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On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Erik Parker wrote:

>
>
> That is the best way I've found.. I use:
>
> :0 fw
> * ^Content-Type: multipart/encrypted
> | formail -i "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII"
> ##
>
> :0 fw
> * ^Content-Type: Application/PGP
> | formail -i "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII"
> ##
>
>
> ## to handle multipart crapola from stuff
> :0 fw
> * ^Content-Type: application/pgp-signature
> | formail -i "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII"
> ##
>
>
> As for sending.. I use PinePG.. and it works fine for sending and recieving. I
> send signature and messages in body. I'm not sure where you found that it is
> standard to send them as an attachment.. but the only people I Email with GPG
> that use attachments, are Mutt users. All the winlusers, and unix people i
> send back and forth with, mostly in the security industry, use inline.

Mh.. that puts the pgp sig inline, but the BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE
block is missing that way and so pinepg does not work.
Is there probably a way, I can get as nice pgp signed messages from
mutt users as these I get from other pine users? (i mean the
pinepgp preprocessed messages with invoked gpg)

cu, Daniel

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Sorry for this slightly off-subject post.

I seem to have been expunged from the mailing list for some time now -
about six weeks or so ago is my guess. I have written several messages
with no response to pine-info-owner and finally just tried to post to the
list which confirmed that I no longer had a subscription.

Obviously I have resubscribed.

Does anyone know why I was removed, and am I the only one to whom this has
happened?

Thanks,

Bruce Cohen

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On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> Does anyone know why I was removed, and am I the only one to whom this has
> happened?

Maybe for not putting in a "Subject" in your message? :-) :-)

Chances are it was an accident. Chances are no one knows why. Maybe you
were the only one....and maybe not.

But, you have resubscribed. So, everything is fine. Yes?

Ed

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My "From" header that pine builds:

From: Albert Wagner<[email protected]>

contains my login "root" rather than my email account user name=20
"alwagner". I can find no place in the pine config where my user=20
name can be entered. What am I missing?
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*** Albert Wagner ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) My "From" header that pine builds:
:)
:) From: Albert Wagner<[email protected]>
:)
:) contains my login "root" rather than my email account user name
:) "alwagner". I can find no place in the pine config where my user
:) name can be entered. What am I missing?

Press M S C and set up

Customized-Hdrs= From: "Albert Wagner" <[email protected]>

You can also change the From header using a Role (press M S R R to set up
one).

The latest version of Pine (4.53) also has a feature called
"disable-sender" which you may want to enable too.

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On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> I seem to have been expunged from the mailing list for some time now -
> about six weeks or so ago is my guess. I have written several messages
> with no response to pine-info-owner and finally just tried to post to the
> list which confirmed that I no longer had a subscription.
>
> Obviously I have resubscribed.
>
> Does anyone know why I was removed, and am I the only one to whom this has
> happened?

Same thing happened to me on December 19 or 20.

-- Steve

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HI,

I'm using Gentoo Linux and upgraded my pine installation
with the gentoo portage system. The current stable version
is Pine 4.50L0 (what does the 0L0 stand for?).
But in this version, the threading functionality
seems to be reduced... I'm only able to see the
expanded thread view. Collapsing with { and later
expanding with } does not work anymore. I'm just getting

[Command "{" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]

Why did this function disappear in the new version?

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*** Daniel Albuschat ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I'm using Gentoo Linux and upgraded my pine installation with the
:) gentoo portage system. The current stable version is Pine 4.50L0 (what
:) does the 0L0 stand for?).

The "L0" part indicates that there was a modification from the part of the
person that built that version of Pine, and in particular it means that if
you find a problem (a bug report) you should contact the person that built
that version of Pine before you report it here (because the bug may have
been introduced by that person).

:) But in this version, the threading functionality seems to be reduced...
:) I'm only able to see the expanded thread view. Collapsing with { and
:) later expanding with } does not work anymore. I'm just getting
:)
:) [Command "{" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]
:)
:) Why did this function disappear in the new version?

You were using a patched version of Pine (as you are doing now). I have a
patch that restores most of the commands that are missing in pine4.5X in
thread mode, among them:

* You can expand and collapse all threads with the "{" and "}" commands,
* You can sort threads by arrival.
* No need to collapse a thread to delete it (^D and ^U work as before).

The latest patch is for version 4.53 and is the one I would recommend you
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When viewing my 'sent-mail' folder in pine, I used to see the
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N 298 Apr 26 To: [email protected] (548) subject 1
N 299 Apr 26 To: [email protected] (785) subject 2
N 300 Apr 26 To: [email protected] (111K) subject 3

Now, I only see my name, i.e., the 'sender' of my email.

N 207 Apr 30 Robbie Martinez (709) subject 1
N 208 Apr 30 Robbie Martinez (631) subject 2
N 209 Apr 30 Robbie Martinez (741) subject 3

I'm not sure exactly what I did to change this behavior, but
I believe I'm using the same version of pine as I did before,

Version 4.05 (built Fri Oct 2 10:15:33 CDT 1998)

If anyone has a solution, please let me know.

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*** Robbie Martinez ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) When viewing my 'sent-mail' folder in pine, I used to see the recipient
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:)
:) N 298 Apr 26 To: [email protected] (548) subject 1
:) [deleted]
:) Now, I only see my name, i.e., the 'sender' of my email.
:)
:) N 207 Apr 30 Robbie Martinez (709) subject 1
:) [deleted]
:) I'm not sure exactly what I did to change this behavior, but
:) I believe I'm using the same version of pine as I did before,

Make sure that the address that you are using to send messages (the one
that appears in the From: field of the messages that you send) appears in
the alt-addresses variable (press M S C to get to the screen where you can
find that variable).

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Hi list,

Is there anyway to let pine search every folder for new
messages? I've set up procmail play a sound when receiving
mails and when hearing this sound, I have to go through
every folder to check for new mails...
I'm thinking of a looking-through-folder tab feature.

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> Is there anyway to let pine search every folder for new
> messages? I've set up procmail play a sound when receiving
> mails and when hearing this sound, I have to go through
> every folder to check for new mails...
> I'm thinking of a looking-through-folder tab feature.

The sequence I use all the time works for me, though it's not as nice as just
jumping from one folder to another with new mail:

l;puz

Now all folders with new mail are marked, and we're zoomed in that list. Go
through them all, then 'l;a;puz' to check again. When it doesn't have
anything left to zoom in on, get coffee. Repeat.

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Steve Huston wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> > Is there anyway to let pine search every folder for new
> > messages? I've set up procmail play a sound when receiving
> > mails and when hearing this sound, I have to go through
> > every folder to check for new mails...
> > I'm thinking of a looking-through-folder tab feature.
>
> The sequence I use all the time works for me, though it's not as nice as just
> jumping from one folder to another with new mail:
>
> l;puz
>
> Now all folders with new mail are marked, and we're zoomed in that list. Go
> through them all, then 'l;a;puz' to check again. When it doesn't have
> anything left to zoom in on, get coffee. Repeat.
>

What exactly do you mean by l;puz?
I assume you mean pressing exactly these keys in the main screen...
but that doesn't work since ;pu and z are not mapped in the folder
listing screen in my version (4.50L0).
Are you using perhaps another version or just mean it different?

thanks, daniel

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Steve Huston wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> > > Is there anyway to let pine search every folder for new
> > > messages? I've set up procmail play a sound when receiving
> > > mails and when hearing this sound, I have to go through
> > > every folder to check for new mails...
> > > I'm thinking of a looking-through-folder tab feature.
> > The sequence I use all the time works for me, though it's not as nice as just
> > jumping from one folder to another with new mail:
> > l;puz
> > Now all folders with new mail are marked, and we're zoomed in that list. Go
> > through them all, then 'l;a;puz' to check again. When it doesn't have
> > anything left to zoom in on, get coffee. Repeat.
> What exactly do you mean by l;puz?
> I assume you mean pressing exactly these keys in the main screen...

Yep; sorry, could've been a little clearer with that :>

> but that doesn't work since ;pu and z are not mapped in the folder
> listing screen in my version (4.50L0).
> Are you using perhaps another version or just mean it different?

Probably that there's some configuration options that you don't have turned
on, or else the keys changed since version 4.44 (what I run on the network
here right now). Make sure that enable-aggregate-command-set is turned on
either in your .pinerc or in the config page, and possibly enable-flag-cmd but
I'm not sure if that's needed.

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Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285
126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through
Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus,
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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Steve Huston wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Steve Huston wrote:
> > > On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> > > > Is there anyway to let pine search every folder for new
> > > > messages? I've set up procmail play a sound when receiving
> > > > mails and when hearing this sound, I have to go through
> > > > every folder to check for new mails...
> > > > I'm thinking of a looking-through-folder tab feature.
> > > The sequence I use all the time works for me, though it's not as nice as just
> > > jumping from one folder to another with new mail:
> > > l;puz
> > > Now all folders with new mail are marked, and we're zoomed in that list. Go
> > > through them all, then 'l;a;puz' to check again. When it doesn't have
> > > anything left to zoom in on, get coffee. Repeat.
> > What exactly do you mean by l;puz?
> > I assume you mean pressing exactly these keys in the main screen...
>
> Yep; sorry, could've been a little clearer with that :>
>
> > but that doesn't work since ;pu and z are not mapped in the folder
> > listing screen in my version (4.50L0).
> > Are you using perhaps another version or just mean it different?
>
> Probably that there's some configuration options that you don't have turned
> on, or else the keys changed since version 4.44 (what I run on the network
> here right now). Make sure that enable-aggregate-command-set is turned on
> either in your .pinerc or in the config page, and possibly enable-flag-cmd but
> I'm not sure if that's needed.

yep, that works!

thanks alot, daniel

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I also use the sequence l;puz to search for new messages in folders.
However, the problem I'm having is that pine zooms in on folders that do
not contain any messages at all. Someone on another list said that the
problem might be that pine is compiled with an internal message. However,
I do not see this message in any of my folders. Could anyone offer a
some help with this? Thanks.

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Steve Huston wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:
> > Is there anyway to let pine search every folder for new
> > messages? I've set up procmail play a sound when receiving
> > mails and when hearing this sound, I have to go through
> > every folder to check for new mails...
> > I'm thinking of a looking-through-folder tab feature.
>
> The sequence I use all the time works for me, though it's not as nice as just
> jumping from one folder to another with new mail:
>
> l;puz
>
> Now all folders with new mail are marked, and we're zoomed in that list. Go
> through them all, then 'l;a;puz' to check again. When it doesn't have
> anything left to zoom in on, get coffee. Repeat.
>
> --
> Steve Huston - Unix Systems Administrator, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences
> Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285
> 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through
> Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus,
> (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1'
>

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On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Stefan Goessling-Reisemann wrote:

> I start Unix-Pine (4.33 on different Unixes/Linux) and PC-Pine (4.44,
> 4.51, 4.52, 4.53 on Win 98, NT, XP) on different machines with the option
> -p{imapserver/user=myusername/ssl}.pinerc, which always works fine. Just
> when I look at the actual .pinerc in my home-dir it tends to get bigger
> and bigger over time. To be precise: in doubles in size every once in a
> while, and I cannot figure out under what circumstances. If I look at the
> .pinerc with Pine (opening it as a mail folder, which it actually is), I
> see 5 'messages', the first one being only some general information, the
> other four being configurations (3 old ones, one actual one). So far so
> good. In the course of a few weeks, the size of the configurations
> increased from 8 to 17 to 33 kB to .... Upon inspection, I saw that each
> configuration message contained one (two, four, ..) sets of the
> configuration settings appended to each other.

For those interested, we settled this off the list. There is a bug in
pine where this can occur with remote pinercs, and it is most likely to
happen when editing a config in 4.4x and subsequently editing it in
4.50-3. The bug will be fixed in the next release.

Jeff

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I can't get Reply-To to work correctly in Pine. I followed the directions
located here:

http://www.washington.edu/computing/faqs/html/pine.replyto

But no luck. The reply-to gets set to the from attribute no matter what.

If this helps, I have another customized header to set my from address.
Not sure if thats relivent.

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Hi,

I recently posted a patch on comp.mail.pine, but I realized that the
pine-info mailing-list was probably a better place to get feedback from
people who are actually potentially interested in this kind of details.

The short sotory is, I wrote a patch for 4.53 that
1. removes the leading Pine.ABC.x.yz from the Message ID, and
2. replaces it with: User-Agent: Pine/x.yz (ABC) in the headers (no, I'm
not using my customized pine at the moment, so don't look in the headers
of this mail they won't show anything interesting.)

The motivation for this was to be strictly compliant to Usenet Format,
which recommends a User-Agent field be present in the headers. (It's a
"SHOULD", not a "MUST", but still...)

However, I noticed that, when examining my sent-mail folder, Pine
would angrily tell me that my newsgroup post may or may NOT have made
it. After inspection of the source, I found that this was caused by a
so-called "kludge" in rfc822.c. So, I modified my initial patch to take
care of that issue, but more importantly, I believe that this portion of
the patch (the modifications to rfc822.c and imap4r1.c) could be used to
improve on the aforementioned "kludge". (The patch itself is available
at <http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~nicolas/software.shtml#pine>, if you
want to look at the code. This is not rocket science, far from it.)

Basically, pine tries to detect if a newsgroup post was made by a
"winning mail program" in order to consider it as non-bogus. However,
that code was written somewhere between 1995-1998. Since then, a number
of reputable mail/news programs have opted for putting their agent
information in the User-Agent field rather than embedding it in the
Message-ID. Sure enough, "User-Agent" is not part of RFC [2]822, but I
honestly think it is worth checking if one has been specified, and if
so, if it belongs to a reasonable mail and news program. In the patch
I propose, I only check whether the User-Agent field contains "Pine/"
(since that's what the patch provides in the first place) but this could
be easily extended to other checks.

Does anyone have any opinion on this?

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Friday 2003-01-31 @15:55 (-0600), Erik Parker wrote,
> :0 fw
> * ^Content-Type: multipart/encrypted
> | formail -i "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII"
> ##
>
> :0 fw
> * ^Content-Type: Application/PGP
> | formail -i "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII"
> ##
>
>
> ## to handle multipart crapola from stuff
> :0 fw
> * ^Content-Type: application/pgp-signature
> | formail -i "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII"
> ##

Thanks for this. I don't mind recieving signatures into body since pine
is now able to understand those inline.

> As for sending.. I use PinePG.. and it works fine for sending and recieving. I
> send signature and messages in body. I'm not sure where you found that it is
> standard to send them as an attachment.. but the only people I Email with GPG
> that use attachments, are Mutt users. All the winlusers, and unix people i
> send back and forth with, mostly in the security industry, use inline.

But most of the people don't have any PGP enabled email client, so i
would like my pine to send signatures as attachments.

I'm wondering if either PinePG, pgp4pine, pgpenvelope or PinePgp would be
able to do that.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

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Wednesday 2003-02-05 @18:10 (+0100), Pierre-Philipp Braun wrote,
> But most of the people don't have any PGP enabled email client, so i
> would like my pine to send signatures as attachments.
>
> I'm wondering if either PinePG, pgp4pine, pgpenvelope or PinePgp would be
> able to do that.

I believe i need to tweek my patched Pine configuration do that. Kind of
automatic attachment rule (could i use Eduardo's rules.patch for that?).

The MIME format should be something like Application/PGP-SIGNATURE or
something BTW.

I would like my Pine to allways attach a PGP signature (by default if
possible).

There's probably there's a way to do that, combining existing features.

Any idea about combining Pine with some pine*pg scritps to join the
scripts output automaticly as attachments would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Nicolas Christin wrote:
>However, I noticed that, when examining my sent-mail folder, Pine
>would angrily tell me that my newsgroup post may or may NOT have made
>it. After inspection of the source, I found that this was caused by a

This isn't really related, but the "reply by mail, post, both" question really
really bugs me.

I guess I appreciate that it's asking me, but I typically don't both email and
reply to Usenet.. and I don't use pine for Usenet, thus I don't want to have
pine suggest posting to me.

Basically I wish that I could make that question go away and it would always
just reply by email.

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I'm setting up a new pine installation on an os x box. The name of my
user account on this box is different (for the first time) than the
username that appears on the left-side of the at sign in my email
address. How do I set that variable in pine? It seems I can only set
the domain, and then it automatically uses my unix username.

thanks,
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On 5 Feb 2003 Todd Goldenbaum ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> How do I set that variable in pine? It seems I can only set
> the domain, and then it automatically uses my unix username.

This is a very confusing aspect of Pine's user interface and I've
even listed fixing it as my number one Pine wish on my main Pine
page in this section

Wish #1: Make it Easier to Change the Default From Header
in Unix Pine
<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishFrom>

This describes the problem, ways to get around it now, and
suggestions for how to improve this aspect of Pine's interface.

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But you can do that already.
Go to Main -> Setup -> Rules -> Roles , add a role, and scroll at the
bottom, to Compose Use, set it to Without confirmation, then modify 'Set
From' to the address you want the From: header be set, then give it a
nickname for the role, Exit twice, with changes saved, then try to compose
a message, see the From: header, send it to yourself to make sure it is
set as you want.
Not sure if this works for replying/forwarding etc, but there's plenty of
room to play with roles settings

|On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:

|Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:40:36 +0000 (GMT)
|From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
|To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
|Subject: Re: Setting the From: Address
|
|On 5 Feb 2003 Todd Goldenbaum ([email protected]) wrote:
|>
|> How do I set that variable in pine? It seems I can only set
|> the domain, and then it automatically uses my unix username.
|
|
|This is a very confusing aspect of Pine's user interface and I've
|even listed fixing it as my number one Pine wish on my main Pine
|page in this section
|
|
| Wish #1: Make it Easier to Change the Default From Header
| in Unix Pine
| <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishFrom>
|
|This describes the problem, ways to get around it now, and
|suggestions for how to improve this aspect of Pine's interface.
|
|Feedback is welcome,
|Nancy
|
|

____________________________________
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> |On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:
> |
> |This is a very confusing aspect of Pine's user interface and I've
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> |page in this section
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> | Wish #1: Make it Easier to Change the Default From Header
> | in Unix Pine
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On 6 Feb 2003 Catalin Braica ([email protected]) wrote:
> But you can do that already.

Yes, I know and I actually have information about how to do it on
my site. What I meant by "fixing it" is *fixing Pine's user
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Dear pine users!

When I send mail to many friends at a time, I often use the BCC-field, to
avoid spreading mail addresses via To or Bcc. I think that everyone should
be allowed to decide to whom they want their mail address to be known, and
in addition there could be a possible virus spreading risk. In chain
letters or similar, it could also be a problem that people send a copy to
a given address, and thereby spread the addresses to possible spammers.

The drawback with using BCC or LCC, is that some people (e.g. hotmail
users) have spam filters that put bcc-mail in the trash.

What I would like, is a feature that allows me to enter all addresses in a
To-field or "BTo"-field, if you like, and that Pine send all messages
separately, so that each user only see their own address in the To-field,
and optionally a "Copy sent to:" list of names only in the message body.

Is this already on the wish list, or does anyone have other solutions?

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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> What I would like, is a feature that allows me to enter all addresses
> in a To-field or "BTo"-field, if you like, and that Pine send all
> messages separately, so that each user only see their own address in
> the To-field, and optionally a "Copy sent to:" list of names only in
> the message body.
>
> Is this already on the wish list, or does anyone have other solutions?

Why not just use a simple shell script for that? (using pine in a for
loop over a list of recipients) - it wouldn't give you a "Copy sent to"
field, but the message would appear once for every recipient in your
sent-mail folder.

Not necessarily the most "user-friendly" way of doing what you're asking
for, but that's how I'd do it.

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On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 08:13 AM, Nancy McGough wrote:

>> |On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:
>> |
>> |This is a very confusing aspect of Pine's user interface and I've
>> |even listed fixing it as my number one Pine wish on my main Pine
>> |page in this section
>> |
>> | Wish #1: Make it Easier to Change the Default From Header
>> | in Unix Pine
>> | <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishFrom>
>
> On 6 Feb 2003 Catalin Braica ([email protected]) wrote:
>> But you can do that already.
>
>
> Yes, I know and I actually have information about how to do it on
> my site. What I meant by "fixing it" is *fixing Pine's user
> interface* so that people will stop asking this question almost
> every day!

No doubt, I can see why it gets asked alot-- such an obvoius thing to
add, amazing it's slipped the minds of the pine developers for so long.
:-P

Thanks for the help.

Fwiw Catalin, the way you described the solution- making it sound like
it should be obvious- almost sounds like some kind of high satire. ;)

Todd

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> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> What I would like, is a feature that allows me to enter all addresses
> in a To-field or "BTo"-field, if you like, and that Pine send all
> messages separately, so that each user only see their own address in
> the To-field, and optionally a "Copy sent to:" list of names only in
> the message body.

But is that not the intended use for the Bcc: field?
Bcc: = Blind carbon copy

When composing, press Ctrl-R in the header section and see the Bcc: field.

Greetings, SGR

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|On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Todd Goldenbaum wrote:

|Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:47:14 -0700
|From: Todd Goldenbaum <[email protected]>
|To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
|Subject: Re: Setting the From: Address
|
|
|On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 08:13 AM, Nancy McGough wrote:
|
|>> |On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Nancy McGough wrote:
|>> |
|>> |This is a very confusing aspect of Pine's user interface and I've
|>> |even listed fixing it as my number one Pine wish on my main Pine
|>> |page in this section
|>> |
|>> | Wish #1: Make it Easier to Change the Default From Header
|>> | in Unix Pine
|>> | <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishFrom>
|>
|> On 6 Feb 2003 Catalin Braica ([email protected]) wrote:
|>> But you can do that already.
|>
|>
|> Yes, I know and I actually have information about how to do it on
|> my site. What I meant by "fixing it" is *fixing Pine's user
|> interface* so that people will stop asking this question almost
|> every day!
|
|No doubt, I can see why it gets asked alot-- such an obvoius thing to
|add, amazing it's slipped the minds of the pine developers for so long.
| :-P
|
|Thanks for the help.
|
|Fwiw Catalin, the way you described the solution- making it sound like
|it should be obvious- almost sounds like some kind of high satire. ;)

:)) Sorry about that. I remembered that I use this feature at home, didn't
knew at first how i did set up, then re-made the steps in some sort of
logical order, then I thought it was simple, and writing it in reply
Also being a bit misled by my English reading skills adding the fact I'm
at the end of my working hours today ...
Ok, I admit it's not so easy to find it :)

Thanks to Nancy McGough for the link, I wish I found it when I was
searching for pine setup :(

____________________________________
Catalin Braica
catalin.braica AT edulib DOT ro
http://www.edulib.ro/~catalin/

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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 [email protected] wrote:

> The drawback with using BCC or LCC, is that some people (e.g. hotmail
> users) have spam filters that put bcc-mail in the trash.
>
> What I would like, is a feature that allows me to enter all addresses in a
> To-field or "BTo"-field, if you like, and that Pine send all messages
> separately, so that each user only see their own address in the To-field,
> and optionally a "Copy sent to:" list of names only in the message body.

I've wanted that behavior, too. The mail tool I used way back in the
1970's would do what I consider to be the right thing: when I put
multiple names in the bcc field, separate copies of the message should
be sent to each recipient showing only that recipient's name in the
bcc line and not the others. Then the recipient (and the recipient's
spam filter) is not surprised to find a message arriving that is not
addressed to the recipient, and the bcc indicates that the recipient's
address was not exposed to the people on the To line, either.

-- Steve

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Hi,

I use Pine 4.53 on FreeBSD in transparent Xterminal window, but when I try to
use color settings in Pine, it always sets the background to a solid color. Is
there any way to use just foreground colors with the default (transparent)
background?

Martin
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Martin Horcicka wrote:

> Is there any way to use just foreground colors with the default
> transparent) background?

No.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Martin Horcicka wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to use just foreground colors with the default
> > transparent) background?
>
> No.

No, in the sense, "No because it is not implemented", or no, in the
sense "No because it is impossible to create such a color pair the way
pine assigns colors"?

--
Nicolas

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Steve Hubert (2003-02-07 08:46 -0800):

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Martin Horcicka wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to use just foreground colors with the default
> > transparent) background?
>
> No.

:-)

And is there any chance to get this feature implemented in one of the future
versions of Pine?

Martin

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Nicolas Christin wrote:

> No, in the sense, "No because it is not implemented", or no, in the
> sense "No because it is impossible to create such a color pair the way
> pine assigns colors"?

I attempted to implement it but ran into problems because of the way pine
handles colors and other attributes. Surely it is a Simple Matter of
Programming, but the programming does not appear to be straightforward and
the time has not been found to do it. It is not currently in the upper
half of the list of things to do.

Steve

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Had this crash this morning starting up pine.. on 4.33..

Then trying to start up pine again, it just spun for a long time opening
the INBOX. I had to kill it and remove the Mailbox.lock file to get it to
start up again. Is pine supposed to warn about a lock file existing?

(gdb) core core
Core was generated by `pine'.
Program terminated with signal 10, Bus error.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libxnet.so.1...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libresolv.so.2...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...done.
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Reading symbols from /usr/platform/SUNW,Ultra-1/lib/libc_psr.so.1...done.
#0 0xef5c5c84 in _malloc_unlocked ()
(gdb) bt
#0 0xef5c5c84 in _malloc_unlocked ()
#1 0xef5c5b14 in malloc ()
#2 0x1ca4d8 in init_stack ()
#3 0x1ca798 in tparm ()
#4 0x13e0c0 in moveabsolute ()
#5 0x13e2b0 in MoveCursor ()
#6 0x10b82c in blank_keymenu ()
#7 0x13df00 in end_screen ()
#8 0x1006bc in panic ()
#9 0x11ebb0 in auger_in_signal ()
#10 <signal handler called>
#11 0xef5c5c84 in _malloc_unlocked ()
#12 0xef5c5b14 in malloc ()
#13 0x188000 in fs_get (size=49) at fs_unix.c:30
#14 0x1b0320 in unix_mbxline (stream=0x33b180, bs=0xefffd300, size=0xefffceec)
at unix.c:1534
#15 0x1af9a8 in unix_parse (stream=0x33b180, lock=0xefffcef0, op=294907)
at unix.c:1424
#16 0x1ac290 in unix_open (stream=0x33b180) at unix.c:408
#17 0x17c9e0 in mail_open (stream=0x33b180, name=0xefffe950 "Mailbox",
options=0) at mail.c:999
#18 0x10084c in pine_mail_open ()
#19 0x65294 in context_open ()
#20 0xa86d8 in do_broach_folder ()
#21 0xfbc4c in main ()
(gdb)

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Nicolas Christin wrote:
>
> > No, in the sense, "No because it is not implemented", or no, in the
> > sense "No because it is impossible to create such a color pair the way
> > pine assigns colors"?
>
> I attempted to implement it but ran into problems because of the way pine
> handles colors and other attributes. Surely it is a Simple Matter of
> Programming, but the programming does not appear to be straightforward and
> the time has not been found to do it. It is not currently in the upper
> half of the list of things to do.

That's certainly understandable. The reason I was asking was just so
that other people know whether it was doable or not. It probably is, so
nothing prevents anyone (meaning, an external contributor) to try and
write a patch for pine that does just that.

Best,
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I have a question regarding the monthly prompts I get to delete my old mail
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Andy Malato wrote:
>I have a question regarding the monthly prompts I get to delete my old mail
>folders. Is it possible to surpress this message. I would like to move my
>sent-mail at the end of each month, but do not wish to be prompted about my old
>sent-folders. Is this possible?

Your wish is pine's command. Check the prefs:

pruning-rule =
Set Rule Values
--- ----------------------
( ) ask about rename, ask about deleting
( ) ask about rename, don't delete
(*) always rename, ask about deleting
( ) always rename, don't delete
( ) don't rename, ask about deleting
( ) don't rename, don't delete

You want the one below the one I have selected. (Though I always say 'no',
so I guess I should probably change that pref too..)

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Hi,

I just get my laptop back for I haven't use it for 2 months. Back in those
time, I was using my outlook express to get my email. Can I have those
downloaded email imported to my pine?

thx
dave

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Hello,

The Outlook Express .MBX files should be compatible with Pine's mbox
format. I tried this before and just copied some .MBX files to my
mail directory and Pine found them no problem. I did notice that
some control characters seemed to have popped up in some fields, but
that was the only problem.

Allen

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, David Sudjiman wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just get my laptop back for I haven't use it for 2 months. Back in
> those time, I was using my outlook express to get my email. Can I have
> those downloaded email imported to my pine?
>
> thx
> .dave

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Another, and perhaps safer, idea would be to use an IMAP server as a moving
point.

Connect to the IMAP server via Outlook Express.
Create a folder. More if needed.
Copy the messages from the local mailbox folder(s) to the new folder(s).

Connect to the IMAP server via Pine.
Create local folder. More if needed.
Move the messages from the IMAP folder(s) to the local folder(s).

Note I said "copy" the first time. If something goes wrong you'd at least still
have the messages safely stored in the local Outlook Express folders. If you're
satisfied that things have worked properly you can always go back and delete
them later.

I use an Exchange server via IMAP from OE, Outlook, Pine and even some
programmed code. It works pretty well and has been very reliable. I've
likewise used a uw-imap server for similar purposes and also had great success.

Even if you have no need of an IMAP server forever, setting one up for moving
messages is easy enough. It's certainly safer that playing "guessing games"
with trying to read mailbox files directly.

-Bill Kearney

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Subject: Re: Can I import from my outlook express?

> Hello,
>
> The Outlook Express .MBX files should be compatible with Pine's mbox
> format. I tried this before and just copied some .MBX files to my
> mail directory and Pine found them no problem. I did notice that
> some control characters seemed to have popped up in some fields, but
> that was the only problem.
>
> Allen
>
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, David Sudjiman wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just get my laptop back for I haven't use it for 2 months. Back in
> > those time, I was using my outlook express to get my email. Can I have
> > those downloaded email imported to my pine?
> >
> > thx
> > .dave

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Susan Dorsey wrote:

> Hey,
>
> On 4.51 the insert message into another message function (^R ^W msg#) now
> indents with > by default. This didn't happen in the last version I
> built, 4.44. Haven't checked 4.53 yet, but soon. Is there a setting to
> stop this behavior? Not finding anything related to this in Setup Config.

Hello,

Thanks for pointing this out. It is a bug, and will be fixed in 4.54.

Jeff

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Hello together,

is this a bug? I use PINE 4.53 on SUSE Linux. By adding the line

#define PASSFILE ".pine.pwd"

to pine.h I enabled the password saving mechanism which always worked
fine. Now I got a second E-Mail Address from the same provider and I want
to access both inboxes. Here's a snip from my .pinerc

---------<snip>---------------------------------------------------------
incoming-folders=
om {imap.web.de/ssl/norsh/novalidate-cert/user=Oliver.Menge}inbox,
joeit {imap.web.de/ssl/norsh/novalidate-cert/user=joe_om},
---------<snip>---------------------------------------------------------

Let's say .pine.pwd exists and is empty and I try to open the 'om'-inbox.
Pine asks for the password and whether to store it on disk. If I agree to
save it and try later to open the 'joeit'-inbox PINE would always open the
om-inbox.

A similar effect I have with the smtp-server authentication, as for the
address [email protected] I have to use

smtp.web.de/user=Oliver.Menge

and for [email protected] I have to use

smtp.web.de/user=joe_om.

This I set up with different roles. Again if I save the smtp-password for
user=Oliver.Menge I won't be able to send with [email protected]. I belive
PINE tries to authentivate with Oliver.Menge, but then the from-line with
[email protected] is rejected by the smtp-server.

Everything goes oppsite, if (starting from an empty .pine.pwd) I save
first passwords for [email protected]. Then I'm not able to access my
om-inbox neither can I send E-Mails as [email protected].

Am I clear? Which further information is needed?

Thanks a lot,

Oliver Menge

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On 12 Feb 2003 Menge, Oliver ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> ---------<snip>---------------------------------------------------------
> incoming-folders=
> om {imap.web.de/ssl/norsh/novalidate-cert/user=Oliver.Menge}inbox,
> joeit {imap.web.de/ssl/norsh/novalidate-cert/user=joe_om},
> ---------<snip>---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Let's say .pine.pwd exists and is empty and I try to open the 'om'-inbox.
> Pine asks for the password and whether to store it on disk. If I agree to
> save it and try later to open the 'joeit'-inbox PINE would always open the
> om-inbox.

I also have this problem and I posted about it in this
comp.mail.pine message

<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.OSX.4.53.0301221234060.373%40ybpnyubfg>

It would be great if this were fixed!
Thanks,
Nancy
coming soon: <http://spam.deflexion.com>

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On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Zeena Benjamin wrote:

> Is it possible to know if the receiver has opened the mail sent by us?
> Can something be done while sending the mail to know this?
> Thanx

One of the minor reasons I use pine is that it
ignores such requests and does not send such
notifications to the person who originated the
message.

That said, you can use the facilities pine has for
adding headers to an outgoing message to copy the
Return Receipt Requested header inserted into some
e-mail by the Mail User Agents that try to be "the
only software you need to automate your office"
(ccMail, Lotus Notes, Microsoft Outlook, ...).
Then your outgoing mail will request an automated
response, and the office automation program whose
header you copied will comply with your wishes
when someone who uses that e-mail MUA reads your
e-mail.

People who read your mail with pine will not
respond to those requests. In fact, if you copy
the Microsoft form of the request, probably people
who read your mail with Lotus Notes will not
respond to those requests. (And vice versa.)

(If you think this message was not really helpful,
well, my take on the issue is that I have written
a procmail filter to remove those headers from
e-mail going to an e-mail discussion list I run.
The notifications end up in my box, not the box
of the originator of the message. Except for the
ones that go to the list, itself.)

dan

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As Daniel points out a great many programs do not support 'return receipt'
messages.

In addition, some servers (like Exchange) have the ability to /block/ such
receipts regardless of what the client program wants to do. So even if they
want to leave their client program set to return receipts the server may not
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If you want someone to respond then ask them. If you don't have a relationship
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, daniel lance herrick wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Zeena Benjamin wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to know if the receiver has opened the mail sent by us?
>> Can something be done while sending the mail to know this?
>> Thanx
>
>One of the minor reasons I use pine is that it ignores such requests and does
>not send such notifications to the person who originated the message.

I think a nicer response is that there's no uniformly followed policy for
return receipts for Internet email.

(That's allowing me a little bit of leeway because I think some of the
headers mentioned _are_ in one of the RFCs, but they weren't there from
day 1, and are thus not supported by many/most sites.)

This is actually one of the things I miss most from QuickMail, an otherwise
utterly horrid (I even thought so at the time) proprietary email system we
used to use at work long long ago.

--
top-posting: It's just a bad idea.

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Hi Zena and all:

There are two methods you can use to request a return receipt. The first
is to change a setting in your pine configuration. From the main menu, type
s for setup and c for configure. Type a control-w to search for the
customized-hdrs field. Hit c to change and type the following:

Return-Receipt-To: [email protected] (or any other email address you
might use).

You can also only request a return receipt for certain individuals that
you want to make sure they receive your correspondence. When you are
composing a new message, type a control-r in the to: field. Go down to the
Return-R: field and type in your email address and press enter. This field
is already filled in if you use the customized-hdrs field in pine's
configuration settings.

Hope this helps.

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After having sent this to the comp.mail.pine newsgroup and having had 0
replies I though I'd try this list.

I have the following problem :

http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine.png
http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine2.png (i blanked out ips/emails)

As you can see SOME mails will show up without subject/to stuff.

I've tried pretty much every setting i can think of. This only started
happening recently. (I think it started when i upgraded to 4.53 sitewide).

Any help would be appreciated since theg newsgroup was no help at all :p.

I'd hate to have to force clients to use mutt considering how much i like
Pine :p

--
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ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now
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What's sending those funky looking From: addresses? It looks like Outlook
Express but I've got to wonder what put those odd strings into it's addressbook.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederik Vervaet" <[email protected]>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:33 PM
Subject: Display problem.

> After having sent this to the comp.mail.pine newsgroup and having had 0
> replies I though I'd try this list.
>
> I have the following problem :
>
> http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine.png
> http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine2.png (i blanked out ips/emails)
>
> As you can see SOME mails will show up without subject/to stuff.
>
> I've tried pretty much every setting i can think of. This only started
> happening recently. (I think it started when i upgraded to 4.53 sitewide).
>
> Any help would be appreciated since theg newsgroup was no help at all :p.
>
> I'd hate to have to force clients to use mutt considering how much i like
> Pine :p
>
> --
> Frederik Vervaet <[email protected]>
>
> We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the
> ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now
> qualified to do anything with nothing.
>
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Bill Kearney wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frederik Vervaet" <[email protected]>
> To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:33 PM
> Subject: Display problem.
>
>
> > After having sent this to the comp.mail.pine newsgroup and having had 0
> > replies I though I'd try this list.
> >
> > I have the following problem :
> >
> > http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine.png
> > http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine2.png (i blanked out ips/emails)
> >
> > As you can see SOME mails will show up without subject/to stuff.
> >
> > I've tried pretty much every setting i can think of. This only started
> > happening recently. (I think it started when i upgraded to 4.53 sitewide).
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated since theg newsgroup was no help at all :p.
> >
> > I'd hate to have to force clients to use mutt considering how much i like
> > Pine :p
> >
>
> What's sending those funky looking From: addresses? It looks like Outlook
> Express but I've got to wonder what put those odd strings into it's addressbook.
>

You know I had a lot of those funky replies. I then changed my character
setting to the setting that was infront of those from replies. Most of
those from's then turned normal. However a number of them stayed. The
amount of "hidden" mails however stayed the same. So other than removing
the odd stuff from a few from headers the change of the character setting
didn't do much.

This is the current setting :

character-set = iso-8859-1

The problem i'm currently haven't isn't restricted to outlook express.

X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10)

I have the same problem with mails from a friend that's using this client.

I can post a screenshot of the headers if you want them.

PS : Mr Kearny : Sorry for the double post. I'm on a laptop atm and I
pressed the wrong key combo (damn keyboard is smaller :p)

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> You know I had a lot of those funky replies. I then changed my character
> setting to the setting that was infront of those from replies. Most of
> those from's then turned normal. However a number of them stayed. The
> amount of "hidden" mails however stayed the same. So other than removing
> the odd stuff from a few from headers the change of the character setting
> didn't do much.
>
> This is the current setting :
> character-set = iso-8859-1
> The problem i'm currently haven't isn't restricted to outlook express.
> X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10)
> I have the same problem with mails from a friend that's using this client.
> I can post a screenshot of the headers if you want them.
> PS : Mr Kearny : Sorry for the double post. I'm on a laptop atm and I
> pressed the wrong key combo (damn keyboard is smaller :p)

No problem.

Character encoding is a tricky process and few developers seem to understand it
properly. It's often made worse by a program assuming it's one form of encoding
while including another. As in, it claims to be UTF-8 but is really ISO-8859-1
or vice versa. I've had lots of trouble with this in XML applications because
of developer ignorance/naivete.

-Bill Kearney

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Frederik Vervaet wrote:

> After having sent this to the comp.mail.pine newsgroup and having had 0
> replies I though I'd try this list.
>
> I have the following problem :
>
> http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine.png
> http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine2.png (i blanked out ips/emails)
>
> As you can see SOME mails will show up without subject/to stuff.

We've seen this recently in cases where a Unicode terminal is being used.
This was first brought to our attention by people who had set up their
environments to be Unicode under Redhat 8.0. In the cases we saw, the
blank lines were lines that had some sort of non-ASCII character to be
displayed. One of the reasons for this problem is that Pine doesn't yet
support Unicode, but there does also seem to be some inconsitencies with
glibc and its use of sprintf. When tinkering around with this Unicode
mode under Redhat 7.3, I also observed that man and less had similar
problems.

As for a fix, you can remove the call to setlocale(LC_CTYPE, ""); on line
3747 in file pico/osdep/unix and rebuild. The problem will likely go
away, and there likely won't be any problems to spring up as a result of
changing that. setlocale() is a function that looks at various
environment variables to determine the locale, so changing those variables
(redhat changes them from some sort of system prerences setting) might
also fix things. The $LANG variable is the one that setlocale usually
depends on, and you can override specific behavior by setting other
variables (see the setlocale man page, for instance, you can override
LC_CTYPE behavior by setting an LC_CTYPE variable, and that would also
"fix" things without having to patch pine). My LANG variable is set to
en_US.iso885915, the setting I used to reproduce the problem was
en_GB.UTF-8.

Hopefully some of the information I've thrown at you is of use. You can
also check out the Redhat Bugzilla report of this bug at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70518. I'm not sure
if this problem is specific to Redhat distributions, but we are
considering adding Unicode support (no small undertaking) in pine, which
would permanently fix the problem.

Jeff

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Frederik Vervaet wrote:
>
> > After having sent this to the comp.mail.pine newsgroup and having had 0
> > replies I though I'd try this list.
> >
> > I have the following problem :
> >
> > http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine.png
> > http://frederik.datohosting.be/images/pine2.png (i blanked out ips/emails)
> >
> > As you can see SOME mails will show up without subject/to stuff.
>
> As for a fix, you can remove the call to setlocale(LC_CTYPE, ""); on line
> 3747 in file pico/osdep/unix and rebuild. The problem will likely go
> away, and there likely won't be any problems to spring up as a result of
> changing that. setlocale() is a function that looks at various
> environment variables to determine the locale, so changing those variables
> (redhat changes them from some sort of system prerences setting) might
> also fix things. The $LANG variable is the one that setlocale usually
> depends on, and you can override specific behavior by setting other
> variables (see the setlocale man page, for instance, you can override
> LC_CTYPE behavior by setting an LC_CTYPE variable, and that would also
> "fix" things without having to patch pine). My LANG variable is set to
> en_US.iso885915, the setting I used to reproduce the problem was
> en_GB.UTF-8.

Thanks. I fixed it by changing the LANG variable to your setting.
Will change the systemwide setting lateron :p
Thanks guys for this fix. Would it be possible to add this to the PINE faq
on the site ? Considering many redhat systems have this bug I imagine a
lot of users might be affected by it.

> Hopefully some of the information I've thrown at you is of use. You can
> also check out the Redhat Bugzilla report of this bug at
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70518. I'm not sure
> if this problem is specific to Redhat distributions, but we are
> considering adding Unicode support (no small undertaking) in pine, which
> would permanently fix the problem.

I hope you do. Sofar this problem has been the only negative point I've
found in pine.

> Jeff
>

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Jeff Franklin wrote:

> I'm not sure if this problem is specific to Redhat distributions, but
> we are considering adding Unicode support (no small undertaking) in
> pine, which would permanently fix the problem.

I can't find no words for how much this would fill me with joy. At
__least__ being able to read emails from my czech and swiss contacts in
one session. Phew, would that be ****nice**** ...
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Hi all -

Is there any way to strip attachments when the message is being written
to my sent-mail folder?

I use Pine on a UNIX system, connecting to a different IMAP system. I
obviously want the attachment to go out on the SMTP message to my
recipient, but I don't want to have to send a copy via IMAP to my
sent-mail folder. First off, it wastes time waiting for it get there, and
second, it just wastes disk space...

I already have the attachment, so I really just want a record of when I
sent the message, what text was in the message, and possibly what
attachments were there, but *not* the actual attachments.

As it is right now, I'm going into my sent-mail after sending large
e-mails, going into the attachment view, deleting the attachment and
re-saving to the same folder. That's tedious...

To be honest, I doubt this is possible to do automatically (without
patching), and I couldn't see any obvious way to do it, but it sure would
be nice.

Thanks!

Jeff Baxter
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George Washington University

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Jeff Baxter wrote:

>
> Hi all -
>
> Is there any way to strip attachments when the message is being written
> to my sent-mail folder?
>
> I use Pine on a UNIX system, connecting to a different IMAP system. I
> obviously want the attachment to go out on the SMTP message to my
> recipient, but I don't want to have to send a copy via IMAP to my
> sent-mail folder. First off, it wastes time waiting for it get there, and
> second, it just wastes disk space...
>
> I already have the attachment, so I really just want a record of when I
> sent the message, what text was in the message, and possibly what
> attachments were there, but *not* the actual attachments.
>
> As it is right now, I'm going into my sent-mail after sending large
> e-mails, going into the attachment view, deleting the attachment and
> re-saving to the same folder. That's tedious...
>
> To be honest, I doubt this is possible to do automatically (without
> patching), and I couldn't see any obvious way to do it, but it sure would
> be nice.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff Baxter
> Information Systems and Services
> George Washington University

Afaik the message gets FCC'ed to your send mail folder.
One of the Features in the config screen is

[EXTRACT FROM HELP]

FEATURE: fcc-without-attachments

This features controls the way FCC's (File Carbon Copies) are made of the
messages you send.

Normally, Pine saves an exact copy of your message as it was sent. When
this feature is enabled, the "body" of the message you send (the text you
type in the composer) is preserved in the copy as before, however all
attachments are replaced with text explaining what had been sent rather
than the attachments themselves.

[/EXTRACT FROM HELP]

Unless I misunderstood this does exactly what you wanted ?

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I feel like a complete idiot. Thanks so much for pointing that out, my
eyes must have just skipped right over it.

Every time I think I've found something that Pine doesn't do, I'm proven
wrong... hehehe...

Thanks!

Jeff Baxter
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Frederik Vervaet wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Jeff Baxter wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Is there any way to strip attachments when the message is being written
> > to my sent-mail folder?
> >
> > I use Pine on a UNIX system, connecting to a different IMAP system. I
> > obviously want the attachment to go out on the SMTP message to my
> > recipient, but I don't want to have to send a copy via IMAP to my
> > sent-mail folder. First off, it wastes time waiting for it get there, and
> > second, it just wastes disk space...
> >
> > I already have the attachment, so I really just want a record of when I
> > sent the message, what text was in the message, and possibly what
> > attachments were there, but *not* the actual attachments.
> >
> > As it is right now, I'm going into my sent-mail after sending large
> > e-mails, going into the attachment view, deleting the attachment and
> > re-saving to the same folder. That's tedious...
> >
> > To be honest, I doubt this is possible to do automatically (without
> > patching), and I couldn't see any obvious way to do it, but it sure would
> > be nice.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Jeff Baxter
> > Information Systems and Services
> > George Washington University
>
> Afaik the message gets FCC'ed to your send mail folder.
> One of the Features in the config screen is
>
> [EXTRACT FROM HELP]
>
> FEATURE: fcc-without-attachments
>
> This features controls the way FCC's (File Carbon Copies) are made of the
> messages you send.
>
> Normally, Pine saves an exact copy of your message as it was sent. When
> this feature is enabled, the "body" of the message you send (the text you
> type in the composer) is preserved in the copy as before, however all
> attachments are replaced with text explaining what had been sent rather
> than the attachments themselves.
>
> [/EXTRACT FROM HELP]
>
> Unless I misunderstood this does exactly what you wanted ?
>
> --
> Frederik Vervaet <[email protected]>
> -The Lean Mean Mailing Machine
>
> We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the
> ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now
> qualified to do anything with nothing.
>
>

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Jeff Baxter wrote:

>
> I feel like a complete idiot. Thanks so much for pointing that out, my
> eyes must have just skipped right over it.
>
> Every time I think I've found something that Pine doesn't do, I'm proven
> wrong... hehehe...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff Baxter
> Information Systems and Services
> George Washington University
>

I know the feeling :p

Can't count the times the fix was right in front of me but I was just too
tired/annoyed/bored to notice it :p

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Hello Family,

I been using Unix boxes with my login name of "bill" and the Pine From:
address would show my email as being sent from "[email protected]"

Now I'm on a machine that has the user account of "wiliweld" and the
From: field will state "[email protected]" unless I catch it in
time.

It's led to numerous bounces on mailing lists where I'm recognized as
"[email protected]"

I have a feeling this is a no-brainer but I can't see the immediate fix
hence my question.

Thanks.

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Yes, it is a bug. If you use pine from sources, here is a patch. It will
be in the next version of pine. Thanks to Oliver and Nancy for the precise
descriptions of the problem.

Steve Hubert

There is a missing left paren in the first different line and a missing
right paren in the second line.

*** imap.c.old Thu Feb 13 14:58:25 2003
--- imap.c.new Thu Feb 13 14:59:13 2003
***************
*** 866,891 ****
return;
}
#endif

/*
* If no explicit user name supplied and we've not logged in
* with our local user name, see if we've visited this
* host before as someone else.
*/
if(!*mb->user &&
! (last = imap_get_user(mm_login_list, hostlist))
#ifdef PASSFILE
||
(last = get_passfile_user(ps_global->pinerc, hostlist))
#endif
! ){
strncpy(user, last, NETMAXUSER);
dprint(9, (debugfile, "mm_login: found user=%s\n", user));

/* try last working password associated with this host/user. */
if(imap_get_passwd(mm_login_list, pwd, user, hostlist,
(mb->sslflag||mb->tlsflag))){
dprint(9, (debugfile, "mm_login: found a password for user=%s to try\n", user));
return;
}

--- 866,891 ----
return;
}
#endif

/*
* If no explicit user name supplied and we've not logged in
* with our local user name, see if we've visited this
* host before as someone else.
*/
if(!*mb->user &&
! ((last = imap_get_user(mm_login_list, hostlist))
#ifdef PASSFILE
||
(last = get_passfile_user(ps_global->pinerc, hostlist))
#endif
! )){
strncpy(user, last, NETMAXUSER);
dprint(9, (debugfile, "mm_login: found user=%s\n", user));

/* try last working password associated with this host/user. */
if(imap_get_passwd(mm_login_list, pwd, user, hostlist,
(mb->sslflag||mb->tlsflag))){
dprint(9, (debugfile, "mm_login: found a password for user=%s to try\n", user));
return;
}

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Hi, Folks,
How difficult would it be to implement a feature which would quell the
display of text beginning with > signs when reading messages?
Since I have a good memory, I hardly have need to see a quote.
And quotes vary in length from a line to several screens, depending on the
quoter.
Using speech and Braille, I can honestly say that it drives me crazy, but
it seems that most people's preference is to quote liberally and often.
Often it takes much longer to find the new text than it does to read it.
Since most people put new text at the bottom, instead of the top with the
quoted text below for reference, it's a losing battle.
Would a feature to quell display of quoted text be doable?
Thanks for reading and considering this.
--Rick

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Hello,

How can I disable the line wrapping in pine? If it's possible :)
If it's not, is it possible to increase max composer-wrap-column?
(by default it's 80)

Thanks,

Grigory Klyuchnikov, System Engineer,
Institute for System Programming
Russian Academy of Sciences

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Grigory Klyuchnikov wrote:

> Hello,
>
> How can I disable the line wrapping in pine? If it's possible :)
> If it's not, is it possible to increase max composer-wrap-column?
> (by default it's 80)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Grigory Klyuchnikov, System Engineer,
> Institute for System Programming
> Russian Academy of Sciences
>

Grep is your friend.

Find and open os.h (can be found in your pine source dir :
~/pine4.53/pine/os.h or relative to whatever location you put the source.
Then look for the following :

/*----------------------------------------------------------------------
Default fill column for pine composer and maximum fill column. The max
is used to stop people from setting their custom fill column higher than
that number. Note that DF_FILLCOL is a string but MAX_FILLCOL is an
integer.
----*/
#define DF_FILLCOL "74"
#define MAX_FILLCOL 80

Pretty obvious I'd say. Just change the 80 to whatever you'd like the MAX
to be and you can then change it from within pine. (After you recompiled
ofcourse :p)

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Grigory Klyuchnikov wrote:

> How can I disable the line wrapping in pine?

pico -w

> is it possible to increase max composer-wrap-column?

pico -rN (where N is the column number)

For further options, pico -h

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*** Grigory Klyuchnikov ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) How can I disable the line wrapping in pine? If it's possible :) If
:) it's not, is it possible to increase max composer-wrap-column? (by
:) default it's 80)

Hello Grigory,

Alan Iwi wrote a patch for setting on/off wrapping while composing a
message in Pine (in its default editor Pico). He was very kind to submit
the patch to my site and it can be obtained from there. Take a look at
here:

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/#Wrap

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On Feb 13, 2003, 14:42 (-0800) Bill Schoolcraft <[email protected]> wrote:

> I been using Unix boxes with my login name of "bill" and the Pine From:
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Add "From: [email protected]" to customized-hdrs.

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Daniel Albuschat wrote:

> So, my first question is, does anybody know, how I
> can set up either gpg or pine to attach the signature?
[...]
> Does anybody know a solution for _clean_ gpg signing
> and encrypting?

ppf, pine-pgp-filters written by Doug Barton.

http://dougbarton.net/FreeBSD/Downloads/

===== Features

In addition to the standard functions of encrypt/decrypt and
sign/verify, I've also added a pseudo-filter to verify messages
that were sent using MIME encoding to attach the signature. See
INSTALL for how to use it. It's not possible for a sending filter
to create these kinds of MIME messages, since Pine does not give
the user the ability to twiddle attachments.

|^W

tbaur@arbor~/pine-pgp-filters-1.0: tail INSTALL
Pipe RAW message 1 to : ppf_mime
^G Help ^W Shown Text ^R With Delimiter
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While this procedure is a little cumbersome the first time through, the
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Overall, I'm pretty content with ppf. Quick clean code.

-tbaur

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Hi,

I was just using pine and it cored on me while I was idle in the Index
view. I thought the list might like to know.

Here's the output:

Problem detected: "Bad msgno 159 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 156".
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I've put the core file up for anyone interested:
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Also, this is pine 4.50 running on openbsd 3.2. I'm also using the maildir
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I've just upgraded pine to 4.53 (on FreeBSD, using ports) and have been
reminded of a problem that required some investigation last time I
installed pine. I don't really understand why this problem *still*
arises.

When installed, pine complains on startup thus:

Folder vulnerable - directory /var/mail must have 1777 protection

This is telling me that my mail folder should be wide open. I understand
that this is because pine wishes to place a lock file in this directory.
Leaving this folder wide open does not seem a good idea, and after some
investigation I came up with the following approach:

# chmod +t /var/mail
# chown :mail /usr/local/bin/pine
# chown g+s /usr/local/bin/pine

The mail user only seems to own the mail folder, so it seems to make a lot
of sense to give pine exclusive write access to this folder.

Can anyone comment on:
1. What's wrong with this approach;
2. If there's nothing wrong with it, why isn't it done?
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Dear All,

How can I move email(s) from a folder?

thx

thx
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Hello Eduardo,

it's working now and it's what I want.

Many thanks.

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Grigory Klyuchnikov ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) How can I disable the line wrapping in pine? If it's possible :) If
> :) it's not, is it possible to increase max composer-wrap-column? (by
> :) default it's 80)
>
> Hello Grigory,
>
> Alan Iwi wrote a patch for setting on/off wrapping while composing a
> message in Pine (in its default editor Pico). He was very kind to submit
> the patch to my site and it can be obtained from there. Take a look at
> here:
>
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/#Wrap
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>

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First of all, it'll save time if you enable aggregate commands in the
configuration.
>From the main menu: s for setup, c for config.
w to search, type in aggregate and hit enter.
Check the box. E to exit, and y to commit the changes.
Now, in the folder with the messages you'd like to move, you can do it in
a number of ways.
If you're moving all of the messages, just do this:
; a a s

If you're moving only some messages but not all, you can do this:
; for aggregate command
n for numbered messages
6-11, 15, 17
(would act upon messages 6 through 11, 15 and 17)
a to apply
s to save
You'll be prompted for the folder name in both instances.
Type in the name, and it's done.
--Rick

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If I read my mail with pine and then go and download my mail with POP I
get a message that says "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL
DATA" Is there any way to stop pine from putting that message in the
mail file?

Kevin

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Kevin Hoffer wrote:

>
>If I read my mail with pine and then go and download my mail with POP I
>get a message that says "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL
>DATA" Is there any way to stop pine from putting that message in the
>mail file?

Says pine's help:

FEATURE: quell-folder-internal-msg

This feature determines whether or not Pine will create "pseudo
messages" in folders that are in standard Unix or MMDF format.

Pine will normally create these pseudo messages when they are not
already present in a standard Unix or MMDF folder. Their purpose is to
record certain mailbox state data needed for correct IMAP and POP
server operation, and also for Pine to be able to mark messages as
Answered when the Reply has been postponed.

Sites which do not use IMAP/POP for remote mail access, and which need
to support mail tools that are adversely affected by the presence of
the pseudo-messages (e.g. some mail notification tools) may enable
this feature to tell Pine not to create them. Note that Pine's
"Answered" flag capability will be adversely affected if this is done.

Note too that, even if this feature is enabled, Pine will not remove
pseudo-messages when it encounters them (e.g. those created by UW's
imapd or ipopd servers.) This feature has no effect on folders that
are not in standard Unix or MMDF format, as pseudo-messages are not
needed in the other formats to record mailbox state information.

- --
Jim Wise
[email protected]
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On Feb 17, 2003, 08:47 (-0000) Michael Abbott <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've just upgraded pine to 4.53 (on FreeBSD, using ports) and have been
> reminded of a problem that required some investigation last time I
> installed pine. I don't really understand why this problem *still*
> arises.
>
> When installed, pine complains on startup thus:
>
> Folder vulnerable - directory /var/mail must have 1777 protection
>
> This is telling me that my mail folder should be wide open. I understand
> that this is because pine wishes to place a lock file in this directory.

Well, it is not wide open. You have the sticy bit set, just like with
/tmp.

If I am correct you must set 1777 protection only if lock files is the
only availble locking method. As far as I understand most UNIX flavors,
like FreeBSD, have other locking methods that don't requir locking with
files, and then it is not needed.

> Leaving this folder wide open does not seem a good idea, and after some
> investigation I came up with the following approach:
>
> # chmod +t /var/mail
> # chown :mail /usr/local/bin/pine
> # chown g+s /usr/local/bin/pine

(I guess you mean "chmod g+s".)

> The mail user only seems to own the mail folder, so it seems to make a lot
> of sense to give pine exclusive write access to this folder.
>
> Can anyone comment on:
> 1. What's wrong with this approach;
> 2. If there's nothing wrong with it, why isn't it done?

As far as I can see you open up a huge sucurity hole with your approach.
You say that pine should be run as group mail for any user running pine.
That means that any user can read any other user's spool file.

Both setuid and setgid should be avoided, and it should defintely not be
added to program not designed to be setuid/setgid.

Mats

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> Well, it is not wide open. You have the sticky bit set, just like with
> /tmp.
True. But it seems more open than it should be. In particular, this
means that anyone can use /var/mail as a temporary working folder! This
doesn't seem right...

> If I am correct you must set 1777 protection only if lock files is the
> only availble locking method. As far as I understand most UNIX flavors,
> like FreeBSD, have other locking methods that don't requir locking with
> files, and then it is not needed.
This kind of makes sense, but then why does pine complain like it does?
If pine doesn't need 1777 access to /var/mail, it shouldn't ask for it!
If it does, then something feels wrong.

> > # chown g+s /usr/local/bin/pine
> (I guess you mean "chmod g+s".)
Sorry; quite right!

> As far as I can see you open up a huge sucurity hole with your approach.
> You say that pine should be run as group mail for any user running pine.
> That means that any user can read any other user's spool file.

Oooooops. >checks<

No, I think it's ok. The *only* file/directory in the entire system that
is owned by mail is /var/mail (and now pine). In particular, this means
that pine can't read the files *in* this directory without already owning
them (by being the right user).

>phew Both setuid and setgid should be avoided, and it should defintely not be
> added to program not designed to be setuid/setgid.

Well, I take your point, and your suggestion that I'd opened a hole made
me worry.

However, I think it's quite safe. All the mail group does is give pine
access to the mail group, ie the ability to write to /var/mail. To be
honest, this looks to me like quite a *sensible* application of setgid,
and I can't see a way to misuse it.

Unless I'm missing something?

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On Feb 17, 2003, 22:10 (-0000) Michael Abbott <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Well, it is not wide open. You have the sticky bit set, just like with
> > /tmp.
> True. But it seems more open than it should be. In particular, this
> means that anyone can use /var/mail as a temporary working folder! This
> doesn't seem right...

I agree with you.

> > If I am correct you must set 1777 protection only if lock files is the
> > only availble locking method. As far as I understand most UNIX flavors,
> > like FreeBSD, have other locking methods that don't requir locking with
> > files, and then it is not needed.
> This kind of makes sense, but then why does pine complain like it does?
> If pine doesn't need 1777 access to /var/mail, it shouldn't ask for it!
> If it does, then something feels wrong.

I think they do it to be on the safe side... I know that they (UW) have
information on their web site.

> No, I think it's ok. The *only* file/directory in the entire system that
> is owned by mail is /var/mail (and now pine). In particular, this means
> that pine can't read the files *in* this directory without already owning
> them (by being the right user).
>
> >phew
> # find / -group mail
> /usr/local/bin/pine
> /var/mail
> #

I thought that the spool files were group writeable, but they are not on
my system either. (But I remember having seen that.)

But new files created by pine will be owned by group mail, and if they are
group writable you have opened a hole.

> However, I think it's quite safe. All the mail group does is give pine
> access to the mail group, ie the ability to write to /var/mail. To be
> honest, this looks to me like quite a *sensible* application of setgid,
> and I can't see a way to misuse it.

I agree that my warning was maybe to harsh, but I still would not add
setgid to an application not designed to be setgid.

Could anyone from UW make a statement on the need of world writable spool
directory?

Mats

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:

>> Well, it is not wide open. You have the sticky bit set, just like with
>> /tmp.
>True. But it seems more open than it should be. In particular, this
>means that anyone can use /var/mail as a temporary working folder! This
>doesn't seem right...
>
>> If I am correct you must set 1777 protection only if lock files is the
>> only availble locking method. As far as I understand most UNIX flavors,
>> like FreeBSD, have other locking methods that don't requir locking with
>> files, and then it is not needed.
>This kind of makes sense, but then why does pine complain like it does?
>If pine doesn't need 1777 access to /var/mail, it shouldn't ask for it!
>If it does, then something feels wrong.

It doesn't. In Red Hat Linux, our mail spool directory is mode
0775 and owned by root, group "mail". User's mail spool files
are owned by the user, group "mail".

This setup is what all of the mail applications we ship use, or
are modified to use if they don't use it by default. It works
well in Linux systems.

>However, I think it's quite safe. All the mail group does is give pine
>access to the mail group, ie the ability to write to /var/mail. To be
>honest, this looks to me like quite a *sensible* application of setgid,
>and I can't see a way to misuse it.
>
>Unless I'm missing something?

Making pine SUID is a rather large security hole. I'd put $10000
bet that Al Viro locked in a room with pine could find a shell to
root vuln in less than an hour if it were SUID root. Then again,
he could find similar holes in hello-world.c so.....

<grin>

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On Feb 17, 2003, 18:03 (-0500) Mike A. Harris <[email protected]> wrote:

> >If pine doesn't need 1777 access to /var/mail, it shouldn't ask for it!
> >If it does, then something feels wrong.
>
> It doesn't. In Red Hat Linux, our mail spool directory is mode
> 0775 and owned by root, group "mail". User's mail spool files
> are owned by the user, group "mail".
>
> This setup is what all of the mail applications we ship use, or
> are modified to use if they don't use it by default. It works
> well in Linux systems.

And you have verified that locking is working correctly with pine?

> Making pine SUID is a rather large security hole. I'd put $10000
> bet that Al Viro locked in a room with pine could find a shell to
> root vuln in less than an hour if it were SUID root. Then again,
> he could find similar holes in hello-world.c so.....

Well, in this case it was SGID mail rather than SUID root. But still I
would hesitate. UW has choosen not to do it SGID.

Mats

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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

>> >If pine doesn't need 1777 access to /var/mail, it shouldn't ask for it!
>> >If it does, then something feels wrong.
>>
>> It doesn't. In Red Hat Linux, our mail spool directory is mode
>> 0775 and owned by root, group "mail". User's mail spool files
>> are owned by the user, group "mail".
>>
>> This setup is what all of the mail applications we ship use, or
>> are modified to use if they don't use it by default. It works
>> well in Linux systems.
>
>And you have verified that locking is working correctly with pine?

Well, we've been shipping like this for years, and yes it does
work, although our pine is patched. Open 2 pine sessions at once
and you're told the mailbox is in use by another pine session.

>> Making pine SUID is a rather large security hole. I'd put $10000
>> bet that Al Viro locked in a room with pine could find a shell to
>> root vuln in less than an hour if it were SUID root. Then again,
>> he could find similar holes in hello-world.c so.....
>
>Well, in this case it was SGID mail rather than SUID root. But still I
>would hesitate. UW has choosen not to do it SGID.

I wouldn't SUID or SGID any software of sufficient complexity of
something like pine. It's just too large of a security risk and
is non-essential. There are other ways to accomplish locking
safely and securely, at least on Linux systems.

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On Feb 17, 2003, 18:18 (-0500) Mike A. Harris <[email protected]> wrote:

> >And you have verified that locking is working correctly with pine?
>
> Well, we've been shipping like this for years, and yes it does
> work, although our pine is patched. Open 2 pine sessions at once
> and you're told the mailbox is in use by another pine session.

Yes, that should be a sufficient test, and I knew that I came to the same
conclusion but you reminded me how. The same thing is true on FreeBSD.

The conclusion is, don't make the spool directory sticky and turn pines
warnings off. BUT test locking by opening two pine sessions against the
same spool file.

> I wouldn't SUID or SGID any software of sufficient complexity of
> something like pine. It's just too large of a security risk and
> is non-essential. There are other ways to accomplish locking
> safely and securely, at least on Linux systems.

And that's a good conclusion. -- Maybe there is a Unix where locking must
be done with files, but raise a warning on them instead.

Mats

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> > I wouldn't SUID or SGID any software of sufficient complexity of
> > something like pine. It's just too large of a security risk and
> > is non-essential. There are other ways to accomplish locking
> > safely and securely, at least on Linux systems.
>
> And that's a good conclusion. -- Maybe there is a Unix where locking must
> be done with files, but raise a warning on them instead.

There seems to be an assumption here that SGID is automatically bad. I'm
not convinced.

In particular, in this particular case, I cannot think of any security
risks. Obviously this may just be a failure of imagination, but I think
this is worth investigating further.

I think there are two issues here:

1. Does pine *really* need write access to /var/mail in order to implement
its locking on FreeBSD? If not, is this a problem with pine or with the
FreeBSD port?

2. Is there *really* any security issue in my proposed solution? So far a
number of interesting hazards have been mentioned, but none of them
mentioned so far actually apply in this case (for example, the files
created by pine are *not* owned by group mail: recall my `find / -group
mail` search).

My impression is a slight confusion between the deadly hazards of SUID
root and the obscure hazards(?) of SGID mail.

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Greetings -

--On Monday, February 17, 2003 2:22 pm -0500 Kevin Hoffer
<[email protected]> wrote:

> If I read my mail with pine and then go and download my mail with POP I
> get a message that says "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL
> DATA" Is there any way to stop pine from putting that message in the
> mail file?
>
> Kevin

--On Monday, February 17, 2003 2:27 pm -0500 Jim Wise <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Says pine's help:
>
> FEATURE: quell-folder-internal-msg
>
> This feature determines whether or not Pine will create "pseudo
> messages" in folders that are in standard Unix or MMDF format.
>
> Pine will normally create these pseudo messages when they are not
> already present in a standard Unix or MMDF folder. Their purpose is to
> record certain mailbox state data needed for correct IMAP and POP
> server operation, and also for Pine to be able to mark messages as
> Answered when the Reply has been postponed.
>
> Sites which do not use IMAP/POP for remote mail access, and which need
> to support mail tools that are adversely affected by the presence of
> the pseudo-messages (e.g. some mail notification tools) may enable
> this feature to tell Pine not to create them. Note that Pine's
> "Answered" flag capability will be adversely affected if this is done.
>
> Note too that, even if this feature is enabled, Pine will not remove
> pseudo-messages when it encounters them (e.g. those created by UW's
> imapd or ipopd servers.) This feature has no effect on folders that
> are not in standard Unix or MMDF format, as pseudo-messages are not
> needed in the other formats to record mailbox state information.

I think Jim's answer is correct as far as it goes...

However careful reading of the third and fourth paragraphs of the above
help text shows that this setting in Pine only affects folders saved
directly by Pine itself to disk, and then only if they do not already
create a pseudo message. If you are using Pine with IMAP rather than
direct-to-disk access, or use the UW IMAP daemon at all, then this setting
is insufficient.

The UW IMAP daemon itself creates and maintains the pseudo message (in
order to maintain some important state information for the mail folder).
So if you use _any_ mail client to open your folder using IMAP then I
suspect you will find it creates the pseudo message again. (Actually I
think it is the C-Client library that both Pine and the UW IMAP daemon use
to manipulate mailboxes, hence why it affects both packages.)

I believe this is the full solution (somebody please correct me if I'm
wrong!):

1. If you are using Pine to access your mail folders directly from disk
(rather than over IMAP)...
...Set the "quell-folder-internal-msg" in Pine's configuration settings
to prevent this.

AND

2. If you are using the UW IMAP daemon to access your mail folders...
...this, too, will create the pseudo message. Therefore you need to
use a POP server that is 'understand' the pseudo message and hides it
from your client's view.

Such a server is bundled in with the IMAP and Pine dirstributions and
called "ipop2d" and "ipop3d" (for POP2 and POP3 support respectively).
If you switch to using this server instead of whichever POP server
software you are currently using you should be OK.

Cheers,

Mike B-)

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On the pine system here, attachments get printed along with the messages,
if pine thinks the attached files are text. Unfortunately they're often
huge LaTeX files, data logs etc. I've looked for control of this feature
in the setup options and can't find anything.

Is there a way of persuading pine not to print attachments?

Patrick Wallace
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Is there any way to make pine search "backwards," instead of for the
next match of a search string? I could to message 1 or select all
messages, but this isn't practicle for folders with a lot of messages or
matches.

TIA,
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Apparently I forgot how to spell today, sorry for the terrible grammar, it
should have been semi-clear what I meant, but I edited the original post
(below) in case not.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Mark T. Valites wrote:

> Is there any way to make pine search "backwards," instead of for the
"backwards",

> next match of a search string? I could to message 1 or select all
^
|
jump

> messages, but this isn't practicle for folders with a lot of messages or
> matches.

> -Merk
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Hello everybody,

Maybe you are aware of this:

I have experienced the following
"strange" behavior (PC Pine 4.53).

I created an folder "xy" in the Incoming-Folders, then created a simple
filter rule which moves messages from a certain person to this folder ->
this works ok, but:

I renamed the folder "xy" to "ab" and looked at the Filter rule
whether it updated the referenced folder name from "xy" to "ab" - it did
not!

However, the rule still works, the corresponding messages are moved to the
renamed folder as before, despite of the confusing data in the Filter
definition.

Moreover, when I tried to specify the correct name of the folder in the
Filter rule definition (by ^T for example), the pine refused to update the
value to the correct name "ab" (there was still "xy").

What do you think?

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Miroslav Hornik wrote:
>I renamed the folder "xy" to "ab" and looked at the Filter rule
>whether it updated the referenced folder name from "xy" to "ab" - it did
>not!
>
>However, the rule still works, the corresponding messages are moved to the
>renamed folder as before, despite of the confusing data in the Filter
>definition.
>
>Moreover, when I tried to specify the correct name of the folder in the
>Filter rule definition (by ^T for example), the pine refused to update the
>value to the correct name "ab" (there was still "xy").
>
>What do you think?

Sounds like a bug that it won't let you update the name, but
(wild guess time -- aka possible foot in mouth time) I'm guessing that
the mail server actually has some kind of ID/number assigned to each
folder, and the name is just a human-accessible thing.

So presumably pine is actually using the number, which didn't change,
so it still works.

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I'm using pine 4.44 on Red Hat Linux 7.3 and since last week anytime I try
to do anything - except reading messages from INBOX - the program hangs,
that is to say, it takes forever (about 10 minutes) to write/move files to
other folders and even to open them. I've tried to inquire my support
staff but they are clueless.

Can anyone help me?

Thanks,
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I just upgraded from pine 4.44 to 4.53 on debian, and everything in my
config file carried over okay with one exception- whenever I compose an
email, the "From" line appears at the top fo the screen. Is this
standard behaviour for 4.53?

This may be a coincidence, but it struck me as particularly odd because
I was playing around with Roles/Rules recently (from advice on this
list) in order to deal with my username being different than the
username in my email address. But on my new pine installation, my
username >is< the same as my email username, so I never set up that
role/rule. The config file from the role/rule installation is not the
same one I'm using now, so I have no idea why I'd be seeing this now...

Looking at pine's Setup/config, I honestly can't see anything that would
show the From line every time... any advice?

thanks
Todd

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Normally the string [re:} and (fwd)
are added to the subject lines.
Is it possible to have a unique entry
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I have an ISP-level system that hosts multiple domains for email,
filesharing, and personal websites.

In order to support multiple domains, the local usernames on this
system are complete email addresses (which are stored in LDAP, which are
found with PAM using nss-ldap, not that it matters). For example, here is
an ssh sesssion for the local user [email protected]:

login as: [email protected]
Sent username "[email protected]"
[email protected]@intranet.realloc.net's password:
[[email protected] at intranet:../[email protected]]$ touch afile.txt
[[email protected] at intranet:../[email protected]]$ ls -la afile.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 [email protected] [email protected] 0 Feb 27 13:32 afile.txt
[[email protected] at intranet:../[email protected]]$

This server offers up email via IMAP. So I have configured
/etc/pine.conf with the following:

inbox-path={intranet.realloc.net/ssl/novalidate-cert}INBOX
(and similar entries for fcc, etc.)

My problem is that Pine is Fubaring the From: address. I am
unable to get a valid "From:" address to appear in emails that come from
Pine. (Mozilla, Outlook, webmail, etc. work fine.) In my opinion, it is
not behaving according to the documentation. First, note that I have this
entry in my /etc/hosts:

63.251.164.134 intranet intranet.realloc.net

Here is a summary of what I have tried, along with the broken
results.
------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=
use-only-domain-name=

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@intranet.realloc.net>

Note: This seems to be expected behaviour.
------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=
use-only-domain-name=yes

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@realloc.net>

Note: Why did it add "realloc.net" when use-only-domain-name has been
set? I think this is a bug.
------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=""
use-only-domain-name=

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@intranet.realloc.net>

Note: The appended domain "intranet.realloc.net" is not equal to the empty
string specified in my user-domain setting. I think this is a bug.
------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=""
use-only-domain-name=yes

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@realloc.net>

Note: First, I have specified a user-domain setting (albeit of empty
string), so the use-only-domain-name setting should not even be considered
at all. And yet changing it to "yes" from the last test changes the
resulting behaviour. And the resulting behaviour does in fact add a
domain anyway. I think this is a bug.
------------------------------------

I have also tried all four combinations of empty user-domain and
"yes" for use-only-domain-name in the user's personal .pinerc, with the
same results.

Finally, here's an interesting tidbit:

If I change this line in /etc/hosts:

63.251.164.134 intranet intranet.realloc.net

to read this:

63.251.164.134 intranet

...then I get some funky behaviour:

------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=
use-only-domain-name=

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@realloc.net>
------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=""
use-only-domain-name=

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@realloc.net>
------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=
use-only-domain-name=yes

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@net>

Note: Error Message upon launch: "Incomplete mail domain .net"
------------------------------------
/etc/pine.conf:
user-domain=""
use-only-domain-name=yes

Broken result:
From: Test Account <"\"[email protected]\""@net>

Note: Error Message upon launch: "Incomplete mail domain .net"
------------------------------------

Where is it getting "net" for the domain?

Besides the contrary-to-documentation domain behaviour, there is
also the problem that Pine demands on putting quotes around the local
part, presumably because of the '@' character. I know that my system is
not the only IMAP-based setup that uses the email address as the login
name, so I think this needs to be fixed.

Hopefully I have misunderstood the Pine docs, and somebody can
recommend a config that will work for my users. But if not, then some
options would be:

1. New setting called "from-address", which lets the user specify whatever
they want in the From: field. Example:

from-address="Test Account <[email protected]>"

2. New setting called "user-local-part", which is a complement to the
"user-domain". Example:

user-domain="realloc.net"
user-local-part="test"

3. Change the existing behaviour to:

(a) Honour an empty "user-domain" setting, like it's supposed to
(b) Not add a domain when "use-only-domain-name=yes"
(c) Not quote the local part when "use-only-domain-name=yes"

I am happy to give core Pine developers temporary access to my
system for the purposes of troubleshooting. Please email me privately if
that is necessary.

This is on a Mandrake 9.0-based system running this Mandrake RPM
pine-4.50-1.1mdk. I know that's not the latest but the Changelog on the
website didn't show any domain-related changes, so I have not upgraded.

So, in summary:

1. Can anyone recommend a setting to try?
2. If not, will any of the above fixes be considered for a future Pine
release?

(Pine is my favorite email program, and yet I cannot offer it to
my customers because of this issue.)

Thank You,
Derek Simkowiak
[email protected]

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> My problem is that Pine is Fubaring the From: address.

I just found this page:

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/

...which gave me some new options. For the time being, I can
instruct customers to add their own "From:" using customized-hdrs option.

Also note that my proposed "user-local-part" seems to be the exact
same thing as "user-id" in PC-Pine. Why not just add "user-id" to the
Unix version?

--Derek

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On 27 Feb 2003 Derek Simkowiak ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> My problem is that Pine is Fubaring the From: address.
>
> [...]
>
>
> Hopefully I have misunderstood the Pine docs, and somebody can
> recommend a config that will work for my users. But if not, then some
> options would be:
>
> 1. New setting called "from-address", which lets the user specify whatever
> they want in the From: field. Example:
>
> from-address="Test Account <[email protected]>"
>
> 2. New setting called "user-local-part", which is a complement to the
> "user-domain". Example:
>
> user-domain="realloc.net"
> user-local-part="test"
>
> 3. Change the existing behaviour to:
>
> [...]

My vote is for your option #2 and it seems like it should be
easy to implement because there already exists a user-id variable
in PC-Pine. This has been discussed over and over again for years
and my #1 Pine wish is for this to be fixed. For lots more about
the issue, including workarounds, see this:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishFrom>

Good luck,
Nancy

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Dear Readers,

After having to change to Windows (from Linux) I want to keep Pine as
Mailreader as I
love it. Now I face the question how to enable Pine to read the Mails from
my local POP3-Server (www.janaserver.de), that works fine with all other
POP3-Clients and that picks my Internet-Mail from my ISProvider.

I was looking for an answer in the archieves, but I could only access the
last 100 days...

best regards,

Sven Birster

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*** Derek Simkowiak ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Feb...:

:) > My problem is that Pine is Fubaring the From: address.
:)
:) I just found this page:
:)
:) http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/
:)
:) ...which gave me some new options. For the time being, I can
:) instruct customers to add their own "From:" using customized-hdrs
:) option.

Hello Derek,

You can add a customized header like

customized-hdrs = From: <$LOGNAME>

to /etc/pine.conf. If you can get their personal name into an enviroment
variable then you can construct a better from field.

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Sven Birster wrote:

> Now I face the question how to enable Pine to read the Mails from
> my local POP3-Server (www.janaserver.de),

FAQ.

http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/read.html#pop3

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Sven Birster wrote:
>
> > Now I face the question how to enable Pine to read the Mails from
> > my local POP3-Server (www.janaserver.de),
>
> FAQ.
>
> http://www.zrox.net/Mail/Pine/read.html#pop3

pinerc:

inbox-path={my.pop2.server/user=MyLogin/pop3}INBOX

Thanks,

Sven

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> You can add a customized header like
>
> customized-hdrs = From: <$LOGNAME>
>
> to /etc/pine.conf. If you can get their personal name into an enviroment
> variable then you can construct a better from field.

This is cool! Thanks for the tip.

I didn't realize one could use shell vars in the pine.conf.
Where can I find technical documentation on pine.conf/.pinerc?

Thanks,
Derek Simkowiak