc) than
OpenSSL (which it does not install by default). So there seems to be
little consenses of the common CA set.

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On Jul 1, 2004, 13:41 (-0700) Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> Pine is a client, not a server. As such, it needs access to Certificate
> Authority (CA) certificates in order to validate certificates. It is
> sometimes necessary to be able to access a local public key if it is
> self-signed; but self-signing is inferior security practice to using a CA (if
> necessary, set up your own CA and install its certificate).

Self-signed certificates are inferior if you do not have any independent
verification of them.

Other mail clients let me accept a self-signed certificate, which means
that if I verify the certificate once, it is as safe as a certificate
signed by a trusted CA.

The pine user might not be able to set any CA up, because the mailserver
is controlled by someone else (e.g. IT department).

My request is that pine lets me accepts any certificate after presenting
its fingerprint.

Mats

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Hello,

Does pine have anything like "enable-vi-navigation"
so that hjkl-keys work like arrow keys, Ctrl-F and
Ctrl-B work like page-up/down, /<pattern> works
for WhereIs <pattern> etc.?

I have not been able to find any such think. If pine
does support such a feature, how does one turn it on?

Thanks,

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DR.DOMINIK KABILA
FIRST SON OF ESEMA XXII
ELEME KINGDOM
NIGER DELTA COMMUNITY
PHONE:234+80 36 66 47 73
PRIVATE EMAIL:[email protected]

HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL

Dear Sir/Madam,

Good Day And Compliment of season.

I am Dr.Dominik Kabila {a Civil servant in the ministry of
Health} here in Nigeria. I know this letter would come to
you as a surprise because we have not met before either
physically or through correspondence. I got your contact
from our chamber of commerce here in Nigeria and have no
doubt in your ability to handle this proposal involving
huge sums of money.

The Subject: My father Chief Micheal Kabila {Now late} was
the Royal head of my community, Eleme {an Oil rich town}
in Nigeria. My community produce 5.8% of the total annual
Oil production in Nigeria and 0.5% of the Dollar value of
each barrel is paid to my father as royalty by the federal
government. In his position as the royal head and chairman
of the Eleme Oil trust fund, he made some money which he
kept behind for his children. The money is one hundred and
twenty eight Million, Five Hundred thousand US Dollars
{$128.5m}. This money originated from the accumulated
royalties between 1998. Due to poor banking system in
Nigeria and political/economic instability as a result of
past military rules {1985-1999}, he deposited this money
in a "Box" with an open beneficiary in a security Vault.In
the name of a foreign firm. He told the security Company
that the content of the box is Gold worth [$128.5m] And
the box will be safeguarded until he finishes arrangement
to transfer it abroad. He was planning this when he died
last year of heart Attack.

The Proposal: Just before my father died, he called my
attention in confidence to the money and charged me to
look for a foreigner who would assist me in the
transfer/investment of the fund. So I would be very
grateful if you could accept to help me achieve this great
objective. I promise to give you 25% of total fund
transferred as compensation for your assistant. Five
percent {5%} will be set aside to take care of all
expenses we may incur during the transaction. To indicate
your interest, contact me urgently and confidentially for
more information and the roles you will play in the
transaction. I will like if you to add your phone/fax
number on your reply for easy contact.
Always reply your mail via my private email box
[email protected].

God bless you.

Dominik Kabila,
For the family.

DR.DOMINIK KABILA
FIRST SON OF ESEMA XXII
ELEME KINGDOM
NIGER DELTA COMMUNITY

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On Jul 2, Suresh Govindachar ([email protected]) typed:

Suresh: Hello,
Suresh:
Suresh: Does pine have anything like "enable-vi-navigation"
Suresh: so that hjkl-keys work like arrow keys, Ctrl-F and
Suresh: Ctrl-B work like page-up/down, /<pattern> works
Suresh: for WhereIs <pattern> etc.?
Suresh:
Suresh: I have not been able to find any such think. If pine
Suresh: does support such a feature, how does one turn it on?
Suresh:
Suresh: Thanks,
Suresh:
Suresh: --Suresh

Why not set up vi as alternate editor?

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> S.A. Birl Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 5:22 AM
>
> On Jul 2, Suresh Govindachar ([email protected]) typed:
>
> Suresh: Does pine have anything like "enable-vi-navigation"
> Suresh: so that hjkl-keys work like arrow keys, Ctrl-F and
> Suresh: Ctrl-B work like page-up/down, /<pattern> works
> Suresh: for WhereIs <pattern> etc.?
[...]
> Why not set up vi as alternate editor?

I was looking for vi-emulation not while entering text but
while navigating the various "menu/control" windows of pine.
I have since learnt (from Eduardo Chappa) that this cannot
be done (and also that pine does not support reconfiguration
of keystrokes).

--Suresh

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Hi!

I have two questions (maybe feature requests) regarding file-name
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1) Is there a way to get file-name completion to work for the fcc
field when composing a message? This would be very useful. I have
been using pine for many years, and that would be my number one
feature request, if there isn't already a way to do this. (I know
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folders.)

2) When I use file-name completion (e.g., when saving a message), pine
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"Folder "myfile/" doesn't exist. Create?

I have to manually delete the "/" to sucessfully save the message
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While reading the help on alt-addresses I didnt see anything about patten
matching addresses.

I have multiple sendmail aliases
(either [email protected] or [email protected])
and would like an easier way to have Pine to detect them instead of
entering them all in.

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Nikolaus Vonessen wrote:
> 2) When I use file-name completion (e.g., when saving a message), pine
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> I have to manually delete the "/" to sucessfully save the message
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I have the same problem when trying to save messages to another
mailbox on Mac OS X.. Pine 4.56 running on my personal acct (on "SunOS"
which I think is Solaris?) doesn't have this problem. My main acct only
started doing this a few years ago, AFAIK.. So it may be a server issue,
I still think pine should work around the problem.

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Greetings,

I just upgraded to 4.60 from 4.44 and am getting used to the many new
features. One feature seems to be troubling me.

When viewing messages in pine 4.44, they'd all wrap properly at 74
characters. 4.60 seems to wrap arbitrarily, depending on how big the xterm
I'm in seemd to be.

I've set quell-flowed-text to prevent this from happening on messages *I*
create. Now how do I prevent this on messages other people send me?

In other words, referencing RFC 2646, how do I *VIEW* messages in
Format=Fixed even if they were composed in Format=Flowed (like I could do
in the good 'ole days with pine 4.44).

-Chuck

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Chuck Wolber wrote:

> I've set quell-flowed-text to prevent this from happening on messages *I*
> create. Now how do I prevent this on messages other people send me?

funny you should ask. there's no option to do this in pine 4.60...but,
like you, i wasn't satisfied with that. so, i wrote a patch to provide
just such an option. it's here:

http://snarfed.org/space/pine+flowed-text+patch

-Ryan

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Ryan Barrett wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Chuck Wolber wrote:
>
> > I've set quell-flowed-text to prevent this from happening on messages
> > *I* create. Now how do I prevent this on messages other people send
> > me?
>
> funny you should ask. there's no option to do this in pine 4.60...but,
> like you, i wasn't satisfied with that. so, i wrote a patch to provide
> just such an option. it's here:
>
> http://snarfed.org/space/pine+flowed-text+patch

Outstanding, thank you very much. Only one problem though, whenever I
click on the link to get the patch, I get a message that says:

"Redirection limit for this URL exceeded. Unable to load requested page.
This may be caused by cookies that are blocked."

I checked, and I'm not blocking any cookies.

Any chance you could send me the patch directly?

-Chuck

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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Chuck Wolber wrote:

> Outstanding, thank you very much. Only one problem though, whenever I
> click on the link to get the patch, I get a message that says:
>
> "Redirection limit for this URL exceeded. Unable to load requested page.
> This may be caused by cookies that are blocked."

sorry...i occasionally play at being a sysadmin, which causes problems,
since i'm not a very good one. :P

anyway, the site should be working now, and i've also attached the patch.

-Ryan

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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Ryan Barrett wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Chuck Wolber wrote:
>
> > Outstanding, thank you very much. Only one problem though, whenever I
> > click on the link to get the patch, I get a message that says:
> >
> > "Redirection limit for this URL exceeded. Unable to load requested page.
> > This may be caused by cookies that are blocked."
>
> sorry...i occasionally play at being a sysadmin, which causes problems,
> since i'm not a very good one. :P
>
> anyway, the site should be working now, and i've also attached the
> patch.

Ryan, thanks for that. Came through just fine. I've taken the liberty of
patching the pine 4.60 source with your patch and rolling the patched
version into RPM and DEB packages. Binary and source versions are
included. I've posted them here:

http://www.quantumlinux.com/~chuckw/

-Chuck

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I just tried to create a rule so when I reply to the openvpn-users
mailing list, my reply should automatically set the To: header to the
list-addr. However, when I try to reply to a mail using this rule, pine
stops with a segfault.

I'm using Pine v4.60 on Slackware Linux 9 system.

Here is the rule I've created:

LIT:pattern="/NICK=Mail to [email protected]/
[email protected]/FLDTYPE=EMAIL"action="/
ROLE=1/CSTM=To:
[email protected]/RTYPE=YES/FTYPE=YES/CTYPE=NO"

Please let me know how I can debug this further or if I need to provide
more info.

Here is the last output from .pine-debug running pine -d 9:

12:20:50.426961
output_message(Replying using role "Mail to [email protected]")

12:20:50.430998
- build_address - ([email protected])

12:20:50.431752
- adrbk_check_and_fix_all -

12:20:50.432504
- adrbk_check_and_fix({mail.nilings.se/novalidate-cert/norsh/[email protected]}inbox.addressbook) -

12:20:50.433219
- adrbk_check_validity(/home/mathias/.ab584500) -

12:20:50.434004
- adrbk_check_local_validity(/home/mathias/.ab584500) -

12:20:50.434770
- rd_check_remvalid({mail.nilings.se/novalidate-cert/norsh/[email protected]}inbox.addressbook) -

12:20:50.435674
- build_address_internal - ([email protected])

12:20:50.436387
- init_ab_if_needed -

12:20:50.437091
- save_state -

12:20:50.438342
- expand_address - ([email protected])

12:20:50.440687
- init_abook -

12:20:50.441452
addrbook nickname = Addressbook on Server filename = {mail.nilings.se/novalidate-cert/norsh/[email protected]}inbox
addressbook
12:20:50.442170
ostatus was Closed, want NoDisplay

12:20:50.442883
- adrbk_check_and_fix({mail.nilings.se/novalidate-cert/norsh/[email protected]}inbox.addressbook) -

12:20:50.443598
- adrbk_check_validity(/home/mathias/.ab584500) -

12:20:50.444314
- adrbk_check_local_validity(/home/mathias/.ab584500) -

12:20:50.445073
- rd_check_remvalid({mail.nilings.se/novalidate-cert/norsh/[email protected]}inbox.addressbook) -

12:20:50.445838
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr([email protected]) (in /home/mathias/.ab584500) -

12:20:50.446654
adrbk_get_entryref(/home/mathias/.ab584500) - elem=0 (Internal)

12:20:50.447782
- adrbk_get_ae -

12:20:50.448506
adrbk_get_entryref(/home/mathias/.ab584500) - elem=0 (Internal)

12:20:50.450987
- restore_state -

12:20:50.451717
- init_disp_form(Addressbook on Server) -

12:20:50.452433
- init_abook -
12:20:50.453343
addrbook nickname = Addressbook on Server filename = {mail.nilings.se/novalidate-cert/norsh/[email protected]}inbox
addressbook
12:20:50.454064
ostatus was NoDisplay, want Closed

12:20:50.454781
- adrbk_partial_close(/home/mathias/.ab584500) -

12:20:50.455494
- init_entryref_cache -

12:20:50.456199
- clear_entryref_cache -

12:20:50.457767
- warp_to_dlc(0) -

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Fri, 9 Jul 2004 (12:45 +0200 UTC) Mathias Sundman wrote:

> I just tried to create a rule so when I reply to the openvpn-users mailing
> list, my reply should automatically set the To: header to the list-addr.
> However, when I try to reply to a mail using this rule, pine stops with a
> segfault.
>
> I'm using Pine v4.60 on Slackware Linux 9 system.

There are some tests in the code which *can* look at uninitialized variables
that may cause a crash. Eduardo Chappa's unofficial patched version of 4.60
has the fix for this (http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ ). I
believe the the Pine team mentioned on the Pine newsgroup (comp.mail.pine)
that the problem would be corrected in the next release. The problem is (I
believe) in pine/send.c where there are tests for if(*pf->addr) which should
be if(pf->addr && *pf->addr) (to be safe).

By the way, Before I discovered the NULL pointer problem in the code itself,
I found a workaround for my setup was to use CC: instead of To:, but that
may not work for you.

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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Dick Atlee wrote:

> We have a server running Pine 4.5.1. In spite of many experiments, I've been
> unable to help a user who is getting a lot of spam with a Subject line of the
> form "$12345" (string of digits). Any way to specify a "$" in a filter rule?
> Thanks.

Try using $$ instead of $. All pine variables go through enviroment
variable expansion, so $var is used for that. I don't have a pine 4.51
handy to try it there, but it works in current version.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Univ. of Washington: Computing and Communications, Seattle

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Thanks to both Steves. I'd tried double dollars because of the
environment variable comments in the new-in-4.60 document, but what it
appears to do is cause the $-subject mail to completely disappear, never
apparently arriving in the inbox or in the filter-target folder.

Oddly, though I'd tried \$ earlier and had it fail, one of my
colleagues, unaware of the test, suggested I try it, and when I did, it
worked. Who knows why these things happen.... Thanks again for the
assistance offered!

Dick

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> On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Dick Atlee wrote:
>
>> We have a server running Pine 4.5.1. In spite of many experiments,
>> I've been unable to help a user who is getting a lot of spam with a
>> Subject line of the form "$12345" (string of digits). Any way to
>> specify a "$" in a filter rule? Thanks.
>
>
> Try using $$ instead of $. All pine variables go through enviroment
> variable expansion, so $var is used for that. I don't have a pine 4.51
> handy to try it there, but it works in current version.
>
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Univ. of Washington: Computing and Communications, Seattle
>

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*** Dick Atlee ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Thanks to both Steves. I'd tried double dollars because of the
:) environment variable comments in the new-in-4.60 document, but what it
:) appears to do is cause the $-subject mail to completely disappear,
:) never apparently arriving in the inbox or in the filter-target folder.
:)
:) Oddly, though I'd tried \$ earlier and had it fail, one of my
:) colleagues, unaware of the test, suggested I try it, and when I did, it
:) worked. Who knows why these things happen.... Thanks again for the
:) assistance offered!

It will fail the next time that you edit any filter. Try version 4.60, and
let us know if it works for you.

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Well, I'd created another dummy filter just to experiment with
shuffling, since my user said the \$ didn't work for him. I went back
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with a $-sign, and it filtered OK. Why were you expecting it not to work?

Dick

PS: Unfortunately this pine is on a Unix server serving a lot of people
at the University, and the system staff aren't always crazy about
upgrading software, especially (and, from experience, rightfully so)
newly released versions. So experimenting with 4.60 is not going to be
relevant for a while.

Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Dick Atlee ([email protected]) wrote today:
>
> :) Thanks to both Steves. I'd tried double dollars because of the
> :) environment variable comments in the new-in-4.60 document, but what it
> :) appears to do is cause the $-subject mail to completely disappear,
> :) never apparently arriving in the inbox or in the filter-target folder.
> :)
> :) Oddly, though I'd tried \$ earlier and had it fail, one of my
> :) colleagues, unaware of the test, suggested I try it, and when I did, it
> :) worked. Who knows why these things happen.... Thanks again for the
> :) assistance offered!
>
> It will fail the next time that you edit any filter. Try version 4.60, and
> let us know if it works for you.

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*** Dick Atlee ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Well, I'd created another dummy filter just to experiment with
:) shuffling, since my user said the \$ didn't work for him. I went back
:) and changed the To:-line pattern in that filter and tried another test
:) with a $-sign, and it filtered OK. Why were you expecting it not to
:) work?

I recall a bug in which a rule with a "$" sign would be omitted from the
list if you edited any other filter. The point was that the "\$" would be
transformed into "$" and then lost in the rewriting of the rule.

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hi,

I have updated the original smime patch for pine which can be found in the
current pine source tree under contrib/smime. it works for me using
cygwin, but not using linux/debian (so far, I have only tested with
incoming smime messages, as I am planning to use something based on the
external scripts produced by thorsten glaser for outgoing smime messages).

my patch can, together with much more *nix-related information, be found
at: http://godot.studentenweb.org/debian/index_bw.cgi#pinesmime

the pine-info archive
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2004.01/msg00055.html mentions
the existance of an smime patch finetuned for 4.58 which is claimed to
solve some old bugs and add a few new features, but the site which should
provide more information seems to be down.

is there anyone out there who could provide me with a copy of that patch
against version 4.58?

many thanks, danny.

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Danny De Cock wrote:

> hi,
>
> I have updated the original smime patch for pine which can be found in
> the current pine source tree under contrib/smime. it works for me using
> cygwin, but not using linux/debian (so far, I have only tested with
> incoming smime messages, as I am planning to use something based on the
> external scripts produced by thorsten glaser for outgoing smime
> messages).
>
> my patch can, together with much more *nix-related information, be found
> at: http://godot.studentenweb.org/debian/index_bw.cgi#pinesmime
>
> the pine-info archive
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2004.01/msg00055.html mentions
> the existance of an smime patch finetuned for 4.58 which is claimed to
> solve some old bugs and add a few new features, but the site which
> should provide more information seems to be down.
>
> is there anyone out there who could provide me with a copy of that patch
> against version 4.58?
>
> many thanks, danny.

Super. But it would probably had been better if you coordinated with
Martin Kouril (Kouril period Martin with seznam period cz) who has been
working hard on getting his very much improved patch to work with 4.60 and
OpenSSL 0.9.7d. His patch has lots of bugfixes, time server support and
support for preference settings.

His site seems down now actually, it was up not many days ago. I have a
local copy of smime-patch-for-pine4.58.20040508.diff I could send over if
you want to. I'll send it in a private email as I am unsure if this lists
accepts attachments.

That patch worked really well with both incoming and outgoing messages for
Pine 4.58. What it could have needed was support to select the key
depending on From header, now it selects the key based on your master
address (i.e. it uses the master address even if you override it with a
role to find the key in your home directory).

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I'm using a pine account for approving messages for a majordomo list.
Since upgrading to 4.6 many of the approved messages are rejected by
majordomo. The problem seems to be that when I forwarded a message to
majordomo using 4.58, it would be sent with:
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN
But when I forward the same message using Pine 4.6 it gets sent as:
Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-848703117-1089550477=:11690"
Might there be a configuration setting within 4.6 that I can change to
be sure that the messages are sent as TEXT/PLAIN?
Thanks,
Stephen Ronan

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*** Stephen Ronan ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) The problem seems to be that when I forwarded a message to majordomo
:) using 4.58, it would be sent with: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN;
:) charset=X-UNKNOWN But when I forward the same message using Pine 4.6 it
:) gets sent as: Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED;
:) BOUNDARY="0-848703117-1089550477=:11690" Might there be a configuration
:) setting within 4.6 that I can change to be sure that the messages are
:) sent as TEXT/PLAIN?

Stephen,

Try enabling [X] downgrade-multipart-to-text

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Feature requests
>
> Pine implements Delivery Status Notifications. This is based on
>
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3461.txt
>
>

In trying to use this, in version 4.44 running on Red Ht Linux 7.3,
going via a Postfix SMTP server, I get the response " This server does
not allow Delivery Status Notification", or some such response.

However, I appear to get successful sending of return rexeipt requests,
when using Mozilla Messenger mail. I have just checked, and my settings
for Mozilla messenger, use the same SMTP server as my PINE email
application.

This is using DSNOpts which displays at the bottom of the screen, when
pressing <CTRL><X>, then D for DSNOpts, then S for Success, then Y for
<Yes>, to send, in PINE.

So, Delivery Status Notification appears to not work in PINE version
4.44, or, for me, anyway.

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:51:02 -0400 (EDT)
> From: daniel lance herrick <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Feature request
>
> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Bret Busby wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > I use PINE 4.44, so I do not know whether this feature has been included
> > > in later versions.
> > >
> > > The feature that I request, is the enabling of the use of the <Home>
> > > key, in the folder list, so that, if a person is at (but not in) a
> > > folder somewhere in the list, and, presses the <Home> key, the cursor
> > > (and the display) is shifted to the first folder in the list, which, in
> > > my list, is the INBOX.
> > >
> > > This feature would be similar to the use of the <Home> key in web
> > > browser windows, when clicking on the key, takes the person to the start
> > > of the web page; similarly, in the PINE folder list, it would take a
> > > person to the start of the folder list.
> > >
> > > The feature would be useful when people have large numbers of folders (I
> > > don't know how many hundred folders I have, including archived folders),
> > > rather than repeatedly clicking the <Page Up> key, or using <G> then
> > > entering "INBOX" (from memory, that would operate as "Go to folder
> > > INBOX").
> > >
> > > Also, along the same line, perhaps also incorporating the same
> > > functionality, in reading, or viewing, received messages, would be
> > > useful, especially when reading long messages, like some newsletters,
> > > which have lengths of several screens.
> > >
> > > Whilst it may be said, that implementing this particular functionality,
> > > in these two cases, might cause confusion, when using the <Home> key
> > > during composing a message, takes the cursor to the start of the current
> > > line, rather than to the start of the message being composed, I am
> > > confident that, for the most part, PINE users would not be too confused,
> > > or, if they are, perhaps, an option in the Settings -> Configuration, to
> > > enable/disable the functionality that I seek, could minimise that
> > > confusion.
> > >
> > > Thank you in anticipation.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It has since occurred to me, after trying to use the <Home> key to go
> > to the start of a message that I was composing, and instead going to
> > the start of the line, that it might be a good idea, to implement the
> > requested use of the <Home> key, by using, as used now, the <Home> key
> > to go to the start of the current line, and, <Shift><Home> to go to the
> > start of the message, or to the start of the folders list.
>
> Rather than a shift combination, this is an
> application for repeated <Home>:
>
> <Home> goes to the beginning of the line
> <Home><Home> goes to beginning of paragraph
> <Home><Home><Home> goes to beginning of buffer
>
> (and similarly for <End>). I don't remember what
> editor it was that had this feature; maybe it was
> brief.
>
> dan
>
>
> > That could be useful, both when composing messages, and, when reading
> > received messages, and, traversing the folders list,and, would reduce
> > confusion.
> >
> > The action of the <Shift><Home> keypress combination, also in other
> > places like the Settings -> Configuration and Settings -> Rules ->
> > Filters, and in editing the filters themselves, to go to the start of
> > the material being displayed, could also be useful for traversing the
> > material being displayed.
> >
> > --
>
>

In checking, the above response to my request, was the only response
that I appear to have received to the feature request.

Does this mean that the feature exists in later versions of PINE (than
version 4.44), or that using a different editor to the default (which
from memory is pico), will enable the features in the response, both in
composing messges and, in traversing lists of messages within a folder,
and, the message folders?

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I have a mailbox in MBX format. If I have read a message in this mailbox,
there is a mailutil process that moves messages to another mailbox and
expunges them. The message then shows as D(eleted) in the mail index (it
does not disappear). When I now switch folder (for example to INBOX), Pine
wants to expunge the deleted message (which no longer exists in the
mailbox) and dies with this in the debug-file:

---- FOLDER LISTER ----
About to open folder "INBOX" inbox is: "INBOX"
expunge_and_close: "henrik.edlund.org"
Want_to read: y (121)
about to end_tty_driver
Pine Panic: Received abort signal(sig=11)

(If I leave the folder answering no to the expunge questions, Pine does
not die.)

Known bug?

Also, shouldn't Pine thanks to the MBX format mailbox notice the message
has been expunged? Why does it show as deleted?
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Since which version has Pine supported sending-filters with the _MIMETYPE_
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_MIMETYPE_
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*** On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 I wrote:

:) *** Dick Atlee ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
:)
:) :) Well, I'd created another dummy filter just to experiment with
:) :) shuffling, since my user said the \$ didn't work for him. I went
:) :) back and changed the To:-line pattern in that filter and tried
:) :) another test with a $-sign, and it filtered OK. Why were you
:) :) expecting it not to work?
:)
:) I recall a bug in which a rule with a "$" sign would be omitted from
:) the list if you edited any other filter. The point was that the "\$"
:) would be transformed into "$" and then lost in the rewriting of the
:) rule.

Dick,

Here's a trick that should work, regardless of which version of Pine you
are using. Define the subkect field as:

=?utf-8?Q?=24?=

that's equivalent to a peso ($) sign.

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Filtering for SPAM with dollar-sign ($) in the Subject line
>
> *** On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 I wrote:
>
> :) *** Dick Atlee ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
> :)
> :) :) Well, I'd created another dummy filter just to experiment with
> :) :) shuffling, since my user said the \$ didn't work for him. I went
> :) :) back and changed the To:-line pattern in that filter and tried
> :) :) another test with a $-sign, and it filtered OK. Why were you
> :) :) expecting it not to work?
> :)
> :) I recall a bug in which a rule with a "$" sign would be omitted from
> :) the list if you edited any other filter. The point was that the "\$"
> :) would be transformed into "$" and then lost in the rewriting of the
> :) rule.
>
> Dick,
>
> Here's a trick that should work, regardless of which version of Pine you
> are using. Define the subkect field as:
>
> =?utf-8?Q?=24?=
>
> that's equivalent to a peso ($) sign.
>
>

If that would work with a "$" symbol, could you please also give the
required equivalents, for the "!", "?", "|", and "." symbols? These
are also prevalent in subject lines of spam messages, and the "."
and "|" symbols are used to fragment alphabetic character strings, such
as words, to defeat spam filters.

Thank you in anticipation.

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
.............

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
...................................................

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Bret Busby wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:34:23 +0800 (WST)
> From: Bret Busby <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Filtering for SPAM with dollar-sign ($) in the Subject line
>
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
> > To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: Filtering for SPAM with dollar-sign ($) in the Subject line
> >
> > *** On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 I wrote:
> >
> > :) *** Dick Atlee ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
> > :)
> > :) :) Well, I'd created another dummy filter just to experiment with
> > :) :) shuffling, since my user said the \$ didn't work for him. I went
> > :) :) back and changed the To:-line pattern in that filter and tried
> > :) :) another test with a $-sign, and it filtered OK. Why were you
> > :) :) expecting it not to work?
> > :)
> > :) I recall a bug in which a rule with a "$" sign would be omitted from
> > :) the list if you edited any other filter. The point was that the "\$"
> > :) would be transformed into "$" and then lost in the rewriting of the
> > :) rule.
> >
> > Dick,
> >
> > Here's a trick that should work, regardless of which version of Pine you
> > are using. Define the subkect field as:
> >
> > =?utf-8?Q?=24?=
> >
> > that's equivalent to a peso ($) sign.
> >
> >
>
> If that would work with a "$" symbol, could you please also give the
> required equivalents, for the "!", "?", "|", and "." symbols? These
> are also prevalent in subject lines of spam messages, and the "."
> and "|" symbols are used to fragment alphabetic character strings, such
> as words, to defeat spam filters.
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
>

Similarly, with the underscore "_", and tilde "~".

Thank you in anticipation.

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
.............

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you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
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published by Pan Books, 1992
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*** Bret Busby ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) > Here's a trick that should work, regardless of which version of Pine
:) > you are using. Define the subkect field as:
:) >
:) > =?utf-8?Q?=24?=
:) >
:) > that's equivalent to a peso ($) sign.
:)
:) If that would work with a "$" symbol, could you please also give the
:) required equivalents, for the "!", "?", "|", and "." symbols? These are
:) also prevalent in subject lines of spam messages, and the "." and "|"
:) symbols are used to fragment alphabetic character strings, such as
:) words, to defeat spam filters.

I don't think you need those codes, you can enter them directly, however,
if you really think this is the way to do it, replace the "=24" above
(which is the code of the $ sign) by the ascii code of the character that
you want.

For example, at www.asciitable.com, you will see that a "$" sign has
associated the number "24" under the Hx column, "!" is 21, "|" is 7C, and
so on.

--
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Dick Atlee wrote:
> PS: Unfortunately this pine is on a Unix server serving a lot of people at the
> University, and the system staff aren't always crazy about upgrading software,
> especially (and, from experience, rightfully so) newly released versions. So
> experimenting with 4.60 is not going to be relevant for a while.

(please don't top-post)

If you're using regular mail delivery on your system, you should be able to
just compile a new pine and use it for yourself. (On my personal account,
they don't use "regular" mail delivery, I think they use qmail, which
requires a big hassle each time to get a new pine up and running.) But if
you're just using IMAP for example to access your mail, you could just
compile a new one.

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Does anyone have an icon for pine that I can attach to an Applescript file
that starts up Pine from the desktop? Or is there a way with OS X to
convert the icons in contrib so they can be pasted in to the "Get Info"
panel that manages OS X icons?

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From: Tony Chang <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 [email protected] wrote:
>> If you create filter with some To: pattern on INBOX (internal
>> /var/spool/mail/ mailbox) and with some status (I set "If message is
>> important"), then if you save this filter and exit from settings, the
>> filter is applied. But if you are in INBOX, you set Important some
>> message with the correct To: address and press X (as expunge), filter
>> doesn't apply. In pine 4.58 this worked fine.
>
>It turns out that is intentional. It is a safety feature which is tricky
>to implement, and for your case, it does not do what you want. On the
>other hand, it ought to correctly filter it the next time you come into
>this folder, so the problem should be a small one.

I just recently upgraded to 4.60 and I'm having the same problem. What
do you mean by 'the next time you come into the folder'? I've tried
switching to a different folder then switching back, but the filter
doesn't apply. The only way I'm able to get the filter to apply is by
exiting and restarting pine. I would prefer to not do this as I tend to
leave pine running all the time (in a screen session).

Would it be possible to make this functionality a tunable feature in
the next version?

Thanks,
Tony

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Hi all. I've written a patch that removes trailing quotes from
compositions:

http://snarfed.org/space/pine+remove+trailing+quote+patch

If you try to observe decent netiquette, and quote the smallest relevant
piece of emails when you reply, you often need to trim a lot of extra
quoted text. This is especially true if you correspond with people who
(ick) top-post. This patch automates the drudgery of trimming that excess
quoted text.

The patch adds an option that removes quoted text if it's the last text in
the message, except for (possibly) your signature. At the "Send message?"
prompt, it removes the trailing quote so you can see what the trimmed
composition will look like before you send. If you cancel, it replaces the
trailing quote. It also provides a keystroke to remove trailing quotes
manually. Enjoy!

-Ryan

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Tony Chang wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 [email protected] wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 [email protected] wrote:
> > > If you create filter with some To: pattern on INBOX (internal
> > > /var/spool/mail/ mailbox) and with some status (I set "If message is
> > > important"), then if you save this filter and exit from settings, the
> > > filter is applied. But if you are in INBOX, you set Important some
> > > message with the correct To: address and press X (as expunge), filter
> > > doesn't apply. In pine 4.58 this worked fine.
> >
> > It turns out that is intentional. It is a safety feature which is tricky
> > to implement, and for your case, it does not do what you want. On the
> > other hand, it ought to correctly filter it the next time you come into
> > this folder, so the problem should be a small one.
>
> I just recently upgraded to 4.60 and I'm having the same problem. What
> do you mean by 'the next time you come into the folder'? I've tried
> switching to a different folder then switching back, but the filter
> doesn't apply. The only way I'm able to get the filter to apply is by
> exiting and restarting pine. I would prefer to not do this as I tend to
> leave pine running all the time (in a screen session).
>
> Would it be possible to make this functionality a tunable feature in
> the next version?

*** Hi,

I have built pine4.60 with new chappa patches again and the filter on
expunge works but only in one case:

I have rule "if message is not recent (is not new)"

If I set the status of the message using "*!n" (change status, not, new),
then try to expunge, it doesn't filter. If I leave the folder and go into
other folder and then go back, message is not still filtered.

If I read the message (status has changed to NOT new), then I do expunge
and message is filtered.

Any ideas if this is OK or error?

Bye

Wolf.

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Dearest,

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We are WILLIAMS and Miss SUZAN CATIM from SIERA LEONE.

We are writing you NOW from Rep of Cote 'Ivoire where we have been taking=

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g
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by our late father for onward transfer to Overseas because of the war but=

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th
but was affraid to make an effort concerning this money since due to the
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r
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to your country to further our study and invest this money in a good busi=
ness
while you will be a guildian to the investment untill we finish our educa=
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we are willing to offer you 15% of the total sum for your help and a nego=
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on getting your response,we will send to you all the documents of this de=
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WILLAMS AND SUZAN CATIM

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> Would it be possible to make this functionality a tunable feature in
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>
> Thanks,
> Tony

Here is one of the release notes for pine 4.61. Maybe this will fix your
problem.

Relaxed conditions which caused a filter to not be reevaluated before
expunging if the user changed flags manually. Now only a manual
Undelete may cause the filter to not be reevaluated before expunging.

Steve

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Hi, All,
I'm using Pine 4.60 and have my normal index set for status msgno
smarttime init subject(100%).
I have no problems with this, works great.
But when I sort by threads, the index-format changes to what's close to
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Is there a way (hopefully an easy one) to get the same index-format when
reading threads?
I'm using mutt-like threads and sorting by ordered-subject.
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Just noticed that inside threads, (using
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just not in the message index itself.
--Rick

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Rick Lewis wrote:

> Is there a way (hopefully an easy one) to get the same index-format when
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If you use one of the threading-index-styles that starts with "separate"
so that it says THREAD INDEX instead of MESSAGE INDEX at the top of the
screen, you can't control the format of that THREAD INDEX page. Sorry.

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Im try to figure out how to use these Keywords to create a new flags
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Can somebody explain me how these things working?

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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
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Specific information about changes can be found in the built-in release
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http://www.washington.edu/pine/

http://www.washington.edu/pine/changes.html

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

UNIX source code for the latest Pine release is available at:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/
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Pre-built binaries are available for a small number of UNIX operating
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http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/

The PC-Pine distribution is also available at the above url, or at:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/setup_pine_4.61.exe
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Alternatively, the zip file is also available at:

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Linux RPMs and Debian packages are now also available at:

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ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine_4.61_i386.deb
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As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
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Hi,

anyone can check this error?

If started pine4.61 compiled with Chappa all patch, there is a warning

"[Sort type "date" is invalid]"

This warning disappear when I add in pinerc value "thread" or "arrival"
(different than date) into thread-sort-key. There is default value "date"
for this but probably some patch destroyed the functionality for "date" in
thread-sort-key options.

There is no warning in pine 4.61 without chappa patch.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 [email protected] wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> anyone can check this error?
>
> If started pine4.61 compiled with Chappa all patch, there is a warning
>
> "[Sort type "date" is invalid]"
>
> This warning disappear when I add in pinerc value "thread" or "arrival"
> (different than date) into thread-sort-key. There is default value "date"
> for this but probably some patch destroyed the functionality for "date" in
> thread-sort-key options.
>
> There is no warning in pine 4.61 without chappa patch.

The Chappa fancy (threading) patch adds thread-sort-key option. It used to
support all the options of sort-key, but we had some discussion about bad
usability with having options that does nothing (subject, from, to, etc)
and options that does the same as another option (date same as thread). So
the fancy patch now (part of all.patch) only takes "arrival" and "thread"
(Pine default thread sort without patch) as thread-sort-key.

So either change "date" to "thread" in .pinerc, or if Pine can be started,
change it in the Config.

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Hi list. This is my first post.

I was a avid Pine user years ago. It's nice to see the Windows
version has added some GUI elements (to make it a bit more
modern). But I prefer the faster TUI interface.

Now I'd like to build PC-Pine with MingW (making my own makefile
if I have to). Anybody built it with MingW/gcc 3.3 lately?

Just briefly skimming through the source/makefiles, I cannot find the
resource files anywhere (the .rc-files that makes up the menus etc.).
Where are they; do they get generated?

I downloaded the latest pine.tar.bz2 expecting everything needed for
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I'm trying to build Pine 4.61 on my HP/UX 11.22 box and ran into the
following error:

ar: creating libpico.a
: libpico.a
gcc -g -DDEBUG -Dhpp -DJOB_CONTROL -DPOSIX -DMOUSE -c main.c
gcc -g -DDEBUG -Dhpp -DJOB_CONTROL -DPOSIX -DMOUSE main.o libpico.a -ltermcap -lV3 -o pico
ld: Can't find library or mismatched ABI for -ltermcap
Fatal error.
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.

The command used to do the build was './build NOSSL ghp'. Is there a
problem or is this another HP/UX compatibility issue between HP/UX 10 and
11i? Thank in advance.

Don Newcomer
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Dear Pinesters,

I didn't use PC-Pine 4.60 since it crashed when opening any mailbox
without a network connection available (#move INBOX) and when exiting
after delete or delete/expunge. I stayed on 4.58 instead.

Today I installed 4.61 and found both problems fixed plus noticeably
increased filtering speed. Excellent!

Thanks a lot to all who have contributed!

Cheers from goudy old Germany,

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Possible the help text shown at the end of this message, in 4.61, could be
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If I reply to a quoted messages with "> > >" (in Message Text view) Pine
will render this as ">>>" in the Composer. Well, ">>>" is what Pine must
send in order to follow the RFC for flowed text, but it is not what was in
the original email. Maybe this conversion when doing reply is okay, maybe
it is not, I am not sure myself how I feel about it at this stage. (But
when sending, any "> > >" must be converted to ">>>" before handing off to
MTA if flowed text.)

Thing now is, that when I get an incoming flowed message with ">>>", Pine
will convert this to "> > >" before displaying it in Message Text view.
This is where I want display-indent-string (or maybe
display-quote-string?) to come in. If I set this option to "| " then Pine
would convert the ">>>" to "| | | " before display (but it would still be
">>>" in the message source saved on disk).

If we go back to the second paragraph above and my question to myself if
it was correct of Pine to show ">>>" in the Composer. Maybe it is here
Pine should use the reply-indent-string ("> " per default). It should
render the message I reply to with "> > >" or "| | |" if that is what I
set reply-indent-string to. Before the message is handed off to the MTA,
then Pine should convert all "reply-indent-string" into ">" so that the
message is in conformance with the flowed text RFC.

What do you think?

--- snip ---

OPTION: Reply-Indent-String

This option specifies an aspect of Pine's Reply command. When a message
is replied to and the text of the message is included, the included text
usually has the string "> " prepended to each line indicating it is
quoted text. (In case you haven't seen this before, "string" is a
technical term which means chunk of text.)

--- snip ---
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Henrik Edlund wrote:

> If I reply to a quoted messages with "> > >" (in Message Text view) Pine
> will render this as ">>>" in the Composer. Well, ">>>" is what Pine must
> send in order to follow the RFC for flowed text, but it is not what was
> in the original email. Maybe this conversion when doing reply is okay,
> maybe it is not, I am not sure myself how I feel about it at this stage.
> (But when sending, any "> > >" must be converted to ">>>" before handing
> off to MTA if flowed text.)

The implicit conversion from "> > >" to ">>>" when replying also causes
problems when using the ^V NoFlow option of ^X Send. As Pine changed all
the "> > >" into ">>>", if NoFlow is enabled, the message sent in Fixed
format will now actually have ">>>" and not "> > >" (as in original
message). I think this is a bug.

It seems to me the conversion from pine-indent-string to
format-flowed-indent-string should take place when the message is actually
sent, after we know if the user finally choose Flow or NoFlow.

Also, is it possible so that the help text for reply-indent-string that
today states that if one changes it, the message will not be flowed,
should then really be: ''If the message is sent using flowed text, the
indent string specified here will simply be ignored and internally
converted to the standard ">" before message is sent. If you choose NoFlow
just before sending, even if flowed text is turned on by default, this
string will still be used though.''

//Henrik

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*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) anyone can check this error?
:)
:) If started pine4.61 compiled with Chappa all patch, there is a warning
:)
:) "[Sort type "date" is invalid]"

Hello Wolf,

I am sorry about this. I had fixed this error (in fact it's not in the
"fancy" patch), but I forgot to fix it in the "all patch". It is now
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> I am sorry about this. I had fixed this error (in fact it's not in the
> "fancy" patch), but I forgot to fix it in the "all patch". It is now
> fixed. Sorry about that.

Ah, that's why I could not replicate it with my fancy.patch so I could
give Wolf a patch. (I don't use all.patch.)

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Here's a strange one for you. I'm running Pine under Tru64 UNIX version
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*** Don Newcomer ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) Here's a strange one for you. I'm running Pine under Tru64 UNIX
:) version 4.0E. For years I've been able to select mail folders based on
:) the presence of unseen messages and zoom (;PUZ is the sequence). Now,
:) since I've built and installed 4.61, this doesn't work anymore. Any
:) ideas?

How doesn't it work?. Do you have enabled [X] enable-aggregate-cmd-set?

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Yup. It seems to only work intermittently if my current folder has a new
message in it and it only selects that folder. My configuration files
haven't changed at all; this worked fine this morning before I migrated
from 4.58 to 4.61.

Don Newcomer
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Don Newcomer ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:
>
> :) Here's a strange one for you. I'm running Pine under Tru64 UNIX
> :) version 4.0E. For years I've been able to select mail folders based on
> :) the presence of unseen messages and zoom (;PUZ is the sequence). Now,
> :) since I've built and installed 4.61, this doesn't work anymore. Any
> :) ideas?
>
> How doesn't it work?. Do you have enabled [X] enable-aggregate-cmd-set?
>
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I have a certain email where the URL detection fails..

The URL is similar to:

http://a.b.com/X/Y/whatever.php?whatever=number

And the URL detection only selects up through the ?

However, I can't reproduce it. Even copying/pasting the EXACT URL into a new
mail to myself doesn't show the problem. But in the original email, it happens
every time. (4.61, but I'm almost positive I've seen this before)
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

>
> I have a certain email where the URL detection fails..
>
> The URL is similar to:
>
> http://a.b.com/X/Y/whatever.php?whatever=number
>
> And the URL detection only selects up through the ?
>
> However, I can't reproduce it. Even copying/pasting the EXACT URL into a new
> mail to myself doesn't show the problem. But in the original email, it happens
> every time. (4.61, but I'm almost positive I've seen this before)
>

If you view this message with full headers, do you get the same problem?
There are ways to generate a special type of flowed message where this
would happen, but if the highlight didn't work with full headers then that
would be a problem I'm not familiar with.

Is this problem new to 4.61?

Thanks,
Jeff

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Jeff Franklin wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>> every time. (4.61, but I'm almost positive I've seen this before)
>
> If you view this message with full headers, do you get the same problem? There
> are ways to generate a special type of flowed message where this would happen,
> but if the highlight didn't work with full headers then that would be a
> problem I'm not familiar with.

Yes, the problem happens with full headers. But I do see that with full
headers, it shows up like

http://url?
whatever=whatevernum

So the part after the question mark shows up on a separate line _in full header
mode_. (I even made my window very wide just to make sure that didn't have
anything to do with it.)

> Is this problem new to 4.61?

As I said above, I didn't think so.. but I did run the 4.60 I had and
confirmed, the problem is not new.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>Yes, the problem happens with full headers. But I do see that with full
>headers, it shows up like
>
>http://url?
>whatever=whatevernum
>
>So the part after the question mark shows up on a separate line _in full header
>mode_. (I even made my window very wide just to make sure that didn't have
>anything to do with it.)

Oh yeah, and here's the content-type of the offending message
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

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hi,

after having received the smime patch for pine4.58 from henrik, I slightly
changed it to make it work with pine4.61. next to this version
synchronization, I have corrected and extended some user interface
features to improve the signer's (certificate) details.

I successfully tested it with cygwin, linux (redhat and debian) and with
osf1. if you should experience problems (e.g., segmentation faults when
pressing ctrl-e when trying to view a signer's details), you might
consider recompiling openssl (with time stamping support) and the patched
pine itself using gcc-2.95.

the patch and detailed installation instructions can be found here:
http://godot.studentenweb.org/debian/index_bw.cgi#pinesmime

cu, g.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> Oh yeah, and here's the content-type of the offending message
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

That's the scenario I was talking about. What the generating client did
is a gray area in the spec wrt its use of delsp. It appears that they
aren't using delsp for its intended purpose. Therefore, we are doing the
safest (and easiest) thing in treating the two lines as separate entities
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for clarifications on this behavior, though.

Jeff

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Jeff Franklin wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, and here's the content-type of the offending message
>> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> That's the scenario I was talking about. What the generating client did is a
> gray area in the spec wrt its use of delsp. It appears that they aren't using
> delsp for its intended purpose. Therefore, we are doing the safest (and
> easiest) thing in treating the two lines as separate entities and not treating
> them as part of the same URL. We will keep our eye out for clarifications on
> this behavior, though.

Do you have more specifics?

The "generating client" is Apple's Mail.app. I could write up a bug on
the area.. I just don't know the details.

I know you said gray area.. but it still might be worth a bug.

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- ---------- Resent message ----------

Hello, I've been using pine as my chosen mail-reader for so long that I
almost can't remember using anything else of my own free will.

I'm currently using it at home on a multi-boot PC where I've got pine
4.60 installed on Fedora Core 1 & Fedora Core 2 & pine 4.58 on Mandrake
9.1. I mostly do my mail/news reading while in FC2.

When I joined Fedora's mailing list I found that I simply had to start
filtering my mail somehow. I chose to learn to use pine's filtering
capabilities. Which worked well on my local folders.

I also use pine to import mail from my various non-local inboxes. which
currently amount to several pop accounts on one ISP's pop server. I
also use it for some newsgroups.

The problems arose when I decided to use pines filters to selectively
move mail & newsgroup messages based on a specific incoming folder.

Problem # 1 of 2) I discovered that: Specific incoming folders didn't
differentiate between separate pop inbox folders...

when I selected any ONE of the pop accounts as a specific incoming
folder in the current folder type portion of a filter rule, the rule
would actually be applied to ANY of the three pop accounts...

For example, consider this extract from my ~/.pinerc which, if I
understand the help text, should cause mail from anyone in my
addressbook(s) to be moved to the local folder appropriate for which mail
account they sent to...

LIT:pattern="/NICK=KnownSender_W/FLDTYPE=SPEC/FOLDER=W1LDcard/AFROM=YES" action="/FILTER=1/FOLDER=\/home\/jtwdyp\/mail\/KnownToWildcard/NOKILL=1",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=KnownSender_J/FLDTYPE=SPEC/FOLDER=jtwdyp/AFROM=YES" action="/FILTER=1/FOLDER=\/home\/jtwdyp\/mail\/KnownToJtwdyp/NOKILL=1",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=KnownSender_S/FLDTYPE=SPEC/FOLDER=spamen0t/AFROM=YES" action="/FILTER=1/FOLDER=\/home\/jtwdyp\/mail\/KnownToSpamen0t/NOKILL=1",

In practice mail from anybody in the addressbook(s) sending mail to the
pop accounts associated with the "jtwdyp" and "spamen0t" incoming
folders were being moved to the "KnownToWildcard" local folder...

This problem didn't happen when I tested the sorting rule on three local
folders.

I checked the pine 4.58 installed to my Mandrake linux, and it did the
same thing...

Is there something I'm misunderstanding here or shouldn't I be able to
sort mail having otherwise the same characteristics to different local
folders based on which remote pop server inbox they are being moved
from???

("Yeah, I know I could catch "most" of them via the To: header, but
believe it or not I get "SOME" mail sent to me with missing To: & Cc:
header lines that don't meet my personal description of spam. And in
those cases I "_really_" want to be aware of which mailbox they are
sending it to...)

I suppose I can take the time to do a MSRF{select appropriate filter}$UEY
to reorder the KnownSender* rules so that the appropriate one is found
first before each/every time I open an pop account incoming folder, But
that is a REAL pain in the orifice.

Is there a more reasonable way I can accomplish this?

- - - - - - - - -< s n i p >- - - - - - - - - -

Problem # 2 of 2) I discovered that: Specific incoming (News) folders
sometimes get applied to the local INBOX.

When I simply wanted to import all the "new" messages from a subscribed
newsgroup to a local folder where further processing could be
accomplished much more quickly {yeah I know this "COULD" be done by way
of running my own local news spool, but I would want chron to help me
manage that, And you never know when I'll be running a different linux,
or win98se or even have reason to powerdown this personal PC when the
chron job should start... So personal mail folders work better for me}

Anyway, the long and the short of it is as long as I didn't mind any
local linux INBOX messages being moved to the local fedora folder, this
worked:
LIT:pattern="/NICK=SpecificNewsIfFedoraNewsGgroupToFedora-Now/FLDTYPE=SPEC/FOLDER={news.gmane.org\/nntp}#news.gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/STATD=NO" action="/FILTER=1/FOLDER=\/home\/jtwdyp\/mail\/fedora-now/NOKILL=1",

But since I like to keep local linux mail (such as messages sent to me
by one of my bash scripts...) in my INBOX until I deal with them I
played with it until I found that simply by adding a extra header field
to the rule (specifically "Newsgroups:") I could prevent this from being
applied to the INBOX folder even if I left it blank.

LIT:pattern="/NICK=SpecificNewsIfFedoraNewsGgroupToFedora-Now/ARBNewsgroups=/FLDTYPE=SPEC/FOLDER={news.gmane.org\/nntp}#news.gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/STATD=NO" action="/FILTER=1/FOLDER=\/home\/jtwdyp\/mail\/fedora-now/NOKILL=1",

The thing is, Once I added that extra header field, I don't see anything
to even suggest that the messages in INBOX are bing checked for
anything. But when I tried the 1st version of the rule I couldn't open
INBOX without dumping it's contents into fedora-now...

Is this a known problem or a fluke? Simply adding that header seams to
have solved it for me, but I'm curious if anyone could tell me why this
happened?

Thanks!

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There appears to be a bug with the 'show full header' command introduced in
Pine 4.61 (Possibly in 4.60, but definetely not before that).

If you show full headers on a message, and then hit n or p to go to next or
previous message.. it no longer shows the headers, and you have to hit 'h'
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Mon, 19 Jul 2004 (12:16 -0700 UTC) Erik Parker wrote:

>
> There appears to be a bug with the 'show full header' command introduced in
> Pine 4.61 (Possibly in 4.60, but definetely not before that).
>
> If you show full headers on a message, and then hit n or p to go to next or
> previous message.. it no longer shows the headers, and you have to hit 'h'
> again to show the headers. I'm not sure when that functionality broke, but
> it's a real pain to compare headers when you have to hit the h command each
> time when cycling messages.

I think it would be good if this feature operated differently based on
context. For example, if full headers are turned on by the user while
looking at the mail index, then each message viewed in that index defaults
to full header. If it is turned on in the message, then it follows the new
way of toggling header mode off after moving to the next message.

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> I think it would be good if this feature operated differently based on
> context. For example, if full headers are turned on by the user while
> looking at the mail index, then each message viewed in that index defaults to
> full header. If it is turned on in the message, then it follows the new way
> of toggling header mode off after moving to the next message.

I agree with you on that. that was the first thing I tried, thinking maybe
they changed it to be that way. But doesn't seem to be the case. Did you
confirm on your OSX box the same behavior?

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Erik Parker wrote:

> There appears to be a bug with the 'show full header' command introduced
> in Pine 4.61 (Possibly in 4.60, but definetely not before that).
>
> If you show full headers on a message, and then hit n or p to go to next
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> hit 'h' again to show the headers. I'm not sure when that functionality
> broke, but it's a real pain to compare headers when you have to hit the
> h command each time when cycling messages.

You should probably bother and read the release notes for 4.61:

* The behavior of the HdrMode Command has changed slightly. It now
reverts back to normal mode when you switch to a new message. It also
has an additional state if Quote-Suppression-Threshold is turned on.
* The old behavior of the HdrMode Command can be restored by not
setting the Quote-Suppression-Threshold and setting the new feature
Quell-Full-Header-Auto-Reset

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Mon, 19 Jul 2004 (12:25 -0700 UTC) Erik Parker wrote:

>> I think it would be good if this feature operated differently based on
>> context. For example, if full headers are turned on by the user while
>> looking at the mail index, then each message viewed in that index
>> defaults to full header. If it is turned on in the message, then it
>> follows the new way of toggling header mode off after moving to the next
>> message.
>
> I agree with you on that. that was the first thing I tried, thinking maybe
> they changed it to be that way. But doesn't seem to be the case. Did you
> confirm on your OSX box the same behavior?

Yes, and i believe that is the intended behavior based on the release notes
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> You should probably bother and read the release notes for 4.61:

Thanks, I'll "bother" to read it next time.

> * The behavior of the HdrMode Command has changed slightly. It now
> reverts back to normal mode when you switch to a new message. It also
> has an additional state if Quote-Suppression-Threshold is turned on.
> * The old behavior of the HdrMode Command can be restored by not
> setting the Quote-Suppression-Threshold and setting the new feature
> Quell-Full-Header-Auto-Reset

Features like this shouldn't be turned on by default in an upgrade.. Just my
02.. Should have it as a new option, so people who "bother" to read the
release notes, can enable it if they want to.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Erik Parker wrote:

> Features like this shouldn't be turned on by default in an upgrade..
> Just my .02.. Should have it as a new option, so people who "bother" to
> read the release notes, can enable it if they want to.

Flowed text went default _on_ in 4.60 as well.

It's not the first time.

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I can't put wildcards in patterns, right? From the online help it doesn't
look so.

I'd love to be able to catch:

http://*.org/

because it seems like the only spam I'm getting into my work account is ".org"
porn spam.

I tried adding just ".org" to an existing filter I've got but somehow it
matched a whole bunch of messages (I picked one or two of them, and the w
command couldn't see .org in the message).
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On 20 Jul 2004 Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> I can't put wildcards in patterns, right? From the online help it doesn't
> look so.
>
> I'd love to be able to catch:
>
> http://*.org/

No, you can't use wildcards in a Pine pattern but you could
create Pine filter that uses an

External Categorizer Commands

and the external categorizer (e.g. grep) could use wild cards. To
learn about External Categorizer Commands, go to MSRF and read
the relevant help. I think this was introduced in 4.60.

Hope this helps,
Nancy
Infinite Ink
www.ii.com

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Erik Parker wrote:
> Features like this shouldn't be turned on by default in an upgrade.. Just my
> .02.. Should have it as a new option, so people who "bother" to read the
> release notes, can enable it if they want to.

I think you should've read the release notes, but I agree with this part.

I think that feature changes for the most part shouldn't be pushed on people.

Unless perhaps pine could figure out that someone doesn't have a lot of
changes from the previous defaults, then maybe setting some currently-favored
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Is there a way to select a set of attachments and
save them?

Someone sent me a file with a couple hundred attachments
(instead of a single zip with them all in *Sigh*) I couldn't
find a way to select all of them to save in a single command
or select a subset of them to save.

Was I just missing it somewhere (in pine 4.60)?

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*** James Cummings ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) Is there a way to select a set of attachments and save them?

Not really. The best you can do in Pine4.61 is to save all attachments at
once. This is done as part of the export command. In fact, if you have a
message that has attachments, then pressing "E" to export it, will show a
key in the menu "^P", which when pressed will make Pine save all
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The name of the directory is obtained from the name of the file where you
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Hello,

I try to make some usage of the "keywords" in the Pine 4.61 on NetBSD
2.0F, but this does not working. :(

I set the keyword in the setup screen like this:

keywords = S

then I try to mark some message using this keyword, but the only thing
which is happening is the message:

Cannot add keywords for this folder

I try to do this for a different folders and still the same result.
Can somebody tell me what is wrong with this keywords?

Regards,
Murphy

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Hi,

I have a problem regarding PINE's attempt to automatically use CRAM-MD5
when the server advertises it:

My own mailserver has a few accounts, which do not support CRAM-MD5 among
a majority of other ones (basically all shell accounts). I have decided to
keep the CRAM-MD5 in the capabilities of the IMAP server, as more then 95%
of the users can use it, and the remaining 5% are all people that can deal
with the situation, such as me ;-).

Regarding Pine, (tested with 4.58), the disable-these-authenticators
directive in the .pinerc works fine in general. I run into troubles while
using a remote pinerc with the -p command line switch. Of course, the
disable... config directive in my local .pinerc is now ommited, so I have
tried adding the same directive at the commandline (using
- -disable-these-authenticators=CRAM-MD5) and into the systemwide pinerc
(using the line "disable-these-authenticators=CRAM-MD5"). Neither of the
two actually did change the behavoir of PINE when trying to load the
remote configuration.

Here are the parts that seem to be interesting from a -d 7 log file:

- ---cut---
Global config: /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
Personal config: {localhost/user=torben}INBOX.internal.pine.remote_pinerc
..
reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf"
Read 911 characters:
disable-these-authen : CRAM-MD5
user-domain : nehmer.net
smtp-server : localhost
character-set : ISO-8859-15
rsh-open-timeout : 0
ssh-open-timeout : 0
..
pine_mail_open: opening "{localhost/user=torben}INBOX.internal.pine.remote_pinerc" (stream was NULL) flag=0x0
same_stream: {localhost/user=torben}INBOX.internal.pine.remote_pinerc == NULL
same_stream: no dice
IMAP 11:33:25 7/23 mm_log babble: Trying IP address [127.0.0.1]
IMAP 11:33:30 7/23 mm_log warning: Retrying CRAM-MD5 authentication after Login failed.
=== optionally_enter called ===
IMAP 11:33:38 7/23 mm_log warning: Retrying CRAM-MD5 authentication after Login failed.
=== optionally_enter called ===
IMAP 11:33:52 7/23 mm_log error: Can not authenticate to IMAP server: Login failed.
IMAP 11:33:52 7/23 mm_notify bye: {localhost/user=torben}INBOX.internal.pine.remote_pinerc (?) : Courier-IMAP server shutting down
- ---cut---

I can verify this behavoir both with 4.58 and 4.61.

Are there any other ways of getting this working? Perhaps a hidden command
to influence the authenticator used per-server? It seems like a bug to
me, that the global configuration is ignored at this point. Or did I miss
something really trivial ?

Live long and prosper!
Torben Nehmer

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FROM DR.MIKE ASIEKE
DIRECTOR INCHARGE OF
AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT,
CONTINENTAL TRUST BANK,
COTONOU-BENIN REPUBLIC

ATTN: MY FRIEND

Pleasure writing to you at this moment of the day, I am DR.MIKE ASIEKE,
the director incharge of auditing and accounting Unit of Continental
Trust Bank in Cotonou-Benin Republic. I and my colleagues deem it fit
to contact you regarding to a transaction that will favour both of us
at the end, and i got your contact in my search for a reputable and
reliable person to help me claim the fund in question.

We discovered the sum of eight million one hundred thousand United
States Dollars (USD8.1M) belonging to a deceased customer of this bank.
The fund has been lying in a suspence account without anybody coming to
put claim over the money since the account owner late Mr. Mohamed Mohd
from libanon, who was involved in the December 25th Benin plane crash.
Here is the air crash website=
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/12/26/benin.crash/index.html
The said fund is now ready for transfer to a foriegn account whose
owner will be portrayed as the beneficiary and next of kin to the
deceased customer of the bank.

The foriegn account owner will impost himself as the next of kin to the
deceased and respond positively like a true next of kin who wishes to
speed up the release and transfer of his inherited fund. If the over
due fund if not claimed by the end of next quarter, the government of
the Federal Republic of Benin will take over the ownership of the fund
in line with the Federal Edict Act of 1979. We do not want the
government to take over the ownership of this money, that is why I
contacted you for us to do the deal together, so that we will portray
you as the bonafide next of kin to the deceased whose name is Mr.
Mohamed mohd.

If you accept to carry out this project with us, we will offer you 30%
of the total sum, while I and my colleagues involved will take 70% of
the total sum.Upon your acceptance to do this deal with us, we will
jointly effect the transfer within eight working days.
Be rest assured that, this transaction carries no risk and no extra
responssibilities on your part, except the above mentioned roles and
normally you will be required to maintain absolute information and
absolute secrecy throughout the duration of this transaction, because
discussing it with a third party might jeopardise the entire
transaction.

I am looking forward to receiving your interesting response on this
project as this will greatly enrich the both of us at the end. please
You may contact me throughmy private email: or phone
[email protected]

BEST REGARDS,
DR MIKE ASIEKE
[email protected]
+229 94 31 55

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Hiya,

I remember this being discussed earlier but didn't find an easy
solution. In 4.61 under debian linux with a system character
set of UTF-8. Many messages are received fine, but I get
a lot that are windows-1252, iso-8859-1, etc.

The side effects I'm experiencing are that some messages
converted internally by pine lose things like apostrophes.
If I have pass-control-characters-as-is and the c1 checked,
then they render like ~R etc. Also when I forward a message
in another character set some users then have problems.

Suggestions?

-James

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Dear Friend,

This business proposal to you is strictly Confidential, with due
respect.
Sorry at this perceived confusion or stress you may have by receiving
this letter from me, Since we have not known ourselves or met previously.
Despite that, I am constrained to write you this letter because of the urgency
involved.

I am Mrs. Rose Khobe, the wife of late Gen.Maxwell Khobe former ECOMOG
[West African Peace-Keeping Force] Commander who died in the Sierra Leone
civil Disturbances[War]. My three Children and I are trapped in obnoxious
custom traditional rites. We have Suffered maltreatment and untold hardship in
the Hands of my late husbands family, simply because I did not Bear a male
child for my late husband by tradition, All that my husband had,[wealth]
belongs to his Brothers/family, while myself has to be married by his
Immediate younger brother.

They have taken all that I suffered with my husband to acquire
including Treasure, Houses whereby, his bank accounts were closed by his family
members. I wanted to escape to the United State of America [USA} with my children
on exile, but again they conspired and stole my international passport
and other traveling documents to further frustrate me. Thank God, two weeks
ago, I received Key Text Code [KTC} from SECURITIES COMPANY, that my
husband deposited U.S $15 Million [Fifteen Million United States Dollars] cash with this company. It has therefore, become very necessary and urgent to contact someone, from a foreign country like you to help me receive/secure these funds overseas also to help and invest it on our behalf as well, while we find a way of getting out to meet
with you in your country. These funds are kept on a CODE with the Securities Company to avoid detection, seizure or a diversion I have had several telephone discussions
with the Assistant Director of the Securities company who has express willingness
to help me on meeting the company�s demand.

This is why I have contacted you to help save my children and, receive
these funds on our behalf. But, you would need to give me sufficient
assurance that if you help me out, you would not divert the funds. My children
and I have resolved to give you 20% of the total sum. This is all my children and I have got to live on. Please, I have reposed my confidence in you and hope you will not disappoint me.

I will forward to you the contact particulars of the assistant director
so that you can contact him and ask the possibility of receiving this
fund on our behalf as the sole beneficiary, I look forward to your response.

Best Regards,

Mrs. Rose Khobe.

NB: Please response to this email address :- [email protected]

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, James Cummings wrote:

> The side effects I'm experiencing are that some messages
> converted internally by pine lose things like apostrophes.

Real apostrophes, or those stupid Windows ones?

-Kenny

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, James Cummings wrote:
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>> The side effects I'm experiencing are that some messages
>> converted internally by pine lose things like apostrophes.
>
>Real apostrophes, or those stupid Windows ones?

Blaming this on Windows isn't correct.

I'm basically positive he's referring to "smart quotes" aka "curly quotes"
which aren't in the regular ASCII set.. They turn into Rs and Ss, for example.

I hate 'em too, but they're becoming more prevalent.

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> Blaming this on Windows isn't correct.
> I'm basically positive he's referring to "smart quotes" aka "curly quotes"
> which aren't in the regular ASCII set.. They turn into Rs and Ss, for example.

Blaming this on Windows is entirely correct- instead of making those be
high-byte or Unicode characters, MS co-opted plain-vanilla control
characters (you're actually seeing "Ctrl-R" and "Ctrl-T" (or the like))
for their "smart" apostrophes.

-Kenny

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
>> Blaming this on Windows isn't correct.
>> I'm basically positive he's referring to "smart quotes" aka "curly quotes"
>> which aren't in the regular ASCII set.. They turn into Rs and Ss, for example.
>
>Blaming this on Windows is entirely correct- instead of making those be
>high-byte or Unicode characters, MS co-opted plain-vanilla control
>characters (you're actually seeing "Ctrl-R" and "Ctrl-T" (or the like))
>for their "smart" apostrophes.

Then you're talking about something completely different.

Smart quotes I'm talking about (and typed with option keys on Macs for example)
have the high bit set, and when *stripping* the high bit, you end up seeing
Rs and Ss.. and I think these smart quotes were on the Mac before Windows,
that was kind of my implication about "blame".

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> >On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
> >
> >> Blaming this on Windows isn't correct.
> >> I'm basically positive he's referring to "smart quotes" aka "curly quotes"
> >> which aren't in the regular ASCII set.. They turn into Rs and Ss, for example.
> >
> >Blaming this on Windows is entirely correct- instead of making those be
> >high-byte or Unicode characters, MS co-opted plain-vanilla control
> >characters (you're actually seeing "Ctrl-R" and "Ctrl-T" (or the like))
> >for their "smart" apostrophes.
>
> Then you're talking about something completely different.
>
> Smart quotes I'm talking about (and typed with option keys on Macs for example)
> have the high bit set, and when *stripping* the high bit, you end up seeing
> Rs and Ss.. and I think these smart quotes were on the Mac before Windows,
> that was kind of my implication about "blame".

Whatever fault-laying exercises might be undertaken, yes, I think they
are probably windows smart quotes from windows code pages in this
instance.

I'd just like to be able to read the email with all the characters the
user sent. But because I read from all sorts of different ssh
connections, pine is great for me and I don't want to switch. (Hrmmm
does mutt have this problem?) So, rather than laying blame, is there
a way for me to stop this? I usually read from a debian linux machine
that is my desktop machine, so I can install extra locales if that helps
(but doesn't seem to have), or anything else needed.

Or is it a problem that can't be solved?

-James

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Dr. Arthur M.
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I am the Director in charge of Overseas investments in The Petroleum Oil and Gas Corporation of South Africa (PetroSA).We have been trying to pay the heirs of one A. ADAMS, a citizen of the United States of America who has huge shares in our company for over Sixty years.This investment has been on since the apartheid regime. During the last
management meetings of our Corporation we realized that the monetary shares equivalent of the presumed deceased person is up to ($40,000,000.00) Million USD.
All attempts to locate the heirs of the above named person is abortive since he didn't state any next of kin in his shares' certificate. If you can stand as the heir, we have all the paperwork in place to tranfer all the money to your designated account; but you shall only be entitled to 30% of the total amount, we keep 60% and 10% will be used towards offsetting any cost. If you are interested, send us an email to enable us work out modalities to make this transfer possible.
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Dr. Arthur M.
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I am the Director in charge of Overseas investments in The Petroleum Oil and Gas Corporation of South Africa (PetroSA).We have been trying to pay the heirs of one A. ADAMS, a citizen of the United States of America who has huge shares in our company for over Sixty years.This investment has been on since the apartheid regime. During the last
management meetings of our Corporation we realized that the monetary shares equivalent of the presumed deceased person is up to ($40,000,000.00) Million USD.
All attempts to locate the heirs of the above named person is abortive since he didn't state any next of kin in his shares' certificate. If you can stand as the heir, we have all the paperwork in place to tranfer all the money to your designated account; but you shall only be entitled to 30% of the total amount, we keep 60% and 10% will be used towards offsetting any cost. If you are interested, send us an email to enable us work out modalities to make this transfer possible.
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From Queen Solomon.
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Date BUSINESS ASSISTANCE.
Dearest, Permit me to inform you of my desire of going in to business relationship with you, for brief introduction.
I am Mrs QUEEN SOLOMON the wife of late Mrs. HASAN SOLOMON. My husband was a very wealthy cocoa and Gold merchant in Abidjan , the economic capital of Ivory coast, my husband was poissoned to death by his business associates on one of their outings on a business trip.Before my husband died on November 2000 in a private hospital here in Abidjan, he secretly called me on his sick bed side and told me that he left a trunk box that contained the sum of seven million five hundred thousand United State Dollars. USD ($7.500,000) left in a private security company as a family a effect not as money for security reasons here in Abidjan here
Now because of the political crisis in Ivory Coast last two years 23rd October 2000 during the president Robert Guei regime on the presidential election which was won by President Laurent Gbagbo after all it became a massaccar between the two parties RDR and FPI because of the discrimination between the two parties, so for the security of this fund I instructed the security company to move the fund to their branch office in Europe .
My husband also told me that he used my son's name as his only son for the next of Kin in depositing of the box.He also explained to me that it was because of this wealth that he was poissoned by his business associates. That I should seek for a foreign partner in a country of my choice where I will transfer this money and use it for investment purpose such as real estate management or hotel management .
Sir, I am honourably seeking your assistance in transferring of this money to your nominated account oversea. As soon as this money is out from the security company in Europe, So I want you to assist me in this following ways.
(1)you shall make arrangement for me to come over to your country for the investment of this money.
(2)you shall serve as a guardian of this fund since I am woman, moreover,
Sir I am willing to offer you 15% of the total sum as your compensation for your effort input after the succesful transfer of this fund in your nominated account oversea.
Further more, you indicate your option towords assisting me. Contact me through the above email address as I believe that this transaction would concluded within fourteen
(14) days you signify interest to assist me. Anticipating to hear from you soonest.
Thanks and God bless .
Best regards.
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Hello all,
I have a problem testing the OpenSSL functionality of pine.

Problem Description
1) I am working on HPUX platform

2) I created selfsigned certificate cert.pem and placed openssl certs directory

3) added
imaps stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/imapd imapd
to the file /etc/inetd.conf

4)modified the /etc/services entry as
imaps 993/tcp

5)Restarted inetd
/sbin/init.d/inetd stop
/sbin/init.d/inetd start

6)Edited the inbox path as
inbox-path={myserver.com/ssl/novalidate-cert}INBOX

7) Started pine
pine

8) I got the following error
There was an SSL/TLS failure for the server
The reason for the failure was SSL negotiation failed

What might be the cause for this error ?

regards,
Prakash

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>              I
have a problem testing the OpenSSL functionality of pine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>Problem Description</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1) I  am working on HPUX platform</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) I created selfsigned certificate
<STRONG>cert.pem</STRONG> and placed<STRONG> openssl certs</STRONG>
directory</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3) added</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG> imaps    
stream     tcp    
nowait     root    
/usr/sbin/imapd      imapd<FONT
face=Arial,Helvetica><FONT size=-1></FONT></FONT> </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> to the file 
<STRONG> /etc/inetd.conf </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4)modified the /etc/services entry as </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>   imaps    
993/tcp</FONT> </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>5)Restarted inetd</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>/sbin/init.d/inetd
stop</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial,Helvetica><FONT size=-1>
/sbin/init.d/inetd start</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial,Helvetica><FONT
size=-1></FONT></FONT> </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>6)Edited the inbox path as </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2><STRONG>inbox-path={myserver.com/ssl/novalidate-cert}INBOX<FONT
face=Arial,Helvetica><FONT size=-1></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>7) Started pine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>   pine</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>8) I got the following error</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>There was an SSL/TLS failure for the
server</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>The reason for the failure
was</STRONG></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>  SSL negotiation
failed<BR></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>What might be the cause for this error
?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Prakash</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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My university is upgrading from pine 4.33 to 4.60. i have two
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1) Will they need to push a new .pinrc to each user because of the new
available options, or can they just update the symbolic link to
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2) Should I try to get them to go to 4.61 for any reason, like broken
functionality in 4.60?

thanks

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*** kwhite ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on...:

:) 1) Will they need to push a new .pinrc to each user because of the new
:) available options, or can they just update the symbolic link to
:) 'pine'.

Kevin,

There is no need to update the .pinerc file, it updates on its own.

:) 2) Should I try to get them to go to 4.61 for any reason, like broken
:) functionality in 4.60?

Yes, there are some bugs in 4.60 which make Pine crash, which were fixed
in 4.61, so it's better to use this new version than the old one. You can
read the release notes in

http://www.washington.edu/pine/changes.html

click on the changes from 4.60 to 4.61 to get you an idea of what issues
were found in 4.60.

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I sent this to Mark Crispin this morning but I'll toss it out to all of you
as well. Maybe someone has some ideas. Thanks.

Don Newcomer
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:52:19 -0400 (EDT)
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Mark, I've monkeyed around enough that I _finally_ managed to get the Pine
4.61 suite to build under HP/UX 11.22. The only problem I'm seeing now is
with IMAP. It built fine but I can't seem to connect to it from IE. When
I telnet to port 143 on my Tru64 UNIX box (and IMAP works to this box) I
get this:

* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=LOGIN] falcon.dickinson.edu IMAP
4rev1 2003.339 at Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:49:03 -0400 (EDT)

However, on my HP/UX box I get this:

* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=LOGIN] falcon2
IMAP4rev1 2004.352 at Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:49:52 -0400 (EDT)

I think the whole problem is that reference to SASL. I did a build with
"NOSSL" specified. Is there something else I need to do to keep SASL out
of the picture?

Don Newcomer
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There is this handy save rule that says Pine should try to find the "nick"
in the addressbook for the sender/from of the message.

It would be very nice if one for one person could list alternate address
(non-primary) that this rule would match against.
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Never mind. The issues was a DNS resolution problem on the PC side.
IMAP's working fine.

Don Newcomer
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Infrastructure Systems Department
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Dickinson College
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Don Newcomer wrote:

> I sent this to Mark Crispin this morning but I'll toss it out to all of you
> as well. Maybe someone has some ideas. Thanks.
>
> Don Newcomer
> Senior Manager, Systems
> Infrastructure Systems Department
> Library and Information Services
> Dickinson College
> P.O. Box 1773
> Carlisle, PA 17013
> 717-245-1256 (Voice)
> 717-245-1690 (FAX)
> [email protected]
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:52:19 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Don Newcomer <[email protected]>
> To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
> Subject: IMAP on HP/UX
>
> Mark, I've monkeyed around enough that I _finally_ managed to get the Pine
> 4.61 suite to build under HP/UX 11.22. The only problem I'm seeing now is
> with IMAP. It built fine but I can't seem to connect to it from IE. When
> I telnet to port 143 on my Tru64 UNIX box (and IMAP works to this box) I
> get this:
>
> * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=LOGIN] falcon.dickinson.edu IMAP
> 4rev1 2003.339 at Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:49:03 -0400 (EDT)
>
> However, on my HP/UX box I get this:
>
> * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=LOGIN] falcon2
> IMAP4rev1 2004.352 at Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:49:52 -0400 (EDT)
>
> I think the whole problem is that reference to SASL. I did a build with
> "NOSSL" specified. Is there something else I need to do to keep SASL out
> of the picture?
>
> Don Newcomer
> Senior Manager, Systems
> Infrastructure Systems Department
> Library and Information Services
> Dickinson College
> P.O. Box 1773
> Carlisle, PA 17013
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> [email protected]
>

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Hi,

I would like to be able to change what role I'm using
to send a message at the editing screen (i.e. to/from/subject,
etc.) without needing to manually edit the To/From fields.

I know in most cases you can choose what role you want to
compose with when starting a message from scratch, but
I don't seem to be offered this option of changing roles
when replying to a message. Nor, when is often the case,
I use the 'mailing list management' option on the bottom
of messages to post to a mailing list (as I am at the moment
with this very list) since I never remember what address
to post to. :-) I read a lot of mailing lists that will only
let me post from the address I subscribed from - sometimes an
entirely unique address for that mailing list alone - and to
change thing manually for each reply is tedious. Does that
make sense? Any reason why this can't be done? Have I missed
something?

-James

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*** James Cummings ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) I know in most cases you can choose what role you want to compose with
:) when starting a message from scratch, but I don't seem to be offered
:) this option of changing roles when replying to a message.

James,

There is a feature in Pine4.61 which would help you do this. It is
called "alternate-role-menu", which when enabled allows you to choose a
role when you reply to a message. It works as follows: If you enable it,
you can press "#" to choose a role, but you have the option to choose
either to forward, compose or reply to the current message using the
selected role.

:) Nor, when is often the case, I use the 'mailing list management'
:) option on the bottom of messages to post to a mailing list (as I am at
:) the moment with this very list) since I never remember what address to
:) post to.

This requires that you be able to choose a role when you compose a message
by following a mailto: link. You can do that only if you apply a patch
which you can get from my web page (it requires, though, that you do not
redefine what to do with a mailto: link using a scheme. This has to do
with the configuration option url-viewers, and most people have not done
this).

--
Eduardo
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I agree that this would be a nice feature.. however, I sub under many
addresses to different lists.. and in my role definitions, I include body
searches for those addresses.. so when I reply, it automatically selects that
role.

It is tedius if you are configuring many roles.. but at the same time, if you
are going through the hassle of setting up the roles.. might as well add the
search information in there.

I use something like.. I have a couple of lists that dont seem to get caught
quite right, so i put something unique from their headers in there to also
snag on those:

AllText pattern = [email protected]
[Broken-List]
[Someother-List]

Also.. you can configure pine to ask if you want to use a certain role when
you hit reply.

> I would like to be able to change what role I'm using
> to send a message at the editing screen (i.e. to/from/subject,
> etc.) without needing to manually edit the To/From fields.
>
> I know in most cases you can choose what role you want to
> compose with when starting a message from scratch, but
> I don't seem to be offered this option of changing roles
> when replying to a message. Nor, when is often the case,

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Erik Parker wrote:

>
> I agree that this would be a nice feature.. however, I sub under many
> addresses to different lists.. and in my role definitions, I include body
> searches for those addresses.. so when I reply, it automatically selects that
> role.
>
> It is tedius if you are configuring many roles.. but at the same time, if you
> are going through the hassle of setting up the roles.. might as well add the
> search information in there.

I've tried that and never had much success, must be something I'm doing
wrong - I'll try the AllText patten

Thanks,
James

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** James Cummings ([email protected]) wrote today:
>
> :) I know in most cases you can choose what role you want to compose with
> :) when starting a message from scratch, but I don't seem to be offered
> :) this option of changing roles when replying to a message.
>
> James,
>
> There is a feature in Pine4.61 which would help you do this. It is
> called "alternate-role-menu", which when enabled allows you to choose a
> role when you reply to a message. It works as follows: If you enable it,
> you can press "#" to choose a role, but you have the option to choose
> either to forward, compose or reply to the current message using the
> selected role.

I should have been clearer. I know about alternate-role-menu and use
that when I compose. However, when replying to a message from a mailing
list, where there are usually multiple recipients, pine asks "Reply to
all recipients?" and when I say yes, takes me straight into editing
the message without a chance to say what role to use. (This message
is an example, sent to you and to the list, where althought
alternate-role-menu is on, I wasn't given a chance anywhere to hit '#')
And yes, I know what I should be doing is hitting '#' and then selecting
reply, and then the role, but I so very often select 'r' instead of '#'
since I'm *thinking* 'reply'. If I was able to change role easily in
the editing screen, it wouldn't matter. Just like if I selected
'#'->reply->role->edit and then wanted to change the role because I'd
changed my mind ;-)

> This requires that you be able to choose a role when you compose a message
> by following a mailto: link. You can do that only if you apply a patch
> which you can get from my web page (it requires, though, that you do not
> redefine what to do with a mailto: link using a scheme. This has to do
> with the configuration option url-viewers, and most people have not done
> this).

Ok, if I understand that, (but don't want to mess about with
patches...).

-James

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*** James Cummings ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) > There is a feature in Pine4.61 which would help you do this. It is
:) > called "alternate-role-menu", which when enabled allows you to choose
:) > a role when you reply to a message. It works as follows: If you
:) > enable it, you can press "#" to choose a role, but you have the
:) > option to choose either to forward, compose or reply to the current
:) > message using the selected role.
:)
:) I should have been clearer. I know about alternate-role-menu and use
:) that when I compose. However, when replying to a message from a
:) mailing list, where there are usually multiple recipients, pine asks
:) "Reply to all recipients?" and when I say yes, takes me straight into
:) editing the message without a chance to say what role to use.

James,

You were clear from the start. I understood your problem. I was
suggesting a work around. What you want is not really possible, you've
already chosen a role (or none) when you are in the composer, and that can
not be changed (it's like saying "I don't want to get wet" when you are
already inside the pool). I think there are good reasons so that this can
not be done at that stage. For example it's not possible to change your
signature, and less do it if you use an alternate editor, etc.

If you were willing to choose a role when you press "R" to reply to the
message, I would suggest you a patch, but that does not seem to be what
you want to do either, so I guess the answer is that it is not possible to
do what you want.

--
Eduardo
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On 27 Jul 2004 Erik Parker ([email protected]) wrote:
> I agree that this would be a nice feature..

I also would like to be able to change the role while in the
midst of composing. FYI, Mulbery, the other decent IMAP client,
can do this.

> Also.. you can configure pine to ask if you want to use a certain role when
> you hit reply.

Yes, try setting this in your feature list:

[X] alternate-compose-menu

And then you'll get something like this when you type 'R' to
Reply:

Use role "nm-public" for Reply?
? Help Y [Yes] ^T To Select Alternate Role
^C Cancel N No, use default settings

And you can type ^T to choose a role. There are some other
features that can be used to change the way the Reply prompts
work so you might need to experiment with a bunch of features
until you get a config you're happy with.

HTH,
Nancy
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On 28 Jul 2004 Nancy McGough ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> [X] alternate-compose-menu
>
> And you can type ^T to choose a role. There are some other
> features that can be used to change the way the Reply prompts
> work so you might need to experiment with a bunch of features
> until you get a config you're happy with.

Another feature that you might want to use is this:

[ ] confirm-role-even-for-default

I have this unset, but you might like it. I have some Tips for
Role Playing here:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/#roleTips>

which might give you more ideas for how to get a config you're
happy with. I need to update that section so it discusses the
4.61 features, e.g., using a role to bounce forward (B) a
message.

Nancy
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Dear Sir,
I Mr.Jark Dudu with full legal and Corporate responsibility and under penalty of perjury with full knowledge of the act of fraud and as a seller am ready,willing and able to deliver the herein offered (AU) Metal under the following terms and conditions:

Commoodity :A.U.Metal (Gold) of unrefined Dust and Bars.
Purity :96,75%
Impurity :03,25%
Quality :22 Karate Plus
Quantity :500Kg. (200 Kg Bars and 300Kg Dust)
Price :5,200 USD per Kg.
Origin : Ghana
Destination : Benin Clearing Agent Cotonou
Packing :Stored in Metal Box for safe keeping.
Documents available : Certificate of Origin,Certificate of Ownership and SGS report.
Method of payment :20% of the total value must be paid by the buyer and ballance

to be paid at buyer's destination after refining.

Note: The payment of 20% is to settle all expenses and to process the necessary
documents.
Documentations ;Will be completed by clearing agent inspected and stamped
by appropriated Authorities.
The buyer along with the seller will escort the Gold to an appropriated bonded ware
house in buyer's destination for completion and outstanding ballance of 80%.
Buyer must come to Cotonou - Benin to control all the quantity,test the quality and
sign Agreement with the seller.
I stand ready to your questions and proposed informations as to this regards.
I am prepared to answer any questions and furnish you with more informations you might need from me.
Regards
Mr.Jark Dudu

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<DIV><STRONG>Dear Sir,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I Mr.Jark Dudu with full legal and Corporate responsibility and under penalty of perjury with full knowledge of the act of fraud and as a seller am ready,willing and able to deliver the herein offered (AU) Metal under the following terms and conditions:</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Commoodity            :A.U.Metal (Gold) of unrefined Dust and Bars.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Purity                      :96,75%</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Impurity                   :03,25%</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Quality                     :22 Karate Plus</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Quantity                   :500Kg. (200 Kg Bars and 300Kg Dust)</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Price                        :5,200 USD per Kg.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Origin                       : Ghana</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Destination               : Benin Clearing Agent Cotonou</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Packing                    :Stored in Metal Box for safe keeping.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Documents available  : Certificate of Origin,Certificate of Ownership and SGS  report.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Method of payment    :20% of the total value must be paid by the buyer and ballance</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>                                 </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>to be paid at buyer's destination after refining.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Note: The payment of 20% is to settle all expenses and to process the necessary </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>documents.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Documentations        ;Will be completed by clearing agent inspected and stamped </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>by appropriated Authorities.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>The buyer along with the seller will escort the Gold to an appropriated bonded ware </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>house in buyer's destination for completion and outstanding ballance of 80%.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Buyer must come to Cotonou - Benin to control all the quantity,test the quality and </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>sign Agreement with the seller.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I stand ready to your questions and proposed informations as to this regards.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I am prepared to answer any questions and furnish you with more informations you might need from me.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Regards</STRONG></DIV>
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Nancy McGough wrote:

> I also would like to be able to change the role while in the
> midst of composing. FYI, Mulbery, the other decent IMAP client,
> can do this.

Thanks to Nancy and Eduardo for their suggestions.

I guess the reason it bothers me not to be able to change
role once in composing and editing, is that when I
go to send Pine prompts me with:
Send Message (as [email protected])?

Really, I guess it is at this point that an alarm bell
goes off in my head and I say "No, I don't want to send
it as that address....but oh, how can I change it now?"

Patching is probably the answer, Eduardo is right, I'm
just too lazy to remember to repatch stuff when I upgrade, etc.

-James
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*** Nancy McGough ([email protected]) wrote in...:

:) > Also.. you can configure pine to ask if you want to use a certain
:) > role when you hit reply.
:)
:) Yes, try setting this in your feature list:
:)
:) [X] alternate-compose-menu
:)
:) And then you'll get something like this when you type 'R' to Reply:
:)
:) Use role "nm-public" for Reply?
:) ? Help Y [Yes] ^T To Select Alternate Role
:) ^C Cancel N No, use default settings

This is not correct, this menu does not appear because of the feature
alternate-compose-menu, this menu appears because the role is used with
confirmation. The alternate-compose-menu setting has to do with what
happens after you press "C" to compose, not after pressing "R", "F" or
"#". I like it a lot.

I have information on this in my web page

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/pine-info/roles/#compose

Maybe one way in which James can get the prompt you suggest is if he edits
all his roles to be used with confirmation for reply use, plus add a role
at the end that matches everything that is still used with confirmation.
It would be an ugly work around but it would work.

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Hello!

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, James Cummings wrote:

> I would like to be able to change what role I'm using
> to send a message at the editing screen (i.e. to/from/subject,
> etc.) without needing to manually edit the To/From fields.
I need this feature too! My case: I have different SMTP servers
for different roles. So, If I make a mistake in SMTP server name or
parameters in role, message will never be sent, because I can't change
role after I compose a message!

Bye. Alex.

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> You were clear from the start. I understood your problem. I was
>suggesting a work around. What you want is not really possible, you've
>already chosen a role (or none) when you are in the composer, and that can
>not be changed (it's like saying "I don't want to get wet" when you are
>already inside the pool).

I don't use any of this role stuff, but from an outside perspective, being
able to change this on the fly seems useful. Now, the steps necessary
in a theoretical implementation _might_ be almost as tedious as just
starting over.

But the main reason was the following..

>For example it's not possible to change your signature, and less do it if you
>use an alternate editor, etc.

I must be misunderstanding this..

###--
###top-posting: It's just a bad idea.

That's my signature (I added the ###s) in the message, and I can edit it
just fine. I am using an alternate editor. Now, if you mean you
can't change your signature permanently while editing the current
message, yeah..

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On 28 Jul 2004 Eduardo Chappa ([email protected]) wrote:
> :)
> :) Use role "nm-public" for Reply?
> :) ? Help Y [Yes] ^T To Select Alternate Role
> :) ^C Cancel N No, use default settings
>
> This is not correct, this menu does not appear because of the feature
> alternate-compose-menu, this menu appears because the role is used with
> confirmation.

Thanks for the correction Eduardo. I have all my roles set up to
to be used "With confirmation" on Reply, Forward, or Compose and
it's been so long since I set them up that I forgot about that
aspect of my config. This is another thing that I need to add to
my "Tips for Role Playing."

Thanks,
Nancy
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, David Coppit wrote:

:) How does pine sort subjects? It looks to me like it ignores "Re:" and
:) "[blah]" at the front of subjects. What other rules are there? Is there
:) any way to sort so that it doesn't ignore these?

Pine also ignores "(fwd)" and some ENGLISH variations of that string too,
that's part of the algorithm used for sorting, and there's nothing you can
do about it, unless you manually edit that header.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, David Coppit wrote:
> How does pine sort subjects? It looks to me like it ignores "Re:" and
> "[blah]" at the front of subjects. What other rules are there? Is there
> any way to sort so that it doesn't ignore these?

Do you mean you want it to not ignore "Re:" or some other possibly unknown
to you subject prefixes?

Basically, I don't want to limit someone's configurability (I think
lots of settings/preferences are GOOD, though I do agree that very often they
can/should be separated into simple/advanced settings)... but if it IS
Re: you want to ignore, I am kind of curious why.

Though I guess with real thread sorting nowadays you wouldn't sort by
thread to sort of approximate threading.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> Basically, I don't want to limit someone's configurability (I think
> lots of settings/preferences are GOOD, though I do agree that very often they
> can/should be separated into simple/advanced settings)... but if it IS
> Re: you want to ignore, I am kind of curious why.

I tag viruses and spam using [SPAM] and [VIRUS]. I'd like to deal with all
the spam first, then all the viruses. I think I can just use {SPAM} and
{VIRUS} instead and pine will sort them like I want--I'll test it out.

David

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, David Coppit wrote:

> I tag viruses and spam using [SPAM] and [VIRUS]. I'd like to deal with
> all the spam first, then all the viruses. I think I can just use {SPAM}
> and {VIRUS} instead and pine will sort them like I want--I'll test it
> out.

The real irritation of this feature comes when trying to sort mail from
mailing lists which use [list] or [list:nnnn] at the beginning of the
subject header. You can't sort the items in order of the nnnn number
because the stuff in brackets is ignored. I know, normally date or
arrival order should take care of this, but sometimes it doesn't.

Freda Birnbaum, [email protected]
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On 29 Jul 2004 David Coppit ([email protected]) wrote:
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> I tag viruses and spam using [SPAM] and [VIRUS]. I'd like to deal with all
> the spam first, then all the viruses. I think I can just use {SPAM} and
> {VIRUS} instead and pine will sort them like I want--I'll test it out.

Sorting square bracketed text in the Subject is not just a pine
issue, but a genereal IMAP issue. I discuss this on my Reverse
Spam Filtering page in this section:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/spam/#implementationMine>

--- begin excerpt ---
One of the keys to my deflexion strategy is to have the spam
score (_HITS_) inserted into the beginning of the Subject header.
This makes it easy to order messages by score because I can
simply do a sort-by-subject in my mail client. I recommend that
you surround the Subject tag with braces (squiggly brackets)
because 1) these tagged Subjects will then sort below almost all
other Subjects when the Subjects are sorted using an ASCII sort
(because { is charcter 123 out of 127); and 2) a popular
alternative, square brackets, will not work in an IMAP sort
because the IMAP sort and thread specification says to ignore
text that is in square brackets during a sort. If you want to
muck around with the format of the _HITS_ token, see Keith C.
Ivey's message Re: adding SPAM hits score to headers in the SA
mailing list.
--- end excerpt ---

The web page version of the above contains lots of links to
relevant information. Another issue to be aware of is that Pine
can display IMAP keywords in the MESSAGE INDEX screen and it
surrounds those with squiggly brackets and prepends them to the
Subject field. So you might want to use something other than
squiggly brackets to distinguish your tags from IMAP keywords.
(Or you could just use IMAP keywords for all this!)

For now, I'm putting the spam score in the Cc: header and have
set up my Pine index-format so it includes 'CC'. I just posted
about this yesterday in the SpamAssassin list here:

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/54089>

It's all quite bogus -- I hope there are standards for Spam and
Virus headers soon!

Nancy
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Nancy McGough wrote:

> --- begin excerpt ---
> One of the keys to my deflexion strategy is to have the spam score (_HITS_)
> inserted into the beginning of the Subject header. This makes it easy to
> order messages by score because I can simply do a sort-by-subject in my mail
> client. I recommend that you surround the Subject tag with braces (squiggly
> brackets) because 1) these tagged Subjects will then sort below almost all
> other Subjects when the Subjects are sorted using an ASCII sort (because { is
> charcter 123 out of 127); and 2) a popular alternative, square brackets, will
> not work in an IMAP sort because the IMAP sort and thread specification says
> to ignore text that is in square brackets during a sort. If you want to muck
> around with the format of the _HITS_ token, see Keith C. Ivey's message Re:
> adding SPAM hits score to headers in the SA mailing list.
> --- end excerpt ---

For what it's worth, you can use patterns to set the scores of the email
in pine, then sort by score. Unfortunately, it's tedious without pattern
matching. Here's a bit from my .pinerc:

patterns-scores2=LIT:pattern="/NICK=Spam 10/ARBX-Spam-Status=hits=1.,hits=2.,hit
s=3.,hits=4.,hits=5.,hits=6.,hits=7.,hits=8.,hits=9./FLDTYPE=EMAIL" action="/ISS
CORE=1/SCORE=10",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=Spam 20/ARBX-Spam-Status=hits=10.,hits=11.,hits=12.,h
its=13.,hits=14.,hits=15.,hits=16.,hits=17.,hits=18.,hits=19./FLDTYPE=EMAIL" act
ion="/ISSCORE=1/SCORE=20",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=Spam 30/ARBX-Spam-Status=hits=20.,hits=21.,hits=22.,h
its=23.,hits=24.,hits=25.,hits=26.,hits=27.,hits=28.,hits=29./FLDTYPE=EMAIL" act
ion="/ISSCORE=1/SCORE=30",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=Spam 40/ARBX-Spam-Status=hits=30.,hits=31.,hits=32.,h
its=33.,hits=34.,hits=35.,hits=36.,hits=37.,hits=38.,hits=39./FLDTYPE=EMAIL" act
ion="/ISSCORE=1/SCORE=40",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=Spam 50/ARBX-Spam-Status=hits=40.,hits=41.,hits=42.,h
its=43.,hits=44.,hits=45.,hits=46.,hits=47.,hits=48.,hits=49./FLDTYPE=EMAIL" act
ion="/ISSCORE=1/SCORE=50",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=Spam 60/ARBX-Spam-Status=hits=50.,hits=51.,hits=52.,h
its=53.,hits=54.,hits=55.,hits=56.,hits=57.,hits=58.,hits=59./FLDTYPE=EMAIL" act
ion="/ISSCORE=1/SCORE=50",
LIT:pattern="/NICK=Spam 70/ARBX-Spam-Status=hits=60.,hits=61.,hits=62.,h
its=63.,hits=64.,hits=65.,hits=66.,hits=67.,hits=68.,hits=69./FLDTYPE=EMAIL" act
ion="/ISSCORE=1/SCORE=50"

David

_____________________________________________________________________
David Coppit [email protected]
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On Jul 30, Nancy McGough ([email protected]...:

Nancy: On 29 Jul 2004 David Coppit ([email protected]) wrote:
Nancy: >
Nancy: > I tag viruses and spam using [SPAM] and [VIRUS]. I'd like to deal with
Nancy: > all
Nancy: > the spam first, then all the viruses. I think I can just use {SPAM}
Nancy: > and
Nancy: > {VIRUS} instead and pine will sort them like I want--I'll test it out.
Nancy:
Nancy:
Nancy: Sorting square bracketed text in the Subject is not just a pine issue,
Nancy: but a genereal IMAP issue. I discuss this on my Reverse Spam Filtering
Nancy: page in this section:
Nancy:
Nancy: <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/spam/#implementationMine>

Sure it would be great to replace the square brackets with braces, but
ListServ does not do that (I assume this since I do not admin a ListServ
server).

It would be nice to have an option in Pine, multiple checkbox perhaps, to
consider [] in the beginning of the subject line.

It would help when sorting by Subject if a person is subscribed to
multiple ListServ lists, such as myself.

Thanks
Birl

---
Please do not CC me responses to my own posts.
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*** Nancy McGough ([email protected]) wrote in...:

:) One of the keys to my deflexion strategy is to have the spam score
:) (_HITS_) inserted into the beginning of the Subject header. This makes
:) it easy to order messages by score because I can simply do a
:) sort-by-subject in my mail client.

This would imply that messages with score 100 would be (in this sort)
before those whose score is 40 which are before than those whose score is
7. Is this something that you ignore intentionally? (this is true even if
you surround all scores with the same tag, like "{" and "}"). Do you
ignore this because messages with these scores have to be spam?.

If you want to have the sort by subject respect the sort by score then you
need to add more stuff there. The trick consists in making *all* scores
have the same number of digits, so for example, if SA does not give scores
bigger than 1000, then add 1000 to the score that SA gives you, so for
example, a score of 7 in SA would be transformed to 1007, 100 would be
transformed to 1100, and so on. Now all scores would be sorted correctly,
and your trick of adding "{" to it would be more useful.

--
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On 30 Jul 2004 Eduardo Chappa ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> :) One of the keys to my deflexion strategy is to have the spam score
> :) (_HITS_) inserted into the beginning of the Subject header. This makes
> :) it easy to order messages by score because I can simply do a
> :) sort-by-subject in my mail client.
>
> This would imply that messages with score 100 would be (in this sort)
> before those whose score is 40 which are before than those whose score is
> 7. Is this something that you ignore intentionally? (this is true even if
> you surround all scores with the same tag, like "{" and "}"). Do you
> ignore this because messages with these scores have to be spam?.

Yes, I /dev/null everything with a SpamAssassin score of 10 or
more (so the ASCII sort works). If anyone is interested, I talk
about this on my Procmail Quick Start in these sections:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/#SA>
<http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/#delete>

And I talk about how to get the score in the Subject header here:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/spam/#implementationMine>

And I talk about what I'm doing now, which is a complete hack,
here:

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/54153>

Feedback is welcome!
Nancy
Infinite Ink
www.ii.com

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*** S.A. Birl ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Sure it would be great to replace the square brackets with braces, but
:) ListServ does not do that (I assume this since I do not admin a
:) ListServ server).
:)
:) It would be nice to have an option in Pine, multiple checkbox perhaps,
:) to consider [] in the beginning of the subject line.
:)
:) It would help when sorting by Subject if a person is subscribed to
:) multiple ListServ lists, such as myself.

I like the idea that pine removes information enclosed between "[" and "]"
before it sorts by subject since otherwise messages in the same thread
could be miles away in the folder and for me it is more important to have
messages in the same thread nearby when I sort by subject.

If what you are looking for is a way to group messages from the same
mailing list (which you then can sort by subject), then you can do it in
another way. Simply use the select command.

For example, to select messages from this mailing list I would use the
command:

; T A "Sender: PINE-INFO"

You could also try to search for some other header, if the Sender header
is not what identifies your mailing list.

You can not select messages by the content of an arbitrary header unless
you patch Pine, you have to use the "All Text" option, but it should be
fast in most storage systems.

--
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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*** On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 I wrote:

:) If what you are looking for is a way to group messages from the same
:) mailing list (which you then can sort by subject), then you can do it
:) in another way. Simply use the select command.

Since I wrote this, I realized that the select command will not ignore the
text enclosed between "[" and "]" when selecting messages by subject, so
and easier way to do this is simply

; T S "[List Tag]"

Once you have selected them, you can sort them in any way you want.

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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 [email protected] wrote:

> I'd just like to be able to read the email with all the characters the
> user sent.

Here's what I do:

(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig, display-filters

And add a filter for each charset you want. For iso-8859-1, I have:

_CHARSET(iso-8859-1)_ /usr/bin/iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8

That says that when a message is in that charset, iconv will be invoked
to convert it to utf-8 (which is what my terminal is configured for).

You will probably want one for windows-1252 and others. Check iconv's
documentation to see if it supports that charset, and make sure that the
target charset is what your terminal is set to.

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Hello!

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > I'd just like to be able to read the email with all the characters the
> > user sent.
>
> Here's what I do:
>
> (M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig, display-filters
>
> And add a filter for each charset you want. For iso-8859-1, I have:
>
> _CHARSET(iso-8859-1)_ /usr/bin/iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8
>
> That says that when a message is in that charset, iconv will be invoked
> to convert it to utf-8 (which is what my terminal is configured for).
>
> You will probably want one for windows-1252 and others. Check iconv's
> documentation to see if it supports that charset, and make sure that the
> target charset is what your terminal is set to.
But you will have troubles with such config. If you postpone
converted message, it will have original charset name in headers, but
characters in new charset. So, it will be converted twice, if you
continue editing it. (If you postpone it again, it will be converted
once more, and so on.)
The only way (at least for me) to read such mail is to use
Bernhard Kaindl patch available from http://www.suse.de/~bk/pine/ .
There were many talkings on it in this list, you can look in archivs.

Bye. Alex.

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