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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.33. This release introduces no new functionality, but
is intended to address bugs found in earlier versions.

Specific information can be found in the built-in release notes ("R"
off the Main Menu), and via:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm433w32.zip

As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment
before placing Pine into production use.

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A few months ago, there was a discussion here about one of the BSDs
rejecting Pine due to security vulnerabilities from strcpy(?).

Which BSD was it? Was the vulnerability real? If so, has it been fixed?

Where's the list archive?

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Satya wrote:

> Where's the list archive?

That one's easy. Here's the .sig that the list processor attaches to all
posts to this mailing list:

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Satya, at 06:40 +0530 on Fri, 2 Feb 2001, wrote:

Which BSD was it? Was the vulnerability real? If so, has it been fixed?

FreeBSD has decided not not entirely disable Pine, but it issues a strong
warning and prompts the user before going ahead and installing Pine.

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Frank Tobin wrote:

> > Which BSD was it? Was the vulnerability real? If so, has it been fixed?
>
> FreeBSD has decided not not entirely disable Pine, but it issues a strong
> warning and prompts the user before going ahead and installing Pine.

OpenBSD, as I recall, will not use it, due to many strcpy() calls.

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�Is there any reason for not using (also) bzip2-format compression in
ftp.washington.edu when making available new releases of pine?

I think this format is quite spreaded and many people will be grateful if
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I have seen several new-pine-release announces and no new-pico-release or
new-pilot-release ones, but pico and pilot files' timestamps are always
the same as pine file's.

�Does a new release of pine imply new ones of pilot and pico? Every time I
download a new pine I don't know whether to download also pico and pilot
or not.

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Guillermo Pereyra Irujo wrote:

> I have seen several new-pine-release announces and no new-pico-release or
> new-pilot-release ones, but pico and pilot files' timestamps are always
> the same as pine file's.
>
> Does a new release of pine imply new ones of pilot and pico? Every time I
> download a new pine I don't know whether to download also pico and pilot
> or not.

The only thing that implies a version change in pico is if the pico
version number changes. If pico changes at all when we release a new
version of pine, then pico gets a new version. There were no changes in
pico between pine release 4.32 and 4.33, so the pico version (4.0) stayed
the same.

Jeff

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1) Is there a way I can get pine to re-ask me the "move sent-mail"
question? I know I have a workaround (manually rename it and make a new
sent mail folder) so it's no big deal. I *know* I read personal mail
yesterday but I must have said no then.. and pine was upgraded, so I
was asked again(??).. And I looked in my sent-mail folder and it IS all of
January..

2) I had a setscores and a score-based filter that weren't previously working
(I don't know why). I guess fortunately, they kicked in this morning and
my attempted spam filter moved ~1500 messages into my suspected spam folder.
(I have since changed the filter to be *NEW* messages only, and will of
course add new mailing lists to my list of acceptable To headers as I
run into them..)

ANYWAY.. So I went to my suspected spam folder, selected everything, and
saved it all to INBOX.. fine.. But now my INBOX can't be reliably
sorted in Arrival order.

Is there a workaround to get "arrival" back to approx date order, then
I can view INBOX by arrival again?

I'm not sure if 'Save' saves the items in the order they are shown to the
user.

If so, then I *think* I can:

1) create a new temporary mailbox
2) sort INBOX by date
3) select all in inbox
4) save all to temporary mailbox
5) select all in temporary mailbox
6) save all to INBOX

(I'm guessing that IMAP won't just let me RENAME the temporary mailbox to
INBOX, and that sounds more dangerous to what I'm trying to do anyway.. in
case mail comes in in the meantime or something..)

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> Is there a workaround to get "arrival" back to approx date order, then
> I can view INBOX by arrival again?
>
> I'm not sure if 'Save' saves the items in the order they are shown to the
> user.
>
> If so, then I *think* I can:
>
> 1) create a new temporary mailbox
> 2) sort INBOX by date
> 3) select all in inbox
> 4) save all to temporary mailbox
> 5) select all in temporary mailbox
> 6) save all to INBOX

Yep, you can do that. But you don't even have to worry about the
temporary mailbox. Just sort by date, select all, and save them back to
the Inbox. From then on, the "arrival" sort will be the same as the date
sort (except for mail that comes in after you do this).

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
>> Is there a workaround to get "arrival" back to approx date order, then
>> I can view INBOX by arrival again?
..
>Yep, you can do that. But you don't even have to worry about the
>temporary mailbox. Just sort by date, select all, and save them back to
>the Inbox. From then on, the "arrival" sort will be the same as the date
>sort (except for mail that comes in after you do this).

Just as a warning.

This takes a VERY VERY long time (I have over 2000 messages in my mailbox)
*AND* you end up with a duplicated deleted message for each message..

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> >Yep, you can do that. But you don't even have to worry about the
> >temporary mailbox. Just sort by date, select all, and save them back to
> >the Inbox. From then on, the "arrival" sort will be the same as the date
> >sort (except for mail that comes in after you do this).
>
> Just as a warning.
>
> This takes a VERY VERY long time (I have over 2000 messages in my mailbox)
> *AND* you end up with a duplicated deleted message for each message..

This was a good trick, (I also have used the temporary file method)
but another note to remember is that both the direct save, and
the temporary file methods also change the "From " line.

I just tried with the message Matt sent and it changed from:

>From [email protected] Fri Feb 2 12:13:16 2001
to
>From [email protected] Fri Feb 2 12:13:16 2001 -0800

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Dyck wrote:

> This was a good trick, (I also have used the temporary file method)
> but another note to remember is that both the direct save, and
> the temporary file methods also change the "From " line.
>
> I just tried with the message Matt sent and it changed from:
>
> >From [email protected] Fri Feb 2 12:13:16 2001
> to
> >From [email protected] Fri Feb 2 12:13:16 2001 -0800

That shouldn't matter, really. Those lines are only used to seperate
messages. What matters in Pine and other MUAs is the From: and Date:
lines, which are unaffected by an IMAP save.

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*** Scott Leibrand ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Dyck wrote:
:)
:) > This was a good trick, (I also have used the temporary file method)
:) > but another note to remember is that both the direct save, and
:) > the temporary file methods also change the "From " line.
:) >
:) > I just tried with the message Matt sent and it changed from:
:) >
:) > >From [email protected] Fri Feb 2 12:13:16 2001
:) > to
:) > >From [email protected] Fri Feb 2 12:13:16 2001 -0800
:)
:) That shouldn't matter, really. Those lines are only used to seperate
:) messages. What matters in Pine and other MUAs is the From: and Date:
:) lines, which are unaffected by an IMAP save.

That does not matter for Pine, some other people have complained that
UW-IMAP server changes the from line and other (old) mailers (e.g. unix
program "mailx") rely on the e-mail address contained in that line (this
issue came out before in this mailing list, and the problem was that
UW-IMAP server made this change, eg:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2000.11/msg00030.html). It's not
an issue if you just use Pine or some other modern mailer, so I guess
those people will always be ignored and have the same problem.

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On Feb 1, 2001 at 17:33, Scott Leibrand wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Satya wrote:
>> Where's the list archive?
>
>That one's easy. Here's the .sig that the list processor attaches to all
>posts to this mailing list:

[snip sig, I got it in the post]

That's weird. I don't seem to be getting it as part of the list procesor
output. I mean, the one you quoted was there. The one that the listproc
attaches wasn't there. It's not on any other message, either.

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I use pine-4.21 .
when I delete all message from Inbox, where are deleted message
store ?
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Satyajit Das wrote:

> I use pine-4.21 . when I delete all message from Inbox, where are
> deleted message store ?

When you first delete a message in Pine, it's marked with a "D"eleted
flag. After you e"X"punge, though, the messages are gone for good.
There's no "trash can" or "recycle bin" where they're stored.

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I use Compaq Tru64 Unix running pine 4.21. I run pine from the
/usr/local/bin directory as myself, but I've got a sym-link to my saved
mail directory on a different drive.

It looks like this.

mail -> /disk5/eds/mail

In v4.21 and lower saving mail in folders in that directory works fine,
but in any version higher than that the save takes forever, to the point
where that version just won't work for me.

I'm assuming its the sym like that is causing problems, but my sysadmin
won't let me have enough room in my home directory to store 6 years of
mail.

Any advice is appreciated.

-Ed Silver

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On Feb 3, 2001 at 20:31, Satyajit Das wrote:

>I use pine-4.21 .
>when I delete all message from Inbox, where are deleted message
>store ?

Messages are marked as deleted when you hit D)elete. They are not
removed. You can U)ndelete them using 'u'. When you e(X)punge, the
messages which are marked as deleted are completely removed.

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Ed

> I use Compaq Tru64 Unix running pine 4.21. I run pine from the
> /usr/local/bin directory as myself, but I've got a sym-link to my saved
> mail directory on a different drive.
>
> It looks like this.
>
> mail -> /disk5/eds/mail
>
> In v4.21 and lower saving mail in folders in that directory works fine,
> but in any version higher than that the save takes forever, to the point
> where that version just won't work for me.
>
> I'm assuming its the sym like that is causing problems, but my sysadmin
> won't let me have enough room in my home directory to store 6 years of
> mail.
>
> Any advice is appreciated.

Get yourself a CD-RW and put your archived emails there.

You did say "any advice"..... :-)

Ed

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On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Satya wrote:

>Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 06:55:12 +0530 (IST)
>From: Satya <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>Subject: Re: Pine v/s *BSD
>
>On Feb 1, 2001 at 17:33, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Satya wrote:
>>> Where's the list archive?
>>
>>That one's easy. Here's the .sig that the list processor attaches to all
>>posts to this mailing list:
>
>[snip sig, I got it in the post]
>
>That's weird. I don't seem to be getting it as part of the list procesor
>output. I mean, the one you quoted was there. The one that the listproc
>attaches wasn't there. It's not on any other message, either.
>
>--
>Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
>US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
>But I thought you did the backups!
>

I do not receive any such list footer either. Above is the
entire contents of the message I received. ie: No footer.

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Hello,

I think I've forgot to inform the list readers about this, but the Pine
developers found my problem to be caused by the way the my ISPs IMAP
server handles this. The server software used is IMail, and my ISP says
they will contact their vendor about this. Meanwhile I suppose I'll just
have to manage without attachments... or look Out for another mail
client... In Pine 4.33 the error message [Message to save shrank] is back,
so the attachments won't get disappear from the INBOX unless I delete them
myself.

Regards,

Atle Weibell

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:27:00 +0100 (MET)
> From: Bruce Cohen <[email protected]>
> To: Atle Weibell <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>,
> Jeff Franklin <[email protected]>, [email protected],
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Lost attachments
>
>
> Atle,
>
> Have you tried turning on long headers in Pine? I have had similar things
> happen to msgs - especially once they are saved to folders. Most of the
> time everything is still there, only Pine sees it all as part of the
> header.
>
> Maybe if the people on the development team would finally concentrate on
> getting "long headers" really solved we would all have a lot less
> problems!
>
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Atle Weibell wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> I've been using a web-interface for my mail for a long time, due to
> travelling and waiting for phone-line to be installed in my apartment.
>
> Now I had 200+ msg in my inbox, and opened it in Pine 4.31. I exited,
> saving all read messages to a local folder automatically. When I look at
> the messages in the local folder, it seems like all attachments are just
> gone...? Or actually it seems like all msgs that did have attachments
> now just have the headers left. The body and attachments are just not
> there...??
>
> I suppose they are gone forever, and that's bad enough, but why did this
> happen??
>
>

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On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Satya wrote:
>
> >That's weird. I don't seem to be getting it as part of the list procesor
> >output. I mean, the one you quoted was there. The one that the listproc
> >attaches wasn't there. It's not on any other message, either.
>
> I do not receive any such list footer either. Above is the
> entire contents of the message I received. ie: No footer.

It only shows up on new posts, not on replies. Check to see if you get it
then...

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Why was imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile in PINE 4.32 changed from:

# Normally no need to change any of these

ARCHIVE=c-client.a
BINARIES=mail.o misc.o newsrc.o smanager.o osdep.o utf8.o siglocal.o \
dummy.o pseudo.o netmsg.o flstring.o fdstring.o \
rfc822.o nntp.o smtp.o imap4r1.o pop3.o \
unix.o mbox.o mbx.o mmdf.o tenex.o mtx.o news.o phile.o mh.o mx.o
CFLAGS=$(BASECFLAGS) $(EXTRACFLAGS)

to the following in PINE 4.33?

# Normally no need to change any of these

ARCHIVE=c-client.a
BINARIES=mail.o misc.o newsrc.o smanager.o osdep.o utf8.o siglocal.o \
dummy.o pseudo.o netmsg.o flstring.o fdstring.o \
rfc822.o nntp.o smtp.o imap4r1.o pop3.o \
unix.o mbox.o mbx.o mmdf.o tenex.o mtx.o news.o phile.o mh.o mx.o
CFLAGS=-g

IOW, why the "-g" instead of "$(BASECFLAGS) $(EXTRACFLAGS)"?

Looks like just some debugging cruft that got left in.
Recommendation: don't edit makefiles with local changes while
developing. ;o)

I only found it because it causes a patch to fail, so I was
wondering why the change is there.

No big deal though, just wanted to point it out to you guys, so
it can get fixed next time around. I shall work around it in
RPM.

Take care,
TTYL

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Hmm, I'm now on 4.33.. I've got a few problems that I'm seeing, and
while they're probably answered in the online help I sure am not seeing it.

1) In a SetScores rule, does it *and* the separate header lines? I realize
that it *ORs* multiple items in a specific header line.. i.e. ANY of the
items in a To header line matches means the rule matches..

But if I fill in items in To and CC, I guess it has to match BOTH to
be a match? I guess that's an obvious question now, but with the "simplicity"
of pine's filters, it wasn't completely obvious at first.

1a) It would be great if there were an easier way to copy a whole ton of items
from a To line to a CC line.. I realized sometimes people respond to a person
and CC the mailing list.. so I was getting some wrong suspected spam.

But I guess I *really* have to make one rule that matches To, one rule that
matches CC, and somehow copy all of the items from the one To to the other's
CC.

2) Today, filters are doing something weird to my messages, like duplicating
the headers in them. Or maybe it's my manual saving back to INBOX.

I'm getting a whole set of headers that are shown when I do NOT have
show all headers.. (then showing headers of course shows the full headers
on the message too.) For several messages, I ended up with blank subject
lines.. I think they were being re-filtered after I saved them back into
INBOX and getting munged multiple times.

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I'm trying to setup my pine to be able to send e-mail in Japanese, but
since JIS is 7-bit, I can't get pine to set the content-type to
ISO-2022-JP without typing some random 8-bit character to get it to
realize the message is in another character-set. Is there any way to get
it to realize it's another character-set without using 8-bit characters?

Thanks so much,
Kevin Carnes

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On 02/05/01 at 11:15am -0800, Matt Ackeret <[email protected]> wrote:

> But I guess I *really* have to make one rule that matches To, one rule that
> matches CC, and somehow copy all of the items from the one To to the other's
> CC.

Nope, there's an easier way. Instead of using To: or Cc:, use the Recip
pattern:

Recipient Pattern Explained

This is just like the "To pattern" except that it is compared with the
addresses from both the To: line and the Cc: line of the message instead
of just the addresses from the To: line. In other words, it is considered
a match if the pattern matches EITHER an address in the To: line OR an
address in the Cc: line. (Notice that defining the Recipient pattern does
not have the same effect as defining both the To and Cc patterns.
Recipient is To OR Cc; not To AND Cc. It is equivalent to having two
different rules; one with a To pattern and the other with the same Cc
pattern.)

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On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> 1a) It would be great if there were an easier way to copy a whole ton of items
> from a To line to a CC line.

Use the "Recip Pattern" instead, which matches To:, or Cc:

If you put something in multiple pattern fields, ALL FIELDS must match
for it to be considered a candidate.

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On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Kevin Carnes wrote:

> I'm trying to setup my pine to be able to send e-mail in Japanese, but
> since JIS is 7-bit, I can't get pine to set the content-type to
> ISO-2022-JP without typing some random 8-bit character to get it to
> realize the message is in another character-set. Is there any way to get
> it to realize it's another character-set without using 8-bit characters?

Good point....

Don't have a "fix". But a work-around would be to use a signature that
includes the 8bit characters to save you the time.

Regards,
Ed

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I'd like to set up PINE so that it looks for aspell, and if it
doesn't find it, it gracefully falls back to ispell.

I've tried various things to no avail so far. Here is my latest
non-working effort.

speller=_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/aspell")_ /usr/bin/aspell --mode=email check,
_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/ispell")_ /usr/bin/ispell

The above doesn't work. Nor does:

speller=_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/aspell")_ /usr/bin/aspell --mode=email,
_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/ispell")_ /usr/bin/ispell

I've followed the syntax of how the browsers are fired off which
seems to work:

# List of programs to open Internet URLs (e.g. http or ftp references).
url-viewers=_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/netscape -a -n '${DISPLAY}'")_ /usr/bin/netscape,
_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/lynx")_ /usr/bin/lynx

but it doesn't seem to work with 'speller'. I'm assuming I need
some token in there or something..

If there is no simple solution, I'll make a shell script called
"pine-spellcheck" which wraps up various spell checkers.
Actually, this might simplify it the most.

Any suggestions? Please respond ASAP.

Thanks,
TTYL

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I am a regular Linux user (RH distro), but on occasion I use Windows.
I am familiar with Pine as I use it in Linux for some time now. I
decided to d/l and install PC Pine, but I have been experiencing a
glitch. Upon opening Pine, I get a message: *permission denied:
mail*
then that particular line changes to: no folder opened.

I have *inbox* as my mail folder - just like I have in the Linux
version. I can get messages from newsgroups just fine. It makes me
want to think this is a password issue (mail), but I cannot remember
entering a password in the Linux version, nor can I find anything
regarding this issue in the *help* secton, or entry fields in the
*configure* section. Anyone have a clue as to why I am experiencing
this problem? A solution?

Thanks to all,

Dick Williams

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On 02/06/01 at 3:22am -0500, Hermit <[email protected]> wrote:

> Upon opening PC-Pine, I get a message: *permission denied: mail* then
> that particular line changes to: no folder opened.
>
> I have *inbox* as my mail folder - just like I have in the Linux
> version.

This leads me to believe there's something wrong with your inbox-path in
PC-Pine's Main, Setup, Config. It should be in the form
{your.imap.server}INBOX if you're accessing your mail via IMAP.

If that doesn't fix it, or you can't figure out what to put there, answer
these questions:

- Where is your e-mail located? On your Linux box? On an ISP or EDU
mail server?
- How do you normally access your e-mail from the Linux box? Locally
(direct file access), via IMAP, or POP3? If you don't know, tell me what
the inbox path is on your Linux box.
- Are the necessary services running on the computer where your mail is
located to allow you to access it from the PC? If not, you may need to
install or activate the IMAP daemon to get acccess to your mail from
another computer.

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Hi,
I'm a pine user since years, but not an expert programmer. Nowadays I use pine
4.05 on an toshiba satellite 4090XCDT, with Linux Red-Hat 6.02, to connect to
the pop3 server of a commercial provider.

Everything worked nearly fine for one year and up to some weeks ago (but some
problems with locks); from since, my password has not been accepeted any more.
The pine error message is: "Retrying CRAM-MD5 after invalid user or password".
Now:

0) user and password are correct (they work fine in the netmail)
1) Apparently nothing changed in the configuration of my
machine/account/pine
2) the .pinerc entry reads
{pop.tiscalinet.it/user=matusagaio/pop3}inbox
and matches the corresponding entry when displayed with the
pine's Setup/config.
3) I tried the same on the pine on the SUN at the department, it worked
fine, so it's on my side, not the remote server side.
4) I configured (since the very beginning) my folders as follows:
I have a logical fat32 disk which I mount in my home (
Linux native) directory. The directory containing the
subfolders (not the root mail folders) is shared by pine and
the pc-pine living in the
Windows side, so that I can access my folders from both OS's. Now,
also the pc-pine behaves the same way: "Retrying CRAM-MD5...". This I
really cannot understand: the configuration of the two pines are
completely unrelated, they only share the physical folders. But the
INBOX is a virtual folder, has nothing to do with physical folders.

Please help me to sort this out!
G.

Gherardo Piacitelli
Dipartimento di Matematica Pura ed Applicata, Universita` di Padova
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You might also want to look at my PC-Pine page where I go into
excruciating detail about setting up PC-Pine. The part that is
relevant to your question is in this section:

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#setPineVars

Good luck,
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> I've tried various things to no avail so far. Here is my latest
> non-working effort.
>
> speller=_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/aspell")_ /usr/bin/aspell --mode=email check,
> _TEST("test -e /usr/bin/ispell")_ /usr/bin/ispell

> Any suggestions? Please respond ASAP.

Yeah. Upgrade to 4.33. Quoting is broken in 4.32.

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jeff Franklin wrote:

>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:01:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
>From: Jeff Franklin <[email protected]>
>To: Mike A. Harris <[email protected]>
>Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>Subject: Re: Configuring PINE to detect the spell checker..
>
>On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>
>> I've tried various things to no avail so far. Here is my latest
>> non-working effort.
>>
>> speller=_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/aspell")_ /usr/bin/aspell --mode=email check,
>> _TEST("test -e /usr/bin/ispell")_ /usr/bin/ispell
>
>> Any suggestions? Please respond ASAP.
>
>Yeah. Upgrade to 4.33. Quoting is broken in 4.32.

This _IS_ PINE 4.33... sorry I wasn't clear. Try the above in
4.33 and you get "Speller abnormally exited" errors.

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jeff Franklin wrote:
>
> >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:01:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
> >From: Jeff Franklin <[email protected]>
> >To: Mike A. Harris <[email protected]>
> >Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> >Subject: Re: Configuring PINE to detect the spell checker..
> >
> >On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> >
> >> I've tried various things to no avail so far. Here is my latest
> >> non-working effort.
> >>
> >> speller=_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/aspell")_ /usr/bin/aspell --mode=email check,
> >> _TEST("test -e /usr/bin/ispell")_ /usr/bin/ispell
> >
> >> Any suggestions? Please respond ASAP.
> >
> >Yeah. Upgrade to 4.33. Quoting is broken in 4.32.
>
> This _IS_ PINE 4.33... sorry I wasn't clear. Try the above in
> 4.33 and you get "Speller abnormally exited" errors.

Sorry, I wasn't thinking clearly. The speller variable currently doesn't
recognize tokens, but we've put it on the list of things to consider for a
future release.

Jeff

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If the text has ESC characters in it that should also cause pine to set
the charset to the value of your character-set variable. Is that not
working?

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On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Kevin Carnes wrote:

> I'm trying to setup my pine to be able to send e-mail in Japanese, but
> since JIS is 7-bit, I can't get pine to set the content-type to
> ISO-2022-JP without typing some random 8-bit character to get it to
> realize the message is in another character-set. Is there any way to get
> it to realize it's another character-set without using 8-bit characters?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Kevin Carnes

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jeff Franklin wrote:

>> >> I've tried various things to no avail so far. Here is my latest
>> >> non-working effort.
>> >>
>> >> speller=_TEST("test -e /usr/bin/aspell")_ /usr/bin/aspell --mode=email check,
>> >> _TEST("test -e /usr/bin/ispell")_ /usr/bin/ispell
>> >
>> >> Any suggestions? Please respond ASAP.
>> >
>> >Yeah. Upgrade to 4.33. Quoting is broken in 4.32.
>>
>> This _IS_ PINE 4.33... sorry I wasn't clear. Try the above in
>> 4.33 and you get "Speller abnormally exited" errors.
>
>Sorry, I wasn't thinking clearly. The speller variable currently doesn't
>recognize tokens, but we've put it on the list of things to consider for a
>future release.

Ok. I've solved the problem by making a pine-spellcheck wrapper
script which handles different spell checkers. Works great and
shall appear in my next series of RPM packages. Those using Red
Hat 5.x/6.x should be able to use the packages in rawhide with a
rebuild from source with no problems, and have a working spell
checker out of the box once again.

Should appear in rawhide RSN.

Thanks Jeff!
TTYL

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jeff Franklin wrote:

> Sorry, I wasn't thinking clearly. The speller variable currently
> doesn't
> recognize tokens, but we've put it on the list of things to consider
> for a
> future release.

A humble suggestion on spell checking in Pine:

I would appreciate it, if there was a possibility of choosing the language
before starting to check the spelling of the message. For example, I could
write formal letters in English, Russian, or German and check the
spelling.

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:

>> Sorry, I wasn't thinking clearly. The speller variable currently
>> doesn't
>> recognize tokens, but we've put it on the list of things to consider
>> for a
>> future release.
>
>A humble suggestion on spell checking in Pine:
>
>I would appreciate it, if there was a possibility of choosing the language
>before starting to check the spelling of the message. For example, I could
>write formal letters in English, Russian, or German and check the
>spelling.

This would be a feature of the spell checking software I believe.
I would think the spell checker should check your locale and use
the language appropriae for the locale you are using. I don't
use the spell checker myself though (or I would have spelled
approprate correctly above) so I'm not sure how such would work.

If you use Red Hat Linux, please fill out a request for
enhancement in bugzilla (like a bug, only put "enhancement" for
severity). http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/

TTYL

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Anyone using Red Hat Linux 7.0, 6.x or our new beta release
called "Fisher", might want to try out my new unnofficial RPM
packages of PINE 4.33 with pinegpg support at:

ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/pine

Please file ALL bug reports in BUGZILLA. Direct emailed bug
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http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla

Enjoy!

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I've got disable-keymenu checked in Main, Setup, Config, and I go into the
Attachment Index screen via the ViewAttch command. I press ? to display
the keymenu, and then press O for Other cmds. Rather than displaying the
other commands like it's supposed to, it gets rid of the keymenu. The O
command seems to work most everywhere else, though.

FEATURE: disable-keymenu

If this feature is set the command key menu that normally appears on the
bottom two lines of the screen will not usually be there. Asking for help
with ^G or ? will cause the key menu to appear instead of causing the help
message to come up. If you want to actually see the help text, another ^G
or ? will show it to you. After the key menu has popped up with the help
key it will remain there for an O for Other command but disappear if any
other command is typed.

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Hi

I'm trying to make a connection to an IMAPS server and pc-pine keeps
complaining about unknown certificate authority. How can I make it aware
of a given CA?

I'm running under win2k pro and connection to a courier imap server if
that helps.

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, John Saylor wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm trying to make a connection to an IMAPS server and pc-pine keeps
> complaining about unknown certificate authority. How can I make it aware
> of a given CA?
>
> I'm running under win2k pro and connection to a courier imap server if
> that helps.
>
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>

I have the same problem with pine 4.30 on Unix. I learnt that from an SSL
mailing list that Pine (at least 4.30) does not do validation correctly.
So, even though I have my CA's key and have included it in my pem file, it
still fails.

Luckily, I came across in the Pine documentation that you can turn off
certificate validation and that's how I have it running at the moment.

If anyone knows more about this, I'd like to hear it.

Ken

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Hi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Teh" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:06
Subject: Re: SSL problems with pc-pine

> So, even though I have my CA's key and have included it in my pem
file, it
> still fails.

What's the pem file?
$PINERC/certificates.pem

> Luckily, I came across in the Pine documentation that you can turn off
> certificate validation and that's how I have it running at the moment.

How do you turn off certificate validation? Can I do it on PC-Pine?

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) >A humble suggestion on spell checking in Pine:
:) >
:) >I would appreciate it, if there was a possibility of choosing the language
:) >before starting to check the spelling of the message. For example, I could
:) >write formal letters in English, Russian, or German and check the
:) >spelling.
:)
:) This would be a feature of the spell checking software I believe.
:) I would think the spell checker should check your locale and use
:) the language appropriae for the locale you are using. I don't
:) use the spell checker myself though (or I would have spelled
:) approprate correctly above) so I'm not sure how such would work.

Almost agree, I send e-mails in two languages, if I could I would like to
be able to choose the speller (or the parameters passed to the speller),
from a menu after pressing "^T". Of course all of this should be
configurable so that for other people pressing "^T" would work as it does
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On 02/07/01 at 10:35am -0500, John Saylor <[email protected]> wrote:

> How do you turn off certificate validation? Can I do it on PC-Pine?

Add the /novalidate-cert flag to the hostname after the /ssl flag.

There's been some good discussion on this recently in comp.mail.pine.
Check out
http://x74.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/threadmsg_ct.xp?AN=724951090.1&mhitnum=5&CONTEXT=981568874.226230320

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We have two WAN links, and are attempting to achieve some redundancy for
our outgoing SMTP mail. We have two relay servers (call them):

mail1.ourdomain.org
mail2.ourdomain.org

Each server has MX records pointing to itself and a less preferred MX
record pointing to the other. The host name smtp.ourdomain.org has a CNAME
record pointing to mail1 and mail clients are instructed to use
smtp.ourdomain.org as the relay for outgoing mail.

The idea is that if mail1 goes down, then the less preferred MX record
will be used to send mail out via mail2. This works well for the Unix mail
program Pine 4.10, which will switch from mail1 to mail2 with only a 5
minute delay.

But the PC programs don't work so well. Pine 4.32, Eudora Pro 5.0, and
Outlook Express 5.0 all ignore the MX records. Microsoft Outlook 5.0 is
even worse. In our tests, messages sent while mail1 was down stay in the
outbox and are not sent later when mail1 recovers. This is true even if
one hits "send/receive". If you right click on the outbox entry you are
told "This message did not get sent". You can forward the message, and it
will go out promptly, suggesting that Outlook isn't even trying to send it
out.

At http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2178hq.html Eudora says that the Mac
version has a "UseMX" option that is off by default, but that page doesn't
specify the treatment of MX records in the PC version.

At http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q208/9/15.ASP
Microsoft says that Outlook Express 4.0 follows MX records, and uses the A
record only if no MX record is usable, but that OE 4.5 reverses the
selection and looks for MX records only if the A record is unusable. There
is no mention of how 5.0 might use MX records that I can tell, but it
looks to us like it ignores them entirely.

Both web sites suggest that waiting for MX records that may not exist is
tiresome and the vendor is doing a favor for the user by ignoring them.

At http://www.washington.edu /pine/pine-info/1996.05/msg00174.html there
is a comment from Marc Crispin (one of the Pine developers):

> The brief answer [is] that the requirement for MX records has to
> do with MTA (Mail Transfer Agent, a.k.a. "mailer") interchange with
> other MTAs. Pine's SMTP code is not, and is not intended to be, an
> MTA. It is merely mechanism for queueing a message to an MTA. There
> are no RFC requirements on a mechanism for queueing to an MTA.

This describes PC-Pine, but we don't have problems with Pine on Unix.
Perhaps there is a favorable interaction with sendmail acting as the MTA
(which would obey the MX directive) before the message is transferred to
the relay server. In any case, with Unix Pine, messages do seem to get
through even if the least cost mail relay is down.

Is there any way to have redundant servers for PC clients? I note (if
there are any developers listening) that there is a new DNS record type
"SRV" that would be an alternative for providing redundancy in this
situation which is documented in RFC 2782.

Daniel Feenberg
[email protected]
Mohan Ramanujan
[email protected]

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Hi,

Our organisation uses Microsoft Exchange as its mail server, and
the organisation-wide address books are store on the server. I
use pine (just moved to 4.33) on Linux. How do I make my pine
see the organisation-wide address book? Thanks in advance for
all help ...

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I have not checked what the various clients do, but what happens if you
use multiple A records instead of MX records? You'd have a domain

smtp.ourdomain.org

which had two A records, the addresses of mail1 and mail2. If smtp had an
MX record I would expect that to be used only for mail addressed to
[email protected] (for example, [email protected]).

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 [email protected] wrote:

> We have two WAN links, and are attempting to achieve some redundancy for
> our outgoing SMTP mail. We have two relay servers (call them):
>
> mail1.ourdomain.org
> mail2.ourdomain.org

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I upgraded from 3.96 to 4.33. I'm on an IBM RS6000 running pine under
wyse60 and vt100 emulation. As a wyse version, ^k, ^u, ^j don't work
now but they continue to work as a vt100. I found a "workaround" of doing
ESC ESC k and that works but that document implies that the problem is
that the OS is not passing the keystrokes through to pine. I know it is
because I can turn back around and run 3.96 and the keystrokes work.

Anyone with a clue on this?

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Redundant Outbound SMTP Servers:

Second Try, with Multiple A Records

Reorganize the DNS zone file so that there is a single hostname with
two A records<p>

smtp IN A 192.168.0.1
smtp IN A 192.168.0.2

Now clients will receive both numeric addresses when they look for
smtp.example.org. The order will vary, since Bind "round robbins" the
addresses. The Windows "ping" command confirms that both addresses are
sent and available to applications on the PC.

What happens if one address points to a nonfunctioning server? In very
limited testing, it seems that Pine was sometimes able to send the message
but not every time. Perhaps it depended on which IP address was first on
the list returned by Bind. Eudora Pro 5.0 seems to always send the message
out without noticable delay, and both Microsoft products (Outlook 5.0 and
Outlook Express 5.0) simply held the mail in their outboxes forever. This
last behavior seemed perverse, surely it should work at least half the
time, but we did not observe that.

I couldn't find anything in the standard (RFC974) that required a mail
client to respond in any particular way to multiple IP addresses, although
it would seem that timing out expeditiously and trying the next address
would be the best response when the first address tried was not
responding.

Daniel Feenberg
[email protected]

On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Steve Hubert wrote:

> I have not checked what the various clients do, but what happens if you
> use multiple A records instead of MX records? You'd have a domain
>
> smtp.ourdomain.org
>
> which had two A records, the addresses of mail1 and mail2. If smtp had an
> MX record I would expect that to be used only for mail addressed to
> [email protected] (for example, [email protected]).
>
> --
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > We have two WAN links, and are attempting to achieve some redundancy for
> > our outgoing SMTP mail. We have two relay servers (call them):
> >
> > mail1.ourdomain.org
> > mail2.ourdomain.org
>
>
>

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Mike, Eduardo, sorry for a bit delayed answer.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
> today:
>
> :) >A humble suggestion on spell checking in Pine:
> :) >
> :) >I would appreciate it, if there was a possibility of choosing the
> language
> :) >before starting to check the spelling of the message. For example,
> I could
> :) >write formal letters in English, Russian, or German and check the
> :) >spelling.
> :)
> :) This would be a feature of the spell checking software I believe.
> :) I would think the spell checker should check your locale and use
> :) the language appropriae for the locale you are using. I don't
> :) use the spell checker myself though (or I would have spelled
> :) approprate correctly above) so I'm not sure how such would work.

The solution based only on locale settings wouldn't be full enough (though
it would be a reasonablee default behaviour of the spell checker/mail
client to assume that the message is in the language that corresponds to
the locale): all the locale stuff (as I see it) is much more devoted to
the way how an application interacts with the user than to deciding on
what national attributes the processed data has. The locale makes a
program speak in such a language and format its output in such a way that
is best understood by the user. In contrast, m17n support requires that a
program can work with data in different languages (while the interface can
stay in one language). I believe Emacs or TeX processor are rather good
examples of such multilingualised programs: they can work with documents
in different languages independent of the locale. Various Internet tools
(browsers, mail agents) should be also: they have to deal with content
that comes from (or goes to) all around the world. Should I change the
locale for reading a document in a foreign language? Certainly not.
Should the menu items change from one language into another when I'm
reading a message written in another language? No. Should I change the
locale or should the interface change when I'm composing a message in one
or another language (probably foreign)? The answer must be the same as for
the case of reading a message: no.

The conclusion: it would be nice if there were means of specifying the
language of the message being composed other than locale settings or
simply none at all.

> Almost agree, I send e-mails in two languages, if I could I would like
> to
> be able to choose the speller (or the parameters passed to the
> speller),
> from a menu after pressing "^T". Of course all of this should be
> configurable so that for other people pressing "^T" would work as it
> does
> today.

Yeah, of course. And here another discussion can be started: one solution
for the problem could be an external wrapper-script around the spell
checker that asks you about the parameters. Another solution would be to
embed the selection into Pine, so that the "look-and-feel" of Pine isn't
lost (in contrast to the first varinat). But the second solution is harder
to implement: one has to patch the enormous sources of Pine. It's a pity
that it isn't very modular.

And the same kind of problems arise with other features like gpg/pgp
support for Pine: I would prefer to have a signing module for Pine that
looks just like all the rest of it (the same style of the menus etc.).

In fact, the statement that Pine isn't modular at all isn't true: the
source is not extremely difficult to extend with new features (for
example, now I'm using a Pine patched by a friend of mine and me so that
it is able to recode messages between various Russian encodings -- we have
about 5 of them :-( ). But the thing I would like to see is the
possibility of dynamic loading modules for Pine.

Anyway, I have to stop talking now. And go make real things for i18n and
m17n ;-)

--
Best regards,
Ivan Z.

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I get the impression that pine "figures out" (caches) a bunch of stuff when
you do a search.. because subsequent searches are like WAY FAST.

So, an obvious suggestion would be to have an option (possibly ON by default,
but should be turn-offable for memory/CPU usage) for pine to start doing this
when you start pine, possibly a little bit in the background.

Then, "magically", searches will likely end up being a lot faster for the
user.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Chuck Everett wrote:

> I upgraded from 3.96 to 4.33. I'm on an IBM RS6000 running pine under
> wyse60 and vt100 emulation. As a wyse version, ^k, ^u, ^j don't work
> now but they continue to work as a vt100. I found a "workaround" of doing
> ESC ESC k and that works but that document implies that the problem is
> that the OS is not passing the keystrokes through to pine. I know it is
> because I can turn back around and run 3.96 and the keystrokes work.

While I can't tell you why 3.96 DID work, I can point out the basic
problem: those control keys represent certain keytrokes coming from a
Wyse. Control-K is up-arrow, control-J is down-arrow; control-U escapes
me. Obviously control-K can't do BOTH up-arrow and delete-line. I guess the
priority has changed.

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Try turning on the hidden feature "termdef-takes-precedence" to see if
that helps. If your old 3.96 worked because it had been compiled with
"TERMCAP_WINS" then this feature might fix it.

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> I've got disable-keymenu checked in Main, Setup, Config, and I go into the
> Attachment Index screen via the ViewAttch command. I press ? to display
> the keymenu, and then press O for Other cmds. Rather than displaying the
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Hello,

Can anyone tell if uwash makes the pc-pine source available
(4.3x). I have searched the archive and cannot find the answer.
I suspect that only *nix source distributions are available but
would feel better if that would confirmed.

thanks,

Jamie

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*** Jamie Sparks ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Can anyone tell if uwash makes the pc-pine source available
:) (4.3x). I have searched the archive and cannot find the answer.
:) I suspect that only *nix source distributions are available but
:) would feel better if that would confirmed.

Yep, you are right. Unfortunately the source code for PC-Pine is not
available (not even without the speller that PC-Pine has included). I
guess we are all out of luck here.

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We are using Pine 4.21 on UNIX 4.3.3 (IBM RS/6000)

When I am in my own sent-mail folder, the messages are displayed according
to whom I have sent these messages. If I import someone else's sent-mail
folder, the messages are displayed according to who sent the messages.

My situation is that several users are accessing and using a mailbox in
the mbx format. As they try to do research in the sent-mail folder, they
see the same behavior that I have described above (a user sees
the recipient of his own sent-mail, but sees the sender of any mail sent
by other users)

How do I configure either the folder or the message index to always show
the recipient of a sent-message?

Thanks for any help.

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On 02/09/01 at 4:12pm -0600, Marci Burgess <[email protected]> wrote:

> When I am in my own sent-mail folder, the messages are displayed according
> to whom I have sent these messages. If I import someone else's sent-mail
> folder, the messages are displayed according to who sent the messages.
>
> My situation is that several users are accessing and using a mailbox in
> the mbx format. As they try to do research in the sent-mail folder, they
> see the same behavior that I have described above (a user sees
> the recipient of his own sent-mail, but sees the sender of any mail sent
> by other users)
>
> How do I configure either the folder or the message index to always show
> the recipient of a sent-message?

If that's really what you want to do (for all folders, unfortunately,
unless you apply one of Eduardo's patches), check out the index-format
option in Main, Setup, Config.

But a more useful solution is probably to add the other user(s) addresses
to alt-addresses. Read the help on both options to decide what's best for
your situation.

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On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Satyajit Das wrote:

>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:58:19 +0600
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I'm using PC-Pine Version 4.32 running on Windows 98. In my pinerc file I
have the inbox-path defined as:

inbox-path={mail.teleport.com/imap/user=dbradfor}INBOX

I can open my INBOX and read my mail fine. But when I try to do an
aggregate Select (;) pine responds with:

[Can't search that character set.]

then:

[Select failed. No messages selected.]

What is up? I searched the pine-info archives for the past year and found
no mention of this problem.

- David

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Eduardo, it's not too bad we don't have the win98 source code. I expect it
takes visual C compiler which I refuse to buy, since gcc is free and works
fine on unix pine sources.

What does amaze me is how well pc-pine works! My wife will not use Linux
because it's too dam complex. But she hates eudora and netscape e-mail. So
I installed pc-pine and it works fine and she is happy. I'm happy because
when she has a problem I just take my pine experiance to her computer and
do what's needed.

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Jamie Sparks ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) Can anyone tell if uwash makes the pc-pine source available
> :) (4.3x). I have searched the archive and cannot find the answer.
> :) I suspect that only *nix source distributions are available but
> :) would feel better if that would confirmed.
>
> Yep, you are right. Unfortunately the source code for PC-Pine is not
> available (not even without the speller that PC-Pine has included). I
> guess we are all out of luck here.
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>
>
>

Yours Truly,

- Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -

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On 02/11/01 at 4:14pm -0700, Karl F. Larsen <[email protected]> wrote:

> I expect it takes visual C compiler which I refuse to buy, since gcc
> is free and works fine on unix pine sources.

You forget that the Pine developers started out with Unix Pine and only
later ported it to DOS and then Win32. So I'll bet you they use gcc to
build PC-Pine just like they do for Unix Pine.

But either way, I believe PC-Pine's source code (or as much of it as
possible) should be made public just as the Unix Pine's source is. I've
yet to hear of a good reason why the public portions of the code (which
wouldn't include the spell checker, apparently) couldn't be made available
so users could apply patches to PC-Pine and build customized versions.
Is it simply because no one on the Pine team has yet had the time to
seperate the public and licensed portions of the code? Or is there a more
fundamental reason? I'd appreciate any comments from the Pine team.

Thanks.
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> But either way, I believe PC-Pine's source code (or as much of it as
> possible) should be made public just as the Unix Pine's source is. I've
> yet to hear of a good reason why the public portions of the code (which
> wouldn't include the spell checker, apparently) couldn't be made available
> so users could apply patches to PC-Pine and build customized versions.
> Is it simply because no one on the Pine team has yet had the time to
> seperate the public and licensed portions of the code? Or is there a more
> fundamental reason? I'd appreciate any comments from the Pine team.

Normally, I hate "me too" messages, but in this case it seems
appropriate. I have been subscribed to this list for quite a
while and seen this question beeing asked at least 5 times. As a
result, there usually were some postings from pine users
reporting various rumors about that issue (like the one about the
spell checker). Not a single time I have seen any reaction from
the Pine developers. It almost seems like they are deliberately
keeping this unclear ...

Dear Pine developers: *Please end these wild speculations*,
preferably not only by answering the question here, but also by
including a clear statement about this issue on the Pine web
pages and in the distribution!

Like many others, I personally would strongly prefer the source
code for PC-Pine to be public, but that's not the point. The way
things are, you have of course every right to do with your code
whatever you like - but it would be nice to let the users know,
what you are up to.

Regards,
Peter Daum

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Hello Scott, Yes I know there was a flap with Debian over the Free
Software aspects of Pine. I compiled version 4.31 for unix and looked and
I do have the source code as expected. The license had SUGGESTED ways to
modify the code and asked that you not export a version of pine.

The nice little windows bar above pc-pine is a pain to make with gcc and
is simply done with Microsoft Visual C. But you are a school, and someone
could learn a lot from doing it with gcc.

I think your right, pc-pine should include the source code. More so
because it's such a well done professional software for windows. I expect
the source may be compiled by Borland C. I do that. Write the source and
compile with gcc and make it work in Linux. Then compile in Dos with
Borland. If something like that is required, it's no reason for not
releasing the source.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> On 02/11/01 at 4:14pm -0700, Karl F. Larsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I expect it takes visual C compiler which I refuse to buy, since gcc
> > is free and works fine on unix pine sources.
>
> You forget that the Pine developers started out with Unix Pine and only
> later ported it to DOS and then Win32. So I'll bet you they use gcc to
> build PC-Pine just like they do for Unix Pine.
>
> But either way, I believe PC-Pine's source code (or as much of it as
> possible) should be made public just as the Unix Pine's source is. I've
> yet to hear of a good reason why the public portions of the code (which
> wouldn't include the spell checker, apparently) couldn't be made available
> so users could apply patches to PC-Pine and build customized versions.
> Is it simply because no one on the Pine team has yet had the time to
> seperate the public and licensed portions of the code? Or is there a more
> fundamental reason? I'd appreciate any comments from the Pine team.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Scott Leibrand
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>

Yours Truly,

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On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> But either way, I believe PC-Pine's source code (or as much of it as
> possible) should be made public just as the Unix Pine's source is. I've
> yet to hear of a good reason why the public portions of the code (which
> wouldn't include the spell checker, apparently) couldn't be made available
> so users could apply patches to PC-Pine and build customized versions.

Either way would be fine with me too. In the unlikely event I had some
spare time, I'd like to be able to fix a few of the annoyances in the
version I use (4.21). Things like not repainting the screen on expose
events, not responding immediately to quit commands, stuff like that.

I can't see why pine needs an internal spell checker anyway. I never
use it: for those who do want such a thing, a link to an external
program ought to be sufficient, and would take care of the problems with
languages other than English, as was mentioned here a few days ago.

James

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Ok, I don't know enough about different character sets to explain this well,
so I'll just explain what I'm seeing.

This situation is with pine 4.30..

I got a message on a work mailing list, and in his signature, this guy had
<emdash>Jens

Originally, I had ISO-8859-1 set as my character set, and on this
terminal emulator (Terminal, on Mac OS X), I was seeing
[box character]ens

So it was 'eating up' two characters.

Anyway, I changed my character set in pine to US-ASCII, and it is still
displaying incorrectly. I now see
^<diamond>Jens

>From the original message with this problem, the attachment index shows:
1 ~35 lines Text/PLAIN (charset: Unknown "windows-1252")
2 ~39 lines Text/ENRICHED (charset: Unknown "windows-1252")

And I see:
[ The following text is in the "windows-1252" character set. ]
[ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ]
[ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

At the top of the message display....

Is this just an inherent limitation of pine (or some other display
program pine is using)? It would seem to me that it should make "obvious"
subsitutions, in this case <emdash> replaced with "-" or possibly two
hyphens.

I can provide more info if necessary or even a sample email that shows
the problem.

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On 02/12/01 at 11:25am -0800, Matt Ackeret <[email protected]> wrote:

> I got a message on a work mailing list, and in his signature, this guy had
> <emdash>Jens
>
> Originally, I had ISO-8859-1 set as my character set, and on this
> terminal emulator (Terminal, on Mac OS X), I was seeing
> [box character]ens

I've seen similar problems caused by incorrect (non ISO-8859-1 compatible)
fonts on Win32. For example, if you're using "Terminal" as your font and
you try to display an ISO-8859-1 formatted message, it will misdisplay
characters even if your Pine character set is set to ISO-8859-1. To make
it work properly, you have to choose a different font like "FixedSys".

Play around with some different fonts and see if that's the problem you're
encountering. If not, let us know.

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James,

Your question is a "sendmail" mail question, not pine. However, the answer
is...

In your .forward file you need to have 2 lines similar to this:

[email protected]
\originaluser

The first line tells sendmail to forward the email to the remote account.
The second line tells sendmail to leave a copy on the original server.

BTW, this the .forward is not a "standard" but is implemented in sendmail
and most of its equivalents. However, there is an option for the admins to
disable it so your mileage may vary.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of James Young
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:45 PM
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: question

I am trying to set up accounts so that any message recieved has a copy
(must leave original on server) to another e-mail account. I was told about
something called a .forward file and I attepted to set it up and was then
unable to recieve emails at all. Please help me with this. Answers can be
sent to [email protected]

thank you,

James Young

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On 02/12/01 at 7:15pm -0800, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > You forget that the Pine developers started out with Unix Pine and only
> > later ported it to DOS and then Win32. So I'll bet you they use gcc to
> > build PC-Pine just like they do for Unix Pine.
>
> Sorry, you lost your bet. We have always used the Microsoft C compiler to
> build PC Pine. When the PC Pine work started, the choices were Borland
> and Microsoft. Gcc wasn't ported to the PC until many years later.
>
> We generally use the native C compiler in any case. On systems such as
> Linux (and my NeXT workstation), that means GCC. On OSF/1 and AIX, it
> does not.

Good thing I didn't bet any money. :)

But you seem to be ignoring the more important part of my question, which
basically was: Why can't the PC-Pine source be released? Are you
authorized to discuss that publicly? If not, who is? Or does it require
something like a Freedom of Information Act request to pry that
information out?

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On 02/12/01 at 10:10pm -0800, Scott Leibrand <[email protected]...:

> But you seem to be ignoring the more important part of my question, which
> basically was: Why can't the PC-Pine source be released? Are you
> authorized to discuss that publicly? If not, who is? Or does it require
> something like a Freedom of Information Act request to pry that
> information out?

My apologies for that FOIA remark. While that would be a perfectly valid
method (legally) to obtain this information, it goes completely against
the spirit of openness and helpfulness of the Pine community, and I'm sure
it will be unnecessary. I realize that there are lots of reasons why
technical people shouldn't be allowed to comment on legal matters, and at
Mark's suggestion, I've taken this issue up with the management of the
UW's Computing and Communications Department. I'll keep everyone updated
as I hear back from them.

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*** David Bradford ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on...:

:) I can open my INBOX and read my mail fine. But when I try to do an
:) aggregate Select (;) pine responds with:
:)
:) [Can't search that character set.]

Pine is determining the charset of the text you entered to select and
somehow it does not match what your imap server can search in. Are you
trying to search by From or subject (maybe all text?). Could you tell us
exactly how to reproduce the error you are receiving?

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> > But you seem to be ignoring the more important part of my question, which
> > basically was: Why can't the PC-Pine source be released? Are you
> > authorized to discuss that publicly? If not, who is? Or does it require
> > something like a Freedom of Information Act request to pry that
> > information out?
>
> My apologies for that FOIA remark. While that would be a perfectly valid
> method (legally) to obtain this information, it goes completely against
> the spirit of openness and helpfulness of the Pine community, and I'm sure
> it will be unnecessary. I realize that there are lots of reasons why
> technical people shouldn't be allowed to comment on legal matters, and at
> Mark's suggestion, I've taken this issue up with the management of the
> UW's Computing and Communications Department. I'll keep everyone updated
> as I hear back from them.

I find all of this very weird.

The folks from the Pine Team have stated at different times that the
source code for PC-Pine is not available for release to the public since
it contains embedded code whose copyright prohibits them from
distribution.

So, it matters not if the code is the spell checker, the sorting
functions, or a parser for the pinerc file. I don't believe the folks at
UW have to disclose to you or anyone else the details. You should be
joyous over the fact that some (probably commercial) company has given
(maybe) code to UW to include in PC-pine and hasn't demanded a royalty
giving PC-pine a price of $29.95.

FOIA? Somehow I suspect that only applies to government documents...and
maybe only federal at that....

Geess....

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> The folks from the Pine Team have stated at different times that the
> source code for PC-Pine is not available for release to the public since
> it contains embedded code whose copyright prohibits them from
> distribution.
>
> So, it matters not if the code is the spell checker, the sorting
> functions, or a parser for the pinerc file. I don't believe the folks at
> UW have to disclose to you or anyone else the details.

Of course they don't HAVE to do anything they don't want to, since it's
their product. We're just trying to convince them that they SHOULD want
to, in order to have more happy users.

I know it's frequently been stated that they can't release the source
because the spell checker is copyrighted. What I'm asking is why on
earth it needs to have a spell checker in the first place? That's a
function that, IMHO, is much better done in brainware :-) The more so as
those who would want or need it thing are probably all using MS-Outlook
or some other program designed for the mentally self-handicapped.

I do think PC-Pine is the best mail program I've found for Windoze, but
it still has some pretty annoying problems. The Pine development team
doesn't seem interested in addressing them, so it seems that the only
way they'll be fixed is for them to release the source.

James

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, James wrote:

[...]

> I know it's frequently been stated that they can't release the source
> because the spell checker is copyrighted. What I'm asking is why on
> earth it needs to have a spell checker in the first place? That's a
> function that, IMHO, is much better done in brainware :-) The more so
> as those who would want or need it thing are probably all using
> MS-Outlook or some other program designed for the mentally
> self-handicapped.

I'm a pretty good proofreader but a pretty poor typist, so I'm grateful
for the spell-checker to catch inadvertent typos before I go on to
proofread... and the spell-checker won't get the difference between "to"
and "too" or "their" and "there" if you misused them, or made a typo that
was a real word in its own context, but it is a big help especially with a
large piece of writing.

Freda Birnbaum, [email protected]
"Call on God, but row away from the rocks"

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I'm trying to link my pc-pine to view images. The mimetype file is in
place, the mailcap file is in place and the image line reads:

image/*;C:\Program Files\Netscape\Communicator\Program\netscape.exe %s

pine fires up the netscape viewer and attempts to see the image indicated
using the command:
C:\Program Files\Netscape\Communicator\Program\netscape.exe c:\windows\TEMP\im701037.jpe

I get a failure message that netscape can't find the image indicated.
When I explore windows\temp, it isn't there. It appears that pine is not
writing out the temp file image that the viewers need.

Is this a known problem, or am I just configured or doing it wrong.

yes, I've tried other viewers with the same results.

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*** Chuck Everett ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I get a failure message that netscape can't find the image indicated.
:) When I explore windows\temp, it isn't there. It appears that pine is not
:) writing out the temp file image that the viewers need.
:)
:) Is this a known problem, or am I just configured or doing it wrong.

Chuck,

This is a bug introduced in Pine4.32 which was fixed in version 4.33.
The only possible way to fix it in Pc-Pine is by upgrading to the newest
version.

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James,

> Of course they don't HAVE to do anything they don't want to, since it's
> their product. We're just trying to convince them that they SHOULD want
> to, in order to have more happy users.

I believe they DO want to.

> I know it's frequently been stated that they can't release the source
> because the spell checker is copyrighted. What I'm asking is why on
> earth it needs to have a spell checker in the first place? That's a
> function that, IMHO, is much better done in brainware :-)

Well, brain-ware is much more fallible in some individuals. Not only that, I
know a fair amount (since I live in Taiwan) of non-native English speakers who
rely on spell checkers to a large extent. They have had "nasty" experiences
with westerners, mostly Americans (of which I happen to be one), inferring and
directly telling them they are "stupid" because they couldn't spell.

(BTW, my spell checker couldn't find "brainware" and it wasn't in the Webster's
on my desk so you may want to consider a "-". :-) :-) )

> The more so as
> those who would want or need it thing are probably all using MS-Outlook
> or some other program designed for the mentally self-handicapped.

Or even those who happen to be handicapped by the requirements of the company
they work for.

> I do think PC-Pine is the best mail program I've found for Windoze, but
> it still has some pretty annoying problems. The Pine development team
> doesn't seem interested in addressing them, so it seems that the only
> way they'll be fixed is for them to release the source.

The Pine developer's eventually get around to fixing things if you document the
problems and ask them nicely. Problems are *never* fixed as fast as one likes.
In a large part I find the pine team much more responsive and open than software
developers that require payment for their products. This includes both
commercial and shareware.

Try to keep some perspective. Pine is *not* "open source". As a matter of
fact, it is only through good graces that UW has shared pine and the source with
the general public. The salaries of the pine development team is paid by UW and
the priorities of UW come first.

Ed

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** David Bradford ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list on...:
>
> :) I can open my INBOX and read my mail fine. But when I try to do an
> :) aggregate Select (;) pine responds with:
> :)
> :) [Can't search that character set.]
>
> Pine is determining the charset of the text you entered to select and
> somehow it does not match what your imap server can search in. Are you
> trying to search by From or subject (maybe all text?). Could you tell us
> exactly how to reproduce the error you are receiving?

It seems to happen regardless of my search criteria. The only aggregate
command that works is a Select All.

My service provider is (was) Portland, OR based teleport.com. Teleport
supports (supported) IMAP. Teleport was recently bought by onemain.com
(which was soon thereafter bought by Earthlink). Neither onemain.com or
earthlink.net support IMAP.

My inbox-path in my pinerc file reads:

inbox-path={mail.teleport.com/imap/user=dbradfor}INBOX

This still works for retrieving E-mail. But since the acquisition of
Teleport by OneMain, I've been getting the [Can't search that character
set.] message. My hunch is they relocated my mail file to a
OneMain/Earthlink non-IMAP server and Teleport's IMAP server is now being
used simply for pass-thru access.

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>From this account, I'm able to access three different remote POP3
mailboxes but there's a fourth that simply won't come up. I know that I
have the address and format of the incoming-folders string in .pinerc
right but each time I try to access it, I receive the message that the
password that I've entered is incorrect. I don't know much more than just
enough to be dangerous about POP3 servers ... does anybody have a clue
that I might pass along to the techies at the ISP housing the server I'm
trying to reach?

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Is there a limit on the number of filtering rules you can have? I have
nine defined and they're all there in .pinerc but when I actually go to
the filtering rules list screen, the last one doesn't show. However, when
I compose new mail (such as this message) I'm always prompted with a
question as to whether I want to use that rule. In other words, it
appears to be active but doesn't show up in the setup display.
Physically, the missing rule appears immediately below the last rule that
does display and if I try to cursor down or hit the space bar when that
particular rule is highlighted, I'm told that I'm at the bottom. In other
words, only 8 rules will display, seemingly, even though I have 9 created.

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Ok, I think I figured out what the deal was with my messages getting "messed
up" when saving them to other folders.. (Specificially it was when saving
from my suspected_spam folder back to my INBOX.)

If I am in show all headers mode, and I save the message to another
mail folder, the headers are DUPLICATED.. And I get a wacky message --
sometimes the subject and such info in pine is messed up from the original.

I *really like* the fact that when I reply to a message in show all headers
mode it still shows all headers.. But it seems to me that *saving* a message
should simply duplicate it and not munge it in any way regardless of
header showing or any other settings.

pine 4.33

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I have seen a lot of oddities to do with the length of the PINERC (which
contains filters and the like). When something gets too big (I am unsure
of what) things get dropped off the end; I have seen this with various
rules and not just filters.

I just worked around it by having fewer.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Walt Smith wrote:

:>Is there a limit on the number of filtering rules you can have? I have
:>nine defined and they're all there in .pinerc but when I actually go to
:>the filtering rules list screen, the last one doesn't show. However, when
:>I compose new mail (such as this message) I'm always prompted with a
:>question as to whether I want to use that rule. In other words, it
:>appears to be active but doesn't show up in the setup display.
:>Physically, the missing rule appears immediately below the last rule that
:>does display and if I try to cursor down or hit the space bar when that
:>particular rule is highlighted, I'm told that I'm at the bottom. In other
:>words, only 8 rules will display, seemingly, even though I have 9 created.
:>
:>

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

>Ok, I think I figured out what the deal was with my messages getting "messed
>up" when saving them to other folders.. (Specificially it was when saving
>from my suspected_spam folder back to my INBOX.)
>
>If I am in show all headers mode, and I save the message to another
>mail folder, the headers are DUPLICATED.. And I get a wacky message --
>sometimes the subject and such info in pine is messed up from the original.

I just tried this and couldn't replicate it. Red Hat Linux 7.0
plus PINE 4.33-2. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen though..
Just giving feedback.. Perhaps your spam filter is calling
formail or something and accidentally duping headers? Just a
thought to throw in.. Maybe there is a bug though.

>I *really like* the fact that when I reply to a message in show
>all headers mode it still shows all headers.. But it seems to
>me that *saving* a message should simply duplicate it and not
>munge it in any way regardless of header showing or any other
>settings.
>
>pine 4.33

Can't reproduce.. Can anyone else reproduce this (in Red Hat
Linux any version - with offical Red Hat RPMS?)

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> If I am in show all headers mode, and I save the message to
> another mail folder, the headers are DUPLICATED.. And I get a
> wacky message -- sometimes the subject and such info in pine is
> messed up from the original.

Does this happen only when you save to INBOX? What is the exact folder
name that you give Pine to save the message to? Occasionally, I've
known it to mess up on just INBOX, and have had to specify
{mail.example.com}INBOX

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I'm not aware of any length limits or number of filters limits. You should
be able to have as many as you want. Would you mind sending your .pinerc
file? How about a debug file produced by running pine -d9? Send to
[email protected]. Thanks.

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Dear all,

Is there multi-language support built within pine for PC ?
I use both unix and pc versions. In Unix there is no problem for me typing
in German or in Greek.
However if I try to do this via Win2000 I get nothing
on the display. I can read everything ok (the special letters by changing
the windows fonts) but I can not write.
The PC has installed multi-language support (and there is no problem with
other applications).

I wonder if anyone had similar problems and if anyone has
any good ideas what might be wrong.

Thank you in advance,
akis

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I am attempting to process an Excel spreadsheet sent to me as an
attachment. When I attempt to open the spreadsheet, PC-Pine does not how
to handle the attachment.

I have changed my mimetype file several times:

application/excel xls
application/msexcel xls

having reviewed the pine-info archives for tips/suggestions.

Do I need to change my mailcap file also?

BTW -- MS Word Documents are handled properly.

Thanks in advance.

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Hello,

I was trying to do a "Select by date" in newsgroups, so I pressed "; D
^X" which should give the date of the message where the cursor is on. I
only got "0-???-1970". Certainly this is not correct. Is ^X, not supposed
to work on newsgroups?

Also, I do remember having read once that you could cancel a command
while it was executing in a newsgroup. Since Pine was taking too long in
doing the selection I pressed cancel, but the command was never cancelled.
I could not find this information again, I thought I read in in the source
code, but I could not find it, so there are two questions here:

- Can you cancel a command while it's being executed in a newsgroup? (I
think I could do that before)

and

- If you can not cancel a command while it's being executed in a
newsgroup, can you add this feature (again)?

Also, it would be very nice if Pine had some kind of "cancel" key to
each process. E.g., "cancel while opening a newsgroup", etc.

Thanks for your consideration

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Subject: Feature Request: Include help for select menus
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Pine team,

I just got an e-mail from someone who couldn't figure out what the Flip
selection command does (under ; to select when there are already messages
selected). I can't find any help screens in those menus, which is the
first place I'd look if I didn't know what that command did. Could you
please consider adding help screens for the select menus? Or, if you'd
rather not do that for consistency's sake, you might want to reword the
command from "Flip selected" to "Flip (invert) selection" or something
like that.

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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why ^X was chosen as the command
to send a message? It's not very intuitive, and dangerously close to ^C.

I'm not asking to change it - that would cause way more trouble. I'm just
curious. :)

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On Feb 16, 2001 at 18:09, Scott Leibrand wrote:

>Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why ^X was chosen as the command
>to send a message? It's not very intuitive, and dangerously close to ^C.

I'm guessing: Emacs.

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why ^X was chosen as the command
> to send a message? It's not very intuitive, and dangerously close to ^C.

What would you like? Why do you think it was chosen in Emacs? The proximty
of the Control key and the X key on most keyboards is very good.

I just wish I could press Ctrl-X twice to send so that I don't have to use
my other hand to press Y or Enter. *wink* *wink*

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Greetings,
I've searched through the mailing list archives and I've found this
question asked once before, but the answer to the problem was not in the
archive. If someone would be kind enough to answer this for me, I would
appreciate it.

When attempting to send an email from a non-root user using pine, I g=
et
the following error, "Mail not sent: .0.0 Can't create transcript file
=2E/xff1I3u2j05481: Permissi". I'm assuming that it is telling me that I =
do not
have permission to write to that filename (which does change.)

What needs to be done to resolve this situation? Here are some vital
stats:
Red Hat 7.0 (with many upgrades)
Pine 4.33
Sendmail 8.11.2 (Installed from PLD sendmail-8.11.2-3.src.rpm)
Linux kernel: 2.2.16

Thanks for any assistance that you can offer,
John Evans

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John,

> When attempting to send an email from a non-root user using pine, I get
> the following error, "Mail not sent: .0.0 Can't create transcript file
> ./xff1I3u2j05481: Permissi". I'm assuming that it is telling me that I do not
> have permission to write to that filename (which does change.)
>
> What needs to be done to resolve this situation? Here are some vital
> stats:
> Red Hat 7.0 (with many upgrades)
> Pine 4.33
> Sendmail 8.11.2 (Installed from PLD sendmail-8.11.2-3.src.rpm)
> Linux kernel: 2.2.16
>
> Thanks for any assistance that you can offer,

I've a system running "stock" Red Hat 7.0 with pine 4.33 and I don't have this
problem.

The problem is apparently a non-root user calling "sendmail" and permissions on
a directory being set too strict.

A simple work-around would be to specify an "smtp-server" in the setup for pine.
This way pine will talk to sendmail on port 25 rather than calling the binary.

Ed

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Hi All,

I'm clearly not as computer savvy as most of you out there, so please bear
with me. I recently graduated from a university, and they have just closed
my email account. I had used Pine on their Linux system to send & receive
email. Before my account was closed, I decided to archive all of my old
incoming and outgoing email messages from their server to my home computer.
I was able to FTP all of the sent-mail folders to my computer, but wasn't
able to do that with the Inbox, so I downloaded all my Inbox messages into
Outlook Express 5. The consultants at my school suggested that I use PC-Pine
to view the contents of my local folders, which has worked great to view my
old sent-mail folders, but the only way I am able to view my old incoming
messages is through Outlook Express. My question is: is there any way to
convert the Inbox.dbx file that Outlook Express created into an Inbox folder
that PC-Pine can view? I would love to be able to use the same program to
view both my archived incoming and outgoing mail.

Thanks in advance,

Matt Badanek
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Try the following site, theres a program called mbx2mbox which should do
what you want
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~dwc3q/code/index.html
or you can search for it on sourceforge which I beleive has a link for it as
well. Anyway, hope it does what you need.

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From: "Matthew Badanek" <[email protected]>
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> Hi All,
>
> I'm clearly not as computer savvy as most of you out there, so please bear
> with me. I recently graduated from a university, and they have just closed
> my email account. I had used Pine on their Linux system to send & receive
> email. Before my account was closed, I decided to archive all of my old
> incoming and outgoing email messages from their server to my home
computer.
> I was able to FTP all of the sent-mail folders to my computer, but wasn't
> able to do that with the Inbox, so I downloaded all my Inbox messages into
> Outlook Express 5. The consultants at my school suggested that I use
PC-Pine
> to view the contents of my local folders, which has worked great to view
my
> old sent-mail folders, but the only way I am able to view my old incoming
> messages is through Outlook Express. My question is: is there any way to
> convert the Inbox.dbx file that Outlook Express created into an Inbox
folder
> that PC-Pine can view? I would love to be able to use the same program to
> view both my archived incoming and outgoing mail.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Matt Badanek
> [email protected]
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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>On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why ^X was chosen as the command
>> to send a message? It's not very intuitive, and dangerously close to ^C.
>
>What would you like? Why do you think it was chosen in Emacs? The proximty
>of the Control key and the X key on most keyboards is very good.

Holy Emacs was created before the PC so the <Control> key was still
to the left of the <A> key, where it belongs.

>I just wish I could press Ctrl-X twice to send so that I don't have to use
>my other hand to press Y or Enter. *wink* *wink*

I'm surpised that there's no send-without-confirm setup option.
MC must be worried about wasted bandwidth, though it's too late
for that...

>Henrik Edlund <[email protected]>
>http://www.edlund.org/
>
> "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
>Naturally they became heroes."
> Leia Organa of Alderaan, Senator
>

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On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Michael D. Walker wrote:

> Holy Emacs was created before the PC so the <Control> key was still
> to the left of the <A> key, where it belongs.

And hence close to the X.

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Hi,

I searched the Pine pages and email list archive for instructions on using
the -I switch, but didn't come up with much. I am hoping that someone on
this list can clarrify what is wrong with this command:

pine -attach ise-mojo.zip -I^x,y [email protected]

What is was hoping to do is automatically send an attachement
automatically from the command prompt, so I could execute it from a cron
job. The syntax seems fine to me, but obviously it is not working. It
still brings up the compose email screen, where I then have to ^x and y it
manualy.

Any ideas?

Thank you for your time

michael

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On 02/20/01 at 7:54am -0800, Institute for Social Ecology <ise@social-ecolo...:

> I searched the Pine pages and email list archive for instructions on using
> the -I switch, but didn't come up with much. I am hoping that someone on
> this list can clarrify what is wrong with this command:
>
> pine -attach ise-mojo.zip -I^x,y [email protected]
>
> What is was hoping to do is automatically send an attachement
> automatically from the command prompt, so I could execute it from a cron
> job. The syntax seems fine to me, but obviously it is not working. It
> still brings up the compose email screen, where I then have to ^x and y it
> manualy.

That syntax only applies after you've applied Eduardo's "Pine sends e-mail
from the command line" patch from
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/outgoing.html

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Sorry if I'm being a jackass here, but when I'm reading my msg's
I can't seem to get the expanded headers to toggle on and off using
'h' or 'H' or '^h' or '^H'. I remember this functionality from
the solaris versions I've run and it seems to be supported based
on the pc-pine help.

any pointers would be appreciated.

Jamie

p.s. pc-pine 4.33 on NT-4.0

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*** Jamie Sparks ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Sorry if I'm being a jackass here, but when I'm reading my msg's
:) I can't seem to get the expanded headers to toggle on and off using
:) 'h' or 'H' or '^h' or '^H'. I remember this functionality from
:) the solaris versions I've run and it seems to be supported based
:) on the pc-pine help.

Before you can use the "h"eaders command, press M S C and

[X] enable-full-header-cmd

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Thanks Eduardo!

(I was being a jackass after all.)

Jamie

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Jamie Sparks ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) Sorry if I'm being a jackass here, but when I'm reading my msg's
> :) I can't seem to get the expanded headers to toggle on and off using
> :) 'h' or 'H' or '^h' or '^H'. I remember this functionality from
> :) the solaris versions I've run and it seems to be supported based
> :) on the pc-pine help.
>
> Before you can use the "h"eaders command, press M S C and
>
> [X] enable-full-header-cmd
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*** Jamie Sparks wrote on pine-info list today at 12:13:26 -0500:

> Sorry if I'm being a jackass here, but when I'm reading my msg's
> I can't seem to get the expanded headers to toggle on and off using
> 'h' or 'H' or '^h' or '^H'. I remember this functionality from
> the solaris versions I've run and it seems to be supported based
> on the pc-pine help.

Go to

[M]ain -> [S]etup -> [C]onfiguration

[X] Enable-full-header-cmd

Do you have this enabled?

p.s. Please include an appropriate subject line in your message whenever you
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> p.s. Please include an appropriate subject line in your message whenever you
> post a message on the list.

An oversight on my part. I replied to a previous msg and forgot to
amend the subject line.

Jamie

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Hello all. Has anyone had any problems with pine 4.2 in Solaris 8? We
are running Solaris 8 on some of our machines and we have problems with
pine and locking. Anyone run into anything like this?

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pine 4.30 (same disclaimer - I'll update it at some point after OSX ships!)

first of all, the "quell lock warnings" pref doesn't seem to actually quell
them.. I see the lock warnings all the time (I often run two mailers at one
time). Maybe I'm misinterpreting what it does but the help seems to say
that I'll never see a lock warning with that option turned on.

My main problem:

I just sent a mail and first it timed out (I said yes to break connection to
server). I immediately tried to send again, and it sent, but was unable to
save it to my sent-mail folder. "Append FAILED!!!" or something like that is
what it said.

Anyway, the resulting message was then:

[Message sent and saved to .]

I just got new mail or I'd've copied the exact thing.

Obviously this is a cosmetic bug. It should probably just say
[Message sent]
or be more explicit and say
[Message sent but NOT saved to <selected folder> because of <failure reason>]

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One possibility would be that your sendmail is not set uid root, which it
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I have both Linux and Windoze installed on my machine, and would like to
have both access the same mail files, so that I won't have to quit Linux
to look at the mail I received while I was running Windoze, or vice
versa.

In Linux, I've mounted the Windoze partition as /f, so in the .pinerc
file I set "folder-collections=Mail f:\home\mail\[*.mtx]". Now from
Pine, I can do an "L" command, and see the list of folders in the mail
directory. However, when I try to open one of them, more often than not
Pine simply stalls in the open. (But strangely enough, not on every
one: I can open one or two of the dozen or so.)

Has anyone done this before, or have ideas as to what might be going on?
I'm using 4.21 on both systems.

Thanks,
James

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heya all...

is there a way to avoid HTML messages from being interpreted?

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On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, William Maddler wrote:

>is there a way to avoid HTML messages from being interpreted?

Yes:

[ Viewer Preferences ]
[X] enable-msg-view-attachments
[X] enable-msg-view-urls
[X] enable-msg-view-web-hostnames
[X] enable-msg-view-addresses
[ ] enable-msg-view-forced-arrows
[ ] prefer-plain-text

The prefer-plain-text option is what you want.

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, William Maddler wrote:
:)
:) >is there a way to avoid HTML messages from being interpreted?
:)
:) Yes:
:) [snip]
:) The prefer-plain-text option is what you want.

Correct, but only if there's text and not html. In another words, you can
have html displayed if there's no plain text attachment. I think in
general the answer to the original question is no, although I think it
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 [email protected] wrote:
>From: James <[email protected]>
>I have both Linux and Windoze installed on my machine, and would like to
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If you access your mail with IMAP rather than POP, it won't matter WHAT
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How does one enable reply-to-all by default?

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) How does one enable reply-to-all by default?

Good question, I don't think you can do it by default. We need another
configuration option or a new menu when you press "R" to reply.

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On Feb 22, 2001 at 12:25, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>:) On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, William Maddler wrote:
>:) >is there a way to avoid HTML messages from being interpreted?
>:) Yes:
>:) [snip]
>:) The prefer-plain-text option is what you want.
>
>Correct, but only if there's text and not html. In another words, you can
>have html displayed if there's no plain text attachment. I think in
>general the answer to the original question is no, although I think it
>should be configurable.

Always run with full headers? That shows the source.

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*** Satya ([email protected]) wrote on Feb 23, 2001:

:) >Correct, but only if there's text and not html. In another words, you can
:) >have html displayed if there's no plain text attachment. I think in
:) >general the answer to the original question is no, although I think it
:) >should be configurable.
:)
:) Always run with full headers? That shows the source.

Interesting alternative, it works when the body of the message is in HTML.
When it is the attachment, things change a little bit, and in order to see
the html code directly you have to pipe it to "cat".

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On Feb 22, 2001 at 19:16, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>*** Satya ([email protected]) wrote on Feb 23, 2001:
>:) Always run with full headers? That shows the source.
>
>Interesting alternative, it works when the body of the message is in HTML.
>When it is the attachment, things change a little bit, and in order to see
>the html code directly you have to pipe it to "cat".

Pine 4.21 here. Having full headers on, I can '>' to the attachments
list, see the (presumably multipart/alternative) text and HTML
attachments, '>' to the HTML one, and see the source.

Perhaps 4.21 is calling cat? I didn't tell it to do that.

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On Feb 22, 2001 at 19:53, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>*** Satya ([email protected]) wrote on Feb 23, 2001:
>:) Pine 4.21 here. Having full headers on, I can '>' to the attachments
>:) list, see the (presumably multipart/alternative) text and HTML
>:) attachments, '>' to the HTML one, and see the source.
>:)
>:) Perhaps 4.21 is calling cat? I didn't tell it to do that.
>
>Hmm I don't know what's going on in your side. Does that happen with
>this message? Do you have an entry for text/html in your .mailcap file?

It happens with this message. Not in ~/.mailcap, not in /etc/mailcap*.

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mpack is a much better solution. It does exactly what you're trying to do.
>
> I searched the Pine pages and email list archive for instructions on using
> the -I switch, but didn't come up with much. I am hoping that someone on
> this list can clarrify what is wrong with this command:
>
> pine -attach ise-mojo.zip -I^x,y [email protected]

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???
You are telling Linux Pine to look at "f:\home\mail\[*.mtx]"?!?!?
Linux doesn't parse DOS paths. You should instead set it to
"/f/home/mail/[*.mtx]".

> In Linux, I've mounted the Windoze partition as /f, so in the .pinerc
> file I set "folder-collections=Mail f:\home\mail\[*.mtx]". Now from
> Pine, I can do an "L" command, and see the list of folders in the mail
> directory. However, when I try to open one of them, more often than not
> Pine simply stalls in the open. (But strangely enough, not on every
> one: I can open one or two of the dozen or so.)
>
> Has anyone done this before, or have ideas as to what might be going on?
> I'm using 4.21 on both systems.
>
> Thanks,
> James
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> >I have both Linux and Windoze installed on my machine, and would like to
> >have both access the same mail files, so that I won't have to quit Linux
> >to look at the mail I received while I was running Windoze, or vice
> >versa.
>
> If you access your mail with IMAP rather than POP, it won't matter WHAT
> operating system you're running when you get mail, since it will all
> be on the server.

Thanks, but that's not how I'm set up. My access to the mail server is
through a modem. Any mail received is downloaded to my machine before I
see it, so I can read it at my leisure and not tie up the single phone
line more than necessary.

All the mail I want to work with exists in various Pine "folders" (*.mtx
files) on my machine, so I would think I ought to be able to access them
(and indeed I can look at them with an editor, and don't notice any
obvious differences between the ones Pine can read and the ones it
can't). So what's the trick?

Thanks,
James

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> Thanks, but that's not how I'm set up. My access to the mail server is
> through a modem. Any mail received is downloaded to my machine before I
> see it, so I can read it at my leisure and not tie up the single phone
> line more than necessary.
>
> All the mail I want to work with exists in various Pine "folders" (*.mtx
> files) on my machine, so I would think I ought to be able to access them
> (and indeed I can look at them with an editor, and don't notice any
> obvious differences between the ones Pine can read and the ones it
> can't). So what's the trick?

Maybe the ^M's at the end of the line? DOS text does this, *nix
doesn't. Thank you, Bill Gates!

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> > >I have both Linux and Windoze installed on my machine, and would like to
> > >have both access the same mail files, so that I won't have to quit Linux
> > >to look at the mail I received while I was running Windoze, or vice
> > >versa.
> >
> > If you access your mail with IMAP rather than POP, it won't matter WHAT
> > operating system you're running when you get mail, since it will all
> > be on the server.
>
> Thanks, but that's not how I'm set up. My access to the mail server is
> through a modem. Any mail received is downloaded to my machine before I
> see it, so I can read it at my leisure and not tie up the single phone
> line more than necessary.
>
> All the mail I want to work with exists in various Pine "folders" (*.mtx
> files) on my machine, so I would think I ought to be able to access them
> (and indeed I can look at them with an editor, and don't notice any
> obvious differences between the ones Pine can read and the ones it
> can't). So what's the trick?

Maybe Pine cannot read files with CR-LF but with only LF?

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel Sands wrote:

> ???
> You are telling Linux Pine to look at "f:\home\mail\[*.mtx]"?!?!?
> Linux doesn't parse DOS paths. You should instead set it to
> "/f/home/mail/[*.mtx]".

Sorry, that was a typo. I should have said that in the PC-Pine pinerc
file, it's set to "f:\home\mail\[*.mtx]", while in the Linux .pinerc
file, the same variable is set to "/f/home/mail/[*.mtx]", with the
Windoze F: partition mounted as /f.

James

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On 21 Feb 2001, James ([email protected]) wrote:
> I have both Linux and Windoze installed on my machine, and would like to
> have both access the same mail files, so that I won't have to quit Linux
> to look at the mail I received while I was running Windoze, or vice
> versa.
>
> In Linux, I've mounted the Windoze partition as /f, so in the .pinerc
> file I set "folder-collections=Mail f:\home\mail\[*.mtx]". Now from
> Pine, I can do an "L" command, and see the list of folders in the mail
> directory. However, when I try to open one of them, more often than not
> Pine simply stalls in the open. (But strangely enough, not on every
> one: I can open one or two of the dozen or so.)

I don't have a dual boot machine but it's something I want to do
one of these days so I'm very curious about this too. If I were
you, here's what I'd try. First make sure that both PC-Pine and
Linux Pine are the latest version (4.33). Then replicate one of
the folders that you can open on both systems; call the replicant
Good (there is no need to use an extension like .MTX so don't).
Now in PC-Pine open one of the folders that cannot be opened in
Linux Pine. Select all the messages in the folder and save them
to the folder named Good using:

; A A S Good

Now check that you can open and read Good in PC-Pine. Next reboot
into Linux and start Linux Pine and see if Good can be read by
Linux Pine. If it can, then you have a procedure for converting
the "Bad" folders to Good folders.

Let us know what happens,
Nancy
Infinite Ink
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel Sands wrote:

> > All the mail I want to work with exists in various Pine "folders" (*.mtx
> > files) on my machine, so I would think I ought to be able to access them
> > (and indeed I can look at them with an editor, and don't notice any
> > obvious differences between the ones Pine can read and the ones it
> > can't). So what's the trick?
>
> Maybe the ^M's at the end of the line? DOS text does this, *nix
> doesn't. Thank you, Bill Gates!

I'll look at it, but I'd be surprised if that had anything to do with
it, since the files are stored in Pine's internal format. And after
all, any decent mail program has to be able to handle mail that was
created on either Unix or Windoze systems (or on anything else, like IBM
mainframes that use non-ASCII character sets).

James

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From: Ivan Zakharyaschev <[email protected]>
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Greetings!

I'd like know whether anyone has already built Pine against the last
glibc on Linux. Or is planning to do so in the nearest future. If yes --
could you send me the patches.

Probably they are going to be rather trivial (a few explicit "include"'s),
I just don't want the same work to be done twice. In fact, when compiling,
the first problems occur in the IMAP part of the sources.

A more global question that I always wanted to ask, but never did: is it
possible to compile Pine without having all the IMAP and c-client sources,
by including some header-files and linking against some imap or c-client
libraries? That would spare some time on building, the size of the tarball
with sources and perhaps the size of the binaries (if they are linked
dynamically against the c-client library and there are other programs in
the system that are based on the same c-client). By the way, do you know
of any other such IMAP clients (I mean, based on c-client)?

Best regards,
Ivan Z.

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:

>I'd like know whether anyone has already built Pine against the last
>glibc on Linux. Or is planning to do so in the nearest future. If yes --
>could you send me the patches.
>
>Probably they are going to be rather trivial (a few explicit "include"'s),
>I just don't want the same work to be done twice. In fact, when compiling,
>the first problems occur in the IMAP part of the sources.

The problem is the code assuming sys/time.h includes time.h,
which it no longer does. Attached is my patch from the current
Red Hat RPM's in Rawhide.

Hope this helps.

TTYL

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Ivan Zakharyaschev <[email protected]> writes:

> I'd like know whether anyone has already built Pine against the last
> glibc on Linux.

Of course. Just take a look in Rawhide.=20

> Probably they are going to be rather trivial (a few explicit
> "include"'s),

Yes.

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Red Hat, Inc.

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

>>I'd like know whether anyone has already built Pine against the last
>>glibc on Linux. Or is planning to do so in the nearest future. If yes --
>>could you send me the patches.
>>
>>Probably they are going to be rather trivial (a few explicit "include"'s),
>>I just don't want the same work to be done twice. In fact, when compiling,
>>the first problems occur in the IMAP part of the sources.
>
>The problem is the code assuming sys/time.h includes time.h,
>which it no longer does. Attached is my patch from the current
>Red Hat RPM's in Rawhide.

I hate replying to my own message, however I made a
misattribution above. It should say "the patch" not "my patch" -
a brainfart on my part.. The patch is Trond's and was taken from
our imap package.

Just wanted to correct this attribution.

TTYL

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Mike, Trond, thank you.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:
>
> >I'd like know whether anyone has already built Pine against the last
> >glibc on Linux. Or is planning to do so in the nearest future. If yes
> --
> >could you send me the patches.
> >
> >Probably they are going to be rather trivial (a few explicit
> "include"'s),
> >I just don't want the same work to be done twice. In fact, when
> compiling,
> >the first problems occur in the IMAP part of the sources.
>
> The problem is the code assuming sys/time.h includes time.h,
> which it no longer does. Attached is my patch from the current
> Red Hat RPM's in Rawhide.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> TTYL

Best regards,
Ivan Z.

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The only thing I can think of is to make sure that the drive is mounted with
correct permissions so you will have permissions to read and write from/to
on
the *nix side of things.

I know you're not using Exchange or MAPI, but another thing that was causing
mine to stall for a few minutes on my folder-collections with MS Exchange
was
the rsh timeout value. I had to set it to 0 for my setup to work right.

I wonder if it might be thinking it needs to rsh to the folder collection
before
reading from the "local" files.

Hope this helps...
Damon Massey
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I have both Linux and Windoze installed on my machine, and would like to
have both access the same mail files, so that I won't have to quit Linux
to look at the mail I received while I was running Windoze, or vice
versa.

In Linux, I've mounted the Windoze partition as /f, so in the .pinerc
file I set "folder-collections=Mail f:\home\mail\[*.mtx]". Now from
Pine, I can do an "L" command, and see the list of folders in the mail
directory. However, when I try to open one of them, more often than not
Pine simply stalls in the open. (But strangely enough, not on every
one: I can open one or two of the dozen or so.)

Has anyone done this before, or have ideas as to what might be going on?
I'm using 4.21 on both systems.

Thanks,
James

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ok, saving a message from my suspected_spam folder into my INBOX got
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Hello,

Here's a bug, if you have enabled the "recognition" of url and email
addresses, the following address (is a valid e-mail address) is recognized
as a url, not as an e-mail address.

[email protected]

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:45:38 -0800 (PST)
>From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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>
>Hello,
>
> Here's a bug, if you have enabled the "recognition" of url and email
>addresses, the following address (is a valid e-mail address) is recognized
>as a url, not as an e-mail address.
>
> [email protected]

Likewise for ftp-whatever. Also, if you have an address like:

Please visit my website at: ftp.websites.com:~/joeblow

the heuristics will automatically turn it into an ftp URL. I
think the heuristic should ignore the first few letters and focus
on the format instead.. or have a config option..

Just a thought..

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I have some questions about accessing the pine-info archives at

*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

which is described here:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/

It's great that the UW makes these archives available via IMAP
and I'd love it if they (or someone) would make the
comp.mail.pine archives available via IMAP (maybe Google will do
that?!).

Here are my questions:

1) When I access one of these folders I get messages like this:

--- begin journal excerpt ---
Opening "pine-info.2001.02"
{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}#public/pine/pin : Mailbox vulnerable - directory /ftp/world/pine
{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}#public/pine/pin : Unable to parse internal date: 0-???-1970 00:
Folder "pine-info.2001.02" opened with 142 messages READONLY
--- end journal excerpt ---

Does the "Mailbox vulnerable" message mean that this server isn't
configured correctly or is this just the way that public folders
work? (I don't have any experience with public folders.)

2) Is this:

*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

the best way to specify the collection or is it better to use the
notation that's used in the journal (i.e., "#public")?

3) It seems to work when I put this in either my
folder-collections or my news-collections? Is there any
disadvantage to listing it in my news-collections? I'd rather put
it in my news-collections so I can have it in my pinerc-generic,
which I discuss here:

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/sharing/

4) This is a request: It would be great if the current folder
(pine-info.2001.02 at the moment) could be linked to a folder
called "current" so I could put:

{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/current,

in my incoming folder list and it would always open the current
archive.

Thanks,
Nancy

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I was working on getting S/MIME support into another MUA, and realized
that an application was sorely needed that provided a key management
database indexed by email address.

So i've put together a program called usmt, or Universal Secure Mail
Tools. Not only is it such a database, it also provides a simple and
universal interface for S/MIME backends like OpenSSL. Also, it can be
extended to support any other crypto system, like PGP.

A MUA can say to it, "This is the public key for [email protected]. And this is
my private key" and then later come back and say, "Sign this message, and
then encrypt it so that only [email protected] can see it."

The protocol by which it communicates with MUAs is a subset of RFC 822.
The program was designed so that usmt support could be added to a MUA with
as little new code as possible.

It's open source, of course. LGPLed. (Why not just GPLed? Well, even
though, as a Perl script, it can't really be linked in the traditional
sense to any MUA that i'm aware of, our legal department figured we might
as well explicitly say it's okay to use its services with a closed-source
MUA. Makes sense to me.)

I'm going to start integrating it into mutt, but would welcome any efforts
to get Pine to speak to it. It should be an easy task for someone familiar
with the Pine code, but if i'm wrong, let me know if i can make it easier
by changing the protocol or whatever.

The latest release is available at
http://download.sourceforge.net/janitor/usmt-0.4.1.tar.gz

You'll need to install some Perl modules, too:

http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/C/CJ/CJM/Tie-CPHash-1.001.tar.gz
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/G/GA/GAAS/Digest-MD5-2.12.tar.gz
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/G/GA/GAAS/MIME-Base64-2.12.tar.gz

The project mailing list is at
http://smime.pyerotechnics.com/mailman/listinfo/dev

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Is there a way to sort on a folder by folder basis in PINE?

I like my INBOX sorted in arrival order so that I can address
each message as it comes in. This works well even if some
unlucky person has his/her clock set back 2 years from running
some broken Windows game that mucks with the clock, then boots
back into Linux for example. ;o) I get the message just fine.

In mailing list folders however, I'd like it sorted by the tHread
method by default. Is there a way of setting "tHread" for
default, and then overriding it on INBOX, and possibly the odd
other folder?

If not, this would be a wonderful PINE enhancement.

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Hello,

Here's another bug. Go to your configuration, delete the value of your
personal name (make it look "<empty value>"), then exit your configuration
but say "NO" when it asks you to save the changes. Wait a few seconds, and
you'll receive the following message:

[Changes to remote-abook-validity will affect your next pine session.]

That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
second or two).

I did not make any changes. Moreover, if I quit Pine none of my
messages in my inbox are moved to the "saved-messages" folder, which
contradicts my setting of moving messages automatically when quitting.
That's another bug.

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:57:13 -0800 (PST)
>From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>Subject: another bug
>
>Hello,
>
> Here's another bug. Go to your configuration, delete the value of your
>personal name (make it look "<empty value>"), then exit your configuration
>but say "NO" when it asks you to save the changes. Wait a few seconds, and
>you'll receive the following message:
>
>[Changes to remote-abook-validity will affect your next pine session.]
>
>That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
>second or two).

Doesn't happen for me.. just to give some feedback.. I do not
use remote addr book though so maybe it only happens with remote
addrbook..

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Another idea for pine would be an auto-flush feature, which automatically
deletes a message or moves it to a pre-delete folder when one of these
(and possibly other) conditions match:
-the message is more than x days old
-the folder has more than x messages and this message is the older
-the folder's size is more than x kbytes and this message is the older

This feature would be aimed to automatically keep in a folder (probably an
incoming folder, not an archive one) just the last messages (of the last
30 days, for example) to reduce the sorting time and avoid unnoticed 20Mb
folders, among others.

I know the pruned-folders feature does this, but it just leaves you with
no messages from the day before each 1st of a month, and it works only in
a per-month basis. That IS useful for a folder like sent-mail, which one
never opens (I never do, at least). I think it's not that useful for the
inbox.

Maybe the solution is not adding a new feature but just a new field to the
filters: Days-old. Though this would work only with the first condition I
proposed, there will be then a way to achive that auto-flush effect I
mentioned at the beginning.

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*** Mike A. Harris wrote on pine-info list on 2001-02-27 at 21:22 -0500:

> Doesn't happen for me.. just to give some feedback.. I do not
> use remote addr book though so maybe it only happens with remote
> addrbook..

It didn't happen for me as well. But a strange message! Here are a few
lines from the journal file:

No Configuration changes saved
Closing empty folder "/var/spool/mail/mohit"
Changes to news-spool-directory will affect your next pine session.

Can somebody explain the last line?

(I don't use remote addressbook. Pine4.33 + some of Eduardo's patches)

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Mohit Agarwal wrote:

>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:13:00 +0530 (IST)
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>
>*** Mike A. Harris wrote on pine-info list on 2001-02-27 at 21:22 -0500:
>
>> Doesn't happen for me.. just to give some feedback.. I do not
>> use remote addr book though so maybe it only happens with remote
>> addrbook..
>
>It didn't happen for me as well. But a strange message! Here are a few
>lines from the journal file:
>
>No Configuration changes saved
>Closing empty folder "/var/spool/mail/mohit"
>Changes to news-spool-directory will affect your next pine session.
>
>Can somebody explain the last line?
>
>(I don't use remote addressbook. Pine4.33 + some of Eduardo's patches)

I don't get that problem either:

Using default value
No Configuration changes saved

I'm using 4.33+ one patch for the menu O option.

pine-4.33-0.0.4

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Fun thing to do as root, in the root directory:
chmod -R 666 *
Just as bad as rm -rf *, but more fun.
"The files are all there, but I can't do anything with them!"
And you can't change permissions, since chmod isn't executable either. :-)

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) >That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
:) >second or two).
:)
:) Doesn't happen for me.. just to give some feedback.. I do not
:) use remote addr book though so maybe it only happens with remote
:) addrbook..

I don't use remote addressbook either. Are you using the exact keystrokes
as described above?. I have two address-books though, where I separate
peoplo that relate to me in different ways (family, friends in one
addressbook and work, etc in another). You have to wait a few seconds for
the "bad" message to appear. The variable "remote-abook-validity" is
defined to be empty in my .pinerc file.

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>:) >That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
>:) >second or two).
>:)
>:) Doesn't happen for me.. just to give some feedback.. I do not
>:) use remote addr book though so maybe it only happens with remote
>:) addrbook..
>
>I don't use remote addressbook either. Are you using the exact keystrokes
>as described above?.

Precicely the same. I even did it again, and I used CTRL-M as
written above instead of using ENTER, just to be sure. I get the
same thing, no problems.

>I have two address-books though, where I separate peoplo that
>relate to me in different ways (family, friends in one
>addressbook and work, etc in another). You have to wait a few
>seconds for the "bad" message to appear. The variable
>"remote-abook-validity" is defined to be empty in my .pinerc
>file.

Mine too..

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*** Mohit Agarwal ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) It didn't happen for me as well. But a strange message! Here are a few
:) lines from the journal file:
:)
:) No Configuration changes saved
:) Closing empty folder "/var/spool/mail/mohit"
:) Changes to news-spool-directory will affect your next pine session.
:)
:) Can somebody explain the last line?
:)
:) (I don't use remote addressbook. Pine4.33 + some of Eduardo's patches)

Wow, that's strange. Before anyone jumps into conclusions, I always keep a
clean version of Pine so that I can test bugs before I report them
(otherwise it's my bug and I fix it silently :)), and I tested this
behavior with the clean version of Pine. Having said that, the fact that
something is happening in your side (although not the same as in my
side) means that there's something wrong in Pine. What exactly? I don't
know...

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Precicely the same. I even did it again, and I used CTRL-M as
:) written above instead of using ENTER, just to be sure. I get the
:) same thing, no problems.

Hmm, more strange. I executed "pine -d 9" and then after reproducing the
bug I executed "fgrep anges .pine-debug1". This is the output, mayb
someone can explain it.

freq 12 tm 420 changes 14 since_1st_change 7
Check:if changes(14)xadj_cca(36) >= freq(12)x200
q_status_message(No Configuration changes saved)
q_status_message(Changes to news-active-file-path will af)
q_status_message(Changes to news-spool-directory will aff)
q_status_message(Changes to incoming-folders will affect )
q_status_message(Changes to folder-collections will affec)
q_status_message(Changes to news-collections will affect )
q_status_message(Changes to user-input-timeout will affec)
q_status_message(Changes to rsh-command will affect your )
q_status_message(Changes to rsh-path will affect your nex)
q_status_message(Changes to ssh-command will affect your )
q_status_message(Changes to ssh-path will affect your nex)
q_status_message(Changes to disable-these-drivers will af)
q_status_message(Changes to disable-these-authenticators )
q_status_message(Changes to remote-abook-history will aff)
q_status_message(Changes to remote-abook-validity will af)
output_message(No Configuration changes saved)
freq 36 tm 840 changes 14 since_1st_change 25
Check:if changes(14)xadj_cca(126) >= freq(36)x200
d_q_status_message(No Configuration changes saved)
d_q_status_message(Changes to news-active-file-path will af)
d_q_status_message(Changes to news-spool-directory will aff)
d_q_status_message(Changes to incoming-folders will affect )
d_q_status_message(Changes to folder-collections will affec)
d_q_status_message(Changes to news-collections will affect )
d_q_status_message(Changes to user-input-timeout will affec)
d_q_status_message(Changes to rsh-command will affect your )
d_q_status_message(Changes to rsh-path will affect your nex)
d_q_status_message(Changes to ssh-command will affect your )
d_q_status_message(Changes to ssh-path will affect your nex)
d_q_status_message(Changes to disable-these-drivers will af)
d_q_status_message(Changes to disable-these-authenticators )
d_q_status_message(Changes to remote-abook-history will aff)
output_message(Changes to remote-abook-validity will affect your next pine session.)
freq 48 tm 1260 changes 14 since_1st_change 27
Check:if changes(14)xadj_cca(136) >= freq(48)x200

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Is there a way to sort on a folder by folder basis in PINE?

Not within Pine, but you can apply a patch that I wrote which allows you
to customize this on a per folder basis. The patch is called "define your
own rules..." and you can get it from my web page, address below.

:) If not, this would be a wonderful PINE enhancement.

Yep, I enjoy it every day!

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
> second or two).
>
> I did not make any changes. Moreover, if I quit Pine none of my
> messages in my inbox are moved to the "saved-messages" folder, which
> contradicts my setting of moving messages automatically when quitting.
> That's another bug.

Doesn't happen here either.....

I'm using Solaris 7. Your headers show Pine.OSF.4.33.
Mike's shows Pine.LNX.4.33

Maybe its OS related?

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*** Nancy McGough ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) 4) This is a request: It would be great if the current folder
:) (pine-info.2001.02 at the moment) could be linked to a folder
:) called "current" so I could put:
:)
:) {ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/current,
:)
:) in my incoming folder list and it would always open the current
:) archive.

If you were on a unix environment I would tell you that you define the
path to be

{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/$DATE

where date is a generated shell variable, maybe you can do something along
those lines in windows.

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*** Eduardo Chappa wrote on pine-info list on 2001-02-27 at 20:03 -0800:

> Wow, that's strange. Before anyone jumps into conclusions, I always keep a
> clean version of Pine so that I can test bugs before I report them
> (otherwise it's my bug and I fix it silently :)), and I tested this
> behavior with the clean version of Pine. Having said that, the fact that
> something is happening in your side (although not the same as in my
> side) means that there's something wrong in Pine. What exactly? I don't
> know...

I simply tried what you'd written and found a new funny message. No idea
why it appeared. That is precisely what I'd asked; what does this message
mean?

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*** Edward M Greshko ([email protected]) wrote on Feb 28, 2001:

:) On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:)
:) > That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
:) > second or two).
:) >
:) > I did not make any changes. Moreover, if I quit Pine none of my
:) > messages in my inbox are moved to the "saved-messages" folder, which
:) > contradicts my setting of moving messages automatically when quitting.
:) > That's another bug.
:)
:) Doesn't happen here either.....

Hmm that's strange. I "deleted" my .pinerc file, started pine and repeated
the process, with the same result. Also, can you run run "pine -d 9" and
grep your .pine-debug1 file for "Changes"?, maybe they are not being
reported on line, but in your debug only?

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*** Mohit Agarwal ([email protected]) wrote on Feb 28, 2001:

:) I simply tried what you'd written and found a new funny message. No idea
:) why it appeared. That is precisely what I'd asked; what does this message
:) mean?

The message means that Pine *thinks* that it made a change to the value of
the configuration variable that is reporting to you, say the
news-spool-directory, not to the directory itself. There are certain
changes that pine can not update during the same session (e.g. after you
enable-incoming-folders you can not add one, you have to quit Pine first).
So this is telliung you the same, that the new value of the variable
"news-spool-directory" will be valid the next time you open Pine, not this
session.

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Hmm that's strange. I "deleted" my .pinerc file, started pine and repeated
> the process, with the same result. Also, can you run run "pine -d 9" and
> grep your .pine-debug1 file for "Changes"?, maybe they are not being
> reported on line, but in your debug only?

Nope....

calvin[2]% grep Change .pine-debug1
3 C [Change Va 12
3 C [Change Va 12
passwd:0 prompt:"Change field personal-name value : " label:""
3 C [Change Va 12

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*** On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 I wrote:
:) That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
:) second or two).

Just tested it with PC-Pine, it happens too!

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
> second or two).

Didn't happen to me either. Pine 4.33 on Solaris 7_x86

Hmmm, You've never noticed a bug that I have, now I can't see one that
you can. There's something going on here :-)

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> > > All the mail I want to work with exists in various Pine "folders" (*.mtx
> > > files) on my machine, so I would think I ought to be able to access them
> > > (and indeed I can look at them with an editor, and don't notice any
> > > obvious differences between the ones Pine can read and the ones it
> > > can't). So what's the trick?
> >
> > Maybe the ^M's at the end of the line? DOS text does this, *nix
> > doesn't. Thank you, Bill Gates!
>
> I'll look at it, but I'd be surprised if that had anything to do with
> it, since the files are stored in Pine's internal format. And after
> all, any decent mail program has to be able to handle mail that was
> created on either Unix or Windoze systems (or on anything else, like IBM
> mainframes that use non-ASCII character sets).

They must deal with external mail, of course. But on the local machine they
could store it in EBCDIC if they wanted to. It's actually quite easy to write
the wrong formatting if you use the fopen, fread, etc. C calls. In UNIX,
binary and text files are treated equally anymore, so nobody thinks of
including the extra "b" to read/write binary files. So DOS writes a text
file, replacing every \n with \n\r. Whether this is the case with PC-PINE, I
don't know, but I wouldn't be at all surprised.

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There is a missing set of parentheses in other.c. The only effect of the
bug is to show you the status message when it shouldn't. I've attached a
patch.

Is the saved-messages bug somehow related to this or does is it a separate
bug related only by being in the same email message? Thanks.

--
Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Here's another bug. Go to your configuration, delete the value of your
> personal name (make it look "<empty value>"), then exit your configuration
> but say "NO" when it asks you to save the changes. Wait a few seconds, and
> you'll receive the following message:
>
> [Changes to remote-abook-validity will affect your next pine session.]
>
> That's a Bug. (exact kestrokes are: M S C D Y ^M ^M E N, now wait a
> second or two).
>
> I did not make any changes. Moreover, if I quit Pine none of my
> messages in my inbox are moved to the "saved-messages" folder, which
> contradicts my setting of moving messages automatically when quitting.
> That's another bug.
>
>

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*** Steve Hubert ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) There is a missing set of parentheses in other.c. The only effect of the
:) bug is to show you the status message when it shouldn't. I've attached a
:) patch.

Thank you Steve. The patch works.

:) Is the saved-messages bug somehow related to this or does is it a separate
:) bug related only by being in the same email message? Thanks.

This bug still exists. In a somewhat related matter if I press M, the
status line at the top of the screen says:

PINE 4.33 MAIN MENU Folder: INBOX 6 Messages

Once I follow the procedure I described in my other e-mails. I get the
following status line:

PINE 4.33 MAIN MENU Folder: gton.edu/imap/user="chappa"}INBOX 6 Messages

and that's the indication that I get that when I quit, it won't move read
messages to my saved-messages folder. Notice that the definition of my
inbox-path is

inbox-path = {my.server.washington.edu/user=chappa}INBOX

The "imap" string is added by pine or c-client (?).

Thank you.

--
Eduardo
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Ok, I can reproduce that problem. It looks like it only happens when you
answer No to the "Commit changes" question, so not too serious. I haven't
figured out exactly how to fix it yet. Thanks.

Steve

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Steve Hubert ([email protected]) wrote today:
>
> :) There is a missing set of parentheses in other.c. The only effect of the
> :) bug is to show you the status message when it shouldn't. I've attached a
> :) patch.
>
> Thank you Steve. The patch works.
>
> :) Is the saved-messages bug somehow related to this or does is it a separate
> :) bug related only by being in the same email message? Thanks.
>
> This bug still exists. In a somewhat related matter if I press M, the
> status line at the top of the screen says:
>
> PINE 4.33 MAIN MENU Folder: INBOX 6 Messages
>
> Once I follow the procedure I described in my other e-mails. I get the
> following status line:
>
> PINE 4.33 MAIN MENU Folder: gton.edu/imap/user="chappa"}INBOX 6 Messages
>
> and that's the indication that I get that when I quit, it won't move read
> messages to my saved-messages folder. Notice that the definition of my
> inbox-path is
>
> inbox-path = {my.server.washington.edu/user=chappa}INBOX
>
> The "imap" string is added by pine or c-client (?).
>
> Thank you.
>
>

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Nancy -

Thank you for your message. You have observed several matters which we
will need to remedy. Unfortunately, there's a bit of confusion as to who
should do what. I've been given the problem to solve, but parts of the
fix have to be delegated to others. Please accept my apologies for any
delay in getting this fixed.

Specifically:

> I have some questions about accessing the pine-info archives at
> *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]
> which is described here:
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/

The leading "*" is an artifact of ancient history; you don't need it.
I don't think that you need the leading #public/ either.

> {ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}#public/pine/pin : Mailbox vulnerable - directory /ftp/world/pine

This is a technical matter due to the format of the files in question. I
will look into how to fix this, but for the nonce please ignore this
message in this one unique case (normally "Mailbox vulnerable" is a very
bad thing...)

> {ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}#public/pine/pin : Unable to parse internal date: 0-???-1970 00:

This is an even more serious problem. It was caused by a bug in how the
Pine archive files are written; my suspicion is that it was caused by the
"icat" program and I've sent a message to the author of icat about it.

We *will* get this fixed, but it may be a short while.

> 2) Is this:
> *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]
> the best way to specify the collection or is it better to use the
> notation that's used in the journal (i.e., "#public")?

I think that just
{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]
(no leading "*" or "#public") is best. I'll look into getting the
documentation changed (but I'm not the person to do it).

> 3) It seems to work when I put this in either my
> folder-collections or my news-collections? Is there any
> disadvantage to listing it in my news-collections?

This is all up to your own personal taste.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.

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Using PC-Pine 4.20, I have encountered a strange error using the aggregate
Select (;) command to select messages by Date. When I enter a date
criterion between the first (01) and ninth (09) of day the month, I get
the following error:

IMAP Protocol error: Invalid date in Search command

but when I enter dates from the 10th through the end of the month, no
error occurrs.

Specifically, say I enter these keystrokes (without spaces) to select
messages SINCE 02/15/2001:

; D 15-Feb-2001

I get the result expected. But when I enter

; D 02-Feb-2001

I get the above error. For any dates betwen 01 and 09, any month, any
year, I get an error; messages within the date range exist in the folder.
Same error pattern whether selecting SINCE or BEFORE the date.

Moreover, this does not occur in every folder. Two folders in which the
error does occur:

folder with 82 msgs between 10/20/2000 and 02/28/2001
folder with 104 msgs between 02/01/2001 and 02/28/2001

But another folder in which is does NOT occur:

folder with 597 msgs between 01/14/1999 and 02/28/2001

Is this a bug?

Chris Martin

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School of Medicine
Center for Gastrointestinal Biology and Disease
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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*** Steve Hubert ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Ok, I can reproduce that problem. It looks like it only happens when you
:) answer No to the "Commit changes" question, so not too serious. I haven't
:) figured out exactly how to fix it yet. Thanks.

Thanks Steve for providing me with a patch that now fixes this bug too.
If anyone is interested, the complete patch can be downloaded from my web
page, address below.

--
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/patches/others.html