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When I try to create a new collection with :
server: news.accesinter.com
path : #news.

I receive the following message indicating an error : "can t connect Lyon
dtr fr.143 refused 10061".

Accesinter is my main ISP. I tried with other ISP with the same negative
result.

I never have any problem reading newsgroup and no problem sending messages
with free agent=20

Do I need an ISP with IMAP to send messages to a newsgroup with PC Pine?

Thank you for your help (and Scott Leibrand in particular)
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Is there any way from unix to send a mail message with a file attachment
from the command prompt? The mail command can send a file as an email, but
I need the file to be an attachment not the message. Pine can send an
attachment but it has to be input from compose (or does it?).

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On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Arnie Linder wrote:

> Is there any way from unix to send a mail message with a file attachment
> from the command prompt? The mail command can send a file as an email, but
> I need the file to be an attachment not the message. Pine can send an
> attachment but it has to be input from compose (or does it?).

Yes, Pine needs ^X to send, unless you pick up and apply Eduardo's patch.

I think there's another program that can do the same thing, but I can't
remember what it's called for sure. I'm pretty sure it has MIME in its
name, though.

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what about using:

cat filename | uuencode outputfilename | mailx -s "subject" emailaddress

Where filename - is the filename to attach
outputfilename - is the filename to be assigned to the attachment
emailaddress - is where to send the file

Although the above will only send an attachment

(cat emailfile ; cat filename | uuencode outfile) | mailx -s "subject"
address

The above will put the contents of emailfile as the body of the message
and attach filename as outfile and email to address.

George

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>From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 11:53 AM
>To: Pine Discussion Forum
>Subject: Re: Sending plain text file attachment
>
>
>On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Arnie Linder wrote:
>
>> Is there any way from unix to send a mail message with a
>file attachment
>> from the command prompt? The mail command can send a file
>as an email, but
>> I need the file to be an attachment not the message. Pine
>can send an
>> attachment but it has to be input from compose (or does it?).
>
>Yes, Pine needs ^X to send, unless you pick up and apply
>Eduardo's patch.
>
>I think there's another program that can do the same thing, but I can't
>remember what it's called for sure. I'm pretty sure it has MIME in its
>name, though.
>
>--
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>valid address.)
>http://students.washington.edu/leibrand
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> *
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Use mpack. It will MIME encode a file and send it, optionally with a message.

> Is there any way from unix to send a mail message with a file attachment
> from the command prompt? The mail command can send a file as an email, but
> I need the file to be an attachment not the message. Pine can send an
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From: Robert Larmon <[email protected]>
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Subject: bug with PC-Pine 4.21 dialog box
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Hi all,
I think there is a bug with PC-Pine's dialog boxes (Go to Config,
and select Use Dialog Boxes on the menu bar) and the Caps Lock. When I
hit R for reply, it asks me if I want to include original message in
reply. If the Caps Lock is on, I hit y or n, but nothing happens. If
Caps is off, no problem. This problem doesn't come up without the dialog
boxes. I've verified this with two machines. Can anyone else verify
this?

Robert

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From: William Maddler <[email protected]>
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Hi, I'm kinda newbye with PINE, and maybe a little dumb ;)
but I was unable to find the "Use Dialog Boxes" in the config section...
(yes, I have 4.21) :))

cya...

00.06.02 at 13:44, [email protected] babbled of:

>
>Hi all,
> I think there is a bug with PC-Pine's dialog boxes (Go to Config,

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That's because it's only an option for PC-Pine, not Unix Pine.

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> Hi, I'm kinda newbye with PINE, and maybe a little dumb ;)
> but I was unable to find the "Use Dialog Boxes" in the config section...
> (yes, I have 4.21) :))
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> cya...
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> 00.06.02 at 13:44, [email protected] babbled of:
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> >
> >Hi all,
> > I think there is a bug with PC-Pine's dialog boxes (Go to Config,
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Hello, William!

On Sat, 3 Jun 2000, William Maddler wrote:

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>Hi, I'm kinda newbye with PINE, and maybe a little dumb ;)
>but I was unable to find the "Use Dialog Boxes" in the config section...
>(yes, I have 4.21) :))
>
>cya...

Can you see the difference between those two lines ? :)

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ghghghghg... ok... looks like I missed some piece of info... ;)))
sorry for the noise! :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

00.06.03 at 13:05, [email protected] babbled of:

>Can you see the difference between those two lines ? :)
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Is there a way to search one's Unix/Pine email account for all messages
containing attachments? I am cleaning up my account, and I do not want to
delete msgs containing attachments that I might not have already
downloaded/opened/saved.

Thanks!

KF

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all,

Is there a way to save what's sent by pine to the MTA ? My problem is with
attachments, I'd like to keep somewhere what pine produces before relaying to
the MTA.

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It doesn't look like you can select or sort by attachment status, but you
can sort by size, which is almost as good...

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On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kevin Franken wrote:

> Is there a way to search one's Unix/Pine email account for all messages
> containing attachments? I am cleaning up my account, and I do not want to
> delete msgs containing attachments that I might not have already
> downloaded/opened/saved.
>
> Thanks!
>
> KF
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That's what Fcc: is for, if I understand your question correctly. If your
attachments are not being included in your Fcc, you can try unchecking the
following option in Main, Setup, Config:

FEATURE: fcc-without-attachments

This features controls the way FCC's (File Carbon Copies) are made of the
messages you send.

Normally, Pine saves an exact copy of your message as it was sent. When
this feature is enabled, the "body" of the message you send (the text you
type in the composer) is preserved in the copy as before, however all
attachments are replaced with text explaining what had been sent rather
than the attachments themselves.

This feature also affects Pine's "Send ?" confirmation prompt in that a
new "^F Fcc Attchmnts" option becomes available which allows you to
interactively set whether or not attachments are saved to the Fcc'd copy.

* Finding more information and requesting help

<End of help on this topic>

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On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Arnaud De Timmerman wrote:

>
>
> all,
>
> Is there a way to save what's sent by pine to the MTA ? My problem is with
> attachments, I'd like to keep somewhere what pine produces before relaying to
> the MTA.
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I've got a really big problem with pine refusing to read my
/var/spool/mail/me after my pop retrieval program has touched
it. pop-perl5 and pine have been working together fine for a long time
and now suddenly I get the 'invalid mailbox format' error every time.

If I delete my /var/spool/mail/me and then have it regenerated by sending
mail locally everything works. Pine opens and moves my mail to my
mbox. As soon as my pop program touches it again it quits working
again. I read the FAQ and checked to see if my /var/spool/mail/me starts
with "From ....", and it does. I can even open it and read it with any other
mail program fine (mutt, mail) but pine refuses.

I've tried everything I can think of (including briefly exploring mutt as
a mail client option, not a good idea) but nothing will get pine and my
pop retriever to work together again.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Esteban Salazar
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Dear all,

Hi I'm new to this list. :)

I've searched thru the list archive and about 4 years ago someone
posted a feature suggestion that to show folder status and the number of
unread messages in the pine folder list.

I'm wondering if this feature is implemented already (if so,
how?), or if it's going to be added in the future.

Thanks.

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*** Pigeon wrote in the pine-info list on Jun 7, 2000:

:) Hi I'm new to this list. :)

Welcome!

:)
:) I've searched thru the list archive and about 4 years ago someone
:) posted a feature suggestion that to show folder status and the number of
:) unread messages in the pine folder list.
:)

Well the only thing I've ever read about it is that the Pine-team is
looking for a way to implement something like this, but doing it is not
that "cheap", as accessing folders (especially non-local ones) can be slow
and this could notoriously slow down your session. Other than that, I know
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Looks like the problem is with POP-Perl5... try asking help on a specific
mailing list... :)

00.06.06 at 13:48, [email protected] babbled of:

>I've got a really big problem with pine refusing to read my
>/var/spool/mail/me after my pop retrieval program has touched
>it. pop-perl5 and pine have been working together fine for a long time
>and now suddenly I get the 'invalid mailbox format' error every time.

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This often comes up when an uncoordinated updater modifies the mailbox
at the same time some other process is doing the same thing. By
"uncoordinated" I mean, typically, a mail client that doesn't flock the
file. Here, the result is that the file has a few trailing header lines
from some previous message. Pine expects the file to begin with the
beginning of a message, i.e. "From ". The solution is to edit the file
and delete everything down to the next "From ".

NOTE that's "From " and not "From:"

And, whatever you did to break it, don't do it again :-) As another
poster suggested, your pop server may be garbage.

Jim

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Steve Salazar wrote:

> I've got a really big problem with pine refusing to read my
> /var/spool/mail/me after my pop retrieval program has touched
> it. pop-perl5 and pine have been working together fine for a long time
> and now suddenly I get the 'invalid mailbox format' error every time.
>
> If I delete my /var/spool/mail/me and then have it regenerated by sending
> mail locally everything works. Pine opens and moves my mail to my
> mbox. As soon as my pop program touches it again it quits working
> again. I read the FAQ and checked to see if my /var/spool/mail/me starts
> with "From ....", and it does. I can even open it and read it with any other
> mail program fine (mutt, mail) but pine refuses.
>
> I've tried everything I can think of (including briefly exploring mutt as
> a mail client option, not a good idea) but nothing will get pine and my
> pop retriever to work together again.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Esteban Salazar
> [email protected]
>
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Has anyone else noticed the following:

When using PCPine, if you modify your local addressbook, copies of the
addressbook and lookup file are left behind, presumably the earlier
versions of the files; they are named a3a##### and a4a#####,
respectively.

Why aren't these being removed, and is it something we have or haven't
done? Hasn't anyone else ever seen this and asked (I didn't see anything
in the archives)?

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On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Cliff Green wrote:

:>Has anyone else noticed the following:
:>
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:>versions of the files; they are named a3a##### and a4a#####,
:>respectively.
:>
:>Why aren't these being removed, and is it something we have or haven't
:>done? Hasn't anyone else ever seen this and asked (I didn't see anything
:>in the archives)?

Only one set seem to be left behind, so far as I can tell. For remote
addressbooks these are used if there is no connection to the server.

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Hello, stumbled over a problem lately
working up some hundred mails
after migration from Pine 3.95 to 4.21 on Linux
by
- select
- narrow select, NB more than a page of mails left, eg 35 mails
- save to hitherto nonexistent directory
- confirm creation of directory
- 'save' works well, files are saved
BUT Pine stands still,
cursor in upper left corner blinking
Killing pine seems to be the only work-around,
but is not supposed to be the canonical solution...

Any hints welcome,
TIA hal ;-)

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moin, moin,

I'd like to have tokens to deal with the mail being sent for replys and
new mails. I don't care where it came from as for how I want to set up
roles and appropriate sigs. What's important is where the mail's going.

I've got a dynamic sig and I'd like to be able to take into account what
role I'm using either when the sig is generated or when it's stuck in the
mail. For instance the sig below isn't appropriate for work email as that
should list my work email addy. At the same time my work addy isn't
appropriate for mail to a list, etc.

We can't pass parameters to the command called by the pipe, so I have to
use a differently named command for each role to do it that way. That
really sucks as I use many roles (BTW roles really, really kick ass!) to
keep things straight.

The _TOKENS_ are taking info from the mail that came in, not the outgoing
mail, which is what I'm concerned with.

This really is part of the role setup, but as I say that's unfortunately a
bit hamstrung.

Is there a solution that I'm not seeing?

danke,

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Is there anyway to allow '\'s in an NNTP username? I tried, but pine
strips out the \ and instead of blah\blah, i get blahblah.

Is this a feature of a bug?

BTW, changing the username isnt really an option.. Wish it was.

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Try blah\\blah. If that doesn't work, I'd try various flavors of 'single'
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Matt Davis wrote:

> Is there anyway to allow '\'s in an NNTP username? I tried, but pine
> strips out the \ and instead of blah\blah, i get blahblah.
>
> Is this a feature of a bug?
>
> BTW, changing the username isnt really an option.. Wish it was.
>
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Try blah\\blah. If that doesn't work, I'd try various flavors of 'single'
> and "double" quotes.

Great! I thought I tried \\ without the quotes, but obviousally i
didn't. And that worked.. If i used quotes, it just appended the quotes
to the username.

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Is there a way to always show the "from:" header when replyin' to a
mail? I can show it when composing a new mail but not when replyin'...

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If you reply using a role, it will be shown. I presume it also gets shown
by default if you allow-changing-from.

For a more general solution, try adding it to the Customized-Headers
section of Main, Setup, Config. This works for other headers, but I'm not
sure if it does for From unless allow-changing-from is set.

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, William Maddler wrote:

>
> Is there a way to always show the "from:" header when replyin' to a
> mail? I can show it when composing a new mail but not when replyin'...
>
> thx for help! :DDD
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is there a way to have it switched on as default instead of having to
us ^R? :)) thx... :DDD
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Hello, William!

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, William Maddler wrote:

>is there a way to have it switched on as default instead of having to
>us ^R? :)) thx... :DDD

set 'default-composer-hdrs' to 'all-except'

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I can't duplicate this on our AIX 4.2 system. Does it still happen on
your machine? Can you duplicate it on another machine or with a generic
pinerc?

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On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, h.bork wrote:

> Hello, stumbled over a problem lately
> working up some hundred mails
> after migration from Pine 3.95 to 4.21 on Linux
> by
> - select
> - narrow select, NB more than a page of mails left, eg 35 mails
> - save to hitherto nonexistent directory
> - confirm creation of directory
> - 'save' works well, files are saved
> BUT Pine stands still,
> cursor in upper left corner blinking
> Killing pine seems to be the only work-around,
> but is not supposed to be the canonical solution...
>
> Any hints welcome,
> TIA hal ;-)
>
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I can Reply and Forward using Role, but now Compose. I use Pine 4.10 on
Linux. Is it possible to Compose using Roles in Pine 4.10?

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Not sure about 4.10 specifically. You should upgrade to 4.21 if possible.

Try going in to Main, Setup, Rules, Roles, selecting your role, and
choosing:

Compose Use =
Set Choose One
--- --------------------
( ) Never
(*) With confirmation
( ) Without confirmation

There should also be an option to press # instead of C to compose with a
role.

Again, if these options don't show up, upgrade to 4.21.

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Satya wrote:

> I can Reply and Forward using Role, but now Compose. I use Pine 4.10 on
> Linux. Is it possible to Compose using Roles in Pine 4.10?
>
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I've had a problem being able to read HTML files via a browser
invoked from Pine. Anyone know if this is possible?

I'm running pine-4.10 (is that too old)? When I receive a message
that has an attachment with header "Content-Type: text/html", I expect
that the following line from my .mailcap will cause Pine to invoke
a browser to read it:

text/html; netscape %s; description="read html attachment"

Pine does indeed invoke netscape on the attachment. However, the
filename it creates for netscape is something like /var/tmp/img-HTML58492.
Therefore, since the filename doesn't have a ".html" suffix, netscape
displays it as plain ascii rather than interpreting it as HTML.
So far as I've been able to determine, there is no "force html" flag
to netscape.

I searched www.washington.edu/pine for "text/html" but didn't find
anything directly applicable. One person suggested that
"lynx -force_html %s" can be used to view an HTML attachment. However
this doesn't work for the attachment in question because it has embedded
javascript, i.e. it really needs a browser.

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On Jun 14, 2000 at 09:12, Scott Leibrand wrote:

>Not sure about 4.10 specifically. You should upgrade to 4.21 if possible.
[snip]
>Again, if these options don't show up, upgrade to 4.21.

Sorry to waste everyone's time. Compose with Roles is NOT available in
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Is it possible to have more than one newssever accessed by pine?

I am able to type in more than one (setup -> config), but pine only
showes the first one in the list.

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*** Claus Atzenbeck wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Is it possible to have more than one newssever accessed by pine?

I think so, press M S L and add the news server. Follow the model of your
other news server entry.

What I do not know is what will ocurr when you try to post a message to
the second server, anyone knows?

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

> :) Is it possible to have more than one newssever accessed by pine?

Yep, I would need 2 of them. ;-)

> I think so, press M S L and add the news server. Follow the model of your
> other news server entry.

I did this. As "Path" I have "#news." on both entries.

It does not work, because both entries are using the same .newsrc
file, meaning both (different) newssever are using the same selected
newsgroups.

How can I solve this problem?

Thanks for your help!

Regards,
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moin, moin,

Recently I've been seeing the following on mail received from lists:

[ Note: This message contains email list management information ]

I've been running 4.21 for a while ( in fact I've had this session up
since 03Apr :), but did make some config changes earlier this week having
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Anyway, it's cool to not have that crap inline :) and I was wondering if
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danke,

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*** der.hans wrote in the pine-info list today:

:)
:) Recently I've been seeing the following on mail received from lists:
:)
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:)
:) Anyway, it's cool to not have that crap inline :) and I was wondering if
:) there's some kind of standard for this stuff, etc., e.g. where's this
:) coming from and how is pine knowing it's list management spam?

The message is a warning that the client (Pine) is giving you about the
mailing list. This means that the headers of the message that you received
contain information about how to subscribe, unsubscribe, help, archives,
etc.

The standard is decribed in RFC 2369, which you can read from here:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc2369.html

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On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
>It does not work, because both entries are using the same .newsrc
>file, meaning both (different) newssever are using the same selected
>newsgroups.

That is correct and is a problem of mine aswell.

>How can I solve this problem?

There isn't a configuration way to do it...
I was planning on doing some heavy patching so that one was able to
specify a newsrcfile like .newsrc-%s and pine would substitute the %s with
the newshost it is connected to... But then I was recommended slrn that
also got threaded newsreading... :-/

So dp a little sourcepatching and you will be alright.

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On 00-06-15 Emil Isberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
> >It does not work, because both entries are using the same .newsrc
> >file, meaning both (different) newssever are using the same selected
> >newsgroups.
>
> That is correct and is a problem of mine aswell.
>
> >How can I solve this problem?
>
> There isn't a configuration way to do it...

I've got info about how to do this using Pine command-line arguments
at either of these URLs:

Primary
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#diffNews

Mirror
http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#diffNews

Good luck,
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*** Nancy McGough wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) >
:) > >How can I solve this problem?
:) >
:) > There isn't a configuration way to do it...
:)
:) I've got info about how to do this using Pine command-line arguments
:) at either of these URLs:

Although Nancy's suggestions help, they by no means solve the problem
posed, is it there any chance the Pine team will consider adding multi-
newsserver support in future versions of Pine?

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Hello, I'd like to use news server that requires login and
password. howerver my unix pine puts my login id as the id to login to
the server... I want to use a different account. is there a way to put
different name for newsserver? Thanks.

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*** Nemo wrote in the pine-info list today:

:)
:) Hello, I'd like to use news server that requires login and
:) password. howerver my unix pine puts my login id as the id to login to
:) the server... I want to use a different account. is there a way to put
:) different name for newsserver? Thanks.

Nemo,

Yes, in the definition of the news server, write

your.news.server/nntp/user=your_login_name

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i may have hit something wrong, and i think that i did this before and
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how do i turn this off?

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*** Peartree wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) i may have hit something wrong, and i think that i did this before and
:) fixed it on accident. anyway, on all of my emails that aren't directly
:) addressed to me (like mail from a list) all have this at the top of each
:) message:
:) Precedence: bulk
:)
:) how do i turn this off?

You can't. This is part of the headers sent to you by the list. When
messages arrive to your server they are queued and this header helps to
determine their priority in doing the delivery. The Precedence in the
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thanks, i figured it out. i had changed my $whereami directive in my
majordomo.cf file to `/bin/dnsdomainname`. changed it to a static value
and it fixed it.

Brad

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On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

> *** Peartree wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) i may have hit something wrong, and i think that i did this before and
> :) fixed it on accident. anyway, on all of my emails that aren't directly
> :) addressed to me (like mail from a list) all have this at the top of each
> :) message:
> :) Precedence: bulk
> :)
> :) how do i turn this off?
>
> You can't. This is part of the headers sent to you by the list. When
> messages arrive to your server they are queued and this header helps to
> determine their priority in doing the delivery. The Precedence in the
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All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....

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Message-ID: <[email protected]>

This exists on all accounts--anything sent out using pine. And I
don't want it there. Undoubtedly, I did something to cause it but I will
soon no longer be a zNET employee and need to remove it.

I've checked and installed a clean copy of
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf as well as each individual copy of .pinerc to no
avail. But, obviously, something, somewhere is picking it up.

This is from .pine-debug* ....

Fullname: "Michael Cooley"
User domain name being used "newsummer.com"
Local Domain name being used "znet.com"
Host name being used "sd.znet.com"
Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"newsummer.com"

It says, at the top, that it's getting the info from .pine-conf
but it's simply not there.....

# grep znet /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
#

Any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Michael

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:

>
> All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
> the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....
>
> X-Sender: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
That is a message inserted by PINE, telling who the sender of the message
was, and what OS platform pine was used on, the LNX part tells me that you
are running PINE 4.05 on a Linux Machine.

> This exists on all accounts--anything sent out using pine. And I
> don't want it there. Undoubtedly, I did something to cause it but I will
> soon no longer be a zNET employee and need to remove it.

Sorry buddy, tell that to the authors of PINE, this is a functionality of
PINE itself and cannot be removed. As long as you keep using zdnet's
servers to send mail that message will comeout as @zd.znet.com

>
> I've checked and installed a clean copy of
> /usr/local/lib/pine.conf as well as each individual copy of .pinerc to no
> avail. But, obviously, something, somewhere is picking it up.
>
Yes, PINE, again, its built into the functionality of PINE itself.

---Andy

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That's the problem. I'm not using zNET's (not zdnet) servers. I'm
using my own. All email is delivered directly from my machine,
ns2.emcee.com (well, it has other names, such as
dsl-207-167-101-35.np.znet.net). I'm not indicating the usage of
sd.znet.com as the SMTP server anywhere that I can find and, so far as I
can tell, my outgoing emails are not stamped as such--except for the
message ID in Pine. This does not happen if I mail from the command line
or from Elm, so it's not a system config.

I'm sure that at some point I've told pine to use sd.znet.com but
I've looked in all the usual places and see no mention of it anywhere.

Any further help will be appreciated.

--
Michael Cooley
[email protected]
http://newsummer.com/

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> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:09:37 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Andy Malato <[email protected]>
> To: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:
>
> >
> > All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
> > the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....
> >
> > X-Sender: [email protected]
> > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> >
> That is a message inserted by PINE, telling who the sender of the message
> was, and what OS platform pine was used on, the LNX part tells me that you
> are running PINE 4.05 on a Linux Machine.
>
> > This exists on all accounts--anything sent out using pine. And I
> > don't want it there. Undoubtedly, I did something to cause it but I will
> > soon no longer be a zNET employee and need to remove it.
>
> Sorry buddy, tell that to the authors of PINE, this is a functionality of
> PINE itself and cannot be removed. As long as you keep using zdnet's
> servers to send mail that message will comeout as @zd.znet.com
>
>
> >
> > I've checked and installed a clean copy of
> > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf as well as each individual copy of .pinerc to no
> > avail. But, obviously, something, somewhere is picking it up.
> >
> Yes, PINE, again, its built into the functionality of PINE itself.
>
>
> ---Andy
>
>

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:

>
> That's the problem. I'm not using zNET's (not zdnet) servers. I'm
> using my own. All email is delivered directly from my machine,
> ns2.emcee.com (well, it has other names, such as
> dsl-207-167-101-35.np.znet.net). I'm not indicating the usage of
> sd.znet.com as the SMTP server anywhere that I can find and, so far as I
> can tell, my outgoing emails are not stamped as such--except for the
> message ID in Pine. This does not happen if I mail from the command line
> or from Elm, so it's not a system config.

This seems like PINE may use what is in the reverse DNS, but I may be
wrong. This machine that you setup, has it ever worked the way you
specified?

---Andy

>
> I'm sure that at some point I've told pine to use sd.znet.com but
> I've looked in all the usual places and see no mention of it anywhere.
>
> Any further help will be appreciated.
>

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HI Andy,

On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:57:53 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Andy Malato <[email protected]>
> To: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> Cc: Andy Malato <[email protected]>,
> Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
>
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:
>
> >
> > That's the problem. I'm not using zNET's (not zdnet) servers. I'm
> > using my own. All email is delivered directly from my machine,
> > ns2.emcee.com (well, it has other names, such as
> > dsl-207-167-101-35.np.znet.net). I'm not indicating the usage of
> > sd.znet.com as the SMTP server anywhere that I can find and, so far as I
> > can tell, my outgoing emails are not stamped as such--except for the
> > message ID in Pine. This does not happen if I mail from the command line
> > or from Elm, so it's not a system config.
>
> This seems like PINE may use what is in the reverse DNS, but I may be
> wrong. This machine that you setup, has it ever worked the way you
> specified?

Yes. It's only been sometime in the last few months that it
started. And only this machine (I've had up to 5 online). Actually, one of
the accounts was sending out correctly but that changed when I renamed the
account. :(

It wouldn't be reverse DNS that it's grabbing -- perhaps for
znet.com -- but sd is a completely different host and on a different
subnet.

The System Admin at one point wanted the headers in all notices,
which were coming from a list server here, to not have any reference to
anything other than zNET. I futzed around and got around most of it but I
didn't want to change the host or domain in the system files themselves. I
probably did something then. I just can't find the damn thing. (The
headers always included the point of origin. So, I stopped sending out
notices from here.)

Thanks,
Michael

> ---Andy
>
>
>
> >
> > I'm sure that at some point I've told pine to use sd.znet.com but
> > I've looked in all the usual places and see no mention of it anywhere.
> >
> > Any further help will be appreciated.
> >
>
>

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:56:20 -0700 (MST)
> From: [email protected]
> To: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
>=20
> Am 16. Jun, 2000 schw=E4zte Michael Cooley so:
>=20
> >=20
> > =09All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
> > the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....
> >=20
> > X-Sender: [email protected]
> > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> >=20
> > =09This exists on all accounts--anything sent out using pine. And I
> > don't want it there. Undoubtedly, I did something to cause it but I wil=
l
> > soon no longer be a zNET employee and need to remove it.
> >=20
> > =09I've checked and installed a clean copy of
> > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf as well as each individual copy of .pinerc to =
no
> > avail. But, obviously, something, somewhere is picking it up.=20
> >=20
> > =09This is from .pine-debug* ....
> >=20
> > Fullname: "Michael Cooley"
> > User domain name being used "newsummer.com"
> > Local Domain name being used "znet.com"
> > Host name being used "sd.znet.com"
> > Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"newsummer.com"
>=20
> What's the output of "hostname"?

mail:~# hostname
mail

# cat /etc/HOSTNAME
mail.orbitmail.com

> Is your smpt server set to not be znet?

mail:~# grep smtp-server /usr/local/lib/pine.conf /home/*/.pinerc
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf:smtp-server=3D
/home/admin1/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/chat/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/emcee/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/events/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/galen/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/lonnie/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/mcooley/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/michael/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/orbit/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/pettit/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/sctc/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/spam/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/support/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D
/home/znet/.pinerc:smtp-server=3D

> Are you explicity setting domain name and such in pine.conf? Do you have =
a
> pine.fixed.conf?

=09Nope....

mail:/etc# find / -name pine.fixed.conf -print
mail:/etc#

> Make sure /usr/local/lib/pine.conf is the one being used
> and that your not picking up pine.conf or pine.fixed.conf from somewhere
> you're not suspecting.

=09I've also searched the entire system for pine.conf and see none
other than the one in /usr/local/lib.=20
=20
> Short term you might be able to throw and outgoing filter on it that woul=
d
> correct the domains on those headers.

=09Can that be done with Pine? I'll take a look.

Thanks,
Michael

> ciao,
>=20
> der.hans
> --=20
> # [email protected] home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> # Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans
>=20

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The hostname used in those two places comes from the same global variable
in pine, ps_global->hostname. That is set in init_hostname in pine/init.c.
It sets it by calling getdomainnames in pine/os.c. What that function does
is

gethostname(hname, len);
he = gethostbyname(hname);

Usually, he->h_name is the value used. If that doesn't have any dots in
it, pine tries to find an alias which does.

You ought to be able to construct a tiny test program which does those
same two calls to see if you can see where things are going wrong. Thanks.

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:

>
> All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
> the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....
>
> X-Sender: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>

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On 00-06-16 Andy Malato <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael Cooley wrote:
> > =09All outgoing messages on my server have lines that look like
> > the following .. all including @sd.znet.com.....
> >=20
> > X-Sender: [email protected]
> > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>=20
> Sorry buddy, tell that to the authors of PINE, this is a functionality of
> PINE itself and cannot be removed. As long as you keep using zdnet's
> servers to send mail that message will comeout as @zd.znet.com

One solution is to use Timothy J. Luoma's no-sender patch. I used
it to get ideas for how to change the source in this version of
Pine 4.21 that I'm using right now. If you look at the full
headers of this message, there should be no Sender or X-Sender
header and the Message-ID should not divulge the name of the
ii.com machine that I'm on right now. Tim's patches are available
here:

http://www.peak.org/%7Eluomat/patches/pine/

I've got links to this, and lots of other patches, in the page
listed in my sig.

^X,
Nancy

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Should the little green/red pine tree icon appear in the system tray using
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Am 16. Jun, 2000 schw�zte Michael Cooley so:

>
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> > Is your smpt server set to not be znet?
>
> mail:~# grep smtp-server /usr/local/lib/pine.conf /home/*/.pinerc
> /usr/local/lib/pine.conf:smtp-server=

What I meant was your MTA itself, e.g. sendmail. Then again, does the fact
that none of them have an smtp server set mean pine initiated the smtp
connection with the remote host? I think it defers to sendmail unless you
tell it otherwise.

> > Short term you might be able to throw and outgoing filter on it that would
> > correct the domains on those headers.
>
> Can that be done with Pine? I'll take a look.

There is stuff in the documentation which indicates to me that you can
use filters on mail as it leaves. I'm certain you can do that via your MTA
as well. I don't like doing that as I like to manually verify that
everything's fine ( since I make mistakes on an often enough basis :(.

I think Steve Hubert's recommendation looks like the best way to go,
though :).

ciao,

der.hans
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I've been using a crontab routine on my mailserver that checks to see if
the various mailfiles are empty and deletes them so they nolonger show in
the mailbox list. It works pretty good with the occasional "ACCESS
ERROR" that occurs when the mailbox is deleted as procmail writes to it.
Now I tried to make it better by also adding a -amin parameter to it
like so:

find '/home/skull/mail/Mailing Lists' -amin +5 -empty -exec rm -f {} \;

but it tends to delete instantly rather then wait 5 min. So I tried adding
it to the workstation to see what happens and it ends up placing the
nfs2000808400000002 file within the directory which then causes crontab
to report the following

rm: cannot unlink `/home/skull/mail/Mailing
Lists/.nfs2000820f0000000b': Device or resource busy

Anyone have any thoughts as to why or what is happening?

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On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:42:24 -0700 (MST)
> From: [email protected]
> To: Michael Cooley <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Customised header won't go away
>=20
> Am 16. Jun, 2000 schw=E4zte Michael Cooley so:
>=20
> >=20
> > On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 [email protected] wrote:
>=20
> > > Is your smpt server set to not be znet?
> >=20
> > mail:~# grep smtp-server /usr/local/lib/pine.conf /home/*/.pinerc
> > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf:smtp-server=3D
>=20
> What I meant was your MTA itself, e.g. sendmail. Then again, does the fac=
t
> that none of them have an smtp server set mean pine initiated the smtp
> connection with the remote host? I think it defers to sendmail unless you
> tell it otherwise.

=09I'm using qmail and that's set to use mail.orbitmail.com.

=09I've studied my outgoing messages and have been able to determine
a 7-minute timeframe on Nov 5th when the change happened. Judging from my
emails, I was trying to fix a timestamp problem and said something about
writing a script that pipes to sendmail. But I can't find anything. :(

Thanks,
Michael
=20
> > > Short term you might be able to throw and outgoing filter on it that =
would
> > > correct the domains on those headers.
> >=20
> > =09Can that be done with Pine? I'll take a look.
>=20
> There is stuff in the documentation which indicates to me that you can
> use filters on mail as it leaves. I'm certain you can do that via your MT=
A
> as well. I don't like doing that as I like to manually verify that
> everything's fine ( since I make mistakes on an often enough basis :(.
>=20
> I think Steve Hubert's recommendation looks like the best way to go,
> though :).
>=20
> ciao,
>=20
> der.hans
> --=20
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>=20
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, S.Toms wrote:
> I've been using a crontab routine on my mailserver that checks to see if
>the various mailfiles are empty and deletes them so they nolonger show in
>the mailbox list. It works pretty good with the occasional "ACCESS
>ERROR" that occurs when the mailbox is deleted as procmail writes to it.

I would rather create a shellskript (or similar) that does access checks
(locks the file before removal and such things)...

find is not that good at checking mailboxes...

>but it tends to delete instantly rather then wait 5 min. So I tried adding
>it to the workstation to see what happens and it ends up placing the
>.nfs2000808400000002 file within the directory which then causes crontab
>to report the following

If your workstations clock and servers clock is not in sync with each
other then you can't really depend on that small amount of time...
(When the workstations say that it's now the server might think it was ten
minutes ago or so.)

But that .nfs* file you are seeing is a file that you've removed from a
nfsmounted directory and is opened by a program on some other server or
workstation...

You shouldn't remove that.

Another thing when dealing with nfsmounted directories you can't depend on
the filetimes as good as if it was a local time. NFS caches the writes and
updates so that it surely isn't synced all of the time (unless you give
som optionflag to the mountcommand).

I don't have any suggestion that will solve your problem though, but you
might be able to raise the time to one hour or so.

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On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Emil Isberg wrote:

ei> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, S.Toms wrote:
ei> > I've been using a crontab routine on my mailserver that checks to see if
ei> >the various mailfiles are empty and deletes them so they nolonger show in
ei> >the mailbox list. It works pretty good with the occasional "ACCESS
ei> >ERROR" that occurs when the mailbox is deleted as procmail writes to it.
ei>
ei> I would rather create a shellskript (or similar) that does access checks
ei> (locks the file before removal and such things)...
ei>

Not sure how to do that, or if I do, I'm not understanding exactly what
you mean :)

ei> find is not that good at checking mailboxes...
ei>

True, but until I can come up with a better way, it'll have to do. It's
definately not the most eligent.

ei> >but it tends to delete instantly rather then wait 5 min. So I tried adding
ei> >it to the workstation to see what happens and it ends up placing the
ei> >.nfs2000808400000002 file within the directory which then causes crontab
ei> >to report the following
ei>
ei> If your workstations clock and servers clock is not in sync with each
ei> other then you can't really depend on that small amount of time...
ei> (When the workstations say that it's now the server might think it was ten
ei> minutes ago or so.)
ei>
Kinda thought that was the case when I read it after posting it, sure
enough, did a date check and the clocks were 10min off, I enabled xntpd to
sync the clocks so we'll see if that helps for the time being.

ei> But that .nfs* file you are seeing is a file that you've removed from a
ei> nfsmounted directory and is opened by a program on some other server or
ei> workstation...
ei>

You know, I didn;t even think about nfs being a problem, but that makes
perfect sense, especially considerign the name of the file.

ei> You shouldn't remove that.
ei>

well removing it was the only way to get rid of the crontab error, but I
had to do it manually.

ei> Another thing when dealing with nfsmounted directories you can't depend on
ei> the filetimes as good as if it was a local time. NFS caches the writes and
ei> updates so that it surely isn't synced all of the time (unless you give
ei> som optionflag to the mountcommand).
ei>

wasn't aware of that, I'll have to take a look at that too I guess.

ei> I don't have any suggestion that will solve your problem though, but you
ei> might be able to raise the time to one hour or so.
ei>

well you cleared some things up for me, so that was a big help
already. I'll see what I can come up with script wise, but hopefully
something turns up in pine in the near future that will take care of this
for us. I heard rumor of something that shows the message count in the
mailbox list or somethign to that affect.
Anyway, thanks for the reply.

ei>

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Hi guys,

i was wondering if there is some way to use roles to automatically change the
To: field while replying/composing new message to a mailing list, 95% of my
messages go to the mailing lists, and most of them have some specific header,
like X-Mailing-List, i would like the X-Mailing-List to be used in the
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Dingo.

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Hi there,

Does 'pine' have an option to save an incoming mail in a local folder
while, at the same time, forwards the message automatically to another
address?

All the best,

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I have recently started to experiment with using Pine to filter my
incoming mail. I find I can do everything I wish with it, but there
seems to be an unexpected side effect.

Messages are either left in INBOX or filtered to other incoming
folders. However, trying to scan the incoming folders for new mails
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the next new mail or using the select feature on the folder list.

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Am 19. Jun, 2000 schw�zte Holland Cheng so:

>
> Hi there,
>
> Does 'pine' have an option to save an incoming mail in a local folder
> while, at the same time, forwards the message automatically to another
> address?

According to
http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/config.html#filter-config (2nd
paragraph under "Filtering Configuration") it can't send mail to an
external address.

It's really better to use a mail filter or your .forward for that.

ciao,

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Am 19. Jun, 2000 schw�zte Barry Landy so:

> I have recently started to experiment with using Pine to filter my
> incoming mail. I find I can do everything I wish with it, but there
> seems to be an unexpected side effect.
>
> Messages are either left in INBOX or filtered to other incoming
> folders. However, trying to scan the incoming folders for new mails
> never shows any up. This is true whether I am using the TAB key to find
> the next new mail or using the select feature on the folder list.

Did you set the incoming-folders variable in your .pinerc?

Do you mean that you're opening the folder and there's no mail in it, even
though mail is being filtered into it?

Can you look at the mail folder from a command line and see if there's any
mail in it?

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On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 [email protected] wrote:

:>Am 19. Jun, 2000 schw=E4zte Barry Landy so:
:>
:>> I have recently started to experiment with using Pine to filter my
:>> incoming mail. I find I can do everything I wish with it, but there
:>> seems to be an unexpected side effect.=20
:>>=20
:>> Messages are either left in INBOX or filtered to other incoming
:>> folders. However, trying to scan the incoming folders for new mails
:>> never shows any up. This is true whether I am using the TAB key to find
:>> the next new mail or using the select feature on the folder list.
:>
:>Did you set the incoming-folders variable in your .pinerc?

You mean "enable incoming folders" ? yes, that is set.=20

:>
:>Do you mean that you're opening the folder and there's no mail in it, eve=
n
:>though mail is being filtered into it?

No - I mean what I said. Neither TAB nor explicit selection commands
(all folders with more than zero messages, for example) work. I can
certainly see the mail when I explictly open the folder.

I should perhaps have made clear that I previously did the same
filtering at the server (using exim) and that then the incoming-folder
stuff worked fine.

:>
:>Can you look at the mail folder from a command line and see if there's an=
y
:>mail in it?
:>
:>ciao,
:>
:>der.hans
:>

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On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Holland Cheng wrote:

hc>
hc> Hi there,
hc>
hc> Does 'pine' have an option to save an incoming mail in a local folder
hc> while, at the same time, forwards the message automatically to another
hc> address?
hc>

Sounds like what your really looking for is procmail, for example, the
following will take an email message and send a copy of it to another
address

:0c
! [email protected]

hc>
hc> All the best,
hc>
hc> Holland
hc>
hc>
hc> R Holland Cheng, Ph.D.
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hc> Halsovagen 7, 14157 Huddinge, SWEDEN. http://www.csb.ki.se/kisv
hc>
hc>
hc>

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It appears that whenever Pine prints a message containing plain text, it uses
word wrapping that assumes 80 columns printable. Since not every printer in
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purchase orders or other forms) must be printed without wrapping, it would be
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Am 19. Jun, 2000 schw�zte Barry Landy so:

> You mean "enable incoming folders" ? yes, that is set.

No, I mean the "incoming-folders=" list. I've got 20 or 30 folders there
:). They're the ones that <tab> checks. Forgot about enabling
enable-incoming-folders as well :).

> I should perhaps have made clear that I previously did the same
> filtering at the server (using exim) and that then the incoming-folder
> stuff worked fine.

Hmm, that's wierd. I would think the setup would still work. Maybe if
pine's filtering the messages it doesn't see them as new when you
<tab>. That would seem a bug to me if that's what were happening...

Use exim to filter one type of mail and see if <tab> finds that folder
when you get new mail.

ciao,

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Byron Dolan wrote:

> Should the little green/red pine tree icon appear in the system tray using
> version 4.21 on Windows 2000 Pro? I've checked three different Win2K
> systems and it doesn't appear on any of them. Thanks.

In (M)ain->(S)etup->(C)onfig, check the enable-tray-icon feature.

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On Jun 19, 2000 at 00:30, Petr [Dingo] Dvorak wrote:

>i was wondering if there is some way to use roles to automatically change the
>To: field while replying/composing new message to a mailing list, 95% of my

While replying, the Reply-to field is set. I use the addressbook to set
the address as well as the Fcc. So you can use an address "pine" which can
be made to expand to "Pine Discussion Forum
<[email protected]>". If you are already doing this, then this is
a null question.

>messages go to the mailing lists, and most of them have some specific header,
>like X-Mailing-List, i would like the X-Mailing-List to be used in the
>replies.

Now if you want it automated to that extent, you could *maybe* use
procmail to mangle a Reply-to header from the Mailing-List header.

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Hi,

i tried to make the pine to use 16 colors in linux text console, and i can't
get it working, only 8 colors work doesn't matter what i do, the pine is
version 4.21 running on debian 2.2.5, TERM TERMINFO and TERMCAP is set to
'linux', i've recompiled the pine to use TERMCAP instead TERMINFO, and modified
the /etc/termcap file to this:

linux|linux console:\
:am:eo:mi:ms:xn:xo:\
:it#8:\
:AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:IC=\E[%d@:K2=\E[G:al=\E[L:\
:bl=^G:cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:cr=^M:\
:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ct=\E[3g:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:do=^J:ec=\E[%dX:\
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:k3=\E[[C:k4=\E[[D:k5=\E[[E:k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:k8=\E[19~:\
:k9=\E[20~:kD=\E[3~:kI=\E[2~:kN=\E[6~:kP=\E[5~:kb=\177:\
:kd=\E[B:kh=\E[1~:kl=\E[D:kr=\E[C:ku=\E[A:le=^H:mh=\E[2m:\
:mr=\E[7m:nd=\E[C:nw=^M^J:rc=\E8:sc=\E7:se=\E[27m:sf=^J:\
:sr=\EM:st=\EH:ta=^I:ue=\E[24m:up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:\
:vb=200\E[?5h\E[?5l:ve=\E[?25h:vi=\E[?25l:\
:Co#16:AF=\E[%i%i%>\001\034%>\045\064%dm:\
:AB=\E[%i%i%>\001\046%>\057\064%dm:\
:op=\E[39;49m:\
:ut:

i tried both, force-ansi-16color and use-termdef options but it still shows
only 8 colors, can someone please help me with this and tell me what else i
have to change to make it work ?

Thanks,
Dingo.

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Satya wrote:

->>i was wondering if there is some way to use roles to automatically change the
->>To: field while replying/composing new message to a mailing list, 95% of my
->
->While replying, the Reply-to field is set. I use the addressbook to set
->the address as well as the Fcc. So you can use an address "pine" which can
->be made to expand to "Pine Discussion Forum
-><[email protected]>". If you are already doing this, then this is
->a null question.

nod, i'm doing that, but the problem is that i'm a very forgetfull so half of
the times i send the message to a person instead to a list. :)

->>messages go to the mailing lists, and most of them have some specific header,
->>like X-Mailing-List, i would like the X-Mailing-List to be used in the
->>replies.
->
->Now if you want it automated to that extent, you could *maybe* use
->procmail to mangle a Reply-to header from the Mailing-List header.

thanks, i will look into it and try to figure it out.

Dingo.

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Hi to all.

In our network at the Autonomous University of Yucatan, Mexico, we works
with PINE. Two weeks ago we had a problems...the usres say his sessions
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the link down and the session with pine also.

Please if somebody can send me comments, thanks in advance.

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Umm, i'm not sure if this is intended feature, but going to setup/news password
is trying to invoke shell 'passwd' command which would change the shell
password, i may be wrong, but i thought that 'news password' would be an option
where i can set my [remote] news servers password, not my shell password ?

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> Umm, i'm not sure if this is intended feature, but going to setup/news
> password is trying to invoke shell 'passwd' command which would change
> the shell password, i may be wrong, but i thought that 'news password'
> would be an option where i can set my [remote] news servers password,
> not my shell password ?

Umm where do you see "news password"? All I can see (Pine 4.21) is "New
Password" which as far as I can remember was always a feature to change my
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, ADAM Sulmicki wrote:

->
->> Umm, i'm not sure if this is intended feature, but going to setup/news
->> password is trying to invoke shell 'passwd' command which would change
->> the shell password, i may be wrong, but i thought that 'news password'
->> would be an option where i can set my [remote] news servers password,
->> not my shell password ?
->
->Umm where do you see "news password"? All I can see (Pine 4.21) is "New
->Password" which as far as I can remember was always a feature to change my
->unix (login) password.

oops ;) maybe i should take some reading lessons or atleast get me some glases
:)

Dingo.

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Hi,

I'm new to PINE-INFO, but have been using Pine since about 1995.

There's a feature I've always wanted to see in Pine: highlighting (via
terminal manipulation, or even a simple `*') of folders in the folder list
that contain new messages since the folder was last visited.

I use procmail to filter my mail into separate mailboxes and every day I
have to manually scan each folder for new messages. If I could see which
folders had new mail at a glance, it'd be great!

Thoughts?

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

->There's a feature I've always wanted to see in Pine: highlighting (via
->terminal manipulation, or even a simple `*') of folders in the folder list
->that contain new messages since the folder was last visited.
->
->I use procmail to filter my mail into separate mailboxes and every day I
->have to manually scan each folder for new messages. If I could see which
->folders had new mail at a glance, it'd be great!

yeah, that would be cool, even if we can use the TAB key to cycle thru the
folders, there is still some mail folders what i like to read first, and this
would definitively help.

Dingo.

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Re,

well i tried about every terminal emulation what i can think of to get the 16
colors working and still no dice, would someone kindly point me to the list of
terminals what do work in 16 colors ?

Thanks,

Dingo.

PS: i would like to ask if the force_16_colors feature could be changed so it
really forces the 16 colors ?

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Try using

; P <ENTER>

Folders with new msgs will be marked... ;)

00.06.21 at 15:01, [email protected] babbled of:

BE>Hi,
BE>
BE>I'm new to PINE-INFO, but have been using Pine since about 1995.
BE>
BE>There's a feature I've always wanted to see in Pine: highlighting (via
BE>terminal manipulation, or even a simple `*') of folders in the folder list
BE>that contain new messages since the folder was last visited.
BE>
BE>I use procmail to filter my mail into separate mailboxes and every day I
BE>have to manually scan each folder for new messages. If I could see which
BE>folders had new mail at a glance, it'd be great!
BE>
BE>Thoughts?
BE>
BE>---
BE>Ben Elliston
BE>[email protected]
BE>
BE>

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*** William Maddler ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Try using
:)
:) ; P <ENTER>
:)
:) Folders with new msgs will be marked... ;)

This is not quite true, this does not work in the Incoming Folders
Collection, it works, however, for folders in the /mail collection list
(although the command is ; P N <enter>. There are more options so make
sure you read the menu at the bottom after every time you press a key).

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Petr [Dingo] Dvorak wrote:

> Re,
>
> well i tried about every terminal emulation what i can think of to get the 16
> colors working and still no dice, would someone kindly point me to the list of
> terminals what do work in 16 colors ?

>From the Pine kelp on color setup:

Many terminal emulators know about the same eight colors above plus
eight more. This
option attempts to use all 16 colors. The same escape sequences as for
the eight-color
terminal are used for the first eight colors. The escape sequences used
to set
foreground colors 8-15 are the same as for 0-7 except the "3" is
replaced with a "9".
The background color sequences for colors 8-15 are the same as for 0-7
except the "4"
is replaced with "10". You can tell if the 16 colors are working by
turning on this
option and then going into one of the color configuration screens, for
example, the
configuration screen for Normal Color. If you see 16 different colors to
select from,
it's working.

As the author of a terminal emulator, I can say I have never seen this scheme
(although we might be able to add it to our product). I'd be very interested
whether anyone has this working.

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Bob Rasmussen wrote:

->> well i tried about every terminal emulation what i can think of to get the 16
->> colors working and still no dice, would someone kindly point me to the list of
->> terminals what do work in 16 colors ?
->
->>From the Pine kelp on color setup:
->
-> Many terminal emulators know about the same eight colors above plus
-=[Snip]=-
-> Color. If you see 16 different colors to select from, it's working.
->
->As the author of a terminal emulator, I can say I have never seen this scheme
->(although we might be able to add it to our product). I'd be very interested
->whether anyone has this working.

I've spent last 3 days grepping thru the pine source looking for some clues how
to force the pine display the 16 fore colors, and modifying terminfo/termcap to
the specifications in tech-notes doc file, and experimenting with the pine, but
i still don't see any way how to make it work, not even talking about not
finding any way to save more than 8 colors in .pinerc. Linux console does
support the 16 foreground color, pine even uses them to highlight the url's
[bright white] and stuff, i'm begining to thing that the color feature is
either unfinished or it has a bug in it.

Dingo.

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It works with xterm on Linux (Redhat6.1) and FreeBSD (which is probably
the same xterm, I suppose). I believe ncurses supports it. Ncurses has a
terminfo entry called xterm-16color which looks like it is doing this.
There is a comment about aixterm using this method.

I've attached a file which contains the escape codes pine uses for ansi
color. If, when you "cat" it in your terminal emulator, you get 16
distinct colors, then pine's force-ansi-16color will work. If there are
only 8 colors, then pine's force-ansi-8color will work. If you use the
force-ansi color-styles you don't have to set up the termcap entry.

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Bob Rasmussen wrote:

> From the Pine kelp on color setup:
>
> Many terminal emulators know about the same eight colors above plus
> eight more. This
> option attempts to use all 16 colors. The same escape sequences as for
> the eight-color
> terminal are used for the first eight colors. The escape sequences used
> to set
> foreground colors 8-15 are the same as for 0-7 except the "3" is
> replaced with a "9".
> The background color sequences for colors 8-15 are the same as for 0-7
> except the "4"
> is replaced with "10". You can tell if the 16 colors are working by
> turning on this
> option and then going into one of the color configuration screens, for
> example, the
> configuration screen for Normal Color. If you see 16 different colors to
> select from,
> it's working.
>
> As the author of a terminal emulator, I can say I have never seen this scheme
> (although we might be able to add it to our product). I'd be very interested
> whether anyone has this working.

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Would anybody else like to have the filter rules enhanced in such a way so
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Yes, Ed, this is quite possible. For example, I use Lynx for this on my
Unix shell. First of all, create a file called .mailcap (note the leading
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Text/html; lynx -force_html -underscore -dump %s ; copiousoutput

Next, in the configuration, be sure that "Enable-msg-view-attachments" is
checked.

Be sure that the URL-viewers field contains the full path to your copy of
Lynx.

Now, when you press V on a message and again on the HTML attachment, you
should be able to view it properly. If I've missed anything, I hope
someone will supplement this.

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Another suggestion:

How about the ability to select messages less than or greater than a certain
size (in kilobytes, perhaps?).

I routinely want to dump all of the messages over, say, 100KB from my
mailing list folders, since they obviously contain attachments.

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As a workaround, you can first sort by size, and then select a range of
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Ben Elliston wrote:

> Another suggestion:
>
> How about the ability to select messages less than or greater than a certain
> size (in kilobytes, perhaps?).
>
> I routinely want to dump all of the messages over, say, 100KB from my
> mailing list folders, since they obviously contain attachments.
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> Ben
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Hello,

I am using both Pine and PC-Pine (one at home and the other in my school
shell).

When I display my sent-mail folder in Pine it displays the To: field in
the index. When I display my sent-mail folder in PC-PINE it displays my
name in the index and I would like to see the To: field.

How can I configure this? - i have tried to compare both .pinerc's and
make them as close to the same as possible and yet i doesn't work.

Thanks in advanced...

raju

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*** Raju Mansukhlal Shah ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) When I display my sent-mail folder in Pine it displays the To: field in
:) the index. When I display my sent-mail folder in PC-PINE it displays my
:) name in the index and I would like to see the To: field.

Raju,

Try adding to your pinerc in PC-PINE in the alt-addresses configuration
option all addresses that you use to compose messages, so if you use
[email protected] add

alt-addresses = [email protected]

that should fix it.

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Thanks,

that worked like a champ!

On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

> *** Raju Mansukhlal Shah ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) When I display my sent-mail folder in Pine it displays the To: field in
> :) the index. When I display my sent-mail folder in PC-PINE it displays my
> :) name in the index and I would like to see the To: field.
>
> Raju,
>
> Try adding to your pinerc in PC-PINE in the alt-addresses configuration
> option all addresses that you use to compose messages, so if you use
> [email protected] add
>
> alt-addresses = [email protected]
>
> that should fix it.
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>
>

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Hi all,
I seem to have a wierd problem opening jpg files on my PC with my
PC. I can open any graphic file with a different registered extension,
except jpg. (I use Paint Shop Pro 4.x to view them) The odd thing is, I
can open the file with any other mail client (e.g. Eudora 4.3.2) and Paint
Shop Pro. Just not jpg and PC-Pine. Any hints? I'm really stumped, as
the registry entries appear nearly identical for, say, bmp and jpg. The
error I get is "The file type of this file is unknown" in PSP. Also, I
can save the file and open it with no problem. It just doesn't want to
open from PC-Pine.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Robert

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email protected]>
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I've discovered a rather strange behavior (in 4.21 and 4.30 Alpha) when
using the addressbook-formats field to specify what is displayed when you
view your address book. According to the help text:

To get the default behavior you could list

addressbook-formats=3DNICKNAME=A0FULLNAME=A0ADDRESS

However, if I copy and paste (using Tera Term) that string
(NICKNAME=A0FULLNAME=A0ADDRESS) into the addressbook-formats=3D field, it o=
nly
displays the nickname. If I instead type them all out, it displays fine.
I spaces are apparently the culprit. When I copy and paste them into Word
and put it in view-everything mode, it identifies them as non-breaking
spaces. But if I go into the help screen and resize my screen to force
that line to wrap, it wraps like this:

addressbook-formats=3DNICKNAME=A0FULLNAME
ADDRESS

So apparently the non-breaking spaces don't do any good. Is there any
reason to keep them there?

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Can anyone point me to the best description of integrating Pine with
PGP? I've seen some really clunky solutions in the past.

Thanks.

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This patch is currently necesarry to build pine - fgetpos is defined,
so it should work everywhere. The fgetpos.non functions, OTOH, does not
compile with CVS gcc (which is rather picky on non-correct ways to do
things)

diff -uNr pine4.21.orig/pine/makefile.lnx pine4.21/pine/makefile.lnx
--- pine4.21.orig/pine/makefile.lnx Mon Mar 8 18:20:41 1999
+++ pine4.21/pine/makefile.lnx Wed Jun 14 12:05:52 2000
@@ -120,7 +120,7 @@
osdep/os-lnx.c: osdep/bld_path osdep/canacces osdep/canonicl \
osdep/chnge_pw osdep/coredump osdep/creatdir \
osdep/diskquot.non osdep/domnames osdep/err_desc \
- osdep/expnfldr osdep/fgetpos.non osdep/filesize osdep/fltrname \
+ osdep/expnfldr osdep/fgetpos osdep/filesize osdep/fltrname \
osdep/fnexpand osdep/header osdep/hostname \
osdep/jobcntrl osdep/lstcmpnt osdep/mimedisp osdep/pipe \
osdep/print osdep/pw_stuff osdep/readfile osdep/debuging.tim \
diff -uNr pine4.21.orig/pine/osdep/os-lnx.ic pine4.21/pine/osdep/os-lnx.ic
--- pine4.21.orig/pine/osdep/os-lnx.ic Mon Nov 3 15:44:34 1997
+++ pine4.21/pine/osdep/os-lnx.ic Wed Jun 14 14:11:13 2000
@@ -105,7 +105,7 @@

; Most systems have the ANSI fgetpos and fsetpos functions. For those,
; use fgetpos. If a system doesn't have it use fgetpos.non.
-include(fgetpos.non)
+include(fgetpos)

; These functions are similar to popen(), but allow both an input stream
; and an output buffer.
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Red Hat, Inc.
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From: Jacob Morzinski <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> addressbook-formats=3DNICKNAME=A0FULLNAME=A0ADDRESS
>=20
> However, if I copy and paste (using Tera Term) that string
> (NICKNAME=A0FULLNAME=A0ADDRESS) into the addressbook-formats=3D field, it=
only
> displays the nickname. If I instead type them all out, it displays fine.

This is probably because when you type, you use a space, as the
documentation (two lines lower) says you should. When you
copy-and-paste, your terminal program grabs the non-breaking-spaces
that the html-help authors put between the words and pine doesn't
know how to interpret them.

I don't know whether to argue that the html help is wrong in
using " " where it means " ", or to argue that pine's html
renderer is wrong to output a 0xA0 character instead of 0x20 when
it sees "&nbsp". I lean towards arguing that the latter is wrong.
But it is the combination of these factors which prevents people
from copy-and-pasting code from the on-line help.

Sincerely,
Jacob Morzinski [email protected]

=3D=3D=3D Excerpt from pine.hlp: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
So, for example, to get the default behavior you could list

<P>
<CENTER>addressbook-formats=3DNICKNAME FULLNAME ADDRESS</CENTER>

<P>
(You can also use the token DEFAULT to get the default behavior for
an address book format.)

<P>
The tokens are separated by spaces.

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probably someone asked about it before but I could not find that. Please
forgive. The problem is I cant download(permanently) my messages to
\mail
folder to read them offline. It's annoying. can it
be fixed ? and if it is, how to do that? please do let me know.

regards

radek
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