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Hi -

I'm having trouble viewing html attachments in pine.

I've configured pine to search for the mailcap and mime.types
file in my home directory.

The mime.types file has the following lines:
text/html html htm
text/plain txt c cc h

I've browsed through this list's archives for info
and have tried adding either:

text/html; shownonascii iso8859-1 %s; copiousoutpu
...
...

or

text/HTML; lynx -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput

to my mailcap file.

When I send myself an html attachment, the status bar tells me
that it's "sending the attachemnt as TEXT/html"

But when I receive the file, it tells me:
[ Part 2, "" Text/PLAIN (Name: "test.html") 121 lines. ]
[ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ]

What am I missing? Do I need to put something else in either the
mime.types or mailcap file? Why did it send it as text/plain anyway?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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When I go to fire up my alternate editor, I get this prompt:

Which alternate editor ? C:\Progra~1\Vim\gvim.exe
^G Get Help
^C Cancel

Since I sometimes use the mouse, it would be nice if the prompt looked
like this:

Which alternate editor ? C:\Progra~1\Vim\gvim.exe
^G Get Help RET Accept
^C Cancel

That way I could just click on RET rather than having to take my hand
off the mouse and press the Enter key.

Thanks,

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Greetings,

I've run into a couple of interesting problems using Pine
with our GroupWise IMAP server.

With Pine 3.95 I can open my mailbox after I give my name
and passward and read my mail with no problem. When I
eXpunge my inbox Pine will usaully (but not always) give me
a core dump. When I check the inbox with GroupWise, the
deleted files are gone so it's not all bad. A quick look on
the web and I decided to solve the problem with an upgrade.

Pine 4.10 won't open my GroupWise mailbox at all. Bummer.

With 3.95's mtest I get.

MTest -- C client test program
Debug protocol (y/n)?y
Mailbox ('?' for help): {ccgwgate.co.clark.nv.us:143}INBOX
* OK GroupWise IMAP4rev1 Server Ready
[GroupWise IMAP4rev1 Server Ready]
{ccgwgate.co.clark.nv.us} username: jps
password: pass
A00000 LOGIN jps pass
A00000 OK LOGIN completed
A00001 SELECT INBOX
* 9 EXISTS
* OK [UNSEEN 5]
[[UNSEEN 5]]
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 7811]
[[UIDVALIDITY 7811]]
* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft
\Seen)]
[[PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft
\Seen)]]
A00001 OK SELECT completed
Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:10:57 -0800 (PST)
imap2 mailbox: {ccgwgate.co.clark.nv.us}INBOX, 9 messages,
0 recent
MTest>quit
A00002 LOGOUT
* BYE IMAP4rev1 Server Disconnect
A00002 OK LOGOUT completed

With 4.10's mtest I get.

MTest -- C client test program
Debug protocol (y/n)?y
Mailbox ('?' for help): {ccgwgate.co.clark.nv.us:143}INBOX
[Trying IP address [172.20.100.85]]
* OK GroupWise IMAP4rev1 Server Ready
[GroupWise IMAP4rev1 Server Ready]
00000000 CAPABILITY
* CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 AUTH-LOGIN
00000000 OK CAPABILITY completed
00000001 AUTHENTICATE LOGIN
00000001 OK AUTHENTICATE completed
?Can not authenticate to IMAP server: AUTHENTICATE completed
00000002 LOGOUT
* BYE IMAP4rev1 Server Disconnect
00000002 OK LOGOUT completed

Any ideas?

------------- My opinions are mine alone, and that fact -------------
------------- provides intense relief for my coworkers. -------------
Joe Scanlan Clark County CEIT
Systems Programmer fax 702 455-4932
[email protected] (not work) PO Box 551761
[email protected] (work) Las Vegas, NV 89155-1761
http://www.co.clark.nv.us USA

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I'm using 3.95. Below is from the web faq. Does "middle of next century"
mean something like June 15, 2000? Does this mean something like Feb 1,
2000 is NOT in the middle of the next century? Or is this the 2038 thing?

Thanks, Dennis

-----------------

Internally, Pine has never stored years as two digit values. The
"last-time-pruned" variable might appear to be
problematic, as this century's dates are represented as two characters,
but this value is relative to the year 1900, so
the year 2000 will be represented as "100" and so on. However, Pine
version 3.96 and earlier do have a bug in their
date-sort routines for the message index such that messages with a date in
the middle of the next century will
incorrectly sort before current messages. This bug is corrected in the
Pine 4.00 code base.

Dennis J. Gurgul
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617.724.3169

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I'm attempting to mix text and an attachment in an email.

What I'm doing is:

(cat pathoftext ; cat pathoffile | uuencode attachmentname) | mailx -s
test emailaddress

When MSexchange/Outlook receives this, I get an email with pathoftext in
the
email body and pathoffile as an attachment named attachmentname. (no
problem).

However, when that same email is read by pine, It doesn't display it as
text with
an option to view the attachment, just the plain text then the uuencoded
text of
the file.

I realize I'm still going to have to uudecode it, but I don't want the
email
body text to be saved along with the uuencoded text. As well If uuencode
more
than one file, MSexchange will show it as multiple attachements, with
pine it
still shows as one email (no attachments). It just makes it more
difficult to
save and decode.

Thanks
George Gallen
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Hi -

This is a followup to my question regarding mailcap and mime.types
yesterday.

I've been poking around a bit more. It seems that it doesn't matter
what you define in the mime.types file, what suffix your file has, or what
pine says it's sending your attachment as. Pine will look through your
attachment and determine its type and change it if necessary.

For example, I named a file as blah.gif. It only has the line "hihi"
in it. I define in my mime.types file
image/gif gif

When I send the file as an attachment, pine tells me that it's sending it
as image/gif. However, when I receive it and I look at the content type,
it sent it as text/plain. It's obviously looking through the file and
overriding what I told it the file should be.

My question is, is this a bug or a feature?

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We have not been able to figure out how to make the global address book =
work in Pine. It always shows as being read only or un-readable. Any =
ideas?

Roger Sabin
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Well, a global addressbook is always read-only.

Are you trying to set a shared personal addressbook, where people can make
changes to it? What version of Pine are you using? And what operating
system?

Give us more info and maybe we can help.

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On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Roger Sabin wrote:

>We have not been able to figure out how to make the global address book
work in Pine. It always shows as being read only or un-readable. Any ideas?
>
>Roger Sabin
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I understand that you can have a global addressbook for pine users,
and that in addition, users can have their own personal addressbook.

How do you set up the global pine addressbook, and in what format is
it?
can we copy our existing ELM systemwide addressbook to pine's?
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With the latest version of Pine, I'm having trouble getting the 'cannot write
to addbook.lu... using temporary file...' message to go away, with respect to
global address books. I've rebuilt the indexes as root with no effect. The
old version (3.96) didn't have this problem. Any suggestions?

Richard Eisenman
Supervisor, Computing and Telecommunications
W.S.U. Tri-Cities
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Did you rebuild it as root using the new version of pine?

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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Richard Eisenman wrote:

> With the latest version of Pine, I'm having trouble getting the 'cannot write
> to addbook.lu... using temporary file...' message to go away, with respect to
> global address books. I've rebuilt the indexes as root with no effect. The
> old version (3.96) didn't have this problem. Any suggestions?
>
> Richard Eisenman
> Supervisor, Computing and Telecommunications
> W.S.U. Tri-Cities
> http://www.tricity.wsu.edu/~richarde
>
>

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No, we are not trying to setup a shared personal addressbook. We want to =
setup a shared global addressbook that contains the e-mail addresses of =
everyone in the company. We have not found a way yet to put addresses =
into the global addressbook. How do you setup a shared global =
addressbook? We are using Pine 4.05 on an AIX system.

Roger Sabin
[email protected]

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From: Shawn Jeffries [SMTP:[email protected]]
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Well, a global addressbook is always read-only.

Are you trying to set a shared personal addressbook, where people can =
make
changes to it? What version of Pine are you using? And what operating
system?

Give us more info and maybe we can help.

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[email protected]

On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Roger Sabin wrote:

>We have not been able to figure out how to make the global address book
work in Pine. It always shows as being read only or un-readable. Any =
ideas?
>
>Roger Sabin
>[email protected]

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There is no difference between global and normal addressbooks other than
the fact that Pine considers global addressbooks read-only and personal
addressbooks as writeable (normal file permissions allowing). Look here
(http://www.washington.edu/pine/tech-notes/low-level.html#addrbook) for
more information.

The best way I've found to do it is to run Pine as root and set up a
normal addressbook under a location readable by everyone. Add your
addresses to it. Make sure the permissions on that file are set to read
only (so noone can change them without being root). Then specify this file
for your users as their global addressbook.

One problem, which may or may not affect you, is that 4.05 and 4.04 did
have a bug when setting up a global addressbook. Get 4.10 just in case.

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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Roger Sabin wrote:

>No, we are not trying to setup a shared personal addressbook. We want to
setup a shared global addressbook that contains the e-mail addresses of
everyone in the company. We have not found a way yet to put addresses
into the global addressbook. How do you setup a shared global
addressbook? We are using Pine 4.05 on an AIX system.
>
>Roger Sabin
>[email protected]

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is there any reason that the # (compose with role) command is not enabled
in the index window?

also, if you configure a role that gets settings from another role it
doesn't seem to work right for the # command (doesn't set the from line
for example). i haven't tested all other uses of the role, so it may be
more widespread than that.

another role concept that might be nice is to set the default domain to
tack onto addresses in the to/cc/bcc fields. when i'm sending mail from
[email protected], i'd like to be able to just type bar and get [email protected].

but so far, people are loving the role additions.

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> another role concept that might be nice is to set the default domain to
> tack onto addresses in the to/cc/bcc fields. when i'm sending mail from
> [email protected], i'd like to be able to just type bar and get [email protected].

Check out the user-domain field in the config stuff. It's third from the
top I think.

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preface -- my new ISP has no (functional) newsfeed at this point, so I find
myself in the ironic position of asking a more user-end question on
this list.

I'm confused regarding roles.

I have this role setup for Usenet (which I assume will work someday, but am
not holding my breath), should be used for all usenet postings:

Nickname = post

To pattern = <No Value Set>

>From pattern = <No Value Set>

Sender pattern = <No Value Set>

Cc pattern = <No Value Set>

News pattern = .

Subject pattern = <No Value Set>

Initialize settings using role : <No Value Set: using "Default Role">

Set From = Timothy J Luoma <[email protected]>

Set Fcc = usenet-posts

Set Signature = ~/sigs/usenet

Set Template = <No Value Set>

OK, now I go to compose and enter "comp.mail.pine" in the Newsgroups line
and expect the rest of that information to be used, since I have a role
defined for any news with a group "."

This doesn't happen.

Same with this for email (not news)

Nickname = ap

To pattern = [email protected]

>From pattern = <No Value Set>

Sender pattern = <No Value Set>

Cc pattern = <No Value Set>

News pattern = <No Value Set>

Subject pattern = <No Value Set>

Initialize settings using role : <No Value Set: using "Default Role">

Set From = [email protected]

Set Fcc = <No Value Set: using "value from fcc-name-rule">

Set Signature = <No Value Set: using "default (.signature)">

Set Template = <No Value Set>

I send an email to compose and enter "[email protected]" and expect that the
Role will be set to "[email protected]"

Why isn't this so?

I even tried starting pine with

pine [email protected]

and that didn't seem to work.

TjL

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I searched the archives for the answer to this, but couldn't find a
definitive answer. I want to modify pine to work on a system that has the
incoming mail spooled in $HOME/.mail. I have been toying with the src and
config files, but haven't gotten the results I need. Suggestions? Thanks
for the time.

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We run Pine at our college and it gets its fair share of complaints and
then some. People want GUI and that is that. I have been searching for
some alternatives to satisfy these requests. POP3 is up and working and it
satisfies some people, but others want to be able to share calenders, and
some complain about the password not protecting their folders with POP3.

Is there a GUI program that will authenticate at the login that would
replace Pine? Or am I going to have to go to a MSExchange world to meet
these demands?

Any help/info is appreciated

________________________________
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Mulberry
Netscape 4.5
among others

On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Tony Rose wrote:

:>
:>We run Pine at our college and it gets its fair share of complaints and
:>then some. People want GUI and that is that. I have been searching for
:>some alternatives to satisfy these requests. POP3 is up and working and it
:>satisfies some people, but others want to be able to share calenders, and
:>some complain about the password not protecting their folders with POP3.
:>
:>Is there a GUI program that will authenticate at the login that would
:>replace Pine? Or am I going to have to go to a MSExchange world to meet
:>these demands?
:>
:>Any help/info is appreciated
:>
:>________________________________
:>Tony Rose
:>Elon College Email Administrator
:>
:>E: [email protected]
:>V: (336)538-6815
:>F: (336)584-2447
:>
:>Campus Box 2400
:>Elon College, NC 27244
:>________________________________
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Tony,
You need to refine your question a bit more.

If you are talking about native desktop mailers, there are lots of choices
for *mail* functionality, including NS Messenger, MS Outlook Express,
Cyrusoft Mulberry, and even PC-Pine (which may look a bit homely, but has
most all the GUI amenities).

If you are talking about a mailer for use on timesharing systems, there
are a few X-based mailers you could consider.

I would strongly recommend you stick with an IMAP solution rather than
focusing on POP, however. (All of the mailers mentioned above support
both.) See www.imap.org for a list of products.

Calendaring is a problem. Lots of people like MS Outlook calendaring and
because Exchange appears to be a monolithic "take it all or leave it"
design, you are then forced to use Exchange for not only calendaring but
email. (At least that's what we've been told by multiple MS folks.)
However, we have recently discovered that Outlook can export a free-busy
list that can form the basis of a server-less calendaring system. (All
the f-b lists are "published" say via http and are accessible to each
client.) The latest Lotus Organizer also supports the same model. This
model allows you to use whatever IMAP/POP server you prefer, and avoids
having to maintain a calendaring server (a class of beast which some have
found problematic.)

-teg

On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Tony Rose wrote:

> We run Pine at our college and it gets its fair share of complaints and
> then some. People want GUI and that is that. I have been searching for
> some alternatives to satisfy these requests. POP3 is up and working and it
> satisfies some people, but others want to be able to share calenders, and
> some complain about the password not protecting their folders with POP3.
>
> Is there a GUI program that will authenticate at the login that would
> replace Pine? Or am I going to have to go to a MSExchange world to meet
> these demands?

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If I go to my list of incoming folders and add an incoming folder
using the A command, it works fine if I give the incoming folder a
nickname. But if I don't give the folder a nickname, it says the
folder has been created but it doesn't show up in the list. After I
quit and restart Pine, it then shows up in the list. It seems like the
behaviour should be the same whether you use a nickname or not.

Also, in each case above I was prompted for my login and password
twice. It seems like once should be enough.

Thanks,
Nancy

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When the following option is not enabled (this is the default), on cannot
select a folder using ctrl-T

separate-folder-and-directory-entries

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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Tony Rose wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:14:56 -0500 (EST)
> From: Tony Rose <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Pine Alternatives ???
>
> [...]
>
> Is there a GUI program that will authenticate at the login that would
> replace Pine? Or am I going to have to go to a MSExchange world to meet
> these demands?
>
> Any help/info is appreciated

Platform specification would be nice, but... *shrug*

Personally, I like Mutt and tend to use it at work... changeable key
bindings, color xterm support, message threading, filder hooks... quite
a bit of "what's best in other mailers." Though it seems to miss good
multiple incoming folder support and roles (though I still feel some-
what "new" to it). http://www.mutt.org/

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This seems to be the code I would remove from send.c to make PINE stop asking me

"Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really post?"

/* --- If posting, confirm with user ----*/
if(outgoing->newsgroups && *outgoing->newsgroups
&& want_to(POST_PMT, 'n', 'n', NO_HELP, WT_NORM) == 'n'){
q_status_message(SM_ORDER, 0, 3, "Message not posted");
dprint(4, (debugfile, "no post, continuing\n"));
continue;
}

Is there any "gotcha" to removing this code?

TjL

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Hi *,

I would like to be able to use my mouse with pine 4.10.

Environment: Solaris + CDE
Problem: the mouse is always used as in "select text" mode.

How can I do that?

X

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I'm runing pine 4.05 under solaris and hpux. Pine's global conf file
is set to log in to a local imap server by default, so that when you
start pine, it prompts for username and password.

Up until recently, this worked just fine, but now pine seems to hang
for a little less than a minute before presenting the log in prompt.
After that all works fine, but it's very annoying to wait 1 minute to
read email...

(other imap clients ie dtmail under solaris dont have this problem --
they connect right away... And pine exhibits this problem under both
platforms, solaris and hpux...)

So, I started up pine with verbose debugging (pine -d 9)

and then watch the .pine-debug1 file with tail -f.

Eventually after pine reads all the config files, I get to a point where
it does the following

About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX"
busy_alarm(1, Opening "INBOX", 0, 1)
q_status_message(Opening "INBOX" )
output_message(Opening "INBOX" )
STATUS cmd:120, max:1, min0
SIGCHLD raised
alarm_signal()
alarm_signal()
alarm_signal()
alarm_signal()
alarm_signal()
...

During the 'pause' in pine, one of these alarm_signal() lines per
second, approximately, appears...

Eventually

..
alarm_signal()
IMAP 14:42:19 3/8 mm_log babble: Trying IP address [MY-IP_DELETED]
IMAP DEBUG 14:42:20 3/8: * OK MAILSERVER.hostname.deleted IMAP4rev1
Service 9.0(159) at Mon,
8 Mar 1999 14:26:28 -0700 (MST) (Report problems in this server to
[email protected]
ington.EDU)

(note that I changed the IP and hostname of the mail server so
spambots wont pick em out of this message)

Any ideas what gives? I'm about to download the code and start
editing the configuration files that end in .c ... if you know what I
mean...

I just heard a report from another user that ocasionally any remote
folder write is very slow for him -- kind of bursty -- dont know if
this problem is realted.

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i have two problems, but they can both be solved with either of one
action:

why can't i set up heirarchical directories of message folders in my
incoming collection?

and why can't tab simply search ALL folders in all directories and in all
collections for new mail?

it seems stupid to allow tab'ing through folders if it can only be done on
folders within the incoming collection. AND, it seems stupid to allow
hierachical directories anywhere EXCEPT in the incoming collection.

it would make sense for both problems to be fixed, but even if only one is
fixed, i'd be happy.

OR: is there a workaround?

any help would be appreciated,
thanks,
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Over here, this was due to the network taking a VERY long time to figure out
that RSH was not permitted. Pine first tries to RSH to the mail machine and
run rimapd to bypass sending your name and password over the network in the
clear. When this fails, it falls back to normal IMAP. I guess one possible
reason for this is a firewall that drops RSH packets.

I had to tell it not to use RSH. In file c-client/tcp_unix.c, change line 41
to:
static long rshtimeout = 0; /* rsh timeout */

Note: If "rshtimeout" is not on line 41, use the line that it is on, and
change its value to 0.

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Fred Clift wrote:

> I'm runing pine 4.05 under solaris and hpux. Pine's global conf file
> is set to log in to a local imap server by default, so that when you
> start pine, it prompts for username and password.
>
> Up until recently, this worked just fine, but now pine seems to hang
> for a little less than a minute before presenting the log in prompt.
> After that all works fine, but it's very annoying to wait 1 minute to
> read email...
>
> (other imap clients ie dtmail under solaris dont have this problem --
> they connect right away... And pine exhibits this problem under both
> platforms, solaris and hpux...)

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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Daniel Sands wrote:

> Over here, this was due to the network taking a VERY long time to figure out
> that RSH was not permitted.
>
> I had to tell it not to use RSH. In file c-client/tcp_unix.c, change line 41
> to:
> static long rshtimeout = 0; /* rsh timeout */
>
> Note: If "rshtimeout" is not on line 41, use the line that it is on, and
> change its value to 0.

Or fix 'rsh-open-timeout=0' .pinerc in home directory.
It should disable rsh.

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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Juhani Sivusalo wrote:

>
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Daniel Sands wrote:
>
> > Over here, this was due to the network taking a VERY long time to figure out
> > that RSH was not permitted.
> >
> > I had to tell it not to use RSH. In file c-client/tcp_unix.c, change line 41
> > to:
> > static long rshtimeout = 0; /* rsh timeout */
> >
> > Note: If "rshtimeout" is not on line 41, use the line that it is on, and
> > change its value to 0.
>
> Or fix 'rsh-open-timeout=0' .pinerc in home directory.
> It should disable rsh.

That would work for one user. Would be better to store that in the pine.conf
file.

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>Over here, this was due to the network taking a VERY long time
to figure out
>that RSH was not permitted. Pine first tries to RSH to the mail

This was exactly the problem. Inetd config change to not allow
rsh.

Thanks for the help.

Incidentally, there is a config option that specifies how long
imap should wait before using normal imap logins and setting it
to zero fixed my problem.

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Hi

I've set up pine to use 2 news servers, I can open the groups
at both servers and read from both, but only post to one.
I reckon that when I try to post a message in a group on
server B, PINE 'thinks' I'm trying to post it via server A and
I get an 'Unknown news group'. Following is from my .pinerc

nntp-server=news.tele.dk,
news.sslug.dk

news-collections=News {news.tele.dk/nntp}#news.[tele.*],
SSLUG {news.sslug.dk/nntp}#news.[sslug.*]

What else do I need to be able to post as I please without
having to change nntp-server in the PINE config?

Thanks in advance

Morten

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We have just upgraded one of our unix office servers to Pine 4.10. So far
everything seems to work fine but one thing. When 2 sessions of Pine are
open by the same id, the second session is put into 'read only'. The tech
notes under folder locking leads us to believe that the second session
will put the first session in read only. Pine 3.96 works this way which it
should be.
Are we doing something wrong or is this a bug? Because if this is the case
then there will be problems if the first session of Pine was aborted
somehow and then the person logged on again. They will not be able to do
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We are running Solaris 2.6 on a Sun machine. We did a Build with DEBUG=''
and so5 parameters.
When you reply, would you please also include the 'cc'?

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We've noticed the same problem with 4.10 under DU. We'd also like to
know how to work around this.

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Pine Versions wrote:

>
>
> We have just upgraded one of our unix office servers to Pine 4.10. So far
> everything seems to work fine but one thing. When 2 sessions of Pine are
> open by the same id, the second session is put into 'read only'. The tech
> notes under folder locking leads us to believe that the second session
> will put the first session in read only. Pine 3.96 works this way which it
> should be.
> Are we doing something wrong or is this a bug? Because if this is the case
> then there will be problems if the first session of Pine was aborted
> somehow and then the person logged on again. They will not be able to do
> anything until the first session times out.
> We are running Solaris 2.6 on a Sun machine. We did a Build with DEBUG=''
> and so5 parameters.
> When you reply, would you please also include the 'cc'?
>
> Thanks
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jessie Kleefstra E-Mail:[email protected]
> Sr.Consultant, Helpdesk Services [email protected]
> Computing & Information Services Phone: (905) 525-9140 ext. 24357
> McMaster University, ABB-132 Fax: (905) 528-3773
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>

Richard Eisenman
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This was asked (and answered) a week or two back in this same forum.

Apparently it is a (now!) known bug in the Pine 4.10 kit. It will be fixed
in the next release.

If you are willing to build the programs from scratch then you can fix your
Pine and IMAP daemon as follows:

1. Grab the latest IMAP kit (which is separate from the Pine kit).

2. Build this: it will give you a fixed C-client library and a fixed IMAP
daemon.

3. Rebuild your Pine, linking it against the above C-client library rather
than the one from the Pine kit.

Test/install the rebuilt IMAP daemon and Pine executables.

Cheers,

Mike B-)
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--On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 12:43 pm -0800 "Richard L. Eisenman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> We've noticed the same problem with 4.10 under DU. We'd also like to
> know how to work around this.
>
> On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Pine Versions wrote:
>
>> We have just upgraded one of our unix office servers to Pine 4.10. So
>> far everything seems to work fine but one thing. When 2 sessions of
>> Pine are open by the same id, the second session is put into 'read
>> only'. The tech notes under folder locking leads us to believe that the
>> second session will put the first session in read only. Pine 3.96 works
>> this way which it should be.
>> Are we doing something wrong or is this a bug? Because if this is the
>> case then there will be problems if the first session of Pine was
>> aborted somehow and then the person logged on again. They will not be
>> able to do anything until the first session times out.
>> We are running Solaris 2.6 on a Sun machine. We did a Build with
>> DEBUG='' and so5 parameters.
>> When you reply, would you please also include the 'cc'?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------ Jessie Kleefstra
>> E-Mail:[email protected] Sr.Consultant, Helpdesk Services
>> [email protected] Computing & Information Services Phone: (905)
>> 525-9140 ext. 24357 McMaster University, ABB-132 Fax: (905)
>> 528-3773
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -------
>
> Richard Eisenman
> Supervisor, Computing and Telecommunications
> W.S.U. Tri-Cities, CIC 225E
> Office (509) 372-7381
> Fax (509) 372-7281
> [email protected]
> http://www2.tricity.wsu.edu/richardeisenman
> http:///www2.tricity.wsu.edu/ctc

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I was looking all over the source for a section that refers to
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as on a busy pop3 server this causes a bunch of un-necessary log entries.
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Attention: Pine Discussion Forum

For the past three (3) days I have received e-mails
up to 10 some of which are addressed to Pine Discussion
Forum and some reply to individuals.

Please I need a clarification on this. Or is this supposed
to be the Pine Frequently Asked Questions list, which I
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Anticipating to hear from you.

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Pine and Pico can be set to use the mouse to move the cursor and perform
other operations in an xterm window. Is it possible to get similar
behavior in other window environments? Especially dtterm?

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On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Mike Miller wrote:

> Pine and Pico can be set to use the mouse to move the cursor and perform
> other operations in an xterm window. Is it possible to get similar
> behavior in other window environments? Especially dtterm?

Our telnet program for Windows, Anzio Lite (and AnzioWin), mimics xterm's
mouse protocol, and works very well with Pine/Pico. Just set a DISPLAY
environment variable, to trick Pine into thinking you are running in X.

Samples are available at the web site below.

Regards,
...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.

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Is there a way to use pine at the command level to include binary
attachments??
I have read most of the documentation and cannot find much support on this
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Have you looked at mpack? This is much better-suited for your purpose than
Pine is.

On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Scott Wenzel wrote:

>
> Is there a way to use pine at the command level to include binary
> attachments??
> I have read most of the documentation and cannot find much support on this
> subject. Interested in creating a shell script to send attachments to users.

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On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Daniel Sands wrote:
> Have you looked at mpack? This is much better-suited for your purpose than
> Pine is.

Where does one find mpack?

Thanks,
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> Where does one find mpack?

One place....

ftp.andrew.cmu.edu /pub/mpack

Ed

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Anyone here can explain the difference between versions of pine?
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This may not at all be a problem with Pine, but possibly with
other systems involved. I have a friend who is using ArgoMail (web based
system, with I don't really know what kind of real support behind it), but
her messages come as a single line (they are sent that way), with the last
line (or two) of the wraped version missing... Here is what the messages
look like, more or less...

From: Mrs Shoubridge <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: hi
X-Mailer: Argomail 1.01.27 by Roger Spooner
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Date: Tue Mar 9 20:50:45 1999
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--PART-BOUNDARY-921012645-riws
Content-Description: text
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

dear jessica how cute are you what do men say when you walk past them.have you been busy what clothes are you wareing.you will allways be my friend tell me about your body love steph
--PART-BOUNDARY-921012645-riws--

Is there anything about it that is ``odd''. Listserv will tack on
it's bottom banner after the ``--PART-BOUNDARY-921012645-riws--'' portion
wihch is the end of the message by the MIME standard as I understand it.
Why does Listserv not understand these messages as they are intended, and
why does Pine 4.05 not understand them either? Pine ``loses'' the bottom
banner that Listserv adds. It seems that 3.96 did not have any of these
problems, but I could be mistaken...

Jessica

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I have finish the build of pine3.96 on NT. I am trying to use it to send
a mail or access a pop3-server
to read a mail.
I configured the pine,
personalname : myname
user-id: my mail id(the part in my mail-address before '@')
user-domain: my mail server host name.
smtp server :my server host name
inbox path: {my mail server}INBOX,
---Then when I try to "Compose Message", it said "can't send message
without an open remote fold".
my mail-server offer pop3 and smtp service.

so how can I just use pine as a netscape messanger? If pine can't work
as a client to smtp-server
and pop3-server, Is the c-client lib suitable to write a messanger-like
program?Any document about
the module structure of the source code?

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We're interested in using PC-Pine 4.10 but I need a way to have global IMAP
addressbooks. All of the documentation I've found says that global
addressbooks are, by default, read-only. Fine, however, if you try to set
up an IMAP global addressbook on a PC that points to an existing IMAP
addressbook on a UNIX box (read only permissions on the file), PC-Pine
grips about not having write access. I'm assuming this is because of the
multiple versions supported by IMAP addressbooks. However, I just want to
have an addressbook out there that's readable by anyone but not writable.
Is this possible?

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Hi,
Why sometime pine hung on forever .... [ write to FCC ] when send
a message ?

About one thousand users use our sun-cluster, most users are okay,
only one group of user who use another Sun system as their home directory
NFS server had that trouble. Basically, they just can't use pine, but
sun mail-tool is still working for them.

Any suggestion and help are very much appreciated.
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Greetings. We are in the process of enhancing our Windows telnet
(terminal emulation) product to support Arabic and Hebrew. If you are
interested in corresponding and testing this in conjunction with Pine, please
keep reading.

Our Product is Anzio. In its current version it can handle a wide variety of
character sets (ISO sets, Far East, various codepages). We are now tackling
bidirectional languages (Arabic and Hebrew) as well as Arabic's contextual
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Windows to reorder and reshape the text strings as they go to the screen. This
is only possible on Arabic or Hebrew versions of Windows (95/98/NT), or on
Windows 2000 (NT 5).

If you are interested in working with us on this, please reply privately.

Regards,
...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc.

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Check the CHANGES file in the distribution...

On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, sch wrote:

> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:40:49 +0800
> From: sch <[email protected]>
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> Subject: any one explain the difference between different version?
>
> Anyone here can explain the difference between versions of pine?
> 3.96 -> 4.10,or tell me where I can find the information.thanks.
>
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Maybe someone running (the Windows version) PC Pine 4.10 (on Windows NT
workstation) has seen this problem

Background information:

The Pine "global" address book resides on a NetWare 4.10 server. I have
the NetWare directory permissions for this directory to [Read][File Scan]
only. My users running PC Pine version 4.05 have no trouble accessing
this "global" address book with only [read][file scan] NetWare directory
permissions.

Problem:

I have one user testing the new PC Pine 4.10. This new version works fine
except for the "global" address book. He gets the following error message
when accessing the "global" address book on NetWare 4.10 server:

Insufficient permissions when opening address book

In order for this single user running PC Pine 4.10 to successfully use the
global address book, I have to give him the additional NetWare directory
rights, [erase][create][modify] in addition to the default [read][file
scan]. In other words, the default rights [read][file scan] do not let
him access this "global" address book. This user testing PC Pine 4.10
does not have this problem running PC Pine 4.05. This same user accesses
the same "global" address book with his new version of PC Pine 4.10 as
others in my company using PC Pine 4.05. The users running PC Pine 4.05
have no problem accessing the "global" address book and do not have the
problem.

Has anyone else seen this problem with PC Pine 4.10, or any other version
of PC Pine?

Thanks,

Don Pliska

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Hi, pliska,can this pine4.10 release be built on NT?there is no
makefile.wnt or .nt
under the pine and pico directory.

If you have built pine4.10 succesefully on windows, please tell me how
to do it.

If any one here is planning to port pine4.10 to windows,tell me what are
you
trying to do,and, can I help you?

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> Hi, pliska,can this pine4.10 release be built on NT?there is no
> makefile.wnt or .nt under the pine and pico directory.
>
> If you have built pine4.10 succesefully on windows, please tell me how
> to do it.
>
> If any one here is planning to port pine4.10 to windows,tell me what are
> you trying to do,and, can I help you?

You can pick up a compiled copy which runs fine on WinNT from
ftp.cac.washington.edu
at pine/pcpine/pm410w32.zip.

My memory is faded....but I believe there is a licensing issue with regards
to the Win port of pcpine which prevents full source from being available.

Regards,
Ed

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I don't like the user interface pine offered, I think I can make it better and
offer APIs for other application to dynamically link to the mail utility.

If the full source code for windows is forbidden, we still can talk about it,
code it , and publish it on other sites even outside USA.

Ed Greshko wrote:

>
> You can pick up a compiled copy which runs fine on WinNT from
> ftp.cac.washington.edu
> at pine/pcpine/pm410w32.zip.
>
> My memory is faded....but I believe there is a licensing issue with regards
> to the Win port of pcpine which prevents full source from being available.
>
> Regards,
> Ed

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> I don't like the user interface pine offered, I think I can make
> it better and
> offer APIs for other application to dynamically link to the mail utility.
>
> If the full source code for windows is forbidden, we still can
> talk about it,
> code it , and publish it on other sites even outside USA.

I believe the license issue had something to do with the wonderfulness of
WinNT which prompted the developers to use commercial code in the Win port.
But sure, you can talk about what you are doing. It may even be a good idea
to disclose it now in this forum. And you can make all the changes you
desire in the Unix version for local use. But read the attached. Then, you
could even give the code of the Unix port to the developers and if the
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I would like to ask the Pine Team if you know approximately when the next
release of Pine will be? Right now we're running Pine 4.10 (it's good) on
one of our office servers but we had to rebuild it with a beta imap to fix
the lock folders problem. I really don't want to let 16,000 staff students
and faculty run with beta stuff.

Another question: We are investigating filtering software (in
particular,to filter out SPAM). I have been looking at procmail and
software that runs with it. Would you have any suggestions on what might
be one of the easiest and safest filtering programs that will run with
Pine? I don't want students or faculty to start playing around and end up
loosing all of their mail.

We are running Sun machines with Solaris 2.6.

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On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jessie Kleefstra wrote:

> Another question: We are investigating filtering software (in
> particular,to filter out SPAM). I have been looking at procmail and
> software that runs with it. Would you have any suggestions on what might
> be one of the easiest and safest filtering programs that will run with
> Pine? I don't want students or faculty to start playing around and end up
> loosing all of their mail.

You do not want to use procmail if you think it would cause
problems to have students or faculty deleting all their mail. Of course,
there are front ends to the .procmailrc files that should prevent this
sort of thing (or at least make it more difficult to happen). One thing
that you could do with procmail is to setup a global procmailrc that
creates a ``backup'' of the incoming mail. I don't know how easy it would
be to setup. My personal feeling is that if you provide the tools, and
explain the risks, then people who make a mess are responsible for the
problems they have created. Just try to make sure that the problems that
they can create are as limited in scope as possible. ANY filtering
software will probably allow you to delete all your mail...

Jessica

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Is there any way I can allow my multiple users using a single PC-PINE
to have their signatures from their IMAP servers to be added to thier
email messages. Or is it possible to install PC-PINE on SAMBA server
and allow my users have diff. instances of PC-PINE with diff PINERC

TIA for any ideas
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On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jessie Kleefstra wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:02:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jessie Kleefstra <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: next release
>
> [...]
>
> Another question: We are investigating filtering software (in
> particular,to filter out SPAM). I have been looking at procmail and
> software that runs with it. Would you have any suggestions on what might
> be one of the easiest and safest filtering programs that will run with
> Pine? I don't want students or faculty to start playing around and end up
> loosing all of their mail.

One of the problems with personal mail filters is that one wrong step
means your filters become rather nazi... procmail is extremely powerful
and configureable but can easily remove you from having any email to
read.

You might just slap procmail in someplace where it can't be reached by
mere mortals (read: users) and then just use a global procmailrc file
(but that then puts you in the "hot seat" as "chief censor" and once you
do that you find yourself in a rather precarious legal position).

You might just "install the tools" and let people "use it at their own
risk." (Or, if you, again, want to install a pretty good filter on-top
of procmail, check out "The Spam Bouncer" by Catherine A. Hampton at
http://www-new.hrweb.org/spambouncer/ -- you can install that globally
and allow users "a pretty good pre-configured filter" that they can
prety much configure to their needs)

You might also just want to head over to the procmail mailing list and
see if anyone has some good help over there for you. You can get on it
through normal mailing list efforts:

[email protected]

Hope that helps...

Russell

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I have been having a problem getting a PGP display-filter to work with
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used. When you select a PGP signed email message it tries to start the
filter but gives a 'tcsh: permission denied' error message (I had to use
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If I set the SHELL env variable to either /bin/sh or /usr/bin/zsh it will
work. But if the SHELL is set to /usr/bin/tcsh or /bin/csh it fails.

Also it is not just a display filter error. Trying the pipe gives the
same error.

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I have noticed this problem starting with v4.10, where if the login
session that is running it times out or is disconnected, Pine is still
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can someone enlighten me?

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FYI,
PC-Pine's URL's work now that we installed IE4 on those systems
that didn't have it. Thanks for the tip.

RCL

On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Terry Gray wrote:

> Robert,
> PC-Pine by default uses the windows registry to figure out what browser to
> use, and for that matter, how to handle MIME attachments.
>
> This seems to work fine with systems on which Internet Explorer 4.x has
> been installed, but I think I've seen some other non-IE4 systems that had
> troubles similar to yours. In other words, I think IE4 may install some
> registry stuff that is necessary for Pine's registry sniffing to work
> right.
>
> I suspect that if you enter the URL in the Windows "Start/Run" dialog box,
> it will fail with the same kinds of errors. (Normally on the Windows
> systems I use, you can just enter "http://whatever" in the "Run" dialog
> box, and that will automatically fire up the default browser.)
>
> You can also experiment with the explicit browser path variable in the
> pinerc...
>
> -teg
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Robert Larmon wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I am an avid fan of PC-Pine, but there is one thing that is
> > bothering me. (Yes, I checked the newsgroup and the FAQ, but was
> > unsuccessful finding anything related)
> >
> > I installed PC-Pine 4.05 from scratch on a user's system, who was
> > telnetting to Pine before. When he tries to select a valid URL, he gets
> > the message...
> >
> > "Cannot find the file 'http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~ckallas' (or one of
> > its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all
> > required libraries are available."
> >
> > Now, he has tried this on multiple URL's, all which work on mine
> > and others using PC-Pine. (I just upgraded to 4.10 from 4.05, and I
> > noticed no similar problem in either version).
> >
> > He is running Win95A w/Communicator 4.5 (I upgraded him from Netscape 4.08
> > thinking this might be the cause). These items are selected...
> >
> > [X] enable-msg-view-attachments
> > [X] enable-msg-view-urls
> > [X] enable-msg-view-web-hostnames
> >
> > Here is the Journal entry that Pine reports when the 1st user tries to
> > access a URL...
> >
> > "Cannot spawn command : *Shell*"
> >
> > My PC-Pine 4.10 says...
> >
> > "VIEWER command completed"
> >
> > To further confuse things, another user is also experiencing this problem,
> > and we just upgraded him to 4.10 from 3.95. His configuration is
> > identical except that he is using Netscape 4.07.
> >
> > Any thoughts? Is there a hidden config variable I missed somewhere or
> > that was automatically set that would cause this? I looked through the
> > Pinerc file, and couldn't find any option related to this. I also looked
> > through the technical docs, with no luck.
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> > ` Robert Larmon `
> > ` PC Systems Analyst `
> > ` USC Law School Computing Services `
> > ` [email protected] `
> > '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
` Robert Larmon `
` PC Systems Analyst `
` USC Law School Computing Services `
` [email protected] `
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

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On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bill Goulette wrote:

> I am running version 3.90 pine for UNIX. Can anyone direct me to the most
> recent (closest to Y2K compliant) version available?
> Thanks

To my knowledge there are no Y2K concerns with any version of
Pine. The only use of dates as far as I know is in the Date: field of the
message header, and no date that I know of will crash Pine. The problem
that may show up (and probably can't be handled at all), is dealing with
messages with non compliant (hm, RFC 822 specifies a 2 digit date, has
this been updated at some point?) mail readers. But, the problem is that
those messages may be placed in the wrong place in the date sorted list...
Am I sorely mistaken?

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Hello,

I want to report small bugs/inconsistencies in PINE 4.10. As I spent
20 minutes to find any bug-report address and could not find any, so I
finally ends on this list without being sure that it is appropriate, here
is bug one:

bug #1: there is no clear way to report a simple "bug", or at least I
could not find it from the documentation.

bug #2: when adding new viewers or filters in the Setup/Config section,
these programs must be given with their full path 'for security reasons'.
fine with me. However, if the user forget to do so, the line is just
ignored SILENTLY. I think that it should not be so quiet, i.e. the
configuration should at least warn the user if the entry is to be ignored.

bug #3: as for html viewers, I found no way to chose an alternate viewer
from the predefined list. One can just edit the viewer. I think that it
would be more consistent in pine to offer to switch between its configured
viewers, as it is done with mail filters or even roles.

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Hi,

I'm having problems porting the source code of pine to windows/dos.
Is there a project file and files which are adjusted for Microsoft Visual
C/C++ v6.0 or Borland C/C++ v5.02

Any help is greatly appreciated.
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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Fabien COELHO wrote:

> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:11:26 +0100 (CET)
> From: Fabien COELHO <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: bug report
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to report small bugs/inconsistencies in PINE 4.10. As I spent
> 20 minutes to find any bug-report address and could not find any, so I
> finally ends on this list without being sure that it is appropriate, here
> is bug one:
>
> bug #1: there is no clear way to report a simple "bug", or at least I
> could not find it from the documentation.

It's actually [email protected] (which is changeable in the
global configuration file. They also make mention of a "Report Bug"
command. However, I've yet to find that "command" (though I've not
looked terribly hard).

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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Russell Van Tassell wrote:

> It's actually [email protected] (which is changeable in the
> global configuration file. They also make mention of a "Report Bug"
> command. However, I've yet to find that "command" (though I've not
> looked terribly hard).

I have not found it in 4.05, but in 3.96, I didn't have a problem.
The address [email protected] as far as I can see is not in the
online documentation for 4.05. Maybe I'm missing something...

Jessica

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Hi All,

As explained in the FAQ (7.8.2), we have mail moved to users home
directory by using procmail as our local mail deliver agent configured
to deliver to ~/.mail. We modified the inbox-path in pine.conf to
point to ~/.mail and normal reading of mail seems to work just fine.

The problem comes in when a user uses "inbox" as an Fcc: address. For
example, if .addressbook contains:

bob bob sloane [email protected] inbox

pine 3.95q puts the copy in /var/spool/mail/$USER. Using pine 4.10,
the first time you use the Fcc: inbox pine asks if you want to create
the folder, and if you say yes, creates a folder called "inbox". The
second time you use Fcc: it asks again if you want to create the
folder, and then complains that it can't create it. All seems to work
as expected if the default mail spool file has not been moved.

How do I configure pine to look in the correct location for Fcc: inbox
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I want to pass a space containing command line option to my alternate
editor when it is invoked from pine but pine insists on interpreting the
option as one of the filenames to edit. I end up with two files in my
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editor set to this working file
================== ============
1. vim ~/pico.007505
2. vim -c "set textwidth=75" ~/textwidth=75"
3. vim -c set\ textwidth=75 ~/textwidth=75
4. vim -c "set textwidth=75" _TMPFILE_ ~/textwidth=75" & _TMPFILE_

Cases 1-3 work just fine if I use them on the command line, so the problem
is in how pine interprets and passes the arguments to the editor. How can I
tell pine that "set textwidth=75" is ONE argument, not two?

TIA

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Hello,

I have try to use Pine4.10 with Solaris 2.6, and I am not able to use
CRAM-MD5 autentification. I have try to compile Pine with gcc, with Sun
cc
et to get a precompiled version, the problem is allways the same,
my imap server does not accept my password!.

The server is PMDF 5.2 on Solaris 2.6

I'm pretty sure the problem is on the pine side because:
I have try a SunOS version, from SunOS and from Solaris,
and a Linux version: there all work well

This bug does not seems to be known. Does any body have already try
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Any advice is wellcome,
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Heya... this may not be the best place to ask, but I didn't see a
'pine-dev' list, so...

I've been doing a bit of PINE hacking over the past couple days, adding
support for RFC2369 to my local copy. (RFC2369 specifies special RFC822
headers that mailing list software can add to the headers of posts in
order to provide commands for subscribing/unsubscribing, getting help,
contacting the list owner, etc.)

As more mailing list packages begin to support RFC2369, and as several
clients (Pegasus, Eudora, etc.) are supporting it now, and I'd just
finished adding support for RFC2369 to the mailing list package I write, I
thought I'd hack support for it into my copy of PINE (hey, why not?).

Well, everything goes great up to a point. When reading from a local mail
spool, PINE finds the headers correctly, activates the 'Mailing List'
option, and you can go to the 'Mailing List' screen to unsubscribe, surf
to the mailing list archives, contact the list owner, etc. Works
perfectly, no problems. Not bad, for the first time I ever touched PINE's
source code.

However, it works somewhat less well (e.g. not at all) over IMAP. As my
primary method of reading my mail is over IMAP, this is a bit of a bummer
for me. I would have thought I only needed to add the RFC2369 headers to
the 'extraheaders' list, but it appears that doesn't do the trick. It
just never populates the envelope variables for the listserver options...

Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks!!

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Hi,

I'm having problems porting the source code of pine to windows/dos.
Is there a project file and files which are adjusted for Microsoft Visual
C/C++ v6.0 or Borland C/C++ v5.02
Ther is no projoct / makefile for this platform although Pine devellopers
are speaking about it.
I would like to make an automatic email extractor including attachments.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Hans

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Hans,
We already provide a windows version of pine, but we can't release source
for it because it includes proprietary code that we licensed for the
windows version.

However, for your project it may be sufficient to have access to the
c-client libraries, for which complete source is freely available. These
are used for both pc and Unix versions of Pine and provide all the
low-level MIME parsing and message access/storage routines.

-teg

On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Hans Hofman wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm having problems porting the source code of pine to windows/dos.
> Is there a project file and files which are adjusted for Microsoft Visual
> C/C++ v6.0 or Borland C/C++ v5.02
> Ther is no projoct / makefile for this platform although Pine devellopers
> are speaking about it.
> I would like to make an automatic email extractor including attachments.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Hans

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Are there any plans to release a dos/win3.1 version of Pine 4? It's a
major inconvenience for users to be unable to access their shared address
book on older machines...

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On 27 Mar 1999, Terry Gray <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hans,
> We already provide a windows version of pine, but we can't release source
> for it because it includes proprietary code that we licensed for the
> windows version.
>
> However, for your project it may be sufficient to have access to the
> c-client libraries, for which complete source is freely available. These
> are used for both pc and Unix versions of Pine and provide all the
> low-level MIME parsing and message access/storage routines.
>
> -teg
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Hans Hofman wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm having problems porting the source code of pine to windows/dos.
> > Is there a project file and files which are adjusted for Microsoft Visual
> > C/C++ v6.0 or Borland C/C++ v5.02
> > Ther is no projoct / makefile for this platform although Pine devellopers
> > are speaking about it.
> > I would like to make an automatic email extractor including attachments.
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Hans
>
>

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Alas,
DOS/Win3 users are relegated to the Pine 3.9x family... and can therefore
share addressbooks only via remote filesystems, not IMAP.

(Of course old machines also run telnet just fine :)

Sorry... it's a "price of progress"

-teg

On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Are there any plans to release a dos/win3.1 version of Pine 4? It's a
> major inconvenience for users to be unable to access their shared address
> book on older machines...
>
> Thanx.
>

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Ok, but why? What is the technical limitation that prevents dos/3.1
machines from running Pine 4?

Thanx.
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On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Terry Gray wrote:

> Alas,
> DOS/Win3 users are relegated to the Pine 3.9x family... and can therefore
> share addressbooks only via remote filesystems, not IMAP.
>
> (Of course old machines also run telnet just fine :)
>
> Sorry... it's a "price of progress"
>
> -teg
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
> > Are there any plans to release a dos/win3.1 version of Pine 4? It's a
> > major inconvenience for users to be unable to access their shared address
> > book on older machines...
> >
> > Thanx.
> >
>
>

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It's a 32-bit program. At best, you'd have to have Win32 running, and I
personally have never been able to get it to work the way it's supposed
to.

Greg

On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Ok, but why? What is the technical limitation that prevents dos/3.1
> machines from running Pine 4?
>
> Thanx.
> Scott Leibrand
> [email protected]
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>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Terry Gray wrote:
>
> > Alas,
> > DOS/Win3 users are relegated to the Pine 3.9x family... and can therefore
> > share addressbooks only via remote filesystems, not IMAP.
> >
> > (Of course old machines also run telnet just fine :)
> >
> > Sorry... it's a "price of progress"
> >
> > -teg
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> >
> > > Are there any plans to release a dos/win3.1 version of Pine 4? It's a
> > > major inconvenience for users to be unable to access their shared address
> > > book on older machines...
> > >
> > > Thanx.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Ok... Is Unix Pine 4 also 32-bit, then? What's the difference between
16-bit and 32-bit programs, anyway? :)

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On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:

>
> It's a 32-bit program. At best, you'd have to have Win32 running, and I
> personally have never been able to get it to work the way it's supposed
> to.
>
> Greg
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
> > Ok, but why? What is the technical limitation that prevents dos/3.1
> > machines from running Pine 4?
> >
> > Thanx.
> > Scott Leibrand
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Terry Gray wrote:
> >
> > > Alas,
> > > DOS/Win3 users are relegated to the Pine 3.9x family... and can therefore
> > > share addressbooks only via remote filesystems, not IMAP.
> > >
> > > (Of course old machines also run telnet just fine :)
> > >
> > > Sorry... it's a "price of progress"
> > >
> > > -teg
> > >
> > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are there any plans to release a dos/win3.1 version of Pine 4? It's a
> > > > major inconvenience for users to be unable to access their shared address
> > > > book on older machines...
> > > >
> > > > Thanx.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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16-bit programs were written for DOS / Windows 3.x, and 32-bit programs
are more for Windows 95 / 98 / NT.

On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Ok... Is Unix Pine 4 also 32-bit, then? What's the difference between
> 16-bit and 32-bit programs, anyway? :)
>
> --
> Scott Leibrand
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>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:
>
> >
> > It's a 32-bit program. At best, you'd have to have Win32 running, and I
> > personally have never been able to get it to work the way it's supposed
> > to.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, but why? What is the technical limitation that prevents dos/3.1
> > > machines from running Pine 4?
> > >
> > > Thanx.
> > > Scott Leibrand
> > >
> > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Terry Gray wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alas,
> > > > DOS/Win3 users are relegated to the Pine 3.9x family... and can therefore
> > > > share addressbooks only via remote filesystems, not IMAP.
> > > >
> > > > (Of course old machines also run telnet just fine :)
> > > >
> > > > Sorry... it's a "price of progress"
> > > >
> > > > -teg
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Are there any plans to release a dos/win3.1 version of Pine 4? It's a
> > > > > major inconvenience for users to be unable to access their shared address
> > > > > book on older machines...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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I know that much. I'm interested more in the technical differences.

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On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:

>
> 16-bit programs were written for DOS / Windows 3.x, and 32-bit programs
> are more for Windows 95 / 98 / NT.
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>
> > Ok... Is Unix Pine 4 also 32-bit, then? What's the difference between
> > 16-bit and 32-bit programs, anyway? :)
> >
> > --
> > Scott Leibrand
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It's a 32-bit program. At best, you'd have to have Win32 running, and I
> > > personally have never been able to get it to work the way it's supposed
> > > to.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, but why? What is the technical limitation that prevents dos/3.1
> > > > machines from running Pine 4?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx.
> > > > Scott Leibrand
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Terry Gray wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Alas,
> > > > > DOS/Win3 users are relegated to the Pine 3.9x family... and can therefore
> > > > > share addressbooks only via remote filesystems, not IMAP.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Of course old machines also run telnet just fine :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry... it's a "price of progress"
> > > > >
> > > > > -teg
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are there any plans to release a dos/win3.1 version of Pine 4? It's a
> > > > > > major inconvenience for users to be unable to access their shared address
> > > > > > book on older machines...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanx.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> I know that much. I'm interested more in the technical differences.
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:
> > 16-bit programs were written for DOS / Windows 3.x, and 32-bit programs
> > are more for Windows 95 / 98 / NT.

Ok, I'll try to contribute something here.

I just finished porting 2 apps from 16 bit to 32 bit
(actually they were dll's). Anyway, we had the code written
to be pretty portable already (68000, Sparc, Dos, linux),
so except for changes in the
way that win32 handled serial communication, it was pretty
much re-compiling. Sometimes it can be simple, other times
you can run into limits
no arrays with more than 64K elements
there are limits on the size of individual arrays.
in 16 bit land you sometimes need to be aware that pointers
could sometimes be a 16 bit segment, and a 16 bit offset
I think there is a limit (like 4096) possible segments, although
the newer compiler libraries try to merge many news into the same
segment.

I haven't looked at what services are provided in the libraries
that they can't release, that may be an issue also.

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On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Mark Crispin wrote:

> > However, it works somewhat less well (e.g. not at all) over IMAP. As my
> > primary method of reading my mail is over IMAP, this is a bit of a bummer
> > for me. I would have thought I only needed to add the RFC2369 headers to
> > the 'extraheaders' list, but it appears that doesn't do the trick. It
> > just never populates the envelope variables for the listserver options...
>
> Did you put in proper envelope merging code into imap_parse_envelope() and
> imap_parse_header()?

D'oh! I cannot believe I overlooked that! <sheepish grin>

Thank you! Now the patch works perfectly, over IMAP and over normal mbox
connections. Several of my friends are using it now, since as more
listservers begin to implement RFC2369, it's useful. Nice to be able to
just hit '#' at a Message View screen and get 'subscribe', 'unsubscribe',
'help', and other Mailing List commands, as well as links to archives for
the mailing list and such. :)

Thanks again... now I probably should put the patch up somewhere in case
other people want it. :)

--Loki
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Terry Gray wrote:

> Hans,
> We already provide a windows version of pine, but we can't release source
> for it because it includes proprietary code that we licensed for the
> windows version.
>

I think c-client is enough if we are trying to port pine to windows. I found
that
the pine,pico are sth deal with GUI,cfg and I guess the funtional work as
sending, recving mail,
parsing mail were done in c-client, but I still hope some documents will
introduce the API offered by c-client lib, the documents should have been made
by the
devel group, and why not publish them on internet for pine community?

>
> However, for your project it may be sufficient to have access to the
> c-client libraries, for which complete source is freely available. These
> are used for both pc and Unix versions of Pine and provide all the
> low-level MIME parsing and message access/storage routines.
>
> -teg
>

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> > It's actually [email protected] (which is changeable in the
> > global configuration file. They also make mention of a "Report Bug"
> > command. However, I've yet to find that "command" (though I've not
> > looked terribly hard).
>=20
> =09I have not found it in 4.05, but in 3.96, I didn't have a problem.
> The address [email protected] as far as I can see is not in th=
e
> online documentation for 4.05. Maybe I'm missing something...

Yep. The 4.10 online doc does specify a bug-report command, but I haven't
found it. I haven't found the pine-bugs@... address in the documentation.

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I'm doing some advance testing of PC-Pine 4.10 and another user reported to
me that there was a delay in sending messages. I've been using my personal
UNIX workstation as the SMTP server so it's been quick. However, if you
use our multiuser UNIX box (even when the load is low), you can expect
20-30 seconds delay when you tell it to send the message. IMAP's not doing
a thing so where is the delay coming from? Is there any way to minimize
it? Thanks.

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On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Fabien COELHO wrote:

>
> > > It's actually [email protected] (which is changeable in the
> > > global configuration file. They also make mention of a "Report Bug"
> > > command. However, I've yet to find that "command" (though I've not
> > > looked terribly hard).
> >
> > I have not found it in 4.05, but in 3.96, I didn't have a problem.
> > The address [email protected] as far as I can see is not in the
> > online documentation for 4.05. Maybe I'm missing something...
>
> Yep. The 4.10 online doc does specify a bug-report command, but I haven't
> found it. I haven't found the pine-bugs@... address in the documentation.

I know it is in there somewhere, as the core dump (which I seem to
be getting far too many of lately), has that information in it. I think I
also saw something that indicated that the ``report bug'' feature is also
in there somewhere. This is in V4.05....

Jessica

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I apologize if this is not appropriate place to post this message.

I have a project that needs to be done.
* Install Pine in AIX system
* Configure Pine so that it will read e-mail from an Exchange server
* AIX can ping the Exchange Server
* I can configure Exchange Server to support POP3
* I can provide a root account for configuring the Pine

Can anyone let me know if you are interested? Please let me know how much
you will charge and how long it will take.

Thanks,

Sean Huang
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Don,

> I'm doing some advance testing of PC-Pine 4.10 and another user
> reported to me that there was a delay in sending messages.
> I've been using my personal
> UNIX workstation as the SMTP server so it's been quick. However, if you
> use our multiuser UNIX box (even when the load is low), you can expect
> 20-30 seconds delay when you tell it to send the message. IMAP's
> not doing
> a thing so where is the delay coming from? Is there any way to minimize
> it? Thanks.

It is early here, so I'm just confirming that when you hit "send" on PC-Pine
you see the indication that the message is being send....but it takes 20-30
seconds for even a short message to be sent.

You've tried PC-Pine using 2 different SMTP hosts. One is your Unix
workstation and the other the shared Unix server. With your box all is OK.
It is interfacing with the shared server that shows the delay.

This is a "guess". Are the Unix systems using differenet versions of
sendmail or different configurations? It is possible that the shared Unix
host is doing reverse DNS lookups on the incoming SMTP connections and due
to configuration issues in your DNS it may be taking some time to time out.

Regards,
Ed

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HELP!!

I know how to forward but how do you forward just messages from certain
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| ||| \/ \/\___/\__/ // / / \/ \ \ / Happy! Happy! \
| |||_ (_/ || /__|O||O|__ \ \ Joy! Joy! /
\// | | || |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | \ ___________/
|| | | ||\ | | (____) | || |/
||_ \ \ //_/ \/\___/\__/ // _/
\_| o| \______// (_/ ||
/\___/ __ || __|| | ||\
/ ||||__ (____(____) \ //_/
(___)_) \______//
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On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, scooby doo wrote:
> HELP!!

Yes, you certainly need it.

> I know how to forward but how do you forward just messages from
> certain parties to others????

man procmail

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.. is no longer listed in the Pine Configuration Screen feature-list.
It does work if you add it manually to your pinerc so it seems to have
become a hidden feature. Is this a bug or feature?

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Sounds like a feature. :) Does disable-keymenu disable the bottom two
lines that tell you what to press? I would think you wouldn't want
ignorant users (like most the 40,000+ Pine users here at the UW are)
disabling that and not knowing what to do...

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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Nancy McGough wrote:

> ... is no longer listed in the Pine Configuration Screen feature-list.
> It does work if you add it manually to your pinerc so it seems to have
> become a hidden feature. Is this a bug or feature?
>
>

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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Scott Leibrand wrote:

> Sounds like a feature. :) Does disable-keymenu disable the bottom two
> lines that tell you what to press? I would think you wouldn't want
> ignorant users (like most the 40,000+ Pine users here at the UW are)
> disabling that and not knowing what to do...

If you really think that it is something that you don't want
changed, you can put it in the pine.conf.fixed file, and make it not
configurable. I would say that it's not something worth making not
configurable. People who want to do it, can get quite irate when certian
features are no longer avalable...

Jessica

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