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On Fri, 28 May 2004, robert delius royar wrote:
> Perhaps someone with more knowledge of Carbon than I can suggest how to write
> the conditionals so that the code is not included which is inapropriate for
> 10.2 or 10.3. A uname -a for 10.2 will return a string which contains "6.x.x
> Darwin Kernel Version 6.x.x"

You can use Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion) (that's just pseudo-code),
but Gestalt.h (in CarbonCore) actually recommends a better way of getting
the info on Mac OS X.

I think that's the question you're asking -- how to get the specific system
version you're running on. If you do that, then you could set the #defines
to be equal to the various responses to Gestalt (or the other method if you
use that one).

Otherwise, there may be stuff in CarbonCore/ConditioalMacros.h that helps you.

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hi all. i really like the flowed text support in pine 4.60, and i
definitely prefer to send it, so my recipients can use it if they like.

however, i'd prefer not to use it to display mail that i'm reading. i
often run pine in terminals significantly wider than 80 characters, and
it's hard to read the long lines of text that result from displaying
flowed text.

is there any way i can turn off *displaying* flowed text? if not, could i
add it as a feature request? if necessary, i'm happy to write a
patch...well, after i finish another pine patch i'm working on. :P

-Ryan

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*** Ryan Barrett ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) however, i'd prefer not to use it to display mail that i'm reading. i
:) often run pine in terminals significantly wider than 80 characters, and
:) it's hard to read the long lines of text that result from displaying
:) flowed text.

Ryan,

You can always set viewer-margin-left and viewer-margin-right to
improve your reading of messages, or you can press "H" and see the same
message with format=flowed off. Of course the last command depends on if
you have enabled [X] enable-full-header-cmd.

I hope this helps.

Eduardo
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Ryan Barrett wrote:

> hi all. i really like the flowed text support in pine 4.60, and i
> definitely prefer to send it, so my recipients can use it if they like.
>
> however, i'd prefer not to use it to display mail that i'm reading. i
> often run pine in terminals significantly wider than 80 characters, and
> it's hard to read the long lines of text that result from displaying
> flowed text.
>
> is there any way i can turn off *displaying* flowed text? if not, could i
> add it as a feature request? if necessary, i'm happy to write a
> patch...well, after i finish another pine patch i'm working on. :P

Does

composer-wrap-column = 50

affect the width for flowing text in the viewer?
Would it satisfy you, Ryan, if it did?

dan

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*** daniel lance herrick ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Ryan Barrett wrote:
:)
:) > hi all. i really like the flowed text support in pine 4.60, and i
:) > definitely prefer to send it, so my recipients can use it if they
:) > like.
:) >
:) > however, i'd prefer not to use it to display mail that i'm reading. i
:) > often run pine in terminals significantly wider than 80 characters,
:) > and it's hard to read the long lines of text that result from
:) > displaying flowed text.
:) >
:) > is there any way i can turn off *displaying* flowed text? if not,
:) > could i add it as a feature request? if necessary, i'm happy to write
:) > a patch...well, after i finish another pine patch i'm working on. :P
:)
:) Does
:)
:) composer-wrap-column = 50
:)
:) affect the width for flowing text in the viewer?

No it does not. This has to do with the width of the text as seen in the
composer and is enforced when you write text as well as when you justify
(here the editor is Pico, the embedded editor, not an alternate editor).
The width of display is controlled by the margins to the left and to the
right, there is no total width of the text since in f=f there is no
assumption on the screen width, and doing otherwise would defeat the
purpose of this format.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On Sat, 29 May 2004, Ryan Barrett wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2004, Chris Wilson wrote:
>
>> I have noticed similar problems with tab characters in the subject line.
>> Are you sure that the subject doesn't contain any control characters?
>
> fairly sure, but not entirely. say 80%.
>
> even if the subject does contain control characters, it seems like a bug.
> i've seen pine handle subjects w/control characters correctly before (i.e.,
> not wrap them to the next line).
>
> -Ryan

If you could send us a message that exhibits this behavior, and perhaps a
copy of your pinerc, maybe we could reproduce the problem and figure out
what is going wrong. Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Univ. of Washington: Computing and Communications, Seattle

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Hello Erik -

I apologize for the delay in responding; I did not know about your message
until today. Not all of the Pine developers read pine-info regularly.
The only way to be sure that you reach the Pine developers is to send mail
to [email protected].

There is no list of "defective IMAP servers" in Pine; but there is a way
to work with defective IMAP servers.

Pine has an optional switch in the mailbox name, "/loser", which disables
many IMAP operations in favor of doing the task locally. For example, if
you use "/loser", rather than doing a search on the server, Pine will
download the necessary data and search locally. This will cause these
operations to work correctly, at a possibly significant performance cost.

For example, if your Courier server is called broken.example.com, you can
set
inbox-path = {broken.example.com/loser}INBOX

This should remedy your specific problem.

Unfortunately, calling Courier "defective" is an understatement. Courier
is not an IMAP server at all. In addition to its bugs, Courier deviates
from the IMAP specification in several critical ways. I gave up any
attempt to communicate with the author of Courier years ago.

Consequently, any use of Courier is a crap-shoot, even with "/loser".
You may be able to get an IMAP client to work with it, but there are no
guarantees.

The only real fix is to dump Courier in favor of a standards-compliant
server, such as UW or Cyrus.

On Fri, 28 May 2004, Erik T. Ray wrote:
> No one has replied to this message yet. Perhaps if I put "bug report" in the
> subject line it will elicit a response. To summarize, a claimed workaround in
> the 4.55 release notes about "TO" filters does not seem to be working in
> 4.58. Thanks.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: "Erik T. Ray" <[email protected]>
>> Date: May 4, 2004 2:34:37 PM EDT
>> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Courier IMAP and TO filter
>>
>> I am using Pine 4.58 with an inbox-path set to a remote IMAP server. The
>> server is Courier imapd 1.7.3 on Redhat 7.3. The problem I am having is
>> that the "TO" filter does not properly match any messages, though the
>> other filters do. I notice in the release notes for Pine 4.55 that this
>> issue has been addressed:
>>
>> With some defective IMAP servers a filter which required a match in
>> the To pattern would not match. The IMAP server defect is that the
>> server does not implement a HEADER search for the empty string to be
>> equivalent to a test for the header existing.
>>
>> Is Courier imapd included in that list of "defective IMAP servers" and if
>> so, any idea why this workaround is not working for me? If it is something
>> else, can anyone suggest a workaround I might try? Thanks.
>
> --
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> phone: (617) 496-5097 mobile: (781) 710-1162
>
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Thank you for reporting this problem.

This problem has already been called to our attention, and will be fixed
in Pine 4.61. Since you use PC-Pine, regrettably there is no patch for
the problem in 4.60. I could give you a patch for UNIX Pine 4.60 if you
like.

On Sun, 30 May 2004, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I've installed 4.60 in addition to 4.58.
> Nothing in configuration changed. My character set is
>
> character-set=WINDOWS-1251
>
> Pine 4.58 automatically recoded other russian charsets
> (as koi8-r) to windows-1251. But 4.60 only displays
> charset warning and nothing changes. 4.58 still work OK.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Bye. Alex.
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> You can always set viewer-margin-left and viewer-margin-right to
> improve your reading of messages, or you can press "H" and see the same
> message with format=flowed off.

these are close, but not quite it. viewing with headers on works
perfectly, except that i have to page through screenloads of headers,
which is no good. the margin options are helpful, but don't quite work,
since i use pine in terminals of varying widths. :/

ideally, i'd like an option that turns format=flowed on or off. (btw,
eduardo, what is this format=... syntax?)

alternatively, i'd be happy with a viewer-wrap-column option that
affects the viewer the same way composer-wrap-column affects pico.

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Hello!

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:

> Thank you for reporting this problem.
>
> This problem has already been called to our attention, and will be fixed
> in Pine 4.61. Since you use PC-Pine, regrettably there is no patch for
> the problem in 4.60. I could give you a patch for UNIX Pine 4.60 if you
> like.
Under Linux I use iconv patch, which works much better.

Bye. Alex.

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:
> Under Linux I use iconv patch, which works much better.

The iconv() patch does not work in many cases in which the code in 4.60
does. Nor is iconv() available on the other ports of UNIX where Pine
runs.

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Hello!

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:
> > Under Linux I use iconv patch, which works much better.
>
> The iconv() patch does not work in many cases in which the code in 4.60
> does. Nor is iconv() available on the other ports of UNIX where Pine
> runs.
I don't know as for non-cyrillic charsets, but for Russian
mail native pine code doesn't work well. Half a year ago it didn't
decode mime Subject, From and other headers. I couldn't read UTF-8.
I had to use DISPLAY-FILTERS, but postponed-mail was filtered
twice. So I started to look for other mail client, or some way to
use pine.

So, if want to support iconv()-uncapable systems, why no to
emulate iconv for them with your own code with current capabilities?
You cannot make charset translation better than iconv(). Its developers
already did it for you. Why not to use it?

Bye. Alex.

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:
> I don't know as for non-cyrillic charsets, but for Russian
> mail native pine code doesn't work well. Half a year ago it didn't
> decode mime Subject, From and other headers. I couldn't read UTF-8.

Pine 4.58 should convert between 8-bit (e.g. Russian) character sets
without problem, and Pine 4.60 should read UTF-8 email.

Unfortunately, conversion between 8-bit character sets was broken in Pine
4.60, and none of our beta testers reported this problem until after Pine
4.60 was released. The bug was simple -- one line that needs to be
deleted -- and will be fixed in 4.61.

> So, if want to support iconv()-uncapable systems, why no to
> emulate iconv for them with your own code with current capabilities?

I started writing Pine's internal code long before iconv() existed. That
internal code has been used for searching for years.

> You cannot make charset translation better than iconv(). Its developers
> already did it for you. Why not to use it?

Pine's internal character set code does more than iconv(). Among other
things, the iconv() patch deletes support for character sets that I use!

-- Mark --

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> Pine's internal character set code does more than iconv(). Among other
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Which ones?

And are you referring to Kaindl's iconv() patch?

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Dear List,

I have recently reconfigured my .pinerc to a different imap server.
Sometimes when I save a mail to a local folder, or save many mails at once
with
the highlighting feature, I receive an error like this:

Mail Shrank 1580 --> 1435

Then

Save to foo folder: FAILED

I never experienced this error with the other imap server. Strange this
is that some mails save just fine to the same folders. Sometimes only one
email will "shrink" upon sending & fail. Sometimes many mails. This
error never happens when I save mails to the imap server folders.

Any ideas? Is this something a newer version would fix?

Thank you kindly!

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Addendum to first message:

I've discovered that the only emails unable to be saved on the local folders are from the domain of the imap server itself. All other emails from outside this server are able to be saved.

Has anyone every heard of that before? Any possible options for fixing? It seems it's a server issue & not necessarily a pine config issue.

Thanks again,
Marissa

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Dear List,

I have recently reconfigured my .pinerc to a different imap server.
Sometimes when I save a mail to a local folder, or save many mails at once
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Then

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I never experienced this error with the other imap server. Strange this
is that some mails save just fine to the same folders. Sometimes only one
email will "shrink" upon sending & fail. Sometimes many mails. This
error never happens when I save mails to the imap server folders.

Any ideas? Is this something a newer version would fix?

Thank you kindly!

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:

> Unfortunately, conversion between 8-bit character sets was broken in Pine
> 4.60, and none of our beta testers reported this problem until after Pine 4.60
> was released. The bug was simple -- one line that needs to be deleted

<ahem>

Some of us always build Pine from source, ya know.

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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> composer-wrap-column = 50

I'd hope the option to make that read the current xterm width, if
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, daniel lance herrick wrote:
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>> composer-wrap-column = 50
>
>I'd hope the option to make that read the current xterm width, if
>available, would be in there, too.

I think you're talking about pico, but at least when viewing messages,
this does work -- I can resize the (Terminal, which also adheres to xterm
protocol, AFAIK) window, and if the message doesn't have hard returns, I'll see
wider lines.

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>>On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, daniel lance herrick wrote:
>>
>>> composer-wrap-column = 50
>>
>>I'd hope the option to make that read the current xterm width, if
>>available, would be in there, too.
>
>I think you're talking about pico, but at least when viewing messages,
>this does work -- I can resize the (Terminal, which also adheres to xterm
>protocol, AFAIK) window, and if the message doesn't have hard returns, I'll see
>wider lines.

aaah, interesting. I was about to gripe about this particular message
still showing up funky.. When viewing the message, "see" showed up
on its own line.. (this is when I was viewing the message, pre-adding the quote
char in this reply).

I went into the config and my composer-wrap-column was set to 79.
I changed it to 80, but it made no difference. (This is me misunderstanding
what the "composer" is, I think, according to a personal reply I got
yesterday).

But it'd be great if I were able to do this.

Bug-or-at-least-strangeness this made me find:

I thought maybe I could set the composer-wrap-column to 81 to sort of work
around the problem (or at least see if it made the issue go away on this
particular message). If I try to set the composer wrap column above 80,
it says (I was playing with ridiculously large numbers):

[Composer-wrap-column of 81100 not supported (Max 80). Using "80"]

But it still leaves my bogus number in there. I think that if you have typed
too-large/small of a number there, it should clamp the number to the highest
(or lowest) valid number, and change the number I actually see there --- or
at the very least, change it when I save changes to the config screen..
i.e. if I go back in, it'll _then_ show me 80.

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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:
> If you run pine with "-d verbose=9,imap=4" you may be able to look at the debug
> file and figure out the where and why of the message.

I have a debug file when this happened, but what should I look for?

This looks relevant, I think:

IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000000 CAPABILITY
IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA LITERAL+ NAMESPACE UIDPLUS CHILDREN LANGUAGE XSENDER X-NETSCAPE XSERVERINFO AUTH=PLAIN STARTTLS
IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000000 OK CAPABILITY completed
imap_cmd({mail.apple.com}sent-mail, STARTTLS, 0x0)
IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000001 STARTTLS
IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000001 OK STARTTLS completed
sslfailure: host=mail.apple.com reason=SSL negotiation failed

Here's my current config:
inbox-path = {mail.apple.com/user=mattack/notls}INBOX

So unless there's some user error I'm missing, it seems to not be working
as expected.

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:
>> If you run pine with "-d verbose=9,imap=4" you may be able to look at the debug
>> file and figure out the where and why of the message.
>
>I have a debug file when this happened, but what should I look for?
>
>This looks relevant, I think:
>
>IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000000 CAPABILITY
>IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA LITERAL+ NAMESPACE UIDPLUS CHILDREN LANGUAGE XSENDER X-NETSCAPE XSERVERINFO AUTH=PLAIN STARTTLS
>IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000000 OK CAPABILITY completed
>imap_cmd({mail.apple.com}sent-mail, STARTTLS, 0x0)
>IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000001 STARTTLS
>IMAP DEBUG 18:25:54 6/2: 00000001 OK STARTTLS completed
>sslfailure: host=mail.apple.com reason=SSL negotiation failed

Though also, does this mean that my IMAP server is saying the wrong thing?
If it's saying STARTTLS but STARTTLS is not actually working.. that sounds
bad.. (but it should still be overridden by my /notls thing)

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The first thing I'd want to look at is the whole debug file, if possible,
to make sure that this particular STARTTLS happens for your inbox. It is
possible that some other mailbox is being opened. Probably not, but that's
the first thing I'd look for.

Steve

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

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> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Mark Crispin wrote:
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>> Unfortunately, conversion between 8-bit character sets was broken in Pine
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Here ya go. Patch for conversion bug is attached.

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:
> The first thing I'd want to look at is the whole debug file, if possible, to
> make sure that this particular STARTTLS happens for your inbox. It is possible
> that some other mailbox is being opened. Probably not, but that's the first
> thing I'd look for.

Is there anything "secret" in the debug file?

Also, I had to run for quite a while before getting this to happen.
My biggest .pine-debug file, which is I think the one this happened on,
is 9 megs.

Is there any way I could get the debug output to just spew out issues relevant
to this problem?

Basically, I'll do whatever I can to provide more info, this issue drives
me nuts.

I do think that "some other mailbox is being opened", because it happens
infrequently, but most reproducibly, when I'm trying to compose a message when
there's already a postponed message -- so it can't open the postponed-msgs
folder. (I think I explained this in an original mail way back.)

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:
>> The first thing I'd want to look at is the whole debug file, if possible, to
>> make sure that this particular STARTTLS happens for your inbox. It is possible
>> that some other mailbox is being opened. Probably not, but that's the first
>> thing I'd look for.
>
> Is there anything "secret" in the debug file?

I don't think so, but some people consider their address secret, so it is
in the eye of the beholder.

> Also, I had to run for quite a while before getting this to happen.
> My biggest .pine-debug file, which is I think the one this happened on,
> is 9 megs.
>
> Is there any way I could get the debug output to just spew out issues relevant
> to this problem?

Nope.

> Basically, I'll do whatever I can to provide more info, this issue drives
> me nuts.
>
> I do think that "some other mailbox is being opened", because it happens
> infrequently, but most reproducibly, when I'm trying to compose a message when
> there's already a postponed message -- so it can't open the postponed-msgs
> folder. (I think I explained this in an original mail way back.)

You can try to fix it by making sure that /notls appears everywhere it
needs to appear in the config file. Most places where there is a hostname
will have to have /notls, or at least the ones that go to the defective
host.

For example, if you have any collections defined on an IMAP server, go to
the Setup Collections screen and add the /notls to the server name there.
If you have a fully-qualified mailbox name for postponed-folder add the
/notls there, too. If the smtp server gives you errors, you need it there,
too. If not, you don't want it because it removes the encryption. My guess
would be that you have a collection and the server name in that collection
does not have /notls after it.

Steve

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Im sure this must have been discussed before, but I cannot seem to find a
good answer from Google.

I appeneded one mail file to the end of another.

Now Pine (4.60, and even earlier versions) displays the cryptic

Message 73 UID 2 less than 104

when I open up said folder (which currently has 143 messages in it).

I read http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/low-level.html
and figured that *maybe* dates were involved, but ....

The date for message 2 is Jan 23 2004
The date for message 73 is Feb 11 2004
The date for message 104 is Feb 15 2004

So Im back to being confuzzed.

Thanks.
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This is driving me crazy because I don't like ispell at all.
I have Pine 4.60 installed on two linux computers and I have no value set
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where there already was a Pine installed and the other was a fresh
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a fresh installation I get "not found" when I try to use the spell
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:
> My guess would be that you have a collection and the server name in that
> collection does not have /notls after it.

Ok, I do have a collection that was just called "Mail on mail.apple.com"
with the server.

I added /notls to that one. I'm not actually using collections as far
as I remember, so maybe I should just delete it.

But I'll live with this for a while and see if that error goes away..
if not, I'll check around if I have the server name in other places in
my config file.

Thanks..

If this _does_ fix it, then that just leads to another admittedly wide-
ranging enhancement request -- if pine had noticed I added /notls to
one instance of "mail.apple.com", it would have made sense for it to
mention that I had other instances of the server WITHOUT /notls.

Even if it couldn't/wouldn't automatically change all of them, if it just
said "you should update the server in the collectionList <and other
locations as appropriate>", that would have clued me in.

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Hi all,

can anyone check this error I've found in pine 4.60?

If you create filter with some To: pattern on INBOX (internal
/var/spool/mail/ mailbox) and with some status (I set "If message is
important"), then if you save this filter and exit from settings, the
filter is applied. But if you are in INBOX, you set Important some message
with the correct To: address and press X (as expunge), filter doesn't
apply. In pine 4.58 this worked fine.

Can anyone to check where is the problem and fix it? Please:))

Bye.

Robert Wolf.
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On Tue, 11 May 2004, Jared Griffith wrote:

> Pine has compiled successfully on my HP-UX 10.20 workstation since about
> 4.33, until now. I am trying to compile 4.60 and I get the following:
>
> Making Pine and rpload/rpdump.
> make CC=gcc DEBUG=-O3 -f makefile.ghp
> rm -f os.h
> ln -s osdep/os-hpx.h os.h
> gcc -O3 -DHPP -DSYSTYPE=\"GHP\" -DMOUSE -c filter.c
> filter.c: In function `gf_wrap':
> filter.c:7657: virtual memory exhausted
> *** Error exit code 1
>
> Stop.

There were some macros in filter.c that grew a good deal in 4.60, which
apparently some systems are having trouble with. The attached patch ought
to fix it to compile on your system.

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I just installed pine on my redhat system. I use fetchmail to fetch
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*** abdallah ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I just installed pine on my redhat system. I use fetchmail to fetch
:) mail. When I run fetchmail, it appears to be downloading emails. But
:) when I run pine, there are no emails there. When I checked my home
:) dir, I did not see a MBOX file.

Everything depends on where fetchmail is putting that mail. Press M S C
and take a look at the value of "inbox-path", if it says "inbox" and this
is not working, then change that value to be the full path to the location
of the folder where messages are being saved, for example,
"/var/spool/mail/username".

Notice that Pine does not like that you change your inbox-path in the
middle of a session, if you do so, quit Pine and restart it. Pine will try
the new value in the next session.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, abdallah wrote:

> I just installed pine on my redhat system. I use fetchmail to fetch
> mail. When I run fetchmail, it appears to be downloading emails. But
> when I run pine, there are no emails there. When I checked my home dir,
> I did not see a MBOX file.

It sounds that fetchmail does not put your mail into the file which Pine
opens.

Check fetchmail's destination first, then compare it to the mailbox file
which Pine looks up.

Hope this helps...

Greetings,
Claus

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On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT), "Eduardo Chappa"
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> *** abdallah ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
> today:
>
> :) I just installed pine on my redhat system. I use fetchmail to fetch
> :) mail. When I run fetchmail, it appears to be downloading emails. But
> :) when I run pine, there are no emails there. When I checked my home
> :) dir, I did not see a MBOX file.
>
> Everything depends on where fetchmail is putting that mail. Press M S C
> and take a look at the value of "inbox-path", if it says "inbox" and this
> is not working, then change that value to be the full path to the
> location
> of the folder where messages are being saved, for example,
> "/var/spool/mail/username".

> Notice that Pine does not like that you change your inbox-path in the
> middle of a session, if you do so, quit Pine and restart it. Pine will
> try
> the new value in the next session.
>
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

I changed the path to /var/spool/mail/user - it then asked me for a
folder to use for inbox. What should go there? Under /var/spool/mail/
there are no folders/ Just two user file names - root and sam.

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Quoting Claus Atzenbeck, 18:59 +0200 Sat 5th Jun 2004,
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, abdallah wrote:
>
> > I just installed pine on my redhat system. I use fetchmail to fetch
> > mail. When I run fetchmail, it appears to be downloading emails. But
> > when I run pine, there are no emails there. When I checked my home dir,
> > I did not see a MBOX file.
>
> It sounds that fetchmail does not put your mail into the file which Pine
> opens.
>
> Check fetchmail's destination first, then compare it to the mailbox file
> which Pine looks up.

Besides, there is 'getmail' with is easier to configure, and even faster
in my view, to fetch mails to local dirs. You may then use procmail -Y
to redirect the mails to your MBOX-es.

A ~/.getmail/getmailrc example,

[default]
verbose = 1
readall = 0
message_log = /var/log/getmail.log
timeout = 240
max_message_size = 1048576
no_delivered_to = 1
no_received = 1
delete = 1

[Joe's Mail]
server = mail.isp.com
port = 8110
username = joeuser
password = pass
postmaster = "| procmail -Y ~/.procmail/joerules"

which ends, for example, with,

:0
* ^To.*joe@iap
/var/mail/joe

:0
* ^Cc.*joe@iap
CC

:0:
OTHERS

assuming MAILDIR=/joemailfolder at first.

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*** abdallah ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT), "Eduardo Chappa"
:) <[email protected]> said:
:) > *** abdallah ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info
:) > list today:
:) >
:) > :) I just installed pine on my redhat system. I use fetchmail to
:) > :) fetch mail. When I run fetchmail, it appears to be downloading
:) > :) emails. But when I run pine, there are no emails there. When I
:) > :) checked my home dir, I did not see a MBOX file.
:) >
:) > Everything depends on where fetchmail is putting that mail. Press M S
:) > C and take a look at the value of "inbox-path", if it says "inbox"
:) > and this is not working, then change that value to be the full path
:) > to the location of the folder where messages are being saved, for
:) > example, "/var/spool/mail/username".
:)
:) > Notice that Pine does not like that you change your inbox-path in the
:) > middle of a session, if you do so, quit Pine and restart it. Pine
:) > will try the new value in the next session.
:)
:) I changed the path to /var/spool/mail/user - it then asked me for a
:) folder to use for inbox. What should go there? Under /var/spool/mail/
:) there are no folders/ Just two user file names - root and sam.

Ah ok, I know what's going on. Ever since maildrops came to existence
changing the inbox-path is not that easy.

First press M S C and put the cursor over inbox-path, now press RETURN and
remove anything that that line says, press RETURN again and enter the full
path to the location of your inbox, something like /var/spool/mail/user,
or maybe /var/mail/user, everything depends on your system.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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hi all. i've added an option to turn off displaying flowed text when
viewing messages. a patch is attached.

this page has more information...but as a subscriber to this list, i doubt
it will tell you anything you don't already know. :P

http://snarfed.org/space/pine+flowed-text+patch

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Hi,

I'm a Pine user for 4-5 years now and I'm more and more
astonished how the Pine suite powerful is, making email efficient, fast
and easy. I'm especially impressed by the rich features it provides,
which aren't available on any other email client. Even Pico doesn't
share specific justify and paragraph behaviors with pico-like attempts
like jpico.

Nevertheless, you will find below some feature requests, which i sorted
by importance (reverse, thus most important at the top),

. Update Pine license to permit users and developers to feel
free and trust the project completely. Considering that Pine may be
stopped one day or switched to even more closed source software by
University of Washington is a part of the horizon i don't appreciate.
Even if this scenario is unlikely to happen, it's nevertheless
considered by experienced Open Source users, administrator, engineers,
and this makes especially sense in the digital world. Please update
anything you want give the feeling to your users you're not the only
owner of the Pine suite. Notice non endorsement and even advertisement
closes are considered as relevant options.

Notice : GNU nano may yet get the UNDO functionality working in the next
release. GNU nano developers don't *mainly* focus on pico compatibility
anymore (since succeeded), they are now looking forward to enhance their
editor.
. Pico -- UNDO functionality, not just ^U, real recursive UNDO.

. Pico -- automatic indentation option when carriage return on
an indented line.

. Pine -- Please pull up Eduardo Chappa's fancy thread patch.
thread-sort-key is really great. You can sort w/ reverse arrival but
keep the threads going down as usual. Especially relevant for unsorted
MBOX-es like sent-mail or SPAM_BMF, which should be sorted by reverse/*.

. Pico -- configuration *file*, not 2 digits long columns
aliases.

. Pine -- Activate a bit more features in the default
configuration. New users may also like to use lots of user friendly
and/or power features without taking the time and pain to
scrolling/reading/cross_activating them.

Arriving users always implicitly complain about Pines ubiquitous
configuration procedure. Beside Pine's incredible power user features,
it obviously began to lack major features considering that most people
fetch their email-s from remote POP servers, don't have local SMTP
servers running and that NAT become a de-facto standard on home networks
connected to the Internet/IPv4,

. Pine -- Fresh users recurrent questions are also justified by
the user-domain option which only sets the domain part of the
return-path. Making a role or a customized-hdr to set up the most
important thing behind the smtp-server, i mean the From header, seems
obviously irrelevant.

. Pine -- Please permit the user to customize the user-name sent
to the SMTP server (MAIL FROM).

. Pilot -- Make a feature rich file manager with the midnight
commander style cross copying/moving/+*linking* using TAB, recursive
removing and prompt for overwriting.

Thanks in advance for thinking about my requests and/or sharing your
answers/opinions with me. Special thanks, by the way, for being members
of the Pine team and developing such powerful software. At last, i
would like to say... Pine r0ks!

PINE-INFO Mailing-list in Cc.

Pierre-Philipp
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From: Mrs Mary Jones of Kuwait

RE: Donation for the less priveledged.

I am the above named person from Kuwait. I am married to Dr. Harry Jones
who worked with Kuwait Embassy in Ivory Coast for nine years before he di=
ed
in the year 2000.We were married for eleven years without a child.
He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Before his
death we were both born again christians. Since his death I decided not
to re-marry or get a child outside my matrimonial home .
When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of $8.6Million (Eight=

Million six hundred thousand U.S.Dollars) with a finance/security company=

in Europe.
Presently, this money is still with the Security Company and the manageme=
nt
has written me as the beneficiary to come forward to receive the trunk bo=
x
of money or rather issue a letter of authorisation to somebody to receive=

it on
my behalf if I can not come over.
Presently, I'm in a hospital where I have been undergoing treatment for
oesophageal cancer. I have since lost my ability to talk and my doctors
have told me that I might not be able to survive this illness from all in=
dications.
It is my last wish to see this money distributed to victims of Hiv/aids,c=
harities
donations,Orphans and other needy persons in your country.
Because relatives and friends have plundered so much of my wealth since
my
illness, I cannot live with the agony of entrusting this huge responsibil=
ity
to any of them anymore.
I beg you in the name of God to help me collect the deposit and the inter=
est
accrued from the company and distribute it accordingly.
I want a person that is God fearing that will use this money to assist an=
d
utilise for orphanages and widows propagating the word of God and to ensu=
re
that the house of God is maintained. The Bible made us to understand that=

Blessed is the hand that giveth.
I took this decision because I don't have any child that will inherit thi=
s
money and my husband relatives are not beleivers and I don't want my husb=
and's
hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I don't want a situation
where this money will be used in an ungodly manner.
Hence the reason for taking this bold decision. I am not afraid of death
hence
I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the=

Lord.
Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my=

peace. I will not be able to use the telephone communication in this rega=
rd
because of my soundless voice and the presence of my husband's relatives
around me always. I don't want them to know about this development.
With God all things are possible. As soon as I receive your reply I shall=

give you the contact of the Finance/ Security Company. I will also issue
you a letter of authority that will prove you as the new beneficiary of
this fund. I want you and your fellow believers
to always pray for me because the lord is my shephard.
My happiness is that I lived a life of a worthy Christian. however that
wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and truth. Please always=

be prayerful all through your life. Any delay in your reply will give me
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Hoping to hearing from you soon.
regards,
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Hello.

I have requests for two features.

I am using PINE 4.44 on Red Hat Linux 7.3.

I have read the changelogs up to PINE 4.60, and did not see these
features added.

The first feature request, is for the archived folder name format to be
changed from foldername-mon-yyyy to foldername-yyyy-mm.

A reason for this, is that, when archiving the message folders, in the
listing of the folder names, PINE-apr-2004 precedes PINE-dec-2003
precedes PINE-feb-2004 precedes PINE-mar-2002precedes PINE-jun-2001, as
an example.

Thus, in the folder index listing, the order of those folders, would be
PINE-apr-2004
PINE-dec-2003
PINE-feb-2004
PINE-mar-2002
PINE-jun-2001

The folder index listing, for what I request, for those examples, would
give
PINE-2001-06
PINE-2002-03
PINE-2003-12
PINE-2004-02
PINE-2004-04
which is much more useful, when looking for archived folders and for
messages within archived folders.

Also, I understand that the date format yyyy-mm-dd is the ISO format.

The second feature request, is for a feature that, in the absence of
which, requires using another email application, when needing the
feature. The feature is return receipt requests. I have previously tried
using what exists in PINE, but have never got it to work. Some people
dislike the feature, but it is useful, for confirmation that the
adressee(s) has/have received a particular, important email. I am aware
that some people disallow receipts to be sent for emails that they
receive, but, I believe that most people do allow receipts to be sent
for when they receive/read email messages.

To be able to configure the feature like, I believe, Netscape allows,
where the return receipt can be requested either for when the message is
delivered, or, when it is read, or both, would be good. It could be
incorporated as part of the display of the header, when composing, or,
as part of the confirmation prompt for sending a message, but I believe
that the former option would be preferable.

I believe, from memory, that Netcape and Mozilla incorporate the
configuration of the return receipt requesting (whether it is for
delivery only, for when the message is read only, or for both, using
check boxes for each option) in the configuration of the email facility,
when setting Preferences and then, when composing each message, the
option to request return receipts for each particular message, is
available from the Options menu in the Compose Message window.

Thank you in anticipation.

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Hi,

Since using pine 4.60 it doesn't remember the current directory when
saving an attachment. I didn't have a problem in previous versions. Pine
always wants to save the attachment in my home directory: the setting "use
current directory" in the Advanced User Preferences has no effect anymore.

Anyone has this problem before?

NB: I'm running Pine on FreeBSD/alpha 4.10-RELEASE.

Marco
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On Jun 7, Bret Busby ([email protected]) typed:

bret: Hello.
bret:
bret: I have requests for two features.
bret:

[snip first request. A very good request, btw]

bret: The second feature request, is for a feature that, in the absence of
bret: which, requires using another email application, when needing the
bret: feature. The feature is return receipt requests. I have previously tried
bret: using what exists in PINE, but have never got it to work. Some people
bret: dislike the feature, but it is useful, for confirmation that the
bret: adressee(s) has/have received a particular, important email. I am aware
bret: that some people disallow receipts to be sent for emails that they
bret: receive, but, I believe that most people do allow receipts to be sent
bret: for when they receive/read email messages.
bret:
bret: To be able to configure the feature like, I believe, Netscape allows,
bret: where the return receipt can be requested either for when the message is
bret: delivered, or, when it is read, or both, would be good. It could be
bret: incorporated as part of the display of the header, when composing, or,
bret: as part of the confirmation prompt for sending a message, but I believe
bret: that the former option would be preferable.
bret:
bret: I believe, from memory, that Netcape and Mozilla incorporate the
bret: configuration of the return receipt requesting (whether it is for
bret: delivery only, for when the message is read only, or for both, using
bret: check boxes for each option) in the configuration of the email facility,
bret: when setting Preferences and then, when composing each message, the
bret: option to request return receipts for each particular message, is
bret: available from the Options menu in the Compose Message window.
bret:
bret: Thank you in anticipation.

I had a little bit of trouble understanding this 2nd request:

1) Do you want Pine to add a Return-Receipt header?
2) Or did you want Pine to answer a Return-Receipt header?

If the answer is Yes to number 1 then why just add the header in yourself?
I have that header pre-filled in my customized-hdrs in my rc file

If the answer is Yes to number 2 then I would say that should be the
responsibility of the Mailer Daemon to answer a Return-Receipt header not
Pine's, imo.

-- Birl

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On Jun 7, Marco Beishuizen ([email protected]) typed:

Marco: Hi,
Marco:
Marco: Since using pine 4.60 it doesn't remember the current directory when
Marco: saving an attachment. I didn't have a problem in previous versions. Pine
Marco: always wants to save the attachment in my home directory: the setting
Marco: "use current directory" in the Advanced User Preferences has no effect
Marco: anymore.
Marco:
Marco: Anyone has this problem before?
Marco:
Marco: NB: I'm running Pine on FreeBSD/alpha 4.10-RELEASE.
Marco:
Marco: Marco

No, not on my Solaris 9.

-- Birl

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I when press ;puz to see a list of folders which have unread messages,
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Bret Busby wrote:

>
> Hello.
>
> I have requests for two features.
>
> I am using PINE 4.44 on Red Hat Linux 7.3.
>
> I have read the changelogs up to PINE 4.60, and did not see these
> features added.
>
> The first feature request, is for the archived folder name format to be
> changed from foldername-mon-yyyy to foldername-yyyy-mm.

Others periodically ask for this so we decided to add it. There will be a
feature called Prune-Uses-YYYY-MM in pine 4.61 to turn on this behavior.
>
> [...]
>
> The second feature request, is for a feature that, in the absence of
> which, requires using another email application, when needing the
> feature. The feature is return receipt requests. I have previously tried
> using what exists in PINE, but have never got it to work. Some people
> dislike the feature, but it is useful, for confirmation that the
> adressee(s) has/have received a particular, important email. I am aware
> that some people disallow receipts to be sent for emails that they
> receive, but, I believe that most people do allow receipts to be sent
> for when they receive/read email messages.

Check the feature "enable-delivery-status-notification" to see if that has
the functionality you want. Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Univ. of Washington: Computing and Communications, Seattle

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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:

> >
> > The second feature request, is for a feature that, in the absence of
> > which, requires using another email application, when needing the
> > feature. The feature is return receipt requests. I have previously tried
> > using what exists in PINE, but have never got it to work. Some people
> > dislike the feature, but it is useful, for confirmation that the
> > adressee(s) has/have received a particular, important email. I am aware
> > that some people disallow receipts to be sent for emails that they
> > receive, but, I believe that most people do allow receipts to be sent
> > for when they receive/read email messages.
>
> Check the feature "enable-delivery-status-notification" to see if that has
> the functionality you want. Thanks.
>
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Univ. of Washington: Computing and Communications, Seattle
>
>

Hello.

Thank you for your response.

I note that the Help for that option, states that a person who sets the
flag for "enable-delivery-status-notification", will be notified when
the message has been delivered to a mailbox, but not when the message
has been read.

The Help facility also states that for the Delivery Status Notification
facility, "DSN's don't provide a mechanism to request read receipts".

Yet I have successfully used that facility for years, with other email
applications.

>From the text of the Help facility, the DSN's are part of the MTA at
the senders end.

>From my experience, read receipts can be obtained, but not according to
the PINE Help facility.

Could this please be clarified, and, if the PINE Help facility is wrong
in what it says, could that be corrected?

And, could the feature be incorporated into PINE, to give a person
sending a message, the option to request a read receipt, when sending a
message?

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
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you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of
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published by Pan Books, 1992
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Hi,
I have sent email to the discussion, but I haven't seen it in. So I try
again.

I've made new test and the pine doesn't filter on expunge in every mailbox.

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Hi all,

can anyone check this error I've found in pine 4.60?

If you create filter with some To: pattern on INBOX (internal /var/spool/mail/
mailbox) and with some status (I set "If message is important"), then if you
save this filter and exit from settings, the filter is applied. But if you are
in INBOX, you set Important some message with the correct To: address and press
X (as expunge), filter doesn't apply. In pine 4.58 this worked fine.

Can anyone to check where is the problem and fix it? Please:))

Bye.

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OK, this is perhaps an odd question, but anyways...

Pine uses ctrl-combinations alot (ctrl-x to send etc), but I sometimes
find myself in locations or devices that actually lacks ctrl-keys. (putty
on my P800, random obscure internet-cafes or libraries where ctrl might be
disabled to avoid ctrl-alt-del or something)

So my question is: Is there some alternative way of sending commands?

And if not; would it be possible to add one?

I imagine I am not the only one using vim as external editor and hence hit
escape every now and then when editing the header lines, so a vi-like mode
would be very welcome for me at least. :)

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On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Pierre-Philipp Braun wrote:
> . Update Pine license to permit users and developers to feel
>free and trust the project completely. Considering that Pine may be
>stopped one day or switched to even more closed source software by
>University of Washington is a part of the horizon i don't appreciate.
>Even if this scenario is unlikely to happen, it's nevertheless
>considered by experienced Open Source users, administrator, engineers,
>and this makes especially sense in the digital world. Please update
>anything you want give the feeling to your users you're not the only
>owner of the Pine suite. Notice non endorsement and even advertisement
>closes are considered as relevant options.

Seems to me the best response to this is "if you don't like it, don't use
it".

>Notice : GNU nano may yet get the UNDO functionality working in the next
>release. GNU nano developers don't *mainly* focus on pico compatibility
>anymore (since succeeded), they are now looking forward to enhance their
>editor.
> . Pico -- UNDO functionality, not just ^U, real recursive UNDO.
>
> . Pico -- automatic indentation option when carriage return on
>an indented line.

What is GNU nano? Some kind of an editor, obviously.. but is it
a pico clone or something? (I don't use pico.)

indentation -- you mean like for editing source code? Pico is intended
as a VERY VERY VERY VERY basic editor. If you want more sophisticated
functionality, use the external editor support built in.

Personally, pine is the best example of a "friendly text-based program", that's
in almost all ways just as easy to use as any GUI program.. But if I
couldn't use an external editor, I probably wouldn't use pine.

> . Pine -- Please pull up Eduardo Chappa's fancy thread patch.
>thread-sort-key is really great. You can sort w/ reverse arrival but
>keep the threads going down as usual. Especially relevant for unsorted
>MBOX-es like sent-mail or SPAM_BMF, which should be sorted by reverse/*.

This is the one that I was most intrigued by that made me respond.

Does this 'fancy threads' support have a way so that you can have it sorted
so that threads with new messages (even if the first message in the thread
is years old) are near the bottom? If so, I'm all for it. I "lose" messages
every once in a while because I have everything sorted by thread. So every
once in a while I'll view by arrival just to make sure I haven't missed
anything.

> . Pine -- Activate a bit more features in the default
>configuration.

Specific examples would probably be useful here. I suspect that they want
it as simple as possible for a beginner.

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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Steve Hubert wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Bret Busby wrote:
>> The first feature request, is for the archived folder name format to be
>> changed from foldername-mon-yyyy to foldername-yyyy-mm.
>
> Others periodically ask for this so we decided to add it. There will be a
> feature called Prune-Uses-YYYY-MM in pine 4.61 to turn on this behavior.

Will there be an automated way to change all of the eons of old sent-mail
folders to the new format? (presumably not, this is _sort_ of a joke, but
I've got tons of old sent-mail folders and it'll be a pain renaming them)

I don't know the exact way this would be phrased, but I'd personally
still like the alphabetic month rather than having to convert number to month
all the time.

Maybe something like:

sent-mail-2003-10 (oct)

Just having a smarter sorting and not changing the names at all would
be fine for me too.. i.e. just sort them in year order if they match
some regular expression perhaps.

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Pine implements Delivery Status Notifications. This is based on

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3461.txt

Many proprietary email systems have implemented forms of read receipts.
Pine does not have any support for read receipts. There is a recent draft
standard to help with read receipts specified in

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3798.txt

Implementing this is a low priority for us.

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I'd love to see a Pine feature which would quell display of quoted text in
messages.
This might be unrealistic, but if I never saw quoted text again, that
would be fine with me.
Thus, at least lines beginning in > could be quelled, which hopefully
could be overridden in the (rare) case when a quote needs to be read.
Using Braille and speech, but especially with speech, this could literally
save at least an hour or two a week.
I know mutt has a weed feature which apparently does this, but since I use
Pine, I'd love to see something like that implemented in my favorite email
program.
Don't know how workable it would be, though.
--Rick

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> can anyone check this error I've found in pine 4.60?
>
> If you create filter with some To: pattern on INBOX (internal
> /var/spool/mail/ mailbox) and with some status (I set "If message is
> important"), then if you save this filter and exit from settings, the filter
> is applied. But if you are in INBOX, you set Important some message with the
> correct To: address and press X (as expunge), filter doesn't apply. In pine
> 4.58 this worked fine.
>
> Can anyone to check where is the problem and fix it? Please:))

It turns out that is intentional. It is a safety feature which is tricky
to implement, and for your case, it does not do what you want. On the
other hand, it ought to correctly filter it the next time you come into
this folder, so the problem should be a small one.

What it does is it avoids refiltering a message it has already filtered if
the user manually changes the flags on that message. In your case, you
manually set the Important flag, so the filtering code leaves it alone for
now. Another case, where the refiltering behavior is harmful, is the case
where a filter sets the Deleted bit and then the user Undeletes the
message. In that case, the user does not want the filter to re-set the
deleted bit and then expunge the message. Pine could attempt to figure out
which cases make sense to refilter and which don't. Instead, it errs on
the side of caution by deferring the refiltering whenever the user
manually sets a flag.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Univ. of Washington: Computing and Communications, Seattle

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*** Kolbj�rn Barmen ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) OK, this is perhaps an odd question, but anyways...
:)
:) Pine uses ctrl-combinations alot (ctrl-x to send etc), but I sometimes
:) find myself in locations or devices that actually lacks ctrl-keys.
:) (putty on my P800, random obscure internet-cafes or libraries where
:) ctrl might be disabled to avoid ctrl-alt-del or something)

ESC ESC x is the same as CTRL-x and so on.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Rick Lewis wrote:
> I'd love to see a Pine feature which would quell display of quoted text in
> messages.
> This might be unrealistic, but if I never saw quoted text again, that would be
> fine with me.
> Thus, at least lines beginning in > could be quelled, which hopefully could be
> overridden in the (rare) case when a quote needs to be read.

How would you know when a section of the text was written by someone else
in the discussion history?

> Using Braille and speech, but especially with speech, this could literally
> save at least an hour or two a week.

Don't any of the screenreaders have a notion of "quoted text"? I had
thought they would have had something like this long ago. That is, I'm not
sure exactly what it would do, but maybe say "quote begins" at the end of
the quoted section.

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Rick Lewis wrote:

> I'd love to see a Pine feature which would quell display of quoted text
> in messages. This might be unrealistic, but if I never saw quoted text
> again, that would be fine with me.

funny you should mention that. i'm almost finished with a patch that
implements a related feature. it doesn't do exactly what you want, but it
might help alleviate your problem, or at least get another developer most
of the way toward your feature.

my patch removes "trailing quotes" from emails before you send them, or
when you press a key. it's hard to explain, so i'll just give an example.
the following quote is trailing, and would be removed by my patch.

> Thus, at least lines beginning in > could be quelled, which hopefully
> could be overridden in the (rare) case when a quote needs to be read.
> Using Braille and speech, but especially with speech, this could
> literally save at least an hour or two a week. I know mutt has a weed
> feature which apparently does this, but since I use Pine, I'd love to
> see something like that implemented in my favorite email program. Don't
> know how workable it would be, though.
> --Rick
>
>

-Ryan

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Kolbj?rn Barmen ([email protected]) wrote in the...:
>
> :) OK, this is perhaps an odd question, but anyways...
> :)
> :) Pine uses ctrl-combinations alot (ctrl-x to send etc), but I sometimes
> :) find myself in locations or devices that actually lacks ctrl-keys.
> :) (putty on my P800, random obscure internet-cafes or libraries where
> :) ctrl might be disabled to avoid ctrl-alt-del or something)
>
> ESC ESC x is the same as CTRL-x and so on.

Ah! Fantastic!

Thank you =)

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret asked, regarding quelling quoted text:

> How would you know when a section of the text was written by someone else
> in the discussion history?

Matt,
Generally I don't want to know.
I've read it before. My memory is good. Most people quote liberally, (or
is that lazily?)
If this feature could use a keystroke to display quoted text when needed,
instead of always, I could find out in the maybe five percent of cases
when I really need to know.
Matt asked, regarding screen readers:
> Don't any of the screenreaders have a notion of "quoted text"? I had
> thought they would have had something like this long ago. That is, I'm not
> sure exactly what it would do, but maybe say "quote begins" at the end of
> the quoted section.

There are two major Windows screen readers. The one I have is the one
which has the feature, but overall, I don't prefer it.
Since "set files" are used, which adjust a screen reader's parameters for
particular applications, I don't even know if users of that program can
easily get the same functionality with Pine, using Tera Term on a shell,
or PC-Pine.
It may have taken extensive scripting tailored for Outlook Express, or
extensive knowledge of the scripting language to tailor it for another
program. I don't know for sure.
The problem, though, is that there isn't just one screen reading
environment. (I'm really glad of that, actually. Choices are good.)
There are two major Windows screen readers and many others. And of course,
there are DOS screen readers as well.
But cost is prohibitive, because, for example, since I already use a
screen reader, paying over $500 for a screen reader I like less, so I can
use one feature, is cost-prohibitive.
So personally, if quotes could just be
stripped out of the message display,
and only shown on demand, the same solution would be available to all.
It'd be much easier than teaching people to quote sparingly, which is a
lost cause anyway.
Ryan, your idea is close, but some people quote at the top, (I'll stay off
of that soapbox.)
It's not unusual on some lists to find the meat of the message in the
third or fourth paragraph.
At least when quotes are at the bottom, one can just ignore text beyond a
certain point, or as you have worked on, get rid of it entirely.
And that's certainly better than the status quo.
--Rick

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Hello,

I was a happy user of the index style option:

regular-index-with-collapsed-threads

up to version 4.58. Now that I installed version 4.60, and without
changing my pine configuration, it seems that this option does not work
properly, as the threads are expanded most of the time, although I checked
that the option is indeed selected. I use a remote configuration.

Is my experience shared, or am I just an unlucky guy?

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Rick Lewis wrote:

> I'd love to see a Pine feature which would quell display of quoted
> text in messages.

Use a display-filter. If you only care about > as a quote-prefix, the
filter is trivial. Even if not, you could take a look at Eduardo's patch
that lets you handle any quote-prefix, and steal some of his code (if
his license allows) to recognize the quote-prefix and not print any
lines that have it.

Pity, 'cause Pine now actually does the coloring for quoted text in
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Rick Lewis wrote:
>
> > I'd love to see a Pine feature which would quell display of quoted
> > text in messages.
>
> Pity, 'cause Pine now actually does the coloring for quoted text in
> filtered output.
>

Forgive me if I am ignorant, as I have never read the source for pine, but
if pine is already coloring the quoted text, wouldn't it be a simple
matter to allow the ansi begin-color sequence to become instead "start
copying to /dev/null", and ditto for the end-color? I suppose it's not
that easy; nothing ever is...

Scott Swanson

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From: Scott Swanson <[email protected]>
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A while ago, a couple of us were whining about the lack of a
directory-level facility for attaching/saving attachments. This would be
SO nice. For instance, this morning I had to send 24 pictures to one of my
wife's real estate clients. I just used a simple bash command line to have
djpeg scale them by half, then cjpeg degrade the quality to 60% so that
they didn't consume too much bandwidth. However, when it came to using
pine, I had to:

a. quit pine
b. restart pine in the directory where they were saved.
c. type in EVERY STINKING FILE NAME on the attachment line.

Why wouldn't it be reasonable to SELECT THE DIRECTORY and have every file
there converted to an attachment!!!?

Ditto, of course, when somebody sends me an email with 24 pictures
attached! Why can't I just say "Save ALL of these in the directory I have
chosen"? In fact, pine doesn't even remember the last directory I saved
to, so I either have to type in the path for EACH ONE of the 24 pictures,
or else:

a. quit pine
b. restart pine in the desired directory

This is one of the most annoying features of this otherwise fine program!

Scott Swanson

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Scott Swanson wrote:

> Why wouldn't it be reasonable to SELECT THE DIRECTORY and have every file
> there converted to an attachment!!!?

Talking about attachments. I would like to be able to mark several files
using X in a directory, like you can do elsewhere in Pine for other stuff.
Then I could so S(elect) on these and get them all attached.

Also it would be nice if one could enter a save directory for attachments
and Pine would remember this during session. And in the Config be able to
set a default directory (instead of just current or home directory) for
attachments saves.

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On Jun 7, [email protected] ([email protected]) typed:

kassim: I when press ;puz to see a list of folders which have unread messages,
kassim: for some reason Pine also shows folders that have messages that are
kassim: already read. I have the latest version of Pine running on Linux.
kassim:
kassim: Any help will be appreciated.
kassim:
kassim: Kassim

4.60 Solaris 9

When I read this message, I deceided to try ;puz on my ~/mail/ directory.
I used ^c (6 times) while Pine searched a few files (out of 96 total).

Then I un-selected all those messages Pine highlighted.

Those 6 files which I ^c'ed still had .lock file present.

I think code needs to be added to the function(s) that catches sigINT to
remove any lockfiles created.

Thanks.

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Pine has a standard feature operated by control-T which gives a search
of the appropriate things instead of typing. So control-T after save
lets you browse the folders.

In this case control-T after control-J (or equivalent clicks in the
windows version) allows you to browse all the files on the hard disk(s);
it also remembers where you are so that if attaching a second file you
look in the same place. Moreover clicking on the name (or typing return)
fills it in automatically.

That is not the same as selecting a number of files and going
"attach-all" but it goes a long way towards solving your problem.

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Scott Swanson wrote:

:>A while ago, a couple of us were whining about the lack of a
:>directory-level facility for attaching/saving attachments. This would be
:>SO nice. For instance, this morning I had to send 24 pictures to one of my
:>wife's real estate clients. I just used a simple bash command line to have
:>djpeg scale them by half, then cjpeg degrade the quality to 60% so that
:>they didn't consume too much bandwidth. However, when it came to using
:>pine, I had to:
:>
:> a. quit pine
:> b. restart pine in the directory where they were saved.
:> c. type in EVERY STINKING FILE NAME on the attachment line.
:>
:>Why wouldn't it be reasonable to SELECT THE DIRECTORY and have every file
:>there converted to an attachment!!!?
:>
:>Ditto, of course, when somebody sends me an email with 24 pictures
:>attached! Why can't I just say "Save ALL of these in the directory I have
:>chosen"? In fact, pine doesn't even remember the last directory I saved
:>to, so I either have to type in the path for EACH ONE of the 24 pictures,
:>or else:
:>
:> a. quit pine
:> b. restart pine in the desired directory
:>
:>This is one of the most annoying features of this otherwise fine program!
:>
:>Scott Swanson
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Rick Lewis wrote:
> It'd be much easier than teaching people to quote sparingly, which is a lost
> cause anyway.

I'm with you up to here..

> Ryan, your idea is close, but some people quote at the top, (I'll stay off of
> that soapbox.)

Here is where I disagree with you.. (I don't know if your screen reader
can read signatures at the end, but my signature argues completely the other
side.)

However, you have provided the first compelling argument I've ever
heard for top-posting. (But taking both of your statements together, we
actually agree -- I'd say that if everyone who top-posts simply removed
the original message, the problem would be solved. We disagree in that
when someone does quote text, I say it should be above, you say it should
be below.. Though I think this is probably something the screen reader
should take care of on the viewing end.)

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Barry Landy wrote:

> Pine has a standard feature operated by control-T which gives a search
> of the appropriate things instead of typing. So control-T after save
> lets you browse the folders.

I'm well familiar with the control-T. Consider my 24-file case, though. To
select the 1st file, I must type ^T and enter. For the second, ^T,
down-arrow, enter. for the 8th: ^T down-arrow, down-arrow, down-arrow,
down-arrow, down-arrow, down-arrow, down-arrow, enter. For the 24th -
well, I think you see my point. It is fewer keystrokes to do it as I
indicated, particularly if the files are named 01.jpg, 02.jpg, etc. But
how difficult can it be to just let me type ~/pix/2004/06/smith/*.jpg as I
would do in any other application??!

Scott Swanson

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Scott Swanson wrote:
> a. quit pine
> b. restart pine in the directory where they were saved.
> c. type in EVERY STINKING FILE NAME on the attachment line.

This is only a very very small Band-Aid, but you can use tab-completion to
fill in the rest of the name/path.

e.g. if there are no conflicts with other similarly named files you could
do:

File to attach: th<tab>th<tab>fi<tab>
ends up turning into:

File to attach: thisfile/thatfile/file.jpg

I agree with the other person's request for being able to set a default save
directory.. or at the very least, remembering it when I've saved something
else there once.

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Is it possible to temporarly disable the line wrapping while writing a
mail?

When I cut and paste a log into an email I want the lines NOT wrapped. Now
I have to go back to every line and use backspace on the wrapped text to
get it back on the correct line.

I'm using Pine 4.60

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On Jun 10, Mathias Sundman ([email protected]) typed:

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Mathias: Subject: Disable line wrapping while writing a mail
Mathias:
Mathias: Is it possible to temporarly disable the line wrapping while writing a
Mathias: mail?
Mathias:
Mathias: When I cut and paste a log into an email I want the lines NOT wrapped.
Mathias: Now I have to go back to every line and use backspace on the wrapped
Mathias: text to get it back on the correct line.
Mathias:
Mathias: I'm using Pine 4.60

In situations like that I use the Alternate Editor, vi, by using ^_ in the
composing window.

Make sure enable-alternate-editor-cmd checked on in the config settings
and you have vi as an editor option as well.

HTH
Birl

"Sure vi is user-friendly. It's just cautious on who it makes friends
with." (paraphrased)

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Mathias Sundman wrote:

> Is it possible to temporarly disable the line wrapping while writing a
> mail?

Maybe not disable (unless you use an alternate editor), but you can
temporarily set composer-wrap-column to some ridiculously large value.

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hi all. can anyone point me to information about pine's internal memory
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I'm using pine 4.60 on mac os x.

Stay open folders don't seem to work the way the documentation says they
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I put "carbondev" as a stay open folder, and quit and relaunched pine to make
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When I 'g'o between my INBOX and carbondev, it's going to the last message
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I looked through the setup configuration screen, and I don't have any of
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> I'm using pine 4.60 on mac os x.
>
> Stay open folders don't seem to work the way the documentation says they
> will.. In fact I guess it's not working at all.
>
> I put "carbondev" as a stay open folder, and quit and relaunched pine to make
> sure I wasn't seeing an anomaly on that one run.. I wasn't.
>
> When I 'g'o between my INBOX and carbondev, it's going to the last message
> in the list, not the previous one I was on. I also see that it's "closing"
> carbondev when I go back to the INBOX.
>
> I looked through the setup configuration screen, and I don't have any of
> the other settings related to "stay open folders" set.

That should be all you need. One thing to pay attention to is that
carbondev should be in your incoming folders list, ie. don't reference a
folder in your default mail collection in this way as you would when
saving a message. If it's a folder in your default mail collection, you
need to use the full name, eg. {imap.server.example}mail/carbondev.

If it's still not working for you, then you need to send us a pine-debug
file after running pine with the -d9 option set so we can get a better
idea what's going on.

Jeff

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Jeff Franklin wrote:
> That should be all you need. One thing to pay attention to is that carbondev
> should be in your incoming folders list, ie. don't reference a folder in your
> default mail collection in this way as you would when saving a message. If
> it's a folder in your default mail collection, you need to use the full name,
> eg. {imap.server.example}mail/carbondev.

I guess I don't really understand what "incoming folders list" and
"default mail collection" mean.

I see carbondev when I simply hit l to go to the mail folder list.

I tried
{mail.apple.com}mail/carbondev
and
{mail.apple.com}/carbondev

in the stay open folder item and quit and restarted pine between launches.

I do have a collection list set up for "mail on mail.apple.com".

So I guess I think I just don't know what I need to change to make this work.

I've read the various help screens on the options in question.

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> I guess I don't really understand what "incoming folders list" and
> "default mail collection" mean.

No need to understand incoming folders. The first collection is your
default collection, but if you have no other collections set, then you
wouldn't see any other collections. Sorry for the confusion.

> I see carbondev when I simply hit l to go to the mail folder list.
>
> I tried
> {mail.apple.com}mail/carbondev
> and
> {mail.apple.com}/carbondev

The first one should work (setting it and restarting). IN my test just
now, setting this up was pretty delicate. That you would have understand
the syntax for a fully qualified folder is a design shortcoming.
Basically, it should look like:

{Server}Path/carbondev, where Server and Path are what you see when you do
Setup->List. Not very elegant, but that's where it stands right now.

If that doesn't work, drop us a pine-debug file and maybe I can see what's
going wrong.

Jeff

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From: Jeff Franklin <[email protected]>
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Hi Robert,

Sorry this went unanswered for so long. Actually, someone sent us a patch
of how it should be, which we've included in the source to be released
with 4.61. I've attached it. So, does this fix the crash that you've
been having?

Thanks,
Jeff

On Fri, 28 May 2004, robert delius royar wrote:

> In the file mimedisp.osx there are a number of #ifdefs to include code based
> on the operating-system level. These are incorrectly used. Those OS defines
> are all turned on. They are values, not simple BOOLEANS. The system headers
> define them this way:
> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0 1000
> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_1 1010
> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2 1020
> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3 1030
>
> If you compile with new tools on a 10.2.8 system (as Dr. Clea F. Rees
> discovered), you get a number of compilation errors. On 10.3, you get
> crashes when you try to open an attached html file.
>
> See also the pin-info thread "Pine 4.60 on Mac OS X: mime types and crash"
> with the following Message-IDs:
> <[email protected]>,
> <[email protected]> and
> <[email protected]>
>
> Perhaps someone with more knowledge of Carbon than I can suggest how to write
> the conditionals so that the code is not included which is inapropriate for
> 10.2 or 10.3. A uname -a for 10.2 will return a string which contains "6.x.x
> Darwin Kernel Version 6.x.x"
>
> My 10.3.4 system is "7.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.4.0"
>
>
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My ISP requires SMTP authentication. In Pine setup, in the SMTP field, I
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Kassim Kasmani wrote:

> My ISP requires SMTP authentication. In Pine setup, in the SMTP
> field, I put in the server address. Where do I put in the
> username/password?

FAQ.

http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/write.html#smtpauth

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Kassim Kasmani wrote:
>
> > My ISP requires SMTP authentication. In Pine setup, in the SMTP
> > field, I put in the server address. Where do I put in the
> > username/password?
>
> FAQ.
>
> http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/write.html#smtpauth
>
>

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 about 17:53 -0700 UTC Jeff Franklin wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Sorry this went unanswered for so long. Actually, someone sent us a patch of
> how it should be, which we've included in the source to be released with 4.61.
> I've attached it. So, does this fix the crash that you've been having?
>

Jeff,

No, the problem is that the concept is wrong. The defines in the patch are
being used as though they were preprocessor commands, but the header where
these macros are defined makes it clear the test must be at runtime. I have
the deployment_target set as per Apple's documentation, so if the macros
were used correctly, they should have stubbed the routines not needed on a
10.3 machine.

Unless MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED is set at compilation so the
preprocessor sees a value different from that needed for OSX 10.0, both bits
of code will be included. I have appended a copy of Apple's explanation of
these macros to the end of this note.

If you compile the function mime_get_os_ext_from_mimetype on a 10.2 machine
using the newest version of the compiler available from Apple for that
machine, then you will get compile-time errors. If you compile the program
on a 10.3 machine with new tools, it will run on a 10.2 machine because
osx_build_mime_type_cmd gets called before mime_get_os_ext_from_mimetype and
its value returned makes sense on the 10.2 machine. 10.3 machines appear to
need it to return 0 so that the fall back to mime_get_os_ext_from_mimetype
doesn't assume that some processing has already occured. This is the best I
can do to figure out what is going on simply because I don't program Carbon.
I think it's mainly reserved for OS9 compatibility. I would have thought
the OSX-specific sections would have used Cocoa and Darwin only. I don't
believe you see much Darwin mixed with Carbon development

To further complicate things, the Availability Macros were designed to be
used in Project Builder or (later) Xcode. The only way to import a unix
commandline project into these is to use the configure/Makefile
structure--not possible with Pine. The builders assume that environment
variables can be set (the way configure does) for unique targets. But that
does not seem to work with the Pine build. I tried to use EXTRASPECIALS to
set the values for the OS_X level, but found these were thrown away when the
osdependent build ran--just where they were needed.

With the patch I sent earlier, the functions are included only if the
intended target is of the correct level, but it requires hand coding if the
build machine is running a different OS level from the target which means
someone has to compile a 10.3 version on a 10.3 machine or 10.2 on a machine
with the 10.2 tools (I am only supposing this latter limitation). With the
patch, attachments display based on their MIME type if the system knows that
type. (One problem the first test case I had created was that the system
did not know the MIME type. But the error occurs whether it is known or
not.) If the system does not know the type, for example the Word files
defined a APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM, then Pine looks in its own mimerc and
mailcaps.

The patched version, using the patch I cobbled together, will display a file
locally if osx_build_mime_type_cmd returns 0 and the type is a form of html
or text. I don't believe that is what was intended. But it suits me. If
the type is known, then the OS reader is launched. However, the launch is
such that if you exit Pine, the application closes. That is a bad idea if
the user launches Word to edit an attached file (for example). I fix this
by using my own mailcap shell scripts that call the OSX open command which
launches the app without connecting to the parent Pine session. This
doesn't work for Darwin applications. For example, I run a GTK Mazilla for
my browser. In that case I have to use nohup.

Frankly, I would figure most potential OSX Pine users to be familiar with
the commandline and terminal so that they would rely on scripts and such the
way folks on a BSD system would. Perhaps a variant based on that concept
using the mimedisp.bsd template would be worth developing.

robert

---- Explanation from Apple regarding the macros. The Tech note mentioned
---- is more clear and points out that stub functions need to be created.
---- So the defs internal to a function do not work at all if I understand
---- the note and the explanation below.
/*
File: AvailabilityMacros.h

Copyright: (c) 2001-2003 by Apple Computer, Inc., all rights reserved.

More Info: See TechNote 2064

Contains: Autoconfiguration of AVAILABLE_ macros for Mac OS X

This header enables a developer to specify build time
constraints on what Mac OS X versions the resulting
application will be run. There are two bounds a developer
can specify:

MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED
MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED

The lower bound controls which calls to OS functions will
be weak-importing (allowed to be unresolved at launch time).
The upper bound controls which OS functionality, if used,
will result in a compiler error because that functionality is
not available on on any OS is the specifed range.

For example, suppose an application is compiled with:

MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED = MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2
MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED = MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3

and an OS header contains:

extern void funcA(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER;
extern void funcB(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER_BUT_DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2;
extern void funcC(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER_BUT_DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3;
extern void funcD(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_1_AND_LATER;
extern void funcE(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2_AND_LATER;
extern void funcF(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3_AND_LATER;
extern void funcG(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4_AND_LATER;

typedef long TypeA DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER;
typedef long TypeB DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_1_AND_LATER;
typedef long TypeC DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2_AND_LATER;
typedef long TypeD DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3_AND_LATER;
typedef long TypeE DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4_AND_LATER;

Any application code which uses these declarations will get the following:

compile link run
------- ------ -------
funcA: normal normal normal
funcB: warning normal normal
funcC: normal normal normal
funcD: normal normal normal
funcE: normal normal normal
funcF: normal weak on 10.3 normal, on 10.2 (&funcF == NULL)
funcG: error error n/a
typeA: warning
typeB: warning
typeC: warning
typeD: normal
typeE: normal

*/

> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, 28 May 2004, robert delius royar wrote:
>
> > In the file mimedisp.osx there are a number of #ifdefs to include code based
> > on the operating-system level. These are incorrectly used. Those OS defines
> > are all turned on. They are values, not simple BOOLEANS. The system
> > headers define them this way:
> > #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0 1000
> > #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_1 1010
> > #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2 1020
> > #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3 1030
> >
> > If you compile with new tools on a 10.2.8 system (as Dr. Clea F. Rees
> > discovered), you get a number of compilation errors. On 10.3, you get
> > crashes when you try to open an attached html file.
> >
> > See also the pin-info thread "Pine 4.60 on Mac OS X: mime types and crash"
> > with the following Message-IDs:
> > <[email protected]>,
> > <[email protected]> and
> > <[email protected]>
> >
> > Perhaps someone with more knowledge of Carbon than I can suggest how to
> > write the conditionals so that the code is not included which is
> > inapropriate for 10.2 or 10.3. A uname -a for 10.2 will return a string
> > which contains "6.x.x Darwin Kernel Version 6.x.x"
> >
> > My 10.3.4 system is "7.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.4.0"
> >
>

--
Dr. Robert Delius Royar Associate Professor of English
Morehead State University Morehead, Kentucky

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I patched the source code using (1) the previous osx-fix.shar; and (2)
the mimedisp.osx-diff mentioned in the message below.

Using gcc 3.3 on 10.2.8 and just "./build osx" (which isn't what I'd
normally use), I find that:
in case (1) the build fails with compilation errors, albeit
different errors than previously;
in case (2) compilation is successful.

I haven't tested the executables from (2) and I did get various warnings etc, but
some of these result from my using a standard command when I should make
sure it's using the /usr/local version of openssl. I didn't bother to do
that because it required a lot of mucking about last time. (I think the
osx stuff trumps the command line instruction to use /usr/local/openssl
etc. etc. in some cases, but not others. Or else I missed something
critical somewhere...)

Clea

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On 12/06/04, you seem to have written:

> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 about 17:53 -0700 UTC Jeff Franklin wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Sorry this went unanswered for so long. Actually, someone sent us a patch of
>> how it should be, which we've included in the source to be released with 4.61.
>> I've attached it. So, does this fix the crash that you've been having?
>>
>
> Jeff,
>
> No, the problem is that the concept is wrong. The defines in the patch are
> being used as though they were preprocessor commands, but the header where
> these macros are defined makes it clear the test must be at runtime. I have
> the deployment_target set as per Apple's documentation, so if the macros
> were used correctly, they should have stubbed the routines not needed on a
> 10.3 machine.
>
> Unless MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED is set at compilation so the
> preprocessor sees a value different from that needed for OSX 10.0, both bits
> of code will be included. I have appended a copy of Apple's explanation of
> these macros to the end of this note.
>
> If you compile the function mime_get_os_ext_from_mimetype on a 10.2 machine
> using the newest version of the compiler available from Apple for that
> machine, then you will get compile-time errors. If you compile the program
> on a 10.3 machine with new tools, it will run on a 10.2 machine because
> osx_build_mime_type_cmd gets called before mime_get_os_ext_from_mimetype and
> its value returned makes sense on the 10.2 machine. 10.3 machines appear to
> need it to return 0 so that the fall back to mime_get_os_ext_from_mimetype
> doesn't assume that some processing has already occured. This is the best I
> can do to figure out what is going on simply because I don't program Carbon.
> I think it's mainly reserved for OS9 compatibility. I would have thought
> the OSX-specific sections would have used Cocoa and Darwin only. I don't
> believe you see much Darwin mixed with Carbon development
>
> To further complicate things, the Availability Macros were designed to be
> used in Project Builder or (later) Xcode. The only way to import a unix
> commandline project into these is to use the configure/Makefile
> structure--not possible with Pine. The builders assume that environment
> variables can be set (the way configure does) for unique targets. But that
> does not seem to work with the Pine build. I tried to use EXTRASPECIALS to
> set the values for the OS_X level, but found these were thrown away when the
> osdependent build ran--just where they were needed.
>
> With the patch I sent earlier, the functions are included only if the
> intended target is of the correct level, but it requires hand coding if the
> build machine is running a different OS level from the target which means
> someone has to compile a 10.3 version on a 10.3 machine or 10.2 on a machine
> with the 10.2 tools (I am only supposing this latter limitation). With the
> patch, attachments display based on their MIME type if the system knows that
> type. (One problem the first test case I had created was that the system
> did not know the MIME type. But the error occurs whether it is known or
> not.) If the system does not know the type, for example the Word files
> defined a APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM, then Pine looks in its own mimerc and
> mailcaps.
>
> The patched version, using the patch I cobbled together, will display a file
> locally if osx_build_mime_type_cmd returns 0 and the type is a form of html
> or text. I don't believe that is what was intended. But it suits me. If
> the type is known, then the OS reader is launched. However, the launch is
> such that if you exit Pine, the application closes. That is a bad idea if
> the user launches Word to edit an attached file (for example). I fix this
> by using my own mailcap shell scripts that call the OSX open command which
> launches the app without connecting to the parent Pine session. This
> doesn't work for Darwin applications. For example, I run a GTK Mazilla for
> my browser. In that case I have to use nohup.
>
> Frankly, I would figure most potential OSX Pine users to be familiar with
> the commandline and terminal so that they would rely on scripts and such the
> way folks on a BSD system would. Perhaps a variant based on that concept
> using the mimedisp.bsd template would be worth developing.
>
> robert
>
> ---- Explanation from Apple regarding the macros. The Tech note mentioned
> ---- is more clear and points out that stub functions need to be created.
> ---- So the defs internal to a function do not work at all if I understand
> ---- the note and the explanation below.
> /*
> File: AvailabilityMacros.h
>
> Copyright: (c) 2001-2003 by Apple Computer, Inc., all rights reserved.
>
> More Info: See TechNote 2064
>
> Contains: Autoconfiguration of AVAILABLE_ macros for Mac OS X
>
> This header enables a developer to specify build time
> constraints on what Mac OS X versions the resulting
> application will be run. There are two bounds a developer
> can specify:
>
> MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED
> MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED
>
> The lower bound controls which calls to OS functions will
> be weak-importing (allowed to be unresolved at launch time).
> The upper bound controls which OS functionality, if used,
> will result in a compiler error because that functionality is
> not available on on any OS is the specifed range.
>
> For example, suppose an application is compiled with:
>
> MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED = MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2
> MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED = MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3
>
> and an OS header contains:
>
> extern void funcA(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER;
> extern void funcB(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER_BUT_DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2;
> extern void funcC(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER_BUT_DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3;
> extern void funcD(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_1_AND_LATER;
> extern void funcE(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2_AND_LATER;
> extern void funcF(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3_AND_LATER;
> extern void funcG(void) AVAILABLE_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4_AND_LATER;
>
> typedef long TypeA DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0_AND_LATER;
> typedef long TypeB DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_1_AND_LATER;
> typedef long TypeC DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2_AND_LATER;
> typedef long TypeD DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3_AND_LATER;
> typedef long TypeE DEPRECATED_IN_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4_AND_LATER;
>
> Any application code which uses these declarations will get the following:
>
> compile link run
> ------- ------ -------
> funcA: normal normal normal
> funcB: warning normal normal
> funcC: normal normal normal
> funcD: normal normal normal
> funcE: normal normal normal
> funcF: normal weak on 10.3 normal, on 10.2 (&funcF == NULL)
> funcG: error error n/a
> typeA: warning
> typeB: warning
> typeC: warning
> typeD: normal
> typeE: normal
>
>
> */
>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, 28 May 2004, robert delius royar wrote:
>>
>>> In the file mimedisp.osx there are a number of #ifdefs to include code based
>>> on the operating-system level. These are incorrectly used. Those OS defines
>>> are all turned on. They are values, not simple BOOLEANS. The system
>>> headers define them this way:
>>> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_0 1000
>>> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_1 1010
>>> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2 1020
>>> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3 1030
>>>
>>> If you compile with new tools on a 10.2.8 system (as Dr. Clea F. Rees
>>> discovered), you get a number of compilation errors. On 10.3, you get
>>> crashes when you try to open an attached html file.
>>>
>>> See also the pin-info thread "Pine 4.60 on Mac OS X: mime types and crash"
>>> with the following Message-IDs:
>>> <[email protected]>,
>>> <[email protected]> and
>>> <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone with more knowledge of Carbon than I can suggest how to
>>> write the conditionals so that the code is not included which is
>>> inapropriate for 10.2 or 10.3. A uname -a for 10.2 will return a string
>>> which contains "6.x.x Darwin Kernel Version 6.x.x"
>>>
>>> My 10.3.4 system is "7.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.4.0"
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Dr. Robert Delius Royar Associate Professor of English
> Morehead State University Morehead, Kentucky
>
>
>

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 about 01:20 -0400 UTC Dr. Clea F. Rees wrote:

> I patched the source code using (1) the previous osx-fix.shar; and (2)
> the mimedisp.osx-diff mentioned in the message below.
>
> Using gcc 3.3 on 10.2.8 and just "./build osx" (which isn't what I'd
> normally use), I find that:
> in case (1) the build fails with compilation errors, albeit
> different errors than previously;
> in case (2) compilation is successful.

I just downloaded 4.60 again and ran osx-fix.shar in the main directory.
When I ran `./build osx', it worked without any errors.

When you run the shar archive,
* copy the file to the main directory of the pine distribution (i.e.
there should be subdirectories contrib, pine, etc.),
* if you want the separate patch files (not really needed), then
`mkdir patch' before running the command,
* run it with the command `sh osx-fix.shar', and
* `chmod +x pine/osdep/osx-dep.sh'.

The shell should echo the following to you:
x - pine/makefile.osx
x - pine/osdep/osx-dep.sh
x - pine/osdep/mimedisp.osx
x - patch/osxversion.patch
x - patch/mimeosdep.patch
There will be errors if you have no patch directory, but the patches are
already applied to the included files.

If everything ran correctly, then you should see
cc -g -DDEBUG -DDEBUGJOURNAL -DENABLE_LDAP -Dconst= -DSYSTYPE=\"OSX\" -DOSX_MAJOR_VERSION=`osdep/osx-dep.sh` -c -o os.o os.c

The -DOSX_MAJOR_VERSION=`osdep/osx-dep.sh` is the magic that sets up the
required versioning based on your system.

> I haven't tested the executables from (2) and I did get various warnings etc,

Because using the patch supplied from 4.61 likely creates a program which
doesn't call the code 10.2 can't handle, it may run fine. But I bet if
you were to look at the code in a debugger, you would discover, as I did on
10.3, that the code supposed to be ignored is actually compiled in. Again,
that is how weak binding works. But the code in os.c is not designed to use
weak binding correctly. There is a discussion on unix-porting (an Apple OSX
list) in which someone from Apple recommends Cocoa to handle calls to Aqua
programs from Unix, not Carbon. I think that is the real problem. Carbon
needs to be initialized before these calls are being made (which is why the
command line hack works). That initialization is not being done. I haven't
found any documentation on this, but there is discussion on the lists about
which C-runtime start up to use for different systems, and I suspect that
Carbon programs built with ProjectBuilder (a.k.a. XCode) use a different
crt.o file than do unix (Darwin) commandline compiled programs.

Cocoa uses Objective-C. It looks as though one line of code using
NSWorkspace could handle launching web pages in the default browser or any
attachment that has a registered extension. However for attachments that do
not have an extent or a transport mechanism, Pine would be hard-pressed to
devise one. OSX must store its MIME types somewhere because there are
third-party programs which can reset the defualts or add types. But I
haven't located that Property List. There may be a Cocoa MIME-based command
available also. Unfortunate also is the fact that much of the Cocoa magic
requires 10.2 or even 10.3.

--
Dr. Robert Delius Royar Associate Professor of English
Morehead State University Morehead, Kentucky
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:30:23 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Gopi Sundaram <[email protected]>
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>Subject: Re: SMTP Authentication
>
>On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Kassim Kasmani wrote:
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>> My ISP requires SMTP authentication. In Pine setup, in the SMTP
>> field, I put in the server address. Where do I put in the
>> username/password?
>
>FAQ.
>
>http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/write.html#smtpauth

If this is a FAQ, shouldn't it be covered in *pine's* documentation?

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:

>>> My ISP requires SMTP authentication. In Pine setup, in the SMTP
..
> If this is a FAQ, shouldn't it be covered in *pine's* documentation?

for standard SMTP auth, it is. it's in the help text for the smtp-server
value on the config page.

as for the other auth style, i'd never even heard of it before i read that
faq page. :P it probably wouldn't hurt to have a line or two about it, but
i won't fault them for leaving it out.

-Ryan

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>I added /notls to that one. I'm not actually using collections as far
>as I remember, so maybe I should just delete it.
>
>But I'll live with this for a while and see if that error goes away..
>if not, I'll check around if I have the server name in other places in
>my config file.

I now haven't had the SSL error in a while.

>If this _does_ fix it, then that just leads to another admittedly wide-
>ranging enhancement request -- if pine had noticed I added /notls to
>one instance of "mail.apple.com", it would have made sense for it to
>mention that I had other instances of the server WITHOUT /notls.
>
>Even if it couldn't/wouldn't automatically change all of them, if it just
>said "you should update the server in the collectionList <and other
>locations as appropriate>", that would have clued me in.

This still applies. As friendly as pine usually is, server setup and
making sure the various settings are consistent among the different places
one can enter is is one of the things that's not very intuitive in pine.

(in general, pine is my example that a text-based app can be JUST as
simple/easy to use as any GUI program.. in fact, out of the box, I wouldn't
use pine.. It's only because I can change the editor and configure other
stuff that makes it great to me.)

Now the only lingering warning I get is that AUTH=PLAIN one. If I can
quiet that one without commenting out a line in the source & recompiling,
great.

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Hello!

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> > My ISP requires SMTP authentication. In Pine setup, in the SMTP
> > field, I put in the server address. Where do I put in the
> > username/password?
>
> FAQ.
>
> http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/write.html#smtpauth
BTW: Why there is no switch like /password= ?

Bye. Alex.

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DEAR SIR=2C
Please don't be offended or surprised to receive this
mail which
is sent without you prior permission since we do
not know each other before now but we will meet soon
because of my
situation=2E=2EI got your contact through network online
hence decided to
write you because of my desperate situation=2E
I am MRS BRIDGET MAKELE=2C the wife of late MAKELE
WILLIAMS=2C a farmer in
southern sudan who was murdered in the land dispute and religious crisis in my
country=2E
This land and religious problem came when sudanese President
is supporting the northern sudan rebels to kill christians in southern suduan
introduced a new Land and religious Act Reform that wholly affected
the southern sudan that make up of christians
farmers and some business people alike=2E This
resulted to the killings
and mob action by northern sudan war veterans and some
lunatics in the
norther sudan during this religious issues in my country=2E In
fact a lot of
people were killed because of this religious crisis Act for
which my
husband was one of the victims=2EIt is against this
background that all my
family members fled southern sududan to one of west african country
for fear of our lives=2E We are currently taking refuge
outside my
country where we sought political asylum=2E
Before the death of my husband=2C he made a secret but
undisclosed
deposit with a security Firm outside sudan=2EThis
amount was meant for the
purchase of new
Agricultural machineries and chemicals for Government
Farm establishments in
northern sudan=2E
The consignment=5B2 sealed trunk boxes=5D were declared to
contain Gem Stones &
Family Valuables but
The actual content is 46=2E5M millions in $100 bills=2E
shipped on diplomatic cover to avoid customs detecting
the actual contents=2E
He was a leading and
successful Government Contractor who was blessed=2E This
was done when he
noticed the
looming danger in southern sudan on religious policies=2E
Uptill now there is no peace or safety in my country
and the family have
decided to have the boxes containing the funds moved
out to a safer country
by the Security deposit Agency so that the funds can
be banked and invested
in some
profit yielding venture or business=2E
But we must treat the issue with
relative secrecy and confidentiality in the interest
of my family=2Csecurity
and for other
good reasons=2E
If you accept to assist to invest part of the funds=2C
do please reply immediately so as to contact my lawyer
for details
of what is to be done after reaching a workable
agreement with you=2E He would conclude all arrangements
with you to clear
the consignment=5Bin which the funds are secretly packed
He would also explain our desire to sharing of the
funds on 70%=2F30%
basis and=2C the subsequent investment to be made in
your country with our
share as you
may advise=2E
REGARDS=2C
MRS MAKELE
=5B FOR THE FAMILY=5D
=2C
=2E
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:

> Hello!
>
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Gopi Sundaram wrote:
>
> > > My ISP requires SMTP authentication. In Pine setup, in the SMTP
> > > field, I put in the server address. Where do I put in the
> > > username/password?
> >
> > FAQ.
> >
> > http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/write.html#smtpauth
> BTW: Why there is no switch like /password= ?
>
> Bye. Alex.

I'm not sure about the other os'es, but for Linux you have to enable the
password file option at compile time. Once you edit/patch pine and
compile and install it, touch ~/.pine.pwd and when you enter a password,
it will ask if you want to preserve it on disk. After that, it won't ask
you for a password.

Here is the patch I usually use, its quite simple however and you can
probably edit the os-lnx.h file directly.

-- BEGIN PATCH --
diff -ruN pine4.53.orig/pine/osdep/os-lnx.h pine4.53/pine/osdep/os-lnx.h
--- pine4.53.orig/pine/osdep/os-lnx.h 2001-02-06 20:05:06.000000000 -0500
+++ pine4.53/pine/osdep/os-lnx.h 2003-02-22 08:53:57.000000000 -0500
@@ -89,6 +89,7 @@
----*/
#define BACKGROUND_POST

+#define PASSFILE ".pine.pwd"

/*----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- END PATCH --

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Hello!

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote:

> I'm not sure about the other os'es, but for Linux you have to enable the
> password file option at compile time. Once you edit/patch pine and
> compile and install it, touch ~/.pine.pwd and when you enter a password,
> it will ask if you want to preserve it on disk. After that, it won't ask
> you for a password.
Thanks! As documentation says, it's enabled by default for
PC-PINE. So I'll use it under Windows.
For Linux I use fetchmail.

Bye. Alex.

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I'm certain it's something in the way I've got it set up, but for the
first time in more than 10 years of using PINE, I've got a problem I can't
solve by reading the help or archives.

When I recieve attachements, PINE does not detect them. The view command
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I know the attachements are present and intact; I can see them if I view
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attachements with metamail. I just don't see them in PINE.

Any ideas?

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I have noticed recently that text messages that I compose in PINE 4.58
will line wrap incorrectly when viewed in a graphic mail viewer such as
Outlook 2003.

I don't recall making any PINE configuration changes which I would have
expected to cause this.

What are the PINE configuration options which I can set to cause NO line
breaks to be inserted until I enter two consecutive carriage returns in
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Thanks!
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:

> BTW: Why there is no switch like /password= ?

Because it will be stored in your .pinerc file, and you shouldn't store
plaintext passwords in a file. Heck, the encryption on the pine password
file is weak enough, which is probably why it isn't enabled by default.

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Jay Libove wrote:

> I have noticed recently that text messages that I compose in PINE 4.58
> will line wrap incorrectly when viewed in a graphic mail viewer such as
> Outlook 2003.
>
> I don't recall making any PINE configuration changes which I would have
> expected to cause this.

The default in Pine is to wrap the lines at 74 chars. And that is how you
should usually format an email to.

If you want to write paragraphs that flow across the whole screen
independent of the screen-width, upgrade to Pine 4.60 which supports
format=flowed formatting of emails. That will still wrap the lines so they
look good on a non format=flowed compatible email reader, but those that
do support it will let the paragraphs flow across the whole screen.

> What are the PINE configuration options which I can set to cause NO line
> breaks to be inserted until I enter two consecutive carriage returns in
> the composing editor?

I don't think you can disable line wrapping, but you can set
composer-wrap-column to a really high value, but I don't recommend it.

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Hello!

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> > BTW: Why there is no switch like /password= ?
>
> Because it will be stored in your .pinerc file, and you shouldn't store
"shouldn't" is not "must not". It should be up to user.

> plaintext passwords in a file. Heck, the encryption on the pine password
> file is weak enough, which is probably why it isn't enabled by default.
That password is in my fetchmailrc. So, having it
in pinerc won't break security. ;-))

BTW: I found that PASSFILE is only valid for IMAP, isn't it?
What should I do for smtp? Having passwords in some file is usefull
for roles with different smtp servers.

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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:

>> Because it will be stored in your .pinerc file, and you shouldn't store
> "shouldn't" is not "must not". It should be up to user.

when storing passwords on disk, the obfuscated vs. plaintext debate is as
old as time. i'll be the Bad Guy and say, please, let's not have that
debate again. :P

true, there's also the distinct UI question of how to specify the
password - stored separately on disk, command-line arg, or option in the
folder name. however, since the pine developers have decided to obfuscate
it, it has to be stored on disk, which makes the UI question moot.

-Ryan

p.s. if you really want to explore the obfuscated vs. plaintext debate,
there's a decent analysis here:

http://gaim.sourceforge.net/plaintextpasswords.txt

and an even longer analysis on the gaim mailing list, here:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=4588877&forum_id=9587

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Hello!

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Ryan Barrett wrote:

> p.s. if you really want to explore the obfuscated vs. plaintext debate,
> there's a decent analysis here:
Really, I want to have roles with different authentication to
different servers! And not to remember paswords in mind.

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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Ryan Barrett wrote:
> true, there's also the distinct UI question of how to specify the password -
> stored separately on disk, command-line arg, or option in the folder name.
> however, since the pine developers have decided to obfuscate it, it has to be
> stored on disk, which makes the UI question moot.

That doesn't mean it must be stored on disk (I presume you mean as a separate
file) at all.

Let the user type it in, and transmogrify it after they hit return.
Don't let them ever edit the field with the munged password in there, and
explain why it looks like "garbage" to them. (or just show it as ****
always)

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> BTW: I found that PASSFILE is only valid for IMAP, isn't it?
> What should I do for smtp? Having passwords in some file is usefull
> for roles with different smtp servers.

I do alot of SMTP auth, and the passwords get stored in my .pine.pwd after
I enter them once and pine asks if to store them.

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From: Greg Dec <[email protected]>
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Subject: PINE shows first INBOX message as /usr/var/spool/mail/username
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Occasionally, we have some users who find that when they open the INBOX
folder with PINE, the messages seem to be all grouped under the first
message

/var/spool/mail/username

Now, i figured somthing was corrupting the users INBOX file under
/var/spool/mail. When I opened the file in a text editor, I noticed
that there are one or two spaces on the first line of the first email
message...right before the "From" part of the header.

I remove the spaces and the problem is solved...the individual messages
under INBOX display normally again. but, what could be causing this?
Most of the users use IMAP via webmail to get their messages...but I
often troubleshoot their accounts using PINE. Forgive me if this not a
PINE error, but I figure someone may be able to point me in the right
direction.

Thanks !

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We occasionally had similar problems if /usr/var/spool/mail ran out of
space in the middle of recopying the inbox to delete messages. The
solution was to not run out of space :-), but when it happened the
symptoms were similar as well as the fix.

Jim

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Greg Dec wrote:

>
> Occasionally, we have some users who find that when they open the INBOX
> folder with PINE, the messages seem to be all grouped under the first
> message
>
> /var/spool/mail/username
>
> Now, i figured somthing was corrupting the users INBOX file under
> /var/spool/mail. When I opened the file in a text editor, I noticed
> that there are one or two spaces on the first line of the first email
> message...right before the "From" part of the header.
>
> I remove the spaces and the problem is solved...the individual messages
> under INBOX display normally again. but, what could be causing this?
> Most of the users use IMAP via webmail to get their messages...but I
> often troubleshoot their accounts using PINE. Forgive me if this not a
> PINE error, but I figure someone may be able to point me in the right
> direction.
>
> Thanks !

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I'm running pine-4.44. Yeah, I know it's an old version but it
works well except for one problem. When I post to a mailing list
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the other messages in the index show the poster's name. I checked
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> When I post to a mailing list the message index shows the "To:" header
> instead of my name.

I think that's an M-S-C "Alt Addresses" thing. You might have to turn on
advanced (? extra? hidden?) config options, though.

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On Jun 19, 2004, 22:26 (-0700) Bob Holtzman <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm running pine-4.44. Yeah, I know it's an old version but it
> works well except for one problem. When I post to a mailing list
> the message index shows the "To:" header instead of my name. All
> the other messages in the index show the poster's name. I checked
> the ~/.pinerc file but can't find anything amiss.

That is a feature of pine. In the message index, the FROM is shown except
when FROM is your own address (or one of your own addresses), then TO is
shown.

I don't think you can change that behavior for the default FROM of your
pine configuration.

Mats

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When I try to save messages from one folder to another folder, Pine tells
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On Jun 20, 2004, 11:51 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:

> When I try to save messages from one folder to another folder, Pine tells
> me that the messages have been saved and it also marks the immediate
> messages for delete. But when I go to the folder I tried saving to, there
> is nothing there.

Do you have folders under different folder collections? Do you use IMAP?
Have you checked that you don't have two folders with the same name under
different folder colections?

Mats

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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Jun 20, 2004, 11:51 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > When I try to save messages from one folder to another folder, Pine tells
> > me that the messages have been saved and it also marks the immediate
> > messages for delete. But when I go to the folder I tried saving to, there
> > is nothing there.
>
> Do you have folders under different folder collections? Do you use IMAP? Have
> you checked that you don't have two folders with the same name under different
> folder colections?
>
>
>
> Mats
>
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>
>

I dont use IMAP. There are no two folders with the same name. I don't
know what you mean by 'folders under different collections.

Kassim

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On Jun 20, 2004, 15:43 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:

> I dont use IMAP. There are no two folders with the same name. I don't
> know what you mean by 'folders under different collections.

If you do not use IMAP, then folders are local files with the same name as
the folder (maybe it is different under windows). You can search for files
with that name. Under Windows you can search if you go to the start
button. Search for "folder*" if the folder is "folder".

Under unix do the following steps (let's assume the name of the folder is
"folder") in a command line window:

# Go to your home directory
$ cd

# Case matters, so if the name is "Folder" you have to search for "Folder"
$ find . -name folder

Do you find two folders with the same name?

Mats

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I am on Linux. The folder I am trying to save is called 'printed'. I
searched and didn't find any dublicates. The funny thing is, it tells me
that "[21 messages saved and deleted]". Could it be a permissions issue?
I have rw on 'printed'.

Kassim

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Jun 20, 2004, 15:43 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I dont use IMAP. There are no two folders with the same name. I don't
> > know what you mean by 'folders under different collections.
>
> If you do not use IMAP, then folders are local files with the same name as the
> folder (maybe it is different under windows). You can search for files with
> that name. Under Windows you can search if you go to the start button. Search
> for "folder*" if the folder is "folder".
>
> Under unix do the following steps (let's assume the name of the folder is
> "folder") in a command line window:
>
> # Go to your home directory
> $ cd
>
> # Case matters, so if the name is "Folder" you have to search for "Folder"
> $ find . -name folder
>
> Do you find two folders with the same name?
>
>
>
> Mats
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Mats Dufberg [email protected]
> Blaoarvsgraend 42 +46-8-38 48 59
> SE-162 45 Vaellingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588
>
>

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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Jun 19, 2004, 22:26 (-0700) Bob Holtzman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'm running pine-4.44. Yeah, I know it's an old version but it
> > works well except for one problem. When I post to a mailing list
> > the message index shows the "To:" header instead of my name. All
> > the other messages in the index show the poster's name. I checked
> > the ~/.pinerc file but can't find anything amiss.
>
> That is a feature of pine. In the message index, the FROM is shown except
> when FROM is your own address (or one of your own addresses), then TO is
> shown.
>
> I don't think you can change that behavior for the default FROM of your
> pine configuration.

Is this "feature" deliberate? If so, what is the rational behind it?

Since this is the Pine users list, I assume most of the posters are using
Pine (DUH!). My posts are the only ones that show the "To:" header. The
question is does this occur in my index only or do my posts show the "TO:"
header in everyones index?

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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
>> On Jun 19, 2004, 22:26 (-0700) Bob Holtzman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running pine-4.44. Yeah, I know it's an old version but it
>>> works well except for one problem. When I post to a mailing list
>>> the message index shows the "To:" header instead of my name. All
>>> the other messages in the index show the poster's name. I checked
>>> the ~/.pinerc file but can't find anything amiss.
>>
>> That is a feature of pine. In the message index, the FROM is shown except
>> when FROM is your own address (or one of your own addresses), then TO is
>> shown.
>>
>> I don't think you can change that behavior for the default FROM of your
>> pine configuration.
>
> Is this "feature" deliberate? If so, what is the rational behind it?
>
> Since this is the Pine users list, I assume most of the posters are using
> Pine (DUH!). My posts are the only ones that show the "To:" header. The
> question is does this occur in my index only or do my posts show the "TO:"
> header in everyones index?

It is only showed that way in your index. Because you are the sender of
the mail, it is more informative to show the recepiant than showing your
own name. So it's just a local feature and does not affect the accual
headers of the mail that is sent.

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> When I post to a mailing list the message index shows the "To:" header
> instead of my name. All the other messages in the index show the
> poster's name.

FAQ.

http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/read.html#indexname

It says newsgroup, but it applies to mailing lists as well.

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Could it be something about this setting in the .pinerc file:

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# the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[]
# Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[]
folder-collections=

??

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Jun 20, 2004, 15:43 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I dont use IMAP. There are no two folders with the same name. I don't
> > know what you mean by 'folders under different collections.
>
> If you do not use IMAP, then folders are local files with the same name as the
> folder (maybe it is different under windows). You can search for files with
> that name. Under Windows you can search if you go to the start button. Search
> for "folder*" if the folder is "folder".
>
> Under unix do the following steps (let's assume the name of the folder is
> "folder") in a command line window:
>
> # Go to your home directory
> $ cd
>
> # Case matters, so if the name is "Folder" you have to search for "Folder"
> $ find . -name folder
>
> Do you find two folders with the same name?
>
>
>
> Mats
>
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On Jun 20, 2004, 21:28 (-0700) Bob Holtzman <[email protected]> wrote:

>> That is a feature of pine. In the message index, the FROM is shown except
>> when FROM is your own address (or one of your own addresses), then TO is
>> shown.
>>
>> I don't think you can change that behavior for the default FROM of your
>> pine configuration.
>
> Is this "feature" deliberate? If so, what is the rational behind it?

Some mail clients have special folders for sent mail. In pine you can put
your outgoing mail messages in any folder and still have them show the
recipient, not the sender.

That is how you want it, don't you?

> Since this is the Pine users list, I assume most of the posters are using
> Pine (DUH!). My posts are the only ones that show the "To:" header. The
> question is does this occur in my index only or do my posts show the "TO:"
> header in everyones index?

Only in your index. In my index, my messages says "To:".

Mats

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On Jun 20, 2004, 18:43 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am on Linux. The folder I am trying to save is called 'printed'. I
> searched and didn't find any dublicates. The funny thing is, it tells me
> that "[21 messages saved and deleted]". Could it be a permissions issue?
> I have rw on 'printed'.

I don't think so...

Try this:

1. Send a short message to yourself.

2. Save that message to a new folder that you do not create before you
save it.

3. Select the message and press "S". You will be prompted for name of
folder.

4. Write "test-message-folder", and press ENTER.

5. Press "Y" when prompted with "...doesn't exist. Create?"

6. Now, go to the command line and find the file "test-message-folder". Do
you find it in the same directory as "printed"?

Mats

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On Jun 21, 2004, 12:34 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:

> Could it be something about this setting in the .pinerc file:
>
> # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is
> # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[]
> # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[]
> folder-collections=

You can save messages to any folder, inlcuding the INBOX. No setting is
needed. I save messages all the time, with no problem.

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I did what you suggested and yes, the file is created in the same folder
(/home/kassim/mail) as the file called 'printed'.

And no, it did not save the message to the new folder.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Jun 20, 2004, 18:43 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I am on Linux. The folder I am trying to save is called 'printed'. I
> > searched and didn't find any dublicates. The funny thing is, it tells me
> > that "[21 messages saved and deleted]". Could it be a permissions issue?
> > I have rw on 'printed'.
>
> I don't think so...
>
> Try this:
>
> 1. Send a short message to yourself.
>
> 2. Save that message to a new folder that you do not create before you save
> it.
>
> 3. Select the message and press "S". You will be prompted for name of folder.
>
> 4. Write "test-message-folder", and press ENTER.
>
> 5. Press "Y" when prompted with "...doesn't exist. Create?"
>
> 6. Now, go to the command line and find the file "test-message-folder". Do you
> find it in the same directory as "printed"?
>
>
>
> Mats
>
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On Jun 21, 2004, 15:23 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:

> I did what you suggested and yes, the file is created in the same folder
> (/home/kassim/mail) as the file called 'printed'.
>
> And no, it did not save the message to the new folder.

So what you say is that the folder is created when you request pine to
save the message, but the message is not saved? Then something must be
broken.

Do you have any space left on device? Is the device local divece or device
over network (such as NFS mounted)? Is the INBOX in the same partition?
When you send mail, are they saved?

I suggest that you start pine with "-d 9" and redo the steps of creating
and saving mail, and then quit pine and study the .pine-debug file.

Do you have confidence in the pine built that you use? Did you build it
yourself? Was it build for the platform it is running on? Was it build ON
the plattform it is running on?

Have you seen any other strange behavior?

Mats

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I noticed another weird behaviour. When I try to save messages from my
INBOX folder to any other folder, it will save the message. When I try
from folders that I have created, it will not save the message.

I installed pine using the RPM install file.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Jun 21, 2004, 15:23 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I did what you suggested and yes, the file is created in the same folder
> > (/home/kassim/mail) as the file called 'printed'.
> >
> > And no, it did not save the message to the new folder.
>
> So what you say is that the folder is created when you request pine to save
> the message, but the message is not saved? Then something must be broken.
>
> Do you have any space left on device? Is the device local divece or device
> over network (such as NFS mounted)? Is the INBOX in the same partition? When
> you send mail, are they saved?
>
> I suggest that you start pine with "-d 9" and redo the steps of creating and
> saving mail, and then quit pine and study the .pine-debug file.
>
> Do you have confidence in the pine built that you use? Did you build it
> yourself? Was it build for the platform it is running on? Was it build ON the
> plattform it is running on?
>
> Have you seen any other strange behavior?
>
>
>
> Mats
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>

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Hello.

I use PINE 4.44, so I do not know whether this feature has been included
in later versions.

The feature that I request, is the enabling of the use of the <Home>
key, in the folder list, so that, if a person is at (but not in) a
folder somewhere in the list, and, presses the <Home> key, the cursor
(and the display) is shifted to the first folder in the list, which, in
my list, is the INBOX.

This feature would be similar to the use of the <Home> key in web
browser windows, when clicking on the key, takes the person to the start
of the web page; similarly, in the PINE folder list, it would take a
person to the start of the folder list.

The feature would be useful when people have large numbers of folders (I
don't know how many hundred folders I have, including archived folders),
rather than repeatedly clicking the <Page Up> key, or using <G> then
entering "INBOX" (from memory, that would operate as "Go to folder
INBOX").

Also, along the same line, perhaps also incorporating the same
functionality, in reading, or viewing, received messages, would be
useful, especially when reading long messages, like some newsletters,
which have lengths of several screens.

Whilst it may be said, that implementing this particular functionality,
in these two cases, might cause confusion, when using the <Home> key
during composing a message, takes the cursor to the start of the current
line, rather than to the start of the message being composed, I am
confident that, for the most part, PINE users would not be too confused,
or, if they are, perhaps, an option in the Settings -> Configuration, to
enable/disable the functionality that I seek, could minimise that
confusion.

Thank you in anticipation.

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Bret Busby wrote:

>
>
> Hello.
>
> I use PINE 4.44, so I do not know whether this feature has been included
> in later versions.
>
> The feature that I request, is the enabling of the use of the <Home>
> key, in the folder list, so that, if a person is at (but not in) a
> folder somewhere in the list, and, presses the <Home> key, the cursor
> (and the display) is shifted to the first folder in the list, which, in
> my list, is the INBOX.
>
> This feature would be similar to the use of the <Home> key in web
> browser windows, when clicking on the key, takes the person to the start
> of the web page; similarly, in the PINE folder list, it would take a
> person to the start of the folder list.
>
> The feature would be useful when people have large numbers of folders (I
> don't know how many hundred folders I have, including archived folders),
> rather than repeatedly clicking the <Page Up> key, or using <G> then
> entering "INBOX" (from memory, that would operate as "Go to folder
> INBOX").
>
> Also, along the same line, perhaps also incorporating the same
> functionality, in reading, or viewing, received messages, would be
> useful, especially when reading long messages, like some newsletters,
> which have lengths of several screens.
>
> Whilst it may be said, that implementing this particular functionality,
> in these two cases, might cause confusion, when using the <Home> key
> during composing a message, takes the cursor to the start of the current
> line, rather than to the start of the message being composed, I am
> confident that, for the most part, PINE users would not be too confused,
> or, if they are, perhaps, an option in the Settings -> Configuration, to
> enable/disable the functionality that I seek, could minimise that
> confusion.
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
>

It has since occurred to me, after trying to use the <Home> key to go
to the start of a message that I was composing, and instead going to
the start of the line, that it might be a good idea, to implement the
requested use of the <Home> key, by using, as used now, the <Home> key
to go to the start of the current line, and, <Shift><Home> to go to the
start of the message, or to the start of the folders list.

That could be useful, both when composing messages, and, when reading
received messages, and, traversing the folders list,and, would reduce
confusion.

The action of the <Shift><Home> keypress combination, also in other
places like the Settings -> Configuration and Settings -> Rules ->
Filters, and in editing the filters themselves, to go to the start of
the material being displayed, could also be useful for traversing the
material being displayed.

--
Bret Busby
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West Australia
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you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of
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A Trilogy In Four Parts",
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published by Pan Books, 1992
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> On Jun 21, 2004, 12:34 (-0400) Kassim Kasmani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Could it be something about this setting in the .pinerc file:
>>
>> # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is
>> # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[]
>> # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[]
>> folder-collections=
>
> You can save messages to any folder, inlcuding the INBOX. No setting is needed.
> I save messages all the time, with no problem.

I've mentioned this before.. on my personal account, I can't save messages back
into the INBOX (such as if a filter did something I didn't expect). I guess in
this specific case, I'm seeing what the originator is.

(and before you ask, my filters are for new messages only, and aren't
re-triggering upon my saving back into the INBOX.. at least not as far as
I can tell.. no duplicate messagse, the save just fails with no error
or anything.)

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So someone sent a message this big to a mailing list..
Parts/Attachments:
1 Shown 24,945 lines Text

pine just chugs for a looong time Busy before I can do anything..

Is there any setting I can change so that I could (1) interrupt it
and/or (2) make it cut off after some size? I mean just stop displaying
in the message view. (Or at least make me hit space or return to go to
the next section if I really wanted to view the whole thing in the pine
viewer)

I sent a note to the guy asking that he not send such huge messages to the
list (if it were an attachment it would be slightly less lame)..

But my having to wait for pine was the biggest annoyance..
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Bret Busby wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > I use PINE 4.44, so I do not know whether this feature has been included
> > in later versions.
> >
> > The feature that I request, is the enabling of the use of the <Home>
> > key, in the folder list, so that, if a person is at (but not in) a
> > folder somewhere in the list, and, presses the <Home> key, the cursor
> > (and the display) is shifted to the first folder in the list, which, in
> > my list, is the INBOX.
> >
> > This feature would be similar to the use of the <Home> key in web
> > browser windows, when clicking on the key, takes the person to the start
> > of the web page; similarly, in the PINE folder list, it would take a
> > person to the start of the folder list.
> >
> > The feature would be useful when people have large numbers of folders (I
> > don't know how many hundred folders I have, including archived folders),
> > rather than repeatedly clicking the <Page Up> key, or using <G> then
> > entering "INBOX" (from memory, that would operate as "Go to folder
> > INBOX").
> >
> > Also, along the same line, perhaps also incorporating the same
> > functionality, in reading, or viewing, received messages, would be
> > useful, especially when reading long messages, like some newsletters,
> > which have lengths of several screens.
> >
> > Whilst it may be said, that implementing this particular functionality,
> > in these two cases, might cause confusion, when using the <Home> key
> > during composing a message, takes the cursor to the start of the current
> > line, rather than to the start of the message being composed, I am
> > confident that, for the most part, PINE users would not be too confused,
> > or, if they are, perhaps, an option in the Settings -> Configuration, to
> > enable/disable the functionality that I seek, could minimise that
> > confusion.
> >
> > Thank you in anticipation.
> >
> >
>
> It has since occurred to me, after trying to use the <Home> key to go
> to the start of a message that I was composing, and instead going to
> the start of the line, that it might be a good idea, to implement the
> requested use of the <Home> key, by using, as used now, the <Home> key
> to go to the start of the current line, and, <Shift><Home> to go to the
> start of the message, or to the start of the folders list.

Rather than a shift combination, this is an
application for repeated <Home>:

<Home> goes to the beginning of the line
<Home><Home> goes to beginning of paragraph
<Home><Home><Home> goes to beginning of buffer

(and similarly for <End>). I don't remember what
editor it was that had this feature; maybe it was
brief.

dan

> That could be useful, both when composing messages, and, when reading
> received messages, and, traversing the folders list,and, would reduce
> confusion.
>
> The action of the <Shift><Home> keypress combination, also in other
> places like the Settings -> Configuration and Settings -> Rules ->
> Filters, and in editing the filters themselves, to go to the start of
> the material being displayed, could also be useful for traversing the
> material being displayed.
>
> --
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> ..............
>
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
> you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
> Chapter 28 of
> "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
> A Trilogy In Four Parts",
> written by Douglas Adams,
> published by Pan Books, 1992
> ....................................................
>

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Thanks to all who replied. I understand it now.

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It would be nice if the Pine build would honour the SSLCERTS parameters on
the build line and use it internally for locating local certificates for
verification. Now it just seems to be used in the build script to check if
the directory exists and some other checks.

The IMAP server make honours the SSLCERTS parameters and uses it to locate
certificates/keys.

Feels stupid to have to recompile OpenSSL just because I want Pine certs
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servers with an alternate location.

Is there an easy way to patch this manually into Pine? I looked at the
code but found no obvious way, so I thought I would ask around before I
dig deeper into the Pine code.

>From imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile:
-DSSL_CERT_DIRECTORY=\"$(SSLCERTS)\" -DSSL_KEY_DIRECTORY=\"$(SSLKEYS)\"

Would it work just adding that to the CFLAGS when compiling Pine?
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Hello,

I need the specifications for the mbx format in order
to write a tool (in perl) to convert files from Outlook
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specifications for the mbx format?

(If such a tool already exists, where can I get it?)

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On Jun 28, 2004, 14:34 (-0700) Suresh Govindachar <[email protected]>...:

> I need the specifications for the mbx format in order
> to write a tool (in perl) to convert files from Outlook
> Express' .eml format. So where can I find the
> specifications for the mbx format?
>
> (If such a tool already exists, where can I get it?)

If you extract the pine distribution you will find FAQ.txt, and there they
write about tools for mbx.

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Composer-wrap in PC-Pine is set to the default of 74.
If I write a message without using carriage returns, all of my lines are
unjustified and display only up the $ sign.
Using control-j doesn't appear to change this at all (version 4.60.)
Once I've written the message, I'd like to read it, unjustified.
Even going to the displayed line doesn't help.
Having blank lines between sections also doesn't let control-j justify
the long lines.
They do appear normal after they're sent, but it'd be nice to be able to
easily read the lines to double-check what I wrote!
Unix Pine doesn't seem to work the same way.
Any ideas or workarounds?
--Rick

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I have mentioned support for the QUOTA command previously but never had a link
to an RFC, IIRC.. (I think I was trying google searches for IMAP quota and
not finding anything useful)

Here's the RFC:
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2087.html

It'd be great if I could see, in my INDEX screen (maybe as something I could
configure for the line at the top of the screen), the quota. If it were
a separate screen to view, that'd be better than nothing, but for some
reason quota is something I like to keep watch on..
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From: "Suresh Govindachar" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Specifications for the mbx format
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Mats Dufberg Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:54 PM
> On Jun 28, 2004, 14:34 (-0700) Suresh Govindachar
> <[email protected]>...:
>
> > I need the specifications for the mbx format in order to
> > write a tool (in perl) to convert files from Outlook
> > Express' .eml format. So where can I find the
> > specifications for the mbx format?
> >
> > (If such a tool already exists, where can I get it?)
>
> If you extract the pine distribution you will find
> FAQ.txt, and there they write about tools for mbx.
>

Here's what I found:

The only FAQ.txt in the distribution was in the directory:
pine4.60/imap/docs/FAQ.txt. This files does not mention any
format conversion tools. It has some discussion (in item
4.5) of how to use the formats given in the file
formats.txt, but but it does not give the specification for
the mbox format.

The web-page:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html
mentions (in 11.17) a tool to convert mh to mbx folders, and
it too does not give the specification for the mbox format.

So I could not find what's mentioned in Mats Dufberg's
response.

--Suresh

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On Jun 28, 2004, 19:04 (-0700) Suresh Govindachar <[email protected]>...:

>>> I need the specifications for the mbx format in order to
>>> write a tool (in perl) to convert files from Outlook
>>> Express' .eml format. So where can I find the
>>> specifications for the mbx format?
>>>
>>> (If such a tool already exists, where can I get it?)
>>
>> If you extract the pine distribution you will find
>> FAQ.txt, and there they write about tools for mbx.
>>
>
> Here's what I found:
>
> The only FAQ.txt in the distribution was in the directory:
> pine4.60/imap/docs/FAQ.txt. This files does not mention any
> format conversion tools. It has some discussion (in item
> 4.5) of how to use the formats given in the file
> formats.txt, but but it does not give the specification for
> the mbox format.

The FAQ talks about tmail and dmail,

+ You can deliver directly to the mbx-format INBOX by use of
the tmail or dmail programs. tmail is for direct invocation
from sendmail (or whatever MTA program you use); dmail is for
calls from procmail. Both of these programs have man pages
which must be read carefully before making this change.

The source for them are in the distribution (pine4.60/imap/src/tmail/ and
pine4.60/imap/src/dmail/, respectively). They could problably be used as a
part in your tool.

Mats

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, robert delius royar wrote:
>doesn't assume that some processing has already occured. This is the best I
>can do to figure out what is going on simply because I don't program Carbon.
>I think it's mainly reserved for OS9 compatibility. I would have thought

This is completely wrong. Carbon is a peer to the Cocoa functionality.
Both are evolving as time goes on, and sometimes they both rely on shared
lower level technologies.

>the OSX-specific sections would have used Cocoa and Darwin only. I don't
>believe you see much Darwin mixed with Carbon development

This is wrong. You can call any routine, such as standard "UNIX" routines,
in any type of program.

>To further complicate things, the Availability Macros were designed to be
>used in Project Builder or (later) Xcode. The only way to import a unix

I don't quite understand this comment. The framework I work on,
HIToolbox (which is a subframework of the Carbon framework) does use
the same AvailabilityMacros, and for historical reasons it uses a makefile.

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Wed, 30 Jun 2004 (12:39 -0700 UTC) Matt Ackeret wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, robert delius royar wrote:
> >doesn't assume that some processing has already occured. This is the best I
> >can do to figure out what is going on simply because I don't program Carbon.
> >I think it's mainly reserved for OS9 compatibility. I would have thought
>
> This is completely wrong. Carbon is a peer to the Cocoa functionality.
> Both are evolving as time goes on, and sometimes they both rely on shared
> lower level technologies.

OK, then there must be some set up that is handled in the standard
Carbon init. For example, the Carbon version of XEmacs included setup code
to init a number of routines so that the features it used which did not rely
on traditional C would work properly when called.

Something must be awry or simply calling Pine using `pine -bail' would not
prevent the http:// view crash. (Debugging level or -d[0-9]* turned out to
be a red hering).

> >the OSX-specific sections would have used Cocoa and Darwin only. I don't
> >believe you see much Darwin mixed with Carbon development
>
> This is wrong. You can call any routine, such as standard "UNIX" routines,
> in any type of program.
>
> >To further complicate things, the Availability Macros were designed to be
> >used in Project Builder or (later) Xcode. The only way to import a unix
>
> I don't quite understand this comment. The framework I work on,
> HIToolbox (which is a subframework of the Carbon framework) does use
> the same AvailabilityMacros, and for historical reasons it uses a makefile.

I was referring to the fact that Pine uses a somewhat non-traditional method to
build the program. Is it possible to import the makefiles for Pine into Xcode
and build Pine?

Regarding the AvailabilityMacros comments in the AvailabilityMacros header file
and the Developer documentation which is referenced in that file both made me
believe that they were designed for a development cycle which was dependent on
features of Project Builder and XCode. For example TN2064 explains how to use
weak linking to allow code specific to different OS versions to be linked in at
runtime using the runtime __attribute__((weak_import)) which modifies a function
definition.

TN2064 states
The Availability Macros are a set of macros was introduced in Mac OS X version
10.2 as a part of the July 2002 Developer Tools. They are contained in a
header which is located at "/usr/include/AvailabilityMacros.h" on such a
system. "AvailabilityMacros.h" helps you determine which OS versions
introduced the APIs you are using, and tells the compiler which routines
should be weakly linked. Over time, more and more of Apple's frameworks will
be adopting the Availability Macros (the Carbon and Cocoa frameworks do to
some degree today).
Then later
There is no obvious way to setthe and settings on a per project basis, if you
are using cpp-precomp for precompiled header processing (the default choice in
the July 2002 Developer Tools and prior) instead of the new Persistent Front
End (PFE) mechanism for precompiled headers (the default choice for new
projects in the December 2002 Developer Tools). This is because there is a
single system-wide copy of the framework precompiled headers that already
assumes values for these defines. Redefining these settings in your project
will break the precompiled headers, and compile times will greatly increase
(along with lots of warnings being generated). There are two ways to fix
this. MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET,MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED,MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED
1. Use the new Persistent Front End (PFE) mechanism for precompiled headers on
a per project basis. You can do this using the Build Settings pane in the
Targets tab of your project.
But there do not appear to be any modifications to the environment to accomplish
this in the current set up for 4.60.

In fact when we compile the code on 10.3.4, the code in osx_build_mime_type_cmd
that the macro MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_2 appears to be designed to obscure gets
linked in and runs. It appears that the return from this function is what
causes the later crash. The MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3 code gets left in on 10.2 systems
and then creates compile-time errors (at least according to other reports from
people with 10.2.8 using the latest Apple dev tools for that platform). I
believe this is the result of the macros being treated as though they were
preprocessor booleans (i.e. #ifdef is used) contrary to the documentation for
their use (cf. __attribute__((weak_import))). If the code for 10.2 is excluded
from a 10.3 build, the crash viewing html files that I and others have seen does
not occur. The files launch properly.

--
Dr. Robert Delius Royar Associate Professor of English
Morehead State University Morehead, Kentucky
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were a True Lord to move them--but if we search for evidence of this Lord we
fail to find any.
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