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Hi,

I just installed PC-Pine 4.21 on my laptop, and it worked fine for two
days...

When I start, I get "INBOX opened with x messages" and everything seems
fine. I can compose or go to other folders and read messages, but when I
access INBOX and press I for index, the program hangs, and all I get is
the hourglass... :( The header changes to "MESSAGE INDEX" but nothing else
happens. The Windows Task Manager reports "Not responding". The debug
files all ends with the config-line "no-show-cursor".

Anyone experienced something similar?

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On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> When I start, I get "INBOX opened with x messages" and everything seems
> fine. I can compose or go to other folders and read messages, but when I
> access INBOX and press I for index, the program hangs, and all I get is
> the hourglass... :( The header changes to "MESSAGE INDEX" but nothing else
> happens. The Windows Task Manager reports "Not responding". The debug
> files all ends with the config-line "no-show-cursor".
>
> Anyone experienced something similar?

yeah, when my Inbox is huge. i.e. when x==(a freakin' huge number)

is yours freakin' huge?

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How do I setup the LDAP server. I seached in the
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I saw in the help index that pine supports ldap.

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From: Atle Weibell <[email protected]>
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> > Anyone experienced something similar?
>
> yeah, when my Inbox is huge. i.e. when x==(a freakin' huge number)
> is yours freakin' huge?

No, it only contains 8 messages... Two of them were large, aprox. 2MB
each, so I tried to delete 4 of them through the web-based interface, and
then it actually worked well! I wouldn't say that it was huge anyway,
though.... I'll let you know if it happens again...

What should be the normal limit of the inbox? I don't usually keep
messages there, but sometimes it could easy get over 4MB if you get some
large attachments...

Regards,
Atle Weibell

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From: Robert Larmon <[email protected]>
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Subject: Pine, PC-Pine, and quotas...
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Hi all,

I'm running Pine and PC-Pine 4.21, and I've noticed behavior that is
different than before with the quotas (definitely with PC-Pine, not sure
yet for regular Pine). When deleting messages, it appears that Pine
and/or PC-Pine needs more space on the users's quota space before it can
delete a message. Here's an example...

user1
------
soft quota - 5MB (/var)
hard quota - 10MB (/var)
user's inbox is 9MB

If user1 has a 2MB email that he tries to delete, it won't let him
unless I raise the quota, I think to 18 MB before it allows him to delete
the message.

It seems like it has to create a temp file on /var before removing the old
one. Is this standard Pine behavior? Shouldn't a temp file be created
first on /tmp or something? Or does IMAP play with this (I'm running UW
IMAP release IMAP4rev1 v12.250) ? I can't really change the settings too
much since it's a production system, so any advice or insight is
appreciated.

Thanks,

Robert

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On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> > > Anyone experienced something similar?
> >
> > yeah, when my Inbox is huge. i.e. when x==(a freakin' huge number)
> > is yours freakin' huge?
>
> No, it only contains 8 messages... Two of them were large, aprox. 2MB
> each, so I tried to delete 4 of them through the web-based interface, and
> then it actually worked well! I wouldn't say that it was huge anyway,
> though.... I'll let you know if it happens again...
>
> What should be the normal limit of the inbox? I don't usually keep
> messages there, but sometimes it could easy get over 4MB if you get some
> large attachments...

I think I have the same thing. Are you accessing your inbox on a remote
machine over a dial-up connection? Apparently what happens is that
PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index,
then download each message again to save it to your local machine.

I use the tricks on Nancy's web page to set it up for offline reading,
then just go do something else while it transfers the contents of inbox
to my machine.

James

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On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, James wrote:

> I think I have the same thing. Are you accessing your inbox on a remote
> machine over a dial-up connection? Apparently what happens is that
Yes, and for a while just by a 28.8-modem...

> PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index,
> then download each message again to save it to your local machine.
It probably doesn't actually hang, then - even though Windows think so....
(Why am I not surprised..?)
Maybe PC-PINE should be programmed to contact the OS every now and then
while transferring the messages, so that Windows would understand that it
is working...?

> I use the tricks on Nancy's web page to set it up for offline reading,
> then just go do something else while it transfers the contents of inbox
> to my machine.
This solution is only temporary for me, so I'll manage with it until I get
up a linux box with ISDN, I think...

Thanks for your help, anyway!

Regards,

Atle Weibell

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Given the number of iso-8859-1-generating MUA's out there (Outlook,
Eudora), there is often a large amount of wasted screen space when Pine
warns about having a differing charset than what the viewed message is
(e.g., about 5 lines, including whitespace):

[ The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set. ]
[ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ]
[ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

I recommend that Pine have an option to either surpress or minimize the
warning. A one-liner like this might suffice given an option change:

[ Charsets ] [ message: "iso-8859-1" ] [ display: "US-ASCII" ]

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> Given the number of iso-8859-1-generating MUA's out there (Outlook,
> Eudora), there is often a large amount of wasted screen space when Pine
> warns about having a differing charset than what the viewed message is
> (e.g., about 5 lines, including whitespace):
>
> I recommend that Pine have an option to either surpress or minimize the
> warning. A one-liner like this might suffice given an option change:

I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to
ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but it
will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without errors.

An option to supress the charset warning would still be nice, though. I
don't need to be told whether I can read something. :)

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Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received messages
to Unicode UTF-8 for display? Then, when running Pine through a UTF-8 capable
terminal session, users could receive messages in a wide variety of charsets
and have them displayed properly (without warning messages). For comparison, I
just found out the Lynx (Unix text-based web browser) has this ability.

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote:

> Do you have more information on this? Lynx? UTF-8? Do you have a web site?

Info on Lynx is at
http://lynx.browser.org/

By the way, our Anzio (Windows telnet client) can handle UTF-8 to/from the
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, James wrote:
>
> > I think I have the same thing. Are you accessing your inbox on a remote
> > machine over a dial-up connection? Apparently what happens is that
> Yes, and for a while just by a 28.8-modem...
>
> > PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index,
> > then download each message again to save it to your local machine.
> It probably doesn't actually hang, then - even though Windows think so....
> (Why am I not surprised..?)

No, it doesn't hang for me, though at first I certainly thought it had.
If you're actually getting it hanging, or disconnecting the line, you
might look for timeouts on your dialup connection settings or something
like that.

> Maybe PC-PINE should be programmed to contact the OS every now and then
> while transferring the messages, so that Windows would understand that it
> is working...?

Yes, something like this really needs to be done. It also won't redraw
while it's downloading, accept input to kill mistaken commands, or
similar things.

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> > Glad to see that Pine is still alive and kicking.
> > I'm
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> > OS9?
> >
> > Another question I had is, in a nutshell, how does
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On 00-08-01 James <[email protected]> wrote:
> Apparently what happens is that
> PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index,
> then download each message again to save it to your local machine.

I thought that one of the beauties of IMAP and of Pine, which is=20
the queen of IMAP clients IMHO, is that only the headers are
downloaded. So my question is: Is the server with these speed
problems serving the folders using IMAP or POP? If it's POP,
maybe that is the root of the problem. If it's IMAP, then the
question is what folder format is the problem folder in?=20
According to Mark Crispin and others in comp.mail.imap, the
most efficient folder format to use is mbx format and one of
the least efficient is good ol' Berkeley mbox format. So another
way to fix this problem would be to switch to mbx folder format
on your server (but maybe you aren't the admin). Finally, you=20
can try using the speed tips I give here:

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#speed

Good luck,
Nancy

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On 08/02/00, at 10:32am -0700, Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]> wrote:

>Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received messages
>to Unicode UTF-8 for display?

Why does pine need a built-in feature for this utility? I suppose you could use
display-filter to pipe messages to a utility for conversion to another
character set, though it would probably be easier to do this with a procmail
recipie.

>For comparison, I just found out the Lynx (Unix text-based web browser) has
>this ability.

It's debateable whether it's a good idea to add so many features to Lynx, which
isn't as quick as it once was.

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Nancy McGough wrote:

> > Apparently what happens is that
> > PC-Pine has to download every message before it can display the index,
> > then download each message again to save it to your local machine.
>
> I thought that one of the beauties of IMAP and of Pine, which is
> the queen of IMAP clients IMHO, is that only the headers are
> downloaded. So my question is: Is the server with these speed
> problems serving the folders using IMAP or POP? If it's POP,
> maybe that is the root of the problem. If it's IMAP, then the
I just realized that I was using POP3, which was what I found in
the example-text that I read somewhere. I haven't got a lot of messages
since changing to IMAP, but it seems like it's downloading only the
headers first, as you say. Great!

> way to fix this problem would be to switch to mbx folder format
> on your server (but maybe you aren't the admin). Finally, you
I'm not the admin, but I've asked my ISP what format they use (is there
any other way to find it out?)

> can try using the speed tips I give here:
> http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#speed
Already found them, but haven't had the time to try everything yet... -
Great pages!

When I disconnect my dialup-line while I'm still in the open INBOX, I get
'INBOX closed' at the next check for new mail, I suppose. Is this a wrong
way to do it, or are there any way to open the inbox again, next time I
get connected, without having to quit Pine?

Regards,

Atle Weibell

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Hi !

when a guy sends you an attached document, without the mime type included,
pine set it to Application/OCTET-STREAM. which is not directly readable.
you have to save it, and launch the proper viewer.

I would like to know if it is possible to add the feature to pine:
when receving an attachement "Application/OCTET-STREAM", try to find what it is
with the file cmd and with the extension, refering to mime-types...

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> On 08/02/00, at 10:32am -0700, Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received messages
> >to Unicode UTF-8 for display?
>
> Why does pine need a built-in feature for this utility? I suppose you could use
> display-filter to pipe messages to a utility for conversion to another
> character set, though it would probably be easier to do this with a procmail
> recipie.

1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that
supports UTF-8.
2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be
integrated into Pine.
3. Not everyone speaks English.
4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users, either
for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access.
5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all.

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On 08/03/00, at 9:41am -0700, Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>On 08/02/00, at 10:32am -0700, Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>Has anyone done any work on making Pine (for Unix) convert received
>>>messages to Unicode UTF-8 for display?

>>Why does pine need a built-in feature for this utility? I suppose you could
>>use display-filter to pipe messages to a utility for conversion to another
>>character set, though it would probably be easier to do this with a procmail
>>recipie.

>1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that
>supports UTF-8.
>2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be
>integrated into Pine.
>3. Not everyone speaks English.
>4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users, either
>for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access.
>5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all.

Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying.

1. If there's a need for the utility, perhaps you should volunteer and
contribute it to the community.

2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be
translated.

3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the
duty of the terminal. Conversion of messages to another character set is not
the duty of a Mail client. As I pointed out, Pine has "display filters" feature
that could work with a utility to do this.

4. Lack of ability is their problem. If the system administrator feels that
character set conversion is in the best interest of a lot of his users, than,
yes, he should set this up for them. That would be his job.

5. So what?

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Thank you for your charming response. See below.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> On 08/03/00, at 9:41am -0700, Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> >1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that
> >supports UTF-8.
> >2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be
> >integrated into Pine.
> >3. Not everyone speaks English.
> >4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users, either
> >for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access.
> >5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all.
>
> Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying.

I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond to the list and not the
sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute that feature to the
community.

>
> 1. If there's a need for the utility, perhaps you should volunteer and
> contribute it to the community.

I'd rather not reinvent the proverbial wheel, if it's out ther already.

>
> 2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be
> translated.

But the header MAY contain a charset identifier, which may not match the
user's charset, so currently Pine will display it incorrectly.

>
> 3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the
> duty of the terminal.

Absurd.

> Conversion of messages to another character set is not
> the duty of a Mail client. As I pointed out, Pine has "display filters" feature
> that could work with a utility to do this.

Actually, that is helpful. I'll look into it.

>
> 4. Lack of ability is their problem. If the system administrator feels that
> character set conversion is in the best interest of a lot of his users, than,
> yes, he should set this up for them. That would be his job.

Let me guess, you're in customer support, right?

Consider the case of a Chinese-speaking student at an American university. The
student wants to read mail from home. The university has provided a Pine email
account. The sysadmin speaks only English, and knows nothing of foreign
character sets. Now which is the best solution:

1. The student tries to convince the sysadmin there is a problem.
2. The student (an English major) writes a character-set translation program
in Unix, and attaches it to the display-filter.
3. The student is shown how to change the display charset from US-ASCII to
UTF-8 (as in Lynx), and can now read Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian,
Hebrew, ...

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On 08/03/00, at 10:57am -0700, Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]> wrote:

>Thank you for your charming response. See below.

Why, the numbered response, which didn't address what I said, sure indicated
what your attitude was. You're welcome.

>On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>On 08/03/00, at 9:41am -0700, Bob Rasmussen <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>1. I am unaware of a general purpose character translation utility that
>>>supports UTF-8.
>>>2. Display of message header information, such as sender's name, need to be
>>>integrated into Pine.
>>>3. Not everyone speaks English.
>>>4. Setting up procmail is not an option for vast numbers of Pine users,
>>>either for reasons of technical ability or for lack of shell access.
>>>5. Display of all-ASCII messages would not be slowed at all.

>>Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying.

>I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond to the list and not the
>sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute that feature to the
>community.

That's right, it's the Mail client's fault for making you do something wrong.
It's not your responsibility to observe what is happening.

>>1. If there's a need for the utility, perhaps you should volunteer and
>>contribute it to the community.

>I'd rather not reinvent the proverbial wheel, if it's out ther already.

You're complaining that it's not a Pine feature, but you haven't looked for it
yourself to use with Pine.

>>2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be
>>translated.

>But the header MAY contain a charset identifier, which may not match the
>user's charset, so currently Pine will display it incorrectly.

False; Pine passes the characters along just fine. It's up to the TERMINAL
settings to present the characters as intended.

>>3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the
>>duty of the terminal.

>Absurd.

Nothing anyone says will shake you of that, right? You know best.

>>4. Lack of ability is their problem. If the system administrator feels that
>>character set conversion is in the best interest of a lot of his users, than,
>>yes, he should set this up for them. That would be his job.

>Let me guess, you're in customer support, right?

>Consider the case of a Chinese-speaking student at an American university. The
>student wants to read mail from home. The university has provided a Pine email
>account. The sysadmin speaks only English, and knows nothing of foreign
>character sets. Now which is the best solution:

>1. The student tries to convince the sysadmin there is a problem.
>2. The student (an English major) writes a character-set translation program
>in Unix, and attaches it to the display-filter.
>3. The student is shown how to change the display charset from US-ASCII to
>UTF-8 (as in Lynx), and can now read Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian,
>Hebrew, ...

None. The student looks for, and finds, a terminal emulation that meets his
needs. It's his computer, right?

If he's using a public terminal, then, yes, he requests the feature from the
system adminstrator, helpfully providing the name of the correct application if
it's not currently part of the Unix distribution in use.

This very same student could be at a school that doesn't use Pine as a default
Mail client on public terminals.

With respect to Lynx, the terminal still has to be capable of displaying those
characters! If I'm using a text terminal emulation on a DOS comm program with
an amber text monitor, I'm going to see garbage.

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On Aug 3, 2000 at 10:57, Bob Rasmussen wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> Do not Cc list members when replying; it's annoying.
>
>I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond to the list and not the
>sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute that feature to the
>community.

Suggestion: use the List-Post header.

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>> 2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters, remember? They wouldn't be
>> translated.
>But the header MAY contain a charset identifier, which may not match the
>user's charset, so currently Pine will display it incorrectly.

Based on the charset header, an attempt can be made to use a proper
filter, or tell the terminal.

>> 3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display of a character set is the
>> duty of the terminal.
>Absurd.

On *nix, that is not absurd in the least.

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> Suggestion: use the List-Post header.
>
> [ Note: This message contains email list management information ]

Problem: this only applies to composing new messages, and it is out of the
way for users to use well.

The proper way to handle this is for the user to list someplace the
addresses of mailing lists he is on, and if a messages comes in with one
of those addresses in the To: or CC: fields, the user has the option of
replying solely to the list after hitting "Reply".

This is how mutt handles the situation.

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:
>
>> Given the number of iso-8859-1-generating MUA's out there (Outlook,
>> Eudora), there is often a large amount of wasted screen space when Pine
>> warns about having a differing charset than what the viewed message is
>> (e.g., about 5 lines, including whitespace):
>>
>> I recommend that Pine have an option to either surpress or minimize the
>> warning. A one-liner like this might suffice given an option change:
>
>I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to
>ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but it
>will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without errors.

Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based terminal
that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling it
to actually display high-bit-set characters and such?

>An option to supress the charset warning would still be nice, though. I
>don't need to be told whether I can read something. :)

I like the idea too.

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Is this a personal spat? Because I assume the whole
list is being subjected to it.

> >> Do not Cc list members when replying; it's
> annoying.
> >
> >I've always wished Pine had an easy way to respond
> to the list and not the
> >sender. Perhaps you should volunteer and contribute
> that feature to the
> >community.
>
> Suggestion: use the List-Post header.
>
> [ Note: This message contains email list
> management information ]
>
> >> 2. Irrelevant; headers MUST be 7 bit characters,
> remember? They wouldn't be
> >> translated.
> >But the header MAY contain a charset identifier,
> which may not match the
> >user's charset, so currently Pine will display it
> incorrectly.
>
> Based on the charset header, an attempt can be made
> to use a proper
> filter, or tell the terminal.
>
> >> 3. So what? Pine is a Mail client. Proper display
> of a character set is the
> >> duty of the terminal.
> >Absurd.
>
> On *nix, that is not absurd in the least.
>
> --
> Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see
> <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
> All generalizations are false, including this one.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Anybody knows if pine 3.96 works OK on AIX 4.2.1 Maintenance Level 6 ???

It works OK on Maintenance Level 3...
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Hello,

Do you have any information about University of Washington imap-utils
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The essential utility in this package is called (I
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Any help is appreciated!

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On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Antonopoulos Panagiotis wrote:

> Actually, I too, use several languages and would like to be able to see
> Greek properly displayed in pine, just as French, German and Italian. As
> I am not a technical person, I do not know much of the program
> difficulties, but I would certainly appreciate having this ability and
> convenience within pine.

At this point, it would seem that you have two options, assuming that your
terminal emulator is able to display the necessary character sets:

1) For each message that you view, manually change your terminal program to
match its character set to the character set of the message. For the languages
you mention, this should not be too difficult.

2) Set up "display filters" -- for each charset, have a program that either

a) sends an escape sequence to set the terminal program to the right
charset, or
b) translates the data from its incoming charset to one the the terminal
program can handle.

The appeal of a Unicode UTF-8 solution would be that it could be done once and
would then handle everything from Syriac to Inuktitut.

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I know this is more of a terminal issue than a PINE one, but I am curious to
know whether anyone else has experienced it. I am using Wyse 50 & 60
terminals using a Wyse 50+ personality on our DG/UX system.

When I quit PINE, it sends control characters to the terminal that changes
the write protected character attributes to Normal (instead of Dim) and
turns the Reverse display on. Is there any way to prevent this from
happening? Or is there any easy way (other than going into setup) to
reverse this??

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On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Robert Dwyer - Inhealth Record Systems wrote:

> I know this is more of a terminal issue than a PINE one, but I am curious to
> know whether anyone else has experienced it. I am using Wyse 50 & 60
> terminals using a Wyse 50+ personality on our DG/UX system.
>
> When I quit PINE, it sends control characters to the terminal that changes
> the write protected character attributes to Normal (instead of Dim) and
> turns the Reverse display on. Is there any way to prevent this from
> happening? Or is there any easy way (other than going into setup) to
> reverse this??

This is most likely a problem in how your termcap or terminfo entry for Wyse50
is set up. Pine can be compiled to use either termcap or terminfo; determining
which one is being used can be tricky.

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Anybody out there know anything about a version of
Pine supported by Mac? Is anyone currently using Pine
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See "UTF-8's usability" section of "Unicode Transformation Formats"
http://czyborra.com/utf/ for information on an editor for X11 called Yudit that
you may find useful. There's even a note about changing TERMCAP and using
display-filters in the .pinerc to see UTF-8.

But Bob Rasmussen's won't use it as it's absurd to modify the terminal to
correctly display characters, right?

Unicode is an attempt to embody all of the world's codes and symbols (and
musical notes!) and alphabets in one universal character set. Unicode
Transformation Format (UTF) is a coded character set, in other words, a mapping
of the symbol to a number. UTF-8 represents characters as 7,8, 16, and 20 bits,
a major improvement over an earlier attempt to represent everything as 16 bits.

One hopes that if UTF-8 actually is "the way to go" that they are correct about
the new 20-bit limit being large enough to encode absolutely everything!

In the meantime, the Europeans are still causing trouble by introducing
extensions to ASCII for more incompatible representations of "Latin", failing
to include Turkish characters in newer, so-called universal extensions, for the
usual political reasons. Apparently, WWI has not yet ended...

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The DG/UX port uses terminfo. When a terminfo pine quits it sends the
terminfo "rmcup" string to the display.

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On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Bob Rasmussen wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Robert Dwyer - Inhealth Record Systems wrote:
>
> > I know this is more of a terminal issue than a PINE one, but I am curious to
> > know whether anyone else has experienced it. I am using Wyse 50 & 60
> > terminals using a Wyse 50+ personality on our DG/UX system.
> >
> > When I quit PINE, it sends control characters to the terminal that changes
> > the write protected character attributes to Normal (instead of Dim) and
> > turns the Reverse display on. Is there any way to prevent this from
> > happening? Or is there any easy way (other than going into setup) to
> > reverse this??
>
> This is most likely a problem in how your termcap or terminfo entry for Wyse50
> is set up. Pine can be compiled to use either termcap or terminfo; determining
> which one is being used can be tricky.
>
>

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What exactly is this checking for?

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Hello:

I turned on the return receipt feature in my custom headers, and I get
receipts from other people most of the time. However, I can't seem to
send a return receipt to others when I receive their messages. I thought
that you had to set up the return receipt option in sendmail. Can people
with linux boxes set the feature up? Please cc all responses.

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Hi Leslie,

I turned on the return receipt feature in my custom headers, and I get
receipts from other people most of the time. However, I can't seem to
send a return receipt to others when I receive their messages. I
thought that you had to set up the return receipt option in sendmail.
Can people with linux boxes set the feature up? Please cc all
responses.

There are two things at work here: mail user agents (MUAs) like pine, and
mail transport agents (MTAs) like sendmail. Pine can request another MUA to
notify it of certain events like a remote user reading a message. This is
handled by adding magic headers to the mail message that are not examined by
MTAs. There is an emerging standard for this: the
"Disposition-Notification-To:" header.

Delivery service notifications (DSNs) are requested by the MUA of the MTA,
that negotiates them with other MTAs it talks to. ESMTP has extensions to
negotiate this as the message is passed between MTAs. This is how you can
get receipts that indicate that the message was written to the remote user's
mailbox, but nothing more.

I have some procmail tricks to tell me when users request read receipts with
their MUA and I have another little script to send one (by hand). I pipe
their message through this script using Pine's "|" command to autogenerate
the receipt:

#! /bin/sh
(formail -rA"Precedence: junk" -A"X-Loop: [email protected]" \
-I"Subject: Read receipt" \
-A"From: [email protected] (Ben Elliston)" ;\
echo "Your message to Ben Elliston has just been read.") | /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -t

It would be nice to know what the plans are for Pine's support for receipts.
At the very least, it'd be great if Pine could flag messages which users
have requested receipts for. I understand the general reluctance, though,
which is that these are often a problem in the presence of mailing lists,
etc.

Ben

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Hello,

I currently work for a very large corporation that has a huge LDAP
directory, I'm
wondering if this is causing me problems with using pine's LDAP service.

LDAP Works fine under communicator with the following parameters:

Description: ldapserver
LDAP Server: ldapserver
Server root <LEFT BLANK>
Port 389
Max Hits 100
Neither Secure nor Login with Password are selected.

My pine configuration for ldap is as follows:

ldap-servers=ldapserver
"/base=/impl=1/rhs=0/ref=0/nosub=0/type=sur-or-given-or-na
me-or-email/srch=contains/time=/size=/cust=/nick=/matr=/catr=/satr=/gatr="

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>
> >I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to
> >ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but it
> >will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without errors=
=2E
>
> Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based terminal
> that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling it
> to actually display high-bit-set characters and such?

Have you actually encountered such a terminal? I haven't. So I don't
know what it would do when you tell it to display something like an =F1
(n-tilde) or an accented vowel like =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, or =FA. But I don'=
t imagine
it would misbehave any worse than if Pine's charset is US-ASCII.

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On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote:

> Do you have any information about University of Washington imap-utils
> package? Where is the web site address? Where can I get it?
> The essential utility in this package is called (I
> believe) imapmove and will be used to move users' email from one server to
> another. It would be "nice" to have imapmove authenticate via Kerberos.

The UW's IMAP site is at http://www.washington.edu/imap/

That's about all I know about it, though. :)

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I've got an incoming folder, TEST, mapped to a remote IMAP server. But,
when using TAB to go to the "next new" message, new messages on the IMAP
server (and thus in the TEST folder) are not displayed.

If I manually select the TEST folder, the messages are there and are
flagged as "new" but, as I said, they don't show up when I use tab.

Am I doing something wrong or is this just the way PINE is supposed to
work?

Relevant information:

I'm using Pine 3.96
I have rsh-open-timeout set to 0 so I have to log into the TEST folder
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>> >I think a better solution in your case is to change your charset to
>> >ISO-8859-1. Pine will still send text-only messages in US-ASCII, but i=
t
>> >will also be able to send and receive ISO-8859-1 messages without error=
s.
>>
>> Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based terminal
>> that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling it
>> to actually display high-bit-set characters and such?
>
>Have you actually encountered such a terminal? I haven't. So I don't

Yes I have. It's what I use to read Usenet and email at home.. ProTERM (a
terminal program, using a vt100 emulator) running on an Apple IIGS.

>know what it would do when you tell it to display something like an =F1
>(n-tilde) or an accented vowel like =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, or =FA. But I don=
't imagine
>it would misbehave any worse than if Pine's charset is US-ASCII.

They'll turn into wacky 'wrong' characters at the very least. I know that=
=20
"smart quotes" turn into Rs and Ss.

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:
> >> Umm.. but this won't work when viewing on an actual text-based termin=
al
> >> that can 'only' display ASCII.. right? you're talking about telling =
it
> >> to actually display high-bit-set characters and such?
> >
> >Have you actually encountered such a terminal? I haven't. So I don't
>
> Yes I have. It's what I use to read Usenet and email at home.. ProTERM =
(a
> terminal program, using a vt100 emulator) running on an Apple IIGS.
>
> >know what it would do when you tell it to display something like an =F1
> >(n-tilde) or an accented vowel like =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, or =FA. But I d=
on't imagine
> >it would misbehave any worse than if Pine's charset is US-ASCII.
>
> They'll turn into wacky 'wrong' characters at the very least. I know tha=
t
> "smart quotes" turn into Rs and Ss.

Yeah. I've seen plenty of that. But I think you'll find (if you view the
same message with both charsets) that Pine doesn't display things any
differently if you have it on ISO-8859-1 or US-ASCII. The only difference
I've seen (between using ISO-8859-1 and US-ASCII) is in whether or not it
displays the charset warning.

And BTW, because your charset is US-ASCII and you included my accented
characters in your reply, I got this warning:

[ The following text is in the "X-UNKNOWN" character set. ]
[ Your display is set for the "ISO-8859-1" character set. ]
[ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

So I'd advise setting your charset to ISO-8859-1 and see if there are any
drawbacks for you.

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i'm using pine 4.21 on an openBSD machine. I frequently get spams with
large html attachments. Like a good boy I forward these off to the abuse
contact at the spambag's isp. Lately though I've recieved spam that caused
pine to core dump when i try to forward it off. Here's a link to such
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Can anyone tell me how to enable the file carbon copy in unix pine
4.21? Thanks.

It's there -- hit ^R in the headers when composing to see the Fcc: field.

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With my last provider, messages I sent, whether through Compose or Reply,
automatically were copied to the sent-mail folder. This is not happening
with my new provider. How do I make it happen?

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With my last provider, messages I sent, whether through Compose or
Reply, automatically were copied to the sent-mail folder. This is not
happening with my new provider. How do I make it happen?

Take a look at the "default-fcc" item in the Setup screen.

Ben

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you'all better to get ready for the crash, primenet is getting ready to
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2000:
>i'm using pine 4.21 on an openBSD machine. I frequently get spams with
>large html attachments. Like a good boy I forward these off to the abuse
>contact at the spambag's isp. Lately though I've recieved spam that caused
>pine to core dump when i try to forward it off. Here's a link to such
>offending spam (i've recieved several others but have since deleted them):
>http://www.divisionbyzero.com/spam
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>and here's the accompanying core dump:
>http://www.divisionbyzero.com/pine.core
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>any ideas what is causing this?

I'm on the digest of this list so don't know if anyone else has already
answered yet. Plus my answer is going to be vague.

This sounds exactly like the problem I was having (not related to html
attachments, just crashes when forwarding or replying to various email).
There is a patch available. If there are archives for this list (I forget)
search for my name and you'll hopefully find the thread.

At least it's a *little* bit of a pointer in the right direction.

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I just received an email that contained both a text portion and an HTML
portion. My Pine (4.21) is configured to display the HTML portion by default,
with its built-in HTML viewer. The message contained a character entity for en
"en dash", which is Unicode hex 2013. Pine displayed this as hex 13, which is
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So the question: what rules govern Pine's HTML viewer's display of characters
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It appears that this behavior is affected by the configuration setting
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Hello,

Do you know is there an compile time option for the location of
"mime.types" ?
I know we could define pine.conf in os.h, how about mime.types?

Lots of thanks!

Lynn Zhang

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This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Jon Schatz wrote:

> i'm using pine 4.21 on an openBSD machine. I frequently get spams with
> large html attachments. Like a good boy I forward these off to the abuse
> contact at the spambag's isp. Lately though I've recieved spam that caused
> pine to core dump when i try to forward it off. Here's a link to such
> offending spam (i've recieved several others but have since deleted them):
> http://www.divisionbyzero.com/spam
>
> and here's the accompanying core dump:
> http://www.divisionbyzero.com/pine.core
>
> any ideas what is causing this?

This is a bug that occurs when trying to forward a message that contains
particular types of MIME attachments. I don't know what particularly
caused the crash in this case. However, the bug will be fixed in the next
version of pine, and I've attached a patch that should fix it.

Jeff

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I want PC-Pine 4.21 to be my default MAPI client on a Win95 system.
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If you want you can change the default in the source code by setting
MT_STDPATH (see .../pine/mailcap.c). But an easier way to do it is to
configure the default in pine.conf with the variable

mimetype-search-path

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On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Lynn Zhang wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Do you know is there an compile time option for the location of
> "mime.types" ?
> I know we could define pine.conf in os.h, how about mime.types?
>
> Lots of thanks!
>
>
>
>
> Lynn Zhang

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Hi Steve and Pine Form users,

Thanks very much for the info.
Do you know where can I find information on how to compile and install
imap-utils?

I downloaded the tar file, it contains man pages, but I could not find
information on how to compile and install.

Thanks!

Lynn

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*** Lynn Zhang wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Do you know where can I find information on how to compile and install
:) imap-utils?
:)
:) I downloaded the tar file, it contains man pages, but I could not find
:) information on how to compile and install.

Make sure you have the last version of the imap server compiled, your
directory structure should look like

% ls
imap-2000/ imap-utils.tar.Z

uncompress imap-utils, this will create a lot of directories, each one
containing a different product. Enter manually to each directory and
"make" the product you want.

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Honored Pine users,

I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a
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[Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838)

..where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message with
attachment, and 838 the size without attachment.

I also sometimes get another message:
[Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]

This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments...

Anyone knows why this happens?

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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell <[email protected]> wrote:

> Anyone knows why this happens?

No but for me the error is predictable.

I always get this message when I try to save a netflix.com message from
my inbox to saved-messages. My inbox is on mailandnews.com IMAP server
and saved-messages is on one of our own IMAP servers. I can use
Netscape to transfer the message. After that, Pine has no problems
saveing the same message to other folders on our server.

Any ideas?

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Yeah, your IMAP server is M$ Exchange, and it is configured to give message
size estimates instead of actual message sizes. The only thing you can do to
change this is to request that your IMAP admin make the appropriate change.

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> Honored Pine users,
>
> I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a
> local folder:
>
> [Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838)
>
> ...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message with
> attachment, and 838 the size without attachment.
>
> I also sometimes get another message:
> [Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]
>
> This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments...
>
> Anyone knows why this happens?
>
> Regards,
> --
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Daniel Sands <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yeah, your IMAP server is M$ Exchange, and it is configured to give
> message size estimates instead of actual message sizes. The only
> thing you can do to change this is to request that your IMAP admin
> make the appropriate change.

Interesting. mailandnews.com anounces itself as

* OK InterChange IMAP4 Server v3.61.06 Ready

Also. I see this if (and only if) the mail comes from
netflix.com. Could there be some other explanations?

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Here's an example of what pine says when I quit:
Pine finished -- Closed "INBOX". Kept 1,642 messages and deleted 1.

But that is wrong. It really *expunged* one.

When I manually hit 'x', it properly says it expunged messages, not deleted
them.

Maybe I sent email about this before, I don't remember... But it's just
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I'm using pine-4.21-8 on RedHat 6.2. When I reply to a message, the
reply-leadin is on the first line of the reply message. Is there a way to
add a line feed in the reply-leadin option to get it down 2 lines like it
used to be with the older versions?

thanks for the help!

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*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I'm using pine-4.21-8 on RedHat 6.2. When I reply to a message, the
:) reply-leadin is on the first line of the reply message. Is there a way to
:) add a line feed in the reply-leadin option to get it down 2 lines like it
:) used to be with the older versions?

Chris,

It looks like you don't use a signature file, if that's the case then
press M S C and make sure that "signature-at-bottom" is not checked in
your configuration.

If this is not the case, then you can also use roles (press M S R R) and
set a template file that contains the definition of the reply-leadin in
the position where you want it.

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Pine guys-
I have looked into the searchable archives and I think
that this can't be done, but what I want to do is have multiple
people login as the same user and simultaneously use pine, further
I would like to have mail messages become readonly when anyone
opens one up, not much to ask for, eh? I am trying to use e-mail
as part of my hotel reservations system to make reservations, but
if they can only be accessed one at a time (by one user) I can't
keep up with the demand. I am at present desiging a new system I
will put together to solve this problem, but in the meanwhile I
would like to do this.
If pine can't do this, do you have suggestions for a UNIX
based solution that could?

Thanks,

Stefan

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Stefan Carmien wrote:
[...Hard to understand statements about "read-only email messages"...]

You haven't refined your ideas enough for us to know what you're
trying to do or give an answer directing you toward that goal.

However:

> If pine can't do this, do you have suggestions for a UNIX
> based solution that could?

You could look into storing information in usenet news articles
instead of in email. Pine can read usenet news.

Sincerely,
Jacob Morzinski [email protected]

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*** Stefan Carmien ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) I have looked into the searchable archives and I think
:) that this can't be done, but what I want to do is have multiple
:) people login as the same user and simultaneously use pine, further
:) I would like to have mail messages become readonly when anyone
:) opens one up, not much to ask for, eh? I am trying to use e-mail

Stefan,

I would recommend to convert your folders to "mbx" format (if you want
your inbox converted to mbx format you'll be forced to use a delivery tool
like procmail to get the delivery done). "mbx" format allows multiple
access to the same folder (so one person accessing the folder won't lock
the whole folder for the rest). "mbx" format will not make a folder become
"read only" when someone else opens a message up, but it will have
automatic update of flags, so if you have a person open up a message with
a "N" flag (which therefore should get a "R" flag), this wil be noticed by
other people accessing the same folder as soon as they update their status
in the folder (which is done by just moving the cursor between messages in
the index).

This is the closest that I can think of that you are asking for.

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My ISP is running IMAIL as mailserver...but it's possible that they both
do the same thing... Anyway, that is only concerned with the last issue -
that message size doesn't match expected size, and not with the 'message
to save shrank'-case, I suppose.

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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Daniel Sands wrote:

> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:41:01 -0600
> From: Daniel Sands <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Message to save shrank
>
> Yeah, your IMAP server is M$ Exchange, and it is configured to give message
> size estimates instead of actual message sizes. The only thing you can do to
> change this is to request that your IMAP admin make the appropriate change.
>
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:
>
> > Honored Pine users,
> >
> > I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a
> > local folder:
> >
> > [Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838)
> >
> > ...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message with
> > attachment, and 838 the size without attachment.
> >
> > I also sometimes get another message:
> > [Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]
> >
> > This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments...
> >
> > Anyone knows why this happens?
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
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From: Bruce Cohen <[email protected]>
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I, too, have been having problems with message to save shrank for some months.
The problem started when my provider installed a different io handler.
If I look at the headers, I see that this new io handler adds a line to
the first "Received:" header: for example,

(envelope-from [email protected])

If I log on to pine and do not open the INBOX and then
quit the automatic move to mbox works fine, however neither the automatic move
or the manual save to mbox will work if the INBOX has actually been opened.

The message will shrink by a certain number of bytes, depending upon who sent
the message. In the above example (PINE-INFO as sender) the message to save
shrinks by 64 bytes - the above line is however only about 48 bytes.

If I look at the headers in the pine INBOX I see that the previous line appears to be
too long (DST is in the wrong place):

Received: from put.worldonline.nl (relay-2.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.138])
by pop3-1.worldonline.nl (8.9.3 (WOL 1.2)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22295
for <[email protected]>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:54 +0200 (MET
DST)
(envelope-from [email protected])

If I then count immediately after MET and count all spaces it's 64 bytes.

If I look at the saved header from the mbox (assuming I can somehow convince
the message to move there), I see that the previous line seems to be OK, if
indeed a trifle long for comfort (76 bytes plus $0A $09). Can it be that
pine expands the TAB to spaces and then recompresses? It it getting confused
because the expanded line is now over 80 bytes? Will this problem disappear
magically if I have the provider upgrade to 4.21 Unix (presently 3.96)?

If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way
it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to
add the rest manually!

There are other problems with the INBOX as well, that may or may not be
related to the message shrank problem, but certainly are related to the
change in io handler:

1) some messages appear twice in the Index - if you read one and quit, the
"duplicate" is gone on the next login.

2) sometimes messages that aren't marked for deletion are expunged with
those that are marked. However, on the next login they're (usually) back again
where they belong.

3) sometimes (rarely) messages that are marked for deletion won't expunge.

Once a message has made it to the mbox, there are no further problems with
it - it can't be moved at will to another folder or whatever.

Can anyone shed any light on the subject?

Bruce Cohen

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:

> Honored Pine users,

>I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a
>local folder:

>[Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838)

>...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message
>with
>attachment, and 838 the size without attachment.

>I also sometimes get another message:
>[Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]

>This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments...

>Anyone knows why this happens?

>Regards,
>--
>Atle Weibell | [email protected] | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431

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From: Bruce Cohen <[email protected]>
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Forgot one:

Sorting by date in the INBOX no longer works correctly, as well -
it's ALMOST right, but a few messages will appear out of order...

Bruce

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> I, too, have been having problems with message to save shrank for some months.
> The problem started when my provider installed a different io handler.
> If I look at the headers, I see that this new io handler adds a line to
> the first "Received:" header: for example,
>
> (envelope-from [email protected])
>
> If I log on to pine and do not open the INBOX and then
> quit the automatic move to mbox works fine, however neither the automatic move
> or the manual save to mbox will work if the INBOX has actually been opened.
>
> The message will shrink by a certain number of bytes, depending upon who sent
> the message. In the above example (PINE-INFO as sender) the message to save
> shrinks by 64 bytes - the above line is however only about 48 bytes.
>
> If I look at the headers in the pine INBOX I see that the previous line appears to be
> too long (DST is in the wrong place):
>
> Received: from put.worldonline.nl (relay-2.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.138])
> by pop3-1.worldonline.nl (8.9.3 (WOL 1.2)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22295
> for <[email protected]>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:54 +0200 (MET
> DST)
> (envelope-from [email protected])
>
> If I then count immediately after MET and count all spaces it's 64 bytes.
>
> If I look at the saved header from the mbox (assuming I can somehow convince
> the message to move there), I see that the previous line seems to be OK, if
> indeed a trifle long for comfort (76 bytes plus $0A $09). Can it be that
> pine expands the TAB to spaces and then recompresses? It it getting confused
> because the expanded line is now over 80 bytes? Will this problem disappear
> magically if I have the provider upgrade to 4.21 Unix (presently 3.96)?
>
> If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way
> it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to
> add the rest manually!
>
> There are other problems with the INBOX as well, that may or may not be
> related to the message shrank problem, but certainly are related to the
> change in io handler:
>
> 1) some messages appear twice in the Index - if you read one and quit, the
> "duplicate" is gone on the next login.
>
> 2) sometimes messages that aren't marked for deletion are expunged with
> those that are marked. However, on the next login they're (usually) back again
> where they belong.
>
> 3) sometimes (rarely) messages that are marked for deletion won't expunge.
>
> Once a message has made it to the mbox, there are no further problems with
> it - it can't be moved at will to another folder or whatever.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on the subject?
>
> Bruce Cohen
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Atle Weibell wrote:
>
> > Honored Pine users,
>
> >I get this message each time I try to save a mail with attachments to a
> >local folder:
>
> >[Message to save shrank! (#6: 49523 --> 838)
>
> >...where #6 is the message no in INBOX, 49253 the size of the message
> >with
> >attachment, and 838 the size without attachment.
>
> >I also sometimes get another message:
> >[Message size does not match expected size, continuing...]
>
> >This happens also on messages that doesn't contain attachments...
>
> >Anyone knows why this happens?
>
> >Regards,
> >--
> >Atle Weibell | [email protected] | pr 51690007 | mo 90690010 | fx 51690431
>
>
>
>

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On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way
> it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to
> add the rest manually!

Have you tried using ^J to justify it? I get this behavior when quoting
text produced by certain GUI mail clients that don't do any wrapping on
outgoing mail. ^J takes care of the entire paragraph.

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Tried it but it doesn't fix the problem. Anyhow it is definitely related
to the header problem - quoting was fine until message to save shrank
happened.

Do the pine developers follow the forum?

Bruce

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> If I try to respond to a message, the quoting no longer works the way
> it's supposed to: the > only appears on the first line - I have to
> add the rest manually!

Have you tried using ^J to justify it? I get this behavior when quoting
text produced by certain GUI mail clients that don't do any wrapping on
outgoing mail. ^J takes care of the entire paragraph.

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On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> Do the pine developers follow the forum?

Yes, they do. If you want, you can also send a message to
[email protected] (or [email protected] if you're sure
you've found a bug that hasn't been previously identified). There's no
guarantee you'll get a response, though. Their job is to produce new and
improved versions of Pine, not necessarily to answer everyone's Pine
questions. :)

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I know that it is possible to change the color of the message status
symbols, but I would like to change the color of the whole index line
based on the status. I have set up some index line coloring based on
To and Cc patterns, but I don't see any way to affect the color based
on the status. The patterns appear to test only the header fields,
whereas the status of the message may be indicated in different ways
(and not always in a header line) for different mailbox formats.

Am I missing something? The help text didn't give any hint.

-- Steve

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I'm beginning to think that it's a bug - I can't view the msgs in hex
on whatever remote machine INBOX connects to, but as I look at them in the
mbox I think that pine should be able to handle the headers...the only
thing I can come up with is that pine has to be expanding the tabs into
spaces causing some lines to overflow, which then confuses pine itself.

(for the record, the below has been ^J'd)

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Bruce Cohen wrote:

> Do the pine developers follow the forum?

Yes, they do. If you want, you can also send a message to
[email protected] (or [email protected] if you're sure
you've found a bug that hasn't been previously identified). There's no
guarantee you'll get a response, though. Their job is to produce new and
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Please wait a second while I hit myself over the head with a 2x4...

Ok. Done with that. Now what I should have told you the first time is
that you need to upgrade to Pine 4.21. You're still using 3.96, so it's
no wonder things don't work the way I expect. :)

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Will 4.21 deal properly with the header as described?

I don't really wan't to ask the provider to upgrade if it won't fix the
problem.

Bruce

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> Please wait a second while I hit myself over the head with a 2x4...

Ok. Done with that. Now what I should have told you the first time is
that you need to upgrade to Pine 4.21. You're still using 3.96, so it's
no wonder things don't work the way I expect. :)

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Hello pine-team and users,

I'm using pine 4.10 on a stand-alone linux machine with dial-up
connection. When sending mail from pine using "Default Role"
(i.e. no _role_ selected), the mail is spooled using my local systems
e-mail address (e.g. [email protected], bar@localhost) instead of
my _real_ internet e-mail address. Those messages won't be delivered to my
provider's mail host for further sending but returned to me with
complaints about non-existing sender domains.

Is there a possibility (by user configuration) to make pine fill-in the
From:-field even in "Default Role"?

Thanks in advance

Till Sch�nefeld

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Till Sch=F6nefeld wrote:

> Is there a possibility (by user configuration) to make pine fill-in the
> From:-field even in "Default Role"?

Yes, you can. Check out Nancy's Changing From page at
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/ for instructions.

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Background:===================================
We use an old level (3.95) of Pine on our UNIX/AIX IMAP mail server. We
have had it around a long time. At this point about a fifth of our
users use as a legacy app after telenting in, while most new users use
Netscape Messenger. There are some situations where Pine is preferable.

The Problem:===================================
We are looking to be able to serve various application requirements
through web-based apps. We need to be able to uniquely identify the
user and be able to associate him or her to the college's Banner
administrative system/database.
Recently we made a change to the gecos field in the Unix passwd file to
add the Banner key. Checking the various documentation for mail,
sendmail and Netscape Messenger, I found that they will treat
a forward slash
a percent sign
as a delimiter and ignore the delimiter and anything after it when
determining the the user name to put in the From: (sender) field. I
chose to use a percent sign because a forward slash had some unwanted
side effects (follwing text ended up as the Plan)

Thus a passwd file line that might have looked like this:
geoburnssdean:George Burns:/home/igeoburns:/bin/ksh
was changed to:
geoburnssdean:George Burns%00661685:/home/geoburns:/bin/ksh

This worked fine in almost all respects....except that the personal name
datum
in our Pine 3.95 ends up as:
personal-name = <Value is Fixed: using "George
Burns%00661685">

Apparently, Pine doesn't observe the delimiter convention and thus the
key and the percent sign delimter ends up in the Sender field. Is there
anything to be done about this?

My thanks in advance for your assistance.........
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Hello,

my PC-Pine v4.21 keeps crashing now and then when it filters mails.
It then says: Problem detected "Bad msgno 0 in mail_eltm nmsgs = 665" Pine
exiting.

The "nmsgs" specifies the number of message _before_ filtering.
When I login into an Unix machine and run pine there, all the filtered
messages are tagged "D"; when I remove them, I can start PC-Pine.

Is there some work-around for this crash?

Bye,

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Hi-
I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me? How
to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line of the
header, without disclosing the entire list membership.I vauggely recall
something about ending the list name with a semicolon or a colon.

thanks, rivkah isseroff

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*** rivkah isseroff wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Hi-
:) I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me?

When you have the cursor in the headers, press CTRL-R, and enter all the
addresses you don't want displayed in the Bcc: field.

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Steffen Kaiser wrote:

> my PC-Pine v4.21 keeps crashing now and then when it filters
> mails. It then says: Problem detected "Bad msgno 0 in mail_eltm
> nmsgs = 665" Pine exiting.

This is a known bug. When there are no new messages in your INBOX but
the ones that were filtered out, your highlight bar will be on message
n+1 where n is the number of messages in your Inbox. After you read
the filtered messages in their respective folders, when you come back,
Pine will be at message 0.

The work-around is to move the highlight bar to some visible location
by moving it UP, BEFORE you go to your other folders to read filtered
messages. You can also move it down after you come back to the Inbox.
Make sure you don't try to view any message or move the highlight bar
further out of bounds when it is in such an invalid state.

A fix was posted on comp.mail.pine by, Jeff Franklin, some time ago.
Here's the link on Deja.com for his patch:

http://x68.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=625482349&CONTEXT=966444090.1183055898&hitnum=7

Hope this helps,
Gopi.

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Steffen Kaiser wrote:

> my PC-Pine v4.21

My mistake. I didn't remember you were talking about PC-Pine. My
previous reply may not be valid. Well, it's still a known bug. I'm not
sure how you'd fix it :-(

The work-around is still valid though.

Gopi.

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Pine will do this automatically if you press ^R and put a distribution
list in the Lcc: field. If you want to do it manually, just put some text
followed by a colon in the To: field. Pine will then add a space and a
semicolon. That's what I did on this message, so it has a To: field that
reads "All you wonderful people: ;". I left pine-info in the Cc: field,
though, so as not to mess up anyone's filtering.

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, rivkah isseroff wrote:

> Hi-
> I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me? How
> to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line of the
> header, without disclosing the entire list membership.I vauggely recall
> something about ending the list name with a semicolon or a colon.
>
> thanks, rivkah isseroff
>
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, rivkah isseroff wrote:

> How to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line
> of the header, without disclosing the entire list membership.

Put them in the Bcc or Lcc header.

> I vauggely recall something about ending the list name with a
> semicolon or a colon.

After you do the above, the To: header may still need a sane value
like the Name of the list. This is typically some string followed by
": ;"

So a valid List name would be "Pine Discussion List: ;"

You can add this manually, or have Pine do it for you by setting your
string in the empty-header-message option in your Pine configuration.

Hope this helps,
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I guess that doesn't work for sending mail to listprocs. The list
processor removed my fancy To: field and put pine-info in the To: field.
Oh well. :)

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Pine will do this automatically if you press ^R and put a distribution
> list in the Lcc: field. If you want to do it manually, just put some text
> followed by a colon in the To: field. Pine will then add a space and a
> semicolon. That's what I did on this message, so it has a To: field that
> reads "All you wonderful people: ;". I left pine-info in the Cc: field,
> though, so as not to mess up anyone's filtering.
>
> --
> Scott Leibrand
> [email protected] (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. *
>
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, rivkah isseroff wrote:
>
> > Hi-
> > I once knew how to do this, but have forgotten. Can someone remind me? How
> > to list only the name of an address book list in the "to" line of the
> > header, without disclosing the entire list membership.I vauggely recall
> > something about ending the list name with a semicolon or a colon.
> >
> > thanks, rivkah isseroff
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see:
> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>

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Hello,

I use Pine 4.10 on Linux, and use procmail to filter mails to different
folders. For this purpose, I've also enabled incoming folders. But there's a
strange problem. For simplicity consider that I have 5 incoming folders named
1, 2 and so on, besides the inbox (i.e. /var/spool/mail/mohit). So the mails
that get filtered to these folders never appear when I type nfrm on logging
in, I can however press TAB while in the inbox to see if there are new mails
in these. However, this is not the problem. I can also write a small script
that would tell me where the new mails are. But the more annoying thing is
that if there is no new mail in the inbox, and there are new mails in any of
the folders 1 to 5, then I don't get a message at the login time telling me
that I have new mail. Similarly, finger information also doesn't reveal any
new mails in those folders. Still more annoying! I realize that these are
related things, but couldn't figure out a solution.

Any suggestions?

Regards,
Mohit

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Long and a bit off-topic. Apologies.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Mohit Agarwal wrote:

> the more annoying thing is that if there is no new mail in the
> inbox, and there are new mails in any of the folders 1 to 5, then
> I don't get a message at the login time telling me that I have new
> mail.

nfrm checks your spool file. If procmail has moved them away, it won't
see anything.

> Similarly, finger information also doesn't reveal any new mails in
> those folders. Still more annoying!

Same problem.

> I realize that these are related things, but couldn't figure out a
> solution.

The first thing that pops into my head is that you upgrade to Pine
4.21 and use its filtering. The tradeoff is that you may not have some
of the more advanced features that procmail has, available to you for
filtering. Also, being on a University campus, it may be difficult to
justify the upgrade to your SysAdmin.

The advantage of upgrading and using Pine's internal filter is that
all delivered messages stay in your INBOX until you open it (Inbox).
This means that nfrm, login and fingerd will see your messages
correctly(?).

Hope this helps.

Gopi.

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I don't use procmail, but I have a similar mail-filtering program that
filters things to Incoming folders. What I've found most useful it to run
a script that runs tail -f on the filter log file. That way I see what's
been delivered last, and get instant notification when new mail comes in.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Mohit Agarwal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I use Pine 4.10 on Linux, and use procmail to filter mails to different
> folders. For this purpose, I've also enabled incoming folders. But there's a
> strange problem. For simplicity consider that I have 5 incoming folders named
> 1, 2 and so on, besides the inbox (i.e. /var/spool/mail/mohit). So the mails
> that get filtered to these folders never appear when I type nfrm on logging
> in, I can however press TAB while in the inbox to see if there are new mails
> in these. However, this is not the problem. I can also write a small script
> that would tell me where the new mails are. But the more annoying thing is
> that if there is no new mail in the inbox, and there are new mails in any of
> the folders 1 to 5, then I don't get a message at the login time telling me
> that I have new mail. Similarly, finger information also doesn't reveal any
> new mails in those folders. Still more annoying! I realize that these are
> related things, but couldn't figure out a solution.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Regards,
> Mohit
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I am having some problems with the locking in /tmp. Some background - I
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I received the following question, does any one know the answer?

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Subject: Re: Pine authentication for Relayd

I have a question though: my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program
that allows only authenticated users to relay through their SMTP
servers) installed on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box,
but I can't send email from pine! It says "relay denied, check mail
first" (meaning that it needs me to authenticate to POP3 before
being able to relay to SMTP. Is there a way for pine to do that?

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Eduardo Chappa, at 11:21 -0700 on Fri, 18 Aug 2000, wrote:

> I have a question though: my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program
> that allows only authenticated users to relay through their SMTP
> servers) installed on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box,
> but I can't send email from pine! It says "relay denied, check mail
> first" (meaning that it needs me to authenticate to POP3 before being
> able to relay to SMTP. Is there a way for pine to do that?

This seems like a strange scenario, catered to the Windows/Mac world.
I'm curious if Pine on that box is configured to do the SMTP'ing itself to
the localhost, or does it call the mailer (e.g., sendmail) on the box?

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, [email protected] wrote:

> my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program that allows only
> authenticated users to relay through their SMTP servers) installed
> on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box, but I can't send
> email from pine!

Random guess: Try adding a /user=xyzzy at the end of the SMTP server
specification.

Question: If on a Linux box, why bother with SMTP servers anyway ? Why
not just let Pine pass the message off to sendmail and let it directly
send the message ?

Gopi.

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It's hard to answer the question without knowing the details of
how your ISP's relay checker works. I've heard of them, but
I'm not familiar with the procedure they follow to authenticate
a potential user.

Jacob Morzinski [email protected]

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> I received the following question, does any one know the answer?
[...]
> From: [email protected]
>
> I have a question though: my ISP has relayd (a relay checker program
> that allows only authenticated users to relay through their SMTP
> servers) installed on a Linux box. I am using Pine 4.21 on that box,
> but I can't send email from pine! It says "relay denied, check mail
> first" (meaning that it needs me to authenticate to POP3 before
> being able to relay to SMTP. Is there a way for pine to do that?

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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Dear all,

Just for your info, the problem was solved by not defining the SMTP
server. The message confirming this follows,

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:08:54 -0700
Subject: RE: Pine authentication for Relayd (fwd)

Aha! That was it! That solved the whole problem!
I didn't have an SMTP server set, so it was by default
trying to send through the default SMTP server. I guess
the order is:
1- Use SMTP server (if set)
2- Check if sendmail path is defined, if so, use sendmail
3- If both are not available, send through default SMTP from
the pine.conf file

When I set the sendmail path, everything works fine!
Thank you so much for your help.. You're a life-saver! :)
Firo

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Is it as designed that you can't send mail with pine while your imap mailbox
is unavailable?

This is with pine 4.20. I have mail copies saved in sent-mail on my
IMAP server.

Shouldn't it ask me if I want to send it without saving a copy? (Sort of like
how ATMs let you still get money when they've run out of receipt paper.)

I DO have an smtp server set up, that is still reachable.

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*** [email protected] wrote in the pine-info list about "can't send when
imap mailbox is unavailable" today:

:) Is it as designed that you can't send mail with pine while your imap
:) mailbox is unavailable?
:)
:) This is with pine 4.20. I have mail copies saved in sent-mail on my
:) IMAP server.
:)
:) Shouldn't it ask me if I want to send it without saving a copy?
:) (Sort of like how ATMs let you still get money when they've run out
:) of receipt paper.)

You can always change your fcc folder momentarily, press Ctrl-R in the
headers of the message and define another "Fcc" field, not in your imap
server. You can save them later to your sent-mail folder when the IMAP
server is up again.

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i'm trying to build a pine binary in linux that can connect to an imap
server via SSL.

i downloaded and used the SSL Patchkit for Pine 4.21.

followed the instructions and used the updated imap-4.7c toolkit.

when i run ./build slx, it cranks away and then exits out with the error:

'/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lRSAglue'

my pine source dir looks like:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 Aug 23 14:31 .bld.args
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2600 Aug 23 14:31 .bld.hlp
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2866 Aug 23 14:19 CPYRIGHT
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1390 Aug 23 14:19 README
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:34 bin/
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11690 Aug 23 14:19 build*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6039 Aug 23 14:19 build.cmd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 23 14:24 c-client ->
imap/c-client/
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 contrib/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 doc/
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 23 14:24 imap -> simap-4.7/
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 imap-4.7c/
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:19 imap.old/
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 23 14:24 imapd ->
imap/imapd/
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1551 Aug 23 14:19 makefile
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 23 14:24 mtest ->
imap/mtest/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:33 pico/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:34 pine/
dr-xr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 23 14:31 simap-4.7/
A

i have included the log from the compile.

tia.

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Unix *IS* user friendly...It's just selective about who it's friends are.

Linux 2.2.16-9 Uptime: 28 days, 23 hours 33 minutes 12 users

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On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, George McConnell wrote:

> '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lRSAglue'

Look for the RSA library in /usr/lib or wherever your compiler looks
for them. In this case, it is looking for a file called
"libRSAglue.a". You may have to download and build that first.

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Hello Everyone,
I was poking around the archives, but couldn't find the answer
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I would like to add a customized header called X-Uptime and have
it call uptime from the shell. I tried adding this:

X-Uptime: `/bin/uptime`

But when I look at the headers, it just prints /bin/uptime instead
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> > '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lRSAglue'
>
> Look for the RSA library in /usr/lib or wherever your compiler looks
> for them. In this case, it is looking for a file called
> "libRSAglue.a". You may have to download and build that first.

libRSA? hmmm. the README says openSSL needs to be installed, which it is
(in the default location of /usr/local/ssl).

i've searched my filesystem and don't have anything on my system even
close to this library.

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> Look for the RSA library in /usr/lib or wherever your compiler looks
> for them. In this case, it is looking for a file called
> "libRSAglue.a". You may have to download and build that first.

my apologies.

the libRSAglue.a library was in the openSSL-devel. i just installed
openSSL.

i installed the dev package and everything worked fine.

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I think that sending of return receipts is strictly controlled by system
administration, not by Pine; that is, you can turn it on, but whether or
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systems to which your mail is being sent. BTW, please consider the total
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What does this mean:
Problem detected: "Lock when already locked".
Pine Exiting.
Abort

I'm seeing it today while running pine (4.20) along with the OSX mail program.
They say they haven't changed their locking strategy. What else could've
changed to cause this to start happening?

I haven't figured out if I can get it to happen at will. They're both
using IMAP, and I do have reason to use multiple mail programs at once!

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Hello,
I'm trying to get pine v4.21 to initiate requests for return receipts
for my mail. I've added the return-receipt-to header to the
customize-hdrs field in .pinerc, but my mail clients are not returning
any mail. Any suggestions appreciated.
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I just realized that I am using pine 4.20 while my account at shellworld
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Duh! I know about that website! Momentary amnesia. Sorry.

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I'm trying to get pine v4.21 to initiate requests for return
receipts for my mail. I've added the return-receipt-to header to the
customize-hdrs field in .pinerc, but my mail clients are not returning
any mail. Any suggestions appreciated. Thank you. Dave.

The protocol isn't well defined yet. There are two headers that *may*
trigger remote mailers to do what you're asking:

Return-Receipt-To:
and Disposition-Notification-To:

In many cases, remote mailers are not receipt aware and you'll get nothing.

Ben

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 [email protected] wrote:

>
> What does this mean:
> Problem detected: "Lock when already locked".
> Pine Exiting.
> Abort
>
>
> I'm seeing it today while running pine (4.20) along with the OSX mail program.
> They say they haven't changed their locking strategy. What else could've
> changed to cause this to start happening?
>
> I haven't figured out if I can get it to happen at will. They're both
> using IMAP, and I do have reason to use multiple mail programs at once!

Hi,

This probably has nothing to do with running multiple mail programs on the
same mailbox simultaneously, but is likely a bug in pine. I'll try not to
go into too much detail, but it can happen when pine calls some sort of
c-client routine, and that routine calls a callback that pine has passed
into c-client, and that callback calls another c-client routine. Any
other information that you can send on your observations would probably be
helpful, especially if you can get this to happen on 4.21. Perhaps the
most helpful information would be a stack trace of the crash.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Yes, if I had that much room at my disposal.

The question I really have is: will the upgrade fix all of the problems
that I referred to in the original message?

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> I don't really wan't to ask the provider to upgrade if it won't fix
the problem.

If you use a shell account with your provider, you could install your own
copy of 4.21 and run it yourself.

Ben