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hi,

I've noticed some strange tty behaviour using pine (v4.42). in xterm,
copying and pasting works but pine (?) puts the whole text block,
including the trailing whitespace at each line, into the cut-buffer. it
seems more like simple rectangular text block is put into the buffer.
enable-mouse-in-xterm is not activated.

in the MacOS X terminal application (vt100), copy and paste is completely
disabled when running pine - other applications works without any
problems.

does pine put the tty in some strange mode that makes copy and paste freak
out?

jakob

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On 29 Nov 2001 William R. Van Kuyk ([email protected]) wrote:
> It looks great.... Check out the enclosed image
>
> And the link is NOT clickable

Thanks William! I've added info about X-Message-Flag to my main
Pine page here

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#x-message-flag

and included a link to the graphic you sent. Let me know if you
want me to turn your name into a link, or remove your name.

Also, if anyone has any more info about this header, your use
of it, responses you've gotten from Outlook users, or suggestions
for the contents of it, please let me know so I can add the info
to my page.

Thanks!
Nancy

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Nancy, could you block out my e-mail address in that picture, I already
get way too much e-mail. =)

Chris

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Nancy McGough wrote:

>On 29 Nov 2001 William R. Van Kuyk ([email protected]) wrote:
>> It looks great.... Check out the enclosed image
>>
>> And the link is NOT clickable
>
>Thanks William! I've added info about X-Message-Flag to my main
>Pine page here
>
> http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#x-message-flag
>
>and included a link to the graphic you sent. Let me know if you
>want me to turn your name into a link, or remove your name.
>
>Also, if anyone has any more info about this header, your use
>of it, responses you've gotten from Outlook users, or suggestions
>for the contents of it, please let me know so I can add the info
>to my page.
>
>Thanks!
>Nancy
>
>

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Hi,

I wondering that the Pine doesn't have an feature which provide to store
the outgoing e-mails into a file in case when somebody try to answer
some email off-line. It would be nice to have some option like "Send to
out-box", for example add some option for the option send (^X ^O). In
this case pine should store these email's like it do for the POSTPONES
except that they can be send without entering in any particular email
and do ^X, Y. Instead could be nice to select using normal selection
mode (;) and send some of these email's or all of them.

What do you think about it?

Regards,
Murphy

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very good idea!
I need it too. But if I remmember well, this as already
been asked and I think it has been said that this will be
integrated somehow in a further release. Isn't it ?

BR/Bertrand

On (2001-12-03 14:46) Murphy wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I wondering that the Pine doesn't have an feature which provide to store
>the outgoing e-mails into a file in case when somebody try to answer
>some email off-line. It would be nice to have some option like "Send to
>out-box", for example add some option for the option send (^X ^O). In
>this case pine should store these email's like it do for the POSTPONES
>except that they can be send without entering in any particular email
>and do ^X, Y. Instead could be nice to select using normal selection
>mode (;) and send some of these email's or all of them.
>
>What do you think about it?
>
>Regards,
>Murphy
>
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On 3 Dec 2001 Christopher Fisk ([email protected]) wrote:
> Nancy, could you block out my e-mail address in that picture, I already
> get way too much e-mail. =)

Oops, sorry. I just removed the image and, according to my logs,
hardly anyone looked at it so I hope it didn't generate any spam
for you.

I know almost nothing about creating and editing images so for
now I don't have an image out there but maybe someone will send
me another one with

* no email address showing other than my public address
([email protected]).

* the current contents of my X-Message-Flag. It's a little
different than it was and actually I'm still hoping to
come up with something better so if anyone has suggestions,
please let me know.

* small size so it doesn't take long for people to download and
view it.

Thanks again for telling us about this great subversive header,
Chris!
Nancy

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Bertrand PEREZ (REE) wrote:

>very good idea!
>I need it too. But if I remmember well, this as already
>been asked and I think it has been said that this will be
>integrated somehow in a further release. Isn't it ?

I hope so they are will do it because it's sometime hard to do such
tricks using actual implementation of Pine.

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>On 3 Dec 2001 Christopher Fisk ([email protected]) wrote:
>> Nancy, could you block out my e-mail address in that picture, I already
>> get way too much e-mail. =)
>
>Oops, sorry. I just removed the image and, according to my logs,
>hardly anyone looked at it so I hope it didn't generate any spam
>for you.

Nah, I honestly didn't think I would get any spam from it (It's in image
format so a web crawler can't read it) but it's just the idea of it =)

I can't help you with an image for this as I do not use outlook/outlook
express.

I should really upgrade to 4.43 sometime today.

Chris

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>I wondering that the Pine doesn't have an feature which provide to store
>the outgoing e-mails into a file in case when somebody try to answer
>some email off-line. It would be nice to have some option like "Send to
>out-box", for example add some option for the option send (^X ^O). In
>this case pine should store these email's like it do for the POSTPONES
>except that they can be send without entering in any particular email
>and do ^X, Y. Instead could be nice to select using normal selection
>mode (;) and send some of these email's or all of them.

A possible workaround for this would be to install a True MTA on your
machine and use localhost as your mail server. Then configure your mail
server to pass everything to your ISP's mail server when it detects a
connection.

So pine would send the message off to the MTA which would be able to hold
messages in a queue until connection is detected. Not the best solution,
but one that will work.

For example, you would add the following to your sendmail.mc and rebuild
your sendmail.cf file.

define(`SMART_HOST',`mail.yourisp.net')dnl
MASQUERADE_AS(yourisp.net)dnl
FEATURE(`allmasquerade')dnl
FEATURE(`masquerade_envelope')dnl

This of course isn't pine specific, but if you needed a working solution
there ya go.

Christopher Fisk

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>A possible workaround for this would be to install a True MTA on your
>machine and use localhost as your mail server. Then configure your mail
>server to pass everything to your ISP's mail server when it detects a
>connection.
(cut)

The problem is that I'm more less like a normal user - no administration
rights. But I would like to have one file which I could "prepare" at
home, compress it and get on floppy disk and later on put it back to the
pine mail directory and send it.

I know that I can do it using POSTPONES file but there is still this
same problem that every one message had to be send separately.

Regards,
Murphy

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>From: Jakob Schlyter <[email protected]>
>in the MacOS X terminal application (vt100), copy and paste is completely
>disabled when running pine - other applications works without any
>problems.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. I presume you
mean Terminal.app. What version of the OS are you running on, what version
of pine (I think that was in the orig message), etc..?

I run pine (4.40) on Terminal all the time, in fact I'm doing it right
now, and there are no problems whatsoever with copy and paste.

>does pine put the tty in some strange mode that makes copy and paste freak
>out?

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If you use colors, you can't see the selection behind the colors. The
selection is there, and copy and paste are there. Try it :)

I guess it's a bug in Terminal?

-Steven (I copied and pasted your address, Jakob :)

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret <[email protected]> wrote:
> >From: Jakob Schlyter <[email protected]>
> >in the MacOS X terminal application (vt100), copy and paste is completely
> >disabled when running pine - other applications works without any
> >problems.

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Steven R. Loomis wrote:

> If you use colors, you can't see the selection behind the colors. The
> selection is there, and copy and paste are there. Try it :)

ah, that was it - thanks a lot.

> I guess it's a bug in Terminal?

yes, it certainly is - I'll try and report that to the developers.

jakob

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Has anyone seen this working when the recipient is using OUtlook XP and an
IMAP server?

The person accross from me uses that configuration, but X-Message-Flag:
and X-Message: does not have the desired effect. Reply-By: does work as
the Anti Outlook Site mentions.

Stewart.

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PCPine 4.43 fails during SSL/TLS certificate validation.

The reason quoted is:

Server name does not match certificate

The details screen says the following:

Host given by user:

murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu

Reason for failure:

Server name does not match certificte

Certificate being verified:

C=US, S=Arizona, L=Tucson, O=The University of Arizona, OU=CCIT, CN=*.email.arizona.edu

(End of details screen)

As you can clearly see, murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu should be covered
by *.email.arizona.edu. And additionally, other mail clients work fine.

This is from PCPine on Win98, but it seems to hold for all versions of
windows.

If I answer "Yes" to ignore the warning and continue, pine says:

[IMAP Authentication cancelled]
[No folder opened]

And similarly, if I add the /novalidate-cert option, I get the same
[IMAP Authentication cancelled] message.

So, first, is this being worked on?

Second, is this an appropriate forum for bugs?

Third, is there some sort of bug list or tracking system that I can
look at to follow this bug?

Thanks.

Brian Murphy
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Hi,

I am just realising that my return path is being incorectly set when
sending an email. I have pine 4.42 configured to use an SMTP server, which
does not do any address re-writing.

In my pinerc file I have my domain set to @vu.edu.au, I also tried setting
my user-id to stewart.james, under linux my username is stewart. When ever
I send an email the SMTP server is being told my return-path is
[email protected] not what I have set as my From header.

Is there a way to get pine to use my From header email address when it
issues the SMTP MAIL From: command (for those who don;t knwo this is what
gets placed in the Return-Path header)?

Thanks,

Stewart

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Hello,

I use pine for quite long time now, and because I use qmail and Maiildir
on my system, I also maintain the page for maildir pine patches
(http://hico.fphil.uniba.sk/pine-patches.html). Several people reported
problem with using the maildir patch with current (4.4x) pine.

Up to 4.33, after applying the patch only Inbox was in Maildir format, and
if you (S)aved mail from it to another folder, it used mbox driver for it.
That made sense, at least to me (won't go into Maildir vs mbox debate).

In 4.4x this is no longer the case, if Inbox is maildir, and message is
(S)aved, it creates mbox ok, but tries to use maildir driver to write to
it. That fails, of course. Seems as a pine bug to me.

Now the question: I've identified the routine save() in mailcmd.c as the
source of our problems. If I comment out the following code

/*
* If any of the messages have exceptional attachment handling
* we have to fall thru below to do the APPEND by hand...
*/
if(!msgno_any_deletedparts(stream, msgmap)){
/*
* Compare the current stream (the save's source) and the stream
* the destination folder will need...
*/
context_apply(tmp, context, save_folder, sizeof(tmp));
save_stream = (stream->dtb->flags & DR_LOCAL) && !IS_REMOTE(tmp) ?
stream : context_same_stream(context, save_folder, stream);
}

at the start of this function, so that save_stream remains NULL, it
appears to work as in 4.33. Can anybody help me understand what is this
code trying to do, and why it gives us these problems? Or at least confirm
that commenting this out will not break other things ..

Thanks,
--
jozef :-)

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3 Dec 2001 at 20:23:55 ,
Bertrand PEREZ (REE) wrote the following
on the "What about "OutBox"." thread:

> very good idea!
> I need it too. But if I remmember well, this as already
> been asked and I think it has been said that this will be
> integrated somehow in a further release. Isn't it ?

That is the answer I got from the developers some time ago. I
hope it will as it is a major back step for pine.

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:44:52 -0700, Brian Murphy wrote:
> As you can clearly see, murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu should be covered
> by *.email.arizona.edu.

The authors of OpenSSL (UNIX) and SSPI (Microsoft) disagree with you. Pine's
certificate validation uses OpenSSL's ssl_compare_hostnames() on UNIX, and
SSPI's CertVerifyCertificateChainPolicy() on the PC.

I also spoke to our local security/SSL/certificate management guru, and he
confirmed that a * wildcard does not cross subdomain boundaries.

> And additionally, other mail clients work fine.

Do those other clients validate certificates?

> [IMAP Authentication cancelled]
> [No folder opened]
>
> And similarly, if I add the /novalidate-cert option, I get the same
> [IMAP Authentication cancelled] message.

This is a bug in the murphy.inbox.email.arizona.edu server. I do not know
what server implementation this is; the only identification in its startup
banner is "IMAP4 server ready (6.0.036)".

When TLS is in effect, it offers the AUTH=PLAIN SASL authentication mechanism.
The failing dialog with the server goes like this:
S: 00000003 AUTHENTICATE PLAIN
---> S: + go ahead
C: *
S: 00000003 NO authentication aborted

The problem is in the indicated line. The text of a command continuation
request response in the AUTHENTICATE command is a server challenge in BASE64
representation (RFC 2060, page 21, second paragraph). This is different from
command continuation request responses in other commands, which permit free
form text.

"go ahead" is not valid BASE64, due to the embedded space.

Furthermore, since there is no initial challenge in the PLAIN mechanism (RFC
2595, page 8, third paragraph), that challenge is required to be be zero
length (RFC 2222, page 5, section 5.1, third paragraph). Hence, the server
should have send just "+ ".

Since the server violated SASL (RFC 2222) and IMAP (RFC 2060) protocol, Pine's
IMAP client abandoned the authentication attempt.

> So, first, is this being worked on?

I don't know. Ask your local help desk if they are working on fixing the
incorrect certificate and the bugs in your local IMAP server.

> Second, is this an appropriate forum for bugs?

Better is email to [email protected].

> Third, is there some sort of bug list or tracking system that I can
> look at to follow this bug?

We have an in-house bug tracking system, but I don't think that it is
available outside of our group.

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I have my inbox sorted by reverse-arrival time (so newer stuff is on top).
However, I would still like to read my newer mail in temporal order.
Is there a way to set the delete key to move UP after I delete a message
rather than down?

I find myself doing Delete-Up-Up all the time, when I would much ratehr
just hit Delete and have the cursor be on the next message in temporal
order (even though I am sorted reverse).

Alternatively, is there a way to enable the Backspace key on lists to do
backward delete on lists, just as it does in text?

-Alex-

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This seems like a silly question to ask, but I can't figure this out (and
can't find any documentation on this)

How does one access remote IMAP INBOX (/var/spool/mail/<user>)? I can access
remote "collection" (home dir) just fine.

This is using pine 4.33 (Red Hat Linux 7.1)

Thanks,

/Simon

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Simon Epsteyn wrote:

SE> This seems like a silly question to ask, but I can't figure this out (and
SE> can't find any documentation on this)
SE>
SE> How does one access remote IMAP INBOX (/var/spool/mail/<user>)? I can access
SE> remote "collection" (home dir) just fine.
SE>
SE> This is using pine 4.33 (Red Hat Linux 7.1)

Ok, never mind that, I figured this out a second after sending this ;)

This is done via "incoming-folders= nick {host}INBOX", not via
"folder-collections="

I did not see any way to configure this other then edit .pinerc

/Simon

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Simon Epsteyn wrote:

> This seems like a silly question to ask, but I can't figure this out (and
> can't find any documentation on this)
>
> How does one access remote IMAP INBOX (/var/spool/mail/<user>)? I can access
> remote "collection" (home dir) just fine.
>
> This is using pine 4.33 (Red Hat Linux 7.1)

>From main menu, select "l" for folders, you should be on
"Incoming-Folders", hit enter, then "a" to add, you will be prompted from
there.

What I want to know, is how can I do this to access a remote inbox via
ssh? I am behind a firewall, and the only outbound access I have is
through ssh.

ssh is setup and configured correctly, works interactively just fine. i am
running 4.40 on Solaris if it matters, and have set:

incoming-folders=other-inbox {remote-server.com/user=bill}inbox
rsh-path=/usr/local/bin/ssh
rsh-command=%s /usr/local/bin/ssh %s remote-server.com %s bill %s imap
ssh-path=/usr/local/bin/ssh
ssh-command=%s /usr/local/bin/ssh %s remote-server.com %s bill %s imap

i get an error saying the remote server does not exist...

help or pointers?

thanks,

bill

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, bill hunter wrote:

bh> >From main menu, select "l" for folders, you should be on
bh> "Incoming-Folders", hit enter, then "a" to add, you will be prompted from
bh> there.

Yeah, thanks, I found that... A bit inconsistent from the rest of the setup
(via Main Menu, Setup)

bh> What I want to know, is how can I do this to access a remote inbox via
bh> ssh? I am behind a firewall, and the only outbound access I have is
bh> through ssh.

Not sure how to do this via pine, but you can always tunnel ports via SSH,
for example here's a guide I found via Google:

http://csociety.ecn.purdue.edu/~sigos/projects/ssh/forwarding/

Look on the bottom: 'Secure port forwarding with "ssh -L"'

You can forward arbitrary connections through your ssh tunnel using
the -L option. This makes your ssh client listen on a given port and
forward traffic received there through the tunnel; it instructs the
remote sshd to send the traffic to a given IP address and port.

1011 (sergent@hill-b-118:~) ssh -L 4242:shay:23 shay
1001 (sergent@shay:~)
*switch window*
1007 (sergent@hill-b-118:~) telnet localhost 4242
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.

UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0 (shay.ecn.purdue.edu)

login:

/Simon

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In the full header of a message, the Status sometimes shows 'R' or 'O' or
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, bill hunter wrote:

> ssh is setup and configured correctly, works interactively just fine. i am
> running 4.40 on Solaris if it matters, and have set:
>
> incoming-folders=other-inbox {remote-server.com/user=bill}inbox
> ssh-path=/usr/local/bin/ssh
> ssh-command=%s /usr/local/bin/ssh %s remote-server.com %s bill %s imap

You don't need to specify the remote server or the actual path to the ssh
binary in ssh-command - Pine passes them to the exec() call. I use this
(using OpenSSH 3.0.1p1, IIRC):

ssh-open-timeout=30
ssh-path=/usr/bin/ssh
ssh-command=%s %s -1 -C -i /home/richard/.ssh/imap-key -l %s exec /etc/r%sd

Note that said imap-key is an RSA key with no passphrase, and on the
remote end is set up so that the key can't be used to get a shell or run
anything other than "exec /etc/rimapd" (which may or may not exist on your
system - you'll need to check the documentation for your IMAP daemon to
see if you can make it do this). I should probably use a key that has a
passphrase, but I'm lazy... The comments above the ssh-command line in
the .pinerc documents this stuff pretty well.

You should probably also add the /Secure flag to your mailbox spec:

incoming-folders=other-inbox {remote-server.com/Secure/user=bill}inbox

Cheers

Richard

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Hi folks,

I have been using pine (currently 4.40) under FreeBSd for quite some years
now, and just today, I played around with the configuration a little one
more time. I thought I might try enabling pine's color support, but there
seems gto be a problem with just doing that:

With color support turned on (no matter which one of the three options
that are available is selected), the screen gets pretty much messed up. All
lines seem to get redrawn exactly one line below their original position.
As a result of that, the entries in pine's menues get displayed twice, and
that just looks kind of strange.

Interestingly, when trying to run pine with color under an xterm,
everything looks fine.

Any suggestions on what's wrong and how it can be fixed are welcome.

Greetings
Nils

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*** Jessie Kleefstra ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) In the full header of a message, the Status sometimes shows 'R' or 'O' or
:) 'RO'. I am assuming that the 'R' means Read but what does the 'O' mean?

It means Old: the message was there the last time that you opened the
folder and you did not delete it and expunge it from the folder. In
IMAPSTATUS those messages are marked by a blank space if they have a "R",
and marked with a "U" if there's no "R".

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People say Pine lacks HTML support. Well Pine recognizes the
blockquote tag (and others -- in *properly formatted* HTML, which is
the problem) just fine and inserts the reply lead-in correctly. T'is
4.21.

I say to the developers: good work!

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote:

> People say Pine lacks HTML support.

Really? When I used to use "mailx" (which I had for about 15 years), the
encroaching use of the dreaded HTML (no doubt brought on by people using
Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now,
Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!)

Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!"

-Kenny

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On Dec 6, 2001 at 20:03, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote:
>> People say Pine lacks HTML support.

Someone who shall remain nameless (because that was a private reply)
just told me that the behaviour I decsribed might have been Pine
replying to the text alternative of the message. Still, good!

>Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now,
>Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!)

Yes, which is all a Good Thing. I did say "sanely". The people who say
Pine lacks HTML support either use an old version or don't have Clue.

The same people who click on attachments in certain other programs.

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Hi altogether, using Pine the 1st time
each month Pine offers a number of
new monthly-folders.
Positive answers are entered in .pinerc somewhere,
which thus must be writable.
We would like to simply quell this offer,
and not write .pinerc.
However, we cannot find any suitable option.
Any hints or help ?

TIA, kind regards, hbk ;-)

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 at 08:24 +0100, plb.it <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi altogether, using Pine the 1st time
> each month Pine offers a number of
> new monthly-folders.
> Positive answers are entered in .pinerc somewhere,
> which thus must be writable.
> We would like to simply quell this offer,
> and not write .pinerc.
> However, we cannot find any suitable option.
> Any hints or help ?

read Gopi Sundaram's comp.mail.pine FAQ at
http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/other.html

Every month, Pine asks me if I want to rename my old sent-mail and delete
the old ones. How do I stop/change this behavior?

For Pine versions 4.30 and above, set the appropriate action in
the pruning-rule option under (M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig.

For earlier versions, it is only possible to make it stop renaming
and deleting your sent-mail. To do so, edit your .pinerc file,
and change the value of the last-time-prune-questioned option
to some ridiculously high value. The value for the option is of
the form years_since_1900.month. So to set it to December 2050,
you would make the value as follows:

last-time-prune-questioned=150.12

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Hello,

Does anyone know how to send an username/password to an LDAP
server via pinerc ?? Anonymous connections are denied.

Thanks

William R. Van Kuyk
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Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the
headers of this message I'm looking at?

Background: I switched to pine from elm when the
company decided all mail goes through an exchange
server (they were very gracious in not forcing me
to use OutLook as my MUA).

I run a mailing list and sometimes I want to see
all the headers just to figure out WHAT'S GOING ON
HERE!

It would not be burdensome to have to save such a
message to a special folder with strange
configuration, but it is not good enough to say,
"Show me all the headers on this list of headers."

Currently, I'm saving a message to a new folder
and looking at the folder with emacs or less. In
fact, that's how I got the Sender: header contents
for this e-mail list to put into a pine rule that
files the list traffic in its own folder.

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance Herrick wrote:

> Is tHere a way to ask pine to sHow me all tHe
> Headers of tHis message I'm looking at?

Had you botHered to Have a Hint to Harken to tHe Help, you migHt Have
seen a Heading for tHe "H" key. :-)

-Kenny

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote:

dlh>
dlh> Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the
dlh> headers of this message I'm looking at?

Sure,

>From Main menu, Setup, Config
under Advanced Command Preferences
see enable-full-header-cmd

Help (ctrl-g) for it:

This feature enables the "H Full Headers" command which toggles
between the display of all headers in the message and the normal
edited view of headers. The Full Header command also controls which
headers are included for Export, Pipe, Print, Forward, and Reply
functions. (For Reply, the Full Header mode will respect the
"include-headers-in-reply" feature setting.)

/Simon

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In Setup/Config you can goto the

[ Advanced Command Preferences ]

scroll down a bit and you will see:

[X] enable-full-header-cmd

Check that, then hit "H" when in a message to view full headers.

You can also manually edit .pinerc and make sure of the following:

feature-list=enable-full-header-cmd

Happy mailing,

Christopher Fisk

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote:

>
>Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the
>headers of this message I'm looking at?
>
>Background: I switched to pine from elm when the
>company decided all mail goes through an exchange
>server (they were very gracious in not forcing me
>to use OutLook as my MUA).
>
>I run a mailing list and sometimes I want to see
>all the headers just to figure out WHAT'S GOING ON
>HERE!
>
>It would not be burdensome to have to save such a
>message to a special folder with strange
>configuration, but it is not good enough to say,
>"Show me all the headers on this list of headers."
>
>Currently, I'm saving a message to a new folder
>and looking at the folder with emacs or less. In
>fact, that's how I got the Sender: header contents
>for this e-mail list to put into a pine rule that
>files the list traffic in its own folder.
>
>--
>dan [email protected]
>http://www.NationalReform.org/ - Explicitly Christian Politics
>Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh, but in vain.
>
>
>

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Thank-you. It's done.

That was why I subscribed to the list.

dan

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Simon Epsteyn wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote:
>
> dlh>
> dlh> Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the
> dlh> headers of this message I'm looking at?
>
> Sure,
>
> From Main menu, Setup, Config
> under Advanced Command Preferences
> see enable-full-header-cmd
>
> Help (ctrl-g) for it:
>
> This feature enables the "H Full Headers" command which toggles
> between the display of all headers in the message and the normal
> edited view of headers. The Full Header command also controls which
> headers are included for Export, Pipe, Print, Forward, and Reply
> functions. (For Reply, the Full Header mode will respect the
> "include-headers-in-reply" feature setting.)
>
> /Simon
>
>

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On Dec 7, 2001, 16:48 (-0500) daniel lance herrick <[email protected]=
=2E..:

> Is there a way to ask pine to show me all the
> headers of this message I'm looking at?

Press "h". Maybe you have to turn the feature on.

Mats

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And, again, I might not.

I did make two serious attempts, on different
days, to find this feature, and failed.

I did find a bunch of other useful features that I
have configured while I was looking for that one.
pine is not only "not elm", it is, indeed, an
upgrade from elm.

Unfortunately, my fingers are still trained to elm
dialogs and I sent my thank-yous for several
responses back to the list.

dan

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance Herrick wrote:
>
> > Is tHere a way to ask pine to sHow me all tHe
> > Headers of tHis message I'm looking at?
>
> Had you botHered to Have a Hint to Harken to tHe Help, you migHt Have
> seen a Heading for tHe "H" key. :-)
>
> -Kenny
>
> --
> KennetH R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, WasHington, D.C.
> Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 [email protected]
> Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101
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>

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote:

[ I offered a smart-ass reply to his original question ]

> And, again, I might not.

Doh!

.. that's 'cause, as another poster pointed out, "h" has to be enabled in
the M S C. First thing I did when I got pine going was to do the "?" thing
on *every* option in M S C, and came across this. Since I need full headers
at times (SPAM reporting, etc.), I'd turned this on a long time ago.

-Kenny, who dearly hates falling all over his own cute answers

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote:
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> People say Pine lacks HTML support.
>
And I for one hope that it continues not to!

One of the projects on my list of things to do when and if I ever get
some spare time is some sort of a filter that will automatically
recognize HTML email and bounce it back to the sender with a nasty
message attached.

James

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote:
>
>> People say Pine lacks HTML support.
>
>Really? When I used to use "mailx" (which I had for about 15 years), the
>encroaching use of the dreaded HTML (no doubt brought on by people using
>Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now,
>Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!)
>
>Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!"

A dissenting opinion:

HTML mail is evil. Mail clients have no business parsing
HTML, period. Adding this misfeature was a terrible move
on the part of the Pine dev team. Boo! Hiss!

--
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adb.

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote:

>HTML mail is evil.

Amen.

>Mail clients have no business parsing HTML, period.

Amen.

>Adding this misfeature was a terrible move on the part of the Pine dev
>team. Boo! Hiss!

Bullsh*t. Until you can guarantee that the stupid hash of unnecessary
tags and stupid colors etc. that some makes some misguided fools think
HTML adds value to E-mail stops coming to my box, I'm *glad* Pine has
the ability to display that crap in some sort of usable form (and even
allows me to reply to it sanely).

Now, if they were ever to add HTML *composition* features, I'd drive up
to the UofW and have their heads mounted on pikes my damn self.

-Kenny

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

>On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote:
>
>>Adding this misfeature was a terrible move on the part of the Pine dev
>>team. Boo! Hiss!
>
>Bullsh*t. Until you can guarantee that the stupid hash of unnecessary
>tags and stupid colors etc. that some makes some misguided fools think
>HTML adds value to E-mail stops coming to my box, I'm *glad* Pine has
>the ability to display that crap in some sort of usable form (and even
>allows me to reply to it sanely).

I'm *not* glad about that ability, but in fairness, I'm not in a
position where I'm forced to deal with HTML mail. I flush 99.5% of
the HTML formatted messages I receive (spam). On the rare occasion
someone sends me a legimate HTML message, I take corrective action to
insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her
mistake. If ever I did feel the need to read junk mail, I'd pipe it
through a script to filter the tags, and read the text.

Some of us really don't need or want this sort of feature -- no
bullsh*t.

--
PEACE,
adb.

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On Dec 7, 2001 at 21:23, Adam Bisaro wrote:

> HTML mail is evil. Mail clients have no business parsing
> HTML, period. Adding this misfeature was a terrible move
> on the part of the Pine dev team. Boo! Hiss!

YMV. At least pine parses it in a sane way -- only the most basic
tags, no execution, no loading of other resources (in the "URL"
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On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote:

> I'm *not* glad about that ability, but in fairness, I'm not in a
> position where I'm forced to deal with HTML mail. I flush 99.5% of
> the HTML formatted messages I receive (spam). On the rare occasion
> someone sends me a legimate HTML message, I take corrective action to
> insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her mistake.

I get a lot of mail from non-persons that's not SPAM, but is HTML-corrupt.

-Kenny

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On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote:

> I'm *not* glad about that ability, but in fairness, I'm not in a
> position where I'm forced to deal with HTML mail. I flush 99.5% of
> the HTML formatted messages I receive (spam). On the rare occasion
> someone sends me a legimate HTML message, I take corrective action to
> insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her
> mistake. If ever I did feel the need to read junk mail, I'd pipe it
> through a script to filter the tags, and read the text.
>
> Some of us really don't need or want this sort of feature -- no
> bullsh*t.

That's my experience, too. Almost all of the HTML email I get is spam.
The only others I can remember are occasional newbies on (non-computer
related) mailing lists, and a polite note telling them how NOT to send
HTML usually takes care of the problem.

I have found a use for the occasional dose of spam, though. Whenever I
start feeling humble, I have only to read one or two, reflect on the
fact that there must be people out there who fall for such scams, and my
belief in my own intellectual superiority is instantly restored :-)

James

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I've seen this addressed before, but can't find it with a Google group or
list archive search.

Fetchmail shows messages being downloaded but my various mailboxes are
empty. Their permissions on installation were 731, but changing them to 777
didn't help.

I'm running RH7.2 with it's included progs:
pine-4.33-15
procmail-3.21-1
fetchmail-5.9.0-1

A related problem. I don't know how to tell If procmail is being invoked.
There is an entry for it in sendmail.cf but it's way over my head. If it is
being invoked it shouldn't be part of the problem (says he, wishfully), as
it is set up exactly the same as it was for my old RH6.0 where it ran
flawlessly.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA
Bob Holtzman
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On Dec 9, 2001, 15:03 (-0700) Bob Holtzman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Fetchmail shows messages being downloaded but my various mailboxes are
> empty. Their permissions on installation were 731, but changing them to 7=
77
> didn't help.

Fetchmail delivers to sendmail, which uses /bin/mail, procmail or other
program according to "Mlocal" in sendmail.cf. You will have to investigate
further. Try to send a mail to yourself directly through sendmail with
"-v" on.

Mats

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>I've seen this addressed before, but can't find it with a Google group or
>list archive search.
>
>Fetchmail shows messages being downloaded but my various mailboxes are
>empty. Their permissions on installation were 731, but changing them to 777
>didn't help.
>
>I'm running RH7.2 with it's included progs:
>pine-4.33-15
>procmail-3.21-1
>fetchmail-5.9.0-1
>
>A related problem. I don't know how to tell If procmail is being invoked.
>There is an entry for it in sendmail.cf but it's way over my head. If it is
>being invoked it shouldn't be part of the problem (says he, wishfully), as
>it is set up exactly the same as it was for my old RH6.0 where it ran
>flawlessly.

First thing to check is to verify that procmail is actually working.

make sure in your .procmailrc file you have an entry for logfile.

I.E: LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail-log

If you send yourself a message and nothing shows up in the logfile then
you have issues beyond procmail.

If it is showing as delivered, you will want to verify a few other
procmail settings.

SHELL=/bin/sh
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # You'd better make sure it exists
# Most commonly you will find that
# procmail is writing to $home/Mail
# or another directory that doesn't
# really exist.
PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:.
LOCKFILE=$HOME/.lockmail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/.mbox # If you change/define $DEFAULT you
# *MUST* make sure pine knows. =)

Good bug finding.

Chris

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Hi!

How can I transfer remote pine configuration ({server}remote_pinerc) to
local machine (.pinerc)?

I saw -copy_pinerc option that transfers local configuration to remote
one. But I need a reverse of this.

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In recent pine distributions there is a program called "rpdump" to do what
you want.

rpdump -l Local_file -r Remote_folder

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Hi

Can pine do cyrillic (windows-1251 <=> koi8-r) translations?
Is this feature about to be added?

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>On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>>On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote:
>>> People say Pine lacks HTML support.
>>Really? When I used to use "mailx" (which I had for about 15 years), the
>>encroaching use of the dreaded HTML (no doubt brought on by people using
>>Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now,
>>Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!)
>>Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!"
>
>A dissenting opinion:
>
> HTML mail is evil. Mail clients have no business parsing
> HTML, period. Adding this misfeature was a terrible move
> on the part of the Pine dev team. Boo! Hiss!

I think HTML mail is evil too, but once in a while I get non-spam mail
with only an html part. I'm glad that I can view it, even if I will
often ask the person to turn off html email.

But I think I'm missing something. Is pine really viewing html
email? I have a .mailcap file, and it has:
text/html; links %s;needsterminal

in it. Isn't that line telling pine to use links as the viewer for text/html
parts? or is that only when I specifically go to the view attachments
page and select a text/html part?

What I still don't get is why I sometimes get mail with a bunch of parts,
and I *see* it in the normal pine view, but when I try to reply, the text
isn't there to reply to and it's all listed as attachments.

Lastly, the only other act-sensibly-with-rich-text-mail improvement that
I'd like to see is for pine to be able to transmogrify "rich text
quoted mail" [I think it uses <quote></quote> blocks, which can be
nested] into normal ">" style quoted text that I can edit in vim when I reply.]
This is the ONE case where I often use a GUI mail program, when I get
mail like that.

pine doesn't do anything with format=flowed, does it?

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At 12:10 AM 12/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>First thing to check is to verify that procmail is actually working.
>
>make sure in your .procmailrc file you have an entry for logfile.
>
>I.E: LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail-log

This has been present since day 1.

>
>If you send yourself a message and nothing shows up in the logfile then
>you have issues beyond procmail.

This seems to be the case as the log is empty, however /var/log/maillog
shows entries such as:

Dec 11 00:10:47 localhost sendmail[1162]: NOQUEUE: localhost.localdomain
[127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA

and running fetchmail -v shows entries such as:

fetchmail: POP3> RETR 2
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5415 octets
reading message 2 of 18 (5415 octets)
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<[email protected]>
fetchmail: SMTP< 550 5.0.0 Access denied
fetchmail: SMTP> RSET
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.0.0 Reset state
not flushed

Could this indicate a sendmail problem?

Thanks for the reply. Any further ideas would be appreciated.

Bob Holtzman
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
check the price of the beer!"

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Hi there,

I have a strange thing with PCPine 4.43 (I already had the
problem with previous releases but I did not pay that much attention):
when I try to send emails to some of my colleagues in the US from PCpine,
I receive a notification error. If I use LookOut to write to the
same addresses, it works fine :-(((((

I do not have any kind of problem with other addresses (with Pine I mean)
I tried to find out what could be the reason and I did not find
any thing except that the addresses of my colleagues in the US are
finishing like "@am1.ericsson.se"
My question is : isn't a bug/problem with pine
when the destination email address is not only made of letters (in this
case it seems to be the good explanation as I do not have the problem
for any other addresses )

thanks for your answer

BR/Bertrand

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Dear All,

Could you please help to find the reason and the fix (or workaround) for
the following problem?

When I try to save a message from my INBOX to a local mail folder, for
some of the messages I get the following error message: "Message to save
shrank! (#10: 6100 --> 6070)" (of course the message index and the size
info may differ) and Pine refuses to save the message.

Some background information:

I use PC-Pine 4.40.
The mail server is a Microsoft Exchange server.
I had this error sometimes formerly, but now I get it for most of
the messages in the INBOX.
I don't know if the mail server has been changed or updated recently, but
it might cause problems.
It is still persist.
It is always reproducible.
I had no idea about the exact meaning of the error message so I didn't try
to solve the problem.

The problem is quite annoying since I can't backup my messages.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Best regards,
Attila Bardos
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Yep, this looks like a sendmail problem.

In your /etc/mail/access file make sure you have the following lines:

localhost.localdomain RELAY
localhost RELAY
127.0.0.1 RELAY

Then recreate your access.db:
makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access

and try fetchmail again. As you can see from the log below you are
getting a 550 RELAYING DENIED, meaning your accesslist for sendmail is too
restrictive.

If that doesn't work you might want to try to upgrade your fetchmail.

Good luck,

Chris

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>fetchmail: POP3> RETR 2
>fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5415 octets
>reading message 2 of 18 (5415 octets)
>fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<[email protected]>
>fetchmail: SMTP< 550 5.0.0 Access denied
>fetchmail: SMTP> RSET
>fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.0.0 Reset state
> not flushed

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>and try fetchmail again. As you can see from the log below you are
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Actually, I'm not completely sure this is a RELAYING DENIED issue, but
it's the first step to check.

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Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox?

Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default.

Rationale: My inbox is often cluttered with messages marked as new
because they look low priority and I haven't gotten to them. But each
morning I'm most interested in new messages that are recent (near the
end). I'm looking for a quick way to get there without squinting at
the number of messages and transcribing it into a jump command.

-John

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote:

>Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox?
(cut)

Only what I can recomend is to change the sorting method.

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> Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox?
>
> Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default.
>
> Rationale: My inbox is often cluttered with messages marked as new
> because they look low priority and I haven't gotten to them. But each
> morning I'm most interested in new messages that are recent (near the
> end). I'm looking for a quick way to get there without squinting at
> the number of messages and transcribing it into a jump command.

I always just mash the spacebar till I get to the end of my INBOX. Not
very graceful, but it works.

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> Only what I can recomend is to change the sorting method.

Just press <ctrl> + <v>.

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote:

> Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox?
>
> Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by
> default.
>
> Rationale: My inbox is often cluttered with messages marked as new
> because they look low priority and I haven't gotten to them. But each
> morning I'm most interested in new messages that are recent (near the
> end). I'm looking for a quick way to get there without squinting at
> the number of messages and transcribing it into a jump command.

Your header probably says something like:

PINE 4.31 MESSAGE INDEX Folder: INBOX Message XX of YY

Where YY is the number of messages in your inbox? Hit J followed by that
number

or

hit control+w / control+v, just like in pico to reach the end of file...

-bill

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote:

>Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox?
>Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default.

In config (Main -> Setup -> Config), there is an option
"incoming-startup-rule" which determine where your cursor are when you
open an incoming mailbox. It have option for "last" message and
"first-recent" message, which probably what you want.

Other than that, manually you can type <ctrl>+<W><V>.

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, John A. Kunze wrote:

> Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox?

I use "W Ctrl-V".

-Kenny

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From: "John A. Kunze" <[email protected]>
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Thanks to everyone who replied. This reply gets to exactly what I needed.

It would be nice if J <cr> were the same as <ctrl-W> <Ctrl-V> for the
inbox list.

-John

--- On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote:

>Is there an easy way to jump to the last message of the inbox?
>Seems it would be nice if J suggested/used the last message by default.

In config (Main -> Setup -> Config), there is an option
"incoming-startup-rule" which determine where your cursor are when you
open an incoming mailbox. It have option for "last" message and
"first-recent" message, which probably what you want.

Other than that, manually you can type <ctrl>+<W><V>.

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Hi everybody,

I use Pine 4.40 and I have the following problem : I use
two news servers with some groups one one server and other
groups on the other. Problem is Pine display the whole list
of servers (from the two servers) on the two collections.

And when I want delete (eg unsubscribe) one group on one server
it is removed from the two collections ???

Am i missing sthg ?

Help welcome. Thanks in advance.

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Following help from the main menu doesn't seem to
yield anything on the subject and hitting Get Help
with the cursor in the Attchmnt: field fetches
some useful, but somewhat less technical advice.

I attached a couple .jpg files and pine labeled
them

Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream

and then metamail did not know enough to feed them
to xv.

Does this mean my pine is using the wrong mailcap
file, or can I feed it a better mailcap file? Or
can I supply the Content-Type in the
Attchmnt: field when I'm composing a message?

(The pine man page has language that suggests I
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Hi!

Pine asks me for the same password many times, i.e,
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book

So, I there a chance to input password only once at startup?

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> Following help from the main menu doesn't seem to yield anything on
> the subject and hitting Get Help with the cursor in the Attchmnt:
> field fetches some useful, but somewhat less technical advice.
>
> I attached a couple .jpg files and pine labeled them
>
> Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream
>
> and then metamail did not know enough to feed them to xv.
>
> Does this mean my pine is using the wrong mailcap file, or can I feed
> it a better mailcap file? Or can I supply the Content-Type in the
> Attchmnt: field when I'm composing a message?
>
> (The pine man page has language that suggests I can't get there from
> here.)

Dan,

I have had some bizarre image files that Solaris would identify as jpeg or
gif (when I type file imagename.jpg|gif), but that showed up as the
Octet-stream thing when attached in Pine, and usually xv cannot display
them; I have to use a web browser. No idea what causes this...

Try a few other jpg's and see if this is the problem, or at least make
sure xv can slurp them first as a test.

I have not had to tweak .mailcap or .mime-types for this for a long time
(early 3.x releases I think).

All I do is in Setup/Config specify:

image-viewer=/bin/xv

When I attach a jpg file, send it to myself, and view the details of the
attachment, it looks like this:

Details about Attachment #2 :

Type : Image
Subtype : JPEG
Encoding : BASE64
Parameters : NAME = zoso.jpg
Description : "zoso"
Disposition : ATTACHMENT; FILENAME = zoso.jpg
Approx. Size : 1,174 bytes
Display Method : "/bin/xv <datafile>"

Hope this is of some help...

-bill (who is loving the new filter capability in 4.x!)

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From: daniel lance herrick <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: How do I control Content-Type of Mime attachment
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After sending the question, I read the rest of the
man page and noticed the reference to
/etc/mime.types in the list of files. There isn't
any on these systems. A web search produced mime
types contents from some university's old help
desk pages and I copied them into ~/.mime.types

The attachment is the smallest jpeg file I could
find quickly (out of an old amaya
distribution) and should be listed as
Content-Type: image/jpeg
demonstrating that, again, pine does THE RIGHT
THING, this time using the standard configuration
instead of a magic builtin configuration.

Kudos to the pine team and thanks to the gentleman
who offered assistance.

dan

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, daniel lance herrick wrote:

> Following help from the main menu doesn't seem to
> yield anything on the subject and hitting Get Help
> with the cursor in the Attchmnt: field fetches
> some useful, but somewhat less technical advice.
>
> I attached a couple .jpg files and pine labeled
> them
>
> Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream
>
> and then metamail did not know enough to feed them
> to xv.
>
> Does this mean my pine is using the wrong mailcap
> file, or can I feed it a better mailcap file? Or
> can I supply the Content-Type in the
> Attchmnt: field when I'm composing a message?
>
> (The pine man page has language that suggests I
> can't get there from here.)
>
> dan [email protected]
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Pine 4.33: just noticed that if you enter Q while viewing the latter part
of a msg and decide not to quit, upon entering N the msg flips back to the
beginning. Can be rather annoying if the msg is a long one. If I remember
correctly this didn't happen in 3.96, you came back to the spot you were
viewing.

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My outgoing SMTP host is set to use authorization and SSL (with
novalidate_cert). That works well, but every now and then, at random, I'll
get SSL negotiation failures:

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SSL/TLS failure for mailhost.panix.com: SSL negotiation failed
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.. so I'll get bounced back to either the editing session, or the ready-to-
send screen, where if I try to "Ctrl-X" once or twice more, it'll eventually
send the message w/o the above message. After that, things are OK again.

My ISP seems to think it's not their fault:

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Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: smtp connected from 209.244.75.123:1138
Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Unknown client EHLO
Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Protocol negotiations failed

The service on port 465 was raised in a highly formal culture. It
won't do business with you (talk SMTP) until you sit down and have
a cup of tea with it (negotiate an SSL session). It considers your
attempt to talk SMTP first gauche and ill-mannered, so it exits.
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.. so, I wondered if anyone else's seen this. I've seen it on Pine 4.42 and
43 .

-Kenny

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Why is it that when I sometimes select a url to be viewed by Internet
Explorer that pine surrounds the url with "http://' '". I then have
to trim both ends of the address and refresh.

This happens only some of the time, but when I compare a working and
non-working url in pine, they are identical (i.e. no leading or trailing
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------- Forwarded message follows -------
From: Scott Mohnkern <[email protected]>
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We recently upgraded to pine 4.40 - Solaris, and we're seeing something
new.

Messages, when they are opened in pine, get moved from the mail spool, to
~/mbox.

Is there any way to eliminate this effect? I looked at the .pinerc file,
and didn't see anything there.

Scott

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*** Scott Mohnkern ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) We recently upgraded to pine 4.40 - Solaris, and we're seeing something
:) new.
:)
:) Messages, when they are opened in pine, get moved from the mail spool, to
:) ~/mbox.

Dear Scott,

My first advice it to upgrade to pine4.43, which is the stable version of
the 4.40 series. Your problem is not related to this, however.

Your problem comes from the fact that Pine was compiled enabling the
mbox driver, which has this effect when enabled. It is enabled by default.

You can eliminate this behavior without recompiling Pine, all you need to
do is add to make sure that the following appears in the user's pinerc:

disable-these-drivers=mbox

(you can try putting this in the system wide pine.conf.fixed to disable it
for everyone).

Now you need to take all mail in mbox and copy it to each person's spool.
In order to do this, I would suggest that you move (not copy) the mbox
file to the mail/ directory in each user, and manually save all messages
from mbox to INBOX (the ";" command helps here). Finally you can delete
the mbox file, but of course, don't delete this file until you have backed
up everything in there.

--
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http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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Remember that procmail has good tools for pushing
mail around from the command line. If you have a
lot of mailboxes to merge, it may be worth
checking into. What you would want is another
command that comes in the procmail package, I
think it's called "formail", but procmail is not
installed on these systems and I can't check the
man page.

(pine is well-designed to be a nice Mail User
Agent, but that makes it not-nice for doing system
administration.)

dan [email protected]
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Scott Mohnkern ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) We recently upgraded to pine 4.40 - Solaris, and we're seeing something
> :) new.
> :)
> :) Messages, when they are opened in pine, get moved from the mail spool, to
> :) ~/mbox.
>
> Dear Scott,
>
> My first advice it to upgrade to pine4.43, which is the stable version of
> the 4.40 series. Your problem is not related to this, however.
>
> Your problem comes from the fact that Pine was compiled enabling the
> mbox driver, which has this effect when enabled. It is enabled by default.
>
> You can eliminate this behavior without recompiling Pine, all you need to
> do is add to make sure that the following appears in the user's pinerc:
>
> disable-these-drivers=mbox
>
> (you can try putting this in the system wide pine.conf.fixed to disable it
> for everyone).
>
> Now you need to take all mail in mbox and copy it to each person's spool.
> In order to do this, I would suggest that you move (not copy) the mbox
> file to the mail/ directory in each user, and manually save all messages
> from mbox to INBOX (the ";" command helps here). Finally you can delete
> the mbox file, but of course, don't delete this file until you have backed
> up everything in there.
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>

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Somebody asked how to make a jpeg file be attached as image/jpeg. I think
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> My outgoing SMTP host is set to use authorization and SSL (with
> novalidate_cert). That works well, but every now and then, at random, I'll
> get SSL negotiation failures:
> SSL/TLS failure for mailhost.panix.com: SSL negotiation failed

This error message occurs when the server fails to do initial SSL
negotiation. The actual error condition occurred in the bowels of the
OpenSSL library. SSL negotiation failed" is Pine's default message for an
OpenSSL error when OpenSSL does not pass up any error message.

Generally, it means that the server closed the connection without
transmitting any SSL negotiations, although it can also happen if the
server sent non-SSL data.

stunnel, which your ISP uses, is also OpenSSL-based.

> My ISP seems to think it's not their fault:
> ----
> Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: smtp connected from 209.244.75.123:1138
> Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Unknown client EHLO
> Nov 20 15:14:41 mail2 stunnel[13580]: Protocol negotiations failed
>
> The service on port 465 was raised in a highly formal culture. It
> won't do business with you (talk SMTP) until you sit down and have
> a cup of tea with it (negotiate an SSL session). It considers your
> attempt to talk SMTP first gauche and ill-mannered, so it exits.
> ----

Try talking with your ISP again; but this time, speak with someone who
spends more time investigating a problem report and less time making
cutesy comments.

The person that you talked to seems to be under the mistaken impression
that "Unknown client EHLO" means that Pine sent an unencrypted EHLO to the
SSL SMTP server. I don't know what that message means (it isn't in my
copy of the stunnel sources), but it is impossible for Pine to send an
EHLO unless it first receives a 220 greeting.

Furthermore, any Pine error message starting with "SSL/TLS failure" occurs
after the TCP/IP connection was opened, and before there is any attempt to
read a 220 greeting or send an EHLO.

It's possible that those error messages aren't even from a Pine session,
but rather from something else; e.g. someone trying to telnet to that
port.

By the way, I know why you have had to use /novalidate-cert. The SSL
certificate used by mailhost.panix.com is for "pop3s.panix.com" which
happens to use the same IP addresses. Apparently the programmers at Panix
have not yet mastered the technique of sending appropriate certificates.
If you set smtp-server in your Pine configuration to "pop3s.panix.com" you
won't need to use /novalidate-cert, at least not until they fix their
misconfigured server.

-- Mark --

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If you're already at the index screen, and hit 'i', you get:
[Command "i" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]

Now, I realize, it's silly, why hit I if you're already at the index screen..
But I seem to do it a lot.. (I guess it's kind of like people who make
exaggerations similar to "if you don't know what you're doing in vi, hit
escape a bunch of times".)

Seems to me that non-destructive NOPs (yes that's redundant) shouldn't really
generate error/warning messages.

No, obviously I don't expect 'i' to be at the menu when you're already
in the index, just silently ignore it.

(This is with 4.40 btw.)

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Actually, strange as it may be, I find this action helpful. I access pine
a lot through the Internet. Sometimes, I'm not sure if my connection has
frozen. So, I simply hit an 'i' when I'm in the index. The [Command
"i"...] error message reassures me that things are fine. I'm sure this
isn't what the designers had in mind, but :-)

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:54:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: Matt Ackeret <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: ignore (stupid) NOPs?
>
>
> If you're already at the index screen, and hit 'i', you get:
> [Command "i" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]
>
> Now, I realize, it's silly, why hit I if you're already at the index screen..
> But I seem to do it a lot.. (I guess it's kind of like people who make
> exaggerations similar to "if you don't know what you're doing in vi, hit
> escape a bunch of times".)
>
> Seems to me that non-destructive NOPs (yes that's redundant) shouldn't really
> generate error/warning messages.
>
> No, obviously I don't expect 'i' to be at the menu when you're already
> in the index, just silently ignore it.
>
> (This is with 4.40 btw.)
>
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University of Ottawa [email protected]
451 Smyth Rd., (613)-562-5800 x 8289 (voice)
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Nick, this is called clever use of stupid things :-)

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Nick Birkett (x8289) wrote:

>Actually, strange as it may be, I find this action helpful. I access pine
>a lot through the Internet. Sometimes, I'm not sure if my connection has
>frozen. So, I simply hit an 'i' when I'm in the index. The [Command
>"i"...] error message reassures me that things are fine. I'm sure this
>isn't what the designers had in mind, but :-)
>
>On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:54:10 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Matt Ackeret <[email protected]>
>> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>> Subject: ignore (stupid) NOPs?
>>
>>
>> If you're already at the index screen, and hit 'i', you get:
>> [Command "i" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]
>>
>> Now, I realize, it's silly, why hit I if you're already at the index screen..
>> But I seem to do it a lot.. (I guess it's kind of like people who make
>> exaggerations similar to "if you don't know what you're doing in vi, hit
>> escape a bunch of times".)
>>
>> Seems to me that non-destructive NOPs (yes that's redundant) shouldn't really
>> generate error/warning messages.
>>
>> No, obviously I don't expect 'i' to be at the menu when you're already
>> in the index, just silently ignore it.
>>
>> (This is with 4.40 btw.)
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
>> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>========================================================================
>Nicholas Birkett, M.D., M.Sc.
>Epidemiology and Community Medicine
>University of Ottawa [email protected]
>451 Smyth Rd., (613)-562-5800 x 8289 (voice)
>Ottawa, Ontario, (613)-562-5465 (fax)
>Canada. K1H 8M5
>=========================================================================
>

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Time to set up "members-only posting", eh?

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Please pine-info,

can you send me an answer how I can set-up this in PINE:

In which way PINE can be set-up for "autorespond an notification to the
sender e-mail address of the incoming mail that the e-mail was received at
the receiving user server but the user can't temporary read the message
because isn't present in some period of time"?

Thank You very much!

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Hi,

> In which way PINE can be set-up for "autorespond an notification to the
> sender e-mail address of the incoming mail that the e-mail was received at
> the receiving user server but the user can't temporary read the message
> because isn't present in some period of time"?

Short answer: It's not Pine's job, ask your EMail System administrator on how
to do this.

Long answer:

This is out of the current scope for pine. The way Pine is architectured, it
acts only when the user starts it up, not in an automagical way when EMail
is being received.

What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail
resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever
an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism),
then you can use "vacation". Most Unix users fall under this category. Do a
"man vacation" to find out more about this useful little program.

If you use PC Pine (or some other non Unix implementation), but your server
resides on a Unix system and you have access to it, then you can as well use
"vacation".

Other, more powerful alternatives to vacation include procmail:

http://www.procmail.org/

If your EMail resides on a Windows, Mac or some other EMail system, then you
are at the mercy of whatever your EMail system allows you to do with incoming
mail on an automated basis. Ask your EMail administrator.

In the Windows world, Outlook has a proprietary mechanism to talk to a
Microsoft Exchange server and negotiate mail-autoresponding while you are
away. The user gets the impression that this is a functionality of the EMail
client while in reality it's the server that does the work.

As for Pine, it would be a nice thing to include vacation and/or procmail
configuration integration into the Pine user interface to facilitate such
functionality, at least on Unix systems.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Constantin

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Howdy,

Well, Eduardo Chappa has been kind enough to 1) write a patch, and 2)
spend time with me to help see why it's not functioning as expected on my
install of pine. I'm speaking of the 'fancy threading' patch:

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/fancy.html

The patch itself has been eliminated as the cause for the problem. We've
discovered that the thread information returned by my IMAP server doesn't
properly report parent/child relationships, which is causing the messages
not to appear threaded properly. However, I don't know if it's a failing
in courier-imap (which we're using) to interpret Pine's requests properly,
or a failing in Pine to properly form the request.

So, I'm wondering if anyone out there who uses pine 4.43 to access a
remote IMAP account on a server running courier-imap (any version) could
download a copy of Eduardo's patch, patch pine, and test out the
threading. I was able to easily demonstrate that threading wasn't
happening properly with a few simple tests (compose a message, reply to a
message or two, compose a new one, reply to some replys), but if you need
messages that I've verified to display the non-threading behavior, I can
provide 'em.

The problem that I was seeing was that none of the messages were assigned
a parent by the server (gdb helped reveal this), so there was no usable
way for the pine to display threads. If, however, pine was invoked on a
local inbox containing the same messages, threading worked just dandy,
since the server was no longer used to report threads.

FWIW, we have several mutt users, and threading works for them. However,
I have no idea if mutt implements threads in a similar manner to this
patch.

Thanks in advance! I'd really like to hear if others with my setup are
able to use this patch.

Joel

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 [email protected] wrote:
>What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail
>resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever
>an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism),
>then you can use "vacation".

Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning about
vacation.

Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such.
If you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING LIST,
and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus snowballing into
a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at least temporarily) removed
from the mailing list.

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> >What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail
> >resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever
> >an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism),
> >then you can use "vacation".
>
> Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning
> about vacation.
>
> Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such. If
> you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING
> LIST, and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus
> snowballing into a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at
> least temporarily) removed from the mailing list.

Right on topic, thanks!!

As a listowner and list-"assistant", as well as a listmember of many
lists, I cannot agree too strongly with this one!!

Freda Birnbaum, [email protected]
"Call on God, but row away from the rocks"

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But isn't vacation, unlike some commercial
software from large vendors, clever enough to not
send its automatic message in response to properly
marked list mail?

dan

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
> > >What you need to do the above is a program called "vacation". If your EMail
> > >resides on a Unix server and if your server allows you to run programs whenever
> > >an EMail is received for you by the system (through the .forward-mechanism),
> > >then you can use "vacation".
> >
> > Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning
> > about vacation.
> >
> > Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such. If
> > you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING
> > LIST, and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus
> > snowballing into a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at
> > least temporarily) removed from the mailing list.
>
> Right on topic, thanks!!
>
> As a listowner and list-"assistant", as well as a listmember of many
> lists, I cannot agree too strongly with this one!!
>
> Freda Birnbaum, [email protected]
> "Call on God, but row away from the rocks"
>

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On Dec 20, 2001, 09:47 (-0800) Matt Ackeret <[email protected]> wrote:

> Though we're getting even further off topic, just a bit of warning about
> vacation.
>
> Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such.
> If you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING LIST=
,
> and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus snowballing in=
to
> a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at least temporarily) remov=
ed
> from the mailing list.

The warning is valid, but vacation is smart or conservative enough not to
cause the problem if correctly configured.

Vacation sends no auto-message unless the mail is addressed TO the address
or one of the addresses that you have configured vacation to react on. I
would typically tell vacation to react on "[email protected]". If and
only of the mail is sent TO that address any message will be sent. No
messages will be sent to a mail TO "[email protected]".

A second limitation of vacation is that it only sends one auto-message per
two weeks (a time period that could be set).

Mats

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Hi,

> Think carefully before you set up auto-respond messages and such.
> If you get mailing lists, your auto-responses will GO TO THE MAILING LIST,
> and then people will complain to you and/or the list, thus snowballing into
> a big pain in the neck, and you likely being (at least temporarily) removed
> from the mailing list.

yes, that's true. That's one of the reasons I would recommend procmail
over the traditional vacation. It comes with some nice scripts for providing
a good, solid vacation-like mechanism without the threat of auto-answering
to mailing-lists and daemons.

Still, I don't think this is off-topic. Pine has been designed with Usability
in mind. One of its core features are ease of use. And as we see from the
previous EMails, a user does not care who provides the service of auto-
responding he just wants the notification to reach the sendet when he's away.

Since Pine is their interface of choice for doing anything EMail-related, it's
logical that Pine users ask for this functionality to be included into Pine.

So, it really would be nice if Pine (at least under Unix) would help users
configure their vacation program (or even Procmail, but that's another story).

Just my two Euro-cents.

Regards,
Constantin

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Constantin Gonzalez wrote:

> Since Pine is their interface of choice for doing anything EMail-related, it's
> logical that Pine users ask for this functionality to be included into Pine.

Hrmph. I suggest we take a vote on that.

Hell, what's next to go into pine? We've already *got* newsreading, file
management, and mail- why not go completely Bloatware and add an office
suite, too?!

-Kenny

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

> Hell, what's next to go into pine? We've already *got* newsreading, file
> management, and mail- why not go completely Bloatware and add an office
> suite, too?!

Great idea! And while they're at it, the Pine team should make it
susceptible to all those windoze virii, too. After all, what's
compatibility if not complete? :-)

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Hey,

I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking advantage of pine's
ability to define multiple smtp servers, since we work both from the
office and from home. However, I constantly find myself forgetting to
shuffle the appropriate server name up and down depending on where I'm
working from. This leads to the first message I send failing, and me
having to remember to re-shuffle my server names.

Would it be valuable to allow you to choose which smtp server to use for a
particular message, much like a sending filter? That way, when I send a
message, I could shuffle through my smtp servers to decide which one to
use upon sending. This could, of course, be configurable, so if I didn't
want the choice, I wouldn't have it. Or maybe this would only be
available if multiple smtp servers were defined in the config.

Thinking about this, now that I've written this down, this may end up
being more of a pain than a feature. Have other people found this to be
something they might need?

Joel

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Subject: Problem with MIME attachments in PC-Pine
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Most of our PC-Pine users (various versions of PC-Pine 4.XX) are
experiencing problems when they send mail attachments. The "boundary="
string as it appears in the "Content-type" header is different from the
string in the body of the message. As a result, the recipient's mail
program sees the message as malformed or empty, the text body can not be
read and the attachments can not be opened.

Any ideas what's causing this and how the problem can be overcome?

Thanks,

David Sitman
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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*** Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on...:

:) I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking advantage of
:) pine's ability to define multiple smtp servers, since we work both from
:) the office and from home. However, I constantly find myself forgetting
:) to shuffle the appropriate server name up and down depending on where
:) I'm working from. This leads to the first message I send failing, and
:) me having to remember to re-shuffle my server names.
:) [snip]
:) Thinking about this, now that I've written this down, this may end up
:) being more of a pain than a feature. Have other people found this to be
:) something they might need?

Hello Joel,

You can't do this as you ask for. Given that you know that smtp-server
is a list, and that doesn't work for you, you can try a patch that I have
in my web page which allows you to "define your own rules...". Among other
things you can do this.

If you apply the patch then all you need to do is to define the new
variable "smtp-rules" to be something like

_ROLE_ == {nick of role} => _SMTP_{some.smtp.server}
_ADDRESSTO_ == {[email protected]} => _SMTP_{another.smtp.server}
_TO_ == {Fred Flinstones} => _SMTP_{smtp.bedrock.foo}

What the patch will do is to add all the smtp servers where it finds a
match to the top of the list of stmp-servers (so the first match will be
the first smtp server in your new list, the second match the second in
your list, and so on, and all that is followed by your list of smtp
servers).

As you point out, it would also be nice to be able to choose the smtp
server among a list of possible smtp servers, in the same way that one
chooses a printer when you print from pine, but that today is not possible
yet.

--
Eduardo
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On Dec 26, 2001, 10:32 (+0200) David Sitman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Most of our PC-Pine users (various versions of PC-Pine 4.XX) are
> experiencing problems when they send mail attachments. The "boundary=3D"
> string as it appears in the "Content-type" header is different from the
> string in the body of the message. As a result, the recipient's mail
> program sees the message as malformed or empty, the text body can not be
> read and the attachments can not be opened.

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It looks like the boundary in the header has been converted to Base64 in
the header, though against the protocol as far as I know. Is that the
fault of pine, or is the mail altertered on its way.

What is the "Sanitizer"? What does that do?

How does the mail look like in "sent-mail"?

Mats

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I am attempting to eliminate the Authentication-Warning message that
appears in our syslog file (see sample below of the three lines). It does
not appear for everybody, just myself> I have adjusted my PINE (.pinerc)
configuration file (SMTP-server) in an attempt to stop the message, but to
no avail. What is interesting that this error appears only to occur on my
account.

Any thoughts what might cause this problem?

Thanks in advance.

-- Steve Lowe
Aurora University
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Hey, I get it too occasionally - not in a syslog file but on msgs to
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Steve Lowe wrote:

>
>
> I am attempting to eliminate the Authentication-Warning message that
> appears in our syslog file (see sample below of the three lines). It does
> not appear for everybody, just myself> I have adjusted my PINE (.pinerc)
> configuration file (SMTP-server) in an attempt to stop the message, but to
> no avail. What is interesting that this error appears only to occur on my
> account.
>
> Any thoughts what might cause this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -- Steve Lowe
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On 25 Dec 2001 Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote:
> I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking
> advantage of pine's ability to define multiple smtp servers,
> since we work both from the office and from home. However, I
> constantly find myself forgetting to shuffle the appropriate
> server name up and down depending on where I'm working from.
> This leads to the first message I send failing, and me having
> to remember to re-shuffle my server names.

I also have this problem and I don't understand why Pine doesn't
step to the next SMTP server in the list and try that one when
the first fails. Could someone on the Pine team explain how the
smtp-server list is supposed to work so I can update my Power
Pine page so it accurately describes how this list variable
works.

> Would it be valuable to allow you to choose which smtp server
> to use for a particular message, much like a sending filter?

I also would really like this and it's my first wish in my Pine
wish list, which is here

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishesMisc

Can you describe more about your setup? Do you have a laptop that
you move back and forth between work and home? What operating
system is it running? What version of Pine are you running? Does
one or both of your SMTP servers reside on a system that you can
SSH to? Depending on your answers, I may have some suggestions
for easy ways to set things up so you don't need to worry about
swapping your smtp-server list.

-Nancy

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On Dec 26, 2001, 19:46 (-0600) Steve Lowe <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am attempting to eliminate the Authentication-Warning message that
> appears in our syslog file (see sample below of the three lines). It doe=
s
> not appear for everybody, just myself> I have adjusted my PINE (.pinerc)
> configuration file (SMTP-server) in an attempt to stop the message, but t=
o
> no avail. What is interesting that this error appears only to occur on m=
y
> account.

If you send the mail through an SMTP server instead of directly via
sendmail you will not get the warning. Another solution is to update
sendmail.cf with your user id:

From=20sendmail.cf:

#####################
# Trusted users #
#####################

# this is equivalent to setting class "t"
#Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users
Troot
Tdaemon
Tuucp

Add "Tslowe" to remove the warning.

Mats

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> I also have this problem and I don't understand why Pine doesn't step to
> the next SMTP server in the list and try that one when the first fails.
> Could someone on the Pine team explain how the smtp-server list is
> supposed to work so I can update my Power Pine page so it accurately
> describes how this list variable works.

Actually, I should amend this slightly. I have found that Pine tries the
next server when the first one fails, at least sometimes. But I don't
know under what conditions it does this. It may be a function of not
being able to locate the SMTP server, or perhaps the server denying
relaying, or something else.

> I also would really like this and it's my first wish in my Pine
> wish list, which is here
>
> http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishesMisc

Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one ;)

> Can you describe more about your setup? Do you have a laptop that
> you move back and forth between work and home? What operating
> system is it running? What version of Pine are you running? Does
> one or both of your SMTP servers reside on a system that you can
> SSH to? Depending on your answers, I may have some suggestions
> for easy ways to set things up so you don't need to worry about
> swapping your smtp-server list.

I have a laptop that I bring to and from the office with me. It uses RH
7.1, with Pine 4.43, patched with Eduardo's excellent fancy thread patch.

At the office, since I'm connected from the proper IP address, I am
immediately authenticated on our SMTP server, and can freely relay mail
with it. However, we also try to provide our SMTP server to our
Ministries (we are a non-profit, providing free hosting to online
Ministries) in a secure and intelligent manner. The method we've chosen
is to require POP (or IMAP) authentication before sending. Once you've
successfully authenticated on our POP server (which you can only do if you
have an email account with us, of course), your IP address is recorded on
our SMTP server, and that IP is allowed a 30-minute window to send email.
Once that 30 minutes is up, you need to re-authenticate.

So, from my apartment, this normally wouldn't be a problem, since I'm
usually doing a lot with email whenever I'm online. However, there are
times when I'm not authenticated, and my send fails. It's a simple matter
to re-check mail and send again. However, ATT@Home also provides a SMTP
server that I can use, and since I'm connecting from an ATT IP from home,
no further authentication is needed. Thus, from home, I prefer to use
their smtp server to eliminate any potential sending barriers.

I can definitely not SSH into the ATT server. I can SSH into the work
one, but I'd rather not use that for pine, since I prefer running it on a
local machine (especially when I'm on a dialup, as I am now). I'm willing
to accept the extra overhead of shuffling SMTP servers if the only other
option is using pine on a remote server.

Thanks for your time -- if you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate
to let me know. Sorry for the rather lengthy email.

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<snip>
> If you apply the patch then all you need to do is to define the new
> variable "smtp-rules" to be something like
>
> _ROLE_ == {nick of role} => _SMTP_{some.smtp.server}
> _ADDRESSTO_ == {[email protected]} => _SMTP_{another.smtp.server}
> _TO_ == {Fred Flinstones} => _SMTP_{smtp.bedrock.foo}
>
> What the patch will do is to add all the smtp servers where it finds a
> match to the top of the list of stmp-servers (so the first match will be
> the first smtp server in your new list, the second match the second in
> your list, and so on, and all that is followed by your list of smtp
> servers).

I looked at the patch before posting, but it didn't seem to me that it
solved my problem. My criteria for choosing which SMTP server to use is
my physical location, not which role I'm using, or which person I'm
sending to, or anything like that. So, if this patch could somehow use my
system's external IP address as an operand in the conditional test, that
would solve the problem. However, many times I'm connected from behind a
firewall, so my own machine's IP address would be a 10.*.*.* address. In
fact, nothing about my network settings change from when I connect at work
or connect at home -- the two networks are setup almost identically, from
my machine's perspective.

So I guess I don't know if that would be an option or not.

> As you point out, it would also be nice to be able to choose the smtp
> server among a list of possible smtp servers, in the same way that one
> chooses a printer when you print from pine, but that today is not
> possible yet.

Okay, I figured I'd ask, and see if others shared the feature wish.

Thanks for everyone's helpful comments.

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*** Nancy McGough ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) On 25 Dec 2001 Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote:
:) > I, and others I work with, have found ourselves taking advantage of
:) > pine's ability to define multiple smtp servers, since we work both
:) > from the office and from home. However, I constantly find myself
:) > forgetting to shuffle the appropriate server name up and down
:) > depending on where I'm working from. This leads to the first message
:) > I send failing, and me having to remember to re-shuffle my server
:) > names.
:)
:) I also have this problem and I don't understand why Pine doesn't step
:) to the next SMTP server in the list and try that one when the first
:) fails.

A quick reading of the smtp code shows that pine will step to the second
server if (and only if) a connection to the first server fails. This is
different than if the first server fails to send.

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>From [email protected] Thu Dec 27 23:26:04 2001
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I always keep a very large number of messages on the pop-3 server (at
present 1794 showing - there have been more on the past without problems).
This is a unix system running pine 4.33 for several months now - there had
been problems before with 3.96 and then 4.05, with 4.05 constantly giving
aborts and core dumps.

Today upon opening the INBOX could immediately see that it was corrupted:
1st msg appears three times (as msg 1, 2, and 3) - it's been there for
months and has always appeared properly. Follows several msgs with a blank
screen then 1 with subject, etc., then more blanks, J(ump) to msg number
or Space to page causes an abort (with core dump) with the error message
on abort:

[Error writing scratch file at byte 8191][><][]
Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
Pine Exiting.
Abort (core dumped)

Since this first happened I have been unable to actually open or read any
messages.

Perhaps I should mention that for some strange reason the popper kind of
"wraps" the msgs: msgs from approximately 120-1794 are old (and
chronological), then it continues with msg 1 (follows 1794
chronologically) and inserts new msgs around 107 (yesterday's new message
point with a slightly lower count of total messages). Neither pine nor
webmail seems to be bothered by this - and webmail is presently functional
while pine certainly isn't.

the core dump is immense and I haven't really looked at it yet:

cat core only shows the word ELF and two cute moonlike (sunlike?) faces

Has anyone experienced anything remotely similar or does anyone have the
faintest idea what is going on?

Kind of reminds me of the old "message to save shrank" behavior with
earlier versions of pine....

To make things worse: tried to postpone this message (error writing to
scratch file, no space left on device) - not true: I'm at least 3 megs
under quota

Nor could I send this message from pine:

Error 252 - [email protected] - Insufficient

(goes off line - assume says insufficient space on device or something!)

what's going on here?

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Hi,

This may not necessarily be a pine question.

A few days ago, my organization changed our email
server. I used to connect to the older server over
IMAP and do so with the new server too. The
difference is, now, messages are not marked as new (no
'N'). Nothing changed on my desktop. I use pine 4.33
for RHLinux 7.2.

Where should I be looking for answers ?

TIA,

Tuka

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On Dec 28, 2001, 05:18 (-0800) Tuka Mhane <[email protected]> wrote:

> A few days ago, my organization changed our email
> server. I used to connect to the older server over
> IMAP and do so with the new server too. The
> difference is, now, messages are not marked as new (no
> 'N'). Nothing changed on my desktop. I use pine 4.33
> for RHLinux 7.2.
>
> Where should I be looking for answers ?

Pine displays the flags set by the IMAP server. You should check the IMAP
server. Try with some other IMAP client, e.g. Netscape, to see if it has
the N flag set.

Mats

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Check your mail transfer and mail delivery software including virus
checking software. It looks like something is (incorrectly) changing the
boundary delimiter generated by Pine into a quoted-printable word prior to
delivery. I suspect that it is external to Pine.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, David Sitman wrote:
> Most of our PC-Pine users (various versions of PC-Pine 4.XX) are
> experiencing problems when they send mail attachments. The "boundary="
> string as it appears in the "Content-type" header is different from the
> string in the body of the message. As a result, the recipient's mail
> program sees the message as malformed or empty, the text body can not be
> read and the attachments can not be opened.
>
> Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; boundary="=?iso-8859-1?B?NTQwODc0MS0xMjQ4LTEwMDkzNTM0MTY9OjE4Njg=?="

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On 27 Dec 2001 Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote:
> I have a laptop that I bring to and from the office with me. It uses RH
> 7.1, with Pine 4.43, patched with Eduardo's excellent fancy thread patch.

Here are 3 possible solutions.

1] In your pinerc, set

smtp-server=localhost

and then set up ssh port forwarding to forward your machine's
port 25 to your work machine's SMTP server. This should then work
whether you are at home or work because the requests to your work
SMTP server will appear to be local.

I've done this with PC-Pine and SecureCRT port forwarding but
I've never done it from a Linux box. If anyone has successfully
done this on *nix, I'd appreciate info so I can 1) try it and 2)
add info about it in my Using Port Forwarding with Pine, which is
here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ssh>

2] Set your SMTP server to your work smtp server

smtp-server=work.smtp.server

And also set things up so that Pine always does an
IMAP-before-SMTP authentication before it attempts to send. The
way I do this is by putting my Pine address book on the IMAP
server and then when I start the composition of a message, Pine
checks the remote abook on the IMAP server and authenticates. You
then need to compose the message in less than 30 minutes! Another
possibility is to have the Fcc mailbox be on the IMAP server --
this will also make Pine do an IMAP-before-SMTP authentication
before sending.

3] Set up three pine aliases

pine echo "use pinehome or pinework"
pinehome "\pine -x .pinercexHome"
pinework "\pine -x .pinercexWork"

and then put the appropriate smtp-server setting (and any other
location-specific settings) in the pine exception files. I
discuss this kind of thing in Compartmentalizing and Sharing Your
Pine Settings, which is here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/sharing/>

Hope one of these works for you!
Nancy
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Nancy McGough wrote:

> And also set things up so that Pine always does an
> IMAP-before-SMTP authentication before it attempts to send. The
> way I do this is by putting my Pine address book on the IMAP
> server and then when I start the composition of a message, Pine
> checks the remote abook on the IMAP server and authenticates. You
> then need to compose the message in less than 30 minutes! Another
> possibility is to have the Fcc mailbox be on the IMAP server --
> this will also make Pine do an IMAP-before-SMTP authentication
> before sending.

These methods work only in 4.33; some of the optimizations done in the 4.4X
series means IB4S doesn't work anymore. Thankfully, my ISP went to SMTP
AUTH and I didn't have the problem anymore.

-Kenny

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Hello,
If any plan to include i18n support in Pine.

If yes, Anybody is currently working in this area ?

Regards,
Bharathi S.

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On 31 Dec 2001 Kenneth Crudup ([email protected]) wrote:
> > And also set things up so that Pine always does an
> > IMAP-before-SMTP authentication before it attempts to send. The
> > way I do this is by putting my Pine address book on the IMAP
> > server and then when I start the composition of a message, Pine
> > checks the remote abook on the IMAP server and authenticates. You
> > then need to compose the message in less than 30 minutes! Another
> > possibility is to have the Fcc mailbox be on the IMAP server --
> > this will also make Pine do an IMAP-before-SMTP authentication
> > before sending.
>
> These methods work only in 4.33; some of the optimizations done in the 4.4X
> series means IB4S doesn't work anymore. Thankfully, my ISP went to SMTP
> AUTH and I didn't have the problem anymore.

Thanks for the info Kenneth. Here are some questions...

* In Pine 4.43, does *any* method work to do IB4S, e.g., opening
an IMAP mailbox within 30 minutes (or whatever the window is)?

* What about PB4S -- can Pine 4.43 do that?

* Are IB4S and PB4S common acronyms?? (This is the first I've
heard of them!)

Side Question: I see you have a panix account -- what do you
think of their IMAP setup? I include them in my IMAP service
provider list, which is here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/#publicAddress>

but their description of IMAP access sounds odd.

Thanks for any info!
Nancy
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, S Bharathi wrote:

> Hello,
> If any plan to include i18n support in Pine.
>
> If yes, Anybody is currently working in this area ?

For the uninitiated, "i18n" is "internationalization" - "i" then 18 letters
then "n".

I have done some work on this, but have received no replies to my previous
questions on this list about others doing the same. Here is my status:

* I have configured Pine to use "display-filters", such that messages on
certain charsets are sent through "iconv" (available in Linux) to translate to
UTF-8.

* I patched Pine so that it does not clear-screen before and after using a
display-filter.

* I access Pine using Anzio (Windows telnet client), which can accept UTF-8
coming from the host.

* This works for the body text of messages. It also works for passthrough
print.

* There is some built-in conversion capability, but it appears that it is
being used only for search logic.

* I have not yet figured out how to make Pine translate headers, such as the
"From:" and "Subject:" lines, according to their embedded charset identifiers.
In fact, these can sometimes confuse the UTF rendering in Anzio. This is the
highest priority for me.

* I have done nothing for:
a) translating Pine's prompts and messages.
b) translating incoming keystrokes.
c) adjustment of word break and line break logic
d) case conversion
e) sort order

* Other notes:
a) It would be nice to remove the character set warning message.
b) I believe there are some places where Pine treats characters in the
hex-80 to hex-9F range as control characters. But in some charsets, such as
Windows-1252, there are legitimate displayable characters in these locations.

Hope this helps.

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...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Nancy McGough wrote:

> * In Pine 4.43, does *any* method work to do IB4S, e.g., opening
> an IMAP mailbox within 30 minutes (or whatever the window is)?

Yeah. What I'd do is that when my SMTP session window expired and I'd get
an error on "send", I'd "pOstpone" the message, which would re-login to
the IMAP server, then I'd do a "Compose/continue postponed" and get a
new 30min window as well.

> * What about PB4S -- can Pine 4.43 do that?

Can't say for sure.

> * Are IB4S and PB4S common acronyms?? (This is the first I've
> heard of them!)

Hey! I've started a new acronym!

> Side Question: I see you have a panix account -- what do you
> think of their IMAP setup?

They use a funky way of filling the INBOX, but it works well for me. Now
that they have SMTP AUTH (spurred in part by the failure of the 4.4X
series to do IB4S consistently) I'm completely satisfied.

-Kenny

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