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Is there an option to tell pine to NEVER forward messages as an
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Also, whenever a message is forwarded, it forwards message HTML rendered
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Is it possible to force pine to update the .newsrc file manually, other
than exiting and restarting pine? I run pine in screen on a shell
provider, and periodically screen gets killed off, and if the .newsrc
hasnt been updated recently, well the next time I go to read news there is
a whole buttload of new messages :( In slrn I have gotten in the habit of
pressing 'x' to force a write to the .newsrc so that it is always updated
before I disconnect from a screen session. Anything similar in pine?

TIA,

nuk

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I am running a Cyrus IMAP Server and am attempting to run Pine with this
configuration. My mail is stored in /var/spool/imap/user/NAME. The
permissions on this directory structure are owned by cyrus, and the
group is root, but root has no permissions on the directory structure.
I am successfully using Microsoft Outlook, and a Webmail client to
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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*** nuk ([email protected]) wrote on Sep 2, 2001:

:) Is it possible to force pine to update the .newsrc file manually,
:) other than exiting and restarting pine?

The .newsrc file gets updated when you close the newsgroup that were
reading. I haven't found any other way to do this.

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From: nuk <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** nuk ([email protected]) wrote on Sep 2, 2001:
>
> :) Is it possible to force pine to update the .newsrc file manually,
> :) other than exiting and restarting pine?
>
> The .newsrc file gets updated when you close the newsgroup that were
> reading. I haven't found any other way to do this.
>
>

Well, what I am running into is that if I use slrn for a while, w/o
updating the .newsrc by forcing a manual update w/ 'x', if I get dropped
and restart slrn, it shows many, many messages as unread, basically all
the way back to the last time I either exited slrn or saved the .newsrc.
Understandable. Annoying, but understandable.

Now toss pine into the mix. I can read messages all day long in slrn, go
to pine for a couple of days, and then go back to slrn (don't ask why, I
just do at times ;P ) Now, when I open up slrn, all the news messages
show as unread all the way back to the last time I used slrn. Pine didn't
make a dent on my .newsrc. That's just weird.

nuk

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1) I go to a URL through pine, which launches links, which works
2) I quit links
-> pine crashes

I just checked my configuration, the url viewer is simply the full path to
links.

Date/Time: 2001-09-04 17:57:37 -0700
OS Version: 10.1 (Build xxxx)

Command: pine
PID: 779

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000

Thread 0:
#0 0x00000000 in 0x0
#1 0x7000f81c in _sigtramp
#2 0x70006af0 in nanosleep
#3 0x7000be90 in closedir

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x00000000 srr1: 0x4000d030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x00000020 lr: 0x7000f81c ctr: 0x00000000 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0xbfffe110 r2: 0x8000053d r3: 0x00000014
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0xbfffe398 r6: 0x00000000 r7: 0xbfffe4c8
r8: 0x00000000 r9: 0x00000001 r10: 0x00000000 r11: 0x80003414
r12: 0x00000000 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00fff89c r15: 0x00000001
r16: 0x00000001 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000003 r19: 0x00000028
r20: 0x00000001 r21: 0xbfffef60 r22: 0x0004a010 r23: 0x00000003
r24: 0x0005b961 r25: 0x00000000 r26: 0x70004b64 r27: 0x70004b94
r28: 0x0005dca0 r29: 0x0004a1a0 r30: 0x700037d4 r31: 0x70003a64

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On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 [email protected] wrote:
>1) I go to a URL through pine, which launches links, which works
>2) I quit links
>-> pine crashes

btw this crash I posted about is completely reproducible.

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Ok, I'm lazy.

After I go look at another mail folder, I want to go back to my INBOX..
Since I have a bunch of mail folders, it always seems tedious to arrow
back to my INBOX (though I admit it doesn't feel particularly tedious to
arrow to the other mailbox in the first place).

Basically, since INBOX is "special", is there a way to get back to INBOX
faster? (i.e. 1 keypress?) and/or would this be a good thing to do?
I guess it would have to be a preference, since pine is usually (always?)
not case-sensitive, but as something the geek user has to turn specifically
ON, I would suggest "I" to mean "go back to Index for INBOX". and 'i' would
still go to the index of the current folder.

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) After I go look at another mail folder, I want to go back to my INBOX..

What I do, is to define in my configuration:

goto-default-rule =
(*) inbox-or-folder-in-recent-collection

Anytime I need to go to my INBOX I press "g RETURN", and if I need to go
back to the place I was before I do the same again.

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On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
>:) After I go look at another mail folder, I want to go back to my INBOX..
>
>What I do, is to define in my configuration:
>
>goto-default-rule =
> (*) inbox-or-folder-in-recent-collection
>
>Anytime I need to go to my INBOX I press "g RETURN", and if I need to go
>back to the place I was before I do the same again.

woohoo.. I didn't even know about this..

(*) inbox-or-folder-in-first-collection
( ) first-collection-with-inbox-default

These two seem to work for me (in a VERY brief test). i.e. "g<return>"
goes to INBOX.

( ) inbox-or-folder-in-recent-collection

ok, I must be confused -- I could swear the first time I tried this,
when I was at the main menu, g<return> went back to suspected_spam
(and it was the one listed in the brackets).

So I guess I oughta go read the help text for these options.

Basically -- thanks for the info about the goto command. Way better
than the old "ml<return>arrows<return>" method. I still think an
optional one-key-to-inbox (or maybe even a user-specified folder) might
be nice, but that is me *ADMITTEDLY* being a whiner.

Two keys is great!

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Greetings.

I'm wondering, is there any patch for pine that fixes the problem that
iso-8859-1 quoted strings as filenames are not decoded?

Included below is a message from the Evolution mailing list earlier this
year, addressing this problem.

> Note that RFC 2183 does not require (ie, it doesn't say SHOULD or MUST)
> that the filename attribute be used as the basis for the name of the
> saved file.

Oops, what I meant to say was: 2183 doesn't require that the filename
attribute be used as the saved filename, but recommends that it be used
as the BASIS for the filename and that the filename be changed according
to avoid file name conflicts, enusre legal filename on local filesystem,
etc.

RFC 2184 specifies how to deal with long filename parameters and
filenames containing non-ascii characters, but Evolution currently
neither recognizes nor produces RFC2184-compliant MIME-headers.

Here's how different mailers set the filename attribute:

1. Elm and Evolution:
filename=3D"=E1=F3 =E9=ED=F1.txt"
2. Mozilla:
filename=3D"=3D?iso-8859-1?Q?=3DE1=3DF3=3D20=3DE9=3DED=3DF1=3D2Etxt?=3D"
3. Outlook
filename=3D"=3D?iso-8859-1?B?4fMg6e3xLnR4dA=3D=3D?=3D"
4. Pine
filename*=3D"X-UNKNOWN''%E1%F3 %E9%ED%F1.txt"

1 is illegal since it contains 8-bit characters, which can't occur in a
quoted-text string.

2 and 3 are legal, but don't have the right semantics: if an attribute
value starts and ends with "'s, it's a quoted-string, and so
"=3D?iso-8859-1?B?4fMg6e3xLnR4dA=3D=3D?=3D" refers to the string

=3D?iso-8859-1?B?4fMg6e3xLnR4dA=3D=3D?=3D

and not the intended

=E1=F3 =E9=ED=F1.txt

4 is legal, but not RFC 2184-compliant, since extended-value isn't
supposed to have any quotes around it, or spaces within.

The correct way would be:
filename*=3DX-UNKNOWN''%E1%F3%20%E9%ED%F1.txt

Evolution should generate the correct version, and accept the incorrect
versions (ie, interpret all versions above as "=E1=F3 =E9=ED=F1.txt")

-Richard

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One of the most frequent Pine questions is people wanting to know
how to determine which mailboxes contain new messages. I know
that the Pine team is planning to implement this but here is an
idea that seems like it would be easy to implement and would make
it easier to figure out which mailboxes contain new messages and
be a useful feature to have even after the real feature is
implemented.

Currently the folder-sort-rule configuration looks like this:

folder-sort-rule =
Set Rule Values
--- ----------------------
( ) alphabetical
( ) alpha-with-dirs-last
( ) alpha-with-dirs-first

I propose adding options based on date, e.g.:

folder-sort-rule =
Set Rule Values
--- ----------------------
( ) alphabetical
( ) alpha-with-dirs-last
( ) alpha-with-dirs-first
( ) date-with-dirs-last
( ) date-with-dirs-first
(*) reverse-date-with-dirs-last
( ) reverse-date-with-dirs-first

And then if the option I've * above were chosen, the mailboxes
that received messages most recently would be listed first and I
could step through these looking for new messages. If the date
were also listed on the Folder List screen, that would be an even
better clue!

Thanks for considering this!
Nancy
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Dear Pinesters,

There is a Windows tool called Mailbag Assistant, which sounds
very cool and I think it would be a nice companion to Pine for
users who archive their messages on an MS Windows machine. You
can find out about it here:

http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/

I downloaded it and tried to use it on my mailbox archives but I
couldn't get it to work with them. Below is an excerpt of an
exchange I had with Eric Fookes, the author of MBA, and then
below that is my questions to you all...

> From: Eric G.V. Fookes <[email protected]>
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:22:02 +0200
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>
> Hi Nance,
>
> >When I learned about NoteTab and MailBag, I was very enthusiastic
> >and put a links to both of them on my Pine page in the "Companion
> >Programs" section.
>
> Oh great! Thanks :)
>
> >Since I can't use MailBag on Pine mailboxes,
> >I've commented it out for now but as soon as MBA supports Unix
> >mbox format mailboxes, I'll add it back.
>
> I'll have to do something about that. It won't be for version
> 2.6, but maybe the following one. Perhaps you could send me a
> small sample Pine mailbox that contains a mix of messages (such
> as different priority values, small attachments)? If you can do
> that for me, .zip the file and send it to me as an attachment
> to <[email protected]>.
>
> [...]
>
> Regards,
> Eric G.V. Fookes
> Author of NoteTab, Mailbag Assistant, and Album Express
> http://www.fookes.com/ and http://www.notetab.com/

And now my questions to you all.

On my Power Pine page in this section

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#ftp

I say:

The following folder formats work in both PC-Pine and Unix Pine:

* unix mbox (default format for Unix Pine)
* c-client MBX (default format for PC-Pine)
* mtx
* tenex

But there is another format that PC-Pine understands and that is
unix mbox but using DOS end-of-line (CRLF) instead of Unix
end-of-line (LF).

Q1] Does this CRLF unix mbox format have a name?

Q2] Can Unix Pine also use it?

Other questions:

Q3] Are there any standard filename extensions used for different
mailbox formats? I've started using .cmbx for c-client MBX format
and .unix for unix mbox format (with LF for end-of-line) but I'm
wondering if there are any standard extensions that people are
using for these and other folder formats that Pine understands,
e.g., the CRLF unix mbox format. It seems to me that .mbx should
be avoided because it is used by too many different mail clients
to mean too many different formats and thus is ambiguous.

Q4] This is actually a request to the Pine developers: PLEASE
please please give PC-Pine users an option to have their
mailboxes default to be created in Unix mbox format rather than
c-client MBX format. For those of us who live in both the Unix
and Windows world and use lots of Unix-based tools, Unix mbox
format is the best because it is understood by all kinds of
tools.

Q5] If anyone, e.g., the Pine developers, has sample mailboxes
that contain a "mix of messages (such as different priority
values, small attachments)" that I can send to Eric, please let
me know.

Thanks!
Nancy

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On 7 Sep 2001 Cornelius C. Noack ([email protected]) wrote:
> How can I (manually at present, I realize) set my folder
> formats in PC-Pine to annything but the default MBX ?

To use traditional Unix mbox format, prepend #driver.unix to the
file specification (server, path, and/or name). I discuss details
(and problems) about this here:

<http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2001.04/msg00110.html>

> > Q4] This is actually a request to the Pine developers: PLEASE
> > please please give PC-Pine users an option to have their
> > mailboxes default to be created in Unix mbox format
> >
> I strongly support this request, for precisely the reasons you give!

Another reason is political: Making it so difficult to use a
mailbox format other than c-client MBX makes PC-Pine almost as
bad as the evil empire's Outlook and Outlook Express, which also
lock people into a proprietary mailbox format. One of the reasons
I use and promote Pine is because it hasn't done this kind of
thing in the past.

Nancy
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Hi all -

I've got an LDAP directory defined in Pine so that it implicitly fills in
any non-fully-formed addresses with the full name. That works fine.

I would like to suppress Pine's check against the local /etc/passwd file
or any other local source, and just have it check the .addressbook file
and then go the LDAP directory. Is there any way to suppress this check of
the local information?

Jeff Baxter
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*** Jeff Baxter ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Sep 11, 2001:

:) I would like to suppress Pine's check against the local /etc/passwd file
:) or any other local source, and just have it check the .addressbook file
:) and then go the LDAP directory. Is there any way to suppress this check of
:) the local information?

Dear Jeff,

You will have to enable:

[X] quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file

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Hello.

I am using Pine with UW-imap server. The incoming mail is filtered with
procmail, which delivers it to IMAP folders through dmail. Only one
collection is defined, which is my IMAP account (server "ormelune").

As I am subscribed to several mailing-lists, I want to use the
pruned-folders feature. Here is what is defined :

pruned-folders={ormelune}verimag/root,
{ormelune}list/debian-french,
{ormelune}list/debian-security,
{ormelune}list/debian-user,
...

However, when I start pine, it tells me "Ignoring pruned folders outside
of defaut collection". I understand it will not move old folders each
month.

So how can I achieve this behaviour ?

Thanks,
Nicolas.

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At Tue, 11 Sep 2001 it looks like Eric Wu composed:

eric_z->Hi All,
eric_z->
eric_z->I am new in this group.
eric_z->Could someone tell me how to use Pine to send
eric_z->email from Unix command line directly ?
eric_z->Thanks in advance!
eric_z->

Well it wouldn't be pine that is used but providing your MTA is
working ok lets send yourself a file off the Unix machine your on.

(begin command)

mail -s "Mail Test for Eric" [email protected] < /etc/passwd

(end of command)

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eric Wu wrote:

> Could someone tell me how to use Pine to send
> email from Unix command line directly ?

It depends on what you mean. You could start pine with recepient address
directly on the command line, and even give a file to attach. Then you
enter the mail editing mode. When you have sent the mail, you'll be back
on the command line:

pine -attach /etc/passwd [email protected]

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At Wed, 12 Sep 2001 it looks like Mats Dufberg composed:

dufber->On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eric Wu wrote:
dufber->
dufber->> Could someone tell me how to use Pine to send
dufber->> email from Unix command line directly ?
dufber->
dufber->It depends on what you mean. You could start pine with recepient address
dufber->directly on the command line, and even give a file to attach. Then you
dufber->enter the mail editing mode. When you have sent the mail, you'll be back
dufber->on the command line:
dufber->
dufber->pine -attach /etc/passwd [email protected]
dufber->
dufber->

Hmmm, didn't know that. Could you add a "subject" to that pine
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>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eric Wu wrote:
>
>> Could someone tell me how to use Pine to send
>> email from Unix command line directly ?
>
>It depends on what you mean. You could start pine with recepient address
>directly on the command line, and even give a file to attach. Then you
>enter the mail editing mode. When you have sent the mail, you'll be back
>on the command line:
>
>pine -attach /etc/passwd [email protected]

I think the edit mode is the problem for him. I'm tryed to do this
with pine, but I couldn't force it to do not enter in the edit mode.
Finally for the sending e-mails from the command line I choose the
"mutt" which is good for this task. For example:

cat text_body_file.txt | mutt -s "Subject" -a "attachment_file.zip" -x [email protected]

For the normal reading I'm still using the PINE, which is better for
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> Hmmm, didn't know that. Could you add a "subject" to that pine
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Yes, with the more general URL switch. Try

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on one line. The quotes are needed to prevent the shell from interpreting
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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*** Murphy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I think the edit mode is the problem for him. I'm tryed to do this
:) with pine, but I couldn't force it to do not enter in the edit mode.

If you do not want to enter the edit mode, try a patch that I wrote which
you can get from my web page (address below).

:) Finally for the sending e-mails from the command line I choose the
:) "mutt" which is good for this task. For example:
:)
:) cat text_body_file.txt | mutt -s "Subject" -a "attachment_file.zip" -x [email protected]

Mutt is still known to have some bugs when sending mail from the command
line and corrupting attachments (the last known case is a pdf file), so
even some participants in comp.mail.mutt do not recommend to do this and
they recommned to use mpack.

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 [email protected] wrote:
>From: Bill Schoolcraft <[email protected]>
>At Tue, 11 Sep 2001 it looks like Eric Wu composed:
>eric_z->Could someone tell me how to use Pine to send
>eric_z->email from Unix command line directly ?
>eric_z->Thanks in advance!
>Well it wouldn't be pine that is used but providing your MTA is
>working ok lets send yourself a file off the Unix machine your on.
>(begin command)
>mail -s "Mail Test for Eric" [email protected] < /etc/passwd
>(end of command)

Well, I sure wish that I could use pine as my mail program that trn and
lynx/links use, AND save copies in my sent-mail folder just like mail sent
normally from pine. (And since I'm usually running a 'screen' window with
pine already on the same session that I want these to happen on, if it
switched to that screen session and used that already-existing pine I wouldn't
even have to enter my password again.)

Yes, I know, I'm dreaming.. But configurability is one thing GUI programs can
learn from UNIX programs... and I think *COMPLEX* (user-level) interoperability
is one thing UNIX programs can learn from GUI programs. (Of course, pipes,
redirection, temp files, etc., are a great form of interoperability too.)

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Hi,

I wanted to upgrade my version of pine about some useful patches, but
unfortunately I got a error message during compilation like this:
> ./build gs5
(cut)
Making Pine.
make CC=gcc -f makefile.gs5
gcc -g -DDEBUG -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"GSO\" -DMOUSE -c -o mailcmd.o
mailcmd.c
mailcmd.c: In function `save_prompt':
mailcmd.c:2138: `V_SAVE_RULES' undeclared (first use in this function)
mailcmd.c:2138: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
mailcmd.c:2138: for each function it appears in.)
mailcmd.c: In function `do_broach_folder':
mailcmd.c:5747: `V_SORT_RULES' undeclared (first use in this function)
mailcmd.c:5777: `V_STARTUP_RULES' undeclared (first use in this
function)
make: *** [mailcmd.o] Error 1
(cut)

I added patches for:

curcolor_patch.gz
fillpara_patch.gz
flags_patch.gz
fromheader_patch.gz
incoming_patch.gz
reply_patch.gz
rules_patch.gz

And also files:

rules_c.gz
rules_h.gz

What I should change to make this compilation work?

Regards,
Murphy

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*** Murphy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I wanted to upgrade my version of pine about some useful patches, but
:) unfortunately I got a error message during compilation like this:
[deleted]

The problem must be on the application of the patches. The patches are
supposed to be applied on clean source and sometimes the application of
two or more patches conflicts and that may make the application of the
patch fail and create this kind of problems. I'll give you a patch that
will fix your problems.

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>*** Murphy ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
>:) I wanted to upgrade my version of pine about some useful patches, but
>:) unfortunately I got a error message during compilation like this:
>[deleted]
>The problem must be on the application of the patches. The patches are
>supposed to be applied on clean source and sometimes the application of
>two or more patches conflicts and that may make the application of the
>patch fail and create this kind of problems. I'll give you a patch that
>will fix your problems.

Actually I found the problem during elimination of other patches. The
problem occur when I'm trying to add a "rules_path". For this patch
there is also needed two files:

rules.c
rules.h

which I copy to the pine4.33/pine directory. But during patching I got
error like this:

patch -p0 < rules_patch

patching file pine4.33/build
patching file pine4.33/pine/init.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 209 with fuzz 2 (offset 5 lines).
Hunk #2 FAILED at 479.
Hunk #3 FAILED at 1509.
Hunk #4 succeeded at 2386 (offset 17 lines).
2 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file pine4.33/pine/init.c.rej
patching file pine4.33/pine/mailcmd.c
Hunk #2 succeeded at 115 with fuzz 2.
Hunk #3 succeeded at 2121 (offset 139 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 2950 (offset 139 lines).
Hunk #7 succeeded at 5193 (offset 148 lines).
Hunk #9 succeeded at 5753 with fuzz 2 (offset 159 lines).
Hunk #10 FAILED at 5779.
Hunk #11 succeeded at 5659 (offset 7 lines).
Hunk #12 succeeded at 5829 (offset 159 lines).
Hunk #13 FAILED at 5941.
Hunk #14 succeeded at 5939 (offset 22 lines).
Hunk #15 succeeded at 6504 with fuzz 2 (offset 55 lines).
Hunk #16 FAILED at 6538.
Hunk #17 FAILED at 6546.
4 out of 17 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file pine4.33/pine/mailcmd.c.rej
patching file pine4.33/pine/mailindx.c
Hunk #2 succeeded at 575 (offset 32 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 2097 (offset 16 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 2130 (offset 32 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 2135 (offset 16 lines).
Hunk #6 succeeded at 2159 (offset 32 lines).
Hunk #7 succeeded at 3147 (offset 16 lines).
Hunk #8 succeeded at 3482 (offset 67 lines).
Hunk #9 succeeded at 3463 (offset 16 lines).
Hunk #10 succeeded at 3690 (offset 67 lines).
Hunk #11 succeeded at 3656 (offset 16 lines).
Hunk #12 succeeded at 5373 (offset 107 lines).
Hunk #13 succeeded at 5331 (offset 16 lines).
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.a32
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.a41
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.aix
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.aux
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.bs2
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.bsd
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.bsf
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.bsi
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.bso
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.cvx
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.d-g
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.dpx
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.dyn
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.epx
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.gen
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.gh9
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.ghp
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.gs4
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.gs5
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.gsu
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.gul
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.hpp
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.hpx
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.isc
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.lnx
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.lyn
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.mct
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.mnt
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.msc
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.neb
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.nxt
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.osf
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.pt1
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.ptx
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.s40
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.sc5
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.sco
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.sgi
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.so4
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.so5
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.sun
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.sv4
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.ult
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.uw2
patching file pine4.33/pine/makefile.vul
patching file pine4.33/pine/other.c
Hunk #1 FAILED at 6731.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file pine4.33/pine/other.c.rej
patching file pine4.33/pine/pine.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 256 (offset 6 lines).
Hunk #2 succeeded at 2829 (offset 3 lines).
patching file pine4.33/pine/pine.h
Hunk #1 FAILED at 439.
Hunk #2 FAILED at 660.
Hunk #3 succeeded at 926 (offset 19 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 1660 (offset 24 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 1672 (offset 19 lines).
Hunk #6 succeeded at 2622 (offset 25 lines).
Hunk #7 succeeded at 2661 (offset 19 lines).
2 out of 7 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file pine4.33/pine/pine.h.rej
patching file pine4.33/pine/pine.hlp
Hunk #2 succeeded at 11985 (offset 1 line).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 12297 (offset 1 line).
Hunk #6 succeeded at 14519 (offset 74 lines).
Hunk #7 succeeded at 19047 (offset 65 lines).
patching file pine4.33/pine/reply.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 302 (offset 3 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 378 with fuzz 2 (offset 20 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 1539 (offset 1 line).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 1633 (offset 20 lines).
Hunk #6 succeeded at 2655 (offset 88 lines).
Hunk #7 succeeded at 2771 (offset 20 lines).
Hunk #8 succeeded at 3083 (offset 88 lines).
Hunk #9 succeeded at 3030 (offset 20 lines).
Hunk #10 succeeded at 3312 (offset 88 lines).
patching file pine4.33/pine/send.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 6080 (offset 10 lines).

Sombody tryed to patch PINE 4.33 using this patch?

Regards,
Murphy

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Hi,

I discovered that messages which has filed in header "Reply-To" then
proper rule is used to storing "Fcc" file according to the settings
from address book. The problem is that not every e-mail contain this
entry. In this case the default rule for "fcc-name-rule", which is
"default-fcc" in my settings, doesn't work like I would like to have.

Normally, when the "Reply-To" header is present, the Pine gets the
location of "Fcc" from the address book, which is correct. But if
there is no "Reply-To" header, the default rule is "saved-mail", which
is not like should be. I know, that I can add some rules for replying
the e-mails, but it will be better to have other "fcc-name-rule" like
"by-address-from-addresbook" (or something like this). The idea is to
find the address in the address book, then using this address to get
corresponding Fcc location. In this case you can save your outgoing
copy into the proper place.

I don't know maybe somebody found some solution for this (or some
patch which extend the options for the "fcc-name-rule" actions).

What you all think about?

Regards,
Murphy

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After poking around on the WU pine web for a while, I found an
explanation of Pine's policy of always using base64 encoding for
text/plain attachments. I don't agree with that policy, though.

When I attach a US-ASCII file, I'd like it to go as quoted-printable
or even as 7-bit so that its contents will still be text searchable in
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Pine tech notes is to include the text in the body of the message if
you want to avoid base64 encoding, but that is unfriendly to people
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that you don't have to transfer the attachments.

Has anyone made a patch for this? I didn't find one on Eduardo's
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Hi,

I want to sort my mails in different folders according to a pattern.
I have enabled the Incoming - folder list option in my config and made a
folder (My Name) IN IT. I want to know that how should I now set a pattern
for it.

Thanks,
Kapil

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*** kapil khosla ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I want to sort my mails in different folders according to a pattern. I
:) have enabled the Incoming - folder list option in my config and made a
:) folder (My Name) IN IT. I want to know that how should I now set a
:) pattern for it.

You can't do that with Pine today, the only way to do so is to apply a
patch which you can get from my web page (address below) called "define
your own rules...". Directions on how to use the patch are in my web
page.

On the other hand, Pine4.40 will have that ability, but it's not known
when that version will be released, though.

--
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Hiya!

I'm trying to compile pine on a linux 2.4.5 with gcc 2.95.3 and
the following is what's hanging up pine (pico and pilot compile fine):

In file included from osdep.c:42:
env_unix.c: In function `do_date':
env_unix.c:296: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer
without a cast
env_unix.c:297: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:297: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:298: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:299: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a
cast
env_unix.c:301: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:301: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:309: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:312: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:316: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
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env_unix.c:317: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:317: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:317: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
In file included from osdep.c:46:
tz_sv4.c: In function `rfc822_timezone':
tz_sv4.c:30: `tzname' undeclared (first use in this function)
tz_sv4.c:30: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
tz_sv4.c:30: for each function it appears in.)
tz_sv4.c:30: `daylight' undeclared (first use in this function)
tz_sv4.c:30: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c: In function `checkpw':
osdep.c:81: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a
cast
osdep.c:82: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:82: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:83: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:84: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a
cast
osdep.c:86: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:86: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:94: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
make[3]: *** [osdep.o] Error 1
make[2]: *** [slx] Error 2

Any ideas?

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I am wondering if I have say an email on a isp, and want to setup pine
to do that, how would I do this? Also I would be doing this throw
telnet to a red hat linux server. Is this even possible?

Let me know at [email protected]

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*** Joe Bernard ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) I am wondering if I have say an email on a isp, and want to setup
:) pine to do that, how would I do this? Also I would be doing this
:) throw telnet to a red hat linux server. Is this even possible?

Yes, there are several ways to do this:

1. The quickest way but not the best:

Set your inbox-path as:

inbox-path = {your.pop3.server/pop3/user=userid}INBOX

2. The longest way but the best:

Press M S C and [X] enable-incoming-folders, quit Pine and restart it
again. Once you restart Pine you need to go to your folder list (press L)
and put the cursor over INBOX. Press "A", Pine will ask you to enter the
server name, enter:

your.pop3.server/pop3/user=userid

after this Pine will ask you to enter the folder that you need to open,
enter:

INBOX

Finally, Pine will ask you for a nickname. This is the name of the folder
as you will see it later, so enter anything. You can always rename it
later.

The advantage of the second method over the first is that every time
that you open the folder created this way you will have an account of the
present state of the folder, this includes if you have new mail or not.
With the first method, every time that you open the INBOX folder you will
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This question has come up before. With my default pine settings (full
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would have occured to me to turn on 'full headers' in order to find the
information about list contact, unbsubscribe, etc. Is there some way to
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> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?body=unsubscribe%20pine-info>
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> Now you can unsubscribe from the list by yourself.
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*** Nick Birkett (x8289) ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) This question has come up before. With my default pine settings (full
:) headers off), I don't get the 'List-Unsubscribe' line displayed. It never
:) would have occured to me to turn on 'full headers' in order to find the
:) information about list contact, unbsubscribe, etc. Is there some way to
:) make this more obvious to list users? Not that I want to unsubscribe
:) myself, but.....

These special headers are defined in some RFC, whose number escapes to me
at this time. The latest version of Pine supports that RFC, and what that
means is that it also recognizes them and, if any of them are present,
Pine appends a message at the bottom of the original message warning you
about this feature for a message that contains those headers and giving
you the option to subscribe, unsubscribe, request help, etc, by following
internal links.

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you're using pine 3.95, and I don't know if it has the feature that pine
4.33 has where every message that have certain header messages report have
the following note appended to the end of the displayed text message, so
yo don't have to look at the headers

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Nick Birkett (x8289) wrote:

> From: "Nick Birkett (x8289)" <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>
> This question has come up before. With my default pine settings (full
> headers off), I don't get the 'List-Unsubscribe' line displayed. It never
> would have occured to me to turn on 'full headers' in order to find the
> information about list contact, unbsubscribe, etc. Is there some way to
> make this more obvious to list users? Not that I want to unsubscribe
> myself, but.....
>
> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?body=unsubscribe%20pine-info>

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Yeh, I am using that version. Never got around to up-dating our old SUN.
My new machine will have the latest pine on it. Guess I spoke too soon.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, David Dyck wrote:

> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:31:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Dyck <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: unsubscrition
>
>
> you're using pine 3.95, and I don't know if it has the feature that pine
> 4.33 has where every message that have certain header messages report have
> the following note appended to the end of the displayed text message, so
> yo don't have to look at the headers
>
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> how to unsubscribe.
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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Nick Birkett (x8289) wrote:
>
> > From: "Nick Birkett (x8289)" <[email protected]>
> > To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> >
> > This question has come up before. With my default pine settings (full
> > headers off), I don't get the 'List-Unsubscribe' line displayed. It never
> > would have occured to me to turn on 'full headers' in order to find the
> > information about list contact, unbsubscribe, etc. Is there some way to
> > make this more obvious to list users? Not that I want to unsubscribe
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> >
> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?body=unsubscribe%20pine-info>
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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.40. This release introduces some new functionality and
addresses some bugs found in earlier versions.

Specific information can be found in the built-in release notes ("R"
off the Main Menu), and via:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm440w32.zip

As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment
before placing Pine into production use.

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I'm trying to set up a cleanly automated build of c-client and PINE
from different source directories, and I came across the following bug.

$CCLIENTDIR (as used in pine4.33/pine/makefile.*) is not used to
determine the location of header files in #include statements in the
source files themselves. So, for instance, make requires that
$CCLIENTDIR/smtp.h exist to build send.o, but send.c depends upon
"../c-client/smtp.h" in order to actually compile.

In addition to that problem, I must confess some confusion about some
issues in building pine at all - build doesn't pass a target to make in
the pine subdirectory, the makefiles don't have an 'all' target, and
$OFILES depends upon $HFILES but doesn't appear to have any associated
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References:
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Friday, September 14, 2001, 3:28:11 AM, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> On the other hand, Pine4.40 will have that ability, but it's
> not known when that version will be released, though.

:) Just look what I found by looking at the headers:

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Someone lived in the future here ;)

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I have searched the documentation files, along with the Pine Information
Center website.

I cannot get the new version of PC-PIne 4.40 to start because I do not
have all pieces completely in place for a secure connection. I am close,
but as they say, "Close, but not cigar!!"

The error message indicates that I can start PC-PINE 4.40 using the /notls
option. So, which PC-PINE option would that be?

Thanks in advance.

-- Steve Lowe

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Terry --

That did it. Thank you for the quick response.

-- Steve

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Terry Gray wrote:

> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:46:34 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
> From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
> To: Steve Lowe <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Option /notls within PC-Pine 4.40
>
> Steve,
> the /notls would be part of the host specification for the email server;
> e.g. inbox-path = {foo.aurora.edu/notls}inbox
>
> Does that help?
>
> -teg
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Steve Lowe wrote:
>
> >
> > I have searched the documentation files, along with the Pine Information
> > Center website.
> >
> > I cannot get the new version of PC-PIne 4.40 to start because I do not
> > have all pieces completely in place for a secure connection. I am close,
> > but as they say, "Close, but not cigar!!"
> >
> > The error message indicates that I can start PC-PINE 4.40 using the /notls
> > option. So, which PC-PINE option would that be?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -- Steve Lowe
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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I am using the openssl 0.9.6 on a small Digital Unix platform. I updated
by inetd.conf file to include the line for imapds, along with including
imapds 993/tcp in the /etc/services file. The appropriate imapd.pem was
produced.

When I access the system using PC-PINE 4.40, I am prompted on the
certificate. So far, so good. If I trust the certificate, I enter 'Y'.
I can bypass the certificate check with the option /novalidate-cert.

If I modify my pinerc file to bypass the certificate check, I would hazard
a guess that I am still running secure -- I trust the fact that I am
connecting to the correct mail server.

Have I thought through this process correctly?

Thanks in advance.

-- Steve

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On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Administrator wrote:

> I am running a Cyrus IMAP Server and am attempting to run Pine with this
> configuration. My mail is stored in /var/spool/imap/user/NAME. The
> permissions on this directory structure are owned by cyrus, and the
> group is root, but root has no permissions on the directory structure.
> I am successfully using Microsoft Outlook, and a Webmail client to
> connect to read my mail, but I would also like to be able to read my
> mail using pine. It is faithful, and fast. I was unable to connect to
> the imap server until I tried as root. Then I was able to connect to
> any account by using the username and password. Is there a way to
> configure normal users to read mail. Also when I did connect as root to
> the IMAP server every time I wanted to change a directory it would ask
> for my password again. Is there a way to configure pine so that my
> password does not need to be entered in order to perform every command.
> I am running a Debian box and have download the precompiled pine bin
> from the ftp server. Thank you for all your help and time.
>
> Michael Weber
>
>

I've been using Pine and Cyrus IMAPD for years, and never encountered
the problems you mention...

$ pine -v
Pine 4.33 built Sat Mar 31 06:57:36 EST 2001 on porky.devel.redhat.com

Here's some lines from my .pinerc:

inbox-path={imap/ssl}INBOX

folder-collections=Mail/[],
{imap/ssl}INBOX.[]

I can't remenber of ANY uncommon setting, Pine-side.

As I wild guess, I think you're having troubles with SASL. Pine tries
to use the CRAM-MD5 SASL mechanism, if available, and it probably
tries and uses the sasldb file on the server. Depending on the server
configuration, you may get unexpected results. So try and turn that
mech off, maybe just delete (or move away) the pluging (should be
/usr/lib/sasl/libcrammd5.so.* with default paths). MS OutLook uses
PLAIN, AFAIK.

TM.
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Yes, it is still encrypted. If you are connected to the correct host, you
are ok. You don't really know you are connected to the correct host
without the certificate validation.

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On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Steve Lowe wrote:

>
> I am using the openssl 0.9.6 on a small Digital Unix platform. I updated
> by inetd.conf file to include the line for imapds, along with including
> imapds 993/tcp in the /etc/services file. The appropriate imapd.pem was
> produced.
>
> When I access the system using PC-PINE 4.40, I am prompted on the
> certificate. So far, so good. If I trust the certificate, I enter 'Y'.
> I can bypass the certificate check with the option /novalidate-cert.
>
> If I modify my pinerc file to bypass the certificate check, I would hazard
> a guess that I am still running secure -- I trust the fact that I am
> connecting to the correct mail server.
>
> Have I thought through this process correctly?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -- Steve
>
>
>

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I've just installed version 4.40 on my Alpha box runing Tru64 UNIX version
4.0D. Everything appeared to be working fine until went to the folders
command and told it to select all folders with unseen messages. It goes
through all of the folders and then I get the message "Received abort
signal", it dumps core, and exits. Any idea what the problem might be?

================================================================================
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*** Don Newcomer ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I've just installed version 4.40 on my Alpha box runing Tru64 UNIX
:) version 4.0D. Everything appeared to be working fine until went to the
:) folders command and told it to select all folders with unseen messages.
:) It goes through all of the folders and then I get the message "Received
:) abort signal", it dumps core, and exits. Any idea what the problem
:) might be?

Dear Don

I have found the problem to be solved if you apply the patch that you can
find in my web page (address below), look under "bug fixes".

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Thanks, Eduardo. That patch did the trick nicely.

Don

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Don Newcomer ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) I've just installed version 4.40 on my Alpha box runing Tru64 UNIX
> :) version 4.0D. Everything appeared to be working fine until went to the
> :) folders command and told it to select all folders with unseen messages.
> :) It goes through all of the folders and then I get the message "Received
> :) abort signal", it dumps core, and exits. Any idea what the problem
> :) might be?
>
> Dear Don
>
> I have found the problem to be solved if you apply the patch that you can
> find in my web page (address below), look under "bug fixes".
>
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> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
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Hi,

i would like to know if PINE got encrypted folder feature? so that
superuser cannot read the mails under folder

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Why pine 4.40 doens't support maildir.. it should suport maildir,
because maildir it used in almost everyserver in the world, so i think you
should include maildir support in pine.. or give an officeal patch...

Thankyou...

And I hope pine 4.41 will have maildir support ....

Seby...

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I've run into a problem with the version of IMAP that comes with Pine 4.40.
I'm using an Alpha box running Tru64 UNIX version 4.0D. If I use that
version of imapd, I can connect from PC-Pine 4.40 but Outlook 2000 stops
working. Until this is resolved I'm using my old version of imapd. Any
idea what the problem may be?

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http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/whatis.html#2.1.2

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Dr. K. M. Ku wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i would like to know if PINE got encrypted folder feature? so that
> superuser cannot read the mails under folder

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Seby wrote:

> Why pine 4.40 doens't support maildir..

A quick search with google leads to

http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html

The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance
disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that the
files are renamed in order to change their status so you end up having
to rescan the directory frequently the current names (particularly in
a shared mailbox scenario). It doesn't scale, and it represents a
support nightmare; it will therefore never be supported in the
official distribution. Maildir support code for c-client is available
from third parties; but, if you use it, it is entirely at your own
risk (read: don't complain about how poorly it performs or bugs).

( actually I got there via
http://www.courier-mta.org/mbox-vs-maildir/.
where they were they referenced
the earlier url, their conclusion were: ...

The final conclusion is that -- except in some specific instances --
using maildirs will be just as fast -- and in sometimes much faster --
than mbox files, while placing less of a load on the rest of the mail
system. The claims in the UW-IMAP server's documentation regarding
maildir performance can be supported only in certain, specific, very
narrowly-defined conditions. There is no simple answer on which mail
storage format is better. A lot depends on many variables that vary
widely in different situations. Besides the raw benchmarks shown above,
other factors include the mail server software being used, what kind of
storage is being used, and the available network bandwidth. The final
answer depends on all of the above.

Sounds like it may not be an easy answer...

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OK, i undestand that, but let say that some people like pine and
maildir .. so the develepment teem of pine can includ a maildir suport in
pine (or a patch that can be patch on pine if that people like to use pine
withs maildir suport) .. And about performance , maybe that people have a
super computer :)) and they don't wory if the system is a little of 2%
overload than in normal cases.. so i say that pine has to includ maildir
and mailbox suport .. in the same source .. and a user can chose at
compile time which type of maildir want's .. this will be better ...

This is my opinion ..

Seby...

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, David Dyck wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Seby wrote:
>
> > Why pine 4.40 doens't support maildir..
>
> A quick search with google leads to
>
> http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html
>
>
> The Maildir format used by qmail has all of the performance
> disadvantages of mh noted above, with the additional problem that the
> files are renamed in order to change their status so you end up having
> to rescan the directory frequently the current names (particularly in
> a shared mailbox scenario). It doesn't scale, and it represents a
> support nightmare; it will therefore never be supported in the
> official distribution. Maildir support code for c-client is available
> from third parties; but, if you use it, it is entirely at your own
> risk (read: don't complain about how poorly it performs or bugs).
>
> ( actually I got there via
> http://www.courier-mta.org/mbox-vs-maildir/.
> where they were they referenced
> the earlier url, their conclusion were: ...
>
> The final conclusion is that -- except in some specific instances --
> using maildirs will be just as fast -- and in sometimes much faster --
> than mbox files, while placing less of a load on the rest of the mail
> system. The claims in the UW-IMAP server's documentation regarding
> maildir performance can be supported only in certain, specific, very
> narrowly-defined conditions. There is no simple answer on which mail
> storage format is better. A lot depends on many variables that vary
> widely in different situations. Besides the raw benchmarks shown above,
> other factors include the mail server software being used, what kind of
> storage is being used, and the available network bandwidth. The final
> answer depends on all of the above.
>
> Sounds like it may not be an easy answer...
>

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Hello,

I just successfully installed pine 4.40 on my RedHat 7.1 machine. In
comparing it with 4.33, it seems that the SIZE index-format token has
changed in behavior slightly. In 4.33, sizes were presented with commas
separating the numbers at logical places; 4.40 doesn't seem to use commas
at all. Also, the threshold for displaying a size in Kilobytes or bytes
seems to have changed. Here are a few examples:

4.33:
=====
8 + 01.07.18 sender (1,031) subject
9 + 01.08.03 sender (3,258) subject
10 + 01.08.04 sender (11,291) subject
11 + 01.08.27 sender (3,240) subject
=====

versus 4.40:
=====
8 + 01.07.18 sender (1031) subject
9 + 01.08.03 sender (3258) subject
10 + 01.08.04 sender (11K) subject
11 + 01.08.27 sender (3240) subject
=====

Obviously the sender and subject lines have been changed by me, but the
rest is copied straight from the screen. You can see that the 11K message
is displayed in bytes in 4.33, but in K in 4.40. I'm also using a custom
index-format, but I've verified this on the standard index-format, as
well.

I guess I don't mind the change, but I'm wondering if that was intentional
or not, and if it was, what the rationale behind it was. Is it possible
to define the threshold and the display format for the SIZE token? I
looked at the other tokens, but they don't seem to accomplish this,
either.

I can't find this documented in the changelog, and I don't recall seeing
discussion on this list about it, either. If this is old hat, please
point me to the appropriate URL, and I'll be quiet.

TIA,

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*** Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I just successfully installed pine 4.40 on my RedHat 7.1 machine. In
:) comparing it with 4.33, it seems that the SIZE index-format token has
:) changed in behavior slightly. In 4.33, sizes were presented with commas
:) separating the numbers at logical places; 4.40 doesn't seem to use commas
:) at all.

This change is not documented in the release notes, but in the definition
of the token SIZE:

SIZE
This token represents the total size, in bytes, of the message.
If a "K" (Kilobyte) follows the number, the size is approximately
1,000 times that many bytes (rounded to the nearest 1,000). If an
"M" (Megabyte) follows the number, the size is approximately
1,000,000 times that many bytes.

I have no idea why it was changed, though.

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I can't get it to work...

I always get the prompt "Include original message in Reply?" no matter if
I have "include-text-in-reply" set or unset...

And no I don't have "enable-reply-indent-string-editing" set...

Ohh... And my "locally modified" pine uses Chappas all.patch...

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*** Emil Isberg ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) I can't get it to work...
:)
:) I always get the prompt "Include original message in Reply?" no matter if
:) I have "include-text-in-reply" set or unset...
:)
:) And no I don't have "enable-reply-indent-string-editing" set...
:)
:) Ohh... And my "locally modified" pine uses Chappas all.patch...

As you point out, there are normally two variables that affect the
appaearence of the question "include message in reply?", they are the [X]
include-text-in-reply and the [X] enable-reply-indent-string-editing. If
the latter is checked then Pine will ask you the question above.

If you applied the patch "all.patch", there's a third condition which will
make Pine ask you the above question, it is "[X] alternate-reply-menu",
whose idea is to make Pine manually override configuration options (e.g.
strip (or not) the signature automatically).

If you do not want to have Pine ask you that question, then unselect that
option.

The intended behavior is that

a) the option is not enabled by default, so if you did not enable it, and
the option is selected then this is a bug, and

b) if your configurations looks like

[ ] alternate-reply-menu
[ ] enable-reply-indent-string-editing
[X] include-text-in-reply

and you are getting the question, then this is a bug.

If you've found a bug please let me know. Thanks.

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Eduardo,

> This change is not documented in the release notes, but in the definition
> of the token SIZE:
>
> SIZE
> This token represents the total size, in bytes, of the message.
> If a "K" (Kilobyte) follows the number, the size is approximately
> 1,000 times that many bytes (rounded to the nearest 1,000). If an
> "M" (Megabyte) follows the number, the size is approximately
> 1,000,000 times that many bytes.

But that's not really a change from the last documentation, just an
addition. Here's what 4.33 says:

SIZE
This token represents the total size, in bytes, of the message.

So the difference is that it explains what the 'K' and the 'M' next to the
message size means. I'm not sure if 4.33 used the 'M', as I don't
routinely get multi-megabyte messages. However, I know that 4.33 used the
'K' to represent the size in kilobytes, so the documentation above would
be true for 4.33, as well.

The documentation doesn't indicate any sort of a pattern as to the
presentation of the size, just that if you see a 'K', it means Kilobytes.

Again, I'm harping on a pretty small point, but I was used to seeing my
message sizes one way, and they're different now. I can probably
eventually deal with change, but believe it or not, it's throwing me off
right now. Maybe I'm just crazy...

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*** Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) But that's not really a change from the last documentation, just an
:) addition. Here's what 4.33 says:
:)
:) SIZE
:) This token represents the total size, in bytes, of the message.
:)
:) So the difference is that it explains what the 'K' and the 'M' next to the
:) message size means.

I also noticed the difference, I tested pre-releases and noticed the
change a few weeks ago. I thought it was a bug, because there is a new
token called KSIZE, which expresses everything in terms of kilobytes, but
then I went and read the documentation and noticed that the change was
documented, so it was not a bug. I didn't like it either. I hope you can
convince the right people to change it back.

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> I also noticed the difference, I tested pre-releases and noticed the
> change a few weeks ago. I thought it was a bug, because there is a new
> token called KSIZE, which expresses everything in terms of kilobytes, but
> then I went and read the documentation and noticed that the change was
> documented, so it was not a bug. I didn't like it either. I hope you can
> convince the right people to change it back.

I can submit a bug report, but as you say, it's not a bug. Would 'the
right people' be lurking anywhere on this list? If not, what's the best
route to suggest a change?

Joel

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*** Joel Boonstra ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) I can submit a bug report, but as you say, it's not a bug. Would 'the
:) right people' be lurking anywhere on this list? If not, what's the best
:) route to suggest a change?

Yes, the right people are reading the list. By the way, you have my
support, so I guess it makes it two votes :).

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We'll add back a size token which includes commas for 4.41. Thanks.

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Hello, all. I've seen this answered somewhere, but can't find the response
for the life of me.

I'm running pine 4.33 and have enabled bounce-cmd and the aggregate
commands. When I bounce messages, however, they show up as having been
sent by me, not by the original sender. As well, full headers are
appended, including info about me bouncing the message. I would prefer if
these facts were not so.

I recall that this is a problem with sendmail. Could you please tell me
what the issue is? I'm running sendmail 8.11.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE.

Thanks, friends.

Dan Lazin
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Dan Lazin wrote:

> I'm running pine 4.33 and have enabled bounce-cmd and the aggregate
> commands. When I bounce messages, however, they show up as having been
> sent by me, not by the original sender. As well, full headers are
> appended, including info about me bouncing the message. I would prefer if
> these facts were not so.

When I try with 4.33 it does it as pine always has done it. It adds the
following headers, Resent-Date, Resent-From, Resent-To, and
Resent-Subject. If they are shown is a matter for the final recepient.
Have you tried to read the bounced message in pine? You could bounce to
yourself.

> I recall that this is a problem with sendmail. Could you please tell me
> what the issue is? I'm running sendmail 8.11.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE.

I would no think that sendmail in normal configuration would change
anything of it, but sendmail is a Swiss army knife. You could have it
change a lot of things.

Mats

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Thanks, Mat. I've tried again, and bounced a message to myself: sure enough=
,
the full headers, plus the four new bounce headers, show up. This is despit=
e
the fact that I normally only see the standard headers.

But that's not the more important problem: that is that every message I
bounce shows up as being from me, not from the original sender, and they
have no subject line. I've tried this on another server to which I have
access (but which I did not set up), and, as I remembered, bounce worked
predictably. Bounced messages showed up just as they did when I first got
them from the original sender. Furthermore, I only saw the normal headers
(although the extra four headers are available if I decided to view all
headers).

Anyone else have any ideas? I *know* that I saw a message about this a few
days ago, somewhere, but I can't find it. I'm sure that the message said it
was sendmail-related. Sendmail (8.11.1 on FreeBSD 4.2) is set up as it
normally ships with FreeBSD with the one added feature of sending all mail
addressed to nonexistent users to me (instead of returning it to sender).

Dan

> From: Mats Dufberg <[email protected]>
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> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:04:03 +0200 (CEST)
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: bounced messages come from bouncer, not original sender
>=20
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Dan Lazin wrote:
>=20
>> I'm running pine 4.33 and have enabled bounce-cmd and the aggregate
>> commands. When I bounce messages, however, they show up as having been
>> sent by me, not by the original sender. As well, full headers are
>> appended, including info about me bouncing the message. I would prefer i=
f
>> these facts were not so.
>=20
> When I try with 4.33 it does it as pine always has done it. It adds the
> following headers, Resent-Date, Resent-From, Resent-To, and
> Resent-Subject. If they are shown is a matter for the final recepient.
> Have you tried to read the bounced message in pine? You could bounce to
> yourself.
>=20
>> I recall that this is a problem with sendmail. Could you please tell me
>> what the issue is? I'm running sendmail 8.11.1 on FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE.
>=20
> I would no think that sendmail in normal configuration would change
> anything of it, but sendmail is a Swiss army knife. You could have it
> change a lot of things.
>=20
>=20
> Mats
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When reciving any mail like this, pine crashes and core dumps
i don't know much about gdb, but:
GNU gdb 5.0
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are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
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details.
This GDB was configured as "sparc-sun-solaris2.8"...
(gdb) run
Starting program: /export/home/adam/pine4.40/bin/pine
[[[read attached message]]]
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.g
0x160830 in format_size_guess (body=0x518770) at mailview.c:1260
1260 size = format_size_guess(body->nested.msg->body);
(gdb)

Pine 4.4 on Solaris 8 SS10 Built with SSL
SunOS NewWB 5.8 Generic_108528-05 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-10
Pine 4.40 built Mon Sep 24 09:34:19 EDT 2001 on NewWB

Anything would help!
thanks!

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I probably have something set up incorrectly.. or didn't modify
something I needed to before compiling.

But I have both 4.33 and 4.40 running on Mac OS X.

pine 4.33's expunging is essentially instantaneous.

pine 4.40's expunging takes several seconds.

Under both I expunged a message at around ~1400 in out of around 2100 messages,
on an IMAP server. Both tests were done with the same configuration,
right after each other (and I didn't have both copies of pine running at the
same time).

All I did today was download 4.40, change the OPTIMIZE in the pine osx makefile
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

>
> I probably have something set up incorrectly.. or didn't modify
> something I needed to before compiling.
>
> But I have both 4.33 and 4.40 running on Mac OS X.
>
> pine 4.33's expunging is essentially instantaneous.
>
> pine 4.40's expunging takes several seconds.

Hmm... Off the top of my head, do you have filters set? On expunge, pine
4.40 checks filters to see if any messages should get filtered.

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Are there plans to support smtp authentication in pine, if it doesn't already ?
I'm trying to setting up pine to send mail out through an exchange server.

By default :

smtp-server=mail.server.com

this returns :

[Mail not sent: .7.1 Unable to relay for dest-email]

I've seen undocumented suggestions for using the following syntax :

smtp-server=mail.server.com/user=username

I'm not sure where the password would be specified...
but that returns :

[>SMTP Authentication cancelled<]

so I assume its not supported.

thanks,

Alex.

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From: Matt Ackeret <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Expunge taking much longer on 4.40?
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Jeff Franklin wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>> I probably have something set up incorrectly.. or didn't modify
>> something I needed to before compiling.
>>
>> But I have both 4.33 and 4.40 running on Mac OS X.
>>
>> pine 4.33's expunging is essentially instantaneous.
>>
>> pine 4.40's expunging takes several seconds.
>
>Hmm... Off the top of my head, do you have filters set? On expunge, pine
>4.40 checks filters to see if any messages should get filtered.

This appears to be the problem. I did have a filter rule (based upon AllText)
to move messages into a suspected_spam folder.

I was at a Cocoa class last week, so had more than 600 new messages today.

So in my particular case, I could just delete the unneeded rule.

I still think this is a disturbing slowdown however. From effectively
instantaneous to around 7 seconds to expunge, with everything else the same.

My rule was only based upon NEW messages too. Doesn't pine remember to see if
it has touched a particular message before? or does it truly only use the
same new attribute that I see with the N? I would hope it would only
run a rule ONCE upon each particular message. (Or maybe that could be a
new category -- run only once upon arrival in the box)

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More on this...
well, this is comming with SmartList and a script called moderator
(attatched)

Now, sending it to the server mentioned below crashes it
but sending to a server thats identical to it (besides processor) works...
both same cc, libs, os

Thanks!

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Hello,

I convinced a colleague to live Lookout for pine ...
good starting point.
but, he would like to have access to all the folders (not
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I tried to create new folders via Setup->CollectionLists
but once created the folders are empty ...

anyone can help me ?

thanks and best regards/Bertrand

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hi,

just wondering if PGP/MIME support is planned for Pine, or
alternatively to set display filters for a MIME part based on type?

PGP interoperability with mutt and kmail users is slightly
difficult, unfortunately. (has to be done by hand, and i can't verify
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regards,

Paul Jakma.

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i want pine to automatically forward all incoming email to another email
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On Sep 25, 2001 at 17:18, [email protected] wrote:

>i want pine to automatically forward all incoming email to another email
>account.

Make a .forward file in your home directory, with the 2nd email
address in it.

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*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) i want pine to automatically forward all incoming email to another email
:) account.

You can not do that with Pine. Use other tools, like a ".forward" file
(where you would enter the e-mail address where you want e-mails to be
forwarded). Pine does not know anything about a ".forward" file, by the
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Paul Jakma wrote:

>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:19:14 +0100 (IST)
>From: Paul Jakma <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>Subject: PGP/MIME
>
>hi,
>
>just wondering if PGP/MIME support is planned for Pine, or
>alternatively to set display filters for a MIME part based on type?
>
>PGP interoperability with mutt and kmail users is slightly
>difficult, unfortunately. (has to be done by hand, and i can't verify
>sigs).

PINE's display filters as you say are the way to go. I believe
the PINE FAQ states encryption software will never be included in
PINE directly.

Red Hat Linux PINE ships with pgp/gpg support by default, so if
you're using our distro, your PINE is already ready for GPG/PGP.

Hope this helps,
TTYL

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Tuesday, September 25, 2001, 8:18:16 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> i want pine to automatically forward all
> incoming email to another email account.

Well just type something like pico .forward
when the typing screen appears type the address
you want to forward to in there. If you want to
keep a copy of the message in the current account
just type your e-mail address on the first line
and the one you want to forward to on the second.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2001, 9:19:14 PM, Paul Jakma wrote:

> just wondering if PGP/MIME support is planned
> for Pine, or alternatively to set display
> filters for a MIME part based on type?

Why do you need PGP/MIME support anyway ? To
encrypt/sign/decrypt use Pine's pgp/gpg support.
More on this should be found in Pine's docs, or
you could ask the gpg discussion list members.

G'luck!

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[ preface: I have checked the FAQ and list archives for this, and found
nothing. Please point me to the appropriate URLs if this question has
already been answered ]

I've got a pretty extensive address book, and it comes up a lot of times
that I'll try to use more than one nickname to identify a person. That
is, if I know someone named 'john', but I also call them 'jack' sometimes,
it's equally likely that I'll enter either 'john' or 'jack' in my To: line
when composing a new message. Ideally, my address book would recognize
either as being the intended recipient, and fill in the approprite
address.

The only way that I currently know of to accomplish this would be to
create a separate addressbook entry for each nickname that I'd want to
use. The obvious problem is that data can now become out-of-synch. If
John's address changes, and I change the 'jack' entry, but forget about
the 'john' entry, I'll have two different email addresses stored for him.

The ideal solution in my mind would be to allow a comma-separated list of
nicknames to be specified when creating a new addressbook entry. I see by
trial-and-error that commas aren't allowed in the nickname field. Does
this mean that they will be used for something soon? Or is there another
reason for the restriction?

In any case, would this feature be feasible? To simplify, perhaps there
could be a nickname (used as a primary key, of sorts) and then a list of
alternate nicknames. All sorting and such would be done on the primary
nickname. Poking around in the code, it seems that this would be a pretty
major change.

Have others run into this as well?

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Hi,

I have been using pine for a while now, and finally having the time to get
serious I have started looking at some automation to keep better records.

What I want to do is auto-save all message (well most a !postmaster would
be good), into a folder for the sender. For instance if I sent myself one
it would go into auto-save/stewart.james or similar. And then I would love
to get the auto archiver to go through the entire autosave folder and
archive each mail folder (stewart.james-MON-YEAR).

Has anyone done anything like this within pine(under linux) 4.40?

Has anyone managed to mangle a more advanced archiving system? for
instance to be able to have a structure such as:

Mail/
Archives/
Security-Alerts/
current (links 2 current month)
2001/
Jan
Feb
Sent-Mail/
current
2001/
Jan/
Feb/
Incoming/ (An extention on the above auto-save mentioned)
Sender1/
current
2001/
Jan
Feb
Sender2/
current
2001/
Jan
Feb
I know at first glance it appears to be a complicated mess, but look at it
a couple of times, its a structure that would make personal archiving of
large amounts of mail simple. It's worth noting the extra level I place in
the "Incoming" tree. Under this system finding an email sent in Jan 2001
would be easy and as you nail down to the folder the screen would not look
cluttered as each year would only have maximum of 12 folders. The sent
mail structure could be expanded to make use of a structure like incoming
mail to mail it easier to locate email sent to someone.

Adding this sort of funtionality would be a serious undertaking, but it
would definately be a "feature" that would probably get used by anyone who
has a large amount oif email to deal with.

If anyone has a solution for my first part of my message I would love to
here.

Cheers,

Stewart James

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*** Stewart James ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on...:

:) What I want to do is auto-save all message (well most a !postmaster would
:) be good), into a folder for the sender.

If you want to save upon arrival, you need to set up a filter. Press M S R
F, and when you get to that screen press "?" for help and "A" to add one.
If you want to save into different folders upon quitting Pine, you can't
do that, although it's very useful. The only way to do it is by using a
patch that I wrote, which among other things does this. The patch is
called "define your own rules..." and can be obtained from my web page
(address below).

:) For instance if I sent myself one it would go into
:) auto-save/stewart.james or similar. And then I would love to get the
:) auto archiver to go through the entire autosave folder and archive each
:) mail folder (stewart.james-MON-YEAR).

You need to filter into something that is not an incoming folder and add
the name of the folders that you want to prune into the "pruned-folders"
configuration option.

:) Has anyone managed to mangle a more advanced archiving system? for
:) instance to be able to have a structure such as:

I usually keep all my incoming folders in a hidden directory parallel to
mail/, then I enter their definitions one by one in the incoming folders
section, so it looks like a bunch of folders and does not emphasize that
they live in a common directory. I also keep directories for people, as
opposed to folders, that is to say I keep a directory for "MadameX", where
I keep the folders, "sent-mail" and "saved-messages" for "MadameX", I also
have different structures for saved mail from mailing lists. Probably my
folder structure is more chaotic than yours, and the way I keep it is by
using the patch I mentioned before, which saves me *A LOT* of time.

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Hello,

I have 2 email accounts in 2 different IMAP
servers.
I would like pine to be able to swap from one account to
the other but it seems that this does not work (I tried
with the folders feature).
is it true or is there any trick to do it (except launching
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thanks

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*** Bertrand PEREZ (REE) ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) I have 2 email accounts in 2 different IMAP servers. I would like pine
:) to be able to swap from one account to the other but it seems that this
:) does not work (I tried with the folders feature). is it true or is
:) there any trick to do it (except launching 2 separate pine sessions) ?

Hello Bertrand,

You can add the folders as incoming-folders. Press M S C and
[X] enable-incoming-folders, quit pine and restart it. Press L to go to
the folder-collection screen and put the cursor over INBOX, once there
press "A". Enter the following information:

name.imap.server/user=yourid

Pine will ask you after this for the folder to enter. In this case enter

/full/path/to/folder

finally Pine will ask you for a nick. This is the name of the folder as
you will see it. Enter anything you like. That should do it. Salu2.

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We're running Pine 4.33 on Solaris 2.6. A user is randomly getting a "bus
error" when opening Pine. Then once he gets in and tries to jump to the
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Nothing in the Pine archives on this. Is it a known error?

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I'm updating this

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#MAPI>

and noticed that pmapi32.zip is not where it used to be. Is this
still part of the PC-Pine package? If so, can you tell me where
it is?

Thanks,
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One way to do this is to have a primary entry for john, with all of the
data. Then add another address book entry with nickname jack. The only
data for jack is that the address is john. You don't fill in the Fullname
or anything else in the jack entry. Now if you use jack, it will be the
same as if you used john.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Joel Boonstra wrote:

> [...]
> I've got a pretty extensive address book, and it comes up a lot of times
> that I'll try to use more than one nickname to identify a person. That
> is, if I know someone named 'john', but I also call them 'jack' sometimes,
> it's equally likely that I'll enter either 'john' or 'jack' in my To: line
> when composing a new message. Ideally, my address book would recognize
> either as being the intended recipient, and fill in the approprite
> address.
> [...]

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Susan,

I have noticed this when compiling LDAP support into pine 4.40 on Solaris
8 using openldap. My quick solution was to leave out the LDAP support,
which seems to have fixed it.

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On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Nancy McGough wrote:

> I'm updating this
>
> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#MAPI>
>
> and noticed that pmapi32.zip is not where it used to be. Is this
> still part of the PC-Pine package? If so, can you tell me where
> it is?

Thanks for catching that. It's back up now.

Jeff

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First off I would like to thank Mr. Chappa for his recent help, I ran into
trouble with the "Create your own rules patch" and he was kind enough to
take my bug report seriously and also fix the problem in only a really
short time.

Now back to my problem. Assuming others may have had the same idea and I
think I have made the mistake of linking /dev/clue to /dev/null I though I
would continue hassling the list ;)

My last email probably was not as clear as it could have been and of
course now I am trying to implement things my explanation may become a tad
clearer.

What I would like is a rule on incoming folders(I use IMAP), on all
messages not seen by pine before to SAVE (copy not move) to a folder for
each sender. sender1 into sender1 sender2 into sender2, issues:

* I can probably get something like this work if I lobbed all messages
into the one folder, however, I would like a seperate folder for each
sender.

* I do not want to move the messages on exit as I may have already done an
expunge during the session, and I would like to copy..not move.

* Finally I do not want to have to setup a rule for each person I
correspond some form of *vu.edu.au would be great. I hope that makes
sense.

I get the feeling that I may not be able to achieve this with pine in it's
current incarnation, or maybe there is someway to do it that I am just not
seeing. As I said right now I feel as if /dev/clue is linked against
/dev/null and any assistance is really appreciated.

Thanks again to Mr. Chappa and to others in the list that alwasy seem to
have \the answers.

Stewart

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Ok here's a dumb question.. and not knowing the answer probably means
I shouldn't be trying to play around with security stuff I don't really
"get"

I thought I could just turn it on in a config file, then I got:
make: *** No rule to make target `../c-client/c-client.a', needed by `pine'. Stop.

From:
* TLS and SSL support
+ TLS is fully supported in sources
+ SSL is fully integrated in the source, due to changes in US
export regulations

"integrated" makes me think that that means that I don't have to download/
compile something else.

but I think I really need to build/install OpenSSL, right? (I saw reference
to OpenSSL in a makefile.) Is any of this already installed in Mac OSX/Darwin?
(I looked for some sub-/usr item mentioned in a makefile and it doesn't
exist.)

What is TLS anyway/where do I find out about it?

And even more importantly -- doesn't the IMAP server I connect to have to
support SSL/TLS too? How do I find out if my server(s) support this?

And what are:
Authenticators:
CRAM-MD5
PLAIN
LOGIN
???

Sorry, a bunch of REALLY basic questions. I guess I've been glad that
it built "out of the box" on OSX! (Since I was able to get previous
versions working just by compiling them..)

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*** Stewart James ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on...:

:) What I would like is a rule on incoming folders(I use IMAP), on all
:) messages not seen by pine before to SAVE (copy not move) to a folder for
:) each sender. sender1 into sender1 sender2 into sender2, issues:

You can do that with the patch you downloaded, just make sure that you
set:

[X] auto-move-read-msgs
[X] auto-move-read-msgs-using-rules
[X] expunge-only-manually
[ ] expunge-without-confirm

and define the read-message-folder also. That will copy all messages into
their respective folders as defined by the rules. The only thing that will
happen is that next time you open pine you will see all these messages
marked as deleted, but you can easily get rid of that by using the ";"
command.

:) * I do not want to move the messages on exit as I may have already done an
:) expunge during the session, and I would like to copy..not move.

The patch will move only messages that are not deleted and that have been
read.

:) * Finally I do not want to have to setup a rule for each person I
:) correspond some form of *vu.edu.au would be great. I hope that makes
:) sense.

The patch is very flexible, contact me if you want tips on how to set
these things up.

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Often when I reply from pine running under Unix to a user under Windows
(whose original message to me came through as a collection of files,
including HTML, put together by Eudora or Outlook in many cases), all they
receive back from me is their original message. Yet my sent-mail folder
contains exactly what I thought I sent -- their message indented and >'d,
with my reply interspersed. Obviously one of us has a wrongly configured
system, but which?

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I've just added a section to my Power Pine page about Pine
registry settings. The section is at either of these URLs:

Primary: http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#registry
Backup: http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#registry

And here's what it says...

----
12. Checking Registry Settings

Starting with version 4.30???, PC-Pine enters some data in the
MS Windows registry. To check your Pine-related settings, click
on the Windows Start button, choose Run, and type:

\full\path\to\pine.exe -registry dump

If you used an earlier version of PC-Pine (4.30, 4.31, 4.32,
4.33), it is possible (actually likely) that the registry
contains the settings for your old version of PC-Pine. If your
Pine registry settings are not correct for your current version
of PC-Pine, clear them by running this:

\full\path\to\pine.exe -registry clear

The next time you run PC-Pine, it will reset the registry with
the correct settings for the PC-Pine you are currently using.
----

My questions are:

* Was it 4.30 that started using the registry?

* The fact that Pine uses old registry settings seems like a bug
to me -- does anyone else see this? I think that what I did to
produce this bug was use Windows Explorer to rename my old Pine
directory and maybe Windows Explorer and the Registry were
talking to each other and the Registry modified the Pine
paths??? Does anyone else see incorrect settings when you run
`pine -registry dump'?

* Any suggestions for what I should say or pages I can link to in
this section of my page are welcome!

Thanks,
Nancy

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From: Rick Lewis <[email protected]>
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I've tried running Pine 4.40 with one of my config files, and it aborts,
yet earlier versions don't do the core dump.
I've tried it on two different systems and two different versions of
FreeBSD.
What seems to hang it up is the initial-keystrokes entry:
initial-keystroke-list=l,
;,
p,
u,
z

Configs without that entry, and this config after the entry has been
cleared, work fine.
I don't know if this happens on non-FreeBSD systems.
--Rick

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Since we've announced 10.1, I guess I can mention this here.. I
am not sure if it's a pine bug or an OSX bug, but it doesn't happen
under similar circumstances on this personal acct (which is running Solaris
I think).. But I mean version #s of pine/links are the same. Yes, I realize
that's largely irrelevant..

So in pine, I have links set up to be my web browser..

If I go view a link from a mail message, then quit links, pine crashes
with:

Date/Time: 2001-09-27 18:21:54 -0700
OS Version: 10.1 (Build 5G64)

Command: pine
PID: 428

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000

Thread 0:
#0 0x00000000 in 0x0
#1 0x7000f81c in _sigtramp
#2 0x70006af0 in nanosleep
#3 0x7000be90 in closedir

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x00000000 srr1: 0x4000d030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x0000000b lr: 0x7000f81c ctr: 0x00000000 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0xbfffe110 r2: 0x8000053d r3: 0x00000014
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0xbfffe398 r6: 0x00000000 r7: 0xbfffe4c8
r8: 0x00000000 r9: 0x0000003e r10: 0x00000000 r11: 0x80003414
r12: 0x00000000 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000036 r15: 0xbfffee58
r16: 0xbfffee70 r17: 0x00000001 r18: 0x0035ae88 r19: 0x00001007
r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x0000001c r22: 0x70004bc4 r23: 0x70004c58
r24: 0x00000001 r25: 0x000006eb r26: 0x8081ab5c r27: 0x0004d040
r28: 0x00000000 r29: 0xbfffef00 r30: 0x8081d1cc r31: 0x00000001

**********

So as a vague question where would I even start figuring out where this is?
(BTW, still happens with pine 4.40)

Are they just calling closedir(nil)?

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*** Rick Lewis ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I've tried running Pine 4.40 with one of my config files, and it aborts,
:) yet earlier versions don't do the core dump.

As a principle no program should ever abort, for me a program that aborts
has a bug.

:) I've tried it on two different systems and two different versions of
:) FreeBSD.
:) What seems to hang it up is the initial-keystrokes entry:
:) initial-keystroke-list=l,
:) ;,
:) p,
:) u,
:) z
:)

Someone reported this bug before, I do not recall where though. I have a
patch for it in my web page. Look under bug fixes.

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On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> PINE's display filters as you say are the way to go. I believe
> the PINE FAQ states encryption software will never be included in
> PINE directly.

i accept that..

however, how do i verify a signed multipart PGP/MIME encrypted email?

in fact, how do i use a display filter on a MIME part in general?

the support isn't there.

>
> Red Hat Linux PINE ships with pgp/gpg support by default, so if
> you're using our distro, your PINE is already ready for GPG/PGP.

i've got pgp4pine setup, works great. but i can't use it as a filter
for PGP/MIME parts, cause, afaict, there is no way to set display
filters for mime parts in pine.

>
> Hope this helps,
> TTYL
>

--paulj

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

> Why do you need PGP/MIME support anyway ?

[snip]

> To
> encrypt/sign/decrypt use Pine's pgp/gpg support.

what would that be? if you mean display filters, yep, i have pgp4pine
working fine.

however, that still leaves PGP/MIME. why do i want support for it, or
more generically, ability to use display filters for mime parts.

why PGP/MIME? cause more and more mailers are using it. eg mutt,
kmail, that gnome GUI mail client, etc. and cause it's the now RFC
mandated way to use PGP with email.

> More on this should be found in Pine's docs, or
> you could ask the gpg discussion list members.

it's a pine problem unfortunately, afaict - need display filters for
MIME.

> G'luck!
>
> --
> E-mail returned to sender -- insufficient voltage.
> ___________________________________________________
> ------------ Output from gpg ------------
> gpg: Signature made Wed 26 Sep 2001 04:37:40 PM IST using DSA key ID 3DEEB7ED
> gpg: Good signature from "Silviu Cojocaru <[email protected]>"
> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!

tsk tsk...

:)

> gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
> gpg: Fingerprint: 51A0 D288 DD40 BE63 AEB4 06F0 F160 4636 3DEE B7ED

--paulj

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Saturday, September 29, 2001 at 12:10:50 AM ,
Paul Jakma wrote about "PGP/MIME":

> why PGP/MIME? cause more and more mailers are using it. eg
> mutt, kmail, that gnome GUI mail client, etc. and cause it's
> the now RFC mandated way to use PGP with email.

Damn I've been off Linux for a long time :(

Well, I see the mailers of Windows world, and they don't really
support PGP/MIME. Well Eudora does have some support but it's
rather buggy. Other use PGP/GPG plug-ins and support S/MIME, but
they do it very well... well at least my mailer does :)

>> ------------ Output from gpg ------------
>> gpg: Signature made Wed 26 Sep 2001 04:37:40 PM IST using DSA key ID 3DEEB7ED
>> gpg: Good signature from "Silviu Cojocaru <[email protected]>"
>> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
>
> tsk tsk...
>
> :)

Well sign my key :P Pay me a ticket from Bucharest to where you
live so we can exchange keys face to face :)))

- --
Klingon error: Strike any other user to continue.
______________________________________________________
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32)
Comment: Member of the PGP-Basics, Encryption Help Team

iD8DBQE7tjo28WBGNj3ut+0RAtJMAKCLHjn/8elDvfnoWjqXh5ySWBSbTwCgmz/D
8NNBXaJSg6b3dDd26VM02YU=
=e5QR
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

> Damn I've been off Linux for a long time :(
>
> Well, I see the mailers of Windows world, and they don't really
> support PGP/MIME. Well Eudora does have some support but it's
> rather buggy. Other use PGP/GPG plug-ins and support S/MIME, but
> they do it very well... well at least my mailer does :)

there are indeed a good few plugins to windows MUA's and even MTA's
(eg Lotus Notes) to provide PGP support.

we use PGP a /lot/ here for business purposes to trade files securely
with partners. however, we're often plagued by incompatibilities. :(
the fact that even mutt and pine can not interoperate transparently
wrt to PGP is sad.

MIME display filter support would be so nice. (but that still leaves
PGP/MIME signature support.)

> Well sign my key :P Pay me a ticket from Bucharest to where you
> live so we can exchange keys face to face :)))

i've signed your key and uploaded to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net. even if we
met face to face i still could not say for certain that you were the
rightful owner of the key.

however, on the basis that you are a regular poster to this forum,
i've signed your key, still no web of trust between us though. :)

> gpg: Good signature from "Silviu Cojocaru <[email protected]>"
> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
> gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
> gpg: Fingerprint: 51A0 D288 DD40 BE63 AEB4 06F0 F160 4636 3DEE B7ED

--paulj

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From: Silviu Cojocaru <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: PGP/MIME
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Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 7:16:42 PM ,
Paul Jakma wrote about "PGP/MIME":

> i've signed your key and uploaded to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net. even if we
> met face to face i still could not say for certain that you were the
> rightful owner of the key.

Sure we could. You show me your passport and I'll show mine,
we'll need some training with customs' workers though ;)

> however, on the basis that you are a regular poster to this forum,
> i've signed your key, still no web of trust between us though. :)

Ok, thanks :)

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"Nothing is foolproof, because fools are so ingenius."
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