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Hi,

I want to access my IMAP-Folder-Collection on my IMAP-Server with
Pine4.30.

In fact I can access my IMAP-Inbox, and I can create new remote folder
collections on the IMAP server, but I want to access subfolders of my
INBOX, which I created using Netscape Messenger or Outlook Express.

How do I have to setup this? Whenn Adding a Folder-Collection, Pine tells
me, that the Folder already exists and that it can't be created. Thats
true, but in fact I don't want to create the Folder... I just want to
access it.

Any Ideas?

Thanks!

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I've just compiled and installed Pine 4.30 on my RedHat 6.2 Linux system.
After I'd applied the patch to make it find my .pinerc file, it seemed to
work fine. I've noticed one small problem, though: if I try to save a
message from my inbox to a non-existent folder, nothing happens. Saving from
another folder (e.g. sent-mail) works fine, creating the non-existent
folder, and I can then save messages there from my INBOX as well.

I'm pretty certain this used to work on 4.21.

Just in case the above is not sufficiently clear: I use save by-fcc-of-from.
When I get a message from Joe Bloggs (nickname bloggs), and press S for
save, then I get offered [bloggs] as the default folder to save to. If this
folder doesn't exist, and I press Return, nothing happens.

If I save a message I've sent to Joe (from sent-mail to bloggs) it works
correctly. I can then save messages from my INBOX as normal.

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Is there a way to specify a subject from the command line? Using the
standard 'mail' command I can do:

mail -s "This is a test" [email protected] < a_file

what I'd *like* to do is something like:

pine -subject "This is a test" [email protected] < a_file

Is there any way I can do this?

--Jeff

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Is it possible somehow to view/generate
x.509 certs in Pine ?

I have filters to check/generate "classic" PGP certs
as used by e.g. CERT but have recently got myself a
Thawte personal certificate that works with Netscape.
I wonderered if I could use it with Pine, which is my
regular mail client.

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From: Bill Schoolcraft <[email protected]>
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Hello, is anyone aware of how I would enable PINE to add my
operating systems ID to the Message-ID: ?

Netscape shows "SunOS 5.8 i86pc"

Pine shows the same OS as "Pine.GSO.4.30."

Can I add another field to the headers from within Pine ? Thanks in
advance.

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From: "Aaron S. Hawley" <[email protected]>
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there's no chance of changing your message-id

if you really want to let people know what OS your using in your header,
customize it. related info:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/config.html#cust-hdr

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Bill Schoolcraft wrote:

> Hello, is anyone aware of how I would enable PINE to add my
> operating systems ID to the Message-ID: ?
>
> Netscape shows "SunOS 5.8 i86pc"
>
> Pine shows the same OS as "Pine.GSO.4.30."
>
> Can I add another field to the headers from within Pine ? Thanks in
> advance.

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I am just wondering if Pine has an option to automatically delete or
archive messages in a certain folder? I have looked, but may have
overlooked something. What I am meaning is a filter or something that can
be configured to let's say: "Move all messages older than 14 days from
folder Linux/Pine to folder Linux/Archive/Pine".

Another question is, when editing a message, Pine neatly goes to the next
line after let's say 75 characters, however If I add something afterwards
in between, and the line overshoots it's boundaries, it tends to really mess
up the layout. An example would be like this:
-----------------------------------------------
(missing the word "wondering)
I am just if pine has an option to automatically delete or archive messages
in a certain folder?

Corrected, this would then look like:

I am just wondering if pine has an option to automatically delete or
archive messages
in a certain folder?
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Is there a way to overcome this without having to edit each line in the
same paragraph, other than not make such stupid mistakes :-) ?

Any suggestions would be appreciated :-)

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Hi Ralph,

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:

> Another question is, when editing a message, Pine neatly goes to the next
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> in between, and the line overshoots it's boundaries, it tends to really mess
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> -----------------------------------------------
> (missing the word "wondering)
> I am just if pine has an option to automatically delete or archive messages
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> Corrected, this would then look like:
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> I am just wondering if pine has an option to automatically delete or
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> in a certain folder?
> ------------------------------------------------
> Is there a way to overcome this without having to edit each line in the
> same paragraph, other than not make such stupid mistakes :-) ?

just move the cursor to any line of the paragraph and press CTRL+J. Pico
will automaticly relayout the whole paragraph.

Ciao,

jb

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Many thanks, works like a charm :-) That is the editing part of the
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Hello everyone,

take a look at the "incoming-archive-folders" and the
"auto-move-read-msgs" features under the setup/configure screen - these
might do what You're looking for. You can specify pairs of folders where the
second one is the "archive" for the first one. Look at the context-dependent
help of these features.

Just feel free to ask any more q.s.

regards,

Mario

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Hello everyone,

I'm not a fan of lynx so I decided to usw another browser for the direct URL
viewing with Pine. But I couldn't tell Pin to permanently use w3m (temporary
setting it from the menu with "editApp" works very well with the string
w3m __URL__ ).

Is this a bug?

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When a user runs pine with an mbox, pine moves all mail in
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mario Kratzer wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>I'm not a fan of lynx so I decided to usw another browser for the direct URL
>viewing with Pine. But I couldn't tell Pin to permanently use w3m (temporary
>setting it from the menu with "editApp" works very well with the string
>w3m __URL__ ).
>
>Is this a bug?

Put the _full_ path to the executable in there. I use "links
instead of lynx, and it works fine.

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> When a user runs pine with an mbox, pine moves all mail in
> /var/spool/mail to the inbox. This behavior is not desireable,
> especially for users tat use PINE locally, as well as using
> another MUA remotely via POP/IMAP.
>
> Is there an easy way to disable this misfeature?

Please read the following thread, especially Msg 5 by Eduardo Chappa:

http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/viewthread.xp?AN=661001917%26group=comp.mail.pine

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If you view an HTML message in pine it will not convert it to ASCII.
This applies both to READ and to FORWARD.

However, if you you REPLY to the msg, the quoting of the HTML will
convert.

Why is this?

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Mike,

To answer one of your questions....

> Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox
> based merely on mbox's existance?

Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were users' inboxes are
located.

Ed

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Ed Greshko wrote:

>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:30:23 +0800
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>
>Mike,
>
>To answer one of your questions....
>
>> Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox
>> based merely on mbox's existance?
>
>Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were
>users' inboxes are located.

Fair enough. Why would someone without a quota want this?
In other words, how does one enable disable it selectively?

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*** Ed Greshko ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list.=
=2E.:

:) > Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox
:) > based merely on mbox's existance?
:)
:) Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were users'
:) inboxes are located.

That's understandable, however it strikes me that in some aspects Pine
does not change its defaults because it does not want to confuse the user,
even if it were in the convenience of him/her, but in some others it does
and it confuses everyone. In my personal opinion if there was consistency
in policy the mbox driver should be disabled by default, now it's too
late.=98

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*** Mike A. Harris ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) Fair enough. Why would someone without a quota want this?
:) In other words, how does one enable disable it selectively?

Gopi pointed out a link which answers your question. Read the whole
thread. If after following those directions you still have problems,
please let us know what failed.

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Eduardo,

> :) > Why would anyone want PINE to move their inbox to mbox
> :) > based merely on mbox's existance?
> :)
> :) Because some systems have a quotas set in the directory were users'
> :) inboxes are located.
>
> That's understandable, however it strikes me that in some aspects Pine
> does not change its defaults because it does not want to confuse the user,
> even if it were in the convenience of him/her, but in some others it does
> and it confuses everyone. In my personal opinion if there was consistency
> in policy the mbox driver should be disabled by default, now it's too
> late.�

For as long as I can remember it has been the behavior of pine that the
existance of a mbox file in the home directory resulted in moving mails from the
inbox to mbox. I believe this behavior has been documented. One "can" argue
that the mbox driver is disabled by default since it is unlikely that a user
will have an mbox file in their home directory unless they intend to use the
feature.

I believe that you are right in stating that new releases of pine do not, in
general, change default settings so as not to confuse the end-user. However,
sometimes things do change which may or may not cause confusion depending on the
end-user.

Pine, of course, has hundreds of thousands end-users. I believe it strives to
satisfy the needs of the "majority" with an occasional slant towards "best
practice" and "wage payers".

However, as long as the development team puts up a "README.first" or "CHANGES"
to highlight the differences they have done their job. If I don't read these
documents, and I often don't, I need not look further than the mirror to find
the problem.

Ed

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote:

>Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:23:24 +0100 (MET)
>From: Bruce Cohen <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>Subject: HTML?
>
>If you view an HTML message in pine it will not convert it to ASCII.
>This applies both to READ and to FORWARD.

PINE converts messages in HTML to ASCII just fine.

>However, if you you REPLY to the msg, the quoting of the HTML will
>convert.
>
>Why is this?

You must be using an old version of PINE, or missed something in
the Setup screen..

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*** Ed Greshko ([email protected]) wrote on Dec 4, 2000:

:) For as long as I can remember it has been the behavior of pine that
:) the existance of a mbox file in the home directory resulted in
:) moving mails from the inbox to mbox. I believe this behavior has
:) been documented. One "can" argue that the mbox driver is disabled
:) by default since it is unlikely that a user will have an mbox file
:) in their home directory unless they intend to use the feature.

Actually, as long as I can remember, I remember the opposite. I admit I
may be wrong though. My advisor before he moved from "mail" to "pine" had
a huge "mbox" file. I have serious reasons to believe that in the
beginning mail was not moved from the server to the mbox file, because
otherwise he would have noticed that, so I believe that actually moving
mail from the server to the mbox file is not something that old. Of course
the driver may be old, but the default behavior of using it instead of
your server I believe is not that old.

:) However, as long as the development team puts up a "README.first" or
:) "CHANGES" to highlight the differences they have done their job.
:) If I don't read these documents, and I often don't, I need not look
:) further than the mirror to find the problem.

I found this information in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/old/pine4.01.RelNotes

<quote>
Regarding mail disappearing from the system spool directory:

Beginning with Pine 4.00 (but also with earlier versions of the
University of Washington's imapd server), a new INBOX access method
is available as part of the standard configuration. It is called
the "mbox" driver and it works like this:

If the file "mbox" exists in the user's home directory, and is in
Unix mailbox format, then when INBOX is opened this file will be
selected as INBOX instead of the mail spool file. Messages will be
automatically transferred from the mail spool file into the mbox
file. Beginning with Pine 4.01, a message is displayed whenever
Pine copies messages from the system mail spool directory to the
mbox file.
[...]
To disable this behavior, either remove/rename the "mbox" file or
find the "disable-these-drivers=" variable in your Pine
configuration file and add "mbox" to it. You must manually edit the
config file so that you see the following:

disable-these-drivers=mbox
</quote> (I apologize for the long quote)

This makes me believe that Pine has not always behaved in the same way
about this driver. What seems to be the case, as I understand here is that
the use of the mbox driver as an INBOX access method is new. Not the
driver itself. My point was that Pine never changes without a
configuration option that you can set after having compiled it, so it's
surprising to see this new behavior, and make it the default (in another
words, I would have expected to see a new variable
enable-these-extra-drivers or something of that sort)

Finally, I believe there is a bug in Pine with respect to this feature,
which I tested in a clean version of pine4.30.99, with the imapd server of
the same version. I followed the following steps:

- create an empty "mbox" file (touch mbox).
- edit .pinerc and add the value "mbox" to your disable-these-drivers
variable, it should look like this:

disable-these-drivers=mbox

- start pine with some message in your inbox
- cat mbox (in another screen)

The result is that "mbox" contains the message that I had in my inbox,
whose path points out to the server. In another words, the message was
moved. This is a bug, because mbox should have been empty at the end of
the test.

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Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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Eduardo,

> </quote> (I apologize for the long quote)

No problem.....

> This makes me believe that Pine has not always behaved in the same way
> about this driver.

I've been using Pine since the 3.9X days (or was it really 3.8X???) and I feel
it has always acted this way. I've long since removed 3.9X stuff from my
systems so I can't go back and check...and it really doesn't matter in any case.

I think what you would like to see is YAP (Yet Another Parameter) in pine.
Since there isn't any existing parameter and since the behavior of the feature
is documented it would seem that a YAP doesn't seem warranted when you consider
that it may confuse even more people. Sounds like another good debate for the
developers.

> Finally, I believe there is a bug in Pine with respect to this feature,
> which I tested in a clean version of pine4.30.99, with the imapd server of
> the same version. I followed the following steps:

If pine4.30.99 is a beta for pine4.31 then there is a good chance you can report
and get the bug fixed before it goes into production.

Ed

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*** Mark Crispin ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) > The result is that "mbox" contains the message that I had in my inbox,
:) > whose path points out to the server. In another words, the message was
:) > moved. This is a bug, because mbox should have been empty at the end of
:) > the test.
:)
:) disable-these-drivers only affects Pine behavior on local files. It has no
:) effect upon IMAP sessions.

Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done
through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't
know them.

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>*** Mark Crispin ([email protected]) wrote today:
>:) > The result is that "mbox" contains the message that I had in my inbox,
>:) > whose path points out to the server. In another words, the message was
>:) > moved. This is a bug, because mbox should have been empty at the end of
>:) > the test.
>:)
>:) disable-these-drivers only affects Pine behavior on local files. It has no
>:) effect upon IMAP sessions.
>Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done
>through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't
>know them.

Since wu-imapd/ipop3d doesn't have a configuration file it's very hard to
specify it... Perhaps add another commandline argument.

Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it...
(The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have
disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.)

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In the documentation for "Building and Installing" Pine, it says

"Pine uses LDAPv2 protocol. When using LDAPv3 protocol, the results are
returned in the utf8 character set. Pine is not yet ready to deal with
that, so it tells the server to use the LDAPv2 protocol."

When will Pine and PC-Pine be ready for LDAPv3, so we can use Netscape
SDK and use our national characters, which are very widespread and
common here in Europe?

Regards

Lars Scheffmann, Network Adm. E-Mail: [email protected]
Dept. of Academic Inf. Technology Phone: +45 6550 1000 ext.2867
DOU, Odense University Direct: +45 6550 2867
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Lars Scheffmann wrote:

>
> In the documentation for "Building and Installing" Pine, it says
>
> "Pine uses LDAPv2 protocol. When using LDAPv3 protocol, the results are
> returned in the utf8 character set. Pine is not yet ready to deal with
> that, so it tells the server to use the LDAPv2 protocol."
>
> When will Pine and PC-Pine be ready for LDAPv3, so we can use Netscape
> SDK and use our national characters, which are very widespread and
> common here in Europe?

It works very well to use national characters (those part of Latin 1) with
v2. I can use the three national Swedish characters, and as you are from
Denmark it should wotk for you as well.

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote:
>
> >If you view an HTML message in pine it will not convert it to ASCII.
> >This applies both to READ and to FORWARD.
>
> PINE converts messages in HTML to ASCII just fine.

PINE only converts HTML messages that are marked as HTML... in other
words, messages with a Content-Type of "text/html".

This is probably the "correct" approach, but not necessarily the most
"user-friendly" approach. Other mail programs (IE, Netscape) are able to
view HTML messages even if there's no Content-Type header.

It used to be I would only see poorly formed messages (eg HTML message,
but no Content-Type header), with SPAM mail. Now, I'm seeing it more and
more with official company mail... mail I'm supposed to read. I hate to
admit it, but I've contemplated moving to Netscape to read my mail, just
to get around this problem. I haven't got there yet, but it has crossed
my mind. :-(

I don't think I completely disagree with the strictness of PINE's
(apparent) approach, but I for one would like to see a setup flag that
says it should be a bit more lenient in it's interpretation of what
constitutes a message in HTML format.

Alternatively, some kind of key sequence in the viewer that switches
between interpreting HTML and viewing raw text... something similar to the
way the headers are turned on/off with the "H" command.

I actually did a little code hacking and made "^H" flip between forcing
HTML interpretation and no interpretation. But, since I use PC-PINE, and
don't have the source, I don't really get to use it.

> >However, if you you REPLY to the msg, the quoting of the HTML will
> >convert.
> >
> >Why is this?
>
> You must be using an old version of PINE, or missed something in
> the Setup screen..

I haven't seen any problems with reply... well, I take that back, I've
seen weird occasional problems where a message that originally had a
Content-Type of "text/html", is converted to plain text when replying,
but, the Content-Type remains as "text/html". This forces the message to
be interpreted as HTML, but since all the HTML tags were removed, the
messages is just one big un-formated block. Very annoying.

This is basically the reverse of the problem above... something that's not
really an HTML message is being interpreted as an HTML message.

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Why don't you use "mailx" instead of "mail".

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> Is there a way to specify a subject from the command line? Using the
> standard 'mail' command I can do:
>
> mail -s "This is a test" [email protected] < a_file
>
> what I'd *like* to do is something like:
>
> pine -subject "This is a test" [email protected] < a_file
>
>
> Is there any way I can do this?
>
>
> --Jeff
>
> **********************************************************************
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Frank Zhang wrote:

> Why don't you use "mailx" instead of "mail".

How dare you encourage me to cheat on my beloved PINE. I'm a faithful
man! ;)

In any case, there's a lovely patch that allowed me to do just what I wanted
to do. You can find all sorts of cool patches at
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

--J.

> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to specify a subject from the command line? Using the
> > standard 'mail' command I can do:
> >
> > mail -s "This is a test" [email protected] < a_file
> >
> > what I'd *like* to do is something like:
> >
> > pine -subject "This is a test" [email protected] < a_file
> >
> >
> > Is there any way I can do this?
> >
> >
> > --Jeff
> >
> > **********************************************************************
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> > * http://www.slip.net/~holtonj *
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Dan Peterson, at 10:38 -0500 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote:

It used to be I would only see poorly formed messages (eg HTML message,
but no Content-Type header), with SPAM mail. Now, I'm seeing it more and
more with official company mail... mail I'm supposed to read. I hate to
admit it, but I've contemplated moving to Netscape to read my mail, just
to get around this problem. I haven't got there yet, but it has crossed
my mind. :-(

You shouldn't be so depressed; HTML allowed author's to put structure
their documents well, and meaning into them, _without_ enforcing how the
end results look (that is, of course, if Pine follows strict XHTML and
allowed a user-end stylesheet). Flat text is awful; it mandates how the
end user must read it, and is incredibly whitespace dependent. Flat text
forces the author the decide presentation, which is a big no-no in
communication.

--
Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/

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While the goal of allowing authors to put structure and meaning into
documents without forcing how the end results look is an admirable goal,
it's implementation has failed miserably IMO.

Most HTML I see these days "forces" how the end results are viewed by either
abusing or ignoring HTML specs. The largest offender of this are the
products from Microsoft, which, I'm fairly certain are responsible for the
majority of email sent in the HTML format.

Keeping your messages as close to plain text as possible ensures maximum
compatibility between mail clients, something that Microsoft (and its users)
have never cared much about.

John Lange

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[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Frank Tobin
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Dan Peterson, at 10:38 -0500 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote:

It used to be I would only see poorly formed messages (eg HTML message,
but no Content-Type header), with SPAM mail. Now, I'm seeing it more
and
more with official company mail... mail I'm supposed to read. I hate to
admit it, but I've contemplated moving to Netscape to read my mail, just
to get around this problem. I haven't got there yet, but it has crossed
my mind. :-(

You shouldn't be so depressed; HTML allowed author's to put structure
their documents well, and meaning into them, _without_ enforcing how the
end results look (that is, of course, if Pine follows strict XHTML and
allowed a user-end stylesheet). Flat text is awful; it mandates how the
end user must read it, and is incredibly whitespace dependent. Flat text
forces the author the decide presentation, which is a big no-no in
communication.

--
Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/

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John Lange, at 11:09 -0600 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote:

Most HTML I see these days "forces" how the end results are viewed
by either abusing or ignoring HTML specs. The largest offender of
this are the products from Microsoft, which, I'm fairly certain
are responsible for the majority of email sent in the HTML format.

Surprisingly, from what little I've seen, MS products do seem to generate
(huge) inline stylesheets and use them appropriately.

The answer to this is simple; have your user agent simply ignore any
presentational-based elements, such as and , etc. These
elements do not exist in XHTML, anyways.

Keeping your messages as close to plain text as possible ensures
maximum compatibility between mail clients, something that
Microsoft (and its users) have never cared much about.

Granted, this is the strongest argument for not using a markup system.
Compatibility is important, indeed. However, it can be achieved by having
MIME attachments, one that has the plain text, and one with the marked-up
text. Of course, there is duplication, but it does provide transitional
means.

If a mail client cannot handle XHTML, it is simple to run incoming
messages through a filter such as html-to-text converter before it reaches
the client. Or, it fairly trivial for even the most basic mail clients to
handle the most basic markup items that would be used, such as and
<blockquote>, and simply ignore all the rest.

In order to facilitate more terminal-based clients being able to render
XHTML, perhaps what is needed is a CSS engine for terminal screens. It
would hopefully help more than just MUA's render XML.

Of course, perhaps, another way get clients to behave better would be to
come up with a new DTD that is much simpler than XHTML, designed for mail
only. Something like XHTML-Basic, perhaps. It would only has basic
markup items that are applicable to mail messages. This would possibly
only include XHTML-inline elements, , <blockquote>, and the
newly-created elements <signature>, and <replyblock>.

Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent
system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of
my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or
whatever it is. :)

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*** Emil Isberg ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) >Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done
:) >through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't
:) >know them.
:)
:) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it...
:) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have
:) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.)

This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set
"disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine
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just noticed, on pine 4.3, I can't ^c out of:
1) view selected url
2) set up url viewer
3) compose mail

prompts.. No biggie since I can just type 'n', but I guess in pine only
I'm used to ^C being "get me out of this question entirely".

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>*** Emil Isberg ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>:) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it...
>:) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have
>:) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.)
>This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set
>"disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine
>(actually the server) will disappear.

That is a bug... It shouldn't complain (that loudly) about not finding a
driver that the user want to disable... Perhaps log a line, but not
complain.

(The reason why one would want to have disabled-these-drivers=mbox is to
forsee a future upgrade where a sysadm forgets about it... It has happen
before and will happen again.)

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*** Emil Isberg ([email protected]) wrote on Dec 5, 2000:

:) On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:) >*** Emil Isberg ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
:) >:) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it...
:) >:) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have
:) >:) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.)
:) >This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set
:) >"disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine
:) >(actually the server) will disappear.
:)
:) That is a bug... It shouldn't complain (that loudly) about not finding a
:) driver that the user want to disable... Perhaps log a line, but not
:) complain.

I don't understand this as a bug. You may suggest that pine don't complain
very loud about it, but complaining about something that is correct is
not a bug. If Pine were complaining about something incorrect, it would be
a bug.

:) (The reason why one would want to have disabled-these-drivers=mbox is to
:) forsee a future upgrade where a sysadm forgets about it... It has happen
:) before and will happen again.)

I understand your point, but actions taken or not taken by a system
administrator are not Pine's fault. I certainly disagree with the fact
that they added a new *default* INBOX access method, in my opinion they
would have been more consistent if they had added this and not make it the
default, or just to make this work for local acces and not IMAP acces.
Until today I have not received any answer as to why you can not tell the
server that you don't want to receive messages in your mbox file by
default when you do this by IMAP. This problem has been raised several
times and there's no real solution as there is with local acces.

Given that the Pine team decided to make this behavior the default, you
should be either lobbying for either make them not to make this the
default anymore or lobby for an IMAP command that allow you to tell a
server "do not transfer any messages to me by default". For consistency
this could be done through a configuration like
"disable-these-drivers=mbox", and/or other means. I believe the method
that Pine is using today is wrong in this sense and that's why you receive
this loud message from the server, but I would not qualify it as a bug
since it is behaving as designed.

I am not saying that I am right, I am just stating what my points are. I
would appreciate if someone proved me wrong.

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On Dec 4, 2000 at 10:43, Frank Tobin wrote:

>end results look (that is, of course, if Pine follows strict XHTML and
>allowed a user-end stylesheet). Flat text is awful; it mandates how the
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Then shall we switch to TeX?

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> just noticed, on pine 4.3, I can't ^c out of:
> 1) view selected url
> 2) set up url viewer
> 3) compose mail
>
> prompts.. No biggie since I can just type 'n', but I guess in pine only
> I'm used to ^C being "get me out of this question entirely".
>
>

Did you just upgrade to 4.30 and did you use the proper build
for your OS? I can compile Pine for several linux versions,
but the wrong one will cause Pine not to function properly.

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) just noticed, on pine 4.3, I can't ^c out of:
:) 1) view selected url
:) 2) set up url viewer

I suggested that whenever appropiate "^C" and "N" should both allow you to
cancel an operation, this one was an example. My suggestion was ignored at
that time. I am glad to see it back. Let me hope that they will listen
this time.

:) 3) compose mail

Really? I do not have this problem at all.

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Hi,
Is there any way to have Pine indicate what folders have new mail?

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Keith Wyatt - N6JPA wrote:

> Is there any way to have Pine indicate what folders have new mail?

FAQ. Set up Incoming Folders, or use the select command (; key) in the
folder list to select folders by whether or not they've got new messages.
You may need to enable aggregate operations in Main, Setup, Config to use
the select key.

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/custom.html#xtocid561545
http://www.washington.edu/computing/faqs/html/pine.incoming-folders
http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.6
http://www.washington.edu/computing/faqs/html/pine.agg-ops

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*** Scott Leibrand ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Keith Wyatt - N6JPA wrote:
:)
:) > Is there any way to have Pine indicate what folders have new mail?
:)
:) FAQ. Set up Incoming Folders, or use the select command (; key) in the
:) folder list to select folders by whether or not they've got new messages.
:) You may need to enable aggregate operations in Main, Setup, Config to use
:) the select key.

This does not work for incoming folders, you get an immediate error
message.

If however your folders are local (say they are in the mail/ collection),
then the above described method does work.

There is no way to indicate which incoming folders have new messages
without applying a patch which can be downloaded from my web page.

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> Until today I have not received any answer as to why you can not tell the
> server that you don't want to receive messages in your mbox file by
> default when you do this by IMAP. This problem has been raised several
> times and there's no real solution as there is with local acces.
>
> Given that the Pine team decided to make this behavior the default, you
> should be either lobbying for either make them not to make this the
> default anymore or lobby for an IMAP command that allow you to tell a
> server "do not transfer any messages to me by default".

I know that I as a SysAdmin, I do not want the users disabling this (type
of) behavior. (I happen to use the tenex folders -- mail.txt.) The spool
directory is not quota'ed at this point, but the user's home directory is.
Forcing this move keeps the user cleaning out his mail box(es).

Steve.

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I have recently put up the new release of exim (3.20) with ssl/tls
support. It sits on port 25 and advertises STARTTLS to initiate
encrypted communication with the MUA. I can't get Pine to work with
it. Pine seems to want to go to port 465 for ssl smtp (using the
smtp.path/ssl convention), and if I put exim at that port in inetd, the
connection is refused.

Having the tls inside the MTA seems good to me as it gives me the
opportunity to use encrypted AUTH SMTP on an IP basis, and I'd like to
get Pine talking that way for my people who travel.

Is there something I've missed, or is Pine not able to do this?

Netscape works (only mentioned as evidence the installation is probably
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Thanks.

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> If a mail client cannot handle XHTML, it is simple to run incoming
> messages through a filter such as html-to-text converter before it reaches
> the client. Or, it fairly trivial for even the most basic mail clients to
> handle the most basic markup items that would be used, such as and
> <blockquote>, and simply ignore all the rest.

Along those lines, do you suppose it would be possible to set up a Pine
filter/autoresponder that would, when it receives a HTML email (or MS
Word, etc.) automatically generate a response like "This user is unable
and/or unwilling to use your application to read his mail, so your
message was automatically deleted. If you really want to communicate
with him, send plain text."

That would save me a bit of aggravation from time to time.

James

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> Flat text is awful; it mandates how the
> end user must read it, and is incredibly whitespace dependent. Flat text
> forces the author the decide presentation, which is a big no-no in
> communication.

This is simply untrue. Ordinary email does not require any sort of
presentation information other than the most basic punctuation and
paragraphing, which (one would hope) would be present in HTML messages
as well.

In practice, people who send HTML email are almost invariably doing just
the opposite: they are putting a good deal of effort into enforcing a
certain presention on the recipient, even going to the lengths of (as
best I can tell from looking at the HTML) specifying fonts and images to
be used as background so as to present the appearance of rather tacky
notepaper.

James

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> Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent
> system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of
> my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or
> whatever it is. :)

Discussions of HTML aside, I agree with this point. The decision (way back
at the dawn of email) to let the author decide on which column to wrap text
instead of the recipient was a huge mistake.

I don't know if that was in an RFC or where it came from but its is only
going to get worse as time goes on. Just on the horizon is the mass
proliferation of hand held devices that have displays somewhat less than 80
characters. I can now send email from my cell phone, should I wrap the text
at its display width of 10 characters? I think not....

And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater what the
author sends, the client should be able to translate it into plain text if
they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to read your HTML email on my
text only Hand-Held device so your message should make sense without the
HTML.

For the sake of portability, I favor an extreamly reduced flavor of some
mark-up language. Something that (I believe) already exists? Correct me if
I'm wrong, but isn't there very scaled back version of HTML that allows
Hand-Held devices to view web pages? Perhaps this should become a standard
for email? Or maybe we should just let Microsoft decide (since they will
ignore the standard anyhow).

John Lange

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John Lange, at 11:09 -0600 on Mon, 4 Dec 2000, wrote:

Most HTML I see these days "forces" how the end results are viewed
by either abusing or ignoring HTML specs. The largest offender of
this are the products from Microsoft, which, I'm fairly certain
are responsible for the majority of email sent in the HTML format.

Surprisingly, from what little I've seen, MS products do seem to generate
(huge) inline stylesheets and use them appropriately.

The answer to this is simple; have your user agent simply ignore any
presentational-based elements, such as and , etc. These
elements do not exist in XHTML, anyways.

Keeping your messages as close to plain text as possible ensures
maximum compatibility between mail clients, something that
Microsoft (and its users) have never cared much about.

Granted, this is the strongest argument for not using a markup system.
Compatibility is important, indeed. However, it can be achieved by having
MIME attachments, one that has the plain text, and one with the marked-up
text. Of course, there is duplication, but it does provide transitional
means.

If a mail client cannot handle XHTML, it is simple to run incoming
messages through a filter such as html-to-text converter before it reaches
the client. Or, it fairly trivial for even the most basic mail clients to
handle the most basic markup items that would be used, such as and
<blockquote>, and simply ignore all the rest.

In order to facilitate more terminal-based clients being able to render
XHTML, perhaps what is needed is a CSS engine for terminal screens. It
would hopefully help more than just MUA's render XML.

Of course, perhaps, another way get clients to behave better would be to
come up with a new DTD that is much simpler than XHTML, designed for mail
only. Something like XHTML-Basic, perhaps. It would only has basic
markup items that are applicable to mail messages. This would possibly
only include XHTML-inline elements, , <blockquote>, and the
newly-created elements <signature>, and <replyblock>.

Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent
system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of
my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or
whatever it is. :)

--
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I don't think there is anything about a hand held device that necessarily precludes using HTML if it is properly
coded. The folks at Qualcomm seem to be doing well with there phone/email units.

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:41 -0600
From: John Lange <[email protected]>
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Subject: RE: HTML?

> Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent
> system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of
> my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or
> whatever it is. :)

Discussions of HTML aside, I agree with this point. The decision (way back
at the dawn of email) to let the author decide on which column to wrap text
instead of the recipient was a huge mistake.

I don't know if that was in an RFC or where it came from but its is only
going to get worse as time goes on. Just on the horizon is the mass
proliferation of hand held devices that have displays somewhat less than 80
characters. I can now send email from my cell phone, should I wrap the text
at its display width of 10 characters? I think not....

And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater what the
author sends, the client should be able to translate it into plain text if
they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to read your HTML email on my
text only Hand-Held device so your message should make sense without the
HTML.

For the sake of portability, I favor an extreamly reduced flavor of some
mark-up language. Something that (I believe) already exists? Correct me if
I'm wrong, but isn't there very scaled back version of HTML that allows
Hand-Held devices to view web pages? Perhaps this should become a standard
for email? Or maybe we should just let Microsoft decide (since they will
ignore the standard anyhow).

John Lange

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*** Steven Premeau ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I know that I as a SysAdmin, I do not want the users disabling this (type
:) of) behavior. (I happen to use the tenex folders -- mail.txt.) The spool
:) directory is not quota'ed at this point, but the user's home directory is.
:) Forcing this move keeps the user cleaning out his mail box(es).

All that's fine, but your whole idea breaks down when the user deletes
his/her mbox file and the server does not transfer messages anymore.
There's nothing you can do to force the user download his/her messages,
unless you force them to use POP3, and even then it may be possible to
leave them in the server. A measure like forcing people to use a mbox file
only has an effect if you keep your users uninformed about their options.
I am sure you'll have your reasons for doing that. For example in our
system we are misinformed saying that "this is the way technology is
moving, and we have to go with it", completely a mistatement. I see more
danger in giving a quota to their home directory than to their spool. I
would recommend that you give them a soft quota in their spool, when they
reach that quota new messages won't be delivered but saved somewhere else,
and they will only be delivered when the user has made enough space for
them.

For me to use the mbox file as an inbox is not a good idea, I still do
not know what the real advantage in using it is. I admit that there may be
cases where it is preferable, but I can not believe that it is an
excellent idea as the Pine team intends to convince you without any reason
to support it (press M R and take a look at the information about folder
locking). If this was an excellent idea there should be a way to force
users to use it, but there isn't, why?

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John Lange, at 11:01 -0600 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote:

And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater
what the author sends, the client should be able to translate it
into plain text if they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to
read your HTML email on my text only Hand-Held device so your
message should make sense without the HTML.

This is trivial if you use a XML-based system like XHTML. Technically
speaking, there is no way to render plain XHTML; the presentation comes
from using the stylesheets. User agents are free to support whatever
stylesheet commands they want. For example, on a hand-held device, it
would be silly to support any of the CSS font selectors, but something
like "blockquote { padding-left: 2em }" might still be viable.

For the sake of portability, I favor an extreamly reduced flavor
of some mark-up language. Something that (I believe) already
exists? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there very scaled back
version of HTML that allows Hand-Held devices to view web pages?
Perhaps this should become a standard for email? Or maybe we
should just let Microsoft decide (since they will ignore the
standard anyhow).

You're thinking of XHTML-Basic, which is a subset of XHTML, described at
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/

Some of the changes from XHTML is that it does not support inline
stylesheets (externals are recommended), script and noscript are not
supported, font elements and other text extension elements are not
supported. Tables are still the standard but not recommended. Nesting of
tables is not supported.

--
Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/

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zachariah cameron, at 12:28 -0500 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote:

I don't think there is anything about a hand held device that
necessarily precludes using HTML if it is properly coded. The
folks at Qualcomm seem to be doing well with there phone/email
units.

Disclaimer: I am not familiar with Qualcomm's phone/mail system.

While this may be true, it is probably not because the phone is not
actually capable of rendering the HTML; markup is probably modified on the
server-end, so that it can be presented to the client properly, instead of
the client being able to handle the markup in full.

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James, at 08:24 -0800 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote:

This is simply untrue. Ordinary email does not require any sort
of presentation information other than the most basic punctuation
and paragraphing, which (one would hope) would be present in HTML
messages as well.

I'm sure at one time people thought that ordinary email wouldn't need to
contain files either, but nowadays, MIME is popular for things such as
cryptographic signatures, etc. Times change.

Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such
as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I
write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a
normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting.

In particular, wouldn't it be nice if _I_ decided how blockquotes were
line-prefixed, instead of having to deal with everyone's "> ", ":) ", etc,
etc. Wouldn't it also be nice if I could render signatures in a smaller
font, or even hide them? With flat text, there is no good way to
structure the mail so parts of it can be handled differently from others.

In practice, people who send HTML email are almost invariably
doing just the opposite: they are putting a good deal of effort
into enforcing a certain presention on the recipient, even going
to the lengths of (as best I can tell from looking at the HTML)
specifying fonts and images to be used as background so as to
present the appearance of rather tacky notepaper.

Please don't attack semantic markup languages because of what people do
with them; you are free to modify clients so that they ignore parts of the
language that do not contain semantics. The whole point is that the
presentation is decided by the client.

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James, at 08:24 -0800 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote:

Along those lines, do you suppose it would be possible to set up a
Pine filter/autoresponder that would, when it receives a HTML
email (or MS Word, etc.) automatically generate a response like
"This user is unable and/or unwilling to use your application to
read his mail, so your message was automatically deleted. If you
really want to communicate with him, send plain text."

This could be easily done using procmail, looking for MIME attachments of
the specified types, and then sending canned messages back to the sender.

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such
> as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I
> write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a
> normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting.

How so? I manage to do most of these with plain text, and like as not
could easily manage the rest if I wanted them. For instance, if I
dislike the width of a message, I simply hit a key (F2 on my system),
and hey, the paragraph is reformatted to my preferred width.

> Please don't attack semantic markup languages because of what people do
> with them; you are free to modify clients so that they ignore parts of the
> language that do not contain semantics.

That's true in theory. In practice, there are a finite number of hours
in my day, and a large number of more interesting and/or remunerative
things to do with them. Yes, I COULD write my own HTML viewer, but in
real life I merely spend a few hours trying to get Netscape to produce
marginally-acceptable output - amazing how difficult it is to get it to
do simple things like display text as white on black - then give up in
disgust and accept the fact that there are documents and web sites that
I will never see.

James

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James, at 20:30 -0800 on Tue, 5 Dec 2000, wrote:

> Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such
> as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I
> write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a
> normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting.

How so? I manage to do most of these with plain text, and like as not
could easily manage the rest if I wanted them. For instance, if I
dislike the width of a message, I simply hit a key (F2 on my system),
and hey, the paragraph is reformatted to my preferred width.

>From what you write I'm assuming you're arguing that you can compensate on
the receiving end. However, as the recipient, there are definitely some
things you can't do, and some things that would prove very
difficult.

Sure, you can resize paragraphs and such. But how can you
distinguish/render emphasized text if no markup exists? You are also
subject to the author's whims on what line-prefix to use when replying to
blocks. Also, if your mailer renders mail in a variable-width font, and
the author embeds code, you probably want to render the code in a
fixed-width font; however, getting your mailer to automatically
"recognize" code and render it fixed-width without the help of markup
could prove very difficult.

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Hello,

what is the correct format for the -attachlist flag?

I am currently using:

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ame2"

which sends the mail to filename1 and filename2, but does not include them =
as attachments.

many thanks

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> Flat text decides whitespaceing, doesn't allow for semantic meaning such
> as with the use of , doesn't allow for linking, etc, etc. When I
> write email, I would like to put in any sort of semantics as I would in a
> normal conversation, such as if I'm blockquoting.

Somehow I get the feeling you're getting bound up in 5% of the cases.

What's more important is the 95% of cases in which plain ascii is perfectly
adequate. I find that is the case with my email. It's simply a waste
of bandwidth to receive a one-paragraph email that has the same information
appended in HTML. In practice, I find that 95% of the people who do this,
not only don't need the HTML attachment, but aren't even aware their
mailer added it (usually because they're running quiche-eater tools
like Outlook).

When I really need to transmit a large amount of information, nicely
formatted, then I attach a .html or .doc or whatever. But, this is
a rare event. In any event, I like Pine because Pine doesn't insist
on turning my plain ascii into HTML.

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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
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Specific information can be found in the built-in release notes ("R"
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*** Bridget Nichols ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) what is the correct format for the -attachlist flag?
:)
:) I am currently using:
:)
:) pine -I^X,y -subject "hello" [email protected] -attachlist "filename1,filename2"

Use "-attachlist filename1 filename2", without the quotes.

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Ed Arnold, at 10:09 -0700 on Wed, 6 Dec 2000, wrote:

What's more important is the 95% of cases in which plain ascii is
perfectly adequate. I find that is the case with my email. It's
simply a waste of bandwidth to receive a one-paragraph email that
has the same information appended in HTML. In practice, I find
that 95% of the people who do this, not only don't need the HTML
attachment, but aren't even aware their mailer added it (usually
because they're running quiche-eater tools like Outlook).

I have to disagree; at the very minimum, everyone uses their reply-block
demarcations, while this could be much better handled using a clean
semantic element. Also, everyone has their own demarcation for their
signature. These are possibly the two most prominent points that could be
handled with ease by non-flat text.

When I really need to transmit a large amount of information,
nicely formatted, then I attach a .html or .doc or whatever.
But, this is a rare event. In any event, I like Pine because Pine
doesn't insist on turning my plain ascii into HTML.

I certainly hope you don't use HTML so you can "nicely format" documents,
because that is not the point of HTML; the point is to introduce semantics
into a document; CSS provides presentation. And I certainly hope you
don't send .doc's, which are entirely presentational, and incredibly
inaccessible (in the W3C sense).

If these arguments for a markup language do not convince you, look towards
the accessibility issue. If we are ever going to get above the idea that
email needs to be presented visually (and instead possibly using speech),
we most definitely need to move to a markup system. Text-to-speech
programs simply cannot handle flat text mail well, as they will simply
cannot distinguish replies or signatures well, which often contain
character data that should not be rendered as-is.

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typo in pine's attachment index help:

The "ATTACHMENT INDEX" displays a list of the current message's
attachments, and allows various operations on them. The first attachment
is usually the message text, but does not include the header portion of
the message.
..
Delete
Mark the currently selected attachment for Deletion. The delete
flag only has effect when saving the message to a folder.
Attachments marked for deletion are exluded from the messsage when
it is saved. In addition, the delete mark only applies to this Pine
session.

Note the "exluded".

Even if corrected to "excluded", I don't think that's very good wording, but
at least correcting the typo is better than nothing. I think something
like:

Attachments marked for deletion are not copied to the destination folder
along with the rest of the message when it is saved.

(Or something like that in a less-wordy way... they're not excluded _from
the message_, they're excluded _from the copy operation_.)

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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Bridget Nichols wrote:

> Hello,
>
> what is the correct format for the -attachlist flag?
>
> I am currently using:
>
> pine -I^X,y -subject "hello" [email protected] -attachlist "filename1,filename2"
>
> which sends the mail to filename1 and filename2, but does not include them as attachments.
>
> many thanks
>
>

pine -attachlist file1 file2
then enter the To: address

For wildcards to send multiple files use *.html or index.* or all files
in one directory
pine -attachlist *

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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:41 -0600
>From: "John Lange" <[email protected]>
>To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: HTML?
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>> Of course, for me, the biggest benefit of using a whitespace independent
>> system would be so that I could actually view messages with full width of
>> my window, instead of having messages truncated at the 80th char, or
>> whatever it is. :)
>
>Discussions of HTML aside, I agree with this point. The decision (way back
>at the dawn of email) to let the author decide on which column to wrap text
>instead of the recipient was a huge mistake.
>
>I don't know if that was in an RFC or where it came from but its is only
>going to get worse as time goes on. Just on the horizon is the mass
>proliferation of hand held devices that have displays somewhat less than 80
>characters. I can now send email from my cell phone, should I wrap the text
>at its display width of 10 characters? I think not....

There is an RFC for flowed email.. and it's somehow downwardly
compatible with 80 column email. (I've read parts of it, it seems ok, but
I'm not a fan of flowed email in the first place..)

>And that brings me back to the point about HTML & eMail. No mater what the
>author sends, the client should be able to translate it into plain text if
>they so desire. I'm hardly going to be able to read your HTML email on my
>text only Hand-Held device so your message should make sense without the
>HTML.

That's not really true.

lynx, links, and w3m all do varying good jobs of showing me html as
plain text.

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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Ackeret wrote:

>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:08:25 -0800 (PST)
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>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
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>
>typo in pine's attachment index help:
>
>The "ATTACHMENT INDEX" displays a list of the current message's
>attachments, and allows various operations on them. The first attachment
>is usually the message text, but does not include the header portion of
>the message.
>...
> Delete
> Mark the currently selected attachment for Deletion. The delete
^
> flag only has effect when saving the message to a folder.
> Attachments marked for deletion are exluded from the messsage when
^^ ^^^
> it is saved. In addition, the delete mark only applies to this Pine
> session.
>
>
>Note the "exluded".

And numerous other typos. ;o)

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[Mike A. Harris Linux tip #1 - 50 line mode]
Is the 80x25 line screen too small for you? If you want more screen real
estate, you can set 50 column mode by editing your /etc/lilo.conf file, and
adding a new line with "vga=ext" to the global section near the top. Save
and exit, then run "lilo". Next time you boot, you'll have a nice big 80x50
screen.

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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Steve Hubert wrote:

> This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
> version 4.31. This release introduces no new major functionality, but
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<snip>

Compiled and briefly tested on Cobalt Linux 5.0 without problems.

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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Steve Hubert wrote:
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Solaris 2.5.1 compiled and somewhat tested... Sort by threads and rules
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Hello,

I'm using PC-Pine v4.31 and when I try to open an URL with special
characters, like:
http://..../pub/english.cgi?op=rmail

Pine surrounds the string with single quotes. Netscape Communicator (as
nearly any other Windows program) won't interprete these characters
as quotes and passes them on to the WWW proxy, of course the connection
will fail then.

SQUID output:

While trying to retrieve the URL:
http://'http//..../pub/english.cgi?op=rmail'
^ without colon

The following error was encountered:

Invalid URL

And the Communicator is displaying the URL as:
http://'http://..../pub/english.cgi?op=rmail'
^ with colon

Is there a patch or a trick to prevent PC Pine to add these quotes to the
URL?

Bye,

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Hi!

How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection
to the internet?

Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed
previously and disconnect?

If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another
program for windows which do this work?

I want to know is it possible working with PINE like with "Netscape Mailer" or
"Outlock" (sorry about this last swearwords)

Regards

Murphy

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Are you familiar with the difference between Pine and PC-Pine. It sounds as if what you need is PC-Pine.

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm431w32.zip

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:06:13 +0100 (MET)
From: Piotr Martyniuk <[email protected]>
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Subject: PINE and Windows.

Hi!

How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection
to the internet?

Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed
previously and disconnect?

If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another
program for windows which do this work?

I want to know is it possible working with PINE like with "Netscape Mailer" or
"Outlock" (sorry about this last swearwords)

Regards

Murphy

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Emil Isberg wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Steve Hubert wrote:
>>This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
>>version 4.31. This release introduces no new major functionality, but
>>is intended to address bugs found in earlier versions.
>
>Solaris 2.5.1 compiled and somewhat tested... Sort by threads and rules
>work like a charm. :-)

The only problem I can see is not a new one, but some sort of problem
decoding long base64 coded strings like the following subject:

<quote>
Subject:
=?ISO-8859-1?B?UmFkaW9VRlMgdjQ5OiBGb3Jza2FyZGFnZW4gLyBEZWNlbWJlcnMgdOR2bGluZyAvIFNsdXQgcOUg
ZvZyZWzkc25pbmdzc2VyaWVuPw==?=
</quote>

The headers describe the mail being:
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.147 (B2.11; Q2.03)

My own perldecoder handled the decoding corrently (when removed the
newline and space ofcourse), but I haven't parsed through rfc822_base64()
well enough yet to understand why it fails. :-)

Someone that can enlighten me?

The text is in Swedish if anyone was wondering.

--
The Martian landed his saucer in Manhattan, and immediately upon emerging
was approached by a panhandler. "Mister," said the man, "can I have a
quarter?"
The Martian asked, "What's a quarter?"
The panhandler thought a minute, brightened, then said, "You're right!
Can I have a dollar?"

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This is working better now but if you create a filter which wants to move messages to a previously non-existant
email folder it now comes up and asks if you want to create the folder, you say yes, and it craps out (that is
Pine aborts). You will find that there is now a folder in your /Mail directory of the name requested but the
filter does not work.

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:22:49 -0500 (EST)
From: zachariah <[email protected]>
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Subject: Pine 4.30 fails to create Fcc folder

If you create a new address book entry in Pine 4.30 with an Fcc entry for a file which does not already exist and
then go back to your messages index, hit 's' for save and view the file name at the bottom nothing happens after
you hit <RTN>. The file is not created and the message not saved. (Normally, of course, you will be prompted to
create the file.)
If you happen to overlook this and, thinking that you have already saved that message, you manually delete it you
are out of luck and have lost that message.

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> Are you familiar with the difference between Pine and PC-Pine.

Not so much because now I use PINE inder UNIX and I consider situation how to
use it under Windows in future, when I start using PINE in home via modem.

> It sounds as if what you need is PC-Pine.
>
> ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm431w32.zip

Thanks for link, but I already have this version of pine, but I havent to much
time to read documentation about difference between PINE and PcPine.

Maybe You explain me shortly how its work under Windows.

Thanks in advice.

Best Regards

Murphy

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> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:06:13 +0100 (MET)
> From: Piotr Martyniuk <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: PINE and Windows.
>
> Hi!
>
> How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection
> to the internet?
>
> Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed
> previously and disconnect?
>
> If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another
> program for windows which do this work?
>
> I want to know is it possible working with PINE like with "Netscape Mailer" or
> "Outlock" (sorry about this last swearwords)
>
> Regards
>
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I never got an announcement about 4.30 or about 4.31. I see 4.31 is now
out because it was mentioned in a note to this list, which is the only
pine list I subscribe to.

Am I asleep at the wheel or is there another list? Seems like it should
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Hy,
/build slx
....

Making Pine.
make CC=cc -f makefile.lnx
cc -g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE -c send.c -o send.o
send.c: In function `pine_send':
send.c:2852: `pbuf' undeclared (first use in this function)
send.c:2852: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
send.c:2852: for each function it appears in.)
make: *** [send.o] Error 1

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
text data bss dec hex filename
1072942 35092 15232 1123266 1123c2 bin/mtest
1106249 35212 22516 1163977 11c2c9 bin/imapd
199041 5140 2588 206769 327b1 bin/pico
196981 5012 2588 204581 31f25 bin/pilot
Done

It says that the pbuf variable is undeclared ...

Seby...

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We're running Pine on under Tru64 UNIX version 4.0D using enhanced
security. I just installed the IMAP daemon from version 4.30 (build sos)
and found that it finally handles locked accounts and expired password
properly. We're also using a web-based interface to mail that uses IMAP.
This interface has a utility that will allow for web-based password
changes. The caveat is that our "POP3 or IMAP4 server supports Eudora's
'poppass' protocol (port 106)." My question is just that; does the IMAPD
in version 4.30 (or 4.31) support "poppass" protocol and make my life
easier? Thanks.

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote:

> Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed
> previously and disconnect?

You can configure Windows itself to dial into your ISP whenever you attempt
network access. Try Control panel:Internet options:Connection; the wording
beyond there varies with different sub-versions of Windows. If this is set
properly, I would think that launching Pine would cause Windows to dial your
ISP.

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Seby wrote:

> Hy,
> ./build slx
> .....
>
> Making Pine.
> make CC=cc -f makefile.lnx
> cc -g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE -c send.c -o send.o
> send.c: In function `pine_send':
> send.c:2852: `pbuf' undeclared (first use in this function)
> send.c:2852: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> send.c:2852: for each function it appears in.)
> make: *** [send.o] Error 1
>
> Links to executables are in bin directory:
> size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
> text data bss dec hex filename
> 1072942 35092 15232 1123266 1123c2 bin/mtest
> 1106249 35212 22516 1163977 11c2c9 bin/imapd
> 199041 5140 2588 206769 327b1 bin/pico
> 196981 5012 2588 204581 31f25 bin/pilot
> Done
>
> It says that the pbuf variable is undeclared ...
I forgot to say that I aplayed the accents patch for pine 4.31
and the patch that lets you send mails with pine from prompt...

Seby...

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*** Seby ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I forgot to say that I aplayed the accents patch for pine 4.31
:) and the patch that lets you send mails with pine from prompt...

There was a change from 4.30 to 4.31 that causes this error. The easy
solution is to change "pbuf->something" into "pbf->something" in the
offending line or get the patch again.

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In moving from 3.94, to 4.21 ... we ran into a bad thing...

saving a message to a folder has changed. for example, In the
"old days" a saved message into one of my folders would look
like the following:

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Now ...

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>From [email protected] Thu Nov 30 18:15:00 2000 -0500
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My "From " line is re-written so my mesages is not from the
sender, but from me!? What is that?

-johnj

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Arthur Snoke wrote:

> I never got an announcement about 4.30 or about 4.31. I see 4.31 is now
> out because it was mentioned in a note to this list, which is the only
> pine list I subscribe to.
>
> Am I asleep at the wheel or is there another list? Seems like it should
> go to the discussion list. I think it did in the past.

I'm not sure why you didn't receive the message, but it was indeed sent to
this list ([email protected]). Here's an excerpt of the
announcement's headers:

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote:

> How to using PINE in Windows systems if I have modem and no pernament connection
> to the internet?
>
> Is it possible to connect to my provider, get all mails, sends all mails writed
> previously and disconnect?
>
> If there no direct way to achieve this directly from PINE maybe is another
> program for windows which do this work?

Check out Nancy's page on using Pine offline:
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#offline

It's not something Pine was designed to do (although it may become a
feature at some point), but there are ways to make it work (as Nancy's
page describes quite well).

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, John Johnston wrote:

> saving a message to a folder has changed. for example, In the
> "old days" a saved message into one of my folders would look
> like the following:
>
> >From [email protected] Thu Jan 6 14:58 EST 2000

> Now ...
>
> >From [email protected] Thu Nov 30 18:15:00 2000 -0500

> My "From " line is re-written so my mesages is not from the
> sender, but from me!? What is that?

Don't worry about that line. It's just used as a seperator, and has no
other use. The real From: line is farther down, and starts with "From:",
not ">From".

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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*** Scott Leibrand ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Arthur Snoke wrote:
:)
:) > I never got an announcement about 4.30 or about 4.31. I see 4.31 is now
:) > out because it was mentioned in a note to this list, which is the only
:) > pine list I subscribe to.
:) >
:) > Am I asleep at the wheel or is there another list? Seems like it should
:) > go to the discussion list. I think it did in the past.
:)
:) I'm not sure why you didn't receive the message, but it was indeed sent to
:) this list ([email protected]). Here's an excerpt of the
:) announcement's headers:

Now that this has become an issue, I have sometimes missed mail from this
list. I had a reply sent by Mark Crispin to me and the list, which only
made it to me in my personal e-mail, not to the list. I filter my incoming
mail with procmail, and I have reasons to believe that the filtering is
done correctly, so I do not understand why I actually do not have any
messages from him in my pine-info folder (unless he hasn't posted to the
list lately) which I believe is very strange. Is anyone else having
problems out there besides Arthur and I?

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Hi,

Yey! Pine finally has built-in SSL so I don't need to use stunnel anymore!

Except it doesn't work.

When I try to connect to {tiger/imap/ssl}INBOX (which is running IMAP2000)
Pine regocnises the self-signed cert, and they says
"Can't establish SSL session to tiger/imaps,993"

No other info is given, even with pine -d imap=4.

On the mail server it says:
Dec 6 21:54:51 Tiger imapd[11991]: imaps alternative service init from UNKNOWN
Dec 6 21:54:51 Tiger imapd[11991]: Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? host=UNKNOWN

Can anyone help?

TIA,

-Yaron

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Hi!

I change my pine from 4.21 to 4.31 and I still have this same problem. PINE
won't search my all folders in collection using TAB key.

Previously, when I useded pine under Linux machine (v4.21), after first run and
without any additional settings this kay work fine - I can folowed from one new
message to another, even if this messages (mails) been in other directores.

Now, when I started using recompiled version of Pine on Sun machine, this key
only work in one directory in colection. If I go to the last "new" message in
this directory PINE says " [No more new messages in folder]" and they don't want
jump to next directory in this collection.

This option still work under Linux on PC, but not work under Solaris on Sun.

What's wrong with this "Solaris" version of PINE?

Regards

Murphy

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Hello,

some questions regarding the -attachlist flag :-

Is there a maximum number of files that can be sent with -attachlist?

Is there any restriction on the format of files sent with -attachlist, eg. =
file-name, filename2, file_name?

many thanks,
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On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Bridget Nichols wrote:

> Hello,
>
> some questions regarding the -attachlist flag :-
>
> Is there a maximum number of files that can be sent with -attachlist?
>
> Is there any restriction on the format of files sent with -attachlist, eg.
> file-name, filename2, file_name?
>
> many thanks,
> Bridget
>
>
>
>

No, the only restriction is those that are put by ISP's for
the incoming and outgoing email. You should never send more than
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On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Bridget Nichols wrote:

> Is there a maximum number of files that can be sent with -attachlist?

Your shell may impose restrictions on the length of the command-line,
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I think tcsh doesn't have any restrictions.

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HI. I have the domain "thok.net", and unless I specify EMail addresses
to be forwarded to other accounts, all EMail to thok.net gets sent to
me.

What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the
To field was set to. Example:

"thok at technologist.com" is my primary forwarding address to a POP3
box. If someone sends a piece of EMail to "comment at thok.net", I want
that EMail forwarded to "thok at technologist.com", but if I reply
to it, it'll set the From: and Reply-To: headers to "comment at thok.net".

Confused? Me too!

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:07 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page)

First of all, I'd fix that...

> What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the
> To field was set to. Example:

This can't be done automatically for every possible To: field, but you can
use Roles to do it for specific addresses such as "comment at thok.net".
To do so, you'll need a relatively recent version of Pine. I'd recommend
4.31, but 4.21 would work as well. Create a role whose pattern is the To:
field, and set the role's From: field to be that same address. You'll
have to create one role for each address you want to do that for. And
BTW, the Reply-to: header is not necessary if it'd be the same as the
From: header.

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I am experiencing this when I have an empty INBOX.

When I new message arrives Pine does not notice it. Even if I press Ctrl-L
to force a check nothing happends. I have to quit Pine and start it again
in order to get it to see the message.

It works great when there are already other messages in the INBOX.

I have experienced this in at least Pine 4.20, 4.30, and 4.31. I am
running on a Linux system with glibc 2.1 (Mandrake 6.1).

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are you accessing your inbox using the pop3 protocol? then you might be
asking an faq:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.5

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Henrik Edlund wrote:

> I am experiencing this when I have an empty INBOX.
>
> When I new message arrives Pine does not notice it. Even if I press Ctrl-L
> to force a check nothing happends. I have to quit Pine and start it again
> in order to get it to see the message.
>
> It works great when there are already other messages in the INBOX.
>
> I have experienced this in at least Pine 4.20, 4.30, and 4.31. I am
> running on a Linux system with glibc 2.1 (Mandrake 6.1).

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No, I am accessing a local inbox. Config:

inbox-path=~/mail/incoming/INBOX

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> are you accessing your inbox using the pop3 protocol? then you might be
> asking an faq:
>
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.5
>
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Henrik Edlund wrote:
>
> > I am experiencing this when I have an empty INBOX.
> >
> > When I new message arrives Pine does not notice it. Even if I press Ctrl-L
> > to force a check nothing happends. I have to quit Pine and start it again
> > in order to get it to see the message.
> >
> > It works great when there are already other messages in the INBOX.
> >
> > I have experienced this in at least Pine 4.20, 4.30, and 4.31. I am
> > running on a Linux system with glibc 2.1 (Mandrake 6.1).
>
>

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I'd like to override some of the Makefile vars from the
commandline..

Looking in the build script it appears possible, but I'd like to
know if my args will _override_ vars in the Makefiles...

Also, being new to the code, what is the easiest way of adding an
extra include line to the compiler flags? PINE 4.31 won't build
with ssl support on Red Hat 7.0 because it doesn't seem to look
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I was going to add -I/usr/include/openssl, but I'm not sure the
best place to put it.

TIA

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:07 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page)
>
> First of all, I'd fix that...

Already done. Just had to copy (or link) /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT
to /etc/localtime. Still learnin'!

(See http://nak.ourstudents.md for some info on what that above time zone
problem led to. Too funny. ;)

> > What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the
> > To field was set to. Example:
>
> This can't be done automatically for every possible To: field, but you can
> use Roles to do it for specific addresses such as "comment at thok.net".
> To do so, you'll need a relatively recent version of Pine. I'd recommend
> 4.31, but 4.21 would work as well. Create a role whose pattern is the To:
> field, and set the role's From: field to be that same address. You'll
> have to create one role for each address you want to do that for. And
> BTW, the Reply-to: header is not necessary if it'd be the same as the
> From: header.

Every EMail to 'thok.net' gets forwarded to this EMail account unless I
specify otherwise (i.e. I could have "sunman at thok.net" forwarded to
my brother's POP3 account).

I need are some select pieces of forwarded EMail stored in a specific folder.
That's easy enough with filtering.

I accomplished what you set forth in your response, however a response
to it results in the From: AND the To: field containing "comment at thok.net",
instead of "From: comment at thok.net" and "To: thok at technologist.com".

Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized.

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The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an
MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately
after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file
with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o(

I wonder how many more files may be affected..

Using the Linux "joe" editor, the CTRL-L character stands out
clearly.

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote:

>The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an
>MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately
>after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file
>with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o(
>
>I wonder how many more files may be affected..
>
>Using the Linux "joe" editor, the CTRL-L character stands out
>clearly.

I hate to reply to myself, but... I just examined numerous files
and many files in the PINE sources contain a single CRLF after
the initial comment in the file. Not all files, but a lot of
them. Looks like someone used Windows "mass search and replace"
type of software of some sort.

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> >The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an
> >MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately
> >after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file
> >with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o(
> >
> >I wonder how many more files may be affected..
> >
> >Using the Linux "joe" editor, the CTRL-L character stands out
> >clearly.
>
> I hate to reply to myself, but... I just examined numerous files
> and many files in the PINE sources contain a single CRLF after
> the initial comment in the file. Not all files, but a lot of
> them. Looks like someone used Windows "mass search and replace"
> type of software of some sort.

Hmm, ^L is not a CRLF, as you can see in an ASCII spec:
CR == 0xd '\r' ^M "Carrage Return"
LF == 0xa '\n' ^J "Line Feed"
FF == 0xc '\f' ^L "Form Feed"

It's common practice for people, who print C files by, say, "cat source.c
>/dev/lp" or "copy source.c LPT", to include such characters to format the
output.
The fact that it appears "just immediately after the opening comment"
supports this idea, because a FF at this position will cause that:
1) the initial comment stands on the very first page alone, and
2) the real code starts on its own page.
Some source code formatters add a FF behind each function therefore.

The C spec defines that any control character except \n is interpreted as
whitespace/blank except in string constants.

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> I accomplished what you set forth in your response, however a response
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> instead of "From: comment at thok.net" and "To: thok at technologist.com".
>
> Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized.

Perhaps you need to add one or more of your other addresses to
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> Don't worry about that line. It's just used as a seperator, and has no
> other use. The real From: line is farther down, and starts with "From:",
> not ">From".

But it does matter or I would not have queried :-)

The issue with this "feature" is that interaction with the folder with
mailx program is now hosed. Using mailx for example, with this
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from the user, versus the recipient.

Bad bad bad, I need help correcting this before the users start
exploding!

Is there additional technical help that might know what the
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-johnj

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Steffen Kaiser wrote:

>> I hate to reply to myself, but... I just examined numerous files
>> and many files in the PINE sources contain a single CRLF after
>> the initial comment in the file. Not all files, but a lot of
>> them. Looks like someone used Windows "mass search and replace"
>> type of software of some sort.
>
>Hmm, ^L is not a CRLF, as you can see in an ASCII spec:
>CR == 0xd '\r' ^M "Carrage Return"
>LF == 0xa '\n' ^J "Line Feed"
>FF == 0xc '\f' ^L "Form Feed"

<bangs head on keyboard> duh.. brain fart on my part there. ;o)
I don't know how I mixed up FF and CR. I guess I jumped to
conclusion without thinking too clearly there.

>It's common practice for people, who print C files by, say, "cat source.c
>>/dev/lp" or "copy source.c LPT", to include such characters to format the
>output.

Hmmm.. I never encountered that before.

>The fact that it appears "just immediately after the opening comment"
>supports this idea, because a FF at this position will cause that:
>1) the initial comment stands on the very first page alone, and
>2) the real code starts on its own page.
>Some source code formatters add a FF behind each function therefore.

Yes, it appears that way.

>The C spec defines that any control character except \n is interpreted as
>whitespace/blank except in string constants.

Having never in 7 years encountered FF's in C source you must
understand my willingness to blame my failed build on them. ;o)

Funny enough, the build succeeded after removing the initial one
I found... I'll have to look at it more closely in case I did a
double whammy on myself...

Thanks for the info.
TTYL

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Stefan Vacek wrote:

>On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 04:25:37AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>> I'd like to override some of the Makefile vars from the
>> commandline..
>>
>> Looking in the build script it appears possible, but I'd like to
>> know if my args will _override_ vars in the Makefiles...
>>
>> Also, being new to the code, what is the easiest way of adding an
>> extra include line to the compiler flags? PINE 4.31 won't build
>> with ssl support on Red Hat 7.0 because it doesn't seem to look
>> in /usr/include/openssl for headers...
>I changed imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile.ssl to set things right.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I've got the PINE 4.31
source, and it doesn't build without the my Red Hat openssl patch
being applied. It hits imap/src/osdep/unix/Makefile.ssl and
auth_ssl.c.

If I'm missing something, please clue me in. ;o)

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Fun thing to do as root, in the root directory:
chmod -R 666 *
Just as bad as rm -rf *, but more fun.
"The files are all there, but I can't do anything with them!"
And you can't change permissions, since chmod isn't executable either. :-)

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:
>
> > I accomplished what you set forth in your response, however a response
> > to it results in the From: AND the To: field containing "comment at thok.net",
> > instead of "From: comment at thok.net" and "To: thok at technologist.com".
> >
> > Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized.
>
> Perhaps you need to add one or more of your other addresses to
> alt-addresses in Main, Setup, Config. If that doesn't fix it, please
> explain again who sends what where and how it gets forwarded to your
> different accounts.

I'll explain anyway. The forwarding at thok.net and iname.com together
tends to be pretty slow.

1) user sends EMail to "comments at thok.net"
2) I receive the EMail in my personal pop3 INBOX
3) I respond to the EMail
4) The From: address shows up as "comments at thok.net" in their EMail

I understand that I will have to apply this to each EMail address I
wish to set up as such. There are two primary uses I have for this:

A) Software and Website support (each program will have its own EMail
response address, such as "bobsg at thok.net"
B) EMail address tracking, where I can see if any companies are selling
my EMail address (or just plain giving it) to other companies not
authorized to have it

Filtering is simple enough, if need be. Generally I just accept each
EMail in my INBOX anyway and store it in the appropriate folder.

I'd also like to know if there's a way to 'categorize' folders - that
is, separate the folder listing. I don't want to deal with subfolders,
but to have, for example:

[Personal]

personal sent-mail humour

[Website]

hosting support software

And so forth. Or am I expecting too much all at once? <smirk>.

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Trying to know if pine supports qmail's maildir, I searched pine's site
and I found nothing, even though some pages around the web say that it
does from version 4.10 on. =BFCould you confirm this or at least tell me
where could I find that info?

Apart from that, some days ago my pine had a weird behavior in some
situations, which I though it was a bug. Some days after I realized that
the buggy one was me, but I spent some time looking for the list of bugs
detected to know if they knew of it or not, and I couldn't find it, if
there is one. Again, =BFcould you tell me where to find this or where to
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Thank you a lot.

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Hi!

I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first
specified directory to second, for example:

incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch

and also select option:

[ Advanced User Preferences ]
[ ] allow-talk
[ ] assume-slow-link
[X] auto-move-read-msgs

and this doesn't work. If some new message arrive to "test" folder and when I
read this message then they don't want to move from "test" to "test-arch".

What I should set more for force this option to work?

Regards

Murphy

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Mark Crispin wrote:

>> The file pine4.31/imap/src/osdep/unix/auth_ssl.c contains an
>> MSDOS CRLF character (^L) or 0x0c embedded in it just immediately
>> after the opening comment. Most likely someone edited this file
>> with an MSDOS/Windows editor and committed the change. ;o(
>
>For your information, a CTRL/L character is a Form Feed, not a CRLF.
>It causes the printer to eject the page and start a new one.

Yes, as I said already.. I fell asleep at the wheel there.. ;o)

>The c-client files have many CTRL/Ls in them. If you notice, these
>characters tend to be at obvious places where you would break page in a
>listing.
>
>Also, when using EMACS narrow-to-page, they also constitute fairly obvious
>pages.

Again, I've never seen FF's in source code before so I had jumped
to conclusion as I thought it was a single glitch rather than a
multiple intended "feature" if you will.. I wasn't aware FF's
were legal.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Hello,
Does anyone know the cintax for the extra pine feature to change the
from address? I thought it was change-from-address, but I got some weird
behavior from pine when I put that in.
Thanks.
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On 13 Dec 2000 16:47:07 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

> Does anyone know the cintax for the extra pine feature to change the
> from address? I thought it was change-from-address, but I got some weird
> behavior from pine when I put that in.

It's allow-changing-from, under your feature-list in pinerc.

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What's the correct syntax for a line to place into my .pinerc file on my
Unix shell to keep those &%!^# .pine-debug files from appearing? I know
the command line syntax is

pine -d 0

but I currently have

Debug=0

in my .pinerc file and this doesn't work.

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Walt Smith wrote:

> What's the correct syntax for a line to place into my .pinerc file
> on my Unix shell to keep those &%!^# .pine-debug files from
> appearing?

I believe it is a compile-time directive. You may be out of luck.

> I know the command line syntax

Then why don't you set up an alias in your .login file to do it?

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*** Walt Smith ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) What's the correct syntax for a line to place into my .pinerc file on my
:) Unix shell to keep those &%!^# .pine-debug files from appearing?

As you point out, there is no way to do it from the .pinerc file, the only
recommendation I can give you is to alias the command "pine" to be
"pine -d 0" and delete all .pine-debug files. They won't be recreated
after that.

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Guillermo Pereyra Irujo wrote:

> Trying to know if pine supports qmail's maildir, I searched pine's site
> and I found nothing, even though some pages around the web say that it
> does from version 4.10 on. =BFCould you confirm this or at least tell me
> where could I find that info?

Pine does not support maildir without a patch. Doing a Google search for
"pine maildir patch" brought up http://www.flounder.net/qmail/, which has
such a patch.

> Apart from that, some days ago my pine had a weird behavior in some
> situations, which I though it was a bug. Some days after I realized that
> the buggy one was me, but I spent some time looking for the list of bugs
> detected to know if they knew of it or not, and I couldn't find it, if
> there is one. Again, =BFcould you tell me where to find this or where to
> look for it?

No one maintains a public list of Pine bugs, because if it's acknowledged
as a bug by the Pine team, then they fix it in the next release. In the
meantime, they often post patches for known bugs on comp.mail.pine or this
forum. This usually only occurs for the first release after adding new
features, i.e. 4.20 or 4.30. Pine 4.21 and 4.31, by contrast, were
released relatively quickly with fixes for the bugs found in 4.20 and
4.30.

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Okay, here's what's set up right now (yes, I used the AT symbol for
EMail addresses ;):

Role "comments at thok.net" (named it that for sake of reference):

- To pattern is set to "comments at thok.net"
- Current folder type is "Email"
- Initialize settings using rule: <No Value Set>
- Set From: "THoK.Net Comments <comments at thok.net>"
- Set Signature: ".thoknetsig"
- Reply Use: With Confirmation
- Forward Use: With Confirmation
- Compose Use: Never

That's it. Now, what happens:

- I get the EMail
- "From:" is set to "Ron Poulton <thok at technologist.com>"
- "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net"

- I reply to it and
- "From:" is set to "THoK.Net Comments <comments at thok.net>"
- "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net" instead of the originator
of the EMail

So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton <thok
at technologist.com>".

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*** Ron Poulton ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton <thok
:) at technologist.com>".

The Problem is that Pine is always thinking that is is "Ron Poulton" who
is answering the e-mail, not "comments at thok.net" who is answering,
after all you have your role in the Ron Poulton account, not in the
comments account. Because of this Pine will NOT add you to your list of
addresses to reply and will use the comments account to reply to (very few
people reply to e-mails that they write to themselves). In order to force
Pine to write the "Ron Poulton" account in the To: field, when replying to
this e-mail you will need to add the address "comments @ thok.net" to your
alt-addresses list in your configuration, and then Pine will realize that
when replying to that e-mail you won't be "Ron Poulton" but "comments @
thok.net". Does that make sense?

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> That's it. Now, what happens:
>
> - I get the EMail
> - "From:" is set to "Ron Poulton <thok at technologist.com>"
> - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net"
>
> - I reply to it and
> - "From:" is set to "THoK.Net Comments <comments at thok.net>"
> - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net" instead of the originator
> of the EMail
>
> So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton <thok
> at technologist.com>".

That is strange. I've never seen this behavior from Pine before, so I'm
inclined to think there's some sort of a problem with the headers of the
forwarded message. Here are a couple things I'd do, if Eduardo's
suggestion doesn't work:

- Try sending a message From: Ron Poulton <thok at technologist.com>,
To: comments at thok.net, and Bcc: your "real" address (where it'd get
forwarded). Try replying to both the forwarded copy and the Bcc'd copy
and see if there's any difference between them.

- View the full headers of a forwarded message and see what kind of extra
junk the forwarding system added. A properly forwarded message should
only contain a couple extra Received: lines - nothing else should be
changed or added. If you want, you could also send me/us a copy of the
full headers so we can see if there's anything unusual.

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> That is strange. I've never seen this behavior from Pine before, so I'm
> inclined to think there's some sort of a problem with the headers of the
> forwarded message. Here are a couple things I'd do, if Eduardo's
> suggestion doesn't work:

Already had the alt-addresses set up, including "comments @ thok.net".

> - Try sending a message From: Ron Poulton <thok at technologist.com>,
> To: comments at thok.net, and Bcc: your "real" address (where it'd get
> forwarded). Try replying to both the forwarded copy and the Bcc'd copy
> and see if there's any difference between them.

Would this be my POP3 account that I'd toss in BCC?

> - View the full headers of a forwarded message and see what kind of extra
> junk the forwarding system added. A properly forwarded message should
> only contain a couple extra Received: lines - nothing else should be
> changed or added. If you want, you could also send me/us a copy of the
> full headers so we can see if there's anything unusual.

Sent you the full header. I have no idea what I'm looking for, being
a newbie to this part of the process. ;)

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> * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. *

What's that "$500 per message" thing all about?

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Hello,
every time i press a german umlaute key pine prompts [ Unknown Command ].
Can i configure pine to use german umlaute correctely?

When i use vi as editor i can write with the german special keys, but then
the character set it set to X-UNKNOWN and many mail clients complain
about that.

What do i do wrong?

bye

Markus

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Nobody help me with this?

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Subject: "incoming-archive-folders" - wow it work?

Hi!

I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first
specified directory to second, for example:

incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch

and also select option:

[ Advanced User Preferences ]
[ ] allow-talk
[ ] assume-slow-link
[X] auto-move-read-msgs

and this doesn't work. If some new message arrive to "test" folder and when I
read this message then they don't want to move from "test" to "test-arch".

What I should set more for force this option to work?

Regards

Murphy

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Markus Kremer wrote:

> Hello,
> every time i press a german umlaute key pine prompts [ Unknown Command ].
> Can i configure pine to use german umlaute correctely?
>
> When i use vi as editor i can write with the german special keys, but then
> the character set it set to X-UNKNOWN and many mail clients complain
> about that.

Is this Pine on Unix, or PC-Pine?

What are you using for a terminal or emulator?

What is Pine's charset set to?

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thanks,
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brian Minton wrote:
> What list manager software does this list use? Do you think the list admins
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> email, and subscribe/unsubscribe instructions?

The headers of each message I get from the list claim that the
list is run a ListProcessor(tm), and the headers also contain
subscribe/unsubscribe information. Pine has built-in commands
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read the raw headers yourself and act on them manually.

The relevant headers are:

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You should also notice a message similar to the one below if you are using
a more recent version of pine. This message appears at the end of the list
message and allows you to select it and see subscribe/unsubscribe and list
help info - again a product of Pines list interaction.

[ Note: This message contains email list management information ]

Bobby Ezell
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Jacob Morzinski wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brian Minton wrote:
> > What list manager software does this list use? Do you think the list admins
> > would mind to put a footer on each message telling the list name, subscriber
> > email, and subscribe/unsubscribe instructions?
>
>
> The headers of each message I get from the list claim that the
> list is run a ListProcessor(tm), and the headers also contain
> subscribe/unsubscribe information. Pine has built-in commands
> for interacting with the list-information headers, or you can
> read the raw headers yourself and act on them manually.
>
> The relevant headers are:
>
> List-Help: <http://www.washington.edu/computing/listproc/>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?body=unsubscribe%20pine-info>
> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?body=subscribe%20pine-info%20YourName>
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>
> Jacob Morzinski [email protected]
>

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On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 12:11:18PM -0500, Jacob Morzinski wrote:
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>
> Jacob Morzinski [email protected]
>

I notice that these headers don't have X- in front of them, I guess that means
that those are 'official' headers. I never even knew of their existence.
What RFC are they in? That is cool!

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>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:25:00 -0800 (PST)
>From: Scott Leibrand <[email protected]>
>On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Guillermo Pereyra Irujo wrote:
>
>> Trying to know if pine supports qmail's maildir, I searched pine's site
>> and I found nothing, even though some pages around the web say that it
>> does from version 4.10 on. =BFCould you confirm this or at least tell me
>> where could I find that info?
>
>Pine does not support maildir without a patch. Doing a Google search for
>"pine maildir patch" brought up http://www.flounder.net/qmail/, which has
>such a patch.

Will this ever be supported without a patch?

I remember that the sysadmins here have to modify pine when they install a new
one.. I think they're using qmail (it is a "mail location/format issue", I'm
sure of that).

>No one maintains a public list of Pine bugs, because if it's acknowledged
>as a bug by the Pine team, then they fix it in the next release. In the
>meantime, they often post patches for known bugs on comp.mail.pine or this
>forum. This usually only occurs for the first release after adding new

Then is not supporting qmail not considered a bug?

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brian Minton wrote:

> > List-Subscribe: <mailto:[email protected]?body=subscribe%20pine-info%20YourName>

[snip]

> I notice that these headers don't have X- in front of them, I guess that means
> that those are 'official' headers. I never even knew of their existence.
> What RFC are they in? That is cool!

They're in RFC2369, which is dated July 1998, so they're just starting to
come into widespread use now. One of the best ideas I've seen - wish I'd
thought of it.

Cheers

Richard

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*** Markus Kremer ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) Hello,
:) every time i press a german umlaute key pine prompts [ Unknown Command ].
:) Can i configure pine to use german umlaute correctely?

Yes, press M S C and define "character-set = iso-8859-1". That will solve
your problem.

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> >No one maintains a public list of Pine bugs, because if it's acknowledged
> >as a bug by the Pine team, then they fix it in the next release. In the
> >meantime, they often post patches for known bugs on comp.mail.pine or this
> >forum. This usually only occurs for the first release after adding new
>
> Then is not supporting qmail not considered a bug?

Well, according to http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=bug, a
computer bug is defined as "[a]n unwanted and unintended property of a
program or piece of hardware, especially one that causes it to
malfunction." As far as I can tell, the Pine team's intent was NOT to
include qmail support, and I wouldn't consider the lack of a feature to be
a bug.

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I'm using pc-pine 4.31 to process mail that comes into a
Solaris system that acts as the imap server.
I have been able to get pc-pine to access my inbox fine, and
it saves fcc copies of sent mail in my Solaris mail
directory just fine.

But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when
I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under
my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the
collection name explicitly for each message.

Does anyone know how to set this up?

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote:

> I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first
> specified directory to second, for example:
>
> incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch
>
> and also select option:
>
> [X] auto-move-read-msgs
>
> and this doesn't work. If some new message arrive to "test" folder and when I
> read this message then they don't want to move from "test" to "test-arch".
>
> What I should set more for force this option to work?

It looks like you have things configured correctly. The next thing I'd do
is take a look at your .pine-debug1 file after Pine fails to move the
messages properly. If there's no indication in there as to why it didn't
do so, you could try running Pine with a "-d 9" flag (i.e. "pine -d 9") to
get more debugging info.

If you think the information my be present in the debug file, but can't
figure it out, you may send it to me (along with your .pinerc) and I'll
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if you don't need the folder collection that is on your pc, then delete
the configuration for it. that should allow you to save to your solaris
collection by default.

aaron

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Christopher Vickery wrote:

> I'm using pc-pine 4.31 to process mail that comes into a
> Solaris system that acts as the imap server.
> I have been able to get pc-pine to access my inbox fine, and
> it saves fcc copies of sent mail in my Solaris mail
> directory just fine.
>
> But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when
> I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under
> my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the
> collection name explicitly for each message.
>
> Does anyone know how to set this up?
>
> Chris Vickery

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*** Piotr Martyniuk ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I try to set this feature to automaticly move all my read messages from first
:) specified directory to second, for example:
:)
:) incoming-archive-folders = /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test-arch
:)
:) What I should set more for force this option to work?

This will only work if /home/piotr/mail/NEWS/test is listed as an incoming
folder. Do you have an incoming-folders collection? is this specific
folder listed as a folder in that collection?

If the answer to the first question is NO, then you should press M S C
and [X] enable-incoming-folders.

If the answer to the second question is NO, then you should add this
folder to the collection of incoming folders. Only then this configuration
option should work. If the answer to the second question is YES, then
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*** Christopher Vickery ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when
:) I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under
:) my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the
:) collection name explicitly for each message.

Redefine your Mail collection list. Make it point to the solaris machine.
Press M S L and edit your configuration of the "Mail" collection list
(that's the name in unix pine, is it the same in pc-pine?)

You'll have to define it something like:

Nickname : Mail
Server : {solaris.machine/user=my_name}
Path : mail/
View :

The disadvantage of this, is that there may be some delay when you press
"L" to read your folders list. I hope that won;t be noticeable in your
case.

On the other hand, if you are just worried of saving to folders like
"saved-messages", you can define those folders with their complete IMAP
path, that is to say, define

default-saved-msg-folder = {solaris.machine/user=your_name}mail/saved-messages

and so on for some other folders (like postponed-messages, etc).

I hope this helps.

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Ta-da! Thanks!!

I had set up "sent-messages" okay, but did not know that I
should redefine the <Mail> collection itself, as you
indicated. For anyone who is interested, my pinerc on the
pc ended up with this line:

folder-collections=Mail {babbage.cs.qc.edu/user=vickery}Mail/[]

The first "Mail" is the label for this collection, and the
second one is the name of the subdirectory in my Solaris
home directory where I file incoming messages.

Thanks again,
Chris Vickery

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Christopher Vickery ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:
>
> :) But I can't figure out how to configure pc-pine so that when
> :) I save an incoming message, it will go into a folder under
> :) my Solaris account instead of on the PC without typing the
> :) collection name explicitly for each message.
>
> Redefine your Mail collection list. Make it point to the solaris machine.
> Press M S L and edit your configuration of the "Mail" collection list
> (that's the name in unix pine, is it the same in pc-pine?)
>
> You'll have to define it something like:
>
> Nickname : Mail
> Server : {solaris.machine/user=my_name}
> Path : mail/
> View :
>
> The disadvantage of this, is that there may be some delay when you press
> "L" to read your folders list. I hope that won;t be noticeable in your
> case.
>
> On the other hand, if you are just worried of saving to folders like
> "saved-messages", you can define those folders with their complete IMAP
> path, that is to say, define
>
> default-saved-msg-folder = {solaris.machine/user=your_name}mail/saved-messages
>
> and so on for some other folders (like postponed-messages, etc).
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>

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Hello.

I am currently using PINE with a the incoming folders feature. Working
well with procmail :-). Great job.

However, I am trying to setup another folder which is an INBOX stored on
a remote POP server. No problem with the syntax :

{myisp.network.far/pop3/user=mylogin}INBOX

So there is no password ; PINE will ask me each time I consult this
folder. This is not what I desire. When I am using Incoming Folders,
hitting once TAB makes PINE check for new mail in all the folders ; when
it comes to this pop folder, each time, it will ask me a password...It's
very boring.

Is there a way to make PINE remember POP passwords during a session ?
Thanks a lot.

Niko.

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Hello there.
I don't know if this is pine related or newsserver related.
The two servers that I have a user name and password for. It seems to
connect okay.
But then it gives me the message problem detected received abort signal.
I tend to think something with pine isn't working. Because I can usse tin
and it will log in just fine.
With no errors like that.
Could someone help here?
Thanks.
Jessica

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Nicolas Kowalski wrote:

>
> Hello.
>
> I am currently using PINE with a the incoming folders feature. Working
> well with procmail :-). Great job.
>
> However, I am trying to setup another folder which is an INBOX stored on
> a remote POP server. No problem with the syntax :
>
> {myisp.network.far/pop3/user=mylogin}INBOX
>
> So there is no password ; PINE will ask me each time I consult this
> folder. This is not what I desire. When I am using Incoming Folders,
> hitting once TAB makes PINE check for new mail in all the folders ; when
> it comes to this pop folder, each time, it will ask me a password...It's
> very boring.

Use Fetchmail to retrieve messages from all pop servers and if you
want you can use procmail to file all of your messages in folders.

>
> Is there a way to make PINE remember POP passwords during a session ?
> Thanks a lot.

No

>
> Niko.

>
>

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I found that Pine will not let an addressbook be used as the
local addressbook for one system and as an IMAP-accessible
addressbook from another system. (I'm not sure why.) What
is the preferred way, then, to have a "master" address book
that is used and mangaged from 2-3 different systems?

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*** Nicolas Kowalski ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) Is there a way to make PINE remember POP passwords during a session ?
:) Thanks a lot.

Yes you can, but you'll have to recompile pine again. Take a look at

http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/installation.html#compile

and see the "PASSFILE" option. If you still need help to set this up,
don't hesitate to ask again.

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*** Christopher Vickery ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) I found that Pine will not let an addressbook be used as the
:) local addressbook for one system and as an IMAP-accessible
:) addressbook from another system. (I'm not sure why.) What
:) is the preferred way, then, to have a "master" address book
:) that is used and mangaged from 2-3 different systems?

You are right, you can not use the same addressbook for both systems. The
problem is that they have different formats. An addressbook in a remote
system looks pretty much like a folder, whose messages are the state of
the addressbook at different times.

What I would recommend is to copy your local addressbook to be the
remote addressbook and use only your remote addressbook. Directions on how
to copy your local addressbook to a remote one can be found in Gopi's web
page:

http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/

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I have problems using an alternate editor with command line
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vim -c "set tw=72"

as my alternate editor. How can I do this without doing anything
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If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code
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*** Noah Abraham Levitt ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I have problems using an alternate editor with command line
:) arguments. I'd like to be able to use:
:)
:) vim -c "set tw=72"
:)
:) as my alternate editor. How can I do this without doing anything
:) external to pine (like making an alias)?

what problem are you having?, I do not use vim, but that command seemed to
have worked fine for me.

:) If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code
:) where the alternate editor is called?

Take a look at pico/pico_os.c, there's a function called "alt_editor" that
you may want to check.

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For some reason, the reply-to on the list is set to
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Noah Abraham Levitt wrote:

>I have problems using an alternate editor with command line
>arguments. I'd like to be able to use:
>
> vim -c "set tw=72"
>
>as my alternate editor. How can I do this without doing anything
>external to pine (like making an alias)?
>
>If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code
>where the alternate editor is called?

PINE requires that you give the full path of executables for
most external applications.

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I'm having a bit of a problem using PC-Pine 4.21 on Windows. I've set
url-viewers=f:\opera\opera.exe in the pinerc file, but when I try to
view an HTML attachment, Pine tries to run Internet Explorer. How do I
tell it to behave?

Thanks,
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Noah Abraham Levitt wrote:

> I have problems using an alternate editor with command line
> arguments. I'd like to be able to use:
>
> vim -c "set tw=72"

Try escaping the " marks with a \

The " marks may be lost when passed to a shell, otherwise.

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Noah Abraham Levitt wrote:

> I have problems using an alternate editor with command line
> arguments. I'd like to be able to use:
>
> vim -c "set tw=72"
>
> as my alternate editor. How can I do this without doing anything
> external to pine (like making an alias)?
>
> If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code
> where the alternate editor is called?

Also ensure that 'vim' is in your PATH. If not, you need to specify
an absolute path, i.e. /usr/bin/vim -c \"set tw=72\"

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Thanks for all the help. It turns out I needed to do the following:

1) PROPERLY add "comments @ thok.net" to my alt-addresses. What I
had done was tossed all my alternate addresses on one line,
separated by spaces, instead of using "A"dd as I should have.

2) Set up the role as I was already doing.

Again, thanks. I'll be back for more. I'm sure of it! :> The only
hitch is I have to do this routine for each EMail address I set up,
but that's pretty simple. (I have one for each piece of software I've
written. Simple. Heh.)

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My apologies for being so dense, but I seem to be missing
something basic. I had no trouble ftping ~/.addressbook
from my Unix account to my PC, and PC-pine uses it very
happily as its "Personal AddressBook in C:\Program
Files\Pine\addrbook." No conversion issues showed up, so
I'm missing something there about different formats. But
more importantly (to me, anyway) is how to "use only your
remote addressbook." The one at ~/.addressbook on my Unix
account is really the only one I want to use, but then I get
into the problem that it is a local addressbook when I'm
using Pine from the Unix account, but an IMAP addressbook
when I'm using PC-pine, and that's apparently not an allowed
configuration. And I do get errors from PC-pine when I try
to use it, either that it is not accessible or that it is
read-only.

Any help on how to proceed?

Chris Vickery

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Christopher Vickery ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:
>
> :) I found that Pine will not let an addressbook be used as the
> :) local addressbook for one system and as an IMAP-accessible
> :) addressbook from another system. (I'm not sure why.) What
> :) is the preferred way, then, to have a "master" address book
> :) that is used and mangaged from 2-3 different systems?
>
> You are right, you can not use the same addressbook for both systems. The
> problem is that they have different formats. An addressbook in a remote
> system looks pretty much like a folder, whose messages are the state of
> the addressbook at different times.
>
> What I would recommend is to copy your local addressbook to be the
> remote addressbook and use only your remote addressbook. Directions on how
> to copy your local addressbook to a remote one can be found in Gopi's web
> page:
>
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/
>
>

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Christopher Vickery wrote:

> The one at ~/.addressbook on my Unix account is really the only
> one I want to use, but then I get into the problem that it is a
> local addressbook when I'm using Pine from the Unix account, but
> an IMAP addressbook when I'm using PC-pine, and that's apparently
> not an allowed configuration.

Here's the low-down:

A remote-addressbook is a file that is in the form of an email
message, so that it can be accessed via IMAP. If you look at the file
in which it is stored, you will see that it has regular mail headers,
and a message-body that contains all the addressbook info.

Your local addressbook is stored in a different format than that. It
cannot be accessed via IMAP.

What you should do is convert your local addressbook on Unix to a
remote-addressbook. There are instructions on my webpage (see
signature). You may then choose to delete your local addressbook on
Unix. Now all you should have is an addressbook which is in the
remote-addressbook format (mail message file).

You should then configure Pine to always use a remote addressbook,
regardless of whether you are on Unix or using a PC. So, even if you
are logged into the machine which you access your mail from via IMAP
and the addressbook is a local file (but not a local addressbook!),
you still use the IMAP protocol through the network to access your
addressbook.

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I got pine for the pc and got it set up properly to send mail to
another person/place. But I can't find any information on what needs
setting up to get my mail from my ISP and put it in pine.

If anyone has done this please send along what you did. I have
tried many setup/config and nothing works.

Yours Truly,

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I'm using pine 4.21 btw and haven't tried this with a more recent
version, but I looked through the release notes and didn't see any
mention...

> :) vim -c "set tw=72"

> what problem are you having?, I do not use vim, but that command seemed to
> have worked fine for me.

It opens a second file called "set tw=72" or somesuch.

I also tried it with a bunch of other combinations of single and double
quotes and with backslashes and stuff, but nothing I tried worked.

> :) If it's not possible, could you point me to the place in the source code
> :) where the alternate editor is called?
>
> Take a look at pico/pico_os.c, there's a function called "alt_editor" that
> you may want to check.

Thanks.

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> But I can't find any information on what needs setting up to get
> my mail from my ISP and put it in pine.

What is your inbox-path in (M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig set to?

If you are accessing your email via IMAP, it should look something
like

inbox-path = {mail.example.com/user=xyzzy}INBOX

where mail.example.com should be replaced by your ISP's mail server,
and xyzzy should be replaced by your username with your ISP.

If your ISP only supports POP mail, add the /pop3 flag so that it
looks like

inbox-path = {mail.example.com/user=xyzzy/pop3}INBOX

Try that, and don't hesitate to ask questions if you have further
problems.

--
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Hi Gopi, my ISP uses pop3 and so I did it as you show below and it worked
swell on Linux. Then rebooted to Windows and set up that version of pine
the same way and it works fine there too!

What I used was this:

{zianet.com/user=k5di/pop3}INBOX

And it asks for your password every time you come up but that's not too
bad. Thanks for the correct info!

And Merry Christmas to you and yours...

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
> > But I can't find any information on what needs setting up to get
> > my mail from my ISP and put it in pine.
>
> What is your inbox-path in (M)ain (S)etup (C)onfig set to?
>
> If you are accessing your email via IMAP, it should look something
> like
>
> inbox-path = {mail.example.com/user=xyzzy}INBOX
>
> where mail.example.com should be replaced by your ISP's mail server,
> and xyzzy should be replaced by your username with your ISP.
>
> If your ISP only supports POP mail, add the /pop3 flag so that it
> looks like
>
> inbox-path = {mail.example.com/user=xyzzy/pop3}INBOX
>
> Try that, and don't hesitate to ask questions if you have further
> problems.
>
> --
> Gopi Sundaram
> [email protected]
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/
>
>
>

Yours Truly,

- Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -

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I'm also having this problem with Pine 4.21 (Unix). I have my mail in the
/var/spool directory and it takes Pine a little bit to catch up on
reading them. Sometimes if I refresh the screen with Ctrl-L, it'll list
the new email.

I'd like it to be somewhat instantaneous. A check every few seconds would
be pretty useful.

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Henrik Edlund wrote:

> No, I am accessing a local inbox. Config:
>
> inbox-path=~/mail/incoming/INBOX
>
> > are you accessing your inbox using the pop3 protocol? then you might be
> > asking an faq:
> >
> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.5
> >
> > > I am experiencing this when I have an empty INBOX.
> > >
> > > When I new message arrives Pine does not notice it. Even if I press Ctrl-L
> > > to force a check nothing happends. I have to quit Pine and start it again
> > > in order to get it to see the message.
> > >
> > > It works great when there are already other messages in the INBOX.
> > >
> > > I have experienced this in at least Pine 4.20, 4.30, and 4.31. I am
> > > running on a Linux system with glibc 2.1 (Mandrake 6.1).

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It appears my original message did not get sent to the mailing list. ??

I managed to fix the roles problem. In the alt-addresses entry, I
listed each of my EMail addresses separated with a space instead of
using the "A"dd command to add new addresses. Works beautifully
now. Thanks a lot for your help, guys.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> HI. I have the domain "thok.net", and unless I specify EMail addresses
> to be forwarded to other accounts, all EMail to thok.net gets sent to
> me.
>
> What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the
> To field was set to. Example:
>
> "thok at technologist.com" is my primary forwarding address to a POP3
> box. If someone sends a piece of EMail to "comment at thok.net", I want
> that EMail forwarded to "thok at technologist.com", but if I reply
> to it, it'll set the From: and Reply-To: headers to "comment at thok.net".
>
> Confused? Me too!

--
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I have solved my problem now by setting the mail-check-interval config
option to 15 seconds instead of the default 150 seconds. This way the
INBOX refreshes itself every 15 second. I can still refresh it with Ctrl-L
if I have other messages there but I like to keep it empty (handle mail
and then remove them), and when it is empty Ctrl-L refuses to recognize
newly arrived mail. So I either have to wait <15 seconds or quit and
restart Pine. The reason this is annoying is that I have a signal that
goes off when I receive mail so it is a pain to have to wait until Pine
shows it.

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> I'm also having this problem with Pine 4.21 (Unix). I have my mail in the
> /var/spool directory and it takes Pine a little bit to catch up on
> reading them. Sometimes if I refresh the screen with Ctrl-L, it'll list
> the new email.
>
> I'd like it to be somewhat instantaneous. A check every few seconds would
> be pretty useful.

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Let's deal with this one issue at a time...

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> I'd also like to know if there's a way to 'categorize' folders - that
> is, separate the folder listing. I don't want to deal with subfolders,
> but to have, for example:
>
> [Personal]
>
> personal sent-mail humour
>
> [Website]
>
> hosting support software
>
> And so forth. Or am I expecting too much all at once? <smirk>.

I think this might be doable. You'll need to define additional
collections for each "category", which could point to subfolders of your
normal collection if you want. Then you can define
combined-folder-display in Main, Setup, Config to display all the folder
collections on the same screen.

--
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> Would this be my POP3 account that I'd toss in BCC?

Yeah. Not that it matters any more. :)

> Sent you the full header. I have no idea what I'm looking for, being
> a newbie to this part of the process. ;)

I only got the basic headers. To forward the messages with full headers,
you have to press H first to display them. But since you got the problem
fixed, you don't have to worry about that, either.

> > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. *
>
> What's that "$500 per message" thing all about?

Check out http://www.mcnichol.com/spam.htm - he explains it quite well.

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Jessica Arnold wrote:

> But then it gives me the message problem detected received abort signal.
> I tend to think something with pine isn't working.

To identify the cause of problems like this, you'll need to do some
"debugging" work. The first step is to look at your .pine-debug1 file
after the problem occurs. Often there will be a clue at the end as to why
it aborted. If you don't see anything, try running pine with the -d 9
flag to capture maximum debugging info. Then look at the .pine-debug1
file again after you reproduce the problem.

Let us know what you find out from doing that, and maybe someone will be
better able to help you diagnose the problem.
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Thanks Scott.
I will do that.
Jessica

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> And it asks for your password every time you come up but that's
> not too bad.

No, it isn't too bad. But if you *really* can't live with it, look
into the PASSFILE option. In Unix Pine, it is a compile-time
directive.

It gives you the ability to store your password in a file on your
harddisk. Please note that this is a significant security hazard,
because your password is then only as secure as the rest of your
files. The password is encrypted in the passfile, but the crypto
scheme is pretty lame.

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I am not a code reader.
I did check the file with just regular and it said Pine Panic: and then
the error message I gave you.
And so I ran it with the option you said and this is the result.
I apologize for sending the whole file.
I just started linux I have used pine before. But I don't think I ever ran
into a problem like this when I used it on a shell account.
Well enough of my talk.
Hope this helps.
I hate to bring this to the list anyway.
I know you are all busy with your own things.
Jessica

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Ingredient #1:
Many of us have been subject to the same old Reply-To: arguments, about
whether to not mailing lists should set this to help users/mailers discern
where to reply to on lists. Often it comes down to a discussion the
un/competence of certain mailers, and of course, pine vs. mutt is brought
into it somehow.

Ingredient #2:
In Pine, it is cumbersome to reply only to a list. The shortest method I
know of is to Reply to All, Ctrl-K a lot to cut out the non-list
recipients, and then move the list address to the To: field.

Ingredient #3:
As this list (pine-info) uses, there is an RFC or other standard of sorts
that recommends lists put in the List-* headers.

Ingredient #4:
Pine recognizes the List-* headers, and allows the user to interact with
them.

Mix and stir...Bing! *light in head goes on*

If a user replies to a mesage with a List-Post header, Pine could offer an
option for the user to reply to the list itself only, without any other
recipients. For example, the Reply command would bring up:
Reply-To: (A)ll (L)ist (F)rom.

This would help users a _lot_ when they are deciding how to reply to
messages.

Please, pretty please, someone think about this. I don't think there are
any drawbacks to this sort of solution, and it solves the problem
succintly.

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I will look for the PASSFILE option. The password is for my ISP's
computer and he has lots of people working there to correct security
problems.

I'm now looking at the option Display-Filters. I printed the help
file and it is sinking in slowly to my 65 year old tired brain. Is there
anywhere I can find a sample of this filter? I can just try one, but that
really takes time.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
> > And it asks for your password every time you come up but that's
> > not too bad.
>
> No, it isn't too bad. But if you *really* can't live with it, look
> into the PASSFILE option. In Unix Pine, it is a compile-time
> directive.
>
> It gives you the ability to store your password in a file on your
> harddisk. Please note that this is a significant security hazard,
> because your password is then only as secure as the rest of your
> files. The password is encrypted in the passfile, but the crypto
> scheme is pretty lame.
>
> --
> Gopi Sundaram
> [email protected]
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/
>
>
>

Yours Truly,

- Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -

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For over 6 years I have been reciving many lists on this Linux
computer and have pine as the actual mail reader. But pine does not pop
the mail from my ISP, and pine does not sort the mail as it comes in.

I use fetchpop to get the mail and put it all in a user defined
file. The procmail is called and it takes the mail from the file and sorts
it into 8 new files that are read by pine. In that way I don't have a
whole jumble of messages to sort out myself.

If your using Linux this is pretty easy to set up. I have a help
file on how to do this and will send it to anyone interested.

Yours Truly,

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Karl F. Larsen, at 05:41 -0700 on Sun, 17 Dec 2000, wrote:

I use fetchpop to get the mail and put it all in a user
defined file. The procmail is called and it takes the mail from
the file and sorts it into 8 new files that are read by pine. In
that way I don't have a whole jumble of messages to sort out
myself.

FYI, procmail can be considered the "de-facto" mail-processing program,
capable of doing pretty much anything with mails (with sorting being the
trivial expample).

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> But pine does not pop the mail from my ISP, and pine does not sort
> the mail as it comes in.

Actually, you should upgrade from 4.10 to the new 4.31 to get some new
features.

Pine 4.10 should be able to read POP3 mail from your ISP's server.
>From Pine 4.20 onwards, Pine also does filtering. It isn't as
intricate as procmail allows, but it handles my mailing-list needs.

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OK, I've got it! Gopi's web site was down this morning, so
I couldn't get the info from there, but understanding what
this thing about different formats for local and
imap-accessible addressbooks finally got me on the right
track -- and finally that 'Z' option on the setup menu made
sense. Many thanks!!

Chris Vickery

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Hello,

I am having trouble installing PINE on a SUN 2.7 box. I run the following
commands:

/build clean
/build so5

I get the following results:

Command not found error 127, when it tries to create the bin files. Any
ideas?
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I tried to compile pine version 4.3 on redhat ver 6.1 and it went
fine until near the last it errored out on /imap/c-client/osdep.c at line
77 because the compiler knew nothing about the function "crypt". I don't
feel like finding that function and trouble shooting. I looked at the rpm
files at Red Hat and even version 7 is using pine 4.21. Looks like they
had trouble too...:-)

If the fix is simple please send it along. The compile ran fine
with ./build lmx .

Yours Truly,

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Hello ye altogether,
does anybody among us
happen to know, whether there's
any real difference between
these two character sets
a ISO 8859-1
b Windows-1252
or whether it's just two different labels
on the same sort of marmelade.

Using Pine with ISO 8859-1
makes Windows-1252 mails
look pretty normal,

TIA & kind regards, hbk ;-)

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On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, h.bork wrote:

> Hello ye altogether,
> does anybody among us
> happen to know, whether there's
> any real difference between
> these two character sets
> a ISO 8859-1
> b Windows-1252
> or whether it's just two different labels
> on the same sort of marmelade.
>
> Using Pine with ISO 8859-1
> makes Windows-1252 mails
> look pretty normal,

I believe the only difference is in the areas of hex 80 to 9F. ISO 8859-x does
not define characters in this region, but Windows (in various
codepages) does. So ISO 8859-1 is a subset of Windows-1252.

This could show up if a Windows-generated message contained "smart
quotes" such as hex 91 to 94.

The reason this area is avoided in ISO is that in ANSI-style terminals, bytes
in the 80-9f range can be considered 8-bit analogs of escape sequences. For
instance, hex 9B is treated as "ESC [" (hex 1B 5B).

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Is there a way in Pine of searching through certain folders looking for
text in the messages themselves? I mean not just searching the addresses or
Subjects but actually the Message Text itself.

Many thanks,
Ralph

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I recalled a thing while the compile started. It asked the
question "don't you want to use ./build slx and I said no. I used make
clean and then used ./build slx and it compiled clean and I'm now typing
into version 4.31 and it's working just fine in Linux.

Yours Truly,

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If you have "grep" either the dos version I *THINK* exists, or the Unix
one I use. It's easy to search for words. For instance, if all your mail
is in a file called inbox, you go to the directory with inbox and type:

$ grep odell* inbox

and grep prints out every line containing odell* in it. If you need you
can tell it to print 10 lines Before odell* like this:

$ grep -B 10 odell* inbox

and it will do that.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:

> Is there a way in Pine of searching through certain folders looking for
> text in the messages themselves? I mean not just searching the addresses or
> Subjects but actually the Message Text itself.
>
> Many thanks,
> Ralph
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I need to use X.509. I want to use pine, but I can't find any
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I use
build slx
on RedHat and I have had no problems.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

>
> I tried to compile pine version 4.3 on redhat ver 6.1 and it went
> fine until near the last it errored out on /imap/c-client/osdep.c at line
> 77 because the compiler knew nothing about the function "crypt". I don't
> feel like finding that function and trouble shooting. I looked at the rpm
> files at Red Hat and even version 7 is using pine 4.21. Looks like they
> had trouble too...:-)
>
> If the fix is simple please send it along. The compile ran fine
> with ./build lmx .
>
> Yours Truly,
>
> - Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -
>
>

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On Dec 18, 2000 at 22:20, Ralph Slooten wrote:

>Is there a way in Pine of searching through certain folders looking for
>text in the messages themselves? I mean not just searching the addresses o=
r
>Subjects but actually the Message Text itself.

;ta will do it.

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;ta does just want I want to, thanks :-)

Ralph

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Satya wrote:

> ;ta will do it.

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What in the world is ;ta?

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:

> ;ta does just want I want to, thanks :-)
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Satya wrote:
>
> > ;ta will do it.
>
> --
> ICQ: 25543458 Homepage: http://www.axllent.cjb.net
> PGP Public Key: http://www.geocities.com/axllent_nl/pubpgp.txt
>
>
>

Yours Truly,

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try it :-) When you are in a folder, with all you messages, type ";" then
"t" then "a".

; = Select Criteria
t = Text
a = All text

Then you can type in a word / phrase to search for, and all messages with
that text will be selected :-)

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

>
> What in the world is ;ta?
>
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:
>
> > ;ta does just want I want to, thanks :-)
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Satya wrote:
> >
> > > ;ta will do it.
> >
> > --
> > ICQ: 25543458 Homepage: http://www.axllent.cjb.net
> > PGP Public Key: http://www.geocities.com/axllent_nl/pubpgp.txt
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yours Truly,
>
> - Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -
>

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I did that and pine always says ; "unknown" t "take address" and a
unknown. So I think your havinhg fun with me...:-)

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:

> try it :-) When you are in a folder, with all you messages, type ";" then
> "t" then "a".
>
> ; = Select Criteria
> t = Text
> a = All text
>
> Then you can type in a word / phrase to search for, and all messages with
> that text will be selected :-)
>
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
> >
> > What in the world is ;ta?
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:
> >
> > > ;ta does just want I want to, thanks :-)
> > >
> > > Ralph
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Satya wrote:
> > >
> > > > ;ta will do it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ICQ: 25543458 Homepage: http://www.axllent.cjb.net
> > > PGP Public Key: http://www.geocities.com/axllent_nl/pubpgp.txt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yours Truly,
> >
> > - Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -
> >
>
> --
> ICQ: 25543458 Homepage: http://www.axllent.cjb.net
> PGP Public Key: http://www.geocities.com/axllent_nl/pubpgp.txt
>
>
>
>

Yours Truly,

- Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -

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On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> I did that and pine always says ; "unknown" t "take address" and a
> unknown. So I think your havinhg fun with me...:-)

You need to enable the setup/config FEATURE:
enable-aggregate-command-set

Setting this feature enables the commands and subcommands that relate to
performing operations on more than one message at a time. We call these
"aggregate operations". In particular, the "; Select", "A Apply", and
"Z Zoom" commands are enabled by this feature. Select is used to "tag"
one or more messages meeting the specified criteria. Apply can then
be used to apply any message command to all of the selected/tagged
messages. Further, the Zoom command allows you to toggle the MESSAGE
INDEX view between just those Selected and all messages in the folder.

This feature also enables the "^X" subcommand in the MESSAGE INDEX WhereIs
command which causes all messages matching the WhereIs argument to become
selected; and the Select, Select Current, and ZoomMode commands in the
FOLDER LIST screen.

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No no, you are trying that when you have a message open. Try it when you
see the list of all messages (that would be when you go look in a Folder,
not in a message, or if you press the "," key now and try it). I just tried
what you did and yeah you are right, but this method is used to search all
messages in a folder, not find a word in the E-mail you are reading.

Give it a shot :-)

Ralph

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> I did that and pine always says ; "unknown" t "take address" and a
> unknown. So I think your havinhg fun with me...:-)

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On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am having trouble installing PINE on a SUN 2.7 box. I run the following
> commands:
>
> ./build clean
> ./build so5
>
> I get the following results:
>
> Command not found error 127, when it tries to create the bin files. Any
> ideas?

There isn't an explicit warning in the doc/tech-notes.txt about solaris
builds, but once a build fails on solaris and you dig around in the code,
you'll find at least one warning. Assuming you already have the gnu
cc/ld installed, I found it's best to stop beating one's head against
the wall, and just go ahead and use gnu cc/ld (which builds quickly and
cleanly).

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*** Ralph Slooten ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) Is there a way in Pine of searching through certain folders looking
:) for text in the messages themselves? I mean not just searching the
:) addresses or Subjects but actually the Message Text itself.
[snip]

:) ;ta does just want I want to, thanks :-)

I don't understand, I thought you wanted something that searched only in
the body of the message, this command also searches in the headers, so if
you do ";ta "from" <cr>" that will select all messages. What you need is
the ability to restrict your search, that can only be done with a patch,
which you can get from my web site (address below).

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Subject: bug in pine 4.30 [Found on line -87 on screen]
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When viewing a 366 line message (376 linues including header)
I searched for a word that appeared only onece in the
file (on line 92)

The first time I searched the target word was positioned
on the second line of the text portion of the display
(actually the fourth like of the display),
and an appropriate status message was displayed:
[Found on line 2 on screen]

I searched again, but this time I got the status message

[Found on line -87 on screen]

If I scroll that word 'up' off the screen by pressing
the down arrow twice, I get annother appropriate message
[Search wrapped to start. Found on line 2 on screen]

Seems that anytime I search for a word, when it is already
on the display already (having been searched before) the
status message is incorrect. If I view the message, and
page down until the search word is displayed, and then
search, the screen line number is displayed correctly.

The problem occurs when searching again
in pine/mailview.c

search_text returns -3
then found_on gets set to 91
but on line 6864
whereis_pos.row = whereis_pos.row - cur_top_line + 1;
gets assigned -87
whereis_pos.row = 2
and cur_top_line = 90

(noticed that on line 6832 in case -3
whereis_pos.row = whereis_pos.row - cur_top_line + 1;
was already computed.

This seems to be an oversight that is a bit confusing.

David

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Just saw the response about ;ta (*).. And I had to search around to figure
out why I couldn't SEE the selected items.. (I had bold for selected turned on
but this terminal emulator isn't showing bold -- I think because I set it
to use the same colors for bold and unbold!)..

anyway, is there any way I can then list ONLY the selected items, or
sort by selected/unselected? (I see no obvious choice in the $ list).
Basically, I want to do the equivalent of 'E' in trn.. Just show the selected
messages.

(*) not trying to be a whiner, but it really would be cool if we could do
a full-text search (even if it required a separate question at the 'w'
prompt, preferably defaulting to the existing behavior) from the 'w'
prompt, to just JUMP to the next message that fits the selection.

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Just saw the response about ;ta (*).. And I had to search around to
:) figure out why I couldn't SEE the selected items.. (I had bold for
:) selected turned on but this terminal emulator isn't showing bold --
:) I think because I set it to use the same colors for bold and
:) unbold!)..

Try pressing "Z" for "zooming" into those selected messages. Pressing "Z"
once more will default to your index showing in bold those selected
messages. You can also stop Pine from using bold and write a "X" in the
left margin if you unselect [X] show-selected-in-boldface. There is an
option called [X] auto-zoom-after-select which will do what it says for
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I thank you all who told me how to set up pine to use ;ta and now
I have learned the other trick with, with files of 1000+ messages is
critical to making ;ta useful.

Zoom will make a *NEW LISTING* of those messages you found with
;ta and it's duck soup to read them or whatever.

So ;ta is incorrect and must be replaced with ;taz and when done,
z...

Yours Truly,

- Karl F. Larsen, [email protected] (505) 524-3303 -

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Hi,
I've got a unix account, and fetchmail is retrieving mail from several
different servers I have. If I get mail I'd like to respond using pine as
if I had actually been on that particular account, is this possible?
Thanks.
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:

>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:19:33 -0500
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>Hi,
> I've got a unix account, and fetchmail is retrieving mail from several
>different servers I have. If I get mail I'd like to respond using pine as
>if I had actually been on that particular account, is this possible?

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Sometimes, as a result of a combination of choices in the configuration
of pine that I haven't still been able to decrypt, the messages index
screen shows the entries of messages that *I* have send (and receive back
because they are for mailing lists) the To: header contents (including the
"To:" header header) instead of the From: header contents (i.e. the
sender name or address).

Other people see my message ok. I look at the bare headers and they are ok
too. Even once I touched something in the config (that I won't be able to
recall in my whole life) and this problem went away. It is definitely a
config choice.

=BFDoes anybody know how this can be changed?

=BFDon't you consider it a bug? I mean, does anybody find it useful? Can
this behavior achieved on purpose? :)

Thanks everybody in advance!

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> Sometimes, as a result of a combination of choices in the configuration
> of pine that I haven't still been able to decrypt, the messages index
> screen shows the entries of messages that *I* have send (and receive back
> because they are for mailing lists) the To: header contents (including th=
e
> "To:" header header) instead of the From: header contents (i.e. the
> sender name or address).
>
> Other people see my message ok. I look at the bare headers and they are o=
k
> too. Even once I touched something in the config (that I won't be able to
> recall in my whole life) and this problem went away. It is definitely a
> config choice.
>
> =BFDoes anybody know how this can be changed?
>
> =BFDon't you consider it a bug? I mean, does anybody find it useful? Can
> this behavior achieved on purpose? :)

This is a feature, not a bug (really!). If a message is from you (using
your address or any of your alt-addresses list) Pine shows you the To:
address rather than the From: address. This is actually quite handy in,
say, your sent mail folder. Otherwise, if you open your sent folder, you
would not be able to tell who the messages are sent to (only that you sent
them).

Dan Fulbright

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So am I to assume that it is not supported?

On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> I need to use X.509. I want to use pine, but I can't find any
> documentation on how it might be set up. Is it supported, or do I have to
> use netscape?
>
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It would be handy if it were possible to have an incoming-collection, or
rather if it were possible to do something like

incoming-folders="Lists" "~/Mail/In/[]"

And have pine treat all files in ~/Mail/In as incoming folders as opposed
to having to add a seperate entry for each incoming folder. More dymanic
as well.

Some folks do lots of this and it would make life a bit easier.

If something similar is already possible I would be glad to hear of it.

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On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > I need to use X.509. I want to use pine, but I can't find any
> > documentation on how it might be set up. Is it supported, or do I have to
> > use netscape?
>
> So am I to assume that it is not supported?

Depends on what you want to do with X.509 certificates. While Pine
doesn't natively support any sort of encryption or digital signing, there
are other programs that can be used with Pine to do that. Whether they'll
do what you want or not, though, I can't tell unless you tell us what
exactly you're looking for.

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On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Darren Henderson wrote:
> It would be handy if it were possible to have an incoming-collection, or
> rather if it were possible to do something like
>
> incoming-folders="Lists" "~/Mail/In/[]"

I second the motion! In fact, I tried doing this in PC-Pine for my
mailboxes on a remote server. It was a no-go. :(

Thanks,
Steven

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NOTE: I was not receiving messages from the list because (I discovered
this today) I was set to postpone mode in the server due to some delivery
problems. I had sent this message twice and, obviously, I haven't seen it.
If you did receive it, please forgive me and answer again. If this is the
first time you read it, ignore this note. The message said:

Sometimes, as a result of a combination of choices in the configuration
of pine that I haven't still been able to decrypt, the messages index
screen shows the entries of messages that *I* have send (and receive back
because they are for mailing lists) the To: header contents (including the
"To:" header header) instead of the From: header contents (i.e. the
sender name or address).

Other people see my message ok. I look at the bare headers and they are ok
too. Even once I touched something in the config (that I won't be able to
recall in my whole life) and this problem went away. It is definitely a
config choice.

=BFDoes anybody know how this can be changed?

=BFDon't you consider it a bug? I mean, does anybody find it useful? Can
this behavior achieved on purpose? :)

Thanks everybody in advance!

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> NOTE: I was not receiving messages from the list because (I discovered
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Please visit the archive page for this list to see if anyone responded.
The address is in the signature of each message on this list.

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Hello all,

this is my first message to the list, i have some problems with pine, i get=
=20
the follwing messages when i try to open pine:

setstate: state info has been munged; not changed.

this error is with all users in the system, where is the problem ? how can=
=20
i solve this one ?

my box has solaris 2.6/sparc and pine version 3.96

Saludos fraternos,

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On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Ram�n Alvarez Rayo wrote:

>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:18:15 -0600
>From: Ram�n Alvarez Rayo <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>Subject: problem opening pine
>
>Hello all,
>
>this is my first message to the list, i have some problems with pine, i get
>the follwing messages when i try to open pine:
>
>setstate: state info has been munged; not changed.
>
>this error is with all users in the system, where is the problem ? how can
>i solve this one ?
>
>my box has solaris 2.6/sparc and pine version 3.96

Upgrade to PINE 4.31.

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>Upgrade to PINE 4.31.

ok, that it's done.

but what was the problem ?
setstate: state info has been munged; not changed.

i has another problem with some permission.

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On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Ram�n Alvarez Rayo wrote:

>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:25:28 -0600
>From: Ram�n Alvarez Rayo <[email protected]>
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>Subject: Re: problem opening pine
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>>Upgrade to PINE 4.31.
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>ok, that it's done.
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>but what was the problem ?
>setstate: state info has been munged; not changed.

I have no idea what the problem could have been, but I do know
that it is next to impossible to get an answer for a problem
using an extremely old version of PINE. Answers for up to date
versions can sometimes be hard to get, and PINE recommends if you
have a problem to make sure you're using the latest version first
before bug reporting.

>i has another problem with some permission.

Report bugs to [email protected]

Hope this helps.

Take care,
TTYL

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I had all the known problems with threading when using pine 4.30, so I
upgraded to pine 4.31, but there are still some problems. I don't know if
this is already known, but it dies (in my case) when saving a message from
inbox to any folder having by-thread sorting as default. It doesn't always
happen, I guess it does when the message is not in a thread but alone.
When I start pine again the message is in the target folder and no
messages are lost, but some of them are duplicated and, of course, the
abortion message bothers.

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Guillermo Pereyra Irujo
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