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For those who might be interested, I have set up a project on
Asynchrony.com to develop a HotSync application to synchronize Palm
contacts lists with the Pine addressbook. Please see

https://www.asynchrony.com/project_home.jsp?projectid=1672

for more info. I have set it up as a non-free application, but I don't
expect to have an exorbitant price on it...

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P.S. If you would like to join Asynchrony to help with this or any other
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(yeah, I get a referral credit... ;-)

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, David L. Miller wrote:

> For those who might be interested, I have set up a project on
> Asynchrony.com to develop a HotSync application to synchronize Palm
> contacts lists with the Pine addressbook. Please see
>
> https://www.asynchrony.com/project_home.jsp?projectid=1672
>
> for more info. I have set it up as a non-free application, but I don't
> expect to have an exorbitant price on it...
>
> --DLM
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I'm trying to compile Pine v4.33 for a linux box. It's a small old box that has limited resources
so I'm trying to keep the number of packages I install on it down. I've tried a few times to
compile Pine with all the options, lnx, slx, sl4, and sl5. I've even tried to compile the v4.21
that comes with my RH v6.2 distro but that does not work either.
I am able to run Pine from an RPM install but I would like to tweak Pine a bit with some patches
and whatnot so I'd really rather compile it. If anyone knows of a Devel Lib package that I might
be missing or any other ideas I'd really appricate it.

My current Debel Libs are:

glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
ncurses-devel-5.0-11
krb5-devel-1.1.1-9

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Hi,

I tryed select some messages using for this keys ";ts<CTRL+x><ENTER>",
but PC Pine says that there is no message which fulfil this criteria.
The problem is that this way always have some results. Even if is
only one message this method always work with UNIX pine. Why this
doesn't work with PC Pine?

Regards

Murphy

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Hi,

Problem is why PC Pine desn't want to accept empty directory like a
normal directory with pine internal data? This option works fine when
I using UNIX Pine, but this doesn't work when I want to open this file
in PC Pine. Why?

Regards

Murphy

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Hi,

I have the problem, because I don't know that I'm still subscribe on
this news group, because I sended some e-mails to this group and I
didn't got answer. How to check that I still exist on the subscribsion
list? Please help me somebody (answer in priv.)

Thanks in advice!

Regards

Murphy

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Try running pine with the flag -d9 to produce lots of debugging and try
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Hello, Marcus!

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Marcus wrote:

> I'm trying to compile Pine v4.33 for a linux box. It's a small old box
> that has limited resources
> so I'm trying to keep the number of packages I install on it down.
> I've tried a few times to
> compile Pine with all the options, lnx, slx, sl4, and sl5. I've even
> tried to compile the v4.21
> that comes with my RH v6.2 distro but that does not work either.
> I am able to run Pine from an RPM install but I would like to tweak
> Pine a bit with some patches
> and whatnot so I'd really rather compile it. If anyone knows of a
> Devel Lib package that I might
> be missing or any other ideas I'd really appricate it.
>
> My current Debel Libs are:
>
> glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
> ncurses-devel-5.0-11
> krb5-devel-1.1.1-9

These are autogenerated when building pine 4.33 on Linux-Mandrake RE
system (that's not pure Mandrake or RedHat):

# Automatically added by buildreq on Fri Feb 02 2001
BuildRequires: gpm-lib lynx mailcap ncurses-devel openssl openssl-devel
pam-devel perl

My commenst to the list:

openssl{,-devel} is needed if you build Pine with SSL support;

lynx is used for generating some docs;

perl is spec-file specific;

we get the dependency on pam when the imap/c-client part of the sources is
built, another name for pam-devel package could also be libpam-devel (or
whatever else, of course).

Best regards,
Ivan Z.

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I use procmail to put my mail in different files for different mailing
lists. In Pine, i have enable-incoming-folders set and i've added the
appropriate items to my Incoming-Folders collection. However, if i press
Tab in INBOX, it says "No more incoming folders" despite the fact that
there are more incoming folders, and if i manually go into them, i can
clearly see that they have new messages in them.

I browsed the archives for this list and found three occassions where this
same question was asked, but unfortunately, there was no solution posted.

Is there something i may have overlooked? Thanks.

Here are the links to the aforementioned messages, in case they might have
phrased the problem more clearly:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1996.04/msg00320.html
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1996.08/msg00000.html
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1997.06/msg00083.html

BTW, i'm using 4.33.

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*** Mike Schiraldi wrote on pine-info list on 2001-03-02 at 15:28 -0500:

> I use procmail to put my mail in different files for different mailing
> lists. In Pine, i have enable-incoming-folders set and i've added the
> appropriate items to my Incoming-Folders collection. However, if i press
> Tab in INBOX, it says "No more incoming folders" despite the fact that
> there are more incoming folders, and if i manually go into them, i can
> clearly see that they have new messages in them.

Using the filtering provided by Pine (press M S R F) to sort your mails.
Procmail sorts the mails as and when those are delivered; pine does so
when you open a pine session. In case of sorting using procmail, pine
doesn't come to know about what messages have been filtered and hence you
get to see `No more...'.

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At 12:38 Today Mohit Agarwal wrote:

> Using the filtering provided by Pine (press M S R F) to sort your mails.
> Procmail sorts the mails as and when those are delivered; pine does so
> when you open a pine session. In case of sorting using procmail, pine
> doesn't come to know about what messages have been filtered and hence you
> get to see `No more...'.

Hm... I filter with procmail, and Pine has worked fine with that since..
uh, since I incoming-folders first came around I think.

/Martin

Keep things as recursive as possible, but not recursiver.

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*** Martin Domeij wrote on pine-info list today at 11:38 +0100:

> Hm... I filter with procmail, and Pine has worked fine with that since..
> uh, since I incoming-folders first came around I think.

Sorry, my mistake.. Incoming folders will work fine when filtering with
procmail. But if have *only* those new mails that have been sorted using
procmail, then you won't get the message at login time saying `You have
new mail'. By the way, I'm not sure whether a similar thing exists on a
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At 17:42 Today Mohit Agarwal wrote:

> Sorry, my mistake.. Incoming folders will work fine when filtering with
> procmail. But if have *only* those new mails that have been sorted using
> procmail, then you won't get the message at login time saying `You have
> new mail'.

No, of course not, but that has nothing to do with pine.

/Martin

Keep things as recursive as possible, but not recursiver.

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From: Mike Lambert <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Mike Schiraldi wrote:

> I use procmail to put my mail in different files for different mailing
> lists. In Pine, i have enable-incoming-folders set and i've added the
> appropriate items to my Incoming-Folders collection. However, if i press
> Tab in INBOX, it says "No more incoming folders" despite the fact that
> there are more incoming folders, and if i manually go into them, i can
> clearly see that they have new messages in them.

I have been doing this with pine since the incoming-folder feature was
created and am running 4.33 currently. In order for the tab key to work
for incoming forlders, pine has to know about them via the .pinerc file.
Knowing about them is different from merely seeing them in the "incoming
folders" window. For example, my .procmailrc has the following settings
(comments deleted for brevity):

# Updated by Pine(tm) 4.21, copyright 1989-1999 University of Washington.
#
# Pine configuration file -- customize as needed.

inbox-path=/var/mail/mkl

###################### Collections, Folders, and Files #####################

incoming-folders="nedod" Mail/IN.nedod,
"bmwmc" Mail/IN.bmwmc,
"oilheads" Mail/IN.oilheads,
"pine" Mail/IN.pine,
"bblisa" Mail/IN.bblisa,
block Mail/IN.block,
spam Mail/IN.spam,
trash Mail/IN.trash

folder-collections=Mail/archive/[]

mail-directory=Mail/

############################### Preferences ################################

feature-list=
enable-incoming-folders,

hth,

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At 15:28 Yesterday Mike Schiraldi wrote:

> I use procmail to put my mail in different files for different mailing
> lists. In Pine, i have enable-incoming-folders set and i've added the
> appropriate items to my Incoming-Folders collection. However, if i press
> Tab in INBOX, it says "No more incoming folders" despite the fact that
> there are more incoming folders, and if i manually go into them, i can
> clearly see that they have new messages in them.

Have you opened the folder before? What I'm getting at is this:

If I'm in my inbox and press tab, it will take me to the next incoming
folder. If I from there go back to my inbox without actually reading the
messages in it, tab won't take me back to that folder until there is
another new message in it, although it clearly still has messages with the
'N'-flag intact in it. I'm not sure how this works (hopefully someone
does :)), but it seems that it doesn't check for unread messages as much
as folders that hasn't been opened since last altered or something of the
sort. Which is rather preferable I think; I mean, I probably had a reason
for not reading those messages in the incoming folder.

/Martin

Keep things as recursive as possible, but not recursiver.

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My Pine role includes this:

Initialize settings using role : pub-base
Set From = <No Value Set: using "Nancy McGough <nm-this-address-i...">
Set Reply-To = <No Value Set>
Set Fcc = sent-pine-current
Set LiteralSig = <Empty Value>
Set Signature = <No Value Set: using "sig4pub">
Set Template = <No Value Set>
Set Other Hdrs = <No Value Set>

When I compose a message using my Pine role, the From header is
set correctly but the Signature (sig4pub) is not. This used to
work so it seems to be a new bug.

Thanks,
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Subject: Still can't compile...
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Well I added gpm-devel even though I don't use a mouse with this box, still can't compile. When I
use ./build lnx nothing compiles however when I use ./build slx the imapd and mtest binaries are
compiled. Below is a bit of what happens at the end of the build. If anyone knows what might be
going on I'd appricate it.

Again, these are the devel packages I have installed on the box:

gpm-devel-1.18.1-7
glibc-devel-2.1.3-15
ncurses-devel-5.0-11
krb5-devel-1.1.1-9

And here is what the build says before it finishes:

./pico/libpico.a(attach.o): In function `ParseAttach':
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/attach.c:760: undefined reference to `compresspath'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/attach.c:770: undefined reference to `fixpath'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/attach.c:771: undefined reference to `fexist'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/attach.c:772: undefined reference to `fioperr'
./pico/libpico.a(attach.o): In function `NewAttach':
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/attach.c:1096: undefined reference to `ttresize'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/attach.c:1097: undefined reference to `picosigs'
./pico/libpico.a(bind.o): In function `whelp':
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:137: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:162: undefined reference to `ttresize'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:163: undefined reference to `picosigs'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:172: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:174: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:180: undefined reference to `term'
./pico/libpico.a(bind.o): In function `wscrollw':
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:266: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:268: undefined reference to `GetKey'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:286: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:297: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:305: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:312: undefined reference to `term'
/root/tmp/pine4.33/pico/bind.c:324: undefined reference to `term'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [pine] Error 1

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
text data bss dec hex filename
604164 7572 2176 613912 95e18 bin/mtest
639176 7696 9460 656332 a03cc bin/imapd
size: bin/pico: No such file or directory
size: bin/pilot: No such file or directory
Done
[root@max pine4.33]# ls bin
imapd mtest
[root@max pine4.33]#

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Running V. 4.33 and I receive this identical behavior whether running the
pre-compiled binary from the FTP site or the version compiled by my ISP.
If the mailbox is empty, Pine appears to take a _long_ time to load, then
displays the error message below. I have a full level 9 debug output file
if anybody wants to see it ... write me offline. Thanks for any thoughts.

09:49:41.752963
Close - saved inbox state: max 0

09:49:41.753010
busy_alarm(1, Opening "[email protected]", (nil), 1)

09:49:41.753075
q_status_message(Opening "[email protected]" )

09:49:41.753248
IMAP 09:49:41 3/4 mm_log ERROR: Can't open mailbox mail/[email protected]: no such mailbox

09:49:41.753326
q_status_message(Can't open mailbox mail/[email protected].)

09:49:41.753373
Opened folder (nil) "nil" (context: "mail/%s")

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> If I'm in my inbox and press tab, it will take me to the next incoming
> folder. If I from there go back to my inbox without actually reading the
> messages in it, tab won't take me back to that folder until there is
> another new message in it, although it clearly still has messages with the
> 'N'-flag intact in it.

Bingo. I realize now that that's exactly the problem i'm having.

> sort. Which is rather preferable I think; I mean, I probably had a reason
> for not reading those messages in the incoming folder.

I'm not so sure. I'd suggest this be a config option. At the very least it
should be mentioned in the docs.

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I think the Empty Value in LiteralSig is overriding the Signature. Empty
Value means set it to nothing.

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On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Nancy McGough wrote:

> My Pine role includes this:
>
> Initialize settings using role : pub-base
> Set From = <No Value Set: using "Nancy McGough <nm-this-address-i...">
> Set Reply-To = <No Value Set>
> Set Fcc = sent-pine-current
> Set LiteralSig = <Empty Value>
> Set Signature = <No Value Set: using "sig4pub">
> Set Template = <No Value Set>
> Set Other Hdrs = <No Value Set>
>
>
> When I compose a message using my Pine role, the From header is
> set correctly but the Signature (sig4pub) is not. This used to
> work so it seems to be a new bug.
>
> Thanks,
> ^X,
> Nancy
>
>

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Greetings -

I hope I'm not too out of date with the information below (we're lagging a
few releases behind actuality at the moment!) ...

--On Monday, March 5, 2001 10:44 am -0500 Mike Schiraldi
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> If I'm in my inbox and press tab, it will take me to the next incoming
>> folder. If I from there go back to my inbox without actually reading the
>> messages in it, tab won't take me back to that folder until there is
>> another new message in it, although it clearly still has messages with
>> the 'N'-flag intact in it.
>
> Bingo. I realize now that that's exactly the problem i'm having.

Sounds like the old confusion about "What does 'New' mean?" ...

Different people have different interpretations as to what "New" means.

To some people a "New" message is one that hasn't been read (which includes
a message which has been read and then re-flagged as being unread).

The most obvious means of such a "New" message appearing is a mail
delivery agent adding a newly arriving message to a folder.

A less obvious one is someone going back to a previously-read message
and changing its status flag to say it has been unread.

To other people a "New" message is one that has arrived in a mail folder
since it was last opened/polled (even if that new message had been read
previously and simply re-saved to this folder).

Again the most obvious cause of such a message appearing in a folder is
a brand new one arriving through the delivery agent.

A less obvious cause is manually copying any message (even a "read"
one!) from one folder to another: in the target folder the message might
well be already-read but still recently-arrived!

In some sense either interpretation is valid. Hence it is often less
confusing to talk about "Seen/Unseen" and "Recent(ly arrived)" messages.
The former are tracked with IMAP's "Seen" message flag (which is under the
control of the user), and the latter by IMAP's "Recent" flag (which isn't).

The unfortunate thing is that Pine displays Unseen messages with the "N"
flag next to them in the index screens. This leads people to equate Unseen
and New.

So where does that take us?

Pine displays Unseen messages (ie, those without the IMAP "Seen" flag set)
marked with an "N" in its index screens. People read this as meaning "New".

When Pine talks about "incoming folders" people assume that the Tab key
will check for "New" messages IN the folder. Actually it is checkong for
messages new TO the folder: ie, those that are "recently arrived", as
denoted by having the IMAP "Recent" flag set.

You can see where the idea is coming from:

0. A newly arrived message appears in one of your incoming folders.
Assume this folder is called "quz".

1. Pine checks your subsequent incoming folders and spots the newly
arrived ("Recent") message has appeared in folder "quz". It
offers you the chance to look at the folder and you do so.

2. You see the message summary in the Index and decide not to bother
with it right now. You return to the INBOX.

3. For subsequent checks it is useful to learn about any further
messages that newly arrive in "quz" without being bothered about
the existence of the earlier message (which you know about and
declined to read at the time). When any such _more_ messages
arrive a subsequent poll will detect them (only) and alert you,
so you can again check the Index and decide whether to read/deal
with them there and then.

>From the point of view of someone _monitoring_ mail folders (for newly
arriving mail) this behaviour is probably exactly what they want.

However for someone wanting to _maintain_ mail folders (to go back and
read/deal with messages they chose not to at the time of first
notification) then it probably _isn't_ what they want ... they'd prefer it
to track the status of the "Seen" flag rather than the "Recent" flag.

>> sort. Which is rather preferable I think; I mean, I probably had a reason
>> for not reading those messages in the incoming folder.
>
> I'm not so sure. I'd suggest this be a config option. At the very least it
> should be mentioned in the docs.

One solution is to explain clearly in the documentation/built-in help about
the subtle difference between Seen/Unseen and Recent messages, which is
used for checking incoming mail folders, and why.

Another would be to provide a configuration option. For example Mulberry
is very flexible and enables you to define a "New" message as being one of:
* A message that is Unseen
* A message that is Recent
* A message that is Recent AND Unseen
(the latter avoids false "Recent-only" positives caused by copying an
already-read message to a monitored mailbox ... such a message is Recent
but Seen)

However I seem to recall there is, as ever, a penalty.

I _think_ I'm right in saying that the number of Recent messages can be
obtained quickly and cheaply with IMAP's EXAMINE command, but that to check
for Unseen messages requires the mailbox be opened and parsed (which
usually is relatively expensive).

[Disclaimer: This applies to the pre-IMAP 2000 version of the U. Washington
IMAP server. If things have changed in IMAP 2000 onwards then
do please someone correct me so I know for next time!]

Cheers,

Mike B-)

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> When Pine talks about "incoming folders" people assume that the Tab key
> will check for "New" messages IN the folder. Actually it is checkong for
> messages new TO the folder: ie, those that are "recently arrived", as
> denoted by having the IMAP "Recent" flag set.

Inconsistency alert!

I'm in a folder which has two messages. Both are Unseen. Neither is
Recent. I'm on message one. I press Tab. It takes me to message two, the
next Unseen message.

I'm in folder foo with one message. I also have another incoming folder,
bar, with one message. Both messages are Unseen. Neither is Recent. I
press Tab. Nothing happens. It's looking for the next Recent message.

> However for someone wanting to _maintain_ mail folders (to go back and
> read/deal with messages they chose not to at the time of first
> notification) then it probably _isn't_ what they want ... they'd prefer it
> to track the status of the "Seen" flag rather than the "Recent" flag.

That's right. I'm on a lot of mailing lists, and first thing in the
morning, i want to dart through them, looking for interesting subject
lines. Later, i'll want to glance at any messages i've skipped the first
time, and there's no easy way i can find to zip through all Unseen
messages across multiple folders.

> I _think_ I'm right in saying that the number of Recent messages can be
> obtained quickly and cheaply with IMAP's EXAMINE command, but that to check
> for Unseen messages requires the mailbox be opened and parsed (which
> usually is relatively expensive).

Yeah, but i've got Pine running locally, mailboxes stored locally, and
800 MHz all to myself. :)

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I forget if I mentioned this before.

on pine 4.33, I have the auto-zoom-after-select turned on.

However, this preference isn't followed when I use the
w<searchstring>^X<return>
shortcut.

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I forget if I mentioned this before.
:)
:) on pine 4.33, I have the auto-zoom-after-select turned on.
:)
:) However, this preference isn't followed when I use the
:) w<searchstring>^X<return>
:) shortcut.

I just reported this a few days ago (on a privfate note) to the Pine team,
I have not received an answer yet, I'll let you know if I receive a
private answer to it or maybe we'll be lucky ans one will be posted here.

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*** Mike Brudenell ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Sounds like the old confusion about "What does 'New' mean?" ...

When Pine communicates with the server, it asks for the status of the
messages according to the server. The server reports for "unseen" and
"recent" messages. A message that is "recent" and "unseen" is what is
called "New" (N), a message which is "not recent" and "unseen" is called
"unread" (U). Depending on how you display your index in Pine you can have
messages that should be marked with a "U" seen as if they are marked with
a "N". This is the default behavior of Pine. If you want to change this
behavior you should define your index-format to be:

IMAPSTATUS MSGNO DATE FROMORTO(35%) SIZE SUBJECT(65%)

this will show you more fields, than "N" and " ", in particular you can
have the status be one of the four following fields:

"N" - New, the message was not in the folder the last time it was opened
"R" - Read, the message was not in the folder the last time it was opened
and you read the message (or opened it at least)
"U" - Unread, the message was in the folder the last time you opened it,
and you did not read it (this is the "N" you normally see in Pine)
" " - Read, the messge was there the last time you opened it and you just
opened it.

:) One solution is to explain clearly in the documentation/built-in help about
:) the subtle difference between Seen/Unseen and Recent messages, which is
:) used for checking incoming mail folders, and why.

All this information is explained in the definition of the IMAPSTATUS
token, which can be read online from the help of the "index-format"
configuration variable.

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*** Mike Schiraldi ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) Inconsistency alert!
:)
:) I'm in a folder which has two messages. Both are Unseen. Neither is
:) Recent. I'm on message one. I press Tab. It takes me to message two, the
:) next Unseen message.
:)
:) I'm in folder foo with one message. I also have another incoming folder,
:) bar, with one message. Both messages are Unseen. Neither is Recent. I
:) press Tab. Nothing happens. It's looking for the next Recent message.

I do not know what the inconsistency here is, this is exactly how it is
supposed to work. You probably have tab set up to work so that if there
are no more new messages to scan in the folder, then it looks for in the
next one. This is normal. Remember that new is not the same as unseen.

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> I do not know what the inconsistency here is, this is exactly how it is
> supposed to work. You probably have tab set up to work so that if there
> are no more new messages to scan in the folder, then it looks for in the
> next one. This is normal. Remember that new is not the same as unseen.

In the first scenario, pressing Tab takes you to the next Unseen message.
In the second, it takes you to the next Recent message.

Or, to put it another way, pressing Tab takes you to the next Unseen
message in the current folder if one exists. If not, it takes you to the
next Recent message in the set of incoming folders.

IMHO, it should either take you to the next Unseen message or take you to
the next Recent message, but certainly not one or the other, depending on
whether said message is in the current folder or not.

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Hi -

I get an interesting error in Pine, usually when I call it up. It reads:
*cannot have *@* in [email protected] user-domain* or something along those
lines. In the config area I have my *user-domain* set as follows:
[email protected]. What should it be? I can send and receive email just
fine.

Thanks,

Dick

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*** Mike Schiraldi ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) In the first scenario, pressing Tab takes you to the next Unseen message.
:) In the second, it takes you to the next Recent message.

Read the help associated to

[X] auto-open-next-unread

you can find there the description of the behavior you are complaining
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*** Dick Williams ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I get an interesting error in Pine, usually when I call it up. It reads:
:) *cannot have *@* in [email protected] user-domain* or something along those
:) lines. In the config area I have my *user-domain* set as follows:
:) [email protected]. What should it be? I can send and receive email just
:) fine.

Dick,

The user-domain is different from the "user e-mail address". The domain
is the part of your e-mail address that comes after the "@" sign, so in
your case is "erie.net".

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> Read the help associated to
>
> [X] auto-open-next-unread
>
> you can find there the description of the behavior you are complaining
> about.

I'm afraid i don't see what you're talking about. It says, in part:

When the TAB (Next New) key is pressed, and there are no more unseen
messages in the current (incoming message or news) folder, Pine will
search the list of folders in the current collection for one containing
New or Recent (new since the last time the folder was opened) messages.

If "New or Recent" means "Unseen or Recent", the documentation is
incorrect, because that's not the way Pine behaves.

If "New or Recent" means "Recent", Pine is inconsistent.

Pressing Tab takes you to the next message that has Quality X. Quality X
means "Unseen" if the message is in your current folder, and it means
"Recent" if the message is in a different incoming folder. This is
inconsistent.

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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*** Mike Schiraldi ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) I'm afraid i don't see what you're talking about. It says, in part:
:)
:) When the TAB (Next New) key is pressed, and there are no more unseen
:) messages in the current (incoming message or news) folder, Pine will
:) search the list of folders in the current collection for one containing
:) New or Recent (new since the last time the folder was opened) messages.

Take a look at the documentation of:

[X] tab-visits-next-new-message-only

this is the help for it:

This feature affects Pine's behavior when using the TAB key to move from
one message to the next. Pine's usual behavior is to select the next
unread message or message flagged as "Important".

Setting this feature causes Pine to skip the messages flagged as
important, and select unread messages exclusively. Tab behavior when
there are no new messages left to select remains unchanged.

In another words, if you press the "Tab" key and there is an unseen
message that follows that message, then pressing TAB will take you there.

On the other hand, if you press the TAB key in the last unread message
and [X] auto-open-next-unread is set, then the behavior is that you will
be sent to the next folder that contains New or Recent messages (meaning
messages that were not there the last time the folder was opened, this is
what the last line of the paragraph that I quoted from your message says.

I do not see any inconsistency in the documentation, rather I see that
you are trying to interpret Pine's behavior as a behavior that relates to
"New messages", whatever be the meaning of "New". As it is clear from
above, the behavior of TAB is for "unseen" messages when you are in the
folder (and this is documented) and is for "recent" when you skip to
another folder, and this is also documented.

I do not disagree with the idea that one could have a key for checking
for messages with the quality "X", but this is not what Tab does, and the
documentation shows that very clearly.

--
Eduardo
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Hello to all,

I'd like to know if Pine has something like a precommand to execute a
program, before it checks the new email.

I have experiment this feature with KMail (KDE) with fetchmail. There is
possible to execute first fetchmail before Pine checks my local email?

I know that I can run fetchmail in daemon mode, but I have a dialup
connection and I don't have a fulltime connection.

Thanks very much to all subscribers and developers. This is the best and
complete email program that i ever used.

Bye,

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Why not just create a simple shell script that invokes fetchmail before
invoking Pine?

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Nuno Teixeira wrote:

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> Hello to all,
>
> I'd like to know if Pine has something like a precommand to execute a
> program, before it checks the new email.
>
> I have experiment this feature with KMail (KDE) with fetchmail. There i=
s
> possible to execute first fetchmail before Pine checks my local email?
>
> I know that I can run fetchmail in daemon mode, but I have a dialup
> connection and I don't have a fulltime connection.
>
> Thanks very much to all subscribers and developers. This is the best an=
d
> complete email program that i ever used.
>
> Bye,
>
>
> - --
> Nuno Teixeira
> Dir. T=E9cnico
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Eduardo -

Thanks you, Sir, for your help. It is appreciated.

Dick

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Dick Williams ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) I get an interesting error in Pine, usually when I call it up. It reads:
> :) *cannot have *@* in [email protected] user-domain* or something along those
> :) lines. In the config area I have my *user-domain* set as follows:
> :) [email protected]. What should it be? I can send and receive email just
> :) fine.
>
> Dick,
>
> The user-domain is different from the "user e-mail address". The domain
> is the part of your e-mail address that comes after the "@" sign, so in
> your case is "erie.net".
>
>

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, 16:46 -0800 David L. Miller wrote:

> Why not just create a simple shell script that invokes fetchmail before
> invoking Pine?

It won't play nicely. I had a problem with pine 4.30, I made an alias lik=
e
this:

alias getmail=3D"fetchmail && pine"
a .fetchmailrc was in my home dir.

The problem is that pine forgot to sort some messages, those would not
show up and sent to their folders until I did a Ctrl+L (I have pine
filtering all my mail).

>
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Nuno Teixeira wrote:
>
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> >
> > I have experiment this feature with KMail (KDE) with fetchmail. There=
is
> > possible to execute first fetchmail before Pine checks my local email=
?
> >
> > I know that I can run fetchmail in daemon mode, but I have a dialup
> > connection and I don't have a fulltime connection.
> >
> > Thanks very much to all subscribers and developers. This is the best =
and
> > complete email program that i ever used.
> >
> > Bye,
> >
> >
> > - --
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> > Dir. T=E9cnico
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Hi,

We've been seeing some problems with 4.33 as a result of old mbox
files existing in some users' $HOME directories. If the mbox exists,
Pine 4.33 moves the spool into mbox upon opening.

This is causing a variety of problems, but what it all comes down to is:
Is there a way to compile 4.33 to make it ignore mbox? Or at least so it
doesn't move spool/mail into mbox?

Second question - We have some users who apparently run Pine on the server
(ie, not PC Pine) and simultaneously allow their PCs to pop mail. Pine
3.96 seemed to have no problem with this (although I have no idea why
anyone would do this). However, 4.33 doesn't allow the pop to occur. Is
this a designed feature of 4.33? If so, and this becomes a major
complaint, can this feature be compiled out?

Thanks,
Susan

Susan Dorsey
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Information Technology Services
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*** Susan Dorsey ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) We've been seeing some problems with 4.33 as a result of old mbox
:) files existing in some users' $HOME directories. If the mbox exists,
:) Pine 4.33 moves the spool into mbox upon opening.
:)
:) This is causing a variety of problems, but what it all comes down to is:
:) Is there a way to compile 4.33 to make it ignore mbox? Or at least so it
:) doesn't move spool/mail into mbox?

Susan,

You can try recompiling Pine, but edit first the file:

pine4.33/imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile

delete the value "mbox" from the "EXTRADRIVERS=mbox" variable. That should
also do it.

If your users also use IMAP to access their INBOX, you will need to
replace "imapd" also by the new "imapd" you get after recompiling.

If you do not wish to recompile and if your users read mail from the
spool, then adding the value "mbox" to the variable
"disable-these-drivers" in their .pinerc file will do the trick too. (This
trick does not work if your users read their INBOX through IMAP, as it is
the server, in this case, and not Pine the one that moves the messages, so
in this case it would be convenient to recompile imapd, with the support
for mbox disabled.)

In any case, after doing this, you may receive questions about "missing
mail", since Pine is not reading mail from their "mbox" anymore. Their
mail is safely stored in their mbox file, which you can merge to their
INBOX or copy to their /mail directory.

I didn't understand much your second question so I'll let someone else
answer it for you.

Have a nice day.

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What happens in PINE, if you have 3 login sessions of PINE
running all on the same host, all accessing the same local mail
spool file (not nfs), and you are using incoming email filters in
PINE? Do all three mail clients match the new message, and then
filter it in your folders?

I ask because I have procmail set up to filter some of my mail,
and procmail is also using a msgid duplicate filter with a large
enough cache to kill any dupes even if they come in a couple days
apart. I started using PINE filters recently in addition to my
procmail rules, but the PINE filters filter different stuff than
do the procmail filters, so they should not conflict with each
other.

Oddly, I've noticed I'm getting duplicate emails recently.
Duplicates that are perfect binary duplicates of each other, same
headers/body, etcs.. I've convirmed this with diff.

There is no way in hell my dupe filter in procmail would be
letting dupes through, especially an hour apart. I've puzzled
with the idea and thought the problem lied in the MTA, but now
I'm not so sure. It is possible that stray PINE sessions are
staying active when my net connection goes down, and when I
connect back in, I'm ending up with multiple concurrant PINE
sessions without knowing it. If this is the case I strongly
suspect that I am getting dupes as messages come in and get
filtered from my inbox to my folders by 2-4 copies of pine
simultaneously, and thus explaining the duplicates.

On top of that it is possible that PINE is running like this on
more than one host, and is being used via NFS as well.

Does this sound like a possible reason for my duplicate messages,
and is there a way of fixing it? If not, I will have to go back
to all-procmail filters. I kindof liked doing simpler filtering
in PINE though..

Then again, I could be way off base, and it could be caused by
something else... It is my guess though that PINE's filtering
mechanism wasn't designed in such a way to allow multiple
concurrent access to the same inboxes with filters being applied
to that inbox.

Comments?

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Hello,

there is a bug in PC-Pine v4.33 (and earlier ones) with quoting arguments
when invoking external programs.

PC-Pine quotes arguments containing unix-shell meta characters with a
single quote. In Windows a) most of those characters do not have any shell
meta function (so to quote them is unnecessary) and b) no single quotes,
but double quotes must be used.

It's annoying repeatedly when following a hyperlink, because many of them
contain a '?' or '&' or something like that.

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Hallo,

I've setup UW's imapd to run as imaps on port 1111 for testing {Just a
pain to tweak it onto that port!}

During compilation on Solaris sh build told "Including SSL functionality".

The INBOX is defined as: {server:1111/ssl/novalidate-cert}INBOX

Using pine built on Solaris, too, the logfile says:
.. imaps alternative service init ...
.. Authenticated user= ...

So I'm guessing that I logged in into UW's imapd/ssl and rather than
stunnel.

The pre-built PC-Pine v4.33 gives me that (copied from Journal):
===
Opening "INBOX"
Opening "INBOX"
Unexpected SChannel error 80090302 - report this
Can't establish SSL session to server/SSL,1111
No folder is currently open
===

What's wrong with PC-Pine?

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Hello,

how can I tell pine to accept self-signed certificates _without_
/novalidate-cert??

E.g. by placing a valdiation file on the host pine runs on, or somthing??

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*** Steffen Kaiser ([email protected]) wrote in the...:

:) there is a bug in PC-Pine v4.33 (and earlier ones) with quoting arguments
:) when invoking external programs.

I think this behavior is a feature, try editing your pinerc file and
adding "enable-mailcap-param-substitution" under feature-list. Hopefully
that will solve your problem.

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I just confirmed my assumptions of pine mail filter bug.

If one uses PINE mail filters, one can not have multiple
instances of PINE running simultaneously or else every running
copy of PINE will each filter incoming mail resulting in as many
duplicates as there are PINE processes running.

Steps to reproduce:

1) Log into a machine where you have your mail spool and mail
folders.

2) Run PINE, set up an incoming mail filter of some kind, lets
say you set up a filter to file all mail coming from mailing
list [email protected] into the foo-list folder.

3) Make sure you're subscribed to foo-list, and that you are
actually receiving mail from the list, and that PINE is
filtering it into your folder properly.

4) Leave this PINE running, and log into the same machine again
from another VC, or from somewhere else, etc. and run PINE
again. You'll get the "PINE is already running, trying to get
the mailbox lock from other pine session" message, which of
course works.

5) Repeat step 4 again so you have 3 running copies of PINE on
the same host.

Now send an email to foo-list, or wait until some mail comes in.
You might want to try [email protected] for a good way
of reproducing quickly. ;o)

As soon as mail comes in from foo-list, every single running PINE
will grab the message, and each will file it into your foo-list
folder, so you have 3 copies of the message (or rather one copy
for each PINE that is running at the time). Oddly enough, they
all don't get filtered simultaneously. It may be anywhere from
30 minutes to 12 hours later that duplicates appear, which is
very odd indeed.

Killing all PINE instances but one corrects the problem at least
until you run PINE again.

One might be inclined to say "don't run multiple copies of PINE
while filtering is enabled" but that isn't very useful for those
that need to do so IMHO. What is worse is that you may not be
aware multiple copies of PINE are running, as you may have had a
remote ssh session get killed leaving a PINE running but
detached, or some other scenario, or even multiple PINE's
running on separate hosts, but all accessing the same inbox and
folders via NFS. I consider this a pretty severe bug because it
hampers the functionality of PINE mail filters.

Possible _partial_ solution: When PINE acquires the mailbox lock
from another PINE process have that other process not only give
up the lock, but also disable all mail filters on that instance.
This would ensure all PINE instances on a given host only one is
filtering and thus would avoid these duplicate emails.

It doesn't solve the problem of PINE being ran on different hosts
but accessing the same inbox/folders via NFS. I dunno how this
could be solved at all, or if it can be, if it would work cross
platform (probably not).

Please let me know if this is considered fixable, and when we
might expect to see a fix. I'm willing also to test out proposed
patches, etc. if it helps fix the problem.

For now I'm falling back to using procmail filters for
everything.

TIA

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*** Mike A. Harris wrote on pine-info list today at 11:02 -0500:

> I just confirmed my assumptions of pine mail filter bug.
>
> If one uses PINE mail filters, one can not have multiple
> instances of PINE running simultaneously or else every running
> copy of PINE will each filter incoming mail resulting in as many
> duplicates as there are PINE processes running.

[...]

Yes, I've also seen this happening. Not only does this happen when you
have multiple sessions of pine ruuning simultaneously, but also in case
pine aborts abnormally.

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If you use the customized headers feature of PINE, and include 2
headers the same, and then postpone the message, when you
continue your message, the headers appear in PINE's message
editor, but all screwed up with both on one line.

Steps to reproduce:

1) Go to Main->Setup->Config
2) Edit custom headers and add two headers:
X-Foo: bar
X-Foo: broccoli

3) Save and exit then compose a new message.
4) While composing, postpone your message.
5) Hit "C" to compose again and choose to continue the postponed
message.
6) The new screen that comes up in the composer now shows both
new headers (where it didn't show any before), and the
contents of both headers is crammed into the first one.

X-Foo: barbroccoli
X-Foo:

Expected behavior:

1) The headers should be separate as they are in the
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2) They should NOT appear in the composer unless shown in
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This occurs in PINE 4.33 and is easily reproduceable.

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On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Mohit Agarwal wrote:

>> I just confirmed my assumptions of pine mail filter bug.
>>
>> If one uses PINE mail filters, one can not have multiple
>> instances of PINE running simultaneously or else every running
>> copy of PINE will each filter incoming mail resulting in as many
>> duplicates as there are PINE processes running.
>
>[...]
>
>Yes, I've also seen this happening. Not only does this happen when you
>have multiple sessions of pine ruuning simultaneously, but also in case
>pine aborts abnormally.

I am unable to use PINE's filters anymore until this is fixed.
;o(

An optimal solution would be to have PINE use procmail as it's
filter optionally, and allow the user to specify the recipes
filename, that way one could use .procmailrc normally, and inside
the main rc include .procmailrc-pine for example. It would also
throw in regular expressions to boot. ;o)

GNU MANA uses procmail in this manner for filtering.

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Well actually, if you go to "S"etup, "R"ules, "F"ilters and go to the end
of the list, you'll see a small but important feature called:

move-only-if-not-deleted

See, when pine moves a message, it marks it as deleted. So next time it
will ignore the message. This was implemented in pine 4.32 if I remember
correclty.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Mohit Agarwal wrote:
>
> >> I just confirmed my assumptions of pine mail filter bug.
> >>
> >> If one uses PINE mail filters, one can not have multiple
> >> instances of PINE running simultaneously or else every running
> >> copy of PINE will each filter incoming mail resulting in as many
> >> duplicates as there are PINE processes running.
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >Yes, I've also seen this happening. Not only does this happen when you
> >have multiple sessions of pine ruuning simultaneously, but also in case
> >pine aborts abnormally.
>
> I am unable to use PINE's filters anymore until this is fixed.
> ;o(
>
> An optimal solution would be to have PINE use procmail as it's
> filter optionally, and allow the user to specify the recipes
> filename, that way one could use .procmailrc normally, and inside
> the main rc include .procmailrc-pine for example. It would also
> throw in regular expressions to boot. ;o)
>
> GNU MANA uses procmail in this manner for filtering.
>
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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) I just confirmed my assumptions of pine mail filter bug.
:)
:) If one uses PINE mail filters, one can not have multiple
:) instances of PINE running simultaneously or else every running
:) copy of PINE will each filter incoming mail resulting in as many
:) duplicates as there are PINE processes running.

Mike,

Take a look at the following discussion in comp.mail.pine that took
place a few weeks ago:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=eda394f4d2b7b194

if you are having the same problem reported here, you may be out of luck
for some time, although I like your idea that a "closed inbox" should not
filter messages, which I think would help to reduce this problem, or do
you have the "move-only-if-not-deleted" feature unchecked?

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Thanks Nemo, you directed me to the place I have been trying to find since
I got Pine ver 4.31 compiled on my Linux. I will play with this in the
near future and see if I can do what I'm now doing with procmail. I have
had no problem with procmail but there isn't any for the windoz version
and I need some good reason to get co-workers to use Pine as their mail
system.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Nemo wrote:

>
> Well actually, if you go to "S"etup, "R"ules, "F"ilters and go to the end
> of the list, you'll see a small but important feature called:
>
> move-only-if-not-deleted
>
> See, when pine moves a message, it marks it as deleted. So next time it
> will ignore the message. This was implemented in pine 4.32 if I remember
> correclty.
>
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Mohit Agarwal wrote:
> >
> > >> I just confirmed my assumptions of pine mail filter bug.
> > >>
> > >> If one uses PINE mail filters, one can not have multiple
> > >> instances of PINE running simultaneously or else every running
> > >> copy of PINE will each filter incoming mail resulting in as many
> > >> duplicates as there are PINE processes running.
> > >
> > >[...]
> > >
> > >Yes, I've also seen this happening. Not only does this happen when you
> > >have multiple sessions of pine ruuning simultaneously, but also in case
> > >pine aborts abnormally.
> >
> > I am unable to use PINE's filters anymore until this is fixed.
> > ;o(
> >
> > An optimal solution would be to have PINE use procmail as it's
> > filter optionally, and allow the user to specify the recipes
> > filename, that way one could use .procmailrc normally, and inside
> > the main rc include .procmailrc-pine for example. It would also
> > throw in regular expressions to boot. ;o)
> >
> > GNU MANA uses procmail in this manner for filtering.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Free Software advocate
> > This message is copyright 2001, all rights reserved.
> > Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Looking for Linux software? http://freshmeat.net http://www.rpmfind.net
> > http://filewatcher.org http://www.coldstorage.org http://sourceforge.net
> >
> >
>
> --
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>
>
>

Yours Truly,

- Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -

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This thing is starting to drive me nuts. I'm on a lot of mailing lists and
accordingly, I receive a lot of mail. So I set up filters in pine to get
all the mail to its proper place (folder). My problem is that I find it
_very_ hard to go from folder to folder (their number is >20) in search of
the new emails. I have written to the pine devel team about adding some
visual feedback when a folder has new messgaes in it. They told me that
this is one of their TODO items, in the mean time, is there any way, to
work around that jumping from folder to folder. Maybe, some way to stall
the filters, and read all the new messages (while in INBOX), and after
that apply them and send the mail to the folders?

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Hello!

I have noticed a situation when Pine (4.33, though I'm writing from
another version) behaves not very nice:

Specify in Main-Setup-Config the inbox-path, for example: my-mail. Then
make sure the file doesn't exist:

$ rm -f ~/my-mail

and start Pine:

$ pine -i

Pine gets into a state where you can nothing, but Quit. Even if there are
ohter folders, you may wish to have a look at (that's the main
inconvinience here).

Starting Pine without the "-i" option, and then pressing "I" isn't the
same: after this you get a working Pine. And, of course, touching the file
makes everything work Ok.

Hope the developers will fix it in future releases.

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Whenever I try replying to people I get this prompt:
Reply to all recipients?

Who would be "all recipients" since the mail recipient is me ?
Why should PINE ask if I would like to mail me ? (that's nonsense)
Why doesn't pine go straight ahead on replying to the sender ?

Now this is a "feature" that we, "recipients", should be able to turn off.

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i go to the [M]ain menu and then to [J]ournal to see the lates operations
(like filtering mail to folders).

that's the best you can do for now.

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

>
> This thing is starting to drive me nuts. I'm on a lot of mailing lists and
> accordingly, I receive a lot of mail. So I set up filters in pine to get
> all the mail to its proper place (folder). My problem is that I find it
> _very_ hard to go from folder to folder (their number is >20) in search of
> the new emails. I have written to the pine devel team about adding some
> visual feedback when a folder has new messgaes in it. They told me that
> this is one of their TODO items, in the mean time, is there any way, to
> work around that jumping from folder to folder. Maybe, some way to stall
> the filters, and read all the new messages (while in INBOX), and after
> that apply them and send the mail to the folders?

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Ok here's the solution that was suggested to me. It works now for me
(after some tweaking) and I hope that others may benefit from it, at least
for now.

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To: Silviu Cojocaru <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: New mail problem

Greetings.

I just wanted to note that I have my mail sorted by procmail into 44 (or
so) different inboxes and I have no problem with getting to each folder
with new mail...

I've set up my incoming folders list to include all those files that
procmail sorts my mail into and I am using the "cruising" features to just
use tab to go to the next folder with unread mails...

Just a suggestion.

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On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, at 05:05 -0500, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> i go to the [M]ain menu and then to [J]ournal to see the lates operations
> (like filtering mail to folders).
>
> that's the best you can do for now.

Yeah, I've discovered that a little bit after sending this mail. I'll
forward to the list another solution that was kindly suggested.

>
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:
>
> >
> > This thing is starting to drive me nuts. I'm on a lot of mailing lists and
> > accordingly, I receive a lot of mail. So I set up filters in pine to get
> > all the mail to its proper place (folder). My problem is that I find it
> > _very_ hard to go from folder to folder (their number is >20) in search of
> > the new emails. I have written to the pine devel team about adding some
> > visual feedback when a folder has new messgaes in it. They told me that
> > this is one of their TODO items, in the mean time, is there any way, to
> > work around that jumping from folder to folder. Maybe, some way to stall
> > the filters, and read all the new messages (while in INBOX), and after
> > that apply them and send the mail to the folders?
>

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On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

> Whenever I try replying to people I get this prompt:
> Reply to all recipients?
>
> Who would be "all recipients" since the mail recipient is me ?

"recipients" are anyone getting the message including all Cc:'s.

> Why should PINE ask if I would like to mail me ? (that's nonsense)
> Why doesn't pine go straight ahead on replying to the sender ?
>
> Now this is a "feature" that we, "recipients", should be able to turn off.

Also, it may be that you have multiple possibilities for your To: address
and pine doesn't really think the To: is you.

You can add addresses to alt-addresses in your configuration to get around
this.

Ed

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When I'm reading a newsgroup or mailing list I like to first
select all the messages I want to read and then read them. The
way I do this now is to page through the index and mark the
messages I want to read by typing `:' which means SelectCur, and
then zoom in on the selected messages by typing `Z'. I almost
always want to select an entire thread or subject rather than
just some of the messages in the thread. It would be great if I
could use a single keystroke to select a subject or a thread.

Thanks for considering this!
^X,
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Hai,

Is it possile to set colors in pine 3.90? If so please let me know.

Thanks in advance,
Raja.

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i believe it was v. 4.20

http://www.washington.edu/pine/changes/4.10-to-4.20.html

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, V V Raja Rao wrote:

> Hai,
>
> Is it possile to set colors in pine 3.90? If so please let me know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Raja.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, V V Raja Rao wrote:

> Is it possile to set colors in pine 3.90? If so please let me know.

No. You can work around it by setting the foreground/background
colors of your terminal first. In Linux this is done with
"setterm". I dunno about other OS's.

Why not just upgrade to 4.33, or otherwise convince your sysadmin
to do so? It is pretty simple to do.

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Sorry, somebody know which are the options with the keyboard for copy and
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Someone on our site has reported to me that Pine appears to store
user-id and personal name in the NT registry and to use these in
preference to the values in the appropriate pinerc. (This came up after
a corruption that damaged the values in the registry).

Is this true? If so, is it appropriate behaviour?

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Hello...

What version of PC-Pine is being used??

I currently run PC-Pine 4.33 on NT and I don't have any registry keys
other then the location of the Pinerc file and the location of the
pine.exe.

Does anyone else have other registry keys??

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--> Someone on our site has reported to me that Pine appears to store
--> user-id and personal name in the NT registry and to use these in
--> preference to the values in the appropriate pinerc. (This came up after
--> a corruption that damaged the values in the registry).
-->
--> Is this true? If so, is it appropriate behaviour?
-->
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, William R. Van Kuyk wrote:

> Hello...
>
> What version of PC-Pine is being used??
>
> I currently run PC-Pine 4.33 on NT and I don't have any registry keys
> other then the location of the Pinerc file and the location of the
> pine.exe.
>
> Does anyone else have other registry keys??

If you run "pine -registry dump", it will show you all of the registry
keys that pine sets. Pine uses the pinerc and pine.exe keys. The other
keys get set so that other programs (like IE) can fire up pine. Pine does
not set user-id and personal name in the registry.

Jeff

ps. "-registry clear" and "-registry set" options can also be useful if
you think the registry has the wrong data in it.

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Barry,
The command "pine -registry dump" will show what it has put in the
registry.

-teg

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Barry Landy wrote:

> Someone on our site has reported to me that Pine appears to store
> user-id and personal name in the NT registry and to use these in
> preference to the values in the appropriate pinerc. (This came up after
> a corruption that damaged the values in the registry).
>
> Is this true? If so, is it appropriate behaviour?
>
>

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On Mar 12, 2001 at 08:08, Angel G. Polanco Rodriguez wrote:

>Sorry, somebody know which are the options with the keyboard for copy and
>paste text?

Ctrl-k and Ctrl-u.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Satya wrote:

> >Sorry, somebody know which are the options with the keyboard for copy and
> >paste text?
> Ctrl-k and Ctrl-u.

ctrl-k cuts text, and ctrl-u uncuts it. The operations occur in place.

In the Unix version of Pine, to copy text, select it and press
ctrl-insert. To paste, move the cursor to where you want the text to be
and press shift-insert.

Lea

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Occasionally, a user will leave multiple Pine sessions running for a long
period of time, and I'm trying to figure out if Pine is creating a .lock
file or not. The lock file will be username.lock, but the owner is root.
After the .lock file is created, sendmail locks up after multiple emails
are sent to the user (I think 10), thus halting all mail traffic to/from
that host.

Is Pine doing this, or does Sendmail have something to do with this?
Anyone have any similar problems? Any ideas, thoughts, etc?

Thanks,

Robert

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Addendum: the relevant directory is /var/spool/mail, not /var/spool. My
apologies.

Robert

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Robert Larmon wrote:

>
> Occasionally, a user will leave multiple Pine sessions running for a long
> period of time, and I'm trying to figure out if Pine is creating a .lock
> file or not. The lock file will be username.lock, but the owner is root.
> After the .lock file is created, sendmail locks up after multiple emails
> are sent to the user (I think 10), thus halting all mail traffic to/from
> that host.
>
> Is Pine doing this, or does Sendmail have something to do with this?
> Anyone have any similar problems? Any ideas, thoughts, etc?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
>
>
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*** Robert Larmon ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Occasionally, a user will leave multiple Pine sessions running for a long
:) period of time, and I'm trying to figure out if Pine is creating a .lock
:) file or not. The lock file will be username.lock, but the owner is root.
:) After the .lock file is created, sendmail locks up after multiple emails
:) are sent to the user (I think 10), thus halting all mail traffic to/from
:) that host.

It is my understanding that Pine creates locks files, when rewriting the
inbox. Did you chage the protection of /var/spool/mail to 1777?

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Robert Larmon ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) Occasionally, a user will leave multiple Pine sessions running for a long
> :) period of time, and I'm trying to figure out if Pine is creating a .lock
> :) file or not. The lock file will be username.lock, but the owner is root.
> :) After the .lock file is created, sendmail locks up after multiple emails
> :) are sent to the user (I think 10), thus halting all mail traffic to/from
> :) that host.
>
> It is my understanding that Pine creates locks files, when rewriting the
> inbox. Did you chage the protection of /var/spool/mail to 1777?

The protection is 1777 (and always has been, I'm pretty sure)

Robert

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Angel G. Polanco Rodriguez wrote:

>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:08:08 -0600 (CST)
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>
>Sorry, somebody know which are the options with the keyboard for copy and
>paste text?
>
>Thanks in advance by the help.

As others have said, ctrl-k & ctrl-u do it, however that doesn't
tell you how to mark text. ctrl-6 does that.

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On Mar 12, 2001 at 10:40, Lea wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Satya wrote:
>> Ctrl-k and Ctrl-u.
>
>ctrl-k cuts text, and ctrl-u uncuts it. The operations occur in place.

^k<arrow keys>^u is cut and paste. What do you mean, "in place"?

To select multilpe complete lines, use ^k many times. To select parts
of a line or lines, use the mark command, usually ^^. On my terminal,
^6 works. To stop marking, use the same keystroke.

>In the Unix version of Pine, to copy text, select it and press
>ctrl-insert. To paste, move the cursor to where you want the text to be
>and press shift-insert.

In PC-Pine, you mean?

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Is it possible to specify both the server name and port number in
the pine config? If so, perhaps the help screen that pops
up when hitting ctrl-? in the smtp server field could be
updated to reflect this and also specify the syntax used too.

I'd guess it is servername:port but assuming things is bad.

My reason for asking is I need two different sendmail's running
on my machine, one that queues for local delivery via my ISP for
regular mail, and a separate one which queue's mail for private
delivery elsewhere. I want to point PINE at the private queue to
ensure all private mail goes through there, and all mail from the
rest of the system, etc goes to localhost:25.

IOW

localhost:25 is the normal system sendmail listening, and
localhost:2525 is a secondary sendmail which has DS set to
"blahblah.net" and PINE uses localhost:2525 to send mail
privately.

This of course also needs info on how to set up 2 separate
instances of sendmail on one host listening on different ports,
with different config files, but that would be OT here. ;o)

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Satya wrote:

> On Mar 12, 2001 at 08:08, Angel G. Polanco Rodriguez wrote:
>
> >Sorry, somebody know which are the options with the keyboard for copy and
> >paste text?
>
> Ctrl-k and Ctrl-u.

Well, it's not quite so simple as that :-) There are about 40 different
ways to copy text around, and in addition you can bind many commands to
any key you want.

The simplest way is to have prefix on. In that case, entering "c" (for
a single line), or "cc" at on the first & last lines of a block will
mark those lines. Then entering "f" or "p" on a line will copy the
marked lines following or previous to the line. There's also an "m"
prefix command that moves instead of copying, and a " that copies lines
directly following the marked ones. You can also apply a numeric
modifier to copy multiple instances...

Are you confused yet?

There are also ways to mark lines, boxes, or streams of text, and to
move, copy, or delete them. These can be bound to whatever key you like
- I don't happen to remember the defaults, but if you look for a string
line "mark box" in the manual, you should find them.

I believe there's also a way to do the same thing with the mouse, though
I've never tried it.

Hope this helps. THE does have a bit of a learning curve, but it's more
than worth it.

James

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, James wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Satya wrote:
>
> > On Mar 12, 2001 at 08:08, Angel G. Polanco Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> > >Sorry, somebody know which are the options with the keyboard for copy and
> > >paste text?
> >
> > Ctrl-k and Ctrl-u.
>
> Well, it's not quite so simple as that :-) There are about 40 different
> ways to copy text around, and in addition you can bind many commands to
> any key you want.

OOPS! Ignore that message. Thought I was working on the editor mailing
list. Sorry about that.

James

PS: Though if you want it to work that way, just set the alternate
editor to THE...

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Well, it's not _quite_ what you want, but use of the aggregate command can
get you awfully close and it even avoids problems created by a few email
clients when composing replies to messages in a thread.

Let's assume that the unique string in the thread that I want to read is
"Pine 4.33 and mail forwarding"; with aggregate commands turned on in my
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;
t
s
pine 4.33 and mail forwarding
<enter>

Since I have autozoom turned on, the only messages I see at this point are
those with the given text in the subject line. Position the cursor at the
first message (Control-W followed by Control-Y) and begin reading.

The item I mentioned about problems created by some email clients is that
this method will capture _all_ messages with this subject. Some email
clients that I've seen place some word such as "Memo" at the beginning of
the subject line when replaying and having a one-key to select based on
the contents of a given field would not capture both the messages without
such a prefix and those with it. I am not referring here to the standard
"Re:" that is already accounted for by many sort routines.

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I am using the latest ver of pine on a linux box. I am able to connect to
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I am using the latest ver of pine on a linux box. I =
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At 10:40am on Mar 12, 2001, Lea spake thusly:

> In the Unix version of Pine, to copy text, select it and press
> ctrl-insert. To paste, move the cursor to where you want the text to be
> and press shift-insert.

And just how do you "select" this text? If I wanted to copy the above
quoted material, give me a step-by-step explanation. BTW, I have tried
this and I'm pretty sure it's something specific to the emulator you're
using and that it's _not_ a Pine key sequence.

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Hello together, perhaps anyone's got some hint ?
Having defined number of filter sets
according to patterns in from:addresses -
we want to direct mails to certain folders.
But they won't work. What else should we do to
really make it filter ?

TIA and kind regards, hal ;-)

Base: Pine 4.21 and Linux

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Ok I have set my inbox-path to the list below....

nbox-path={MAILSERVER/imap/user=USERNAME}INBOX

I have also verified that imap has been enabled. I did a telnet
exchangeserver 143 and it answered back with ok Microsoft exchange IMAPrev1
server version 5.5.2652.42(exchangeserver)ready. However when I tried to
send mail, my linux box is still using sendmail and not exchange to do the
sending. When I put the exchange server in the smtp-server listing and tried
to send mail it tells me that it has refused my connection.
(I still can read mail just fine on my inbox on the exchange server)

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: William R. Van Kuyk
To: Douglas Hussey
Sent: 3/13/01 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pine Exchange

I have the same set up and I have no issues.

Try using this for your inbox "path"

inbox-path={MAILSERVER/imap/user=USERNAME}INBOX

Also verify that IMAP has been enabled on the exchange server.

On Mar 13, 2001 at 07:45 -0800 Douglas Hussey wrote:

--> Howdy
-->
--> I am using the latest ver of pine on a linux box. I am able to
connect
--> to our exchange server.(Our exchange server is setup to use outlook)
I
--> have set the inbox path to {exchangeserver/user=me}inbox This works
just
--> fine. However, when I try and send mail the exchange server gives me
an
--> error message saying it will not accept my connection. I know I have
--> something set wrong. (I have listed the exchange in the smtp server
--> section and this does not work also).
-->
--> Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. Thanks for the help
-->
--> Doug
-->
-->

William R. Van Kuyk
Network Engineer
Department of Operations
mailto:[email protected]

Internet Commerce Corporation
45 Research Way - Suite 206
East Setauket, NY 11733
631-590-1010 x5104

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<META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
5.5.2652.35">
<TITLE>Pine Exchange</TITLE>
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 Ok I have set my inbox-path to the list =
below....


nbox-path=3D{MAILSERVER/imap/user=3DUSERNAME}INBOX


I have also verified that imap has been enabled. I =
did a telnet exchangeserver 143 and it answered  back with ok =
Microsoft exchange IMAPrev1 server version =
5.5.2652.42(exchangeserver)ready. However when I tried to send mail, my =
linux box is still using sendmail and not exchange to do the sending. =
When I put the exchange server in the smtp-server listing and tried to =
send mail it tells me that it has refused my connection.

(I still can read mail just fine on my inbox on the =
exchange server)

 

Doug

 
 

-----Original Message-----
 From: William R. Van Kuyk
 To: Douglas Hussey
 Sent: 3/13/01 8:16 AM
 Subject: Re: Pine Exchange


I have the same set up and I have no issues.


Try using this for your inbox "path"


inbox-path=3D{MAILSERVER/imap/user=3DUSERNAME}INBOX


Also verify that IMAP has been enabled on the =
exchange server.

 

On Mar 13, 2001 at 07:45 -0800 Douglas Hussey =
wrote:


--> Howdy
 -->
 --> I am using the latest ver of pine on a linux =
box. I am able to
 connect
 --> to our exchange server.(Our exchange server =
is setup to use outlook)
 I
 --> have set the inbox path to =
{exchangeserver/user=3Dme}inbox This works
 just
 --> fine. However, when I try and send mail the =
exchange server gives me
 an
 --> error message saying it will not accept my =
connection. I know I have
 --> something set wrong. (I have listed the =
exchange in the smtp server
 --> section and this does not work also).
 -->
 --> Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. =
Thanks for the help
 -->
 --> Doug
 -->
 -->


William R. Van Kuyk
 Network Engineer
 Department of Operations
 <A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</A>


Internet Commerce Corporation
 45 Research Way - Suite 206
 East Setauket, NY  11733
 631-590-1010 x5104


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:) they won't work. What else should we do to really make it filter ?

So, how did you exactly define one of the filters that did not work?. Your
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Walt Smith wrote:

> At 10:40am on Mar 12, 2001, Lea spake thusly:
>
> > In the Unix version of Pine, to copy text, select it and press
> > ctrl-insert. To paste, move the cursor to where you want the text to be
> > and press shift-insert.
>
> And just how do you "select" this text? If I wanted to copy the above
> quoted material, give me a step-by-step explanation. BTW, I have tried
> this and I'm pretty sure it's something specific to the emulator you're
> using and that it's _not_ a Pine key sequence.

1. Position your cursor at the beginning of what you want to select.

2. Press the "select" key. Pine (actually Pico) expects a control-caret (hex
1E). Your emulator must be able to send this key. Mine does it on
control-shift-6.

3. Move the cursor to the end of your selection. As you move, the selected
data should be highlighted.

4. Press control-K to delete the highlighted text. That is, control-K will
delete highlighted text if a highlight exists; otherwise it will delete a
line.

HTH

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*** Douglas Hussey ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) nbox-path={MAILSERVER/imap/user=USERNAME}INBOX

Douglas,

Do you mean to say that defining

smtp-server = MAILSERVER/user=USERNAME

fails with a refused connection message?. Talk to the people offering you
the smtp service. By the way, the fact that you can telnet to port 143
does not imply smtp service which is offered (usually) in port 25, so try
to telnet to port 25 to verify the existence of the service.

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Silly question, but can you send mail through your exchange server using a
another pop client?? Have you tried outlook?? If those don't work either
it might be exchange....

There is a security setting within exchange that will block the sending of
email based on IP or domain.

On Mar 13, 2001 at 11:16 -0800 Douglas Hussey wrote:

--> Ok I have set my inbox-path to the list below....
-->
--> nbox-path={MAILSERVER/imap/user=USERNAME}INBOX
-->
--> I have also verified that imap has been enabled. I did a telnet
--> exchangeserver 143 and it answered back with ok Microsoft exchange
--> IMAPrev1 server version 5.5.2652.42(exchangeserver)ready. However when I
--> tried to send mail, my linux box is still using sendmail and not
--> exchange to do the sending. When I put the exchange server in the
--> smtp-server listing and tried to send mail it tells me that it has
--> refused my connection.
-->
--> (I still can read mail just fine on my inbox on the exchange server)
-->
-->
--> Doug
-->
-->
-->
--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: William R. Van Kuyk
--> To: Douglas Hussey
--> Sent: 3/13/01 8:16 AM
--> Subject: Re: Pine Exchange
-->
--> I have the same set up and I have no issues.
-->
--> Try using this for your inbox "path"
-->
--> inbox-path={MAILSERVER/imap/user=USERNAME}INBOX
-->
--> Also verify that IMAP has been enabled on the exchange server.
-->
-->
--> On Mar 13, 2001 at 07:45 -0800 Douglas Hussey wrote:
-->
--> --> Howdy
--> -->
--> --> I am using the latest ver of pine on a linux box. I am able to
--> connect
--> --> to our exchange server.(Our exchange server is setup to use outlook)
-->
--> I
--> --> have set the inbox path to {exchangeserver/user=me}inbox This works
--> just
--> --> fine. However, when I try and send mail the exchange server gives me
-->
--> an
--> --> error message saying it will not accept my connection. I know I have
-->
--> --> something set wrong. (I have listed the exchange in the smtp server
--> --> section and this does not work also).
--> -->
--> --> Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. Thanks for the help
--> -->
--> --> Doug
--> -->
--> -->
-->
--> William R. Van Kuyk
--> Network Engineer
--> Department of Operations
--> mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
-->
--> Internet Commerce Corporation
--> 45 Research Way - Suite 206
--> East Setauket, NY 11733
--> 631-590-1010 x5104
-->
-->

William R. Van Kuyk
Network Engineer
Department of Operations
mailto:[email protected]

Internet Commerce Corporation
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> :) Having defined number of filter sets according to patterns in
> :) from:addresses - we want to direct mails to certain folders. But
> :) they won't work. What else should we do to really make it filter ?
> So, how did you exactly define one of the filters that did not work?. Your
> question is too general, make it a little bit more precise, please.
m main menue
s setup
r rules
f filter
a add
filter name: pine1
from pattern: pine-info@
Current folder type: (*) e-mail
INBOX
filter action (*) move to folder p
relative name,
i.e. presumed /home/<myname>/Mail/p

e exit
y yes
e exit
y yes

was supposed to make Pine direct most mails from pine-info into folder p.
another filter set pine2 concerns cc patterns.
None of these works, neither after restart.
Any hints ?
TIA, kind regards, hal ;-)

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*** h.bork wrote on pine-info list on 2001-03-13 at 22:03 +0100:

| from pattern: pine-info@

Put [email protected] in `sender pattern'. You'll require
only 1 filter that way.

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*** h.bork ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) from pattern: pine-info@
:) filter action (*) move to folder p

Two recommendations that come to my head, although they may not be
necessary, try them anyway:

1) write the complet address of the list ([email protected])
and
2) give the full path to the folder that you want to save to.

Hopefully that will work.

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Um ... as you so correctly pointed out, Bob, that deletes the highlighted
text but I thought we were talking about _copying_ text, not simply moving
it to a new location. I suppose one could:

1. Mark and cut the material.

2. Move to where it's supposed to be _copied_ and use Control-U to paste
it.

3. Return to the original spot and press Control-U a second time ...
provided that the first Control-U didn't empty the buffer. I haven't
tested this out.

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This wasn't meant for me, but I am forwarding it to the list.....

This is a reply to Doug's original email

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:39:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Preston Wade <[email protected]>
To: William R. Van Kuyk <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine Exchange

I think what you are trying to accomplish is to have pine act the same way
as Outlook. The problem I think is that it will not. Outlook talks to
exchange via a proprietary protocol. All of the third party clients I
have use have to be configured to use smtp for outbound mail.

Thanks,
Preston

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, William R. Van Kuyk wrote:

> Silly question, but can you send mail through your exchange server using a
> another pop client?? Have you tried outlook?? If those don't work either
> it might be exchange....
>
> There is a security setting within exchange that will block the sending of
> email based on IP or domain.
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2001 at 11:16 -0800 Douglas Hussey wrote:
>
> --> Ok I have set my inbox-path to the list below....
> -->
> --> nbox-path={MAILSERVER/imap/user=USERNAME}INBOX
> -->
> --> I have also verified that imap has been enabled. I did a telnet
> --> exchangeserver 143 and it answered back with ok Microsoft exchange
> --> IMAPrev1 server version 5.5.2652.42(exchangeserver)ready. However when I
> --> tried to send mail, my linux box is still using sendmail and not
> --> exchange to do the sending. When I put the exchange server in the
> --> smtp-server listing and tried to send mail it tells me that it has
> --> refused my connection.
> -->
> --> (I still can read mail just fine on my inbox on the exchange server)
> -->
> -->
> --> Doug
> -->
> -->
> -->
> --> -----Original Message-----
> --> From: William R. Van Kuyk
> --> To: Douglas Hussey
> --> Sent: 3/13/01 8:16 AM
> --> Subject: Re: Pine Exchange
> -->
> --> I have the same set up and I have no issues.
> -->
> --> Try using this for your inbox "path"
> -->
> --> inbox-path={MAILSERVER/imap/user=USERNAME}INBOX
> -->
> --> Also verify that IMAP has been enabled on the exchange server.
> -->
> -->
> --> On Mar 13, 2001 at 07:45 -0800 Douglas Hussey wrote:
> -->
> --> --> Howdy
> --> -->
> --> --> I am using the latest ver of pine on a linux box. I am able to
> --> connect
> --> --> to our exchange server.(Our exchange server is setup to use outlook)
> -->
> --> I
> --> --> have set the inbox path to {exchangeserver/user=me}inbox This works
> --> just
> --> --> fine. However, when I try and send mail the exchange server gives me
> -->
> --> an
> --> --> error message saying it will not accept my connection. I know I have
> -->
> --> --> something set wrong. (I have listed the exchange in the smtp server
> --> --> section and this does not work also).
> --> -->
> --> --> Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. Thanks for the help
> --> -->
> --> --> Doug
> --> -->
> --> -->
> -->
> --> William R. Van Kuyk
> --> Network Engineer
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On Mar 13, 2001 at 14:54, Walt Smith wrote:

>1. Mark and cut the material.

Paste it again, immediately, without moving the cursor. Saves you
having to come back later.

>2. Move to where it's supposed to be _copied_ and use Control-U to paste
>it.

..again.

Right.

>provided that the first Control-U didn't empty the buffer. I haven't

^U doesn't empty the buffer.

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On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:47:14 -0500 (EST), Matt Soccio wrote:
> I updated Pine to the latest version (4.33) to get the SSL support. I am
> able to connect to port 143 with Pine, but I am unable to make a useful
> connection over port 993.

Did you build Pine with SSL support? Unlike the PC Pine binary, the pre-built
UNIX binaries on UW's FTP site are not built with SSL!

> {server:993/user="user"}INBOX
> {server:993/novalidate-cert/user="user"}INBOX

Won't work. Asks for non-SSL IMAP session on port 993 (SSL IMAP)

> {server/ssl/novalidate-cert/user="user"}INBOX
> {server:993/ssl/novalidate-cert/user="user"}INBOX

Will work with an SSL-built Pine to any SSL IMAP server.

> {server/ssl/user="user"}INBOX
> {server:993/ssl/user="user"}INBOX

Will work with an SSL-built Pine to an SSL IMAP server with certification
authority signed certificates.

> and all of these settings cause Pine to claim that there is an invalid
> remote specification.

That indicates that you're using a non-SSL Pine.

> Does anyone know of a way to get more debug info so that can see more
> of what is going on between pine and imaps?

The fact that the server syslog indicated that no SSL negotiation was ever
attempted, and that you got "invalid remote specification" from Pine should
have suggested to you that maybe something was wrong with Pine. Indeed
something was, you tried to use SSL with a Pine that didn't have SSL.

> Does the /novalidate-cert qualifier
> work with this version of Pine?

With an SSL-enabled Pine, yes.

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I frequently find myself writing messages in foreign languages, and as of yet
I haven't been able to find a convenient way to write characters with accents
or n with ~ yet. I've always been able to read them just fine, but never write
them.

Is there an easy way to write these extended or accented characters in Pine?
What other foreign language support is there in Pine?

Thanks,
Mac Newbold

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*** Mac Newbold ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Is there an easy way to write these extended or accented characters
:) in Pine? What other foreign language support is there in Pine?

Everything depends on the meaning of the word "easy". Probably you have
set your character-set variable to something like "iso-8859-1", so that
you can read them fine.

There are several ways to input these kind of characters, here go some
suggestions:

1) Press ESC ESC n, where "n" is a number, when n is 234 you will see th=
e
letter =EA, when n is 233 you'll see =E9, etc. "n" is the ascii code of t=
he
letter you want to input.

2) Apply a patch that I wrote that allows you to input those characters
in the "latex" way, if you apply the patch, you need to press CTRL-\ to
input the accent, then type the accent type and finally the letter over
which you'll put the accent, so ^\'a =3D =E1, ^\"e =3D =EB, ^\~n =3D =F1,=
etc. The
complete description of all the "accents" that are supported, together
with the patch can be found in my web site (address below).

3) use some type of script and use sending-filters to do the job.

--=20
Eduardo
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Mac Newbold wrote:

> I frequently find myself writing messages in foreign languages, and as
> of yet I haven't been able to find a convenient way to write
> characters with accents or n with ~ yet. I've always been able to read
> them just fine, but never write them.

I input them fine from my normal keyboard.

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In the incoming folders list, it would be nice if you could
change the order of the folders right in the PINE UI. Currently,
new folders are added to the end regardless of sort order or
other mechanics. I then quit PINE and edit the .pinerc and
reorder the folders to my liking.

I never even thought of requesting it as a feature until now, but
it would indeed make a useful feature.

If there is some way of doing this already, please let me know.

TIA

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Mike,
There is a $ $huffle command when you are in the incoming folders list.
This was added fairly recently (maybe 4.30?).

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*** Henrik Edlund ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I input them fine from my normal keyboard.

The original question refers to what do you do when you can't really inpu=
t
these accents from your keyboard. I spent a long time writing incorrect
spanish before I found a way to input an accent, since I could not do it
from my keyboard. The patch I use today was my second try, I used to use
sending-filters to do it, and entered something like \'e, which the filte=
r
interpreted as =E9. Today I have a keyboard (well, not all the time) that
allows me to enter accents from the keyboard, but there's no logic about
which combination of keys gives you which accent. Pine's interface to
enter special characters means that you need to learn a couple of ascii
codes, for spanish this number is 14, for french it's much more. It's too
much. When you can't do this input from the keyboard one needs a way to d=
o
this, that will be easy to remember and that uses the minimal amount of
kestrokes. I would love to listen any suggestion on how to do this.

--=20
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Steve Hubert wrote:

> There is a $ $huffle command when you are in the incoming folders list.
>This was added fairly recently (maybe 4.30?).

ARGH!! I figured it should be there and looked to no avail. I
guess i should have looked harder. I knew that either it would
be a useful feature request or else someone would embarass me by
pointing it out. ;o)

Thanks for the pointer Steve, it works great.

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Hello, Eduardo!

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Henrik Edlund ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
> today:
>
> :) I input them fine from my normal keyboard.
>
> The original question refers to what do you do when you can't really
> input
> these accents from your keyboard. I spent a long time writing
> incorrect
> spanish before I found a way to input an accent, since I could not do
> it
> from my keyboard. The patch I use today was my second try, I used to
> use
> sending-filters to do it, and entered something like \'e, which the
> filter
> interpreted as =E9. Today I have a keyboard (well, not all the time) th=
at
> allows me to enter accents from the keyboard, but there's no logic
> about
> which combination of keys gives you which accent. Pine's interface to
> enter special characters means that you need to learn a couple of ascii
> codes, for spanish this number is 14, for french it's much more. It's
> too
> much. When you can't do this input from the keyboard one needs a way to
> do
> this, that will be easy to remember and that uses the minimal amount of
> kestrokes. I would love to listen any suggestion on how to do this.

In Linux kernels, there's a possibility to describe key combinations that
are composed together to produce a single input character on a console.

Perhaps, that's a well-known feature...

Anyway, here's an example: one, having console-tools installed, can do th=
e
following:

# find out what the code for Right Alt is:

$ showkey --timeout 3
kb mode was XLATE

press any key (program terminates after 3s of last keypress)...
keycode 28 release
keycode 100 press
keycode 100 release

# load a keymap

$ loadkeys
plain keycode 100 =3D Compose
compose ''' 'e' to '=E9'
^D

# Now one can press Right Alt, then ', then e, and he'll get an =E9 in th=
e
# input (for me that's a Russian letter).

In fact, usually, all this hasn't to be done, because many useful compose
rules are already loaded by default. To find out whether it is so, you ca=
n
run:

$ dumpkeys -1 | grep Compose
control keycode 52 =3D Compose
plain keycode 100 =3D Compose
$ dumpkeys | grep compose

Probably there are similar tools in kbd package, too. I do not know
anything about other Unices.

Best regards,
Ivan

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I'm running pine 4.33 on FreeBSD and trying to access some mail files
stored on a FAT filesystem mounted thusly:

/dev/ad0s1 /win msdos rw,-u=casner,-g=staff 0 0

Access to mbx files works fine, but when I try to access a Berkeley
mail format file, I first get "[Opening "mail.foo" <-> ]" with a disk
access happening once per second for a long time, then "Mailbox
/win/casner/mail/mail.foo is locked, will override in 300 seconds..."
(BTW, it counts down at a rate of about 15 seconds every 5 seconds).
At that point, the mailbox is opened.

I've read the locking.txt documentation, I've run debug -9, and I'm
looking a the sources, but I haven't figured out what is going on.
I see several modules in pine and c-client which print this warning,
and I'm not sure which is involved. I have not figured out where in
the code it does while it is initially stuck trying to open the file.

If I create a folder collection in a directory of the Unix filesystem
and put there a symlink to the file /win/casner/mail/mail.foo, then
the open works without delay. Therefore, my guess is that pine is
having trouble either reading or creating a lock file, and that pine
does not following the symlink of the mail file to try to put the lock
file in the same directory. (I did see some code to make sure that
the lock file itself is not a symlink, but maybe there's not check for
the mail file being a symlink.)

Is the problem that as I have mounted the FAT filesystem the files all
appear to be owned by "casner" and pine is trying to create the lock
file as somebody else?

Or perhaps that the FAT filesystem doesn't allow linking? I see a
comment about FAT filesystems on linux in crexcl() not allowing
linking, so the lock file is created directly instead. Would that not
work in my situation for some reason?
-- Steve

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Hello:

Does anyone have any information on the internationalisation/localisation
effort for Pine?I request you to kindly give me the pointers to any info
on this, if any.

Thankyou

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The attached text is an email I have received and pine says that it's text
is "enriched". Well that text causes pine to go nuts with it's colors and
after reading it, all text goes to a bright white color, like it's bold or
something.

What's going on ? IMHO it's definetly a bug.

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Your using a Unix pine and it wants to do it's thing with files on a FAT
filesystem. This won't work. The windows pine does things properly using
FAT. Your solution, using sim links is proper and works. Be happy.

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Stephen Casner wrote:

> I'm running pine 4.33 on FreeBSD and trying to access some mail files
> stored on a FAT filesystem mounted thusly:
>
> /dev/ad0s1 /win msdos rw,-u=casner,-g=staff 0 0
>
> Access to mbx files works fine, but when I try to access a Berkeley
> mail format file, I first get "[Opening "mail.foo" <-> ]" with a disk
> access happening once per second for a long time, then "Mailbox
> /win/casner/mail/mail.foo is locked, will override in 300 seconds..."
> (BTW, it counts down at a rate of about 15 seconds every 5 seconds).
> At that point, the mailbox is opened.
>
> I've read the locking.txt documentation, I've run debug -9, and I'm
> looking a the sources, but I haven't figured out what is going on.
> I see several modules in pine and c-client which print this warning,
> and I'm not sure which is involved. I have not figured out where in
> the code it does while it is initially stuck trying to open the file.
>
> If I create a folder collection in a directory of the Unix filesystem
> and put there a symlink to the file /win/casner/mail/mail.foo, then
> the open works without delay. Therefore, my guess is that pine is
> having trouble either reading or creating a lock file, and that pine
> does not following the symlink of the mail file to try to put the lock
> file in the same directory. (I did see some code to make sure that
> the lock file itself is not a symlink, but maybe there's not check for
> the mail file being a symlink.)
>
> Is the problem that as I have mounted the FAT filesystem the files all
> appear to be owned by "casner" and pine is trying to create the lock
> file as somebody else?
>
> Or perhaps that the FAT filesystem doesn't allow linking? I see a
> comment about FAT filesystems on linux in crexcl() not allowing
> linking, so the lock file is created directly instead. Would that not
> work in my situation for some reason?
> -- Steve
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
> Your using a Unix pine and it wants to do it's thing with files on a FAT
> filesystem. This won't work. The windows pine does things properly using
> FAT. Your solution, using sim links is proper and works. Be happy.

Well, yes it works, but that means as I create new folders in the FAT
filesystem I have to manually create new symlinks from the Unix
filesystem to point to them. I suppose I could write a script.

The thing is, there are hints in the code that someone thought this
should work.
-- Steve

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I just thought I'd throw this out to the pine community.

One enhancement to pine that would be nice is to add attachment saving to
the filter actions. One could isolate a message with the current pattern
capabilities and then search a matched message for attachment(s) that fit
another pattern. Those attachments that match could then be saved to
disk.

If this already exists in some fashion... then I'll just sit quietly and
eat my shoe. :)

jared

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Hello,

I upgraded my UW imapd from v4.21 to v4.33 (both shipped with pine of that
particular release number).

It worked as usual, except with biff from Netscape Communicator packages
v4.7x (biff == the small Netscape Mail Notification util).
Biff is entitled to use the same authentification information as the
Messenger itself and everybody using the IMAP protocoll is effected.

When an user logs in into imapd v4.33 using the Netscape Messenger, the
logfile reads [compacted]:

imapd[446]: [ID 576018 mail.debug] port 32804 service init from 127.0.0.1
imapd[446]: [ID 666661 mail.info] Authenticated user=XYZ host=localhost
imapd[446]: [ID 533678 mail.info] Logout user=XYZ host=localhost

["localhost" is correct, BTW.]

Using "biff" the logfile reads [compacted]:
imapd[22008]: [ID 576018 mail.debug] port 56054 service init from 127.0.0.1
imapd[22008]: [ID 234311 mail.info] Login user=XYZ host=localhost
imapd[22008]: [ID 533678 mail.info] Logout user=XYZ host=localhost

BUT biff endlessly prompts for the user password.

Using biff with imapd v4.21 the logfile reads [compacted]:
imapd4.21[22250]: [ID 576018 mail.debug] port 56280 service init from
127.0.0.1
imapd4.21[22250]: [ID 234311 mail.info] Login user=XYZ host=localhost
imapd4.21[22250]: [ID 533678 mail.info] Logout user=XYZ host=localhost

[The different service name simply reflects the different file name.]

And biff successfully logs in into imapd.

===

Both demons were built using "build gs5" on Solaris 8 with GCC v2.95.2;
v4.33 automatically detected and included SSL, which is working.

ipop3d v4.33 and biff are working together as before.

===

Is there something I can do, so biff is working with v4.33? I want to
upgrade in order to use the SSL capabilities of UW imapd.

Regards,

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Hi there all,

I just downloaded, compiled and installed that latest Pine. Everything
seems to be working great, however there is one thing I cannot seem to work
out... Before, when there was a URL in a message, I could click it and it
would then ask me if I wanted to view the url in my externel viewer. I had
configured this to open in links. Ok, it worked great then, however now
when browsing through a message, the cursor doesn't even jump to the next
URL like it used to. What could be the problem here?

It does however find the "email management" part of E-mails from mailing
lists, just not URLs. What am I doing wrong?

Many thanks

Ralph
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*** Ralph Slooten ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) It does however find the "email management" part of E-mails from mailing
:) lists, just not URLs. What am I doing wrong?

I would suggest that you check if you have the following configuration
options enabled:

[X] enable-msg-view-urls
[X] enable-msg-view-web-hostnames

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Sorry, forgot to mention: Linux-Mandrake 7.2, Pine 4.33 ;-)

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Ralph Slooten wrote:

> Hi there all,
>
> I just downloaded, compiled and installed that latest Pine. Everything
> seems to be working great, however there is one thing I cannot seem to work
> out... Before, when there was a URL in a message, I could click it and it
> would then ask me if I wanted to view the url in my externel viewer. I had
> configured this to open in links. Ok, it worked great then, however now
> when browsing through a message, the cursor doesn't even jump to the next
> URL like it used to. What could be the problem here?
>
> It does however find the "email management" part of E-mails from mailing
> lists, just not URLs. What am I doing wrong?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ralph
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Dooooh, I missed that one... must have looked over it about 10 times ;-)
Thanks, works great =)

Ralph

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Ralph Slooten ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) It does however find the "email management" part of E-mails from mailing
> :) lists, just not URLs. What am I doing wrong?
>
> I would suggest that you check if you have the following configuration
> options enabled:
>
> [X] enable-msg-view-urls
> [X] enable-msg-view-web-hostnames
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>
>
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Hi,

Does anyone know if there is a way to save login information (login and
password) in PC-PINE, so one does not have to reenter it each time pine is
invoked?

Thanks,

---Andy

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*** Andy Malato ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Does anyone know if there is a way to save login information (login and
:) password) in PC-PINE, so one does not have to reenter it each time pine is
:) invoked?

Hello Andy,

In the same directory where the PINERC file, create an empty file called
"pine.pwd". After this, open Pine and you'll get a prompt about saving
the password there.

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Steffen Kaiser wrote:
> It worked as usual, except with biff from Netscape Communicator packages
> v4.7x (biff == the small Netscape Mail Notification util).

There is a known bug with the "nsnotify" program. That program does not
correctly implement IMAP protocol, and breaks with more modern IMAP
servers.

You should report the problem to Netscape.

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Hi,

I'd like to know, if is possible to view in folder list number of
unreaded, new and all messages in folders. Something like:

INBOX(2/3/20) linux(1/3/55) private(1/1/2)

Is this possible?

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Hi,
My problem is as follows:

Pine keeps dropping .pine-debug files
in my home directory. The only way to stop it is by
using the command line option "pine -d 0" every time I wish to start pine.
I expierience no notable problems when using pine, besides these files
appearing in my home directory every time I start the program without the
previously mentioned options.

After looking through the debug file I came accross the suscpicious line:

ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument

Does anyone know exactly what the problem is, or how to go about solving it?
If needed I will post the whole dubug file to the list.

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I am using PINE 4.21L.

I have accidentally pasted a line of text in my folder sections. Now
this line of text is the name of a folder. First I tried deleting the
folder, the delete failed. Next, I tried to rename the folder and then
delete it, but the rename failed. How can a get this folder deleted?

Thank You

Rebecca Goodwin
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Tarleton State University
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Create an alias so that when you enter

pine

at the prompt,

pine -d 0

is what's actually executed.

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On Mar 23, 2001 at 08:16, Rebecca Goodwin wrote:

>I am using PINE 4.21L.

>I have accidentally pasted a line of text in my folder sections. Now
>this line of text is the name of a folder. First I tried deleting the
>folder, the delete failed. Next, I tried to rename the folder and then
>delete it, but the rename failed. How can a get this folder deleted?

Go into the filesystem? Look in directory mail in the home
directory. Try rm.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Paul De Luca wrote:

> Pine keeps dropping .pine-debug files in my home directory. The
> only way to stop it is by using the command line option "pine -d
> 0" every time I wish to start pine.

http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.3

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*** Paul De Luca ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) After looking through the debug file I came accross the suscpicious line:
:)
:) ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument
:)
:) Does anyone know exactly what the problem is, or how to go about solving it?
:) If needed I will post the whole dubug file to the list.

That message is sent because Pine could not get the size of the screen
that you are using to run it. Below is the comment in the source code
about this failure. Does it apply to you?

/* Depending on the OS, the ioctl() may have failed because
of a 0 rows, 0 columns setting. That happens on DYNIX/ptx 1.3
(with a kernel patch that happens to involve the negotiation
of window size in the telnet streams module.) In this case
the error is EINVARG. Leave the default settings. */

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At 03:03 PM 23/03/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>*** Paul De Luca ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
>:) After looking through the debug file I came accross the suscpicious line:
>:)
>:) ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument
>:)
>:) Does anyone know exactly what the problem is, or how to go about
>solving it?
>:) If needed I will post the whole dubug file to the list.
>
>That message is sent because Pine could not get the size of the screen
>that you are using to run it. Below is the comment in the source code
>about this failure. Does it apply to you?
>
> /* Depending on the OS, the ioctl() may have failed because
> of a 0 rows, 0 columns setting. That happens on DYNIX/ptx 1.3
> (with a kernel patch that happens to involve the negotiation
> of window size in the telnet streams module.) In this case
> the error is EINVARG. Leave the default settings. */
>

Thanks for the reply,
Although I know that these files are only small,
and I never get more than four, I wasnt sure whether something seriously
wrong was happening that I was unaware of, or whether there was some quick
hack to stop it. Besides, a tidy /~ directory is a tidy mind ;) The comment
from the source code probably does apply to me, as I telnet into my unix
account, using pine to read my mail. Other pine users at my uni comment on
this problem, so I will be able to pass this info on. I will just have to
set up an alias like someone else recommended. Thanx again.

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Email: [email protected]
Ph: +61 414 225561
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This is a no-no. The line of text becomes a folder that is not
proper to pine and so not deletable by pine. The line of text is actually
a file name for a file in your /mail directory. I suggest you cd to
./mail and look at all the "folders" that are really files. Delete the
errrant one and go on.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Rebecca Goodwin wrote:

> I am using PINE 4.21L.
>
> I have accidentally pasted a line of text in my folder sections. Now
> this line of text is the name of a folder. First I tried deleting the
> folder, the delete failed. Next, I tried to rename the folder and then
> delete it, but the rename failed. How can a get this folder deleted?
>
> Thank You
>
> Rebecca Goodwin
> Systems Analyst
> Tarleton State University
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In pine 4.33 my news folders are single column only.

In pine 4.05 (with the same .pinerc) they are multiple column as always.

Is this a known bug or am I missing something?

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*** Bruce Cohen ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Mar...:

:) In pine 4.33 my news folders are single column only.
:)
:) In pine 4.05 (with the same .pinerc) they are multiple column as always.

I do not have that problem. Do the newsgroups that you subscribe to
have extremely long names?

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Well, a couple are a bit long, but they format just fine into two columns
in 4.05 without anything going offscreen or overlapping!

Does there seem to be a limit to line lenth in 4.33 as far as multiple
columns go?

Bruce

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> *** Bruce Cohen ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on Mar...:
>
> :) In pine 4.33 my news folders are single column only.
> :)
> :) In pine 4.05 (with the same .pinerc) they are multiple column as always.
>
> I do not have that problem. Do the newsgroups that you subscribe to
> have extremely long names?
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>
>
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I want to be able to access the pine-info lists from
ftp.cac.washington.edu from pine. I have just started using pine
with imap so I am not very familiar with how to make it work.

What is the proper procedure to add this to your pine mailer?

When I tried to add a new folder for pine-info, I typed the following
command in the folder list:

A (Add folder)

It returns with: Folder Name to Add:

I type: {ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]
and hit return.

When I do this, I get the error:

IMAP Protocol Error: Command Unrecognized: CREATE

Looking at a past post about this same subject (different problem)
the author of the note described putting this in the collection list.

I also attempted to do that by going to SETUP, selecting L and
creating a new collection.

In the Server field, I put {ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous} and
in the Path field, I put: pine/pine-info/[]

When I do a ^X to save it, it comes back with the same error as above
when I created the folder.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks

Sean Coleman
NIST

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*** Sean S Coleman ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I also attempted to do that by going to SETUP, selecting L and
:) creating a new collection.

Try the following settings when adding the collection:

Nickname : Anything
Server : ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous
Path : #public/pine/pine-info/
View :

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Hello to all,

1.
I'd like to know if there is any patch or some functionality that
provides
to compress Pine folders with gzip or any else.

I've read something that Mutt have a lot of patch and utilities that do
this.

2.
Related to PGP:

What is the best program to use with Pine: pgp4pine or the scripts that
comes with Pine (pgpdecode, pgpencode and pgpsign)?

Thanks very much,

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*** Nuno Teixeira ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) I'd like to know if there is any patch or some functionality that
:) provides to compress Pine folders with gzip or any else.

No such a patch or functionality exists today.

:) What is the best program to use with Pine: pgp4pine or the scripts that
:) comes with Pine (pgpdecode, pgpencode and pgpsign)?

I don't use PGP, but as far as I know Pine is not distributed with any
version of pgp, unless your linux distribution do so.

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Nuno Teixeira, at 23:38 +0100 on Wed, 28 Mar 2001, wrote:

What is the best program to use with Pine: pgp4pine or the scripts
that comes with Pine (pgpdecode, pgpencode and pgpsign)?

If you use GnuPG (http://www.gnupg.org/), I can recommend pgpenvelope,
http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/

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Hi,

I've taken a look on the archive but I can't
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>I've taken a look on the archive but I can't
>find what "Writing Fcc" means and why pine
>hangs. I just wanna send a mail.

This means "File Carbon Copy" -- each mail is automatically stored by
Pine into specified directory (see "Configuration - default-fcc: )

Regards

Murphy

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I just installed pine 4.33, & I'm trying to get it to connect to a POP
mail server.

If I do this:
inbox-path={mail.host.com}INBOX

I get an error, unable to open port 143. Since this is a POP server, and
not imap, the port is rejected.

So I modify the config line to this:
inbox-path={mail.host.com:110}INBOX

Pine now says that it received untagged ending response & hangs there
waiting for the server to send a proper end response.

Does anybody know what I'm doing wrong? Can you suggest a solution?
The remote mail server is using QPopper as the POP server.

Thanks

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*** Robert Dege ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I just installed pine 4.33, & I'm trying to get it to connect to a POP
:) mail server.

Define your inbox-path to be:

inbox-path={your.pop3.server/pop3/user=userid}INBOX

In any case, I would recomend you not to use this, add your pop3 folder as
an incoming folder, since the status of the folder will be updated every
time you open the folder. Defining your inbox to be a pop3 server, will
have the effect of never being able to update the status of the folder,
unless you quit Pine and restart Pine, of course.

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Thanks for the prompt reply.

Why is it that pine assumes the port to be 143 by default? Is there
anyway of changing the default port queried? Or would this require src
code alterations?

Let me see if I understand your response... I just want to make sure I
understand it correctly. If I set the inbox-path to the command specified
below, pine will only query the pop3 server once, during the whole time
that pine is open. In order to get more mail, I would have to quit out of
pine & restart it to have it query the pop3 mail server again. Is this
a correct interpretation?

Setting the folder as an incoming folder will not solve this problem, but
it will allow me to open & close the pop3 server folder without have to
exit & restart pine.

Is there an older version of pine that will query the default server as
pop3 first to help bypass this problem? I know that version 3.96 works
correctly, but I wanted to take advantage of certain ldap features that
are available.

Thanks.

-Rob

> *** Robert Dege ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) I just installed pine 4.33, & I'm trying to get it to connect to a POP
> :) mail server.
>
> Define your inbox-path to be:
>
> inbox-path={your.pop3.server/pop3/user=userid}INBOX
>
> In any case, I would recomend you not to use this, add your pop3 folder as
> an incoming folder, since the status of the folder will be updated every
> time you open the folder. Defining your inbox to be a pop3 server, will
> have the effect of never being able to update the status of the folder,
> unless you quit Pine and restart Pine, of course.
>
>

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*** Robert Dege ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Why is it that pine assumes the port to be 143 by default? Is there
:) anyway of changing the default port queried? Or would this require src
:) code alterations?

I think it's the c-client library that defaults to this. Pine is an
excellent IMAP client, but its POP3 support does not compare at all,
because of features like this. If I were to have to use POP3 with Pine I
would get some script that would download mail to the spool and read from
there.

:) Let me see if I understand your response...
<SNIP>
Yes you did understand correctly everything I said.

:) Is there an older version of pine that will query the default server as
:) pop3 first to help bypass this problem?

adding the pop3 flag to the inbox definition (the part that says "/pop3")
is what makes the trick. The sever will be queried as a POP3 server.

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I've got a few mbox files in my home directory (I don't remember why or how),
and I know I can read them with mail -f.

How can I read them with pine? I guess I could turn off all of my pine
config and make a new one, but this seems like a lot of work.

pine has -f for opening a specified folder, but it then tries to open
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pine has -F to open a file, but that then just views it like a pager, not
as a mail file.

Is there a way to get pine's interface with my local mbox files without
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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) I've got a few mbox files in my home directory (I don't remember why or how),
:) and I know I can read them with mail -f.
:)
:) How can I read them with pine?

Make a symbolic link:

ln ~/mbox ~/mail/mbox

then you can read your mbox folder as if it were in the mail/ directory.

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And it came to pass that Today, at 11:24am, Matt Ackeret said:

>I've got a few mbox files in my home directory (I don't remember why or how),
>and I know I can read them with mail -f.
..
>Is there a way to get pine's interface with my local mbox files without
>totally munging my setup? (I only really want to do this once, to go through
>them and probably nuke most of the stuff in there.)

I believe you can just copy the mbox files into your folder directory, then
they will show up as folders in your folder list, and you can read them
normally.

Mac

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Is enable-jump-shortcut unavailable in PC-Pine?
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote today:
>
>:) I've got a few mbox files in my home directory (I don't remember why or how),
>:) and I know I can read them with mail -f.
>:)
>:) How can I read them with pine?
>
>Make a symbolic link:
>
>ln ~/mbox ~/mail/mbox
>
>then you can read your mbox folder as if it were in the mail/ directory.

Well, I just moved the files in my mail directory in my home directory (after
I quit pine), and nothing changed.

btw, nothing in my mail directory has been touched in 2 years..
-rw------- 1 mattack apple_sw 505 Jan 29 1999 saved-messages
-rw------- 1 mattack apple_sw 505 Jan 29 1999 sent-mail

..because I am using IMAP to access my mailbox. Maybe I will have to add new
config info or something? or maybe just give up and use /usr/bin/mail..

or possibly I'm misunderstanding this and there's just no way to do it.

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On 29 Mar 2001 Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote:
> >*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote today:
> >:) I've got a few mbox files in my home directory (I don't
> >remember why or how), :) and I know I can read them with mail
> >-f.
> >:)
> >:) How can I read them with pine?
>
> Well, I just moved the files in my mail directory in my home
> directory (after I quit pine), and nothing changed.
>
> btw, nothing in my mail directory has been touched in 2 years..
> -rw------- 1 mattack apple_sw 505 Jan 29 1999 saved-messages
> -rw------- 1 mattack apple_sw 505 Jan 29 1999 sent-mail
>
> ...because I am using IMAP to access my mailbox. Maybe I will
> have to add new config info or something? or maybe just give
> up and use /usr/bin/mail..

There are a couple ways you can view these folders with pine. One
possibility is to use

pine -f /full/path/to/folder

e.g.

pine -f ~/mystery.mbox

or

pine -f ~/Mail/mystery.mbox

The reason `pine -f mystery.mbox' didn't work is because pine was
looking in your "default folder collection", which in your case,
is your remote IMAP-accessible collection and not your local
collection.

Another way to access these folders -- and to make it easy to
access local folders in the future -- is to add a *local* folder
collection to your Collection List. I describe how to do this on
my PC-Pine page in the section called

Setting Up Local and Remote Folder Collections

which is here

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#setFolders

Even though I wrote this for PC-Pine users, the directions work
for Unix Pine users.

Hope this helps,
^X,
Nancy

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Dear all,

some forwarded mails are disjoint in two mails by pine.
That happens when the included "From [email protected]" Line is not quoted
(regardless of the Content-Length: Field of the hole mail haeder).

Is there any way to see this kind of mails as one entry in the
index and have the hole header of the included mail in the body?
Is there such a funktion alredy or could this realised in future version?
I found nothing adequate by reading doks and faqs.
I'am the first with that problem?

Motivation:
- I get bounced emails form majordomo for approval with unqouted From line.
- I get some forwards from elm-users with unqouted From line.
- elm is able to check the beginn and end of this kind of emails as one.
- I'am happy with pine for long years and would stay in using pine.

best regards
Christoph Fleck

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, at 10:28 (GMT -0800), Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Robert Dege ([email protected]) wrote today:
>
> :) Why is it that pine assumes the port to be 143 by default? Is there
> :) anyway of changing the default port queried? Or would this require src
> :) code alterations?
>
> I think it's the c-client library that defaults to this. Pine is an
> excellent IMAP client, but its POP3 support does not compare at all,
> because of features like this. If I were to have to use POP3 with Pine I
> would get some script that would download mail to the spool and read from
> there.

Why a script when most distros out there (if not all) come with fetchmail.
So, to learn how to set up fetchmail, run man fetchmail. It's an excellent
POP3 and IMAP retriever.

Not that I advertise the thing, it doesn't need it and... that's what I
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Hi,

I tryed to configure the correct return path.
I saw some archive lists, but fixing customized-hdrs
would not make it. I made customized-hdrs=reply-To:[email protected]
even "" after = changes nothing.What Am I missing?

Thanks Tom

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> Why is it that pine assumes the port to be 143 by default? Is there
> anyway of changing the default port queried? Or would this require src
> code alterations?

Pine uses IMAP by default. This is port 143. IMAP is a different (superior
IMO) way of accessing mail.

> Let me see if I understand your response... I just want to make sure I
> understand it correctly. If I set the inbox-path to the command specified
> below, pine will only query the pop3 server once, during the whole time
> that pine is open. In order to get more mail, I would have to quit out of
> pine & restart it to have it query the pop3 mail server again. Is this
> a correct interpretation?

Yep. POP2 (probably 3 also) only allow the mail client to query the number of
total messages, not the number of new messages. The intent for POP is that
you download all of the messages to the local machine and delete them from the
server. Pine doesn't do this automatically. IMAP, on the other hand, is
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functionality is geared for that.

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I'm sure that this would have been observed earlier. If I go to the
configuration, and exit without making any changes, I get to see the
following (quoted from the journal file):

No Configuration changes saved
Changes to news-spool-directory will affect your next pine session.

If no changes are saved, then why do I get this message/warning?
(pine4.33 on linux 2.2.16)

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*** Mohit Agarwal ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) I'm sure that this would have been observed earlier. If I go to the
:) configuration, and exit without making any changes, I get to see the
:) following (quoted from the journal file):
:)
:) No Configuration changes saved
:) Changes to news-spool-directory will affect your next pine session.

Hello Mohit,

A couple of missing parenthesis is what's missing here. There's also
another bad behavior, related to what you observed, which makes that Pine
won't move automatically messages when you quit, after you've done this.

Steve Hubert was very kind to provide a patch for solving this. Get it
from the adress below.

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On 2001-03-30, at 09:50 -0800, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> A couple of missing parenthesis is what's missing here. There's also
> another bad behavior, related to what you observed, which makes that Pine
> won't move automatically messages when you quit, after you've done this.
>
> Steve Hubert was very kind to provide a patch for solving this. Get it
> from the adress below.

I should have seen it earlier, but I'd somehow always overlooked your
`other resources' page.

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Ivan had this on the wrong list. Please address answers to him direct.

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Hello,

The server where I read my e-mails has upgraded its Pine to v4.30. The
problem is that now, for all msgs I read with Pine, I can't download them
to my PC using Netscape. Prior to the upgrade I could ... :(

Does anybody know whether I can get Pine to behave the same way as before
by changing some flag in its configuration?? I tried to check its config.
options, but I couldn't find anything promising ...

Or is this "irreversible"??

TIA!

Later,
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Using PINE 4.2.1 On IBM Rs6000 - AIX 4.3.3

Is it possible to start PINE in composer mode
and not have it check for any mail?

I have a user that I need to able to send email but
not receive/read it.

TIA,

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*** Denny Watkins ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) Is it possible to start PINE in composer mode
:) and not have it check for any mail?

Sure, just write the nick or address of the person also when you start
pine. In another words "pine someone" is the way to write a message to
"someone"

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I wonder about the accuracy of what you say. I had previously set
Outlook Express to keep messages on the server, and when examining my
account, a
tech at my ISP noted that setting in regard to my mail and questioned it.
Anyway, when PC-Pine is invoked, it works just fine, except if I leave the
mail folder, after a couple of minutes, a Pine error message says "Inbox
closed due to access error." I can then just go back into the Inbox,
which I would think re-accesses the server at that point, and new messages
will be shown in the index. I only mention this because Pine doesn't need
to be restarted.
I'm accessing a POP3 server, with my inbox path as:
{mail.shellworld.net/pop3/user=ricklew}INBOX
--Rick

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Daniel Sands wrote:
> Yep. POP2 (probably 3 also) only allow the mail client to query the number of
> total messages, not the number of new messages. The intent for POP is that
> you download all of the messages to the local machine and delete them from the
> server. Pine doesn't do this automatically. IMAP, on the other hand, is
> intended for those who want to keep all their messages on the server. So its
> functionality is geared for that.
>
>

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What I originally said about POP is correct, but Pine may have
eccentricities dealing with it. In fact, I think POP is a relatively
new addition to its abilities.

Anyway, according to STD53 (RFC1939), the available commands for
retrieving mail are:
STAT: Get the number of messages and the total size of the mailbox
LIST: Get size information about a message, or all messages at once
RETR: Get a message's text
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RSET: Reset the status of all messages to previous state
Optional commands:
TOP: Get message header and some of its text
UIDL: Get a unique-ID of the message. This could be used in polling
for new messages, but it's not required that POP3 servers
support this command.

So, as I said, the intent is that mail be downloaded and deleted from
the server. Also, POP servers are allowed to "expire" messages which
are stored on the server, i.e. delete them automatically. In order to
warn the client about this, RFC2449 adds an optional extension
capability, "EXPIRE", which tells the client how long a message will
remain on the server.

Anyway, POP3 also allows a timeout of at least 10 minutes of inactivity
for a server, in which case it will close the connection. Either Pine
doesn't keep checking for new messages (because of the difficulties
mentioned above), or it doesn't check often enough.

Either way, once the connection is closed, Pine must reconnect. I would
hazard a guess that when it does this, it throws out all previous
knowledge of messages on the server and just goes through the process of
re-retrieving the entire list.

Rick Lewis wrote:
>
> I wonder about the accuracy of what you say. I had previously set
> Outlook Express to keep messages on the server, and when examining my
> account, a
> tech at my ISP noted that setting in regard to my mail and questioned it.
> Anyway, when PC-Pine is invoked, it works just fine, except if I leave the
> mail folder, after a couple of minutes, a Pine error message says "Inbox
> closed due to access error." I can then just go back into the Inbox,
> which I would think re-accesses the server at that point, and new messages
> will be shown in the index. I only mention this because Pine doesn't need
> to be restarted.
> I'm accessing a POP3 server, with my inbox path as:
> {mail.shellworld.net/pop3/user=ricklew}INBOX
> --Rick
>
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Daniel Sands wrote:
> > Yep. POP2 (probably 3 also) only allow the mail client to query the number of
> > total messages, not the number of new messages. The intent for POP is that
> > you download all of the messages to the local machine and delete them from the
> > server. Pine doesn't do this automatically. IMAP, on the other hand, is
> > intended for those who want to keep all their messages on the server. So its
> > functionality is geared for that.
> >
> >

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>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:29:03 -0500 (EST)
>From: Robert Dege <[email protected]>
..
>Subject: POP
>If I do this:
>inbox-path={mail.host.com}INBOX

Am I totally misremembering? I thought that the {} characters were
specifically what told it that it was an IMAP account rather than
a POP account.

The help for inbox-path says:
A typical remote inbox-path entry would be: {monet.art.nowhere.edu}INBOX
where "monet.art.nowhere.edu" is replaced by the name of your IMAP mail
server.

And the Valid Folder Names help doesn't mention POP at all.

>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:30:41 +0000 (GMT)
>From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: how to read mbox files with pine?
>On 29 Mar 2001 Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote:
>> >*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote today:
>> >:) I've got a few mbox files in my home directory (I don't
>> >remember why or how), :) and I know I can read them with mail
.
>> >:) How can I read them with pine?
>There are a couple ways you can view these folders with pine. One
>possibility is to use
>
> pine -f /full/path/to/folder
>e.g.
> pine -f ~/mystery.mbox
>or
> pine -f ~/Mail/mystery.mbox

This worked (as you know).. I guess I'd then say that the manpage
should be updated. It now says:

-f folder Open folder (in first defined folder
collection, use -c n to specify
another collection) instead of INBOX.

But in this case, I'm not actually opening a "folder". I'm not sure how
to make it simple *and* accurate at the same time. I'm guessing that
if "folder" begins with ~ or /, then it is treated like an mbox file, other
than that it is assumed to be a folder.

>Another way to access these folders -- and to make it easy to
>access local folders in the future -- is to add a *local* folder
>collection to your Collection List. I describe how to do this on
>my PC-Pine page in the section called
> Setting Up Local and Remote Folder Collections
>which is here
> http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#setFolders

Ok, I'll try this out at some point if I don't end up just nuking the
files after going through them. I turned on a bunch of the "incoming folders"
related prefs in Setup/Config but couldn't get it to do what I wanted in a
very brief amount of playing around (I mean NOT USING your instructions,
just what I already knew or could glean from the online help).

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Am I totally misremembering? I thought that the {} characters were
:) specifically what told it that it was an IMAP account rather than
:) a POP account.

Yes, you are misremembering. The {} part says that the folder is remote
(not in your local computer). When you just write the name of the machine,
it means that the connection is IMAP, if you add the string "/pop3" after
the name of the machine, the connection will be POP3.

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My Charles Schwab email alert is showing up like this:

[ Part 1, Text/PLAIN 213 lines. ]
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i.e. I am not seeing the text/plain part just by opening the message in
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They did just change the format of their messages.. But I do have
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What's up? Why am I not automatically seeing the text/plain part?

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There was someone who posted some time ago a message with a sentence like
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> The day when Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck
> will probably be the day they start to make vaccuum cleaners

How was it exactly? I found it great but I'm not a native English speaker
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Subject: ? filtering based on patterns / restrict to selected folders
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Hello altogether, and thank you so much for all the help
that reached us upon our recent question.
Filtering does work now indeed,
so new questions arise :)

a. Is there possibly any way inside Pine 4.21 on Linux of

filtering different strings
in one set of filters
e g
[A-Z,a-z][A-Z,a-z][A-Z,a-z].[1-9][1-9][1-9][1-9]@
would cover any mail addresses consisting of
three letters, a dot, and four ciphers.
or
wildcards such as ? or *

How would one accomplish this with Pine ?
Seems to us a similar mechnanism might be
useful in getting rid of some spam perhaps etc.

b.
Having defined and enabled filtering with Pine,
any folder opened will be filtered immediately.
Even elder collections of mail may thus be split
and resorted according to newly made filtering rules.
How could one possibly
- switch-off filtering temporarily or
- restrict filtering
to special folders or
to INBOX only ?

TIA for any help so far and further on
kind regards, plbit ;-)

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: ? filtering based on patterns / restrict to selected folders
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*** plb.it ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) a. Is there possibly any way inside Pine 4.21 on Linux of
:)
:) filtering different strings
:) in one set of filters

No, Pine does not support regular expressions matching for filters, or
search.

:) Having defined and enabled filtering with Pine, any folder opened
:) will be filtered immediately. Even elder collections of mail may
:) thus be split and resorted according to newly made filtering rules.
:) How could one possibly
:)
:) - switch-off filtering temporarily or

There's no way to do this, other than either deleting the filter or
modifying it so that it won't match.

:) - restrict filtering to special folders or :)to INBOX only ?

That one you can. For every filter you make you have to set the following
setting

Current Folder Type =
Set Choose One
--- --------------------
( ) Any
( ) News
( ) Email
(*) Specific
Folder List = INBOX

where it says "Folder List", you can enter a comma separated list of
folders.

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