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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email protected]>
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Hello,

Today I received a personal message with a "Newsgroup:" header. If I had
seen the same message in Pine4.53 I would have seen a warning

"Unverified Newsgroup header -- Message MAY or MAY NOT have been posted"

at the bottom of the screen. Pine4.56, however, did not give this warning.
This contributed significantly to make my reply go to the newsgroup.

In this case, no harm was done. However, I believe this is not a good
thing. this change was not documented in the Release Notes of Pine.

However, observe that the file "imap/docs/RELNOTES" says:

<Quote>
Updated: 28 May 2003

imap-2002d is a minor release, released concurrently with Pine 4.56, and
contains primarily bugfixes. Programs written for imap-2002 should build
with this version without modification, with one exception. That
exception is the ngbogus envelope flag, which stopped being used in
imap-2002c and is now gone for good.
</Quote>

The change described above caused the problem. Could the old behavior be
brought back please? Thanks.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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Eduardo,

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Today I received a personal message with a "Newsgroup:" header. If I had
> seen the same message in Pine4.53 I would have seen a warning
>
> "Unverified Newsgroup header -- Message MAY or MAY NOT have been posted"

I looked at the code that generates this message when I wrote my
User-Agent patch for 4.56. The test you're refering to was called as
part of a relatively dirty piece of code (labeled as a kludge in the
comments) in 4.55 and below. They removed the kludge, but got rid of
that test as well, it seems.

--
Nicolas

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*** Nicolas Christin ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) > Today I received a personal message with a "Newsgroup:" header. If
:) > I had seen the same message in Pine4.53 I would have seen a warning
:) >
:) > "Unverified Newsgroup header -- Message MAY or MAY NOT have been
:) > posted"
:)
:) I looked at the code that generates this message when I wrote my
:) User-Agent patch for 4.56. The test you're refering to was called as
:) part of a relatively dirty piece of code (labeled as a kludge in the
:) comments) in 4.55 and below. They removed the kludge, but got rid of
:) that test as well, it seems.

Right, take a look at Nancy's web page and look at the link to the
"comp.mail.pine fiasco". Maybe it will change your mind, or maybe not. I
believe that this should not have changed, and since it changed it should
have been added to the Release Notes. It was done in secrecy. Bad idea in
my opinion. I believe the old behavior should be back.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Nicolas Christin ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list...:
>
> :) > "Unverified Newsgroup header -- Message MAY or MAY NOT have been
> :) > posted"
> :)
> :) I looked at the code that generates this message when I wrote my
> :) User-Agent patch for 4.56. The test you're refering to was called as
> :) part of a relatively dirty piece of code (labeled as a kludge in the
> :) comments) in 4.55 and below. They removed the kludge, but got rid of
> :) that test as well, it seems.
>
> Right, take a look at Nancy's web page and look at the link to the
> "comp.mail.pine fiasco". Maybe it will change your mind, or maybe not.

I think I haven't been very clear in my original post. I totally agree
with you. I didn't advocate removing this piece of code, I was just
saying that, judging from what I have seen while working on the
User-Agent patch, the developers had gotten rid of that entire segment
of code in 4.56, including the Newsgroup header test.

> I believe that this should not have changed, and since it changed it
> should have been added to the Release Notes. It was done in secrecy.
> Bad idea in my opinion. I believe the old behavior should be back.

I don't buy the conspiracy theory - presumably it was just a mistake.
They had the good idea to clean up some of the code, but unfortunately
ended up discarding something useful. That happens. That being said,
yes, I think it should be back too.

--
Nicolas

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On 2 Aug 2003 Nicolas Christin ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> I don't buy the conspiracy theory - presumably it was just a mistake.
> They had the good idea to clean up some of the code, but unfortunately
> ended up discarding something useful. That happens. That being said,
> yes, I think it should be back too.

And added to the Pine test suite so it doesn't happen again!

--
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Writing about procmail, imap, pine, spam-deflexion strategies & more

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Hello!

Imap-2002 has support for 1-byte to
1-byte character set translation. Pine has
some (rather strange to me) support for japan
multibyte to 1-byte translation.
But I can't find support for translation
of other character tables. As for me, I need
UTF-8 -> KOI-8r translation. I can make a patch
for UTF-8 -> (cyrillic encodings) just like
it is done for japan. But adding another hack
(like japan multibyte) doesn't seem a good idea
to me.
I'm rather new to pine source, so may be
somebody has a good idea, how to implement it?

Bye. Alex.
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Today I received a personal message with a "Newsgroup:" header. If I had
> seen the same message in Pine4.53 I would have seen a warning
>
> "Unverified Newsgroup header -- Message MAY or MAY NOT have been posted"
>
> at the bottom of the screen. Pine4.56, however, did not give this warning.
> This contributed significantly to make my reply go to the newsgroup.

You are correct that we did take out this behavior, and it is
unfortunately something that got left off of the Release Notes. As
Nicolas Christin mentioned in his response, that piece of code was based
on a kludge, and we decided that that code made some rather arbitrary
assumptions that don't make sense anymore.

We took out the message entirely, as it seemed to us a message with very
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helped. There are still safeguards to prevent messages from accidentally
getting sent out, such as the prompt to Post or Followup, and especially
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Jeff

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*** Jeff Franklin ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:)
:) > Today I received a personal message with a "Newsgroup:" header. If
:) > I had seen the same message in Pine4.53 I would have seen a warning
:) >
:) > "Unverified Newsgroup header -- Message MAY or MAY NOT have been
:) > posted"
:) >
:) > at the bottom of the screen. Pine4.56, however, did not give this
:) > warning. This contributed significantly to make my reply go to the
:) > newsgroup.
:)
:) You are correct that we did take out this behavior, and it is
:) unfortunately something that got left off of the Release Notes. As
:) Nicolas Christin mentioned in his response, that piece of code was
:) based on a kludge, and we decided that that code made some rather
:) arbitrary assumptions that don't make sense anymore.
:)
:) We took out the message entirely, as it seemed to us a message with
:) very little information, and one that probably confused more people
:) than it helped. There are still safeguards to prevent messages from
:) accidentally getting sent out, such as the prompt to Post or Followup,
:) and especially the "Posted message may go to thousands of readers.
:) Really post?".

Hi Jeff,

There's one thing that is good about the kludge. It would have made me
check if the message actually went to the newsgroup before I replied. I
would not have replied to it and posted it in the newsgroup, had I known
any better.

I suppose I can be considered a power user of Pine and none of the work
arounds that you suggest really work for me. I would not mind if I had to
enable this warning, but please do not just eliminate it.

It's really useful, I mean it.

Thank you for your consideration.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On 4 Aug 2003 Jeff Franklin ([email protected]) wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>
> > Today I received a personal message with a "Newsgroup:" header. If I had
> > seen the same message in Pine4.53 I would have seen a warning
>
>
> You are correct that we did take out this behavior, and it is
> unfortunately something that got left off of the Release Notes. As
> Nicolas Christin mentioned in his response, that piece of code was based
> on a kludge, and we decided that that code made some rather arbitrary
> assumptions that don't make sense anymore.
>
> We took out the message entirely, as it seemed to us a message with very
> little information, and one that probably confused more people than it
> helped. There are still safeguards to prevent messages from accidentally
> getting sent out, such as the prompt to Post or Followup, and especially
> the "Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really post?".

But what if the message you are replying to was a *personal*
email message that happens to have a Newsgroups header for
informational purposes only (i.e., it was not actually posted to
a Newsgroup)? It seems like we are back to the way things were
during "The 1995 Newsgroups Header Fiasco," which I talk about
here:

<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#fiasco>

Is the kludge that you took out the one that checked for a Path
header? This (I hope) is not going to be as disasterous as it was
in 1995 because 1) there are not as many people using
newsreaders, such as nn, that include a Newsgroups header in
email-only message and 2) maybe less people are *both* posting
and emailing a reply because the world of email has turned into a
cesspool of spam and fake From addresses.

--
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Hello!

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In such case, pine shows only list address in "From"
header field. Is the a way to see part in () ?

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> cesspool of spam and fake From addresses.

Oops, what I meant to say for #2 is:

maybe there are less people now who send a reply to a newsgroup
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As it was written on Aug 5, thus Alexander V Alekseev spake unto Pine...:

Alex: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:47:35 +0400 (MSD)
Alex: From: Alexander V Alekseev <[email protected]>
Alex: To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Alex: Subject: "From" in message list.
Alex:
Alex: Hello!
Alex:
Alex: Some mail lists rewrite "From" address of messages
Alex: to list address, inserting non-address part of it into
Alex: brackets. Like this:
Alex:
Alex: From: "Alexander V Alekseev" <[email protected]>
Alex:
Alex: becomes like this:
Alex: From: <[email protected]> (Alexander V Alekseev)
Alex: or even like this:
Alex: From: <[email protected]>(=?koi8-r?B?5MDLz9fBIOXLwdTF0snOwQ==?=)
Alex:
Alex: In such case, pine shows only list address in "From"
Alex: header field. Is the a way to see part in () ?
Alex:
Alex: Bye. Alex.

Have you tried turning on full headers?

Thanks

Scott Birl
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Hello!

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Birl wrote:

> As it was written on Aug 5, thus Alexander V Alekseev spake unto Pine...:
>
> Alex: Some mail lists rewrite "From" address of messages
> Alex: to list address, inserting non-address part of it into
> Alex: brackets. Like this:
> Alex:
> Alex: From: "Alexander V Alekseev" <[email protected]>
> Alex:
> Alex: becomes like this:
> Alex: From: <[email protected]> (Alexander V Alekseev)
> Alex: or even like this:
> Alex: From: <[email protected]>(=?koi8-r?B?5MDLz9fBIOXLwdTF0snOwQ==?=)
> Alex:
> Alex: In such case, pine shows only list address in "From"
> Alex: header field. Is the a way to see part in () ?
>
> Have you tried turning on full headers?
Yes. Of course it works (it would be strange, if it doesn't).
But:
1) I can't see 'full headers' in message list.
2) It's rather difficult to read undecoded mail (in full headers
mode). ;-))

Bye. Alex.

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Hello!

BTW: pine has a bug in decoding. Header like this:
--------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [apache-talk] Re[2]: [apache-talk]
=?KOI8-R?Q?=ED=CF=D6=CE=CF?=
=?KOI8-R?Q?_=CC=C9_=D3=C4=C5=CC=C1=D4=D8_=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=CF=CE?=
=?KOI8-R?Q?=C5=DA=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=CF=CE=C5=DA=C1=D7=C9=D
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Subject Re: [apache-talk] Re[2]: [apache-talk] <...skipped...> =?KOI8-R?Q?=C5=DA=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=CF=CE=C5=DA=C1=D7=C9=D
--------------------------------------------------------

Does anyone knows why?

Bye. Alex.

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I *swear* I remember that at one time, you could do a "S"ave(? I think)
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> There's one thing that is good about the kludge. It would have made me
> check if the message actually went to the newsgroup before I replied. I
> would not have replied to it and posted it in the newsgroup, had I known
> any better.

Hi Eduardo,

I'm still trying to figure out why the "Followup, Reply, or Both" prompt
and the "Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really post?"
prompt are not sufficient enough to prevent most accidents from happening.
Also, why is the old message more useful at view time? That the message
shows at view time seems unnecessary and distracting, wouldn't such a
message be more useful at compose time?

"Unverified Newsgroup Header" doesn't tell me much. Any message not in a
newsgroup with a Newsgroup header is unverified, and it seems to me to be
overly paranoid to warn whenever a user views a such a message.

It's easy enough to add a warning back into the code. I am soliciting
from you your suggestions as to when such a message should appear (and
under what conditions), and why you don't think the two prompts are
enough. We'll probably just do whatever you suggest.

Thanks,
Jeff

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*** Jeff Franklin ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:)
:) > Hi Jeff,
:) >
:) > There's one thing that is good about the kludge. It would have made
:) > me check if the message actually went to the newsgroup before I
:) > replied. I would not have replied to it and posted it in the
:) > newsgroup, had I known any better.
:)
:) Hi Eduardo,
:)
:) I'm still trying to figure out why the "Followup, Reply, or Both"
:) prompt and the "Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really
:) post?" prompt are not sufficient enough to prevent most accidents from
:) happening.

Hi Jeff,

I think we agree on this point. I wish I could find a way to replace
"most" by "all" in your above quoted sentence.

:) Also, why is the old message more useful at view time? That the
:) message shows at view time seems unnecessary and distracting, wouldn't
:) such a message be more useful at compose time?

I see your point, but I am not sure when it would be convenient to see
this message. I find it more of a problem when you actually compose the
reply of the message, because verifying that the message was posted (or
not), ultimately decides where are you going to send your reply. In my
case, this would mean that I would receive the warning twice, for as long
as that message lasted in the screen. It would become annoying very
rapidly.

:) "Unverified Newsgroup Header" doesn't tell me much. Any message not in
:) a newsgroup with a Newsgroup header is unverified, and it seems to me
:) to be overly paranoid to warn whenever a user views a such a message.

Granted, but the kludge tried to identify clients that used the newsgroup
header in the way that you intended it to be used (as a signal that the
message had been sent to a newsgroup), so for example, messages posted and
mailed by Pine did not get that warning. That's a good compromise I think.

Of course, the ideal would be not to have that kludge, but I can't see a
way to eliminate it either. I got an e-mail which proves to me that that
kludge is still useful.

:) It's easy enough to add a warning back into the code. I am soliciting
:) from you your suggestions as to when such a message should appear (and
:) under what conditions), and why you don't think the two prompts are
:) enough. We'll probably just do whatever you suggest.

I've been thinking about this, and I am quite convinced that I want this
warning before I press the 'R' key to reply.

Here there are two ideas:

1) To keep the old behavior exactly as it was (that means to return the
ngbogus field to the c-client library, and all the old code taken from
Pine), but I would change the text of the warning. Here are some ideas:

"Newsgroup header indicates that this message MAY have been posted"

"This message MAY have been posted (verify before replying)"

2) To add a handle at the bottom of the message that says something like

[ Note: Message MAY have been posted. Verify it now ]

following that handle would take you to a screen with the list of all
the newsgroups in the newsgroup fields, which when selected allow you to
open the above said newsgroup, where you can check if the message was
posted by looking at the index. I'm not quite sure that this is a god
idea but I thought I would comment on it, instead of deleting it totally
from this message.

The drawbacks of the first and second method are the same. Even if the
message was posted, there's no reason to believe that it will be in the
newsgroup in, say, 15 days, so actually verifying that the message was
posted may turn out unsuccessful, but what is good, is that there was a
warning, and so you'll think twice when you hit the 'R' key to reply about
what you want to do next with your message.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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Hello all -

Not so much a bug, as a request for some advice...

We use Pine on a few servers (differing versions, but this seems to affect
all of them - 4.44 for example) to connect to our IMAP server.

We previously used Sun Internet Mail Server, SIMS version 4. When a
directory was created (as opposed to a mail folder), it appeared with a
[/] suffix - and hitting "Enter" or ">" took you to a listing of the mail
folders (or other directories) within. Probably because Pine knew SIMS
didn't support having mail in a directory, just in folders..

We migrated this weekend to Sun One Messaging (also known as iPlanet
Messaging Server), version 5.2. All of a sudden every folder is now a
directory with a [/] suffix - probably just a "feature" of the migration.

That's livable. Here's the problem. Any directories from before (not
folders, directories) at first appeared to have nothing in them. What we
eventually discovered was the distinction between using the ">" key to
enter the directory and see the sub-folders (which were all there) and
using the "Enter" key to view messages actually in the directory (of which
there were none).

So.... long story short... isn't there any way to make this more
intuitive? For example, have "Enter" list the sub-directories if there's
no actual mail in the directory itself? Or have it so that when you hit
"Enter" it shows you the sub-directories *and* the mail itself (or at
least an option saying "View mail in this actual directory?)

Right now, we have users who think they have "lost" mail folders because
they enter a directory and see nothing when using the "Enter" key. We are
trying to re-educate them, but it seems like there should be a better way.
I've searched the setable options, and don't see anything on point for
this.

Thanks for any help!

Jeff Baxter
Manager, Technology Engineering
Information Systems and Services
George Washington University

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Hello Alexander,

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Alexander V Alekseev wrote:
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> BTW: pine has a bug in decoding. Header like this:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [apache-talk] Re[2]: [apache-talk]
> =?KOI8-R?Q?=ED=CF=D6=CE=CF?=
> =?KOI8-R?Q?_=CC=C9_=D3=C4=C5=CC=C1=D4=D8_=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=CF=CE?=
> =?KOI8-R?Q?=C5=DA=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=CF=CE=C5=DA=C1=D7=C9=D

Does the last line really look like what I quote it above?

While the two lines above it look like containing valid encoded-words
as specified, in RFC 2047, it looks the last line is not a 'encoded-word'
like I read http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2047.txt.

Naturally speaking it says:

| Generally, an "encoded-word" is a sequence of printable ASCII characters
| that begins with "=?", ends with "?=", and has two "?"s in between.

The exact syntax is:

| encoded-word = "=?" charset "?" encoding "?" encoded-text "?="

More rules apply, but this is the basic requirement for an 'encoded-word'
and it must not contain line breaks, so even if the "?=" would come later,
it would be too late.

To a human, the last line looks like containing such 'encoded-word', but
while the word suspectible to be a 'encoded-word', it does not end with "?=",
and so it does not conform to the syntax covered by RFC 2047, as I read it,
so it has to be displayed as-is, which pine does.

Maybe it conforms to an other RFC which tells how to handl such strings,
but I don't know it, but I'm also not an expert in these issues.

> is decoded only up to the 3rd line, leaving the last line "as
> is". It looks like:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Subject Re: [apache-talk] Re[2]: [apache-talk] <...skipped...> =?KOI8-R?Q?=C5=DA=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=CF=CE=C5=DA=C1=D7=C9=D
> --------------------------------------------------------

This looks correct according to RFC 2047 to me, the last line does
not contain anything which is covered by it, and I think at least
pine does not implement other RFCs for MIME Message Header Header
Extensions which encode non US-ASCII strings.

My assumption is that the message may have been corrupted on the
way to pine, maybe by the sending email program. Maybe it has
a limited number of bytes it can use internally to handle long
encoded subject strings and maybe this limit has been reached
or even overflown(which would be bad for the user of this program)

Maybe you want to ask the sender if his program crashed some time
after sending this mail(which would also have security implications)

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Hello!

It seems, you're right.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Bernhard Kaindl wrote:

> > =?KOI8-R?Q?=C5=DA=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=CF=CE=C5=DA=C1=D7=C9=D
>
> Does the last line really look like what I quote it above?
Yes.

> The exact syntax is:
>
> | encoded-word = "=?" charset "?" encoding "?" encoded-text "?="

[...skipped...]

> My assumption is that the message may have been corrupted on the
> way to pine, maybe by the sending email program. Maybe it has
It seems, it's bug on sender side. Searching in mail archive,
I found exactly last line as a substring of another encoded line.
So, it's really corrupted.

Thank you for valuable help.

Bye. Alex.

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As I read through the various mailing lists, I often flag messages as
Important. A question just occured to me:

Will Pine support different levels of importance, or shall I say priority?
Something that can be easily seen whether
index-format=IMAPSTATUS or
index-format=STATUS

I would love to see this in future releases.

Suggestion: Instead of using a *, use a numbering system (1-5) like the
X-Priority header uses.

Thanks

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Kenneth Crudup wrote:

> I *swear* I remember that at one time, you could do a "S"ave(? I think)
> on an attached VCARD and Pine would prompt to save the readily-mapped
> fields into your address book. Is this right, or am I on crack?
>
> -Kenny

That's right. It still seems to work for me. It is Save. Maybe pine isn't
recognizing it as a genuine VCARD attachment.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Granted, but the kludge tried to identify clients that used the newsgroup
> header in the way that you intended it to be used (as a signal that the
> message had been sent to a newsgroup), so for example, messages posted and
> mailed by Pine did not get that warning. That's a good compromise I think.

This is the part of the old code that will most likely not be returning.
The new behavior would warn for ALL messages in non-nntp mailboxes that
have a Newsgroup header. The presence of "Pine" in the Message-id is by
no means an indication that the message was posted. I'm now picturing a
warning to be shown after a user says to Followup this type of message,
saying something like "Replying to message that may or may not have been
posted to newsgroup". Unless I hear any objections, consider it added.

Jeff

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*** Jeff Franklin ([email protected]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:)
:) > Granted, but the kludge tried to identify clients that used the
:) > newsgroup header in the way that you intended it to be used (as a
:) > signal that the message had been sent to a newsgroup), so for
:) > example, messages posted and mailed by Pine did not get that warning.
:) > That's a good compromise I think.
:)
:) This is the part of the old code that will most likely not be
:) returning. The new behavior would warn for ALL messages in non-nntp
:) mailboxes that have a Newsgroup header. The presence of "Pine" in the
:) Message-id is by no means an indication that the message was posted.
:) I'm now picturing a warning to be shown after a user says to Followup
:) this type of message, saying something like "Replying to message that
:) may or may not have been posted to newsgroup". Unless I hear any
:) objections, consider it added.

Hi Jeff,

Consider my earlier message my objection. What will happen will be that
a user will press 'R' to reply, they'll recive the warning, cancel the
reply to check if the message was posted (which may take a long time),
then go back to the folder, press 'R' again and see the same message
again, for as many seconds as that will take (3 to 4 seconds of inactivity
each time?).

I find this worse than the old behavior.

Thank you for your consideration.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Granted, but the kludge tried to identify clients that used the
> newsgroup header in the way that you intended it to be used (as a
> signal that the message had been sent to a newsgroup), so for example,
> messages posted and mailed by Pine did not get that warning. That's a
> good compromise I think.

Eduardo,

I do not think identifying a few clients is the way to go. The kludge
was pretty horrible. It was checking against a few "good" MUAs, with
some ad-hoc tests, such as verifying the Message-ID starts with "Pine.".
Needless to say, a simple patch such as moving the "Pine" field to a
User-Agent header would break the whole thing. (That's why my User-Agent
patch was _not_ a two-liner in 4.55 and below.) In addition, as far
as I remember, the kludge did not check against some more recent
newsgroup readers such as slrn, Mozilla, did not check the presence of a
User-Agent field, etc.

I, for one, am glad this kludge is gone. On the other hand, any other
method of identifying that the Newsgroup header has been properly used
would be very welcome.

If you don't see any way of doing that other than checking for a few
"reasonable" mailers (which again I think is a bad idea), I suggest you
revisit the kludge in question. Move the Pine.ABC.xxx to the User-Agent
field (see the patch for that to save you some effort), and test whether
a User-Agent field has been set. Except for pine, pretty much all
"reasonable" mailers/newsreaders use one.

--
Nicolas

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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Consider my earlier message my objection. What will happen will be that
> a user will press 'R' to reply, they'll recive the warning, cancel the
> reply to check if the message was posted (which may take a long time),
> then go back to the folder, press 'R' again and see the same message
> again, for as many seconds as that will take (3 to 4 seconds of inactivity
> each time?).

I think we should look at this warning as a measure to prevent people from
shooting themselves in the foot. Someone that is concerned about the
legitimacy of the mail they're responding to can take the time to verify
it as they see fit, whether it be by trusting the message-id header or by
opening the newsgroup to check for the message.

What Nicolas Christin says is spot on. There are so many "trustworthy"
news readers that to compare against a list of them is futile. Also,
those headers can easily be faked.

Jeff

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*** Jeff Franklin ([email protected]) wrote today:

:) On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:)
:) > Consider my earlier message my objection. What will happen will be
:) > that a user will press 'R' to reply, they'll recive the warning,
:) > cancel the reply to check if the message was posted (which may take a
:) > long time), then go back to the folder, press 'R' again and see the
:) > same message again, for as many seconds as that will take (3 to 4
:) > seconds of inactivity each time?).
:)
:) I think we should look at this warning as a measure to prevent people
:) from shooting themselves in the foot. Someone that is concerned about
:) the legitimacy of the mail they're responding to can take the time to
:) verify it as they see fit, whether it be by trusting the message-id
:) header or by opening the newsgroup to check for the message.
:)
:) What Nicolas Christin says is spot on. There are so many "trustworthy"
:) news readers that to compare against a list of them is futile.

Hi Jeff,

I was not talking about the way that Pine checks for trustworthiness of
the fact that the message was posted (I'll talk about this later). What I
said was that it is annoying to have a message that will be there for 4
seconds at least twice in the screen. It's disruptive, especially the
second time.

I admit that one would like to have a system of checking for
trustowrthiness of the newsgroup header that does not depend on the
newsreader used by the sender, that may not possible yet and simply
declaring that it can not be done and ignoring the extra information is a
complete disregard of the reality that we live in and where Pine should
fit in. I think Pine needs to try harder, whatever method you decide to
use to do this.

I believe that the old behavior, even though not perfect, and maybe a
kludge, was far better that what you are going to do now. I guess we'll
have to agree to disagree and I will have to hack Pine. So glad I don't
have to use PC-Pine.

:) Also, those headers can easily be faked.

There are so many headers that can and are faked, I haven't seen anyone
protesting about verifying the FROM field in the index, even when it's
wrong. Why?, because every one seems to either believe it 100% (like in a
personal message), or disregard it (like in spam). In fact, this header is
used to construct the To: header in a reply. Maybe you should be doing the
case that Pine should give a warning saying "From field not verified".

When Pine sorts by thread, it has to use the Date field, which is
unverified. In fact, there are many fields that are used and all of them
can be faked. Not because of this, Pine does not do threads. You are free
to use as many fields as you can to determine a thread.

The fact is that Pine does not verify any headers, so saying that you
can't trust a newsgroup header ever is simply stating something that Pine
does with any field, it does not single out the newsgroup header. As with
threads, you can use as many fields as you like to determine if a message
was posted to a newsgroup with a certain degree of certainty. As you know,
not even the algorithm for threads is 100% fool proof, not everything is
correctly threaded, but nobody is going to stop using threads because of
this. People will encourage you to use more fields (or the fields that
you used in a better way) if they know what was missing when threading was
done. I hereby encourage you to use the message-id (or other headers) to
determine certainty that the message was posted, and if you have a good
certainty that the message was posted do not make me wait for 8 seconds
until the message is gone.

Thanks,

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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I just update my prune table. How can I force my pine to prunse folders?

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How do I configure pine (under unix) so that I can read an attachment with
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> How do I configure pine (under unix) so that I can read an attachment with
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Make sure that the MIME-type of the attachment is correct, and add the
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As it was written on Aug 8, thus Gopi Sundaram spake unto Pine Discussion Forum:

Gopi: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:41:18 -0500 (CDT)
Gopi: From: Gopi Sundaram <[email protected]>
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Gopi: Subject: Re: Reading attachments with external program
Gopi:
Gopi: On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
Gopi:
Gopi: > How do I configure pine (under unix) so that I can read an attachment with
Gopi: > an external program?
Gopi:
Gopi: Make sure that the MIME-type of the attachment is correct, and add the
Gopi: application to handle it in your mailcap file. You may want to add an
Gopi: entry to your mime.types file to identify extensions with MIME-types.
Gopi:
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That may not be sufficent. If Mats is running under X (or CDE, etc),
2 commands might need to be executed:

As root: xhost + localhost
As user: setenv DISPLAY :0

In my situation, Im in CDE (under Solaris 9) as root, yet Im checking my
email through a dtterm as my non-privleged self.

My non-privleged account uses Netscape to view URLs and image attachments,
but without those 2 commands, Netscape will not attach to root's CDE
screen.

Just something to think about.

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Hello!

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Birl wrote:

> That may not be sufficent. If Mats is running under X (or CDE, etc),
> 2 commands might need to be executed:
>
>
> As root: xhost + localhost
It seems to be much secure to copy ~/.Xauthority from root
to non-priviledged user.

> As user: setenv DISPLAY :0

Bye. Alex.

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Alexander V Alekseev wrote (quoting Alexander):

>> That may not be sufficent. If Mats is running under X (or CDE, etc),
>> 2 commands might need to be executed:
<snip>

That refers only to when your Pine session is running under different
privileges than your X session.

> It seems to be much secure to copy ~/.Xauthority from root to
> non-priviledged user.

Many Unix flavors support setting the XAUTHORITY env var to the path to
the .Xauthority file you want to use.

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Hello!

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> > It seems to be much secure to copy ~/.Xauthority from root to
> > non-priviledged user.
>
> Many Unix flavors support setting the XAUTHORITY env var to the path to
> the .Xauthority file you want to use.
You're right. But that works only if you need to start X
applications under only one user, other than root. (Because file must not
be readable by users other than root and the user we expect to. That's
why, we have to "chown our_user ~root/.Xauthority" to let it work,
and also give all(or only that one) users access to the directory with
it. Really, it's usually much more difficult to do, than just copy file.)

Bye. Alex.

PS: It's seems to be off-topic ;-))

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On Aug 8, 2003, 10:41 (-0500) Gopi Sundaram <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:
>
> > How do I configure pine (under unix) so that I can read an attachment with
> > an external program?
>
> Make sure that the MIME-type of the attachment is correct, and add the
> application to handle it in your mailcap file. You may want to add an
> entry to your mime.types file to identify extensions with MIME-types.

I've added the following lines to .mailcap,

Application/MSWORD;/usr/local/bin/antiword %s
Application/PDF;/usr/X11R6/bin/xpdf %s

When I try a PDF attachment, it works as expected, but for MSWORD
attachment, something seems to happen in the background, but it is not
shown to me. Do I have to open an xterm window in some way?

Mats

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> When I try a PDF attachment, it works as expected, but for MSWORD
> attachment, something seems to happen in the background, but it is not
> shown to me. Do I have to open an xterm window in some way?

I've never used antiword, so I don't know.

Try writing a wrapper script around antiword and using that as the
application for word attachments.

Put a sleep at the end of the wrapper script, so you have time to see
what happens before it ends.

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Hi,

I just installed v4.56 on my PC after having been a pine
user under Unix for about 10 years.

I have some questions that I couldn't find in the archives.

1) Is there a way to do away with having to type my password
each time I log in to the POP3 server where my mail is
gathered?

2) Is there a way to tranfer all my saved message folders
(with contents) from the Unix box to my PC?

3) When I delete a message in PC Pine, it seems to also
delete it from the POP3 server. Is that the only way
messages on the server are managed?

Thanks,
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, David Sudjiman wrote:

> Dear All,
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> I just update my prune table. How can I force my pine to prunse folders?
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> thx
> .dave

You have a config variable called "last-time-prune-questioned". Set it
back a month. That is, change it from 103.8 to 103.7.

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Ive noticed that when I run Pine with "-dimap=4,verbose=5" options
that the program will crash (no core) after I add an attachment to the
Attchmnt field.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Problem detected: "Received abort signal(sig=?)".
Pine Exiting.
Abort
-----------------------------------------------------------

Id attach the .pine-debug file, but ....

Debug output of the Pine program (debug=5 debug_imap=4). Version 4.55 (GSO)
Mon Aug 11 14:42:14 2003

Debug file: /export/home/sbirl/.pine-debug1 (level=5 imap=4)

"/usr/local/bin/pine" "-dimap=4,verbose=5"

Setting home dir from $HOME: "/export/home/sbirl"

-- init_pinerc --

Global config "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" is default
Personal config "/export/home/sbirl/.pinerc" is default
Exceptions config not set on cmdline
checking for default "/export/home/sbirl/.pinercex" in pinerc dir
no, there is no exceptions config

Global config: /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
Personal config: /export/home/sbirl/.pinerc
Exceptions config: <none>
Fixed config: /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed

init_vars:
reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf"
Open failed: No such file or directory
reading_pinerc "/export/home/sbirl/.pinerc"
Read 43863 characters:

<snip incoming folders>
<snip folder-collections>

default-fcc : /var/mail/sbirl
feature-list : enable-bounce-cmd
: no-signature-at-bottom
: expunge-without-confirm
: quit-without-confirm
: delete-skips-deleted
: enable-jump-shortcut
: enable-tab-completion
: expanded-view-of-addressbooks
: news-post-without-validation
: enable-mail-check-cue
: enable-incoming-folders
: save-will-advance
: select-without-confirm
: expanded-view-of-folders
: compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
: show-selected-in-boldface
: use-current-dir
: enable-cruise-mode
: no-enable-dot-files
: enable-dot-folders
: enable-flag-cmd
: enable-flag-screen-implicitly
: enable-full-header-cmd
: enable-msg-view-forced-arrows
: enable-search-and-replace
: enable-partial-match-lists
: expunge-without-confirm-everywhere
: show-cursor
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: quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
: include-header-in-reply
: include-text-in-reply
: include-attachments-in-reply
: combined-subdirectory-display
: quell-empty-directories
: separate-folder-and-directory-entries
: compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
: enable-alternate-editor-cmd
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: print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt
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: mark-for-cc
: no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
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: enable-rules-under-take
: enable-reply-indent-string-editing
: enable-print-via-y-command
: enable-suspend
: enable-aggregate-command-set
: news-offers-catchup-on-close
: news-approximates-new-status
: quell-extra-post-prompt
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: fcc-on-bounce
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: no-spell-check-before-sending
: disable-sender
: no-enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
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: return-to-inbox-without-confirm
: enable-msg-view-attachments
: enable-msg-view-urls
: enable-msg-view-web-hostnames
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: print-formfeed-between-messages
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: enable-mouse-in-xterm
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: disable-pipes-in-sigs
: disable-pipes-in-templates
: disable-shared-namespaces
: quell-news-envelope-update
: ldap-result-to-addrbook-add
: expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
default-composer-hdr : From: Birl <[email protected]>
: To
: Cc
: Fcc
: Attchmnt
: Subject
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: Expires
: Return-Receipt-To
: Reply-To
: Reply-By
: Expiry-Date
: X-Status
: Priority
: X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
: X-Message-Flag
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: Sensitivity: Normal
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: X-CONCEPT: sbirl at concept dot temple dot edu composed this message.
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<snip patterns-other>

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reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed"
Open failed: No such file or directory
======= Current_val options set =======
user-domain : concept.temple.edu
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: news.temple.edu
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: news-post-without-validation
: enable-mail-check-cue
: enable-incoming-folders
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: show-selected-in-boldface
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: enable-msg-view-forced-arrows
: enable-search-and-replace
: enable-partial-match-lists
: expunge-without-confirm-everywhere
: show-cursor
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: quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
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: include-attachments-in-reply
: combined-subdirectory-display
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: no-reply-always-uses-reply-to
: mark-for-cc
: no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
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: enable-suspend
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: news-approximates-new-status
: quell-extra-post-prompt
: enable-delivery-status-notification
: fcc-on-bounce
: no-selectable-item-nobold
: no-spell-check-before-sending
: disable-sender
: no-enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
: warn-if-blank-subject
: thread-index-shows-important-color
: return-to-inbox-without-confirm
: enable-msg-view-attachments
: enable-msg-view-urls
: enable-msg-view-web-hostnames
: pass-control-characters-as-is
: print-includes-from-line
: print-formfeed-between-messages
: enable-full-header-and-text
: enable-goto-in-file-browser
: enable-unix-pipe-cmd
: confirm-role-even-for-default
: enable-mouse-in-xterm
: enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
: expose-hidden-config
: show-plain-text-internally
: slash-collapses-entire-thread
: no-disable-password-caching
: disable-pipes-in-sigs
: disable-pipes-in-templates
: disable-shared-namespaces
: quell-news-envelope-update
: ldap-result-to-addrbook-add
: expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
default-composer-hdr : From: Birl <[email protected]>
: To
: Cc
: Fcc
: Attchmnt
: Subject
customized-hdrs : From: Birl <[email protected]>
: Expires
: Return-Receipt-To
: Reply-To
: Reply-By
: Expiry-Date
: X-Status
: Priority
: X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
: X-Message-Flag
: Importance: Normal
: Sensitivity: Normal
: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
: X-CONCEPT: sbirl at concept dot temple dot edu composed this message.
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folder-sort-rule : alphabetical
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threading-index-styl : coll
threading-indicator- : >
threading-expanded-c : -
threading-lastreply- : |
editor : /bin/vi
: /usr/local/bin/pico
composer-wrap-column : 74
reply-indent-string : _FROM_:
reply-leadin : _NEWS_("", "As it was written on _DATE_, thus _FROM_ spake unto _RECIPSANDNEWS_:", "As my eyes traversed _NEWS_, I saw the following:")
empty-header-message : undisclosed-recipients
image-viewer : /usr/dt/bin/sdtimage
use-only-domain-name : no
bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
bugs-address : [email protected]
suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
suggest-address : [email protected]
local-fullname : Local Support
local-address : postmaster
kblock-passwd-count : 1
index-format : IMAPSTATUS MSGNO SMARTDATE FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%)
viewer-overlap : 2
scroll-margin : 0
status-message-delay : 0
mail-check-interval : 30
maildrop-check-minim : 60
nntp-range : 1000
newsrc-path : /export/home/sbirl/.newsrc-free.teranews.com
url-viewers : /usr/dt/bin/netscape

<snip incoming-folders>

mail-directory : mail

<snip folder-collections>

news-collections : Temple NNTP *{news.temple.edu/nntp}[]
: GRC.com NNTP *{news.grc.com/nntp}[]
: TeraNews NNTP *{free.teranews.com/nntp}[]
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<snip patterns>
<snip patterns-roles>
<snip patterns-other>

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index-unseen-foregro : color012
index-unseen-backgro : color014

<snip LDAP>

======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (/export/home/sbirl/.pinerc) =======
personal-name : Birl
user-domain : concept.temple.edu
nntp-server : free.teranews.com
: news.temple.edu
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: no-signature-at-bottom
: expunge-without-confirm
: quit-without-confirm
: delete-skips-deleted
: enable-jump-shortcut
: enable-tab-completion
: expanded-view-of-addressbooks
: news-post-without-validation
: enable-mail-check-cue
: enable-incoming-folders
: save-will-advance
: select-without-confirm
: expanded-view-of-folders
: compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
: show-selected-in-boldface
: use-current-dir
: enable-cruise-mode
: no-enable-dot-files
: enable-dot-folders
: enable-flag-cmd
: enable-flag-screen-implicitly
: enable-full-header-cmd
: enable-msg-view-forced-arrows
: enable-search-and-replace
: enable-partial-match-lists
: expunge-without-confirm-everywhere
: show-cursor
: no-quell-lock-failure-warnings
: quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
: include-header-in-reply
: include-text-in-reply
: include-attachments-in-reply
: combined-subdirectory-display
: quell-empty-directories
: separate-folder-and-directory-entries
: compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
: enable-alternate-editor-cmd
: no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
: use-sender-not-x-sender
: news-deletes-across-groups
: check-newmail-when-quitting
: no-alternate-compose-menu
: print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt
: no-reply-always-uses-reply-to
: mark-for-cc
: no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
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: confirm-role-even-for-default
: enable-mouse-in-xterm
: enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
: expose-hidden-config
: show-plain-text-internally
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: disable-pipes-in-sigs
: disable-pipes-in-templates
: disable-shared-namespaces
: quell-news-envelope-update
: ldap-result-to-addrbook-add
: expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
default-composer-hdr : From: Birl <[email protected]>
: To
: Cc
: Fcc
: Attchmnt
: Subject
customized-hdrs : From: Birl <[email protected]>
: Expires
: Return-Receipt-To
: Reply-To
: Reply-By
: Expiry-Date
: X-Status
: Priority
: X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
: X-Message-Flag
: Importance: Normal
: Sensitivity: Normal
: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
: X-CONCEPT: sbirl at concept dot temple dot edu composed this message.
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pruning-rule : ask-ask
folder-reopen-rule : yes-ask-y
threading-index-styl : coll
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editor : /bin/vi
: /usr/local/bin/pico
reply-indent-string : _FROM_:
reply-leadin : _NEWS_("", "As it was written on _DATE_, thus _FROM_ spake unto _RECIPSANDNEWS_:", "As my eyes traversed _NEWS_, I saw the following:")
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nntp-range : 1000
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url-viewers : /usr/dt/bin/netscape

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: GRC.com NNTP *{news.grc.com/nntp}[]
: TeraNews NNTP *{free.teranews.com/nntp}[]
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personal-print-comma : kinkos [] lpr -h -Pkinkos
personal-print-categ : 3

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index-important-fore : color015
index-important-back : color009
index-deleted-foregr : color011
index-deleted-backgr : black
index-unseen-foregro : color012
index-unseen-backgro : color014

======= PostloadUser_val options set (postload) =======
======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) =======
inbox-path : inbox
default-fcc : sent-mail
default-saved-msg-fo : saved-messages
postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
signature-file : .signature
saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
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threading-index-styl : exp
threading-indicator- : >
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threading-lastreply- : |
composer-wrap-column : 74
reply-indent-string : >
reply-leadin : default
empty-header-message : undisclosed-recipients
use-only-domain-name : no
bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
bugs-address : [email protected]
suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
suggest-address : [email protected]
local-fullname : Local Support
local-address : postmaster
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viewer-overlap : 2
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printer : attached-to-ansi
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save-by-sender : no
color-style : no-color
current-indexline-st : flip-colors
titlebar-color-style : default
normal-foreground-co : black
normal-background-co : cyan
======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
no-alternate-compose-menu
no-compose-cut-from-cursor
compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
no-compose-send-offers-first-filter
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no-spell-check-before-sending
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include-text-in-reply
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fcc-on-bounce
no-fcc-only-without-confirm
no-fcc-without-attachments
no-mark-fcc-seen
no-send-without-confirm
use-sender-not-x-sender
no-warn-if-blank-to-and-cc-and-newsgroups
warn-if-blank-subject
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quell-empty-directories
separate-folder-and-directory-entries
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no-vertical-folder-list
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expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
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return-to-inbox-without-confirm
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no-disable-charset-conversions
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no-enable-fast-recent-test
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enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
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show-selected-in-boldface
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no-unselect-will-not-advance
use-current-dir
no-use-subshell-for-suspend
no-use-function-keys
allow-changing-from
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no-disable-busy-alarm
no-disable-config-cmd
no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
no-disable-password-caching
no-disable-password-cmd
disable-pipes-in-sigs
disable-pipes-in-templates
no-disable-roles-setup-cmd
no-disable-roles-sig-edit
no-disable-roles-template-edit
no-disable-setlocale-collate
disable-shared-namespaces
no-disable-signature-edit-cmd
no-enable-mailcap-param-substitution
no-enable-setlocale-ctype
no-quell-berkeley-format-timezone
no-quell-imap-envelope-update
no-quell-maildomain-warning
quell-news-envelope-update
no-quell-partial-fetching
no-quell-personal-name-prompt
no-quell-user-id-prompt
no-save-aggregates-copy-sequence
no-selectable-item-nobold
no-termdef-takes-precedence
Userid: sbirl
Fullname: "Birl"
User domain name being used "concept.temple.edu"
Local Domain name being used "ocis.temple.edu"
Host name being used "concept.ocis.temple.edu"
Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"concept.temple.edu"
Context mail/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
new win size -----<39 132>------
Terminal type: vt100
Context %s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.MailingLists/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.YAHOO/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.MSN/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.SmartGroups/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context {imap.temple.edu/ssl/novalidate-cert}%s: serv:imap.temple.edu/ssl/novalidate-cert, ref:"", view: ""
Context {news.temple.edu/nntp}#news.%s: serv:news.temple.edu/nntp, ref:"", view: ""
Context {news.grc.com/nntp}#news.%s: serv:news.grc.com/nntp, ref:"", view: ""
Context {free.teranews.com/nntp}#news.%s: serv:free.teranews.com/nntp, ref:"", view: ""
About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX"
=== mm_exists(1928,/var/mail/sbirl) called ===
Opened folder "/var/mail/sbirl" with 1928 messages
process_filter_patterns(stream=inbox, recent=0)
Sorting by Arrival
First_sorted_flagged didn't find a winner, look for undeleted
First_sorted_flagged returning winner = 1928
First_sorted_flagged returning winner = 1928
==== expire_mail called ====

---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----

---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ----
mm_list "mail/postponed-msgs": delim: '/', , no inferiors, unmarked
=== mm_exists(1,/export/home/sbirl/mail/postponed-msgs) called ===
Want_to read: n (110)
Want_to read: ^T (20)
Want_to read: y (121)

=== send called ===
- build_address - (Birl <[email protected]>)
-- init_addrbooks(Closed, 0, 0, 1) --
- init_abook -
- init_abook -
- build_address - (Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>)
- init_abook -
- build_address - (Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>)
- init_abook -

---- COMPOSER ----
new win size -----<39 132>------
new win size -----<39 132>------
- build_address - ()
.. composer returns (0x11)
new win size -----<39 132>------
-- pine_encode_body: 0
pine_send:SUSPEND handling
mm_list "mail/postponed-msgs": delim: '/', , no inferiors, unmarked
-- pine_rfc822_output
-- pine_encode_body: 0
-- pine_rfc822_output_body: 0
-- pine_rfc822_output_body: segment 156 bytes
-- gf_pipe: done.
Writing postponed message
bold
no-termdef-takes-precedence
Userid: sbirl
Fullname: "Birl"
User domain name being used "concept.temple.edu"
Local Domain name being used "ocis.temple.edu"
Host name being used "concept.ocis.temple.edu"
Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"concept.temple.edu"
Context mail/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
new win size -----<39 132>------
Terminal type: vt100
Context %s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.MailingLists/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.YAHOO/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.MSN/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context mail/.SmartGroups/%s: serv:"", ref:"", view: ""
Context {imap.temple.edu/ssl/novalidate-cert}%s: serv:imap.temple.edu/ssl/novalidate-cert, ref:"", view: ""
Context {news.temple.edu/nntp}#news.%s: serv:news.temple.edu/nntp, ref:"", view: ""
Context {news.grc.com/nntp}#news.%s: serv:news.grc.com/nntp, ref:"", view: ""
Context {free.teranews.com/nntp}#news.%s: serv:free.teranews.com/nntp, ref:"", view: ""
About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX"
=== mm_exists(1928,/var/mail/sbirl) called ===
Opened folder "/var/mail/sbirl" with 1928 messages
process_filter_patterns(stream=inbox, recent=0)
Sorting by Arrival
First_sorted_flagged didn't find a winner, look for undeleted
First_sorted_flagged returning winner = 1928
First_sorted_flagged returning winner = 1928
==== expire_mail called ====

---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----

---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ----
mm_list "mail/postponed-msgs": delim: '/', , no inferiors, unmarked
=== mm_exists(1,/export/home/sbirl/mail/postponed-msgs) called ===
Want_to read: n (110)
Want_to read: ^T (20)
Want_to read: y (121)

=== send called ===
- build_address - (Birl <[email protected]>)
-- init_addrbooks(Closed, 0, 0, 1) --
- init_abook -
- init_abook -
- build_address - (Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>)
- init_abook -
- build_address - (Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>)
- init_abook -

---- COMPOSER ----
new win size -----<39 132>------
new win size -----<39 132>------
- build_address - ()
.. composer returns (0x11)
new win size -----<39 132>------
-- pine_encode_body: 0
pine_send:SUSPEND handling
mm_list "mail/postponed-msgs": delim: '/', , no inferiors, unmarked
-- pine_rfc822_output
-- pine_encode_body: 0
-- pine_rfc822_output_body: 0
-- pine_rfc822_output_body: segment 156 bytes
-- gf_pipe: done.
Writing postponed message
done.
=== send returning ===

---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----

---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ----
mm_list "mail/postponed-msgs": delim: '/', , no inferiors, marked
=== mm_exists(2,/export/home/sbirl/mail/postponed-msgs) called ===
Want_to read: n (110)
Want_to read: n (110)
get_signature(/export/home/sbirl/.signature)

=== send called ===
- build_address - (Birl <[email protected]>)
- init_abook -

---- COMPOSER ----
new win size -----<39 132>------
- build_address - ()
- build_address - ()
new win size -----<39 132>------
mt_get_file_ext : filename="/export/home/sbirl/test", end_signals(1)
auger_in_signal(sig=?)
about to end_tty_driver
end_signals(1)
Pine Panic: Received abort signal(sig=?)
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Recently, while using PINE 4.50, I sent out an email with
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decided to forward the message to me so I could see the problem,
while using M$ IE, the attachments appeared. Is PINE causing the
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and is it compatible with all email readers? In the past, this
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Yes, I have seen this with Pine 4.53 on Mac OS X. One user of MS Outlook
(Outlook 2003, I think? on Windows XP) can never see the attachments I
send him, even though they are in his attachments folder when he checks
there.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, SoloCDM wrote:

> Recently, while using PINE 4.50, I sent out an email with
> attachments. The recipient couldn't view the attachments.
> The recipient couldn't find them anywhere. When the recipient
> decided to forward the message to me so I could see the problem,
> while using M$ IE, the attachments appeared. Is PINE causing the
> attachments to be included without meeting all RPC requirements
> and is it compatible with all email readers? In the past, this
> hasn't happened. Has anyone else experienced this type of fluke?
>
>

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Hi David!

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, David Dierauer wrote:

> Yes, I have seen this with Pine 4.53 on Mac OS X. One user of MS Outlook
> (Outlook 2003, I think? on Windows XP) can never see the attachments I
> send him, even though they are in his attachments folder when he checks
> there.

This is why the microsoft programmers have implemented the RFC for
MIME-attachments in Outlook incorrectly. The RFC says [BASE64] could
write with upper case or lower case characters but M$ has only coded the
lower case version. Pine uses the upper case characters.

Hope that helps.

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Here is the help text for the pine option "quell-content-id". Maybe
setting this option would help.

FEATURE: quell-content-id

This feature changes the behavior of Pine when sending messages. It is
intended to work around a bug in Microsoft's Outlook XP mail user agent.
As of this writing, Microsoft has acknowledged the bug but has not added
it to the Knowledge Base. We have been told that there will be a post-SP1
hotfix for Outlook XP. This particular bug has bug fix number
OfficeQFE:4781. The nature of the bug is that messages with attachments
which contain a Content-ID header (which standard Pine attachments do) do
not show the attachment indicator (a paperclip) when viewed with Outlook
XP. So the user has no indication that the message contains an
attachment.

If this feature is set then Pine will remove most Content-ID headers
before sending a message. If an attachment is of type MESSAGE, then the
existing Content-ID headers inside the message will be left intact. This
would only happen with Pine if a message was forwarded as an attachment
or if a message with a message attached was forwarded. Similarly if an
attachment of type MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE is forwarded, the Content-ID
headers of the alternative parts will not be removed.

Because the Content-ID header is a standard part of MIME it is possible
that setting this feature will break something. For example, if an
attachment has a Content-ID header which is necessary for the correct
functioning of that attachment, it is possible that Pine may remove that
header when the attachment is forwarded. However, it seems fairly safe at
this time.

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Thanks! That worked for me and the recipient of my emails who had
previously been unable to see the attachments.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Here is the help text for the pine option "quell-content-id". Maybe
> setting this option would help.
>
> FEATURE: quell-content-id
>
> This feature changes the behavior of Pine when sending messages. It is
> intended to work around a bug in Microsoft's Outlook XP mail user agent.
> As of this writing, Microsoft has acknowledged the bug but has not added
> it to the Knowledge Base. We have been told that there will be a post-SP1
> hotfix for Outlook XP. This particular bug has bug fix number
> OfficeQFE:4781. The nature of the bug is that messages with attachments
> which contain a Content-ID header (which standard Pine attachments do) do
> not show the attachment indicator (a paperclip) when viewed with Outlook
> XP. So the user has no indication that the message contains an
> attachment.
>
> If this feature is set then Pine will remove most Content-ID headers
> before sending a message. If an attachment is of type MESSAGE, then the
> existing Content-ID headers inside the message will be left intact. This
> would only happen with Pine if a message was forwarded as an attachment
> or if a message with a message attached was forwarded. Similarly if an
> attachment of type MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE is forwarded, the Content-ID
> headers of the alternative parts will not be removed.
>
> Because the Content-ID header is a standard part of MIME it is possible
> that setting this feature will break something. For example, if an
> attachment has a Content-ID header which is necessary for the correct
> functioning of that attachment, it is possible that Pine may remove that
> header when the attachment is forwarded. However, it seems fairly safe at
> this time.
>
>
>

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:24:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
> From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected], Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Invisible Attachments
>
> Here is the help text for the pine option "quell-content-id". Maybe
> setting this option would help.
>
> FEATURE: quell-content-id
>
> This feature changes the behavior of Pine when sending messages. It
> is intended to work around a bug in Microsoft's Outlook XP mail user
> agent. As of this writing, Microsoft has acknowledged the bug but has
> not added it to the Knowledge Base. We have been told that there will
> be a post-SP1 hotfix for Outlook XP. This particular bug has bug fix
> number OfficeQFE:4781. The nature of the bug is that messages with
> attachments which contain a Content-ID header (which standard Pine
> attachments do) do not show the attachment indicator (a paperclip)
> when viewed with Outlook XP. So the user has no indication that the
> message contains an attachment.
>
> If this feature is set then Pine will remove most Content-ID headers
> before sending a message. If an attachment is of type MESSAGE,
> then the existing Content-ID headers inside the message will be
> left intact. This would only happen with Pine if a message was
> forwarded as an attachment or if a message with a message attached was
> forwarded. Similarly if an attachment of type MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE is
> forwarded, the Content-ID headers of the alternative parts will not be
> removed.
>
> Because the Content-ID header is a standard part of MIME it is
> possible that setting this feature will break something. For example,
> if an attachment has a Content-ID header which is necessary for the
> correct functioning of that attachment, it is possible that Pine may
> remove that header when the attachment is forwarded. However, it seems
> fairly safe at this time.

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I have my Pine 4.55 setup with:
url-viewers = /usr/dt/bin/netscape

But it never runs in the background. I cannot append the & to the end.
Anyway to get url-viewers to run the background?

Thanks.
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Howdy good people.
Well this is a poser but I reckon I'm in the right place. I'm switching
isp's. Not happy with earthlink anymore. too much for too little, however
be that as it may, when I try and log onto the pop3 server using my local
addition of pine it says
security problem insecure server advertised
pop3 authentication cancelled
So
I give tech support at ev1.net a clang and they said that most email
clients have a security setting that needs to be unchecked to use their
system. So
I went and looked in the pine config but could not find anything like that
to
do with security, and boys and girls they's a lot you can configure.
Anybody got any clues on this one?? If you need any further illucidation
let me know. I wanna use this isp like really bad. Save me 11 bucks a
month.
On the advice of a friend I tried putting /notls after the pop 3 server
address, and got a totally new error message saying auth plain. near as I
could make out I'm a blind fella using a braille display. also
checked out the pine tech notes and found
disable-these-authenticators, but couldn't find that listing in the
config of my version of pine 4.33. I should perhaps tell you I'm
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helpful hints or insulting
remarks to mailto:[email protected] thanks for any help. at
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Hey All,

I just upgraded my Mac to OSX and am using Terminal to get to my server's
shell and to Pine. All of my command keys work in Pine except ^O,
Postpone. I've gone through every configuration option in Terminal I can
find and can't seem to figure out why ^O will not work. Can anyone solve
this frustrating problem for me??

Thanks so much,

---Andy

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
Andrew Smallman, Director
Puget Sound Community School
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I use pine 4.53 (installed by fink) on OS X, 10.2.6, and do not see this
problem. I have always been able to postpone messages using ^O in the
Terminal. (You are using the letter 'o', not the number zero, right?)

Feel free to email me privately for details on my Terminal configuration.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Andy Smallman wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I just upgraded my Mac to OSX and am using Terminal to get to my server's
> shell and to Pine. All of my command keys work in Pine except ^O,
> Postpone. I've gone through every configuration option in Terminal I can
> find and can't seem to figure out why ^O will not work. Can anyone solve
> this frustrating problem for me??
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> ---Andy
>
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> Andrew Smallman, Director
> Puget Sound Community School
> [email protected] || http://www.pscs.org
> (206) 324-4350
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>
>

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Birl wrote:

> I have my Pine 4.55 setup with:
> url-viewers = /usr/dt/bin/netscape
>
> But it never runs in the background. I cannot append the & to the end.
> Anyway to get url-viewers to run the background?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
> Birl

We've kicked this solution around on -discussion. My .pinerc
reads:

url-viewers=/fs/scd/home0/era/bin/ns7

The "ns7" script invokes netscape7 into the background. The baroque
"if" tests are left over from netscape4 and probably don't work
correctly for netscape7, er, mozilla.

#!/bin/sh
# short script to invoke netscape7 from within pine as a background
# process, so pine can continue. Only arg is the URL.
# Author: Ed Arnold <[email protected]> , but modified by Mike Miller & John
# Soper
NETSCAPE=/fs/local/bin/netscape7
URL=`echo $1 | sed 's/,/%2C/g'`

#
# handle viewing HTML attachment or message files
#
ATTACH=`echo $URL | grep /tmp/img-HTM | wc -l`
if [ $ATTACH = 1 ]; then
cp $URL ${URL}.html
URL=${URL}.html
fi

trap "" 1 2 3 13 15 18 # nohup blows
LOCK=`/bin/find $HOME/.mozilla -name lock -print`
if [ -h "$LOCK" ]; then
cmd="$NETSCAPE -noraise -remote openURL($URL)"
$cmd &
else
cmd="$NETSCAPE $URL"
$cmd &
fi

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Andy Smallman wrote:

> I just upgraded my Mac to OSX and am using Terminal to get to my server's
> shell and to Pine. All of my command keys work in Pine except ^O,
> Postpone. I've gone through every configuration option in Terminal I can
> find and can't seem to figure out why ^O will not work. Can anyone solve
> this frustrating problem for me??

I have experienced similar problems with ^U in editor mode.
Use <ESC> + <ESC> + <O>. This should work.

Claus