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Hello,

Do you know that Pine 4.30 will support kerberos 4?

Thanks!

Lynn Zhang

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On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Nemo wrote:

> Hi, I'm having problems compiling it...
>
> command is ./build gs5 for Solaris 8 and gcc

There is a bug in gcc 2.95 for Solaris. Read this message by Mark
Crispin for a work-around:

http://x54.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=686340733

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how about kerberos 5?

http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/sysadmins.html#10.3

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Do you know that Pine 4.30 will support kerberos 4?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lynn Zhang

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I first reported this bug in 4.20. When you have color on and connect from
a PC console (which sets the term type to "cons25"), it doesn't handle the
line alignment correctly, and the screen gets all messed up. I've
duplicated this bug on several FreeBSD and Linux systems.

If there's any information I can provide to help get rid of this (it's
very annoying to have to type "pine -color-style=nocolor" every time I'm
not in X), please let me know. I'm happy to test out patches, etc.

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"Aaron S. Hawley" <[email protected]> writes:

> how about kerberos 5?

Works just fine.

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moin,

when a pgp-filter is invoked, the following output is done with
the background-color of the terminal and not with the one i set
in the (K)olor-setup. after using the filter once the colors on
the screen are mixed up a bit.

the efect seems to occure with every filter for displaying or
sending. i tested versions on solaris2.55 and digital unix 4.0d.

do i have to adjust my settings or is there an easy fix?

yours,
andreas bunten

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Do you know that Pine 4.30 will support kerberos 4?
>

Pine 4.30 does work with kerberos 4, although it's not by default.
I just get it work.

Thanks!

Lynn Zhang

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I just noticed a bug/design flaw when using the ^R ^W procedure to insert
a message. What I did was:

- Composed a message, entered the recipients, and posponed it
- Opened my sent-mail folder, which contains all of this years sent
messages, 1800+ messages in all.
- Copied the message number I wanted to insert from the title bar at the
top of the screen. It was something like message 1,816 (with the comma
there just like that).
- In the message body, pressed ^R then ^W to insert a message, and pasted
the message number "1,816" into the prompt.
- Pine said, "[ Message 1,816 included ]", but in reality inserted
message number one.

I presume this is because the insert message code reads the comma as an
end-of-field character. If Pine is going to treat it that way, however,
it should return an error message to the effect that commas are not
allowed. Actually, it would be better if it just stripped out the comma
and inserted message number 1816.

Can you include a fix for this in the next Pine version? Thanks.
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I am running PINE 4.21 and UW PICO(tm) 2.9
on a unix box: IBM RS/6000, AIX 4.3.3.0

Is there just a file viewer piece of software available
which displays the way PINE 4.21 does when reading email?

ie. The way PINE 4.21 displays an email which has html contained
with or has underline or highlighted text.

TIA,

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I just compiled Pine 4.30, and now when I start it, I have to include "-p
~/.pinerc" on the command line, otherwise it doesn't find my .pinerc file.
I guess I could set an environment variable to tell pine where to find
pinerc, but I have never had to do this with previous versions.

If I startup pine without any command line options, when I try to change
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Config file not changeable, can't change options or settings

I'm using Red Hat Linux 6.1. I built pine with "build slx". I included
LDAP functionality.

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I am running PINE 4.21 and AIX 4.3.3 on an IBM RS6000.

Question:
Before an email gets moved to a folder, the first line
in the header looks like the following:

>From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000

When it gets moved to a folder the first line looks like
the following:

>From dlalpha.morningside.edu Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000 -0600

Is there a way to keep the original first line when an
email gets moved to a folder?

TIA,

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On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Denny Watkins wrote:

> Before an email gets moved to a folder, the first line
> in the header looks like the following:
>
> >From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000
>
> When it gets moved to a folder the first line looks like
> the following:
>
> >From dlalpha.morningside.edu Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000 -0600

The From line you see is only a delimiter in the mailbox format and
has nothing to do with how the message is handled my the MUA. I think
it is a vestige from the Berkeley days of Unix. I wouldn't worry about
it.

Gopi.

P.S. Use the proper sigdashes before your signature. You only have a
dash-dash whereas it should be dash dash space.

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I had a typeo and incorrect Subject in the
original post. I apologize.

I am running PINE 4.21 and AIX 4.3.3 on an IBM RS6000.

Question:
Before an email gets moved to a folder, the first line
in the header looks like the following:

>From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000

When it gets moved to a folder the first line looks like
the following:

>From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000 -0600

Is there a way to keep the original first line when an
email gets moved to a folder?

TIA,

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Morningside College
Jacobsen Computer Center
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*** Denny Watkins ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) Question:
:) Before an email gets moved to a folder, the first line
:) in the header looks like the following:
:)
:) >From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000
:)
:) When it gets moved to a folder the first line looks like
:) the following:
:)
:) >From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 10:08:04 2000 -0600
:)
:) Is there a way to keep the original first line when an
:) email gets moved to a folder?

Yes there is. Edit your .pinerc file and under feature-list= add the
following hidden feature:

quell-berkeley-format-timezone

make sure, depending on where you add this feature that you respect the
format of "TAB" before a a feature and "," after it.

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*** Dan Fulbright ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) I just compiled Pine 4.30, and now when I start it, I have to include "-p
:) ~/.pinerc" on the command line, otherwise it doesn't find my .pinerc file.

Did you compile without the DEBUG flag? if so apply the following patch

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/patches/pine4.30/debug.patch.gz

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Hello, dear pine-developers and pine-users!

I have been building the new pine release (4.30) for Linux-Mandrake RE
(Russian Edition) distribution and...

I wonder whether anyone has tried to run PINE with no DEBUG compiled-in?!
(I mean passing DEBUG='' to make when building.)

If not, I'll tell you: it aborts on almost any action.

The problem isn't as serious as it might seem to be: just a stupid
misprint in the code (an important line was placed inside a "DEBUG-block",
but it shouldn't). A small patch fixes it, my PINE is working excellently
now! Thanks to the authors.

Perhaps it has been already corrected, in that case I'm sorry for
bothering you. By the way, is this mailing list the right place for a
bugfix? Should I have sent it somewhere else?

Best regards,

Ivan Zakharyaschev
IPLabs Linux Team (http://www.linux.iplabs.ru/)

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Ivan Zakharyaschev <[email protected]> writes:

> Hello, dear pine-developers and pine-users!
>
> I have been building the new pine release (4.30) for Linux-Mandrake RE
> (Russian Edition) distribution and...
>
> I wonder whether anyone has tried to run PINE with no DEBUG compiled-in?!
> (I mean passing DEBUG='' to make when building.)

Of course. Where do you think Mandrake got their build procedure from? ;)

Anyway, the following patch includes a patch from one of the pine team
and a patch of my own (extra check for NULL pointers) and should make
it work:

diff -uNr pine4.30.orig/pine/osdep/lstcmpnt pine4.30/pine/osdep/lstcmpnt
--- pine4.30.orig/pine/osdep/lstcmpnt Mon Oct 30 17:34:40 2000
+++ pine4.30/pine/osdep/lstcmpnt Mon Oct 30 17:34:36 2000
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
+
/*----------------------------------------------------------------------
Return pointer to last component of pathname.

@@ -9,8 +10,10 @@
last_cmpnt(filename)
char *filename;
{
- register char *p = NULL, *q = filename;
-
+ char *p = NULL, *q = filename;
+
+ if(filename == 0)
+ return 0;
while(q = strchr(q, '/'))
if(*++q)
p = q;
diff -uNr pine4.30.orig/pine/pine.c pine4.30/pine/pine.c
--- pine4.30.orig/pine/pine.c Mon Oct 30 17:30:27 2000
+++ pine4.30/pine/pine.c Mon Oct 30 17:36:39 2000
@@ -316,6 +316,7 @@
}
#endif

+ init_pinerc(pine_state);
#ifdef DEBUG
/* Since this is specific debugging we don't mind if the
ifdef is the type of system.
@@ -329,7 +330,6 @@
mal_debug(ps_global->debug_malloc);
#endif

- init_pinerc(pine_state);
init_debug();

#ifdef _WINDOWS

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Compiling with SUNs compiler works fine, with gcc this results:

gcc -g -O2 -c mbx.c
mbx.c: In function `mbx_hdrpos':
mbx.c:1371: internal error--unrecognizable insn:
(insn 78 76 80 (set (reg:SI 129)
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*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `mbx.o'
Current working directory /xfr3/pine4.30/imap/c-client

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[email protected] writes:

> Compiling with SUNs compiler works fine, with gcc this results:
>
> gcc -g -O2 -c mbx.c
> mbx.c: In function `mbx_hdrpos':
> mbx.c:1371: internal error--unrecognizable insn:
> (insn 78 76 80 (set (reg:SI 129)
> (minus:SI (const_int 4 [0x4])
> (const_int -4096 [0xfffff000]))) -1 (nil)
> (expr_list:REG_EQUAL (const_int 4100 [0x1004])
> (nil)))
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `mbx.o'
> Current working directory /xfr3/pine4.30/imap/c-client

This patch works around this:

--- pine4.30/imap/src/osdep/unix/mbx.c.sparc Mon Oct 30 18:01:37 2000
+++ pine4.30/imap/src/osdep/unix/mbx.c Mon Oct 30 18:08:05 2000
@@ -1333,7 +1333,8 @@
/* paranoia check */
if (LOCAL->buflen < (HDRBUFLEN + SLOP)) {
fs_give ((void **) &LOCAL->buf);
- LOCAL->buf = (char *) fs_get ((LOCAL->buflen = HDRBUFLEN) + SLOP);
+ LOCAL->buflen = HDRBUFLEN;
+ LOCAL->buf = (char *) fs_get (LOCAL->buflen + SLOP);
}
lseek (LOCAL->fd,ret,L_SET); /* get to header position */
for (siz = 0, s = LOCAL->buf; /* read HDRBUFLEN chunks with 4 byte slop */

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I'm sure this must be a faq, but is there any way to use pine with messages
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The README for Pine 4.30 mentions that a file named "PMAPI32.DLL." It says
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I'm having a bit of trouble with PC Pine and Imail. When someone sends me
an attatchment, Pine gives me multiple errors about unexpected length of
message, etc. I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem,
and, if anyone has a fix for it.

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Sure!

.at least I have seen the problem.

I have had the same problems for a long time... Lots of different error
messages, and I could not save messages containing attachments to other
(local) folders. Now I've recently upgraded to 4.30 and that seems to help
with the save-thing, but I still get 'unexpected message size' errors...
but I try to ignore them. :)

Which version of PC-Pine do you use?

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Koree A. Smith wrote:

> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:46:04 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
> From: Koree A. Smith <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: PC Pine and Imail
>
> I'm having a bit of trouble with PC Pine and Imail. When someone sends me
> an attatchment, Pine gives me multiple errors about unexpected length of
> message, etc. I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem,
> and, if anyone has a fix for it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Koree A. Smith
>
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I'm using PC Pine 4.30. What's frustrating is, I get a message with an
attachment, and it starts giving all of those weird errors, and it
doesn't even say it has an attachment. If I do a view, it shows only the
text of the message as any sort of attachment. However, if I go into the
same account via the web interface for Imail, the attatchment is there and
I can save it. It's very strange. I've played around with the settings
both in Imail and Pine with no luck :/

Koree

On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> Sure!
>
> ..at least I have seen the problem.
>
> I have had the same problems for a long time... Lots of different error
> messages, and I could not save messages containing attachments to other
> (local) folders. Now I've recently upgraded to 4.30 and that seems to help
> with the save-thing, but I still get 'unexpected message size' errors...
> but I try to ignore them. :)
>
> Which version of PC-Pine do you use?
>
> --
> Atle Weibell | [email protected] | pr 51690007 | mo 41310057 | fx 51690431 |
>
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Koree A. Smith wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:46:04 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
> > From: Koree A. Smith <[email protected]>
> > To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> > Subject: PC Pine and Imail
> >
> > I'm having a bit of trouble with PC Pine and Imail. When someone sends me
> > an attatchment, Pine gives me multiple errors about unexpected length of
> > message, etc. I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem,
> > and, if anyone has a fix for it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Koree A. Smith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Your problem seems to be a little different from mine... I've posted a
message containing some of my error-messages to this list earlier...

I have no problems viewing attatchments correctly, but I had (using 4.21)
problems with saving messages with att. to other folders. (Got the
'Message to save shrank' error).

Today I got this error while trying to enter the pine-info:
[Invalid UID 00000078 in message 118, rebuilding UIDs]

The UID (hex) and message number counts slowly upwards, and ends with this
message:

[Unable to parse message size at 552669: 23-Oct-2000 06:41:11 +0100,0;000000000000-00000000]

I'm not able to view any messages in this folder. Next time I try, the
same thing happens...and I'm back where I was when I pressed 'G'.

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Koree A. Smith wrote:

> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:38:01 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
> From: Koree A. Smith <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: PC Pine and Imail
>
> I'm using PC Pine 4.30. What's frustrating is, I get a message with an
> attachment, and it starts giving all of those weird errors, and it
> doesn't even say it has an attachment. If I do a view, it shows only the
> text of the message as any sort of attachment. However, if I go into the
> same account via the web interface for Imail, the attatchment is there and
> I can save it. It's very strange. I've played around with the settings
> both in Imail and Pine with no luck :/
>
> Koree
>
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:
>
> > Sure!
> >
> > ..at least I have seen the problem.
> >
> > I have had the same problems for a long time... Lots of different error
> > messages, and I could not save messages containing attachments to other
> > (local) folders. Now I've recently upgraded to 4.30 and that seems to help
> > with the save-thing, but I still get 'unexpected message size' errors...
> > but I try to ignore them. :)
> >
> > Which version of PC-Pine do you use?
> >
> > --
> > Atle Weibell | [email protected] | pr 51690007 | mo 41310057 | fx 51690431 |
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Koree A. Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:46:04 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
> > > From: Koree A. Smith <[email protected]>
> > > To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: PC Pine and Imail
> > >
> > > I'm having a bit of trouble with PC Pine and Imail. When someone sends me
> > > an attatchment, Pine gives me multiple errors about unexpected length of
> > > message, etc. I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem,
> > > and, if anyone has a fix for it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Koree A. Smith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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I was trying to get into news groups using pine, and got this message.
Wonder what this is? I don't post in here much, but still on board just
reading and learning.

PINE 4.10 FOLDER LIST Folder: INBOX No Messages

News groups on news.randomc.com/nntp

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Question I can't seem to fix.

When I save a message from a friend (s-ave, to a new folder "friend"),
my saved folder seems to put a "super message" around this message.
The "From " line is now my address, not the sender's address.

Using vi on my saved folder, the "From " line is from me, not my
friend.

This hoses later use. So, if I'm using mailx on this folder, and
forward the message, it appears as though it was originally from me,
not my friend ...

What is this? I can't find a fix to get rid of this "feature".

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I try to get my PINE to open URLs on a remote system when it gets aware of
an URL-address...

I tried out:

ssh remote-hostname "/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape -remote \
\\\"openURL( _URL_, new-window)\\\""

And this works when you type it in when PINE asks to open the URL. (At this
point you can change both, the URL and the application which opens it.)

But when I write this into /etc/mailcap, PINE always appends the strings

< _URL_

obviously because it can't recognize that there had already been this
string included (because of too many " propably).

Any idea how to work around?!

Christian

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On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Gabe Jones wrote:

> The README for Pine 4.30 mentions that a file named "PMAPI32.DLL." It says
> that the file can be found on the Pine FTP site, but I see it nowhere.
> Where can this file be found?

Hi Gabe,

It is now up on the ftp site, and it can be obtained at
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pmapi32.zip

Thanks for your interest. Let us know if you have any problems.

Jeff

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If you have the box checked, or have that "X" there, does that mean you have
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, dana wrote:

> If you have the box checked, or have that "X" there, does that mean you have
> allow talk feature on or off?

It's explained very well in the help:

FEATURE: allow-talk

By default, permission for others to "talk" to your terminal is turned off
when you are running Pine. When this feature is set, permission is instead
turned on. If enabled, you may see unexpected messages in the middle of
your Pine screen from someone attempting to contact you via the "talk"
program.

NOTE: The "talk" program has nothing to do with Pine or email. The talk
daemon on your system will attempt to print a message on your screen when
someone else is trying to contact you. If you wish to see these messages
while you are running Pine, you should enable this feature.

If you do enable this feature and see a "talk" message, you must suspend
or quit Pine before you can respond.

Is that at all unclear?
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Ok, thanks.

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If the "x" is there, does that mean it is enabled or disabled?

On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, dana wrote:

> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:16:09 -0500 (EST)
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>
> Ok, thanks.
>
>
>

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Hello,

I'm having a bit of a confusion here.

Running RedHat Linux 6.1 w/ Pine 4.30(upgraded cause of a problem I realized
later was a lack of proper config) -- and POSTFIX (not that it should really
matter).

I've tested it with three separate accounts... root, and two normal user
accounts. Root, and one of the normal accounts now work properly, but the
other normal account (would you believe my *personal* account), doesn't
work. What happens, is when I try to send an email, it sits there at 0%
sent for about 5 minutes or so, and then errors out with [Error sending: ]
and nothing more. If I put in some gibberish for the smtp server under the
user config stuff, pine will error out a lot more quickly.

I've even gone so far as to clear off my personal account and install it
fresh, and it still doesn't work.

Help?

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Any error messages in the mail log? Not sure how Redhat's syslogd is set up or
even where Redhat logs for sure. But /var/log/maillog or /var/log/messages
maybe?

John Hughes wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm having a bit of a confusion here.
>
> Running RedHat Linux 6.1 w/ Pine 4.30(upgraded cause of a problem I realized
> later was a lack of proper config) -- and POSTFIX (not that it should really
> matter).
>
> I've tested it with three separate accounts... root, and two normal user
> accounts. Root, and one of the normal accounts now work properly, but the
> other normal account (would you believe my *personal* account), doesn't
> work. What happens, is when I try to send an email, it sits there at 0%
> sent for about 5 minutes or so, and then errors out with [Error sending: ]
> and nothing more. If I put in some gibberish for the smtp server under the
> user config stuff, pine will error out a lot more quickly.
>
> I've even gone so far as to clear off my personal account and install it
> fresh, and it still doesn't work.
>
> Help?
>
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, dana wrote:

> If the "x" is there, does that mean it is enabled or disabled?

An X in a feature means the feature is enabled.

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, dana wrote:

> [400 System starting up - Try again in a few minutes (Typhoon v1.1.9c)]

It sounds like you connected to your NNTP server when it was still
starting up. If it happens again, try what it suggests and try again in a
few minutes.

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Here's the bit of the log pertaining to trying to send mail out.

Got any ideas?

(and yes, I know the first error is bad, I just dont know how to fix it..
but that shouldnt cause the problem.)

Nov 14 23:49:17 localhost postfix/sendmail[8588]: warning: sendmail is
set-uid root, or is run from a set-uid root process
Nov 14 23:49:17 localhost postfix/smtpd[8588]: connect from
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Nov 14 23:54:17 localhost postfix/smtpd[8588]: warning: smtp_timeout_event:
shut down: Socket operation on non-socket
Nov 14 23:54:22 localhost postfix/smtpd[8588]: timeout after CONNECT from
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Nov 14 23:54:22 localhost postfix/smtpd[8588]: disconnect from
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From: Michael Urban <[email protected]>
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:09:39 -0600

Any error messages in the mail log? Not sure how Redhat's syslogd is set up
or
even where Redhat logs for sure. But /var/log/maillog or /var/log/messages
maybe?

John Hughes wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm having a bit of a confusion here.
>
> Running RedHat Linux 6.1 w/ Pine 4.30(upgraded cause of a problem I
realized
> later was a lack of proper config) -- and POSTFIX (not that it should
really
> matter).
>
> I've tested it with three separate accounts... root, and two normal user
> accounts. Root, and one of the normal accounts now work properly, but
the
> other normal account (would you believe my *personal* account), doesn't
> work. What happens, is when I try to send an email, it sits there at 0%
> sent for about 5 minutes or so, and then errors out with [Error sending:
]
> and nothing more. If I put in some gibberish for the smtp server under
the
> user config stuff, pine will error out a lot more quickly.
>
> I've even gone so far as to clear off my personal account and install it
> fresh, and it still doesn't work.
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"John Hughes" <[email protected]> writes:

> Running RedHat Linux 6.1 w/ Pine 4.30(upgraded cause of a problem I
> realized later was a lack of proper config)

The one we shipped as an update, or your own?

It works just fine on my rawhidish workstation with pine 4.30 and
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I have tried to download pine to install on my lan. I keep being told
that the files are corrupted. Has anyone else encountered this?

Marc DVer

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your going to have to us more.

what are you downloading. what system are you running. what program is
giving you the error that the files are corrupted. pine?

aaron

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> I have tried to download pine to install on my lan. I keep being told
> that the files are corrupted. Has anyone else encountered this?
>
> Marc DVer

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Marc Dver wrote:
> I have tried to download pine to install on my lan. I keep being told
> that the files are corrupted. Has anyone else encountered this?

If you are using FTP, are you seting FTP to do binary transfers? ASCII is
the default for most FTP prgrams.

Later,
Steven

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Hi all,
I am perplexed by this error which is occurring for one or two
users of PC-Pine. The error message is :

ERROR: Mail Folder "INBOX" closed due to access error.

I have confirmed that only one session of PC-Pine (or Pine) is running.
Also, the PCs in question have been rebooted this morning. No other users
have complained thus far, and I have run PC-Pine without any issues -
although I'm using 4.30 now.

Other possible clues... I am running a somewhat old IMAP version, (UW
12.250) but haven't had any issues until now. Also, there were 40 people
using IMAP concurrently. (Is there a 40-user limitation on some systems?)

Other info:
- server is Solaris 1.2 (SunOS 4.1.4)
- 2 remote users (1 using a dialup, 1 using DSL) have complained of
sluggishness.

Can anyone decipher this error message and tell me what "access error" it
is reporting? (Or at least the kind or type of error it is?) Anyone else
have this error, or at least some suggestions?

Thanks,

Robert

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Robert Larmon wrote:

> ERROR: Mail Folder "INBOX" closed due to access error.

I think this is related to tcp connections disconnecting before they
time out on an inactive connection. If that is the case, it is a Unix
kernel bug. A workaround is to set your mail-check-interval to less
than 60 seconds. The problem isn't seen regularly.

I could be totally off the mark here though. Try it, and see if it
works for you.

Gopi.

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Hi there all,

Firstly I have to say that I am very new to Pine as I have always been
using graphical clients in the past. The main reason for the migration....
reliability. You see, as I'm sure most of yo do I get a hell of a lot of
mail (from mailing list like thse) and require good and efficient filters.
In the past I have had about 2000 messages all mixed up (some personal and
the rest mailing list contents), due to bugs in the filtering system and
E-mail program. Also, I just love the "simplicity" and speed of Pine.

However the few questions I have do concern the basic setup of Pine.
Firstly, never having worked with Pine before I was required to install and
setup Sendmail (which seems to work great), and Fetchmail. Reading the
documentation of Fetchmail, I set up a simple script which basically
downloads from my POP3 server into /var/spool/mail/ralph . Ok, no problem
there. In the setup of Pine I now have set my "INBOX" to
/var/spool/mail/ralph . Again, no problems with that. Just I wonder is that
is the "formal" way of doing it? It does work rather efficiently, reporting
newly delivered messages and all. Just the thing is that I feel a need to
then move all messages into appropriate folders, just in case something
happens to the spool file. Am I just being paniod / ignorant, or is there
another "normal" way to go about this?

Second question is: When I have filters running, any new mail received gets
moved without a problem into the appropriate folders, however I get no
indication that there is new mail! Is this normal, or is there a way to
"see" that new mail has arrived, and where they have been placed into? This
would be without having to physically browse though every single folder
that is :-) Maybe there is an option to see how many E-mails are enclosed
in each folder ~ How many new and old? All I get to see now are just plain
folder names.

Third question is: Somewhere I read that the newe Pine (4.30 ~ The one I
am using now) has PGP support. Great! I use it quite regularily, and that
was one of the reasons I chose Pine. Just where and how can I encorporate
PGP into Pine? I see a line in the config that says something about Gnupg,
and I'm guessing that would have to be replaced with some PGP command, but
I find nowhere any documentation about this. Any ideas?

Many thanks in advance,

Ralph

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Ralph Slooten, at 23:30 +0100 on Wed, 15 Nov 2000, wrote:

> However the few questions I have do concern the basic setup of Pine.
> Firstly, never having worked with Pine before I was required to install and
> setup Sendmail (which seems to work great), and Fetchmail. Reading the
> documentation of Fetchmail, I set up a simple script which basically
> downloads from my POP3 server into /var/spool/mail/ralph . Ok, no problem
> there. In the setup of Pine I now have set my "INBOX" to
> /var/spool/mail/ralph . Again, no problems with that. Just I wonder is that
> is the "formal" way of doing it? It does work rather efficiently, reporting
> newly delivered messages and all. Just the thing is that I feel a need to
> then move all messages into appropriate folders, just in case something
> happens to the spool file. Am I just being paniod / ignorant, or is there
> another "normal" way to go about this?

The "normal" way is to use procmail, which requires knowledge outside of
Pine; procmail filters your messages as they are delivered, without the
need of Pine being up and running. The most basic functionality of
procmail includes moving messages into folders based upon pattern-matching
the messages. Procmail can be a little confusing at first, but there are
good tutorials available.

> Second question is: When I have filters running, any new mail received
> gets moved without a problem into the appropriate folders, however I
> get no indication that there is new mail! Is this normal, or is there
> a way to "see" that new mail has arrived, and where they have been
> placed into? This would be without having to physically browse though
> every single folder that is :-) Maybe there is an option to see how
> many E-mails are enclosed in each folder ~ How many new and old? All I
> get to see now are just plain folder names.

Pine doesn't "listen" to a mailbox/file unless you have it open (though it
would be interesting if it did). Hence, it doesn't know if a new message
has arrived in a box you are not actively accessing. If you want
folder-based notification, I can highly recommend the graphically-based
program xbuffy; I cannot find an authoritative site for it, but searches
on Google pop up a lot of useful hits.

> Third question is: Somewhere I read that the newe Pine (4.30 ~ The one I
> am using now) has PGP support. Great! I use it quite regularily, and that
> was one of the reasons I chose Pine. Just where and how can I encorporate
> PGP into Pine? I see a line in the config that says something about Gnupg,
> and I'm guessing that would have to be replaced with some PGP command, but
> I find nowhere any documentation about this. Any ideas?

For various reasons, I really like using pgpenvelope, which is capable of
incorporating GnuPG with Pine. Ease of use was a central factor in
pgpenvelope's design. pgpenvelope is available at
http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> The "normal" way is to use procmail, which requires knowledge outside of
> Pine; procmail filters your messages as they are delivered, without the
> need of Pine being up and running. The most basic functionality of
> procmail includes moving messages into folders based upon pattern-matching
> the messages. Procmail can be a little confusing at first, but there are
> good tutorials available.
..........

> For various reasons, I really like using pgpenvelope, which is capable of
> incorporating GnuPG with Pine. Ease of use was a central factor in
> pgpenvelope's design. pgpenvelope is available at
> http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/

Thanks for the tip :-) Just something doesn't make scence... Why would I
want to use Procmail to filter all my incomming messages when Pine has
built in filters? Is there anything wrong with the way I have set things
up, or anything I should watch out for. I have realised that typing in
"mail" tends to empty my inbox and place the contents into /home/ralph/mbox
to something to that effect :-) Just one of the command to stay away from I
guess :-)

Another thing is pgpenvelope seems to only support Gnupg, but no worries, I
have installed pgp4pine and it seems to be working really great (well not
with pgp v7.0 but with the older one v6.58). As long as it works, I'm happy
:-)

Thanks again

Ralph

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Hi guys,
I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
readonly and does not let me delete the message.
I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
session is still open. However, I checked the
processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
a process!
Somebody, please help! My MailBox is gonna be FULL
and I will be lost among e-mails!
Looking forward for a helping hero,
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Hi Andy,
I have already tried:
ps fax | grep pine
no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
Any idea?
Ahmad Anvari

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

> obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your INBOX,
> causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep for pine
> and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that there is
> another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan process and
> issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
>
> let me know,
>
> ---Andy
>
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:32:14 +0330 (IRT)
> > From: Ahmad Anvari <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: INBOX(READONLY), How can I fix it?!
> >
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > a process!
> > Somebody, please help! My MailBox is gonna be FULL
> > and I will be lost among e-mails!
> > Looking forward for a helping hero,
> > Ahmad Anvari <http://members.fortunecity.com/anvari>
> >
> >
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HI Ahmad,

That is really weird. If you can restart the server, go ahead and do so, I know
that will cause any dead processes to be wiped out that may be left hanging.
you could also use pkill pine and that will kill all pine sessions open.

hope that helps.

---Andy

>
> Hi Andy,
> I have already tried:
> ps fax | grep pine
> no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> Any idea?
> Ahmad Anvari
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
>
> > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your INBOX,
> > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep for pine
> > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that there is
> > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan process and
> > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> >
> > let me know,
> >
> > ---Andy
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:32:14 +0330 (IRT)
> > > From: Ahmad Anvari <[email protected]>
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: INBOX(READONLY), How can I fix it?!
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > a process!
> > > Somebody, please help! My MailBox is gonna be FULL
> > > and I will be lost among e-mails!
> > > Looking forward for a helping hero,
> > > Ahmad Anvari <http://members.fortunecity.com/anvari>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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The only other time I have seen a similar problem on UNIX is when the
permissions or ownership of the INBOX has physically changed, i.e. if it
somehow gets changed by a root process, the INBOX may become read-only. I
thought this was not an issue in later releases of pine though, only older
versions.

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

> HI Ahmad,
>
> That is really weird. If you can restart the server, go ahead and do so, I know
> that will cause any dead processes to be wiped out that may be left hanging.
> you could also use pkill pine and that will kill all pine sessions open.
>
> hope that helps.
>
> ---Andy
>
>
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > I have already tried:
> > ps fax | grep pine
> > no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> > restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> > Any idea?
> > Ahmad Anvari
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> >
> > > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your INBOX,
> > > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep for pine
> > > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that there is
> > > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan process and
> > > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> > >
> > > let me know,
> > >
> > > ---Andy
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:32:14 +0330 (IRT)
> > > > From: Ahmad Anvari <[email protected]>
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Subject: INBOX(READONLY), How can I fix it?!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi guys,
> > > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > > a process!
> > > > Somebody, please help! My MailBox is gonna be FULL
> > > > and I will be lost among e-mails!
> > > > Looking forward for a helping hero,
> > > > Ahmad Anvari <http://members.fortunecity.com/anvari>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >

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Andy,
Another possible cause of this problem, is a global
mistaken chmod or another permission change done by
root. (in that case, no-one will access the mailbox
regularly and mailbox of all people will be readonly.
what do you think?!
Ahmad

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

> HI Ahmad,
>
> That is really weird. If you can restart the server, go ahead and do so, I know
> that will cause any dead processes to be wiped out that may be left hanging.
> you could also use pkill pine and that will kill all pine sessions open.
>
> hope that helps.
>
> ---Andy
>
>
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > I have already tried:
> > ps fax | grep pine
> > no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> > restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> > Any idea?
> > Ahmad Anvari
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> >
> > > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your INBOX,
> > > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep for pine
> > > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that there is
> > > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan process and
> > > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> > >
> > > let me know,
> > >
> > > ---Andy
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:32:14 +0330 (IRT)
> > > > From: Ahmad Anvari <[email protected]>
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Subject: INBOX(READONLY), How can I fix it?!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi guys,
> > > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > > a process!
> > > > Somebody, please help! My MailBox is gonna be FULL
> > > > and I will be lost among e-mails!
> > > > Looking forward for a helping hero,
> > > > Ahmad Anvari <http://members.fortunecity.com/anvari>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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If there are no other pine sessions running and none that have died
randomly then the cause of a mailbox being read only would be the permissions on
it. Althought file permissions being changed by root would cause this problem,
I don't understand why a mailbox would be changed, unless it was changed by
accident and in that case the person who did change it has to be a little more
careful. What are the permissions on the spool file?

---Andy

Ahmad Anvari wrote:
>
> Andy,
> Another possible cause of this problem, is a global
> mistaken chmod or another permission change done by
> root. (in that case, no-one will access the mailbox
> regularly and mailbox of all people will be readonly.
> what do you think?!
> Ahmad
>
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
>
> > HI Ahmad,
> >
> > That is really weird. If you can restart the server, go ahead and do so, I know
> > that will cause any dead processes to be wiped out that may be left hanging.
> > you could also use pkill pine and that will kill all pine sessions open.
> >
> > hope that helps.
> >
> > ---Andy
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Andy,
> > > I have already tried:
> > > ps fax | grep pine
> > > no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> > > restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> > > Any idea?
> > > Ahmad Anvari
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> > >
> > > > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your INBOX,
> > > > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep for pine
> > > > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that there is
> > > > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan process and
> > > > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> > > >
> > > > let me know,
> > > >
> > > > ---Andy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:32:14 +0330 (IRT)
> > > > > From: Ahmad Anvari <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: INBOX(READONLY), How can I fix it?!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > > > a process!
> > > > > Somebody, please help! My MailBox is gonna be FULL
> > > > > and I will be lost among e-mails!
> > > > > Looking forward for a helping hero,
> > > > > Ahmad Anvari <http://members.fortunecity.com/anvari>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > > > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Hi, Ahmad!

Perhaps some locks on the INBOX have not been removed. Sometimes, they are
implemented as other files somewhere in /var. Anyway, I have seen such
things only with devices. Perhaps removing the corresponding lockfile will
help. Or I'd try renaming the INBOX file to another name and back. No,
better copying - then its inode would change. That could clear the lock.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

> I have already tried:
> ps fax | grep pine
> no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> Any idea?
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
>
> > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your
> INBOX,
> > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep
> for pine
> > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that
> there is
> > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan
> process and
> > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> >
> > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > a process!

--
Best regards,
Ivan Z.

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The permissions: 660
owner of my spool file: myself
group: mail

It's getting weird!

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

> If there are no other pine sessions running and none that have died
> randomly then the cause of a mailbox being read only would be the permissions on
> it. Althought file permissions being changed by root would cause this problem,
> I don't understand why a mailbox would be changed, unless it was changed by
> accident and in that case the person who did change it has to be a little more
> careful. What are the permissions on the spool file?
>
> ---Andy
>
>
>
> Ahmad Anvari wrote:
> >
> > Andy,
> > Another possible cause of this problem, is a global
> > mistaken chmod or another permission change done by
> > root. (in that case, no-one will access the mailbox
> > regularly and mailbox of all people will be readonly.
> > what do you think?!
> > Ahmad
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> >
> > > HI Ahmad,
> > >
> > > That is really weird. If you can restart the server, go ahead and do so, I know
> > > that will cause any dead processes to be wiped out that may be left hanging.
> > > you could also use pkill pine and that will kill all pine sessions open.
> > >
> > > hope that helps.
> > >
> > > ---Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Andy,
> > > > I have already tried:
> > > > ps fax | grep pine
> > > > no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> > > > restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> > > > Any idea?
> > > > Ahmad Anvari
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your INBOX,
> > > > > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep for pine
> > > > > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that there is
> > > > > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan process and
> > > > > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> > > > >
> > > > > let me know,
> > > > >
> > > > > ---Andy
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:32:14 +0330 (IRT)
> > > > > > From: Ahmad Anvari <[email protected]>
> > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > Subject: INBOX(READONLY), How can I fix it?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > > > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > > > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > > > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > > > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > > > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > > > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > > > > a process!
> > > > > > Somebody, please help! My MailBox is gonna be FULL
> > > > > > and I will be lost among e-mails!
> > > > > > Looking forward for a helping hero,
> > > > > > Ahmad Anvari <http://members.fortunecity.com/anvari>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > > > > > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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Hi Ivan!
I don't know about the virtual locks on the INBOX files or
virtual data structures. Could you explain more? Okay what if
I just cp /var/spool/mail /var/spool/temp
then rm /var/spool/mail
then cp /var/spool/temp /var/spool/mail
I think everybody's mail messages will be crashed!! [Permissions
problem]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:

> Hi, Ahmad!
>
> Perhaps some locks on the INBOX have not been removed. Sometimes, they are
> implemented as other files somewhere in /var. Anyway, I have seen such
> things only with devices. Perhaps removing the corresponding lockfile will
> help. Or I'd try renaming the INBOX file to another name and back. No,
> better copying - then its inode would change. That could clear the lock.
>
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:
>
> > I have already tried:
> > ps fax | grep pine
> > no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> > restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> > Any idea?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> >
> > > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your
> > INBOX,
> > > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep
> > for pine
> > > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that
> > there is
> > > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan
> > process and
> > > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> > >
> > > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > > a process!
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ivan Z.
>

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When the PINE process accidently die, it may leave some file such as .lock
there. It reside at where your email file sit. For example, /var/mail/...
You may go to /var/mail, and ls -la|grep your_user_id, see if there is a
file your_user_id.lock, then delete it.

Frank Zhang
UNIX Systems Administrator
University of North Texas Health Science Center
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

>
> Hi Ivan!
> I don't know about the virtual locks on the INBOX files or
> virtual data structures. Could you explain more? Okay what if
> I just cp /var/spool/mail /var/spool/temp
> then rm /var/spool/mail
> then cp /var/spool/temp /var/spool/mail
> I think everybody's mail messages will be crashed!! [Permissions
> problem]
>
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:
>
> > Hi, Ahmad!
> >
> > Perhaps some locks on the INBOX have not been removed. Sometimes, they are
> > implemented as other files somewhere in /var. Anyway, I have seen such
> > things only with devices. Perhaps removing the corresponding lockfile will
> > help. Or I'd try renaming the INBOX file to another name and back. No,
> > better copying - then its inode would change. That could clear the lock.
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:
> >
> > > I have already tried:
> > > ps fax | grep pine
> > > no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> > > restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> > > Any idea?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> > >
> > > > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your
> > > INBOX,
> > > > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep
> > > for pine
> > > > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that
> > > there is
> > > > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan
> > > process and
> > > > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> > > >
> > > > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > > > a process!
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Ivan Z.
> >
>
>

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

> I guess I opened my pine last night and I was disconnected from
> the Inetnet accidently. So the session is still open. However, I
> checked the processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such a
> process!

This happened to me recently, only my machine crashed instead of
getting disconnected.

To fix it, I logged into my IMAP server. Look for a process on that
machine called imapd that is running under your username and kill
that.

Everything should be peachy.

--
Gopi Sundaram
[email protected]
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Hi Frank,
I checked there with ls -a | grep my_id
only my mail file was returned.
Actually there wasn't any .lock there!
Any other idea?! (It was the most probable answer, not worked!)
Ahmad

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Frank Zhang wrote:

> When the PINE process accidently die, it may leave some file such as .lock
> there. It reside at where your email file sit. For example, /var/mail/...
> You may go to /var/mail, and ls -la|grep your_user_id, see if there is a
> file your_user_id.lock, then delete it.
>
> Frank Zhang
> UNIX Systems Administrator
> University of North Texas Health Science Center
> Telephone: (817)735-2431
> Email: [email protected]
>
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Ivan!
> > I don't know about the virtual locks on the INBOX files or
> > virtual data structures. Could you explain more? Okay what if
> > I just cp /var/spool/mail /var/spool/temp
> > then rm /var/spool/mail
> > then cp /var/spool/temp /var/spool/mail
> > I think everybody's mail messages will be crashed!! [Permissions
> > problem]
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Ahmad!
> > >
> > > Perhaps some locks on the INBOX have not been removed. Sometimes, they are
> > > implemented as other files somewhere in /var. Anyway, I have seen such
> > > things only with devices. Perhaps removing the corresponding lockfile will
> > > help. Or I'd try renaming the INBOX file to another name and back. No,
> > > better copying - then its inode would change. That could clear the lock.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have already tried:
> > > > ps fax | grep pine
> > > > no pine process belongs to me on that machine. I can
> > > > restart the server, but I guess it won't solve the problem!
> > > > Any idea?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Malato wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > obviously there is another pine session that has highjacked your
> > > > INBOX,
> > > > > causing it to be read only. Make sure you issue a ps -ef and grep
> > > > for pine
> > > > > and your user name. or use ps -aux for BSD systems. I belive that
> > > > there is
> > > > > another pine session running. You just have to find the orphan
> > > > process and
> > > > > issue a HUP signal and all should be well.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have this problem with my pine, whenever I want
> > > > > > to delete a message, it says that your mailbox is
> > > > > > readonly and does not let me delete the message.
> > > > > > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was
> > > > > > disconnected from the Inetnet accidently. So the
> > > > > > session is still open. However, I checked the
> > > > > > processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such
> > > > > > a process!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Ivan Z.
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Hi Gopi,
I tried (ps fax| grep imap) there was no such process to be
killed. Everytime I do one of the things you guys say, I
reopen the mailbox, and when I see [readonly] thing on that,
nothing, but *sigh*
Somebody, Anybody!! HELP!
Ahmad

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:
>
> > I guess I opened my pine last night and I was disconnected from
> > the Inetnet accidently. So the session is still open. However, I
> > checked the processes of that machine, (ps) there wasn't such a
> > process!
>
> This happened to me recently, only my machine crashed instead of
> getting disconnected.
>
> To fix it, I logged into my IMAP server. Look for a process on that
> machine called imapd that is running under your username and kill
> that.
>
> Everything should be peachy.
>
> --
> Gopi Sundaram
> [email protected]
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/
>

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

> I tried (ps fax| grep imap) there was no such process to be
> killed.

Are you sure it was on the IMAP server that you did this? The process
is the imapd that is running on the IMAP server.

If you tried it on your local machine, it won't work unless you for
some reason sit at your IMAP server, and yet make an IMAP connection
to read your email.

Gopi.

P.S. Please don't Cc: me copies of your posts.

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 03:59:52 +0330 (IRT)
>From: Ahmad Anvari <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
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>
>
>
>Hi Gopi,
>I tried (ps fax| grep imap) there was no such process to be
>killed. Everytime I do one of the things you guys say, I
>reopen the mailbox, and when I see [readonly] thing on that,
>nothing, but *sigh*

Perhaps there is a lockfile on your mailbox that is stale. Look
in /var/spool/mail.

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> I tried (ps fax| grep imap) there was no such process to be
> killed. Everytime I do one of the things you guys say, I
> reopen the mailbox, and when I see [readonly] thing on that,
> nothing, but *sigh*

I don't know if you have (or can get) super-user privledges but you may
need them. According to my UNIX system (Solaris), the 'a' option to 'ps'
only lists 'common' processes. I need to use 'ps -ef' to list all
processes (as was suggested by an earlier posting). This command will
work from any user (at least on my system). However, fixing the problem
may need super-user status.

The other option would be a re-boot (again, if you have control over the
machine).

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Nick Birkett (x8289) wrote:

> I don't know if you have (or can get) super-user privledges but
> you may need them.

Not. The imapd runs as the user as a security feature. The user should
be able to kill it.

Gopi.

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Gopi,
I did it on the server where my account is defined on. Where
can I find the IMAP server's IP? I looked through pine configuration
and setup preferences but didn't find anything. Also I took
a look at your pine page. I will be so glad if you help, becuase
it's driving me crazy!
Ahmad

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> Are you sure it was on the IMAP server that you did this? The process
> is the imapd that is running on the IMAP server.
>
> If you tried it on your local machine, it won't work unless you for
> some reason sit at your IMAP server, and yet make an IMAP connection
> to read your email.
>
> Gopi Sundaram
> [email protected]
> http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/
>

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Gopi,
I looked in /var/spool/mail (ls -a). Only users' email files
were there. No lock files, where should I look for them?
Ahmad

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> >Hi Gopi,
> >I tried (ps fax| grep imap) there was no such process to be
> >killed. Everytime I do one of the things you guys say, I
> >reopen the mailbox, and when I see [readonly] thing on that,
> >nothing, but *sigh*
>
> Perhaps there is a lockfile on your mailbox that is stale. Look
> in /var/spool/mail.
>
>

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Just look whether you have a file named "mbox" in your home directory. If so,
then try deleting it, and then reopen pine.

Good luck :)

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>
>
> Gopi,
> I looked in /var/spool/mail (ls -a). Only users' email files
> were there. No lock files, where should I look for them?
> Ahmad
>

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Nick,
I also tried ps -ef (I'm working on RedHat Linux), no active processes
found! I guess a LOCK file is the most probable thing. We have to look
for that. I also asked one of my friends who has an account defined on
this system and he has the same problem. About the su status, I will
provide it if it's needed! ;-) About rebooting machine, I prefer not
to do that, but it will be done if there's no other way.
Ahmad

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> > I tried (ps fax| grep imap) there was no such process to be
> > killed. Everytime I do one of the things you guys say, I
> > reopen the mailbox, and when I see [readonly] thing on that,
> > nothing, but *sigh*
>
> I don't know if you have (or can get) super-user privledges but you may
> need them. According to my UNIX system (Solaris), the 'a' option to 'ps'
> only lists 'common' processes. I need to use 'ps -ef' to list all
> processes (as was suggested by an earlier posting). This command will
> work from any user (at least on my system). However, fixing the problem
> may need super-user status.
>
> The other option would be a re-boot (again, if you have control over the
> machine).
>
> ========================================================================
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Hi Mohit,
Unfortunately there is no file named mbox in my home directory!! Here
has so many experts, but nobody can solve it!! It's getting strange huh?
I guess someday I should remove all my private files from my account and
give a global access to the list. So many people working on that may solve
the problem (or may cause the problem worse, becuase of 500 open pine
sessions at once!). [IMHO, this is the worst thing, ReadOnly Folders! :)]
Ahmad

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Mohit Agarwal wrote:

> Just look whether you have a file named "mbox" in your home directory. If so,
> then try deleting it, and then reopen pine.
>
> Good luck :)
>
> On 2000-11-17, at 13:19 +0330, Ahmad Anvari wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Gopi,
> > I looked in /var/spool/mail (ls -a). Only users' email files
> > were there. No lock files, where should I look for them?
> > Ahmad
> >
>
>

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Hi, Ahmad!

Me again. Have new ideas.

I discovered that I get a similar behaviour when another started PINE gets
the lock from the first PINE process. Then even after the second one is
exited, the first PINE thinks the box is read-only. And by that moment
there are no lock files.

So, in my PINE the reason for considering the inbox read-only would be a
fault in creating the lock: no lock created - no right to modify the
inbox. Why could creating the lock fail? - Perhaps, because of a crash in
a system utility or wrong permissions on the place where the lock-file
should by created.

As far as I understand you're working on a RedHat and using PINE 4.10.
Perhaps, handling with locks has changed since 4.10. The latest version
now is 4.30, and I advice you to get the new package from RedHat. It is
build with several patches for handling locked files, but I'm not sure
whether they were applied for 4.10.

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Ivan Z.

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Hello Ahmad!

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

> I don't know about the virtual locks on the INBOX files or
> virtual data structures. Could you explain more? Okay what if

I had a look: on my system the locks created on the mailbox opened by PINE
reside in /tmp/. For example, the lock for the current session is
/tmp/.80b.1b36. Look for similar files. Basically, nothing important is
stored in /tmp/, so you can remove anything without losing important data
(but still this might cause problems in other programs).

If the place for lock-files is other than on my system, you can try to run
PINE as another user and look at the files it has opened. One of them
should be a lock-file. The files opened by a process can be examined in
the fd/ subdirectory of the process' entry in /proc/-filesystem (the place
where some kernel and process data is mounted). You'll need to know the
PID of the running PINE - I guess you already know how to find it out.

> I just cp /var/spool/mail /var/spool/temp
> then rm /var/spool/mail
> then cp /var/spool/temp /var/spool/mail
> I think everybody's mail messages will be crashed!! [Permissions
> problem]

I don't suggest you to remove the whole mail directory. Only to copy
_your_ mailbox (/var/spool/mail/yourname) somewhere else (~, for example),
then remove the original file, and move the saved copy back into
/var/spool/mail/. This could clear inode-based locks on the file.

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:
>
> > Perhaps some locks on the INBOX have not been removed. Sometimes,
> they are
> > implemented as other files somewhere in /var. Anyway, I have seen
> such
> > things only with devices. Perhaps removing the corresponding lockfile
> will
> > help. Or I'd try renaming the INBOX file to another name and back.
> No,
> > better copying - then its inode would change. That could clear the
> lock.

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Ivan Z.

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Consider this. Perhaps they do have it at RedHat as well. Unfortunately,
there is no URL field in the package header. :-(

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Ivan Z.

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Packager : Lenny Cartier <[email protected]>
Summary : A lock file lister.
Description :
Lslk is a lock file lister. Lslk attempts to list all of the locks on
the executing system's local files (i.e., on the active inodes).

Install lslk if you need a utility for listing file locks.

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* Fri Nov 17 2000 Lenny Cartier <[email protected]> 1.27-1mdk

- updated to 1.27
- build for gcc-2.96

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Is it possible to configure pine to show "to: [email protected]" instead
of just showing my own name with all sent messages? The way it is now is
very difficult to sort sent messages as most have to be opened and
physically checked to whom they were sent to.

If so, what do I configure?

Thanks in advance,

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I guess it's the last solution if my problem is not
solved. Thanks for the other note you posted to the
discussion forum. I really liked it, becuase everything
was clear and helped me a lot. I guess, this lslk is
damn useful for administartion stuff. I will try to
install and use it pretty soon and send you the result.
Ahmad

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:

> Consider this. Perhaps they do have it at RedHat as well. Unfortunately,
> there is no URL field in the package header. :-(
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ivan Z.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:45:00 +0100 (CET)
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> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: Changelog List <[email protected]>
> Subject: [CHRPM] lslk-1.27-1mdk
>
> --=-=-=
> Name : lslk Relocations: (not relocateable)
> Version : 1.27 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
> Release : 1mdk Build Date: Fri Nov 17 10:33:54 2000
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> Size : 65778 License: Distributable
> Packager : Lenny Cartier <[email protected]>
> Summary : A lock file lister.
> Description :
> Lslk is a lock file lister. Lslk attempts to list all of the locks on
> the executing system's local files (i.e., on the active inodes).
>
> Install lslk if you need a utility for listing file locks.
>
> --=-=-=
>
> * Fri Nov 17 2000 Lenny Cartier <[email protected]> 1.27-1mdk
>
> - updated to 1.27
> - build for gcc-2.96
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Hi Ivan!
Yea! This time I think the problem is going to be solved!
There is no [/tmp] on the server I'm using pine! :-) So
where the lock file is stored?!!
Besides, how can I run the pine and see which files are
being opened? [Suppose that I'm super-user, how can I do that?]
Here's what I have in /var/filesystems
ext2
nodev proc
iso9660
nodev devpts
vfat

And beside cmdline, environ, exe, maps, mem, stat, statm
and status, I have three directories: root, cwd, and df!!
Last one solves all the problems!! (Also, I'm thinking about
environ, examined that carefully. You think it's the answer?)
Finally, we come to ps fax | grep pine again, finding the
process ID and going to /proc/ID/df. Yea, found something
over there:
/dev/ttyp2
socket:[2646141]
/home/mail/anvari
Okay, here it comes, another machine with /tmp created, there
is no socket:[blahblah], there is /tmp/.3042.blah!!!
Any other idea?!!!! We're solving the mysterious problem!!!
You guys really rock!
Ahmad

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:

> Hello Ahmad!
>
> I had a look: on my system the locks created on the mailbox opened by PINE
> reside in /tmp/. For example, the lock for the current session is
> /tmp/.80b.1b36. Look for similar files. Basically, nothing important is
> stored in /tmp/, so you can remove anything without losing important data
> (but still this might cause problems in other programs).
>
> If the place for lock-files is other than on my system, you can try to run
> PINE as another user and look at the files it has opened. One of them
> should be a lock-file. The files opened by a process can be examined in
> the fd/ subdirectory of the process' entry in /proc/-filesystem (the place
> where some kernel and process data is mounted). You'll need to know the
> PID of the running PINE - I guess you already know how to find it out.
>
> Best regards,
> Ivan Z.
>

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:

>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:49:18 +0100 (CET)
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>Is it possible to configure pine to show "to: [email protected]" instead
>of just showing my own name with all sent messages? The way it is now is
>very difficult to sort sent messages as most have to be opened and
>physically checked to whom they were sent to.
>
>If so, what do I configure?

Customized headers, et al. You might want to enable
"From:" editing as well by manually adding allow-from-edit to the
feature list using a text editor.

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Fun thing to do as root, in the root directory:
chmod -R 666 *
Just as bad as rm -rf *, but more fun.
"The files are all there, but I can't do anything with them!"
And you can't change permissions, since chmod isn't executable either. :-)

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

>Hi Ivan!
>Yea! This time I think the problem is going to be solved!
>There is no [/tmp] on the server I'm using pine! :-) So
>where the lock file is stored?!!

Sounds like the machine is foobed.

>Besides, how can I run the pine and see which files are
>being opened?

By doing so from multiple consoles if you've console access, or
using the program "screen" if not, or multiple simultaneous
remote logins.

>[Suppose that I'm super-user, how can I do that?]

Same as above.

>Here's what I have in /var/filesystems
>ext2
>nodev proc
> iso9660
>nodev devpts
> vfat

Uhhh... Is this a Linux system? Doesn't look like it. I never
heard of /var/filesystems...

>And beside cmdline, environ, exe, maps, mem, stat, statm
>and status, I have three directories: root, cwd, and df!!

No idea what any of that means. Sounds like /proc to me.

>Last one solves all the problems!! (Also, I'm thinking about
>environ, examined that carefully. You think it's the answer?)
>Finally, we come to ps fax | grep pine again, finding the
>process ID and going to /proc/ID/df. Yea, found something
>over there:

Put square brackets around one letter when grepping the output of
ps, it helps out the display of relevant info a lot, ie:

ps ax | grep "[p]ine"

The []'s guarantee that the "ps" line doesn't get captured by the
grep.

Exactly what operating system is your PINE running under, and
what version, etc..

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I had this same problem and I did fix it some time ago, problem is I'm not
sure I remember what I did.

I think you have to go into configuration and add addresses to the
"alt-addresses" portion. Add one for each of the addresses you usually send
mail as and then pine will know who you are.

If this doesn't work, then have a look for a FAQ on the topic because I know
I read about this fix someplace.

Sorry I couldn't be more specific.

John Lange

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Subject: To?

Is it possible to configure pine to show "to: [email protected]" instead
of just showing my own name with all sent messages? The way it is now is
very difficult to sort sent messages as most have to be opened and
physically checked to whom they were sent to.

If so, what do I configure?

Thanks in advance,

Ralph

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Thanks people for the help. I have it fixed now and working properly :-)

What I did was to select "Yes" under "Use-only-domain-name"
and in "alt-addresses" to fill in mt info exactly the way it is configured,
in my case "Ralph Slooten <[email protected]>".

Works like a charm :-) I must admit I'm growing more and more attached to
Pine the more I play with it :-)

Thanks again
Ralph

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Hi, Ahmad!

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:
>
> Unfortunately,
> > there is no URL field in the package header. :-(

There's nothing that can't be changed:

URL : ftp://vic.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/tools/unix/lslk/

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:

> Besides, how can I run the pine and see which files are
> being opened? [Suppose that I'm super-user, how can I do that?]

This is a rhethoric question, I believe. You have done that.

> Okay, here it comes, another machine with /tmp created, there
> is no socket:[blahblah], there is /tmp/.3042.blah!!!
> Any other idea?!!!! We're solving the mysterious problem!!!

Yeah, probably that is the lock file, missing on the other machine. If you
are allowed to, try to create /tmp/ on it. My /tmp/ is created with all
permissions granted to everybody. Perhaps, there is another solution in
telling PINE/the system to locate lock-files somewhere else. Does anybody
know of such a possibility?

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Ivan Z.

PS By the way, Ahmed, look who you are sending messages to. Several last
mesages were delivered to me in three copies (that's not bad at all), but
as far as I can see two of the copies were delivered to the list.

Ivan.

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Dear Ivan, Dear Everybody!
Thanks for everything! The problem with INBOX(READONLY) is
solved now! For quick conculsions, and reference for people who
may expereience this problem in future, I write these lines:

I had a Redhat Linux box in the university and I was reading my
emails when I was home through a simple dialup connection using
PINE. I got disconnected (noise on the line, it sux!), next time
I opened my PINE to read my messages, I noticed a sign at the
top of my pine screen: Folder: INBOX(READONLY)! So I couldn't
delete my emails and send them to other folders!
After careful investigations, we tried several tricks to to solve
the problems, finally, we came to this point that /tmp/ had
been deleted accidently. I went into /proc/procnumber in two
different machines when a pine session was opened. The difference
ws that in one of the machines, I had /tmp/.0342.blah and in
the other one I had socket:[blahblah] under df directory.
Creating a /tmp/ solved the problem. Maybe it's a good idea that
pine creates its own folder writable by itself, when it's being
run. I don't know if it's been implemented yet, but if any of
the people in charge reads this message, I hope he considers the
accidentally deleted /tmp/ in next versions! :-)

Thanks, everybody, I subscribed this forum some days ago and
I learned so many things here. Specially from you, Ivan. Unfortunately
I have to unsubscribe the mailing list, I will be so glad if
any of you contact my by e-mail if you have any notes on this
matter.

Good luck, everybody,
Ahmad Anvari < http://members.fortunecity.com/anvari >

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ivan Zakharyaschev wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ahmad Anvari wrote:
>
> > Besides, how can I run the pine and see which files are
> > being opened? [Suppose that I'm super-user, how can I do that?]
>
> This is a rhethoric question, I believe. You have done that.
>
> > Okay, here it comes, another machine with /tmp created, there
> > is no socket:[blahblah], there is /tmp/.3042.blah!!!
> > Any other idea?!!!! We're solving the mysterious problem!!!
>
> Yeah, probably that is the lock file, missing on the other machine. If you
> are allowed to, try to create /tmp/ on it. My /tmp/ is created with all
> permissions granted to everybody. Perhaps, there is another solution in
> telling PINE/the system to locate lock-files somewhere else. Does anybody
> know of such a possibility?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ivan Z.
>
> PS By the way, Ahmed, look who you are sending messages to. Several last
> mesages were delivered to me in three copies (that's not bad at all), but
> as far as I can see two of the copies were delivered to the list.
>
> Ivan.
>

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Good evening to all -

I have been using pine for about 9 months now; about as long as I have
been using RH 6.1.

I have read, on occasion, problems with Pine 4.30. I just recently
installed RH 7.0, and I am interested in installing Pine 4.30. What sort
of problems might I experience, is it worth the upgrade from 4.21, if
there are problems, are there fixes on the web site.

Any advice and/or help is appreciated.

Regards,

Dick Williams

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On Sat, 18 Nov 2000, hermit wrote:

> I have read, on occasion, problems with Pine 4.30. I just recently
> installed RH 7.0, and I am interested in installing Pine 4.30. What sort
> of problems might I experience, is it worth the upgrade from 4.21, if
> there are problems, are there fixes on the web site.

If I were you, I'd go ahead and install Pine 4.30 (without removing 4.21)
and give it a try for yourself. Most likely you won't experience any
problems, but if you do, then you can worry about downloading patches, or
go back to using 4.21 and wait for 4.31, which will be out shortly.

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hermit <[email protected]> writes:

> Good evening to all -
>
> I have been using pine for about 9 months now; about as long as I have
> been using RH 6.1.
>
> I have read, on occasion, problems with Pine 4.30. I just recently
> installed RH 7.0, and I am interested in installing Pine 4.30. What sort
> of problems might I experience, is it worth the upgrade from 4.21, if
> there are problems, are there fixes on the web site.

We've issued 4.30 as an errata for Red Hat Linux 7 (and the other
supported releases - 6.x and 5.2). When you run up2date, you'll get
this along with other updates - or you can download it from the
updates directory on our ftp site and mirrors.

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Hi there all,

I have a question regarding fetchmail. i knowthat there is a mailing list
for that, however I presume that a great number of you use fetchmail for
mail retreaval. I have everything set up and working, with a .fetchmailrc
script in my home directory, however each time I boot the computer I have
to physically enter in the "fetchmail" command. The in runs as a daemon.
Ok, fair enough. But what I would like to know is if there is a way (and
how) to get the daemon up and runing automatically with the bootup of my
computer. Is this possible? I have tried several things using the rc.local
file and a script, however it has been up to now unsuccessful.

Any ideas or comment?

Thanks in advance

Ralph

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Cheers!!!
On my Linux m/c, pine is refusing to auto-move already read messages upon
quiting despite proper configs in /usr/lib/pine.conf.fixed i.e
1) feature-list = auto-move-read-msgs
2) read-message-folder = $HOME/mbox

If I use mail, the read mail sucessully moves to $HOME/mox !

Any help from any Pine/Linux Guru??

Thanx and Regards folks

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You should run fetchmail as a cron job.

Or, if you want to get fancy, you could start up fetchmail everytime you log
in using your shells start up script (.bashrc for example), and then stop it
when you log out using the shells logout script (.bash_logout for example).

John Lange

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Hi there all,

I have a question regarding fetchmail. i knowthat there is a mailing list
for that, however I presume that a great number of you use fetchmail for
mail retreaval. I have everything set up and working, with a .fetchmailrc
script in my home directory, however each time I boot the computer I have
to physically enter in the "fetchmail" command. The in runs as a daemon.
Ok, fair enough. But what I would like to know is if there is a way (and
how) to get the daemon up and runing automatically with the bootup of my
computer. Is this possible? I have tried several things using the rc.local
file and a script, however it has been up to now unsuccessful.

Any ideas or comment?

Thanks in advance

Ralph

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Hi everybody,
This serves to inform U that I did get around the pine config problem - I
only hope that the solution extract below will be of relevance to future
pine config troubles similar to mine:
- I did notice that Berkely mail format of my pine version doesn't support
$HOME as the term for current user's home dir but uses the tilde (~) hence
in /usr/lib/pine.conf.fixed we replace
read-message-folder=$HOME/mbox with read-message-folder=~/mbox
- Remember to append expunge-without-onfirm on the feature-list to avoid the
boring expunge confimation!?!

Simon-Elvin
Sys Admin
Uganda Commercial Bank Ltd.
For The Code That Understandeth Work

>From: "waibale simon" <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Subject: auto-move-read-msgs
>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:28:09 -0000
>
>Cheers!!!
>On my Linux m/c, pine is refusing to auto-move already read messages upon
>quiting despite proper configs in /usr/lib/pine.conf.fixed i.e
>1) feature-list = auto-move-read-msgs
>2) read-message-folder = $HOME/mbox
>
>If I use mail, the read mail sucessully moves to $HOME/mox !
>
>Any help from any Pine/Linux Guru??
>
>Thanx and Regards folks
>
>Simon-Elvin
>For The Code That Understandeth Work.
>
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Thanks to everyone's help, I have solved this problem, and it seems to be
working 100% :-)

Thanks again

Ralph

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I am a newsgroup fan and using Pine I subscribed to: linux.redhat.misc

The newsgroup collected 4,440 messages, many of which had no headers and
had the *D* (delete) letter in front of them. I realize that these
messages are no longer available. What I would like to know, is how do I
delete ALL of the collected message headers at the same time rather than
scroll thru over four thousand of them and hitting *D* at each message.

Thanks for your help,

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On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, hermit wrote:

> The newsgroup collected 4,440 messages, many of which had no headers and
> had the *D* (delete) letter in front of them. I realize that these
> messages are no longer available.

Actually, that's not quite right. A "D" flag means that you've already
"deleted" the messages (as indicated in your .newsrc file). You can still
read them, but when you press X to eXclude deleted messages, they'll
disappear. You can later press & to get them back.

Messages that are no longer available simply disappear.

> What I would like to know, is how do I delete ALL of the collected
> message headers at the same time rather than scroll thru over four
> thousand of them and hitting *D* at each message.

You need to go into Main, Setup, Config and make sure
enable-aggregate-command-set (or similar, depending on your Pine version)
is checked. Then you can use the ; key to select messages based on
certain criteria, and then use the A key to apply an action to all of
them.

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Is there a way to send a message flagged as Urgent to someone? I know that
I can mark a received e-mail, and an already sent e-mail as urgent, but
cannot find a way to send the message as urgent?

Is this possible, and how?

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On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Ralph Slooten wrote:

>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:21:27 +0100 (CET)
>From: Ralph Slooten <[email protected]>
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>
>Is there a way to send a message flagged as Urgent to someone? I know that
>I can mark a received e-mail, and an already sent e-mail as urgent, but
>cannot find a way to send the message as urgent?
>
>Is this possible, and how?

Add a customized header in Setup. Should do the job.

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On Nov 23, 2000 at 06:39, hermit wrote:

>The newsgroup collected 4,440 messages, many of which had no headers and
>had the *D* (delete) letter in front of them. I realize that these
>messages are no longer available. What I would like to know, is how do I
>delete ALL of the collected message headers at the same time rather than
>scroll thru over four thousand of them and hitting *D* at each message.

IIRC, they'll disappear when you exit. Or hit eXpunge whenever you want
Deleted items to disappear.

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If you create a new address book entry in Pine 4.30 with an Fcc entry for a file which does not already exist and
then go back to your messages index, hit 's' for save and view the file name at the bottom nothing happens after
you hit <RTN>. The file is not created and the message not saved. (Normally, of course, you will be prompted to
create the file.)
If you happen to overlook this and, thinking that you have already saved that message, you manually delete it you
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, zachariah wrote:

> If you create a new address book entry in Pine 4.30 with an Fcc entry
> for a file which does not already exist and
> then go back to your messages index, hit 's' for save and view the file
> name at the bottom nothing happens after
> you hit <RTN>. The file is not created and the message not saved.

Yeah, all what you say is true by me, too. And we can observe the same
behaviour when using an fcc-by-nick saving rule: if the folder with the
corresponding name (the nick) doesn't exist, one is not prompted to
create it when trying to save to it as it happened in the earlier
versions. Not even warned.

> (Normally, of course, you will be prompted to
> create the file.)
> If you happen to overlook this and, thinking that you have already
> saved that message, you manually delete it you
> are out of luck and have lost that message.

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I'm told this is a known problem and a bug fix is due out soon.
I hope that is true.
I've lost a few good messages before I figured out what was happening.

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:41:07 +0300 (MSK)
From: Ivan Zakharyaschev <[email protected]>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine 4.30 fails to create Fcc folder

On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, zachariah wrote:

> If you create a new address book entry in Pine 4.30 with an Fcc entry
> for a file which does not already exist and
> then go back to your messages index, hit 's' for save and view the file
> name at the bottom nothing happens after
> you hit <RTN>. The file is not created and the message not saved.

Yeah, all what you say is true by me, too. And we can observe the same
behaviour when using an fcc-by-nick saving rule: if the folder with the
corresponding name (the nick) doesn't exist, one is not prompted to
create it when trying to save to it as it happened in the earlier
versions. Not even warned.

> (Normally, of course, you will be prompted to
> create the file.)
> If you happen to overlook this and, thinking that you have already
> saved that message, you manually delete it you
> are out of luck and have lost that message.

--
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Ivan Z.

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In PC-PINE, would it be possible (in a future release) to have a
folder indicate (by bold-face, + sign, or something like that)
that new messages have arrived in that folder? I'm using a lot
of procmail filters to sort my mail, but I have to check all of
my folders manually to see if new messages have arrived. A long
time ago, I used a similar (DOS) mailreader called Yarn, which
did the job tremendously well (even indicating the number of new
messages per folder).

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On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Ben C. O. Grimm wrote:

> In PC-PINE, would it be possible (in a future release) to have a
> folder indicate (by bold-face, + sign, or something like that)
> that new messages have arrived in that folder? I'm using a lot
> of procmail filters to sort my mail, but I have to check all of
> my folders manually to see if new messages have arrived. A long
> time ago, I used a similar (DOS) mailreader called Yarn, which
> did the job tremendously well (even indicating the number of new
> messages per folder).

In the interim, try setting up Incoming Folders so you can TAB through
them for new messages. Go to enable-incoming-folders in Main, Setup,
Config.

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I just sent a file that is too large to be e-mailed, and the sendmail is
trying to send it. How can I clear sendmail out? What is the command for
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From: Lars Scheffmann <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:04, Scott Leibrand wrote:

SL >On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Ben C. O. Grimm wrote:
SL >
SL >> In PC-PINE, would it be possible (in a future release) to have a
SL >> folder indicate (by bold-face, + sign, or something like that)
SL >> that new messages have arrived in that folder? I'm using a lot
SL >> of procmail filters to sort my mail, but I have to check all of
SL >> my folders manually to see if new messages have arrived. A long
SL >> time ago, I used a similar (DOS) mailreader called Yarn, which
SL >> did the job tremendously well (even indicating the number of new
SL >> messages per folder).
SL >
SL >In the interim, try setting up Incoming Folders so you can TAB through
SL >them for new messages. Go to enable-incoming-folders in Main, Setup,
SL >Config.

Why not use the tools which already are in PC-Pine?

>From Folder List, type ; for Select
p for Properties
n for New msgs or U for Unseen msgs
z for ZoomMode

and there you have all the Folders with New messages.

Regards

Lars Scheffmann, Network Adm. E-Mail: [email protected]
Dept. of Academic Inf. Technology Phone: +45 6550 1000 ext.2867
DOU, Odense University Direct: +45 6550 2867
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On Nov 26, 2000 at 23:55, dana wrote:

>I just sent a file that is too large to be e-mailed, and the sendmail is
>trying to send it. How can I clear sendmail out? What is the command for
>this?

The sendmail queue may live in one of several places, one of which is
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files in that directory called df[id] qf[id] and xf[id]. You probably
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Pine 4.30 also fails to create a folder if you make a filter and ask that messages be moved to a mail folder which
has not previously been created.

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From: Ivan Zakharyaschev <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, zachariah wrote:

> If you create a new address book entry in Pine 4.30 with an Fcc entry
> for a file which does not already exist and
> then go back to your messages index, hit 's' for save and view the file
> name at the bottom nothing happens after
> you hit <RTN>. The file is not created and the message not saved.

Yeah, all what you say is true by me, too. And we can observe the same
behaviour when using an fcc-by-nick saving rule: if the folder with the
corresponding name (the nick) doesn't exist, one is not prompted to
create it when trying to save to it as it happened in the earlier
versions. Not even warned.

> (Normally, of course, you will be prompted to
> create the file.)
> If you happen to overlook this and, thinking that you have already
> saved that message, you manually delete it you
> are out of luck and have lost that message.

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Hi,
I have RedHat Linux 7.0 and I have read the documentation
about allowing users to change the from address. How and Where do I
put this information in the /etc/pinerc files? Are all precomplied
binaries set to not allow changing the from address? I tried the
settings and set up a Role, but it would not allow me to change the
From: address.

Thanks for any help,

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Ok, thanks for info.

On 2000-11-27 [email protected] said:
On Nov 26, 2000 at 23:55, dana wrote:
>I just sent a file that is too large to be e-mailed, and the
>sendmail is trying to send it. How can I clear sendmail out? What
>is the command for this?
The sendmail queue may live in one of several places, one of which
is /var/spool/mqueue. Find out the message id of your message, and
delete the files in that directory called df[id] qf[id] and xf[id].
You probably won't have permission to do this unless you're root.

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Hello, I have just got Pine working with my Solaris-8 (Intel) box
and the mail header only says:

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How can I edit the header to show what my Netscape mailer:

(skipped Xmailer stuff) ... " SunOS 5.8 i86pc "

Can I find where pine is getting the <Pine.GSO.4.30...> from and
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Once again I've been stung, and I'd like to understand what's going on, and
how to prevent it.

I ordinarily use Pine 4.21 on Unix as my email client. Earlier today I was
experimenting on a PC with another email client (Microsoft Outlook, if it
matters), set up to pull mail via POP3. At LEAST I got it set up so that it
didn't delete everything from my Unix inbox when it pulled it into the PC.

However, now I find that my Pine inbox has two of every previously existing
email (which amounts to several hundred). Can someone explain to me what
happened, why, and how I could have prevented it?

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Hi!

I have question about mails which have attachments - How to remove only
attachments from mail without deleting mail. If I switch to attachment view I
can delete particular attachment using "D" key (D mark show on left side of this
attachment), but I cant delete this attachments physically. What I should do in
this case? If its really possible remove this attachments from mail?

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Once you have deleted the attachment, save the message again. I ussually
save it in a different directory, and then delete the origional, thrn save
the new message back in the directory I want.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have question about mails which have attachments - How to remove only
> attachments from mail without deleting mail. If I switch to attachment view I
> can delete particular attachment using "D" key (D mark show on left side of this
> attachment), but I cant delete this attachments physically. What I should do in
> this case? If its really possible remove this attachments from mail?
>
> Regards
>
> Piotr
>

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Thanks! Its works, but for me is little strange, because pine should have
option/key which which should privide this service - removing attachments from
mails.

Regards

Piotr

> Once you have deleted the attachment, save the message again. I ussually
> save it in a different directory, and then delete the origional, thrn save
> the new message back in the directory I want.
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Piotr Martyniuk wrote:
> > Hi!
> > I have question about mails which have attachments - How to remove only
> > attachments from mail without deleting mail. If I switch to attachment view I
> > can delete particular attachment using "D" key (D mark show on left side of this
> > attachment), but I cant delete this attachments physically. What I should do in
> > this case? If its really possible remove this attachments from mail?
> > Piotr

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Sure no problem. I am also very new to pine, and that was one of the first
things I wanted to know ;-) Maybe there should be an option for that, but
hey, this way works too, and it's not like I have to do it every day :-)

> Thanks! Its works, but for me is little strange, because pine should have
> option/key which which should privide this service - removing attachments from
> mails.

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> > I have question about mails which have attachments - How to remove only
> > attachments from mail without deleting mail. If I switch to attachment view I
> > can delete particular attachment using "D" key (D mark show on left side of this
> > attachment), but I cant delete this attachments physically. What I should do in
> > this case? If its really possible remove this attachments from mail?
>
> Once you have deleted the attachment, save the message again. I ussually
> save it in a different directory, and then delete the origional, thrn save
> the new message back in the directory I want.

You can leave out the middle step by deleting the attachments, then saving
the message in the same folder. There is no need to save it to a
different folder, then back to the original.

I must say, however, that an "Expunge attachments" command would be ideal.

Dan Fulbright

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:36:28 -0800 (PST)
>From: Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Subject: Inbox doubling up
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>Once again I've been stung, and I'd like to understand what's going on, and
>how to prevent it.
>
>I ordinarily use Pine 4.21 on Unix as my email client. Earlier today I was
>experimenting on a PC with another email client (Microsoft Outlook, if it
>matters), set up to pull mail via POP3. At LEAST I got it set up so that it
>didn't delete everything from my Unix inbox when it pulled it into the PC.
>
>However, now I find that my Pine inbox has two of every previously existing
>email (which amounts to several hundred). Can someone explain to me what
>happened, why, and how I could have prevented it?

One of the programs most likely "got" the mail, then to "leave it on the
server", it put another copy back in your mailbox.

You may consider this to be a sarcastic answer, but I am not meaning it
this way... Use IMAP if at all possible.. If it's not possible, try to
get your sysadmins to enable IMAP connections.. or change ISPs..

I say this as "a user", but I like IMAP *so much better* than POP, simply
because I can connect from multiple sites, simultaneously, and don't
have to care about "leave mail on server" or anything like that. It just
works. (You may want to raise an issue of the mailbox sizes getting huge,
but I'd say that's more of an issue of having users clean out their mailboxes
periodically... Not that I do.. heh.. But I think that email is the
PERFECT example of client/server systems.. Why should I have to copy the
mail locally to read it??)

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Hello,

Does anyone know if it is possible in pine 4.10 to select
more then one attachment at once?
";" doesn't seem to work when viewing files to attach (^T).

Michael
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Michael Schulz wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know if it is possible in pine 4.10 to select
> more then one attachment at once?
> ";" doesn't seem to work when viewing files to attach (^T).
>
> Michael
>

Well set up the tab completion option in pine config, see
attachment help.
Lets say you want to send the files /usr/share/doc/help/apple.com.doc
and /home/user/apple.txt
on the attachment line type:
/usr/share/doc/help/apple.com.doc,~/apple.txt
while typing the file names once you have the majoroity of the file path
and name use the "tab" key to complete the file name.

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Hi Keith,

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Keith Wyatt - N6JPA wrote:

> Well set up the tab completion option in pine config, see
> attachment help.
> Lets say you want to send the files /usr/share/doc/help/apple.com.doc
> and /home/user/apple.txt
> on the attachment line type:
> /usr/share/doc/help/apple.com.doc,~/apple.txt
> while typing the file names once you have the majoroity of the file path
> and name use the "tab" key to complete the file name.

is there a way to select more than one file with wildcards? Just like:

/home/user/*.html

bye,

jb

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Joern Bredereck wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
>
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Keith Wyatt - N6JPA wrote:
>
> > Well set up the tab completion option in pine config, see
> > attachment help.
> > Lets say you want to send the files /usr/share/doc/help/apple.com.doc
> > and /home/user/apple.txt
> > on the attachment line type:
> > /usr/share/doc/help/apple.com.doc,~/apple.txt
> > while typing the file names once you have the majoroity of the file path
> > and name use the "tab" key to complete the file name.
>
> is there a way to select more than one file with wildcards? Just like:
>
> /home/user/*.html
>
> bye,
>
> jb
>
>

>From the command prompt:

pine -attachlist file1 file2 file3
or
pine -attachlist *.html

Just make sure the files are in the same directory as where you
run the above commands.

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