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From: Reinout van Schouwen <[email protected]>
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Hello all,

I'm using Eduardo's patched version of pine 4.58 and I think I've found a
small bug.

Scenario 1: Set a role for use in some e-mail folder. Go to the folder,
select a message and press F (forward). Pine correctly asks me if it
should use the defined role.

Scenario 2: Same as scenario 1, but this time select multiple messages,
and then Apply, Forward. Pine correctly asks if it should make a MIME
digest out of the forwarded messages but *doesn't* offer me the choice to
use a different role!

Hope this can be fixed... :-)

regards,

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Hello,

I am setting up pc-pine, so I can run it from my USB stick on any internet
conncted PC out there.
It uses our IMAPS/SMTP-Auth-server, so I can just plug it in any PC, read
my mail, send some mail, unplug it and go away.

But there are 2 things left to do:

- can I start pine in a way that it does *not* save any registry keys?
(right now I start a bat file, calling "pine -registry clearsilent after
pine. But this is not "cool") i.e. something like

pine -dont-save-registry

- can I tell pine, to use my stored passwords but
not to ask me, to save additional passwords any more (I have
stored my smtp-auth-passwd there, but I do ot want to store my imap
password) i.e something like

pine -dont-save-passwd

I didn't find any ways to achieve this. If these features are not
included yet, I suggest to add them. Using pc-pine on a USB stick is a
really neat thing to have.

bye, ju

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*** Reinout van Schouwen ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) I'm using Eduardo's patched version of pine 4.58 and I think I've found
:) a small bug.
:)
:) Scenario 1: Set a role for use in some e-mail folder. Go to the folder,
:) select a message and press F (forward). Pine correctly asks me if it
:) should use the defined role.
:)
:) Scenario 2: Same as scenario 1, but this time select multiple messages,
:) and then Apply, Forward. Pine correctly asks if it should make a MIME
:) digest out of the forwarded messages but *doesn't* offer me the choice
:) to use a different role!

Hello Reinout,

I agree pretty much about what you say. It seems to me that if all
selected messages match one role, then that role should be used. It looks
like intended behavior, though. This behavior is present in all versions
of Pine (patched or unpatched).

I'll see if I can do something about it to improve it.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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I am using pcpine 4.56, and a commercial IMAP server. Since about a week
ago, upon opening pcpine, I sporadically get a strange error message:

"IMAP protocol error: syntactically invalid command"

Then, after a short wait, my INBOX loads, and no further disturbance.
This happens sporadically, i.e. NOT always. As far as I can see, the
error message goes away most of the time, after I have deleted all the
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reproducible.

What might be going on ?

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I can't get certain key strokes to work for any of my users. I've tried
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The system is properly detecting those keys and gives me errors that
they are not supported, though I have the appropriate features turned
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From: Mrs Serena Jones
PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO USED IT FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
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Is there any way I can send messages through a specified tool?

Basically I want to pipe the message contents to an external tool.

Is it possible? It doesn't seem to be, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

We can set up our bug system to send mail for the bugs we've indicated interest
in. It'd be great if I could pipe messages to an external tool that figures
out the bug #s in the messages rather than manually copying and pasting.

esp if I could do it once to several messages at once..
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Hi,

In my configuration my character set is defined at utf-8.

A message arrives marked as utf-8 with 8-bit C-T-E.

If I cat or use vi or use pico to view the folder/file containing the
message it will display properly on my screen.

However, it does not display correctly when viewed inline within pine.

Also, exporting the message results in a file that has the same
incorrect view in vi, pico, etc. as when viewing the message in pine.

What can be done to have the message displayed correctly and exported
correctly?

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On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> Is there any way I can send messages through a specified tool?

(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig

sending-filters = /path/to/your/filter

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On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

>Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:33:08 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Gopi Sundaram <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: send message(s) through tool?
>
>On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
>> Is there any way I can send messages through a specified tool?
>
>(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig
>
> sending-filters = /path/to/your/filter

Thanks for the reply, but that's not what I mean. Maybe my use of
the "send messages" was confusing.. But I did mention:
esp if I could do it once to several messages at once..

I want to select messages in my INBOX and pipe them through a command..
I'd want several ones to be done together, as one command.

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On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> I want to select messages in my INBOX and pipe them through a
> command.

(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig

[X] enable-unix-pipe-cmd

Works only on UNIX Pine.

> I'd want several ones to be done together, as one command.

(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig

[X] enable-aggregate-command-set

Then, after you select the messages, (A)pply (|)Pipe

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I've found that since I upgraded to Pine 4.58 (from 4.56?), I've not been
able to use this functionality.

I have the selections that Gopi has provided below, but when I try and
pipe ANY message, I ALWAYS get the following error:

Can't exec cat
Reason: No such file or directory

Any idea on why this might be?

Thanks in Advance,
Zeb

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

:On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:
:
:> I want to select messages in my INBOX and pipe them through a
:> command.
:
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:
: [X] enable-unix-pipe-cmd
:
:Works only on UNIX Pine.
:
:> I'd want several ones to be done together, as one command.
:
:(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig
:
: [X] enable-aggregate-command-set
:
:Then, after you select the messages, (A)pply (|)Pipe

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Hi Zeb!

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Aurangzeb M. Agha wrote:

> I have the selections that Gopi has provided below, but when I try and
> pipe ANY message, I ALWAYS get the following error:
>
> Can't exec cat
> Reason: No such file or directory
>
> Any idea on why this might be?

Do you have put the hole path to cat to the pine setup. Try it, mostly it
works. I stumbled over a problem similar to this a few months ago.

Bye and hope that helps

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Thanks for the suggestion Rico, but that didn't work either:

Can't exec /bin/cat
Reason: No such file or directory

:-(

Zeb

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:On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Aurangzeb M. Agha wrote:
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:
:Do you have put the hole path to cat to the pine setup. Try it, mostly it
:works. I stumbled over a problem similar to this a few months ago.
:
:Bye and hope that helps
:
:Rico
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It would be very nice to have a pinerc feature equivalent to -p; for
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pinerc={imap.dotted.server/user=fred}my-pinerc

It would be intended that this would be the only line in the pinerc file
that contains it.

The use of this is in systems where for security reasons the user does
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On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In my configuration my character set is defined at utf-8.
>
> A message arrives marked as utf-8 with 8-bit C-T-E.
>
> If I cat or use vi or use pico to view the folder/file containing the
> message it will display properly on my screen.

Ok, your display is correctly configured for UTF-8 then.

> However, it does not display correctly when viewed inline within pine.

I went thru this a few months ago.

The reason for this is that the control char and escape sequence filter
in pine is not aware of UTF-8. Some legal UTF-8 byte sequences are treated
as Control sequences by this code.

> Also, exporting the message results in a file that has the same
> incorrect view in vi, pico, etc. as when viewing the message in pine.

Yes, pine export uses the same filter chain as view.

> What can be done to have the message displayed correctly and exported
> correctly?

Currently, there is no clean fix, you can only disable the
control char and escape sequcent filter completely by enabing

pass-control-characters-as-is

in the pine configuration menu.

I hope some people will yell now, fix the the control char filter and
send the fix here.

More information is found at:
http://www.suse.de/~bk/pine/FAQ.html
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/utf8.html

There you can find some information on approaches to have pine convert
all mail which is not encoded in UTF-8 8-bit CTE to UTF-8 for correct
display. The patch there is an universal translation patch, not limited
to an UTF-8 configuration.

Bernhard

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I sent this question about 2 weeks ago. Received no answer,
so here is a repeat mailing:

I am using pcpine 4.56, and a commercial IMAP server. Since about a week
ago, upon opening pcpine, I sporadically get a strange error message:

"IMAP protocol error: syntactically invalid command"

Then, after a short wait, my INBOX loads, and no further disturbance.
This happens sporadically, i.e. NOT always. As far as I can see, the
error message goes away most of the time, after I have deleted all the
spam mail, left pine, and restarted it; but this is not in any way
reproducible.

What might be going on ?

ccn.
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On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 18:02, Bernhard Kaindl wrote:

>
> There you can find some information on approaches to have pine convert
> all mail which is not encoded in UTF-8 8-bit CTE to UTF-8 for correct
> display. The patch there is an universal translation patch, not limited
> to an UTF-8 configuration.

Thanks for all the information..... It is now working fairly well....

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As a frustrated end-user I found several questions regarding the
following error message, but no good answers:
[Mail not sent: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts
(#5.7.1)]

Technical discussion of the issue centered on problems in qmail with
relay of mail and similar issues, but I encountered it as a direct
result of switching ISP. I could send mail to users in my ISP's domain
(gtcinternet.com), but nowhere else. They may or may not have a relay
problem, more likely I was hitting up against their anti-SPAM security.
This problem did not occur with my earlier ISP (Earthlink) despite
an identical setup. I think GTC wasn't automatically recognizing that I
was on their network, and thus deserving of sendmail authorization.

The solution that worked for me was as follows:

1) Change the SMTP-server setting in the conifugration menu (4th entry)
to that specified by your mail service provider (Many providers will
not allow you to use a third-party SMTP, so this is often forced upon
you even if you are using PC-Pine exclusively to read a .edu account!).
This is generally of the form smtp.my_isp_name.net,
mail.my_isp_name.com, or some variant thereof that they should make
readily available to you on their webpage or tech support phone number.

2) Add authentication to this smtp by appending /user=username to the
end of the smtp server entry above. For example, (with bogus username)
mail.gtcinternet.com/user=bobby
or
smtpauth.earthlink.net/[email protected]
Note that some ISPs, like Earthlink, use a *different* server for
authenticated SMTP.

3) At this point, efforts to send outbound mail will often be met with
[Error sending: SMTP Authentication cancelled]
This is a seperate problem, which is explained in the archives of this
newsgroup, but for completeness I post the resolution here:
Quit Pine and edit the pine.rc file you are using with a text editor:
Find the lines
> # List of SASL authenticators to disable.
> disable-these-authenticators=
and change this to read
> # List of SASL authenticators to disable.
> disable-these-authenticators=PLAIN
Save the modified file and re-start PC-Pine. Hopefully outgoing mail
will now go on its merry way.
Kudos to Mark Crispin <[email protected]> for solving this latter
problem for all of us.

Those with greater knowledge of this than I, feel free to correct and
tweak, explain and comment on this as you see fit. But having gone
through a lot of effort to figure it out, I wanted to save others from
the same fate (I almost gave up on my new ISP!).

Rob Rossi <[email protected]>
Minneapolis, MN

I post this message here because related discussions took place here
without resolution, and because the newsgroups are not often accessible to
someone who's just switched ISP's and is having this problem (while they
generally can access UW's handy Pine-info archive).

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On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
>> I want to select messages in my INBOX and pipe them through a
>> command.
>
>(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig
>
> [X] enable-unix-pipe-cmd
>
>Works only on UNIX Pine.

Awesome, sorry, I guess I didn't look around to find this!

It seems to do just what I want! (Except that then pine goes into a
'viewer' mode, but I can probably get the tool to be modified to NOT output
anything.. which hopefully would skip this viewer mode? Basically, it
ends up sending a message to another program, and I don't necessarily
care about the output.)

Thanks!

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On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> It seems to do just what I want! (Except that then pine goes into a
> 'viewer' mode, but I can probably get the tool to be modified to NOT output
> anything.. which hopefully would skip this viewer mode? Basically, it
> ends up sending a message to another program, and I don't necessarily
> care about the output.)

Before you hit enter to send the message(s) to the program, (^Y) for
Free output, instead of capturing the output to view.

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I have noticed an oddity (which did not used to happen), true in both
455 and 458.

Trying to access a different email account by supplying a pinerc with
a different userid in it does not work; I just get into my account but
with the config correctly set to the details in the selected pinerc.

It all worked properly before I changed to 455.

Some experimentation shows that it is connected to the PINE.PWD file.

The two accounts involved are for me and my wife (I have her password so
that I can manage her account). Trying to access my wifes INBOX and
folders (different pinerc) I was getting my own instead.

If I deleted the contents of PINE.PWD and then access my wife's folders,
PINE asked me for her password (as expected) and I get to the correct
folders; however, if I then tried to get to my own folders I get my
wife's. Deleting the contents of PINE.PWD again and accessing my folders
I was asked for my password and did get to my folders (but of course
accessing my wife's is now wrong).

It seems that the inbox selected is always that of the first entry in
PINE.PWD.

(In case it matters, though it shouldn't) I am accessing my folders via
a remote pinerc and my wife's via a local pinerc.

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*** Barry Landy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) The two accounts involved are for me and my wife (I have her password
:) so that I can manage her account). Trying to access my wifes INBOX and
:) folders (different pinerc) I was getting my own instead.

Barry,

Could it be related to the way that you defined the inbox-path? Make
sure that it specifies the username, for example

inbox-path = {your.server.com/user=UserId}INBOX
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
add text like this between "{" and "}".

I hope this helps

Eduardo
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Juergen Schmidt wrote:

> But there are 2 things left to do:
>
> - can I start pine in a way that it does *not* save any registry keys?
> (right now I start a bat file, calling "pine -registry clearsilent after
> pine. But this is not "cool") i.e. something like
>
> pine -dont-save-registry

Okay, we've gone ahead and added a command-line option to not write
anything to the registry. This option will be "-registry noset".

> - can I tell pine, to use my stored passwords but
> not to ask me, to save additional passwords any more (I have
> stored my smtp-auth-passwd there, but I do ot want to store my imap
> password) i.e something like
>
> pine -dont-save-passwd

We'll go ahead and add this one too. It will appear as
"-nowrite_passfile".

Jeff

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>...
> Okay, we've gone ahead and added a command-line option to not write
> anything to the registry. This option will be "-registry noset".
> ...
> We'll go ahead and add this one too. It will appear as
> "-nowrite_passfile".

Great news ...

Do you know, in which version they will appear?

thanks, ju

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Recently, my Exchange 5.5 server (SP4, on Windows Advanced Server 2000)
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messages with PINE (4.58 on Linux).

Note that reading those same messages with Outlook 2002 does not crash the
Exchange server.

The particular messages where this happens are on certain mailing lists,
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OpenSSH UNIX Development ([email protected]).

Here are the full headers from one such message:

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Hi

Are there any plans of adding IDN to Pine?

>From 1. january 2004 there will be offered domain names in Denmark
with the special danish letters �� and some more. The standard to
use will be RFC-3490 -3491 -3492 which is all implemented in libidn
( http://www.gnu.org/software/libidn/ )

One way to use libidn could be the way the KDE group does. As I
understand they will look for libidn and load and use it if it is
there. Sound like a good way to solve it.
http://dot.kde.org/1057799730/

Yet, I have not seen any mail programs where IDN is implemented but I
think it could be done quite simple. As an example I will use the
danish word "m�lle" which could be spelled "moelle" in english.
When run through "idn" it becomes:
$ echo m�lle.dk | idn --idna-to-ascii --quiet
xn--mlle-gra.dk

And the reverse way:
$ echo xn--mlle-gra.dk | idn --idna-to-unicode --quiet
m�lle.dk

Sending a mail to test@m�lle.dk with Pine could then be done like:
1. In Pine convert the address from test@m�lle.dk to
[email protected] before saving to send-file.
2. When looking at mails which has been send, all email adresses
should be converted reverse with idn.
3. Received mail which is stored by the local MTA is not
converted addresses. Pine will then convert them before
showing them.

If libidn is loaded all addresses should be converted, even domains
with 7-bit ASCII only. libidn can handle this.

With the above system all domain names stored on disk will always be
in 7-bit ASCII domain names - and people should be less confused.

Is this a little thing to add or do you want me to send a patch?
I have never looked at the source for Pine so it will take me
some time to get in to it.

best regards/hans (Pine user since 1993)
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On Oct 12, 2003, 14:11 (+0200) Hans Schou <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sending a mail to test@m=F8lle.dk with Pine could then be done like:
> 1. In Pine convert the address from test@m=F8lle.dk to
> [email protected] before saving to send-file.
> 2. When looking at mails which has been send, all email adresses
> should be converted reverse with idn.
> 3. Received mail which is stored by the local MTA is not
> converted addresses. Pine will then convert them before
> showing them.

What about URL:s and mailaddresses within the text part, should pine do
anything with them. Say that I write

"...blah blah. Find the last patch at <http://r=E4ksm=F6rg=E5s.se/>. Blah..=
=2E"

Should the URL be saved as it is, or as
"<http://xn--rksmrgs-jiao1opted.se/>"? Do you know if there is any
specification for the HTML standards yet?

Mats

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Is it possible to use some kind of control character (like the \ is
used in C, from memory), to filter on a special character?

For example, the spammers are using characters like commas, underscores,
single quotes, and carets, to break up strings in the subject lines,
and, if I could filter on those characters, in the subject field, it
could reduce the messing around with spam.

I could find no reference to using control characters in the help
facility, other than a reference to using double quotes separated by a
space, for some purpose, so I tried a comma enclosed by double quotes,
but that did not work.

I am using PINE 4.44 running on Red Hat Linux 7.3.

Thanks in anticipation

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Thabks - I will try that. It is not how the pine docs specify how the
default path is defined.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

:>*** Barry Landy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
:>
:>:) The two accounts involved are for me and my wife (I have her password
:>:) so that I can manage her account). Trying to access my wifes INBOX and
:>:) folders (different pinerc) I was getting my own instead.
:>
:>Barry,
:>
:> Could it be related to the way that you defined the inbox-path? Make
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:>
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:> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:> add text like this between "{" and "}".
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On Oct 12, 2003, 14:11 (+0200) Hans Schou <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Sending a mail to test@m�lle.dk with Pine could then be done like:
> > 1. In Pine convert the address from test@m�lle.dk to
> > [email protected] before saving to send-file.

> What about URL:s and mailaddresses within the text part, should pine
> do anything with them. Say that I write

No. Only the mail adresses which is in the fields:
* From
* To
* Cc
* Bcc

The reason why I think it is a good idea to convert the addresses in
the send-file is if the users also uses another mail program which can
not handle idn. Maybe this should be discussed with other mail program
developers such as Kmail, Mozilla and Evolution.

If you send a CC to a person which can not handle IDN, he can still
reply to all as there is no foreign letters in the mail he receive.
All mailers which can handle IDN will show the address with foreign
letters.

One thing is for sure, the address should be converted before it is
delivered to the MTA, as no MTA's can handle idn and probably never
will be able to do it.

> Do you know if there is any specification for the HTML standards
> yet?

As I understand the RFC, URL's written in HTML should be written with
the foreign letters. The browser itself should be able to handle
conversion. Mozilla 1.4 can do this now for browsing but not for
e-mail.

/hans
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Thanks Eduardo - that works fine. It seems to be a change in spec
(INBOX opened before the ID is read in Pinerc?)

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

:>*** Barry Landy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
:>
:>:) The two accounts involved are for me and my wife (I have her password
:>:) so that I can manage her account). Trying to access my wifes INBOX and
:>:) folders (different pinerc) I was getting my own instead.
:>
:>Barry,
:>
:> Could it be related to the way that you defined the inbox-path? Make
:>sure that it specifies the username, for example
:>
:>inbox-path = {your.server.com/user=UserId}INBOX
:> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:> add text like this between "{" and "}".
:>
:>I hope this helps
:>
:>Eduardo
:>http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
:>

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On Oct 12, 2003, 23:29 (+0200) Hans Schou <[email protected]> wrote:

> No. Only the mail adresses which is in the fields:
> * From
> * To
> * Cc
> * Bcc
>
> The reason why I think it is a good idea to convert the addresses in
> the send-file is if the users also uses another mail program which can
> not handle idn. Maybe this should be discussed with other mail program
> developers such as Kmail, Mozilla and Evolution.

Well, I'd say that you must convert IDN domains to ACE in any header field
(not only the ones above) to be RCF 2822 compliant.

> One thing is for sure, the address should be converted before it is
> delivered to the MTA, as no MTA's can handle idn and probably never
> will be able to do it.

I would never say "never". :-)

> > Do you know if there is any specification for the HTML standards
> > yet?
>
> As I understand the RFC, URL's written in HTML should be written with
> the foreign letters. The browser itself should be able to handle
> conversion. Mozilla 1.4 can do this now for browsing but not for
> e-mail.

Have you seen any update to the URL format that permits non ASCII
characters in URL's?

Mats

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Juergen Schmidt wrote:

> Great news ...
>
> Do you know, in which version they will appear?

Whatever the version after 4.58 is. It looks like it will be 4.60. No
word yet on when that would be out.

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I feel terrible whenever I accidently let a message slip out without
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*** Mark T. Valites ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I feel terrible whenever I accidently let a message slip out without
:) specifying subject - is it possible to come up with a role to warn me
:) first or somehow else prevent this from happening?

Mark,

Although you shouldn't feel terrible (it's not a crime), Pine has a
feature called "warn-if-blank-subject", which will help you remember to
add a subject. That feature is not available in Pine4.44, you will need to
upgrade to Pine4.58 in order to enjoy it.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On 1 Oct 2003, Cornelius C. Noack ([email protected]) wrote:

> I am using pcpine 4.56, and a commercial IMAP server. Since about a week
> ago, upon opening pcpine, I sporadically get a strange error message:
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> "IMAP protocol error: syntactically invalid command"
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> Then, after a short wait, my INBOX loads, and no further disturbance.
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> error message goes away most of the time, after I have deleted all the
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Hello --

My thought would be to check your pinerc (configuration) file.

If it is happening at your login, look for any missing, extra or incorrect
letters or character strokes in your domain name. Another likely candidate
would be the server path to your INBOX. Are you using any SECURE(TLS,SSL)
qualifiers ? Are they supported on your IMAP server?

Hope this gives you a starting point & possibly a resolution.

(p.s., check your paths carefully, saying each letter or character stroke
audibly to yourself - sometimes it can be the smallest thing that can
escape a casual glance)

Regards, Tim

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Is it possible to print a folder such as INBOX with all the emails in it?
I tried selecting the folder, and when I printed, it just printed the
folders not the emails.

Or better yet, how I can print multiple emails?
When I selected multiple emails and printed them, Pine just printed the
one email was highlighted.

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Just use the select command (as I guess you have done) to choose which
to print, and then use the Apply (A) command to Print (%) them. Thus to
print all messages in a folder type ; A A %

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:

:>Is it possible to print a folder such as INBOX with all the emails in it?
:>I tried selecting the folder, and when I printed, it just printed the
:>folders not the emails.
:>
:>Or better yet, how I can print multiple emails?
:>When I selected multiple emails and printed them, Pine just printed the
:>one email was highlighted.
:>
:>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
:>

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Excellent! Thank you for that. But...is it possible for it to print
each email on a separate page?

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:39:07 +0100 (BST), "Barry Landy" <[email protected]>
said:
> Just use the select command (as I guess you have done) to choose which
> to print, and then use the Apply (A) command to Print (%) them. Thus to
> print all messages in a folder type ; A A %
>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:
>
> :>Is it possible to print a folder such as INBOX with all the emails in
> it?
> :>I tried selecting the folder, and when I printed, it just printed the
> :>folders not the emails.
> :>
> :>Or better yet, how I can print multiple emails?
> :>When I selected multiple emails and printed them, Pine just printed the
> :>one email was highlighted.
> :>
> :>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
> :>
>
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*** Cloids ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Excellent! Thank you for that. But...is it possible for it to print
:) each email on a separate page?

you need to enable "print-formfeed-between-messages". Some people have
complained that it does not work, in past years. Hopefully it will work
for you.

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Great! It works fine now. Thank you all for your help.

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> *** Cloids ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
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> :) Excellent! Thank you for that. But...is it possible for it to print
> :) each email on a separate page?
>
> you need to enable "print-formfeed-between-messages". Some people have
> complained that it does not work, in past years. Hopefully it will work
> for you.
>
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
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I am wondering, I use fetchmail. I have multitple accounts. Is there a
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Tim M. wrote:
>If it is happening at your login, look for any missing, extra or incorrect
>letters or character strokes in your domain name. Another likely candidate
>would be the server path to your INBOX. Are you using any SECURE(TLS,SSL)
>qualifiers ? Are they supported on your IMAP server?

This prompted me to look at my setup again to see if I was causing the
various SSH warnings I see sporadically (such as trying to compose a message
again, or go to a folder... it sometimes fails, and if it does, I just do it
again and it works).

I have this in my config:
/notls

First of all, I don't actually see TLS referred to in the
Server Name Syntax for Folders
help page. (It does talk about ssh, but I don't have anything related to
ssh in my inbox path)

Nor do I see "no" as an acceptable prefix to turn features off.

Is this "/notls" what's causing my "insecure server advertized auth/plain"
messages, and other failures? (The above one happens but the command succeeds,
I get another one sometimes that causes it to fail.)

I know some people just recompile and comment out that warning.. I'd really
like to get to the bottom of the true cause.

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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:

> I am wondering, I use fetchmail. I have multitple accounts. Is there a
> way to direct email from one account into a specific folder in Pine?

I happen to be using the same configuration.

If I would pay another $10us per month for a
static IP address, I could pick my e-mail up via
ETRN (using fetchmail) and fetchmail would have
the envelope address so it could deliver the
e-mail correctly.

Instead, I am sorting things on the ISP with
procmail and sorting them more on my own e-mail
server / router with procmail. Then the various
users separately login and read their e-mail in
their own accounts. Mostly.

But procmail does not get to see the envelope
data, only the headers and body of the message. So
I correctly sort e-mail that has the addressee's
address in the headers. And I correctly sort the
e-mail that is expected from various mailing lists
even though it comes without the addressee's
address in the headers. Other e-mail ends up in
the postmaster box and waits for me to sort it out
by hand. And the noise to signal ratio in that box
is somewhere between twenty and fifty to one, so
stuff that ends up in that box stands a good
chance of being deleted unread as spam.

The problem is described carefully in the
fetchmail documentation.

pine has some primitive sorting capability, but it
cannot deliver to someone else's mailbox, and it
has the same handicap as do fetchmail/IMAP and
procmail - it does not get to see the envelope.

Some MTAs put information from the envelope into
the headers (X-Real-To:, for example) but when the
ISP delivered it all to one account they put only
one X-Real-To: address in the headers and the
message may have been intended for multiple
accounts on your system.

dan

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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:

> I am wondering, I use fetchmail. I have multitple accounts. Is there
> a way to direct email from one account into a specific folder in Pine?

Yes. Set up a filter. How to determine which mail was sent to which
account is tricky. Filtering on recipients is easy, but not complete.

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Hey,

It's been some time since I've posted to this list, but I've
found something new I'd like, & I can't find the answer either on
the Web or on other lists.

At the moment, I'm using pine 4.50 & bash 2.05 (I'll be
switching from RH to gentoo next weekend, but I should think I'll
have little trouble if I find a solution which applies to my
current config).

Because I will be moving from the US to Poland next year, I am
receiving more & more mail with Central European fonts. While X
supports the set, & I can read Web pages properly with Mozilla,
pine won't support many characters which are common to Central
European, but not the Western or Latin (my primary fonts are for
British English) sets.

As this problem is also happening in my text-based browser w3m,
I suspect that the problem may actually be bash, but no one seems
to know how to help me figure out how to get this worked out.

Anyone here have any idea how I can get this working? I
suppose, when I install gentoo, if I choose the Central European
set as primary, I may be fine, but no one has had any response to
that possibility either....

Meph

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> On 1 Oct 2003, Cornelius C. Noack ([email protected]) wrote:
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> > I am using pcpine 4.56, and a commercial IMAP server. Since about a week
> > ago, upon opening pcpine, I sporadically get a strange error message:
> >
> > "IMAP protocol error: syntactically invalid command"
> >
Thanks everybody who tried to help me. I finally wrote to my IMAP
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know it, and they are working on it!

(Well, it's been more than 2 weeks --- they don't seem to be getting
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I'm using pine 4.55, on Mac OS X. (10.3)

I have a particular message that seems to be 'confusing' pine. After I view
that message (it views fine the first time, as far as I can tell), my
control chars are no longer going to pine.

If I try to look at it (i.e. go back to index, hit return) again, I see:

[Error: Formatting error: Transfer interrupted!]

If I try to look at it yet again (i.e. go back to index, hit return), I see:

[ The following text is in the "ISO-8859-1" character set. ]
[ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ]
[ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
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and so on..

I just realized that I seem to have my control chars back by going back to
the index (maybe a few times?). Previously I was quitting and relaunching
pine since it seemed like it was stuck.

Basically -- does this sound at all familiar? Is there something I could
look for in the message/raw text that might be causing this? It's not
a foreign-language message, btw.

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Meph Istopheles wrote:

> At the moment, I'm using pine 4.50 & bash 2.05 (I'll be
^^^^

Presumeably you don't mind using an older version which has known
remote execution security vulnerabilities that allow a remote
attacker to execute arbitrary code on your system as the user you
run pine as. ;o)

pine 4.58 for RHL is on my ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris space
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Meph Istopheles wrote:
> Because I will be moving from the US to Poland next year, I am
> receiving more & more mail with Central European fonts. While X
> supports the set, & I can read Web pages properly with Mozilla,
> pine won't support many characters which are common to Central
> European, but not the Western or Latin (my primary fonts are for
> British English) sets.
>
> As this problem is also happening in my text-based browser w3m,
> I suspect that the problem may actually be bash, but no one seems
> to know how to help me figure out how to get this worked out.
>
> Anyone here have any idea how I can get this working? I
> suppose, when I install gentoo, if I choose the Central European
> set as primary, I may be fine, but no one has had any response to
> that possibility either....

*** Hi,

I think you should install ISO-8859-2 fonts in your X, then setup your
terminal (xterm, etc) to use this ISO-8859-2 fonts as default (probably the
best solution is to insert

xterm*VT100*font:-misc-fixed-bold-*-*-*-14-*-100-100-*-*-iso8859-2

line in your ~/.Xdefaults - you have to use *-iso8859-2 fonts)

The third think is to setup application (pine, w3m, links, lynx) use iso8859-2
(in pine congifuration

character-set = ISO-8859-2

)

Then it should work fine.

Bye.

Wolf.

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This is wierd. When I view an email in Pine, I cannot select the text
i.e to copy it and use it elsewhere. Is this a feature turned off or am
I doing something wrong? The cursor on the page just goes through the
hyperlinks in the email. Simple thing...but I really need to be able to
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Use pine on Redhat 9. Pine is ver 4.44

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:01:24 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), "Tim M."
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>
>
> On 16 Oct 2003, Cloids ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> > This is wierd. When I view an email in Pine, I cannot select the text
> > i.e to copy it and use it elsewhere. Is this a feature turned off or am
> > I doing something wrong? The cursor on the page just goes through the
> > hyperlinks in the email. Simple thing...but I really need to be able to
> > cut and paste parts of the email.
> >
> > --
> > Cloids
> > [email protected]
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> Howdy --
>
> What version of Pine are you using & what is your type of OS.
>
> For myself, I have Pine 4.58 & Win ME.
>
> With my cursor I can highlight & copy text from an e-mail I am viewing
> and then (C)ompose & paste or (e.g.,) launch notepad & paste.
>
> Regards, Tim
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*** Cloids ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) This is wierd. When I view an email in Pine, I cannot select the text
:) i.e to copy it and use it elsewhere. Is this a feature turned off or
:) am I doing something wrong? The cursor on the page just goes through
:) the hyperlinks in the email. Simple thing...but I really need to be
:) able to cut and paste parts of the email.

You probably enabled mouse support in Pine. When you do so, you must press
the SHIFT key when cutting or pasting.

THe mouse support that you enabled refers to clicking to activate
commands, like opening e-mails, deleting messages and so on. If you
disable this support, then you can cut and paste in the usual way (without
pressing the SHIFT key).

Eduardo
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Thank you very much. That was the problem.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:48:06 -0700 (PDT), "Eduardo Chappa"
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> *** Cloids ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) This is wierd. When I view an email in Pine, I cannot select the text
> :) i.e to copy it and use it elsewhere. Is this a feature turned off or
> :) am I doing something wrong? The cursor on the page just goes through
> :) the hyperlinks in the email. Simple thing...but I really need to be
> :) able to cut and paste parts of the email.
>
> You probably enabled mouse support in Pine. When you do so, you must
> press
> the SHIFT key when cutting or pasting.
>
> THe mouse support that you enabled refers to clicking to activate
> commands, like opening e-mails, deleting messages and so on. If you
> disable this support, then you can cut and paste in the usual way
> (without
> pressing the SHIFT key).
>
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
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On Oct 16, 2003, 10:38 (-0800) Cloids <[email protected]> wrote:

> Use pine on Redhat 9. Pine is ver 4.44

That was an old version...

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Hmmm, I see Pine is upto ver 4.58. The PIne I am using it came with RH9
as an RPM file. Can I just upgrade my downloading the new version of
pine (pine/pine.tar.gz) and unpack it and install?

Or do I have to uninstall the old pine version first?

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> > Use pine on Redhat 9. Pine is ver 4.44
>
> That was an old version...
>
>
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> Mats
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Cloids wrote:

> Hmmm, I see Pine is upto ver 4.58. The PIne I am using it came with RH9
> as an RPM file. Can I just upgrade my downloading the new version of
> pine (pine/pine.tar.gz) and unpack it and install?

I suggest using the RPMs from ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine/

/Sven

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:

>Hmmm, I see Pine is upto ver 4.58. The PIne I am using it came with RH9
>as an RPM file. Can I just upgrade my downloading the new version of
>pine (pine/pine.tar.gz) and unpack it and install?
>
>Or do I have to uninstall the old pine version first?

ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine

Get the src.rpm, then do:

rpmbuild --rebuild pine*.src.rpm

Upgrade to the resulting binary rpm packages using "rpm -Uvh" and
you're up and running with pine 4.58.

Hope this helps.

P.S. On a side note, the most recent Red Hat pine 4.44 updates
for all Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux operating
systems contain backported security fixes for all known security
issues in pine. pine 4.44 will be maintained with backported
security fixes for the support life of each product. For those
who want to use newer pine releases however, I will be continuing
to provide unofficial pine rpm packages in my ftp account, and
hopefully soon also for non-x86 arches, and supplied via both ftp
and the "yum" update tool. One noteable difference with my
unofficial pine packages, is that I've removed the klunky
pgp4pine support from the pine rpms as it has numerous security
issues which aren't solveable easily without pine having built in
PGP/GPG support or hooks of some kind. Users relying on this
feature, will need to download pgp4pine and add it to their
systems manually.

Take care,
TTYL

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While running 'pine -dimap=4,verbose=5' the program crashed while
reading an email message (attached to prevent unwanted crashing)

I worked backwards in the file eliminating lines until the crashes
stopped. What is attached are the remaining lines from the beginning of
the email message to what I think is causing the problem.

Thanks

Scott Birl
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1805 North Broad Street Philadelphia Pennsylvania 19122 United States
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As it was written on Oct 15, thus Matt Ackeret typed:

<snip>

matt: If I try to look at it (i.e. go back to index, hit return) again, I see:
matt:
matt: [Error: Formatting error: Transfer interrupted!]
matt:
matt:
matt: If I try to look at it yet again (i.e. go back to index, hit return), I see:
matt:
matt:
matt: [ The following text is in the "ISO-8859-1" character set. ]
matt: [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ]
matt: [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]
matt:
matt: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
matt: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
matt: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
matt:
matt: and so on..
matt:
matt: I just realized that I seem to have my control chars back by going back to
matt: the index (maybe a few times?). Previously I was quitting and relaunching
matt: pine since it seemed like it was stuck.
matt:
matt:
matt: Basically -- does this sound at all familiar? Is there something I could
matt: look for in the message/raw text that might be causing this? It's not
matt: a foreign-language message, btw.

Ive seen Windows use ^@ in some of their files.

Have you tried 'cat -ev' to locate the control character(s)?

Maybe if you locate it and use vi (or sed) to remove it, the rest of
message maybe intact ... ?

Thanks

Scott Birl
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1805 North Broad Street Philadelphia Pennsylvania 19122 United States
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Birl wrote:
>As it was written on Oct 15, thus Matt Ackeret typed:
>
><snip>
>
>matt: If I try to look at it (i.e. go back to index, hit return) again, I see:
>matt:
>matt: [Error: Formatting error: Transfer interrupted!]
>matt:
..
>
>Ive seen Windows use ^@ in some of their files.

I'm on Mac OS X, as I said.. and I think it's *pine* that's showing the ^@
(Which are used for nulls, I think..), because as I said, it's only when I
try to view it *again* that that happens.

>Have you tried 'cat -ev' to locate the control character(s)?

Interesting, I can't even export the file, because I get this warning:
[>Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding<]

Is there any way I can figure out *what* is wrong with the message?

The email in question was actually a machine-generated email (it's a list of
bugs in our bug system that I have asked to be updated once a day on when
they're updated).. So maybe either (1) I have something set up wrong
in pine, or (2) they should be doing something to the email to make sure
this kind of thing doesn't happen.

Now I'm guessing, but maybe there's some 'funky characters' in the quoted
parts of the *bugs* that they should be modifying.

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Hello,

I'd like to share a problem I'm having with Pine 4.58 (patched) w.r.t.
forwarding mails. I've received some spam with image attachments that I
wish to forward to Spamcop. Spamcop doesn't accept too large submissions
however, so I wanted to remove the images from the forwarded message.
This, however, doesn't work. I've disabled include-attachments-in-reply
and I've marked the attachments for deletion before trying to forward.
Despite this, Pine insists on forwarding the entire message, whether I try
to do it as an attachment with full headers, or inline. I suspect this
might be caused by the fact that the offending message is both in plain
text and in HTML, and that the pictures are part of the HTML. Am I
correct here? Is this a bug or a feature? :)

regards,

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Hello Every Piners!

I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form. Is there a way to
change this field 'content-type:' to do this? Or is there an other way?
Or is it simply impossible with Pine?

A lot of thanks,

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> I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form. Is there a way to
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http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/iaq.html#changemime

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On Oct 20, 2003, 12:38 (+0200) Reinout van Schouwen <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'd like to share a problem I'm having with Pine 4.58 (patched) w.r.t.
> forwarding mails. I've received some spam with image attachments that I
> wish to forward to Spamcop. Spamcop doesn't accept too large submissions
> however, so I wanted to remove the images from the forwarded message.

With the following steps you can acheive what you want:

1. Open the mail.

2. Press "v" to go to the ATTACHMENT index.

3. Move the marker to the part that you want to remove.

4. Press "d" to delete (or rather, mark for deletion).

5. Go back to MESSAGE index and save the mail with "s" to another or the
same folder. You will get a warning the attachement will be removed.

6. The mail will be save wit the original attachment replaced with a one
line placeholder.

If I get or send a large attached file, a save the mail in that way.

Mats

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> With the following steps you can acheive what you want:

*snip*

Thanks for the tip! I don't know why I couldn't figure this out myself,
BTW ;-)

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Is it possible to create subfolders in Pine? I created a folder MYBOX.
Can I create another folder inside MYBOX such as PRINTED?
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form.

No, no you don't. You just *think* you want to.

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We are running Pine 4.32 on a HP-UX 11.11 internal
mail server. On the menu we created for users to use
the Pine email option only to check mail when users
login. If user enters any character other than option
defined on the menu, the system will logout that user
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I was wondering: "Which PINE?" I have a P4 with 512meg ram and RedHat
Linux 9.
Which file name (in .rpm) do I look for to install pine on my system?

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On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 07:27, ah300 wrote:
> I was wondering: "Which PINE?" I have a P4 with 512meg ram and RedHat
> Linux 9.
> Which file name (in .rpm) do I look for to install pine on my system?
>

pine-4.44-19.90.0.rpm

But, I would suggest you simply download and compile pine yourself since
it is being depreciated in RH and will not be part of their next
release.

Ed

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On Oct 20, 2003 at 14:22, Cloids wrote:

> Is it possible to create subfolders in Pine? I created a folder MYBOX.
> Can I create another folder inside MYBOX such as PRINTED?

I'd make a sub-directory under your mail directory. Which means
folders can either contain mail messages or sub-folders....

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Thanks.

Can I move messages between folders?

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:24:48 -0400 (EDT), "Satya" <[email protected]>
said:
> On Oct 20, 2003 at 14:22, Cloids wrote:
>=20
> > Is it possible to create subfolders in Pine? I created a folder MYBOX.
> > Can I create another folder inside MYBOX such as PRINTED?
>=20
> I'd make a sub-directory under your mail directory. Which means
> folders can either contain mail messages or sub-folders....
>=20
> --=20
> Satya. <URL:http://www.thesatya.com/>
> Memory leak in reactor.c!
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On Oct 20, 2003 at 18:02, Cloids wrote:

>Thanks.
>
>Can I move messages between folders?

Always.

Well, usually it's a copy-and-delete operation.

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As it was written on Oct 17, thus Matt Ackeret typed:

matt: Return-Path: <[email protected]>
matt: Sender: [email protected]
matt: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
matt: From: Matt Ackeret <[email protected]>
matt: To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
matt: Subject: Re: Particular message messes things up..
matt:
matt: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Birl wrote:
matt: >As it was written on Oct 15, thus Matt Ackeret typed:
matt: >
matt: ><snip>
matt: >
matt: >matt: If I try to look at it (i.e. go back to index, hit return) again, I see:
matt: >matt:
matt: >matt: [Error: Formatting error: Transfer interrupted!]
matt: >matt:
matt: ...
matt: >
matt: >Ive seen Windows use ^@ in some of their files.
matt:
matt: I'm on Mac OS X, as I said.. and I think it's *pine* that's showing the ^@
matt: (Which are used for nulls, I think..), because as I said, it's only when I
matt: try to view it *again* that that happens.

Aye, I read that part about the OS. I was wondering if someone sent you
the email from a Windoze machine.

matt: >Have you tried 'cat -ev' to locate the control character(s)?
matt:
matt: Interesting, I can't even export the file, because I get this warning:
matt: [>Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding<]
matt:
matt: Is there any way I can figure out *what* is wrong with the message?
matt:
matt: The email in question was actually a machine-generated email (it's a list of
matt: bugs in our bug system that I have asked to be updated once a day on when
matt: they're updated).. So maybe either (1) I have something set up wrong
matt: in pine, or (2) they should be doing something to the email to make sure
matt: this kind of thing doesn't happen.
matt:
matt: Now I'm guessing, but maybe there's some 'funky characters' in the quoted
matt: parts of the *bugs* that they should be modifying.

Well since you cant export it (I assume you tried both export and save),
I would try the longer route of cat/vi/sed the Inbox.

I personally do not think it's a Pine issue per se. There could be
something different in the Mac OS when Pine is compiled though ....

Im thinking that it's more the user who sent the email.

I would take a hard look at the message through cat or vi.
If the message looks OK then I would assume it's an issue with Pine.
If the message contains the ^@ characters, I would assume it was the
sender (esp. if it's spam).

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2003, Ed Greshko wrote:

>> I was wondering: "Which PINE?" I have a P4 with 512meg ram and RedHat
>> Linux 9.
>> Which file name (in .rpm) do I look for to install pine on my system?
>>
>
>pine-4.44-19.90.0.rpm
>
>But, I would suggest you simply download and compile pine yourself since
>it is being depreciated in RH and will not be part of their next
>release.

s/depreciated/deprecated/

ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine contains src.rpm of pine 4.58,
and an i386 binary compiled for Red Hat Linux 8.0. It should
"rpmbuild --rebuild" fine on any Red Hat Linux release however I
believe. I maintained pine in Red Hat Linux for about 3 years
now, and will continue to maintain unofficial rpms for the
forseeable future. I recommend people use my rpms over compiling
them themselves, but feel free to choose whatever works for you
best. ;o)

I'll be moving these unofficial rpms in the future to a larger
and more public repository, and probably will provide binary rpms
for most Red Hat Linux OS releases as well, and probably for x86,
ia64, alpha, sparc, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x, and most important
of all - AMD64. ;o)

Enjoy.

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Copy - delete? I know how to delete, but copy?

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:56:08 -0400 (EDT), "Satya" <[email protected]>
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> On Oct 20, 2003 at 18:02, Cloids wrote:
>
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Can I move messages between folders?
>
> Always.
>
> Well, usually it's a copy-and-delete operation.
>
> --
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> Never attribute to malloc what can be easily explained by stupidity.
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On Oct 21, 2003 at 06:49, Cloids wrote:

>Copy - delete? I know how to delete, but copy?

The Save command, perhaps combined with aggregate commands (see config
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I try to setup my pine to use two different speller configurations. In my
home directory I have two shell scripts called:

~/bin/pine-spellcheck-de
~/bin/pine-spellcheck-en

Normally I use pine-spellcheck-en, but sometimes I want to use
pine-spellcheck-de instead. I tried roles, but there is no "speller" line.
At the moment, I have to go into the Setup and change the "speller" line
manually.

Is there a better solution?

/Sven

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*** Sven Semmler ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) Normally I use pine-spellcheck-en, but sometimes I want to use
:) pine-spellcheck-de instead. I tried roles, but there is no "speller"
:) line. At the moment, I have to go into the Setup and change the
:) "speller" line manually.
:)
:) Is there a better solution?

the best you can do (i think) is to define the speller as a script that
allows you to choose the language by using a menu of some kind.

Another more sophisticated way is to make this script recognize the
language, for example, you can use a role to include a template file, the
contents of that template file could be "use-this-spell-checker". This
text will be part of the the message, then your script will look for that
text and select the speller based on that. A sending filter could remove
that text from the body of the message, or you could remove it when you
are ready to send.

Eduardo
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I posted a question earlier and have not received any
responce yet.
We have a script that executes in user's .profile to
allow user only using Pine. One of my user seems to
break through the Pine to get to his unix prompt
level.

Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt? If
so, how do I stop it? Thanks.

Hue

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Hello,

Try this:
In your /etc/pine.conf (or whereever it might be depending on what you setup
during build), add under:

feature-list=

disable-suspend

That should solve it nicely.
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> I posted a question earlier and have not received any
> responce yet.
> We have a script that executes in user's .profile to
> allow user only using Pine. One of my user seems to
> break through the Pine to get to his unix prompt
> level.
>
> Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt? If
> so, how do I stop it? Thanks.
>
> Hue
>
>
>
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If you are trying to prevent user access to shell services and only want
users to be able to execute a handful of selected programs, such as
pine, then you should consider assigning a menu based shell. By writing
a script that will display a menu and making it the user's shell you
will have complete control over what they can do. Modifying a user's
profile to prevent shell services is not good practice, it also means
that it would have to be modified for each user. Also, this method does
not do much when you want to restrict ftp services to the box, if the
shell you currently assign to the user is located in /etc/shells then
he/she will have ftp access.

Regards,

---Andy

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Hue Codo wrote:

! I posted a question earlier and have not received any
! responce yet.
! We have a script that executes in user's .profile to
! allow user only using Pine. One of my user seems to
! break through the Pine to get to his unix prompt
! level.
!
! Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt? If
! so, how do I stop it? Thanks.
!
! Hue
!
!
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Hue Codo wrote:

> We have a script that executes in user's .profile to allow user only
> using Pine. One of my user seems to break through the Pine to get to
> his unix prompt level.

Unless the user's shell is set to Pine, any user should be able to break
out by hitting ^C immediately after authentication. It's only a matter
of timing.

> Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt?

Yes, but that is separate from above.

> If so, how do I stop it? Thanks.

Tough. Pine has many hooks for calling other programs or shells. Here's
what I can think of:

suspend
spellcheck
attachment viewers
url viewer
sending filters
display filters
printers
signature

I don't think that is a complete list, but any of those features could
be abused to get shell access through Pine. Can anyone think of more?

Disabling them would be a pain to users and administrators, will not be
easy to do, and may not work.

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You can kill the ctrl-c problem easily (if its a bash compatible shell) by
putting in right at the beginning of the profile/bashrc file systemwide:

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Thats two single quotes with no space. That stops ctrl-c from working.
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> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Hue Codo wrote:
>
> > We have a script that executes in user's .profile to allow user only
> > using Pine. One of my user seems to break through the Pine to get to
> > his unix prompt level.
>
> Unless the user's shell is set to Pine, any user should be able to break
> out by hitting ^C immediately after authentication. It's only a matter
> of timing.
>
> > Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt?
>
> Yes, but that is separate from above.
>
> > If so, how do I stop it? Thanks.
>
> Tough. Pine has many hooks for calling other programs or shells. Here's
> what I can think of:
>
> suspend
> spellcheck
> attachment viewers
> url viewer
> sending filters
> display filters
> printers
> signature
>
> I don't think that is a complete list, but any of those features could
> be abused to get shell access through Pine. Can anyone think of more?
>
> Disabling them would be a pain to users and administrators, will not be
> easy to do, and may not work.
>
> --
> Gopi Sundaram
> http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/
>

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/etc/shells lists the shells that are permitted for users *receiving* ftp
connections, not out-going.

There are restricted shells available like rsh (same name as the
remote-shell command but completely unrelated) and rksh, the Korn shell
version. These might meet the requirements.

Douglas

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Andy Malato wrote:

> If you are trying to prevent user access to shell services and only want
> users to be able to execute a handful of selected programs, such as
> pine, then you should consider assigning a menu based shell. By writing
> a script that will display a menu and making it the user's shell you
> will have complete control over what they can do. Modifying a user's
> .profile to prevent shell services is not good practice, it also means
> that it would have to be modified for each user. Also, this method does
> not do much when you want to restrict ftp services to the box, if the
> shell you currently assign to the user is located in /etc/shells then
> he/she will have ftp access.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> ---Andy
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Hue Codo wrote:
>
> ! I posted a question earlier and have not received any
> ! responce yet.
> ! We have a script that executes in user's .profile to
> ! allow user only using Pine. One of my user seems to
> ! break through the Pine to get to his unix prompt
> ! level.
> !
> ! Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt? If
> ! so, how do I stop it? Thanks.
> !
> ! Hue

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You probably want to trap other signals too. Rather than the null string
of empty quotes, you might prefer an exit command. That could permit the
user to abort a non-responsive session, although that depends on how pine
interprets the signal too. This will work for sh and ksh and other shells
which, like bash, are super-sets of the Bourne shell sh.

Douglas

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Brian Bruns wrote:

> You can kill the ctrl-c problem easily (if its a bash compatible shell) by
> putting in right at the beginning of the profile/bashrc file systemwide:
>
> trap '' 2
>
> Thats two single quotes with no space. That stops ctrl-c from working.
> --------------------------
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gopi Sundaram" <[email protected]>
> To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Pine question
>
>
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Hue Codo wrote:
> >
> > > We have a script that executes in user's .profile to allow user only
> > > using Pine. One of my user seems to break through the Pine to get to
> > > his unix prompt level.
> >
> > Unless the user's shell is set to Pine, any user should be able to break
> > out by hitting ^C immediately after authentication. It's only a matter
> > of timing.
> >
> > > Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt?
> >
> > Yes, but that is separate from above.
> >
> > > If so, how do I stop it? Thanks.
> >
> > Tough. Pine has many hooks for calling other programs or shells. Here's
> > what I can think of:
> >
> > suspend
> > spellcheck
> > attachment viewers
> > url viewer
> > sending filters
> > display filters
> > printers
> > signature
> >
> > I don't think that is a complete list, but any of those features could
> > be abused to get shell access through Pine. Can anyone think of more?
> >
> > Disabling them would be a pain to users and administrators, will not be
> > easy to do, and may not work.
> >
> > --
> > Gopi Sundaram
> > http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/
> >
>
>
>

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Hello,

Is it possible to configure Pine (via M-K or .pinerc) to use exact colors in
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As it was written on Oct 20, thus Cloids typed:

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cloids: Sender: [email protected]
cloids: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:02:55 -0800
cloids: From: Cloids <[email protected]>
cloids: To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
cloids: Subject: Re: subfolders
cloids:
cloids: Thanks.
cloids:
cloids: Can I move messages between folders?

3 choices:

1) Use Export similar to the 'cp' command
2) Use Save similar to the 'mv' command
3) 'man mv' or 'man cp'

HTH

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cloids: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:24:48 -0400 (EDT), "Satya" <[email protected]=
ft.net> said:
cloids: > On Oct 20, 2003 at 14:22, Cloids wrote:
cloids: >
cloids: > > Is it possible to create subfolders in Pine? I created a fold=
er MYBOX.
cloids: > > Can I create another folder inside MYBOX such as PRINTED?
cloids: >
cloids: > I'd make a sub-directory under your mail directory. Which means
cloids: > folders can either contain mail messages or sub-folders....
cloids: >
cloids: > --
cloids: > Satya. <URL:http://www.thesatya.com/>
cloids: > Memory leak in reactor.c!
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As it was written on Oct 22, thus Victor Stepanov typed:

victor: Hello,
victor:
victor: Is it possible to configure Pine (via M-K or .pinerc) to use exact colors in
victor: terminal by specified color hex numbers (like #d0d0c8)? In other words, how
victor: to get over 8/16 color limit of Pine?
victor:
victor: Thank you!
victor:
victor: V.

I dont think it's a limitation of Pine, but rather a limitation of ANSI
terminals.
What you seem to suggest is RGB-HTML-like colors, which I doubt exists.

Thanks

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As it was written on Oct 21, thus Douglas Kline typed:

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Douglas: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:52:42 -0400 (EDT)
Douglas: From: Douglas Kline <[email protected]>
Douglas: To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Douglas: Subject: Re: Pine question
Douglas:
Douglas:
Douglas:
Douglas: You probably want to trap other signals too. Rather than the null string
Douglas: of empty quotes, you might prefer an exit command. That could permit the
Douglas: user to abort a non-responsive session, although that depends on how pine
Douglas: interprets the signal too. This will work for sh and ksh and other shells
Douglas: which, like bash, are super-sets of the Bourne shell sh.
Douglas:
Douglas: Douglas
Douglas:
Douglas:
Douglas: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Brian Bruns wrote:
Douglas:
Douglas: > You can kill the ctrl-c problem easily (if its a bash compatible shell) by
Douglas: > putting in right at the beginning of the profile/bashrc file systemwide:
Douglas: >
Douglas: > trap '' 2
Douglas: >
Douglas: > Thats two single quotes with no space. That stops ctrl-c from working.
Douglas: > --------------------------
Douglas: > Brian Bruns
Douglas: > The Summit Open Source Development Group
Douglas: > Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources
Douglas: > http://www.sosdg.org
Douglas: > ICQ: 8077511
Douglas: > ----- Original Message -----
Douglas: > From: "Gopi Sundaram" <[email protected]>
Douglas: > To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
Douglas: > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:07 PM
Douglas: > Subject: Re: Pine question
Douglas: >
Douglas: >
Douglas: > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Hue Codo wrote:
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > > We have a script that executes in user's .profile to allow user only
Douglas: > > > using Pine. One of my user seems to break through the Pine to get to
Douglas: > > > his unix prompt level.
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > Unless the user's shell is set to Pine, any user should be able to break
Douglas: > > out by hitting ^C immediately after authentication. It's only a matter
Douglas: > > of timing.
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > > Can User break through Pine to get to Unix prompt?
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > Yes, but that is separate from above.
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > > If so, how do I stop it? Thanks.
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > Tough. Pine has many hooks for calling other programs or shells. Here's
Douglas: > > what I can think of:
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > suspend
Douglas: > > spellcheck
Douglas: > > attachment viewers
Douglas: > > url viewer
Douglas: > > sending filters
Douglas: > > display filters
Douglas: > > printers
Douglas: > > signature
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > I don't think that is a complete list, but any of those features could
Douglas: > > be abused to get shell access through Pine. Can anyone think of more?
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > Disabling them would be a pain to users and administrators, will not be
Douglas: > > easy to do, and may not work.
Douglas: > >
Douglas: > > --
Douglas: > > Gopi Sundaram
Douglas: > > http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/

I doubt there is a real need to trap signals, etc if /etc/shells contains
the full path to Pine AND the user's shell is set to pine in /etc/passwd.

Thus when one tries to break out of pine, Pine should terminiate and the
user's connection would be dropped. If the user tries to ^C before Pine
is spawned, the connection is dropped.

Unless the .pinerc is configured to call a specific shell, there should be
no way of leaving Pine. And even it IS possible to configure a specific
shell to leave Pine, file ACLs on that shell can prevent execution for
that user.

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After updating from 4.56 to 4.58 I find that pcpine crashes
whenever I try to open a message with an attachment of reasonable
size, with the error message:
" incomplete SecBuffer exceeds maximum buffer size"

This occurred about simultaneously with a new warning message that
the IMAP server (which I have been using for years) has an `invalid
certification' (or something like that), and I followed instructions
by adding the switch
/novalidate-cert

in my inbox-path setting.

Any idea what suddenly went wrong ? I am attaching the
pinecrsh.txt log file, for the experts.

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Birl wrote:

> As it was written on Oct 22, thus Victor Stepanov typed:
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> victor: Hello,
> victor:
> victor: Is it possible to configure Pine (via M-K or .pinerc) to
> victor: use exact colors in terminal by specified color hex numbers
> victor: (like #d0d0c8)? In other words, how to get over 8/16 color
> victor: limit of Pine?
> victor:
> victor: Thank you!
> victor:
> victor: V.
>
> I dont think it's a limitation of Pine, but rather a limitation of
> ANSI terminals. What you seem to suggest is RGB-HTML-like colors,
> which I doubt exists.

Yes, Pine can only select from the set of colors that the ANSI
terminal provides. However, you can set the colors in an xterm using
X resources (e.g., in the .Xdefaults file). Here's what I use:

XTerm.VT100*color0: black
XTerm.VT100*color1: red
XTerm.VT100*color2: green
XTerm.VT100*color3: yellow
XTerm.VT100*color4: blue
XTerm.VT100*color5: magenta
XTerm.VT100*color6: cyan
XTerm.VT100*color7: white
XTerm.VT100*color8: gray70
XTerm.VT100*color9: gray50
XTerm.VT100*color10: gray30
XTerm.VT100*color11: rgb:E6/FF/CC
XTerm.VT100*color12: rgb:FF/FF/A8
XTerm.VT100*color13: lightblue
XTerm.VT100*color14: rgb:FF/D8/A0
XTerm.VT100*color15: white

-- Steve

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Stephen Casner wrote:

> Yes, Pine can only select from the set of colors that the ANSI
> terminal provides. However, you can set the colors in an xterm using
> X resources (e.g., in the .Xdefaults file). Here's what I use:
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> XTerm.VT100*color0: black

..

Steve, thank you for advice.

And to anyone who interested - for rxvt it will looks like:

Rxvt*color14: #000044

V.

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How can I open Excel documents from Pine using OpenOffice without saving
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>cloids:
>cloids: Thanks.
>cloids:
>cloids: Can I move messages between folders?
>
>
>
>3 choices:
>
>1) Use Export similar to the 'cp' command
>2) Use Save similar to the 'mv' command
>3) 'man mv' or 'man cp'

Why would you do that when you can just do it all within pine and
save from one folder to another, which deletes it in the original folder?

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>Hello Every Piners!
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>I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form. Is there a way to
>change this field 'content-type:' to do this? Or is there an other way?
>Or is it simply impossible with Pine?

HTML mail is evil. Why would you want to pollute people's mailboxes with
html mail?

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:
> How can I open Excel documents from Pine using OpenOffice without saving
> the file first?

*** I think you should edit /etc/mailcap and add line for requested doc type,
for example:

application/x-msexcel;/usr/bin/soffice "%s"

and restart pine

If there is an attachment of type application/x-msexcel in the email and you
click to see attachment, pine should start /usr/bin/soffice to show it.

See man mailcap for description of mailcap format.

Bye.

Wolf.

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le 20.10.03 a 12:11, Gopi Sundaram m'aurait dit:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 severin wrote:
>
> > I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form. Is there a way to
> > change this field 'content-type:' to do this? Or is there an other
> > way?
>
> http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/iaq.html#changemime

This is really the solution (I think), and I have do it after an
translation for PC-Pine.

But I think the 'sending-filter' don't go with PC-Pine. Is there another
way?

le 20.10.03 a 16:14, Kenneth Crudup m'aurait dit:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 severin wrote:
>
> > I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form.
>
> No, no you don't. You just *think* you want to.

I have in my mind the result by the recipient, that's all

le 23.10.03 a 11:06, Matt Ackeret m'aurait dit:

> HTML mail is evil. Why would you want to pollute people's mailboxes with
> html mail?

I'm according to your think, but I want to find a way to send some daily
report to our's client (software report). And a client like a lot of
colours (-;

Thank for all response.

--
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I will SEA you soon.
*** PCPine 4.58 with WinXP ***

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*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) le 20.10.03 a 12:11, Gopi Sundaram m'aurait dit:
:)
:) > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 severin wrote:
:) >
:) > > I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form. Is there a way to
:) > > change this field 'content-type:' to do this? Or is there an other
:) > > way?
:) >
:) > http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/iaq.html#changemime
:)
:) This is really the solution (I think), and I have do it after an
:) translation for PC-Pine.
:)
:) But I think the 'sending-filter' don't go with PC-Pine. Is there
:) another way?

You are right. My suggestion is that you use the Cygwin version of Pine.
If you run Cygwin Pine under the bash shell you will need to export the
SHELL variable in order to have sending-filters working. I have
information on how to configure/run Pine under cygwin in my web page
(address below).

Hopefully this will work for you.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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As it was written on Oct 23, thus Matt Ackeret typed:

Matt: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Birl wrote:
Matt: >As it was written on Oct 20, thus Cloids typed:
Matt: >
Matt: >cloids: Thanks.
Matt: >cloids:
Matt: >cloids: Can I move messages between folders?
Matt: >
Matt: >
Matt: >
Matt: >3 choices:
Matt: >
Matt: >1) Use Export similar to the 'cp' command
Matt: >2) Use Save similar to the 'mv' command
Matt: >3) 'man mv' or 'man cp'
Matt:
Matt: Why would you do that when you can just do it all within pine and
Matt: save from one folder to another, which deletes it in the original folder?

(Please do not CC me AND post to the list. It's duplicate email.)

What I listed were 3 different choices to move a message between folders.
Not 3 steps needed to move a message from file to file.

And Door #3 is not really a valid option, unless one *wants* to move/copy
a whole file instead of 1 message.

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On Oct 24, 2003, 09:23 (+0200) [email protected] <[email protected]....:

> > How can I open Excel documents from Pine using OpenOffice without saving
> > the file first?
>
> *** I think you should edit /etc/mailcap and add line for requested doc type,
> for example:

Or ~/.mailcap if you do not have root access. Or don't want to make it
public.

> application/x-msexcel;/usr/bin/soffice "%s"
>
> and restart pine
>
> If there is an attachment of type application/x-msexcel in the email and you
> click to see attachment, pine should start /usr/bin/soffice to show it.
>
>
> See man mailcap for description of mailcap format.
>
>
> Bye.
>
> Wolf.
>

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> I'm according to your think, but I want to find a way to send some
> daily report to our's client (software report). And a client like a
> lot of colours (-;

Why not send a link to a web page?

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> > > I would like to send mail with Pine in Html form.

> > No, no you don't. You just *think* you want to.

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> I have in my mind the result by the recipient, that's all

OK, but perhaps you could quickly do a real web page, then send them the
link?

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Birl wrote:
>As it was written on Oct 23, thus Matt Ackeret typed:
>
>Matt: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Birl wrote:
>Matt: >As it was written on Oct 20, thus Cloids typed:
>Matt: >
>Matt: >cloids: Thanks.
>Matt: >cloids:
>Matt: >cloids: Can I move messages between folders?
>Matt: >
>Matt: >
>Matt: >
>Matt: >3 choices:
>Matt: >
>Matt: >1) Use Export similar to the 'cp' command
>Matt: >2) Use Save similar to the 'mv' command
>Matt: >3) 'man mv' or 'man cp'
>Matt:
>Matt: Why would you do that when you can just do it all within pine and
>Matt: save from one folder to another, which deletes it in the original folder?
>
>
>
>(Please do not CC me AND post to the list. It's duplicate email.)

I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
to both.

>
>What I listed were 3 different choices to move a message between folders.

aaah, ok, I misread it. But #1 exports to a file on disk, it doesn't
move to another folder.

and you're not actually going to move messages with 'mv'.

>Not 3 steps needed to move a message from file to file.
>
>And Door #3 is not really a valid option, unless one *wants* to move/copy
>a whole file instead of 1 message.
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> >(Please do not CC me AND post to the list. It's duplicate email.)
> I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
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Indeed. To create this reply I had to:

1. answer yes to "reply to all"
2. delete the to entry (Matt Ackeret)
3. delete the cc entry (pine-info)
4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry

Hm. Seems rather clumsy. Much easer to 'answer yes to "use reply-to"?'
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:
>> >(Please do not CC me AND post to the list. It's duplicate email.)
>> I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
>> to both.
>
>Indeed. To create this reply I had to:
>
>1. answer yes to "reply to all"
>2. delete the to entry (Matt Ackeret)
>3. delete the cc entry (pine-info)
>4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry

I have a 'pine' addressbook entry, so instead of pasting the cc entry, I just
type 'pine' in the to, but it's only a tiny bit less cumbersome.

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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:
>> >(Please do not CC me AND post to the list. It's duplicate email.)
>> I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
>> to both.
>
>Indeed. To create this reply I had to:
..
>Hm. Seems rather clumsy. Much easer to 'answer yes to "use reply-to"?'

BTW, I didn't actually necessarily mean have the Reply-to set *to the list*.

Even if the reply-to is set *to the user*, it's still easier to reply to the
list than the current case.

(Setting Reply-To to the list makes people more likely to erroneously send
private replies to the list.)

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[Don't reply to all, just the list]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:

> Indeed. To create this reply I had to:

> 1. answer yes to "reply to all"
> 2. delete the to entry (Matt Ackeret)
> 3. delete the cc entry (pine-info)
> 4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry

Nah, leave out "3" and "4"- it'll automagically transform the "CC" to
the "TO". I do this all the time.

-Kenny

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As it was written on Oct 27, thus Matt Ackeret typed:

Matt: Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Matt: Sender: [email protected]
Matt: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:48:57 -0800 (PST)
Matt: From: Matt Ackeret <[email protected]>
Matt: To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Matt: Subject: Re: Reply-to
Matt:
Matt: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:
Matt: >> >(Please do not CC me AND post to the list. It's duplicate email.)
Matt: >> I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
Matt: >> to both.
Matt: >
Matt: >Indeed. To create this reply I had to:
Matt: ...
Matt: >Hm. Seems rather clumsy. Much easer to 'answer yes to "use reply-to"?'
Matt:
Matt: BTW, I didn't actually necessarily mean have the Reply-to set *to the list*.
Matt:
Matt: Even if the reply-to is set *to the user*, it's still easier to reply to the
Matt: list than the current case.
Matt:
Matt: (Setting Reply-To to the list makes people more likely to erroneously send
Matt: private replies to the list.)

I typically have a role setup and populate the Reply-To myself. I forgot
to it for this list, but it's there now!

Anyways, I tend not to worry about people sending private replies to a
list. And my configuration always asks if I want to use the Reply-To
instead of the From.

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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

>>> >(Please do not CC me AND post to the list. It's duplicate email.)
>>> I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
>>> to both.
>>
>>Indeed. To create this reply I had to:
>...
>>Hm. Seems rather clumsy. Much easer to 'answer yes to "use reply-to"?'
>
>BTW, I didn't actually necessarily mean have the Reply-to set *to the list*.
>
>Even if the reply-to is set *to the user*, it's still easier to reply to the
>list than the current case.
>
>(Setting Reply-To to the list makes people more likely to erroneously send
>private replies to the list.)

It then depends on what statistically the usually desired
behaviour is where the collective of all users on the given list
generally wish a reply to go to.

Since for the majority of mailing lists (a nice way of saying
group discussion forums) postings are generally intended to
discuss things in a group, it is of no surprise that the
overwhelming majority of replies to postings will tend to be
"generally" intended by the collective of all users to go back to
the group, and thus continue the public discussion - the main
intent afterall of public discussion forums.

Therefore, reply-to-list is considered by a lot of mailing list
administrators and subscribers to be the most sensible default,
as it allows the majority of users to perform the most common
operation of replying to the list, by just hitting reply, and not
having to do anything special or mail-client specific, nor change
mail software or any of the other nonsensical things people
usually suggest in these types of threads concerning personal
preferences.

Most mailing lists out there have been around (including this
one) for quite a long time, and these types of debates hashed and
rehashed over and over on them many times. I would put a lot of
money down on a bet that this mailing list's administrators have
decided years ago what their official policy is on the whole
Reply-To debate, and that they're probably sick of seeing it
rehashed when it comes up, and just ignore it until it goes away
again.

For users who disagree with any particular mailing list's default
configuration and choice of list options such as Reply-To, you
can use procmail on your end to munge the mail headers to taste.
It doesn't always constitute a 100% solution but it is often
adequate, and usually more productive than the debates are -
which usually never cause a list admin to change anything. ;o)

That's what I do anyway... I use procmail to munge my mail into
my own prefered format. After you create the rules to do so
once, you can reuse them on future lists, and avoid the pointless
arguing about what is the "proper" way of running a list, and the
"Reply to considered harmful" URLs that never change anyone's
opinion, etc.

$0.02

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I tried to install pine on my system with:

rpm -i pine-4.58-1.i386.rpm

and got:

error: Failed dependencies:

libcrypto.so.2 is needed by pine-4.58-1
libssl.so.2 is needed by pine-4.58-1

Can I somehow find the above two files and place them in the /lib
directory myself for a proper installation?

Joe

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I'm using Pine 4.58 and just stumbled on a problem. I selected
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A S

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Problem detected: "Unknown argument type in imap_send()!".
Pine Exiting.
Abort

I then ssh'd to the system where the IMAP server is and ran Pine
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without the crash. Here's an excerpt from the Journal:

Folder "{jareth.dreamhost.com/user=XXXXX/ssl/novalidate-cert}INBOX.--blue" opened with 1,113 messages
Select matched 808 messages!
Error in IMAP command received by server.
808 messages saved and deleted

And here's an excerpt from the .pine-debug1 file:

---- INDEX MANAGER ----
Want_to read: t (116)
Want_to read: r (114)
Want_to read: s (115)
IMAP 23:06:18 10/28 mm_log error: Error in IMAP command received by server.
Want_to read: y (121)

The IMAP server is jareth.dreamhost.com and it is running Courier
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I have heard of a WebPine from UW, and have heard great raves from one
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I am running RH9+sendmail.

When I send attachements using Pine to Windows XP users using Outlook,
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this case, it says nothing as if no attachment was sent.

When I send the same attachment to the same user using Kmail, the user
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On Oct 29, 2003, 12:57 (-0800) Cloids <[email protected]> wrote:

> When I send attachements using Pine to Windows XP users using Outlook,
> they get the email but there is no sign of any attachment. When Outlook
> usually blocks an attachment, it says it has block the attachment. In
> this case, it says nothing as if no attachment was sent.
>
> When I send the same attachment to the same user using Kmail, the user
> gets the attachment. So is there a setting I have missed to set on Pine?

Pine works well with attachments, but there could be differnces on how
they are defined depending on what they "know" about the file being
attached.

Send a mail to yourself from pine with an attachement and look at it both
in pine and kmail. And do the same from kmail.

Then send a mail with an attachment both to yourself and to a outlook
user.

Mats

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*** Cloids ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) When I send attachements using Pine to Windows XP users using Outlook,
:) they get the email but there is no sign of any attachment. When
:) Outlook usually blocks an attachment, it says it has block the
:) attachment. In this case, it says nothing as if no attachment was
:) sent.
:)
:) When I send the same attachment to the same user using Kmail, the user
:) gets the attachment. So is there a setting I have missed to set on
:) Pine?

This is a well known bug in Outlook. Press M S C and enable:

[X] quell-content-id

read the help text of that feature so that you see the explanatin of why
this is a bug in Outlook.

Eduardo
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, ah300 wrote:

> I tried to install pine on my system with:
>
> rpm -i pine-4.58-1.i386.rpm
>
>and got:
>
> error: Failed dependencies:
>
> libcrypto.so.2 is needed by pine-4.58-1
> libssl.so.2 is needed by pine-4.58-1
>
> Can I somehow find the above two files and place them in the /lib
>directory myself for a proper installation?

You're either installing pine which was compiled for a different
version of the operating system that you're using, or you don't
have openssl installed (or not the proper version of it).

Simple solution, is to download the pine src.rpm and rebuild it
against your system. I've recently built pine-4.58-2 for Fedora
Core 1, and it is in my repository at:

ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/pine

The ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine directory is no longer
present and has been replaced with a symlink to the above URL
instead. The binaries in the unstable heirarchy are compiled for
and work most likely only on Fedora Core 1 and it's beta
releases, however it should easily recompile on Red Hat Linux 9,
8.0, 7.3, etc... and Mandrake, and other rpm distros most likely.

I might provide precompiled versions of pine for RHL
9/8.0/7.3/7.2/7.1 in the future as well.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks, that fixed it. I am going to read up more on this. Its very odd
for Outlook to be behaving like this...nah, its behaving like normal :)

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:23:43 -0800 (PST), "Eduardo Chappa"
<[email protected]> said:
> *** Cloids ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) When I send attachements using Pine to Windows XP users using Outlook,
> :) they get the email but there is no sign of any attachment. When
> :) Outlook usually blocks an attachment, it says it has block the
> :) attachment. In this case, it says nothing as if no attachment was
> :) sent.
> :)
> :) When I send the same attachment to the same user using Kmail, the user
> :) gets the attachment. So is there a setting I have missed to set on
> :) Pine?
>
> This is a well known bug in Outlook. Press M S C and enable:
>
> [X] quell-content-id
>
> read the help text of that feature so that you see the explanatin of why
> this is a bug in Outlook.
>
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
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At Wed, 29 Oct 2003 it looks like Eduardo Chappa composed:

> This is a well known bug in Outlook. Press M S C and enable:
>
> [X] quell-content-id
>

I always meant to ask this..

After doing a config change like the one above, does one have to
shut down and restart pine so the .pinerc file is reread or does
it reread it upon exiting the config menu?

Thanks

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*** Bill Schoolcraft ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) At Wed, 29 Oct 2003 it looks like Eduardo Chappa composed:
:)
:) > This is a well known bug in Outlook. Press M S C and enable:
:) >
:) > [X] quell-content-id
:) >
:)
:) I always meant to ask this..
:)
:) After doing a config change like the one above, does one have to shut
:) down and restart pine so the .pinerc file is reread or does it reread
:) it upon exiting the config menu?

Most of the time the answer is no, you don't need to restart Pine. If you
need to restart Pine, you will receive a warning saying either that
changes will apply only to the next session of Pine, or that you must
restart Pine in order for changes to take effect. If you do not receive
any warnings like this, then you should assume that the change took effect
immediately.

Eduardo
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Bill Schoolcraft ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) At Wed, 29 Oct 2003 it looks like Eduardo Chappa composed:
> :)
> :) I always meant to ask this..
> :)
> :) After doing a config change like the one above, does one have to shut
> :) down and restart pine so the .pinerc file is reread or does it reread
> :) it upon exiting the config menu?
>
> Most of the time the answer is no, you don't need to restart Pine. If you
> need to restart Pine, you will receive a warning saying either that
> changes will apply only to the next session of Pine, or that you must
> restart Pine in order for changes to take effect. If you do not receive
> any warnings like this, then you should assume that the change took effect
> immediately.

I always have one copy of pine open (often for
days or weeks), owning my INBOX, cycling through
the collection of boxes for incoming mail, for
reading my mail, with other copies of pine coming
and going examining things in other boxes.

I observe that the copy of pine that makes a
configuration change gets the effect of that
change. I worry that some other copy of pine might
overwrite the configuration file with its own
version of the configuration, thus backing out the
change (the classic simultaneous update
vulnerability).

So, Question: Does pine protect me from the
simultaneous update problem of having one copy of
pine write a configuration change and then, later,
having another copy of pine that was started
before the first change write out a new version of
the configuration file that does not contain the
first change?

dan

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Hi,

Since last night I've been unable to send mail. I'm running pine-4.44 on a
fully updated RH7.3 box. The problem does not occur with Eudora in *spit*
W95. When I try to send a test message to myself pine returns the error
message:

[Mail not sent: <[email protected]>... Relaying denied. Proper authenticatio]

When I checked /var/log/maillog this appeared:

[root@localhost log]# tail maillog
Oct 29 19:04:16 localhost sendmail[6517]: h9U24Fc06516:
to=<holtzm@localhost>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=local,
pri=139134, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Oct 29 19:04:16 localhost sendmail[6521]: h9U24Gc06521:
from=<[email protected]>, size=1988,
class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[email protected]>,
bodytype=8BITMIME, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain
[127.0.0.1]
Oct 29 19:04:17 localhost sendmail[6522]: h9U24Gc06521:
to=<holtzm@localhost>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=local,
pri=138463, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Oct 30 10:55:37 localhost sendmail[855]: alias database /etc/aliases
rebuilt by root
Oct 30 10:55:37 localhost sendmail[855]: /etc/aliases: 40 aliases, longest
10 bytes, 395 bytes total
Oct 30 10:55:37 localhost sendmail[868]: starting daemon (8.11.6):
SMTP+queueing@01:00:00

The message on Oct 29 19:04:16 seems to indicate that it was sent (I
think) but is one of the ones returning the error. Everything functioned
smoothly until last night and I have made no changes to pine's
configuration in several months. The entries for Oct 30 have me completely
snowed.

I have no clue where to start troubleshooting so any advice or pointers
greatly appreciated.

Bob Holtzman
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> So, Question: Does pine protect me from the
> simultaneous update problem of having one copy of
> pine write a configuration change and then, later,
> having another copy of pine that was started
> before the first change write out a new version of
> the configuration file that does not contain the
> first change?
>
> dan

If Pine is about to write out a new config file, it should notice that the
config changed since it read it and then it will ask you if you want to
overwrite it or not. So it can be a problem to make changes in two
different pines, just like it can be a problem to edit a file with two
different instances of an editor.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> [Mail not sent: <[email protected]>... Relaying denied. Proper authenticatio]

That error message is truncated. Check the message journal to see if you
can get the entire error message, or check your pine-debug file.

My guess is, your SMTP server is in a different domain than your From:
header. So it will deny relaying unless you authenticate. Try
authenticated SMTP.

> Bob Holtzman
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Seeing it a second time didn't make it funnier. Check your signature
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On 27 Oct 2003 Kenneth Crudup ([email protected]) wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:
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> > 2. delete the to entry (Matt Ackeret)
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> > 4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry
>
> Nah, leave out "3" and "4"- it'll automagically transform the "CC" to
> the "TO". I do this all the time.

Even easier is to read the list via NNTP and then when you type R
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In the sent-mail folder, is there a way to show who the email is sent to?
As I have it right now, it shows the From, which will always be me, and
it shows the date and the subject.

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*** Cloids ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) In the sent-mail folder, is there a way to show who the email is sent
:) to? As I have it right now, it shows the From, which will always be me,
:) and it shows the date and the subject.

Yes, add all the addresses that you use in the From: header to the
alt-addresses configuration option.

Eduardo
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:
>On 27 Oct 2003 Kenneth Crudup ([email protected]) wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:
>>
>> > Indeed. To create this reply I had to:
>>
>> > 1. answer yes to "reply to all"
>> > 2. delete the to entry (Matt Ackeret)
>> > 3. delete the cc entry (pine-info)
>> > 4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry
>>
>> Nah, leave out "3" and "4"- it'll automagically transform the "CC" to
>> the "TO". I do this all the time.
>
>
>Even easier is to read the list via NNTP and then when you type R
>for reply, you get this prompt
>
> Follow-up to news group(s), Reply via email to author or Both?
>
>and you can choose F if you want to reply just to the list. You
>can read and post to *this* list by putting this in your
>incoming-folders list:

No offense, but if I'm going to use NNTP, I'm not going to use pine to
do it! I'll use trn! (Though I did try out pine's news support a few years
ago before I successfully got trn working on OSX.. but most of that was
due to my own lack of knowledge about trn.)

> {news.gmane.org/nntp}#news.gmane.mail.pine.general
>
>Note that at this moment gmane.org has 4545 mailing lists
>available via NNTP.

I sure wish that Apple's internal mailing lists were done as Usenet instead!
I wonder if they have any of the public Apple mailing lists I'm on as
Usenet instead. That'd be useful.

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> Note that at this moment gmane.org has 4545 mailing lists
> available via NNTP.

No way! Do you have to subscribe, or be approved (to keep the riffraff
SPAMmers out)?

-Kenny

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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:

> In the sent-mail folder, is there a way to show who the email is sent to?
> As I have it right now, it shows the From

Interesting; on mine it shows the To:

In either case, "$" (sort) "T" (to) (I think) should do it.

-Kenny

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What He Said. :-)

-Kenny

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