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Sorry, this didn't get through first time...

> Hi,
> I've managed to set up PC Pine with my pop server at University, but I
> would like to be able to use the same folders etc. as my remote Unix
> Pine account. I've also copied the .addressbook file (and renamed it
> addrbook), but I'd rather I could properly synchronise the two.
>
> Is this possible? I'm assuming I'll need extra software to be able to
> access the unix folders (sent mail, saved messages etc.) from the
> Windows side of things (or does PC-Pine have these capabilities
> inbuilt?)
>
> Also, whenever I use PC-Pine to access the inbox, it states that all
> messages are new, when they're not. Is there anyway around this?
>
> Thanks very much,
> George

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It sounds like your University doesn't have an IMAP server, or if they do,
you're not using it. Using IMAP, you can access the same mail folders
from any mail client anywhere, and you can even put your address book up
and access it, too.

Pine was designed for IMAP, so see if your University has an IMAP server.
If so, I'd strongly suggest using it.

For more info on setting up PC-Pine, including how to put your address
book on an IMAP server, check out Nancy's excellent page at:
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Mr GeorgioFattyO'Cretin wrote:

> Sorry, this didn't get through first time...
>
> > Hi,
> > I've managed to set up PC Pine with my pop server at University, but I
> > would like to be able to use the same folders etc. as my remote Unix
> > Pine account. I've also copied the .addressbook file (and renamed it
> > addrbook), but I'd rather I could properly synchronise the two.
> >
> > Is this possible? I'm assuming I'll need extra software to be able to
> > access the unix folders (sent mail, saved messages etc.) from the
> > Windows side of things (or does PC-Pine have these capabilities
> > inbuilt?)
> >
> > Also, whenever I use PC-Pine to access the inbox, it states that all
> > messages are new, when they're not. Is there anyway around this?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > George
>
>
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All,

Is there a command in Pine that works like the emacs "fill paragraph"?
That is, when I go back and add text in the middle of a paragraph, and end
up with short lines, is there a command to modify the text so that it
appears as it would if I had typed it directly, without corrections?

Seth Kurtzberg
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*** Seth Kurtzberg wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Is there a command in Pine that works like the emacs "fill paragraph"?
:) That is, when I go back and add text in the middle of a paragraph, and end
:) up with short lines, is there a command to modify the text so that it
:) appears as it would if I had typed it directly, without corrections?
:)

Yes and not. There is a command to Justify a paragraph (^J). This command
will justify correctly quoted text, but only the first level of quoting,
other levels get messed. It also assumes that every line in the same
paragraph (except the first) has a character (different from blank) in the
first column. Otherwise the complete paragraph won't get completely
justified. If you believe that Pico did not justify correctly a paragraph
you can undo it pressing ^U. The catch is that this command works only if
you do it exactly after pressing ^J, otherwise ^U is mapped to Uncut Text
and pressing that by mistake may make things worse for you.

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Hi,

I am sure this is not really a problem with pine, but I get these error
messages when I run pin 4.21 on my solaris 2.5:

When I start pine, I get the message:

[Incomplete maildomain "asteria".]

asteria is my hostname.

Then after a few seconds, I get this message:

[Return address in mail you send may be incorrect.]

In the return address, the name of the host gets put in. So
my return address becomes: [email protected]. Now, if the
receiver of my mail tries to reply to this address, the reply
bounces and is not delivered to me.

BTW: I am sending this email from dtmail, the sun's email reader.

Any help would be appreciated.

[email protected]
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BTW, I'm using Pine with Pico since a long time, but never had
success trying to mark some lines of text to remove them later.
I looked at the help for this, but the key sequence didn't
work. ^^ isn't working for me. Any hints? Or any way to make it
more user friendly, say, change this binding?

Thanks in advance.

On 2000-03-01 (Yesterday) at 18:03 -0800, Eduardo Chappa L. typed:

| *** Seth Kurtzberg wrote in the pine-info list today:
|=20
| :) Is there a command in Pine that works like the emacs "fill paragraph"?
| :) That is, when I go back and add text in the middle of a paragraph, and=
end
| :) up with short lines, is there a command to modify the text so that it
| :) appears as it would if I had typed it directly, without corrections?
|=20
| Yes and not. There is a command to Justify a paragraph (^J).
(more)

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On Mar 1, 2000 at 19:05, [email protected] wrote:

> I am sure this is not really a problem with pine, but I get these error
> messages when I run pin 4.21 on my solaris 2.5:
>
> When I start pine, I get the message:
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> [Incomplete maildomain "asteria".]
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> asteria is my hostname.

In pine setup, set userdomain to laratech.com and be sure to read the
associated help text.

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^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your cursor, and then
you can use ^K to cut the text. Does that work?

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Frederic L. W. Meunier wrote:

> BTW, I'm using Pine with Pico since a long time, but never had
> success trying to mark some lines of text to remove them later.
> I looked at the help for this, but the key sequence didn't
> work. ^^ isn't working for me. Any hints? Or any way to make it
> more user friendly, say, change this binding?

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*** Scott Leibrand wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) ^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your cursor, and then
:) you can use ^K to cut the text. Does that work?
:)

If that did not work try setting your character set to iso-8859-1 and
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> ^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your cursor, and then
> you can use ^K to cut the text.

Interesting, I alwasy used Ctrl-6 and it worked for me, even though
it technically is ^6.

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On 2000-03-01 (Yesterday) at 21:08 -0800, Scott Leibrand typed:

| ^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your
| cursor, and then you can use ^K to cut the text. Does that
| work?

No. If I press Ctrl+Shift+6 simultaneously, when I move the
cursor for the first time it stays in the same place. When I
move it again it works. But it's not marking the text. It's
very strange. I tried a lot. All keys are working on other
applications. I use Pine with XTerm 127.

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On 2000-03-01 (Yesterday) at 21:20 -0800, Eduardo Chappa L. typed:

| *** Scott Leibrand wrote in the pine-info list today:
|=20
| :) ^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your cursor, and =
then
| :) you can use ^K to cut the text. Does that work?
| :)=20
|=20
| If that did not work try setting your character set to iso-8859-1 and
| pressing ESC-ESC-shift-6.

I tried with this too. I need to press ESC, ESC, and shift+6?
When I do that I get a beep and [B is printed after the second
move of the cursor. If I select some lines of text and use ^K
it only deletes the actual line. Hmm, my system may be
misconfigured?

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*** Frederic L. W. Meunier wrote in the pine-info list on Mar 2, 2000:

:) | If that did not work try setting your character set to iso-8859-1 and
:) | pressing ESC-ESC-shift-6.
:)
:) I tried with this too. I need to press ESC, ESC, and shift+6?

yes, that's what you need to do. Do you have pine set up so that your
charset is iso-8859-1?

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hahaha, Ctrl-6 works! ^6 isn't the same? Thanks all. I just
don't know why we have to use different keys. But it's working.

On 2000-03-02 (Today) at 00:21 -0500, ADAM Sulmicki typed:

| > ^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your cursor, and t=
hen
| > you can use ^K to cut the text.
|=20
| Interesting, I alwasy used Ctrl-6 and it worked for me, even though
| it technically is ^6.

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On 2000-03-01 (Yesterday) at 21:37 -0800, Eduardo Chappa L. typed:

| *** Frederic L. W. Meunier wrote in the pine-info list on Mar 2, 2000:
|=20
| :) | If that did not work try setting your character set to iso-8859-1 an=
d
| :) | pressing ESC-ESC-shift-6.
| :)=20
| :) I tried with this too. I need to press ESC, ESC, and shift+6?
|=20
| yes, that's what you need to do. Do you have pine set up so that your
| charset is iso-8859-1?

Yes (I'm a Brazilian-French). But it's working now with
Ctrl-6. Thanks.

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, ADAM Sulmicki wrote:

> > ^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your cursor, and then
> > you can use ^K to cut the text.
>
> Interesting, I alwasy used Ctrl-6 and it worked for me, even though
> it technically is ^6.

Same here, at least in Xterm. I'm not sure about telnet window (vt100).
Also, I can use ^2 instead of ^@ and ^- instead of ^_. In other words,
the shift key is not needed for these commands.

Mike

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On Mar 2, 2000 at 01:05, Frederic L. W. Meunier wrote:

> work. ^^ isn't working for me. Any hints? Or any way to make it
> more user friendly, say, change this binding?

Try ESC-ESC-(Shift+6). That's two escapes followed by a shifted 6. That's
assuming your ^ is on the 6.

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On Mar 2, 2000 at 00:21, ADAM Sulmicki wrote:

> Interesting, I alwasy used Ctrl-6 and it worked for me, even though
> it technically is ^6.

ctrl-6 and ^6 are the same. I would like to note that I now use ^6 instead
of esc esc shift-6. ^6 used to not work on my dialup on a vt102 emulator
but works on my linux console with pine's charset set to iso-8859-1 (dunno
what happens with us-ascii, which is what it used to be, on linux and the
vt102 emu). ^^ still doesn't work. Pine 4.10 here.

Note that setting a mark and typing will simultaneously type and select.

Point of interest: esc is same as ^[, so ^[ ^[ followed by shift-6 also
works. UI if you have a really weird terminal emulator.

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One of my users wishes to set the content-tpe header to text/enriched so
that she can use <bold> this is in bold </bold> to embolden text (and
if you did not see the meta-symbols and only boldened text, the meta
symbols were "<"bold">" and "<"/bold">" ).

We have several versions of Pine around: it seems as though 3.95/3.96
permits setting Customised-headers to Content-type: text/enriched but
modern versions (4.10 and 4.21) give an error message "not allowed to
change header "Content-type"".

Is this deliberate?
have I missed something?
Is there some other way to achieve this effect?

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*** Barry Landy wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) One of my users wishes to set the content-tpe header to text/enriched
:) Is there some other way to achieve this effect?
:)
Dear Barry,

There is a way to accomplish this, I posted this message to this list a
few months ago and here I am reposting it again. Notice that this allows
you to change the content-type header to text/html etc...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Quoted text"

Here's the way to do it. You have to follow several steps in order to make
this work.

First you have to create a script, say we call it mime_types. Your file
mime_types should say something like this:

#!/bin/sh
echo "Content-Type:text/html" > $2

[note: You may need to replace echo by "echo -n"]

remember to give yourself execution permission for this file.

Then you should go to your configuration file, and where it says
sending-filters it should say:

sending-filters=/full/path/to/myme_types _TMPFILE_ _MIMETYPE_

This is enough to accomplish the task, but you should continue to the next
step anyway.

After you do this take a look at the following configuration option:

[ ] compose-send-offers-first-filter

and read its help in order to understand what it does. I have it checked.
Somehow, I could not change Charset to iso-8859-1, which was something I
wanted, it always uses US-ASCII

End of "Quoted text"
------------------------

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This advice is based on the unix version of pine. What about PC-pine?

The other problem is that the regime in which the mail is processed is a
protected shell system, so users cannot obey scripts.

On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

:>*** Barry Landy wrote in the pine-info list today:
:>
:>:) One of my users wishes to set the content-tpe header to text/enriched
:>:) Is there some other way to achieve this effect?
:>:)
:>Dear Barry,
:>
:> There is a way to accomplish this, I posted this message to this list a
:>few months ago and here I am reposting it again. Notice that this allows
:>you to change the content-type header to text/html etc...
:>
:>------------------------------------------------------------------------
:>"Quoted text"
:>
:>Here's the way to do it. You have to follow several steps in order to make
:>this work.
:>
:>First you have to create a script, say we call it mime_types. Your file
:>mime_types should say something like this:
:>
:>#!/bin/sh
:>echo "Content-Type:text/html" > $2
:>
:>[note: You may need to replace echo by "echo -n"]
:>
:>remember to give yourself execution permission for this file.
:>
:>Then you should go to your configuration file, and where it says
:>sending-filters it should say:
:>
:>sending-filters=/full/path/to/myme_types _TMPFILE_ _MIMETYPE_
:>
:>This is enough to accomplish the task, but you should continue to the next
:>step anyway.
:>
:>After you do this take a look at the following configuration option:
:>
:> [ ] compose-send-offers-first-filter
:>
:>and read its help in order to understand what it does. I have it checked.
:>Somehow, I could not change Charset to iso-8859-1, which was something I
:>wanted, it always uses US-ASCII
:>
:>End of "Quoted text"
:>------------------------
:>
:>Eduardo
:>http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>

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*** Barry Landy wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) This advice is based on the unix version of pine. What about PC-pine?
:)
:) The other problem is that the regime in which the mail is processed is a
:) protected shell system, so users cannot obey scripts.
:)

This is the only way to do it from within the program. Pine does not
provide another way to do it by itself. You can always try to postpone the
message and edit the headers of the postponed message, I do not know if
that will have the desired effect, but I assume it does.

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Hello:

I have decided to use Pine as my character interface MUA on a server running
IMAP. Mostly the installation works, but there are a few problems I am
struggling to resolve.

(I am using /var/spool/mail for incoming mail, the UW imapd, and qmail.)

1) By default, the Pine INBOX is read-only.
2) If I change the inbox-path variable to {localhost}inbox so that the Pine
inbox is *not* read-only, the rsh login attempt times out, after which Pine
asks me for the account password. Then and only then can I access the Inbox.
This is a pain. I'd like to have it automatically log-in.
3) Having done this, Pine now puts a sent-mail folder in /var/spool/mail,
something I don't want.

There has to be a better way to configure Pine for IMAP. Can anyone give me
any suggestions?

Finally, there is another issue -- how can I set the "user" so that my
reply-to address reflects my e-mail aliases instead of my login id?

Much thanks,

Stephen Bosch

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*** Stephen Bosch wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) 2) If I change the inbox-path variable to {localhost}inbox so that the Pine
:) inbox is *not* read-only, the rsh login attempt times out, after which Pine
:) asks me for the account password. Then and only then can I access the Inbox.
:) This is a pain. I'd like to have it automatically log-in.

In your .pinerc set rsh-open-timeout=0

:) 3) Having done this, Pine now puts a sent-mail folder in /var/spool/mail,
:) something I don't want.
:)

Redefine your default-fcc as

default-fcc=sent-mail

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On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Stephen Bosch wrote:

> 2) If I change the inbox-path variable to {localhost}inbox so that the Pine
> inbox is *not* read-only, the rsh login attempt times out, after which Pine
> asks me for the account password. Then and only then can I access the Inbox.
> This is a pain. I'd like to have it automatically log-in.

Also check out
http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley/pine/faq/sysadmins.html#save_password if
you're having trouble with extra password prompts - it's an updated
version of the FAQ and has a new section on passwordless SSH
authentication, but a lot of the links don't work, because they're
supposed to point to www.washington.edu.

> Finally, there is another issue -- how can I set the "user" so that my
> reply-to address reflects my e-mail aliases instead of my login id?

Check out Nancy's page on Changing Your From Header at
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/

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Perhaps I don't understand the problem, but it appears on the surface
that it might not be necessary to write a script to do this. I assume the
PC-PINE user has the equivalent of a unix .mime.types file, which is
probably located somewhere down in ...ProgramFiles\Netscape\... . (It
ought to be possible to figure out which file it is by using Windows
Explorer to search for expected content, e.g. "audio/x-wav".) Assuming
the user wants to *send* an existing file which is known to be in this
text/enriched format, and assuming the file has a unique extension, (e.g.
".TXE") which is understood by whatever tool (a browser?) is being used
on the receiving end to read it, can't the user just put a line in their
.mime.types-equivalent file such as

type=text/enriched exts="txe"

and then just "pine -attach file.txe [email protected]"?

I tried the equivalent operations on a unix box (put the line in .mime.types,
create a file named "tst.txe", then do an attach). The attachment in the
message I sent myself ended up with an attachment header which says

Content-Type: type=text/enriched; name="tst.txe"

On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

> *** Barry Landy wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) One of my users wishes to set the content-tpe header to text/enriched
> :) Is there some other way to achieve this effect?
> :)
> Dear Barry,
>
> There is a way to accomplish this, I posted this message to this list a
> few months ago and here I am reposting it again. Notice that this allows
> you to change the content-type header to text/html etc...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Quoted text"
>
> Here's the way to do it. You have to follow several steps in order to make
> this work.
>
> First you have to create a script, say we call it mime_types. Your file
> mime_types should say something like this:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> echo "Content-Type:text/html" > $2
>
> [note: You may need to replace echo by "echo -n"]
>
> remember to give yourself execution permission for this file.
>
> Then you should go to your configuration file, and where it says
> sending-filters it should say:
>
> sending-filters=/full/path/to/myme_types _TMPFILE_ _MIMETYPE_
>
> This is enough to accomplish the task, but you should continue to the next
> step anyway.
>
> After you do this take a look at the following configuration option:
>
> [ ] compose-send-offers-first-filter
>
> and read its help in order to understand what it does. I have it checked.
> Somehow, I could not change Charset to iso-8859-1, which was something I
> wanted, it always uses US-ASCII
>
> End of "Quoted text"
> ------------------------
>
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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*** Ed Arnold ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Perhaps I don't understand the problem, but it appears on the surface
:) that it might not be necessary to write a script to do this. I assume the
:) PC-PINE user has the equivalent of a unix .mime.types file, which is

Yes this works if you want to *attach* a file, but what if you want to
*compose* a message with content type header of text/enriched from
scratch? Pine sends every mail in the text/plain format, unless you
instruct it by means of a script and sending-filters not to do so or you
alter the headers by some other mean outside pine.

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Frederic L. W. Meunier wrote:

> On 2000-03-01 (Yesterday) at 21:08 -0800, Scott Leibrand typed:
>
> | ^^ is Ctrl-Shift-6. You press those keys, then move your
> | cursor, and then you can use ^K to cut the text. Does that
> | work?
>
> No. If I press Ctrl+Shift+6 simultaneously, when I move the
> cursor for the first time it stays in the same place. When I
> move it again it works. But it's not marking the text. It's
> very strange. I tried a lot. All keys are working on other
> applications. I use Pine with XTerm 127.

Earlier versions of Pine don't highlight the text. I don't think 3.96 did, or
if it wanted to, my terminal (vt100) didn't have the necessary information to
do that. 4.21 does on my xterm. The question, though, is whether it prints a
message, [Mark Set] when you hit ^6.

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yes, that works fine, provided you are happy to put it all in an
attachment. Pine can process the attachment just fine so no browser is
needed.

The "Mime-type" file need contain just

text/enriched txe

On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Ed Arnold wrote:

:>Perhaps I don't understand the problem, but it appears on the surface
:>that it might not be necessary to write a script to do this. I assume the
:>PC-PINE user has the equivalent of a unix .mime.types file, which is
:>probably located somewhere down in ...ProgramFiles\Netscape\... . (It
:>ought to be possible to figure out which file it is by using Windows
:>Explorer to search for expected content, e.g. "audio/x-wav".) Assuming
:>the user wants to *send* an existing file which is known to be in this
:>text/enriched format, and assuming the file has a unique extension, (e.g.
:>".TXE") which is understood by whatever tool (a browser?) is being used
:>on the receiving end to read it, can't the user just put a line in their
:> .mime.types-equivalent file such as
:>
:>type=text/enriched exts="txe"
:>
:>and then just "pine -attach file.txe [email protected]"?
:>
:>I tried the equivalent operations on a unix box (put the line in .mime.types,
:>create a file named "tst.txe", then do an attach). The attachment in the
:>message I sent myself ended up with an attachment header which says
:>
:>Content-Type: type=text/enriched; name="tst.txe"
:>
:>
:>On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:
:>
:>> *** Barry Landy wrote in the pine-info list today:
:>>
:>> :) One of my users wishes to set the content-tpe header to text/enriched
:>> :) Is there some other way to achieve this effect?
:>> :)
:>> Dear Barry,
:>>
:>> There is a way to accomplish this, I posted this message to this list a
:>> few months ago and here I am reposting it again. Notice that this allows
:>> you to change the content-type header to text/html etc...
:>>
:>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
:>> "Quoted text"
:>>
:>> Here's the way to do it. You have to follow several steps in order to make
:>> this work.
:>>
:>> First you have to create a script, say we call it mime_types. Your file
:>> mime_types should say something like this:
:>>
:>> #!/bin/sh
:>> echo "Content-Type:text/html" > $2
:>>
:>> [note: You may need to replace echo by "echo -n"]
:>>
:>> remember to give yourself execution permission for this file.
:>>
:>> Then you should go to your configuration file, and where it says
:>> sending-filters it should say:
:>>
:>> sending-filters=/full/path/to/myme_types _TMPFILE_ _MIMETYPE_
:>>
:>> This is enough to accomplish the task, but you should continue to the next
:>> step anyway.
:>>
:>> After you do this take a look at the following configuration option:
:>>
:>> [ ] compose-send-offers-first-filter
:>>
:>> and read its help in order to understand what it does. I have it checked.
:>> Somehow, I could not change Charset to iso-8859-1, which was something I
:>> wanted, it always uses US-ASCII
:>>
:>> End of "Quoted text"
:>> ------------------------
:>>
:>> Eduardo
:>> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>> --
:>> Eduardo
:>> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
:>
:>

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It seems like I am receiving my pine-info digest in mime format. How do I
fix this?

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email protected]>
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Just send a message to [email protected] with the following as the
first line:

set pine-info mail digest-nomime

Here's what it says at
http://www.washington.edu/computing/listproc/subscribers/advanced.html#commands
about the digest formats:

digest: do not send individual messages to the particular subscriber.
Instead, store messages in a digest and send it when the digest exceeds a
specified number of lines, or when a specified amount of time has passed
since the last digest was sent. Digests are sent in MIME format by
default.

digest-nomime: same as digest except that you will receive the digest as a
single block of text rather than in MIME format. This digest format may be
necessary for those subscribers using older email clients.

NOTE: The MIME format for digests is new as of March 23, 1999. Previous
digests were sent as the equivalent of DIGEST-NOMIME.

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On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Leslie Fairall wrote:

> It seems like I am receiving my pine-info digest in mime format. How do I
> fix this?
>
>
>
> ***** **************************************************
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> particular about who it makes friends with."
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hi all,

does anyone know why emails sent by netscape3 on unix are well received on my
Lotus Notes client (NT4), while emails sent by pine from the same machine aren't
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Arnaud De Timmerman wrote:
> hi all,
> does anyone know why emails sent by netscape3 on unix are well
> received on my Lotus Notes client (NT4), while emails sent by pine
> from the same machine aren't ?

You're joking, right?

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>You're joking, right?
We use unix on server, some of our customers and us are using lotus notes with a
SMTP gateway (it's not a choice). We have to send text-only (no mime/smime
contents at first...) emails to those platforms. But in an automated manner so
we have to deal with console based agent, this is where pine comes handy. The
error is that we never receive mail (but our customers who don't use the
infamous Lotus get the mail right).

thanks again,

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hi all,

Is there a way changing the field "return-path" at the very beginning of an
email ? The one I add in the customized-headers doesn't replace this one. It has
been said in the mailing list that the MTA dealed with this field, but isn't
pine a MTA ?

Sorry for my english and possible misunderstandings.

ttfn,

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On Mar 7, 2000 at 11:23, Arnaud De Timmerman wrote:

> Is there a way changing the field "return-path" at the very beginning
> of an email ? The one I add in the customized-headers doesn't replace
> this one. It has been said in the mailing list that the MTA dealed
> with this field, but isn't pine a MTA ?

Pine is a Mail User Agent, or MUA. MTA is M Transfer Agent, like sendmail.
In fact, sendmail (if that is your MTA; qmail is another popular MTA) does
put a Return-path line. This is not a Pine issue. You might want to look
at sendmail masquerading rules. (Or you might not)

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>put a Return-path line. This is not a Pine issue. You might want to look
>at sendmail masquerading rules. (Or you might not)
Netscape Mail Server is our MTA. I'm trying to find why emails sent by Netscape
are well received on my lotus notes client (with a smtp gateway) while emails
sent by pine aren't. Anyone familiar with Netscape Mail Server ?

thanks,

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Hello everybody:

How do I obtain the e-mail source of the incoming mails in pine? For
example, one can always send mails to anyone using Netscape Mail or port
25 of any system and can write any e-mail address, so is there a way to
trace out from which server the mail actually was delivered from?

Regards,
Mohit

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yes, go into the pine config screen and scroll down to find the option --
enable full header cmd. Once that is enabled, when you are viewing your
message, you can simply type the "h" key and it will display all the headers
that were inserted from the origin of the message.

You normally read email headers from bottom to top.

hope that helps

---Andy

Mohit Agarwal wrote:

> Hello everybody:
>
> How do I obtain the e-mail source of the incoming mails in pine? For
> example, one can always send mails to anyone using Netscape Mail or port
> 25 of any system and can write any e-mail address, so is there a way to
> trace out from which server the mail actually was delivered from?
>
> Regards,
> Mohit
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On Mar 7, 2000 at 22:38, Mohit Agarwal wrote:

> How do I obtain the e-mail source of the incoming mails in pine? For
> example, one can always send mails to anyone using Netscape Mail or port
> 25 of any system and can write any e-mail address, so is there a way to
> trace out from which server the mail actually was delivered from?

Trace the Received: headers. http://spamcop.net/ is a good site for this
(make sure you don't actually report the email as spam).

Also check the X-* headers, sometimes they contain UI.

In Pine, to turn on Full Headers, do this:
1. Set enable-full-header-cmd
2. Go to the folder index containing the message you want to trace.
3. Hit h do enable full headers.
4. View message.
5. Toggle full and normal headers by hitting h anytime in folder index or
view message screens.

HTH.

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hi all,

can I change the place where the field "Message-ID" comes, in the headers ? I'd
like to put it before "Date:".

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Hello,

There is an inconsistent use of the command ^C in the program. I have the
idea that every time I want to cancel any command I have to press ^C. Some
menus can be canceled like that, some others can not. For example the
following menu can not:

View selected URL "http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/" ? =
=20
Y [Yes] U editURL =
=20
N No A editApp =
=20

Actually this menu does not contain a help key either. My suggestion is to
make ^C available in all menus. I know how to read menus, is just that I
don't want to read which ones can be cancelled by pressing "N" and/or
"^C".

The same can be said about the "?" and "^G" keys.

The other annoying keybinding that I find is that when reading help "E"
and "P" have meanings which are not really intuitive for me. "E" is used
to exit the help and "P" is used for "previous help". I would use "E" to
go back to the previous help (like "P"), except that in the first help "E"
would mean "take me out of the help screen" and would use "^C" to get out
of the help directly at any screen help. The reason why I find this
annoying is because I have pressed many times "E" when I only meant to
push the "P" key (because I na=EFvely understood "E" as "P"). Another
solution which is fine with me is to have "P" and "E" the same meaning in
the first help screen.

I hope someday pine has some kind of keybinding support. It is sometimes
frustrating not to be able to do so.

--=20
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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I would have to agree here with that.

especially with the ^C key.

---Andy

"Eduardo Chappa L." wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> There is an inconsistent use of the command ^C in the program. I have the
> idea that every time I want to cancel any command I have to press ^C. Some
> menus can be canceled like that, some others can not. For example the
> following menu can not:
>
> View selected URL "http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/" ?
> Y [Yes] U editURL
> N No A editApp
>
> Actually this menu does not contain a help key either. My suggestion is to
> make ^C available in all menus. I know how to read menus, is just that I
> don't want to read which ones can be cancelled by pressing "N" and/or
> "^C".
>
> The same can be said about the "?" and "^G" keys.
>
> The other annoying keybinding that I find is that when reading help "E"
> and "P" have meanings which are not really intuitive for me. "E" is used
> to exit the help and "P" is used for "previous help". I would use "E" to
> go back to the previous help (like "P"), except that in the first help "E"
> would mean "take me out of the help screen" and would use "^C" to get out
> of the help directly at any screen help. The reason why I find this
> annoying is because I have pressed many times "E" when I only meant to
> push the "P" key (because I na�vely understood "E" as "P"). Another
> solution which is fine with me is to have "P" and "E" the same meaning in
> the first help screen.
>
> I hope someday pine has some kind of keybinding support. It is sometimes
> frustrating not to be able to do so.
>
> --
> Eduardo
> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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Consistency is always good. Configurable Key mappings would be great. =20
It would be difficult to implement key mappings, because you would have to
use rather different methods in PC-Pine and UNIX Pine. Personally, I
never use Windows unless there is absolutely no alternative, so I'd be
happy with configurable key mappings for UNIX that are not supported for
PC-Pine. Others would no doubt disagree.

Seth Kurtzberg
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Andy Malato wrote:

> I would have to agree here with that.
>=20
> especially with the ^C key.
>=20
> =09---Andy
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "Eduardo Chappa L." wrote:
> >=20
> > Hello,
> >=20
> > There is an inconsistent use of the command ^C in the program. I have t=
he
> > idea that every time I want to cancel any command I have to press ^C. S=
ome
> > menus can be canceled like that, some others can not. For example the
> > following menu can not:
> >=20
> > View selected URL "http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/" ?
> > Y [Yes] U editURL
> > N No A editApp
> >=20
> > Actually this menu does not contain a help key either. My suggestion is=
to
> > make ^C available in all menus. I know how to read menus, is just that =
I
> > don't want to read which ones can be cancelled by pressing "N" and/or
> > "^C".
> >=20
> > The same can be said about the "?" and "^G" keys.
> >=20
> > The other annoying keybinding that I find is that when reading help "E"
> > and "P" have meanings which are not really intuitive for me. "E" is use=
d
> > to exit the help and "P" is used for "previous help". I would use "E" t=
o
> > go back to the previous help (like "P"), except that in the first help =
"E"
> > would mean "take me out of the help screen" and would use "^C" to get o=
ut
> > of the help directly at any screen help. The reason why I find this
> > annoying is because I have pressed many times "E" when I only meant to
> > push the "P" key (because I na=EFvely understood "E" as "P"). Another
> > solution which is fine with me is to have "P" and "E" the same meaning =
in
> > the first help screen.
> >=20
> > I hope someday pine has some kind of keybinding support. It is someti=
mes
> > frustrating not to be able to do so.
> >=20
> > --
> > Eduardo
> > http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>=20

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hi all,

Is there a way, with pine, to send an e-mail without using the composer at all ?

thanks,

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*** Arnaud De Timmerman wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Is there a way, with pine, to send an e-mail without using the
:) composer at all ?
:)

It can be done if you apply a patch that I wrote in order to do so. Pick
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Thanks for your answer Srikanth.

Is it possible to send an email being totally identified as another account on
the same machine ? To be identified in the headers as "lambda" even if the email
is sent from "gamma", for instance.

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You can change the From: line to reflect that, but you can't change the
X-Sender. Which is good, because the whole point of the X-Sender is to
give a reliable indicator of which account the message was sent from,
regardless of what you do to the From line.

Check out Nancy's page on Changing Your From Header at
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Arnaud De Timmerman wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for your answer Srikanth.
>
>
> Is it possible to send an email being totally identified as another account on
> the same machine ? To be identified in the headers as "lambda" even if the email
> is sent from "gamma", for instance.
>
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>You can change the From: line to reflect that, but you can't change the
>X-Sender. Which is good, because the whole point of the X-Sender is to
>give a reliable indicator of which account the message was sent from,
>regardless of what you do to the From line.
And is it also possible changing what's written in Return-Path and Received
fields ? May I have to give the sticky bit to pine program, of change some
access permissions ?
thanks again,

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>And is it also possible changing what's written in Return-Path and Received
>fields ? May I have to give the sticky bit to pine program, of change some
>access permissions ?
>thanks again,

Why would you want to change any of this unless you're spamming?

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I've try to change the header 'from' in the composer header.
But it said " not allowed to change 'From' " when I try to compose
a mail.
I want to change 'From' because I have another email and I want to
send e-mail fro my box here as if I'm sending from another email I
have.
Please help me.

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'Not allowed to change header "From"'
I always get that if I tried to change 'From'
I go to the Setup and configuration menu.
After that, I try to change default-composer-header and
custumized-header, but still I can't change it.
Please help me..

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Roles.

m s r r

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Daxmu Yoagat wrote:

> I've try to change the header 'from' in the composer header.
> But it said " not allowed to change 'From' " when I try to compose
> a mail.
> I want to change 'From' because I have another email and I want to
> send e-mail fro my box here as if I'm sending from another email I
> have.
> Please help me.
>
> ****************************
> Gaudeamus igitur,
> Iuvenes dum sumus
> (Let us be happy
> while we are young)
> *****************************
>
>
>
>
>

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What is it mena ' m s s r '?
> Roles.
>
> m s r r

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Pressing those keys won't do anything for you, so first off, upgrade to a
recent version of pine.

Then set up roles to do what you're asking.

Then quit bitching.

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Daxmu Yoagat wrote:

>
> What is it mena ' m s s r '?
> > Roles.
> >
> > m s r r
>
>
>

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Check out Nancy's page on Changing Your From Header at
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/changing_from/

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Daxmu Yoagat wrote:

> I've try to change the header 'from' in the composer header.
> But it said " not allowed to change 'From' " when I try to compose
> a mail.
> I want to change 'From' because I have another email and I want to
> send e-mail fro my box here as if I'm sending from another email I
> have.
> Please help me.
>
> ****************************
> Gaudeamus igitur,
> Iuvenes dum sumus
> (Let us be happy
> while we are young)
> *****************************
>
>
>
>
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>I don't think so, with Pine at least. Most of this stuff is added after
>Pine transfers the mail to the MTA. But I don't think you'd want to,
>really, unless you're trying to send spam or something. Received lines
>have to be accurate to be of any use, and modifying them is a Bad Thing
>that only spammers and other unscrupulous characters do.
Because we don't want our customers know what user is really used to send the
email, for security reasons. It's possible making a program changing the uid
before calling pine, so another user is used in the headers.

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I've seen that there is a GUI for pine (called xpine!?), but it is
still in a early stage. Is there any stable graphical user interface
for pine under X?

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On Mar 13, 2000 at 07:57, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:

> I've seen that there is a GUI for pine (called xpine!?), but it is
> still in a early stage. Is there any stable graphical user interface
> for pine under X?

Pine *is* a user interface. Why would there be a user interface for a user
interface?

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> On Mar 13, 2000 at 07:57, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
>
> > I've seen that there is a GUI for pine (called xpine!?), but it is
> > still in a early stage. Is there any stable graphical user interface
> > for pine under X?
>
> Pine *is* a user interface. Why would there be a user interface for a user
> interface?

That's an excellent point, and I dearly love it. However, there are
some things that it doesn't do (like macros), so I made something to do it
for me. I use Eterm as my terminal program, and I made a Pine Theme for
it. All it *really* is is a menu at the top that allows me to string
together a bunch of commands.

For example, here where I work we've got an address we can send spam to,
and it gets all ripped apart and the appropriate people notified. But
headers have to be on. So I have to turn full headers on, forward the
message, then turn headers off, and delete it. I made a menu item that
does all that for me in about a half second. Very handy.

I've got it set so that I can send a message from a particular role.

Lots of people wouldn't want to use it, they prefer to type it all out,
but it cn be handy for things you do so rarely that you don't remember the
keystrokes.

Topher
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Hello,
I have two questions.

1)
I can use alt-addresses to make emails forwarded from my other
accounts appear with a "+" in index. However, this work only if
I'm at the To: field and it does not work for me if I'm CC:ed
instead. Any easy way to fix it?

2)
Other mailers do Fcc in the way of simply cc'ing the message to
myself. This come handy if I want to save my messages to another
account on different system. Is there a way to do this in pine?
I tried to put email address in fcc: but it is just saves it to
a file which name is my email addr (after all it is FILE-CC).

Is there a way to have cc everyemail I send and everymail I
reply, to some specific account elsewhere?

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On Mar 13, 2000 at 11:14, ADAM Sulmicki wrote:

> I can use alt-addresses to make emails forwarded from my other
> accounts appear with a "+" in index. However, this work only if
> I'm at the To: field and it does not work for me if I'm CC:ed
> instead. Any easy way to fix it?

Well, the point of the + is to indicate that you are the primary
recipient, rather than haivng been Cc'd.

> I tried to put email address in fcc: but it is just saves it to
> a file which name is my email addr (after all it is FILE-CC).

You just answered yourself, it is _file_-cc :)

> Is there a way to have cc everyemail I send and everymail I
> reply, to some specific account elsewhere?

Try custom headers: Cc: [email protected]

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Satya wrote:

> On Mar 13, 2000 at 07:57, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
>
> > I've seen that there is a GUI for pine (called xpine!?), but it is
> > still in a early stage. Is there any stable graphical user interface
> > for pine under X?
>
> Pine *is* a user interface. Why would there be a user interface for a user
> interface?

GUI =
G = GRAPHICAL
U = User
I = Interface

Meaning: Using mouse, drag & drop, several windows, and stuff...

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Thanks for all people who have responded so far.

> > I can use alt-addresses to make emails forwarded from my other
> > accounts appear with a "+" in index. However, this work only if
> > I'm at the To: field and it does not work for me if I'm CC:ed
> > instead. Any easy way to fix it?
>
> Well, the point of the + is to indicate that you are the primary
> recipient, rather than haivng been Cc'd.

Yeah, but nowdays we got a lot of email, and people, like it or not, don't
pay that much attention where you are in header when they reply.

IMHO, as long as I'm in explictly mentioned in header, no matter if
it is to: or cc:, I'm one of the "primary" recipient.

I belive nowdays email is addressed to you if you are anywhere in header,
if you are not explictly mentioned, then it is not to you. (although
this is not always true as some dumb mailing list sets Reply-To: to
the mailining list and remove you from header altoghether :-( )

> > Is there a way to have cc everyemail I send and everymail I
> > reply, to some specific account elsewhere?
>
> Try custom headers: Cc: [email protected]

What I was woried here about is that will it work correctly if I reply
email and there are other people in cc already? will the resulting
cc a superset of cc from original email and my predefined cc?

I guess the only answer is to actually try this out.

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> > > Is there a way to have cc everyemail I send and everymail I
> > > reply, to some specific account elsewhere?
> >
> > Try custom headers: Cc: [email protected]
>
> What I was woried here about is that will it work correctly if I reply
> email and there are other people in cc already? will the resulting
> cc a superset of cc from original email and my predefined cc?
>
> I guess the only answer is to actually try this out.

Well, I just tried it out and unfrotunatelly it does not work as I would
expect it to.

If I compose message, the "forward cc" is shown in cc field.

However, if I hit reply button, the "forward cc" not shown
there :-(

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Satya wrote:
>
> > On Mar 13, 2000 at 07:57, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > I've seen that there is a GUI for pine (called xpine!?), but it is
> > > still in a early stage. Is there any stable graphical user interface
> > > for pine under X?
> >
> > Pine *is* a user interface. Why would there be a user interface for a user
> > interface?
>
> GUI =
> G = GRAPHICAL
> U = User
> I = Interface
>
> Meaning: Using mouse, drag & drop, several windows, and stuff...

For me, and I imagine for a great many Pine (& PC-Pine) users, not
having to futz around with a GUI is _the_ major attraction.

James

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There is no reason that it has to be one or the other. Pine has the
current interface, which I also like. It can also be wrapped with a GUI;
for an example, look at emacs and xemacs. The core functionality is there
either way, and the interface is then a matter of personal preference.

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, James wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Satya wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 13, 2000 at 07:57, Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've seen that there is a GUI for pine (called xpine!?), but it is
> > > > still in a early stage. Is there any stable graphical user interface
> > > > for pine under X?
> > >
> > > Pine *is* a user interface. Why would there be a user interface for a user
> > > interface?
> >
> > GUI =
> > G = GRAPHICAL
> > U = User
> > I = Interface
> >
> > Meaning: Using mouse, drag & drop, several windows, and stuff...
>
> For me, and I imagine for a great many Pine (& PC-Pine) users, not
> having to futz around with a GUI is _the_ major attraction.
>
> James
>
>

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Is there a fast and dirty way to remove the don't delete this message from
my inbox. It's constant reappearance is annoying.
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-- dale

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You know that is a good question. For some reason, PINE uses that as a
placeholder. I don't know exactly why, but I remember reading something once
that it has possibly something to do with IMAP services.

It never occured in earlier version of PINE (3.9x) but has shown up in the
latest version(s).

It would be nice if one of the PINE developers explained as to why that
message occurs.

---Andy

Dale Morris wrote:

> Is there a fast and dirty way to remove the don't delete this message from
> my inbox. It's constant reappearance is annoying.
> thanks
>
> -- dale
>
> Don't forget the *gasout* April 7-April 10th. Let's protest..!!
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Or, you could just RTFM.

http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/problems.html#xtocid1175429

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[...]

> It would be nice if one of the PINE developers explained as to why that
> message occurs.
>
> Dale Morris wrote:
>
> > Is there a fast and dirty way to remove the don't delete this message from
> > my inbox. It's constant reappearance is annoying.
> > thanks

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Hi y'all,

Anyone know what this error message means? I get it once in a while, but
I can't find anything in the FAQ or the list archive about it. Here's the
full message.

"IMAP protocol error: Bogus sequence in +FLAGS"

(then...)

"Bogus sequence in +FLAGS"

It usually happens when I'm replying to someone, although I haven't found
a pattern of who I'm replying to or a particular client that sent the
email. It also appears to send the message properly, but it's still
unsettling to see a bogus anything to appear on the screen.

Thanks for any help,

Robert

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Why with PC-Pine version 4.21, when trying to view attachments, word
attachments work fine, but I can not open Excel attachments?? I dont
want to have to save the file before opening it, I just want to be able
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recognize MSExcel attachment.

Any ideas would be of great help

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, ADAM Sulmicki wrote:

> I can use alt-addresses to make emails forwarded from my other
> accounts appear with a "+" in index. However, this work only if
> I'm at the To: field and it does not work for me if I'm CC:ed
> instead. Any easy way to fix it?

Well, I looked around sources and I have rediscovered the
contrib/flag.cc submission. It does exactly what I want.

However, this patch is aganist 3.85. Below I have
attached updated patch against Pine 4.21

---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- pine/mailindx.c-BACKUP Thu Mar 16 21:34:20 2000
+++ pine/mailindx.c Thu Mar 16 21:44:11 2000
@@ -3145,6 +3145,12 @@
to_us = '+';
break;
}
+ for(addr = fetch_cc(idata); addr; addr = addr->next)
+ if(address_is_us(addr, ps_global)
+ || resent_to_us(idata)){
+ to_us = '+';
+ break;
+ }

if(idata->bogus)
break;
@@ -3183,6 +3189,12 @@
to_us = '+';
break;
}
+ for(addr = fetch_cc(idata); addr; addr = addr->next)
+ if(address_is_us(addr, ps_global)
+ || resent_to_us(idata)){
+ to_us = '+';
+ break;
+ }

if(idata->bogus)
break;
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I am a college student in Indonesia.I have email acces but I don't
have the internet acces. Could any of you tell me how can I optimalized
my email?
I want to explore the internet, can you tell me where can I get 'getweb'
facility?
Thank you

Paulus

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Yes , I do have the pine access.
But that is the only acces I have.
I can't browse the internet.
That because our admin. allowed not to do that.
What I'm trying to ask you is how can I browse the internet
via e-mail, or at least at the similar matter.
Thank you

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I found a FAQ on how you can access web pages by e-mail. Here's how to
get it, by e-mail, FTP, or HTTP:

Finding the Latest Version
--------------------------

This document is now available from several automated mail servers.
To get the latest edition, send email to one of the addresses below.

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send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email

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To: [email protected]
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You can also get the file by anonymous FTP at one of these sites:

Site: rtfm.mit.edu
get pub/usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email
Site: ftp.mailbase.ac.uk
get pub/lists/lis-iis/files/e-access-inet.txt

Or on the Web in HTML format at:
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Paulus wrote:

> I am a college student in Indonesia.I have email acces but I don't
> have the internet acces. Could any of you tell me how can I optimalized
> my email?
> I want to explore the internet, can you tell me where can I get 'getweb'
> facility?
> Thank you
>
> Paulus
>
>
>
>
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I found the following bug in pine 4.10. It remains in 4.21-3:

if enable-msg-view-addresses is set,
the first available email address SHOULD BE displayed in inverse

this doesn't work if the address start with a digit.
For example, try :

[email protected]

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We'll fix it for next version of pine. Thanks.

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> I found the following bug in pine 4.10. It remains in 4.21-3:
>
> if enable-msg-view-addresses is set,
> the first available email address SHOULD BE displayed in inverse
>
> this doesn't work if the address start with a digit.
> For example, try :
>
> [email protected]
>
>

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Hi, I was wondering if there is a way to have pine highlight folders in which
there are new messages. I have a fairly extensive heirarchy of folders,
managed by procmail, and although it has allowed me to keep on top of email,
and avoid reading messages I don't care about, it takes far too much time to
constantly be checking if there are new messages in any of the folders, and I
don't want to turn it into a flat-heirarchy by placing all the folders in the
Incoming-Folders collection.

Any solutions?

thanks,

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From: "Eduardo Chappa L." <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: New messages in folders?
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*** Blaine Cook wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Hi, I was wondering if there is a way to have pine highlight folders in which
:) there are new messages. I have a fairly extensive heirarchy of folders,
:) managed by procmail, and although it has allowed me to keep on top of email,
:) and avoid reading messages I don't care about, it takes far too much time to
:) constantly be checking if there are new messages in any of the folders, and I
:) don't want to turn it into a flat-heirarchy by placing all the folders in the
:) Incoming-Folders collection.
:)
Since you are not using your incoming-folder-collections (I disagree with
you on that, but the following advice will work only because you are not
using incoming-folders-collection).

Put your cursor on any of the folders that are in the same collection
list that are the folders where you want to check your new mail. Press ";"
to select and take a look at the menu in the bottom, there should be a
"Properties" options, press the letter P. A new menu should appears. Press
N for selecting the folders with new messages. This will select in bold
the folders containing new messages. The disadvantage of this is that it
will probably select a folder like "sent-mail", which has new mail, but
not new incoming mail.

Somehow this does not work in the incoming folders collection, for
unknown reasons to me. Maybe someone more knowledgeable has an explanation
why.

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So, I recently went to use pine on the sparc 20 I have at home with my pop
account, and so compiled in the PASSFILE option. However, I quickly
discovered that this did no good at all. Hmmm.

On tracing through the code, I found in
c-client/pop3.c

~line 400

long pop3_auth (MAILSTREAM *stream,NETMBX *mb,char *tmp,char *usr)
{
..
if (auths) { /* got any authenticators? */
for (t = NIL; LOCAL->netstream && auths &&
(at = mail_lookup_auth (find_rightmost_bit (&auths)+1)); ) {
if (t) { /* previous authenticator failed? */
sprintf (tmp,"Retrying using %.80s authentication after %.80s",
at->name,t);
mm_log (tmp,NIL);
fs_give ((void **) &t);
}
for (i = 1,tmp[0] = '\0'; /* until run out of trials */
LOCAL->netstream && i && (i <= pop3_maxlogintrials); ) {

Is there any obvious reason why i is starting at 1? Especially since in
mm_login in pine/imap.c we have

if(trial == 0L){
strcpy(user, (*mb->user) ? mb->user : ps_global->VAR_USER_ID);

/* try last working password associated with this host. */
if(imap_get_passwd(mm_login_list, pwd, user, hostlist,
mb->altflag))
return;

#ifdef PASSFILE
/* check to see if there's a password left over from last session
*/
if(get_passfile_passwd(ps_global->pinerc, pwd,
user, &hostlist[0], mb->altflag)){
dprint(0, (debugfile, "FLAG %d\n", mb->altflag));

imap_set_passwd(&mm_login_list, pwd, user,
&hostlist[0], mb->altflag);
return;
}
#endif

It seems that if the pop server returns AUTH's you can't use the
PASSFILE code. With no auths you are fine. I can't see any reason
why pine wants to enforce this restriction (some standard? That would be
odd),but it does seem to have been done deliberately. Any answers out
there?

-- Dave

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I don't know enough about Pine's code to do any debugging, but the usual
cause for PASSFILE not working is that your user name is different on the
two systems. If that is the case, try adding /user=username after every
instance of your server's name.
(For example, {my.pop.server.com/user=dfinberg}INBOX )

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, David Finberg - Sun High Performance Computing wrote:

> So, I recently went to use pine on the sparc 20 I have at home with my pop
> account, and so compiled in the PASSFILE option. However, I quickly
> discovered that this did no good at all. Hmmm.
>
>
> On tracing through the code, I found in
> c-client/pop3.c
>
> ~line 400
>
> long pop3_auth (MAILSTREAM *stream,NETMBX *mb,char *tmp,char *usr)
> {
> ...
> if (auths) { /* got any authenticators? */
> for (t = NIL; LOCAL->netstream && auths &&
> (at = mail_lookup_auth (find_rightmost_bit (&auths)+1)); ) {
> if (t) { /* previous authenticator failed? */
> sprintf (tmp,"Retrying using %.80s authentication after %.80s",
> at->name,t);
> mm_log (tmp,NIL);
> fs_give ((void **) &t);
> }
> for (i = 1,tmp[0] = '\0'; /* until run out of trials */
> LOCAL->netstream && i && (i <= pop3_maxlogintrials); ) {
>
>
> Is there any obvious reason why i is starting at 1? Especially since in
> mm_login in pine/imap.c we have
>
> if(trial == 0L){
> strcpy(user, (*mb->user) ? mb->user : ps_global->VAR_USER_ID);
>
> /* try last working password associated with this host. */
> if(imap_get_passwd(mm_login_list, pwd, user, hostlist,
> mb->altflag))
> return;
>
> #ifdef PASSFILE
> /* check to see if there's a password left over from last session
> */
> if(get_passfile_passwd(ps_global->pinerc, pwd,
> user, &hostlist[0], mb->altflag)){
> dprint(0, (debugfile, "FLAG %d\n", mb->altflag));
>
> imap_set_passwd(&mm_login_list, pwd, user,
> &hostlist[0], mb->altflag);
> return;
> }
> #endif
>
> It seems that if the pop server returns AUTH's you can't use the
> PASSFILE code. With no auths you are fine. I can't see any reason
> why pine wants to enforce this restriction (some standard? That would be
> odd),but it does seem to have been done deliberately. Any answers out
> there?
>
> -- Dave
>
>

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:

>Since you are not using your incoming-folder-collections (I disagree with
>you on that, but the following advice will work only because you are not
>using incoming-folders-collection).

Is it possible to create a heirarchy within the incoming-folders collection,
that can be <tab>'d through to see new messages? If so, this would be the
ideal way to deal with messages, but I seem to recall not being able to do
this..?

> Put your cursor on any of the folders that are in the same collection
>list that are the folders where you want to check your new mail. Press ";"
>to select and take a look at the menu in the bottom, there should be a
>"Properties" options, press the letter P. A new menu should appears. Press
>N for selecting the folders with new messages. This will select in bold
>the folders containing new messages. The disadvantage of this is that it
>will probably select a folder like "sent-mail", which has new mail, but
>not new incoming mail.

Thanks, this works well -- is there any way to have pine do this
automatically, and perhaps rather than selecting folders, mark them as bold?
Also, recursion would be nice.. ;-)

blaine
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Blaine Cook wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Eduardo Chappa L. wrote:
>
> >Since you are not using your incoming-folder-collections (I disagree with
> >you on that, but the following advice will work only because you are not
> >using incoming-folders-collection).
>
> Is it possible to create a heirarchy within the incoming-folders collection,
> that can be <tab>'d through to see new messages? If so, this would be the
> ideal way to deal with messages, but I seem to recall not being able to do
> this..?

It's not currently possible to do folder heirarchies within
incoming-folders, but you can still preserve your heirarchical structure
in your folder collections while creating shortcuts to the folders in
incoming-folders. Perhaps that would be the best (though not ideal)
solution in your case.

> Thanks, this works well -- is there any way to have pine do this
> automatically, and perhaps rather than selecting folders, mark them as bold?
> Also, recursion would be nice.. ;-)

It's not currently possible (AFAIK), and I don't know if it's very high on
the Pine Team's priority list... (Think patch.)

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Blaine Cook wrote:
> Hi, I was wondering if there is a way to have pine highlight folders in which
> there are new messages.

I have a script that I use to look through my IN.* mailboxes. It gets
called when I log in. I include it below:

--------- newmail.sh ---------------------------------------------------
#!/bin/ksh
#
# Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:11:38 -0600 (CST)
# From: Mike Miller <[email protected]>
# To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
# Subject: incoming folders (was Re: Ok, here I go again!)
#

if [ `wc /var/mail/swhatley | awk '{print $1}'` == 0 ]; then
echo ""
echo "No mail in Inbox"
else
echo ""
egrep '^From ' /usr/mail/swhatley | wc | awk '{print "Listing of "$1" messages in your inbox:"}'
echo ""
for item in `egrep -n '^From ' /usr/mail/swhatley | awk -F: '{print $1}'`; do
tail +$item /var/mail/swhatley | egrep '^From: ' | head -1
tail +$item /var/mail/swhatley | egrep '^From: |^Subject: ' | tail +2 | head -1 | egrep -v '^From: '
echo ""
done
fi
echo ""
echo "Messages in other inboxes:"
echo ""
for file in `ls -1 ~/Mail/.Incoming/IN.* | grep -v lock | awk -F. '{print $NF}'`; do
echo "IN.$file `egrep '^From ' ~/Mail/.Incoming/IN.$file | wc`" | awk '{print $2"\t"$1}' | grep -v ^0\
done
echo ""
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I hope this helps.

Later,
Steven

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/usr/local/lib/pine.conf does not work properly.

When i add a new user the config i have in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf are =
just ignored and i get some default .pinerc file in the users dir. Can =
anyone please help me whit this and how i fix it.

/kasper Sweden on a freebsd machine.

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*** Micke wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) /usr/local/lib/pine.conf does not work properly.
:)
:) When i add a new user the config i have in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
:) are just ignored and i get some default .pinerc file in the users
:) dir. Can anyone please help me whit this and how i fix it.
:)

Take a look at any .pine-debug file of your users and look at the first
few lines, mine looks like this:

reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf"
Read 5662 characters:
reading_pinerc "/user4/chappa/.pinerc"
Read 22201 characters:
read_pinerc: pinerc_written = 953848501
reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed"
Open failed: No such file or directory

if there was a problem, then pine would notify me here (it would print a
different message instead of the number of characters). That should tell
you what's going wrong. If this does not help much, get back to us and
tell us more about the problem.

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On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Micke wrote:

> /usr/local/lib/pine.conf does not work properly.
>
> When i add a new user the config i have in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf are just ignored and i get some default .pinerc file in the users dir. Can anyone please help me whit this and how i fix it.
>
>
> ./kasper Sweden on a freebsd machine.
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The fixed settings should be placed in pine.conf.fixed.

Yeo Eng Hee
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I've got a particular message (spam) that crashes when I answer the 'reply to
all recipients' question (I'm trying to complain, and just use 'r' to
start the reply that I send to all relevant parties). It happens every time.

Hopefully this backtrace will help?

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x1a7228 in fetch_contents (stream=0x3e1260, msgno=1215,
section=0xefffe3e8 "2", body=0x0) at reply.c:4499
reply.c:4499: No such file or directory.
(gdb) bt
#0 0x1a7228 in fetch_contents (stream=0x3e1260, msgno=1215,
section=0xefffe3e8 "2", body=0x0) at reply.c:4499
#1 0x19f828 in reply_body (stream=0x3e1260, env=0x468558, orig_body=0x462348,
msgno=1215, sect_prefix=0x0, msgtext=0x410918, prefix=0x466448 ">",
plustext=1, template_file=0x0, sig_file=0x3da2a8 ".signature",
redraft_pos=0xefffe5b4) at reply.c:1844
#2 0x19b9fc in reply (pine_state=0x3d8450) at reply.c:565
#3 0x108440 in cmd_reply (state=0x3d8450, msgmap=0x3d8d48, agg=0)
at mailcmd.c:1739
#4 0x1026bc in process_cmd (state=0x3d8450, stream=0x3e1260, msgmap=0x3d8d48,
command=705, in_index=1, force_mailchk=0xeffff1e8) at mailcmd.c:360
#5 0x123230 in index_lister (state=0x3d8450, cntxt=0x3e07a0,
folder=0x3d84d5 "INBOX", stream=0x3e1260, msgmap=0x3d8d48)
at mailindx.c:1029
#6 0x121958 in mail_index_screen (state=0x3d8450) at mailindx.c:498
#7 0x192644 in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffff804) at pine.c:911

Wait, body=0. The message is some sort of JavaScript crap that is supposed
to execute.. is that relevant?

I can copy/paste the message if necessary.

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Is there a command to write a message to everyone in your address
book? I know you can highlight a person'[s address and compose to them,
but it seems like you ought to be able to send a message to everyone in
your addressbook at the same time.

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> Is there a command to write a message to everyone in your address
> book? I know you can highlight a person'[s address and compose to them,
> but it seems like you ought to be able to send a message to everyone in
> your addressbook at the same time.

Had this been implemented, you would call it with 'S' key and the
"feature" would be called 'Spam'.

However, I recall that pine allows you create 'Distribution Lists'.
so if you have a group of people to whom you need to send regularly.
I would suggest to create a distribution list.

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*** Leslie Fairall wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Is there a command to write a message to everyone in your address
:) book? I know you can highlight a person'[s address and compose to them,
:) but it seems like you ought to be able to send a message to everyone in
:) your addressbook at the same time.
:)

Yes you can, go into your addressbook, press the ";" key to select (I
assume that you have [X] enable-aggregate-command-set already in your
configuration), press A to select "all". After that press the letter A to
"apply" and press the letter "C". This will put all the addresses in the
To: field of your message. I recommend you that if you have a big
addressbook that you delete all these entries from the To: field manually
using ^K and putting them in the Lcc: or Bcc: field with ^U (the Lcc: and
Bcc: field appear after you press the ^R key).

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Hi:

Thank you for your polite answer. This raises another question. What is
the purpose of the lcc: field? Is is similar to bcc?

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*** Leslie Fairall ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) Thank you for your polite answer. This raises another question. What is
:) the purpose of the lcc: field? Is is similar to bcc?
:)

No problem. The Lcc: field as well the Bcc: field are designed to send
messages to other people without the recipients knowing who received the
message besides him/herself. The only difference is what is shown in the
To: field of the recipient. If you use Bcc: this one will say "Undisclosed
Recipients" (unless you change it) and if you use Lcc: it will say the
name of the list that you sent it to (like "my family" or something like
that). Usually Lcc: is used for addresses that are already in your
addressbook, so now that I think about it, I guess you should use the Bcc:
field instead.

There is also an online help for every field. Just move the cursor to
the field that you need help on, and press ^G.

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I'm using Pine 4.21 on a redhat 6.1 Linux machine. Recently I had to
reformat my hd and subsequently lost my old pgp4pinerc. I've set it up the
same as before, but when I hit ^X to send on version 1.74-2, nothing
happens, pgp or gpg is not detected. If I remove pgp4pine 1.74 and install
the 1.73 rpm, everything works fine. No big problem, but I'm curious about
it. Also, when I query the rpm in gnomerpm, it returns errors, or I will
get a warning notice about the holger tmp file.
Anyone else noticed the same thing?
Thanks
- -- dale

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-Spanish Proverb

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mmm...saw I forgot to include what versions of pgp and gpg I'm using in
my last message:
gpg 1.0.0
pgp 6.5.2
pine 4.21

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Hello to all,

I think I actually found a bug using pine. I did receive several mails
encrypted using pgp 5.0 on a os/2 system (I remember that I did already
have this problems earlier with users on other platforms, eg. win9x). When
I try to view this message in the pine-viewer, it just displays half to
the encrypted message and then breaks saying "Error: Formatting
Error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP-encoding". When I actually extract
the message manually from my mail-folder, it can be decrypted without
problems. I also tried to view my folder with mutt: no problem at
all. Doesn't break. However, I like pine better. :)

This morning, I upgraded from pine 4.10 to 4.21 in order to solve the
problem, but it is the same thing as before. I actually regard this as a
bug as there does not seem to be an error in pgp or anything else to me.
The main problem is that pine will not start the display filter and
therefore the mail cannot be decrypted in a "standard way" but must be
extracted from my folder file manually, which is really NOT satisfying. ;)

Anyone ideas for a workaround?

Gregory, Waiblingen, Germany
Phone: +49-700-JENSLANG ++ Fax: +49-7151-565718
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I'm not sure if the is the right place to send bug reports
and fixes. Hopefully, some previous mail that I sent to
[email protected] didn't get lost in the noise. I'll
send this one here, though.

While trying to set up the combination of combined-folder-display
and expanded-view-of-folders, I noticed that pine can get
confused when I try to open folders that are in a context other
that the one that I was in when I hit "L". I'm including a patch
that should fix the problem.

The confusion is that pine tries to open the selected folder from
the previous context, rather than trying to open it from the
context that it is truly in. This makes the combined, expanded
folder list nearly useless.

As an example, I have folder collections:

folder-collections="~/mail" mail/[],
"IMAP Folders" {mit.edu/hesiod/imap}INBOX.[],
"MH Folders" #mh/[]

If I'm reading a "#mh/[]" folder, go to the folder lister, and
try to select an imap folder (named "Saved"), pine gives me the
error message:
[Can't open mailbox #mh/Saved: no such folder]

The error message is correct -- there is no folder #mh/Saved,
there is only a {mumble/imap}INBOX.Saved . Note that I selected
the name "Saved[.]" from the IMAP folder section of the
combined folder lister, and not the MH folder section.

The error only occurs on folder list entries that are both
directories and folders, and the simplest cause seems to be
because the "case MC_OPENFLDR" in folder.c's folder_processor()
neglects to set the overall context to the selection's context
before allowing pine to try to open the selected folder.

Applying the following patch to folder.c removes this bug from
the combined expanded folder lister, by setting the overall
context to the context of the highlighted folder when the
MC_OPENFLDR menu command is invoked.

Sincerely,
Jacob Morzinski [email protected]

*** pine4.21/pine/folder.c 2000/02/23 09:32:18 2.1
--- pine4.21/pine/folder.c 2000/03/27 08:10:39
***************
*** 2245,2251 ****
/*--------- Open the selected folder -----------*/
case MC_OPENFLDR :
if(sparms->text.handles
! && folder_total(FOLDERS(sparms->text.handles->h.f.context)))
rv = folder_lister_finish(sparms, sparms->text.handles->h.f.context,
sparms->text.handles->h.f.index);
else
--- 2245,2252 ----
/*--------- Open the selected folder -----------*/
case MC_OPENFLDR :
if(sparms->text.handles
! && folder_total(FOLDERS(sparms->text.handles->h.f.context))
! && (FPROC(sparms)->fs->context = sparms->text.handles->h.f.context))
rv = folder_lister_finish(sparms, sparms->text.handles->h.f.context,
sparms->text.handles->h.f.index);
else

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Pine-info,

I've been wondering about how to configure shortcuts to pine
in several user accounts on a NT 4.0 (SP6) workstation. Is it
possible to point to the same pine.exe from all of them and to
specify with a flag the individual users' pinerc's? Where would
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check out here:

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/

specifically here:

http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#shortcut

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Christof Galli wrote:

> I've been wondering about how to configure shortcuts to pine
> in several user accounts on a NT 4.0 (SP6) workstation. Is it
> possible to point to the same pine.exe from all of them and to
> specify with a flag the individual users' pinerc's? Where would
> these pinerc's have to be located?

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Has anyone written any pine user documentation/manual?
If so, would you we willing to share?

I'm interested in any "Using Pine" documentation primarily
for the Unix environment.

Thanks,

Denny Watkins
Morningside College
Jacobsen Computer Center
1501 Morningside Ave.
Sioux City, Iowa 51106

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Denny Watkins wrote:

> Has anyone written any pine user documentation/manual?
> If so, would you we willing to share?

pine devolopment, the documentation, and pine itself has always been
about "sharing"

this links to a lot of the online documentation (like how to use it):

http://www.washington.edu/pine/

* especially check the non-UW resources

> I'm interested in any "Using Pine" documentation primarily
> for the Unix environment.
>
> Thanks,

how about you enable-sigdashes so that pine can remove your signature on
reply (if you enable that option)

> Denny Watkins
> Morningside College
> Jacobsen Computer Center
> 1501 Morningside Ave.
> Sioux City, Iowa 51106
>
> Email: [email protected]
> Voice: 712-274-5250
> Fax: 712-274-5378
>

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*** Denny Watkins wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Has anyone written any pine user documentation/manual?
:) If so, would you we willing to share?
:)
:) I'm interested in any "Using Pine" documentation primarily
:) for the Unix environment.
:)

All possible documentation about pine can be gotten from pine itself. It
can even be printed. From the main menu go to the help link in the top and
follow it. It will have all the information on pine you'll ever need to
know. You can print it all by pressing the letter "Z" while in there.

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Gee, I was about to write this up about the GUI mail program here,
but it's really pine.

Why does pine not mark the messages in sent-mail as 'read'?

I'm putting them there to keep a copy, not as something I want to read
again (unless I'm looking for a specific message).

In other words, it seems to me it would be GREAT if it automatically set
them as READ as it saved them in sent-mail.. The GUI mailer I use at work
(MailViewer) does this, and I actually think it's the right thing to do.

I noticed this as when I go into my sent-mail on my work mail account,
some messages appear as New and some don't.. Just today I realized the
"New" ones were ones I'd sent from pine..

BTW, nobody answered about the reproducible crash that I sent a backtrace
for..

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 [email protected] wrote:

> In other words, it seems to me it would be GREAT if it automatically set
> them as READ as it saved them in sent-mail.. The GUI mailer I use at work
> (MailViewer) does this, and I actually think it's the right thing to do.

I agree. A simple mark-fcc-as-new option would do the trick for me.

> BTW, nobody answered about the reproducible crash that I sent a backtrace
> for..

Send bug reports to [email protected] and you can be sure the
Pine team will read them. Someone reads all the mail sent to pine@cac, as
well, but you might not get a response unless you're a UW affiliate.

Pine people: Please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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Hello.

We use pine 4.21 under IBM AIX 4.1. Even if color_style ist set to
no-color, pine reset the colors of an aixterm or xterm terminal window when
the user quits pine. Pine sends <esc>[32m<esc>[40m (2 times) just before
the final message 'Pine finished -- ...' appears. This changes the colors
the user has selected and may render the aixterm or xterm windows
unusuable.

To fix this bug I made the following change:

diff -bc pine/osdep/termout.unx.orig pine/osdep/termout.unx
*** pine/osdep/termout.unx.orig Sat Jul 3 00:14:48 1999
--- pine/osdep/termout.unx Wed Mar 29 10:14:06 2000
***************
*** 279,285 ****
MoveCursor(_lines - 2, 0);

/* unset colors */
! if(pico_hascolor())
pico_endcolor();

if(_termcap_end != NULL)
--- 279,285 ----
MoveCursor(_lines - 2, 0);

/* unset colors */
! if(pico_usingcolor())
pico_endcolor();

if(_termcap_end != NULL)

After that change, pine leaves the color settings unchanged

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   Hi,
    Our pine users wants to have the header "From:" when they
send messages. I looked
    in the PINE FAQ and did the changes in the file ./pine/osdep/os-osf.h
as mentioned
    in the FAQ.
  From  /* #define NEVER_ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM */
    to      #define ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM
  I have compiled the program  and created the binary. Still
Iam not having any success.
   Iam using pine4.21. I have tried with adding in the user .pinerc
file:
  # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages
 default-composer-hdrs=From:[email protected]
# Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing
 customized-hdrs=Reply-to:[email protected]
 I get the following message when I try to compose a mail:
 > NOT allowed to Change header "From:" <
  
    Thanks for help and with regards,
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Hi,
Sorry for the previous mails.

Our pine users wants to have the header "From:" when they send messages.
I looked
in the PINE FAQ and did the changes in the file ./pine/osdep/os-osf.h as
mentioned
in the FAQ.

From /* #define NEVER_ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM */

to #define ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM

I have compiled the program and created the binary. Still Iam not having
any success.
Iam using pine4.21. I have tried with adding in the user .pinerc file:

# Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages
default-composer-hdrs=From:[email protected]

# Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing
customized-hdrs=Reply-to:[email protected]

I get the following message when I try to compose a mail:

> NOT allowed to Change header "From:" <

Thanks for help and with regards,
Kumar

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Padiyath Sreekumar
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Unix Systems
Department of Information and Techonology
Paul Scherrer Institute
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I'm geting the error that say Inbox is locked by another process.

That process does not exist.

Here's what i have tried.

1) echo "" > /var/mail/spool/terzo emptyped out my mail
2) rm /var/mail/spool/terzo and recreated with correct permission(root
acces)
3) rm mail directory
4) and even reboot the box... ( i hate doing this)

there is no terzo.lock in the spool directory. i'm assuming that the lock
was placed using flock. How do i get rid of that lock?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

thanks.

terzo

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> 1) echo "" > /var/mail/spool/terzo emptyped out my mail
> 2) rm /var/mail/spool/terzo and recreated with correct permission(root
> acces)
> 3) rm mail directory
> 4) and even reboot the box... ( i hate doing this)
>
> there is no terzo.lock in the spool directory. i'm assuming that the lock
> was placed using flock. How do i get rid of that lock?
>
> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Sorry to bother you.. persistence pays off sometimes.. got to checking my
logs and was getting the error

linux pine: Mailbox lock file /tmp/.302.29045 open failure: Permission
denied

well got to snooping around.. my user couldn't create the file .302.29045

so i got to looking and the permissions on temp were not set up properly?
that puzzles me... but then again i have to give sudo rights out to a few
people where chmod is on of those commands they can use.

so i'm going to be doing investigations.

thanks for the help though.

terzo

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Hello to all,

I recently posted a question into this forum regarding problems with using
pine and gpg / pgp on Linux. I had a QP-encoding problem. Actually, nobody
replied.

Well, I found out yesterday what had happened. So if someone is interested
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(which was not a pine bug, indeed).

Gregory, Waiblingen, Germany
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From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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Thanks very much. We agree that this is a bug and that you're fix is
correct. Thanks.

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On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Juergen Obermann wrote:

> Hello.
>
> We use pine 4.21 under IBM AIX 4.1. Even if color_style ist set to
> no-color, pine reset the colors of an aixterm or xterm terminal window when
> the user quits pine. Pine sends <esc>[32m<esc>[40m (2 times) just before
> the final message 'Pine finished -- ...' appears. This changes the colors
> the user has selected and may render the aixterm or xterm windows
> unusuable.
>
> To fix this bug I made the following change:
>
> diff -bc pine/osdep/termout.unx.orig pine/osdep/termout.unx
> *** pine/osdep/termout.unx.orig Sat Jul 3 00:14:48 1999
> --- pine/osdep/termout.unx Wed Mar 29 10:14:06 2000
> ***************
> *** 279,285 ****
> MoveCursor(_lines - 2, 0);
>
> /* unset colors */
> ! if(pico_hascolor())
> pico_endcolor();
>
> if(_termcap_end != NULL)
> --- 279,285 ----
> MoveCursor(_lines - 2, 0);
>
> /* unset colors */
> ! if(pico_usingcolor())
> pico_endcolor();
>
> if(_termcap_end != NULL)
>
> After that change, pine leaves the color settings unchanged

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Hello fellow Pine users.

I will be upgrading AIX from 4.2.1 to 4.3.3 in the near future, and I need to
know the "a41" build of Pine will work at this release.

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You don't have to edit the source to allow From changing. The edit you
made shouldn't hurt, though. There is a hidden feature called
"allow-changing-from". If you want everybody to be allowed, you can put it
in the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf file. Otherwise, an individual can add it
to their .pinerc file.

There is a config variable in the file called feature-list. It might look
like:

feature-list=enable-incoming-folders,
auto-zoom-after-select

and so on. You should add allow-changing from to the list.

feature-list=enable-incoming-folders,
allow-changing-from,
auto-zoom-after-select

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I send a message containing a text attachment to another user who
complains that my text attachment is no longer a text attachment, but is
inline. The user complains that they cannot detach the attachment as a
separate file.

I determined that this problem occurred when I upgraded from pine 4.10 to
pine 4.21 because pine 4.21 includes "INLINE" instead of "attachment" in
the Content-Disposition MIME header.

Here are the complete MIME attachment header lines for pine 4.21 which
produce the problem:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: INLINE; filename="sig"
Content-Description:
Content-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name=sig

Here are the complete MIME attachment header lines for pine 4.10 which
produce the desired detachable attachment:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64
Content-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10003310834200.47812@scmh1>
Content-Description:
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=sig
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=sig

What can I do to get the desired results? Is there a way that I can
specify the value of the Content-Disposition header when I attach the text
file? Or is this just a pine 4.21 bug?

I feel that for pine 4.21 to make my attachment inline is a bug, because I
intentionally attached the file. If I had wanted to put the text inline,
I would have used the Ctrl R (Read File) command, not the Ctrl J (Attach)
command.

Marilyn Perry

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I sent this to the bug-report address, but have received nothing but the
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a bug, and/or know how to fix it?

thanx in advance - Mike
*** *** *** *** *** ***

Hello - I believe I've found a bug in pine v4.21. I've already searched in
comp.mail.pine, and on your web site, without finding any reference to this
situation.

I support pine at Fermilab, and am pretty familiar with it. I'm currently
running pine v4.05 on IRIX 6.2, IRIX 6.5, Solaris 5.6, Solaris 5.7, (Redhat)
Linux+2, and OSF1 v40d.

I just downloaded pine v4.21, unwound it, and built it on SunOS 5.6. Since I
also use exmh occasionally, I have my mail configured to use mh folders as
the default. Pine also 'Fcc's me for every message I send, but I have not
set any of the Fcc config parameters. By default, pine v4.05 puts my Fcc
messages into the #mh/sent-mail folder. However, when I do the same in
v4.21, I get the following chain of messages:

Send message? y

Folder "sent-mail" in <#mh> doesn't exist. Create? y
Y [Yes]
N No

[Fcc Error: "Can't create mailbox #mh/sent-mai...". Message NOT sent or copied.]

-
When I go into my .pinerc-debug1 file, I find the following ERROR message:

---- COMPOSER ----
new win size -----<24 80>------
new win size -----<24 80>------
Want_to read: y (121)
new win size -----<24 80>------
Want_to read: y (121)
IMAP 11:36:43 3/2 mm_log ERROR: Can't create mailbox #mh/sent-mail: mailbox already exists

-*-*-

This ONLY happens when #mh/sent-mail already exists, or when I'm using #mh
as my default mail structure. When I remove #mh/sent-mail, or when I set
mu default directlry to 'native pine' format, I have no trouble with Fcc.

If it will help, I can send you copies of my .pine-debug, .pinerc, and
pine.conf files.

Mike Stolz <[email protected]> - Computing Division
Fermi National Accelerator Lab - 630-840-8060

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To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: probable #mh-related bug in pine v4.21
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Michael Stolz wrote:
> Folder "sent-mail" in <#mh> doesn't exist. Create? y

> [Fcc Error: "Can't create mailbox #mh/sent-mai...". Message NOT sent or copied.]

I'm having the same error in pine 4.21 with IMAP folders. Before
opening the fcc folder, pine tries to test to see if it exists,
but it does this by calling a function that checks to see if it
is-a-folder-but-is-not-a-directory. I consider this to be a
logic bug in pine, but haven't wrapped my head around the code
enough yet to see what the right way to fix it is.

This check will fail on MH folders and on IMAP folders, both of
which can have a FCC folder which is a folder and is a directory.

A work-around for IMAP is to fully specify the path to the fcc
folder ( "{host}INBOX.Sent" ). I haven't tested it, but the same
work-around for MH might be to fully specify "#mh/sent" instead
of letting pine look around for the default save location.

Sincerely,
Jacob Morzinski [email protected]