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Hello Sir,

Thanks for reply,

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Bob Rasmussen wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, S Bharathi wrote:
> > If any plan to include i18n support in Pine.
> > If yes, Anybody is currently working in this area ?
>
> * I have configured Pine to use "display-filters", such that messages on
> certain charsets are sent through "iconv" (available in Linux) to translate to
> UTF-8.

What is display-filters ? I have no idea about it.

> * I patched Pine so that it does not clear-screen before and after using a
> display-filter.

I did some modification in pine4.33 with Gettext for I18N. Whatever i
did is only for menu and error mesg . Nothing for Encoding because i have
very less knowledge about it.

> * I have not yet figured out how to make Pine translate headers, such as the
> "From:" and "Subject:" lines, according to their embedded charset identifiers.
> In fact, these can sometimes confuse the UTF rendering in Anzio. This is the
> highest priority for me.

Yes, I am also having same problem and Refresh probelm in keymenu.

> Regards,
> ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.

If you need i will send the scr shot of modified pine, pico & pilot.

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, S Bharathi wrote:

> What is display-filters ? I have no idea about it.

This is a feature built into Pine (for Unix) that lets you send certain
messages through a Unix filter before being displayed. See the ".pinerc". For
instance, mine reads:

display-filters=_charset(big5)_ ~/viewutf8 big5,
_charset(windows-1250)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1250,
_charset(windows-1251)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1251,
_charset(windows-1252)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1252,
_charset(windows-1253)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1253,
_charset(windows-1254)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1254,
_charset(windows-1255)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1255,
_charset(windows-1256)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1256,
_charset(windows-1257)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1257,
_charset(us-ascii)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1252,
_charset(iso-8859-1)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-1,
_charset(iso-8859-2)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-2,
_charset(iso-8859-3)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-3,
_charset(iso-8859-4)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-4,
_charset(iso-8859-5)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-5,
_charset(iso-8859-6)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-6,
_charset(iso-8859-7)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-7,
_charset(iso-8859-8)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-8,
_charset(iso-8859-9)_ ~/viewutf8 iso-8859-9,
_charset(gb2312)_ ~/viewutf8 gb2312,
_charset(koi8-r)_ ~/viewutf8 koi8-r

The "viewutf8" is a one-line script that reads:
iconv --from-code=$1 --to-code=utf-8

So for instance, if Pine is displaying a message with a charset of gb2312
(Chinese), it sends it through iconv (included with Linux, available for
others) to convert it to UTF-8 (Unicode), which the telnet client can display.

Regards,
...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.

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A little late piping up in this thread, sorry...

> With color support turned on (no matter which one of the three options
> that are available is selected), the screen gets pretty much messed up. All
> lines seem to get redrawn exactly one line below their original position.
> As a result of that, the entries in pine's menues get displayed twice, and
> that just looks kind of strange.

I've been complaining about this bug since 4.20. Somebody sent me a patch
for it and said he submitted it, but it was never committed. I don't
want to be a pest, but I have to apply that patch with each new version.
Is there a way to find out what's going on with this?

By the way, the fix is to change line 210 in pine/screen.c from
"if(i == 1 && !label_color)" to
"if(i == 1)".

I've lost the name of the fellow who sent it to me, unfortunately...
hopefully he's still on this list.

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Nancy McGough wrote:

NM> On 27 Dec 2001 Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote:
NM> > I have a laptop that I bring to and from the office with me. It uses RH
NM> > 7.1, with Pine 4.43, patched with Eduardo's excellent fancy thread patch.
NM>
NM> Here are 3 possible solutions.
NM>
NM> 1] In your pinerc, set
NM>
NM> smtp-server=localhost
NM>
NM> and then set up ssh port forwarding to forward your machine's
NM> port 25 to your work machine's SMTP server. This should then work
NM> whether you are at home or work because the requests to your work
NM> SMTP server will appear to be local.
NM>
NM> I've done this with PC-Pine and SecureCRT port forwarding but
NM> I've never done it from a Linux box. If anyone has successfully
NM> done this on *nix, I'd appreciate info so I can 1) try it and 2)
NM> add info about it in my Using Port Forwarding with Pine, which is
NM> here
NM>
NM> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ssh>

For this, ssh needs to be run by root - ports 25 and 143 (if you're also
forwarding imap) are privileged ports.

I've used:

"ssh -l <myaccount> -L 25:my.mail.host:25 -L 143:my.mail.host:143 my.host.name"

(that's one line - watch for linewrap)

Again, this is run by root (it *is* your own linux box, right?), but the
'-l accountname' can be an ordinary user on the remote host.

c
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Cliff Green wrote:

> NM> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ssh>
>
> For this, ssh needs to be run by root - ports 25 and 143 (if you're
> also forwarding imap) are privileged ports.

They are privileged ports (as is anything less than 1024), but you don't
have to bind to those ports. You can forward to other ports like 1043,
1025 etc. and then add the port number to the server specification, eg:

smtp-server=3Dlocalhost:2250/user=3Dxyzzy

Tr=E8s simple, no?

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Bruce Cohen wrote:
> [Error writing scratch file at byte 8191][><][]

Are you out of disk space on /tmp or /var/tmp?

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

GS> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Cliff Green wrote:
GS>
GS> > NM> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ssh>
GS> >
GS> > For this, ssh needs to be run by root - ports 25 and 143 (if you're
GS> > also forwarding imap) are privileged ports.
GS>
GS> They are privileged ports (as is anything less than 1024), but you don't
GS> have to bind to those ports. You can forward to other ports like 1043,
GS> 1025 etc. and then add the port number to the server specification, eg:
GS>
GS> smtp-server=localhost:2250/user=xyzzy

Yeah, I guess you could take that route. I just prefer making ssh do the
work and let it be transparent to the client(s). YMMV.

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I have no idea - how can I tell? (for the future, that is - whatever was
wrong has been fixed - about 12 hours after this started everything
collapsed at worldonline/tiscali and it took another half day before
they got things back up and running)

I take it then that this isn't a bug but known pine behavior...

Thanks for responding

Bruce Cohen

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> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Bruce Cohen wrote:
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>
> Are you out of disk space on /tmp or /var/tmp?
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote:
> I have no idea - how can I tell?

"df /tmp" or "df /var/tmp" will show you how much disk is available on
/tmp and /var/tmp respectively.

> I take it then that this isn't a bug but known pine behavior...

"Error writing scratch file" is a legitimate error when a tmp directory is
filled.

A Pine crash is not.

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So why the abort and core dump -any ideas?

You seem to imply that it shouldn't have happened...

Bruce

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> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote:
> > I have no idea - how can I tell?
>
> "df /tmp" or "df /var/tmp" will show you how much disk is available on
> /tmp and /var/tmp respectively.
>
> > I take it then that this isn't a bug but known pine behavior...
>
> "Error writing scratch file" is a legitimate error when a tmp directory is
> filled.
>
> A Pine crash is not.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
>
>
>

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:30 +0100 (MET), Bruce Cohen wrote:
> So why the abort and core dump -any ideas?
>
> You seem to imply that it shouldn't have happened...

That's right. An abort/dump should never happen.

As for "why"...do you have a stack trace or any other form of gdb/dbx analysis
of the dump? Many times, problems such as this aren't reproducable here.

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No, how do I do that? (I assume it's too late this time)

I could send the core, I still have the last one (all others gone) - it's
slightly over 1 meg, the previous ones were under...

Bruce

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Mark Crispin wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:30 +0100 (MET), Bruce Cohen wrote:
> > So why the abort and core dump -any ideas?
> >
> > You seem to imply that it shouldn't have happened...
>
> That's right. An abort/dump should never happen.
>
> As for "why"...do you have a stack trace or any other form of gdb/dbx analysis
> of the dump? Many times, problems such as this aren't reproducable here.
>
>
>

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:29:04 +0100 (MET), Bruce Cohen wrote:
> No, how do I do that? (I assume it's too late this time)

If you have gdb on your system:

gdb path_of_Pine_binary path_of_core_file

The output from the command command "info stack" is useful as a start. There
may be other things that are also useful.

> I could send the core, I still have the last one (all others gone) - it's
> slightly over 1 meg, the previous ones were under...

Unfortunately, it's useless to mail core files to us unless we have the same
system type and the exact same Pine binary.

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Hi,

Our Dept. has a Windows 2000 Mail Server. I try to install Pine
on Unix (Solaris 8) workstations. All these Unix users are still
supported by this Windows 2000 Mail Server.

Now I have some questions:

(1) Why can I send email to other users, but I can't receive email
from other users? For a test, I send the email to myself, but I
still can't receive it?

(2) I downloaded the binary codes of pine-bin.sun58 and imapd-bin.sun58.
Where can I find the files of pine.info, pine.conf, and pine.conf.fixed?

Thanks,
Hong

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Hong Tian wrote:

> (1) Why can I send email to other users, but I can't receive email
> from other users? For a test, I send the email to myself, but I
> still can't receive it?

What is your inbox set to? My guess is that the default is the local
mail spool file. Since your mail server is the Exchange Server, you
should try to access that via IMAP or POP.

(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig
inbox-path = {your.exchange.server}

If your user name is different on the Unix boxes than the exchange
server, then change the server definition to

{your.exchange.server/user=xyzzy}

where xyzzy is your login name on the Exchange server.

> Where can I find the files of pine.info, pine.conf, and
> pine.conf.fixed?

pine.conf and pine.conf.fixed contain global options for all users.
pine.conf is overrideable, while pine.conf.fixed is not.

pine.info is optional. It should contain text that tells people to
contact the local support team for help. If it doesn't exist, it won't
harm anything.

For further info on the first two files, take a look at the tech-notes
for Pine configuration:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/config.html

--
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Gopi,

(1) It works after setting up inbox-path correctly.

(2) After running pine command, a file named .pinerc created
for each user automatically. I can't find pine.info in PINE package.
Should I copy .pinerc to pine.info, or create a new pine.info?

Thanks for your help.
Hong

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Hong Tian wrote:

> (1) Why can I send email to other users, but I can't receive email
> from other users? For a test, I send the email to myself, but I
> still can't receive it?

What is your inbox set to? My guess is that the default is the local
mail spool file. Since your mail server is the Exchange Server, you
should try to access that via IMAP or POP.

(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig
inbox-path = {your.exchange.server}

If your user name is different on the Unix boxes than the exchange
server, then change the server definition to

{your.exchange.server/user=xyzzy}

where xyzzy is your login name on the Exchange server.

> Where can I find the files of pine.info, pine.conf, and
> pine.conf.fixed?

pine.conf and pine.conf.fixed contain global options for all users.
pine.conf is overrideable, while pine.conf.fixed is not.

pine.info is optional. It should contain text that tells people to
contact the local support team for help. If it doesn't exist, it won't
harm anything.

For further info on the first two files, take a look at the tech-notes
for Pine configuration:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/config.html

--
Gopi Sundaram
[email protected]
http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Hong Tian wrote:

> (2) After running pine command, a file named .pinerc created for
> each user automatically.

This is normal. It is the default config file for all users. If you want
to set certain settings that all users will want, such as their inbox
path, you should set that in the pine.conf file. For example, the
pine.conf file for my department looks like this:

smtp-server=smtp.cse.sc.edu
inbox-path={imap.cse.sc.edu/ssl}
nntp-server=news.cse.sc.edu
character-set=iso-8859-1

So for all users, unless they override these settings in their .pinerc
files, these will be the defaults.

The contents of the pine.conf.fixed file are:

rsh-open-timeout=0

Users cannot override this at all in their .pinerc file.

> I can't find pine.info in PINE package. Should I copy .pinerc to
> pine.info, or create a new pine.info?

As I stated before, the file is optional. Read the tech-notes for Pine
to see what it should contain. I gave you a URL in a previous message.

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hi,

To get pine.conf type:

pine -conf > pine.conf

and u will get a fresh pine.conf file.

for more info try:

pine --help

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Hong Tian wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Our Dept. has a Windows 2000 Mail Server. I try to install Pine
> on Unix (Solaris 8) workstations. All these Unix users are still
> supported by this Windows 2000 Mail Server.
>
> Now I have some questions:
>
> (1) Why can I send email to other users, but I can't receive email
> from other users? For a test, I send the email to myself, but I
> still can't receive it?
>
> (2) I downloaded the binary codes of pine-bin.sun58 and imapd-bin.sun58.
> Where can I find the files of pine.info, pine.conf, and pine.conf.fixed?
>
> Thanks,
> Hong
>
>
>

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Bob Rasmussen wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, S Bharathi wrote:

> > What is display-filters ? I have no idea about it.
> .pinerc File:

> display-filters=_charset(big5)_ ~/viewutf8 big5,
> _charset(windows-1250)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1250,
[ snip ]

> Regards,
> ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.

Very Nice Feature. :)

Kindly give your suggestions to proceed my work.
How to apply the modification i doing for P4.33 to New Versions ?

Thank you,
Regards,
Bharathi S.

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Hi,

I install the pine on Unix (Solaris 8) workstations which
can receive email from our Exchange IMAP Server. But when
I change "IMAP Site Defaults Properties" from "Basic (Clear Text)"
to "Basic (Clear Text) using SSL", the Unix user couldn't login
the Exchange server anymore.

Should I use encryption version of pine to resolve it or are there
other solutions?

Thanks,
Hong
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How could Unix Pine clients access Exchange server with SSL?
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Couldn't you wait two hours for a reply? This is a mailing list spanning
many time zones, and people are under no obligation to answer you
anyway. Have some patience, and lower your expectations. And stop
posting the same question multiple times to the list.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Hong Tian wrote:

> How could Unix Pine clients access Exchange server with SSL?

The server definition should be

your.mail.server/ssl

You may need to add the /pop3 and/or /user= flags as well. If you are
using a self-signed certificate, then you may also have to add the
/novalidate-cert flag.

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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Arun Prabhakaran wrote:

> To get pine.conf type:
>
> pine -conf > pine.conf
>
> and u will get a fresh pine.conf file.

Yes, but the output of pine.conf is overkill. There is a whole bunch of
empty definitions which could be left out, and other unnecessary verbage
totalling about 16kB. With just the options I need it it for my site,
the pine.conf file is 195 bytes.

Pine needs to parse these files at startup. Why slow it down?

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*** Gopi Sundaram ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Couldn't you wait two hours for a reply? This is a mailing list
:) spanning many time zones, and people are under no obligation to answer
:) you anyway. Have some patience, and lower your expectations. And stop
:) posting the same question multiple times to the list.

Dear Gopi,

Can you send this type of comment (that is to say, something that makes
you angry which is not related to Pine) in personal e-mail rather than
send it to the list?, I personally dislike to read them.

Thank you for your consideration

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Hello;

I am new to this list. I am a former user of Pine. I am anxious to
no if any of you knows about whether or not a Pine for Windows or
WindowsCe exists? I rather enjoyed the speed and functionality of
Pine. Its something current versions of popular email programs are
lacking.

Any help will beappreciated.

Jonn
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Hello,

I believe PCPine's pinerc does not store the script setting in the font
selection dialog (Config->Set Window Font). May I suggest this be fixed in
the future if that is the case? This setting is important in Windows (2000
and later) because it allows PCPine to use display non-English messages
with the correct font installed.

Without persistence, the font script has to be set manually every time
Pine launches. But if the Normal font color is not one of the 16 standard
colors shown in the dialog, then it will be changed. This is undesirable
because then the color has to be changed manually in the color setup...

I realize this may be a rare case as well as windows specific, but please
consider storing the font script in pinerc in the future. Thanks!

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On 4 Jan 2002 John Wolf ([email protected]) wrote:
> I am a former user of Pine. I am anxious to
> no if any of you knows about whether or not a Pine for Windows or
> WindowsCe exists? I rather enjoyed the speed and functionality of
> Pine. Its something current versions of popular email programs are
> lacking.

Pine exists for MS Windows but afaik it doesn't exist for WinCE.
I have exhaustive instructions for setting up PC-Pine for Power
users here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/>

I've just updated so it now includes some info about the euro
sign and a lot more...

Hope you like PC-Pine's speed and functionality!
Nancy
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Thanks I will give it a shot.

John

At 11:06 AM +0000 1/5/02, Nancy McGough wrote:
>On 4 Jan 2002 John Wolf ([email protected]) wrote:
>> I am a former user of Pine. I am anxious to
>> no if any of you knows about whether or not a Pine for Windows or
>> WindowsCe exists? I rather enjoyed the speed and functionality of
>> Pine. Its something current versions of popular email programs are
>> lacking.
>
>Pine exists for MS Windows but afaik it doesn't exist for WinCE.
>I have exhaustive instructions for setting up PC-Pine for Power
>users here
>
> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/>
>
>I've just updated so it now includes some info about the euro
>sign and a lot more...
>
>Hope you like PC-Pine's speed and functionality!
>Nancy
>^x
>
>
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PC-Pine does not appear to render html
messages correctly unless they have a charset.

So this works:
content-type: text/html; charset="ascii"

But this doesn't:
content-type: text/html

Any fix?

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I'm having some weirdnesses with bolding so I looked in my pinerc
to try to figure out what was going on. I discovered this in my
feature-list

selectable-item-nobold

What is this feature and why is it not available in the Pine
Config screen and not mentioned anywhere on the PIC?

Thanks,
Nancy
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Hello Everyone,

I was playing with setting up an alternate role when I post news.
I went to the signature location line, typed in the full path to the sig
file I wanted, but it shows blank in the composer. Literal sigs work fine.
I checked and double-checked to no avail. I'm running 4.43. Any thoughts?

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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, S Bharathi wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Bob Rasmussen wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, S Bharathi wrote:
>
> > > What is display-filters ? I have no idea about it.
> > .pinerc File:
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> > display-filters=_charset(big5)_ ~/viewutf8 big5,
> > _charset(windows-1250)_ ~/viewutf8 windows-1250,
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> > Regards,
> > ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.
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> Very Nice Feature. :)
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> Kindly give your suggestions to proceed my work.
> How to apply the modification i doing for P4.33 to New Versions ?

There are some automated ways of comparing files ("diff") and merging the
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released versions in the same area. My own approach is just to comment my
changes in such a way that I can grep for them, and then reapply them
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Hi Pineusers!

Is there a way to get a reasonable overview of which mailfolders contains new
email, and get Pine to report new mail in all (or some chosen) mailfolders?

I saw an e-mail about this in the list back in nov -99 but that was never answered.....

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Is there an easy way to send multiple attachments with Unix pine without
typing in all of the names of the files? When you press control-t, is
there a way to select multiple filenames instead of going back to the
composition screen and having to hit control-t and s multiple times.
Thanks.

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>Is there an easy way to send multiple attachments with Unix pine without
>typing in all of the names of the files? When you press control-t, is
>there a way to select multiple filenames instead of going back to the
>composition screen and having to hit control-t and s multiple times.

My simply solution is:
1) open pine in the right directory
2) type from the oter terminal in this directory:

for i in `/bin/ls` ; do echo -n "$i, "; done

3) copy the output of this command into the "Attachment" field (without
the last coma)

That's it.

But it would by nice to have a choice to select more tan one attachment
from the file browser like it is for example in the addressbook when we
select more than one address at the time.

Regards,
Murhy

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Daniel Wiberg wrote:

> Is there a way to get a reasonable overview of which mailfolders
> contains new email, and get Pine to report new mail in all (or some
> chosen) mailfolders?

FAQ.

http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/other.html#filtermail

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This feature is not controlled from the Setup/Config screen. If you go to
Setup/Kolor and look at Selectable-item Color, you will see that you can
have the selected item be bold or not. The feature selectable-item-nobold
is where pine stores this configuration information.

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On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> I'm having some weirdnesses with bolding so I looked in my pinerc
> to try to figure out what was going on. I discovered this in my
> feature-list
>
> selectable-item-nobold
>
> What is this feature and why is it not available in the Pine
> Config screen and not mentioned anywhere on the PIC?
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy
> ^x

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Whenever I choose to compose a new message and not
continue composing a suspended message, I
experience a very high latency before I am allowed
to start writing. Any idea why?

I am using PCPIne 4.43 with SSL

-Alex-

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The messed up display happens because your terminal emulator scrolls when
a character is written to the bottom right hand character cell. Pine
writes in that cell if you have the KeyLabel color set in order to color
the background. We used to not write that last cell and several people
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which it was.

You can fix it by turning of KeyLabel Color. You might be able to fix it
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Kim Scarborough wrote:

> A little late piping up in this thread, sorry...
>
> > With color support turned on (no matter which one of the three options
> > that are available is selected), the screen gets pretty much messed up. All
> > lines seem to get redrawn exactly one line below their original position.
> > As a result of that, the entries in pine's menues get displayed twice, and
> > that just looks kind of strange.
>
> I've been complaining about this bug since 4.20. Somebody sent me a patch
> for it and said he submitted it, but it was never committed. I don't
> want to be a pest, but I have to apply that patch with each new version.
> Is there a way to find out what's going on with this?
>
> By the way, the fix is to change line 210 in pine/screen.c from
> "if(i == 1 && !label_color)" to
> "if(i == 1)".
>
> I've lost the name of the fellow who sent it to me, unfortunately...
> hopefully he's still on this list.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kim Scarborough http://www.unknown.nu/kim/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Try running pine with command line flags

pine -dverbose=9,timestamp,imap=4

and then look for the delay in the debug file. This should give you a clue
about where the delay is happening.

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, S. Alexander Jacobson wrote:

> Whenever I choose to compose a new message and not
> continue composing a suspended message, I
> experience a very high latency before I am allowed
> to start writing. Any idea why?
>
> I am using PCPIne 4.43 with SSL
>
> -Alex-
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> S. Alexander Jacobson i2x Media
> 1-212-787-1914 voice 1-603-288-1280 fax

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Ok, I did that. It appears to want to download my
entire suspended messages folder before asking me
whether I want to continue with a suspended
message.

Is there a way to make it download my suspended
message folder only after I say Yes to wanting to
continue with a suspended message?

-Alex-

On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Try running pine with command line flags
>
> pine -dverbose=9,timestamp,imap=4
>
> and then look for the delay in the debug file. This should give you a clue
> about where the delay is happening.
>
> --
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, S. Alexander Jacobson wrote:
>
> > Whenever I choose to compose a new message and not
> > continue composing a suspended message, I
> > experience a very high latency before I am allowed
> > to start writing. Any idea why?
> >
> > I am using PCPIne 4.43 with SSL
> >
> > -Alex-
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________________
> > S. Alexander Jacobson i2x Media
> > 1-212-787-1914 voice 1-603-288-1280 fax
>
>

___________________________________________________________________
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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.44. The purpose of this release is to fix a security
bug with the treatment of quotes in the URL-handling code. The bug
allows a malicious sender to embed commands in a URL. This bug is
present in all versions of UNIX Pine. There is no vulnerability from
this bug in PC-Pine.

The release notes are available from within Pine ("R" command off the
Main Menu) and via

http://www.washington.edu/pine/changes.html
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

Precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

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and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm444w32.zip

As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Steve Hubert wrote:

> The purpose of this release is to fix a security
> bug with the treatment of quotes in the URL-handling code. The bug
> allows a malicious sender to embed commands in a URL. This bug is
> present in all versions of UNIX Pine. There is no vulnerability from
> this bug in PC-Pine.

Can you explain? The URL I get is passed to a script that changes commas
into "%2D"s then runs that past nutscrape. I can't see how someone could
get into my box that way.

-Kenny

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*** Kenneth Crudup ([email protected]) wrote today:

> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Steve Hubert wrote:
>
> > The purpose of this release is to fix a security
> > bug with the treatment of quotes in the URL-handling code. The bug
> > allows a malicious sender to embed commands in a URL. This bug is
> > present in all versions of UNIX Pine. There is no vulnerability from
> > this bug in PC-Pine.
>
> Can you explain? The URL I get is passed to a script that changes
> commas into "%2D"s then runs that past nutscrape. I can't see how
> someone could get into my box that way.
>

Read the following thread in Bugtraq:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bugtraq/Pine.LNX.4.33.0201051514170.25654-100000%40clarity.local

I am still unable to reproduce what it says there, even when I copied and
pasted the html code, and created an html e-mail with it. I don't see the
exploit. It may be shell or system dependent, but I can confidently say
that no one can exploit this ``bug'' in my system.

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Hi,

I don't seem to find answers to the following from the archive. Can
someone help?

1. I recently added my own filter rules (using 4.43) so that matching
messages will be moved to one of the Incoming Message Collection folders. In
INBOX index, hitting TAB when cursor is at the last message, it loops thru
the folders "Checking XXX for recent messages" and eventually "No more
incoming folders" is displayed. However, it does not flag or display
messages with new or important flag in any of the folders there. If the
folder is opened then hit TAB, then TAB works for messages in the current
folder. (note this is not the same issue of enable-circular-tab Eduardo has
a patch for.) Tried on Solaris 2.5.1 and 2.7 and 2.8. This makes it pain to
get new messages by opening each. (I'm filtering to about 20 folders!) It
sounds like this is working for some ppl. Whats the trick?

(my primary inbox is pop3, while the other folders in the incoming msg
collection are plain files on nfs, local or remote)

2. I want to use the select cmd to select messages matching all the
alt-addresses for to: and cc: (receipients) ie. select messages directly to
or cc me (+ and - marked in index view if mark-for-cc is enabled). Is it
possible?

3. Filter does not seem to match if the messge is missing a header field.
eg. match [email protected] AND subject-pattern=abc
The message with the from and subject matching the above but do not have a
"To:" in the header, then the filter fail to match the message.

4. Can I expunge current message? (with an anonying 2MB attachment, but
don't want to expunge all with D flag)

TIA
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If the url looks like

http://domain';command'

I think you'll get command executed. The IFS stuff will only work if you
have SHELL=/bin/sh or similar in your environment, I think. The example I
saw had an ampersand in place of the semicolon, which doesn't work for me.

Steve

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On 10 Jan 2002 Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't seem to find answers to the following from the archive. Can
> someone help?
>
> 1. I recently added my own filter rules (using 4.43) so that matching
> messages will be moved to one of the Incoming Message Collection folders. In
> INBOX index, hitting TAB when cursor is at the last message, it loops thru
> the folders "Checking XXX for recent messages" and eventually "No more
> incoming folders" is displayed. However, it does not flag or display
> messages with new or important flag in any of the folders there. If the
> folder is opened then hit TAB, then TAB works for messages in the current
> folder. (note this is not the same issue of enable-circular-tab Eduardo has
> a patch for.) Tried on Solaris 2.5.1 and 2.7 and 2.8. This makes it pain to
> get new messages by opening each. (I'm filtering to about 20 folders!) It
> sounds like this is working for some ppl. Whats the trick?
>
> (my primary inbox is pop3, while the other folders in the incoming msg
> collection are plain files on nfs, local or remote)
>
> 2. I want to use the select cmd to select messages matching all the
> alt-addresses for to: and cc: (receipients) ie. select messages directly to
> or cc me (+ and - marked in index view if mark-for-cc is enabled). Is it
> possible?
>
> 3. Filter does not seem to match if the messge is missing a header field.
> eg. match [email protected] AND subject-pattern=abc
> The message with the from and subject matching the above but do not have a
> "To:" in the header, then the filter fail to match the message.
>
> 4. Can I expunge current message? (with an anonying 2MB attachment, but
> don't want to expunge all with D flag)
>
> TIA
> P.Rocher
>
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[Sorry about the no-new-content msg I just sent; I composed the
msg below in my alt editor (gvim) and then did a write and quit
(:wq) and came back to PC-Pine and pressed ^X. At that moment I
noticed that my message wasn't in the Message Text area.... seems
like a bug but I don't know if I can reproduce it!]

On 10 Jan 2002 Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote:
> 1. I recently added my own filter rules (using 4.43) so that matching
> messages will be moved to one of the Incoming Message Collection folders. In
> INBOX index, hitting TAB when cursor is at the last message, it loops thru
> the folders "Checking XXX for recent messages" and eventually "No more
> incoming folders" is displayed. However, it does not flag or display
> messages with new or important flag in any of the folders there. If the
> folder is opened then hit TAB, then TAB works for messages in the current
> folder. (note this is not the same issue of enable-circular-tab Eduardo has
> a patch for.) Tried on Solaris 2.5.1 and 2.7 and 2.8. This makes it pain to
> get new messages by opening each. (I'm filtering to about 20 folders!) It
> sounds like this is working for some ppl. Whats the trick?

Make sure this is unset

[ ] enable-fast-recent-test

Does that help??

> 2. I want to use the select cmd to select messages matching all the
> alt-addresses for to: and cc: (receipients) ie. select messages directly to
> or cc me (+ and - marked in index view if mark-for-cc is enabled). Is it
> possible?

One of my sample commands in this list

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#samples>

on my main Pine page does this for +.

W + CR W ^X Z
(note CR = carriage return)

display a virtual folder of all messages in the current folder or
newsgroup that contain your email address, or one of your
alt-addresses, in the To header

This isn't exact because it matches any index line that contains
a +.

Another thing you can do is set up indexcolors using MSRI to
color index lines that are to or cc you.

> 4. Can I expunge current message? (with an anonying 2MB attachment, but
> don't want to expunge all with D flag)

Not that I know of but it would be nice to have a "delete &
expunge" command in addition to delete (D) and expunge (X).

Hope this helps,
Nancy
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Thanks, Nancy.

>Make sure this is unset
> [ ] enable-fast-recent-test
This is not set. Setting it makes it faster, but journal shows same.
Still does not go to next new. :(

>on my main Pine page does this for +.
> W + CR W ^X Z
This works very well. "+ " is even better. I don't have many "+" in my
message index (in subject or sender's name). "- " is different, since quite
some "space dash space" in subjects. Oh, you don't even need the CR. Just
W "+ " ^X Z will do (typed without the quotes ""). Do one for "+ " (no
zoom) and immediately "- ", and the selection adds the matches like Broaden
select. Very nice.

best regards,
P.Rocher

>From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: TAB does not detect new messages in incoming folders
>Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:31:30 +0000 (GMT)
>
>[Sorry about the no-new-content msg I just sent; I composed the
>msg below in my alt editor (gvim) and then did a write and quit
>(:wq) and came back to PC-Pine and pressed ^X. At that moment I
>noticed that my message wasn't in the Message Text area.... seems
>like a bug but I don't know if I can reproduce it!]
>
>On 10 Jan 2002 Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote:
> > 1. I recently added my own filter rules (using 4.43) so that matching
> > messages will be moved to one of the Incoming Message Collection
>folders. In
> > INBOX index, hitting TAB when cursor is at the last message, it loops
>thru
> > the folders "Checking XXX for recent messages" and eventually "No more
> > incoming folders" is displayed. However, it does not flag or display
> > messages with new or important flag in any of the folders there. If the
> > folder is opened then hit TAB, then TAB works for messages in the
>current
> > folder. (note this is not the same issue of enable-circular-tab Eduardo
>has
> > a patch for.) Tried on Solaris 2.5.1 and 2.7 and 2.8. This makes it
>pain to
> > get new messages by opening each. (I'm filtering to about 20 folders!)
>It
> > sounds like this is working for some ppl. Whats the trick?
>
>Make sure this is unset
>
> [ ] enable-fast-recent-test
>
>Does that help??
>
>
> > 2. I want to use the select cmd to select messages matching all the
> > alt-addresses for to: and cc: (receipients) ie. select messages
>directly to
> > or cc me (+ and - marked in index view if mark-for-cc is enabled). Is
>it
> > possible?
>
>One of my sample commands in this list
>
> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#samples>
>
>on my main Pine page does this for +.
>
> W + CR W ^X Z
> (note CR = carriage return)
>
> display a virtual folder of all messages in the current folder or
> newsgroup that contain your email address, or one of your
> alt-addresses, in the To header
>
>This isn't exact because it matches any index line that contains
>a +.
>
>Another thing you can do is set up indexcolors using MSRI to
>color index lines that are to or cc you.
>
>
> > 4. Can I expunge current message? (with an anonying 2MB attachment, but
> > don't want to expunge all with D flag)
>
>Not that I know of but it would be nice to have a "delete &
>expunge" command in addition to delete (D) and expunge (X).
>
>Hope this helps,
>Nancy
>^x
>
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Hi,

could you please re-send me the URL for downloading PC-Pine 4.44 ?
it is not visible from the web page (washington.edu/pine) which still
points to 4.43.

thks and bet regards/Bertrand

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*** Steve Hubert ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Jan...:

:) If the url looks like
:)
:) http://domain';command'
:)
:) I think you'll get command executed. The IFS stuff will only work if you
:) have SHELL=/bin/sh or similar in your environment, I think. The example I
:) saw had an ampersand in place of the semicolon, which doesn't work for me.

That's what I tried too, but wouldn't work here. I think the IFS stuff was
meant to make it write spaces. I tried this in a linux machine that I
could get access to, and the ';command' would get executed, but only if it
did not contain a space, so something like http://www';xv' would be
executed but not http://www';xv picture.gif', because of the space, as you
can see. Quite harmless, I think.

I also noticed that Pine would not expand shell variables in URLs as it
did before, that's a good change, I think.

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On 10 Jan 2002 Infodesk ([email protected]) wrote:
> > <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/>
> >
> > I've just updated so it now includes some info about the euro
> > sign and a lot more...
> >
> I tried that Euro sign solution but it doesn't work here, all I get in
> PcPine is a double letter combination being ^ and @

What euro sign solution are you referring to? I've tried to make
it clear that the solution is to write EUR and not use the euro
sign in email. Here's the relevant part of my Power Pine page:

Unfortunately, there are currently many problems with using the
euro sign in email and it is recommend that you type the string
EUR instead of . For a discussion of the problems, including
why you may not see the euro sign that is the last character of
the previous sentence, see Jukka "Yucca" Korpela's the euro sign
in HTML and in some other contexts.

Maybe I need to rewrite this...

Thanks,
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Hi,

Thanks to Eduardo suggestion to use _IMAPSTATUS_ to examine the message
status, I've identified a couple of bugs and got one of them fixed. The
original problem:

> hitting TAB when cursor is at the last message, it loops thru
> the folders "Checking XXX for recent messages" and eventually "No
> more incoming folders" is displayed. However, it does not flag
> or display messages with new flag in any of the folders there.

IMAPSTATUS provides the clue. Further tests suggest with the detailed
status of IMAPSTATUS [N,R,U], TAB does find messages with the N flag, but
not R nor U. There are two bugs:

Bug 1: TAB only finds messages in the incoming collection folders with the
"N" status only, where it should detect both "N" and "U" statuses.

Bug 2: This is more obscure - messages which should be tagged with the "N"
flag is tagged with the "U" flag instead. There is only one time where I
saw a filtered msg folder gets the "N" status and TAB detected it. Cannot
reproduce that again. Initially, I suspect the checking of folders resulted
from the TAB implicitly does an open, causing msgs with N status to become
U. However, with a filter-to folder already opened (current folder) and a
new msg is filtered into it, the status is U immediately!

The combination of bug 1 and 2 render the TAB key rather useless for
checking new messages other than INBOX (for POP3 at least). The fix for Bug
1 is included below. I've built (what a nightmare) my own 4.44a version and
tested this on my solaris to be working as I want. Bug 2 doesn't bother me
since the message will be marked UNSEEN anyway, and TAB detects UNSEEN ones.

% diff /usr/local/pine/pine4.44/pine/folder.c my/folder.c
7098c7098,7099
< !context_status(cntxt, stream, f->name, SA_RECENT)){
---
> !context_status(cntxt, stream, f->name,
> SA_RECENT | SA_UNSEEN)){
7104,7105c7105,7107
< rv = ((mm_status_result.flags & SA_RECENT)
< && (*find_recent = mm_status_result.recent))
---
> rv = ((mm_status_result.flags & (SA_RECENT | SA_UNSEEN))
> && (*find_recent =
> (mm_status_result.recent |
>mm_status_result.unseen)))

I wonder if SA_RECENT is even needed, but I don't really care since the
executable works the way I wanted. Hope this will be fixed in next version,
or someone grab it as a contrib patch.

Best regards,
P.Rocher

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*** Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) IMAPSTATUS provides the clue. Further tests suggest with the detailed
:) status of IMAPSTATUS [N,R,U], TAB does find messages with the N flag, but
:) not R nor U. There are two bugs:
:)
:) Bug 1: TAB only finds messages in the incoming collection folders with the
:) "N" status only, where it should detect both "N" and "U" statuses.

Hello Pierre,

Tab only tries to find messages with the "N" flag. Messages with the "U"
flag are messages that were in the folder the last time it was opened,
but you either did not read them or decided to read them and flag them as
new again. If you close that folder (without deleting that message), the
next time it is opened you will see it marked with a "U".

From here it follows that TAB is working correctly in your case, because
IMAPSTATUS is telling you that somehow between the moment that the message
was saved in the folder and the moment that TAB is doing the check, the
folder was read or it was touched by some other process. It may be that by
saving the files, the folder is considered to be opened. This should be
the bug, I use Pine filters to filter messages from INBOX to an incoming
folder and do not have this problem.

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I have to disagree. Here are the reasons:

1. Pine traditionally collapses UNSEEN and NEW messages into one catagory
represented by the "N" flag (unless the non-default IMAPSTATUS is used).
Treating them differently while they both get status "N" violates the
consistency.

2. When people cannot read all NEW email during each folder open session, it
is crucial to allow people to treat the UNSEEN messages as NEW ones. This is
in fact one of the reasons I choose pine over some other clients which
forces read flag or moves the msgs away from inbox upon session exit. eg. I
frequently dial up to read interesting/urgent messages only, leaving the
uninteresting ones to be read when I go to the lab. While pine can tell me
if there are NEW messages in a folder, I have to open the folder's index
view to determine if any is interesting (by sender or subject). I then read
the interesting ones, leaving others unread, and close the folder and
eventually the pine session. Back in the lab, those non-NEW unread (aka
UNSEEN ones) have the same meaning as new messages to me.

3. The intention of TAB is to check for NEW messages in the incoming folder
collection. Let's think for a moment what is important to a person reading
email:
- the ability to tell apart a message that comes in after I opened the
folder, and a message that came in before I opened the folder.
- the ability to tell apart a message that has not been read, and a message
that has been read (at least skim/scan its contents).
Notice filtering to an incoming folder, one should treat such a folder as an
inbox and not a folder to store messages. If you don't even bother if a
message is briefly read or not, you can filter to a non-incoming folder.
This seems to introduce the need of treating UNSEEN messages different
between incoming folders and non-incomping folders, but fortunately, TAB
mail checking has no notion for non-incoming folders.

4. To wrap up, if you think one wants to tell if messages have come in since
the folder's last close (ie. TAB checks SA_RECENT only and not SA_UNSEEN),
you are making the assumption that the person has skimmed thru all messages
in that folder last time before closing it. In mordern days, most people
get much more messages than those that are really destined to them or
concern them, because of group aliases, news, junk mail, etc. A good portion
of the new messages goes directly into the trash, and it's hard to finish
the messages before closing the session. In the old days, one checks the
mail twice a day and would be happy if gets copule of new messages.

Remeber those days when pine resisted filters, because servers or external
programs are better at the job? IMAP changed that by defining the norm of
the public checks their mail from different domains, unix, pc, etc. Inbox
and active files stay on the server, while archives (or more often over
quota data) are kept on your own local host. Filtering email before email
client accesses them will put the filtered messages onto a relatively-local
file system which is against the IMAP idea, or is there any sysadmin wants
everyone to run programs on the mail server so that the filtered messages
are still on the server? Time has changed, and so should our concept on how
things are done.

Best regards,
P.Rocher

PS. Pine seems to use the term "recent" in different ways. The help doc says
a message with the "R" flag means recent message, which is one that is "new
to the folder and has been viewed." (see IMAPSTATUS "R") The flag SA_RECENT
in the source is explained as "recent messages" which doesn't tell much, but
obviously meaning "new" and/xor "unread" messages when examining closed
folder for SA_RECENT messages. So one is viewed, one is not. I attribute
this as the different meaning of "recent" between pine's interface to imap
vs pine interface to the user, which is perfectly okay.

>From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: TAB does not detect new messages in incoming folders
>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:19:45 -0800 (PST)
>
>*** Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
>:) IMAPSTATUS provides the clue. Further tests suggest with the detailed
>:) status of IMAPSTATUS [N,R,U], TAB does find messages with the N flag,
>but
>:) not R nor U. There are two bugs:
>:)
>:) Bug 1: TAB only finds messages in the incoming collection folders with
>the
>:) "N" status only, where it should detect both "N" and "U" statuses.
>
>Hello Pierre,
>
> Tab only tries to find messages with the "N" flag. Messages with the "U"
>flag are messages that were in the folder the last time it was opened,
>but you either did not read them or decided to read them and flag them as
>new again. If you close that folder (without deleting that message), the
>next time it is opened you will see it marked with a "U".
>
> From here it follows that TAB is working correctly in your case, because
>IMAPSTATUS is telling you that somehow between the moment that the message
>was saved in the folder and the moment that TAB is doing the check, the
>folder was read or it was touched by some other process. It may be that by
>saving the files, the folder is considered to be opened. This should be
>the bug, I use Pine filters to filter messages from INBOX to an incoming
>folder and do not have this problem.
>
>--
>Eduardo
>http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>

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*** Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I have to disagree. Here are the reasons:
:)
:) 1. Pine traditionally collapses UNSEEN and NEW messages into one
:) catagory represented by the "N" flag (unless the non-default IMAPSTATUS
:) is used). Treating them differently while they both get status "N"
:) violates the consistency.

It may have been a design decision. The first versions of Pine were not
designed to be used for power users, so probably adding a "U" to the index
would have been confusing at the time.

I believe there's a clear distinction between messages that are *new*
(those that arrive to your mailbox and when you open it you say "oh!, I
got a new mail from XYZ") and those that are *old* (those that arrived in
an earlier session and you said at that time "I'll read this message later
- or in another session", or maybe said "ok, I read this message, but I'll
keep it here until next time I open this folder, so I'll flag it as new so
that it is not saved automatically").

The real problem is if Pine should "lie" to you and tell you that
something is new when it is not. Most people are already accostumed to
seeing the "N" flag for messages that are not really new, but that are
old. The advantage of IMAPSTATUS over STATUS is that you can see which
messages are really new, as opposed to those that are old.

Personally, I like the fact that TAB only finds new messages, because if a
folder is skipped by TAB, it means to me that no new messages have arrived
to that folder since the last time I opened it, which saves me the time of
opening the folder, to only see messages that I haven't read for whatever
reason or that I read and did not delete.

I am not saying that there should not be a key that finds "new" and
"unseen" messages, but I'd rather have TAB only find those that are really
"new".

--
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

P.S. This is a minor issue, do you know if hotmail will ever include the
"in-reply-to" header to messages that are replies to messages in their
INBOX?

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We recently replaced a hard drive, and are seeing a problem with pine.440 on Solaris 5.6.

The problem is pine.440 isn't finding user's mail spool, and instead, it's saying "using inbox" in
their configuration.

A user can manually go in, and change their configuration, but it's clear there's some file that was
on the old box, that's missing from the new box.

Scott
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I'm running Solaris, version 5.6, instead of 5.8, and when I try to run the 5.8 binary I get

ld.so.1: ./pine-bin.sun58: fatal: libcurses.so.1: open failed: No such file or directory
Killed

Does someone have a 5.6 binary, or is there a way to fix this?

Scott

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On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Scott Mohnkern wrote:

> A user can manually go in, and change their configuration, but it's
> clear there's some file that was on the old box, that's missing from
> the new box.

You're missing a pine.conf file. It should probably be in
/usr/local/lib/. Check The .pine-debug file to be sure. Look near the
top for the error message.

--
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I think implementing this new feature "[X] tab-skips-incoming-unread" is the
answer to accommodate different users and keep pine's consistency. Because
of the default aggregate of "U" and "N" into "N", and the current definition
of "tab-visits-next-new-message-only", it make sense to set the default to
TAB checks unread, and can optionally enabled to check for new only. It
will be something like:

FEATURE: tab-skips-incoming-unread

This feature affects Pine's behavior when using the TAB key to detect new
messages in the incoming mail folder collection. Pine's usual behavior is to
notify if any message in an incoming folder has the new or unread status.

Setting this feature causes Pine to notify of new messages only if a message
in an incoming folder has the new status. Messages that have the unread
status will not be reported. A message gets the new status if it arrived
since the mail folder was last closed.

Notice that Pine typically represents both the new status and the unread
status with the "N" flag, unless the IMAPSTATUS token is used where unread
status is represented by the "U" flag instead.

<End of help on this topic>

This is the current description of the existing feature:

FEATURE: tab-visits-next-new-message-only

This feature affects Pine's behavior when using the TAB key to move from one
message to the next. Pine's usual behavior is to select the next unread
message or message flagged as "Important".

Setting this feature causes Pine to skip the messages flagged as important,
and select unread messages exclusively. Tab behavior when there are no new
messages left to select remains unchanged.

<End of help on this topic>

best regards,
P.Rocher

>From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
>To: Pierre Rocher <[email protected]>
>CC: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: TAB does not detect new messages in incoming folders
>Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:25:10 -0800 (PST)
>
>*** Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
>:) I have to disagree. Here are the reasons:
>:)
>:) 1. Pine traditionally collapses UNSEEN and NEW messages into one
>:) catagory represented by the "N" flag (unless the non-default IMAPSTATUS
>:) is used). Treating them differently while they both get status "N"
>:) violates the consistency.
>
>It may have been a design decision. The first versions of Pine were not
>designed to be used for power users, so probably adding a "U" to the index
>would have been confusing at the time.
>
>I believe there's a clear distinction between messages that are *new*
>(those that arrive to your mailbox and when you open it you say "oh!, I
>got a new mail from XYZ") and those that are *old* (those that arrived in
>an earlier session and you said at that time "I'll read this message later
>- or in another session", or maybe said "ok, I read this message, but I'll
>keep it here until next time I open this folder, so I'll flag it as new so
>that it is not saved automatically").
>
>The real problem is if Pine should "lie" to you and tell you that
>something is new when it is not. Most people are already accostumed to
>seeing the "N" flag for messages that are not really new, but that are
>old. The advantage of IMAPSTATUS over STATUS is that you can see which
>messages are really new, as opposed to those that are old.
>
>Personally, I like the fact that TAB only finds new messages, because if a
>folder is skipped by TAB, it means to me that no new messages have arrived
>to that folder since the last time I opened it, which saves me the time of
>opening the folder, to only see messages that I haven't read for whatever
>reason or that I read and did not delete.
>
>I am not saying that there should not be a key that finds "new" and
>"unseen" messages, but I'd rather have TAB only find those that are really
>"new".
>
>--
>Eduardo
>http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>
>P.S. This is a minor issue, do you know if hotmail will ever include the
>"in-reply-to" header to messages that are replies to messages in their
>INBOX?
>

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*** Pierre Rocher ([email protected]) wrote on Jan 17, 2002:

:) I think implementing this new feature "[X] tab-skips-incoming-unread"
:) is the answer to accommodate different users and keep pine's
:) consistency.

The problem is what you get consistency with, either your idea of how TAB
should work (that is to say, TAB should find "Recent" or "Unseen"
messages) or the real way that TAB works (which only finds "Recent"
messages). Tab was not designed to look for unseen messages, so setting
the default of a feature to reverse this behavior does not do any good
for most of Pine users that use TAB in the above mentioned way.

I do agree that the solution is to make it configurable, and it is not
difficult to do so, but disagree that the default should be to look for
unseen messages (which takes more resources to find).

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I gather that error: 553 covers many sins so it is not in itself diagnostic.

The actual error message is JUST too short for me to figure out what the $*#$%@
it means:

"[ Mail not sent. Sending error 553: Due to a small error in your Email s]"

It may be "small" but its terminal! HELP

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I'd like to see support for non-MIME HTML mail. As in an HTTP-like

Subject: whatever
Content-Type: text/html

<doctype .....
etc.

Admittedly, most mail I get like this is spam, but there is one
newsletter I'm subscribed to comes like this. Ideally I could get them to
mend their ways, but in practice it's difficult.

I'm not even sure whether this is officially allowed or forbidden.
I know that MIME-Version is required for MIME, which I normally associate
with multipart/alternative etc., but I'm not sure whether HTML sent
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On Jan 17, 2002, 09:07 (-0800) Andrew Daviel <[email protected]> wrot=
e:

> I know that MIME-Version is required for MIME, which I normally associate
> with multipart/alternative etc., but I'm not sure whether HTML sent
> as the message body with no encoding should require it.

MIME covers many things, among them to be able to define that the mailbody
is not plain text, but HTML. Without proper headers it is not a proper
MIME mail.

Ask the sender to update its system to support MIME properly.

Mats

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553 errors are often custom errors Admin's put into thier mail servers.
If you call your ISP for technical support and ask what could trigger that
error you may have a better place to look.

Christopher Fisk

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 [email protected] wrote:

>
>
>I gather that error: 553 covers many sins so it is not in itself diagnostic.
>
>The actual error message is JUST too short for me to figure out what the $*#$%@
>it means:
>
>"[ Mail not sent. Sending error 553: Due to a small error in your Email s]"
>
>It may be "small" but its terminal! HELP
>
>
>

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We recently upgraded to Pine 4.44 from RedHat (packaged by RedHat, I
should say :-) ) and started getting an error message connecting to our
server:

There was a failure validating the SSL/TLS certificate for the server
unable to get local issuer certificate
(Our IMAP server works with SSL in Netscape)

I have read the FAQs for Pine and OpenSSL, from which it seems I need
to install the root CA for our cert (Thawte, in this case) on each
client machine. Butr I'm not sure how to do this.

Pine on my RedHat 6.2 box is doing
open("/usr/share/ssl/cert.pem", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
stat("/usr/share/ssl/certs/ddc328ff.0", 0xbfffb2c8) = -1 ENOENT

I have openssl-0.9.5a.
On another machine with openssl-0.9.6-9 I found a ca-bundle.crt
and the Pine FAQ suggests I need to extract the root certs from this.

..... tap,tap,tap ....

OK, 2 solutions -
Either, get ca-bundle.crt from somewhere (like a recent distro of
OpenSSL) and symlink it to /usr/share/ssl/cert.pem
or get all the root certs from e.g. openssl-0.9.5a/certs/thawteCb.pem
etc., copy them to /usr/share/ssl/certs then run
"c_rehash usr/share/ssl/certs" to make the hashes

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Hi,

yesterday, I innocently edited a text file with vim on a Unix system. After
sending it out as an attachment with Pine, it had added ^Ms in it.

Is there a way to prevent Pine from adding ^Ms to text attachments?

Regards,
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It appears that Outlook for Windows XP has problems with attachments
produced by pine.

The attachments are there and seems to be correctly formated since the
Outlook user is able to save them from the "File" menu and the
attachments are also correctly included if the mail is forwarded back
from Outlook XP to the pine user.

Initially we thought this was due to corruption of the MIME headers
appearing in the body made by some anti-virus filter, but the "boundary"
strings are intact and we've tested with various different Outlook XP
environments.

The problem seems to only appear in Windows Outlook XP, not in Outlook
Express XP, nor Outlook for NT.

I expect it to be a Microsoft problem. However I post this here since
the ubiquity of Microsoft products makes it less likely that Microsoft
or their users will care about it unless several others experience the
same problem.

Has anybody else experienced apparently missing attachments in Outlook
XP or are your pine attachments working perfectly with Outlook XP?
Please let me know.

Pine versions tested are Pine-4.33/FreeBSD-4.3 and PC-Pine-4.33/WinNT
Among the Windows XP versions tested are "Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627/MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000"

Best wishes
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On Jan 18, 2002, 11:13 (+0100) Constantin Gonzalez <Constantin.Gonzalez@Sun=
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> yesterday, I innocently edited a text file with vim on a Unix system. Aft=
er
> sending it out as an attachment with Pine, it had added ^Ms in it.
>
> Is there a way to prevent Pine from adding ^Ms to text attachments?

In the mail each line must be ended by RETURN+LINEFEED. It is up to the
receiving end to change or keep the line endings.

Mats

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Check the headers in your message (send a copy to
yourself, save it to a new mailbox, and look at
the mailbox with vi or emacs) - what is the
Content-Type of your attachments? Is it coming out
something like Application/OCTET-STREAM when
something like Image/jpeg would be more helpful?

If so, your system manager has not properly setup
the file mime.types, you can supply ~/.mime.types
- this is the official place for getting values
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Steen Linden wrote:

>
> It appears that Outlook for Windows XP has problems with attachments
> produced by pine.
>
> The attachments are there and seems to be correctly formated since the
> Outlook user is able to save them from the "File" menu and the
> attachments are also correctly included if the mail is forwarded back
> from Outlook XP to the pine user.
>
> Initially we thought this was due to corruption of the MIME headers
> appearing in the body made by some anti-virus filter, but the "boundary"
> strings are intact and we've tested with various different Outlook XP
> environments.
>
> The problem seems to only appear in Windows Outlook XP, not in Outlook
> Express XP, nor Outlook for NT.
>
> I expect it to be a Microsoft problem. However I post this here since
> the ubiquity of Microsoft products makes it less likely that Microsoft
> or their users will care about it unless several others experience the
> same problem.
>
> Has anybody else experienced apparently missing attachments in Outlook
> XP or are your pine attachments working perfectly with Outlook XP?
> Please let me know.
>
> Pine versions tested are Pine-4.33/FreeBSD-4.3 and PC-Pine-4.33/WinNT
> Among the Windows XP versions tested are "Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627/MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000"
>
> Best wishes
> Steen Linden
>
>
>
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Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your reply, but I don't think the problem is the
Content-Type. As you can see below the MIME headers for
APPLICATION/MSWORD attachments looks perfectly allright.

Best wishes
Steen Linden

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="1619078-12662-1011186519=:279"
Content-ID: <[email protected]>

This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
Send mail to [email protected] for more info.

--1619078-12662-1011186519=:279
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-ID: <[email protected]>

her er attachments.

--1619078-12662-1011186519=:279
Content-Type: APPLICATION/MSWORD; NAME="FG1.doc"
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0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
AAAAYAEAAAAAAAAAEAAAYgEAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAF0BAABeAQAAXwEAAP//
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

.. SNIP ...

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Content-Description:
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0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB
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////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

.. SNIP ...

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I think you probably need to turn on the new (4.33+) quell-content-id
feature.

-- Marc

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Steen Linden wrote:
>It appears that Outlook for Windows XP has problems with attachments
>produced by pine.
>
>The attachments are there and seems to be correctly formated since
>the Outlook user is able to save them from the "File" menu and the
>attachments are also correctly included if the mail is forwarded back
>from Outlook XP to the pine user.
>
>Initially we thought this was due to corruption of the MIME headers
>appearing in the body made by some anti-virus filter, but the
>"boundary" strings are intact and we've tested with various different
>Outlook XP environments.
>
>The problem seems to only appear in Windows Outlook XP, not in
>Outlook Express XP, nor Outlook for NT.
>
>I expect it to be a Microsoft problem. However I post this here since
>the ubiquity of Microsoft products makes it less likely that
>Microsoft or their users will care about it unless several others
>experience the same problem.
>
>Has anybody else experienced apparently missing attachments in
>Outlook XP or are your pine attachments working perfectly with
>Outlook XP? Please let me know.
>
>Pine versions tested are Pine-4.33/FreeBSD-4.3 and PC-Pine-4.33/WinNT
>Among the Windows XP versions tested are "Microsoft Outlook, Build
>10.0.2627/MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000"
>
>Best wishes Steen Linden

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Hi Marc,

Thanks a lot for the tip about quell-content-id.

Somehow I managed to miss it in the Pine Information Centre even though
it's actually the first thing that pops up if you search for "Outlook
XP". Sorry.

Best wishes
Steen LInden

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Try setting the feature "enable-verbose-smtp-posting" and when after you
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 [email protected] wrote:

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>
> I gather that error: 553 covers many sins so it is not in itself diagnostic.
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> The actual error message is JUST too short for me to figure out what the $*#$%@
> it means:
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> "[ Mail not sent. Sending error 553: Due to a small error in your Email s]"
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> It may be "small" but its terminal! HELP
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Steve Hubert wrote:

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Heh. "Verbose" (^W) breaks sending with my SMTP agent.

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References: 1997.04/msg00006, 2001.07/msg00005, 2001.08/msg00008,
2001.09/msg00033

I've been trying to compile pine 4.33 with gcc 2.95.2-13, under linux
2.2.19pre17, and have the same problem that was discussed in the threads
which started with the pine-info messages mentioned above, i.e. during
compilation of c-client/osdep.c, the compiler dies with complaints about
assignment of a pointer to an integer without an explicit cast.

I've found that if the -traditional flag is given to gcc, via
c-client/Makefile, this suppresses the error. Hopefully, some people
who've encountered the problem will find that this allows them to compile
successfully.

It doesn't do me any good, however, because compilation of the included
system header string2.h then crashes out with "macro or #include recursion
too deep." This appears (I'm not absolutely sure) to be because my
string2.h uses the const keyword, which is incompatible with gcc
-traditional. I understand from one of the earlier threads about the
issue that the next version after 4.33, which turned out to be 4.40, was
supposed to work with the newer gcc version... did this happen, and if so,
where can I get hold of the newer version, bearing in mind that I'm
outside the US, and don't want to break export regulations regarding
encryption software, please?

Thanks

Dan Hatton

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Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?

I've been using gzip / gunzip to compress / uncompress files on my Unix
account, but obviously if I save the zipped files to the PC, I can't use
gunzip there to unzip them. Of course it takes lots less time to download
zipped files than unzipped ones. But it would be nice to be able to unzip
them on the PC instead of uploading them back to the Unix platform.

The question arises because I use PC-Pine to save old email on the PC (or
ZIP disks). PC-Pine is just terrific for this!

Freda Birnbaum, [email protected]
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
> work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?

Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for *NIX.

-Kenny

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> > Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
> > work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?
>
> Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for
> *NIX.

Thanks!! (Where do I find "freshmeat"?)

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> > > Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
> > > work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?

> > Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for
> > *NIX.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:

> Thanks!! (Where do I find "freshmeat"?)

freshmeat.net ; plugin "unzip" and ... ah hell, here's the final URL:

http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html

-Kenny

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gzip is available for DOS from

http://www.gzip.org/

Something to watch out for: the way my DOS gzip is installed, which was
the default, the uncompress command in the as-installed state is gzip -d,
or gunzip -d, not plain gunzip.

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
> work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?
> I've been using gzip / gunzip to compress / uncompress files on my Unix
> account, but obviously if I save the zipped files to the PC, I can't use
> gunzip there to unzip them.

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gzip is also available for Windows, try installing cygwin..

---Andy

> On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:
>
> > Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
> > work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?
>
> Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for *NIX.
>
> -Kenny
>
> --
> Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C.
> Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 [email protected]
> Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101
>

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> > Thanks!! (Where do I find "freshmeat"?)
>
> freshmeat.net ; plugin "unzip" and ... ah hell, here's the final URL:
>
> http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html

THANK you!!

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Dan Hatton wrote:

> gzip is available for DOS from
>
> http://www.gzip.org/
>
> Something to watch out for: the way my DOS gzip is installed, which was
> the default, the uncompress command in the as-installed state is gzip -d,
> or gunzip -d, not plain gunzip.

Many thanks!!

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> gzip is also available for Windows, try installing cygwin..

Great, thanks!

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The program Winzip can handle both gzip compression and Unix tar
compression on Windows. On a Mac, the Stuffit Expander can also handle
them both.

On many Unix platforms (including Sun Solaris 2.8) the zip and unzip
utilities are installed. Or they can be gotten for any platform from a
Info-ZIP which I got to through the TeX CTAN search engine. (Google would
work as well, I would guess.)

I learned the hard way that gzip and zip are not the same: in particular,
gzip will compress a file usually more efficiently than the unix compress,
but it does not work on directories. zip seems like a comparison of the
Unix tar and gzip (based on just a couple of tests). zip/unzip are based
on what I think is PKZIP format. It is a bit unfortuante that "zip" is
used for two slightly different compression algorithms -- plus the Iomega
drive.

I am preparing software packages whicwill be put on CDs and are intended
to be readable on multiple platforms, which is why I have played with
these different packages. If anyhone differs with what I calim or has any
alternative suggestions, please share.

Arthur Snoke
[email protected]

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Arthur Snoke wrote:

[...]

> I am preparing software packages whicwill be put on CDs and are intended
> to be readable on multiple platforms, which is why I have played with
> these different packages. If anyhone differs with what I calim or has
> any alternative suggestions, please share.

Thanks for the additional info. Do keep us posted!

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On 18 Jan 2002 Marc Rouleau ([email protected]) wrote:
> I think you probably need to turn on the new (4.33+) quell-content-id
> feature.

FYI, a message about this Microsoft XP Outlook bug was posted to the
"interesting-people" mailing list today. You can read it here...

IP: Microsoft breaks Mime specification
<http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200201/msg00199.html>

Nancy
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Hi. Please can anyone help me out with the following problem: access to
my local Pine folders, especially write access such as saving messages and
writing fccs, is often very, very slow, with Linux Pine 4.21? This
appears to be partly (maybe wholly) caused by Pine believing that the
folders are locked; about halfway through the delay, it starts counting
down from 285 seconds until it overrides the lock. There is no obvious
reason for the folders to be locked, i.e. no other copy of Pine is running
and no other process is accessing them.

Some possible leads:

The folders were created with PC-Pine 4.21.

The mail folder files are on a vfat filesystem, with consequences:

I do not own the files; they are owned by root, and I get at them
by being in a group with read, write, and execute permissions on
them.

The filesystem does not support symbolic links.

When suggesting solutions, please bear in mind that I am unable to compile
Pine, for the reasons I outlined in message 2002.01/msg00076.

Thanks

Dan Hatton

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- Is there any way, via keystrokes, to (R)eply to the original poster even
if Reply-to: is set in the message (I don't want to set this in the
config, as 99% of the time I want to use "Reply-To:"

- To have Pine remember the password used when you grab your remote_pinerc
and automatically use that as the login to outgoing SMTP AUTH (currently,
if the server spec differs at all, it won't reuse what it was given)

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-Kenny

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

> - Is there any way, via keystrokes, to (R)eply to the original
> poster even if Reply-to: is set in the message (I don't want to set
> this in the config, as 99% of the time I want to use "Reply-To:"

Umm, you don't want to use the config option for it, but you still want
the functionality. I can only offer a poor work-around: Before replying
to the message, copy the sender's address into the clipboard, then when
you reply, paste it into the headers.

> - To have Pine remember the password used when you grab your
> remote_pinerc and automatically use that as the login to outgoing
> SMTP AUTH

Use a password file. It will keep separate passwords for each server
definition.

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> Before replying to the message, copy the sender's address into the
> clipboard, then when you reply, paste it into the headers.

Yeah, that's what I'd been doing before I RTFMed, and coming up empty,
tried here. Perhaps say, ^B (I think it's free) could be used to implement
this?

> > - To have Pine remember the password used when you grab your
> > remote_pinerc and automatically use that as the login to outgoing
> > SMTP AUTH

> Use a password file.

I don't use PC-Pine- where's this in the 4.4X *NIX distro?

-Kenny

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>
> > - Is there any way, via keystrokes, to (R)eply to the original
> > poster even if Reply-to: is set in the message (I don't want to set
> > this in the config, as 99% of the time I want to use "Reply-To:"

> Umm, you don't want to use the config option for it, but you still want
> the functionality. I can only offer a poor work-around: Before replying
> to the message, copy the sender's address into the clipboard, then when
> you reply, paste it into the headers.

I don't understand.

I'm using 4.21 on Solaris.

When I "r" Reply to a message with a
Reply-To: header, pine asks if I want to use the
Reply-To addresse instead of the Sender address
before asking me if I want to Reply to everyone
who saw the first message.

Answering "n" No to that question sends the reply
to only the singular sender, unless I then answer
"y" yes to the reply to all question.

Was that feature removed later?

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> When I "r" Reply to a message with a Reply-To: header, pine asks if
> I want to use the Reply-To addresse instead of the Sender address

You can choose to always use the Reply-To: header by selecting the
following under (M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig:

[X] reply-always-uses-reply-to

That's what the OP had an issue with. He wanted an exception keystroke.

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> Answering "n" No to that question sends the reply
> to only the singular sender, unless I then answer
> "y" yes to the reply to all question.

> Was that feature removed later?

The only option I saw in 4.4X was to change the behavior of Pine to either/or
send to all/send to one; didn't appear to prompt me.

-Kenny

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote (quoting me):

>> Use a password file.
>
> I don't use PC-Pine- where's this in the 4.4X *NIX distro?

You have to enable this during compilation. Read the Pine tech-notes:
<http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/installation.html#pine-compile>

Specifically, look at the definition for PASSFILE.

The compile-time definition should be done in pine/pine.h. search in
that file for the PASSFILE definition. It will be either commented out
or #undef'd. Edit that line.

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> You have to enable this during compilation.

Thanks.

-Kenny

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Muller, Lin, & pine-info list-

Many months ago, both of you posted regarding problems using ldap with
pine which resulted in email addresses to user@`missing-hostname'. I have
the same problem with the current Pine 4.44 (and prior versions) and I
haven't been able to find a solution myself or in newsgroups.

Did either of you ever figure this out?

Thanks,
Reece

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Hi all,

Is there a way to have pine correct for the timezone when displaying the
date/time in the index? All the date/time tokens appear to not correct
for the timezone. Without such a feature, there are messages that appear
to be arriving from the future :).

Thanks,
Tony

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:

>Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:02:50 -0500 (EST)
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>
>Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
>work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?
>
>I've been using gzip / gunzip to compress / uncompress files on my Unix
>account, but obviously if I save the zipped files to the PC, I can't use
>gunzip there to unzip them. Of course it takes lots less time to download
>zipped files than unzipped ones. But it would be nice to be able to unzip
>them on the PC instead of uploading them back to the Unix platform.
>
>The question arises because I use PC-Pine to save old email on the PC (or
>ZIP disks). PC-Pine is just terrific for this!

Well, you could either use tar and gzip/gunzip in DOS - after
downloading them of course, or you could use zip/unzip in both
OS's.

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

>Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:09:08 -0800 (PST)
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>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:
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>> Is there such a thing as a compression/decompression program that will
>> work on BOTH a Unix platform AND and Windows (at the DOS prompt)?
>
>Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for *NIX.

Why not just use the open source zip/unzip programs instead?

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> >Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for *NIX.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> Why not just use the open source zip/unzip programs instead?

Those are the ones on freshmeat.

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Hello,

yesterday I upgraded my Pine to version 4.44 and from that moment I've
been unable to send e-mails:

[Sending mail | |]

Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
Pine Exiting.

Enabling "enable-verbose-smtp-posting" (and using ^X^WY) does not reveal
any new messages.

This crash is for sure related to fact, that my sendmail has enabled TLS
(using openssl library and certificate signed by my own CA certificate).
First I suspected that certificate should be signed by some "root" CA so I
put my CA certificate info /usr/share/ssl/cert.pem but it does not help.

Only when I disabled TLS in sendmail the problem "disapeared" so now I'm
able to post messages using pine.

Do anyone have someinformation about how to use both sendmail with TLS and
new pine? Is this related to "* Crash when talking to SMTP server which
offers STARTTLS" mentioned in "Changes from Pine 4.40 to 4.41"?

BTW (maybe it is useless but maybe not), part of strace output:

..
open("/usr/share/ssl/cert.pem", O_RDONLY) = 7
fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=251330, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4001f000
read(7, "##\n## Extracted from the mod_ss"..., 4096) = 4096
..<reading /usr/share/ssl/cert.pem>...
read(7, "\neUBtZWdhbG9tYW4uY29tMB4XDTAxMDI"..., 4096) = 1474
brk(0x8375000) = 0x8375000
brk(0x8376000) = 0x8376000
read(7, "", 4096) = 0
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
close(7) = 0
munmap(0x4001f000, 4096) = 0
open(umovestr: Input/output error
0, O_RDONLY) = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
time(NULL) = 1011794019
getpid() = 22404
brk(0x837c000) = 0x837c000
brk(0x8381000) = 0x8381000
brk(0x8386000) = 0x8386000
time(NULL) = 1011794019
time(NULL) = 1011794019
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
open("/dev/urandom", O_RDONLY) = 7
read(7, "R\354\260\310\r\303\224H>u\351Jx]\237\302\267\316\371\257"...,
20) = 20
close(7) = 0
getpid() = 22404
getpid() = 22404
getuid32() = 500
getpid() = 22404
time(NULL) = 1011794019
getpid() = 22404
.. now this repeats for about 30 times ...
getpid() = 22404
write(135419392, "\26\3\1\0S\1\0\0O\3\1<N\300c\243\311\366\243VHV\265J\5"..., 88) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor)
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], [ALRM], 8) = 0
close(135419392) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor)
close(1) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [ALRM], [], 8) = 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
..

Thanks in advance for any reply.

Sincerely

Peter Hanecak

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

>Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:18:06 -0800 (PST)
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>> >Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for *NIX.
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>On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Mike A. Harris wrote:
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>> Why not just use the open source zip/unzip programs instead?
>
>Those are the ones on freshmeat.

Yes, but:

> >Yeah, "pkzip"/"pkunzip". Get it from pkware.com for MS, "freshmeat" for *NIX."

was what I was commenting on. pkzip/pkunzip is closed source.
zip/unzip are the open source alternatives. I was just curious
why one would want to use pkzip/pkunzip instead of zip/unzip.

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When trying to send mail with pine 4.43 I get this error..

Mail not sent. Sending error: 421 4.3.0 collect: Cannot write ./dfg0PJ

Where does this come from and why do I get it? What can I do to fix this?

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What platform are you on?

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> When trying to send mail with pine 4.43 I get this error..
>
> Mail not sent. Sending error: 421 4.3.0 collect: Cannot write ./dfg0PJ
>
> Where does this come from and why do I get it? What can I do to fix this?
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Solaris 8 w/ sendmail 8.12..

>From the debug it looks like it calls sendmail just fine but after that not
sure where it's trying to write this file at.. I'm able to get pop mail just
fine.

15:10:19.747983
Opened SMTP server "blackhawk"

15:10:19.748554
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15:10:19.750196
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15:10:19.776130
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15:10:19.777327
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15:10:19.779164
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15:10:19.780346
-- pine_rfc822_output

15:10:19.780811
busy_alarm(1, Busy, 0, 0)

15:10:19.781451
-- pine_encode_body: 0

15:10:19.783229
-- pine_rfc822_output_body: 0

15:10:19.783816
-- pine_rfc822_output_body: segment 0 bytes

15:10:19.784377
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15:10:19.784957
-- gf_pipe:
15:10:19.785538
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=25, gid=25): Permission denied

15:10:19.794033
Mail not sent. Sending error: 421 4.3.0 collect: Cannot write ./dfg0PK
15:10:19.802701
SIGCHLD raised

T..S

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What platform are you on?

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Todd R. Stroup wrote:

>
> When trying to send mail with pine 4.43 I get this error..
>
> Mail not sent. Sending error: 421 4.3.0 collect: Cannot write ./dfg0PJ
>
> Where does this come from and why do I get it? What can I do to fix this?
>
> T..S
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Todd R. Stroup wrote:

<snip>

It looks like the message is coming from your MTA, not Pine.
Investigate it on that end.

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In hopes of using pine for mass mailing in as automated a way as
possible, is there a way to supply subject on the command line? Here is a
sample command:

pine -attach xxx.html -signature-file=xxx/file1 harry@imcs,john@aesop

We're looking for some way to imitate the

mailx -s"this goes on subject line" harry@imcs <xxx/file1

ability.

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Chris Jarocha-Ernst [email protected]
New Brunswick Computing Services Research Computing Initiative Help
Busch Campus, Rutgers University Piscataway, NJ 08855

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Like I said - I'm getting pop mail just fine.... it appears, from the debug
that I sent earlier, to be some type of temp file or something that pine is
creating somewhere that is doesn't have permission to write to.

bash-2.05# telnet localhost 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 blackhawk.dartas.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.2/8.12.2; Fri, 25 Jan 2002
16:27:59 -0500 (EST)
helo dartas.com
250 blackhawk.dartas.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
mail from:[email protected]
250 2.1.0 [email protected]... Sender ok
rcpt to:[email protected]
250 2.1.5 [email protected]... Recipient ok
data
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
This is a test of the MTA -even though I'm getting mail fine with pop.