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From: Tony Tung <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: correct for timezone in index format
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Hi all,

Sadly, no one responded to my question so I wrote a patch for this. In
addition to fixing the timezone problem, it adds a mail index token
SMARTTIME6. It shows the time the email was sent if it was sent today.
Otherwise it shows the date.

Enclosed are two patches. One patches the pine4.44 distribution, and the
other patches pine4.44 with Eduardo Chappa's fancy thread feature. I hope
someone finds this useful.

Thanks,
Tony

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Tony Tung wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a way to have pine correct for the timezone when displaying the
> date/time in the index? All the date/time tokens appear to not correct
> for the timezone. Without such a feature, there are messages that appear
> to be arriving from the future :).
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
>

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Whenever I start PC-PINE, the window is nearly maximized (but not).

I would like the window to open at a set size.

Is there a way to do that?

TjL

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On 2 Mar 2002 Timothy J. Luoma ([email protected]) wrote:
> Whenever I start PC-PINE, the window is nearly maximized (but not).
> I would like the window to open at a set size.
> Is there a way to do that?

I've messed around with this and I think the deal is that the
possible positions that PC-Pine can take are a fewer than the
possible positions a normal window can take. I think this is
because the PC-Pine screen size is built using character-size
rather than pixels. What I usually do is use my mouse to size and
place the window. Then I quit PC-Pine and restart it and see if
it's where I put it last time. Usually it's not exactly right.
Then I close PC-Pine again and open my pinercex, which is where
this info is stored (if you don't use pinercex, it's in pinerc).
Look for the window-position variable. Here's what I've got

# Window position in the format: CxR+X+Y
# Where C and R are the window size in characters and X and Y are the
# screen position of the top left corner of the window.
## window-position=99x32+1+0ba
window-position=99x32+1+0ba

Mess around with the settings until you get something you like.
Then, here's a TIP...

Make a copy of the setting and leave it in your pinercex
as a comment!

That's what my line that starts with ## is for. This way if you
accidentally move the PC-Pine window, you can easily get back to
the setting you like because you've got it safely stored as a
comment.

HTH,
Nancy
^x

PS to Tim - I link to your Triple Colors page in this section of
my Power Pine page

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#color>

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Can someone tell me what one has to do in pine to address a message to a
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alias in /etc/aliases. Is it possible for example to have pine read the
To: line of the header from a file?

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On Mar 3, 2002, 06:50 (-0500) Brian Spooner <[email protected]> wrot=
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> Can someone tell me what one has to do in pine to address a message to a
> number of people without all the addressees being listed in the header of
> each message? i.e. the sort of thing that could be done by putting an
> alias in /etc/aliases. Is it possible for example to have pine read the
> To: line of the header from a file?

Put yourself in TO and all recepients in BCC.

Mats

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Hi,

Im using pc-pine for win ver 4.40 with SSL, build
13-Sep-2001. I use it to access a pop3 account
provided by my isp.

Since a few days ago, I have suddenly started getting
this error "no-op dead stream" on the status line,
after I enter the login name and passwd. And then pine
goes on to print "no folder opened" on the status
line.

What could be wrong ?
I can use my pop account using outlook express, so
probably nothing is wrong at my isp's end ?

Thanks,

Tuka

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On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Mess around with the settings until you get something you like.
> Then, here's a TIP...

Thanks for the tip... it's too bad PC-PINE can't behave better.

> PS to Tim - I link to your Triple Colors page in this section of
> my Power Pine page
>
> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#color>

Cool :-)

TjL

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> Can someone tell me what one has to do in pine to address a message to a
> number of people without all the addressees being listed in the header of
> each message? i.e. the sort of thing that could be done by putting an
> alias in /etc/aliases. Is it possible for example to have pine read the
> To: line of the header from a file?

IMHO, the best way to do this is to:

1. Create an address book entry with the list of recipients.

2. When addressing the mail use Crtl-R to bring up the "Rich Headers"
display.

3. Place the name of your address book entry in the Lcc: field.

Ed

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What is the difference between Bcc: and Lcc:?

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With Lcc: you get the name of the distribution list you are sending to in the
To:
header.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leslie Fairall [mailto:[email protected]]
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> What is the difference between Bcc: and Lcc:?
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Leslie Fairall wrote:

> What is the difference between Bcc: and Lcc:?

* Meta-answer:
Test either one before relying on it.

* Short answer:
Lcc is prettier, but Bcc is more likely to work.

* Long answer:
It's been a long time since I tested Lcc. If I recall correctly, pine's
"Lcc" header generates mail with a named group in the address field of
the outgoing mail. Problem is, "group" addresses are so seldom used
that some sites stumble when dealing with mail addressed to named
groups. After being bitten once too often, I decided that I would never
use group addresses. I recommend Bcc.

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> * Meta-answer:
> Test either one before relying on it.
>
> * Short answer:
> Lcc is prettier, but Bcc is more likely to work.

????

> * Long answer:
> It's been a long time since I tested Lcc. If I recall correctly, pine's
> "Lcc" header generates mail with a named group in the address field of
> the outgoing mail. Problem is, "group" addresses are so seldom used
> that some sites stumble when dealing with mail addressed to named
> groups. After being bitten once too often, I decided that I would never
> use group addresses. I recommend Bcc.

Not sure where you are getting your information.

The Lcc: is not much different than the Bcc: That is, no routing address
information is held in the headers. All the addresses go in the SMTP
envelope. With the Lcc: you get some indication of who it is being sent
"To:". If you use the Bcc: and put yourself in the To: field then people
can't sort the incoming emails properly. They can also tend to ignore them
since the "To" isn't them. The Lcc: gives an indication that it is a list and
not a person being sent to....

The obvious "draw-back" to using either of these two is that a reply won't
reach the people in the Lcc: or the Bcc: But, that is to be expected and may
very well be the desired result.

One wonders why the "help" menu isn't consulted ...

THE MESSAGE COMPOSER'S LCC FIELD

The "Lcc:" (List carbon copy) header is intended to be used when you wish
to send a message to a list of people but avoid having all of their
addresses visible, in order to reduce clutter when the message is
received.

It is similar to the "Bcc" (Blind carbon copy) header in that individual
addressees are hidden, but Lcc is designed to work specifically with
distribution lists you have created in your Pine Address Book. Placing
the nickname of the list on the Lcc line will result in the full name of
your Pine Address Book list being placed on the To: line of the message,
using a special notation that distinguishes it from a real address. You
must leave the To: line blank for your list name to appear there.

For example, if you have this list entered in your Address Book:

largo Key Largo List DISTRIBUTION LIST:

largo Key Largo List DISTRIBUTION LIST:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
and you enter "largo" on the Lcc: line while composing a message, the
result is:

To : Key Largo List: ;
Cc :
Bcc :
Fcc : sent-mail
Lcc : Key Largo List <[email protected]>,
[email protected],
[email protected]
Subject :
Each recipient listed on the Lcc: line receives a copy of the message
without their address being visible (as though they were listed on the
ipient listed on the Lcc: line receives a copy of the message
without their address being visible (as though they were listed on the
Bcc: line). The colon-semicolon notation used to put the full-name of the
list on the To: line is a special address format that doesn't specify any
actual addressees, but does give some information to the recipients of
the message.

Note: if after entering an LCC, you delete the list name that is placed
on the To: line, then recipients will see

To: Undisclosed recipients: ;
(or whatever string is defined in the "empty-header-message" variable)
just as in the BCC case.

For help with Lcc: field editing commands, check the Help for the To:
header.

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Ed Greshko wrote:

> With the Lcc: you get some indication of who it is being sent
> "To:". If you use the Bcc: and put yourself in the To: field then people
> can't sort the incoming emails properly.

Yes, yes. You are providing fine elaboration. I repeat my point: Lcc
is prettier -- it formats the "To" header as an RFC[2]822 "group"
address. Read the RFC if you don't yet know what a "group" address is.
All sites should be able to handle group addresses. Unfortunately,
not all sites do. I tired of arguing with postmasters, and gave up on
using groups myself (and Lcc). If Lcc works at your site feel free to
use it; I'm just trying to warn you to keep an eye open for trouble,
because it works less universally than Bcc does.

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On Mar 4, 2002, 02:35 (-0500) Jacob Morzinski <[email protected]> wrote:

> * Long answer:
> It's been a long time since I tested Lcc. If I recall correctly, pine's
> "Lcc" header generates mail with a named group in the address field of
> the outgoing mail. Problem is, "group" addresses are so seldom used
> that some sites stumble when dealing with mail addressed to named
> groups. After being bitten once too often, I decided that I would never
> use group addresses. I recommend Bcc.

What it creates according to the help text that Ed Greshko cited is an
mailgroup with no mailaddreses in the TO field, which is fully in
accordans with RFC 2822, which defines the Internet mail message.
Furthermore, sendmail will enter such an empty group if the is no address
on TO, which means that it is far from being seldom used. It is also used
by the IETF for some mailing lists, and people on the lists used a variety
of mail clients, and I've seen no complaints on that.

I think it is safe to use the LCC solution in Pine, which I did not know
was there.

Mats

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> If Lcc works at your site feel free to
> use it; I'm just trying to warn you to keep an eye open for trouble,
> because it works less universally than Bcc does.

Actually, it works "exactly" the same as the Bcc does.

I would normally caution against using Bcc:...

If you use Bcc: but forget to add a To: then you will find that certain
sendmail implementations will reveal all of the addresses in the Bcc:!! This,
of course, defeats the whole purpose.

Ed

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I am running Pine on a RedHat 7.2 system, in an xterm. For
consistency between applications I would like to make vim my
default message editor in pine. However, when I invoke vim
from within pine, the backspace/delete situation is confused --
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and only CTRL-H seems to work as expected to delete the character
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make vim work correctly from within pine, without breaking
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Thank you for the correction, Peter. I have cc'd Pine-Info.

-- Marc Rouleau

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:21:23 -0500
From: Peter S. Shenkin <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: your 18jan posting to the pine-info discussion forum

Hi, Mark,

You wrote,

"I think you probably need to turn on the new (4.33+) quell-content-id
feature."

After spending some time trying to figure out why this wouldn't work
with 4.33, I found that this feature was in fact new in 4.41
(according to the 4.44 release notes).

I can't quite figure out how to post a followup on pine-info -- maybe
one has to be a registered user -- but, since neither of the followups
to date points this out, I thought I'd call it to your attention in
case you'd like to post one.

Either way, your posting sent me down the right track for eventually
figuring out how (as a Pine user) I can be kind to my less fortunate
friends who use XP Outlook. :-) So thanks....

-P.

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Is there a way to set Pine to reconnect
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way to restore writability if another process hits
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I don't like this behavior. I'm not sure if it's a bug or not:

(G)otoFldr and type in a few letters. In my case, I typed in "li". Then,
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It found all occurrences of the string "li" instead of names that
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We're kind of confused by this discussion because recent pines should be
storing the window position in the registry, not in the config file. The
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Since pine4.44 we've found that this gets in the way of the way some
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I can confirm what Jacob says. I have definitely encountered sendmail
configs which choked on the pine style Lcc To header. And we both
understand that we're talking about group addresses which contain no
actual mailboxes between the `:' and `;'. The header parsing rules just
didn't handle the group syntax. An even more likely place for the failure
is if you set up pine to use "sendmail -t" to send messages. In that case
there are some sendmail configs which will reject the mail because there
are no valid addresses on the To line. That's actually what prompted us to
change from sendmail -t to sendmail -bs as the default, though there were
other good reasons as well.

Since sendmail started generating such addresses I think it has become
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Steve,

[snip]
> That's actually what prompted us to
> change from sendmail -t to sendmail -bs as the default, though there were
> other good reasons as well.

Interesting. I'd seen cases were different sendmails choked on different
things.
Maybe that was the reason I switched 2 years ago to using an SMTP host as
opposed to calling sendmail. :-) It seems like using the SMTP protocol is
less likely to cause problems.

> Since sendmail started generating such addresses I think it has become
> less and less common for these parsing failures to happen.

While there may be some older versions of sendmail around which still suffer
from this, I think going the SMTP host route would get around it. So, I still
think Lcc: is preferred over Bcc:. I'd rather have it choke (and a
workaround) than to have sendmail reveal all the Bcc's cause I forgot to add
the To:.

Ed

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On 5 Mar 2002 Steve Hubert ([email protected]) wrote:
> We're kind of confused by this discussion because recent pines should be
> storing the window position in the registry, not in the config file. The
> config file entry is supposed to be ignored if there is a registry entry.

What I wrote to Tim was based on experiments I did a while ago so
now I know that the window-position line in my config file isn't
doing anything...

> The position of the last pine exited should be the position where the next
> pine starts up.

The main problem I've had (and this was a while ago) was that if
I clicked on the maximize button in the PC-Pine upper right
corner (between the _ and X buttons), PC-Pine would fill up my
screen. But then, the next time I started PC-Pine it wasn't truly
maximized. I don't want to experiment with this now, especially
since I can no longer easily save my current setting in my config
file!

> Since pine4.44 we've found that this gets in the way of the way some
> people would like to use pine so there will be a new configuration feature
> called "store-window-position-in-config" in pine4.50.

Can you tell me more about what people don't like? I don't like
anything in the registry because I want to be able to edit these
types of things in a text file using gvim and save backups and do
things the good old fashioned unix way.

Thanks,
Nancy
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Can you tell me more about what people don't like? I don't like
> anything in the registry because I want to be able to edit these
> types of things in a text file using gvim and save backups and do
> things the good old fashioned unix way.

What she said.

The less we rely on the registry, the better, IMO.

It also saves people like me from pouring through the PINERC (where
everything else is) looking for the setting, only to find that it isn't
there but in the registry.

TjL

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> The main problem I've had (and this was a while ago) was that if
> I clicked on the maximize button in the PC-Pine upper right
> corner (between the _ and X buttons), PC-Pine would fill up my
> screen. But then, the next time I started PC-Pine it wasn't truly
> maximized. I don't want to experiment with this now, especially
> since I can no longer easily save my current setting in my config
> file!

Yes, I see that, too. Certainly is a bug. Thanks.

> Can you tell me more about what people don't like? I don't like
> anything in the registry because I want to be able to edit these
> types of things in a text file using gvim and save backups and do
> things the good old fashioned unix way.

The problem is just if somebody wants to start two pines with two config
files and have them located in two spots on the screen. You can't do that
in pine4.44 without manually moving one of them after you start up.

Steve

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Steve Hubert wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:
>
> > Can you tell me more about what people don't like? I don't like
> > anything in the registry because I want to be able to edit these
> > types of things in a text file using gvim and save backups and do
> > things the good old fashioned unix way.
>
> The problem is just if somebody wants to start two pines with two config
> files and have them located in two spots on the screen. You can't do that
> in pine4.44 without manually moving one of them after you start up.

I'll add that the change to use the registry was prompted by complaints
about having to create and keep track of a local exceptions pinerc file
*just* to record screen position --which is machine specific, so using a
central/shared pinerc cause undesired results for folks who use computers
with different screen resolutions.

Some people hate the registry, some people hate lots of "exception" files.
I hate them both, but believe we should provide the registry option in
PC-land, since that's the way PC apps are supposed to do it. With the
next release, folks will have their choice of which mechanism they prefer.

-teg

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:29:28 +0100 ((MEZ) Mitteleurop=E4ische Zeit)
From: Cornelius C. Noack <[email protected]>
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Subject: folder format in pcpine

There has been an ongoing discussion about this (specifically
the suggestion that pcpine provide an option for using the unix
mbox format also in pcpine). Apparently this discussion has not
reached the pine development team. So I am herewith sending you
3 recent relevant contributions to the pine discussion forum,
in the hope that you can either include such an option (in a
future release of pcpine) or give the pcpine community a
convincing reason why this is impossible or really inadvisable.

I look forward to your response. Yours (gratefully for pcpine!)

ccn.
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Joel Boonstra wrote:

> So, where is that extra space getting stripped out? My hunch is that it's
> not pine -- perhaps gpg eliminates all whitespace immediately preceding a
> newline. However, perhaps when pine sends its data to the filter (i.e.,
> to pgp4pine), it strips out the space. I doubt this, but it could be the
> case. Or, perhaps pgp4pine munges the data as it's passing it through to
> gpg. Again, unlikely, but it seems that one of those is happening, since
> sigdashes don't work for encrypted messages.
>
> So, here are my questions:
>
> * Can anyone else reproduce this? Both me and my co-worker are using:
>
> RH 7.1/7.2
> pine 4.44
> gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.4 (at least)
> pgp4pine 1.75-6
>
> * If it's reproducible, how can I trace where the space is being stripped
> out?
>
> * Or, am I being silly, and missing something obvious?

Hi Joel,

In my tests of sending-filters, it looks to me like pine does correctly
preserve the white space. My guess is the problem lies in some
interaction between pgp4pine and gpg. If you wanted to test this
hypothesis more, I would try the sending filter manually with some example
text. Then, you could try the same text with gpg, with whatever args
pgp4pine passes it.

Good luck!
Jeff

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On 6 Mar 2002 Terry Gray ([email protected]) wrote:
> I'll add that the change to use the registry was prompted by complaints
> about having to create and keep track of a local exceptions pinerc file
> *just* to record screen position --which is machine specific, so using a
> central/shared pinerc cause undesired results for folks who use computers
> with different screen resolutions.

But shouldn't a central/shared pinerc be specified by %PINECONF%?
Then the regular old %PINERC% could be used for user &
machine-specific settings and a user who didn't want to use 3
config files wouldn't need to create a pinercex file?

Here are a couple wishes in my Pine Wish list related to this
issue:

* If we can't have the previous wish, allow PC-Pine to use an
analog of pine.conf.fixed so that PC-Pine and Unix Pine can both
use 4 configuration files and thus easily share them. Suggestion:
Use %PINECONFFIXED% in PC-Pine to specify this fourth
configuration file.

* Have default file names in PC-Pine for pine.conf and
pine.conf.fixed so that a user doesn't have to
use environment variables to specify these.

You can read these and all of my Pine wishes here:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishes>

> Some people hate the registry, some people hate lots of "exception" files.
> I hate them both, but believe we should provide the registry option in
> PC-land, since that's the way PC apps are supposed to do it. With the
> next release, folks will have their choice of which mechanism they prefer.

I think giving us the choice is great. Are we going to be able to
set any other settings that are currently set in the registry in
plain old text files?

Thanks!
Nancy
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I'm looking around for the man pages for pine.440, but can't find them
anywhere (someone emailed me the binaries).

I can't find them on the washington web site, anyone know where they might
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"No-op dead stream" means that the connection to the server was lost. In
some cases, a single Pine operation (such as opening a session) involves
multiple operations to the server. Pine does all those operations in a
batch. If an earlier operation in the batch failed due to the disconnect,
then all the subsequent operations in the batch will also fail, and the
failure those subsequent operations will get is "no-op" (meaning that no
operation was done) "dead stream" (meaning that the communications stream
with the server is dead).

The next version of Pine will have a more understandable message.

In any case, the problem is probably in the server and not with Pine. You
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2002 Terry Gray ([email protected]) wrote:
> > I'll add that the change to use the registry was prompted by complaints
> > about having to create and keep track of a local exceptions pinerc file
> > *just* to record screen position --which is machine specific, so using a
> > central/shared pinerc cause undesired results for folks who use computers
> > with different screen resolutions.
>
> But shouldn't a central/shared pinerc be specified by %PINECONF%?
> Then the regular old %PINERC% could be used for user &
> machine-specific settings and a user who didn't want to use 3
> config files wouldn't need to create a pinercex file?

No, I'm talking about the remote_pinerc facility for sharing a *personal*
pinerc across a bunch of different machines that an individual may use,
not a global site-policy pine.conf. For myself, I use lots of different
computers on a daily basis, and my single remote_pinerc is the *only*
config file I need or want to worry about. You can specify such a
remote/shared pinerc either via the -p command line option or via registry
settings.

-teg

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On 8 Mar 2002 Terry Gray ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:
>
> > On 6 Mar 2002 Terry Gray ([email protected]) wrote:
> > > I'll add that the change to use the registry was prompted by complaints
> > > about having to create and keep track of a local exceptions pinerc file
> > > *just* to record screen position --which is machine specific, so using a
> > > central/shared pinerc cause undesired results for folks who use computers
> > > with different screen resolutions.
> >
> > But shouldn't a central/shared pinerc be specified by %PINECONF%?
> > Then the regular old %PINERC% could be used for user &
> > machine-specific settings and a user who didn't want to use 3
> > config files wouldn't need to create a pinercex file?
>
> No, I'm talking about the remote_pinerc facility for sharing a *personal*
> pinerc across a bunch of different machines that an individual may use,
> not a global site-policy pine.conf. For myself, I use lots of different
> computers on a daily basis, and my single remote_pinerc is the *only*
> config file I need or want to worry about. You can specify such a
> remote/shared pinerc either via the -p command line option or via registry
> settings.

Thanks for the explanation Terry, I interpreted "central/shared"
as shared among many users rather than shared by one user on many
machines. My mistake - this is a lesson for me to try to get in
the habit of using the phrases

generic pinerc
personal pinerc
machine-specific pinerc

so I don't confuse people when I write about this stuff, e.g.,
here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/sharing/>

And it's good for me to hear that some people, e.g. you, don't
have any desire to compartmentalize and would rather have
all their config information in one file! If anyone has any
feedback on the way I've written about this or the terminology
I'm using, e.g., "generic pinerc," I'd really appreciate it.

Also, here is a question: In the Unix world, when a pine user
uses an IMAP-accessible pinerc, where do machine-specific
settings go (since there's no registry)? It seems to me that pine
should create a local pinercex, if it doesn't already exist, for
storing things like last-version-used and, if they are using X
Windows, window-position and font. I don't have much experience
with X Windows so maybe it has an analog to the registry?

Thanks,
Nancy
^x
still trying to spread the modularization word

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I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can someone tell
me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or Netscape). This is
urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functions
involved.

Thank you

vimala
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On Mar 5, 2002, 21:21 (+0800) Vimala <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can someone tel=
l
> me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or Netscape). This i=
s
> urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functio=
ns
> involved.

With pine you can access your email in three ways:

1. Via an IMAP server. If so, all mail folders could be stored at the
server, including outgoing mail. Configure your other mail client to
access the email in the same way.

2. Via an POP server. With POP only the inbox is accessible, and only
non-removed email. But new mail could be accesssed via another mail
client. No folders are accessible.

3. Via the file system. In that case, only mail client running on the
server and knowing the pine mail boxes can access the email. The inbox is
accessible for all standard unix email programs.

If the IMAP server is the one coming with pine, you could access the mail
both trough the file system and through the IMAP server.

Mats

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[Giving this thread a name: "Viewing pine mailboxes in a browser"]

I think Vimala is asking a much different question -- "how can one view
PINE mailboxes in a browser such as Netscape?" I would also very much
like to know the answer.

As far as I can tell, browsers that use a variant of the Unix mbox
format for email -- such as Opera, Mozilla, and Netscape -- need to
first index the mbox files in an email database. In other words, you
cannot just click on an mbox file and view it in a browser -- or
rather, you can, but it will come up as plain text, routing headers and
all, and without rendering the URLs to be directly clickable. I made a
few half-hearted experiments in this area awhile ago and concluded it
would take a considerable effort -- shell scripts, filters, and whatnot
-- to make this work.

With PC-Pine, alas, it appears that this sort of workaround would not
be practical because PC-Pine makes it extremely inconvenient to use
anything but its non-standard, proprietary mailbox format "c-client
MBX" (with non-text characters), which makes PC-Pine incompatible with
Unix pine, which uses the Unix mbox format.

Because of this incompatibility, in fact, I am probably going to have
to abandon pine altogether when I move from Solaris to WIN2000 and use
the Cygwin port of mutt for Windows. (There is a Cygwin port of pine
that uses mbox as the default format, but in my experience you have to
install an XWindow emulator and run it in an xterm window -- nice that
it works, but a bit cumbersome.)

As with pine, however, mutt will only solve the problem of _processing_
the mail (reading threads, responding, organizing messages into mboxes,
etc), not of _viewing_ the mail in a Web environment. For that, it
looks to me like it is necessary to download all mail _twice_ -- once
for processing with mutt or pine, and once for indexing by Netscape or
Opera for viewing in a Web environment. I would dearly love to see
this depressing conclusion proven wrong.

Tom

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2002, 21:21 (+0800) Vimala <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can someone tell
> > me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or Netscape). This is
> > urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functions
> > involved.
>
> With pine you can access your email in three ways:
>
> 1. Via an IMAP server. If so, all mail folders could be stored at the
> server, including outgoing mail. Configure your other mail client to
> access the email in the same way.
>
> 2. Via an POP server. With POP only the inbox is accessible, and only
> non-removed email. But new mail could be accesssed via another mail
> client. No folders are accessible.
>
> 3. Via the file system. In that case, only mail client running on the
> server and knowing the pine mail boxes can access the email. The inbox is
> accessible for all standard unix email programs.
>
> If the IMAP server is the one coming with pine, you could access the mail
> both trough the file system and through the IMAP server.

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Also, here is a question: In the Unix world, when a pine user
> uses an IMAP-accessible pinerc, where do machine-specific
> settings go (since there's no registry)? It seems to me that pine
> should create a local pinercex, if it doesn't already exist, for
> storing things like last-version-used and, if they are using X
> Windows, window-position and font. I don't have much experience
> with X Windows so maybe it has an analog to the registry?

This would be a function of the "xterm" program, through which one would
invoke Pine (or any other terminal-based app). Being a terminal-based
app, Unix Pine has no notion itself of window size or position.
X apps such as xterm are driven by a hierarchy of X-specific config files,
in the normal Unix tradition.

-teg

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I'm not sure what causes this, but it happens a lot, especially, it seems,
when you open an URL out of PC-Pine.

PC-Pine should be idle, but it actually sucks 80-90% of the CPU and trips
the fan on my laptop.

Simply switching the view back to Pine drops the CPU back down to normal.

Any ideas what might be causing this?

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Hi,

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

[pine cpu hogging]
>
> Any ideas what might be causing this?
No I don't, but I experience the same problem when pine is minimized.
This only happens when I run ge0Shell, which is a replacement shell for
window.

Regards
Adi

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On Mar 4, 2002, 15:32 (-0500) S. Alexander Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is there a way to set Pine to reconnect
> automatically on lost connections and is there a
> way to restore writability if another process hits
> your INBOX?

If you create an INBOX in mbx format in your home directory, pine will
move your mail to that instead of in the public place. And then pine will
be able to have several concurrent R/W sessions to your INBOX.

Mats

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Ok. Thats good if you have multiple sessions, but
I often leave Pine open for long periods of time
and in that time it occasionally looses its
connection. I do a manual G INBOX to get it back.
That seems like a pain. How can I make it restore
automatically. (Outlook restores automatically)

-Alex-

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> On Mar 4, 2002, 15:32 (-0500) S. Alexander Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote=
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>
> > Is there a way to set Pine to reconnect
> > automatically on lost connections and is there a
> > way to restore writability if another process hits
> > your INBOX?
>
> If you create an INBOX in mbx format in your home directory, pine will
> move your mail to that instead of in the public place. And then pine will
> be able to have several concurrent R/W sessions to your INBOX.
>
>
> Mats
>
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>

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On 9 Mar 2002 Mats Dufberg ([email protected]) wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2002, 21:21 (+0800) Vimala <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can someone tell
> > me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or Netscape). This is
> > urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functions
> > involved.
>
> With pine you can access your email in three ways:
>
> 1. Via an IMAP server.
> 2. Via an POP server.
> 3. Via the file system.

Mats is right that these are the ways you can access your
messages *with Pine*, but if you want to access them from a web
browser. Here are some questions/comments:

* Question: Why do you want to do this? Is it because you want to
be able to access your messages when you aren't at your own
computer, eg, when you're visiting a friend or Internet Cafe?
Or is it because you no longer want to use Pine and you want to
use an integrated program for mail and web?

* Comment: There is no such thing as "PINE mails." Pine messages
are stored in mailboxes and these mailboxes are accessible to
many different programs, depending on the format of the
mailboxes and on the type of server that the mailboxes reside
on. Have you seen the movie "The Matrix"? In that movie, we
learn that things are not the way they appear and that is a
lesson relevant to the world of Internet messaging -- just
because it appears that your messages are part of Pine does not
mean that they are!

Depending on your answer to the question above, we may have some
suggestions on how to access your messages using your web
browser.

Nancy
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Hello together,

having used
Pine 4.21 on Linux via telnet
(Anzio on NT and hp deskjets)
for quite some time now , we can easily print mails.
Now, we would like to
print several hundreds of mails
for archiving purposes.
All mails contained in one folder.
Sitting in front of the folder index,
whatever we have tried up to now
- select by ; and apply a collective print command -
we unfortunately only get one single print
of the one and only single mail
that the cursor actually lights in the index.

What's wrong, what might be our mistake ?
Any hints welcome, kind regards, hbk ;-)

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On 9 Mar 2002 Adi Sieker ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:
>
> [pine cpu hogging]
> >
> > Any ideas what might be causing this?
> No I don't, but I experience the same problem when pine is minimized.
> This only happens when I run ge0Shell, which is a replacement shell for
> window.

I almost always have 2 or 3 instances of PC-Pine running and am
constantly launching URLs from PC-Pine and I have not experienced
this problem. In fact, I'm amazed that I don't run out of memory
more often. Here's my usual configuaration

MS Windows 98SE
64 meg of RAM
Opera 6.01 Build 1041 running in MDI mode with about 20 windows open
Dreamweaver 4.01 with 2 or 3 pages open and being edited
2 or 3 instances of PC-Pine, often one cycling through the
incoming-folders list and another PageUpping or PageDowning
through a Message Index
1 or 2 SecureCRT windows open SSHed to Unix systems and doing
port forwarding
1 or 2 gvim windows
Clever Keys

I never minimize PC-Pine so maybe that is what's causing your
problem?

Nancy
still amazed that I can do so much with only 64 meg of memory!

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On Mar 10, 2002, 19:48 (+0100) h.bork <[email protected]> wrote:

> =09Pine 4.21 on Linux via telnet
(...)
> - select by ; and apply a collective print command -
> =09we unfortunately only get one single print
> =09of the one and only single mail
> that the cursor actually lights in the index.

I have pine 4.33.

When I try "select all" (;a) and "apply print" (a%) all messages are
printed (the contents of them, not the list).

Mats

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Here is another data point that might help track down why Tim has
a memory leak and I don't: I use PC-Pine to access IMAP and NNTP
folders almost exclusively. I rarely access local folders.

HTH track down the problem,
Nancy
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On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Thomas Baker wrote:

> [Giving this thread a name: "Viewing pine mailboxes in a browser"]

why not setup an IMAP server to share out the mailboxes, then one can
a multitude of clients to access/view those mailboxes, including pine,
netscape, outlook98, eudora, etc.. and IMP (a PHP webmail application
- see horde.org).

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Hi all,

Somebody have any filter for to detect Nimda Virus across PINE? or some
form of detection (filter in pine)?.

Thanks a lot.

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I discuss this on my Power Pine page in the section called
Avoiding Mislabeled Application Viruses such as Nimda and
Badtrans.B, which is here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#nimda>

And here's what the current incarnation of that section says:

One of the ways that the Nimda and BadTrans.B worms propagate is
as a MIME attachment that is an executable file but is mislabeled
as type audio/x-wave or audio/x-wav. I don't know if PC-Pine
users are vulnerable to mislabeled attachments, but to be sure
you aren't I suggest you add this to your mailcap file:

audio/*;""

And then don't run any attachment that is labeled audio/x-wav(e)
by hand!

Details about mailcap and other security issues are on my Power
Pine page.

HTH,
Nancy
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Hello,
> When I try "select all" (;a) and "apply print" (a%) all messages are
> printed (the contents of them, not the list).
This is exactly, what we'd like it to do with our Pine 4.21
but unexplicably does not happen,
TIA, kind regards hbk;-)

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> > Pine 4.21 on Linux via telnet
> > - select by ; and apply a collective print command -
> > we unfortunately only get one single print
> > of the one and only single mail
> > that the cursor actually lights in the index.
> I have pine 4.33.
> When I try "select all" (;a) and "apply print" (a%) all messages are
> printed (the contents of them, not the list).

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On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Vimala wrote:
>I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can someone tell
>me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or Netscape). This is
>urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functions
>involved.

This is not a feature of PINE AFAIK. You may have some luck setting up a
form of webmail, and make multiple copies of your e-mail, or better yet,
find a webmail program that reads from standard mbox format.

Christopher Fisk

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Hi, Vimala, :)

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Vimala wrote:

> I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can
> someone tell me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or
> Netscape). This is urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my
> mails and no other functions involved.

There are a number of free (or almost free) e-mail providers who
provide IMAP access as well as Web-based views of your mail. Not to
be an advertizer or anything, but the one I use, FastMail, has worked
well for me for the last six months and the admins *very* friendly to
Pine and IMAP. There are many more out there, I'm sure.

Try http://www.fastmail.fm/

Good luck!

---Jason
[email protected]

P.S. - I also have an account at MyRealBox, http://www.myrealbox.com/
This is a demonstration platform for Novell's NIMS and NDS
technologies, so it's not nearly as stable as some of the others, but
it's completely free...

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Hi,

My requirements are as follows:

1. I need to create certificates & have them installed in a web browser for
authentication purpose so that users can perform remote access to their
mail server, when they are out of their working area. This is done
successfully.

2. My server is running on Linux, so I have pine in there which I use to
access my mails. But what happens when I go somewhere
else....authentication need to be performed before access is allowed.

3. Once authentication is done, I should be able to "VIEW" my mails in my
PINE inbox. I don't have to worry abt other mail functions as long as the
user get to read his mails, this is considered good enough.

4. I am to use either IE or Netscape for this. The main page can be
accessed from anywhere but the secure page (done via https) that is gonna
display my mails is only retrieved once a secure connection is established.

5. My only worry now is what must I do in order to view my inbox messages
in Pine, using either Netscape or IE.

I was told & I read so many papers that says that I can do this by
configuring either POP or IMAP. I feel POP is good enough as I only want to
be able to view the messages but how do I go abt doing this?I am trying to
avoid using Netscape Messenger if possible. Can somebody help me please?
I only have abt 3 weeks to get this working (I am a student).

Thank you very much.

Rgds,
Vimala

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Hello,

usually you can download pine & imap separately and just drop imap into
the pine directory. I tried it so on:

+ Solaris 8
+ Pine v4.44
+ imap-2002.DEV.SNAP-0203071604
+ gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)

This results in:

Pico/Pilot [included here as this is the only warning I've seen]:
In file included from pico_os.c:4309:
/usr/include/stropts.h:42: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit
declaration
pico_os.c:234: warning: previous implicit declaration of `ioctl'

Pine:
pine.c: In function `main':
pine.c:418: `SET_DISABLEAUTOMATICSHAREDNAMESPACES' undeclared (first use
in this function)

If this is expected behaviour, I suggest to add this into
imap/docs/<somewhere>.
Pine v4.44 builds fine with the originally included c-client and also
connects to imap-2002 successfully.

Bye,

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I have a Question: Is this going to be put into production or is
this just an exercise for a University assignment? If it is the
former, you may just want to set up your system so that people
can SSH to your system and run Pine in an SSH window. A lot of
universities seem to do this by making a web-based java SSH
client available to their users. Some are listed here

<http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Security/Products_and_Tools/Cryptography/SSH/Clients/>

Many people seem to like MindTerm. This way you let Pine do most
of the work and you and your system administrators simply have to
make sure that the web-based SSH client is working.

If this is for an assignment and you need all the requirements
you list because it's part of the assignment, then I recommend
that you set up an IMAP server on your system (maybe one is
already in place) and then your users can use either Pine, which
is the quintessential IMAP client, or a web-based IMAP client to
access and process their mailboxes. There are many web-based IMAP
clients. A good place to start investigating them is here

<http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/Mail/Web-Based/>

Good luck,
Nancy

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Steffen Kaiser wrote:
> usually you can download pine & imap separately and just drop imap into
> the pine directory.

Although this is sometimes suggested to work around a c-client library
problem discovered after a Pine release, this is not supported. Only the
IMAP toolkit distributed with Pine is supported.

Actually, the release version (imap-2001a) of the IMAP toolkit is the same
as the version distributed with Pine. You downloaded imap-2002 which is
not in release status; you will notice that imap-2002 is in "development
snapshot" stage.

> pine.c: In function `main':
> pine.c:418: `SET_DISABLEAUTOMATICSHAREDNAMESPACES' undeclared (first use
> in this function)

Yes, we know. It got renamed, because some compilers don't like names
that are that long.

> If this is expected behaviour, I suggest to add this into
> imap/docs/<somewhere>.

It is always expected that building Pine with a mismatched c-client may
have problems.

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i'm looking around for the man pages for pine.440, but can't find them
anywhere (someone emailed me the binaries).

I can't find them on the washington web site, anyone know where they might
be at?

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I see my inbox, but I can't see all my folders.

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Adam wrote:
>
>I see my inbox, but I can't see all my folders.
>

Congratulations!

I see a statement, but I can't see question =)

But if I were to infer a question, I would have to say the answer to it
was:

inbox-path=/path/to/inbox
folder-collections=/home/username/mail/[]

in .pinerc are what you are looking for.

Christopher Fisk

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I did manage to get the folders after. But its not working very well. I
get the following error message and it forces me to log in a second time:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

There was a failure validating the SSL/TLS certificate for the server

fastmail.fm

The reason for the failure was

Server name does not match certificate (details)

We have not verified the identity of your server. If you ignore this
certificate validation problem and continue, you could end up connecting
to an
imposter server.

If the certificate validation failure was expected and permanent you may
avoid
seeing this warning message in the future by adding the option

/novalidate-cert

to the name of the folder you attempted to access.

Answer "Yes" to ignore the warning and continue, "No" to cancel the open
of
this folder.

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Hi group!

Linux i686 Pine 4.44

As YAHOO have implemented plain SMTP authentication, I have browsed the PINE documentation and the online archives on how to configure this. Still after quite a long time I haven't found any specific config info on SMTP authentication.

But from unrelated docs on IMAP authentication I conclude that I may need to add /user=myusername to the smtp-server line.

Is this correct? If so, why am I not prompted for a password, but get "SMTP Authentication cancelled" after the warning ">SECURITY PROBLEM: insecure server advertised AUTH=PLAIN<"?

YAHOO's server supports plain smtp auth:

Trying 216.136.173.12...
Connected to smtp.mail.yahoo.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 smtp016.mail.yahoo.com ESMTP
EHLO myhost.mydomain
250-smtp016.mail.yahoo.com
250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN
250-PIPELINING
250 8BITMIME
quit
221 smtp016.mail.yahoo.com

What do I need to do to get SMTP AUTH working with PINE? Why is there no specific information on SMTP AUTH?

Cheers,
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Scott,

The Web site includes the man pages for the latest version here:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/man/

Lynne Bivona

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Scott Mohnkern wrote:

>
> i'm looking around for the man pages for pine.440, but can't find them
> anywhere (someone emailed me the binaries).
>
> I can't find them on the washington web site, anyone know where they might
> be at?
>
> Scott
>

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There is an error message I get but it is only one line and just flashes
for a moment. Can you tell Pine to provide a more detailed message and
wait till you are able to read it?

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Adam,
After you know you've gotten the error message, hit m for main menu, and j
for journal.
I think the last ten status/error messages are displayed.
I wish the number was higher, but, hey, it's a nice feature nonetheless.

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*** Rick Lewis ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) After you know you've gotten the error message, hit m for main menu, and j
:) for journal.
:) I think the last ten status/error messages are displayed.
:) I wish the number was higher, but, hey, it's a nice feature nonetheless.

It's actually 100 messages for all versions of Unix Pine. What I do when I
find an error that I can duplicate and the message in the Journal is not
long enough, is to go to the main menu, press 9 to set the debug mode to
level 9 (only works with Pine compiled with debug), repeat the error and
quit Pine, then I edit the file ~/.pine-debug1 to read the error, almost
at the bottom of the file.

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Rick Lewis ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) After you know you've gotten the error message, hit m for main menu, and j
> :) for journal.
> :) I think the last ten status/error messages are displayed.
> :) I wish the number was higher, but, hey, it's a nice feature nonetheless.
>
> It's actually 100 messages for all versions of Unix Pine. What I do when I
> find an error that I can duplicate and the message in the Journal is not
> long enough, is to go to the main menu, press 9 to set the debug mode to
> level 9 (only works with Pine compiled with debug), repeat the error and
> quit Pine, then I edit the file ~/.pine-debug1 to read the error, almost
> at the bottom of the file.

I looked in the Debug files, and couldn't see the error. I suppose this
all doesn't work out with PC Pine?

The error is not very detailed in that journal.

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Never mind.

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On 13 Mar 2002 Adam ([email protected]) wrote:
> There was a failure validating the SSL/TLS certificate for the server
>
> fastmail.fm
>
> The reason for the failure was
>
> Server name does not match certificate (details)

This is a Fastmail.fm FAQ, i.e.:

<http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/faqparts/Troubleshooting.html#BadCertificate>

The solution is to use www.fastmail.fm as the IMAP server name
(because this is what the certificate is for). On both my Power
Pine page and my Changing Your From Header in Pine page, I
discuss setting up Pine to access Fastmail.fm using TLS.

HTH,
Nancy
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pine 4.44..

I *think* I may have reported this in the past, if so, sorry.
(I don't know where, if anywhere, to search old mailing list messages..)

My mail server must have gone down, since it lost connection and I can't
reconnect.

I quit and restarted pine (unfortunately the normal "if it doesn't work, try
it again" approach, instead of everything coping with weird situations)..

now I'm at what I think is the main menu -- it's showing me the main menu,
but every key is "not defined for this screen".

e.g.
[Command "Up Arrow" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]

I remember I reported either this or something like this previously, and the
case was that pine thought it was at a different screen than it really was
at..

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Why is it that folders from the first collection disappear when you add
the second collection?

And then says Can't create mailbox node as well.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Pine page and my Changing Your From Header in Pine page, I
> discuss setting up Pine to access Fastmail.fm using TLS.

What is TLS?

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Gopi,

It's not a bug. ListMatches is supposed to work that way. I think what
you want in this instance is TAB (enable-tab-completion in your Setup
Config to use it). Entering TAB twice will take you to a list of folders
names that begin with the string you typed.

Lynne Bivona

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> I don't like this behavior. I'm not sure if it's a bug or not:
>
> (G)otoFldr and type in a few letters. In my case, I typed in "li". Then,
> I did a (^X)ListMatches. The list it gave me was (clint, links, list,
> zoli).
>
> It found all occurrences of the string "li" instead of names that
> started with "li" (links, list). Is that the expected behavior?
>
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Is there some way to speed up mail access? As I notice that you browse
the mail slow at first, and then gets faster. Seems to buffer data. But
switch mailbox, and again slow. It would help to buffer that in both
cases. So 200 messages in one inbox, 100 messages each in two mailboxes,
each case should be the same amount of time to access. Instead of being
slow every time you switch. Because Pine seems to give no details about
the mailboxes except their names, no Megs, sizes, no. of msgs, Read
indicators, Priority msgs contained, etcetera. So you need to switch a
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system OS: FreeBSD 4.4
Pine: pine 4.44

we like to change the place where pine looks for incoming email.

the old location is /var/mail/userid
the new location is /home.userid/.mbox

we're planing on using procmail as the local delivery agent
and its recipie will deliver to the new location.

I've changed /etc/login.conf to adjust the :setenv= tag,
ran the "cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf" to rebuild the database.

then logged out
then logged in

setenv reports that the MAIL variable is now set correctly
to /home/fuzzy/.mbox. I manually copied some email to
mbox to "prime the pump" then ran pine. pine still went
to /var/mail/fuzzy, and copied the data to /home/fuzzy/mbox?

what do I need to do to make pine look at /home/fuzzy/.mbox
(the value of the MAIL environment variable)?

Thanks

Fuzzy

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FreeBSD 4.4
Pine 4.44
tcsh 6.10.00

we'd like to change the default mailbox INBOX from
/var/mail/userid to /home/userid/.mbox but we don't
understand where pine is getting the location from.

It appears that pine is appending /var/mail/test
to /user/test/mbox, then using /usr/test/mbox as INBOX.

we thought it was from the MAIL environment variable,
which is set in /etc/login.conf, we tried changing that
and then did a "cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf". logged into
a test account. setenv verified that the MAIL environment
variable was now "/home/test/.mbox". we put mail into that
file for testing, but pine went to /var/mail/test anyway?

is there a configuration variable, or a compile time option?

thanks in advance.

Fuzzy

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How do I decode ROT13?

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On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Adam wrote:

> How do I decode ROT13?

The same way you encode it ;-)

http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/read.html#rot13

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Due to several requests, I have released a new patched send.c (rather than
a diff, but changes are commented in text and can be easily seen by
someone running 'diff' if they so choose)

Note: this does not eliminate the 'sender' header, but allows you to
define your own "Sender:" header if you so choose. (Basically it disables
some error checking that the fine PINE programmers put in there).

The file can be downloaded at
http://www.peak.org/~luomat/pine/4.44/

Use of the file implies consent with
http://www.peak.org/~luomat/pine/4.44/send.c.README.txt

No promises for functionality or future support. It works for me, and
that's really all I was going for ;-)

TjL

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On 15 Mar 2002 Adam ([email protected]) wrote:
> Is there some way to speed up mail access?

I have 21 tips for speeding up Pine here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#speed>

I hope they help!

Nancy
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In a mail program, when you hit reply the reply template is directed to
whatever program is listed in IE Internet options. How do I so direct
Pine when I press R?

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From: "S. Alexander Jacobson" <[email protected]>
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I'm don't think I got an answer for this so I will
ask again....

How do I get Pine to reconnect after it loses a
connection or the session becomes read-only?

-Alex-

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, S. Alexander Jacobson wrote:

> Ok. Thats good if you have multiple sessions, but
> I often leave Pine open for long periods of time
> and in that time it occasionally looses its
> connection. I do a manual G INBOX to get it back.
> That seems like a pain. How can I make it restore
> automatically. (Outlook restores automatically)
>
> -Alex-
>
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
> > On Mar 4, 2002, 15:32 (-0500) S. Alexander Jacobson <[email protected]> wro=
te:
> >
> > > Is there a way to set Pine to reconnect
> > > automatically on lost connections and is there a
> > > way to restore writability if another process hits
> > > your INBOX?
> >
> > If you create an INBOX in mbx format in your home directory, pine will
> > move your mail to that instead of in the public place. And then pine wi=
ll
> > be able to have several concurrent R/W sessions to your INBOX.
> >
> >
> > Mats
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mats Dufberg [email protected]
> > Bl=E5arvsgr=E4nd 42 +46-8-38 48 59
> > SE-162 45 V=E4llingby, Sweden +46-70-258 2588
> >
> >
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> S. Alexander Jacobson i2x Media
> 1-212-787-1914 voice 1-603-288-1280 fax
>
>
>

___________________________________________________________________
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apologies, but I am completely lost with this.

can I setup pine to use with my current pop3 email account? Ive =
contacted my isp and they have no idea what Im talking about, all they =
could do is give me smtp and pop addys..Like is it possible for me to =
setup Pine with this and/or view my mails without having to download =
them (like outlook express does)
I used Pine for 5 years during school and never had to configure or do =
anything really, my account was just always there, and I really want to =
continue using it.=20

Regards

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>apologies, but I am completely lost =
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account? Ive contacted my isp and they have no idea what Im talking =
about, all=20
they could do is give me smtp and pop addys..Like is it possible for me=20
to setup Pine with this and/or view my mails without =
having to=20
download them (like outlook express does)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I used Pine for 5 years during =
school and=20
never had to configure or do anything really, my account was =
just=20
always there, and I really want to continue using =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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>Subject: pine with pop3 = how?
> From: "Stakker Humanoid" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:44:30 -0500
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>
>apologies, but I am completely lost with this.
>
>can I setup pine to use with my current pop3 email account? Ive contacted my isp and they have no idea what Im talking about, all they could do is give me smtp and pop addys..Like is it possible for me to setup Pine with this and/or view my mails without having to download them (like outlook express does)
>I used Pine for 5 years during school and never had to configure or do anything really, my account was just always there, and I really want to continue using it.
>
>Regards

Yeah it's no problem to set it up to view emails thru pop3 I do that on my Win2k-
machine. The only problem is that you cannot have pine look for more emails without
restarting it. You do of course view them on the pop3-server without downloading until
you want to do that.

There should be some instructions about how to configure for pop3 at the Pine-information
Center. I know I have found it there before.
What you do is basically setting inbox-path to something like
mailserver.your.com/pop3/user=yourusername

Try looking at http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/ also.

- Veronica Loell

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>From: "S. Alexander Jacobson" <[email protected]>
>I'm don't think I got an answer for this so I will
>ask again....
>
>How do I get Pine to reconnect after it loses a
>connection or the session becomes read-only?

At least with an IMAP connection, if you go back to the main menu and reselect
the folder (i.e. "ML<return>" which should be on your INBOX), it will
reopen the connection.

Maybe there's a better answer, but that's what I always do.

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I have analyzed the SMTP authentication problem between Pine and Yahoo.

The problem is a bug in Yahoo's SMTP server. In its implementation of the
PLAIN authentication mechanism, it sends a bogus "334 ok, go on" response
to the AUTH PLAIN command:

S: 220 smtp016.mail.yahoo.com ESMTP
C: ehlo tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu
S: 250-smtp016.mail.yahoo.com
S: 250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN
S: 250-PIPELINING
S: 250 8BITMIME
C: auth plain
S: 334 ok, go on <== this is bogus!!!

The correct response is "334 ". What follows after the 334 and a space is
a server challenge, represented in BASE64 according to the SASL
specification (RFC 2222) and the SMTP service specification for
authentication (RFC 2554). Pine is unable to interpret "ok, go on" as any
sort of valid SASL challenge, and aborts the authentication.

The "security problem" warning is a separate issue. It is merely a
diagnostic, and is neither the cause nor a symptom of your inability to
authenticate. RFC 2595, the specification for the PLAIN SASL mechanism,
requires that PLAIN may only be offered in an SSL or TLS-secured session.
Yahoo's SMTP server does not offer SSL/TLS security, therefore it should
not offer PLAIN. Nor should it offer LOGIN, for that matter; however,
LOGIN is a non-standard SASL mechanism and thus is not under the same
restriction.

The important thing though is that that "security problem" message is just
a warning message, and isn't actually a cause of the problem.

Yahoo appears to be running a qmail-based SMTP server. Someone should
report these bugs to the maintainers of qmail:
1) bogus "ok, go on" in the 334 challenge.
2) offering PLAIN without TLS support
It won't be me.

-- Mark --

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Stakker Humanoid wrote:

> can I setup pine to use with my current pop3 email account?

FAQ.

http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/read.html#pop3

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big thanks to all for the help, but theres still some minor things Im having
trouble with.

Ive set it up fine so I can go into my inbox, choose which of my accounts
and go through my mail. but everytime I try and send or reply I get a "553
small error" type deal, which is odd since Ive plugged in my smtp server in
config.

Also, when I run pine, I get an initial 'cant find inbox type' message, then
I have to go into my folder options and click on the inbox I want to open,
can I set it so it automatically asks me my user/pass at the beginning, or
so it opens up to my inbox automatically? I have multiple accounts but im
mainly only using the one. I know its something minor Im missing. Many
thanks again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gopi Sundaram" <[email protected]>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: pine with pop3 = how?

> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Stakker Humanoid wrote:
>
> > can I setup pine to use with my current pop3 email account?
>
> FAQ.
>
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/read.html#pop3
>
> --
> Gopi Sundaram
> [email protected]
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/
>

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On Mar 19, 2002, 00:14 (-0500) S. Alexander Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote:

> How do I get Pine to reconnect after it loses a
> connection or the session becomes read-only?

I do not know about reconnection (to an IMAP server), but when it comes to
being read-only there is no way back as far as I know. The way to avoid
the problem om read-only is to use the MBX format of the INBOX.

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Hello,

I'm new in this list. I checked the archive but did not find answer to my
question. Please, help me if somebody can.

The situation.
Our server (SUN with Solaris8) has approx. 15.000 student accounts. They
may log in (quite) everywhere from the internet, and (among others) they
can use PINE. In general, we do not want to introduce very strict
limitations.

But in our building there is a room where there are some terminals for
(quite) free use. There were some very sad experience in usage of these
terminals, so we decided that logging in from that terminals we DO
RESTRICT our system to use PINE only.
We solved this with modifying the login shell script (/etc/profile since
everyone uses bash shell) that if the user comes from that terminals,
he/she can use only PINE (exec pine is in the script in that case).

Of course, we have to limit to use different options (eg. reaching
subshell, suspending pine, etc) to prevent to get a "full" shell prompt.

This limitations cannot written in the pine.conf.fixed since "in general"
we do not want such limitations. So we decided that in this /etc/profile
script we'll use the command line parameters to set these limitations.

After it we realized that the command line parameters can be overwritten
by the user if his .pinerc file is writable, we made a workaround on this
problem.

NOW we still have a problem with the configuration parameters. Although
we have the following start line (I wrapped the line only for this mail,
all is in one line of course):

pine -feature-list="no-enable-msg-view-addresses,
no-enable-msg-view-web-hostnames, no-use-subshell-for-suspend,
no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd, no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly,
no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd, no-enable-msg-view-urls, no-enable-suspend,
no-print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt" -editor=/bin/false
-url-viewers=/bin/false -speller=/bin/false -display-filters=''
-sending-filters='' -download-command=/bin/false
-upload-command=/bin/false -image-viewer=/bin/false -ssh-open-timeout=0
-rsh-open-timeout=0

The users STILL CAN GET full shell with the following procedure:

1. From the main menu choose "Help"
2. Search the URL that points to the home web page of the PINE
3. press RETURN to go to this url (this url is highlighted, it means that
it is selectable)
4. in this case Pine asks for the Url-viewer program
5. the user type "/usr/local/bin/bash"
6. He is ready, he's got a SHELL........... :(((((

So, my question:
Is it any possibility to make that address NOT CHOOSABLE, or disable the
entire Help menupoint in the main menu?

Or, perhaps any other tip, how to prevent this possible action?

Thanks in advance

Peter Halasz
system administrator
Budapest University of Technology and Economics
Student Computer Centre
Hungary

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> >From: "S. Alexander Jacobson" <[email protected]>
> >I'm don't think I got an answer for this so I will
> >ask again....
> >
> >How do I get Pine to reconnect after it loses a
> >connection or the session becomes read-only?
>
> At least with an IMAP connection, if you go back to the main menu and reselect
> the folder (i.e. "ML<return>" which should be on your INBOX), it will
> reopen the connection.

Didn't work for me.

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When I view a URL from Pine, it brings up my browser fine. However, I was
wondering if there was a way to get the browser to come up separately,
without 'blocking' Pine (I can't read my email while viewing the URL). I
tried inserting a & in the URL viewer command, but that didn't seem to
work.

Any ideas? I tried searching some of the various FAQs and didn't find
anything on this.

P.S. Is this the appropriate forum for these types of questions?

Allen

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Allen Ziegenfus wrote:

>When I view a URL from Pine, it brings up my browser fine. However, I was
>wondering if there was a way to get the browser to come up separately,
>without 'blocking' Pine (I can't read my email while viewing the URL). I
>tried inserting a & in the URL viewer command, but that didn't seem to
>work.
>
>Any ideas? I tried searching some of the various FAQs and didn't find
>anything on this.

For me it's working only if the browser is already opened. Fo example:

1) Netscape

url-viewers = "/usr/local/bin/netscape -remote 'openURL(_URL_,new-window)'"

2) Opera

url-viewers = "/usr/local/bin/opera -newwindow _URL_"

For the IE I didn't try because there is no IE under Unix. :)

Regards,
Murphy

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Murphy wrote:

> For the IE I didn't try because there is no IE under Unix. :)

Well, there's no IE for the majority of flavors of Unix, but
IE does exist for Solaris and HP-UX machines:

http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Allen Ziegenfus wrote:

> When I view a URL from Pine, it brings up my browser fine. However, I was
> wondering if there was a way to get the browser to come up separately,
> without 'blocking' Pine (I can't read my email while viewing the URL). I
> tried inserting a & in the URL viewer command, but that didn't seem to
> work.

I have a wrapper script (as opposed to trying to do it all via Pine Config)
that's got an "&" in it, and my URL-viewer command comes right back.

-Kenny

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Hello Family,

In reading the O'Reilly's SSH book on using PINE with SSH
(page_403) it makes mention of the options in ~/.pinerc of:

rsh-path=
rsh-command=
rsh-open-timeout=

I don't seem to have those options with my Pine version which is
4.21, can anyone comment on this ?

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Allen Ziegenfus wrote:

> I tried inserting a & in the URL viewer command, but that didn't seem
> to work.

If the viewer command takes any cmd-line parameters, then you should
tell Pine where to put the URL; otherwise it will put it at the end,
making it look like "/path/to/cmd & url" which is probably wrong.

What you want is

url-viewers = /path/to/browser _URL_ &

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Hello,

Found the ssh variable in the file, I was using "grep" to find the
"rsh" chars....

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I have a possible solution for viewing html attachments. Below that I
have a question I would appreciate comments on.

I use pine 4.43 on Solaris, and I can access netscape which is either
already open or not with a simple script.

In my .pinerc I have

url-viewers=3D/stuff/snoke/pine/stuff/pineURL

and then

vtso{snoke}1181: cat pineURL
#!/bin/sh

url=3D`echo $1 | sed -e 's/,/%2C/g'`

if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
if [ -h $HOME/.netscape/lock ]; then
/usr/local/bin/netscape -remote "openURL($url)"
else
/usr/local/bin/netscape "$url" >/dev/null 2>&1 &
fi
fi

vtso{snoke}1182:

A question in return:

How can I view messages from hotmail, etc., which come with

MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/html
Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT

What I see on my Terminal screen (Common Desk Top on Solaris) are lines
like

=A0<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

and then things like smart quotes or m-dashes come out with the
control-sequence form.

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Bill Schoolcraft wrote:

> rsh-path=
> rsh-command=
> rsh-open-timeout=
>
> I don't seem to have those options with my Pine version which is
> 4.21, can anyone comment on this ?

Try turning on 'expose-hidden-config'

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Allen Ziegenfus wrote:

> When I view a URL from Pine, it brings up my browser fine. However, I was
> wondering if there was a way to get the browser to come up separately,
> without 'blocking' Pine (I can't read my email while viewing the URL). I
> tried inserting a & in the URL viewer command, but that didn't seem to
> work.
>
> Any ideas? I tried searching some of the various FAQs and didn't find
> anything on this.
>
> P.S. Is this the appropriate forum for these types of questions?
>
> Allen
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Yes, this has been discussed before.

On *n*x, in my .pinerc I specify "url-viewers=~/bin/ns", and the
"ns" script is:

#!/bin/sh
# short script to invoke netscape from within pine as a background
# process, so pine can continue. Only arg is the URL.
# Author: Ed Arnold <[email protected]> , but modified by Mike Miller & John
# Soper
NETSCAPE=/fs/local/bin/netscape
URL=`echo $1 | sed 's/,/%2C/g'`

#
# handle viewing HTML attachment or message files
#
ATTACH=`echo $URL | grep /tmp/img-HTM | wc -l`
if [ $ATTACH = 1 ]; then
cp $URL ${URL}.html
URL=${URL}.html
fi

if [ -h $HOME/.netscape/lock ]; then
$NETSCAPE -noraise -remote openURL$"$URL"\,new_window$ &
else
$NETSCAPE "$URL" &
fi

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I have PINE 4.33 running under Linux 7.1. If I'm not able trace find
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On Mar 22, 2002, 13:50 (+0530) Sreekumar <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have PINE 4.33 running under Linux 7.1. If I'm not able trace find
> mail.txt where do I track for my INBOX.

If your login is sreekumar, your inbox is usually
someting like /var/mail/sreekumar or /var/spool/mail/sreekumar under unix.

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My account moved to a new mail server yesterday..

and I notice that today my pre-existing mail folders (except INBOX) are
showing up like this:

sent-mail[/]

if I go onto that one, and type R to go into rename mode, the [/] is NOT
showing up.

So what does the [/] mean, and how can I turn it off?

Note, that these actually aren't even directories in the folder list.
The one subdirectory I have is showing up, as expected, with just a / at the
end.

It seems to be pine putting this on, since this isn't showing up in another
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Pine currently turns

imap://whatever

urls into links but it does not turn

imaps://whatever

into a link. It would be great if it did...

Thanks,
Nancy
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Hello everybody interested in the mbox issue:

I had sent a formal request to the pine developers to respond to
this discussion, and this is the answer I got (sorry it's a bit
dated -- I was away).

I guess it would be helpful if all of you who have a stake in this
would send a short message to Mark supporting the idea of having
a user option in the next release!

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Cornelius C. Noack wrote:
> There has been an ongoing discussion about this (specifically
> the suggestion that pcpine provide an option for using the unix
> mbox format also in pcpine).

It is already possible to use the traditional UNIX mailbox format in PC
Pine, and has been possible for many years. If you select a file that is
in traditional UNIX mailbox format, PC Pine will read it without
difficulty.

If you wish to create a new mailbox in traditional UNIX format in PC Pine,
you can do this by prefixing the new mailbox name with "#driver.unix/".
For example, suppose you want to save a message to a new traditional UNIX
format mailbox with name C:\Mail\junk.mbox. You can do this in PC Pine by
entering "#driver.unix/C:\Mail\junk.mbox" to the folder name prompt. Of
course, if your directory for saves is already C:\Mail, then you can
simply enter "#driver.unix/junk.mbox" without the other options.

If you want to avoid typing in "#driver.unix/" all the time, you can
add a new folder collection of "#driver.unix/[]". You will have to edit
your PINERC file manually to add this, and you'll end up with something
like:

folder-collections=mail\[],
mbox-create #driver.unix/mail\[]

The next time you save a message, just use ^N or ^P after the S command to
move to the mbox-create collection, and then type in the new name.

If you want us to change the default mailbox format in PC Pine to be
traditional UNIX mailbox format instead of mbox format, we can't do that.
There are several technical and historic reasons why traditional UNIX
mailbox format is neither the default nor the recommended format in PC
Pine. Furthermore, changing the default format would cause trouble for
the existing installed base of PC Pine users. If we were ever to change
the default format, it would probably be to the format used by Microsoft
IIS SMTP server and not traditional UNIX mailbox format.

What we may be able to do is add an advanced PINERC configuration option
in a future version of PC Pine to allow you to change your default mailbox
format for yourself. However, there are some caveats.

If you change your default mailbox format, you will be running in a
non-recommended configuation which is known to have limitations and
reduced performance, and which is less thoroughly exercised than the
recommended configuration. There is also no guarantee that doing so will
interoperate with any other PC based software which uses traditional UNIX
mbox format. There is no standard for the handling of traditional UNIX
mbox format on the PC, or even for whether the newlines are UNIX-style LF
or PC-style CRLF.

Given these caveats, would a PINERC configuration option be acceptable for
you?

-- Mark --

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> sent-mail[/]

> So what does the [/] mean, and how can I turn it off?

I found a hint on the web
<http://www.inter7.com/courierimap/README.imap.html> that when a
maildir format mailbox, containing both messages and sub-mailboxes, is
shown in the Pine folder list, [.] gets appended to the name of that
mailbox. I'm therefore hazarding a guess that the appearance of a
character in square brackets, after a folder name, is telling you that
the folder is in an unusual (probably message/file rather than
flat-file) format, and the fact that the character is a "/" is telling
you what format (perhaps mh.) Further evidence for this view is at
<http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2001.06/msg00014.html>.

You could try asking the folks at your ISP if they changed any mailbox
formats during the server changeover. If so, information about how to
change them back again is at
<http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html#11.16>.

Good luck

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Pine currently turns
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> imap://whatever
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> into a link. It would be great if it did...

Hi Nancy,

There is no RFC that defines an imaps URL scheme. Are these URLs that you
are trying to generate? With TLS being the preferred way of doing
encrypted connections, a separate URL scheme for secure IMAP is probably
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Jeff

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I seem to often be in the situation where a lot of mail in
a particular folder is junk, but there are some good ones (I filter into
multiple inboxes with procmail). For instance, spam folders, postmaster
folders and cron folders.

So, holding down the "D" key in the index page is a quick way to
delete a block of junk mail.
If there are only a few hundred messages messages, there is no problem.
But with more than that, Pine lags behind the keyboard. Again, not usually
a problem. If I over-run and there are a few good messages I can quickly
back up and undelete the good ones.

I just had a situation (it's happened a few times before) where I've had
5000 junk messages with blocks of hundreds of good ones interspersed.
The best thing, I guess, would for me to have written a better filter in
the first place, or to intelligently re-filter the folder after the fact.

To cut a long story short (or not, as the case may be), I'd like the
"U" key to behave like the "D" key so that I can quickly undelete
deleted blocks of messages

(BTW, anyone know of a post-filter program, preferably something that
will feed procmail or use procmail rules ?)

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A workaround would be to use the single message Select cmd ":", which does
advance to the next msg... then Apply Undelete.

-teg

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Andrew Daviel wrote:

>
> I seem to often be in the situation where a lot of mail in
> a particular folder is junk, but there are some good ones (I filter into
> multiple inboxes with procmail). For instance, spam folders, postmaster
> folders and cron folders.
>
> So, holding down the "D" key in the index page is a quick way to
> delete a block of junk mail.
> If there are only a few hundred messages messages, there is no problem.
> But with more than that, Pine lags behind the keyboard. Again, not usually
> a problem. If I over-run and there are a few good messages I can quickly
> back up and undelete the good ones.
>
> I just had a situation (it's happened a few times before) where I've had
> 5000 junk messages with blocks of hundreds of good ones interspersed.
> The best thing, I guess, would for me to have written a better filter in
> the first place, or to intelligently re-filter the folder after the fact.
>
> To cut a long story short (or not, as the case may be), I'd like the
> "U" key to behave like the "D" key so that I can quickly undelete
> deleted blocks of messages
>
> (BTW, anyone know of a post-filter program, preferably something that
> will feed procmail or use procmail rules ?)
>
>

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You can use formail, part of the procmail package,
to separate a box into individual messages and
then process them one by one, such as by feeding
them into procmail (specifying a different
procmailrc on the command line or using the main
one which has presumably just become smarter).

(As they go by, formail is willing to mung the
headers in interesting ways.)

If "man procmail" works, so should "man formail".

dan

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Andrew Daviel wrote:

>
> I seem to often be in the situation where a lot of mail in
> a particular folder is junk, but there are some good ones (I filter into
> multiple inboxes with procmail). For instance, spam folders, postmaster
> folders and cron folders.
>
> So, holding down the "D" key in the index page is a quick way to
> delete a block of junk mail.
> If there are only a few hundred messages messages, there is no problem.
> But with more than that, Pine lags behind the keyboard. Again, not usually
> a problem. If I over-run and there are a few good messages I can quickly
> back up and undelete the good ones.
>
> I just had a situation (it's happened a few times before) where I've had
> 5000 junk messages with blocks of hundreds of good ones interspersed.
> The best thing, I guess, would for me to have written a better filter in
> the first place, or to intelligently re-filter the folder after the fact.
>
> To cut a long story short (or not, as the case may be), I'd like the
> "U" key to behave like the "D" key so that I can quickly undelete
> deleted blocks of messages
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I'm trying to use emacs with auto-fill-mode as my alternate editor in
Pine. This means that I need to put "-f auto-fill-mode" on the
command line after the name of the file emacs is supposed to open.
Does the editor variable have some equivalent of the url-viewers
variable's _URL_, which I can use to specify where the filename goes.

Thanks

Dan Hatton

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Dan Hatton wrote:
> I'm trying to use emacs with auto-fill-mode as my alternate editor in
> Pine. This means that I need to put "-f auto-fill-mode" on the
> command line after the name of the file emacs is supposed to open.

There's another way to do it. Pine's composition buffers are
saved with a name matching the regexp "pico.[0-9]+". I put two
commands in my .emacs file: the first tells emacs to use
text-mode when editing pine's composition buffers, and the second
causes all text-mode buffers to enable auto-fill mode.

;;; Use text-mode for pine composition buffers.
(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("pico.[0-9]+$" . text-mode) auto-mode-alist))

;;; Buffers in text-mode should have auto-fill-mode set.
(defun jm-text-mode-funcs ()
"Functions useful in text-mode-hook."
(auto-fill-mode 1))
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'jm-text-mode-funcs)

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Mark Montague wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Murphy wrote:
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>> For the IE I didn't try because there is no IE under Unix. :)
>
>Well, there's no IE for the majority of flavors of Unix, but
>IE does exist for Solaris and HP-UX machines:
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> http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie

I know this, but it is not installed in my environment, then I don't
know how to use it from Pine.

Regards,
Murphy

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>On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Dan Hatton wrote:
>> I'm trying to use emacs with auto-fill-mode as my alternate editor in
>> Pine. This means that I need to put "-f auto-fill-mode" on the
>> command line after the name of the file emacs is supposed to open.
>
>
>There's another way to do it. Pine's composition buffers are
>saved with a name matching the regexp "pico.[0-9]+". I put two
>commands in my .emacs file: the first tells emacs to use
>text-mode when editing pine's composition buffers, and the second
>causes all text-mode buffers to enable auto-fill mode.
>
>
>;;; Use text-mode for pine composition buffers.
>(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("pico.[0-9]+$" . text-mode) auto-mode-alist))
>
>;;; Buffers in text-mode should have auto-fill-mode set.
>(defun jm-text-mode-funcs ()
> "Functions useful in text-mode-hook."
> (auto-fill-mode 1))
>(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'jm-text-mode-funcs)

Any luck using this with PC Pine?

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Hi,

The problem is that somebody of the people who receive my emails
complain that I shouldn't use the

"Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE"

method for encoding the content of my emails because the OEv6 can't
handle the emails quotes and this person had to put the quote signs
manually.

When I send any email using non special international characters, the
Pine automatically takes the "charset=US-ASCII". If there are some
international characters, then the Pine takes:

charset=iso-8859-2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

And there is no way to change the encoding method into a 8bit like this:

charset="iso-8859-2"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Any ideas how to do this?

Regards,
Murphy

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On Mar 28, 2002, 16:22 (+0100) Murphy <[email protected]> wrote:

> The problem is that somebody of the people who receive my emails
> complain that I shouldn't use the
>
> =09"Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE"
>
> method for encoding the content of my emails because the OEv6 can't
> handle the emails quotes and this person had to put the quote signs
> manually.

What are "email quotes"? In any case, OEv6 seems to be broken...

> When I send any email using non special international characters, the
> Pine automatically takes the "charset=3DUS-ASCII". If there are some
> international characters, then the Pine takes:
>
> =09charset=3Diso-8859-2
> =09Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
>
> And there is no way to change the encoding method into a 8bit like this:
>
> =09charset=3D"iso-8859-2"
> =09Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Or

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DISO-8859-2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

to be correct.

8bit characters is only OK if the sending and receiving MTA's can
correctly handle 8bit charachters. If you use sendmail, you can have it
convert between 8bit and quoted-printable, and only use quoted-printable
when needed. You can try the following setting

[x] enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation

to see if it helps.

Mats

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:

>What are "email quotes"? In any case, OEv6 seems to be broken...

OE is broken anyway. ;) I have no chance to check it because I have no
OE installed.

>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
>to be correct.

OK, but where to set this in the Pine to force it for such encoding
type? In the normal settings there are no way to put such thing, and
also just creating a rule with such header doesn't seems to work.

>8bit characters is only OK if the sending and receiving MTA's can
>correctly handle 8bit characters. If you use sendmail, you can have it
>convert between 8bit and quoted-printable, and only use quoted-printable
>when needed. You can try the following setting
>
>[x] enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
>
>to see if it helps.

This option is always turned like this - no effect, the mails are
always contain the "Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE" field
in the header (I checked the send-mail folder for that). It looks like
there is no way to negotiate the 8bit way of encoding for the ISO-8859-2
font set. :(

Regards,
Murphy

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Hi, Michael, :)

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Michael D. Walker wrote:
> >On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Dan Hatton wrote:

> >There's another way to do it. Pine's composition buffers are saved
> >with a name matching the regexp "pico.[0-9]+". I put two commands
> >in my .emacs file: the first tells emacs to use text-mode when
> >editing pine's composition buffers, and the second causes all
> >text-mode buffers to enable auto-fill mode.

> >;;; Use text-mode for pine composition buffers.
> >(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("pico.[0-9]+$" . text-mode) auto-mode-alist))
> >
> >;;; Buffers in text-mode should have auto-fill-mode set.
> >(defun jm-text-mode-funcs ()
> > "Functions useful in text-mode-hook."
> > (auto-fill-mode 1))
> >(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'jm-text-mode-funcs)

> Any luck using this with PC Pine?

I use PC-Pine and had worked out a rather convoluted process for
enabling auto-fill in my PC-Pine editing buffers (using 'gnudoit' from
the gnuserv package). After reading Dan's note, however, I
immediately switched over to this simpler, more obvious style! And,
yes, I got it to work.

>From what I can tell, PC-Pine uses a temp file of this format:

"aeNNNNNN.txt"

So, you should be able to use Dan's stuff straight out of the box if
you change the filename match expression from "pico..." to
"ae[0-9]+\\.txt".

It worked for me on the first try, a major accomplishment for this
elisp newbie. :) Thanks, Dan!

---Jason
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http://www.sonos.org/

P.S. - I noticed that Emacs' default auto-mode-alist includes a match
expression for "\\.te?xt", so you might not even need the '(setq
auto-mode...' command.

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Thanks for all the praise, but it was Jacob's idea, not mine.

Dan

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> It worked for me on the first try, a major accomplishment for this
> elisp newbie. :) Thanks, Dan!

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I tried to send this once already, but I wasn't subscribed to the list.
So, this is my second try...

---

Is there a way to change the foreground color for objects in pine without
also having to set a background color?

I'm using pine on FreeBSD, connecting from a Mac OS X box running
Terminal. The behavior I've been experiencing is:

1) In order for things to look okay in color mode, I have to set
the background color of my terminal application to the same
color as most of the background colors in pine or else
everything looks weird.

2) If I use transparent terminal windows, the parts of the screen
that are drawn with text are not transparent. Instead, they
are a solid background color.

3) When I select text with the mouse, to paste into another
application, for example, the parts of the screen that have
text do not change at all from my highlighting. They remain
the same foreground and background color as they were, making
it very hard to distinguish what I selected.

For those not familiar with Terminal, this is a standard terminal
application, not an xterm. My terminal type is set to vt100 on both the
Mac and on the FreeBSD box that I am sshing to and then running pine.

I don't know if the problem that I'm experiencing is specifically
something wrong with pine. However, I do know that I don't experience the
same behavior in my shell on either machine using GNU ls with colors.

I am making the assumption that if you could set the foreground color in
pine without also having to specify a new background color (just taking
what the background of the terminal window is) that I would not be having
this problem.

I am also making the assumption that the methods used by pine and GNU ls
to display colors are similar enough that they can be compared in this
way.

If anyone has anything that might help me, I'd love to hear about it. I'd
also be interested to hear if anyone else experiences this. It is hard to
find someone with the same setup I have who also uses pine and also uses
colors.

One last thing... if you don't include the things I mentioned above
(selecting text and using transparent windows), if I have the colors setup
so the background color of my window matches the default background color
setting in pine, I have no other display issues. I mention this because I
saw a bunch of people talking about color display issues on FreeBSD, and
I'm not having any of those same issues.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Hi,

I have set the [X] enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation and I know that the
SMTP server which is used to send a e-mail is able to use 8bit. I
checked it using a command line way from a shell:

=09echo "=B1=E6=B1=E6=B1" | mailx piotr

I got an email like this:

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=B1=E6=B1=E6=B1

When I'm using the Pine 4.40 for this same type of e-mail, the Pina
can't negotiate 8bit and always use the QUOTED-PRINTABLE method to send
this message:

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The problem is that some of my recipients can't handle correctly the
e-mails were they contain a QUOTED-PRINTABLE encoded content. From my
possition I have no idea how to force a Pine to use 8bit explicitly, or
use the external program for sending the emails. I found only the
"sending filters" which are not designed for such tasks.

Is there a chance to send a text content with other set of chars
using 8bit encoding method?

Regards,
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On Mar 29, 2002, 17:05 (+0100) Murphy <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have set the [X] enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation and I know that the
> SMTP server which is used to send a e-mail is able to use 8bit. I
> checked it using a command line way from a shell:
>
> =09echo "=B1=E6=B1=E6=B1" | mailx piotr
>
> I got an email like this:
>
> Return-Path: <[email protected]>
> Received: from caladium.sonytel.be (mail.sonytel.be [10.17.0.27])
> by mail.sonytel.be (8.9.0/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13963
> for <[email protected]>; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:46:47 +0100 (M=
ET)
> Received: (from piotr@localhost)
> by caladium.sonytel.be (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g2TFkl100015
> for piotr; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:46:47 +0100 (MET)
> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:46:47 +0100 (MET)
> From: Piotr Martyniuk <[email protected]>
> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
>
> =B1=E6=B1=E6=B1

What mailx and your server does is to let the 8 bit codes pass without any
character set information (that is, they are not characters, just code
points). Note that there is no MIME version information.

That mail is against the mail protcol, because the only legal way to send
mail with other character sets than ASCII is to send them according to the
MIME protocol (which permits 8 bit code points).

> When I'm using the Pine 4.40 for this same type of e-mail, the Pina
> can't negotiate 8bit and always use the QUOTED-PRINTABLE method to send
> this message:

No, I do not think that is a correct interpretation. My guess is that the
SMTP server does not signal that it is prepared to accept 8 bit code
points according to the ESMTP extentions of SMTP.

> MIME-Version: 1.0

Must exist in a mail according to the MIME protocol, which is the only
legal way to send anything but ASCII characters.

Mats

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> No, I do not think that is a correct interpretation. My guess is that the
> SMTP server does not signal that it is prepared to accept 8 bit code
> points according to the ESMTP extentions of SMTP.

I looked into this only far enough to see that mail.sonytel.be
does in fact give a 250 "8BITMIME" answer in response to an EHLO
verb; that response suggests that the server *is* prepared to do
8-bit communication.

Perhaps you could run pine with a high level of debugging output,
and examine the debug log to see what pine does when it sends
mail. If I run "pine -d 7", my log (~/.pine-debug1) has lines of
the form:

IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: EHLO localhost
[...]
IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: 250-8BITMIME
[...]
IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: MAIL FROM:<[email protected]>
IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: 250 <[email protected]>... Sender ok
IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: RCPT TO:<[email protected]>
IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: 250 <[email protected]>... Recipient ok
IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: DATA

For comparison, rfc1652 specifies that an 8BITMIME communication
needs to specify "BODY=8BITMIME" with the MAIL FROM command:

C: EHLO ymir.claremont.edu
S: 250-dbc.mtview.ca.us says hello
S: 250 8BITMIME
C: MAIL FROM:<[email protected]> BODY=8BITMIME
S: 250 <[email protected]>... Sender and 8BITMIME ok
C: RCPT TO:<[email protected]>
S: 250 <[email protected]>... Recipient ok
C: DATA

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Jacob Morzinski wrote:
> IMAP DEBUG 12:59:27 3/29: MAIL FROM:<[email protected]>

I should clarify that I performed this test with the
enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation feature turned off. If I turn
it on and send myself mail, my debuglevel 7 log shows
IMAP DEBUG 13:14:49 3/29: MAIL FROM:<[email protected]> BODY=8BITMIME

and the mail arrives with headers:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1
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Hi all,

When I run pine I have to write my password to connect an IMAP server. I use {server_name/user=username}/path_to_inbox. I don't want to write the password any time that I run pine. What I have to do?

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On Mar 29, 2002, 13:07 (-0500) Jacob Morzinski <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> > No, I do not think that is a correct interpretation. My guess is that t=
he
> > SMTP server does not signal that it is prepared to accept 8 bit code
> > points according to the ESMTP extentions of SMTP.
>
> I looked into this only far enough to see that mail.sonytel.be
> does in fact give a 250 "8BITMIME" answer in response to an EHLO
> verb; that response suggests that the server *is* prepared to do
> 8-bit communication.

I came to the same conclusion, but since Murphy did not get any 8 bit
connection through I thought that it be that did not use the same SMTP
server on the inside of his firewall.

The SMTP server on mail.sonytel.be [193.74.243.200] signals 8BITMIME. What
about 10.17.0.26 and 10.17.0.27? 10.17.0.27 seems to be the inside of
193.74.243.200, but maybe it isn't so?

Murphy! Can you connect to 193.74.243.200?

Mats

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