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Can this be displayed? I have about 4 folders, it would be more
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----- Message Text -----
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:
=20
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Bob Holtzman wrote:
>
> > [Mail not sent: <[email protected]>... Relaying denied. Proper=20
authenticatio]
>
> That error message is truncated. Check the message journal to see if yo=
u
> can get the entire error message, or check your pine-debug file.

The message doesn't show up in /var/log/messages and there is no pine-deb=
ug=20
file.

>
> My guess is, your SMTP server is in a different domain than your From:
> header. So it will deny relaying unless you authenticate. Try
> authenticated SMTP.

The SMTP server in my .pinerc file is mail.sonic.net. As I said, htere ha=
ve=20
been no changes to the configuration file in a long time. Also,=20
mail.sonic.net works in Kmail (which I'm using now) and Eudora in W95.

>
> > Bob Holtzman
> > "If you think you're getting free lunch
> > ............check the price of the beer!"
>
> Seeing it a second time didn't make it funnier. Check your signature
> inclusion mechanism.

Sorry about the sig. It was a copy and paste screw up. Also it isn't mean=
t to=20
be funny. It's the family moto.

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On Nov 1, 2003, 02:21 (-0700) Bob Holtzman <[email protected]> wrote:

> > > [Mail not sent: <[email protected]>... Relaying denied. Proper
> authenticatio]
> >
> > That error message is truncated. Check the message journal to see if you
> > can get the entire error message, or check your pine-debug file.
>
> The message doesn't show up in /var/log/messages and there is no pine-debug
> file.

You can set increased debug level when starting pine.

I would not expect anything in the message log since your are sending
direct to the SMTP server, but if you have access to the server, look in
the mail log, usually /var/log/maillog.

> > My guess is, your SMTP server is in a different domain than your From:
> > header. So it will deny relaying unless you authenticate. Try
> > authenticated SMTP.
>
> The SMTP server in my .pinerc file is mail.sonic.net. As I said, htere have
> been no changes to the configuration file in a long time. Also,
> mail.sonic.net works in Kmail (which I'm using now) and Eudora in W95.

OK, but something is different. Maybe the envelope sender? Are you sending
from the same machine with the same IP address? Are you sure that Kmail
and Eudora do not use SMTP AUTH?

Mats

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On Nov 1, 2003 at 02:21, Bob Holtzman wrote:

>The message doesn't show up in /var/log/messages and there is no pine-debug
>file.

Try .pine-debug*

>Sorry about the sig. It was a copy and paste screw up. Also it isn't meant to
>be funny. It's the family moto.

Did you know that you can define a signature file? That way you won't
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Satya wrote:

> On Nov 1, 2003 at 02:21, Bob Holtzman wrote:
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> >Sorry about the sig. It was a copy and paste screw up. Also it isn't meant to
> >be funny. It's the family moto.
>
> Did you know that you can define a signature file? That way you won't
> have to copy-paste.
>
I have several. The problem was that I generated the message in Pine,
then found I couldn't send it. I copied it to my Windows partition and
pasted it into Eudora. I inadvertently pasted the sig.

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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> The message doesn't show up in /var/log/messages and there is no
> pine-debug file.

The message journal is available from (M)ain (J)ournal

It's a .pine-debug[0-9] file.

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Dear All;

I'm a dedicated pine user (love the interface, love the text based
system), but I'm having trouble with pgp signed messages. pgp4pine works
fine for monolithic signed messages, but it doesn't work at all for
multipart/signed messages. Looking over the web, it appears this is a
commonly known problem with pine itself.

Well, I've got a possible solution. The basic idea is to run the mail
through a filter that reads the various bits of the multipart mail, and
then re-writes the mail into a monolithic signed mail. I consider this to
be _early_ beta at this stage, but I'm releasing it to get any community
feedback I can.

I'm particularly interested in whether the community would prefer a filter
that rewrites the message so pgp4pine (or equivalent) can handle it, or
whether the filter should call pgp/gnupg directly and append the results
of that onto the mail body of the mail.

I've tried the "formail -i" mentioned in the archives, but that doesn't
seem to work for me.

If you are interested, you can get the filter at
http://www.thebeachfamily.org/software/pine_mutt_filter and
http://www.thebeachfamily.org/software/pine_mutt_filter.asc (gpg
signature).

Currently, it uses the Optik option parsing package for
python you can find at http://freshmeat.net. If enough people hate that,
I'll get rid of it.

Thanks,

Steve Beach

[email protected],
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Cornelius C. Noack wrote:

> After updating from 4.56 to 4.58 I find that pcpine crashes
> whenever I try to open a message with an attachment of reasonable
> size, with the error message:
> " incomplete SecBuffer exceeds maximum buffer size"

This almost certainly related to the bug in Microsoft's SSL code, which
PC-Pine makes use of. We've added the feature called
"quell-ssl-largeblocks", where setting that tries to work around most of
the places where the bug is likely to happen, and this feature was
enhanced between 4.56 and 4.58 (though it surpises me that you get a crash
in 4.58 that you wouldn't get in 4.56, is that really the case?).

Of course, ideally Microsoft would issue a patch to fix this bug. It's
been over two years and still no fix, but there are rumors that it might
be deemed worthy enough to grace the next service pack release.

Jeff

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:

> This almost certainly related to the bug in Microsoft's SSL code, which
> PC-Pine makes use of.

> Of course, ideally Microsoft would issue a patch to fix this bug.

Let me guess: they've provided a workaround for it in "MS LookOut!"?

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:
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> > This almost certainly related to the bug in Microsoft's SSL code, which
> > PC-Pine makes use of.
>
> > Of course, ideally Microsoft would issue a patch to fix this bug.
>
> Let me guess: they've provided a workaround for it in "MS LookOut!"?

Supposedly the problem still exists in MS Exchange. I don't know why it's
not as common a problem for clients talking to an exchange server.

Jeff

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I'm trying to compile Pine 4.58 on my new HP zx2000 workstation running
HP-UX 11i. I'm brand new to HP-UX (that's the purpose behind getting the
workstation ) so I'm having a lot of trouble after spending years in a
Tru64 environment. This is complicated by the fact that getting a
workstation with HP-UX pre-loaded gives you a stripped down version of the
C compiler. At any rate, when I try a 'build hpx', it runs awhile and then
dies on the following error:

ld: Can't find library or mismatched ABI for -lnet
Fatal error.
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.
+---------------------------------------------+
| Problems building c-client |
| |
| Please check the output above for a |
| possible explanation for this failure |
+---------------------------------------------+

According to the 'ld' man pages, it's looking for libnet in /usr/lib/hpux32
and /usr/llib/hpux64. I found 'libnet.a' in /usr/conf/lib. I even tried
setting the LPATH environment variable and included all three paths in the
definition to no avail. The port documentation only lists HP-UX version
10. Has anyone managed to compile Pine under HP-UX 11i and, if so, what's
the secret? Thanks in advance.

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Using the Win32 version of Pine458 I find that it has stopped being able
to open the appropriate application for attachments. For example faced
with an octet-stream describing a .doc it says

"attachment OCTET-STREAM unrecognised. Try open by file extension
(.doc)"

When responding Y it works fine, although inconveniently Y is NOT the
default.

Reverting to Pine455 the document gets opened in the right application
(WORD in this case) without any fuss.

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Barry Landy wrote:

> "attachment OCTET-STREAM unrecognised. Try open by file extension
> (.doc)"
>
> When responding Y it works fine, although inconveniently Y is NOT the
> default.

This was changed to be a little more paranoid when opening attachments.
In this particular case, since typically only the fact that
application/octet-stream is displayed without some digging, we felt it
safest to warn before reverting to the file's extension. If the
originating client had labeled the attachment as what it actually was (as
application/msword), pine wouldn't have whined (not entirely true, it
still would have asked to view an external attachment unless the
quell-attachment-extra-prompt feature was set).

It sounds like the quell-attach... feature should also quell this extra
bit about opening by file extension. We'll go ahead and change that
unless there is a large outcry.

Jeff

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On Nov 5, 2003, 16:08 (-0800) Jeff Franklin <[email protected]> wrote:

> This was changed to be a little more paranoid when opening attachments.
> In this particular case, since typically only the fact that
> application/octet-stream is displayed without some digging, we felt it
> safest to warn before reverting to the file's extension. If the
> originating client had labeled the attachment as what it actually was (as
> application/msword), pine wouldn't have whined (not entirely true, it
> still would have asked to view an external attachment unless the
> quell-attachment-extra-prompt feature was set).
>
> It sounds like the quell-attach... feature should also quell this extra
> bit about opening by file extension. We'll go ahead and change that
> unless there is a large outcry.

>From a security point of view, there is now difference. If you have
configured your system to try to open every ".doc" file with MS Word is no
more unsafe than having done so for application/msword files.

Mats

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> From a security point of view, there is now difference. If you have
> configured your system to try to open every ".doc" file with MS Word is no
> more unsafe than having done so for application/msword files.

You're right that there is no difference in how it is opened. The
question is what is a sufficient level of warning that a person should get
that they are about to do something potentially dangerous. The (recent)
default behavior is to warn any time someone is about to do something
outside of pine, which is about as much as we can do. More sophisticated
users should have a way to turn off the nagging.

Jeff

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For what it is worth the sender is an AOL customer, so I guess the
failure to specify application/msword is widespread.

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:

:>On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Barry Landy wrote:
:>
:>> "attachment OCTET-STREAM unrecognised. Try open by file extension
:>> (.doc)"
:>>
:>> When responding Y it works fine, although inconveniently Y is NOT the
:>> default.
:>
:>This was changed to be a little more paranoid when opening attachments.
:>In this particular case, since typically only the fact that
:>application/octet-stream is displayed without some digging, we felt it
:>safest to warn before reverting to the file's extension. If the
:>originating client had labeled the attachment as what it actually was (as
:>application/msword), pine wouldn't have whined (not entirely true, it
:>still would have asked to view an external attachment unless the
:>quell-attachment-extra-prompt feature was set).
:>
:>It sounds like the quell-attach... feature should also quell this extra
:>bit about opening by file extension. We'll go ahead and change that
:>unless there is a large outcry.
:>
:>Jeff
:>

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On Nov 5, 2003, 17:18 (-0800) Jeff Franklin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > From a security point of view, there is now difference. If you have
> > configured your system to try to open every ".doc" file with MS Word is no
> > more unsafe than having done so for application/msword files.
>
> You're right that there is no difference in how it is opened. The
> question is what is a sufficient level of warning that a person should get
> that they are about to do something potentially dangerous. The (recent)
> default behavior is to warn any time someone is about to do something
> outside of pine, which is about as much as we can do. More sophisticated
> users should have a way to turn off the nagging.

It should be the same warning for opening something based on content-type
or "extension". Yes, you should be able to turn it off.

*

A feature request in this area is to be able to dynamically select a
program for an attachment.

Mats

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:

> We'll go ahead and change that unless there is a large outcry.

Here's my small outcry. I'd rather an additional config option be used
to quell this behavior. If Pine is making a decision for me, I'd like to
know about it. When I choose to open an attachment and it is of a known
mime-type, then Pine is making no decision on my behalf. But when it
infers something based on the filename, it is.

With the extra config option, I have the ability to launch attachments
of known type without question, and be prompted for attachments of
unknown type.

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Barry Landy wrote:

> For what it is worth the sender is an AOL customer, so I guess the
> failure to specify application/msword is widespread.

I shouldn't have implied that the sending client was at fault. A client's
ability to correctly label mime-type depends upon a lot of things. For
instance, if the system itself isn't set up correctly (like a lack of some
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Webmail clients have an even harder time of it, with the web server having
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Jeff

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> It should be the same warning for opening something based on content-type
> or "extension". Yes, you should be able to turn it off.

The extension warning is an extra one. This was intended for the case
where content-type displayed to the user is an image, but the file
extension itself is something like .exe. image/gif should always open
whatever program is supposed to handle .gif files, but if there is no
entry for image/gif, the next thing to do would be to open by file
extension, in which case we probably want to warn.

> A feature request in this area is to be able to dynamically select a
> program for an attachment.

We'll consider adding something like this. Some changes already made in
4.60 might address this a very little bit also.

Jeff

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:
>
> > We'll go ahead and change that unless there is a large outcry.
>
> Here's my small outcry. I'd rather an additional config option be used
> to quell this behavior. If Pine is making a decision for me, I'd like to
> know about it. When I choose to open an attachment and it is of a known
> mime-type, then Pine is making no decision on my behalf. But when it
> infers something based on the filename, it is.

I guess a small outcry is just as good as a large one. We'll likely just
go ahead and make it a separate feature. I see your point about wanting
to preserve the behavior of the quell-attach... feature as is. That
doesn't change the point that Mats was making, which was that it is
equally unsafe to open by mime-type as it is to open by extension.
Hopefully this is a happy compromise.

Jeff

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:
> >
> > > We'll go ahead and change that unless there is a large outcry.
> >
> > Here's my small outcry. I'd rather an additional config option be used
> > to quell this behavior. If Pine is making a decision for me, I'd like to
> > know about it. When I choose to open an attachment and it is of a known
> > mime-type, then Pine is making no decision on my behalf. But when it
> > infers something based on the filename, it is.
>
> I guess a small outcry is just as good as a large one. We'll likely just
> go ahead and make it a separate feature. I see your point about wanting
> to preserve the behavior of the quell-attach... feature as is. That
> doesn't change the point that Mats was making, which was that it is
> equally unsafe to open by mime-type as it is to open by extension.
> Hopefully this is a happy compromise.
>
> Jeff
>

Jeff, we would definitely appreciate this as an additional feature as
well. Some of our users have asked about it, and it would be nice to make
it auto-magically work for them.

Thanks!

Rob

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Robert Larmon
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Robert Larmon wrote:

> Jeff, we would definitely appreciate this as an additional feature as
> well. Some of our users have asked about it, and it would be nice to make
> it auto-magically work for them.

That settles it. We'll go ahead and make it a separate feature.

Jeff

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Hello all,

version 4.58 of pine doesn't seem to be able to open connections for
sending mail or news on IRIX 6.5.21f. I'm using the same version on
Linux-2.4.20 (glibc-2.1.3/2.3.2) and Solaris-2.8 without any problems.
Anything up to and including 4.55 used to work fine on IRIX as well. I've
tried compiling 4.58 using gcc-3.2.3 as well as MIPSpro cc 7.2.3.1m. It
can open connections to IMAP and NNTP servers for reading but when I try
to send a mail via SMTP or post to a group using NNTP I get something like

[Error sending: Can't connect to mailserver,25: Invalid argument]

I've tried walking the code but can't find anything. Any hints would be
greatly appreciated. Has anything related to opening of outgoing
connections changed substantially from 4.55 to 4.58?
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It'd be great if I could filter by size. It seems like most of the
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If I could move anything over 100K to my suspected spam folder, that'd
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I'm *very* new to pine. I've been reading the docs, faqs, etc. I've been
experimenting with my .pinerc, and changing the settings from within pine.

I'm still missing something about threading. When I first start up pine,
my mailbox view is not threaded. I have to do $ H before the threading
shows up.

What configuration am I missing so that this will be the default behavior
when I start up pine? Here's my current thread settings:

thread-index-shows-important-color
slash-collapses-entire-thread
threading-display-style=mutt
threading-index-style=exp
threading-indicator-character=>
threading-expanded-character=-.
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Maybe I've read the answer in an FAQ somewhere, but didn't recognize it for
the jewel that it was...

Thanks,

d
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Just Another MD Owner wrote:
>What configuration am I missing so that this will be the default behavior
>when I start up pine? Here's my current thread settings:

sort-key =
Set Sort Options
--- ----------------------
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( ) Arrival
( ) From
( ) To
( ) Cc
( ) Date
( ) siZe
( ) OrderedSubj
( ) scorE
(*) tHread
( ) Reverse Subject
( ) Reverse Arrival
( ) Reverse From
( ) Reverse To
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> sort-key

Ah! I see. Thanks!

d

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Hello.

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Scouring the web I see there are sending-filters for pine, with
parameters which map to the temp files pine uses when creating
messages. The docs are OK, but I was wondering if there are any
examples out there of such filters so I can get a better feel for
this.

These days there seems to be an increasing tendency for people to
munge addresses in an attempt to foil spammers. The RFCs say this
should not happen, but they pre-date the present scale of the spam
problem. What I want to do is to prevent myself from mailing to
addresses that contain /spam/i -- things like
[email protected], by mistake. I don't need the filter to
correct the address, just prevent me sending when I've forgotten to
check whether the address is munged. Clearly I need to be able to
override the block if I want to sent to anti-spam sites which
legitimately have spam in the domain name.

This needs access to the To:, CC: and BCC: headers, and I'll have to
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examples of filters that access this info then I'd be interested in
seeing them so I can be more confident about crafting something
myself.

Thank you
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:

> These days there seems to be an increasing tendency for people to
> munge addresses in an attempt to foil spammers. The RFCs say this
> should not happen, but they pre-date the present scale of the spam
> problem.

Hrmph. If anyone *sends* me (non-spam, solicited) mail where I have to
unmunge their address to reply to 'em, they'll be waiting for hell to
freeze over before I bother to reply. While I can understand (if not
condone- that's what "procmail" is for) address munging in public fora,
having it go out that way on private E-mail is just *dumb*.

-Kenny

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Does pine-4.44-19.73.0 support SMTP authorization? My ISP recently
changed their leased line provider and at that point I began to get
"relaying denied" errors with a reference to authorization. It
turned out that when The ISP talked the provider into allowing
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Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.

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On Nov 11, 2003, 14:13 (-0700) Bob Holtzman <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Does pine-4.44-19.73.0 support SMTP authorization? My ISP recently
> changed their leased line provider and at that point I began to get
> "relaying denied" errors with a reference to authorization. It
> turned out that when The ISP talked the provider into allowing
> relaying the problem disappeared. The provider, however, does't
> like allowing relaying and may eliminate it in the future.I looked
> all over the $HOME/.pine rc file and couldn't find a reference to
> SMTP authorization. Did I miss something?

Goto "setup" in the main menu. Press "c" for "config", and put the cursor
over "smtp-server =". Then press "?" to get help, and there you'll find
information.

Mats

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Yes, for smtp-server you would put the following:

smtp.host.com/user=youruser

You should be prompted after that.

Some SMTP auth have email address as the user, in that case put:

smtp.host.com/[email protected]

You may have to escape the "@" (I don't actually remember off the top of
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smtp.host.com/user=user\@host.com

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Bob Holtzman wrote:

>
> Does pine-4.44-19.73.0 support SMTP authorization? My ISP recently
> changed their leased line provider and at that point I began to get
> "relaying denied" errors with a reference to authorization. It
> turned out that when The ISP talked the provider into allowing
> relaying the problem disappeared. The provider, however, does't
> like allowing relaying and may eliminate it in the future.I looked
> all over the $HOME/.pine rc file and couldn't find a reference to
> SMTP authorization. Did I miss something?
>
> Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>

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Thanks to an example from Eduardo Chappa I now have a working
script.

The script below is written in ruby. If you are unfamiliar with
Ruby see for example http://www.ruby-lang.org/ and
http://www.rubygarden.org/

The filter is setup using the M(enu) S(etup) C(onfig) screen in
Pine. The commandline supplied to sending-filters is described in
the comments at the script start.

Additional remarks:
When the script "fails" -- i.e. traps a munged address, the screen
clears and there is a failure message from Pine, then one is told to
hit return, before the status line (supplied in _RESULTFILE_) is
displayed. There seems to be no way to inhibit this sequence of
events, and instead just have the message unsent with the supplied
status line displayed. (This latter behaviour is what happens when
no recipients are specified, for example.)

The sending-filter can fail either by deleting the _TMPFILE_ or by
returning a non-zero exit status. (Actually, I have not tested what
positive values of exit status achieve, only 0 or negative.) Both of
these modes cause the screen to clear as above.

I hope this information is of use to someone else.
Thank you,
Hugh

#!/usr/local/bin/ruby -w

# Pine filter. When setup with
#
# sending-filters=/full/path/to/this/filter _TMPFILE_ _RESULTFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_
#
# then ARGV[0] contains the name of the temp file holding message
# as it is, and as it will be when filtered. To cause this to fail
# delete this file. Deleting the file still leaves the message body
# in pine as it was. Alternatively exit with -1 instead of 0.
#
# ARGV[1] is the results file that will be created
# by this program, i.e. a status message.
#
# ARGV[2..-1] will be the recipients, including those in bcc lines
#

message = nil
ARGV[2..-1].each {|recipient|
case recipient
when /spam/i, /example.com$/i
message = "#{recipient} possibly munged"
break
end
}

unless message.nil?
open(ARGV[1],"w"){|fp| fp.puts message }
File.delete(ARGV[0])
exit(-1)
end
exit(0)

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Hiya,

Using pine4.58 whenever I try and Take something to a filter from
anything other than my INBOX (and sometimes even there)
I get the message:

[Config file not changeable, can't change options or settings]

Sometimes quiting pine entirely and restarting it solves the
problem, sometimes it doesn't.

my ~/.pinerc is user/group/other rwx.

Any suggestions?

-James

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On Nov 14, 2003, 12:30 (-0000) James Cummings <[email protected]...:

> Using pine4.58 whenever I try and Take something to a filter from
> anything other than my INBOX (and sometimes even there)
> I get the message:
>
> [Config file not changeable, can't change options or settings]
>
> Sometimes quiting pine entirely and restarting it solves the
> problem, sometimes it doesn't.
>
> my ~/.pinerc is user/group/other rwx.

I could imagen that pine does not like the file to have such lax
permission. Try "chmod 644" or "chmod 640" on the file.

Mats

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Make sure the directory in which the pinerc file is contained is also
writeable.

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Hey,

I am using Pine with multiple roles, is it possible to have Pine recognise
the appropriate role to use, based on the To: header in the mail, when
replying to a mail rather than always defaulting to the primary role.
Currently the only solution I can find is to manually change the headers
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Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Make sure the directory in which the pinerc file is contained is also
> writeable.
>
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

Yup, it seems to be. (though why I should have to make my home
directory world writeable to be able to save pine config is beyond
me. Surely this is a security flaw??) I still occasionally get
the error in any case.

-James

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Nov 14, 2003, 12:30 (-0000) James Cummings <[email protected]...:
>
> > Using pine4.58 whenever I try and Take something to a filter from
> > anything other than my INBOX (and sometimes even there)
> > I get the message:
> >
> > [Config file not changeable, can't change options or settings]
> >
> > Sometimes quiting pine entirely and restarting it solves the
> > problem, sometimes it doesn't.
> >
> > my ~/.pinerc is user/group/other rwx.
>
> I could imagen that pine does not like the file to have such lax
> permission. Try "chmod 644" or "chmod 640" on the file.

Nope, 600, 604 640 doesn't matter, still get the same error message.
Doesn't seem to matter whether I have extremely lax permissions (world
rw or rwx) or extremely tight ones (only user rw) or anywhere in
between.

-James

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1) In a message I got (an announcement of a new Fink package), here's part
of what I see:

[ The following text is in the "UTF-8" character set. ]
[ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ]
[ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

...

The fink package manager has been improved, i
[Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]

I know I had a similar problem like this with another message. I can
view the message fine in a GUI mail program, and the message just has a plain
text part. Even looking at the raw source of the message, I see no
'funky' chars in that sentence or near where it is showing the error.

How do I figure out what's actually wrong or fix it? If I change my character
set, will that work around the problem?

2) The particular bad message is message 2071 when my mailbox is viewed by
thread. When I try to forward it, I get two error messages similar to the
formatting one above (one formatting one, one saying it was unable to forward).

However, the message # given is the message's *arrival* number. i.e. it's
telling me unable to forward message 2066. Shouldn't it really be
showing me the "virtual" message number? I sure think it should.

I'm using pine 4.55.

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, James Cummings wrote:

> Yup, it seems to be. (though why I should have to make my home
> directory world writeable to be able to save pine config is beyond
> me. Surely this is a security flaw??) I still occasionally get
> the error in any case.
>
> -James

Sorry, I didn't mean world writeable, just writeable by you.

Are there any clues in the .pine-debug* file when this happens? If you can
reproduce at will, you could run pine with lots of debugging

pine -d verbose=9,imap=4

and if you would send the resulting debug file to us at
[email protected], we'll take a look at it. Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, James Cummings wrote:
>
> > Yup, it seems to be. (though why I should have to make my home
> > directory world writeable to be able to save pine config is beyond
> > me. Surely this is a security flaw??) I still occasionally get
> > the error in any case.
> >
> > -James
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean world writeable, just writeable by you.
>
> Are there any clues in the .pine-debug* file when this happens? If you can
> reproduce at will, you could run pine with lots of debugging
>
> pine -d verbose=9,imap=4

I would love to but:

jamesc@crow:~$ pine -d verbose=9,imap=4
Argument Error: unknown flag "d", debugging not compiled in

so no .pine-debug* files either. :-(

Not my system so I'm unable to recompile pine either. Sorry that
this isn't very helpful.

The various folders (inbox, read-mail, etc.) are on a remote
server using ssl if that helps...

It seems to happen more frequently when I'm 'T'aking from a
message in read-mail to a Filter... it has never happened
'T'aking to my addressbook.

Any other suggestions?

-James
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I use pcpine 4.58, and, for longer replies to messages, my usual (ASCII)
text editor (TSE) as alternate editor.

Whenever I do that (while the message I reply to is still in the INBOX)
and then send the reply, I get a (warning? error?) message:

[Mail Folder "INBOX" closed due to access error]

But apparently the reply got sent alright. If then I decide to save the
original message, I get the error message

[Message to save shrank!]

(rather frightening words).
Then after closing pine and reopening it, everything is OK.

This is just a bit of a bother, nothing serious, but still:

(i) what does that mean: "message shrank" ?

(ii) Do I misunderstand --and hence misuse -- something ?
(what I can think of is that I should FIRST save the message
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So the first time I started up pine this morning, it ended up hung.
The status wasn't "spinning", nothing.. I left it for many minutes longer than
it normally took.

Then I sampled it. I can't repro this, but I've seen it a few times. I think
it's deadlocked, but I'm not sure. Starting it up again was very
fast.

This is pine 4.55 on Mac OS X.

Analysis of sampling pid 459 every 10.000000 milliseconds
Call graph:
573 Thread_110b
573 start
573 _start
573 main
573 do_broach_folder
573 process_filter_patterns
573 calculate_some_scores
573 match_pattern
573 mail_search_full
573 imap_search
573 mail_search_default
573 mail_search_msg
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573 _sigtramp
573 alarm_signal
573 debugjournal
573 add_review_message
573 debug_time
573 ctime
573 localtime
573 tzsetwall_basic
573 notify_check_tz
573 notify_check
573 token_table_find
573 pthread_mutex_lock
573 semaphore_wait_signal_trap
573 semaphore_wait_signal_trap

Total number in stack (recursive counted multiple, when >=5):
5 mail_search_msg

Sort by top of stack, same collapsed (when >= 5):
semaphore_wait_signal_trap 573

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Hello everyone!

Here is a wierd problem I have noticed with our recent install of Pine 4.44:

A few users have complained that they log into PINE and will see a few
messages in their INBOX folder, but when they go to download the
messages using Netscape mail or other IMAP/POP clients, there are
additional messages that DID NOT show up in PINE. Further, these "new"
messages were OLDER than the ones that managed to be displayed in PINE.
Its almost as if PINE does not display all the new messages that are
there, but evidently the messages are there as other clients seem to
pick them up. Could somehting be moving the messages directly to the
Mbox? I checked all the PINE config files, but nothing is sent to
auto-move or anything like that. Again, its just a few messages here
and there.

I am new to this version of PINE and haven't really looked into it in
detail as of yet. I am sure some of you on here might suggest an
upgrade to the latest version, but this seemed so odd.

_greg

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That ought to mean that the config file is readonly for some reason. That
should mean that Setup/Config fails the same as Take to a Filter. Take to
an address book is a little different, because it is writing into the
address book, not the config file. When you get the failure taking to a
filter you will probably also get it if you try Setup/Config.

I'm not sure how it could be failing some of the time and not other times.
It's hard to debug without further debug info.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, James Cummings wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, James Cummings wrote:
> >
> > > Yup, it seems to be. (though why I should have to make my home
> > > directory world writeable to be able to save pine config is beyond
> > > me. Surely this is a security flaw??) I still occasionally get
> > > the error in any case.
> > >
> > > -James
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't mean world writeable, just writeable by you.
> >
> > Are there any clues in the .pine-debug* file when this happens? If you can
> > reproduce at will, you could run pine with lots of debugging
> >
> > pine -d verbose=9,imap=4
>
>
> I would love to but:
>
> jamesc@crow:~$ pine -d verbose=9,imap=4
> Argument Error: unknown flag "d", debugging not compiled in
>
> so no .pine-debug* files either. :-(
>
> Not my system so I'm unable to recompile pine either. Sorry that
> this isn't very helpful.
>
> The various folders (inbox, read-mail, etc.) are on a remote
> server using ssl if that helps...
>
> It seems to happen more frequently when I'm 'T'aking from a
> message in read-mail to a Filter... it has never happened
> 'T'aking to my addressbook.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> -James
> ---
> Dr James Cummings, Oxford Text Archive, [email protected]
>

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Greetings,

This may not be a PINE problem. We are using SSH Secure Shell
to connect to our MAIL server -- emulation is VT320.

However, if you press CTRL-^, the MARK SET flag is not displayed
and therefore you cannot delete/move multiple lines in a message.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

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*** Steve Lowe ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) This may not be a PINE problem. We are using SSH Secure Shell to
:) connect to our MAIL server -- emulation is VT320.
:)
:) However, if you press CTRL-^, the MARK SET flag is not displayed and
:) therefore you cannot delete/move multiple lines in a message.

Try CTR-6, that is to say do not press the shift key. If that does not
work try ESC ESC ^.

Eduardo
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Following Eduardo's suggestion, then way to turn on MARK SET is the
following keystroke sequence:

ESC ESC ^ (Shift - 6)

Yes, it works!!

Thanks,

-- Steve Lowe
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*** Steve Lowe ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) This may not be a PINE problem. We are using SSH Secure Shell to
:) connect to our MAIL server -- emulation is VT320.
:)
:) However, if you press CTRL-^, the MARK SET flag is not displayed and
:) therefore you cannot delete/move multiple lines in a message.

Try CTR-6, that is to say do not press the shift key. If that does not
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Eduardo
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*** Greg Dec ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) A few users have complained that they log into PINE and will see a few
:) messages in their INBOX folder, but when they go to download the
:) messages using Netscape mail or other IMAP/POP clients, there are
:) additional messages that DID NOT show up in PINE. Further, these "new"
:) messages were OLDER than the ones that managed to be displayed in PINE.
:) Its almost as if PINE does not display all the new messages that are
:) there, but evidently the messages are there as other clients seem to
:) pick them up. Could somehting be moving the messages directly to the
:) Mbox? I checked all the PINE config files, but nothing is sent to
:) auto-move or anything like that. Again, its just a few messages here
:) and there.

Hi Greg,

Here there's an idea that explains in my mind what's happening.

Could it be that your users are using Pine on local access, but
Netscape on an IMAP server?. If so, this is what's happening.

A user connects using Netscape to the server. The server sees a mbox
file, which contains (but may not be) a unix style folder. If this is the
case, the server transfers all the messages from the server to the mbox
file and from that moment, the access is local. The server is like a proxy
between you and mbox. Messages are moved from wherever the inbox is to
the mbox file.

Pine is started in a local session (not through the imap server). Pine
does not see the mbox file, because either the user disabled this driver
or because Pine was compiled without support for this driver (are you
using RedHat?). In this case, pine will only see /var/spool/mail/ and use
that as the INBOX. Messages stay in /var/spool/mail.

If a user uses Pine and later Netscape in this form, Netscape will see
all messages in the spool plus those in the mbox file, giving the user the
idea that Pine missed some messages.

Here there are some possible solutions for you:

1. Make users use the IMAP server to read their e-mail. Pine can be
configured to read e-mail through imap. Simply define the inbox-path
variable as

inbox-path={your.imapserver.com/user=UserId}inbox

All messages will be in mbox when they read them.

2. Another possible solution is to build Pine from scratch. If my hunch is
correct and you are using RedHat, the problem will be solved
immediately by building a fresh copy of Pine. Consider upgrading to
4.58, which solves all security holes found so far.

3. Rebuild the server and disable the mbox driver before building.
Transfer all messages from mbox to /var/spool/mail. Future access to
INBOX will be in /var/spool/mail, instead of mbox.

My personal advice, is consider 1, then 3 and then 2. I am strongly biased
towards 3. In my opinion the mbox driver is a bad idea, exactly because of
your problem, but that's just my opinion. Other people think differently.

Take a look at my web page

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/pine-info/build/

for some more explanation on the mbox driver and how to disable it during
compilation.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> That ought to mean that the config file is readonly for some reason. That
> should mean that Setup/Config fails the same as Take to a Filter. Take to
> an address book is a little different, because it is writing into the
> address book, not the config file. When you get the failure taking to a
> filter you will probably also get it if you try Setup/Config.

Nope, the setup/config never has claimed to be unchangeable.

> I'm not sure how it could be failing some of the time and not other times.
> It's hard to debug without further debug info.

*shrug* ok, I'll send it to the support people here. At least to see if
they can turn on debugging.

-James

>
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, James Cummings wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, James Cummings wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yup, it seems to be. (though why I should have to make my home
> > > > directory world writeable to be able to save pine config is beyond
> > > > me. Surely this is a security flaw??) I still occasionally get
> > > > the error in any case.
> > > >
> > > > -James
> > >
> > > Sorry, I didn't mean world writeable, just writeable by you.
> > >
> > > Are there any clues in the .pine-debug* file when this happens? If you can
> > > reproduce at will, you could run pine with lots of debugging
> > >
> > > pine -d verbose=9,imap=4
> >
> >
> > I would love to but:
> >
> > jamesc@crow:~$ pine -d verbose=9,imap=4
> > Argument Error: unknown flag "d", debugging not compiled in
> >
> > so no .pine-debug* files either. :-(
> >
> > Not my system so I'm unable to recompile pine either. Sorry that
> > this isn't very helpful.
> >
> > The various folders (inbox, read-mail, etc.) are on a remote
> > server using ssl if that helps...
> >
> > It seems to happen more frequently when I'm 'T'aking from a
> > message in read-mail to a Filter... it has never happened
> > 'T'aking to my addressbook.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > -James
> > ---
> > Dr James Cummings, Oxford Text Archive, [email protected]
> >
>

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Hey folks, just a quick feature request when someone has the time and
inclination (I doubt I will anytime soon, which is why it's not a patch being
posted instead :> )

I use Pine to connect to an IMAP server, and from home I tend to use my OS X
"Mail" program as well; we also have a webmail system setup for users here
too. Of the three, Pine is the only one that does not offer a "Move deleted
messages to trash" type of feature, while the other two give the option as
well as a way to specify the name of the trash folder.

Would this be something easy to implement? I searched the archives and have
not seen anyone else ask for it, so it may not be a highly requested feature,
but for someone like me who has been using Pine for many years it would be
easier to know that after marking a bunch of messages, "adx" would have the
same effect as "asTrash<CR>" and be fewer keystrokes.

Thanks!

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On 19 Nov 2003 Steve Huston ([email protected]) wrote:
> ...
> Of the three, Pine is the only one that does not offer a "Move deleted
> messages to trash" type of feature, while the other two give the option as
> well as a way to specify the name of the trash folder.
>
> Would this be something easy to implement? I searched the archives and have
> not seen anyone else ask for it, so it may not be a highly requested feature,
> but for someone like me who has been using Pine for many years it would be
> easier to know that after marking a bunch of messages, "adx" would have the
> same effect as "asTrash<CR>" and be fewer keystrokes.

I talk about some possible workarounds for this on my Power Pine
page in the section "Saving Your Trash" which is here:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#saveTrash>

Since you use multiple IMAP clients, you could set
expunge-only-manually and then let the other IMAP clients move
them to the Trash mailbox.

I have a related wish in my Pine Wish List, namely

* Support for RFC-2359, IMAP4 UIDPLUS extension, which would
allow users to expunge some -- but not all -- messages that
are marked for deletion in a mailbox.

This and other of my Pine wishes are here:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishesMisc>

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When I use a maildrop to snarf messages, the status info (Read,
Flagged, Answered, etc.) is lost. I have not tested this with all
types of MaildropFolder/DestinationFolder combinations but I know
that this happens when both the MaildropFolder and
DestinationFolder are local mailboxes being accessed by local
file system calls (rather than POP, IMAP, or NNTP), i.e.:

local box -> local box

Before I spend time testing this with other combinations, most
notably

IMAP box -> IMAP box
IMAP box -> local box
local box -> IMAP box

I have a question: Are the status flags supposed to be preserved
during the snarf?

Thanks,
Nancy

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James,
Thanks very much for taking the time to compile it and send the debug
file. Here's a simple patch that should fix this problem. It will be
included in the next pine. Thanks!

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

*** other.c.dist Thu Nov 20 17:22:00 2003
--- other.c.new Thu Nov 20 17:22:43 2003
***************
*** 13486,13505 ****
--- 13486,13507 ----
if(rtype == 'f')
defpat->patgrp->fldr_type = FLDR_SPECIFIC;

defpat->patgrp->folder = string_to_pattern(s);
fs_give((void **)&s);
}
}

role_type_print(title, "ADD NEW %sRULE", rflags);

+ opt_screen = NULL;
+
if(role_config_edit_screen(ps, defpat, title, rflags,
&newpat) == 1 && newpat){

if(ps->never_allow_changing_from && newpat->action &&
newpat->action->from)
q_status_message(SM_ORDER|SM_DING, 3, 7,
"Site policy doesn't allow changing From address so From is ignored");

if(rflags & ROLE_DO_ROLES && newpat->patgrp && newpat->patgrp->nick){
PAT_S *pat;

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> James,
> Thanks very much for taking the time to compile it and send the debug
> file. Here's a simple patch that should fix this problem. It will be
> included in the next pine. Thanks!

That change has fixed the problem (or at least I couldn't duplicated it
in about 10 attempts). Thanks very much for the prompt help. Those
running the systems don't want to recompile it, so I've just stuck
the binary in my own ~/bin directory and will live with that until
they upgrade.

many thanks,
-James

>
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>
> *** other.c.dist Thu Nov 20 17:22:00 2003
> --- other.c.new Thu Nov 20 17:22:43 2003
> ***************
> *** 13486,13505 ****
> --- 13486,13507 ----
> if(rtype == 'f')
> defpat->patgrp->fldr_type = FLDR_SPECIFIC;
>
> defpat->patgrp->folder = string_to_pattern(s);
> fs_give((void **)&s);
> }
> }
>
> role_type_print(title, "ADD NEW %sRULE", rflags);
>
> + opt_screen = NULL;
> +
> if(role_config_edit_screen(ps, defpat, title, rflags,
> &newpat) == 1 && newpat){
>
> if(ps->never_allow_changing_from && newpat->action &&
> newpat->action->from)
> q_status_message(SM_ORDER|SM_DING, 3, 7,
> "Site policy doesn't allow changing From address so From is ignored");
>
> if(rflags & ROLE_DO_ROLES && newpat->patgrp && newpat->patgrp->nick){
> PAT_S *pat;
>

---
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> [...]
>
> Before I spend time testing this with other combinations, most
> notably
>
> IMAP box -> IMAP box
> IMAP box -> local box
> local box -> IMAP box
>
> I have a question: Are the status flags supposed to be preserved
> during the snarf?
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy

This is working as designed. All state is lost when the copy is made. We
didn't have any strong reasons for doing it that way, it just seemed like
the right thing to do to have the messages be New after they were snarfed
from the mail drop. What is it you are doing that would make use of the
state? Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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On 24 Nov 2003 Steve Hubert ([email protected]) wrote:
> >
> > I have a question: Are the status flags supposed to be preserved
> > during the snarf?
>
> This is working as designed. All state is lost when the copy is made. We
> didn't have any strong reasons for doing it that way, it just seemed like
> the right thing to do to have the messages be New after they were snarfed
> from the mail drop. What is it you are doing that would make use of the
> state? Thanks.

Well I like having the messages that are snarfed marked Recent
and I'm not suggesting that you change that but I'd definitely
like to have the other status flags preserved, namely:

Read (aka Seen, sometimes aka 'Not New')
Answered
Important

I can think of a lot of scenarios where this makes sense, for
example:

1] You have a remote IMAP-accessible maildrop provided by your
mobile phone company. When you are out and about you access these
messages with your mobile phone. You reply to some, mark some
important, leave some unread. When you get back to trusty pine,
you snarf those messages to your long-term message store location
(either local or another IMAP server).

2] Your university's IMAP server does not support procmail so you
route all your messages to a machine that you've set up with
procmail, spamassassin, virus snaggers, etc. Procmail sorts the
messages into blue, green, yellow, and red mailboxes (or whatever
you call them). Then you use your local mail clients to deal with
these mailboxes (again reading, answering, and flagging some
messages). Then you use Pine's maildrop feature to snarf your
green and blue mailboxes and put them on your University's IMAP
server because they have a groovy web-based front end to their
IMAP server that can only be used with mailboxes that are on the
University's IMAP server. [Note that this is a real scenario that
I've been discussing in private email with an old-time Unix geek
that I've know (electronically) since the good old days of the
early 1990s.]

3] You like your archived mailboxes to be very large, i.e.,
thousands of messages, but you want to be able to deal with Recent
messages quickly. So you set up a two-tier snarf process that
looks like this in your incoming-folder list.

incoming-folders=whatever,
#move -cmp =cmp
#move {usenet.server/nntp}#news.comp.mail.pine -cmp
etc

The first #move command moves all the messages in the -cmp
mailbox to the =cmp mailbox. The next #move command moves all the
messages in the comp.mail.pine Usenet newsgroup to the (now
empty) -cmp mailbox. You then read, reply to, and flag some these
messages. The next time you use TAB to cycle through your
incoming-folders list, this two-tiered snarf is repeated.
[BTW, I do this!]

In all three of these scenarios, it makes sense to maintain the
status flags. I actually cannot think of a scenario where you
would want to lose this information.

I hope this makes sense,
Thanks!
Nancy

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Excuse me if this has been answered before, but I just joined the
list, and didn't see it on the FAQ list.

I use pine when I'm out of town and accessing my IMAP mailboxes.

I'd like to have pine go to the first (lowest numbered) "NEW" message
in the folder when I pick a folder.

How can I do this (if at all)?

Thanks!
(4.58 if it matters).

LER

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From: Shane Mitchell <[email protected]>
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Subject: Collapsing / Expanding all threads in a mailbox
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Hello,

is there a command in Pine to collapse/expand all threads in a mailbox,
when the current Sort view is threaded?

Thanks

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