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Hi,

I recently opened pine and discovered that all the message that had been
in my inbox before my lastest fetchmail had the subject/date/sender
missing from the index menu. The subject/date/sender instead are now in
the top portion of the message when I view the messages. Has anyone run
into this before and if so know how to fix it? I searched deja and they
had a thread about it from 4.05 but nothing since then. The link is:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=subject+disappear&hl=en&group=comp.mail.pine&safe=off&rnum=1&ic=1&selm=7e5fqp%24its%241%40camel21.mindspring.com

Any info on this issue whether how to fix my message or how to avoid it
in the future would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Hello,

I am working on pine4.33/imap2000, and I want to include krb5 support. I
want to know what principal the included support is set to use. For
example, the kerberos 4 patch for older pine versions uses
imap.hostname@realm... Does the new version use the same, or would it use
something like host.hostname@realm..?

perhaps someone could also tell me where in the source code this
information lives?

thanks for your help.

chris

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Hey,

I've been using pine for some years, but had only been
filtering to folders since 4.21 (now using 4.33L2). I've a
hierarchy of a subject & folders beneath each for different lists
I'm on. Such as Subject: Puter; Sub-folders: BSD, Linux, Nix, &
some of these sub-folders have folders within them.

The trouble is, when I'm reading mail in one of the sub-folders
& a new mail comes in for anything within that subject, pine
beeps & flashes a message that whatever sub-folder doesn't exist &
asks if it should be created. If I'm reading a message in say,
Puter/Linux/List & something for Puter/BSD/something comes in &
that message comes up, I press y, I get this created in
Puter/Linux/List (where I am):

Puter/Linux/List/Puter/BSD/something

instead of the mail being filtered to Puter/BSD/something.

What have I set up incorrectly that pine would do this, & how
do I get it to filter properly no matter where I happen to be in
pine?

Meph

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(Oops sorry... god I hate those javascript forms in lynx)

Are there no developers on this list? Maybe they could give some feedback
about e.g. creating an option 'allow-changing-sender'? This sender-thing is
obviously a problem, and I think it's rather easy to solve (just deleting a line
of code, allowing it to be changed with a custom header, is already a great
help... and if they put that line between some ifdef-tags, admins can always
disallow it to be changed)...

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From: Cameron Palmer <[email protected]>
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Subject: Pine 4.33 + LDAP Compile Problems
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I cannot get ./build slx or any other variation to build with or without
openLDAP. The compile chokes because it can't locate c-client.a. Which
isn't there. My system is running Slackware v8.0 2.4.5 kernel...

snippit of the compile:

> ./build slx

make args are CC=cc

Including LDAP functionality
Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
make CC=cc slx
make build EXTRACFLAGS='' EXTRALDFLAGS='' EXTRADRIVERS='mbox'
EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS='' SPECIALAUTHENTICATORS='' PASSWDTYPE=std
EXTRASPECIALS='' OS=slx
make[1]: Entering directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap'
Building c-client for slx...
echo GSSDIR=/usr/local > c-client/SPECIALS
cd c-client;make slx EXTRACFLAGS=''\
EXTRALDFLAGS=''\
EXTRADRIVERS='mbox'\
EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS=''\
SPECIALAUTHENTICATORS=''\
PASSWDTYPE=std\
GSSDIR=/usr/local
make[2]: Entering directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
You are building for libc6/glibc versions of Secure Linux
If you want libc5 versions you must use sl5 instead!
If you want libc4 versions you must use sl4 instead!
make build EXTRACFLAGS='' EXTRALDFLAGS='' EXTRADRIVERS='mbox'
EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS='' PASSWDTYPE=std SPECIALAUTHENTICATORS='' `cat
SPECIALS` OS=slx \
SIGTYPE=psx CHECKPW=psx CRXTYPE=nfs \
SPOOLDIR=/var/spool \
ACTIVEFILE=/var/lib/news/active \
RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh \
BASECFLAGS="-g -fno-omit-frame-pointer -O6" \
BASELDFLAGS="-lcrypt"
make[3]: Entering directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
sh -c 'rm -rf auths.c crexcl.c flockbsd.c linkage.[ch] siglocal.c
osdep*.[ch] *.o ARCHIVE *FLAGS *TYPE c-client.a || true'
Once-only environment setup...
echo cc > CCTYPE
echo -g -fno-omit-frame-pointer -O6 '' > CFLAGS
echo -DCREATEPROTO=unixproto -DEMPTYPROTO=unixproto \
-DMAILSPOOL=\"/var/spool/mail\" \
-DANONYMOUSHOME=\"/var/spool/mail/anonymous\" \
-DACTIVEFILE=\"/var/lib/news/active\" -DNEWSSPOOL=\"/var/spool/news\" \
-DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" -DLOCKPGM=\"/etc/mlock\" > OSCFLAGS
echo -lcrypt > LDFLAGS
echo "ar rc c-client.a mail.o misc.o newsrc.o smanager.o osdep.o utf8.o
siglocal.o dummy.o pseudo.o netmsg.o flstring.o fdstring.o rfc822.o nntp.o
smtp.o imap4r1.o pop3.o unix.o mbox.o mbx.o mmdf.o tenex.o mtx.o news.o
phile.o mh.o mx.o;ranlib c-client.a" > ARCHIVE
/drivers mbox imap nntp pop3 mh mx mbx tenex mtx mmdf unix news phile
dummy
/mkauths md5 log
make[4]: Entering directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
echo -DMD5ENABLE=\"/etc/cram-md5.pwd\" >> OSCFLAGS
make[4]: Leaving directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
ln -s os_slx.h osdep.h
ln -s os_slx.c osdepbas.c
ln -s log_std.c osdeplog.c
ln -s sig_psx.c siglocal.c
ln -s crx_nfs.c crexcl.c
sh -c '(test -f /usr/include/sys/statvfs.h -a slx != sc5 -a slx != sco) &&
ln -s flocksun.c flockbsd.c || ln -s flocksv4.c flockbsd.c'
ln -s ckp_psx.c osdepckp.c
cat osdepbas.c osdepckp.c osdeplog.c > osdep.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` mail.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` misc.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` newsrc.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` smanager.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` `cat OSCFLAGS` -c osdep.c
In file included from osdep.c:42:
env_unix.c: In function `do_date':
env_unix.c:296: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without
a cast
env_unix.c:297: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:297: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:298: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:299: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a
cast
env_unix.c:301: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:301: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:309: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:312: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:316: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:316: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:316: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:317: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:317: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
env_unix.c:317: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
In file included from osdep.c:46:
tz_sv4.c: In function `rfc822_timezone':
tz_sv4.c:30: `tzname' undeclared (first use in this function)
tz_sv4.c:30: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
tz_sv4.c:30: for each function it appears in.)
tz_sv4.c:30: `daylight' undeclared (first use
tz_sv4.c:30: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c: In function `checkpw':
osdep.c:81: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a
cast
osdep.c:82: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:82: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:83: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:84: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
osdep.c:86: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:86: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
osdep.c:94: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
make[3]: *** [osdep.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
make[2]: *** [slx] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
make[1]: *** [OSTYPE] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/diskiii/pine_ldap/pine4.33/imap'
make: *** [slx] Error 2

Making Pico and Pilot
make CC=cc -f makefile.lnx
make: Nothing to be done for `all'.

Making Pine.
make CC=cc LDAPLIBS=../ldap/libraries/libldap.a
./ldap/libraries/liblber.a LDAPCFLAGS=-DENABLE_LDAP -I../ldap/include -f
makefile.lnx
make: *** No rule to make target `../c-client/c-client.a', needed by
`pine'. Stop.

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
size: bin/mtest: No such file or directory
size: bin/imapd: No such file or directory
text data bss dec hex filename
191219 5144 2620 198983 30947 bin/pico
189203 5016 2652 196871 30107 bin/pilot
Done

Thank you in advance,
cameron.

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In <http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html> I read:

An mbx format mailbox can be created by prefixing the desired name with
"#driver.mbx/". For example, if you want an mbx format mailbox called
"test", create "#driver.mbx/test". The "#driver.mbx/" prefix is used
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I've tried to create such a mailbox both with pine 4.21 and 4.30 but pine
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Hi!

I'm trying to change the Content-type of an email sent from
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_RECIPIENTS_ and _MIMETYPE_.

The problem is that everytime that I change the _MIMETYPE_ to
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Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="----4928B7D1C220F1D22E19A1AE71B967E3"

Pine send the mail with his default value:

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Anybody knows why this happend?

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Cameron,

> I cannot get ./build slx or any other variation to build with or without
> openLDAP. The compile chokes because it can't locate c-client.a. Which
> isn't there. My system is running Slackware v8.0 2.4.5 kernel...

It seems you are running a newer version of gcc which is more standards
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http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html )

In any event, you can pick up SRPMS for pine4.33 from redhat and it compiles
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The fixes to pine will be included in the next release of pine.

Regards,
Ed

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Thank you very much. Iwill try it and report back the results.

cameron.

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Cameron,
>
> > I cannot get ./build slx or any other variation to build with or without
> > openLDAP. The compile chokes because it can't locate c-client.a. Which
> > isn't there. My system is running Slackware v8.0 2.4.5 kernel...
>
> It seems you are running a newer version of gcc which is more standards
> compliant than earlier versions. It causes programs like pine to not
> compile....but it isn't the fault of gcc. (see
> http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html )
>
> In any event, you can pick up SRPMS for pine4.33 from redhat and it compiles
> just fine.
>
> The fixes to pine will be included in the next release of pine.
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
>

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Hi All,

Does anybody have a binary of pine4.33 for Sun (SPARC) 5.8 with the
cpapbility of sending mails with attachement in
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If so, I'd appreciate if you could mail me the binary.

thanx in advance
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I'd posted this on the 6th, but I've not seen it, so I'm
posting again.

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Subject: Filter trouble

Hey,

I've been using pine for some years, but had only been
filtering to folders since 4.21 (now using 4.33L2). I've a
hierarchy of a subject & folders beneath each for different lists
I'm on. Such as Subject: Puter; Sub-folders: BSD, Linux, Nix, &
some of these sub-folders have folders within them.

The trouble is, when I'm reading mail in one of the sub-folders
& a new mail comes in for anything within a subject, pine beeps &
flashes a message that whatever sub-folder doesn't exist & asks
if it should be created. If I'm reading a message in say,
Puter/Linux/List & something for Puter/BSD/something comes in &
that message comes up, I press y, I get this created in
Puter/Linux/List (where I am):

Puter/Linux/List/Puter/BSD/something

instead of the mail being filtered to Puter/BSD/something.

What have I set up incorrectly that pine would do this, & how
do I get it to filter properly no matter where I happen to be in
pine?

Meph

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> The trouble is, when I'm reading mail in one of the sub-folders
>& a new mail comes in for anything within a subject, pine beeps &
>flashes a message that whatever sub-folder doesn't exist & asks
>if it should be created. If I'm reading a message in say,
>Puter/Linux/List & something for Puter/BSD/something comes in &
>that message comes up, I press y, I get this created in
>Puter/Linux/List (where I am):
>
>Puter/Linux/List/Puter/BSD/something
>
>instead of the mail being filtered to Puter/BSD/something.
>
> What have I set up incorrectly that pine would do this, & how
>do I get it to filter properly no matter where I happen to be in
>pine?

Maybe you should specify full location for these filders in sorting
filters. I had such problem few months ago, but not now anymore.
Unfortunatelly, I don't remember what I did in this case. I also don't
know that using "incoming folders" can affect this behaviour.

Regards,
Murphy

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*** Andres Plaza R. ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Jul 8, 2001:

:) The problem is that everytime that I change the _MIMETYPE_ to
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:)
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:)
:) Pine send the mail with his default value:
:)
:) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I think this is because you can only change the mime-type of a message to
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*** Mats Dufberg ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Jul...:

:) In <http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html> I read:
:)
:) An mbx format mailbox can be created by prefixing the desired name with
:) "#driver.mbx/". For example, if you want an mbx format mailbox called
:) "test", create "#driver.mbx/test". The "#driver.mbx/" prefix is used
:) only when creating the mailbox; to open it, just use "test".
:)
:) I've tried to create such a mailbox both with pine 4.21 and 4.30 but pine
:) does not recognize it. Could anyone describe in more details how this is
:) done?

I tried to follow the directions here. I went to the folders-collection,
pressed "A", and wrote the text above. I was succesful only when I gave
the path relative to $HOME, so in my case I had to write something like:

#driver.mbx/mail/test

since the suggested instruction you found created the folder in
$HOME/test. Also, when I added the folder as specified above I received a
message stating that the folder had been created outside the collection
and the collection folder list was not updated, I think this is a bug,
since the folder "test" was actually located in the collection that I was
trying to add it to. Only when I updated the list I saw the folder added.

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> I tried to follow the directions here. I went to the folders-collection,
> pressed "A", and wrote the text above. I was succesful only when I gave
> the path relative to $HOME, so in my case I had to write something like:
>=20
> #driver.mbx/mail/test

Ah, that was the trick! What a kludge!

> since the suggested instruction you found created the folder in
> $HOME/test. Also, when I added the folder as specified above I received a
> message stating that the folder had been created outside the collection
> and the collection folder list was not updated, I think this is a bug,
> since the folder "test" was actually located in the collection that I was
> trying to add it to. Only when I updated the list I saw the folder added.

Does that mean that you have to do that each time your want to create a
folder in the MBX format? I hope that the pine team has thought of a
configuration solution in the cf-file...

Have you used the MBX format? Have you seen any problems?

Looking at the new file, there are only two differences in the format:

1. A 2k binary header header is preprended the mail file.
2. The mail delimitor is different.

The two differences are of no problem if one wants to convert back to
traditional unix mailbox format.=20

Am I right?

Mats

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*** Mats Dufberg ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Does that mean that you have to do that each time your want to create a
:) folder in the MBX format? I hope that the pine team has thought of a
:) configuration solution in the cf-file...

Actually you can make pine create files in any format you like, if you
always want to have pine create folders in the mbx format you should edit
the pine4.XX/imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile file and change

CREATEPROTO=unixproto

to

CREATEPROTO=mbxproto

:) Have you used the MBX format? Have you seen any problems?

Yes I have, and have never had any problems. Notice however that you
should never edit a folder in mbx format, or it will be corrupted when you
save it. If you plan to edit it, you should use a binary editor, like
emacs.

:) Looking at the new file, there are only two differences in the format:
:)
:) 1. A 2k binary header header is preprended the mail file.
:) 2. The mail delimitor is different.
:)
:) The two differences are of no problem if one wants to convert back to
:) traditional unix mailbox format.
:)
:) Am I right?

Right, I've never had any problems moving back to unix format. The extra
detail contained in the headers is the binary size of the message (the
number of characters until the next delimiter header, including \n, etc).

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Actually you can make pine create files in any format you like, if you
> always want to have pine create folders in the mbx format you should edit
> the pine4.XX/imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile file and change
>=20
> CREATEPROTO=3Dunixproto
>=20
> to
>=20
> CREATEPROTO=3Dmbxproto

That means that there is no cf-file option that will do the same? I always
like to convert in small steps...

I just converted my INBOX too. There the file had to be ~/INBOX (magic
#driver.mbx/INBOX) and not ~/mail/INBOX (magic #driver.mbx/mail/INBOX). I
would have prefered the latter...

> Yes I have, and have never had any problems. Notice however that you
> should never edit a folder in mbx format, or it will be corrupted when yo=
u
> save it. If you plan to edit it, you should use a binary editor, like
> emacs.

Yes, but the format still allows you to do grep. :-)

> Right, I've never had any problems moving back to unix format. The extra
> detail contained in the headers is the binary size of the message (the
> number of characters until the next delimiter header, including \n, etc).

That is good to know even if you never want to go back. :-)

> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

You've got some useful stuff there. :-)

Mats

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*** Mats Dufberg ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) That means that there is no cf-file option that will do the same? I always
:) like to convert in small steps...
:)
:) I just converted my INBOX too. There the file had to be ~/INBOX (magic
:) #driver.mbx/INBOX) and not ~/mail/INBOX (magic #driver.mbx/mail/INBOX). I
:) would have prefered the latter...

You should be careful here, are you using a tool like dmail to deliver
mail to your inbox. I think that if you don't you run into the dabger of
corrupting your inbox. Get dmail from the
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/imap.utils.tar.Z and untar/compile in
the Pine4.33 directory.

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> :) I just converted my INBOX too. There the file had to be ~/INBOX (magic
> :) #driver.mbx/INBOX) and not ~/mail/INBOX (magic #driver.mbx/mail/INBOX)=
=2E I
> :) would have prefered the latter...
>=20
> You should be careful here, are you using a tool like dmail to deliver
> mail to your inbox. I think that if you don't you run into the dabger of
> corrupting your inbox. Get dmail from the
> ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/imap.utils.tar.Z and untar/compile in
> the Pine4.33 directory.

Isn't pine capable of doing the conversion? I haven't changed the deliver
process. All mail is still delivers to /var/mail/*. Pine does the
conversion for me and puts the mail into the new INBOX.

From=20<http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html>:

A user can have their INBOX in mbx format as well, by creating
"#driver.mbx/INBOX". Mail will be automatically moved from the mail
spool to the mbx format INBOX whenever Pine or an IMAP/POP server is
run.

(I don't have any IMAP running.)

Mats

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*** Mats Dufberg ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:)
:) > You should be careful here, are you using a tool like dmail to
:) > deliver mail to your inbox. I think that if you don't you run into
:) > the dabger of corrupting your inbox. Get dmail from the
:) > ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/imap.utils.tar.Z and untar/compile
:) > in the Pine4.33 directory.
:)
:) Isn't pine capable of doing the conversion? I haven't changed the
:) deliver process. All mail is still delivers to /var/mail/*. Pine does
:) the conversion for me and puts the mail into the new INBOX.

No, Pine will only *read* folders, Pine does not do delivering of
messages. I use procmail to deliver to other incoming folders in mbx
format (those that I share with other people). I see, however, that you
are not having any problem, so maybe you can ignore this. In case you need
dmail, the way I use it is to deliver messages through a recipe in
procmail, as follows:

:0 -c
* ^Sender:.*[email protected]
|/full/path/to/dmail +.inc-fld/imap-list.mbx

If you need to send it to the INBOX, change "+.inc-fld/imap-list.mbx" by
your login name.

:) >From <http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html>:
:)
:) A user can have their INBOX in mbx format as well, by creating
:) "#driver.mbx/INBOX". Mail will be automatically moved from the mail
:) spool to the mbx format INBOX whenever Pine or an IMAP/POP server is
:) run.
:)
:) (I don't have any IMAP running.)

You don't need any imap running in order to use mbox format, you just need
the c-client library compiled and programs compiled with it in order to
read/write those folders. I have never tried to see if Pine would convert
automatically part of a folder from unix to mbx, if the folder was in the
mbx format and the delivering tool, delivered in unix format. That would
be nice, but I haven't tried it.

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OK. Tried the Redhat SRPM. Doesn't compile either. Even after applying
the patches. I did download the pine binary from redhat and after sorting
out the dependencies I got pine to start and it has LDAP configuration
options. But whenever I try to do a search in the LDAP address book it
either gives the results and then exits pine or it just exits pine. I
have a feeling that this wouldn't be happening if I could just get pine to
compile properly.

cameron.

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Cameron,
>
> > I cannot get ./build slx or any other variation to build with or without
> > openLDAP. The compile chokes because it can't locate c-client.a. Which
> > isn't there. My system is running Slackware v8.0 2.4.5 kernel...
>
> It seems you are running a newer version of gcc which is more standards
> compliant than earlier versions. It causes programs like pine to not
> compile....but it isn't the fault of gcc. (see
> http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html )
>
> In any event, you can pick up SRPMS for pine4.33 from redhat and it compiles
> just fine.
>
> The fixes to pine will be included in the next release of pine.
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
>

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> No, Pine will only *read* folders, Pine does not do delivering of
> messages. I use procmail to deliver to other incoming folders in mbx
> format (those that I share with other people). I see, however, that you
> are not having any problem, so maybe you can ignore this.

I didn't mean that pine was doing the delivery. It is done by
/usr/libexec/mail.local. The mail is delivered to /var/mail/dufberg. The
only thing I did was to create ~/INBOX in MBX format, and now pine moves
all incoming mail from /var/mail/dufberg to ~/INBOX just as it says in
<http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html#11.2>.

> In case you need
> dmail, the way I use it is to deliver messages through a recipe in
> procmail, as follows:
>=20
> :0 -c
> * ^Sender:.*[email protected]
> |/full/path/to/dmail +.inc-fld/imap-list.mbx

That is good to know!

> If you need to send it to the INBOX, change "+.inc-fld/imap-list.mbx" by
> your login name.

That could move the INBOX from ~ to ~/mail.

> I have never tried to see if Pine would convert
> automatically part of a folder from unix to mbx, if the folder was in the
> mbx format and the delivering tool, delivered in unix format. That would
> be nice, but I haven't tried it.

It seems to work well. :-)

Mats

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*** Mats Dufberg ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I didn't mean that pine was doing the delivery. It is done by
:) /usr/libexec/mail.local. The mail is delivered to /var/mail/dufberg.
:) The only thing I did was to create ~/INBOX in MBX format, and now pine
:) moves all incoming mail from /var/mail/dufberg to ~/INBOX just as it
:) says in <http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html#11.2>.

Ok, so if it's Pine moving the mail, then you won't have any problems.

:) > In case you need dmail, the way I use it is to deliver messages
:) > through a recipe in procmail, as follows:
:) >
:) > :0 -c
:) > * ^Sender:.*[email protected]
:) > |/full/path/to/dmail +.inc-fld/imap-list.mbx
:)
:) That is good to know!
:)
:) > If you need to send it to the INBOX, change "+.inc-fld/imap-list.mbx" by
:) > your login name.
:)
:) That could move the INBOX from ~ to ~/mail.

If you just write your login name (dufberg), dmail will put the mail in
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Cameron,

> OK. Tried the Redhat SRPM. Doesn't compile either. Even after applying
> the patches. I did download the pine binary from redhat and after sorting
> out the dependencies I got pine to start and it has LDAP configuration
> options. But whenever I try to do a search in the LDAP address book it
> either gives the results and then exits pine or it just exits pine. I
> have a feeling that this wouldn't be happening if I could just get pine to
> compile properly.

Hummmm.... are the compile failures the same as before? I ask this since the
original failures you reported were the same as what I got until I used the
SRPM's from RH.

BTW, I run RH 7.1

Ed

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Cameron Palmer wrote:

>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
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>
>OK. Tried the Redhat SRPM. Doesn't compile either. Even after applying
>the patches. I did download the pine binary from redhat and after sorting
>out the dependencies I got pine to start and it has LDAP configuration
>options. But whenever I try to do a search in the LDAP address book it
>either gives the results and then exits pine or it just exits pine. I
>have a feeling that this wouldn't be happening if I could just get pine to
>compile properly.

What OS / distribution are you using? And what compiler, glibc
are you using? PINE compiles and works fine from our RPM's in
Red Hat Linux 5.2, 6.2, 7.*. Of course you have to read the spec
and set the Build_# define for the release you are using first..

It should work similarly on Mandrake, and other similar RPM based
distros also.

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Hello,

I do understand why flat file formats (such as unix and mbx) do not
support mailboxes and subfolders with the same name out of the box.
Though, I wonder if this limit can be overcome with a certain mechnism.

Currently the "need" arrived as some users moved their locally storred
Netscape mail folders (aka "unix" format) onto the Imap server in order to
use it simultaneously (hence the mbx format -- BTW: The mbxcvt tool
works like charm!). The problem arouse that the Netscape Messenger
supports to have both at the same place by mangling the name: Subfolders
get the extension ".sbd", mailboxes get none. Though, when displaying the
structure the .sbd extension is suppressed.

Reading about mailboxdir() and mailboxfile() in CONFIG of imap-2001
suggests that one could implement the same with UW-imap, too?
E.g.: mailboxfile() always appends the extension .MBX or something like
this.

However, as that would involve that I rename all user's mailboxes, there
might be a more generic way:
+ mailboxfile() first tries to find a regular file without the MBX
extension, on failure it appends it.
+ when IMAP is to create a new mailbox, the FAQ mentions that the complete
path is created. When doing so a new directory is to be created, but
fails, because a mailbox of the same name is already present, the mailbox
is automagically renamed into *.MBX and, then, the directory can be
created.

Alternatively, one could add a certain extension to all non-existent path
components with mailboxfile() or mailboxdir().

I suppose I'm not the first one, who has this (or a compareble) idea. Are
there some experiences about it or patches for it?

Bye,

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cameron.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Cameron Palmer wrote:
>
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Cameron Palmer <[email protected]>
> >To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> >Subject: RE: Pine 4.33 + LDAP Compile Problems
> >
> >OK. Tried the Redhat SRPM. Doesn't compile either. Even after applying
> >the patches. I did download the pine binary from redhat and after sorting
> >out the dependencies I got pine to start and it has LDAP configuration
> >options. But whenever I try to do a search in the LDAP address book it
> >either gives the results and then exits pine or it just exits pine. I
> >have a feeling that this wouldn't be happening if I could just get pine to
> >compile properly.
>
> What OS / distribution are you using? And what compiler, glibc
> are you using? PINE compiles and works fine from our RPM's in
> Red Hat Linux 5.2, 6.2, 7.*. Of course you have to read the spec
> and set the Build_# define for the release you are using first..
>
> It should work similarly on Mandrake, and other similar RPM based
> distros also.
>
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Sam exact compile problems as before. Essentially c-client.a has problems
compiling.

cameron.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Cameron,
>
> > OK. Tried the Redhat SRPM. Doesn't compile either. Even after applying
> > the patches. I did download the pine binary from redhat and after sorting
> > out the dependencies I got pine to start and it has LDAP configuration
> > options. But whenever I try to do a search in the LDAP address book it
> > either gives the results and then exits pine or it just exits pine. I
> > have a feeling that this wouldn't be happening if I could just get pine to
> > compile properly.
>
> Hummmm.... are the compile failures the same as before? I ask this since the
> original failures you reported were the same as what I got until I used the
> SRPM's from RH.
>
> BTW, I run RH 7.1
>
> Ed
>
>

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Cameron,

> Sam exact compile problems as before. Essentially c-client.a has problems
> compiling.

Yes.... That is due to the combination of factors. As I said, I had the same
problem with the original source. Getting the patched version from RH cured
my problems. I think you may have to delve into the questions asked by Mike
Harris. Or, you could wait until the next release of pine...which will have
the code updated.

Ed

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Cameron Palmer wrote:

>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:58:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Cameron Palmer <[email protected]>
>To: Mike A. Harris <[email protected]>
>Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>Subject: RE: Pine 4.33 + LDAP Compile Problems
>
>Slackware 8
>glibc 2.2.3
>gcc 2.95.3

Hmm. It could possibly be a gcc 2.95 problem, but I couldn't say
for sure. We've never shipped gcc 2.95 before for various
reasons so I can't say for certain.

Our PINE rpm builds ok with gcc2.96-RH, as well as egcs2.91.66,
gcc 2.7.2.3, and various others.. Perhaps it is failing for you
due to missing dependancies or broken dependancies?

What specific errors are you getting? If you can cut'n'paste
them into the email, or attach them it might help shed some
light.

TTYL

>cameron.
>On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Cameron Palmer wrote:
>>
>> >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
>> >From: Cameron Palmer <[email protected]>
>> >To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>> >Subject: RE: Pine 4.33 + LDAP Compile Problems
>> >
>> >OK. Tried the Redhat SRPM. Doesn't compile either. Even after applying
>> >the patches. I did download the pine binary from redhat and after sorting
>> >out the dependencies I got pine to start and it has LDAP configuration
>> >options. But whenever I try to do a search in the LDAP address book it
>> >either gives the results and then exits pine or it just exits pine. I
>> >have a feeling that this wouldn't be happening if I could just get pine to
>> >compile properly.
>>
>> What OS / distribution are you using? And what compiler, glibc
>> are you using? PINE compiles and works fine from our RPM's in
>> Red Hat Linux 5.2, 6.2, 7.*. Of course you have to read the spec
>> and set the Build_# define for the release you are using first..
>>
>> It should work similarly on Mandrake, and other similar RPM based
>> distros also.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Mike A. Harris Shipping/mailing address:
>> OS Systems Engineer 190 Pittsburgh Ave., Sault Ste. Marie,
>> Red Hat Inc. Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3
>> http://www.redhat.com Phone: (705)949-2136
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Latest XFree86 test RPMS: ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing
>>
>>
>

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Some 20 months ago, I asked the question appended at the end of this
message about the interaction of reverse color selections and index
color selections. There was no reply. Now I have done something
about it by changing the code myself.

In the existing pine code, the paint_index_line() function in
pine/mailindx.c itself implements the policy that index lines with
color always get the colors reversed for the "current" index line.
Instead, I added a new function pico_apply_rev_color() into
pico/pico_os.c where the status of coloration is kept, and I call that
function from paint_index_line(). The new function might be useful in
other places, too.

The new pico_apply_rev_color() function implements the following
policy:

* Apply the appropriate reverse color transformation to the given
* color pair and return a new color pair. The transformation depends
* upon several factors:
* - if reverse is not a color, then just swap the color pair.
* - if the normal background color is the same as the reverse background
* color (presumably with different foreground colors), and the reverse
* foreground color is different from both the given colors, then
* change the foreground color to the reverse foreground color.
* - if the normal foreground color is the same as the reverse foreground
* color (presumably with different background colors), and the reverse
* background color is different from both the given colors, then
* change the background color to the reverse background color.
* - otherwise, just swap the color pair.

Following the principle of least surprise, the new function has the
same behavior as the existing code when reverse color has the default
setting or when the reverse color changes both the foreground and
background colors. But when reverse color is selected such that the
transformation from normal color is to change only the foreground
color or only the background color, this new function will apply that
same transformation to colored index lines rather than forcing the
default reverse behavior of swapping the index colors. As a safety
measure, if that transformation would cause the foreground and
background colors to be the same (making the text disappear), then the
old behavior of just reversing the index coloring is applied.

So, this new code doesn't require any changes to the methods for
configuring colors and should minimize the probability of surprise to
users (except pleasant surprise for anyone out there who shares my
preferences). It works both for people who use different background
index colors and who want the foreground color to change for "current"
as well as those who use different foreground index colors and want
the background color to change for "current".

Therefore, I would hope that the Pine development team might accept
this code change for incorporation into the real code base so I could
get the same behavior in PC-Pine (since users can't compile it). I
don't know all the ins and outs of pine construction, so I may not
have done everything the way it needs to be or in all the places it
needs to be, but I did add my new code into pico/osdep/unix so it gets
properly built into pico/pico_os.c.

The 3-file, 18-code-line patch to pine 4.33 is attached.

-- Steve

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Stephen Casner wrote:

> The colors in 4.21 are a nice feature, but I have not been able to
> figure out if it can do exactly what I want. In past versions, I have
> used black text on white background for the normal text color and blue
> text on white background for the "reverse" color because I prefer that
> to actually reversing the video.
>
> The same coloration carried over to 4.21 until I set some index-line
> colors. I wanted selected messages to change to black text on yellow
> background, as if highlighted with a marker. However, when the cursor
> is on one of those messages, Pine ignores my "reverse" color setting
> and inverts that line (yellow text on black background). What I
> wanted was blue text on yellow background.
>
> Is there a way to configure the behavior I want? Perhaps what's
> needed is a way to specify "transparent" for the background on the
> "reverse" color as an indication that just the foreground color should
> be substituted.
> -- Steve

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I'm using pine 4.32 on Linux and when some of my co-workers send me mail with
attachments from Outlook, I can't save the last attachment. After
comparing good messages to bad, I've found the offending problem.

The problem seems to be that on the last attachment, Outlook is making this
final phrase like this:

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1007B.0B95AB20--)

Where pine wants to see this:

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1007B.0B95AB20--

The last attachment = the single attachment of a single-attachment email, or
the last attachment of a multiple-attachment email.

Right now I have to save each message to a temporary file, edit out the ) and
then I can go back into pine to save the attachment.

I can't seem to find any information about this problem in either the archives
or a search on google.. Can anybody help me with further information on this?
Obviously I've got a workaround, but I really figured someone would already
know about this and have considered a workaround within pine. (Because I
doubt we'll get MS to release a patch.. etc. etc)

Thanks in advance!
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Maxwell Spangler wrote:

> The problem seems to be that on the last attachment, Outlook is making th=
is
> final phrase like this:
>=20
> ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1007B.0B95AB20--)

Which is illegal, since the final delimiter must be suffixed byt '--'.

> Where pine wants to see this:
>=20
> ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C1007B.0B95AB20--

Reasonable.

> Obviously I've got a workaround, but I really figured someone would alrea=
dy
> know about this and have considered a workaround within pine. (Because I
> doubt we'll get MS to release a patch.. etc. etc)

Well, since it is a clear bug, they should... If you save the mail in an
ordinary unix mailbox file, you could remove the character in error.

Mats

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Hello,

does anyone know if future versions of pine support starttls smtp
connections, or if anyone is writing a patch?

if not, I think it would be an interesting project to work on...

thanks

chris

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We have a capability something like this in the imap we run here at
Packet Design. The directories get an extension ".$bf" forced onto
their real names but stripped for presentation via extra code in
osdep/unix/mbx.c.
-- Steve

Van Jacobson added it here about one year ago into imap-4.7c and
offered back the changes but they were not accepted. He plans to
merge them into the current imap for our use, and you could have them
then.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Steffen Kaiser wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I do understand why flat file formats (such as unix and mbx) do not
> support mailboxes and subfolders with the same name out of the box.
> Though, I wonder if this limit can be overcome with a certain mechnism.
>
> Currently the "need" arrived as some users moved their locally storred
> Netscape mail folders (aka "unix" format) onto the Imap server in order to
> use it simultaneously (hence the mbx format -- BTW: The mbxcvt tool
> works like charm!). The problem arouse that the Netscape Messenger
> supports to have both at the same place by mangling the name: Subfolders
> get the extension ".sbd", mailboxes get none. Though, when displaying the
> structure the .sbd extension is suppressed.
>
> Reading about mailboxdir() and mailboxfile() in CONFIG of imap-2001
> suggests that one could implement the same with UW-imap, too?
> E.g.: mailboxfile() always appends the extension .MBX or something like
> this.
>
> However, as that would involve that I rename all user's mailboxes, there
> might be a more generic way:
> + mailboxfile() first tries to find a regular file without the MBX
> extension, on failure it appends it.
> + when IMAP is to create a new mailbox, the FAQ mentions that the complete
> path is created. When doing so a new directory is to be created, but
> fails, because a mailbox of the same name is already present, the mailbox
> is automagically renamed into *.MBX and, then, the directory can be
> created.
>
> Alternatively, one could add a certain extension to all non-existent path
> components with mailboxfile() or mailboxdir().
>
> I suppose I'm not the first one, who has this (or a compareble) idea. Are
> there some experiences about it or patches for it?
>
> Bye,
>
>
> --
>
> Steffen Kaiser

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Hello,

I set my PINE to recieve POP3 mails, but how do I delete POP3 mails from
the server and save them onto my local hard drive?

I searched google, mailing lists...but I could not find any answer.

Thanks

juno

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Hey,

Just a thought.

Normally, when your system beeps, you hear that through the
internal speaker, right? Well, on my 'puter, the only beeps
I normally hear are pine telling me that there's new mail by a
beep through my sound speakers instead of through the system
speaker.

Is this normal, or is pine using some wav file instead? If
this is a wav file, anyone know where it is & what its named?

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Hello.

Looking through the documentation and sources, there doesn't appear to be
a way to let Pine use a file or special password from the .pinerc for
the CRAM-MD5 shared secret; the user is prompted.
Basically, I'd like to let the user either give a CRAM-MD5 shared secret
("password") either in a file or a .pinerc setting and not have it
ask the user for a password.
Am I missing something? Does someone have a patch to do this? If no
to both of those, would this be an interesting feature to add (i.e.,
should I send a patch to this list)? Are there any gotchas I should
watch out for?
Thanks!

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As far as the latest release is concerned, it doesn't look like there is
the possibility to do anything else than deleting or moving a message in
the filter section of the code.
It would be nice to add the capability of changing the status of a message
in the filter section of roles in pine...

Does anybody know about a patch which does it already? If not, i'd love to
take care of it.

Luca.

Thanks for any feed-back.

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*** Luca Heltai ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on...:

:) As far as the latest release is concerned, it doesn't look like there is
:) the possibility to do anything else than deleting or moving a message in
:) the filter section of the code.
:) It would be nice to add the capability of changing the status of a message
:) in the filter section of roles in pine...

Pine 4.40 will do what you are asking for :)

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> End-user questions about Pine should be directed to the newsgroup
> comp.mail.pine rather than the mailing list.

I'm afraid I'm only a prospective Pine end-user, but I don't usually
do news grous, and when I tried to access comp.mail.pine I had a
program conflict. I don't know how to straighten out. It's because of
such complications that I'm trying to get a program like Pine
working.

After trying to upgrade my Internet functions from DOS to Windows, or
Linux, several times, I've decided I like to keep life simpler than
that. I generally don't like GUIs.

I find Linux much more difficult than DOS. I thought if I could get
simple Linux programs working for email and web, I could learn the
rest at my own speed. Since Debian Linux doesn't include Pine, I
downloaded it, or thought I did. I set it to the task and went to
bed, not knowing how long it would take. **It didn't give a
destination directory or filename, so, using Locate, I wasn't able to
find it in Linux, if it's there. If so, where might it be?** I doubt
it's there, because I went back and tried the beginning of the DL
again to see if I'd missed some information (I hadn't), and it didn't
ask me if I wanted to overwrite. Possibly there was a connection
difficulty before it finished downloading.

So I thought I'd try Pine (and Lynx) for DOS. I think because of
some confusion on the Pine web site, I ended up with Pine for Windows
95, so I'm trying it out first.

As I read install.txt I'm not so sure any version of Pine is going to
work as I want on my system. The apparent assumption that I'm in a
"department/university/institution" is incorrect. This is a private,
dialup system connecting to a local ISP. I don't have a "4-section
number appropriate for" my computer, nor a domain name. Can I still
get a Pine to work here?

Further, I only have one phone line and much prefer to read and write
off-line, only going online for a minute or two at a time. I see no
mention of this possibility, or the definite lack of it, on your web
site or documentation. The design of your site seems to suggest that
one should do all work online. Will it be possible/practical to
exchange messages between my computer and my ISP, and save them
locally? (This would also be good for a friend, who is repeatedly
over her quota of file space on the ISP.)

If this isn't possible, maybe someone should put this information up
front on the web site, and maybe aim to eliminate these deficiencies?

If someone's into making major changes in Pine and Pico, I have more
suggestions (free), toward a somewhat revolutionary program.

Dan Robinson [email protected]
Eugene OR 97401 http://www.efn.org/~danrob/

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Hey,

OK. Well, I guess no one here knows why I should get my new
mail notification through my sound card & speakers instead of
through the system speaker. Not that I'd rather the beep ~was~
through the system speaker, but it's got me thinking.

What in pine (or pico, as one of the tech notes said pico does
the checking) sends the signal to the system speaker when it
finds new mail? Is the file handling this editable in a text
editor (I'm not a coder, so while I can often read the stuff, I
can't write it & don't have any "special" programming apps).

I mean, that beep is rather monotonous, after all. As there's
no config setting which allows one to fool with audible choices,
maybe there's a technical way.

Can anyone shed some light for me?

Meph

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I got tired of seeing a lock error messages whenever my
imap-accessible abook was accessed by more than one pine so I
decided to change the abook folder format from unix mbox to
c-client mbx because mbx format is supposed to be good at sharing
access.

The first thing I tried was to just convert my existing
imap-abook to imap-abook.mbx by selecting the messages and saving
them using the #driver.mbx trick. I could access the folder as a
regular folder but when I tried to access it as an abook, the
Pine abook screen displayed

Un-readable

and could not open it.

I then tried to create the abook from the Pine abook screen by
specifying #driver.mbx/Msgs/Configs/imap-abook.mbx in the Folder
line but got these type of error messages:

Error: "CREATE failed: Can't create mailbo...". Can't fetch remote addrbook.

Error opening/creating address book
{my.imap.server/user=ii}Configs/imap-abook.mbx

Before I mess around with this any more, I am wondering if it is
even possible to have a pine remote imap-accessible abook in mbx
format?

Thanks,
^X,
Nancy

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I would like to deploy Pine here, but one of the things that's
unacceptable to the people here is the behavior of the program not
responding to user input while pine is downloading mail. It makes the
program appear to freeze up. I've seen this on different computers and
different platforms. Is there a way around this?

Sincerely,
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Does anyone know of a wait to "refresh" the list of mail in the Inbox
index?? Once you read, save, delete, move etc... can you refresh the list
without closing Pine and reopening?? I am using PC-Pine version 4.33 with
IMAP access to Mircosoft Exchange 5.5

Thanks

William R. Van Kuyk
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Under linux I use CTRL-L to refresh the screen and check for new mail,
which seems to also sync my view with that of the server.

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Stewart James

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, William R. Van Kuyk wrote:

> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:23:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
> From: William R. Van Kuyk <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Refreshing the "index List"
>
> Does anyone know of a wait to "refresh" the list of mail in the Inbox
> index?? Once you read, save, delete, move etc... can you refresh the list
> without closing Pine and reopening?? I am using PC-Pine version 4.33 with
> IMAP access to Mircosoft Exchange 5.5
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> William R. Van Kuyk
> Network Engineer
> Department of Operations
> mailto:[email protected]
>
> Internet Commerce Corporation
> 45 Research Way - Suite 206
> East Setauket, NY 11733
> 631-590-1010 x5104
>
>

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Marc DVer wrote:

> I would like to deploy Pine here, but one of the things that's
> unacceptable to the people here is the behavior of the program not
> responding to user input while pine is downloading mail. It makes the
> program appear to freeze up. I've seen this on different computers and
> different platforms. Is there a way around this?

Yes. You could deploy something like Outlook. There will be no confusion
on the part of the end-user. When Outlook "appears" to be frozen it will
*really* be frozen.

Outlook (sometimes referred to as LookOut!) also has the interesting
feature of not always quitting when you exit. It sometimes sits around
lost in the background. It makes it impossible to start it again (unless
you know to kill it with task manager).

Sorry, for the rant. Just having another ExcedrinMS day. :-)

Ed

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, William R. Van Kuyk wrote:

>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:23:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
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>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>
>Does anyone know of a wait to "refresh" the list of mail in the Inbox
>index?? Once you read, save, delete, move etc... can you refresh the list
>without closing Pine and reopening?? I am using PC-Pine version 4.33 with
>IMAP access to Mircosoft Exchange 5.5

In any folder, go to the bottom and press down-arrow. This
triggers pine to check the folder.

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Marc DVer wrote:

>I would like to deploy Pine here, but one of the things that's
>unacceptable to the people here is the behavior of the program not
>responding to user input while pine is downloading mail. It makes the
>program appear to freeze up. I've seen this on different computers and
>different platforms. Is there a way around this?

Use PINE for mail *reading* then, and use fetchmail for
downloading mail. This works fine unless you're using IMAP with
remote directories. fetchmail will download mail only, with the
option of also leaving mail on server.

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On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> >Does anyone know of a wait to "refresh" the list of mail in the Inbox
> >index?? Once you read, save, delete, move etc... can you refresh the list
> >without closing Pine and reopening?? I am using PC-Pine version 4.33 with
> >IMAP access to Mircosoft Exchange 5.5
>
> In any folder, go to the bottom and press down-arrow. This
> triggers pine to check the folder.

Triggering an eXpunge will do it too.

-Ian

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I am trying to use the following from the command line:

pine name@domain <c:\pine\template\one.tmp

This launches an email send OK, but the file one.tmp does not appear.

DOS will not run if the path\file is invalid, so that is OK.

Does this template have to be in a special (undocumented) format?

I have looked through the web FAQs and there is not one mention of
command line options!

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On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 at 20:54:37, you wrote:
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>I am trying to use the following from the command line:
>
>pine name@domain <c:\pine\template\one.tmp
>
>This launches an email send OK, but the file one.tmp does not appear.
>
>DOS will not run if the path\file is invalid, so that is OK.
>
>Does this template have to be in a special (undocumented) format?
>
>I have looked through the web FAQs and there is not one mention of
>command line options!
>
Ah sorry. I have just noticed the report of a bug in the pipe command
- sorry.
Any date for a solution?

I can't use pine without this (8-(#
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 [email protected] wrote:
>I got tired of seeing a lock error messages whenever my
>imap-accessible abook was accessed by more than one pine so I
>decided to change the abook folder format from unix mbox to
>c-client mbx because mbx format is supposed to be good at sharing
>access.

Doesn't
[ ] quell-lock-failure-warnings

do what you want?

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Hello,

can someone explain me the use of the ZOOM mode while you
are viewing the list of folders ?

Thanks

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I read somewhere that there was an proto for pine 4.4,
where can I pick this one (if available) for window$ platform?
is there any vision of a deliverry date for 4.4 ?

Regards/Bertrand

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Hello there,

I had created several filters to automatically store emails
in different folders depending on their sources and some other
attributes.
My problem is that when several mails are in my inbox and
that pine applies several filters on them (I mean : several
mails will be moved to different folders), there is no way for
me to be informed of how many (and overall WHERE) mails have
been moved (only a message is printed saying which is the last
one and what was its destination).

Is there any way to know what is the list of local folders where
new mails have been moved (without having to go one after the other) ?

Thanks for your help

Regards/Bertrand

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Yeah, sure, on your main screen, press "j" (Journal) and you will see a log
printout of just how many e-mails were moved to which folder.

Greetings
Ralph

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Bertrand PEREZ wrote:

> Hello there,
>
> I had created several filters to automatically store emails
> in different folders depending on their sources and some other
> attributes.
> My problem is that when several mails are in my inbox and
> that pine applies several filters on them (I mean : several
> mails will be moved to different folders), there is no way for
> me to be informed of how many (and overall WHERE) mails have
> been moved (only a message is printed saying which is the last
> one and what was its destination).
>
> Is there any way to know what is the list of local folders where
> new mails have been moved (without having to go one after the other) ?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Regards/Bertrand
>
>

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Hi everyone -

I'm playing around with setting up a global address book for our UNIX
system. I want to set one up with all the addresses on the system, so that
the To: field will expand - so if I type in "jbaxter", I'll get Jeff
Baxter <[email protected]>. I got that working fine.

At the same time, I don't want the global address book to show up in my
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spam) all the users on the system.

Is there any way to not display a given addressbook in the address book
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I would obviously prefer a solution using Pine's configuration files, but
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Jeff Baxter
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*** Bertrand PEREZ ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) My problem is that when several mails are in my inbox and that pine
:) applies several filters on them (I mean : several mails will be moved
:) to different folders), there is no way for me to be informed of how
:) many (and overall WHERE) mails have been moved (only a message is
:) printed saying which is the last one and what was its destination).
:)
:) Is there any way to know what is the list of local folders where new
:) mails have been moved (without having to go one after the other) ?

Dear Bertrand

There's a patch that I wrote which will tell you which folders have new
mail, you canj pick the patch from my web site whose address is below.

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*** Bertrand PEREZ ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) can someone explain me the use of the ZOOM mode while you
:) are viewing the list of folders ?

Select a couple of folders by pressing ":" or some other way, then press
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Hello,

Is there a way to tell pine to save journal entries to a file,
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thanks
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Hello,

is there any way that in the format of the journal,
the date (day and time) should be reflected for each operation ?

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*** Bertrand PEREZ ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) is there any way that in the format of the journal,
:) the date (day and time) should be reflected for each operation ?

That's one of the functions of the debug files. The debug files contain
information on the executed commands, although not necessarily the
messages sent to the screen by Pine. Does that work for you?

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Hi all. I'm wondering whether I can create a filter like this one:

From:/To: !mycompany.com
move to folder Junk.

The reason for this filter is that I only receive email from people in my
company and I get a lot of spam that I just want to move to a junk folder.

I don't think it's possible to create NOT filter, or is it? Thanks!

Anton.

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Anton,

You can, indirectly, using setscores and a filter. The idea is to use
setscores to give wanted emails a high score (say, 100) and filter out
anything with a low score (-INF,99). Another advantage is that you can
add email addresses for friends as well as other trusted emails.

jared

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> Hi all. I'm wondering whether I can create a filter like this one:
>
> From:/To: !mycompany.com
> move to folder Junk.
>
> The reason for this filter is that I only receive email from people in my
> company and I get a lot of spam that I just want to move to a junk folder.
>
> I don't think it's possible to create NOT filter, or is it? Thanks!
>
> Anton.
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On 2001-07-23 at 11:44 -0700, Anton wrote:

=BB Hi all. I'm wondering whether I can create a filter like this one:
=BB
=BB From:/To: !mycompany.com
=BB move to folder Junk.
=BB
=BB The reason for this filter is that I only receive email from people i=
n my
=BB company and I get a lot of spam that I just want to move to a junk fo=
lder.
=BB
=BB I don't think it's possible to create NOT filter, or is it? Thanks!

Well, you can do that using procmail; should be easy.

mohit

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*** Anton ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) From:/To: !mycompany.com
:) move to folder Junk.

Create a score rule that will give an score, say of 10, to any message
from your company, and create a filter that filters all messages whose
score is less than 10 (or just 0) to the folder junk.

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I know that pipe from DOS doesn't work in 4.33.

What is the next previous version where it works?
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Is there a procedure for requesting a new feature in Pine, or could I ask
someone for help in a small hack on the Pine source?

Specifically, I just need to set the name-attribute value on my LDAP
directory to support multiple fields. Specifically, I need to pull the
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I've just installed pine 4.33 on a new SUN computer (solaris 8). I had
some problems with the SUN LAN configuration. Now, when I start pine with
a new user account, it complains that the hostname is unqualfied and the
return path is wrong. I can fix this by going into the pine config and
setting the 'user-domain' option. However, i was wondering if should be
needed or if I might still have some configuration problems with the SUN
LAN?

Thanks.

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Hi,

I have just installed Pine 4.33 on a test system, running OpenBSD
2.9-stable. I installed from source without hitch and now have it configured
pretty much how it needs to be.

The only problem is that the box is a multi-user system where each user has
the "virtual domain" in the form $USER.mydomain.com, where $USER is the
corresponding environment variable. According to the documentation, the
following in [pine.conf.fixed] should work:

user-domain="$USER.mydomain.com"

However, this does not appear to be the case. For all intents and purposes,
that line is totally ignored - whichever of the three configuration files it
goes in. Should I replace $USER with a fixed string, it works as expected.

I can't find any reference to this problem in the archives and am
struggling. DOes anyone have any ideas? Any and all help would be much
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
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*** Alexi Margo ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) The only problem is that the box is a multi-user system where each user has
:) the "virtual domain" in the form $USER.mydomain.com, where $USER is the
:) corresponding environment variable. According to the documentation, the
:) following in [pine.conf.fixed] should work:
:)
:) user-domain="$USER.mydomain.com"

You can try two solutions, one is to define another environment variable
in the above mentioned way and use only that encironment variable in the
user-domain configuration option or use

user-domain="${USER}.mydomain.com"

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hi
how do i use gpg with pine (when i try to pipe a message through pine, it
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Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> You can try two solutions, one is to define another
> environment variable in the above mentioned way and
> use only that encironment variable in the user-domain
> configuration option or use
>
> user-domain="${USER}.mydomain.com"

Thanks for this, the latter solution worked for me. I had thought I'd tried
it, but evidently not.

I am now presented with another problem. By default, the user's address
should probably be <mail@$USER.mydomain.com>, but I am not sure how to
change the username part in UNIX pine. In Windows Pine, it appears that the
user-id variable is what I'm looking for - is something similar available?

Thanks,
Alexi

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Hi!

> how do i use gpg with pine (when i try to pipe a message=20
> through pine, it always crashes) ch

http://pgp4pine.flatline.de/

Works nicely with both gpg and pgp

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Is there a reason the source code for pc-pine isn't available? Just
wondering.. perhaps I missed the reason on the web page?

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I just installed pine on my Mac OS X. Looks good. Couldn't be any worse
than the macs default e-mail application anyway (and possibly a whole
lot better!) I just can't seem to make pine download the email from my
mac.com account. Sending works great! I was wondering if anyone has any
'Configuring pine On SMTP Servers Using OS X For Dummies' advice. There
is a lot of information on pine, but the info assumes you know what your
doing.

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Hi,

I discovered strange behavior for the PINE 4.33, when I'm trying to
open some http:// locations. Everything is OK except a fact that, when
I'm closing the PINE the browser will be closed automatically too. But
I would like to have it opened, even if I'm close the PINE.

There is some way to bypass this "malfunction"?

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Hi there everyone.

Could any of you give me some advise how I could best go about getting an
antivirus program like RAV AntiVirus Desktop for Linux v8 to work in
connection to incomming e-mails? It's not that I suffer from these Outlook
based viruses, but friends and family often are, and I would like to warn
them ASAP when this happens.

I use fetchmail to get e-mails from my POP3 server, and use pine to filter
the mailing list entries. I don't use procmail.

Maybe there is a configuration somewhere which I could add in so that Pine
gives a warning when trying to save an E-mail attachment with a virus or
something, or opening a message or something?

I can on the other hand set RAV to automatically can once every now and
then the mail files, but this can't be done every time mail arrives I
think, seeing as fetchmail checks every three minutes?

Any ideas woiuld be appreciated :-)

Thanks
Ralph

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Hello!

I just installed pc-pine on my home computer (Win 98) and encountered
2 problems:

(i) pc-pine said that it had created the main mail folder in my
current drive, and it did indeed create a directory there;
but I couldn't deter it from installing the mail directory
it actually uses in C:\My Documents\ instead. Only after
creating several folder collections (among them $HOME\mail
explicitly) and then deleting the extra collections again
did it work. What did I do wrong? Reading lots of instructions
and FAQ's on the pine home page didn't help,
(ii) when looking at the contents of folders, I just find 2 lines,
e.g.
*mbx*
3b619d9700000003

I know this has to do with the mbx format, and pc-pine
understands this correctly; but I still would like to have
access to the actual (ASCII) text of the mail folders
outside of pc-pine (for semi-automated data management, e.g.).
Also, when transferring mail data from the (Unix) pine we
use at the department, I get 2 different mail formats in
the same (sub)directory, which does not seem so convenient.

So how do I solve this problem?

ccn.
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 [email protected] wrote:
>From: Kevin Muldoon <[email protected]>
>I just installed pine on my Mac OS X. Looks good. Couldn't be any worse
>than the macs default e-mail application anyway (and possibly a whole
>lot better!)

PLEASE WRITE UP BUGS about Mail.. (Personally, I *really liked* Mail up until
about Public Beta.. It is the ONLY GUI IMAP email program that "just works"..
Every other GUI program has LOTS of problems with IMAP, some just user
interface annoyances, some more serious... Mail "just worked".. But
they added a bunch of "fluff"... Especially if you want to get rid of the
"quote bars" or view plain text parts of messages by default, I strongly urge
you to use Apple's bug reporting system to write up bugs..)

If anybody has binary distributions of XPine, I'd love to try that on OSX..

As you can probably tell about my comments about Mail -- I want a thin GUI
shim on top of an email program, but have it be FAST otherwise.. My biggest
"problem" with pine is that I want to leave some messages open so I can read
through them slowly, but still keep up with my incoming mail.. Obviously
a command-line program can't really do that.. So a thin gui shim that lets
me open messages into new windows, but mostly "just works" like pine
would be great... and still lets me use an external editor (vim).

>I just can't seem to make pine download the email from my
>mac.com account. Sending works great! I was wondering if anyone has any
>'Configuring pine On SMTP Servers Using OS X For Dummies' advice. There
>is a lot of information on pine, but the info assumes you know what your
>doing.

Anyway, I have my mail account at work set up to read both my work mail and
mac.com mail (though I don't give out my mac.com info, mostly it was for
an experiment).

First, you have to turn on:
[ Folder Preferences ]
[X] enable-incoming-folders

Argh, I think I remember this right.. (NOTE TO PINE DEVELOPERS -- this
should all really be set up in "Setup/Config" or similar -- we should be
able to set up multiple "inbox-path", and those would be the analog
"accounts" in gui mail programs.. The way it works now is REALLY REALLY
CONFUSING, especially for a mail program intended at new users!)

then:
Save all of that info.. ("E"xit, "Y"es)
Go to Collection List ("L")
Hit return on Incoming-Folders
Hit "A"dd
fill in the various prompts -- note make sure you give it a nickname and don't
call it just "INBOX", that will confuse pine and you. e.g. {mac.com}INBOX
for the server name I believe..

After saving all of that info, you will be able to use "L" from the main
menu to choose between your original account inbox and the mac.com inbox,
via the "Incoming-Folders" item.

Another note to pine developers -- I wish it would just show me two separate
items, e.g. my work mail and mac.com, and then let me go into each of those
and show me ALL of my folders.

In other words, now my INBOX is separate from the rest of mail folders on
my acct, which is kind of confusing, imho.

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I'm working from a linux box with a remote mail server. I've set up a
role which works fine UNLESS I try to set Pine up as my alternate mailer
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up but not the role.

Similarly, if I call Pine at the command line, the command "pine -I c"
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I MUST be overlooking something simple and I apologize in advance.

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Murphy wrote:

> I discovered strange behavior for the PINE 4.33, when I'm trying to
> open some http:// locations. Everything is OK except a fact that, when
> I'm closing the PINE the browser will be closed automatically too. But
> I would like to have it opened, even if I'm close the PINE.
>=20
> There is some way to bypass this "malfunction"?

That is how Unix works. When you fork, the new proces will be daughter of
the old, unless it is "disowned" by the mother. I guess you could write a
script which invokes the browser and then disowns it, and let pine start
that script instead of the browser.

Mats

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Murphy wrote:

>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:06:43 +0200 (MET DST)
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>Subject: PINE 4.33 and the web links
>
>Hi,
>
>I discovered strange behavior for the PINE 4.33, when I'm trying to
>open some http:// locations. Everything is OK except a fact that, when
>I'm closing the PINE the browser will be closed automatically too. But
>I would like to have it opened, even if I'm close the PINE.
>
>There is some way to bypass this "malfunction"?

url-viewers="/usr/bin/open -vws /usr/bin/links _URL_ &"

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 at 01:06:07, you wrote:
(ref: <[email protected]>)

>On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Tony Firshman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 at 20:54:37, you wrote:
>> (ref: <[email protected]>)
>>
>> >I am trying to use the following from the command line:
>> >
>> >pine name@domain <c:\pine\template\one.tmp
>> >
>> >This launches an email send OK, but the file one.tmp does not appear.
>> >
>> >DOS will not run if the path\file is invalid, so that is OK.
>> >
>> >Does this template have to be in a special (undocumented) format?
>> >
>> >I have looked through the web FAQs and there is not one mention of
>> >command line options!
>> >
>> Ah sorry. I have just noticed the report of a bug in the pipe command
>> - sorry.
>> Any date for a solution?
>>
>> I can't use pine without this (8-(#
>
>Sure you can. You don't want to, but you can.
pedant (8-)#

I assume all these command line options work in the previous version?

I have a DOS based database I have been keeping going for a client since
1987 and successfully resisted his attempts to get my months (probably
over the years) of programming work transferred to a flashy but much
slower web or windows environment. I have managed to tack on similar
enhancements to keep him quiet. This failure though is another nail in
the Arcplus coffin (8-(#
Superbly easy and fast program though, and I personally will probably
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Thanks, will check it out. It's not because I fear of getting infected, but
to give an example, I received about 25 e-mails from family a while ago,
all infected with the virus. If I had forwarded any of these, I would have
spread it (yes, it's a sad fact that almost all my friends / family use
M$). That is what I want to prevent, and also to warn them about it ASAP.

Greetings

Ralph

On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Paul Jakma wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Ralph Slooten wrote:
>
> > I use fetchmail to get e-mails from my POP3 server, and use pine to filter
> > the mailing list entries. I don't use procmail.
>
> actually, if you're on any kind of modern linux - yes you do. you just
> don't know it.
>
> it goes
>
> fetchmail -> local sendmail -> procmail
>
> ie, it isn't sendmail that writes the mail to your INBOX, it's
> procmail.
>
> sendmail is an MTA
> procmail is an MDA (mail delivery agent).
>
> > gives a warning when trying to save an E-mail attachment with a virus or
> > something, or opening a message or something?
>
> go to www.amavis.org. they have a filter for sendmail ( very tricky to
> setup though) that passes incoming mail to a filter (eg a virus
> scanner) and links to Linux Virus scanning products.
>
> Alternatively you could use procmail to run all incoming mail through
> the Virus scanner.
>
> > Any ideas woiuld be appreciated :-)
>
> um.... why do you /need/ a Virus scanner if you use linux? :)
>
> > Thanks
> > Ralph
>
> --paulj
>

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Paul Jakma wrote:

> actually, if you're on any kind of modern linux - yes you do. you just
> don't know it.
>
> it goes
>
> fetchmail -> local sendmail -> procmail

Ummmm, I don't get it... I'm using Mandrake 8.0, DO NOT have sendmail even
installed, so it does not fit into this equasion. I do not have
/etc/sendmail.cf either. From what it looks like to me, fetchmail runs as a
daemon from a startup script, and every three minutes downloads my E-mails
into my user file. Any other ideas?

Ralph

> ie, it isn't sendmail that writes the mail to your INBOX, it's
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> sendmail is an MTA
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Hello,

I would like to know if there is a way to change the
maximum number of lines displayed in the journal ?
the default value is not enough for me.

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Hi all, I am wondering if you have come across this possible bug. I have
pine4.33 built for three different platforms - gcc linux, cc solaris (2.6)
and cc hpux (11.0). In both the solaris and linux builds, when I go to
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folder, pine will create this folder, but then it will segfault before it
"returns" to the filter editor. This problem does not occur on the HPUX
build. I didn't make any code modifications, I just built it like
/build NOSSL platform

Note, the folders are located on an imap server, so, the path to the
folder would be something like {imap.server.domain.edu}folder

I can't think of anything else to say, I bumped the debug level to 9, but
it isn't too helpful..

Oh, when I try to create the folder in the folder viewer, it works fine.
I have a feeling it is a problem with the filter code.

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*** Mark Copper ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Jul 27,...:

:) I'm working from a linux box with a remote mail server. I've set up a
:) role which works fine UNLESS I try to set Pine up as my alternate
:) mailer under Netscape (so Pine comes up when I click mailto links).
:) Pine comes up but not the role.
:)
:) Similarly, if I call Pine at the command line, the command "pine -I c"
:) brings up the role, BUT if I throw in the address "pine <address>" (or
:) various permutations), then no role.

A few suggestions:

- Try "pine -I #"

- Try "pine -feature-list=confirm-role-even-for-default <address>

Do any of these do something close to what you want?

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*** Bertrand PEREZ ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) I would like to know if there is a way to change the maximum number of
:) lines displayed in the journal ? the default value is not enough for
:) me.

recompile Pine, but before change the line 860 of the file pine/help.c

#define NSTATUS 100

to something different.

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Thanks, Eduardo for your suggestions. After playing around I report the
following (rather sheepishly): Linux users with remote mail servers and
Pine 4.33 should customize the "From" header with the desired entry in
"customized headers" (in "Setup, Config"). *Roles are unnecessary* (and
don't have the scope that customized headers do).

Mark

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Mark Copper ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Jul 27,...:
>
> :) I'm working from a linux box with a remote mail server. I've set up a
> :) role which works fine UNLESS I try to set Pine up as my alternate
> :) mailer under Netscape (so Pine comes up when I click mailto links).
> :) Pine comes up but not the role.
> :)
> :) Similarly, if I call Pine at the command line, the command "pine -I c"
> :) brings up the role, BUT if I throw in the address "pine <address>" (or
> :) various permutations), then no role.
>
> A few suggestions:
>
> - Try "pine -I #"
>
> - Try "pine -feature-list=confirm-role-even-for-default <address>
>
> Do any of these do something close to what you want?
>
>

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Hi to all,

Nowday, the sircam virus are a problem in the internet community.

Here we are working with PINE in our university.

Somebody know some solution in PINE for filter this virus?

Thanks from Mexico

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On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Mark Copper wrote:

> Thanks, Eduardo for your suggestions. After playing around I report the
> following (rather sheepishly): Linux users with remote mail servers and
> Pine 4.33 should customize the "From" header with the desired entry in
> "customized headers" (in "Setup, Config"). *Roles are unnecessary* (and
> don't have the scope that customized headers do).
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>
> > *** Mark Copper ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Jul 27,...:
> >
> > :) I'm working from a linux box with a remote mail server. I've set up a
> > :) role which works fine UNLESS I try to set Pine up as my alternate
> > :) mailer under Netscape (so Pine comes up when I click mailto links).
> > :) Pine comes up but not the role.
> > :)
> > :) Similarly, if I call Pine at the command line, the command "pine -I c"
> > :) brings up the role, BUT if I throw in the address "pine <address>" (or
> > :) various permutations), then no role.
> >
> > A few suggestions:
> >
> > - Try "pine -I #"
> >
> > - Try "pine -feature-list=confirm-role-even-for-default <address>
> >
> > Do any of these do something close to what you want?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: "Mike A. Harris" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: sircam ***
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Angel G. Polanco Rodriguez wrote:

>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:31:27 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Angel G. Polanco Rodriguez <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>Subject: sircam ***
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>Hi to all,
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>Nowday, the sircam virus are a problem in the internet community.

Yip.

>Here we are working with PINE in our university.
>
>Somebody know some solution in PINE for filter this virus?

Filtering it with PINE or procmail will get it out of your hair
at least from the point of having to look at it and get
frustrated, however it bandaids the real problems. Since it
can't spread through PINE, the problem is wasted bandwidth.
This needs to be blocked at SMTP level to stop that real problem,
as well as at the M$ LookOut level also.

Filter the body of the message out for the text of the virus.
You'll likely need several filters, one for English, etc...

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