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Hi!

I have Pine configured that it runs the pruned-folders list
automatically. What I would like to do is that Pine moves the pruned
files into a sub directory.

To give you an example, here is my current folder collection:

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Clipboard
Drafts
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Read AUE-may-2003
Read Fax
Read Messages
Read Messages-may-2003
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Read Newsgroups-may-2003
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Read Spam-may-2003
Read thor-users
Read thor-users-may-2003
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Working
Lager/
Working_Med5_2003/

The pruned folders (*-may-2003) should go into the directory
"Lager/2003" rather than into the Pine's "root" directory.

Is this possible?

Thanks for your help!
Claus
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From: Bernhard Kaindl <[email protected]>
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Subject: Pine 4.56 code cleanup (remove unused code, patch 1 of 3+)
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Hi,

I did a quick review of the diff from pine4.55 to pine 4.56 and found this:

/*
* Paint the signature.
- *
- * Patch contributed by Nicolas Christin <[email protected]>, 2003
*/
int
color_signature(linenum, line, ins, is_in_sig)

(I twisted this address above for spam)

I think such notices should not be removed except if Nicolas approved/reqested
it.

However, this inspried me to do a little bit more, actual code cleanup:

-Wunused gives such masses of undefined warnings that you don't see your
own in case you have some while writing your code.

Another item is that rfc1522_decode() has an argument called charset in
which the first charset found is returned, but many places don't need it
and pass NULL in place which is checked by rfc1522_decode() and does not
return the charset at the NULL pointer :-)

However, much code has not seen the cleanup to not pass a dummy pointer
to it and free it afterwards... :-(

The attached patch contains the fixes for the obvious -Wunused warnings
within the directory pine4.56/pine and the removal of the obsolete dummy
variable passing and freeing.

Please apply this safe cleanup to your RCS/CVS,
thanks
Bernd

PS: I don't understand why contributors like Nicolas Christin are not
mentioned in the version changelog on the web and the announces(just
name, not email) to show that there are actually people contributing
which could potentially motivate others to contribute to pine.
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Subject: Re: Pine 4.56 code cleanup (rfc1522_decode and usused variables)
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Hi,
In my last mail, I overlooked the case that the charset address passed
to rfc1522_decode() also serves the purpose to indicate if the charsets
found during decoding should be verbosely formatted and included within
brackets like "[iso-2022-jp]" into the decoded output.

I've updated the function header to describe this and to prevent having
to pass a pointer and free it afterwards as so many places, I defined
the address -1, where you could only write one byte to flag that nothing
should be done done with the charset.

Fixed diff attached,
Bernd
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On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Bernhard Kaindl wrote:

> I did a quick review of the diff from pine4.55 to pine 4.56 and found this:
>
> /*
> * Paint the signature.
> - *
> - * Patch contributed by Nicolas Christin <[email protected]>, 2003
> */
> int
> color_signature(linenum, line, ins, is_in_sig)
>
> (I twisted this address above for spam)
>
> I think such notices should not be removed except if Nicolas
> approved/reqested it.

I did. None of the other contributors has their name proeminently in the
source, I don't see why I should have mine for a 50-line patch.

> PS: I don't understand why contributors like Nicolas Christin are not
> mentioned in the version changelog on the web and the announces(just
> name, not email) to show that there are actually people contributing
> which could potentially motivate others to contribute to pine.

Contributors' names are at
<http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/credits.html>.

Cheers,
--
Nicolas

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Hello,

I've updated the iconv patch for pine which allows to convert between many
charsets, including UTF-8 (everything your implementation of iconv() supports)
to Pine 4.56.

At this opportunity I also want to thank the pine maintainers and developers
for two new additions to pine 4.56, the environment variable support and the
improved display of the character set warning, the latter already allowed me
to shrink the size of the patch a little because it introduced changes which
I could use a the base for a merge of one of my functions into the existing
infrastructure!

Since my last mail here, Jungshik Shin, the original author, added support for
a new config option called send-charset which allows to set a charset to which
outgoing mail(send, reply, forward) which is not US-ASCII(pine's default, if
only 7-bit chars are used) should be converted.

I also fixed some bugs which were present in previous versions which
were not very visible. The bug most visible to me was the messed-up
mailinglist information editoral when assumed-charset was set.

The fix for this bug removed some wrong changes done in previous versions
and implemented a new, specialized function for this job which, like
other cleanups, improves readability of the big functions by outsourcing
repeated jobs into specialized functions.

The new patch is online in this directory:
http://www.suse.de/~bk/pine/iconv/4.56/

If you have any questions about the diff, please ask me, I've touched
most of these 40k of unified diff with my own fingers and can forward
things which I don't know to Jungshik. Some parts of the patch are
actually band-aids, because some parts, like an control char filter
which supports the utf-8 encoding scheme are not implemented yet.

Also missing is an implementation of wcwidth() to tell how many columns
on the screen are used a certain sequence if utf-8 characters. The
whole character width issue is a wide field for pine which is not
yet done, but it can be worked around by making the terminal which
pines uses wider so it displays more characters without cutting or
wraping.

Besides in glibc, is also at least another, free implementation of
wcwith(), so the groundwork is there, now only the formatting
functions need to be adapted to not fill buffers based on bytes
but based on character widths.

The same must be done for the autowrap emulation which is at least
available in termout.unx. I think for a start, it could be
possible to disable it and rely on other platform-independent
line wrap wcwidth fixes for UTF-8 which would be needed in the
gf_wrap filter for example.

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Ok. I can sent encrypted message but I can't read encrypted emails.

I tried to send an encrypted email to myself an dI can read it. Any
tricks?

On Wed, 28 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> I didn't know that there are solutions that require recompilation, but I
> have at work installed some filters that wordk without special
> compilation, <http://pgp4pine.flatline.de/>.
>
> If you run FreeBSD, you can find it in ports, mail/pgp4pine.

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hi,

how i see all headers, or better the message source
i using pine 4.44

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, [email protected] wrote:

> how i see all headers, or better the message source
> i using pine 4.44

When viewing a message press [H] to view the full header of the
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

> When viewing a message press [H] to view the full header of the
> message. Press [H] again to return to normal view.

This option may not be available by default. If it isn't, go to (M)ain
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On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Bernhard Kaindl wrote:
>-Wunused gives such masses of undefined warnings that you don't see your
>own in case you have some while writing your code.

There's also an unterminated /* comment in pico.h

/*----------------- time.h ---------------------------------------------*/
/* #include <time.h>
/* plain time.h isn't enough on some systems */

I turned on -Wall in gcc3.3, and gave up quickly (LOTS of warnings about
things not in switch statements).. I'll try it again some other time..

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I know, it's probably just being phobic of "new things"..

I don't even think it's a horrible idea in theory.. I'm just noticing that
I'm now seeing this a lot more.. and it just brings my focus to the bottom of
the screen when I really don't care about it..

Is there some way I can turn off
[Selectable items in text -- Use Up/Down Arrows to choose, Return to view]

??

This seems new in 4.56.

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Is there some way I can turn off
:) [Selectable items in text -- Use Up/Down Arrows to choose, Return to view]
:)
:) This seems new in 4.56.

Matt,

That message appears the first time that you execute any new version of
Pine. If you quit Pine and restart it, it will go away.

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> This seems new in 4.56.

Nah, I've seen it for quite a while.

-Kenny

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Hi,

I've tried googling and checking the version for an answer to this but
it appears it's still an outstanding bug.

Pine is unable to parse emails with attachments where the Content-Type
spans multiple lines, eg:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C32522.6E31A950"

will result in pine displaying "Malformed message". But if you edit
the email with your favourite editor, so that it's on one line:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C32522.6E31A950"

pine displays the attachments no problems.

I've received email from several different clients (outlook, mew
emacs, netscape) to conclude it's worth fixing.

Sorry if this is the wrong forum for a bug report but the FAQ didn't
mention how to report bugs.

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dear,

i have problem, my inbox status always display "INBOX No Messages". what`s
the problem with my pine?

secondary, i found in another machine that i couldn`t open pine. it
displays "Received abort signal" and then exit the pine.
is it pine problem or my MTA? addition it used qmail.

thank you for your help

regards,

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anto: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:28:31 +0700 (WIT)
anto: From: Nugroho Pratomo Ariyanto <[email protected]>
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anto: Subject: inbox no messages
anto:
anto: dear,

Deer Park, that's good water! (Sorry couldnt help myself).

anto: i have problem, my inbox status always display "INBOX No Messages". what`s
anto: the problem with my pine?

Have you tried to email yourself a test message?
Have you looked for procmail filters?

anto: secondary, i found in another machine that i couldn`t open pine. it
anto: displays "Received abort signal" and then exit the pine.
anto: is it pine problem or my MTA? addition it used qmail.
anto:
anto: thank you for your help
anto:
anto: regards,

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Has anyone use the exceptions "toggle"?
(M)ain --> (S)etup --> e(X)ception

When I initially tried it, the status bar mentioned:
[Need argument "-x <except_config>" or ".pinercex" file to use eXceptions]

So I cp'ed my .pinerc to .pinercex
My configuration screen listed all the areas (options) that were overriden
by the exceptions file. I pico'ed .pinercex to removed all lines that had
nothing to do with color.

My .pinerc file had forced 8-bit color enabled, the .pinercex file had
color disabled. The exceptions re-wrote my preferences and removed the
color from .pinerc

Here's my question: How is exceptions supposed to work?
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Birl wrote:

> So I cp'ed my .pinerc to .pinercex

It's probably easier to start out by creating an empty .pinercex instead
of copying values into it, because you want to add exceptions to the
regular config. Hopefully you should end up with only a small number of
exceptions. So remove "rm .pinercex" and then "touch .pinercex". Now try
Setup/eXceptions/Config.

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For my incoming folders, I like to zoom in on a threaded view of
the recent messages. Does anyone know if it is more efficient to
first zoom and then thread, first thread and then zoom, or if it
makes no difference? Also, does the answer depend on the access
protocol (IMAP vs NNTP vs local access)? And for IMAP, does the
answer depend on whether the IMAP server does server-side
threading?

Thanks for any info about this. I use a dial-up connection and
threading is often very slow. I'll add any tips on speeding it up
to the "Speeding Up Pine" section of my Power Pine page.

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Hi,

I have installed pine 4.10 from sunfreewarecom for solaris 8. Pine can

send mail but I can't get it to read mail. The server is running surgemail
instead of sendmail and I am connecting through imap. Pine can login but
is not reading the inbox.

Surgemail puts new mail in this directory:
/space/surgemail/ece.ucsd.edu/rb/gb/lbellon/mdir/new/

So I put this line in .pinerc
inbox-path={ecepop.ucsd.edu}/space/surgemail/ece.ucsd.edu/rb/gb/lbellon/mdir
/new/

One thing I am not sure about is whether pine will look at new messages as
surgemail saves each message as an individual file
ecepop# ls
1048266030.9685_879.ecepop~2,S 1054679511.6634_6412.ecepop~2,S
1048270554.9685_974.ecepop 1054679765.6634_6422.ecepop~2,S
1048279158.10268_0.ecepop
ecepop# pwd
/space/surgemail/ece.ucsd.edu/rb/gb/lbellon/mdir/new

Anybody get pine working with surgemail?

Soo
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From: Nicolas Christin <[email protected]>
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Hello -

With a little delay due to extensive traveling, the
User-Agent patch is now available for pine-4.56. Please see
<http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~nicolas/software.shtml#pine> for more
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Is there some trick (besides remembering the message # and typing it in)
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I guess I kind of wish there were a way to unzoom back to where I was
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Hello all,

I'm using pine 4.56 on a linux platform (via ssh from Windows) and each
time I recieve a MS Word document (or rich text) as an attachment, I have
to bounce the mail to another account where I can open them in Windows.

Have anyone experience with convertion software like Antiword
(http://www.winfield.demon.nl/) or other solutions to this problem...?

Of course, I keep telling my contacts not to use MS Word for text
documents that could might as well be written as plain text, in 1/10th
size...

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Hi Atle!

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Atle Weibell wrote:

> I'm using pine 4.56 on a linux platform (via ssh from Windows) and each
> time I recieve a MS Word document (or rich text) as an attachment, I have
> to bounce the mail to another account where I can open them in Windows.

Do you have the possibility to use the Mail account with Pop/Imap. If
there's a way like that you could use PC-Pine for Windows. I use it and it
rules:-) All functions are the same and the mimetypes are taken from
Windows.

PDF's or other open file formats are the better way as attachments. :-)

Bye

Rico

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Rico,

Yes, I use PC-Pine, but when I'm behind a firewall (at work) I'm not able
to use pop/imap, so I'm bound to the ssh-terminal, and hence neither
attachments are readable in pine as long as they are not plain text... :(

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13:01, den 11.6.2003 skreiv du ([email protected]) om 'Re: Reading...':

>
> Hi Atle!
>
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Atle Weibell wrote:
>
> > I'm using pine 4.56 on a linux platform (via ssh from Windows) and each
> > time I recieve a MS Word document (or rich text) as an attachment, I have
> > to bounce the mail to another account where I can open them in Windows.
>
> Do you have the possibility to use the Mail account with Pop/Imap. If
> there's a way like that you could use PC-Pine for Windows. I use it and it
> rules:-) All functions are the same and the mimetypes are taken from
> Windows.
>
> PDF's or other open file formats are the better way as attachments. :-)
>
> Bye
>
> Rico
>
> --
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> Systems Integration
> Berater BU Sachsen
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>
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> http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x874C8377
>

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Hi Atle!

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> Yes, I use PC-Pine, but when I'm behind a firewall (at work) I'm not able
> to use pop/imap, so I'm bound to the ssh-terminal, and hence neither
> attachments are readable in pine as long as they are not plain text... :(

In Pine Forum any weeks ago there was a discussion about using ssh in
pine. There's a way but I don't know it. In this context you could use any
Pop/Imap account with ssh-encryption. Search the articles any weeks ago or
search through pine documentation. Then you can use PC-Pine with ssh.

If you want use the unix/linux-Version there's the package

debian/stable word2x 1:0.005-4.1 (60.2k)
Translates Word files into ascii text or LaTeX

Bye

Rico

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Atle Weibell wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm using pine 4.56 on a linux platform (via ssh from Windows) and each
> time I recieve a MS Word document (or rich text) as an attachment, I have
> to bounce the mail to another account where I can open them in Windows.

If I understand correctly, your monitor and
keyboard are Windows, the link to the linux box is
ssh, and pine is running on the linux box.

If you are running eXceed or cygwin on the Windows
box, then Star Office on the linux box will
display Microsoft office documents on your Windows
monitor. (There is some complication involved in
Access documents [another database engine needed
from somewhere - I didn't care and ignored the
message], but Word and Powerpoint and Excel
display fine.)

eXceed is commer$hial $oftware, but cygwin and
star office are freely available on the net. Star
office comes on a separate CDROM in official
RedHat distributions.

dan

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> Rico,
>
> Yes, I use PC-Pine, but when I'm behind a firewall (at work) I'm not able
> to use pop/imap, so I'm bound to the ssh-terminal, and hence neither
> attachments are readable in pine as long as they are not plain text... :(

You might also be able to tunnel the imap through
ssh if you study the ssh man pages hard enough.

dan

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On 11 Jun 2003 daniel lance herrick ([email protected]) wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I use PC-Pine, but when I'm behind a firewall (at work) I'm not able
> > to use pop/imap, so I'm bound to the ssh-terminal, and hence neither
> > attachments are readable in pine as long as they are not plain text... :(
>
> You might also be able to tunnel the imap through
> ssh if you study the ssh man pages hard enough.

Yes, if there's a port (say 9876) that your firewall doesn't
block, you can set up Pine to access your IMAP server via
localhost:9876. I've got info about ssh port forwarding on my
Power Pine page in this section:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ssh>

Hope this helps,
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Dear PINE Gurus,

I'm not sure if Pine is the culprit but here are the symptoms:

- Users on Win2k PCs use SSH to log onto a Sun Solaris 8 machine to use
Pine to read their email. Periodically, Pine freezes, can not get out of
Pine and the user exits SSH and starts another session.

- /var/mail is NFS mounted on SSH Sun from another Sun where sendmail
runs.

- Periodically I find most (not all) users have lock files associated with
their /var/mail/user mail files. Most of the user lock files are
associated with users that are not logged in (and haven't been, in some
instances, for weeks).

- I have procmail 3.22 running and sendmail Version 8.10.2+Sun.

Any solutions/hints/help will be appreciated. Thanks.

Tom

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Atle Weibell wrote:

> Have anyone experience with convertion software like Antiword
> (http://www.winfield.demon.nl/) or other solutions to this problem...?

For most Word documents, I just use "strings". In the attachment index,
(|)Pipe to strings.

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On 11/Jun/03 10:58 -0400, Thomas Walter wrote:
>=20
> Dear PINE Gurus,
>=20
> I'm not sure if Pine is the culprit but here are the symptoms:
>=20
> - Users on Win2k PCs use SSH to log onto a Sun Solaris 8 machine to use
> Pine to read their email. Periodically, Pine freezes, can not get out of
> Pine and the user exits SSH and starts another session.
>=20
> - /var/mail is NFS mounted on SSH Sun from another Sun where sendmail
> runs.
>=20
> - Periodically I find most (not all) users have lock files associated with
> their /var/mail/user mail files. Most of the user lock files are
> associated with users that are not logged in (and haven't been, in some
> instances, for weeks).
>=20
> - I have procmail 3.22 running and sendmail Version 8.10.2+Sun.
>=20
> Any solutions/hints/help will be appreciated. Thanks.

Are you sure that is a Pine issue or a connection issue ? To make a
test you can test with 'screen' :

start a new ssh session
start "screen"
start "pine" inside screen
wait for the freeze
cut your SSH windows

start a new ssh session
start "screen -r" (to resume)=20
to see if the pine is still responding

If Pine is still responding, this is an ssh issue or some TCP timeout
issue (http://www.laffeycomputer.com/spinner.html could be a solution
;).=20

If Pine is not responding, this is a pine issue and you should provide
more information about the version used and so on...=20

Hope this helps

adulau

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Hello !
"Cornelius C. Noack" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello everybody interested in the mbox issue:
>
> I had sent a formal request to the pine developers to respond
> to this discussion,
[...]
From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
[...]
> What we may be able to do is add an advanced PINERC configuration
> option in a future version of PC Pine to allow you to change your
> default mailbox format for yourself.

I am also one, who want this feature :)

> If you change your default mailbox format, you will be running
> in a non-recommended configuation

Acceptable.
BTW: may be possible extend the answer to "create new folder"
question ? When you will save/copy a message to non-existent
(new) folder then pine asks:
"Folder 'the_name' in <'collection'> doesn't exist. Create?"

IMHO the best solution may be allowing besides "Y" and "N"
additional answers "U", "W", "L", "C"
what means - means "unix" (the same as "L"), "windows" (the
default on Windows), "line feed terminated" (the same as "U")
and respectively "crlf terminated" :)

At least "W" and "U" are expected !

Best regards - Gotfryd

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I'm using Pine 4.21 on an older machine in a virtual console (as opposed
to under X). I cannot seem to get Pine to use zgv as an image viewer for
attachments: I've tried creating mimetype and mailcap files with relevant
entries, but have not succeeded with that method. Nor has the method of
simply adding the zgv binary to the "image-viewer" entry in the config
menu. When I try to open an image attachment (e.g., jpeg) by highlighting
it and hitting return, I get the message "image decoding" with a progress
meter which, once 100% is reached, then switches to the zgv screen which
also has its own progress meter displayed (as typical) in the middle of
the screen. But zgv almost immediately exits, not displaying any graphic
nor showing (for the brief time it displays) any activity in its progress
meter. I'm left back at the Pine screen listing the attachment. What am
I doing wrong? Can I expect zgv to work with Pine as an image display
utility for attachments? Has anyone else tried zgv with Pine?

Thanks, James

PS zgv works fine otherwise on this machine (e.g., as an image viewer
under Links browser). Mimetype and mailcap files were created from
material copied and pasted from sample files found on the web, subjected
to some editing.
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:

> For my incoming folders, I like to zoom in on a threaded view of
> the recent messages. Does anyone know if it is more efficient to
> first zoom and then thread, first thread and then zoom, or if it
> makes no difference?

It should make no difference. In both cases the entire set of messages
is threaded.

Steve

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Hi!

I have pine checking mail through imap and it's working properly except the
from name and to name is being shown as ?'s. I am guessing pine is confused
about something. I used vi on the mail file and found this:

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Using pine is see this;

Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:42:43 -0700 (PDT)
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To: ???????s <[email protected]>
Subject: pine

Any ideas on how I can fix them problem?

Soo

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> Yes, I use PC-Pine, but when I'm behind a firewall (at work) I'm not able
> to use pop/imap, so I'm bound to the ssh-terminal, and hence neither
> attachments are readable in pine as long as they are not plain text... :(

Since you can run "ssh" and there's a way to tunnel POP/IMAP via "ssh",
then you can get to your "home" servers directly. I'm sure someone has
already posted a solution you could google on.

-Kenny

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i have this problem when logging in from home, but it happens whether
or not i open pine, though because i leave pine up for lengths of time
it usually is the application that is up when the crash occurs. i
think the problem is mainly with the solaris version of ssh (problem
with the daemon?) OR, it is a problem with the default terminal
emulation of the ssh client (VT220 for secure crt), OR, lastly, the
info being passed back and forth to the server under the ssh
connection overloads the network capability in between. in my case,
i've wondered if adelphia (the cable company i get my cable modem
from) OR my school network have implemented some kind of firewall that
gets irritated if someone is connected for long times.

anyway, the drop out you describe happens in securecrt with ssh AND
xwin32 with ssh when connecting from a win2k machine to a solaris 5.8
machine. our version of ssh is ssh1:3des. the locked files are
associated with the processes that are left running when the drop
out occurs.. many times with other programs running (particularly
matlab and netscape). the fact that the processes keep running
indefinitely after a drop out seems to be a problem with SunOs.

if you find a solution to this problem, please please email me back.
But, i don't think it is a problem with pine/

-kevin

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Thomas Walter wrote:

>
> Dear PINE Gurus,
>
> I'm not sure if Pine is the culprit but here are the symptoms:
>
> - Users on Win2k PCs use SSH to log onto a Sun Solaris 8 machine to use
> Pine to read their email. Periodically, Pine freezes, can not get out of
> Pine and the user exits SSH and starts another session.
>
> - /var/mail is NFS mounted on SSH Sun from another Sun where sendmail
> runs.
>
> - Periodically I find most (not all) users have lock files associated with
> their /var/mail/user mail files. Most of the user lock files are
> associated with users that are not logged in (and haven't been, in some
> instances, for weeks).
>
> - I have procmail 3.22 running and sendmail Version 8.10.2+Sun.
>
> Any solutions/hints/help will be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Tom
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On Jun 10, 2003, 19:06 (-0700) Matt Ackeret <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is there some trick (besides remembering the message # and typing it in)
> to be able to quickly get back to a message I was reading after I search
> for something else/zoom in?

I do not have any direct answer, but this is my work-around:

I always have several windows on the machine where I read mail. I have
created an INBOX file in mbx format, which means that pine transfers my
incomming mail to that file. With INBOX in mbx format it is possible to
open several pine sessions at the same time, and that is what I do. If I
read something in one session, I can check for something else in another.

It works as a charm.

Mats

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On Jun 11, 2003, 12:24 (+0200) Atle Weibell <[email protected]> wrote:

> Have anyone experience with convertion software like Antiword
> (http://www.winfield.demon.nl/) or other solutions to this problem...?

Yes, I use it all the time. It is the best text renderer of MS-word files
that I know of. It does a much better job than word itself.

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> Yes, I use PC-Pine, but when I'm behind a firewall (at work) I'm not able
> to use pop/imap, so I'm bound to the ssh-terminal, and hence neither
> attachments are readable in pine as long as they are not plain text... :(

If you sit on a Windows computer, and have ssh access to the computer with
pine I suggest that you use WinSCP <http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/> to move the
files from unix to windows. That is what I do. I "detach" the word files
with pine and save them into a "transport" directory, to which I always
have an open WinSCP session from my Windows computer.

Mats

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>On Jun 10, 2003, 19:06 (-0700) Matt Ackeret <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Is there some trick (besides remembering the message # and typing it in)
>> to be able to quickly get back to a message I was reading after I search
>> for something else/zoom in?
>
>I do not have any direct answer, but this is my work-around:
>
>I always have several windows on the machine where I read mail. I have
>created an INBOX file in mbx format, which means that pine transfers my
>incomming mail to that file. With INBOX in mbx format it is possible to
>open several pine sessions at the same time, and that is what I do. If I
>read something in one session, I can check for something else in another.

Well, yeah, I can do the same thing with IMAP (and do -- I use IMAP
BECAUSE I think email is the perfect "client server" example -- I don't want
the stuff stored locally... and with IMAP I can't accidentally trash my mail
by having multiple clients connect at the same time)..

But if I wanted to go that far, I'd probably just use a GUI mail reader.
(If there were good IMAP ones..)

Thanks anyway.

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Here's what I've managed to find on the web so far related to this topic.
First, a post from the pine-info list, as follows:

----------POST COPIED FROM pine-info-----------------
Viewing attached pictures with Pine 4.00

Can anyone tell how can I use this feature?

I inserted this line in the global pine 4.00 configuration file:

image-viewer=/usr/bin/zgv

..but when I test this thing by trying to view and attached jpeg image
the text console just flickers (kinda changes into graphic mode) but it
becomes black a half a second and then is coming back to the text mode
screen like nothing happened. No actually, I tryied againg and I can see
that graphic mode image loading completion bar of zgv. But it won't
display any message only comes back to text mode.

When stopping this process with scroll lock I cand see

[VIEWER command launched]

[Decoding "Image, """ | |]

[Displaying attachment ]

and I can see a /usr/bin/zgv /tmp/img-JPE[some_number]

I THINK: PERSONALLY I think that it is an encoding decoding problem
(mime, uue, base64 - stuff like this...). I think pine is trying to feed
zgv with raw 7 bit data :((((

Anyone manage to view images with pine 4.00? Is this a bug or...?
.. I have to make an script that decodes images? That would be pretty
much work to do... think and you'll agree...

This would be a nice feature if it would work...

----------END POST COPIED FROM pine-info-------------------

This sounds very similar to the problem I'm encountering, except I'm using
a much newer version than this individula was. Seems there was no
response to his query.

Then, I found this at http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/viewer.html
, which could also be relevant:

----------BEGIN SECOND EXCERPT---------------------------
Fix a bug when calling the image viewer
Versions of pine the patch is available for: pine 4.32

This patch allows you to fix a bug that makes pine erase the image opened
by your image-viewer, before you can see it.

Last Updated 17:44:49 PST Fri Jan 19 2001.
-------------END SECOND EXCERPT---------------------------

This refers to a much newer release of Pine than the one I'm using, and
it's not clear if the bug concerned only this release. But the
description of the bug seems much like the problem I'm having.

Any response?

James

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Nope, but most people that send unsubscribe commands to a list
rather than the admin-adress do so by mistake and people asking
how to unsubscribe usually havn't read the instructions they got
when they subscribed (I'm sure that there are other people like
you that are "harassed" in this way, but this is the first I ever
heard of).

I would imagine that if you sent a message to a non-robot adress
in regards to you getting spammed they might be able to intervene?
I suppose it might be some very terribly clever spammer that alters
the heading before sending it on to you though, I suppose there's
no way to deal with it then except by regular spam-fighting as you
are doing.

- Veronica

>
>Subject: Re: unsubscribe
> From: Filip Gieszczykiewicz <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:17:12 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Veronica Loell <[email protected]>
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>On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Veronica Loell wrote:
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>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:14:50 +0100
>> From: Veronica Loell <[email protected]>
>> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>>
>> Go to the link at the bottom of every list-email, there will be
>> instructions there about how to unsubscribe.
>
>Which do not work... if the list is being forwarded by some
>intermediate account... and messages to admin do not work. I
>started getting this list ~6 months ago without ANY action on
>my part and after wasting some time trying to get off, I just
>NOW delete it like the other 100+ spam messages I get daily
>(running a web site will cause that).
>
>ie. it's not as clear-cut world as you all assume :)
>
>Cheers,
>Fil
>
>>

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> >> Go to the link at the bottom of every list-email, there will be
> >> instructions there about how to unsubscribe.
> >
> >Which do not work... if the list is being forwarded by some
> >intermediate account... and messages to admin do not work. I
> >started getting this list ~6 months ago without ANY action on
> >my part and after wasting some time trying to get off, I just
> >NOW delete it like the other 100+ spam messages I get daily
> >(running a web site will cause that).
> >
> >ie. it's not as clear-cut world as you all assume :)

Ah yes! I run another list and it sometimes gets
to be more fun than I really wanted when someone
wants off the list but does not know what address
they are subscribed as.

The problem arises when the list sends your copy
to one address but, through the magic of the
e-mail infrastructure, you receive the message at
another address. The list is not sending e-mail to
the address where you are receiving it, so it does
not matter how enthusiastically you tell the
list-owner to stop sending it, he cannot stop
doing something he is not doing in the first
place.

The easiest way to resolve this kind of problem is
for the irritated subscriber to remember what
address he subscribed and reveal it to the list
owner.

Since you say that is impossible in your case, we
need another solution. I can think of one that is
relatively easy, and another that is probably
impossible.

The relatively easy one is for you to persuade a
program you use to read e-mail to show you all the
headers of a message from the list. (You could
point pine at your exchange mail server and turn
on full headers. Any modern e-mail user program
should provide a way for the user to see all the
headers of an e-mail message.)

At the beginning of the list of headers there is a
collection of "Received: " headers showing the
path the message took to reach you. Some of the
"Received: " headers have "for" clauses. One of
the "for" clauses might tell you where the list
software sent the copy that ended up in your box.
Once you have that address, you can be
unsubscribed. For example, my copy of your
unsubscribe message contains:

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and the fourth line of that header contains the
address to which the list sent my copy. If you get
your similar address to the list administrater,
the list administrater will then be able to help
you.

The really hard approach is to persuade the
operators of the list to switch to software that
puts something like
[This message was sent to [email protected]}
in every message.

dan

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I think that if you go into the settings and look there is a choice to automatically use reply-to rather than send as the reply-adress. There
may even be a choice where you get asked this. I can't tell you exactly
where but you should be able to find it I hope, now that you know what
to look for.

- Veronica

>
>Subject: Wrong address on reply (on debian maillist)
> From: David Sudjiman <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:50:06 +0700 (WIT)
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>I'm new on debian lists and I'm using pine455.
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>When I replied from [email protected], why does my pine always
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>
>
>thx
>..dave
>
>Peace was the way.
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*** David Sudjiman ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I'm new on debian lists and I'm using pine455.
:)
:) When I replied from [email protected], why does my pine
:) always reply to sender and not to [email protected]? Tricks?

David,

It depends on the headers of the message that you received. Pine will use
(or ask you, depending on the settings) the "reply-to" header. If that
header does not exist, then the address listed in the From field is used.
Some mailing lists identify themselves by adding a Sender: header. Look
into the headers so that you will find which header contains the address
of the mailing list that you are receiving, and set up a role (press M S R
R to set up one) so that mail from that list will get the "correct" To:
header when you reply to a message from that list.

Eduardo
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Here's a further twist on this problem. I thought of testing the
image-viewer capability in Pine 4.21 with some graphics program other than
zgv to see if it was a more general problem with Pine handling graphics
attachments (specifically jpegs, in this case). I suppose I could try out
other graphics formats as well . . . maybe I'll try that. In the
absence of other non-X graphics renderers, I decided to try Dillo, which
renders jpegs, as the image-viewer for Pine from the virtual console.
Since Dillo runs under X, I did this for the image-viewer line: xinit -e
Dillo. Well, attempting to view that image did fire up X and Dillo did
open: but all that was displayed by Dillo were alot of incomprehensible
characters and symbols - no images. This does seem to indicate that the
problem is the way Pine is passing on the attachment to the image viewing
program (as the fellow whose post I passed along seemed to have been
observing: "mime, uue, base64 - stuff like this...). I think pine is
trying to feed zgv with raw 7 bit data"). To confirm whether this is the
case, I may next try running Pine under X with Dillo as the image-viewer
and see if that makes any difference. Likewise, I may try opeing other
graphics formats. I also dropped a note to the author of zgv to find out
if he has heard of any problems with zgv displaying graphics formats under
Pine.

James

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, James Miller wrote:

> Here's what I've managed to find on the web so far related to this topic.
> First, a post from the pine-info list, as follows:
>
> ----------POST COPIED FROM pine-info-----------------
> Viewing attached pictures with Pine 4.00
>
> Can anyone tell how can I use this feature?
>
> I inserted this line in the global pine 4.00 configuration file:
>
> image-viewer=/usr/bin/zgv
>
> ...but when I test this thing by trying to view and attached jpeg image
> the text console just flickers (kinda changes into graphic mode) but it
> becomes black a half a second and then is coming back to the text mode
> screen like nothing happened. No actually, I tryied againg and I can see
> that graphic mode image loading completion bar of zgv. But it won't
> display any message only comes back to text mode.
>
> When stopping this process with scroll lock I cand see
>
> [VIEWER command launched]
>
> [Decoding "Image, """ | |]
>
> [Displaying attachment ]
>
> and I can see a /usr/bin/zgv /tmp/img-JPE[some_number]
>
> I THINK: PERSONALLY I think that it is an encoding decoding problem
> (mime, uue, base64 - stuff like this...). I think pine is trying to feed
> zgv with raw 7 bit data :((((
>
> Anyone manage to view images with pine 4.00? Is this a bug or...?
> ... I have to make an script that decodes images? That would be pretty
> much work to do... think and you'll agree...
>
> This would be a nice feature if it would work...
>
> ----------END POST COPIED FROM pine-info-------------------
>
> This sounds very similar to the problem I'm encountering, except I'm using
> a much newer version than this individula was. Seems there was no
> response to his query.
>
> Then, I found this at http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/viewer.html
> , which could also be relevant:
>
> ----------BEGIN SECOND EXCERPT---------------------------
> Fix a bug when calling the image viewer
> Versions of pine the patch is available for: pine 4.32
>
> This patch allows you to fix a bug that makes pine erase the image opened
> by your image-viewer, before you can see it.
>
> Last Updated 17:44:49 PST Fri Jan 19 2001.
> -------------END SECOND EXCERPT---------------------------
>
> This refers to a much newer release of Pine than the one I'm using, and
> it's not clear if the bug concerned only this release. But the
> description of the bug seems much like the problem I'm having.
>
> Any response?
>
> James
>

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, James Miller (office) wrote:

> Here's a further twist on this problem. I thought of testing the
> image-viewer capability in Pine 4.21 with some graphics program other than
> zgv to see if it was a more general problem with Pine handling graphics
> attachments (specifically jpegs, in this case).

FWIW, I use "xv" to look at attached graphics and have never had a
problem (but then, the earliest Pine I've ever used was 4.33, now
4.56).

-Kenny

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> > Here's a further twist on this problem. I thought of testing the
> > image-viewer capability in Pine 4.21 with some graphics program other than
> > zgv to see if it was a more general problem with Pine handling graphics
> > attachments (specifically jpegs, in this case).
>
> FWIW, I use "xv" to look at attached graphics and have never had a
> problem (but then, the earliest Pine I've ever used was 4.33, now
> 4.56).
>
Well, that sheds some further perhaps interesting light on the problem.
In one of my posts I pasted an excerpt from the web that referred to a
patch for Pine 4.32, intended to make its image-viewer feature handle
graphics correctly (the graphics were "being erased" before they could get
viewed, according to that page). Maybe this is a more general problem
afflicting Pine versions prior to 4.33? Just as a clarification, isn't xv
an X application? I.e., requires being run under Xwindows? I'm trying to
work from a console where possible, since this is an older machine and
non-X apps run much more efficiently on it. And, after all, console is
sort of the essential character of Pine, it seems to me.

Thanks, James

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, James Miller (office) wrote:

> And, after all, console is sort of the essential character of Pine,
> it seems to me.

Yeah- in an *xterm*! :-)

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Michael Bartosh wrote:

> No one ever really replied to this... Just a repost- has anyone managed
> to get kerberized pine to run on Mac OS X? In general I'd rather use
> pine than Mail.app...

Attached is a (completely unofficial) patch against Pine 4.56 which does
the following:

1) adds checks in contrib/krb5-setup for .dylib libraries
2) adds contrib/utils/open-delay, a launcher script for use with mailcap
3) makes auth_gss.c work around a bug in OS X Kerberos
4) changes temp file naming for attachments to include a file extension

1 and 3 make building and running kerberized pine work for me; 2 and 4
make viewing attachments easier.

My build procedure is like so:

tar zxvf pine4.56.tar.gz
cd pine4.56
ln -s /usr krb5
patch -p1 < ../pine456-osx.patch
/build osx EXTRACFLAGS=-DOSX_HACK SSLDIR=/System/Library/OpenSSL/ \
SSLLIB=/usr/lib SSLINCLUDE=/usr/include/openssl

I haven't tested the attachment viewer stuff much, but the kerberos part's
been around for a few versions and has worked pretty well for me.

Yours,

--Josh Larios

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Hello,

I am using pine to check mail through imap. I have a problem with the from and to info being lost. It appears as ???????s. Any ideas how to fix this?

This is from the pine window:

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To: ???????s <[email protected]>
Subject: monday

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Soo Hom wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I am using pine to check mail through imap. I have a problem with the
> from and to info being lost. It appears as ???????s. Any ideas how to
> fix this?

If you are using a threaded view of the index, there was a bug like that
that was fixed in version 4.52 or so. Try the latest version (4.56).
Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Soo Hom, ECE wrote:

> Steve,
>
> How do I enable a non threaded view?

Just don't sort by threads and you won't get a threaded view.

> I am running solaris 9 for sparc and wasn't able to get the latest
> version of pine to compile. The most current binary I could find was
> 4.10 from sun freeware. Do you know where I can get a 4.56 binary?

You can get it from

http://www.washington.edu/pine/

or more specifically

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/unix.html

or from

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

Steve

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Apologies if this is in the man pages, but I didn't see it in the FAQ.

I'm the new moderator for a busy mailing list, and I'd prefer not to have
all my approval/reject mails ending up in my sent-mail folder. It makes it
harder to look through my sent-mail folder for real mail that I've sent
out. Is there a way to filter sent mail such that my request to, say,
<[email protected]> gets deleted instead of filed away in
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Do I setup a 'specific' filter, select 'sent-mail' as the folder, filter
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any real sent mail.

I'm running pine 4.55 and love it. My hands never leave the keyboard in
pine, unlike with stupid Windows clients like Outlook Express.

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Kelly: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:03:47 -0600 (MDT)
Kelly: From: Kelly Martin <[email protected]>
Kelly: To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Kelly: Subject: Q: can you filter sent mail?
Kelly:
Kelly: Apologies if this is in the man pages, but I didn't see it in the FAQ.
Kelly:
Kelly: I'm the new moderator for a busy mailing list, and I'd prefer not to have
Kelly: all my approval/reject mails ending up in my sent-mail folder. It makes it
Kelly: harder to look through my sent-mail folder for real mail that I've sent
Kelly: out. Is there a way to filter sent mail such that my request to, say,
Kelly: <[email protected]> gets deleted instead of filed away in
Kelly: sent-mail?
Kelly:
Kelly: Do I setup a 'specific' filter, select 'sent-mail' as the folder, filter
Kelly: based on a To: field and then perform a 'delete' action? I'm cautious to
Kelly: try this without first asking the pine-info list, as I don't want to lose
Kelly: any real sent mail.
Kelly:
Kelly: I'm running pine 4.55 and love it. My hands never leave the keyboard in
Kelly: pine, unlike with stupid Windows clients like Outlook Express.
Kelly:
Kelly: Cheers,
Kelly: --
Kelly: Kelly Martin <[email protected]>

Are we talking PC-Pine or UNIX?

For UNIX, there's always procmail. The advantage being that procmail will
filter all the time, whereas Pine filters while currently running.

Scott Birl
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This is on my personal acct with pine 4.33, sorry.. (they haven't
updated it in a long time obviously, and whatever mail system they use
makes it a pain to upgrade -- I can't just compile my own and use it..
Err maybe I could if I use IMAP..)

Anyway. Replying to a specific spam message (that I'll save), I get this:

It says something like "error including all message parts", then crashes.

Under gdb, I get:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x11d418 in send_body_size ()
(gdb) bt
#0 0x11d418 in send_body_size ()
#1 0x11d434 in send_body_size ()
#2 0x119a30 in outgoing2strings ()
#3 0x114238 in pine_send ()
#4 0x101b6c in reply ()
#5 0xa1b30 in cmd_reply ()
#6 0x9e624 in process_cmd ()
#7 0xcf8b8 in scrolltool ()
#8 0xc3d60 in mail_view_screen ()
#9 0xfbe88 in main ()
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Does anybody know if this was fixed in a later pine and/or anything else
I could figure out that'd help?

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Kelly Martin wrote:

> Apologies if this is in the man pages, but I didn't see it in the FAQ.
>
> I'm the new moderator for a busy mailing list, and I'd prefer not to have
> all my approval/reject mails ending up in my sent-mail folder. It makes it
> harder to look through my sent-mail folder for real mail that I've sent
> out. Is there a way to filter sent mail such that my request to, say,
> <[email protected]> gets deleted instead of filed away in
> sent-mail?

This sounds like an application for Roles
(M C R R) - create a moderator role and use it for
servicing the list and one of the things you
define for the role is an Fcc that is different
from the usual. You probably can get some of the
rest of the Moderator things to be done
automatically by the Role.

dan

> Do I setup a 'specific' filter, select 'sent-mail' as the folder, filter
> based on a To: field and then perform a 'delete' action? I'm cautious to
> try this without first asking the pine-info list, as I don't want to lose
> any real sent mail.
>
> I'm running pine 4.55 and love it. My hands never leave the keyboard in
> pine, unlike with stupid Windows clients like Outlook Express.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Kelly Martin <[email protected]>
> --
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Kelly Martin wrote:
>
> > Apologies if this is in the man pages, but I didn't see it in the FAQ.
> >
> > I'm the new moderator for a busy mailing list, and I'd prefer not to have
> > all my approval/reject mails ending up in my sent-mail folder. It makes it
> > harder to look through my sent-mail folder for real mail that I've sent
> > out. Is there a way to filter sent mail such that my request to, say,
> > <[email protected]> gets deleted instead of filed away in
> > sent-mail?
>
> This sounds like an application for Roles
> (M C R R) - create a moderator role and use it for

That's (M S R R)

> servicing the list and one of the things you
> define for the role is an Fcc that is different
> from the usual. You probably can get some of the
> rest of the Moderator things to be done
> automatically by the Role.
>
> dan
>
> > Do I setup a 'specific' filter, select 'sent-mail' as the folder, filter
> > based on a To: field and then perform a 'delete' action? I'm cautious to
> > try this without first asking the pine-info list, as I don't want to lose
> > any real sent mail.
> >
> > I'm running pine 4.55 and love it. My hands never leave the keyboard in
> > pine, unlike with stupid Windows clients like Outlook Express.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Kelly Martin <[email protected]>
> > --

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*** Kelly Martin ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I'm the new moderator for a busy mailing list,

Congratulations

:) and I'd prefer not to have all my approval/reject mails ending up in
:) my sent-mail folder. It makes it harder to look through my sent-mail
:) folder for real mail that I've sent out. Is there a way to filter sent
:) mail such that my request to, say, <[email protected]>
:) gets deleted instead of filed away in sent-mail?
:)
:) Do I setup a 'specific' filter, select 'sent-mail' as the folder, filter
:) based on a To: field and then perform a 'delete' action? I'm cautious to
:) try this without first asking the pine-info list, as I don't want to lose
:) any real sent mail.

The answer is yes. That's what you are supposed to do. Notice that there
is a "Add extra header" for filtering, if your approval messages have
extra headers.

Test your filters in a copy of the sent-mail folder, or test them by
making them look in different colors in the index.

Good luck.

Eduardo
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Hello,

Apologies in advance if this is directed to the wrong list. However
consulting the archives I see that bugs and workarounds are part of the
list.

I have a Postfix server on the same subnet as me, if I "telnet" to it on
port 25 and type SMTP commands manually it responds very quickly and mail
goes out immediately. If I use (the dreaded) Outlook Express to send, the
mail goes out immediately.

However, there is considerable delay when sending via PINE. It takes about
20 seconds from hitting CTRL-x to any connection showing up in the Postfix
logs (both machines are synchronised by ntp) and then this is example log
output:-

(CTRL-x hit at around 11:34:52)

Jun 18 11:35:12 postie postfix/smtpd[3992]: connect from
pcsimon.mediadev.com[192.168.1.43]
Jun 18 11:35:12 postie postfix/smtpd[3992]: >
pcsimon.mediadev.com[192.168.1.43]: 220 postie.mediadev.com ESMTP Postfix
Jun 18 11:35:12 postie postfix/smtpd[3992]: watchdog_pat: 0x8080e90
Jun 18 11:35:29 postie postfix/smtpd[3992]: <
pcsimon.mediadev.com[192.168.1.43]: EHLO SIMON
[lots of verbose debug lines snipped]
Jun 18 11:35:29 postie postfix/smtp[3982]: 272172BFE8:
to=<[email protected]>,
relay=mail.example.com[10.10.10.10], delay=0, status=sent
(250 Ok: queued as 81FCD10F94B)

It takes 17 seconds between the ESMTP greeting and the EHLO from Pine.
Once the EHLO has been sent from pine, less than a second is required
for the message to have been delivered to its final destination SMTP
server.

Is there any setting that could be causing this? What am I doing wrong?

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Simon White wrote:

> However, there is considerable delay when sending via PINE. It takes about
> 20 seconds from hitting CTRL-x to any connection showing up in the Postfix
> logs (both machines are synchronised by ntp) and then this is example log
> output:-

> It takes 17 seconds between the ESMTP greeting and the EHLO from Pine.
> Once the EHLO has been sent from pine, less than a second is required
> for the message to have been delivered to its final destination SMTP
> server.

Sorry for replying to my own post :-

Pine Version: Pine 4.56 for Win32
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HI,
I have just installed pine-4.56 with TLS/SSL support (Linux).
Imap server on Sparc Solaris9 with TLS/SSL support, SSLTYPE=nopwd.

I would like that our users can connect paswordless to IMAP from the local
subnet.
This is the testing phase now, and I experience the following problems:

In my personal configuration, for ssh - I use ssh-agent and passphrase
and it works fine for passwordless communication beetween machines.
I can connect to the IMAP from command line too:
----
ssh imapserver -x -l longina exec /etc/rimapsd
* PREAUTH [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 IDLE NAMESPACE MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY
SCAN SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND]
Pre-authenticated user longina imapserver.imada.sdu.dk IMAP4rev1
2003.337
at Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:31:04 +0200 (CEST)

---
in logfile :

---
rimapsd[2805]: [ID 102980 mail.info] Preauthenticated user=longina
host=NON-IPv4
rimapd[2842]: [ID 985434 mail.info] Command stream end of file, while
reading line user=longina host=NON-IPv4

---

I wonder if there is a way to get it to work from a pine in such a way:

1. pine tries ssh mechanism first, than if it fails
2. login/passwd over TLS

If I try /notls connection (rsh-timeout=0, ssh defined), I get the
message:

--
Server disables login, no recognized SASL authentication
--

Any ideas?

Longina
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We've just moved from a Cyrus IMAP server to Courier here at Panix, and
ever since the change, E-mail in one Pine session that's read still
shows up as "N"ew in the INBOX LIST of other sessions (unless you close/
eopen the INBOX, which I can't seem to figure out how to do w/o leaving
Pine altogether).

Here's the relevant parts of the E-mail from Panix staff:

----
Courier (the new server) doesn't create separate index files the way
Cyrus did. The huge advantage to this is that you can move email
files around directly from the command line, without having to rebuild
the whole mail overview database each time. The disadvantage is that
your mail status is no longer quite as dynamic, and your folder will
synchronize only when you close it.
----

.. which sucks, 'cause I have a Pine session running at work, on the
laptop, and at home, and I get home and it looks like I've got a bunch
of new messages, when they're really all or mostly read.

So, is there something I can change/patch to make Pine (I'm running 4.56)
force the server to get me the new flags, and failing that, is there a
way to resynch IMAP INBOXes short of exiting/restarting Pine?

-Kenny

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Simon White wrote:

> If you leave for another folder, and then come back to the INBOX, is the
> status maintained? Usually leaving the INBOX for another folder, and then
> coming back, forces a close/reopen...

It didn't for the limited, small case I tried. I guess there's some
caching going on.

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On 23 Jun 2003 Kenneth Crudup ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> We've just moved from a Cyrus IMAP server to Courier here at Panix, and

That's very interesting... It seems to me that most of the good
IMAP providers are going the other way, especially now that
Mulberry supports user-defined labels and Courier doesn't support
that.

Anyway, I just updated the panix.com section of my IMAP Service
Providers page to reflect this, but I need details about the
INBOX specification. Does this work:

{mail.panix.com/user=UID/ssl}INBOX

or do you need /novalidate-cert? What about using /tls instead of
/ssl -- does that work?

> ever since the change, E-mail in one Pine session that's read still
> shows up as "N"ew in the INBOX LIST of other sessions (unless you close/
> eopen the INBOX, which I can't seem to figure out how to do w/o leaving
> Pine altogether).

I think that this is what the folder-reopen-rule is for. Try
setting it to 'Always reopen', i.e.:

folder-reopen-rule =
Set Rule Values
--- ----------------------
(*) Always reopen
( ) Yes for POP/NNTP, Ask about other remote [Yes]
( ) Yes for POP/NNTP, Ask about other remote [No]
( ) Yes for POP/NNTP, No for other remote
( ) Always ask [Yes]
( ) Always ask [No]
( ) Ask about POP/NNTP [Yes], No for other remote
( ) Ask about POP/NNTP [No], No for other remote
( ) Never reopen

And then go to your Folder List and type > on your INBOX and see
if that closes and reopens it.

Let us know if that helps,
Thanks,
Nancy

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> > We've just moved from a Cyrus IMAP server to Courier here at Panix

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:

> That's very interesting... It seems to me that most of the good
> IMAP providers are going the other way

Well, I'm not happy with it. It's slower, and it doesn't sync against my
other sessions.

> {mail.panix.com/user=UID/ssl}INBOX
> What about using /tls instead of /ssl -- does that work?
> or do you need /novalidate-cert?

"/tls" or "/ssl" work with Panix, but they've got some weirdness in the
certificate they're using, so you *have* to include "/novalidate-cert".

> I think that this is what the folder-reopen-rule is for. Try
> setting it to 'Always reopen', i.e.:

> folder-reopen-rule =
> Set Rule Values
> --- ----------------------
> (*) Always reopen

It doesn't reopen for me, maybe I have to enter another folder?

-Kenny

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On 25 Jun 2003 Kenneth Crudup ([email protected]) wrote:
> > > We've just moved from a Cyrus IMAP server to Courier here at Panix
>
> Well, I'm not happy with it. It's slower, and it doesn't sync against my
> other sessions.

What do other Panix people think about it? Any interesting
discussion happening in the panix.* newsgroups?

> > {mail.panix.com/user=UID/ssl}INBOX
> > What about using /tls instead of /ssl -- does that work?
> > or do you need /novalidate-cert?
>
> "/tls" or "/ssl" work with Panix, but they've got some weirdness in the
> certificate they're using, so you *have* to include "/novalidate-cert".

Thanks, I'll add that to my IMAP page.

> > I think that this is what the folder-reopen-rule is for. Try
> > setting it to 'Always reopen', i.e.:
>
> > folder-reopen-rule =
> > Set Rule Values
> > --- ----------------------
> > (*) Always reopen
>
> It doesn't reopen for me, maybe I have to enter another folder?

I don't know how folder-reopen-rule is supposed to work on IMAP
folders. The Help is mainly about POP and NNTP folders -- could
someone on the Pine team explain what's the easiest way to close
and reopen an IMAP folder? I'm interested in this too because I
have mail-check-interval set to 0 and I sometimes want to
manually close and re-open and IMAP box. (But most of the time I
just cycle around my incoming-folders loop!)

Thanks,
Nancy

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>>>> We've just moved from a Cyrus IMAP server to Courier here at Panix

>> Well, I'm not happy with it. It's slower, and it doesn't sync against my
>> other sessions.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:

> What do other Panix people think about it? Any interesting
> discussion happening in the panix.* newsgroups?

Most people on Panix seem to get their mail via the shell, with some
folks using other MUAs like LookOut! and Netscape/Mozilla. But I seem
to be the only one who cares about the sync problem.

-Kenny

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Kelly Martin wrote:

> Is there a way to filter sent mail such that my request to, say,
> <[email protected]> gets deleted instead of filed away
> in sent-mail?

Do you want to save your approvals at all?

In the addressbook entry for that address, set the Fcc to an empty
string, that is, "" so that it doesn't get copied to sent-mail.

If you want to save approvals, then set the Fcc to some mailbox name.

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:

> I don't know how folder-reopen-rule is supposed to work on IMAP
> folders. The Help is mainly about POP and NNTP folders -- could
> someone on the Pine team explain what's the easiest way to close
> and reopen an IMAP folder? I'm interested in this too because I
> have mail-check-interval set to 0 and I sometimes want to
> manually close and re-open and IMAP box. (But most of the time I
> just cycle around my incoming-folders loop!)
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy

Since it isn't supposed to be useful to re-open a ReadWrite IMAP folder
pine doesn't give you a way to do it. With mail-check-interval set to 0
you can still manually check for new mail by typing ^L.

To work around this problem I guess you could use the fact that pine
treats the inbox specially, by keeping it open. If you set your inbox to
something you don't care about and make the real inbox be one of the other
folders, then when you go from the real inbox to the fake inbox the real
inbox will be closed.

Steve Hubert - Univ of Washington

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Hi,

I compiled the Pine 4.56 with gcc 3.2.2 on RedHat 9, But I got the "Problems
building c-client":

# cd /root/download/pine4.56
# ./build lrh
make[3]: *** [osdep.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/download/pine4.56/imap/c-client'
make[2]: *** [lnp] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/download/pine4.56/imap/c-client'
make[1]: *** [OSTYPE] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/download/pine4.56/imap'
make: *** [lrh] Error 2

Does anyone know how to resolve it?

Thanks,
Hong

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30-Jun-03 at 09:13, Hong Tian ([email protected]) wrote :
> I compiled the Pine 4.56 with gcc 3.2.2 on RedHat 9, But I got the "Problems
> building c-client":
>
> # cd /root/download/pine4.56
> # ./build lrh

Yes, you're probably not building with the correct build type - the lrh
for RH7.2 and later probably doesn't take into account the changes in
the filesystem (again) in RedHat...

Try finding out where your libs are and then pass the arguments for:

SLDIR=
SSLINCLUDE=
SSLLIB=
GSSDIR=

-or-, if you don't need SSL, build without it. If you don't use
kerberos, build without that too.

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Simon White wrote:

>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:37:47 +0200
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>Subject: Re: Compiling pine 4.4.5 on RedHat9/gcc 3.2.2
>
>30-Jun-03 at 09:13, Hong Tian ([email protected]) wrote :
>> I compiled the Pine 4.56 with gcc 3.2.2 on RedHat 9, But I got the "Problems
>> building c-client":
>>
>> # cd /root/download/pine4.56
>> # ./build lrh
>
>Yes, you're probably not building with the correct build type - the lrh
>for RH7.2 and later probably doesn't take into account the changes in
>the filesystem (again) in RedHat...

Please back such statements up with actual data to support your
claims, and point out exactly how any such changes you can find
violate any Linux standard.

Otherwise you are blowing steam and spreading FUD.

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