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Hi *,

I'm using a procmail rule which saves my emails in different folders and
compress them "on the fly". I would like to read those folder directly
from Pine. Is there a patch somewhere to let Pine handle gzip'ed folders?

X

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> IMAP Telemetry recorder started at Mon Jul 03 18:59:36 2000
> 0000000b SEARCH ALL SINCE 1-Mar-2000
> 0000000b BAD Invalid date in Search command

I noticed that with pine 4.21 imap searching of dates with single digit
days of the month resulted in an imap error. Looking at the imap telemetry
I found that pine was putting two spaces between the 'since' and the date.
I checked the imap rfc. If I'm reading the bnf properly, this is wrong, as
all delimiters are single spaces. I couldn't find any reference to this in
the archives so I thought that I would ask about this here. Is this a
known bug?

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Hi,

Has anyone got Pine compiled against the OpenLDAP library?

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Ben Elliston <[email protected]> writes:

> Has anyone got Pine compiled against the OpenLDAP library?

Yes, we do that.

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From: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
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Hi Everyone,

=09Well, I've finally figured out what was causing this. I can only
imagine it's due to a bug. (Pine version 3.95)

=09To recap, the problem was that all my outgoing emails were stamped
with message ID @sd.znet.com, despite the fact that is not the name of my
machine, nor can that host be found in any of my pine, DNS or qmail
configs. -But- znet.com was mentioned in my resolv.conf......=20

=09search emcee.com znet.com

Deleting that took care of the problem. Of course, anything should be
allowed in that file without affecting Pine.

=09Now, for some reason, pine is picking up only the host name (mail)=20
and not the full name, mail.orbitmail.com--and it's fully written out in
all relevant files. Hmmmmm... I wonder if it's an issue between this
version of pine and the version of qmail I'm using (1.03). I had gone over
all my headers from mails previously sent and had found, within a period
of 7 minutes, the moment in November that the problem started. Now that I
think about it, some of those messages had been sent to qmail's mailing
list. I had apparently just upgraded to 1.03. Hmmm.

=09Anyway, thanks for everyone's help.

-Michael

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:

> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>=20
> > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:56:20 -0700 (MST)
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
> >=20
> > Am 16. Jun, 2000 schw=E4zte Michael Cooley so:
> >=20
> > >=20
> > > =09All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
> > > the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....
> > >=20
> > > X-Sender: [email protected]
> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> > >=20
> > > =09This exists on all accounts--anything sent out using pine. And I
> > > don't want it there. Undoubtedly, I did something to cause it but I w=
ill
> > > soon no longer be a zNET employee and need to remove it.
> > >=20
> > > =09I've checked and installed a clean copy of
> > > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf as well as each individual copy of .pinerc t=
o no
> > > avail. But, obviously, something, somewhere is picking it up.=20
> > >=20
> > > =09This is from .pine-debug* ....
> > >=20
> > > Fullname: "Michael Cooley"
> > > User domain name being used "newsummer.com"
> > > Local Domain name being used "znet.com"
> > > Host name being used "sd.znet.com"
> > > Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"newsummer.com"
> >=20
> > What's the output of "hostname"?
>=20
> mail:~# hostname
> mail
>=20
> # cat /etc/HOSTNAME
> mail.orbitmail.com
>=20
>=20
> > Is your smpt server set to not be znet?
>=20
> mail:~# grep smtp-server /usr/local/lib/pine.conf /home/*/.pinerc
> /usr/local/lib/pine.conf:smtp-server=3D
> /home/admin1/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/chat/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/emcee/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/events/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/galen/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/lonnie/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/mcooley/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/michael/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/orbit/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/pettit/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/sctc/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/spam/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/support/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> /home/znet/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
>=20
>=20
> > Are you explicity setting domain name and such in pine.conf? Do you hav=
e a
> > pine.fixed.conf?
>=20
> =09Nope....
>=20
> mail:/etc# find / -name pine.fixed.conf -print
> mail:/etc#
>=20
>=20
> > Make sure /usr/local/lib/pine.conf is the one being used
> > and that your not picking up pine.conf or pine.fixed.conf from somewher=
e
> > you're not suspecting.
>=20
> =09I've also searched the entire system for pine.conf and see none
> other than the one in /usr/local/lib.=20
> =20
> > Short term you might be able to throw and outgoing filter on it that wo=
uld
> > correct the domains on those headers.
>=20
> =09Can that be done with Pine? I'll take a look.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Michael
>=20
>=20
> > ciao,
> >=20
> > der.hans
> > --=20
> > # [email protected] home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > # Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans
> >=20
>=20
>=20

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From: Cheryl Homiak <[email protected]>
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There is a setting in Pine configuration that allows you to only show
domain name. Have you checked to make sure that is toggled to "no"?

Cheryl

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:

>=20
> Hi Everyone,
>=20
> =09Well, I've finally figured out what was causing this. I can only
> imagine it's due to a bug. (Pine version 3.95)
>=20
> =09To recap, the problem was that all my outgoing emails were stamped
> with message ID @sd.znet.com, despite the fact that is not the name of my
> machine, nor can that host be found in any of my pine, DNS or qmail
> configs. -But- znet.com was mentioned in my resolv.conf......=20
>=20
> =09search emcee.com znet.com
>=20
> Deleting that took care of the problem. Of course, anything should be
> allowed in that file without affecting Pine.
>=20
> =09Now, for some reason, pine is picking up only the host name (mail)=20
> and not the full name, mail.orbitmail.com--and it's fully written out in
> all relevant files. Hmmmmm... I wonder if it's an issue between this
> version of pine and the version of qmail I'm using (1.03). I had gone ove=
r
> all my headers from mails previously sent and had found, within a period
> of 7 minutes, the moment in November that the problem started. Now that I
> think about it, some of those messages had been sent to qmail's mailing
> list. I had apparently just upgraded to 1.03. Hmmm.
>=20
> =09Anyway, thanks for everyone's help.
>=20
> -Michael
>=20
> --
> Michael Cooley
> [email protected]
> http://newsummer.com/
>=20
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:
>=20
> > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> > To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
> >=20
> >=20
> > On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 [email protected] wrote:
> >=20
> > > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:56:20 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > To: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
> > >=20
> > > Am 16. Jun, 2000 schw=E4zte Michael Cooley so:
> > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > =09All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
> > > > the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....
> > > >=20
> > > > X-Sender: [email protected]
> > > > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> > > >=20
> > > > =09This exists on all accounts--anything sent out using pine. And I
> > > > don't want it there. Undoubtedly, I did something to cause it but I=
will
> > > > soon no longer be a zNET employee and need to remove it.
> > > >=20
> > > > =09I've checked and installed a clean copy of
> > > > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf as well as each individual copy of .pinerc=
to no
> > > > avail. But, obviously, something, somewhere is picking it up.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > =09This is from .pine-debug* ....
> > > >=20
> > > > Fullname: "Michael Cooley"
> > > > User domain name being used "newsummer.com"
> > > > Local Domain name being used "znet.com"
> > > > Host name being used "sd.znet.com"
> > > > Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"newsummer.com"
> > >=20
> > > What's the output of "hostname"?
> >=20
> > mail:~# hostname
> > mail
> >=20
> > # cat /etc/HOSTNAME
> > mail.orbitmail.com
> >=20
> >=20
> > > Is your smpt server set to not be znet?
> >=20
> > mail:~# grep smtp-server /usr/local/lib/pine.conf /home/*/.pinerc
> > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/admin1/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/chat/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/emcee/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/events/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/galen/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/lonnie/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/mcooley/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/michael/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/orbit/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/pettit/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/sctc/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/spam/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/support/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> > /home/znet/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
> >=20
> >=20
> > > Are you explicity setting domain name and such in pine.conf? Do you h=
ave a
> > > pine.fixed.conf?
> >=20
> > =09Nope....
> >=20
> > mail:/etc# find / -name pine.fixed.conf -print
> > mail:/etc#
> >=20
> >=20
> > > Make sure /usr/local/lib/pine.conf is the one being used
> > > and that your not picking up pine.conf or pine.fixed.conf from somewh=
ere
> > > you're not suspecting.
> >=20
> > =09I've also searched the entire system for pine.conf and see none
> > other than the one in /usr/local/lib.=20
> > =20
> > > Short term you might be able to throw and outgoing filter on it that =
would
> > > correct the domains on those headers.
> >=20
> > =09Can that be done with Pine? I'll take a look.
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> > Michael
> >=20
> >=20
> > > ciao,
> > >=20
> > > der.hans
> > > --=20
> > > # [email protected] home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > > # Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans
> > >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20

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I've just started to use LDAP with Pine. It's great!

I have also stumbled across a problem--if an LDAP directory is marked with
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Perhaps if the server is down, Pine should default to the normal behaviour
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Hi :)

I am using PC-pine ver 4.21. When I open my inbox on an imap mail server
it retrieves the headers, but it does not open the mail, shows the
header only and the message filed is empty. Every mail in the directory
is marked like it has an attachment. so when I try to open that
attachment I am getting error message: mail is malformed.

so I quit pine, opened Netscape and my mail seem to be fine and dandy
there.

I aslo would like to know if there is a possibility to put unsent
mesages in one folder and then send the while online.

regards

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On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Radek Kosciuk wrote:

> I aslo would like to know if there is a possibility to put unsent
> mesages in one folder and then send the while online.

You can press ^O to postpone a message, then resume composition when you
go online and send the message. If you're looking for a more elegant way
than that, you'll need to wait until support for disconnected operation is
added.

For more info, see Nancy McGough's Using Pine When You're Offline section
at http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#offline

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I just discovered that when sending as attachment an Excel file, pine
puts Application/MSWORD as Content-type. I checked that powerpoint files
are processed correctly.

In fact, pine seems only rely on the extension of the file name, and not
on the content: it sends tst.ppt as a powerpoint file, even though it
is actually a copy of the Excel file tst.xls.
I could not find what file type to give to convince pine to send an Excel
file as an Excel file. (trying .XLS doen't work either)

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There seems to be a bug in pc-pine v4.21. During its first startup pc-pine
creates a directory "$HOME\mail". If "$HOME" is not a valid directory (if
it doesn't exist), pc-pine fails and terminates. (It prints a detailed
error-message, though, so one can easily create the directory by hand.)

Robin Putzar

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From: Robert Larmon <[email protected]>
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Thanks Dan, this solved it. Thanks everyone for your help and
suggestions. (BTW, Paint Shop Pro 4.x doesn't open .jpe files)

Robert

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Subject: Re: PC-Pine 4.21, need help! Wierd problem with jpg files.

> I seem to have a wierd problem opening jpg files on my PC with my
> PC. I can open any graphic file with a different registered extension,
> except jpg. (I use Paint Shop Pro 4.x to view them) The odd thing is, I
> can open the file with any other mail client (e.g. Eudora 4.3.2) and Paint
> Shop Pro. Just not jpg and PC-Pine. Any hints? I'm really stumped, as
> the registry entries appear nearly identical for, say, bmp and jpg. The
> error I get is "The file type of this file is unknown" in PSP. Also, I
> can save the file and open it with no problem. It just doesn't want to
> open from PC-Pine.

I think I know what the problem is, but I don't know how to fix it. When
you tell PC-Pine to view a JPEG file, it saves the file in your temp
directory as a .jpe file, then tells Windows to start your viewer with the
jpe file on the command line. I'm not sure exactly why it uses this
extension. I'm guessing it is trying to use the .jpeg extension, but
because of Windows' weird treatment of long filenames, it gets mangled to
jpe.

Anyone have a solution?

Dan Fulbright

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Hello,

This is the background. In a PC running windows 98, I set up some time
ago Netscape to read mail for a person from a POP3 account in an ISP.
Netscape worked perfectly retrieving mail from this account.

I downloaded pc-pine 4.21 last weekend to open my mail from that
computer, which means a completely different account from the one using
netscape. I unzipped pine and the unzipped program was put in
C:\windows\unzipped\pm421xxx. When I opened pine for the first time I
received the message that "Login." was an invalid domain name (here Login
refers to the Login name of the POP3 account read by netscape4.7), so I
set up the correct domain and login name to my account, then when trying
to open my inbox, pine aborted with the message "This program has ...
illegal operation...", you know what I mean, Windows did not like Pine, so
I restarted pine and again same message (without any question). I edited
my pinerc file to change all configuration options but to no avail. Pine
aborted every time.

Finally I decided to delete pine , unzip it again and start from
scratch. The only change was that instead of opening my INBOX I instead
opened my configuration and entered the correct values from there, and
this time it worked.

My suggestion is to make the installation of Pine through a wizard so
that problems like this won't ocurr.

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That sounds like reasonable behavior to me. It doesn't have any problem
if $HOME is undefined (it just uses c:\mail). So if you've defined $HOME
to be a nonexistent directory, I'd say it's perfectly valid to terminate
instead of creating the directory. Of course, it might be nice if it
asked you if you wanted to create the directory, but that seems like more
of a feature request than a bug report. :)

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On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Robin Putzar wrote:

> There seems to be a bug in pc-pine v4.21. During its first startup pc-pine
> creates a directory "$HOME\mail". If "$HOME" is not a valid directory (if
> it doesn't exist), pc-pine fails and terminates. (It prints a detailed
> error-message, though, so one can easily create the directory by hand.)
>
> Robin Putzar
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I saw in the archive that a lot of people had the same problem as the one
I reported yesterday.

At last, I found the answer:

The formats of the mime.types file used by Pine and Netscape are incompatible.

Netscape uses something like:

#mime types added by Netscape Helper
type=application/pdf \
desc="Portable Document Format" \
exts="pdf"

I then tried:

type=application/excel \
desc="MS Excel" \
exts="xls,XLS,xlb"

That doesn't work (any .xls file is attached as APPLICATION/MSWORD)
By the way, the same file copied to .doc is attached as APPLICATION/msword
(note the case). Which gives some information on the way pine handles file
types.
If pine knows the file type, it relies only on it
If not, it looks at the first bytes of the file

I then tried with:

application/excel xls

and that works perfectly.

I hope this can help.

I didn't have time to look at the MIME RFCs, but I'd guess that it's pine
which is right.

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That sounds dangerous to me. The normal behavior would be to add the local
domain name. It seems like that would be unlikely to be the address you
want, and may even be a different person. Most likely it would be an
unknown user. Seems like it is better to make the user decide what they
want to do manually.

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On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> I've just started to use LDAP with Pine. It's great!
>
> I have also stumbled across a problem--if an LDAP directory is marked with
> the implict-lookup option and the server is down, it's impossible to leave
> the To: field in the composer. You're stuck!
>
> Perhaps if the server is down, Pine should default to the normal behaviour
> of doing no lookup?
>
> Ben

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That sounds dangerous to me. The normal behavior would be to add the local
domain name. It seems like that would be unlikely to be the address you
want, and may even be a different person. Most likely it would be an
unknown user. Seems like it is better to make the user decide what they
want to do manually.

Oh--I did not realise that if I used an address with an FQDN, that Pine
would allow me to proceed in the composer. In hindsight, I think this
behaviour is perfectly acceptable.

Cheers, Ben

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> > I noticed that with pine 4.21 imap searching of dates with single digit
> > days of the month resulted in an imap error. Looking at the imap telemetry
> > I found that pine was putting two spaces between the 'since' and the date.
> > I checked the imap rfc. If I'm reading the bnf properly, this is wrong, as
> > all delimiters are single spaces. I couldn't find any reference to this in
> > the archives so I thought that I would ask about this here. Is this a
> > known bug?
>
> Aha! I've been annoyed by this failure for a long time, but I had not
> figured out when it occurs. Will adding a leading zero work? [I
> don't have an IMAP server I can try at this point -- stuck with POP
> temporarily.]
> -- Steve

Well, if you add a leading zero in pine, pine replaces it with a space, so
that doesn't work. The leading zero should be acceptable to an imap
server, however.

Regards,
Thomas K Harris

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Ok, it's no bug.
Well, I was a bit confused the first time I started pc-pine. First thing
it did was telling me it will create a path \users\default\pine and then
it aborted, telling me that \users\default\pine did not exist. So maybe
the bug is in the dialog text and not the program code.

After all I had no idea how pine came to \users\default\pine, since not
$HOME was set, but $HOMEDRIVE and $HOMEPATH. (They are not mentioned in
the doc, afaik, but they seem to have the same effect.) This is a computer
I use at work, and I'm not the system administrator, so I don't know who
set that directory and why.

I don't have any other programs that use $HOME. So picking up your reply I
suggest the following change to pc-pine: If $HOME does not exist, pc-pine
tells the user that "$HOME is set to a non-existing path
('\user\default')." and asks him whether $HOME should be created or not.
(This seems to me a very reasonable behaviour. I like if software is nice
to me, so why not program it to be polite?)

On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> That sounds like reasonable behavior to me. It doesn't have any problem
> if $HOME is undefined (it just uses c:\mail). So if you've defined $HOME
> to be a nonexistent directory, I'd say it's perfectly valid to terminate
> instead of creating the directory. Of course, it might be nice if it
> asked you if you wanted to create the directory, but that seems like more
> of a feature request than a bug report. :)
>
> Scott Leibrand
>
> On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Robin Putzar wrote:
>
> > There seems to be a bug in pc-pine v4.21. During its first startup pc-pine
> > creates a directory "$HOME\mail". If "$HOME" is not a valid directory (if
> > it doesn't exist), pc-pine fails and terminates. (It prints a detailed
> > error-message, though, so one can easily create the directory by hand.)
> >
> > Robin Putzar

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hi!

can anyone point me towards documentation about translating pine menus and
help files etc into another language? i've groped around various pine web
sites and looked through docs in the source (pine 4.21), but haven't found
anything.

i've found some places in the source code where menu strings seem to be
defined, but was really hoping for some kind of comprehensive guide to
where it all is and the best way to go about it. i assume someone has done
this sort of thing before and i'd rather use their documentation on it
than spend lots of time groping around till i've found everything that
needs translating.

i'm not really a c programmer (used to be an assembler programmer years
ago and have done some perl, bash etc) but i think i can handle the
minimal programming involved in changing menus etc. i'm involved in a
(voluntary) project to set up free email services in east timor and would
like to be able to convert pine for use by people who speak only tetum
(the main language of e.timor).

i'm just at early stages with thinking about this and any help would be
appreciated.

thanks
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Why weren't the commands made consistent in the different places?

For example, when setting up a filter, A means add. (I was only playing with
the filters to see how it behaved to comment on an enhancement request for the
mail program for MacOSX -- pine actually works EXACTLY how I want the other one
to act -- when messages are 'moved' because of a filter, HIDE them from the
user in the original mailbox. I'm usually against hiding info from people,
but since I'm using a filter, I mean I don't want it in my face!)

Anyway.. when adding to the address book @ means add, and 'A' means Apply.

Can't/shouldn't the common commands be the same across all areas?

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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Thomas K Harris wrote:

> > > I noticed that with pine 4.21 imap searching of dates with single digit
> > > days of the month resulted in an imap error. Looking at the imap telemetry
> > > I found that pine was putting two spaces between the 'since' and the date.
> > > I checked the imap rfc. If I'm reading the bnf properly, this is wrong, as
> > > all delimiters are single spaces. I couldn't find any reference to this in
> > > the archives so I thought that I would ask about this here. Is this a
> > > known bug?
> >
> > Aha! I've been annoyed by this failure for a long time, but I had not
> > figured out when it occurs. Will adding a leading zero work? [I
> > don't have an IMAP server I can try at this point -- stuck with POP
> > temporarily.]
> > -- Steve
>
> Well, if you add a leading zero in pine, pine replaces it with a space, so
> that doesn't work. The leading zero should be acceptable to an imap
> server, however.

I posted a patch for this to this mailing list (and comp.mail.pine or
whatever the newsgroup is called) a while back.

I've had no feedback about it, however; presumably the patches get
folded into newer versions of c-client?

jan

PS. The fix was in line 2339 of imap/src/c-client/imap4r1.c: change the
format string from
" %s %2d-%s-%d"
to
" %s %d-%s-%d"

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I've noticed that when using the WhereIs command (W), searching only finds
hits that actually displayed on the terminal. This is of disastrous
consequences when doing things like searching for subjects of messages in
the Message Index mode where the subject trails off the screen; when this
happens, any data that is off the screen is uncapable of being a 'hit'.

Has this issue been addressed? (I searched the archives a bit but it's
incapable of narrowing down responses yet).

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A much better tactic for searching in the message index is to use the ;
command to select messages. So ";ts" without quotes would search for text
in the subject field of all your messages.

Will that workaround do what you want?

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

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> happens, any data that is off the screen is uncapable of being a 'hit'.
>
> Has this issue been addressed? (I searched the archives a bit but it's
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Hi,

I see there is an option to permit background sending (with the ^R key in
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Scott Leibrand, at 15:12 -0700 on Sun, 9 Jul 2000, wrote:

> A much better tactic for searching in the message index is to use the ;
> command to select messages. So ";ts" without quotes would search for text
> in the subject field of all your messages.
>
> Will that workaround do what you want?

It is a workaround, yes, but I don't feel it addresses the issue, really.
The WhereIs functionality is great in that it is applicable in almost any
mode of Pine. To suddenly have to "switch mindsets" because one is in a
different Pine mode where stuff could be cutoff seem kind of silly to me.

Furthermore, consider the user confusion that could arise when a WhereIs
works for a while, and then the user resizes the terminal to a small
value, the WhereIs no longer produces the desired hits. All that has
changed is the terminal size, but suddenly the behaviour of the program
has been significantly altered; this is not good UI engineering.

I should also note missing hits because they aren't in the terminal not
only applies to searching for Subjects, but to anything else that can get
cut-off, such as the "From" field of the Message Index screen.

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It'd be great if there was a Reply-All hot key that automatically answered
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On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, will kemp wrote:
> can anyone point me towards documentation about translating pine menus and
> help files etc into another language? i've groped around various pine web
[...]
> i'm not really a c programmer (used to be an assembler programmer years
> ago and have done some perl, bash etc) but i think i can handle the
> minimal programming involved in changing menus etc. i'm involved in a

The text strings are not centralized in any location.
Many of them are in pine.h, but other files have spot code that
define or use new bits of text.

A few places to get you started (I've made no attempt to find everything):
pine/pine.h, near line 1883, starts to define text strings
pine/addrbook.c, near line 2683, hardcodes text strings
pine/mailview.c, near line 162, begins to define more text strings

In general, I believe that you'll have to examine each and every
file of the pine (and pico, and perhaps even imap/c-client as well)
source, and change the strings where you find them.

-Jacob Morzinski

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Hello,

I am getting the following error in pine when I try to access an IMAP
accounts mail.

[Not an address: ) NIL NIL
"<20000710184224.AAJ4917.kx@[209.220.123.69]>")BODY[HEADER.FIELDS (PA]

This happens to every piece of mail on every account on this server. This
is an InterMail_Kx mail system. Does anyone have any ideas of what could be
wrong and how to fix it? Is it something with pine? Do you think I need to
change something in InterMail? Are these two completely uncompatible
because of header differences?

Thank you,

Jonathan
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Yes, of course... and I assure you that the Pine team tries hard for
consistency. The problem comes when two commands with the same letter get
extended over time so that they work in more contexts than when originally
conceived. When Apply was extended to work in the address book, there was
an obvious conflict with Add. There were long debates over which of the
two should get to keep the "A"... but I won't bore you with those
details.

-teg

On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> Why weren't the commands made consistent in the different places?
>
> For example, when setting up a filter, A means add. (I was only playing with
> the filters to see how it behaved to comment on an enhancement request for the
> mail program for MacOSX -- pine actually works EXACTLY how I want the other one
> to act -- when messages are 'moved' because of a filter, HIDE them from the
> user in the original mailbox. I'm usually against hiding info from people,
> but since I'm using a filter, I mean I don't want it in my face!)
>
> Anyway.. when adding to the address book @ means add, and 'A' means Apply.
>
> Can't/shouldn't the common commands be the same across all areas?
>
>

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Jan Grant wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Thomas K Harris wrote:
>
> > > > I noticed that with pine 4.21 imap searching of dates with single digit
> > > > days of the month resulted in an imap error. Looking at the imap telemetry
> > > > I found that pine was putting two spaces between the 'since' and the date.
> > > > I checked the imap rfc. If I'm reading the bnf properly, this is wrong, as
> > > > all delimiters are single spaces. I couldn't find any reference to this in
> > > > the archives so I thought that I would ask about this here. Is this a
> > > > known bug?
> > >
> > > Aha! I've been annoyed by this failure for a long time, but I had not
> > > figured out when it occurs. Will adding a leading zero work? [I
> > > don't have an IMAP server I can try at this point -- stuck with POP
> > > temporarily.]
> > > -- Steve
> >
> > Well, if you add a leading zero in pine, pine replaces it with a space, so
> > that doesn't work. The leading zero should be acceptable to an imap
> > server, however.
>
> I posted a patch for this to this mailing list (and comp.mail.pine or
> whatever the newsgroup is called) a while back.
>
> I've had no feedback about it, however; presumably the patches get
> folded into newer versions of c-client?
>
> jan
>
> PS. The fix was in line 2339 of imap/src/c-client/imap4r1.c: change the
> format string from
> " %s %2d-%s-%d"
> to
> " %s %d-%s-%d"
>

Thanks, Jan.

I'm using pc-pine, which, to my suprise, is not open sourced; so I had to
edit the binary. I couldn't just remove the 2 without screwing up the
linking, but replacing it with a 1 worked.

Regards,
Thomas

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I often use multiple mailers to access one mailbox (with IMAP, obviously).
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hi,

I'm using Pine and pgp4pine (http://pgp4pine.flatline.de/) to integrate
PGP. This has worked perfectly for quite a while. I have a display filter
to catch messages that have lines beginning with "-----BEGIN PGP".

However, there is a problem specific to mutt users. Mutt uses the RFC
mandated multi-part MIME encoding[1] for PGP encrypted messages, which is
a pain cause:

a) I don't see how I can teach Pine to use pgp4pine to display encrypted
messages when it sees the appropriate MIME header.

b) even if i could do the above, the RFC seems broken to me, as it
specifies that the encrypted message will be of type:

Content-Type: application/octet-stream

However, application/octet-stream (to my mind) could be anything, it
doesn't neccessarily have to be PGP encrypted, ie am i expected to put
application/octet-stream pgp4pine in my mailcap?

I guess the solution is for Pine to support the Multipart MIME security
and PGP/MIME standards. Is this planned for the next pine release?

regards,

Paul Jakma.
ITG Group Card Services Sys Admin.

[1]. RFC1847 and RFC2015.
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Hi to all members of this list.

In our university we give support for PINE 4.05 to the users, the users
have PINE in all university.

Recently we have some problems with the conection to mail server (SUN),
the users work with PINE online but the conection to server broken in the
moment which the users are owrking with PINE for example writing a mail.
This is a problem for our networking administration and for our users.

I hope somebody had a same similar problem and I will apreciate the
solution.

If some give a comment about this problem, thanks in advance.
Greetings.

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How do you get Pine to recognize a uuencoded file as an attachment.

We frequently uuencode text files so they are received as attachements
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Is there a way to uudecode the text then send it into vi (or pico) when
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Hi,

I'm using Pine and pgp4pine (http://pgp4pine.flatline.de/) to integrate
PGP. This has worked perfectly for quite a while. I have a display filter
to catch messages that have lines beginning with "-----BEGIN PGP".

The problem I have is that GNU GPG uses the same -----BEGIN PGP string to
start signed and encrypted messages. My PGP cannot deal with these, so I
get empty text out of the pgp program.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't just install GPG? Is it 100% backward
compatible with existing PGP keyrings?

Ben

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Ben Elliston, at 09:48 +1000 on Thu, 13 Jul 2000, wrote:

> The problem I have is that GNU GPG uses the same -----BEGIN PGP string to
> start signed and encrypted messages. My PGP cannot deal with these, so I
> get empty text out of the pgp program.

Is this a Pine filter issue for you, or an actual OpenPGP implementation
issue?

> Is there any reason why I shouldn't just install GPG? Is it 100% backward
> compatible with existing PGP keyrings?

GnuPG is an OpenPGP implementation (e.g., it obeys RFC 2440). To support
PGP 2.x exported secret keys you need to get the separate RSA and IDEA
modules. PGP 5.x-generated and exported keys should be no problem.

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Hi Frank,

> The problem I have is that GNU GPG uses the same -----BEGIN PGP string to
> start signed and encrypted messages. My PGP cannot deal with these, so I
> get empty text out of the pgp program.

Is this a Pine filter issue for you, or an actual OpenPGP implementation
issue?

Ultimately, it's an issue with my filtering script. If it were smart
enough, it could just copy the input to the output and I would get no
signature verification at all.

Thanks for the info on GPG.

Ben

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On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> The problem I have is that GNU GPG uses the same -----BEGIN PGP string to
> start signed and encrypted messages. My PGP cannot deal with these, so I
> get empty text out of the pgp program.
>
> Is there any reason why I shouldn't just install GPG? Is it 100% backward
> compatible with existing PGP keyrings?
>

i had the exact same problem. the upgrade to gpg was troublefree, it can
use your old keyrings.

now if only Pine could apply display filters to MIME types... (mutt is
making my life a misery, well wrt to pgp anyway)

> Ben
>
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Ben Elliston, at 17:26 +1000 on Thu, 13 Jul 2000, wrote:

> Ultimately, it's an issue with my filtering script. If it were smart
> enough, it could just copy the input to the output and I would get no
> signature verification at all.

Processsing signed/encrypted messages is not a trivial task; one should
take into account such things as unsigned mailing list footers, multiple
signed blocks, key imports, etc. The filter pgpenvelope handles this all
for you 'smartly' :)

- --
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> signed blocks, key imports, etc. The filter pgpenvelope handles this all
> for you 'smartly' :)
>

Does it handle PGP/MIME or SMIME? (that being the point of this
thread.)

> --
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> Does it handle PGP/MIME or SMIME? (that being the point of this
> thread.)

Not yet :\ I expect I'll be able to handle PGP/MIME signed messages
through procmail, though (pgpenvelope has procmail stuff too).

I just thought of a way I'll be able to get it to handle PGP/MIME
(something I had sortof given up on), using Pine's Pipe '|' command!

SMIME will definitely not be supported :P

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I've noticed that each time one postpones composing message, and then
comes back to composing it, a newline is appended to the bottom the
message. Wild, eh?

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*** Frank Tobin wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I've noticed that each time one postpones composing message, and then
:) comes back to composing it, a newline is appended to the bottom the
:) message. Wild, eh?

Frank,

Yep you are right, actually every time you edit the same file with Pico
this will happen. It's probably one of those bugs that will take a long
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Hy,
What do i have to do at pine to view the color:

^[[1;6;36m It's nice to be important ^[[m
^[[1;6;32m But is more important to be nice ^[[m

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*** Seby wrote in the pine-info list on Jul 15, 2000:

:) What do i have to do at pine to view the color:
:)
:) ^[[1;6;36m It's nice to be important ^[[m
:) ^[[1;6;32m But is more important to be nice ^[[m

Seby,

Go into your configuration (press M S C) and select
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Hi,

On my BSDI/UNIX box pine is configured to pull and read mail right out of
/var/mail/username

on my SuSE linux box pine is somehow configured that it first reads all of
the mail from /var/spool/mail/username and copies those messages to a file
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I set the BSDI box up, but the linux box was setup, without going into
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Thanks for your help.

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*** Andy Malato wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) on my SuSE linux box pine is somehow configured that it first reads all of
:) the mail from /var/spool/mail/username and copies those messages to a file
:) in my home directory called mbox.
:)
:) I set the BSDI box up, but the linux box was setup, without going into
:) detail as to the messy way the linux box was setup, how can I change the
:) configuration to have mail remain in /var/spool/mail/username on the SuSE
:) linux machine?

Andy,

Delete the file mbox, but of course save anything in there before you
do this. Pine won't create this file, but if the file exists, messages
from your INBOX, will be copied to this file, which will act as your
INBOX.

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Thanks, worked like a charm.

I belive that the mbox file was probably created by the unix mail program,
strange, cause it doesn't do so on my other machine.

thanks again for your help.

---Andy

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

> *** Andy Malato wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) on my SuSE linux box pine is somehow configured that it first reads all of
> :) the mail from /var/spool/mail/username and copies those messages to a file
> :) in my home directory called mbox.
> :)
> :) I set the BSDI box up, but the linux box was setup, without going into
> :) detail as to the messy way the linux box was setup, how can I change the
> :) configuration to have mail remain in /var/spool/mail/username on the SuSE
> :) linux machine?
>
> Andy,
>
> Delete the file mbox, but of course save anything in there before you
> do this. Pine won't create this file, but if the file exists, messages
> from your INBOX, will be copied to this file, which will act as your
> INBOX.
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>
>

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From: Annie Xie <axie@weedev1>
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Subject: Re: pine error message (fwd)

Any good idea for this issue?

Thanks!
Annie

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Annie Xie <axie@weedev1>
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Subject: Re: pine error message

Hi:

Thanks for the response.

They have problem to load the mail when they are using other mail
interfaces like netscape. The loading took long time and eventurally died
with "Time out".

Seems like it is not only the pine's problem. Is it?

Thanks!
Annie

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Neil W Rickert wrote:

> Annie Xie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >We have couple of users are having problem when they are using pine.
>
> >When start pine, there is messages showed as:
>
> > message "#" UID "#" less than "#"
>
> >When quit from pine, there is messages showed as:
>
> >Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
> >Pine Exiting.
> >Abort
>
> >Do you have any idea this is error from sendmail or from pine.
>
> It sounds like a pine problem. Or at least I don't recognize that
> as a sendmail error message.
>
> Have these users delete their '.pinerc' file, and see if that fixes
> the problem. A new '.pinerc' will be created when they next use
> pine. There might be something broken in the configuration of these
> users.
>
> -NWR
>
>

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*** Annie Xie wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) > >When start pine, there is messages showed as:
:) >
:) > > message "#" UID "#" less than "#"
:) >
:) > >When quit from pine, there is messages showed as:
:) >
:) > >Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
:) > >Pine Exiting.
:) > >Abort
:) >
:) > >Do you have any idea this is error from sendmail or from pine.

Annie,

If you "cat" the mailbox, you'll see at the top a message like this:

>From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Jul 17 12:52:23 2000
Date: 17 Jul 2000 12:52:23 -0700
From: Mail System Internal Data <[email protected]>
Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
X-IMAP: 0963863401 0000016827
Status: RO

The important number is the one "0000016827", this is a UID number. This
number is the number of messages that have arrived to the folder since
this header was created. All messages must have a "X-UID" IMAP header
indicating a number which must be smaller or equal than this one, which is
the order on which the message was saved in there, so the first message
ever saved there should have X-UID: 1, and the last one should have X-UID:
16827. All messages preserve their UID, independently of deletions of
messages in the folder. What must have happened is that the IMAP server
found two messages one after the other that do not respect the order of
UIDs, so for example message with X-UID: 2, may have been found before the
message with X-UID: 1.

If you don't care about keeping this statistic, and the last time the
folder was opened, I would delete this header and all the information at
the top of the message. This header will be recreated to initial values
the next time the folder be opened and no damage will be caused (all
messages will have a new UID consistent with the new initial value).

You can try this in any of your mail/ folders to see how it works (or
create one and see how this works).

Now I do not know why Pine aborts, I tried repeating this experience but
pine did not abort. Maybe you could send more information on that to try
to determine why Pine is aborting.

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like what?

Thanks!
Annie

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

> *** Annie Xie wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) > >When start pine, there is messages showed as:
> :) >
> :) > > message "#" UID "#" less than "#"
> :) >
> :) > >When quit from pine, there is messages showed as:
> :) >
> :) > >Problem detected: "header size inconsistant".
> :) > >Pine Exiting.
> :) > >Abort
> :) >
> :) > >Do you have any idea this is error from sendmail or from pine.
>
> Annie,
>
> If you "cat" the mailbox, you'll see at the top a message like this:
>

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Hi,

I use 'sz' as my 'download-command' option. This works fine for
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there anyway I can change this behavior by modifying the
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that doesn't require upgrading to a new version of Pine because I don't
have control over the server I'm using.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Sometimes, but not very often, I'd like to be able to set a Reply-To:
header. Until now, I've had to add a custom header line in the Pine setup
screen, compose my message, and then undo it. Using roles is too painful --
I would answer "no" when composing 99% of my messages.

Is it possible to just dynamically add a Reply-To: line for the dozen or so
messages I might write per month?

Ben

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Just add Reply-To: in Main, Setup, Config under customized-hdrs. For
messages you don't do anything to, it won't even show up, since it's
blank. But for ones that need a Reply-To:, you can just do ^R to show
full headers, and type in the appropriate value.

Is that what you wanted?
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> Sometimes, but not very often, I'd like to be able to set a Reply-To:
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> screen, compose my message, and then undo it. Using roles is too painful --
> I would answer "no" when composing 99% of my messages.
>
> Is it possible to just dynamically add a Reply-To: line for the dozen or so
> messages I might write per month?
>
> Ben
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I'm seeing an odd behavior from PC-Pine (4.21). I'm trying to reply to
a message, the FROM address of which is

From: "L-Soft list server at POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU (1.8d)"
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(all on one line, of course). The whole thing gets pasted into the TO
address. I delete the extra junk, so that there's only the actual
address, but when I move the cursor off the address line, what I've
deleted gets put back.

I don't know if this is a bug, or an intentional behavior, but I'd sure
like it to stop!

FTM, why is all the extra junk being put in there in the first place?
I've noticed similar behavior quite often, where the FROM address shown
will be a name or something, instead of (or in addition to) an actual
address.

James

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email protected]>
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I can't duplicate the behavior with this address (using Unix Pine), but
that sounds like what happens when you enter an address that's in your
address book. So I'd guess it must be happening because you have that
entry in your address book. Try deleting all that "extra junk" from the
entry in your address book, and see if it still does it.

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On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, James wrote:

> I'm seeing an odd behavior from PC-Pine (4.21). I'm trying to reply to
> a message, the FROM address of which is
>
> From: "L-Soft list server at POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU (1.8d)"
> <[email protected]>
>
> (all on one line, of course). The whole thing gets pasted into the TO
> address. I delete the extra junk, so that there's only the actual
> address, but when I move the cursor off the address line, what I've
> deleted gets put back.
>
> I don't know if this is a bug, or an intentional behavior, but I'd sure
> like it to stop!
>
> FTM, why is all the extra junk being put in there in the first place?
> I've noticed similar behavior quite often, where the FROM address shown
> will be a name or something, instead of (or in addition to) an actual
> address.
>
> James
>
>
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From: "Eduardo Chappa L." <[email protected]>
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*** James wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I'm seeing an odd behavior from PC-Pine (4.21). I'm trying to reply to
:) a message, the FROM address of which is
:)
:) From: "L-Soft list server at POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU (1.8d)"
:) <[email protected]>
:)
:) (all on one line, of course). The whole thing gets pasted into the TO
:) address. I delete the extra junk, so that there's only the actual
:) address, but when I move the cursor off the address line, what I've
:) deleted gets put back.

James,

The explanation is simple, the address you write in this field is found
in either your local or global addressbook. The only thing you can do is
to add this address to your local addressbook and leave the "Fullname"
field empty (also just leave only the address in the address field).

:) FTM, why is all the extra junk being put in there in the first place?
:) I've noticed similar behavior quite often, where the FROM address shown
:) will be a name or something, instead of (or in addition to) an actual
:) address.

In Pine there is the following distinction, the From: of the message and
the Address of the sender. The from field usually has the structure:

From: "Personal Name" <[email protected]>

When "Personal Name" is present this is usually called the From, and the
other part the address. If there is no personal name, then From and
address are the same, but they are usually different.

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I'm running the following within my url-viewers line
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to test whether netscape is running or not, if it is, then raise the
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Any ideas with the header problem, Eduardo?

Or anyone else know why I get this error when I try to open mail
created/sent by InterMail Kx through pine?

[Not an address: ) NIL NIL "<[email protected]>")
BODY[HEADER.FIELDS (PATH]

It continues, but that is the most of the error I can see.

The full header in pine seems to be:

Return-Path: <[email protected]>
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the header seems identical when viewed within the webedge webmail interface
to InterMail.

Any ideas?

Jonathan

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Any ideas with the header problem, Eduardo?

Or does anyone else know why I get this error when I try to open mail
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[Not an address: ) NIL NIL "<[email protected]>")
BODY[HEADER.FIELDS (PATH]

It continues, but that is the most of the error I can see.

The full header in pine seems to be:

Return-Path: <[email protected]>
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the header seems identical when viewed within the webedge webmail interface
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Any ideas?

Jonathan

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I discovered a bug in imap4r1.c. Under some circumstances, imap_open won't
generate a valid stream mailbox name. Specifically, if the login process
doesn't use anonymous login or generate a user name. This is possible for
some add-on authenticator to do.

The end result is that no } is written to the end of the host name, so you
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{mymail.here.com/imapINBOX

The fix is to add a completion as an else case:
if (stream->anonymous) strcat (tmp,"/anonymous}");
else { /* record user name */
if (!LOCAL->user && usr[0]) LOCAL->user = cpystr (usr);
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I know this question has been asked before. But I didn't need to answer
until now. So..can you use pine in the command line, non-interactively,
to send attachments? If so how?

jz

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> I know this question has been asked before. But I didn't need to answer
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> to send attachments? If so how?

How about plain 'mail' or 'mh'. Either of those two programs might be
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Is there any way in pine can browse the e-mail address (or user name) in
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Le 21/07/00, =E0 08:23, Jie J Zhang a =E9crit :

|I know this question has been asked before. But I didn't need to answer
|until now. So..can you use pine in the command line, non-interactively,=
=20
|to send attachments? If so how?

I don't know... I've another question relative to this one.

pine -attachlist is use to send with attachements...
but the mime type is omitted ! (if you attach some jpg files, they are fro=
m
"Application" type.

xavier

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Hello all,

Do any of you running pine 4.21 on solaris 7, 64 bit mode, with kerberos
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Any help is highly preciated!

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Jie J Zhang wrote:

> I know this question has been asked before. But I didn't need to answer
> until now. So..can you use pine in the command line, non-interactively,
> to send attachments? If so how?

Not without Eduardo's patch...

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> Is there any way in pine can browse the e-mail address (or user name) in
> the system like zmail?

I don't know if anyone else is familiar with zmail, but I'm not. So you
might need to describe exactly what zmail does that you'd like to do
with Pine...

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Hello, All, :)

Now that the source is closed, I present a plea for all of us poor
PC-Pine users who live behind firewalls and with constant net
congestion:

Could PC-Pine *please* support background IMAP operations, such as
checking mail? And perhaps, in some rhapsodic future, provide
background SMTP operations as well??

Win32 contains all of the architecture to make this work (we're not in
DOS anymore, Toto), but PC-Pine still seems to be struggling to shrug
off its single-tasking legacy. I find it frustrating to be poking
around in the index only to have the interface freeze for many tens of
seconds while the IMAP server is queried. Ditto for having the
interface freeze while using the built in PICO editor. Background
operations would open up a whole plethora of user experience
enhancements, IMHO, that would make remote use so much more enjoyable.

Not to lose sight of the forest for the trees, thank you for providing
an already extremely useful tool with which I interact for hours each
day - thank you for IMAP and Pine! Any glimmer, though, that the future
will be brighter would be greatly appreciated (well, a release date
wouldn't hurt, either). :)

---Jason Tiller
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zmail has a function "address browser" which will return the user name
(e-mail address) on this system when you give a certain pattern. I think
it greps the pattern from /etc/passwd and return the user name matches
this pattern.

We are no longer using zmail but the users really "miss" this function.

Very appreciate!
Annie

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Annie Xie wrote:
>
> > Is there any way in pine can browse the e-mail address (or user name) in
> > the system like zmail?
>
> I don't know if anyone else is familiar with zmail, but I'm not. So you
> might need to describe exactly what zmail does that you'd like to do
> with Pine...
>
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Is it possible to export the email folder in pine, so it can be imported in
Exchange
WITHOUT losing the date received field? We had a user that has moved to
another
dept and would like to take their emails with them and the new dept isn't
running
on pine.

Otherwise, I'd just have them forward the emails to their new address, but
then
the received date is lost and makes it hard to reference old emails by date.

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, George Gallen wrote:

> Otherwise, I'd just have them forward the emails to their new address,
> but then the received date is lost and makes it hard to reference old
> emails by date.

would using the Bounce command to send on the emails do the trick?

--paulj

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If you know the username, Pine will look it up in the passwd file, unless
you have quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file set. But if you want to be able
to do lookup based on name, the easiest way is to create a global address
book and reference it in pine.conf.

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Annie Xie wrote:

>
> zmail has a function "address browser" which will return the user name
> (e-mail address) on this system when you give a certain pattern. I think
> it greps the pattern from /etc/passwd and return the user name matches
> this pattern.
>
> We are no longer using zmail but the users really "miss" this function.
>
> Very appreciate!
> Annie
>
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Annie Xie wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any way in pine can browse the e-mail address (or user name) in
> > > the system like zmail?
> >
> > I don't know if anyone else is familiar with zmail, but I'm not. So you
> > might need to describe exactly what zmail does that you'd like to do
> > with Pine...
> >
> > --
> > Scott Leibrand
> > [email protected] (Yes, that is a valid address.)
> > http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
> > * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. *
> > * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. *
> >
> >
>
>

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I don't think so, since the exchange server would still give it a
received date of when it received it, which could be months after
the original date, and they would all have the same received date,
skewing their order, especially in threaded discussions.

The only method I can think of to keep their order, is when sending
them to the exchange server, to start with the first and send one
email every minute, so at least they would be in the same order.

George

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Jakma [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 12:05 PM
>To: Pine Discussion Forum
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>
>
>On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, George Gallen wrote:
>
>> Otherwise, I'd just have them forward the emails to their
>new address,
>> but then the received date is lost and makes it hard to reference old
>> emails by date.
>
>would using the Bounce command to send on the emails do the trick?
>
>--paulj
>

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I think this is just as important in Unix pine. Unix is (and always has
been, AFAIK) a multi-tasking OS, but Pine doesn't make much use of that.
I would love to see all IMAP operations operate in the background,
especially automatic checks of Incoming mail folders. Is this on the
official to-do-someday list?

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Jason Tiller wrote:

> Hello, All, :)
>
> Now that the source is closed, I present a plea for all of us poor
> PC-Pine users who live behind firewalls and with constant net
> congestion:
>
> Could PC-Pine *please* support background IMAP operations, such as
> checking mail? And perhaps, in some rhapsodic future, provide
> background SMTP operations as well??
>
> Win32 contains all of the architecture to make this work (we're not in
> DOS anymore, Toto), but PC-Pine still seems to be struggling to shrug
> off its single-tasking legacy. I find it frustrating to be poking
> around in the index only to have the interface freeze for many tens of
> seconds while the IMAP server is queried. Ditto for having the
> interface freeze while using the built in PICO editor. Background
> operations would open up a whole plethora of user experience
> enhancements, IMHO, that would make remote use so much more enjoyable.
>
> Not to lose sight of the forest for the trees, thank you for providing
> an already extremely useful tool with which I interact for hours each
> day - thank you for IMAP and Pine! Any glimmer, though, that the future
> will be brighter would be greatly appreciated (well, a release date
> wouldn't hurt, either). :)
>
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We're using a migration program obtained from Microsoft as an unsupported
utility. I think it's on either the Exchange resource kit or the Back
Office kit.

Program is furnished as C-source, and required some massaging to work on
our system (Ultrix). It migrates folders and the inbox, and puts the
address book into a form that can be imported by Exchange.

Seems to be fairly complete. The address book migration only works with
single-level addresses (if an external address is included in another
list, the reference fails). It chokes and dumps core on some non-standard
emails, such as those containing unencoded Japanese text or signatures,
but the problem doesn't occur frequently enough to want to spend more time
fixing it. YMMV.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, George Gallen wrote:

> Is it possible to export the email folder in pine, so it can be imported in
> Exchange
> WITHOUT losing the date received field? We had a user that has moved to
> another
> dept and would like to take their emails with them and the new dept isn't
> running
> on pine.
>
> Otherwise, I'd just have them forward the emails to their new address, but
> then
> the received date is lost and makes it hard to reference old emails by date.
>
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> Is it possible to export the email folder in pine, so it can be
> imported in Exchange WITHOUT losing the date received field? We had a
> user that has moved to another dept and would like to take their
> emails with them and the new dept isn't running on pine.
>
> Otherwise, I'd just have them forward the emails to their new address,
> but then the received date is lost and makes it hard to reference old
> emails by date.

If your Exchange server allows IMAP (ours does), you can just create the
folders on the Exchange server using IMAP, then open up each folder and
save the messages to the newly created folers.

Dan Fulbright

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> Is there any way in pine can browse the e-mail address (or user
> name) in the system like zmail?

I don't know if anyone else is familiar with zmail, but I'm not. So you
might need to describe exactly what zmail does that you'd like to do
with Pine...

Sounds like they're after some kind of directory service.

Incidentally, is there a way of creating an address book that lists the
current users on a Unix system?

Ben

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> Incidentally, is there a way of creating an address book that lists the
> current users on a Unix system?

That's pretty easy. Just take the /etc/passwd file and extract the data
you want, then output it in address book format. I can do it in MS Excel,
so it must be really simple in Perl. :)

Only problem with that is the only information you can consistently get is
username and whaterver they've provided as their full name.

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I'm trying to change the location & name of the global rc files ( trying to
run two versions of pine on the same system, one for local mail and one for
imap connections)from /usr/local/lib/pine.conf & pine.conf.fixed to
/usr/local/lib/ipine/pine.conf & pine.conf.fixed. I've added the following
lines to pine/makefile.xxx:

SYSTEM_PINERC= /usr/local/lib/ipine/pine.conf
SYSTEM_PINERC_FIXED= /usr/local/lib/ipine/pine.conf.fixed

Do I need to pass any options to ./build xxx? I've compiled twice and Pine
isn't reading these rc files in the alternate location. Please correct my
syntax.

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That's pretty easy. Just take the /etc/passwd file and extract the
data you want, then output it in address book format. I can do it in
MS Excel, so it must be really simple in Perl. :)

Only problem with that is the only information you can consistently get is
username and whaterver they've provided as their full name.

And that it's not dynamic. If a new user is added to the system, my
generated address book is instantly out of date.

Ben

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I think this is just as important in Unix pine. Unix is (and always
has been, AFAIK) a multi-tasking OS, but Pine doesn't make much use of
that. I would love to see all IMAP operations operate in the
background, especially automatic checks of Incoming mail folders. Is
this on the official to-do-someday list?

And LDAP operations. My LDAP server is 18 hops away.

By the way, I posted a question last week about background sending of
messages. I have this enabled, but apparently I have to type ^R before each
message is sent to make use of the background facility. I'm on a Unix
machine -- why wouldn't I always want Pine to fork, exec sendmail and then
carry on? Curious to an answer on this one! Thanks,

Ben

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> That's pretty easy. Just take the /etc/passwd file and extract the
> data you want, then output it in address book format. I can do it in
> MS Excel, so it must be really simple in Perl. :)
>
> Only problem with that is the only information you can consistently get is
> username and whaterver they've provided as their full name.
>
> And that it's not dynamic. If a new user is added to the system, my
> generated address book is instantly out of date.

Then I guess you could run the Perl script as a cron job to go every
night, and run it manually if you think someone's been added during the
day and you need to e-mail them...

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Another option might be to setup an alias, that'd be done in a file called
/var/aliases or something. It'd require updates as new users are added to
your system. So you could have something an address like <[email protected]>
to send mails to everyone on your system.

---
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:
>
> > That's pretty easy. Just take the /etc/passwd file and extract the
> > data you want, then output it in address book format. I can do it in
> > MS Excel, so it must be really simple in Perl. :)
> >
> > Only problem with that is the only information you can consistently get is
> > username and whaterver they've provided as their full name.
> >
> > And that it's not dynamic. If a new user is added to the system, my
> > generated address book is instantly out of date.
>
> Then I guess you could run the Perl script as a cron job to go every
> night, and run it manually if you think someone's been added during the
> day and you need to e-mail them...
>
> --
> Scott Leibrand
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>
>
>

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Does anyone know how to configure pine so that the messages are displayed
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At 20:32 Yesterday Scott Leibrand wrote:

> > And that it's not dynamic. If a new user is added to the system, my
> > generated address book is instantly out of date.
>
> Then I guess you could run the Perl script as a cron job to go every
> night, and run it manually if you think someone's been added during the
> day and you need to e-mail them...

Or why not wrap the useradd/adduser/whatever command you use to add a
new user with a shellscript that runs first the 'real' useradd/etc
command, and then your little shell- or Perl-script that extracts the
data out of /etc/passwd? Instant dynamicness!

/Martin

Keep things as recursive as possible, but not recursiver.

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:
>
> > That's pretty easy. Just take the /etc/passwd file and extract the
> > data you want, then output it in address book format. I can do it in
> > MS Excel, so it must be really simple in Perl. :)
> >
> > Only problem with that is the only information you can consistently get is
> > username and whaterver they've provided as their full name.
> >
> > And that it's not dynamic. If a new user is added to the system, my
> > generated address book is instantly out of date.
>
> Then I guess you could run the Perl script as a cron job to go every
> night, and run it manually if you think someone's been added during the
> day and you need to e-mail them...

This is exactly what I do. I have a cron job running every morning which
skips through /etc/passwd until it gets to the first real user, takes that
user, gets their real name (can't be changed) out of another system passwd
file, checks to see if they have a .forward (if so, grabs that for email
address), and writes all that to a new pine-global-addressbook. And so on
for the rest of /etc/passwd; then I have Pine sort it for me. Any users
added during the day won't show up in the addressbook until the next day,
but you can still mail them just fine!
jo

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From: Martin Domeij <[email protected]>
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At 10:40 Today Martin Domeij wrote:

> At 20:32 Yesterday Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
> Or why not wrap the useradd/adduser/whatever command you use to add a
> new user with a shellscript that runs first the 'real' useradd/etc
> command, and then your little shell- or Perl-script that extracts the
> data out of /etc/passwd? Instant dynamicness!

Or, to answer myself, if you have a passwd-file way to huge to go through
every time you add a new user, let the wrapper-script catch the
username, realname, and what you want, and just store this away, without
going through the passwd-file.

/Martin

Keep things as recursive as possible, but not recursiver.

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:

> Does anyone know how to configure pine so that the messages are
> displayed in reverse order? Thanks.

If you mean to display messages sorted in reverse in the message-
index, then press ($)ort (R)everse at the message-index. To make this
permanent, in your Pine setup, you can set the sort-key to whatever
you want, perhaps Reverse Arrival.

Gopi.

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:

> How do you go nomail on this list?

To have Listproc temporarily suspend delivery of messages, try sending a
message to [email protected] with:

set pine-info mail postpone

on the first line of the mesage.

To unsubscribe, make the first line:

unsubscribe pine-info

For more info on the set command (such as how to turn off postpone mode),
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I have changed service providers. My new email address is:
[email protected]
Do I have to unsubscribe and resubscribe to all my mailing lists?
Please reply to:
[email protected]
Thank you.

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How do I continue to receive the mail from this list with a new email
address? Please advise.

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You can write an e-mail from your old account to [email protected]
with:

unsubscribe pine-info

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new account with:

subscribe pine-info Catherine Thomas

as the first line.

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Catherine Thomas wrote:

> How do I continue to receive the mail from this list with a new email
> address? Please advise.
>
>
>

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Jo Knox wrote:

> This is exactly what I do. I have a cron job running every morning which
> skips through /etc/passwd until it gets to the first real user, takes that
> user, gets their real name (can't be changed) out of another system passwd
> file, checks to see if they have a .forward (if so, grabs that for email
> address), and writes all that to a new pine-global-addressbook. And so on
> for the rest of /etc/passwd; then I have Pine sort it for me. Any users
> added during the day won't show up in the addressbook until the next day,
> but you can still mail them just fine!

How do you tell the difference between "real" users - people to whom you
want to send mail, and who might read it, and the dummy users that are
set up for certain apps, or for group use? For instance, there are a
couple of dozen such dummy userids on my personal Linux box. At the lab
we have a group userids (used for the majority of shared work) in
addition to our personal ones, so every once in a while we have to go
and clean out the general mailbox.

James

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Catherine: I really don't know, but with all but my egroups lists, when I
changed my address I unsubscribed and then re-subscribed. I don't know if
there's another way on this list; the unsubscribe-resubscribe route is
kind of a pain, but it will work.

Cheryl

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I don't know if there is any way to set this up in Pine. Just as I can
take an address out of an email and save it to my addressbook, I'd like to
be able to have a file for urls people send me. I do know about
bookmarking and have a bookmark file, and I am able to view urls directly
from Pine, but I don't allways have time to view an url at the time and
decide whether or not to bookmark it. So I end up saving the whole
message, and then have to go back through messages later and check
urls. Is there any way to set up an url file and send urls to it?

Cheryl

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Try using the attached shell script as your URL-viewer in Main, Setup,
Config. All it does is echo the first argument (the URL, in this case) to
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> I don't know if there is any way to set this up in Pine. Just as I can
> take an address out of an email and save it to my addressbook, I'd like to
> be able to have a file for urls people send me. I do know about
> bookmarking and have a bookmark file, and I am able to view urls directly
> from Pine, but I don't allways have time to view an url at the time and
> decide whether or not to bookmark it. So I end up saving the whole
> message, and then have to go back through messages later and check
> urls. Is there any way to set up an url file and send urls to it?
>
> Cheryl

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Thanks, Scott! I'll try this right away; should work.

Cheryl

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On 00-07-22 Cheryl Homiak <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't know if there is any way to set this up in Pine.
> Just as I can take an address out of an email and save it to
> my addressbook, I'd like to be able to have a file for urls
> people send me. I do know about bookmarking and have a
> bookmark file, and I am able to view urls directly from Pine,
> but I don't allways have time to view an url at the time and
> decide whether or not to bookmark it. So I end up saving the
> whole message, and then have to go back through messages
> later and check urls. Is there any way to set up an url file
> and send urls to it?

I would LOVE a feature like this in Pine. I keep lists of URLs in
messages in IMAP folders so I can access them from anywhere but
it would be fabulous if Pine had this feature built in. It would
work just as Cherly describes, e.g., you are viewing a message
and you type T for take and then you would be prompted with

Take to :
A [Addrbook] S SetScores F Filters
^C Cancel R Roles I Indexcolor U URLbook
^^^^^^^^^
this is new!

And then the URLbook would work the same way that Addrbooks work,
i.e., you could add a comment, you could store it on an IMAP
server, etc.

Great idea!
Nancy

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, James wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Jo Knox wrote:
>
> > This is exactly what I do. I have a cron job running every morning which
> > skips through /etc/passwd until it gets to the first real user, takes that
> > user, gets their real name (can't be changed) out of another system passwd
> > file, checks to see if they have a .forward (if so, grabs that for email
> > address), and writes all that to a new pine-global-addressbook. And so on
> > for the rest of /etc/passwd; then I have Pine sort it for me. Any users
> > added during the day won't show up in the addressbook until the next day,
> > but you can still mail them just fine!
>
> How do you tell the difference between "real" users - people to whom you
> want to send mail, and who might read it, and the dummy users that are
> set up for certain apps, or for group use? For instance, there are a
> couple of dozen such dummy userids on my personal Linux box. At the lab
> we have a group userids (used for the majority of shared work) in
> addition to our personal ones, so every once in a while we have to go
> and clean out the general mailbox.

I've kept all the non-actual-user accounts at the beginning of passwd;
these are root, daemon, nobody, template accounts, etc. The processor just
skips until it gets to my account, which is the first actual user account!
jo

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As far as I know, for eGroups <http://www.eGroups.com> you don't need to
unsubscribe and then resubscribe. For eGroups, you can simple go to
http://www.eGroups.com and then log in using your e-mail address, and then
change your e-mail address in personal preferences. I myself did so, hence
there's no doubt about that.

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> Catherine: I really don't know, but with all but my egroups lists, when I
> changed my address I unsubscribed and then re-subscribed. I don't know if
> there's another way on this list; the unsubscribe-resubscribe route is
> kind of a pain, but it will work.
>
> Cheryl
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>

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, James wrote:

J> On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Jo Knox wrote:
J>
J> > This is exactly what I do. I have a cron job running every morning which
J> > skips through /etc/passwd until it gets to the first real user, takes that
J> > user, gets their real name (can't be changed) out of another system passwd
J> > file, checks to see if they have a .forward (if so, grabs that for email
J> > address), and writes all that to a new pine-global-addressbook. And so on
J> > for the rest of /etc/passwd; then I have Pine sort it for me. Any users
J> > added during the day won't show up in the addressbook until the next day,
J> > but you can still mail them just fine!
J>
J> How do you tell the difference between "real" users - people to whom you
J> want to send mail, and who might read it, and the dummy users that are
J> set up for certain apps, or for group use?

Well, that's going to depend on your system, no? Our script skips over:
-anything with a uid < 100 (system accounts on our hosts),
-any accountname surrounded by angle brackets (< or >), which is just a
convention we use internally,
-any accountname in an excludes file.

YMMV,

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In Pine 4.21, the docs describing the use of the sending-filter token
_INCLUDEALLHDRS_ say that the entire message, including headers are passed
to the mesages, but they do not say that the output of the filter only
affects the body. Hence, having something like 'cat' might not do what
the user expects (that is, doing nothing to the message; rather, the
headers and body appear in the body of the message). It would be nice if
such documentation was included.

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Yes, Nancy's idea is exactly what I have in mind--it would be wonderful as
a built-in feature! However, Scott's script also works beautifully!

Cheryl

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That might work. I'll have to try it. Thanks

George

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>
>
>> Is it possible to export the email folder in pine, so it can be
>> imported in Exchange WITHOUT losing the date received field? We had a
>> user that has moved to another dept and would like to take their
>> emails with them and the new dept isn't running on pine.
>>
>> Otherwise, I'd just have them forward the emails to their
>new address,
>> but then the received date is lost and makes it hard to reference old
>> emails by date.
>
>If your Exchange server allows IMAP (ours does), you can just
>create the
>folders on the Exchange server using IMAP, then open up each folder and
>save the messages to the newly created folers.
>
>Dan Fulbright
>
>

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Hi there

I'm new to this list...

Can anyone point me to some how-to or info on S/MIME and Pine, assuming
someone has got it working. (boy have i been looking hard everywhere,
found nothing) PGP works fine, no probs, nice, but PGP and
S/MiME aren't compatible.

many thanks

nicholas

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This problem is probablly not related to pine. Any idea will be
appreciative.

We are trying to eable our mail server password ageing. But, for those
users using POP3/IMAP in their mail interfaces (MSoutlook, netscape) to
down load their mail from mailbox on the server, the passwd ageing is not
working (it is not giving any warning messages when it should be). Do I
need to do any special configuration on the server or to these user mail
interfaces?

Thanks!
Annie

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:34:59 +0000 (MET)
From: Bruce Cohen <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Bezig met doorsturen van post....

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS MESSAGE (if anything).

It originally arrived at my pine 3.96 site where I have an automatic
forward to a site that has a 3.90.

On the 3.96 site I can't read it, and also can't manually forward it
(formatting error).

To my surprise I can read it on the 3.90 site, but I still can't read
the message even if I "forward" it back to the 3.96 site.

n.B. There are header problems at the 3.96 site that I will have to
contact you about, but I am not sure if this is related to those problems
or not.

Bruce Cohen

P.S. (will also try to just forward the msg without any of my text
attachted, just in case).

-------------------------------------------------------------
=09 DE DIGITALE STAD

---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:47:41 +0200
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]

Guten Tag,

vielen Dank f=FCr Ihr Interesse am Europ=E4ischen Kulturkanal ARTE.

ARTE sendet 75% seiner Programme mit einem Zweikanalton. Das heisst, dass =
=FCber
den Kanal B, durch Druck auf die Stereotaste Ihres Fernsehger=E4tes, die
Sprachfassung abgerufen werden kann, die auch in Frankreich ausgestrahlt wi=
rd
(franz=F6sich oder Originalton mit Untertiteln). Auf keinen Fall bedeutet d=
as,
dass beide Sprachfassungen gleichzeitig zu h=F6ren sind.

Wenn es zu Mischungen der beiden Sprachfassungen kommt, ist dies folgenderm=
a=DFen
zu erkl=E4ren=A0:

1) es liegt eine Tonst=F6rung im Bereich Ihrer Kabelkopfstation vor.

oder

2) die Tonkan=E4le Ihres Fernsehger=E4ts sind unzureichend eingestellt. Die=
ses
Problem l=E4sst sich jedoch relativ leicht l=F6sen, indem Sie Ihren Fernseh=
apparat
vom Fachhandel feineinstellen lassen, die Tonkan=E4le fein s=E4uberlich tre=
nnen.

Was der deutsche Teletext anbelangt, k=F6nnen Sie auf Seite 400 bis 499 die
Programme von ARTE auf franz=F6sisch lesen.
Ab Seite 301 haben Sie die Angaben zum PDC; wenn keine spezielle Nummer
angegeben ist, heisst es, dass die Uhrzeit auch als PDC g=FCltig ist. So eb=
enfalls
f=FCr die Seiten in franz=F6sischer Sprache.

Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen

Sylvie Schaffner
Zuschauerdienst

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Subject: 2-Ton
Author: "Bruce Cohen" <[email protected]>
Date: 21/07/00 09:57

Ich versuche zu analisieren was los ist. Wir (in Amsterdam) empfangen Arte
via unsere Kabelgesellschaft, und es gibt meiner Meinung nach einige
technische Schwierigkeiten.

1) Wir haben keine Tonwahl - Tagsueber sind die Sendungen auf
Franzoesisch, abends auf Deutsch (jedenfalls meistens). Manchmal sind
Sendungen Zweiton angegeben, aber wir kriegen's hier anscheinend nur Mono.

2) Teletext ist auch in der jeweiligen "Hauptsprache". Leider ist auf der
franzoesischen Seite keine Moeglichkeit die versteckte PDC Info zu sehen.
Besser waere wenn mann waehlen koennte welche Sprache man haben will (es
sei denn dass die Franzosen bereit waeren Ihre Technik so anzupassen dass
versteckte Info auch mitgeliefert wird)

Wie ist es bei 2-Ton - laueft immer alles auf 2 Ton / Stereo oder wird
hin und her geschaltet zwischen Mono und 2 Ton (Stereo)? (Technisch meine
ich - nicht inhaltlich!).

Alle technische Info diesbezueglich waere sehr willkommen.

Vielen Dank zum voraus fuer Ihre Muehe.

Bruce Cohen

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Hi there

I've been looking everywhere and still have found nothing.
If anyone on this list knows anything about Pine and s/mime, i would
really appreciate a link or something to get me started.
Maybe Pine and s/mime can't be intergrated and I'm waisting my time
looking, but i don't even know that :(

many thanks

nicholas

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Nicholas Horwood wrote:

>
> Hi there
>
> I'm new to this list...
>
> Can anyone point me to some how-to or info on S/MIME and Pine, assuming
> someone has got it working. (boy have i been looking hard everywhere,
> found nothing) PGP works fine, no probs, nice, but PGP and
> S/MiME aren't compatible.
>
> many thanks
>
> nicholas
>
>

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Hi
I tried to merge pine with the new c-client lib released 03/07/2000
What I did was simply replace the pine/imap/src dir with the src-dir
of the new c-client lib. Everything worked fine especially the ssl code.
But I got an error about "inconsistent file size" when working with local unix
folders, I simply marked some messages "deleted" and then "expunged" them.
Pine exited with the "inconsistent file size"-message

My question is: Is it a bug in the new c-client lib? And: Can I simply
use the auth_ssl.c within the existing pine 4.21 sources without the whole
new c-client lib?

Thanks in advance
Stefan

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Stefan Vacek wrote:

> Hi B
> I tried to merge pine with the new c-client lib released 03/07/2000
> What I did was simply replace the pine/imap/src dir with the src-dir
> of the new c-client lib. Everything worked fine especially the ssl code.
> But I got an error about "inconsistent file size" when working with local unix
> folders, I simply marked some messages "deleted" and then "expunged" them.
> Pine exited with the "inconsistent file size"-message
>
> My question is: Is it a bug in the new c-client lib? And: Can I simply
> use the auth_ssl.c within the existing pine 4.21 sources without the whole
> new c-client lib?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Stefan
>
> Stefan Vacek **** [email protected]
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Hi Stefan,

Where do you get the "new c-client lib released 03/07/2000"?
Do you have the web address for that?

Thanks!

-lynn

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> Hi Stefan,
>
> Where do you get the "new c-client lib released 03/07/2000"?
> Do you have the web address for that?
Hi Lynn
I got it from: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/imap-2000.BETA.tar.Z
Beware, it's a beta-release

Viele Gruesse
Stefan

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Nicholas Horwood, at 15:03 +0100 on Tue, 25 Jul 2000, wrote:

> I've been looking everywhere and still have found nothing. If anyone
> on this list knows anything about Pine and s/mime, i would really
> appreciate a link or something to get me started. Maybe Pine and
> s/mime can't be intergrated and I'm waisting my time looking, but i
> don't even know that :(

While I am not an official spokeperson for Pine by any means, I have not
seen any efforts to develope S/MIME functionality into Pine directly or
via a filter (even if that is possible with S/MIME).

All efforts I have seen are to develop OpenPGP functionality into it (and
with good reason, IMO :) ).

- --
Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> While I am not an official spokeperson for Pine by any means, I have not
> seen any efforts to develope S/MIME functionality into Pine directly or
> via a filter (even if that is possible with S/MIME).
>
> All efforts I have seen are to develop OpenPGP functionality into it (and
> with good reason, IMO :) ).
>

what are all these different standards btw? S/MIME.. PGP/MIME, (or does
PGP/MIME fall under S/MIME?). How does OpenPGP relate to this?

it's quite a pain for me, cause i have to communicate with mutt users in
work which uses some kind of MIME. The encrypted body of the message is
given:

Content-type: application/octet-stream

which is a pain, cause you can only tell that this is PGP encrypted
because it is preceded by a seperate MIME section of
application/pgp-encrypted.

I wish there was a way for Pine to be handle these types of things. either
via specific S/MIME/standard of the day support or better MIME handling
configurability. (eg ability to use pass MIME to display filters, or
similar). Cause at the moment it is impossible to use PGP with mutt users.

regards,

Paul Jakma.

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Paul Jakma, at 23:33 +0100 on Tue, 25 Jul 2000, wrote:

> what are all these different standards btw? S/MIME.. PGP/MIME, (or does
> PGP/MIME fall under S/MIME?). How does OpenPGP relate to this?

PGP/MIME is standard to use the RFC 1991 (original PGP) implementation
together with MIME to allow PGP to work together and take advantage of
what MIME offers.

S/MIME is a MIME implementation that is not related to PGP; it is a
competing standard with OpenPGP and PGP/MIME. It's security is based on
the same certificate system SSL uses, if I'm not mistaken.

OpenPGP is the current PGP standard, RFC 2440. It's name is not
PGP-by-NAI specific because there are other (possibly better)
implementations of the standard, most prominently GnuPG,
available at http://www.gnupg.org/

> which is a pain, cause you can only tell that this is PGP encrypted
> because it is preceded by a seperate MIME section of
> application/pgp-encrypted.

Yeah, can be annoying; but MIME does provide language/character
extensibility, and PGP/MIME covers that.

> I wish there was a way for Pine to be handle these types of things.
> either via specific S/MIME/standard of the day support or better MIME
> handling configurability. (eg ability to use pass MIME to display
> filters, or similar). Cause at the moment it is impossible to use PGP
> with mutt users.

Tell your mutt users to not use PGP/MIME, but rather clear-signed text,
for the time. Non-MIME messages can be cleaner to handle at times (they
require less processing), as they are 'blocks' that can be easily grasped.

Pine doesn't support multi-part MIME messages yet, IINM, so PGP/MIME
support won't likely be very well integrated. But I have a few tricks up
my sleeve try to solve that :)

- --
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Frank Tobin wrote:

> Pine doesn't support multi-part MIME messages yet, IINM,

it seems to work. at least i can see every MIME part when a mutt user
sends me an encrypted message. (or do you mean something else?)

> so PGP/MIME
> support won't likely be very well integrated. But I have a few tricks up
> my sleeve try to solve that :)
>

excellent! can't wait to see it! (forgive my present use of pgp4pine :) )

> --
> Frank Tobin http://www.uiuc.edu/~ftobin/

regards and thanks for the info,

Paul Jakma.
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I'm a new PINE administrator, so I have a basic question to begin with. I'm
currently using PINE 4.21 under Data General DG/UX 4.11. We also have begun
using a program called Faceterm, which allows for multiple windowing on our
dummy terminals.

The problem that I'm having is that PINE is going "idle" under Faceterm
within 15-30 seconds of a log-in. This is very annoying, since you have to
re-activate the window AND log in again to use PINE. Since PINE is actually
checking for mailboxes on another computer (our mail server), it seems to be
receiving a break signal when no mail is there. I was wondering whether
keeping the Inboxes on the main server (where PINE resides) would solve this
problem. I'm not sure how to go about configuring PINE to import the
messages on to the main server. Would I have to use a "fetch" program or
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*** Michele Chubirka wrote in the pine-info list on Jul 21, 2000:

:) I'm trying to change the location & name of the global rc files ( trying to
:) run two versions of pine on the same system, one for local mail and one for
:) imap connections)from /usr/local/lib/pine.conf & pine.conf.fixed to
:) /usr/local/lib/ipine/pine.conf & pine.conf.fixed. I've added the following
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:)
:) SYSTEM_PINERC= /usr/local/lib/ipine/pine.conf
:) SYSTEM_PINERC_FIXED= /usr/local/lib/ipine/pine.conf.fixed
:)

Edit the file os.h (pine4.21/pine/os.h) and define there the location of
these files. You should override the default where these definitions are
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[email protected] wrote:

>I saw in the archive that a lot of people had the same problem as the
one
>I reported yesterday.
>
>At last, I found the answer:
>
>The formats of the mime.types file used by Pine and Netscape are
incompatible.
>
>Netscape uses something like:
>
> #mime types added by Netscape Helper
> type=application/pdf \
> desc="Portable Document Format" \
v> exts="pdf"
>
> I then tried:
>
> type=application/excel \
> desc="MS Excel" \
> exts="xls,XLS,xlb"
>
>That doesn't work (any .xls file is attached as APPLICATION/MSWORD)
>By the way, the same file copied to .doc is attached as
APPLICATION/msword
> (note the case). Which gives some information on the way pine handles
file
>types.
> If pine knows the file type, it relies only on it
> If not, it looks at the first bytes of the file
>
> I then tried with:
>
> application/excel xls
>
> and that works perfectly.

I tried this fix but it solves only half of the problem. Pine does, as
Pierre says, attach
the file correctly as application/excel in the outbound message. But
when that same file
is received back by pine, it still shows up as application/MSWORD.

Any reason why this might be? (other than the obvious that pine can't
see whether the
file has an xls extension or not while on its way inbound?)

Steve Timm

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