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*** Kevin Metzger ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) As the sysadmin I'm growing increassingly annoyed at my users replying
:) to all instead of replying to the sender only when the origional email
:) was sent to a group. Is there a feature that I can set in the
:) /usr/local/lib/pine.conf that will make the default action reply to
:) sender?

I can't think of any way to do this, what I may suggest though is that you
suggest users to use the Bcc: or Lcc: fields to send mass e-mails. In that
way users won't be able to answer to everyone, unless added intentionally.
You may want to add this headers in the list of default-composer-headers
in your pine.conf file, so that users will always have them listed there.

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Hey,

I recently installed RH 7.1, but didn't install the 4.33 rpm
from the distro, instead, I'd installed the 4.33 I'd backed up
when I'd upgraded pine in RH 6.2.

But, for some odd reason, while the Home & End keys work in
bash, I only get a system beep using them in RH 7.1.

How can I enable them in pine too?

Meph

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*** Meph Istopheles ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I recently installed RH 7.1, but didn't install the 4.33 rpm from the
:) distro, instead, I'd installed the 4.33 I'd backed up when I'd upgraded
:) pine in RH 6.2.
:)
:) But, for some odd reason, while the Home & End keys work in bash, I
:) only get a system beep using them in RH 7.1.
:)
:) How can I enable them in pine too?

Redhat modifies the source code of Pine to make it have these nice
features. I believe they include the necessary patches in their
distribution, but since I've never used Redhat I can't confirm this.

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Hey Eduardo,

> :) I recently installed RH 7.1, but didn't install the 4.33
> :) rpm from the distro, instead, I'd installed the 4.33 I'd
> :) backed up when I'd upgraded pine in RH 6.2.

> :) But, for some odd reason, while the Home & End keys work
> :) in bash, I only get a system beep using them in RH 7.1.

> :) How can I enable them in pine too?

> Redhat modifies the source code of Pine to make it have these
> nice features. I believe they include the necessary patches in
> their distribution, but since I've never used Redhat I can't
> confirm this.

Good ol' RH.

So, barring actually succeeding with compiling a current
release (remember, I'd found no way to get it to compile & had to
go with an rpm in RH 6.0 & 6.2), think there's another either rpm
or maybe deb file which would install intelligently?

Meph

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Meph Istopheles wrote:

> I recently installed RH 7.1, but didn't install the 4.33 rpm
>from the distro, instead, I'd installed the 4.33 I'd backed up
>when I'd upgraded pine in RH 6.2.
>
> But, for some odd reason, while the Home & End keys work in
>bash, I only get a system beep using them in RH 7.1.
>
> How can I enable them in pine too?

PINE as shipped in Red Hat Linux 7.1, and released erratum works
fine with HOME/END.

Make sure you're using the system supplied /etc/inputrc, bash,
and other core system utilities, and all erratum have been
applied.

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>:) I recently installed RH 7.1, but didn't install the 4.33 rpm from the
>:) distro, instead, I'd installed the 4.33 I'd backed up when I'd upgraded
>:) pine in RH 6.2.
>:)
>:) But, for some odd reason, while the Home & End keys work in bash, I
>:) only get a system beep using them in RH 7.1.
>:)
>:) How can I enable them in pine too?
>
>Redhat modifies the source code of Pine to make it have these nice
>features. I believe they include the necessary patches in their
>distribution, but since I've never used Redhat I can't confirm this.

Patch attached. UW is free to apply this patch to the official
sources under the PINE licence, etc... blah blah blah.

;o)

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Meph Istopheles wrote:

>> :) I recently installed RH 7.1, but didn't install the 4.33
>> :) rpm from the distro, instead, I'd installed the 4.33 I'd
>> :) backed up when I'd upgraded pine in RH 6.2.
>
>> :) But, for some odd reason, while the Home & End keys work
>> :) in bash, I only get a system beep using them in RH 7.1.
>
>> :) How can I enable them in pine too?
>
>> Redhat modifies the source code of Pine to make it have these
>> nice features. I believe they include the necessary patches in
>> their distribution, but since I've never used Redhat I can't
>> confirm this.
>
> Good ol' RH.
>
> So, barring actually succeeding with compiling a current
>release (remember, I'd found no way to get it to compile & had to
>go with an rpm in RH 6.0 & 6.2), think there's another either rpm
>or maybe deb file which would install intelligently?

You could use the PINE 4.33 rpms released for Red Hat Linux 7.1
to make things the easiest. ;o) The patch is in my last mail
nonetheless if you're a build-it-from-source'er.

Take care,
TTYL

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> Patch attached.

I just applied it; where will these new Home/End keys apply? They aren't
recognized in the "Message Index" or during a header edit. Pine 4.40 (the
patch applied cleanly).

I only use "pine", BTW, not "pico" or "pilot".

-Kenny

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:38:26 -0800 (PST)
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>On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>
>> Patch attached.
>
>I just applied it; where will these new Home/End keys apply? They aren't
>recognized in the "Message Index" or during a header edit. Pine 4.40 (the
>patch applied cleanly).
>
>I only use "pine", BTW, not "pico" or "pilot".

While editing a message.

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On 1 Nov 2001 Eduardo Chappa ([email protected]) wrote:
> *** Kevin Metzger ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
> :) As the sysadmin I'm growing increassingly annoyed at my users replying
> :) to all instead of replying to the sender only when the origional email
> :) was sent to a group. Is there a feature that I can set in the
> :) /usr/local/lib/pine.conf that will make the default action reply to
> :) sender?
>
> I can't think of any way to do this, what I may suggest though is that you
> suggest users to use the Bcc: or Lcc: fields to send mass e-mails. In that
> way users won't be able to answer to everyone, unless added intentionally.
> You may want to add this headers in the list of default-composer-headers
> in your pine.conf file, so that users will always have them listed there.

Excellent suggestions Eduardo. Also, explain to your users the
difference between Bcc and Lcc and tell them that if they leave
the To and Cc headers blank, then they should use the Lcc rather
than the Bcc header. Another thing you can do is add Reply-To to
the default-composer-hdrs and train your users to fill it in if
they want replies to go to a particular address or addresses. So,
for example, you might put this in pine.conf

default-composer-hdrs=From,
Reply-To,
To,
Cc,
Lcc,
Bcc,
Fcc,
Organization,
Newsgroups,
Subject

You could also set the viewer-hdrs so that users will see the
Reply-To header by default when they are viewing a message.

I also recommend adding

no-reply-always-uses-reply-to

to the pine.conf feature-list so that users will get notified
about what's going on with the Reply-To header (this will help to
prevent embarrassments in mailing lists that use the Reply-To
header). This feature is one of the favorites that I list here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#faveSettings>

HTH,
Nancy
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

>>I just applied it; where will these new Home/End keys apply?
>>I only use "pine", BTW, not "pico" or "pilot".

> While editing a message.

Ah, so this doesn't apply to me, then. I have alt-editor set (to "vi").

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On 31 Oct 2001 Eduardo Chappa ([email protected]) wrote:
> *** Erwan Becquet ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) - About the second (aggregate select new messages), it works well
> :) except it doesn't highlight folders which contains subfolders
> :) containing new messages. It is ok only if you have a folder tree
> :) with depth 1 maxi. It's not my case :-( Or I missed sthing ?
>
> Yes I mentioned in my post that this would not work in subdirectories of
> the collection. You can't expect Pine to do this because this may take a
> lot of resources and time (e.g. imagine if someone put their collection in
> /usr)

If your mailboxes are on an IMAP server, you can use a separate
program to monitor them and tell you how many new messages each
has. I use Mulberry to do this and it works wonderfully. As I
discuss here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#mulberryVpine>

Pine and Mulberry work well as complementary programs.

Good luck,
Nancy
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As the sysadmin I'm growing increassingly annoyed at my users replying to all
instead of replying to the sender only when the origional email was sent to a
group. Is there a feature that I can set in the
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf that will make the default action reply to sender? I
just finished deleting 20 "me too!" messages in responce to HR asking who
would like to attend a 401k meeting because everyone replied to all. I'm know
they have to answer the question following the repy button, but I would like
to defaut that to "sender only".

I'm running Pine 4.10 that has worked flawlessly since it came out. I'll
upgrade if I _need_ to, but would rather not fix what isn't broken.

TIA
kevin

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Is there a way to select multiple attachments at once without having
to hit control-t in the attachment field each time? I realize that I could
type the in the filenames, but some of them are very long and it is
easier to use the control-t option. Every time I hit s to select the
attachment, it takes me to the message screen instead of the list of
files. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Hello. I'm always a bit cautious when posting my first message to a
mailing list; I'm always a bit concerned I'll step on someone's toes
right away.

I have sort of a few unique problems. I hope you don't mind me
bringing these questions to you.

I am a recent convert to Mac OS X, and after getting quite disgusted
with Apple's Mail problem, I downloaded and installed PINE v4.40 onto
my computer. It appears to be working quite well.

I do, however, have three questions:

First, is there a way to call upon Mac OS X programs for the
"image-viewer" and "url-viewer" variables? In other words, could I
conceivably somehow program PINE to call upon Internet Explorer to
view an image or a Webpage?

Second, in concert to the above, I also downloaded Lynx and installed
it, and am temporarily (or permanently) using it to view URLs included
in messages. The problem, however, is that upon quitting Lynx, I am
dropped back to the command line; I am not returned to Pine. I am
told:

> Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> Pine Exiting.
> Abort

Finally, it does not appear that I can select text using the mouse
while in Pine. I do have use-mouse-in-xterm turned on, although I
realize Apple's Terminal program is not xterm. It would nice to be
able to select text using my mouse ... this would allow me to cut and
paste URLs into Internet Explorer, if needed.

I am far happier with PINE's power and treatment of e-mails than with
past e-mail programs I use. If I must endure these problems, *shrug*,
then fine ... but I figured I'd see if you experts had any feedback on
them. :)

Thanks,

Mike

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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Harris wrote:
> I am a recent convert to Mac OS X, and after getting quite disgusted
> with Apple's Mail problem, I downloaded and installed PINE v4.40 onto
> my computer. It appears to be working quite well.

I haven't tried 10.1 mail really, but - i hear you.

> First, is there a way to call upon Mac OS X programs for ..

Set url-viewer to "/usr/bin/open".

For images, I use the following (which I got around to writing, just now)

------------------ cut after this -----
#!/bin/sh
TEMP=$HOME/tmp/img
mkdir $TEMP 2> /dev/null
FILE=$1
SAFE=`echo "$1" | tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9.'`
cp -- "$FILE" $TEMP/$SAFE
/usr/bin/open $TEMP/$SAFE
------------------- cut before this -------

safety is to avoid bad filenames coming in. Actually that could be
/usr/bin/open -a /Applications/Utilities/Preview.app $TEMP/SAFE
to force the program to use [i have not tried this]

> > Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> > Pine Exiting.
> > Abort

You just missed this one on the list. Either uncomment or add lines like
"#define vfork fork". This is a 10.1 'problem' as is the next. Replace
these in pine/os-osx.c and pine/os-osx.h and also in pico. Better yet,
find the list archives because I'm not sure of the exact files, but it is
a known problem.

> Finally, it does not appear that I can select text using the mouse
> while in Pine.

Try selecting blindly and hit command-C. As of 10.1 I think, the colors
don't show what's selected.

> I am far happier with PINE's power and treatment of e-mails than with
> past e-mail programs I use. If I must endure these problems, *shrug*,
> then fine ... but I figured I'd see if you experts had any feedback on
> them. :)

Yeah.. maybe it'd be nice to see a GUI program with that much power and
speed. Haven't seen any which treat mail as seriously as pine- as real
data which needs reliable and flexible tools applied to it.

-steven

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Steve,

I'm very appreciative of such prompt attention. However, I'm feeling
a bit stupid. I'm having problems with all of your solutions, but I
have a feeling they're tied to:

> You just missed this one on the list. Either uncomment or add
> lines like "#define vfork fork". This is a 10.1 'problem' as is
> the next. Replace these in pine/os-osx.c and pine/os-osx.h and
> also in pico. Better yet, find the list archives because I'm not
> sure of the exact files, but it is a known problem.

Er. Huh? Grog like shiny lickable buttons. Grog thinks shirt he is
wearing needs washing, but is instead trying to get mail program with
name of type of tree to work more efficiently on big lickable
grapey-colored egg.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.
Were these files involved in the initial compilation of PINE I did?
Will I need to recompile OS X on my computer?

You see, as far as I can tell, there are two different ways PINE can
be on your computer in OS X. One suggested compilation involves using
something in Python to essentially go and grab your mail from the
server and plunk it into an on-your-computer INBOX. The other way --
the way I have it -- has PINE compiled to sign into your ISP's server
to grab the INBOX.

So, do I need to essentially recompile/reinstall PINE to get it to
stop exiting with abort signal from open and from lynx and from your
image-viewing script? Something in their tech notes seems to makes me
think otherwise ...

> Try selecting blindly and hit command-C. As of 10.1 I think, the
> colors don't show what's selected.

Bingo. Why the heck would they do that? "It's a feature, not a bug."
Oy.

Mike

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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Harris wrote:
> In all seriousness, I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.
> Were these files involved in the initial compilation of PINE I did?
> Will I need to recompile OS X on my computer?

Sorry. yes, pine needs a recompile..

> You see, as far as I can tell, there are two different ways..

should be the same source.. the go-grab-your-mail is a SEPARATE program
outside of pine. I use fetchmail. Are you sure they are different
compilations and not different setup files?

> So, do I need to essentially recompile/reinstall PINE to get it to
> stop exiting with abort signal from open and from lynx and from your
> image-viewing script? Something in their tech notes seems to makes me
> think otherwise ...

Pine needs a recompile to avoid Abort signals, under 10.1. Period.

> > Try selecting blindly and hit command-C - 10.1 feature
> Bingo. Why the heck would they do that? "It's a feature, not a bug."

I have no idea. Even setting it to black on white is no go. it's like
they didn't want to stomp on the program's choice of color..

~s

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Okay, help, help, help *panicky look* ... I screwed up something
royally.

I'm getting:

zsh: fork failed: resource temporarily unavailable

for a whole TON of stuff now. There was a point in

I tried a compile with os-osx.c having:

#define vfork fork

instead of

#define fork vfork

Did I screw something up royally?

Mike

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On November 4, 2001, Mike Harris <[email protected]> wrote:

> zsh: fork failed: resource temporarily unavailable

If it matters, the "fork failed" message is showing up, for example,
when I try to use "man"

"man fork"
..
it tries to run "groff" and then gives the "fork failed" message, i.e.

"groff: fork failed: resource temporarily unavailable"

S**t!

Mike

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I can hear you all now.

"I *hate* it when newbies who don't know what they're doing scream
bloody murder and then post a sheepish 'duh' message a few moments
later."

When logging out didn't do anything, I panicked. When I shut down and
rebooted, everything was fine.

I'm feeling a little less panicky now. My apologies to all concerned.

Hey, you all annoyed major geniuses when you were young, right?

Right? *hopeful look*

Mike

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Steven R. Loomis wrote:

Once again, this mail is being misattributed to me. The top line
sounds like something I have recently said "In all seriousness,
I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.", however none of
the rest are my words.

TTYL

>Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:48:50 +0100 (CET)
>From: Steven R. Loomis <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>Subject: Re: Hi ... Just a Few Questions ;)
>
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Harris wrote:
>> In all seriousness, I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.
>> Were these files involved in the initial compilation of PINE I did?
>> Will I need to recompile OS X on my computer?
>
> Sorry. yes, pine needs a recompile..
>
>> You see, as far as I can tell, there are two different ways..
>
> should be the same source.. the go-grab-your-mail is a SEPARATE program
>outside of pine. I use fetchmail. Are you sure they are different
>compilations and not different setup files?
>
>> So, do I need to essentially recompile/reinstall PINE to get it to
>> stop exiting with abort signal from open and from lynx and from your
>> image-viewing script? Something in their tech notes seems to makes me
>> think otherwise ...
>
> Pine needs a recompile to avoid Abort signals, under 10.1. Period.
>
>> > Try selecting blindly and hit command-C - 10.1 feature
>> Bingo. Why the heck would they do that? "It's a feature, not a bug."
>
> I have no idea. Even setting it to black on white is no go. it's like
>they didn't want to stomp on the program's choice of color..
>
>~s
>

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Steven R. Loomis wrote:

>Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:13:39 +0100 (CET)
>From: Steven R. Loomis <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Harris wrote:
>> I am a recent convert to Mac OS X, and after getting quite disgusted
>> with Apple's Mail problem, I downloaded and installed PINE v4.40 onto
>> my computer. It appears to be working quite well.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I did not write that at all. It is being attributed to me
however. In fact I couldn't find anything in this message that I
wrote. Please check your attributions when sending mail.

I'm definitely not a convert to Mac OSX although I am sure it is
probably a nice system from what I hear. ;o)

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Mike A. Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
> Once again, this mail is being misattributed to me. The top line
> sounds like something I have recently said "In all seriousness,
> I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.", however none of
> the rest are my words.

I have now changed my reply-leadin to contain "<_ADDRESS_>", as above.
this would have made the original messages say:

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Harris <[email protected]> wrote:

Regards,
Steven.

P.S. the other one doesn't use the middle initial 'A', isn't that enough? :)

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I am relatively new to PINE. Just installed two days ago on my PC.

I use a dial up connection at home. Is it possible to download messages =
(emails and news) for offline viewing?=20

Can we view HTML formatted messages in PINE? If yes, how?=20

Can we choose MS-WORD as email editor in PINE to compose HTML messages? =
Can we send HTML formatted mails?=20

Thank you.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I am relatively new to =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I use a dial up =
connection at home.=20
Is it possible to download messages (emails and news) for offline =
viewing?=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Can we view HTML =
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in PINE? If yes, how? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Can we choose MS-WORD =
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in PINE to compose HTML messages? Can we send HTML formatted mails?=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thank you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>srivastava</FONT></DIV>
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On November 5, 2001, Mike A. Harris <[email protected]> wrote:

> I did not write that at all.

You're right; you didn't. ;-)

Mike
(Michael _J._ Harris ... nice to meet you ... you know the premier of
Ontario has our name, too ... )

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From: Nils Holland <[email protected]>
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Hallo!

This question is not really about a problem, but about something I noticed
recntly and now I'm curious why it is happening. Here is the issue:

I remember that in the past, when I sent a message with Pine, it created a
Message-Id header field of the form "Pine.BSF.xxxxxxxxx" (assuming that it
is running on FreeBSD, which is true in my case). However, if you have a
look at the headers of this message, which has been written using Pine on
FreeBSD, you will see a standard sendmail Message-Id of the form
"<date/time>[email protected]".

Now, the question is this:

Does Pine no longer create its own Message-IDs, or is my sendmail actually
overwriting Pine's Message-ID? Another thing I could imagine is that Pine
can be configured not to create its own Message-IDs, though I don't
remember having changed anything like that in the options.

Any information on this issue regarding Pine's Message-ID generation would
be welcome.

Greetings
Nils

Nils Holland
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So I've got a spam message, and even going past it in the message list ends=
up
hanging pine (I haven't tried letting it sit for a very long time)..

What it's saying at the bottom is:
N 1867 Nov 3 =B9q=B8=A3=A4=C6=BA=DE*[email protected] (77K) [big5] =B1=C0=BCs=
=B3n=A5=F3=A4=CE=A9=DB=B6=D2=A4=C0=A5N=B2z
[>Invalid CHAR in quoted string: ffffffa4<]

and the last 2 hex digits are changing.. every few seconds.

Aaah, so it FINALLY stopped (after a minute or two)..

What's up with this? Seems to me it shouldn't be ignoring my keystrokes in
this time.

[email protected]

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Is there anyway we can thread the e-mails using PINE 4.33 ?
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/Shankar

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:

> Is there anyway we can thread the e-mails using PINE 4.33 ?

M I $ H

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:

> Is there anyway we can thread the e-mails using PINE 4.33 ?

Yes. (S)ort t(H)read

It won't collapse threads nor indent them in the index, but they'll be
sorted correctly.

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Thank you -
I think having "indentation" is good
I believe MUTT shows with the indentation (just a note).

Also, is there way to see Hour/Min in the INBOX folder when it lists
all the mails -

+

When you are in "Compose Message" window - how can do you delete
more than one line ... ^K deletes only one line - but similar to
vi - if I want to delete say 10 lines with a single command ??

/Shankar

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> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway we can thread the e-mails using PINE 4.33 ?
>
> Yes. (S)ort t(H)read
>
> It won't collapse threads nor indent them in the index, but they'll be
> sorted correctly.
>
> --
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> [email protected]
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/
>

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*** Shankar Vemulapalli ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Also, is there way to see Hour/Min in the INBOX folder when it lists
:) all the mails -

Sure, press M S C and read the help under index-format (put the cursor on
that variable and press ?). You want to use the TIME12 or TIME24 token.

:) When you are in "Compose Message" window - how can do you delete
:) more than one line ... ^K deletes only one line - but similar to
:) vi - if I want to delete say 10 lines with a single command ??

Depending on your OS, one of these combinations may work:

Press "Ctrl-^" to mark text, move the cursor to mark the area you want to
delete and press Ctrl-K to delete it.

If the above does not work, it may be that your OS is interfering with the
Ctrl-^ command, and in that case repeat the above process but replace that
command with the "Ctrl 6" or "ESC ESC ^" commands.

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Eduardo:

Wonderful -

The magic working ...

Thank you,

/Shankar

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Is there anyway to receive a beep when you receive a new e-mail ?
(in addition to the display it shows at the bottom of the window)

Thanks,

/Shankar

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:

> Is there anyway to receive a beep when you receive a new e-mail ?

M S C

ensure "quell-status-message-beeping" isn't set.

-Kenny

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It isn't set - I am still not getting any beep.

I am using Sun Solaris 2.8 and running pine in xterm window -

Anything else I should be doing ?

Thanks,

/Shankar

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to receive a beep when you receive a new e-mail ?
>
> M S C
>
> ensure "quell-status-message-beeping" isn't set.
>
> -Kenny
>
> --
> Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C.
> Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 [email protected]
> Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101
> Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785
>
>

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Turn up the volume?

cameron.

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:

>
> It isn't set - I am still not getting any beep.
>
> I am using Sun Solaris 2.8 and running pine in xterm window -
>
> Anything else I should be doing ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> /Shankar
>
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:
> >
> > > Is there anyway to receive a beep when you receive a new e-mail ?
> >
> > M S C
> >
> > ensure "quell-status-message-beeping" isn't set.
> >
> > -Kenny
> >
> > --
> > Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C.
> > Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 [email protected]
> > Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101
> > Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785
> >
> >
>
>

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Last question for the day -

Is there any way to include the "time stamp" in addition to the "month/date"
field when you reply to an e-mail..

For Ex.:

++++++
On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote: <<<<<<<<<<<<<
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote: <<<<<<
>
> > Is there anyway to receive a beep when you receive a new e-mail ?
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Thanks for all the help,

/Shankar

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Yes it is ON for sure :-)

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Cameron Palmer wrote:

> Turn up the volume?
>
> cameron.
>
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:
>
> >
> > It isn't set - I am still not getting any beep.
> >
> > I am using Sun Solaris 2.8 and running pine in xterm window -
> >
> > Anything else I should be doing ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > /Shankar
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there anyway to receive a beep when you receive a new e-mail ?
> > >
> > > M S C
> > >
> > > ensure "quell-status-message-beeping" isn't set.
> > >
> > > -Kenny
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C.
> > > Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914 [email protected]
> > > Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-0101
> > > Work: 5141 California Suite 200, Irvine, CA 92612 (949) 737-2785
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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At Mon, 5 Nov 2001 it looks like Shankar Vemulapalli composed:

svemul->Yes it is ON for sure :-)
svemul->

Try this from the command line to see if your system beeps at all.

echo -e "\aMy computer went \"beep\"."

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make sure that the "visual bell" is not set when you started xterm,

i.e.

xterm -vb

if this is set, then ur screen blinks and no beeps will be heard.

if it is not set, then it might be set in your .Xdefaults file as

XTerm*visualBell: True

if so then make it false and reload the .Xdefaults file.

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:

> Yes it is ON for sure :-)
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Cameron Palmer wrote:
>
> > Turn up the volume?
> >
> > cameron.
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It isn't set - I am still not getting any beep.
> > >
> > > I am using Sun Solaris 2.8 and running pine in xterm window -
> > >
> > > Anything else I should be doing ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > /Shankar
> > >
> > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there anyway to receive a beep when you receive a new e-mail ?
> > > >
> > > > M S C
> > > >
> > > > ensure "quell-status-message-beeping" isn't set.
> > > >
> > > > -Kenny
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C.
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Shankar Vemulapalli wrote:

> Is there any way to include the "time stamp" in addition to the
> "month/date" field when you reply to an e-mail..

(M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig reply-leadin, RTFM.

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Dear all,

Do you know what is the state of Pine's code in regard to support of
IMAPv4's disconnected (offline) mode?

Does anyone here have experience the wild need of sending/receiving emails
over very slow and expensive lines, with Pine or otherwise?

fetchmail/sendmail/qmail suggestions, anything goes.

TIA,
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From: Joel Boonstra <[email protected]>
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> So I've got a spam message, and even going past it in the message list
> ends up hanging pine (I haven't tried letting it sit for a very long
> time)..
>
> What it's saying at the bottom is:
> N 1867 Nov 3 =B9q=B8=A3=A4=C6=BA=DE*[email protected] (77K) [big5] =B1=C0=BC=
s=B3n=A5=F3=A4=CE=A9=DB=B6=D2=A4=C0=A5N=B2z
> [>Invalid CHAR in quoted string: ffffffa4<]
>
> and the last 2 hex digits are changing.. every few seconds.
>
> Aaah, so it FINALLY stopped (after a minute or two)..
>
> What's up with this? Seems to me it shouldn't be ignoring my keystrokes =
in
> this time.

*YES*

I get this as well, but have not found a solution. A number of generous
folks on this list volunteered to test out the problem, but so far, none
seem to have been able to replicate the problem.

What version of pine are you using? I can only replicate this with 4.40
-- 4.33 doesn't bat an eye.

It also seems that some keystrokes still work, but others won't. Those
end up being queued until the error messages end, and all get executed
when the error messages stop being displayed.

Did anyone make headway on this when I posted about a month or so ago?
Can anyone else besides myself and Matt replicate the problem? I would
*love* to hear a solution, or any ideas that folks might have.

Thanks!

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Joel Boonstra wrote:
>What version of pine are you using? I can only replicate this with 4.40
>-- 4.33 doesn't bat an eye.

I'm using 4.40, unfortunately it looks like I didn't save the message.

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Nils Holland wrote:

> I remember that in the past, when I sent a message with Pine, it created a
> Message-Id header field of the form "Pine.BSF.xxxxxxxxx" (assuming that it
> is running on FreeBSD, which is true in my case). However, if you have a
> look at the headers of this message, which has been written using Pine on
> FreeBSD, you will see a standard sendmail Message-Id of the form
> "<date/time>[email protected]".
>
> Now, the question is this:
>
> Does Pine no longer create its own Message-IDs, or is my sendmail actually
> overwriting Pine's Message-ID? Another thing I could imagine is that Pine
> can be configured not to create its own Message-IDs, though I don't
> remember having changed anything like that in the options.

The FreeBSD port of Pine includes patches that change the way the
Message-ID string is constructed. I don't know the motivation for
this patch.
-- Steve

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hi list,
I have a problem regarding saving the result of my
ldap directory to the
local addressbook.
I would like to know how to save the result of my
ldap address book to local address book.
If i try to save the result to local address book and
then compose a mail it gives me
<missing-username@missing-hostname>
in the To: field
What do i need to change?
Is there some thing wrong with the configuration?

Thanxs

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Hello, all.

I have PC-Pine 4.40 at home connecting via IMAP to my HP-UX workstation at
work. IT here doesn't like 1777 permission on /usr/mail (I tried it
several times and each time it was changed back!) I've had no success
getting them to change their policy. So, I'm forced to "live
dangerously", as the FAQ puts it. Therefore, I set the following in my
config:

[X] quell-lock-failure-warnings

However, quite frequently, I get the following message:

[{shplatt.rose.hp.com:143/imap/user="griff"}INBOX : Mailbox vulnerable -
direct]

I am running imap-4.6 on my workstation. Am I missing something in my
imap configuration, or is there a bug in pine?

Thanks.
Jared

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In sendmail.cf is there a way to mention that it shd. receive message =
from users of a particular domain only where many mail servers are =
connected and anyone may use any mail server for smtp purpose. like =
people from abc.com shd. be using only mailserver configured for that =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>In sendmail.cf is there a way to =
mention that it=20
shd. receive message from users of a particular domain only where many =
mail=20
servers are connected and anyone may use any mail server for smtp =
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people from abc.com shd. be using only mailserver configured for that=20
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Sankar Chakrabarti wrote:

> In sendmail.cf [...]

This is not a Pine issue. Try posting to comp.mail.sendmail or
comp.unix.admin

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PINE just threw a new error at me.... it said

400 Bandwidth Crisis

when it was displaying a list of the folders.

What the heck does that mean?

TjL, using 4.33

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Hello,

There must be a simple way to do this in pine,
but I wam not aware of it.

I administer a mailing list using vi & cmm(Columbia MM).
What happens is I get the message in my mail with the
instructional header saying "do not edit below this line".

I need to edit a few of the headers(below the line), and
the message, then I send it along to the mailing list.

Could anyone tell me how to do this with Pine 4.40?

Ovanes

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Hi,

I have strange behaviour. Maybe it is only strange for me, bu... anyway.
I'm try to set the new collection in the "COLLECTION LIST", then I
select:

Nickname : TLEN
Server : 212.126.20.4/pop3
Path : INBOX
View :

But it seems doesn't work because I can't acces to my emails through the
POP3 service. If I added this through "Incoming-Folders" and it's works
fine, but it's not a case because I don't want to check this account
every time when I receive the mail through IMAP from the another server.
The another problem is that every time I need to specify password for
this account and there is no way to store it somewhere in the
configuration.

Is there some solutions for my problem?

Regards,
Murphy

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*** Murphy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I have strange behaviour. Maybe it is only strange for me, bu... anyway.
:) I'm try to set the new collection in the "COLLECTION LIST", then I
:) select:
:)
:) Nickname : TLEN
:) Server : 212.126.20.4/pop3
:) Path : INBOX

A collection is a directory that contains folders, in this case, you are
trying to add a folder, and need to add it to the incoming-folders
collection.

:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't acces to my emails through the
:) POP3 service.

It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a directrory, it
is a folder.

:) The another problem is that every time I need to specify password for
:) this account and there is no way to store it somewhere in the
:) configuration.

- If you are using PC-Pine, you need to create an empty file called
"pine.pwd" in the same directory that contains the pinerc file.

- If you are using Unix Pine, you need to recompile Pine. Edit the file
"pine/pine.h" and add the following line to it:

#define PASSFILE "pine.pwd"

Recompile Pine and create an empty file called pine.pwd in your $HOME
directory. The rest of the process will take care of it by itself. The
process will only work if you actually have a file called "pine.pwd", if
it does not exist (because you removed/renamed it) it won't matter if you
recompiled Pine or not with this capability.

You can hide your password file in a more secure place than your $HOME
directory, you can change "pine.pwd" by a path relative to $HOME, in order
to put the password file somewhere else. Notice that Pine4.41 will have
the ability to specify a full path, but there is no wasy to specify shell
variables in its path.

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I'd be real nice if along with the "+", "D", "N", etc. status indicators,
there could be one to indicate if a message was "S"aved. I sometimes forget
if I've "S"aved a message and repeat doing so.

-Kenny

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On Nov 14, 2001, 11:19 (-0800) Kenneth Crudup <[email protected]> wrote:

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> I'd be real nice if along with the "+", "D", "N", etc. status indicators,
> there could be one to indicate if a message was "S"aved. I sometimes forg=
et
> if I've "S"aved a message and repeat doing so.

When I save, the message is deleted from INBOX, which is what I usually
want. I know then that the message is saved (if I didn't delete it by
accident).

If messages aren't deleted when saved, it is because you have selected
[ ] save-will-not-delete
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> When I save, the message is deleted from INBOX, which is what I usually
> want. I know then that the message is saved (if I didn't delete it by
> accident).

So does mine, but I don't expunge upon deletion automatically, so like I
said, there's no way to tell a deleted message from a saved one.

-Kenny

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

> I'd be real nice if along with the "+", "D", "N", etc. status indicators,
> there could be one to indicate if a message was "S"aved. I sometimes forget
> if I've "S"aved a message and repeat doing so.

I would like to have a new status mark which could be used to keep the
message in the incoming folder as long as I have replied to it.

Now I have a lot of mail coming to me and I do not have time to reply to
all of them at once. But when I read them they are automatically moved to
the read-messages-folder and then I forget them there. Okay, I could
disable the auto-move-read-messages-feature but then I would have to save
manually all those messages which I do not want to keep in the incoming
folder. And then again manually save the important messages after replying
to them.

It would be so nice if I could just mark the important messages so that
they would stay in the incoming folder. After I have replied to them they
would normally move to the read-messages-folder.

I have tried to achieve this with filters and I have partly succeeded.
But I have about 30 incoming folders and I would have to make a new filter
for each of them. Actually two filters for each of them. It would be
much easier if this could be done with a global switch. And now my filters
depend on the important flag which could be already on without my
action and this would ofcourse break my system.

So a new status indicator is needed and also a very fast way to switch it.
Now you have to press * and after that select the flag. It would be better
if I could just press a single key.

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If it happens, it must be possible.

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The problem is that S and D are next to each other on the keyboard so
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> On Nov 14, 2001, 11:19 (-0800) Kenneth Crudup <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'd be real nice if along with the "+", "D", "N", etc. status indicator=
s,
> > there could be one to indicate if a message was "S"aved. I sometimes fo=
rget
> > if I've "S"aved a message and repeat doing so.
>
> When I save, the message is deleted from INBOX, which is what I usually
> want. I know then that the message is saved (if I didn't delete it by
> accident).
>
> If messages aren't deleted when saved, it is because you have selected
> [ ] save-will-not-delete
> in setup.
>
>
>
> Mats
>
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>:) Nickname : TLEN
>:) Server : 212.126.20.4/pop3
>:) Path : INBOX
>
>A collection is a directory that contains folders, in this case, you are
>trying to add a folder, and need to add it to the incoming-folders
>collection.

The problem is that I don't know how to set it correctly because in the
help for this there is no example how to do it. There is no any example.
Then how to set this if it's really possible?

>:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't acces to my emails through the
>:) POP3 service.
>It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a directrory, it
>is a folder.

Then how to specify a folder in the "COLLECTION-LIST" because I don't
want to check this account every time like is done using
Incoming-folders?

>:) The another problem is that every time I need to specify password for
>:) this account and there is no way to store it somewhere in the
>:) configuration.
>
>- If you are using PC-Pine, you need to create an empty file called
>"pine.pwd" in the same directory that contains the pinerc file.
>
>- If you are using Unix Pine, you need to recompile Pine. Edit the file
>"pine/pine.h" and add the following line to it:
>
>#define PASSFILE "pine.pwd"

OK, I'm try to do this. If I create this file and recompile the Pine
with this modification, then the password will be stored automatically
in this file or should I set this mannually using some editor?

Thanks!

Regards,
Murphy

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*** Murphy ([email protected]) wrote today:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> >:) Nickname : TLEN
> >:) Server : 212.126.20.4/pop3
> >:) Path : INBOX
> >
> >A collection is a directory that contains folders, in this case, you are
> >trying to add a folder, and need to add it to the incoming-folders
> >collection.
>
> The problem is that I don't know how to set it correctly because in the
> help for this there is no example how to do it. There is no any example.
> Then how to set this if it's really possible?

As I said, you don't want to set up a collection. A collection is a
directory, INBOX is not a directory.

> >:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't acces to my emails through the
> >:) POP3 service.
> >It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a directrory, it
> >is a folder.
>
> Then how to specify a folder in the "COLLECTION-LIST" because I don't
> want to check this account every time like is done using
> Incoming-folders?

You can't do that, the folder that you want to add must be in the
collection, but again, it would not be added in the way that you are
trying, because when you add a collection you are really adding a
directory. You are probably confused because in the deafult configuration
of Pine the folder INBOX is part of the default collection of folders, but
that's a misunderstanding caused by Pine. INBOX is an incoming folder, it
is not in that collection.

I do not undertand what you mean by "I don't want to check this account
every time like is done using Incoming-folders?". Incoming folders does
not check automatically any folder (except possibly INBOX), and when it is
not POP3. You wouldn't have this problem at all.

> >#define PASSFILE "pine.pwd"
>
> OK, I'm try to do this. If I create this file and recompile the Pine
> with this modification, then the password will be stored automatically
> in this file or should I set this mannually using some editor?

As I said, follow the directions (the ones that you did not quote), create
the empty file and start Pine. Enjoy afterwards.

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>> The problem is that I don't know how to set it correctly because in the
>> help for this there is no example how to do it. There is no any example.
>> Then how to set this if it's really possible?
>As I said, you don't want to set up a collection. A collection is a
>directory, INBOX is not a directory.

How can you know what I want to set? :) This was an example, probably
wrong one, but I don't know how to set it correctly using the collection
list.

>> >:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't access to my emails through the
>> >:) POP3 service.
>> >It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a directory, it
>> >is a folder.
>>
>> Then how to specify a folder in the "COLLECTION-LIST" because I don't
>> want to check this account every time like is done using
>> Incoming-folders?
>
>You can't do that, the folder that you want to add must be in the
>collection, but again, it would not be added in the way that you are
>trying, because when you add a collection you are really adding a
>directory.

Then why there is a possibility to add a _folder_ from the collection
via POP3? See the help:

POP3
This value indicates communication with the server takes place via
the Post Office Protocol 3 protocol. Note that there are several important
issues to consider when selecting this option:
1. POP3 provides access to only your INBOX. In other words,
secondary folders such as your "saved-messages" are inaccessible.

Translating this to the English it mean: You can have access to the
first _folder_ but not to the second _folder_. Right? Then why it's
working through "Incomming-Folders" but not through "Collection List"
even if the "Collection Lists" allow to do this according to the help
screen? I know also that there is a lots of limitation for using the
POP3 where the remote INBOX is more less "read only" and there is no
chance to move this e-mail from the INBOX (read "remove") and store it
locally like it's working fine for the locally stored INBOX'es.

For this moment the only good solution is to use "fetchmail" under Unix,
but what should I use under Windows? :|

> You are probably confused because in the default configuration
>of Pine the folder INBOX is part of the default collection of folders, but
>that's a misunderstanding caused by Pine. INBOX is an incoming folder, it
>is not in that collection.

You right - I'm confused because help says that I can do it, but in the
reality I can't. :(

>I do not understand what you mean by "I don't want to check this account
>every time like is done using Incoming-folders?". Incoming folders does
>not check automatically any folder (except possibly INBOX), and when it is
>not POP3. You wouldn't have this problem at all.

Maybe I have "magical" version of pine 4.40 which has do this trick
because I can check every email through all of my collection lists using
the "Incomming-Folders", where I have the nicknames for the folders
which should be checked when I press the "Tab" key. If I add also the
POP3 entry then this account will be checked also, which is not good
because sometimes it takes lots of time. And the time is the reason that
I would like to check this account from time to time, not always like it
is done now. Do you understand now my point?

Murphy

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I have read the archived discussion of email folder transfer. However, I
am unable to accomplish this because the "mail" folder in my home
directory is empty--despite my disk usage showing 81 MB allocated to email
folders. The disk usage says the email folders are in bp09/ which I have
not been able to locate. My other files and empty "mail" folder are in
da40/d87/ Could this explain my difficulty? If so, how do I find my email
folders and bp09? I would like to download these files to zip disk and get
them off UW disks.

Thanks for your time,

Eric Eisenhardt
University of Washington
School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences
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*** Murphy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:) >> The problem is that I don't know how to set it correctly because in the
:) >> help for this there is no example how to do it. There is no any example.
:) >> Then how to set this if it's really possible?
:) >As I said, you don't want to set up a collection. A collection is a
:) >directory, INBOX is not a directory.
:)
:) How can you know what I want to set? :) This was an example, probably
:) wrong one, but I don't know how to set it correctly using the collection
:) list.

I know becuase you said what you wanted to set in other messages. If I had
a mouse I would cut and paste your messages. I'm too lazy to include them
here.

:) >> >:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't access to my emails
:) >> >:) through the POP3 service.
:) >> >It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a
:) >> >directory, it is a folder.
:) >>
:) >> Then how to specify a folder in the "COLLECTION-LIST" because I
:) >> don't want to check this account every time like is done using
:) >> Incoming-folders?
:) >
:) >You can't do that, the folder that you want to add must be in the
:) >collection, but again, it would not be added in the way that you are
:) >trying, because when you add a collection you are really adding a
:) >directory.
:)
:) Then why there is a possibility to add a _folder_ from the collection
:) via POP3? See the help:
[snip]

But that doesn't apply to your case, because as I told you, you need a
directory in the entry, not INBOX. What you want to do, would not work
even if you wrote "/imap" instead of pop3.

That help that you quote is more appropriate for the inbox-path or when
addding a new entry to the incoming-folders collection, that it is there
and confuses you is part of your misunderstanding, so that's why I've been
trying to tell you what is the right thing that will work and why what you
are attempting won't. You should write to the Pine Team to tell them that
they should put this help in a more appropriate place. I once did, and I'm
still waiting for an answer.

:) I know also that there is a lots of limitation for using the
:) POP3 where the remote INBOX is more less "read only" and there is no
:) chance to move this e-mail from the INBOX (read "remove") and store it
:) locally like it's working fine for the locally stored INBOX'es.

Yes, you can do this. Add your pop3 folder as an incoming-folder, and
create a filter that will move mail from that folder to a local folder.

:) Maybe I have "magical" version of pine 4.40 which has do this trick
:) because I can check every email through all of my collection lists
:) using the "Incomming-Folders", where I have the nicknames for the
:) folders which should be checked when I press the "Tab" key. If I add
:) also the POP3 entry then this account will be checked also, which is
:) not good because sometimes it takes lots of time.

Then don't press tab. Unfortunately I do not have a better suggestion (you
could also make that pop3 folder your inbox, but that doesn't work right
either). If you were using unix pine I would tell you to use my patch to
know which incoming folders have new mail (because you can configure which
folders will be checked).

:) And the time is the reason that I would like to check this account from
:) time to time, not always like it is done now. Do you understand now my
:) point?

Sure, when you explain it there's no problem. Unfortunately you are
hitting yourself against a wall which is impossible to cross.

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>:) How can you know what I want to set? :) This was an example, probably
>:) wrong one, but I don't know how to set it correctly using the collection
>:) list.
>I know becuase you said what you wanted to set in other messages. If I had
>a mouse I would cut and paste your messages. I'm too lazy to include them
>here.

I know it was a bad example because I'm tryed to do it in every possible
way, but in fact the Pine team screw a help page for this option and it
leading now to confusion.

>:) Then why there is a possibility to add a _folder_ from the collection
>:) via POP3? See the help:
>[snip]
>
>But that doesn't apply to your case, because as I told you, you need a
>directory in the entry, not INBOX. What you want to do, would not work
>even if you wrote "/imap" instead of pop3.
>
>That help that you quote is more appropriate for the inbox-path or when
>addding a new entry to the incoming-folders collection, that it is there
>and confuses you is part of your misunderstanding, so that's why I've been
>trying to tell you what is the right thing that will work and why what you
>are attempting won't. You should write to the Pine Team to tell them that
>they should put this help in a more appropriate place. I once did, and I'm
>still waiting for an answer.

Now I understand this, but the Pine Team should change this
documentation or fix it to give a choice to use this like is written in
the help for this option. At this moment when you go to the collection
list definition window and use ^G on the server field then you get the
help "Collection Edit Help -- Server Field" where the POP3 option is
possible to use. But only in the theory. =8^(

But it's also confuse that I can't create the collection POP3 and put
there every remote location. The problem is that the valid names for the
folders are always related to the IMAP server (see "Folder Name Syntax
Explained") and there is no chance to specify a remote folder in the
other collection than "incoming-folders".

>Yes, you can do this. Add your pop3 folder as an incoming-folder, and
>create a filter that will move mail from that folder to a local folder.

I will try it but only for an experiment because mostly I'm using Pine
under Unix environment then is better to use fetchmail instead Pine POP3
access which is not so good.

>Then don't press tab. Unfortunately I do not have a better suggestion (you
>could also make that pop3 folder your inbox, but that doesn't work right
>either). If you were using unix pine I would tell you to use my patch to
>know which incoming folders have new mail (because you can configure which
>folders will be checked).

Actually I have your version of pine wich conatain lots of patches (this
one too), but I completly forgot about this. For this moment I have "*"
in this field

>Sure, when you explain it there's no problem. Unfortunately you are
>hitting yourself against a wall which is impossible to cross.

I'm never doing this, but this time somebody made a very realistic
painted passage on this wall. ;)

Thank's for your help Eduardo!

Regards,
Murphy

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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.41. This release does not introduce major new functionality.
Instead, it addresses bugs found in earlier versions.

Specific information can be found in the built-in release notes ("R"
off the Main Menu), and via:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm441w32.zip

As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment
before placing Pine into production use.

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Just snagged 4.41 to toss into RPM's. The build fails when
trying to compile pine.c

I was just building it before heading to bed, so I thought I
would report the problem.

=================================================================
cc -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -DIGNORE_LOCK_EACCES_ERRORS
-DENABLE_LDAP -I../ldap/include -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE
-c -o other.o other.c
cc -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -DIGNORE_LOCK_EACCES_ERRORS
-DENABLE_LDAP -I../ldap/include -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE
-c -o pine.o pine.c
pine.c: In function `main':
pine.c:357: `init_pinerc_debugging' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pine.c:357: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pine.c:357: for each function it appears in.)
pine.c:667: structure has no member named `debug_imap'
pine.c:667: `debug' undeclared (first use in this function)
make: *** [pine.o] Error 1
=================================================================

Here is the command used to build:

/build DEBUG="" OPTIMIZE="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS" \
EXTRACFLAGS="-DIGNORE_LOCK_EACCES_ERRORS" \
EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS=gss \
SPECIALAUTHENTICATORS=ssl \
lnp

This is when building on Red Hat Linux 7.1. The previous 4.40
package built ok. I'll look into it tomorrow if nobody else has
found the problem already.

Thanks.
TTYL

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Just snagged 4.41 to toss into RPM's. The build fails when
:) trying to compile pine.c
[snip]
:) Here is the command used to build:
:) ./build DEBUG="" OPTIMIZE="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS" \
[snip]

Ouch!, the problem is that you are compiling with DEBUG="". The variables
that pine complains about are not defined in this case, and that's where
your compilation error comes from. Get a patch from my web page, look
under "Bug Fixes".

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> I was just building it before heading to bed, so I thought I
> would report the problem.

FWIW, "build lnp" (linux, with PAM) worked flawlessly for me. I'm using
it now.

-Kenny

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Hello,

Is it possible to define an outgoing
SMTP server that depends on your "From:"
address or Role?

I have a few providers for mail and
some of them check the "From:" and if
its not local, they refuse to relay.

Ovanes

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*** Ovanes Manucharyan ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Is it possible to define an outgoing
:) SMTP server that depends on your "From:"
:) address or Role?

No, you can try adding all your smtp servers in the "smtp-server"
variable. Another thing you can try is to apply a patch that you can get
from my web page called "Define your own rules..", which among other
things allows you to do this. After applying the patch all you need to do
is to add a rule, like below to the smtp-rules variable:

_ADDRESS_{[email protected]} => _SMTP_{use.this.server}

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Ovanes Manucharyan <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a few providers for mail and
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> its not local, they refuse to relay.

.. I get around that by just running my own mail server on my local
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Downsides: A mail isn't really 'sent' when it's accepted, you can't hit
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Is anyone else seeing this problem? I just had it happen using a
couple roles.

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Here's some more on this bug: I don't see the A in the index when
I use the token IMAPSTATUS. I just changed it to STATUS and now I
do see the A so it seems to be a problem with the IMAPSTATUS
token.

Thanks,
Nancy

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hi,

I am encountering the following problem in pine4.40: when I perform the
key stroke operations ;,p,u,z pine4.40 is getting aborted. When I perform
the same operations on the same folders, its working fine.

Raja.

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I just switched from PCpine 4.40 to 4.41

It seems like 4.41 is much more sensitive to short term losses of
connection (e.g. walking behind an obstruction from my laptop on a
wireless link).

Is there a way to restore the robustness/timeout of 4.40?

-Alex-

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| I am encountering the following problem in pine4.40: when I perform the
|key stroke operations ;,p,u,z pine4.40 is getting aborted. When I perform
|the same operations on the same folders, its working fine.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

sorry for the typo. read it as

the same operations on the same folders in pine4.33, its working fine.
^^^^^^^^

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*** V V Raja Rao ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I am encountering the following problem in pine4.40: when I perform the
:) key stroke operations ;,p,u,z pine4.40 is getting aborted. When I perform
:) the same operations on the same folders, its working fine.

Yes, it's a well known bug. There are two possible solutions: you can
either upgrade to Pine4.41, or you can apply a patch which you can get
from my web page (address below). Look under "Bug Fixes".

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Subject: Re: pc-pine 4.41 bug: answered messages not marked with A
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*** Nancy McGough ([email protected]) wrote today:

> Here's some more on this bug: I don't see the A in the index when
> I use the token IMAPSTATUS. I just changed it to STATUS and now I
> do see the A so it seems to be a problem with the IMAPSTATUS
> token.

Do you get the folder closed too?. I saw the bug yesterday, but didn't pay
much attention to it, because I was paying attention to the fact that the
folder was getting closed. So here's my problem.

When I reply to a message which I am reading through IMAP, somehow a new
connection to the folder is opened to update the Answered status, this
makes the second session take the lock of the first, so when I come back
to the original session I have lost the lock, resulting in a folder closed
and not updated the answered flag (which I see when the folder is
reopened). Here's my debug information of a message which I replied to
myself (I guess I don't get enough e-mail :))

Debug output of the Pine program (debug=2 debug_imap=4). Version 4.41
Sun Nov 18 12:04:06 2001

[snip]
#
#OPENING INBOX
#
Context {news.u.washington.edu/nntp}#news.%s: serv:news.u.washington.edu/nntp, ref:"", view: ""
About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX"

IMAP DEBUG 12:04:11 11/18: 00000001 SELECT inbox
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:11 11/18: * 2 EXISTS
=== mm_exists(2,{mailhost.math.washington.edu/ssl/user=chappa}inbox) called ===
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:11 11/18: * 0 RECENT

#
#ANSWER A MESSAGE
#

=== send called ===

---- COMPOSER ----
new win size -----<25 80>------
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:30 11/18: 0000000a NOOP
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:30 11/18: 0000000a OK NOOP completed
new win size -----<25 80>------
Want_to read: y (121)
new win size -----<25 80>------
mm_list "mail/sent-mail": delim: '/', , no inferiors, marked
IMAP 12:04:35 11/18 mm_log babble: Trying IP address
Opened SMTP server
done.

#
# Mail sent, now updating answered flag
#

IMAP 12:04:36 11/18 mm_log babble: Trying IP address [128.95.224.1]

IMAP DEBUG 12:04:36 11/18: 00000000 OK AUTHENTICATE completed
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:36 11/18: 00000001 SELECT inbox
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: * 3 EXISTS

# OUCH, it's going to get the lock!!!

IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: * NO Trying to get mailbox lock from process 36737

IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: * 1 RECENT
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: * OK [UNSEEN 1] first unseen message in /var/spool/mail/chappa
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: 00000001 OK [READ-WRITE] SELECT completed
#
# Finally it will update the Answered Flag!
#
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: 00000002 UID STORE 2733 +Flags (\ANSWERED)
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: * 2 FETCH (FLAGS (\Answered) UID 2733)
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: 00000002 OK UID STORE completed
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: 00000003 LOGOUT
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: * BYE euler.math.washington.edu IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:37 11/18: 00000003 OK LOGOUT completed
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:39 11/18: 0000000b NOOP
IMAP DEBUG 12:04:39 11/18: * BYE Lost mailbox lock

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On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, S. Alexander Jacobson wrote:

> I just switched from PCpine 4.40 to 4.41
> It seems like 4.41 is much more sensitive to short term losses of
> connection (e.g. walking behind an obstruction from my laptop on a
> wireless link).

Good, it's not just me. I'm using 4.41 compiled onto a Linux box. I've
had to reset from at least 8 IMAP INBOX closures since I built it on
Friday night; usually I have none for the same time period.

-Kenny

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*** On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 I wrote:

:) When I reply to a message which I am reading through IMAP, somehow a
:) new connection to the folder is opened to update the Answered status,
:) this makes the second session take the lock of the first, so when I
:) come back to the original session I have lost the lock, resulting in a
:) folder closed and not updated the answered flag (which I see when the
:) folder is reopened). Here's my debug information of a message which I
:) replied to myself (I guess I don't get enough e-mail :))

I created a patch that fixes this problem for me. If anyone is interested
in the patch pick it up from my web page.

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Hi there,

I am using pc-pine and I would like to have some information
about the usage of the EXPORT feature.
Once I have exported a set of mails located within a folder,
how could I re-import them within one of my folders ? (I am
thinking about using the export feature to do some backups of
the mails contained within my IMPA folders)
another question is : as the export format is txt, is there any
way to for example re-import the mails in LookOut of Netscape mail ?

thanks a lot and have a nice day/Bertrand

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>Once I have exported a set of mails located within a folder,
>how could I re-import them within one of my folders ? (I am
>thinking about using the export feature to do some backups of
>the mails contained within my IMPA folders)

Maybe is better to save (instead of export) these e-mails into another
folder and copy somewhere this folder?

Murphy

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Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>When I reply to a message which I am reading through IMAP, somehow a
>new connection to the folder is opened to update the Answered status,
>this makes the second session take the lock of the first, so when I
>come back to the original session I have lost the lock, resulting in
>a
>folder closed and not updated the answered flag

I am experiencing this too. As a PC-Pine user, I must wait for the
next release rather than patching it myself as Eduardo did -- is there
any sort of workaround for this? I'm not eager to move back to 4.40
as I really need the new quell-content-id feature to allow Outlook XP
users to see my attachments. That said, it's awfully annoying to have
to reestablish my IMAP session every time I reply to a message.

-- Marc Rouleau

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, John A. Perry wrote:

>
> Yes. I'm aware of this. I use freshnews calling fetchnews to update my
> feed. I don't want to have to stop and start Pine everytime I want my feed
> updated. Plus fetchnews has to run as news so it would become very
> cumbersome. The issue is that Pine appears to handle it's NNTP connection
> differently than other newsreaders.

Some additional information... My log shows the following message
when using the combination of leafnode/pine.

John Perry [email protected] PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome!
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PGP/GPG key 164BDBAE

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Fotis Georgatos <[email protected]> wrote:

> Do you know what is the state of Pine's code in regard to support of
> IMAPv4's disconnected (offline) mode?

I didn't see any response yet to this question of yours. I'd also be very
interested in the status of Pine's support for IMAP4 disconnected mode.
The lack of this is the only reason I have to fall sadly back, while
travelling, to other mailers (such as Netscape) that do offer offline
synchronisation using IMAP.

Looking through the archives of this list I see there were notes about
disconnected mode being considered as far back as '96, but there doesn't
seem to be any *recent* mention of it still being in the plans.

Does anyone know whether it is??

I.

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Support for disconnected operation is still planned; no schedule yet.

-teg

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 [email protected] wrote:

>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Fotis Georgatos <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Do you know what is the state of Pine's code in regard to support of
> > IMAPv4's disconnected (offline) mode?
>
> I didn't see any response yet to this question of yours. I'd also be very
> interested in the status of Pine's support for IMAP4 disconnected mode.
> The lack of this is the only reason I have to fall sadly back, while
> travelling, to other mailers (such as Netscape) that do offer offline
> synchronisation using IMAP.
>
> Looking through the archives of this list I see there were notes about
> disconnected mode being considered as far back as '96, but there doesn't
> seem to be any *recent* mention of it still being in the plans.
>
> Does anyone know whether it is??
>
> I.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject: Folder Closed Due To Access Error after Answering EMail and updateing
answer flag with Pine 4.41. Did anybody see this before?
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Hi,

after just installing PINE 4.41 I always get a "Folder Closed Due To Access
Error" on my IMAP Inbox folder after I reply to an EMail.

Here are more details:

- My system is a SPARC/Solaris 8 System. We use IMAP for receiving EMails.

- Here's the sequence of events:

1. I Read my EMail.
2. Select an EMail for reply using "R". I get the editor (vi) as usual and
edit the reply message.
3. After sending out the reply message, I get the "Updating Answered Flags"
message.
4. Most of the Time, I get the "Folder Closed Due To Access Error"
immediately, however, sometimes I get no error, but as soon as I try to
do something else (like reading another message or saving a message) I
get the above error or the program offers me to create a folder that is
supposed to already exists. In any case, the connection to the IMAP
server breaks just after replying to a message and updating the "Answered"
flag.
5. After re-opening the Inbox, the messages I replyed to are correctly
marked as "Answered".

- My impression is that something goes wrong with the connection just after
updating the "Answered" flag on a message.

- Setting the quell-folder-internal-msg feature did not affect this problem.
I also tried different variants of setting folder names such as including
user="xxx" in the folder etc. with no effect.

- This problem did not happen with the previous version of Pine that I used
before, which was 4.2 .

Did anybody else see this problem? Is this already known as a bug? Is there
a quick way to fix it?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Constantin

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updateing answer flag with Pine 4.41. Did anybody see this before?
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:) 3. After sending out the reply message, I get the "Updating Answered Flags"
:) message.
:) 4. Most of the Time, I get the "Folder Closed Due To Access Error"

This is known bug in Pine4.41, I wrote a patch which has solved this
problem for me. Look for the patch in my web page (address below) and look
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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.42. This is an unusual release in that it comes so soon after
the previous version. It does not introduce any new functionality.
Instead, it addresses bugs found in the previous version. In particular,
the bug that sometimes causes the Answered flag to not get set, and the
bug that sometimes causes the folder to be closed when replying to a
message.

Specific information can be found in the built-in release notes ("R"
off the Main Menu), and via:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

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ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm442w32.zip

As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
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updateing answer flag with Pine 4.41. Did anybody see this before?
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Hi,

> :) 4. Most of the Time, I get the "Folder Closed Due To Access Error"
>
> This is known bug in Pine4.41, I wrote a patch which has solved this
> problem for me. Look for the patch in my web page (address below) and look
> under "Bug Fixes".

thanks for the patch.

I also got the announcement for Pine 4.42. It compiled just fine and now
answering EMails works perfectly. I'm using the corrected Answer function
as we speak, er write.

Thanks a lot for your help and the new Pine version!

Regards,
Constantin

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Does pico have any way to run a perl script? I would like such
a feature to help me change formatting, reflowing text when I
do a lot of deleting/line splitting.

Any idea if this will be implemented, if answer is negative,
then any idea of an editor that can invoke scripts ? as I see
that pine offers support for other editors too.

Thanks!

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*** Silviu Cojocaru ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Does pico have any way to run a perl script? I would like such a
:) feature to help me change formatting, reflowing text when I do a lot of
:) deleting/line splitting.

Have you tried to define the speller command a call to some menu of
filters which you can apply to the message, instead of just the speller?

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On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:02:23 -0800 (PST)
>From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>*** Silviu Cojocaru ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
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>:) Does pico have any way to run a perl script? I would like such a
>:) feature to help me change formatting, reflowing text when I do a lot of
>:) deleting/line splitting.
>
>Have you tried to define the speller command a call to some menu of
>filters which you can apply to the message, instead of just the speller?

Why not just use PINE sendfilters? I have many filters set up,
and I can pass an email through any of them for reformatting.

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote today:

> >*** Silviu Cojocaru ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
> >
> >:) Does pico have any way to run a perl script? I would like such a
> >:) feature to help me change formatting, reflowing text when I do a lot of
> >:) deleting/line splitting.
> >
> >Have you tried to define the speller command a call to some menu of
> >filters which you can apply to the message, instead of just the speller?
>
> Why not just use PINE sendfilters? I have many filters set up,
> and I can pass an email through any of them for reformatting.

The original question was about Pico, not Pine, but in case you are
composing e-mail with Pine's internal editor, I suppose one can do that,
the drawback is that if your filter has a bug you may send "corrupted"
messages, and well, e-mail is not the best place to test them (I know it
for experience), so unless you are really sure your filter is correct, you
can try it that way.

On the other hand, you can always apply many filters (at different times)
during composition if you need, if you do it the way I suggested. I don't
need to do that, but I see it more flexible than sending-filters in that
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>> >:) Does pico have any way to run a perl script? I would like such a
>> >:) feature to help me change formatting, reflowing text when I do a lot of
>> >:) deleting/line splitting.
>> >
>> >Have you tried to define the speller command a call to some menu of
>> >filters which you can apply to the message, instead of just the speller?
>>
>> Why not just use PINE sendfilters? I have many filters set up,
>> and I can pass an email through any of them for reformatting.
>
>The original question was about Pico, not Pine, but in case you are

Ahh, I missed that part..

>composing e-mail with Pine's internal editor, I suppose one can do that,
>the drawback is that if your filter has a bug you may send "corrupted"
>messages, and well, e-mail is not the best place to test them (I know it
>for experience), so unless you are really sure your filter is correct, you
>can try it that way.

Right. Mail filters should be tested very well before put intop
use.

>On the other hand, you can always apply many filters (at different times)
>during composition if you need, if you do it the way I suggested. I don't
>need to do that, but I see it more flexible than sending-filters in that
>way.

Yep, I missed the pico part.

TTYL

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> Why not just use PINE sendfilters? I have many filters set up,
> and I can pass an email through any of them for reformatting.

Well true, but I would like to first see the result(ie after
reflowing text) and then send, not the Outlook where wrapping
happens after I press send.

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Hey,

I just downloaded and built 4.42 for use on my Redhat 7.1 machine (while
watching the 'Junkyard Wars' marathon on TLC!). The 'answered' bug
doesn't seem to be fixed quite yet in 4.42. Here's how I reproduce the
bug.

In my INBOX, I (r)eply to a message in the box. I type some text in the
reply, but p^Ostpone it before sending. I then (g)o to a different folder
(either an incoming-folder or a reglur folder), then (c)ompose, (y) to
continue the postponed message, perhaps add some more text to the message,
then send. If I go back to my INBOX, I find that the Answered flag hasn't
been updated, even though examining my Journal, Pine has told me that it
was updating Answered flags.

I have re-opened the IMAP connection by quitting and opening pine again,
and the answered flag is still not updated on the message I replied to.
I have not tried applying Eduardo's patch (that he wrote for 4.41) on 4.42
yet -- I just found this bug and figured I'd see if others are
experiencing it as well.

I welcome any input!

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*** Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I just downloaded and built 4.42 for use on my Redhat 7.1 machine
:) (while watching the 'Junkyard Wars' marathon on TLC!). The 'answered'
:) bug doesn't seem to be fixed quite yet in 4.42. Here's how I reproduce
:) the bug.

Ouch!, you are right. The problem occurs because of a check in a function
that only checks equality in the stream but not the in the mailbox. I've
extended that function to force that check too, and a patch can be found
in my web page. My patch for 4.41 also suffered from the same problem,
I've updated that one as well.

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Hi,

I have been using pine 4.33 on SunOS 5.6 for 2 years now , but never have I
seen this problem before.

After I launch pine from the prompt, the application becomes unresponsive.
The main MENU screen appears and then it displays " Opening INBOX <|>" at
the bottom of the screen. After that, the INBOX never shows up :(

I tried to see if there were other processes accessing the same INBOX , but
there doesnt seem to be any.

Please advice
Thanks,
Ali

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In retrospect, this is pretty obvious, but it's pretty cool.

I guess a few of the mailing lists I'm on changed addresses, because this
morning I had a whole bunch of messages put into my suspected_spam folder.
(If I nor any of my mailing lists are Recipients of the new message, it's
put into suspected_spam.)

So, I fixed my setscores rule(*).. Then, since I wanted the messages in
my INBOX, I did a select-all, which included a few real spam messages, and
saved to my INBOX.

I immediately had 2 new messages in my suspected_spam folder, which was
surprising at first.

But they're really messages that *really are* spam, and thus still don't
fit my filtering rules... so they failed again, and were put in suspected_spam
again.

Again, I realize this is now pretty obvious, but maybe others didn't realize
it easier. So this is an easy way to "test" rules and filters and such, save
a bunch of messages, with some matching and not maching the filter, and you'll
get immediate results to see if it worked properly.

(*) To unfortunately add one bit of negativity, it really would be much
simpler to just be able to make one *filter* that checks recipients and then
moves non-matching to a folder, rather than this two step "set scores then
filter on scores) setup, which is good, but I think more complicated than a
lot of people need. I don't mean complicated as in "hard to understand", just
overblown.

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Hi All,

I had PC-PINE configured to not prompt me for my username and password
each time I lauch pine. However, I needed to do a "clean" install of
windows and a format of the old harddrive and forgot what file to place
the username and password in, if memory serves me correctly, I belive they
both go in seperate files, but I could be wrong....

Thanks,

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*** Andy Malato ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I had PC-PINE configured to not prompt me for my username and password
:) each time I lauch pine. However, I needed to do a "clean" install of
:) windows and a format of the old harddrive and forgot what file to place
:) the username and password in, if memory serves me correctly, I belive
:) they both go in seperate files, but I could be wrong....

Create an empty file in the same directory where your PINERC file is.

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> Create an empty file in the same directory where your PINERC file is.

What do I name that file?

---Andy

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pine.pwd

On Nov 27, 2001 at 12:40 -0500 Andy Malato wrote:

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--> What do I name that file?
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*** Andy Malato ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) > Create an empty file in the same directory where your PINERC file is.
:)
:) What do I name that file?

Sorry, too tired. The name of the file is "pine.pwd".

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Thanks Guys :)

---Andy

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Andy Malato ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) > Create an empty file in the same directory where your PINERC file is.
> :)
> :) What do I name that file?
>
> Sorry, too tired. The name of the file is "pine.pwd".
>
> --
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> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> [...]
>
> (*) To unfortunately add one bit of negativity, it really would be much
> simpler to just be able to make one *filter* that checks recipients and then
> moves non-matching to a folder, rather than this two step "set scores then
> filter on scores) setup, which is good, but I think more complicated than a
> lot of people need. I don't mean complicated as in "hard to understand", just
> overblown.

We agree. It would be really nice if there was a NOT in the rules
definitions so that this would be easier.

Steve Hubert

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Steve Hubert wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>> (*) To unfortunately add one bit of negativity, it really would be much
>> simpler to just be able to make one *filter* that checks recipients and then
>> moves non-matching to a folder, rather than this two step "set scores then
>> filter on scores) setup, which is good, but I think more complicated than a
>> lot of people need. I don't mean complicated as in "hard to understand", just
>> overblown.
>
>We agree. It would be really nice if there was a NOT in the rules
>definitions so that this would be easier.

You're right. At first I wasn't sure how that would help, but looking at
the filter setup screen, adding a NOT would solve all of my problems..

I could just make one filter that was effectively:

Recip pattern = NOT([email protected],[email protected], etc..)

Filter Action =
Set Choose One
--- --------------------
( ) Just Set Message Status
( ) Delete
(*) Move (Enter folder name(s) in primary collection, or use ^T)
Folder List = {area.com}suspected_spam

that would solve my problems. (and I used "NOT" rather than "!" to make
it hopefully more understandable to new users)

As a separate issue, I noticed that my most recent Schwab emails are showing
up as:

[ Part 1, Text/PLAIN 202 lines. ]
[ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ]

[ Part 2, Text/HTML 485 lines. ]
[ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ]

and it's not just showing me the text-plain part automatically. This is
on pine 4.33 (on this personal acct)..

Would this be solved by getting them to upgrade it?

Oh, and as long as I'm mentioning all of the problems, I can't view by
thread on this acct either, because it ends up closing the folder.. I think
this is because they're using qmail?? It works fine on my work acct (with 4.40)

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Strange thing when I was trying to select multiple messages..

I hit ;, then N.. to select message 173-184.. I typo'd and did 174-184..
Then I tried to hit ;, N, and select 173-184.. But it wouldn't let me
because "No change resulted. 11 messages remain selected."

Any idea?

173 Nov 19 Gary O'leary-Steele (2312) SQL
174 Nov 19 neil-at-geekshanty-dot-com (4341) Re: SQL
175 Nov 20 root (2846) Re: SQL
176 Nov 19 Kevin Spett (4499) Re: SQL
177 Nov 20 Sverre H. Huseby (2857) Re: SQL
178 Nov 20 Javier Fernndez-Sanguino (4375) RE: SQL
179 Nov 20 Holmes, Ben (4510) RE: SQL
180 Nov 20 Paul Midian (5034) RE: SQL
181 Nov 21 Andy Miller (6422) RE: SQL
182 Nov 22 rudi carell (7758) RE: SQL
183 Nov 22 Andrea secondote? (2779) Re: SQL
184 Nov 23 Javier Fernndez-Sanguino (3865) RE: SQL

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Is anyone at UW or elsewhere working on adapting Pine to translate all
incoming messages (including all header displays) into UTF-8 for output to a
UTF-8 display device? It appears that most or all of the pieces are in the
source, but it hasn't been done.

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Hello,

I'd like to find out if this is possible.

Got a message with several MIME attachments.

Need to forward the message to a mailing list,
however, I either want to edit the mime attachments
for formatting or forward the message as plain text
so I can edit it that way.

Is there such a function to treat MIME as plaintext?

Ovanes

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Dear Pine Team,

Thanks for putting the pine, pico, pilot, rpdump, and rpload man
pages on the Pine Information Center. Yesterday they were here

http://www.washington.edu/pine/man/

But today they're not. I hope it's just a temporary bug that
they're missing.

Also, I can not find documentation about alternate-compose-menu
in the PIC, e.g., here

http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/config.html

Could you please add info about this feature so I can link to it?

Thanks!
Nancy
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Erik Parker wrote:

> Strange thing when I was trying to select multiple messages..
>
> I hit ;, then N.. to select message 173-184.. I typo'd and did 174-184..
> Then I tried to hit ;, N, and select 173-184.. But it wouldn't let me
> because "No change resulted. 11 messages remain selected."
>
> Any idea?

Erik,
I suspect the second series was actually ; N N 173-184 (the first N
being Narrow selection---since you have a non-intersection, that's what
it'll do) Instead, you should have: ; B N 173-184 to Broaden the
selection!
jo

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<snip>
> You're right. At first I wasn't sure how that would help, but looking at
> the filter setup screen, adding a NOT would solve all of my problems..
>
> I could just make one filter that was effectively:
>
> Recip pattern = NOT([email protected],[email protected], etc..)

If you're looking to eliminate spam, someone pointed this procmail recipe
out to me:

http://www.johncon.com/john/StochasticUCEDetection/

I have not tried it, because my company has a spam/virus prevention
system, but it sounds like it's quite effective. I'd be curious to know
if it works, but I realize this isn't really on-topic anymore. Just
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Hi Nancy,

Thanks for alerting us of these problems. The man pages should now
display, and documentation about the alternate-compose-menu will be
available in the next version.

Jeff

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Nancy McGough wrote:

> Dear Pine Team,
>
> Thanks for putting the pine, pico, pilot, rpdump, and rpload man
> pages on the Pine Information Center. Yesterday they were here
>
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/man/
>
> But today they're not. I hope it's just a temporary bug that
> they're missing.
>
> Also, I can not find documentation about alternate-compose-menu
> in the PIC, e.g., here
>
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/config.html
>
> Could you please add info about this feature so I can link to it?
>
> Thanks!
> Nancy
> ^x
>
>
>

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I've been using pine now for about 5 years and I love it. I've has this
same e-mail address for the same 5 years and as such I get *ALOT* of spam.
I do use spambouncer (http://www.spambouncer.org) and manage to block out
the majority of my spam (About 30 a day), but I was thinking based on the
SPAMREPLY=BOUNCE feature in spambouncer that it might be possible to write
something into pine that you could hit a key That would simulate a
MAILER-DAEMON bounce message and send it to the spammer in hopes that they
would assume that the address is no good and remove it from his list. Now
obviously this wouldn't work on bogus return addresses, but could help
with a good portion of my spam problems.

Has anything like this been written? If not, does anyone know of plans to
write something like this?

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Christopher Fisk wrote:

> something into pine that you could hit a key That would simulate a
> MAILER-DAEMON bounce message and send it to the spammer in hopes that they
> would assume that the address is no good and remove it from his list.

Hrmph. Use the "D" key; a lot less stress (and will have the same effect).

-Kenny, who can't be up-in-arms over a few extra pieces of E-mail

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>> something into pine that you could hit a key That would simulate a
>> MAILER-DAEMON bounce message and send it to the spammer in hopes that they
>> would assume that the address is no good and remove it from his list.
>
>Hrmph. Use the "D" key; a lot less stress (and will have the same effect).
>
> -Kenny, who can't be up-in-arms over a few extra pieces of E-mail

Well, like I said, I do go through the "D" key quite liberally, and
spambouncer actually manages to filter 99% of my spam to my spam folder,
but it's an itch I have. And if I knew an iota of programming I might
scratch it, was just hoping someone else has already =)

Christopher Fisk

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I had given thought to writing something like this, before talking
to some people who know a lot about spammers. I'm convinced the
spammers really don't care what bounces back and they don't give
a thought to weeding their lists ... if they can get 80% of the
addresses on their list thru to the recipients, that's good enough
for them.

> I've been using pine now for about 5 years and I love it. I've has this
> same e-mail address for the same 5 years and as such I get *ALOT* of spam.
> I do use spambouncer (http://www.spambouncer.org) and manage to block out
> the majority of my spam (About 30 a day), but I was thinking based on the
> SPAMREPLY=BOUNCE feature in spambouncer that it might be possible to write
> something into pine that you could hit a key That would simulate a
> MAILER-DAEMON bounce message and send it to the spammer in hopes that they
> would assume that the address is no good and remove it from his list. Now
> obviously this wouldn't work on bogus return addresses, but could help
> with a good portion of my spam problems.
>
> Has anything like this been written? If not, does anyone know of plans to
> write something like this?
>
> Christopher Fisk
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Ed Arnold wrote:

> if they can get 80% of the addresses on their list thru to the recipients,
> that's good enough for them.

Hell, I hear *10%*!

-Kenny

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Hello Family,

I was wondering if anyone has some examples of a ~/.procmailrc file
I could see, I'm a bit confused with some examples such as:

MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox

Pine as we know creates $HOME/Mail and it just holds a series of
files called:

.drafts.index
.inbox.index
.inbox.index.sorted
.outbox.index
.sent-mail.index
.trash.index
drafts
from
inbox
outbox
sent-mail
trash

And the directory called $HOME/mail contains all of Pine's folders,
so with that (slightly) understood is the above MAILDIR and DEFAULT
correct ?

I'm using RedHat-7.2

TIA

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Sorry for bringing this out of the dust. I found a posting just over one
year old regarding this.

I have been searching for info on how to write a custom header to allow an
outgoing message to be flagged as urgent. If anyone out there is using this
feature set... or you know how to set this up..... or can point me to a link
that can show me how to set this up.... please let me know..

TIA

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Subject: Pine 4.43 now available
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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.43. This is a bug-fix release.

Specific information can be found in the built-in release notes ("R"
off the Main Menu), and via:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm443w32.zip

As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment
before placing Pine into production use.

The Pine Development Team

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From: Christopher Fisk <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Urgent flagging
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>I have been searching for info on how to write a custom header to allow
an
>outgoing message to be flagged as urgent. If anyone out there is using this
>feature set... or you know how to set this up..... or can point me to a link
>that can show me how to set this up.... please let me know..

In your ~/.pinerc file change/add the following line:

customized-hdrs=Reply-To,
X-Priority,
X-MSMail-Priority

When you run pine after saving that file start composition of a message,
hit ^R while in the headers section of the composition to get a full
header selection. You will then see those customized headers.

For "HIGH" Priority, you would set:

X-Priority: 1
X-MSMail-Priority: High

For "LOW" Priority, you would set:

X-Priority: 5
X-MSMail-Priority: Low

FOr "NORMAL" Priority, you would set:

X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

For more fun, add:

"X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/"
To your headers and outlook users will see that above the From:
line everytime they read a message from you.

Other witty one-liners include:

Outlook : A program to spread viri, but it can do mail too.

(Courtesy of http://www.rodos.net/outlook/)

Christopher Fisk

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From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
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On 29 Nov 2001 Christopher Fisk ([email protected]) wrote:
> For more fun, add:
>
> "X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/"
> To your headers and outlook users will see that above the From:
> line everytime they read a message from you.
>
> Other witty one-liners include:
>
> Outlook : A program to spread viri, but it can do mail too.
>
> (Courtesy of http://www.rodos.net/outlook/)

Wow, this is great! I'm trying out the X-Message-Flag header
right now in this message. If anyone has access to Outlook or
Outlook Express, can you check this message in Outlook/OE and
tell me

* if my x-message-flag shows up as described at
http://www.rodos.net/outlook/

* if the URL in the x-message-flag is clickable from within
Outlook or Outlook Express

Also, I'm curious to hear from Christopher what kind of feedback
he's gotten from Outlook/OE users who see his message?

Does anyone know if case matters in ``X-Message-Flag''?

Does anyone have suggestions for what to put in the
x-message-flag header? I don't want to irritate Outlook/OE users
toooooooooo much. Something funny but informative would be
good...

I plan to add info about this in my Pine Promotion section, which
is here

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#promote>

Thanks for a great tip!
Nancy
(no sign of Outlook/OE on my system so I can't test this myself)

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It looks great.... Check out the enclosed image

And the link is NOT clickable

On Nov 29, 2001 at 11:54 -0000 Nancy McGough wrote:

--> On 29 Nov 2001 Christopher Fisk ([email protected]) wrote:
--> > For more fun, add:
--> >
--> > "X-message-flag: Get yourself a real mail client! http://www.washington.edu/pine/"
--> > To your headers and outlook users will see that above the From:
--> > line everytime they read a message from you.
--> >
--> > Other witty one-liners include:
--> >
--> > Outlook : A program to spread viri, but it can do mail too.
--> >
--> > (Courtesy of http://www.rodos.net/outlook/)
-->
-->
--> Wow, this is great! I'm trying out the X-Message-Flag header
--> right now in this message. If anyone has access to Outlook or
--> Outlook Express, can you check this message in Outlook/OE and
--> tell me
-->
--> * if my x-message-flag shows up as described at
--> http://www.rodos.net/outlook/
-->
--> * if the URL in the x-message-flag is clickable from within
--> Outlook or Outlook Express
-->
-->
--> Also, I'm curious to hear from Christopher what kind of feedback
--> he's gotten from Outlook/OE users who see his message?
-->
--> Does anyone know if case matters in ``X-Message-Flag''?
-->
--> Does anyone have suggestions for what to put in the
--> x-message-flag header? I don't want to irritate Outlook/OE users
--> toooooooooo much. Something funny but informative would be
--> good...
-->
--> I plan to add info about this in my Pine Promotion section, which
--> is here
-->
--> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#promote>
-->
--> Thanks for a great tip!
--> Nancy
--> (no sign of Outlook/OE on my system so I can't test this myself)
-->
-->
--> --
--> ii Main Pine Page: <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/>
-->
--> Nancy McGough <http://www.ii.com/> Infinite Ink
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-->

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For a few hours after Pine 4.43 was made available, the Solaris 8 binaries
on ftp.cac.washington.edu were actually copies of the 4.42 binaries. That
has now been fixed. You can tell if you have the correct Pine binary by
looking at the version number in the upper-left corner when you run Pine.
Sorry for any inconvenience.

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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*** Bill Schoolcraft ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Nov...:

:) I was wondering if anyone has some examples of a ~/.procmailrc file
:) I could see, I'm a bit confused with some examples such as:
:)
:) MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail
:) DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox

I don't use those, so I can't help you there.

:) Pine as we know creates $HOME/Mail and it just holds a series of
:) files called:
:)
:) .drafts.index .inbox.index .inbox.index.sorted .outbox.index
:) .sent-mail.index .trash.index drafts from inbox outbox sent-mail trash

Pine does not creat $HOME/Mail, that looks like what Netscape creates.
Pine does not have those folders.

:) And the directory called $HOME/mail contains all of Pine's folders,

Yes, but only those where you save messages. You can add more folders
there, and some people add incoming-folders there, but that's another
story. The min use of this directory is to save read messages, not to
receive messages there, although, I'm sure some people think differently
about it.

:) so with that (slightly) understood is the above MAILDIR and DEFAULT
:) correct ?

Go to google.com, enter "procmail help". I'm sure there will be more than
100 hits explaining how to set up procmail. Isn't the web great?

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From: Seth Meyer <[email protected]>
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Subject: Pine 4.4x and the Kerberos 4 Patch Kit ??
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Hello All,

Has anyone had experience using the Kerberos 4 Patch Kit with Pine 4.4x ?

I am seeing a problem: Kerberos_V4 SASL authentication fails; the client
asks the server for Kerberos_V4 authentication, then the server rejects
the authenticator:

42 0.00055 gremlins.imap.itd.umich.edu -> metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu IMAP R port=55798 * CAPABILITY IMAP4 I

0: 0800 209b 60f7 00d0 0621 f7fd 0800 4500 .. .`�...!�...E.
16: 00d5 130b 4000 fd06 5a16 8dd3 0e0d 8dd5 [email protected].......
32: e64b 008f d9f6 574e 7b1f 850c 50e2 5018 .K...�WN{...P.P.
48: 2238 f845 0000 2a20 4341 5041 4249 4c49 "8�E..* CAPABILI
64: 5459 2049 4d41 5034 2049 4d41 5034 5245 TY IMAP4 IMAP4RE
80: 5631 204e 414d 4553 5041 4345 2049 444c V1 NAMESPACE IDL
96: 4520 5343 414e 2053 4f52 5420 4d41 494c E SCAN SORT MAIL
112: 424f 582d 5245 4645 5252 414c 5320 4c4f BOX-REFERRALS LO
128: 4749 4e2d 5245 4645 5252 414c 5320 4155 GIN-REFERRALS AU
144: 5448 3d4b 4552 4245 524f 535f 5634 2041 TH=KERBEROS_V4 A
160: 5554 483d 4c4f 4749 4e20 5448 5245 4144 UTH=LOGIN THREAD
176: 3d4f 5244 4552 4544 5355 424a 4543 540d =ORDEREDSUBJECT.
192: 0a30 3030 3030 3030 3020 4f4b 2043 4150 .00000000 OK CAP
208: 4142 494c 4954 5920 636f 6d70 6c65 7465 ABILITY complete
224: 640d 0a d..

43 0.00495 metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu -> gremlins.imap.itd.umich.edu IMAP C port=55798 00000001 AUTHENTICAT

0: 0000 0c07 ace6 0800 209b 60f7 0800 4500 ........ .`�..E.
16: 004b 6b30 4000 ff06 007b 8dd5 e64b 8dd3 .Kk0@....{...K..
32: 0e0d d9f6 008f 850c 50e2 574e 7bcc 5018 ...�....P.WN{.P.
48: 2238 8da7 0000 3030 3030 3030 3031 2041 "8....00000001 A
64: 5554 4845 4e54 4943 4154 4520 4b45 5242 UTHENTICATE KERB
80: 4552 4f53 5f56 340d 0a EROS_V4..

44 0.00082 gremlins.imap.itd.umich.edu -> metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu IMAP R port=55798 + AAA2LA==\r\n

0: 0800 209b 60f7 00d0 0621 f7fd 0800 4500 .. .`�...!�...E.
16: 0034 130c 4000 fd06 5ab6 8dd3 0e0d 8dd5 [email protected].......
32: e64b 008f d9f6 574e 7bcc 850c 5105 5018 .K...�WN{...Q.P.
48: 2238 b5b8 0000 2b20 4141 4132 4c41 3d3d "8....+ AAA2LA==
64: 0d0a ..

45 0.04497 metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu -> gremlins.imap.itd.umich.edu IMAP C port=55798

0: 0000 0c07 ace6 0800 209b 60f7 0800 4500 ........ .`�..E.
16: 0028 6b31 4000 ff06 009d 8dd5 e64b 8dd3 .([email protected]..
32: 0e0d d9f6 008f 850c 5105 574e 7bd8 5010 ...�....Q.WN{.P.
48: 2238 f9dc 0000 "8....

46 0.00376 metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu -> gremlins.imap.itd.umich.edu IMAP C port=55798

0: 0000 0c07 ace6 0800 209b 60f7 0800 4500 ........ .`�..E.
16: 002b 6b32 4000 ff06 0099 8dd5 e64b 8dd3 [email protected]..
32: 0e0d d9f6 008f 850c 5105 574e 7bd8 5018 ...�....Q.WN{.P.
48: 2238 c5c4 0000 2a0d 0a "8....*..

47 0.00345 gremlins.imap.itd.umich.edu -> metacortex.gpcc.itd.umich.edu IMAP R port=55798 00000001 NO AUTHENTI

0: 0800 209b 60f7 00d0 0621 f7fd 0800 4500 .. .`�...!�...E.
16: 0055 130d 4000 fd06 5a94 8dd3 0e0d 8dd5 [email protected].......
32: e64b 008f d9f6 574e 7bd8 850c 5108 5018 .K...�WN{...Q.P.
48: 2238 02b1 0000 3030 3030 3030 3031 204e "8....00000001 N
64: 4f20 4155 5448 454e 5449 4341 5445 204b O AUTHENTICATE K
80: 4552 4245 524f 535f 5634 2066 6169 6c65 ERBEROS_V4 faile
96: 640d 0a d..

and yet my client has not obtained a service ticket for imap, yet
I have a valid TGT:

smeyer@metacortex:~> klist
Ticket file: /ticket/p1090534387
Principal: [email protected]

Issued Expires Principal
Nov 30 12:58:55 Dec 1 00:43:55 [email protected]
Nov 30 12:58:55 Dec 1 00:43:55 [email protected]

The Kerberos 4 Patch Kit is unsupported, yet if anyone has run into this,
I'd appreciate hearing about how they handled this.

(I reproduced the above scenario w/ Pine versions 4.41, 4.42, and 4.43
built with NOSSL and NOLDAP, EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS=krb and MIT Krb4
libraries, no GSS support, the SunPRO Forte compiler version 6, in a
solaris 8 sparcv9 environment. The IMAP server is IMAP4rev1 v12.250um1,
not that the um1 is much help to you, but kerberos_v4 sasl auth works
with Pine4.33 and this same server.)

Seth Meyer
University of Michigan

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