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I want to upgrade our version of Pine to Pine 4.55.
Our operating system is Compaq Tru64 5.1B.

Should I use a target of 'os4'?
Or is there a target for the Tru5.X environment?

Thanks in advance.

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For some reason my pine crashed yesterday after trying to rename folders
(month changed). Pine refused to start again and the only thing I could do
was to rename the folders manually. I have used pine for many years and it
has never done anything like this before.

I have been using pine 4.40 so far but a few days ago I tried the new
4.55. It seemed to work just fine but after keeping it running for some
time it started to slow down. And it slowed down so much that using it was
not possible anymore. After restarting everything worked just fine for a
while. And then it slowed down again. I had to move back to 4.40.

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Hi,

I use PC-Pine 4.53 on Windows 2000 Professional and GnuPG 1.2.1
To filter incomming messages I create a display-filter in the setup
section as follows

display-filters=_LEADING("-----BEGIN PGP")_ \
c:\progra~1\gnupp\gnupg\pine_decrypt.bat _TMPFILE_

where pine_decrypt.bat is a script like this

#############################################

@echo off
gpg %1 > %TEMP%\pine_temp.dat
del %1
ren %TEMP%\pine_temp.dat %1

#############################################

If the filter runs, gpg prints an error, that _TMPFILE_ is not present.
Could this be a bug in PC-Pine for Windows or is my declaration of the
filter or the batch file corrupt? On Linux pgp-filtering is still working
without problems.
After an update from 4.53 to the newest 4.55 the problem is still present.

Searching through the net gives no answer for this question. Could anybody
help me?

Thanks and Bye

Rico Barth

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The Mulberry list includes this:

List-Archive: <imap://;[email protected]/mulberry.discuss>

and this imap URL works fine from within Pine except that this
message is displayed:

[Warning! Referenced folder changed since URL recorded]

What does this warning mean and what kind of problems can it
cause?

Thanks,
Nancy

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Dear All,

I'm using /usr/bin/lynx _URL_ for url-viewer option but it seems not
working. Any idea?

thx
dave

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David Sudjiman pisze:

> I'm using /usr/bin/lynx _URL_ for url-viewer option but it seems not
> working. Any idea?

Try without _URL_ or in double quotes ("/usr/bin/lynx _URL_").

Filip

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I would like to use Pine to check my pop3 account. However, I can't
seem to find where you put the incoming mail server under setup. Is it
possible to check the account this way or does fetchmail or something
like that need to be used in conjunction?

Thanks

Troy

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First off THANK GOD pine's message index can finally be sorted
by thread, I can finally stop using mutt & get back to pine...

Anyhoo - like mutt I want TAB to jump to the 'NextNew' message
however unlike mutt pine reports 'no more new messages in folder'
even tho there ARE new messages they're just 'above' where I currently
am in the message index.

How can I make TAB (or any key) jump to new messages ANYWHERE within
a folder?

Also is there any way (like mutt) to view part of an email as well
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thanks!
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You set your 'inbox-path' to be '{my.pop.server}my_username'
At least that's how an IMAP server is specified. It'll prompt you for
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M

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> I would like to use Pine to check my pop3 account. However, I can't
> seem to find where you put the incoming mail server under setup. Is it
> possible to check the account this way or does fetchmail or something
> like that need to be used in conjunction?
>
> Thanks
>
> Troy
>
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Thanks...I connect fine to the mail server but because my username on my
unix box is different that the username for my pop account, I get an
error that it can't find the folder pop3_username . Do I just create a
folder somewhere?

Thanks again

Troy

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You set your 'inbox-path' to be '{my.pop.server}my_username'
At least that's how an IMAP server is specified. It'll prompt you for
yer password.
M

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> I would like to use Pine to check my pop3 account. However, I can't
> seem to find where you put the incoming mail server under setup. Is
it
> possible to check the account this way or does fetchmail or something
> like that need to be used in conjunction?
>
> Thanks
>
> Troy
>
> --
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Use your POP username '{my.pop.server}pop_username' & you should be golden.
M (your pop username)

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> Thanks...I connect fine to the mail server but because my username on my
> unix box is different that the username for my pop account, I get an
> error that it can't find the folder pop3_username . Do I just create a
> folder somewhere?
>
> Thanks again
>
>
> Troy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: Wical, Troy
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum
>
> You set your 'inbox-path' to be '{my.pop.server}my_username'
> At least that's how an IMAP server is specified. It'll prompt you for
> yer password.
> M
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Mark Ethan Trostler [email protected]
> Computing Solutions http://www.zzo.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:
>
> > I would like to use Pine to check my pop3 account. However, I can't
> > seem to find where you put the incoming mail server under setup. Is
> it
> > possible to check the account this way or does fetchmail or something
> > like that need to be used in conjunction?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Troy
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>

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This is what I am getting now when I try to open the inbox. This is
with the incoming set to {pop.3.server}troy. Note that my username on
my personal box is actually twical.

Error

RSH to imap folder timed out
Operation failed : Can't open folder troy - No such folder

Sorry if I am missing something simple.

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
To: Wical, Troy
Cc: Pine Discussion Forum

Use your POP username '{my.pop.server}pop_username' & you should be
golden.
M (your pop username)

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Mark Ethan Trostler [email protected]
Computing Solutions http://www.zzo.com
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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> Thanks...I connect fine to the mail server but because my username on
my
> unix box is different that the username for my pop account, I get an
> error that it can't find the folder pop3_username . Do I just create
a
> folder somewhere?
>
> Thanks again
>
>
> Troy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: Wical, Troy
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum
>
> You set your 'inbox-path' to be '{my.pop.server}my_username'
> At least that's how an IMAP server is specified. It'll prompt you for
> yer password.
> M
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Mark Ethan Trostler [email protected]
> Computing Solutions http://www.zzo.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:
>
> > I would like to use Pine to check my pop3 account. However, I can't
> > seem to find where you put the incoming mail server under setup. Is
> it
> > possible to check the account this way or does fetchmail or
something
> > like that need to be used in conjunction?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Troy
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>

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My bad:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/config.html#9.3
the syntax for POP is slightly different then for IMAP.
You gotta know what the folder name on yer remote POP server
is wanna access.
M

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> This is what I am getting now when I try to open the inbox. This is
> with the incoming set to {pop.3.server}troy. Note that my username on
> my personal box is actually twical.
>
> Error
>
> RSH to imap folder timed out
> Operation failed : Can't open folder troy - No such folder
>
>
> Sorry if I am missing something simple.
>
>
> Troy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
> To: Wical, Troy
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum
>
> Use your POP username '{my.pop.server}pop_username' & you should be
> golden.
> M (your pop username)
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Mark Ethan Trostler [email protected]
> Computing Solutions http://www.zzo.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:
>
> > Thanks...I connect fine to the mail server but because my username on
> my
> > unix box is different that the username for my pop account, I get an
> > error that it can't find the folder pop3_username . Do I just create
> a
> > folder somewhere?
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> >
> > Troy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:46 PM
> > To: Wical, Troy
> > Cc: Pine Discussion Forum
> >
> > You set your 'inbox-path' to be '{my.pop.server}my_username'
> > At least that's how an IMAP server is specified. It'll prompt you for
> > yer password.
> > M
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Mark Ethan Trostler [email protected]
> > Computing Solutions http://www.zzo.com
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to use Pine to check my pop3 account. However, I can't
> > > seem to find where you put the incoming mail server under setup. Is
> > it
> > > possible to check the account this way or does fetchmail or
> something
> > > like that need to be used in conjunction?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Troy
> > >
> > > --
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) How can I make TAB (or any key) jump to new messages ANYWHERE within a
:) folder?

You can't TAB backwards or cyclically. I don't like this, but that's the
way it is. The best that you can do is to select messages by status (say
New) and zoom on the folder. In this way, all new messages will be listed
one after the other.

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That's horrific. Makes sorting message index by thread (or subject)
virtually useless.
Either back to mutt for me or patch pine if I'm really that bored.
thanks for the info.
M

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) How can I make TAB (or any key) jump to new messages ANYWHERE within a
> :) folder?
>
> You can't TAB backwards or cyclically. I don't like this, but that's the
> way it is. The best that you can do is to select messages by status (say
> New) and zoom on the folder. In this way, all new messages will be listed
> one after the other.
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>

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On May 5, 2003, 14:36 (-0700) [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

> My bad:
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/config.html#9.3
> the syntax for POP is slightly different then for IMAP.
> You gotta know what the folder name on yer remote POP server
> is wanna access.

No, I don't think so. In "{pop3server/pop3/user=popuserid}INBOX" both
"/pop3" and "INBOX" should be constants. That is, if your server is
"mail.namn.se" and your user ID is "nisse", then I think the following
will do:

{mail.namn.se/pop3/user=nisse}INBOX

Mats

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Worky....thanks to all who helped!

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On May 5, 2003, 14:36 (-0700) [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

> My bad:
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/config.html#9.3
> the syntax for POP is slightly different then for IMAP.
> You gotta know what the folder name on yer remote POP server
> is wanna access.

No, I don't think so. In "{pop3server/pop3/user=3Dpopuserid}INBOX" both
"/pop3" and "INBOX" should be constants. That is, if your server is
"mail.namn.se" and your user ID is "nisse", then I think the following
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{mail.namn.se/pop3/user=3Dnisse}INBOX

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Hi,

It seems that PINE will not sort message by received time order once the
message is saved in folders other than the inbox.

Is there any workaround or patch to have PINE still retain the received
order in other mail folders.

Thanks.

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No, I think Pine takes the order (not the time and date) in which messages
arrive at the mailbox. This is the same with your definition as far as the
inbox is concerned. However, the definitions differ when it comes to
mailboxes for archiving emails. Suppose I have two emails m1 and m2 which
arrive at time t1 and t2, where t1 < t2. The email m2 will appear first in
my inbox if I use Reverse Arrival. However, if I save m2 and then m1 to
the archive, then when I look at the archive, m1 will appear first in the
archive (using Reverse Arrival). This really messes up the order the
messages.

Elm uses your definition, which is exactly what I want.

The "Date" order is no good, since it messes up the actual arrival order of
the emails in the presence of emails from different time zones.

Cheers,
jim

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> The arrival in Pine is the time the message arrived at the pine inbox, I
> think. If you want to use the time the sender sent the message, sort by
> "date".
>
> What definition Elm uses?
>
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Jimmy H.M. Lee wrote:
>
> > Dear Sen,
> >
> > How do you order your emails in Pine? I find that Pine has a different
> > definition of "Arrival" as Elm (which is more correct).
> >
> > jim
> >
>

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Sen Sui wrote:

> It seems that PINE will not sort message by received time order once
> the message is saved in folders other than the inbox.

It sorts by arrival time of the message IN THAT MAILBOX. This is, in my
opinion, the correct behavior.

Pine does not preserve the "From " line message separator in the mbox
format (which is where the arrival time is stored). If you have another
MUA that does, use that to move messages around.

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On May 6, 2003, 10:35 (-0500) Gopi Sundaram <[email protected]> wrote:

> > It seems that PINE will not sort message by received time order once
> > the message is saved in folders other than the inbox.
>
> It sorts by arrival time of the message IN THAT MAILBOX. This is, in my
> opinion, the correct behavior.

Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.

> Pine does not preserve the "From " line message separator in the mbox
> format (which is where the arrival time is stored). If you have another
> MUA that does, use that to move messages around.

Last (the top most) received field contains the time of arrival.

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

:>Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
:>based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.
:>

Hullo? $ D sorts by date field.

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On May 6, 2003, 23:06 (+0100) Barry Landy <[email protected]> wrote:

> :>Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
> :>based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.
> :>
>
> Hullo? $ D sorts by date field.

Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.

Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
information.

Mats

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Does it help to realize that Pine nevers sorts *mailboxes*, only its
*VIEW* of a mailbox?

-teg

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> On May 6, 2003, 23:06 (+0100) Barry Landy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > :>Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
> > :>based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.
> > :>
> >
> > Hullo? $ D sorts by date field.
>
> Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
> if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
>
> Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
> even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
> information.
>
>
> Mats
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> Blaoarvsgraend 42 +46-8-38 48 59
> SE-162 45 Vaellingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588
>

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That is the answer here. Re-sorting the messages in the mailbox isn't
possible if the mailbox is the user's spooling file. That would mean
separating out each message individually and re-writing the file, the same
file to which incoming messages are appended. Re-writing the index of
messages which pine (or some other e-mail client) displays, OTOH, is an
internal pine matter. It has the list in memory and can either re-write
that list or simply write out the lines in the list in a different order.
Re-writing the list makes more sense if the user is going to work with the
different order, grouping messages by number for example.

Douglas

On Tue, 6 May 2003, Terry Gray wrote:

> Does it help to realize that Pine nevers sorts *mailboxes*, only its
> *VIEW* of a mailbox?
>
> -teg
>
> On Wed, 7 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
> > On May 6, 2003, 23:06 (+0100) Barry Landy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > :>Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
> > > :>based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.
> > > :>
> > >
> > > Hullo? $ D sorts by date field.
> >
> > Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> > different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
> > if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
> >
> > Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
> > even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
> > information.
> >
> >
> > Mats
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mats Dufberg mats@dufberg
> > Blaoarvsgraend 42 +46-8-38 48 59
> > SE-162 45 Vaellingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588
> >
>

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On May 7, 2003 at 00:37, Mats Dufberg wrote:

>Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
>different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful

Different pine sessions?

>if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.

I do this by creating a temp folder, sorting everything, select all,
save to temp folder, delete, go to temp folder, select all, and save
back to original folder. Takes less time to do than to describe.

>Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
>even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
>information.

$a does it.

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Satya wrote:

> On May 7, 2003 at 00:37, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
> >Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> >different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
>
> Different pine sessions?
>
> >if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
>
> I do this by creating a temp folder, sorting everything, select all,
> save to temp folder, delete, go to temp folder, select all, and save
> back to original folder. Takes less time to do than to describe.
>
> >Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
> >even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
> >information.
>
> $a does it.

$a only sort by arrival time to the mail folder. Not the actual time
received by the user inbox.

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In that case, wouldn't it be easier? Since it's more efficient to work
with headers only than the whole text?

On Tue, 6 May 2003, Terry Gray wrote:

> Does it help to realize that Pine nevers sorts *mailboxes*, only its
> *VIEW* of a mailbox?
>
> -teg
>
> On Wed, 7 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
> > On May 6, 2003, 23:06 (+0100) Barry Landy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > :>Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
> > > :>based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.
> > > :>
> > >
> > > Hullo? $ D sorts by date field.
> >
> > Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> > different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
> > if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
> >
> > Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
> > even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
> > information.
> >
> >
> > Mats
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mats Dufberg mats@dufberg
> > Blaoarvsgraend 42 +46-8-38 48 59
> > SE-162 45 Vaellingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588
> >
>

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Yes. A friend told me it's inefficient to operate on a flat mail folder
file. Afterall, it's not a database. But another friend told me that Elm
does it right. Ok, so perhaps PINE. :P

On Tue, 6 May 2003, Douglas Kline wrote:

>
> That is the answer here. Re-sorting the messages in the mailbox isn't
> possible if the mailbox is the user's spooling file. That would mean
> separating out each message individually and re-writing the file, the same
> file to which incoming messages are appended. Re-writing the index of
> messages which pine (or some other e-mail client) displays, OTOH, is an
> internal pine matter. It has the list in memory and can either re-write
> that list or simply write out the lines in the list in a different order.
> Re-writing the list makes more sense if the user is going to work with the
> different order, grouping messages by number for example.
>
> Douglas
>
>
> On Tue, 6 May 2003, Terry Gray wrote:
>
> > Does it help to realize that Pine nevers sorts *mailboxes*, only its
> > *VIEW* of a mailbox?
> >
> > -teg
> >
> > On Wed, 7 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> >
> > > On May 6, 2003, 23:06 (+0100) Barry Landy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > :>Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
> > > > :>based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.
> > > > :>
> > > >
> > > > Hullo? $ D sorts by date field.
> > >
> > > Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> > > different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
> > > if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
> > >
> > > Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
> > > even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
> > > information.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mats
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mats Dufberg mats@dufberg
> > > Blaoarvsgraend 42 +46-8-38 48 59
> > > SE-162 45 Vaellingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588
> > >
> >
>
>

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Satya wrote:

:>I do this by creating a temp folder, sorting everything, select all,
:>save to temp folder, delete, go to temp folder, select all, and save
:>back to original folder. Takes less time to do than to describe.

Exactly!

As I recall the Pine team made this possible at my request.(At one time
if you did SORT, seclect all, apply save, it did it in folder order
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On 7 May 2003 Barry Landy ([email protected]) wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2003, Satya wrote:
>
> :>I do this by creating a temp folder, sorting everything, select all,
> :>save to temp folder, delete, go to temp folder, select all, and save
> :>back to original folder. Takes less time to do than to describe.
>
> Exactly!

Alternatively the last step could be Rename rather than save back
to original folder. Also make sure that the hidden feature
save-aggregates-copy-sequence is *not* set otherwise the order
may not be preserved.

> As I recall the Pine team made this possible at my request.(At one time
> if you did SORT, seclect all, apply save, it did it in folder order
> rather than index order for efficiency)

Mulberry does not preserve the order of the current "View" when
doing an aggregate save and this is one (of the many) reasons
that I still sometimes use Pine rather than completely switching
to Mulberry.

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Hi,

My university has recently changed its mail server to Microsoft Exchange =
2000 using Active Directory and I'm now having trouble configuring Pine =
on my linux machine to send mail. My old solution of setting Pine's =
configuration file to:

smtp-server =3D old-mail-server/user=3Dmy-user-name

doesn't work and when I attempt to send a message I get the error:

"SMTP authentication cancelled"

I would be grateful if anyone could help me out with this if they've had =
a similar experience or know about configuring Pine with Microsoft =
Exchange 2000 and Active Directory.

Many thanks,

David Peebles
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When I send email, the reply-to address is [email protected] when it
should be [email protected]. I assume its putting twical because I am
logged into my unix box with twical instead of troy.?.? In the config
area I cannot find where to set the reply to address. Is this possible
or do I need to create yet another account on my box under 'troy?'
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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Satya wrote:

> On May 7, 2003 at 00:37, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
> >Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> >different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
>
> Different pine sessions?
>
> >if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
>
> I do this by creating a temp folder, sorting everything, select all,
> save to temp folder, delete, go to temp folder, select all, and save
> back to original folder. Takes less time to do than to describe.

I sort, select all, save to the same folder I'm in---you don't really need
the temp folder!
jo

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On May 7, 2003, 12:39 (-0700) Wical, Troy <[email protected]> wrote:

> When I send email, the reply-to address is [email protected] when it
> should be [email protected]. I assume its putting twical because I am
> logged into my unix box with twical instead of troy.?.? In the config
> area I cannot find where to set the reply to address. Is this possible
> or do I need to create yet another account on my box under 'troy?'

Normally, Pine does not set the reply-to header, but it could be
configured to set any reply-to. See "customized-hdrs" in the configuration
meny.

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On May 6, 2003, 16:02 (-0700) Terry Gray <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does it help to realize that Pine nevers sorts *mailboxes*, only its
> *VIEW* of a mailbox?

Well, that is the limitation that I tried to convey. -- I'd like to have
both sorting of mailboxes and views of mailboxes.

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On May 6, 2003, 19:15 (-0400) Douglas Kline <[email protected]> wrote:

> That is the answer here. Re-sorting the messages in the mailbox isn't
> possible if the mailbox is the user's spooling file. That would mean
> separating out each message individually and re-writing the file, the same
> file to which incoming messages are appended.

Well, that is what you do when you remove mail from the spool file. If you
have a working locking mechanism it is possible. Probably it is better to
refrain from sorting the spool file since other programs might save
information about the order, but that is not a major problem.

You could put the INBOX in you home directory, and then there is no
conflict with other programs. And most of my mailboxes are other mailboxes
that I'd really like to sort by arrival date.

Mats

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On May 6, 2003, 19:22 (-0400) Satya <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> >different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
>
> Different pine sessions?

Yes, I usually have at least two xterm windows each with a pine session to
the same mail collection. It is very powerful. For it to work you have to
convert you inbox to MBX format (and store it in the home directory).

I can have can have one outgoing mail open at the same time as I look for
old mail, from which to get information.

I always leave pine open on my computer at work. And log in from home and
read mail in a new pine session.

It works as charm!

> >if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
>
> I do this by creating a temp folder, sorting everything, select all,
> save to temp folder, delete, go to temp folder, select all, and save
> back to original folder. Takes less time to do than to describe.

Well, I'd like to see that coded into pine.

> >Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
> >even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
> >information.
>
> $a does it.

No, it sorts (the view) by date of arrival to that mailbox.

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On May 7, 2003, 11:02 (+0800) Sen Sui <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes. A friend told me it's inefficient to operate on a flat mail folder
> file. Afterall, it's not a database. But another friend told me that Elm
> does it right. Ok, so perhaps PINE. :P

If you convert to mbx format you get a more efficient format. With mbx
format pine can jump from mail to mail in the file since the mail starts
with a line that says how large the mail is. If you have a large mailbox
you'll see a huge difference.

Elm stores each mail in a file, doesn't it? The downside is that is
requires more opening and closing of files, which is less efficient.

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On May 7, 2003 at 22:30, Mats Dufberg wrote:

>Yes, I usually have at least two xterm windows each with a pine session to
>the same mail collection. It is very powerful. For it to work you have to
>convert you inbox to MBX format (and store it in the home directory).

>I always leave pine open on my computer at work. And log in from home and
>read mail in a new pine session.

Uh... If I tried to do that, it'd "try... to get get mailbox lock from
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On May 7, 2003 at 12:03, Jo Knox wrote:

>On Tue, 6 May 2003, Satya wrote:
>> I do this by creating a temp folder, sorting everything, select all,
>> save to temp folder, delete, go to temp folder, select all, and save
>> back to original folder. Takes less time to do than to describe.
>I sort, select all, save to the same folder I'm in---you don't really need
>the temp folder!

That'll work, I just don't like writing to the same buffer that I'm
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On May 7, 2003, 16:48 (-0400) Satya <[email protected]> wrote:

> On May 7, 2003 at 22:30, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
> >Yes, I usually have at least two xterm windows each with a pine session to
> >the same mail collection. It is very powerful. For it to work you have to
> >convert you inbox to MBX format (and store it in the home directory).
>
> >I always leave pine open on my computer at work. And log in from home and
> >read mail in a new pine session.
>
> Uh... If I tried to do that, it'd "try... to get get mailbox lock from
> process...".

Yes, because you have not converted your mbx format. Maybe it is only
necessary to move the inbox to your home directory.

Mats

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Anyone gotten pine to do kerberos auth on Mac OS X (for either imap or
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I get :

[Server disables LOGIN, no recognized SASL authenticator]

The build appeared to go correctly... Mail.app works fine with kerb
auth on the same account/ server. Server is specified like this:
inbox-path={bw.4am-media.com}INBOX

Thanks-

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> When I send email, the reply-to address is [email protected] when it
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I assume you meant From: header, and not Reply-To: because Reply-To is
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elm, at least in my experience, reads the spooling file and does not
re-order it. It was observed earlier that e-mail clients must necessarily
edit the spooling file in order to remove messages which have been deleted
for moved to other folders. It was observed in response that that editing
happens only at the close of an e-mail execution. I think it is possible
with at least some e-mail clients to cause such operations to take effect
without exiting the e-mail client. However that operation requires much
less memory use and time in which the spooling file must be locked. In
fact, it would be possible to perform such an edit without making a copy
of the spooling file. It would be necessary to maintain in memory only
the contents of blocks which are being over-written. Since the edited
file will necessarily be shorter than it was before being edited,
allocation of new disk blocks wouldn't be necessary and the amount of the
file being written at a time could be set at the programmer's discretion
to any number of disk sectors.

Douglas

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Sen Sui wrote:

> Yes. A friend told me it's inefficient to operate on a flat mail folder
> file. Afterall, it's not a database. But another friend told me that Elm
> does it right. Ok, so perhaps PINE. :P
>
> On Tue, 6 May 2003, Douglas Kline wrote:
>
> >
> > That is the answer here. Re-sorting the messages in the mailbox isn't
> > possible if the mailbox is the user's spooling file. That would mean
> > separating out each message individually and re-writing the file, the same
> > file to which incoming messages are appended. Re-writing the index of
> > messages which pine (or some other e-mail client) displays, OTOH, is an
> > internal pine matter. It has the list in memory and can either re-write
> > that list or simply write out the lines in the list in a different order.
> > Re-writing the list makes more sense if the user is going to work with the
> > different order, grouping messages by number for example.
> >
> > Douglas
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 6 May 2003, Terry Gray wrote:
> >
> > > Does it help to realize that Pine nevers sorts *mailboxes*, only its
> > > *VIEW* of a mailbox?
> > >
> > > -teg
> > >
> > > On Wed, 7 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> > >
> > > > On May 6, 2003, 23:06 (+0100) Barry Landy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > :>Well, it would be good if there was a way to resort the messages either
> > > > > :>based on time of arrival or date field date, or something else.
> > > > > :>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hullo? $ D sorts by date field.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but only until you quit pine. It is powerful because you can have
> > > > different sorting i different pine sessions, but it would be more powerful
> > > > if you could resort the mail in the mailbox, even if it took some time.
> > > >
> > > > Sorting by original arrival should be added to the wishlist. Actually,
> > > > even if you use MBX format, the first line of the mail contains that
> > > > information.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mats
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mats Dufberg mats@dufberg
> > > > Blaoarvsgraend 42 +46-8-38 48 59
> > > > SE-162 45 Vaellingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Ah I see. I am however having problems find my .pinerc file. Any help?

Thx

Troy

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> When I send email, the reply-to address is [email protected] when it
> should be [email protected].

I assume you meant From: header, and not Reply-To: because Reply-To is
set only when you say so.

http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/write.html#changefrom
http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/write.html#replyto

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Wical, Troy wrote:

> Ah I see. I am however having problems find my .pinerc file. Any help?

Should be in your $HOME directory. For PC-Pine, I'm not sure.

In any case, for most of the methids sugested, you don't need to maually
edit your .pinerc file. Just use the config screen from Pine: (M)ain
(S)etup (C)onfig

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I've gotten this message a few times recently (deleting white space):
There was an SSL/TLS failure for the server
mail.apple.com
The reason for the failure was
SSL negotiation failed
This is just an informational message. With the current setup, SSL/TLS will not
work. If this error re-occurs every time you run Pine, your current setup is
not compatible with the configuration of your mail server. You may want to add
the option
/notls
to the name of the mail server you are attempting to access. In other words,
wherever you see the characters
mail.apple.com
in your configuration, replace those characters with
mail.apple.com/notls
Type RETURN to continue.

I don't see it every time, but I tried adding that to my configuration anyway,
and I still saw the message today (once so far).

i.e. my configuration is:
{mail.apple.com/notls/user=mattack}INBOX

Is this related to the
[SECURITY PROBLEM: insecure server advertised AUTH=PLAIN]

message that I get *EVERY* time I try to go to a new folder? I have asked
about this a few times, but never gotten an answer. I have _NO_ idea what
this message means nor how I can configure pine (even if it involves
recompiling) to get past it. It started several months ago.

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> i.e. my configuration is:
> {mail.apple.com/notls/user=mattack}INBOX
>
> Is this related to the
> [SECURITY PROBLEM: insecure server advertised AUTH=PLAIN]
>
> message that I get *EVERY* time I try to go to a new folder? I have asked
> about this a few times, but never gotten an answer. I have _NO_ idea what
> this message means

It's benign (it's essentially a "You're sending your password across the
internet unencrypted, dude!" message), but it is *annoying*, and yeah, you
have to // it out to get rid of it.

-Kenny

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So on one message I'm seeing some of the headers in the message even
with headers hidden. Here's a chunk of it:

Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:57:07 +0530
From: Raghunatha Reddy <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: raghunat reddy <[email protected]>
Subject: How to change the proxy settings through program

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I checked the same message in a GUI mail reader and they show up there too..

Here's a bit on the boundary:

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Is that "InterScan" part an invalid header? Can/should they be contacted about
it somehow?

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> So on one message I'm seeing some of the headers in the message even

You won't like this answer:

You're not seeing headers, you are seeing body.

To try to be more helpful:

The blank line between Subject: and Received: in
your quoted material below is the boundary between
headers and body. Something copied header material
into the body of the message.

The Received: headers are added to the message one
at a time, each being added at the top of the
message, one being added by each entity that
handles the message. The culprit could be the
Interscan Messaging Security Suite or any entity
that handled the message after that header was
available to copy (in other words, the authors of
the Received: headers before the Interscan
Received: header or some stealthy violater of the
standards that handled the message and did not add
a Received: header).

> with headers hidden. Here's a chunk of it:
>
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:57:07 +0530
> From: Raghunatha Reddy <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: raghunat reddy <[email protected]>
> Subject: How to change the proxy settings through program
>
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> InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 08 May 2003 20:50:54 +0530
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> blr-ec-bh2.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 8 May
> 2003 20:57:14 +0530
>
>
> I checked the same message in a GUI mail reader and they show up there too..
>
> Here's a bit on the boundary:
>
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> by wiproecmx2.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id h48FQw504211 for
> <[email protected]>; Thu, 08 May 2003 20:56:58 +0530 (IST)
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> InterScan
> Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 08 May 2003 20:50:54 +0530
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> Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 08 May 2003 20:57:14 +0530
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>
> Is that "InterScan" part an invalid header?
> Can/should they be contacted about it somehow?

The "InterScan" part is valid.

Headers may be continued on the following lines by
beginning the second and later lines with
whitespace. Your "bit on the boundary" contains
four Received: headers, one with one continuation
line and three, including the InterScan one, with
two continuation lines.

If you copy the message to a scratch mailbox and
then look into the mailbox with a text editor
(emacs, vi, notepad, ed) you'll see two copies of
the offending headers, one copy in the headers and
one copy in the body of the message.

dan

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my university recently changed how mail is handled. before, each
machine ran its own mail process, but now one server handles all
incoming mail and users can access it through either a web interface
or through a pop/imap client.

since i have been using pine for years and want to continue (no
possible email viruses when used through unix session), i have set up
pine to connect and get my mail. i save any mail i keep locally, and
space in my account is not a problem.

unfortunately, the move to the new server either broadcasted our
account addresses or they've stopped some previous spam filtering, and
i've been bit with a wave of spam.

what i'd like to do is find some way to use something like
spamassassin with my current setup. the most direct rout, with me
needing to only type in one password each time i want to check mail,
would be to have pine auto save all the mail locally as it came in
from the mail server (as it gets checked), but have the mail filtered
externally as it gets saved locally. then all i have to do is keep
looking at one local file and the spam magically goes away.

once i have this set up, i've talked with others in my department and
they'd like to do the same.

caveats: i am not root. i use pine 4.33, but might be able to get
later version installed. i'd like to only have to type in my password
once each time i get mail.

what i envision is a filter that somehow pipes incoming mail to
spamassassin, which then applies its rules, possibly followed by
another filter on the local file that moves spam marked files to
another folder.

i'm asking this here because a search of the archives gave me a close
example but one that included fetchmail which isn't an option (no
local MTD access, password authentication insecure if auto). it also
seems like something that will be asked about more and more often as
mail servers aggregate all incoming mail at universities (where pine
is used mainly, as far as i know).

Thanks for any help,

Kevin White
USC Physics Dept.

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Hello,

Pine 4.55 is crashing when using the "T" command to take a role (or
anything other than an address). This requires the configuration option
enable-rules-under-take to be enabled. A patch to fix this bug can be
found in my web page (address below).

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Is there a maximum length for the text pattern for a rule?

Disclaimer, this is on 4.33.. My personal acct hasn't been updated past
then, because they're using something that makes it difficult to
update pine. (I think it's qmail, but again I may be wrong.)

Basically, I have a setscores rule that if it's to me or my mailing lists
(recipient), it gets a score of 100. And I have various spam setscores rules
that give a score of -100. Then I have a filter rule that from -INF, 99 moves
things to suspected-spam.

Lately my rules seem to be busted, and I really don't get it.

I just had a message that had me in the to line go to suspect-spam.

I have no idea why this is happening, and it's baffling.

(I did just realize I could try (-inf,-1) and then hopefully some more
things would stay in my INBOX..)

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This list has been silent for a goodly while; time to liven things up.

Recently, I've noticed the following two symbols appearing in the message
index screen in Pine:

A full stop (.) between the size and subject of a message.

The double character |- at the start of a message's subject.

I believe that certainly the first, and probably the second, represent
Pine trying to tell me something about the messages. However, neither the
context help screen, nor anything I can find on the web, tell me what.
Any ideas, please?

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Dan Hatton wrote:

DH> A full stop (.) between the size and subject of a message.
DH>
DH> The double character |- at the start of a message's subject.

To my knowledge this is Pine's way to display a threaded view of your
inbox (i.e. sorted by Topic/Thread)

Change the display settings with $ and one of the options given in the
lower menu bar (A, S, D, F, and so on)

Best regards,
Stefan

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Stefan Goessling-Reisemann wrote:

> DH> A full stop (.) between the size and subject of a message.
> DH>
> DH> The double character |- at the start of a message's subject.
>
> To my knowledge this is Pine's way to display a threaded view of your
> inbox (i.e. sorted by Topic/Thread)

Ah... So if there were a few more of them, my inbox would look like a
tree. I get it now.

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After using Pine on my Linux box for a number of years, I decided to ditch
my ever more frustrating windows mail client and install PC-Pine.

With Linux I use fetchmail to poll my ISP's pop server. What happens in
PC-Pine? does it depend on the interval set in the configuration file and
poll as long as the box is connected to the internet? If not, what is the
procedure to download mail?

Lastly, I had my windows client set to leave the messages on the server. I
don't see a way to do this with PC-Pine. Did I miss it or can't it be done?

Thanks for any pointers.

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On 11 May 2003 Bob Holtzman ([email protected]) wrote:
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> With Linux I use fetchmail to poll my ISP's pop server. What happens in
> PC-Pine?

If you are using PC-Pine 4.55, you can use the new maildrop
feature and the #move namespace to snarf messages from POP
servers (and from NNTP and IMAP servers too). For details go to
Main > RelNotes (MR) and read the Pine built-in Help files on
this.

> does it depend on the interval set in the configuration file and
> poll as long as the box is connected to the internet?

The frequency of polling is determined by mail-check-interval and
maildrop-check-minimum. The Pine built-in Help explains all this.

> Lastly, I had my windows client set to leave the messages on the server. I
> don't see a way to do this with PC-Pine. Did I miss it or can't it be done?

Not using the the maildrop and #move features but you could
possibly set up Pine filters to do this. If you want to leave
messages on the server, I recommend that you switch to using IMAP
rather than POP. Nowadays there are lots of good inexpensive IMAP
providers, for example mailsnare.net charges $20/year for 50 MB
of space and you can get an extra 250 MB of space for a one-time
fee of $24.95. They also have tools for automatically snarfing up
to 10 external IMAP/POP accounts so you could consolidate all
your mail there and then access using PC-Pine or any IMAP client
on any machine.

There are hundreds of other possible IMAP service providers, many
of which I list here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/>

Hope this helps,
Nancy

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*** Bob Holtzman ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on May 11,
2003:

:) With Linux I use fetchmail to poll my ISP's pop server. What happens in
:) PC-Pine? does it depend on the interval set in the configuration file
:) and poll as long as the box is connected to the internet? If not, what
:) is the procedure to download mail?

Pine has nothing to do with fetchmail. The intervals that appear in the
configuration file of Pine have nothing to do with checks for new mail in
POP, unless you use the maildrop feature of Pine.

There is information about maildrops in the release notes (press M R).
Additional information can be obtained from my web page at

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/pine-info/maildrop/

:) Lastly, I had my windows client set to leave the messages on the
:) server. I don't see a way to do this with PC-Pine. Did I miss it or
:) can't it be done?

Pine leaves the e-mail in the server when it accesses the mail using POP3.

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On 12 May 2003 Eduardo Chappa ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> :) Lastly, I had my windows client set to leave the messages on the
> :) server. I don't see a way to do this with PC-Pine. Did I miss it or
> :) can't it be done?
>
> Pine leaves the e-mail in the server when it accesses the mail using POP3.

Ah yes, Eduardo is right. After reading Bob's message about
fetchmail my brain shifted into snarfing-mail-with-#move mode and
I completely forgot about the old way that Pine does POP. It has
a lot of problems, which you will discover when you start
experimenting with it. I discuss Accessing and "Popping" POP
Inboxes on my Power Pine page here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#pop>

Hope this is helpful,
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On 8 May 2003 kwhite ([email protected]) wrote:
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> what i'd like to do is find some way to use something like
> spamassassin with my current setup. the most direct rout, with me
> needing to only type in one password each time i want to check mail,
> would be to have pine auto save all the mail locally as it came in
> from the mail server (as it gets checked), but have the mail filtered
> externally as it gets saved locally. then all i have to do is keep
> looking at one local file and the spam magically goes away.
>
> [...]
>
> i'm asking this here because a search of the archives gave me a close
> example but one that included fetchmail which isn't an option (no
> local MTD access, password authentication insecure if auto). it also
> seems like something that will be asked about more and more often as
> mail servers aggregate all incoming mail at universities (where pine
> is used mainly, as far as i know).

One possibility is to get your admin to install Pine 4.55 and
then you'll be able to use the new maildrop and #move features to
snarf the messages from the server using the POP protocol. Then
you can set up POPFile on your local system (the system on which
you run Pine) and have POPFile proxy all your POP activity. The
architecture will look like this:

+---------------+
| POP Server |
+---------------+
|
|
+---------------+
| POPFile Proxy |
+---------------+
|
|
+---------------+
| Pine 4.55 |
+---------------+

Then set up filters in Pine to process the messages based on the
headers that POPFile inserts in the messages.

POPFile and its original author John Graham-Cumming are getting a
lot of good press lately and from what I've read (and I read *a
lot* about mail-filtering tools), it seems that it's the best
tool around for doing the type of thing you'd like to do. You can
find out all about it, including links to all the media attention
here:

<http://popfile.sourceforge.net/>

Hope this helps,
Nancy
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Does the AllText pattern for matching use the 'rendered' version?

I think it does, but I'm not sure.

I added http:// as one of the things it searches for, but that isn't
triggering. (I want http:// in a message to be a spam trigger.)

Yes I realize responses to this would theoretically hit my filter when it
works.

But why isn't it working?

(I still haven't found answers to the various security problems I've been
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On Mon, 12 May 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> (I still haven't found answers to the various security problems I've been
> running into over the past few weeks.. it's aggravating to use pine on my
> work account nowadays when I get these warnings every time I go into
> a new mailbox.)

Dude- it's *not* a real "warning"- you can ignore it, and if it bugs you,
just comment it out- I did!

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Folks:

Hey, I've gotten pine with ssh/imap working:

1 - verify that I can ssh from pine client to imap server with no password
2 - build pine
3 - install the WU imapd somewhere on the imap server and link to it from
/etc/rimapd
4 - install pine and modify .pinerc as follows:
rsh-open-timeout=0 (to disable it)
ssh-command="/usr/local/bin/ssh imapserver -q -l myuserame exec
/etc/rimapd"
ssh-path=/usr/local/bin/ssh
ssh-open-timeout=10

Now, as I said, this WORKS. However, I don't want to have to put
/usr/local/bin/ssh or imapserver (the actual name of the server) or
myusername (the actual username) ... the %s's of the default ssh-command:

ssh-command="%s %s -l %s exec /etc/r%sd"

are supposed to take care of that, correct? Well, it doesn't work for me. I
tried only using the %s for any ONE of the 4 variables, but it doesn't work
for any of them individually, either. Is there some build flag in pine that
I'm overlooking for this? Or some .pinerc setting?

Also: oddly, the servername (imapserver) won't work when fully-qualified:
imapserver.mycompany.com. Strange? Yes. Thoughts?

Thanks!
-Hugh

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Hugh MacMullan wrote:

> Also: oddly, the servername (imapserver) won't work when
> fully-qualified: imapserver.mycompany.com. Strange? Yes. Thoughts?

Define "won't work". Take a look at the .pine.debug1 file to see what
Pine gets back from the server when it tries the ssh. The FQDN may not
be in your known_hosts file. So ssh to the FQDN once, verify and accept
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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Hugh MacMullan wrote:

> Hey, I've gotten pine with ssh/imap working:

Why would I use this vs. standard SSL/TLS IMAP from my provider?

Just curious,

-Kenny

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I have been using pine 3.95q directly on the mailspool for years
because when 4.x first came out, and for the next several releases
until I quit tracking it, pine was unable to find text within [] on
the Subject: line, which several of the lists I subscribe to use to
flag their messages in your mailbox.

We have just changed our mail distribution scheme on campus to force
everyone to use IMAP and I wanted the increased security of ssl, so I
tried the latest version of pine (4.53) installed on campus, and I
found really bizarre behavior when doing aggregate search commands,
which I use extensively to sort and manage folders. pine could not
find all sorts of strings in the Subject: header, such as =?big5? at
the beginning of the Subject: header. Searching on all text for big5
also failed to select the above messages. Similar searches for other
Asian charset strings in the Subject: header failed to showup.

I read something about improved searching in headers in the release
notes for 4.55, so I compiled and installed it local to my account,
and it handled some situations better.

Searching comp.mail.pine on google or the pine-info archive I found
some statement that pine does not expose anything on the Subject: line
within square brackets because the IMAP standard says you are not
supposed to. I have not checked the IMAP standard yet, but if that is
true it is both bizarre and insane.

I was considering hacking the source to fix that behavior (and also
investigate adding regex ability to searches) when I ran into a
discussion in pine-info in March where Eduardo Chappa told someone to
use the 'w' command followed by ^X to match all messages in the index
that show a given string. Interestingly enough, this gets past the
problems I not above in finding certain strings within the Subject:
line. However, I still do not understand why the search commands
would not work orthogonally. Why can I search within the [] with
w<string>
but not with ;th<string><ret>

???

I would appreciate discussion, justification, plus any leads on making
this work the way I want, including the ability to use regexes.

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Thanks, Gopi!

Doh. Getting the FQDN into the known_hosts did the trick. Fixed both
problems ... it was using FQDN with the %s so it failed, so the 'second'
problem was actually symptomatic of the entire issue!

Thanks again, Hugh

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Hugh MacMullan wrote:

> Also: oddly, the servername (imapserver) won't work when
> fully-qualified: imapserver.mycompany.com. Strange? Yes. Thoughts?

Define "won't work". Take a look at the .pine.debug1 file to see what
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----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Stewart Ellis" <[email protected]>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:31 PM
Subject: Search anomalies in pine 4.55

> I have been using pine 3.95q directly on the mailspool for years
> because when 4.x first came out, and for the next several releases
> until I quit tracking it, pine was unable to find text within [] on
> the Subject: line, which several of the lists I subscribe to use to
> flag their messages in your mailbox.
>
> We have just changed our mail distribution scheme on campus to force
> everyone to use IMAP and I wanted the increased security of ssl, so I
> tried the latest version of pine (4.53) installed on campus, and I
> found really bizarre behavior when doing aggregate search commands,
> which I use extensively to sort and manage folders. pine could not
> find all sorts of strings in the Subject: header, such as =?big5? at
> the beginning of the Subject: header. Searching on all text for big5
> also failed to select the above messages. Similar searches for other
> Asian charset strings in the Subject: header failed to showup.
>
> I read something about improved searching in headers in the release
> notes for 4.55, so I compiled and installed it local to my account,
> and it handled some situations better.
>
> Searching comp.mail.pine on google or the pine-info archive I found
> some statement that pine does not expose anything on the Subject: line
> within square brackets because the IMAP standard says you are not
> supposed to. I have not checked the IMAP standard yet, but if that is
> true it is both bizarre and insane.
>
> I was considering hacking the source to fix that behavior (and also
> investigate adding regex ability to searches) when I ran into a
> discussion in pine-info in March where Eduardo Chappa told someone to
> use the 'w' command followed by ^X to match all messages in the index
> that show a given string. Interestingly enough, this gets past the
> problems I not above in finding certain strings within the Subject:
> line. However, I still do not understand why the search commands
> would not work orthogonally. Why can I search within the [] with
> w<string>
> but not with ;th<string><ret>
>
> ???
>
> I would appreciate discussion, justification, plus any leads on making
> this work the way I want, including the ability to use regexes.
>
>
> Stew Ellis
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I've just upgraded pine from 4.53 (I think) to 4.55 (on FreeBSD); I
retrieve my mail directly from my mailbox, /var/mail/michael on the same
machine.

Previously pine would leave my mailbox empty after retrieving my mail.
Now it leaves behind the message below. This message is definitely being
created by pine, and not by the mailer daemon as it seems to claim.

Why has this message suddenly started to appear, and how can I get rid of
it?

Many thanks,
Michael Abbott

>From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 14 06:42:06 2003
Date: 14 May 2003 06:42:06 +0000
From: Mail System Internal Data <[email protected]>
Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
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X-IMAP: 1052894497 0000000003
Status: RO

This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software.
If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
with the data reset to initial values.

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Tim Baur wrote:
> guess you didnt bother to google for the answer, considering the first
> page is full of answers. and no, this is not a "new feature" in 4.55, as
> it's existed in every 4.x version.

Well, *something* has changed:

before upgrading to pine 4.55:
After running pine my incoming mailbox /var/mail/michael is empty
and running `from` displays nothing. This is how I like it.

after upgrading to pine 4.55:
Before running pine my incoming mailbox has an ordinary incoming
message in it and `from` shows me who it's from. After running
pine it has the message under discussion and `from` displays
MAILER-DAEMON.

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Tim Baur wrote:
> 1) What is this mail "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA"?
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
>
> This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not a
> real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software. If
> deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
> with the data reset to initial values.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> The above message is placed automatically in your mailbox by the mail
> server when you use Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) or a POP (Post
> Office Protocol) client such as Netscape that needs unique message
> numbers. In its heading it stores information such as the last unique
> message number for your mail.

This analysis does not seem to be applicable. In particular, I am not
using IMAP or POP to read the message, and it is definitely not being
placed into my mailbox (the file /var/mail/michael) until I run pine.

I have seen these messages in the mailboxes run by pine, and I'm not
concerned about them. However, this message has started to appear in my
main incoming mail box.

I suspect you may be confused between my use of pine and some other use of
this system.

>
> If you delete it, your whole mailbox area will be re-scanned to assign new
> message numbers. This will take some time and some folders may be missed,
> causing you to lose information.
>
> If you use IMAP, which allows you to manipulate your messages on the
> server, or if you use Netscape, make sure you do not delete the above
> message!
>
> Under normal circumstances, the only way you will see the mail system
> message is if you check your mail using a Unix based mail program such as
> Pine. Sometimes, when there is a "glitch" in the system, it will become
> visible to mail reading programs such as Eudora and Netscape.
>

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:

> I suspect you may be confused between my use of pine and some other use
> of this system.

No, I'm not.

-tbaur

FEATURE: quell-folder-internal-msg

This feature determines whether or not Pine will create "pseudo messages"
in folders that are in standard Unix or MMDF format.

Pine will normally create these pseudo messages when they are not already
present in a standard Unix or MMDF folder. Their purpose is to record
certain mailbox state data needed for correct IMAP and POP server
operation, and also for Pine to be able to mark messages as Answered when
the Reply has been postponed.

Sites which do not use IMAP/POP for remote mail access, and which need to
support mail tools that are adversely affected by the presence of the
pseudo-messages (e.g. some mail notification tools) may enable this
feature to tell Pine not to create them. Note that Pine's "Answered" flag
capability will be adversely affected if this is done.

Note too that, even if this feature is enabled, Pine will not remove
pseudo-messages when it encounters them (e.g. those created by UW's imapd
or ipopd servers.) This feature has no effect on folders that are not in
standard Unix or MMDF format, as pseudo-messages are not needed in the
other formats to record mailbox state information.

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> FEATURE: quell-folder-internal-msg

Ok. Now I am partly enlightened, and partly confused.

1. What is the difference between the following three mailboxes:

/var/mail/<user>
~/mbox
~/mail/
?
I would *like* pine to do whatever it pleases with everything under
~/mail/, in particular I'd like it to keep full internal information here.
So it seems that quell-folder-internal-msg is not what I want.

I have discovered that if ~/mbox exists then pine will read everything
from /var/mail/<user> into ~/mbox when I run pine. This is ok, and works
for me.

So previously it seemed there was a transfer of mail thus:

/var/mail/<user> -> ~/mbox -> ~/mail/

and ~/mbox and on are managed using the "pseudo message".

2. What has changed when I upgraded to 4.55 (from 4.53, I think)?

Taking a closer look, it would appear that pine is no longer reading
/var/mail/<user> into ~/mbox. *This* is perhaps the heart of my problem.

I have changed nothing in the configuration (I haven't touched my
configuration), but pine seems to have forgotten that ~/mbox exists.

So now it seems mail goes:

/var/mail/<user> -> ~/mail/

and /var/mail/<user> is now managed using the "pseudo message".

>
> This feature determines whether or not Pine will create "pseudo messages"
> in folders that are in standard Unix or MMDF format.

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On 13 May 2003 Kenneth Crudup ([email protected]) wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2003, Hugh MacMullan wrote:
>
> > Hey, I've gotten pine with ssh/imap working:
>
> Why would I use this vs. standard SSL/TLS IMAP from my provider?

If you have ssh access to the system that's running the IMAP
server, the advantage over SSL/TLS is that you can access the
IMAP server using ssh keys rather than passwords. This is useful
if you want to avoid typing your password and you are using a
version of Pine that was not built with PASSFILE support. And
even if you have the option of using the Pine PASSFILE, it's
better because the Pine PASSFILE is very easy to crack (I do it
every time I forget a password!).

Hope this makes sense,
Nancy

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:

> Taking a closer look, it would appear that pine is no longer reading
> /var/mail/<user> into ~/mbox. *This* is perhaps the heart of my
> problem.

ok. then please review:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/unix.html

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/mbox.html

mbox driver bug and patch

A bug was introduced in Pine 4.55 which can break the "mbox"
functionality for some users. mbox allows you to have a
traditional UNIX format INBOX in a file called "mbox" in your UNIX
home directory. Incoming mail is automatically moved from the
spool directory into the mbox file.

[...]

perhaps that's all that is needed to solve your problem, but it won't
change the pseudo messages from appearing.

enable quell-folder-internal-msg ...

also, stating that the pseudo messages "manage" your mbox, or spool file
is not accurate. they dont "manage" anything. they assist in recording
state data, that is all. you should never even see them unless editing the
raw text.

-tbaur

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*** Michael Abbott ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I've just upgraded pine from 4.53 (I think) to 4.55 (on FreeBSD); I
:) retrieve my mail directly from my mailbox, /var/mail/michael on the
:) same machine.
:)
:) Previously pine would leave my mailbox empty after retrieving my mail.
:) Now it leaves behind the message below. This message is definitely
:) being created by pine, and not by the mailer daemon as it seems to
:) claim.
:)
:) Why has this message suddenly started to appear, and how can I get rid
:) of it?

This is a bug in pine4.55. The intent of the message is that it will not
be created in mailboxen that do not contain it. Take a look at this
message by Mark Crispin:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.NXT.4.30.0005051317460.2119-100000%40Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU

If you don't have web access at this moment, it says (among other things)
the following:

<Q>
The infamous "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE" pseudo-message is no longer
applied to existing UNIX-format mailboxes which don't have it; although it
will still be written to newly-created mailboxes. There's a new way of
storing the data which is more fragile, but hopefully more flame-proof.
</Q>

If you did not make any changes to the default compilation of Pine, then
an empty mailbox is in "UNIX" (sic) format, and since it existed (meaning
it was not created by Pine), no pseudo message should be added to it. The
above mentioned message was posted in the year 2000. I haven't seen any
explicit change in documentation ever since, and you are right, it stopped
working in Pine4.55, without any documentation change/warning.

Enabling quell-internal-message (or so) will get you around it, but you
are right, this *is* a bug.

--
Eduardo
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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> *** Michael Abbott ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
> today:
>
> :) I've just upgraded pine from 4.53 (I think) to 4.55 (on FreeBSD); I
> :)
> :) Previously pine would leave my mailbox empty after retrieving my mail.
> :) Now it leaves behind the message below. ...
> :)
> :) Why has this message suddenly started to appear, and how can I get rid
> :) of it?
>
> This is a bug in pine4.55. The intent of the message is that it will not
> be created in mailboxen that do not contain it. Take a look at this
> message by Mark Crispin:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.NXT.4.30.0005051317460.2119-100000%40Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU
>
> <Q>
> The infamous "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE" pseudo-message is no longer
> applied to existing UNIX-format mailboxes which don't have it; although it
> will still be written to newly-created mailboxes. There's a new way of
> storing the data which is more fragile, but hopefully more flame-proof.
> </Q>
>
> If you did not make any changes to the default compilation of Pine, then
> an empty mailbox is in "UNIX" (sic) format, and since it existed (meaning
> it was not created by Pine), no pseudo message should be added to it. The
> above mentioned message was posted in the year 2000. I haven't seen any
> explicit change in documentation ever since, and you are right, it stopped
> working in Pine4.55, without any documentation change/warning.
>
> Enabling quell-internal-message (or so) will get you around it, but you
> are right, this *is* a bug.

Hmm. Well, there was perhaps also another bug. This morning Tim Baur
pointed me to a useful defect report about pine 4.55:

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Tim Baur wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:
> > Taking a closer look, it would appear that pine is no longer reading
> > /var/mail/<user> into ~/mbox. *This* is perhaps the heart of my
> > problem.
>
> ok. then please review:
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/unix.html
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/mbox.html
>
> mbox driver bug and patch

Applying the workaround suggested in this link solved my problem: I am now
back to processing my mail via ~/mbox, and I'm happy to have the internal
message in ~/mbox -- I just wanted it out of my spool, and everything's
back to normal now.

Two bugs at once! Sigh.

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I inadvertently emailed this only to Nancy when I meant to post to the
list. Apologies.

Thanks to you and Eduardo. I've *almost* got it working. The only problem
remaining is that only some of the messages make it thru the filters.
After the messages are downloaded (and all modem activity ceases) and
filtered, a warning shows up that a number of messages remain in INBOX
which
would be the ISP's server. If I boot Linux and run fetchmail and then
mailstat, the number of messages shown equals the sum of PC-Pine's filtered
messages and the number reported as still in INBOX. At this point I'm
almost there but need a pointer to explain this situation.

Thanks again.

--
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......check the price of the beer!"

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On 16 May 2003 Bob Holtzman ([email protected]) wrote:
> Thanks to you and Eduardo. I've *almost* got it working. The only problem
> remaining is that only some of the messages make it thru the filters.
> After the messages are downloaded (and all modem activity ceases) and
> filtered, a warning shows up that a number of messages remain in INBOX
> which
> would be the ISP's server. If I boot Linux and run fetchmail and then
> mailstat, the number of messages shown equals the sum of PC-Pine's filtered
> messages and the number reported as still in INBOX. At this point I'm
> almost there but need a pointer to explain this situation.

Before we can help you, we need to know how you've set things up.
Eduardo and I suggested a number of things, namely:

* use Pine 4.55's new maildrop and #move features
* use Pine's /pop3 qualifier
* use Pine's filters
* use an external snarf tool such as fetchmail or mailutil
* use a combination of the above

Please let us know how you've set things up and we'll try to
help.

Thanks,
Nancy

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Hi!

Is there an easy way to store my nntp-server password like you can do
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I am asked for my nntp password every time I start pine. :-(

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Is it possible to get ansi-16color working with a Windows Terminal emulator
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On Mon, 19 May 2003, Christian Nygaard wrote:

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> use? 8color mode works good but its slightly on the gray side.

The Anzio emulator in VT320 mode suppoers 16 colors. You can even fine
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DUSPLAY environment variable.

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This one has me puzzled, yet I'm not sure it should, since I've done this
in PC-Pine successfully enough.
I'd like to use a pinerc file to have access to my account from a POP3
server which is on a different provider from my shell account.
So when I invoke this pop3 pinerc, I don't want to see my default inbox at
all, only the messages which are on the pop3 server.
Can this be done, and, if so, what's the easiest way?
Maybe it's something I'm doing, but when specifying the inbox-path for
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I don't need to reply to messages in this way, just read them, and
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Thanks!
--Rick

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Found the answer, sorry about the mailbox clutter.
--Rick

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Is it possible to make a folder, that recevied new mail, change
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This whould be veru usefull since I filter mai mail
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Hello.

The normal behaviour of the tab key in a folder is to visit unseen or
important messages. Is there a way to change it to only visit recent
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Hello.

I am getting an increasing number of spam messages that display with
blank From addresses, and I can't find how to filter on From addresses that are
displayed as empty.

When the messages are examined, the name of the sender is not included
in the From address, but the sending email address is included.

An example, is the part of the spam message header below.

On Fri, 23 May 2003, wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 23 May 03 01:08:34 GMT
> From: <[email protected]>

Is it possible to filter for a lack of a name in the From address? If
so, how do I do it?

Also, as in the Sent messages directory, where only a To email address
is used, and not a name included in that field, the list of the messages
includes the email address rather than a name (for example, if I send a
message to Fred Dagg <[email protected]>, then in the Sent messages
directory list of messages, the name Fred Dagg will be listed, and, if
I omit the name, and address the message to [email protected], then in
the Sent messages directory list of messages, the email address will be
listed instead of the name), can the PINE developers similarly do this
for the From address, so that in the directories to which incoming
messages are delivered (the Inbox for messages that are not directed by
filtering, and, other directories for messages to which filtered
messages are directed), if this has not already been done in a later
version of PINE?

I am using PINE v4.44, running on Red Hat Linux 7.3.

Thanks in anticipation.

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Is there any way I can stop Pine being helpful and printing attachments
that it thinks it recognizes as ASCII text? I keep finding I'm
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planet.

I'm not asking for clever automatic behaviour - I'm happy to turn off
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When viewing a message, if you press "V" one more time, it will take
you to the View Attachment screen. From that you can select and print
any message part individually, including the main body... although you
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sometimes a feature.)

Does that help as a work-around?

-teg

On Fri, 23 May 2003, Patrick Wallace wrote:

> Is there any way I can stop Pine being helpful and printing attachments
> that it thinks it recognizes as ASCII text? I keep finding I'm
> inadvertently printing LaTeX source files, which is not good for the
> planet.
>
> I'm not asking for clever automatic behaviour - I'm happy to turn off
> printing attachments completely, and do it manually.
>
> Patrick Wallace
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Starlink/HMNAO Internet: [email protected]
> Rutherford Appleton Laboratory Tel: +44-1235-445372
> Chilton, Didcot, Fax: +44-1235-446362
> Oxon OX11 0QX, UK
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>
>

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Terry Gray wrote:

> When viewing a message, if you press "V" one more time, it will take
> you to the View Attachment screen. From that you can select and print
> any message part individually, including the main body... although you
> lose the message headers in so doing. (Sometimes that's a bug,
> sometimes a feature.)

Aaarrghh! It all comes back to me. I've posted this question before
(because the problem keeps happening and each time I curse). In fact
it's why I joined the forum.

I just want to be able to hit YY to print the next message and then not
find that it's printing 30pp of LaTeX, Sorceror's Apprentice style. If I
had the foresight to use the V facility, I'd prefer to export the message
to a file, chop the unwanted 30pp off, and print. In fact sometimes I do
remember in time and use this technique.

Apologies for the wasted bandwidth.

Patrick Wallace
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*** Silviu Cojocaru ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on May...:

:) Is it possible to make a folder, that recevied new mail, change its
:) color ?
:)
:) This whould be veru usefull since I filter mai mail with procmail and
:) then I have to look in every mail folder for new mail :)

No, but I have a patch for Pine that will select those folders that have
new mail (so it will show them in bold or with a "X" to its left,
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http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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*** Nicolas Kowalski ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) The normal behaviour of the tab key in a folder is to visit unseen or
:) important messages. Is there a way to change it to only visit recent
:) messages ?

Hello Nicolas,

Yes, press M S C and enable

[X] tab-visits-next-new-message-only

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Nicolas Kowalski ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:
>
> :) The normal behaviour of the tab key in a folder is to visit unseen or
> :) important messages. Is there a way to change it to only visit recent
> :) messages ?
>
> Hello Nicolas,
>
> Yes, press M S C and enable
>
> [X] tab-visits-next-new-message-only
>

Hello Eduardo. Thanks for your response.

According to the help text, I see :

"Setting this feature causes Pine to skip the messages flagged as
important, and select unread messages exclusively. Tab behavior when
there are no new messages left to select remains unchanged. "

What I was hoping to see is "tab select recent messages only, leaving
unread and important messages unchanged". This could be usefull for
example when reading high volume mailing-lists folders, where sometimes
messages subjects do not catch my attention.

However, this is not really important, as I can select all messages and
flag them as read before leaving a folder.

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Bret Busby wrote:

> [...]
> Is it possible to filter for a lack of a name in the From address? If
> so, how do I do it?

No, I don't think so.

> Also, as in the Sent messages directory, where only a To email address
> is used, and not a name included in that field, the list of the messages
> includes the email address rather than a name (for example, if I send a
> message to Fred Dagg <[email protected]>, then in the Sent messages
> directory list of messages, the name Fred Dagg will be listed, and, if
> I omit the name, and address the message to [email protected], then in
> the Sent messages directory list of messages, the email address will be
> listed instead of the name), can the PINE developers similarly do this
> for the From address, so that in the directories to which incoming
> messages are delivered (the Inbox for messages that are not directed by
> filtering, and, other directories for messages to which filtered
> messages are directed), if this has not already been done in a later
> version of PINE?
>
> I am using PINE v4.44, running on Red Hat Linux 7.3.
>
> Thanks in anticipation.

I thought it already worked that way in v4.44, so maybe I'm not quite
understanding. Are you talking about the MESSAGE INDEX screen? What is
your index-format config variable set to? What does an example bad index
line look like? Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> On Fri, 23 May 2003, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> > Also, as in the Sent messages directory, where only a To email address
> > is used, and not a name included in that field, the list of the messages
> > includes the email address rather than a name (for example, if I send a
> > message to Fred Dagg <[email protected]>, then in the Sent messages
> > directory list of messages, the name Fred Dagg will be listed, and, if
> > I omit the name, and address the message to [email protected], then in

I suspect that, if you address the message to
<[email protected]> you will see the same problem
as with the From: header.

> > the Sent messages directory list of messages, the email address will be
> > listed instead of the name), can the PINE developers similarly do this
> > for the From address, so that in the directories to which incoming
> > messages are delivered (the Inbox for messages that are not directed by
> > filtering, and, other directories for messages to which filtered
> > messages are directed), if this has not already been done in a later
> > version of PINE?
> >
> > I am using PINE v4.44, running on Red Hat Linux 7.3.
> >
> > Thanks in anticipation.
>
> I thought it already worked that way in v4.44, so maybe I'm not quite
> understanding. Are you talking about the MESSAGE INDEX screen? What is
> your index-format config variable set to? What does an example bad index
> line look like? Thanks.

With a From: header that looks like

From: <[email protected]>

the MESSAGE INDEX entry looks like

A 345 Apr 21 (2048) Re: For what it's worth

I'm using Pine 4.44 on Solaris, and also whatever
Pine came with RedHat 7.2 on Linux, both show the
empty sender field. I suggested to my son-in-law
that he configure his name into his MUA for his
new ISP and it eventually got better. I think the
relevant detail is the < > with no comment.
Addresses without the < > and with no comment
display the address itself in the MESSAGE INDEX of
the same mailbox.

from the configuration:

index-format = <No Value Set>

At least, that's the way things are here for me to
see the problem.

dan

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> No, but I have a patch for Pine that will select those folders that have
> new mail (so it will show them in bold or with a "X" to its left,
> depending on your settings). You can get the patch from my web page at
>
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

Well I'll be happy with this :) Thanks!

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i joined this list because of this problem: my telnet account is full;
when i login to pine, it tells me that the disk is full and my access is
READ-ONLY. because my access is READ-ONLY, i cannot delete individual
messages in my inbox. i also cannot delete entire folders from my folder
menu because it tells me that my folders are being accessed by another
source, and access is denied. my mailbox has been stagnant for the past 2
weeks while i am sure i am still receiving emails that have not been
retreived.

does anyone know what i could do?

thanks

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, daniel lance herrick wrote:

>
> On Fri, 23 May 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 23 May 2003, Bret Busby wrote:
> >
> > > Also, as in the Sent messages directory, where only a To email address
> > > is used, and not a name included in that field, the list of the messages
> > > includes the email address rather than a name (for example, if I send a
> > > message to Fred Dagg <[email protected]>, then in the Sent messages
> > > directory list of messages, the name Fred Dagg will be listed, and, if
> > > I omit the name, and address the message to [email protected], then in
>
> I suspect that, if you address the message to
> <[email protected]> you will see the same problem
> as with the From: header.
>

No. Try it and see (except, use another, valid, email address).

> > > the Sent messages directory list of messages, the email address will be
> > > listed instead of the name), can the PINE developers similarly do this
> > > for the From address, so that in the directories to which incoming
> > > messages are delivered (the Inbox for messages that are not directed by
> > > filtering, and, other directories for messages to which filtered
> > > messages are directed), if this has not already been done in a later
> > > version of PINE?
> > >
> > > I am using PINE v4.44, running on Red Hat Linux 7.3.
> > >
> > > Thanks in anticipation.
> >
> > I thought it already worked that way in v4.44, so maybe I'm not quite
> > understanding. Are you talking about the MESSAGE INDEX screen? What is
> > your index-format config variable set to? What does an example bad index
> > line look like? Thanks.
>
> With a From: header that looks like
>
> From: <[email protected]>
>
> the MESSAGE INDEX entry looks like
>
> A 345 Apr 21 (2048) Re: For what it's worth
>
> I'm using Pine 4.44 on Solaris, and also whatever
> Pine came with RedHat 7.2 on Linux, both show the
> empty sender field. I suggested to my son-in-law
> that he configure his name into his MUA for his
> new ISP and it eventually got better. I think the
> relevant detail is the < > with no comment.
> Addresses without the < > and with no comment
> display the address itself in the MESSAGE INDEX of
> the same mailbox.
>
> from the configuration:
>
> index-format = <No Value Set>
>
> At least, that's the way things are here for me to
> see the problem.
>
> dan
>

My Message Index entry displays in the same way as the example above.

My index-format config variable is set as in the example above. From my
help facility, that should show the From name, or From email address
where the From name is missing, but it does not display the From email
address.

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Hello,

I am writing to see if someone can a find a work around solution for the
system adminstrators in my college who are going to shut down the telnet
service of our e-mail account from next month. The reason for that is
they say a lot of user save attachment files in the server disk when
they check mail using pine. They end up having the account locked
and have to ask for technical support to get the file removed (we are
logging to a shell without command prompt and we could not delete any
files).

I should like to know if it is possible to disable the "save attachment"
key in pine, either from the configuration setup file or compilation of
pine. I hope someone here can give me a soluation so that I can pass it to
the system administrators and hope they could change their mind. Thank
you.

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Tang Yuk Wai wrote:

> Hello,
<snip>
>
> I should like to know if it is possible to disable the "save attachment"
> key in pine, either from the configuration setup file or compilation of
> pine. I hope someone here can give me a soluation so that I can pass it to
> the system administrators and hope they could change their mind. Thank
> you.

I'm not aware of such an option (doesn't mean it does not exist ...)

However, seems to me if you're not allowed to save attachments you might
aswell not get them :)

On my system i needed smth to filter out dangerous attachments before they
got to the user. I used anomy defang for that. Since this works on
file-extensions I had to somehow store these files incase it deleted a
valid file. Our clients get a unique filename in the mailmessage the attach was
removed from which allows them to d/l the file from our server using a
webform.

Basically you could ask your admins to do the same. HAve them strip off
ALL attachments and store them on a disk with plenty of room. Setup a
webform so you can still get to them and delete everything in that
directory once a month to save space. As long as you don't share that
unique filename with anyone the file cannot be accessed by anyone else.
The filename on my system is smth like

<nnnn>-<date>-<nnnn>-<original_file_name>.<original_extension>.<nnnn>

nnnn being a random number. (kinda overkill but hey ...)

This would fix the problem imo :)

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From: Bernhard Kaindl <[email protected]>
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Subject: pine utf-8 summary and patch
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Hi,
I want to report the latest state of UTF-8 support for pine which
I am aware of. Please add anything I might be missing or missing to
refer to, thanks!

UTF-8 is only possible if your terminal supports it, this should be
the case for recent XFree86 Code if the Unix-Locale used ends with
UTF-8 like en_US.UTF-8 this has to be set in the environment when
starting e.g. xterm. Other termials capable of UTF-8 like mlterm
should be able to switch character encodings on the fly.

For complete utf-8 display it seems to be neccesary to enable the pine
config option pass-control-characters-as-is to prevent recent versions
of pine from dropping characters in the range of 0x80 to 0x9f which are
needed to send many UTF-8 characters to the terminal.

If all mails are converted to utf-8, e.g. by using procmail rules,
then it should be sufficient to set the charset option in the config
to utf-8 to prevent pine from attempting to translate the mail and
have all pre-converted mails displayed.

pico seems to support utf-8 as well, so even the standard editor
should work just in case, to send utf-8 mail then.

If you want to pine to convert mails to utf-8 for mail view and reply,
you can use the display-filters config option, but it's slow and you
need to convert the mail headers(to, from, subject) separately.

Jungshik Shin sent a patch it make it work better with UTF-8 and i18n
in general:

http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-utf8/2002-07/msg00012.html

It allows to convert the mail headers and provides new config options
to configure mime charset names names to charset names recognized by
iconv.

It also includes a good set of display filters, but using it adds
a delay to the message diplay in the viewer for me.

I updated this patch to 4.55 and made the use of display-filters obsolete
by replacing them with a streaming iconv() filter used by pine directly.

This patch should work on most modern Linux Distributions, I developed
it on SuSE Linux 8.2, but should work as soon as your xterm supports
UTF-8 correctly and your GLIBC has a working implementation of iconv().

This patch should work on Solaris as well if you define HAVE_ICONV
for your target:

/build EXTRACFLAGS="-DHAVE_ICONV" target

Bernhard

=======================================================================

PS: This patch only addresses the character set conversion issue, it
does not address the fact that pine thinks that the output of one byte
to the terminal moves the cursor by one at the same time. This is of
course not the case with any multibyte character encoding.

To fix this, a separate patch which addresses this issue is needed,
but this patch can be developed completely independent of this patch
because it addresses entirely different issues.

But if the bulk of your mail includes only a few non-ASCII characters,
this is not a major problem, the only thing you'll see that lines with
non-ASCII characters end too early and are instead wrapped to the next
line.

PPS: I've noticed a bug in the patch which is not yet fixed:

If I set assumed-charset in the config and view a message with
mailing list management information which pine appends in an
editoral at to bottom of the mail body, the mailing list
management editoral is completely messed up.

PPPS: Improvements which are missing:

1)

If the mail does not specify an encoding, US-ASCII is assumed by default
which does not always match your most common case.

You can change this by setting the assumed-charset config setting which
is added by this patch, but it would be good to see if e.g. the subject
contains a locale tag for for some encoding and use this encoding then
so that assumed-charset is not required to be set in this case to see
the mail converted using the best conversion.

2)

Some Windows Mailers mislabel their mails with an ISO-8859 charset
but are indeed encoded in Windows-1252.

It would be good to recogize these Windows Mailers and provide
automatic mappings from ISO-8859 to Windows encondings in this
case.

The charset-aliases setting provides such aliases already, but
they are not predefined.

I think it would be good to to make these mappings dependent of
the mailer and provide some mappings which are known to be good
by default which can be overridden by the user just in case.

Example config settings for use with this patch are:

charset-aliases=iso-8859-1:windows-1252,
iso-8859-12:windows-1250,
iso-8859-15:windows-1252,
iso-8859-2:windows-1252,
iso-8859-11:windows-874,
tis-620:windows-874,
gb2312:gb18030,
gbk:gb18030,
euc-cn:gb18030,
ks_c_5601-1987:x-windows-949,
5601:x-windows-949

iconv-aliases=x-windows-949:mscp949,
euc-kr:mscp949

PPPPS: If you have an UTF-8 Terminal but your pine OS does not have iconv():

libiconv like in Linux glibc:
http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/

The portable iconv implementation by Bruno Haible:
ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/gnu/libiconv-1.5.1.tar.gz

The portable iconv implementation by Konstantin Chuguev:
ftp://ftp.urc.ac.ru/pub/local/OS/Unix/converters/iconv-0.4.tar.gz

PPPPPS: Why Unicode? (Edited from the Unicode HOWTO)

People in different countries use different characters to represent the words
of their native languages. Nowadays most applications, including email systems
and web browsers, are 8-bit clean, i.e. they can operate on and display text
correctly provided that it is represented in an 8-bit character set, like
ISO-8859-1.

There are far more than 256 characters in the world - think of cyrillic,
hebrew, arabic, chinese, japanese, korean and thai -, and new characters
are being invented now and then. The problems that come up for users are:

* It is impossible to store text with characters from different character
sets in the same document.
* As long as every document has its own character set, and recognition
of the character set is not automatic, manual user intervention is
inevitable.
* New symbols like the Euro are being invented. ISO has issued a new
standard ISO-8859-15, which is mostly like ISO-8859-1 except that it
removes some rarely used characters (the old currency sign) and replaced
it with the Euro sign. If users adopt this standard, they have documents
in different character sets on their disk, and they start having to think
about it daily. But computers should make things simpler,
not more complicated.

The solution of this problem is the adoption of a world-wide usable
character set. This character set is Unicode http://www.unicode.org/

PPPPPPS: More Information:

Introduction to i18n - Coded Character Sets And Encodings in the World:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ch-codes.en.html

This text is a very comprehensive one-stop information resource on UTF-8
on Linux/Unix Operating systems:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html

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Here comes the patch (attached)

Note: UTF-8 is not only good when you recieve mails in different
locales which are not 100% compatible.

I do UTF-8 only because operating systems and mailers start to
switch to utf-8 and using utf-8 myself is the only way to be
compatible with it.

I also start to see nice benefits of this, for example, this patch
finally allows me to see all kinds of annotations which Windows Users
use to their mails:

„upper-lower quotes“ (I have some more but could not find them atm)

And some random signatures:

睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

Gáspár・ガーシュパール・Гашпар・가스팔・Γασπαρ
ᏱᎦᏊ ᎣᏌᏂᏳ ᎠᏓᏅᏙ ᎠᏓᏙᎵᎩ
ᏂᎪᎯᎸᎢ ᎾᏍᏋ ᎤᏠᏯᏍᏗ ᏂᎯ.

G̳á̳s̳p̳á̳r̳ ・ ɡaːʃpaːr ・ גאשפאר・

If you have SuSE Linux 8.2 and you set your locale to en_US.UTF-8,
start an xterm, select "Unicode Best" from the xterm font menu,
and show this mail with patched pine configured with character-set utf-8
and pass-control-character-as-is on and you see all the above!

And you can edit this with pico and vim!

Best Regards,
Bernhard Kaindl

On Mon, 26 May 2003, Bernhard Kaindl wrote:

> Hi,
> I want to report the latest state of UTF-8 support for pine which
> I am aware of. Please add anything I might be missing or missing to
> refer to, thanks!
>
> UTF-8 is only possible if your terminal supports it, this should be
> the case for recent XFree86 Code if the Unix-Locale used ends with
> .UTF-8 like en_US.UTF-8 this has to be set in the environment when
> starting e.g. xterm. Other termials capable of UTF-8 like mlterm
> should be able to switch character encodings on the fly.
>
> For complete utf-8 display it seems to be neccesary to enable the pine
> config option pass-control-characters-as-is to prevent recent versions
> of pine from dropping characters in the range of 0x80 to 0x9f which are
> needed to send many UTF-8 characters to the terminal.
>
> If all mails are converted to utf-8, e.g. by using procmail rules,
> then it should be sufficient to set the charset option in the config
> to utf-8 to prevent pine from attempting to translate the mail and
> have all pre-converted mails displayed.
>
> pico seems to support utf-8 as well, so even the standard editor
> should work just in case, to send utf-8 mail then.
>
> If you want to pine to convert mails to utf-8 for mail view and reply,
> you can use the display-filters config option, but it's slow and you
> need to convert the mail headers(to, from, subject) separately.
>
> Jungshik Shin sent a patch it make it work better with UTF-8 and i18n
> in general:
>
> http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-utf8/2002-07/msg00012.html
>
> It allows to convert the mail headers and provides new config options
> to configure mime charset names names to charset names recognized by
> iconv.
>
> It also includes a good set of display filters, but using it adds
> a delay to the message diplay in the viewer for me.
>
> I updated this patch to 4.55 and made the use of display-filters obsolete
> by replacing them with a streaming iconv() filter used by pine directly.
>
> This patch should work on most modern Linux Distributions, I developed
> it on SuSE Linux 8.2, but should work as soon as your xterm supports
> UTF-8 correctly and your GLIBC has a working implementation of iconv().
>
> This patch should work on Solaris as well if you define HAVE_ICONV
> for your target:
>
> ./build EXTRACFLAGS="-DHAVE_ICONV" target
>
> Bernhard
>
> =======================================================================
>
> PS: This patch only addresses the character set conversion issue, it
> does not address the fact that pine thinks that the output of one byte
> to the terminal moves the cursor by one at the same time. This is of
> course not the case with any multibyte character encoding.
>
> To fix this, a separate patch which addresses this issue is needed,
> but this patch can be developed completely independent of this patch
> because it addresses entirely different issues.
>
> But if the bulk of your mail includes only a few non-ASCII characters,
> this is not a major problem, the only thing you'll see that lines with
> non-ASCII characters end too early and are instead wrapped to the next
> line.
>
> PPS: I've noticed a bug in the patch which is not yet fixed:
>
> If I set assumed-charset in the config and view a message with
> mailing list management information which pine appends in an
> editoral at to bottom of the mail body, the mailing list
> management editoral is completely messed up.
>
> PPPS: Improvements which are missing:
>
> 1)
>
> If the mail does not specify an encoding, US-ASCII is assumed by default
> which does not always match your most common case.
>
> You can change this by setting the assumed-charset config setting which
> is added by this patch, but it would be good to see if e.g. the subject
> contains a locale tag for for some encoding and use this encoding then
> so that assumed-charset is not required to be set in this case to see
> the mail converted using the best conversion.
>
> 2)
>
> Some Windows Mailers mislabel their mails with an ISO-8859 charset
> but are indeed encoded in Windows-1252.
>
> It would be good to recogize these Windows Mailers and provide
> automatic mappings from ISO-8859 to Windows encondings in this
> case.
>
> The charset-aliases setting provides such aliases already, but
> they are not predefined.
>
> I think it would be good to to make these mappings dependent of
> the mailer and provide some mappings which are known to be good
> by default which can be overridden by the user just in case.
>
> Example config settings for use with this patch are:
>
> charset-aliases=iso-8859-1:windows-1252,
> iso-8859-12:windows-1250,
> iso-8859-15:windows-1252,
> iso-8859-2:windows-1252,
> iso-8859-11:windows-874,
> tis-620:windows-874,
> gb2312:gb18030,
> gbk:gb18030,
> euc-cn:gb18030,
> ks_c_5601-1987:x-windows-949,
> 5601:x-windows-949
>
> iconv-aliases=x-windows-949:mscp949,
> euc-kr:mscp949
>
> PPPPS: If you have an UTF-8 Terminal but your pine OS does not have iconv():
>
> libiconv like in Linux glibc:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/
>
> The portable iconv implementation by Bruno Haible:
> ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/gnu/libiconv-1.5.1.tar.gz
>
> The portable iconv implementation by Konstantin Chuguev:
> ftp://ftp.urc.ac.ru/pub/local/OS/Unix/converters/iconv-0.4.tar.gz
>
> PPPPPS: Why Unicode? (Edited from the Unicode HOWTO)
>
> People in different countries use different characters to represent the words
> of their native languages. Nowadays most applications, including email systems
> and web browsers, are 8-bit clean, i.e. they can operate on and display text
> correctly provided that it is represented in an 8-bit character set, like
> ISO-8859-1.
>
> There are far more than 256 characters in the world - think of cyrillic,
> hebrew, arabic, chinese, japanese, korean and thai -, and new characters
> are being invented now and then. The problems that come up for users are:
>
> * It is impossible to store text with characters from different character
> sets in the same document.
> * As long as every document has its own character set, and recognition
> of the character set is not automatic, manual user intervention is
> inevitable.
> * New symbols like the Euro are being invented. ISO has issued a new
> standard ISO-8859-15, which is mostly like ISO-8859-1 except that it
> removes some rarely used characters (the old currency sign) and replaced
> it with the Euro sign. If users adopt this standard, they have documents
> in different character sets on their disk, and they start having to think
> about it daily. But computers should make things simpler,
> not more complicated.
>
> The solution of this problem is the adoption of a world-wide usable
> character set. This character set is Unicode http://www.unicode.org/
>
> PPPPPPS: More Information:
>
> Introduction to i18n - Coded Character Sets And Encodings in the World:
>
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ch-codes.en.html
>
> This text is a very comprehensive one-stop information resource on UTF-8
> on Linux/Unix Operating systems:
>
> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html
>
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> I'm not aware of such an option (doesn't mean it does not exist ...)
>
> However, seems to me if you're not allowed to save attachments you might
> aswell not get them :)
>
> On my system i needed smth to filter out dangerous attachments before they
> got to the user. I used anomy defang for that. Since this works on
> file-extensions I had to somehow store these files incase it deleted a
> valid file. Our clients get a unique filename in the mailmessage the attach was
> removed from which allows them to d/l the file from our server using a
> webform.

Thanks for the suggestions. Actually, they provide a website for us to
check the e-mails and save attachments so it is not a problem if the save
attachment option in pine (access through telnet) is disabled. However, I
think it is more convenient to check mail with pine, which I have been
using for many years and if I could find a solution here and tell the
system administrators they may change their mind.

Tang Yuk Wai

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Hi,

I wonder how to set up PINE to display properly content of my inbox folder?
I have an unix machine connecting to win exchange server. The problem is
that I have several subfolders in that INBOX folder. Could someone help me?

In .pinerc I have following line:

inbox-path={ip-to-server/username=myname/}INBOX, but folder hierarchy is as
follows:

inbox - contains messages
+ one folder -contains messages

Messages are rule processed on server. I use pine 4.51 on FreeBSD.

Zbynek
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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Nicolas Kowalski wrote:

> The normal behaviour of the tab key in a folder is to visit unseen or
> important messages. Is there a way to change it to only visit recent
> messages ?

Actually, Nancy McGough already gave the solution. I found it in the
archives. I think I have misread this mail, so, Nancy, I really
apologize.

ref: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2002.04/msg00016.html

Using "IMAPSTATUS" in the index-format makes the new (ie. recent) mail
check really easy to handle. No need to mark all mail as read.

Sorry for the noise.

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Tang Yuk Wai wrote:
>I am writing to see if someone can a find a work around solution for the
>system adminstrators in my college who are going to shut down the telnet
>service of our e-mail account from next month. The reason for that is

You can still use pine -- just compile it on your computer or on another
shell account (inside the college's firewall most likely), and point it at the
same mail account.

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Hello,

I've updated the UTF-8 patch:

http://www.suse.de/~bk/pine/iconv/pine4.55.iconv.diff.6d

People with SuSE Linux 8.1 or better around can use this rpm:

http://www.suse.de/~bk/pine/iconv/RPMS/8.1/pine-4.55-0.i586.rpm

I tested it for a few hours while cleaning up a big mailbox.

Fixed issues:

- fixed memory problem (Segmentation fault) in streaming iconv filter
- fixed handling of incomplete conversions in streaming iconv filter
- fix rfc822_q header decoding problem which only showed on second view

Best Regards,
Bernhard Kaindl

PS: Additional Information:

Configuration:

- set the character-set option in the pine config to: "utf-8"
- enable pass-control-characters-as-is in the pine config to
see some characters like german umlauts in the config correctly.
- See the bottom of this mail for some more examples

Special instructions for Users of SuSE Linux 8.2:

If you have SuSE Linux 8.2, all you have to do in addition is
to set your locale to an UTF-8 locale e.g. by putting entering
export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 start an xterm from this shell to have
the xterm started with UTF-8 character I/O. Then select
"Unicode Best" from the xterm font menu and start the patched
and configured pine in it.

If you use pico or vim as editor also support UTF-8, but without
any additional patches as of SuSE Linux 8.2.

Compilation:

This patch should work on most modern Linux Distributions, I developed
it on SuSE Linux 8.2, but should work as soon as your xterm supports
UTF-8 correctly and your system has iconv() the case for Solaris and
Linux with glibc-2.2 and newer.

On Solaris and other systems use:

./build EXTRACFLAGS="-DHAVE_ICONV" target

The patch uses a #define called HAVE_ICONV which indicates if the iconv()
library call which is available on this system. If no () is not provided
by the system, one of three freely available implementations can be used.

Current Status:

There is more to do to make pine's display engine understand that
byte which is sent to the terminal does not always move the cursor,
but that's a completely separate issue from the charset conversion
which this patch addresses.

Known Bug:

If assumed-charset in the config and you view a message with
mailing list management information which pine appends in an
editoral at to bottom of the mail body, the mailing list
management editoral is completely messed up.

Environment:

UTF-8 is only possible if your terminal supports it, this should be
the case for recent XFree86 Code if the Unix-Locale used ends with
UTF-8 like en_US.UTF-8 this has to be set in the environment when
starting e.g. xterm. Other termials capable of UTF-8 like mlterm
should be able to switch character encodings on the fly.

The original patch from Jungshik Shin sent with documentation,
the display-filters described are obsolete now:

http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-utf8/2002-07/msg00012.html

-

Free implementation of iconv, if your system doesn't provide one:

libiconv like in Linux glibc:
http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/

The portable iconv implementation by Bruno Haible:
ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/gnu/libiconv-1.5.1.tar.gz

The portable iconv implementation by Konstantin Chuguev:
ftp://ftp.urc.ac.ru/pub/local/OS/Unix/converters/iconv-0.4.tar.gz

-

Config settings for use with this patch are:

Required if use with UTF-8 is intented:

character-set=utf-8

Recommended:

pass-control-chars-as-is

Other Examples, highy personal:

assumed-charset=windows-1252

charset-aliases=iso-8859-1:windows-1252,
iso-8859-12:windows-1250,
iso-8859-15:windows-1252,
iso-8859-2:windows-1252,
iso-8859-11:windows-874,
tis-620:windows-874,
gb2312:gb18030,
gbk:gb18030,
euc-cn:gb18030,
ks_c_5601-1987:x-windows-949,
5601:x-windows-949

iconv-aliases=x-windows-949:mscp949,
euc-kr:mscp949

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On May 26, 2003, 16:09 (+0800) Tang Yuk Wai <[email protected]> wrote:

> I should like to know if it is possible to disable the "save attachment"
> key in pine, either from the configuration setup file or compilation of
> pine. I hope someone here can give me a soluation so that I can pass it to
> the system administrators and hope they could change their mind. Thank
> you.

I'm not really sure what you mean, but it is possible to remove the
attachment before you save the message.

Mats

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I have tested Bernhard's updated patch, and can report that it works quite
well. This is a big step forward in internationalizing Pine! Gone are the
garbage characters resulting from character set mismatches. I can display
European diacritics, Chinese spam, and so forth. I was testing with Anzio,
our telnet program, which is UTF-8 compatible.

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Guys,

Can somebody help me how to set my pine with gpg? I searched on google and
found several how-to but none (so far) works.

Chappa did the work for 4.33, shoudl I patch and recompile mine with this?
how?

thx
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Way back (October 1997,) there was a thread of this name, where E. T.
Manor reported that a friend had the following problem:

Pine regarded an address book as read-only, despite the permissions on the
file being "fine" (I take this to mean the user had write permission on
the address book.)

I've just encountered the same problem, and eventually discovered that the
cause was that, although I had write permission on the address book
itself, I didn't have write permission on the directory that contained the
address book.

chmod a+w on the directory fixed the problem.

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It used to work. A few week ago it changed. I'm
hoping you will tell me how I shot myself in the
foot.

Now, it is using just <linefeed> as the line
separater in the stuff sent to the printer and the
third line is completely off the right side of the
paper.

(Should be, effectively,
<linefeed><carriage return> so that each new line
starts at the left margin.) I can save a message
to a new folder and lpr that folder and things are
usable.

This is Pine 4.44 running on Solaris with the LDAP
feature compiled in. None of that has changed in
several months.

I don't see anyuthing remotely relevant at M S C.

dan

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Does anybody know how to configure pine to have customized replies, ie,
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setup the <--snip ahead and behind of cut&paste text?...might be outside of
pine on that one...so far on my LUG, all anybody could tell me about was
mutt, and I don't much care for mutt...thanks
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On May 28, 2003, 23:24 (-0700) David Sudjiman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Can somebody help me how to set my pine with gpg? I searched on google and
> found several how-to but none (so far) works.
>
> Chappa did the work for 4.33, shoudl I patch and recompile mine with this?
> how?

I didn't know that there are solutions that require recompilation, but I
have at work installed some filters that wordk without special
compilation, <http://pgp4pine.flatline.de/>.

If you run FreeBSD, you can find it in ports, mail/pgp4pine.

Mats

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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.56. This is a maintenance release with only a few new features.

Perhaps the most notable changes are bug fixes for broken "mbox"
functionality, for a crash when Taking to a Rule, for a crash when Sorting
on some IMAP servers, and for a problem when forwarding address book
entries and Taking them, which caused remote address book corruption.
There is some new support for reading news from more than one NNTP server,
a new tab-checks-recent feature to allow checking for new mail in a folder
without opening it, and a few other small improvements.

Specific information about changes can always be found in the built-in
release notes ("R" off the Main Menu), or via any of:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/

http://www.washington.edu/pine/changes.html

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

UNIX source code for the latest Pine release is available at:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/
or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
(MD5: 7dac77ef15b5db4fdaf8bf899f6d28d3)
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(MD5: 0e1fc91afffd8a6e20c527562f6a432f)

Pre-built binaries are available for a small number of UNIX operating
environments for citizens of the U.S. or Canada via:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/

Instructions for building UNIX Pine are in the README file in the
top-level directory of the tar file.

The PC-Pine distribution is also available at the above url, or at:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/setup_pine_4.56.exe
(MD5: 8761c1c7aab7348589f94d3959f3ebdc)

Alternatively, the zip file (like we've distributed in the past) is also
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ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm456w32.zip
(MD5: 08d183a65e32cd55d3a296a1d63d8726)

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> I didn't know that there are solutions that require recompilation, but I
> have at work installed some filters that wordk without special
> compilation, <http://pgp4pine.flatline.de/>.

imo, pine-pgp-filters is far superious to pgp4pine.

mail/pine-pgp-filters, or http://dougbarton.net/FreeBSD/Downloads/

just shell scripts, not OS dependant. quick, clean and fast. includes mime
encoding support as well, to verify attached signatures.

-tbaur

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Dear Mr. van der Smagt!

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Patrick van der Smagt wrote:

> I read your request at
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2003.05/msg00002.html and
> wondered if you found a solution for this problem?

There's nobody out there who had a solution for this problem on Windows
and PC-Pine. The Linux/Unix-Version from Pine is still working without
this problem. I installed pine version 4.33 on Debian GNU Linux. For
encrypting and decrypting I use the package pgp4pine. This contains any
scripts to set up pgp-filters in pine. pgp4pine rules :-)
If you search for the Unix/Linux-solution I could send my filter settings
and pgp4pine settings.

Bye and a nice weekend

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Hello,

I am trying to build on a sun running solaris 9 pine 4.55.
ecepop% uname -a
SunOS ecepop 5.9 Generic_112233-04 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000

After running this build command I get errors and it fails to build:
build gs5 SSLTYPE=none

osdep.c: In function `PFLUSH':
osdep.c:322: `stdout' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[3]: *** [osdep.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/pine4.55/imap/c-client'
make[2]: *** [gso] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/pine4.55/imap/c-client'
make[1]: *** [OSTYPE] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/pine4.55/imap'
make: *** [gso] Error 2
+---------------------------------------------+
| Problems building c-client |
| |
| Please check the output above for a |
| possible explanation for this failure |
+---------------------------------------------+

Any ideas how to fix this?

Soo

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syhom: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:42:51 -0700
syhom: From: Soo Hom <[email protected]>
syhom: To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
syhom: Subject: compilation error on solaris 9
syhom:
syhom: Hello,
syhom:
syhom: I am trying to build on a sun running solaris 9 pine 4.55.
syhom: ecepop% uname -a
syhom: SunOS ecepop 5.9 Generic_112233-04 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000
syhom:
syhom: After running this build command I get errors and it fails to build:
syhom: build gs5 SSLTYPE=none
syhom:
syhom: osdep.c: In function `PFLUSH':
syhom: osdep.c:322: `stdout' undeclared (first use in this function)
syhom: make[3]: *** [osdep.o] Error 1
syhom: make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/pine4.55/imap/c-client'
syhom: make[2]: *** [gso] Error 2
syhom: make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/pine4.55/imap/c-client'
syhom: make[1]: *** [OSTYPE] Error 2
syhom: make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/pine4.55/imap'
syhom: make: *** [gso] Error 2
syhom: +---------------------------------------------+
syhom: | Problems building c-client |
syhom: | |
syhom: | Please check the output above for a |
syhom: | possible explanation for this failure |
syhom: +---------------------------------------------+
syhom:
syhom:
syhom: Any ideas how to fix this?
syhom:
syhom:
syhom: Soo

If your compiler cannot find stdio.h and/or stdlib.h that's a problem.

Are you compiling as root or non-superuser?
What's your $PATH?

Scott Birl
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Howdy,

Does anyone happen to know if pine provides facilities to invoke
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Hmm, I would suggest a better mehtod is using SpamAssassin with procmail to
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OR he can use "IMAPAssassin" if his ISP is using the IMAP protocol. I use
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deleted (but not expunged).

On Sat, 31 May 2003, Lord Kimberley wrote:

>
> Hmm, I would suggest a better mehtod is using SpamAssassin with procmail to
> do the filtering before you get the messages and then using the baynean part
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>
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I did some furhter digging, and would like to be able to invoke a
command from within pine. I found pipes, but that requires me to
type teh command each time I want to send a message to the blacklist
or sa-learn script. Is there a way to map a control sequence to
the execution of a script? If I get a spam in my inbox, I would
like to hit cntrl+blah and have the message sent to sa-learn.
Has anyone accomplished this before?

Thanks,
- Ryan

On Sat, 31 May 2003, Karl Kingston wrote:

> OR he can use "IMAPAssassin" if his ISP is using the IMAP protocol. I use
> it here and it works OK. Just that you have to call it before calling
> Pine. Once you call up pine, you'll find the messages have already been
> deleted (but not expunged).
>
>
>
> On Sat, 31 May 2003, Lord Kimberley wrote:
>
> >
> > Hmm, I would suggest a better mehtod is using SpamAssassin with procmail to
> > do the filtering before you get the messages and then using the baynean part
> > sa-learn on any spam not correctly tagged. Blacklists can be a waste of
> > time, if you never get another message from the blacklisted address.
> >
> > I must say the messages collect interesting headers ...
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> > X-Spam-Level:
> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp)
> >
> >
> >
>

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No one ever really replied to this... Just a repost- has anyone managed
to get kerberized pine to run on Mac OS X? In general I'd rather use
pine than Mail.app...

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michael Bartosh <[email protected]>
> Date: Wed May 7, 2003 3:05:32 PM America/Denver
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: kerberos, pine and Mac OS X
>
>
> Anyone gotten pine to do kerberos auth on Mac OS X (for either imap or
> smtp?)
>
> I get :
>
> [Server disables LOGIN, no recognized SASL authenticator]
>
> The build appeared to go correctly... Mail.app works fine with kerb
> auth on the same account/ server. Server is specified like this:
> inbox-path={bw.4am-media.com}INBOX
>
> Thanks-
>
>
> http://www.4am-media.com
> Mac OS X Consulting and Training
> Michael Bartosh
> [email protected]
> 303.517.0272
> Denver, CO
>
>
> "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
> regard those who think alike than those who think differently."
>
> - -- Nietzsche
>
> Think Different.
>
>
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