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We are having similar problems with our system, although we do have quotas
set up.

We have a UnixWare 7 box. When those users who are over their quotas use
PC-Pine to connect via imapd, they are told that their mailbox is open by
another process. Their mailbox then becomes read-only and they cannot delete
any messages to get them back under their quota.

There appears to be plenty of space on all filesystems. Is there a temporary
file that pine creates in the user's space when starting up, and if so is
there a way to place this file in a different location (i.e. on another file
system)?

Any suggestions??
Thanks!

Julie Foster
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Messiah College

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Hi,

We've successfully installed wu-ftp with 90% of our system users chroot'ed
to their own directory. Ftp is now shored up exactly as we need it to be.
However, Pine Mail is failing to attach files with the messages:

When trying to attach, this message comes up:
[ Problem attaching: /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ]

After moving from the attachment area, this message appears:
[ Attachments allowed only from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ]

I've unsuccessfully searched the archives of both Pine and WU-FTP to find
the answer to this problem. What do I need to do to fix this?

Thanks in advance,

Sheryl Lemma

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> When trying to attach, this message comes up:
> [ Problem attaching: /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ]

it sounds like you need to check the permissions of the file and/or
directory you are trying to attach.

> After moving from the attachment area, this message appears:
> [ Attachments allowed only from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ]

again, sounds like a permissions problem.

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George,

The test file (as with the other test files) is readable, writable and
executable by all. Permissions do not appear to be the problem. I have a
strong feeling it is the chroot, since everything was working up until we
installed ftp.

Sheryl

At 11:43 AM 9/1/98 -0400, George McConnell wrote:
>> When trying to attach, this message comes up:
>> [ Problem attaching: /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ]
>
>it sounds like you need to check the permissions of the file and/or
>directory you are trying to attach.
>
>> After moving from the attachment area, this message appears:
>> [ Attachments allowed only from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ]
>
>again, sounds like a permissions problem.
>
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>
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Sheryl,

What about the '/./' at the end of the path? Perhaps that's a config
problem in wu-ftp that's throwing Pine?

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On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Sheryl A. Lemma wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We've successfully installed wu-ftp with 90% of our system users chroot'ed
> to their own directory. Ftp is now shored up exactly as we need it to be.
> However, Pine Mail is failing to attach files with the messages:
>
> When trying to attach, this message comes up:
> [ Problem attaching: /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ]
>
> After moving from the attachment area, this message appears:
> [ Attachments allowed only from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ]
>
> I've unsuccessfully searched the archives of both Pine and WU-FTP to find
> the answer to this problem. What do I need to do to fix this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Sheryl Lemma
>
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Joe,

Ay, there's the rub. The /./ is the chroot command included in the passwd
entry that restricts the user to his/her own directory for ftp purposes.
Works wonderfully for keeping nosy little students from getting the
/etc/passwd file.

Based on the answers I've received, it seems that no one is using Pine in
conjunction with wu-ftp. Is this really the case? If so, what are other
schools/institutions doing to restrict access to the password file?

Sheryl

At 12:24 PM 9/1/98 -0400, Joe DiBenedetto wrote:
>Sheryl,
>
>What about the '/./' at the end of the path? Perhaps that's a config
>problem in wu-ftp that's throwing Pine?
>
>Joe:D
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>On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Sheryl A. Lemma wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We've successfully installed wu-ftp with 90% of our system users chroot'ed
>> to their own directory. Ftp is now shored up exactly as we need it to be.
>> However, Pine Mail is failing to attach files with the messages:
>>
>> When trying to attach, this message comes up:
>> [ Problem attaching: /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ]
>>
>> After moving from the attachment area, this message appears:
>> [ Attachments allowed only from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ]
>>
>> I've unsuccessfully searched the archives of both Pine and WU-FTP to find
>> the answer to this problem. What do I need to do to fix this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Sheryl Lemma
>>
>>
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Sheryl,

> Ay, there's the rub. The /./ is the chroot command included in the passwd
> entry that restricts the user to his/her own directory for ftp purposes.
> Works wonderfully for keeping nosy little students from getting the
> /etc/passwd file.
>
> Based on the answers I've received, it seems that no one is using Pine in
> conjunction with wu-ftp. Is this really the case? If so, what are other
> schools/institutions doing to restrict access to the password file?

Are you looking to restrict access to the password file because you don't
want everyone to know who else has an account or is it because you don't
want folks running "crack" against the file. If it is the latter then you
should determine if your system can run with a "shadow" password file. The
put the password in a file called "shadow" which is not readable. Most
systems these days run in that manner. Some need to be coaxed into that
configuration.

Regards,
Ed

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Hi Ed (and Joe, who asked the same question),

We are restricting the password file because we cannot run shadowed
passwords. The same machine that holds our student accounts also holds our
Library system (Unicorn, from Sirsi). Sirsi won't work with shadowed
passwords. Great software, huh?

Anyway, outside of moving all student accounts to another machine (for
which we don't have the money) we are stuck with our current setup.

Over the past few months, we had problems with the password file being both
ftp'd and pulled into Pine either as text or an attachment. We have plugged
the Pine holes (very easy), and this summer we installed wu-ftp for the ftp
protection. Basically, the ftp program works by doing a chroot in the
passwd file so that a person sees his/her directory as the top level
directory. Any attempts to cd out of the directory will just be an error,
because the ftp sees this directory as the root directory. There's only one
catch ... in order to do listing, you must provide a statically linked copy
(or hard-link to such) of the ls program in each home directory. This is
only for the ftp program, though. All of our other programs work if using a
telnet session; with, of course, the exception of the Pine attachments.

No one else is really using this combination, huh?

Thanks for the continuous feedback (I have yet to hear from the wu-ftp list),

Sheryl

At 07:58 AM 9/2/98 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>Sheryl,
>
>> Ay, there's the rub. The /./ is the chroot command included in the passwd
>> entry that restricts the user to his/her own directory for ftp purposes.
>> Works wonderfully for keeping nosy little students from getting the
>> /etc/passwd file.
>>
>> Based on the answers I've received, it seems that no one is using Pine in
>> conjunction with wu-ftp. Is this really the case? If so, what are other
>> schools/institutions doing to restrict access to the password file?
>
>Are you looking to restrict access to the password file because you don't
>want everyone to know who else has an account or is it because you don't
>want folks running "crack" against the file. If it is the latter then you
>should determine if your system can run with a "shadow" password file. The
>put the password in a file called "shadow" which is not readable. Most
>systems these days run in that manner. Some need to be coaxed into that
>configuration.
>
>Regards,
>Ed
>
>
>

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Sheryl,

No, I don't think too many people are using that combo.

Speaking of links, what if you put a symbolic link to the directory where
the pine attachments are? Maybe that would help?

Joe:D

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Sheryl A. Lemma wrote:

> Hi Ed (and Joe, who asked the same question),
>
> We are restricting the password file because we cannot run shadowed
> passwords. The same machine that holds our student accounts also holds our
> Library system (Unicorn, from Sirsi). Sirsi won't work with shadowed
> passwords. Great software, huh?
>
> Anyway, outside of moving all student accounts to another machine (for
> which we don't have the money) we are stuck with our current setup.
>
> Over the past few months, we had problems with the password file being both
> ftp'd and pulled into Pine either as text or an attachment. We have plugged
> the Pine holes (very easy), and this summer we installed wu-ftp for the ftp
> protection. Basically, the ftp program works by doing a chroot in the
> passwd file so that a person sees his/her directory as the top level
> directory. Any attempts to cd out of the directory will just be an error,
> because the ftp sees this directory as the root directory. There's only one
> catch ... in order to do listing, you must provide a statically linked copy
> (or hard-link to such) of the ls program in each home directory. This is
> only for the ftp program, though. All of our other programs work if using a
> telnet session; with, of course, the exception of the Pine attachments.
>
> No one else is really using this combination, huh?
>
> Thanks for the continuous feedback (I have yet to hear from the wu-ftp list),
>
> Sheryl
>
> At 07:58 AM 9/2/98 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >Sheryl,
> >
> >> Ay, there's the rub. The /./ is the chroot command included in the passwd
> >> entry that restricts the user to his/her own directory for ftp purposes.
> >> Works wonderfully for keeping nosy little students from getting the
> >> /etc/passwd file.
> >>
> >> Based on the answers I've received, it seems that no one is using Pine in
> >> conjunction with wu-ftp. Is this really the case? If so, what are other
> >> schools/institutions doing to restrict access to the password file?
> >
> >Are you looking to restrict access to the password file because you don't
> >want everyone to know who else has an account or is it because you don't
> >want folks running "crack" against the file. If it is the latter then you
> >should determine if your system can run with a "shadow" password file. The
> >put the password in a file called "shadow" which is not readable. Most
> >systems these days run in that manner. Some need to be coaxed into that
> >configuration.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Ed
> >
> >
> >
>
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On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Joe DiBenedetto wrote:

> Sheryl,
>
> No, I don't think too many people are using that combo.
>
> Speaking of links, what if you put a symbolic link to the directory where
> the pine attachments are? Maybe that would help?
>
> Joe:D
>

If the destination is outside the chrooted area then a symbolic link won't
work, but a hard link would.

> On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Sheryl A. Lemma wrote:
>
> > Hi Ed (and Joe, who asked the same question),
> >
> > We are restricting the password file because we cannot run shadowed
> > passwords. The same machine that holds our student accounts also holds our
> > Library system (Unicorn, from Sirsi). Sirsi won't work with shadowed
> > passwords. Great software, huh?
> >
> > Anyway, outside of moving all student accounts to another machine (for
> > which we don't have the money) we are stuck with our current setup.
> >
> > Over the past few months, we had problems with the password file being both
> > ftp'd and pulled into Pine either as text or an attachment. We have plugged
> > the Pine holes (very easy), and this summer we installed wu-ftp for the ftp
> > protection. Basically, the ftp program works by doing a chroot in the
> > passwd file so that a person sees his/her directory as the top level
> > directory. Any attempts to cd out of the directory will just be an error,
> > because the ftp sees this directory as the root directory. There's only one
> > catch ... in order to do listing, you must provide a statically linked copy
> > (or hard-link to such) of the ls program in each home directory. This is
> > only for the ftp program, though. All of our other programs work if using a
> > telnet session; with, of course, the exception of the Pine attachments.
> >
> > No one else is really using this combination, huh?
> >
> > Thanks for the continuous feedback (I have yet to hear from the wu-ftp list),
> >
> > Sheryl
> >
> > At 07:58 AM 9/2/98 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > >Sheryl,
> > >
> > >> Ay, there's the rub. The /./ is the chroot command included in the passwd
> > >> entry that restricts the user to his/her own directory for ftp purposes.
> > >> Works wonderfully for keeping nosy little students from getting the
> > >> /etc/passwd file.
> > >>
> > >> Based on the answers I've received, it seems that no one is using Pine in
> > >> conjunction with wu-ftp. Is this really the case? If so, what are other
> > >> schools/institutions doing to restrict access to the password file?
> > >
> > >Are you looking to restrict access to the password file because you don't
> > >want everyone to know who else has an account or is it because you don't
> > >want folks running "crack" against the file. If it is the latter then you
> > >should determine if your system can run with a "shadow" password file. The
> > >put the password in a file called "shadow" which is not readable. Most
> > >systems these days run in that manner. Some need to be coaxed into that
> > >configuration.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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At 03:38 PM 9/2/98 +0100, Russell Heilling wrote:
>If the destination is outside the chrooted area then a symbolic link won't
>work, but a hard link would.

That's the problem ... the destination shouldn't be outside the chrooted
area. A student cannot attach anything even in his own directory! When you
^J, ^T and look in Pine, you can see the files in your home directory. It's
just that when you select it, it gives the problem attaching message ( [
Problem attaching: /usr/users/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ] ), then when you
move past the attachment line, it tells you ( [ Attachments allowed only
from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ] ).

It seems like Pine does not understand the . in the path.

Again, many thanks for scratching your collective heads with me on this.

Regards,

Sheryl

P.S. I've now posted to FOUR lists with this problem ... if I ever do get
the answer to this and it's not from this list, I'll be sure to post it! :)

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On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Sheryl A. Lemma wrote:

>At 03:38 PM 9/2/98 +0100, Russell Heilling wrote:
>>If the destination is outside the chrooted area then a symbolic link won't
>>work, but a hard link would.
>
>That's the problem ... the destination shouldn't be outside the chrooted
>area. A student cannot attach anything even in his own directory! When you
>^J, ^T and look in Pine, you can see the files in your home directory. It's
>just that when you select it, it gives the problem attaching message ( [
>Problem attaching: /usr/users/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ] ), then when you
>move past the attachment line, it tells you ( [ Attachments allowed only
>from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ] ).
>
>It seems like Pine does not understand the . in the path.
>
>Again, many thanks for scratching your collective heads with me on this.
>
>Regards,
>
> Sheryl
>
>P.S. I've now posted to FOUR lists with this problem ... if I ever do get
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On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Sheryl A. Lemma wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We've successfully installed wu-ftp with 90% of our system users chroot'ed
> to their own directory. Ftp is now shored up exactly as we need it to be.
> However, Pine Mail is failing to attach files with the messages:
>
> When trying to attach, this message comes up:
> [ Problem attaching: /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./JIMNJILL.jpg ]
>
> After moving from the attachment area, this message appears:
> [ Attachments allowed only from /usr/users/students/a_ziffel/./ ]
>
> I've unsuccessfully searched the archives of both Pine and WU-FTP to find
> the answer to this problem. What do I need to do to fix this?
>
As shown here, I have successfully attached a file from my home directory
with my home directory set as you have stated

[8:54am] mcope@orion (~/var/log): grep mcope /etc/passwd
mcope:x:14870:14750:Michael Thomas Cope:/home/hmc_2000/mcope/./:/usr/local/bin/tcsh

This is Pine 4.02 with Solaris 2.6 compiled with gcc 2.8.1.

-Mike
--
Michael Cope: Harvey Mudd College '00; Armand Hammer UWC '96
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I've been trying to send an email with an HTML attachment so that another pine
user can read it inline. I'd like to send it as an attachment, not
in the body of the message.

Pine attaches and sends it fine, but when I CC: myself and read it in Pine,
the HTML file can only be read via an external viewer -> the pine viewer won't
show it.

If I save the message to a folder, then change the attachment's MIME
HEADER from:

Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="temp.html"

to:

Content-Disposition: inline; filename="temp.html"

then pine shows the attachment inline, as I'd like.

Is there anyway to configure pine to do this at send time? (ie. to attach HTML
files, or text files in general, as inline attachments so that pine will
display them in the normal message display)?

How did the Pine developers expect pine users to send HTML so that it is
viewable by Pine, attachements or in the message body?

Thanks,
Jeff

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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
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As for the maintenance aspect, it introduces a small set of new features,
but fixes numerous bugs and annoyances found in the previous 4.x releases.
Information on specific changes can be found in the built-in release notes
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http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
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ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
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ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

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As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
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Hi Jeff,

As it should be! (sigh/grin:) TWO DIFFERENT CRITTERS (like a
removable floppy vs a Hard Drive vs a CDROM = data yes, rwxALL=NO!).
</grip mode ON>THANKS
Oh, Please please dont' try to M_A_K_E pine be forced to read HTML.
HTML doesn't even BELONG in e-mail at all! It has its domain, it has its
FUNCTION, but that is like asking, I want to send e-mail with ALL of my
data files attached! This neither is a function of e-mail, this is a
function of a file transferring feature. ftp etc.
Besides slowing down e-mail (html gutted in bulk) It *IS NOT* read or
readable by everyone out there </grip mode OFF>
-----
All the funny letters just to say THANKS!
<suggestion on>
<NextYears= ">2001 FONTS /active on rem kill9 ##########@domain.##?/
:/Interlaced active:GO: THANKS:/"/"interlaced inactive/active OFF</End
FONTS 2001></NextYears)
</suggestion on/off>

Plus it is so much F_U_N and so EASY to read too :) PUSH THANKS

Bonus thought:) filter it to ascii folder, or show him how to do that??
and send it, as links (forms/cgi-bin+)
will be off-line line anyway and really slow down the net (sigh).. can't
you just type in Hey! "go chekc out http://abvc.abc.com *cool site*"
Every E-mail I get from Bill Gate'rs out there, that come up I can't
display it, I JUST DELETE IT... I already *GET* Enough Junk Mail.
Nothing personal against you Jeff (heck I don't even know you <grin>),
BUT HTML *Anything* in E-mail is asking for stuffed mailboxes, not speed
and global E_MAIL access. Some system restrict the SIZE of each piece of
mail already to prevent this, so odds are it might get attached, yet never
get through. If you're just trying to show him a *cool* url, point him to
it in ascii or add a few keystrokes in your
a href="[email protected]#" <----- Thats all and FAST F_A_S_T!
:)

Hope this helps, I know , N_O_T Quit your question, BUT, html doesn't
belong in e-mail. It belongs in URL's & home pages, & books on HTMLD.

-=se=-
steve (plus it's really a bear to read for others:) ekwall
[email protected]

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On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Jeff Goswick wrote:

I've been trying to send an email with an HTML attachment so that another pine
user can read it inline. I'd like to send it as an attachment, not
in the body of the message.

Pine attaches and sends it fine, but when I CC: myself and read it in Pine,
the HTML file can only be read via an external viewer -> the pine viewer won't
show it.

If I save the message to a folder, then change the attachment's MIME
HEADER from:

Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="temp.html"

to:

Content-Disposition: inline; filename="temp.html"

then pine shows the attachment inline, as I'd like.

Is there anyway to configure pine to do this at send time? (ie. to attach HTML
files, or text files in general, as inline attachments so that pine will
display them in the normal message display)?

How did the Pine developers expect pine users to send HTML so that it is
viewable by Pine, attachements or in the message body?

Thanks,
Jeff

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Hello,
I don't know if this is the right channel to ask but anyway here is the
question:
I'm using PC Pine 3.96 and I have in my pinerc-file set the date of
last-time-pruned to 99.12. Still Pine is asking me if I want to prune my
folders... and I don't want it. Is this a known feature/bug or should I do
something more than just set the date for turning off the feature??

By the way, I'm very delighted with the 4.03 version for PC!!!

Greetings,
Rudy

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I tried to install in Single user mode and came up with the message below.
Anyone have any ideas what could be wrong?

cc: Error: Process /usr/ccs/bin/as exited with status 11
*** Error code 11 (bu21)

make fatal error.

Navin M Rao wrote:

> Hi Joe, Jimmy,
>
> I have the same problem in installing PINE 4.02. The /var file system has
> about 120 MB free space during installation and yet I get this fatal error
> about the assembler 'as' not being able to allocate 40000 bytes in
> /var/tmp. I've noticed that when this error occurs, the freemem parameter
> as reported by the command "sar -r 1 5" drops dangerously low to about 100
> bytes. I wonder if this is the real reason for the fatal error. Would
> appreciate if any of you can throw light on this.
>
> In any case I'm going to do the installation this weekend in Single user
> mode so that other user processes do not hog memory. I'll get back on my
> findings.
>
> Bye
>
> Navin M Rao
> email: [email protected], [email protected]
>
> On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Joe DiBenedetto wrote:
>
> > Jimmy,
> >
> > Sounds like you need to enlarge your /var filesystem. Ask your system
> > administrator to assist (unless you're it, of course).
> >
> > Joe:D
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Jimmy Miller Jr wrote:
> >
> > > I'm having a problem installing Pine 4.02 on a Unisys U6000 running SVR4
> > > Unix. I'm attaching a piece of the install screen where the problem is
> > > displayed. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > cd ipopd;make
> > > cd imapd;make
> > >
> > > Making Pico and Pilot
> > > make CC=cc -f makefile.sv4
> > >
> > > Making Pine.
> > > make CC=cc -f makefile.sv4
> > > cc -g -DDEBUG -Dconst= -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -DMOUSE -c
> > > helptext.
> > > c
> > > "./../pico/headers.h", line 47: warning: macro redefined: signal
> > > /var/tmp/ctm2AAAa001Qn:117308:cannot allocate 40000 bytes: Not enough
> > > space
> > > /var/tmp/ctm2AAAa001Qn:117308:cannot recover from previous error
> > > *** Error code 1 (bu21)
> > >
> > > make: fatal error.
> > >
> > > Links to executables are in bin directory:
> > > i386size: bin/pine: cannot open
> > > bin/mtest: 270249 + 218104 + 7344 = 495697
> > > bin/imapd: 294001 + 222660 + 14604 = 531265
> > > bin/pico: 132794 + 30352 + 8092 = 171238
> > > bin/pilot: 131866 + 29880 + 8092 = 169838
> > > Done
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Jimmy Miller
> > > [email protected]
> > >
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On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Ted Rolle wrote:

> In Linux/Pine 4.02:
>
> I'm trying to change my From: address from my ISP to usa.net.
>
> I've tried every combination but the right one of
> allow-changing-from/customized-hdrs in pine.conf.fixed, ~/.pinerc, and
> pine.conf.
>
> Has anyone actually succeeded in doing this?

Yes. I have the following as part of the feature-list in the Preferences
section of my ~/.pinerc:

feature-list=allow-changing-from

In addition, you also need to tell pine to add _and_ display by default
the From: header. From my ~/.pinerc:

# Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages
default-composer-hdrs=To:,
Cc:,
From:,
Attchmnt:,
Subject:,
Fcc:

# Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when
composing
customized-hdrs=From:

- brett

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On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Rudy Rys wrote:

> I'm using PC Pine 3.96 and I have in my pinerc-file set the date of
> last-time-pruned to 99.12. Still Pine is asking me if I want to prune my
> folders... and I don't want it. Is this a known feature/bug or should I do
> something more than just set the date for turning off the feature??

Can't say, but I have used PC Pine 3.96 for more than a year, without that
question. I know it from Unix Pine.

I made a standard installation and have never made any changes in pinerc
in this area.

Today my pinerc looks this way:

# Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning.
last-time-prune-questioned=98.9

so it update pinerc without any questions! :-)

Regards Lars

Lars Scheffmann, Network Adm. E-Mail: [email protected]
Dept. of Academic Information Technology Phone: +45 6615 8600 ext.2867
DOU, Odense University Direct: +45 6557 2867
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: Alfonso Balcells [SMTP:[email protected]]
Enviado el: jueves 3 de septiembre de 1998 13:27
Para: '[email protected]'
Asunto: PICO editor

Hello,
I have installed Pine 4.02 in system Unix SCO OSR5 in terminal mode, VT220 (without X window) and have questions about PICO editor.

I don?t know mark cursor position as beginning of selected text, with the key ^^ . There are that marked the key Ctrl twice, or how?

How I do COPY? I can only CUT/UNCUT.

What libraries use PICO of PINE ?

Can I modify Pico source code (if YES, I will send new source code you)?

Use PICO NCURSES library?

Thank you in advance.
Alfonso Balcells
[email protected]

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i received a message from someone else in my company and decided to
save
it. i saved it as vac/leave time. this name would not take, and it is now
called vac/. however, i can not open or delete this folder. when i try to
open it i get "select failed: mail/vac/
(file/home/04e/04eclcac/mail/vac/)" what do i need to do to get rid of
this message?

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Hi, All, :)

Firstly: *Thank* *you* for PC-Pine 4.03! I haven't gotten into the bevy
of new features yet, but I did discover the (perhaps) most important
one: it was truly a "drop in." All I did is copy over the old PC-Pine
3.96 files, and *poof* - everything worked the first time!! Yay!

However, I am noticing a weirdness. :/ In v3.96, the little pine tree
icon in the taskbar notification area would only be displayed if there
was new mail since you had last focused the Pine window (I *think* this
was the previous behavior). So, after focusing the Pine window, the
icon went away. This to me made sense - the icon was a signal that you
had "unseen" mail (not just unread) waiting in your inbox.

However, with v4.03, the pine tree icon seems to be *always* displayed,
even if I don't have any new mail at all in my inbox. Has the meaning
of the taskbar notification area icon changed? I hate to sound like a
demanding, ungrateful user, but I liked the previous behavior better. :)

Again, thanks, and keep up the excellent work!

---Jason Tiller
[email protected]

P.S. - Was there not also an experimental feature in v3.94+ called
"enable-background-sending"? I'm very interested in that feature - I'm
working through a firewall, and outbound SMTP connections seem bogged
terribly. Background sending would save me a lot of time...

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I downloaded PC-Pine 4.03 and I'm trying to get it to look at the my
folders on my unix server, via IMAP4 (Univ. Washington). I can get the
inbox to come up right with {server.name.com}INBOX and that works.

But, when I try to tell it that my default-fcc folder is
{server.name.com}mail/sent-mail it works correctly in adding my sent
messages to that folder, but I never see that folder show up in my Folder
List. So, I decided to add it in the folder list and then path to that
location, but that said it couldn't create it.

Any tips?

-=-=-=-=-=-
Chris Wood Kitco, Inc.
801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc.
[[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
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Candy,

Depending on the system you're running on, spaces in file names may be
a problem. Try opening the folder with the name entered as "vac/leave\ time"
- the backslash will allow the embedded space.

Good luck.
Joe:D

On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Candy Cyr - Br 4e Clerical wrote:

> i received a message from someone else in my company and decided to
> save
> it. i saved it as vac/leave time. this name would not take, and it is now
> called vac/. however, i can not open or delete this folder. when i try to
> open it i get "select failed: mail/vac/
> (file/home/04e/04eclcac/mail/vac/)" what do i need to do to get rid of
> this message?
>
> Thank You, Candy Cyr
> Br 4E - Lafayette
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Hi, Chris, :)

On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Chris Wood wrote:

> But, when I try to tell it that my default-fcc folder is
> {server.name.com}mail/sent-mail it works correctly in adding my sent
> messages to that folder, but I never see that folder show up in my Folder
> List. So, I decided to add it in the folder list and then path to that
> location, but that said it couldn't create it.

I believe you should set your folder to be:

{server.name.com}~/mail/sent-mail

Notice the "tilda;" I believe that's used to specify *your* login
directory. I think that {server}INBOX is a special form of the above
and only works with INBOX.

Lots of "I believe" and "I think"'s in there... hopefully somebody will
point out any errors.

---Jason
[email protected]

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At 14:01 3/09/98 -0600, Chris Wood wrote:
>I downloaded PC-Pine 4.03 and I'm trying to get it to look at the my
>folders on my unix server, via IMAP4 (Univ. Washington). I can get the
>inbox to come up right with {server.name.com}INBOX and that works.
>But, when I try to tell it that my default-fcc folder is
>{server.name.com}mail/sent-mail it works correctly in adding my sent
>messages to that folder, but I never see that folder show up in my Folder
>List. So, I decided to add it in the folder list and then path to that
>location, but that said it couldn't create it.

I had the same problem. To solve it the 'official way' in the PC client,
you must add in 'setup/collection list' a folder that points to your mail
folder on the server (so fill in server, path is mail for example and set
view to *). Then you will see a new collection list on your folderlist with
the nickname you chose.
I hope this helps.
Greetings,
Rudy

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This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
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I wanted to sent a bug report with a long pine-debug file. Therefore I
packed it with gzip to pine-debug1.gz. After typing the filename <CR> as
attachment pine crashes with core-dump.

Now I send: The pine-debug file and the .mime.types of the crashed run as
plain file in attachment.

(The real bug report follows as another mail.)

R. Kompf

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[Sorry, if this is not the right forum for reporting this problem.]

If I try to call the alternate editor (^_) in the message composing
screen I get the the following error message (on a Windows NT WS 4.0
SP3) and the program hangs:

Application Error
The instruction at "0x004e8cd5" referenced memory at "0x00000000". The
memory could not be "read".

The earlier version (PC-Pine 3.96) worked correctly.

After deleting content of the 'editor' entry in the configuration, the
alternate editor works properly.

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We have SunOS 4.1.4. Some people use Pine, some people use
Sun's mailtool.

Can anyone tell me why someone would have a problem when
switching *from* Pine 4.03 *to* mailtool would lose all
of their mail?

Should I report this as a bug?

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jenny Chang <[email protected]>
To: Steven Feinholz <[email protected]>
Subject: pine & mailtool

Steven,

I just switched to the newest version of pine,
then I have problems to back to mailtool --
all the mails I captured from pine were lost in mailtool.
I didn't have such problems with the old version.
Before I used to use pine when logon from home,
and use mailtool when working at office. Any advice?
Thank you.

-- Jenny

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Hi all,

Since many of you invested time into this problem (thank you!), I thought
you'd all be interested in the solution.

Just as a recap, we installed wu-ftp on our DEC unix box to shut down some
security holes. We had to do this because our hands are tied by a
third-party vendor whose software will cease to work with shadowed
passwords. We configured the ftp software to restrict access to a users
home directory.

We found that it caused errors with attaching documents in Pine and tracked
it down to the line in the pine.conf.fixed file that restricted users to a
specific directory (operating-dir=~). The behavior that the tilde caused
was for Pine to be unable to read the attachment from
/usr/users/students/username/./ Ironically, pilot, the browser part of
Pine, had no trouble with this arrangement.

Our solution came from one of our professors (whose help is priceless!).
What we ended up doing was setting an environment variable in our shell
that did this:

cd ~
setenv HOME2 $cwd

Then, we modified the operating-dir= in the pine.conf.fixed to be $HOME2.
This printed the home directory as /usr/users/students/username (stripped
of the /./ listed in the passwd file, as required by the restricted ftp).

Wa-la! Ftp access is restricted, attachments in Pine are restricted, and
everyone is happy. Now, if we could only get students to log off properly
(and in a timely manner) ...

Thanks for all your help!

Sheryl

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Hi, All, :)

Thanks to Chris Szurgot <[email protected]> for pointing out to me the
new behavior of the pine notification icon. Naturally I noticed this
behavior myself a few seconds after sending my request. ;/ Still, The
new way seems logical, especially if you have *lots* and *lots* of icons
in your taskbar or if you're running lots of apps simultaneously (not
me, but hey, still cool).

However, I haven't heard any feedback yet concerning my P.S.:

On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Jason Tiller wrote:

> P.S. - Was there not also an experimental feature in v3.94+ called
> "enable-background-sending"? I'm very interested in that feature - I'm
> working through a firewall, and outbound SMTP connections seem bogged
> terribly. Background sending would save me a lot of time...

Any news on this, Pine Developers? :D

---Jason
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I noticed in the Release Notes for 4.03 the following:

* URL Viewers variable: explicit URL quoting is no longer needed

I built 4.03 (for Linux) and am now trying to regain the automatic URL
launching capability I once had. :(

Here is what I used to have for url-viewers:

url-viewers=_TEST("test -n '${DISPLAY}'")_ "/usr/local/netscape/netscape
-remote 'openURL(_URL_)'"

Everything worked great. So, for 4.03, since explicit URL quoting isn't
required, I tried a few different variations, with no success. So, how do
we now pass Netscape the _URL_ value? Here is the syntax for -remote
openURL:

openURL ( )
Prompts for a URL with a dialog box.
openURL (URL)
Opens the specified document without prompting.
openURL (URL, new-window)
Create a new window displaying the the specified document.

- brett

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On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Brett Eldridge wrote:

> I noticed in the Release Notes for 4.03 the following:
>
> * URL Viewers variable: explicit URL quoting is no longer needed
>
> I built 4.03 (for Linux) and am now trying to regain the automatic URL
> launching capability I once had. :(
>
> Here is what I used to have for url-viewers:
>
> url-viewers=_TEST("test -n '${DISPLAY}'")_ "/usr/local/netscape/netscape
> -remote 'openURL(_URL_)'"
>
> Everything worked great. So, for 4.03, since explicit URL quoting isn't
> required, I tried a few different variations, with no success. So, how do
> we now pass Netscape the _URL_ value? Here is the syntax for -remote
> openURL:
>
> openURL ( )
> Prompts for a URL with a dialog box.
> openURL (URL)
> Opens the specified document without prompting.
> openURL (URL, new-window)
> Create a new window displaying the the specified document.
>
>
> - brett
The following still works for me with 4.03 (Solaris 2.6 build gs5)
url-viewers=_TEST("test -n'${DISPLAY}'")_"\
/usr/local/pkg/netscape-4.06/bin/netscape\
-remote 'openURL(_URL_,new-window)'",
/usr/local/bin/lynx

Which looks a lot like what you have. I have on the other hand had
problems with changing the url-viewers config and having it work within
the same Pine session.
-Mike

--
Michael Cope: Harvey Mudd College '00; Armand Hammer UWC '96
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On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Michael Thomas Cope wrote:

> The following still works for me with 4.03 (Solaris 2.6 build gs5)
> url-viewers=_TEST("test -n'${DISPLAY}'")_"\
> /usr/local/pkg/netscape-4.06/bin/netscape\
> -remote 'openURL(_URL_,new-window)'",
> /usr/local/bin/lynx
>
> Which looks a lot like what you have. I have on the other hand had
> problems with changing the url-viewers config and having it work within
> the same Pine session.

Hmmm...I'm geting closer to understanding. When I go to launch the URL,
pine presents me with the following message:

View selected URL "http://www.news.com/Dispatch/Advertis..."?

If I say yes, it actually sends the entire URL including the " " to
Netscape. I get the error from Netscape (also v 4.06):

Netscape is unable to locate the server:
"http:
The server does not have a DNS entry.

In the URL window, sure enough, is the URL with quotes:

"http://www.news.com/Dispatch/Advertising/amex.html?dd.cn.amex"

- brett

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Has anyone had to hack the source code in 4.03 to get it to compile under
linux (like you had to with 4.00-.02)???

I have a patch for it if anyone needs it.

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I'm getting the same behaviour. My setting for url-viewers (including ") is:

"/usr/local/bin/netscape -noraise -remote 'openURL ( _URL_ , new-window)'"

This worked fine in 4.01 (hpux 10, prebuilt binary), but in 4.03 netscape
responds with 'No such host "http' (I added the single quotes).

It looks like pine is quoting the already quoted URL from the HTML? Pine
should only add quotes if the potential URL isn't already quoted, it seems.

Sometimes unquoted references are being loaded as httpwww... some how
the :// is getting stripped off. Other times they seem to work fine.

Regards,
Jeff

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Brett Eldridge wrote:

> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:43:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brett Eldridge <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Pine 4.03 URL quoting problem
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Michael Thomas Cope wrote:
>
> > The following still works for me with 4.03 (Solaris 2.6 build gs5)
> > url-viewers=_TEST("test -n'${DISPLAY}'")_"\
> > /usr/local/pkg/netscape-4.06/bin/netscape\
> > -remote 'openURL(_URL_,new-window)'",
> > /usr/local/bin/lynx
> >
> > Which looks a lot like what you have. I have on the other hand had
> > problems with changing the url-viewers config and having it work within
> > the same Pine session.
>
> Hmmm...I'm geting closer to understanding. When I go to launch the URL,
> pine presents me with the following message:
>
> View selected URL "http://www.news.com/Dispatch/Advertis..."?
>
> If I say yes, it actually sends the entire URL including the " " to
> Netscape. I get the error from Netscape (also v 4.06):
>
> Netscape is unable to locate the server:
> "http:
> The server does not have a DNS entry.
>
> In the URL window, sure enough, is the URL with quotes:
>
> "http://www.news.com/Dispatch/Advertising/amex.html?dd.cn.amex"
>
>
>
> - brett
>

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Yea Steve, while I won't rant & rave about it, I mostly agree. HTML ain't
good email. But, this was more a question about how Pine works than about
email etiquette.

As far as sending a link, there isn't a WWW link to send. It is possible to
read this file with an external browser, but then you need either an X-server,
or lynx, neither of which are available.

Anyway, I figure the tool is designed to read HTML, and send HTML, seems
it should be able to read the HTML it sends.

Anyone else know how to send HTML with Pine so that the MIME header for the
attachment reads: "Content-Disposition:inline", or how to get Pine to read
text/html attachments when the header reads "Content-Disposition: attachment"?

Regards,
Jeff

On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Steve Ekwall wrote:

> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:03:34 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Steve Ekwall <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: How to send HTML so pine reads it inline.
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> As it should be! (sigh/grin:) TWO DIFFERENT CRITTERS (like a
> removable floppy vs a Hard Drive vs a CDROM = data yes, rwxALL=NO!).
> </grip mode ON>THANKS
> Oh, Please please dont' try to M_A_K_E pine be forced to read HTML.
> HTML doesn't even BELONG in e-mail at all! It has its domain, it has its
> FUNCTION, but that is like asking, I want to send e-mail with ALL of my

-- SNIP --

> get through. If you're just trying to show him a *cool* url, point him to
> it in ascii or add a few keystrokes in your
> a href="[email protected]#" <----- Thats all and FAST F_A_S_T!
> :)
>
> Hope this helps, I know , N_O_T Quit your question, BUT, html doesn't
> belong in e-mail. It belongs in URL's & home pages, & books on HTMLD.
>
> -=se=-
> steve (plus it's really a bear to read for others:) ekwall
> [email protected]
>
> -----------snip--------------
>
> On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Jeff Goswick wrote:
>
>
> I've been trying to send an email with an HTML attachment so that another
> pine user can read it inline. I'd like to send it as an attachment, not in
> the body of the message.
>
> Pine attaches and sends it fine, but when I CC: myself and read it in Pine,
> the HTML file can only be read via an external viewer -> the pine viewer
> won't show it.
>
> If I save the message to a folder, then change the attachment's MIME HEADER
> from:
>
> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="temp.html"
>
> to:
>
> Content-Disposition: inline; filename="temp.html"
>
> then pine shows the attachment inline, as I'd like.
>
> Is there anyway to configure pine to do this at send time? (ie. to attach
> HTML files, or text files in general, as inline attachments so that pine
> will display them in the normal message display)?
>
> How did the Pine developers expect pine users to send HTML so that it is
> viewable by Pine, attachements or in the message body?
>
> Thanks, Jeff

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> Hi, I'm new to this list, and I was wondering if anyone knew how I could
> add a "signature" on the bottom of every e-mail I send? Thanks!

Go to the main menu. S(etup), S(ignature)

Ed

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I am compiling Pine 4.03 under FreeBSD 2.2.6 and am getting the following
error when I attempt to compile with -DDEBUG commented out in
pine/makefile.bsf:

cc -O2 -DBSDI -DSYSTYPE=\"BSF\" -DMOUSE -o pine addrbook.o
adrbkcmd.o adrbklib.o args.o bldaddr.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o
helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o
mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o
status.o strings.o takeaddr.o os.o date.c ../pico/libpico.a
./c-client/c-client.a -ltermlib `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS`
bldaddr.o: Undefined symbol `_init_debug' referenced from text segment
*** Error code 1

Stop.

This happens right at the very end of compilation and is the only error,
but it prevents the pine executable from being compiled. The error does
not occur if I compile with -DDEBUG, but who wants a 4 MB executable...

Suggestions?

- Mike

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Hi,

I am looking for a secure IMAP solution using PINE. There are working
solutions with middleware applications like edssl, but I was wodering
wheather someone has been looking into the problem adding support for
SSLeay and to be able to use PINE (especially PC PINE) over a secure IMAP
channel with SSL or TLS.

Any pointers would be welcomed. If there is enough interest and nobody
knows about any similar development, we would be willing to take the task
and to return the results back to the PINE community.

Thank you in advance,

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Hi,

I was trying to compile PC Pine 4.03 myself using Visual C++ 5.0 (under
Windows 95). The c-client library builds OK (after fiddling with the .BAT
files making driver_link calls which are Windows NT specific), but there
do not seem to be the files required for Win32 build of PINE a PICO.

Is there any separate source distribution for this platform or are there
any restrictions as to the availability of the 4.xx sources for the Win32
platform?

I was able to build the 3.96 for Win32 without major problems.

Thanks,

--
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I heard rumor that with PC-Pine 4.03 and UW Imap that you could have Imap
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On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Chris Wood wrote:

>
> I heard rumor that with PC-Pine 4.03 and UW Imap that you could have Imap
> serve the global addressbook. I dug around through the website and
> message archives but couldn't see anything. Was this a rumor or a dream I
> once had?
Maybe what you heard about was LDAP:
for which you need
a: an LDAP server with mail: fields
b: umich LDAP source http://www.umich.edu/~dirsvcs or
(haven't tried) patched and extended umich LDAP source
http://www.openldap.org or
(haven't tried) Netscape Directory server LDAP SDK
c: some configuration in global pine.conf
-Mike
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pine 4.03, solaris 2.5.1, gcc 2.8.1.

typing ^L to the folder prompt of the G command causes a core dump. from
poking around with gdb, i can see the km_state.km is NULL, but i haven't
figured the flow out yet to know more than that. stack trace below.

also, the expunge-without-confirm isn't working for INBOX like it says it
should. a quick glance at the logic in mailcmd.c (lines 5021-5025) i
wonder why context_isambig is being called. should it be
!context_isambig?

here's the stack trace for the core dump:
#0 0xef5f4974 in kill ()
#1 0xef5ba6ec in abort ()
#2 0x185878 in coredump () at os.c:875
#3 0x13fc10 in panic (message=0x282f50 "Received abort signal") at pine.c:2937
#4 0x167870 in auger_in_signal () at signals.c:220
#5 <signal handler called>
#6 0x14a390 in format_keymenu (km=0x0, bm=0x2f1384 "", width=80)
at screen.c:504
#7 0x14b314 in draw_keymenu (km=0x0, bitmap=0x2f1384 "", width=80, row=0,
column=0, what=SameMenu) at screen.c:757
#8 0x14b674 in redraw_keymenu () at screen.c:800
#9 0x18ce0c in optionally_enter (string=0x2f06d0 "", y_base=-1, x_base=0,
field_len=1023, prompt=0xefffdbe8 "GOTO folder in <Mail> : ",
escape_list=0xefffdb58, help=0x0, flags=0xefffdb4c) at os.c:3897
#10 0xe454c in broach_folder (qline=-1, allow_list=1, context=0xefffe93c)
at mailcmd.c:4235
#11 0xd69fc in process_cmd (state=0x2f9db8, stream=0x3028b8, msgmap=0x2fa6a0,
command=707, in_index=1, force_mailchk=0xefffebe8) at mailcmd.c:405
#12 0xf2360 in index_lister (state=0x2f9db8, cntxt=0x3021b0,
folder=0x2f9e3d "INBOX", stream=0x3028b8, msgmap=0x2fa6a0)
at mailindx.c:981
#13 0xf0af8 in mail_index_screen (state=0x2f9db8) at mailindx.c:466
#14 0x13970c in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffff1ec) at pine.c:881

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On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Joe Pruett wrote:

> pine 4.03, solaris 2.5.1, gcc 2.8.1.
>
> typing ^L to the folder prompt of the G command causes a core dump. from
> poking around with gdb, i can see the km_state.km is NULL, but i haven't
> figured the flow out yet to know more than that. stack trace below.
I couldn't replicate this in pine 4.03, solaris 2.6 (lastest patches), gcc
2.8.1
Can you be more specific. Does it happen in all menus where G can
be pressed?
-Mike
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i didn't try a vanilla config. it only happens when disable-keymenu is
turned on.

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On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Joe Pruett wrote:

> i didn't try a vanilla config. it only happens when disable-keymenu is
> turned on.
>
Ah...yes it exhibits the behavior you were describing
G ^L abort
on Pine 4.03, Solaris 2.6, gcc 2.8.1
-Mike
<excerpt from .pine-debug1 (debug level 9)>

---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----
Want_to read: < (60)
Want_to read: RETURN (13)

---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----
*** Debug level set to 9 ***
q_status_message(Debug level set to 9)
new mail called (0 2 3)
output_message(Debug level set to 9)
STATUS cmd:57, max:1, min0
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)
Read char returning: 13 RETURN
Read command returning: 13 RETURN
New_mail_count zeroed
=== folder_screen called ====
new mail called (0 2 3)
set_titlebar - style: 1 current message cnt:1 current_pl: 0 total_pl: 0
comatose(427) returns:"427"
STATUS: diff:-1, displayed: 905302514, now: 905302515
d_q_status_message(Debug level set to 9)
Clearing status line
STATUS cmd:120, max:-1, min-1
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)
Read char returning: 103 g
Read command returning: 103 g
New_mail_count zeroed
=== optionally_enter called ===
string:"" y:0 x:-1 length: 1024 append: 1
passwd:0 prompt:"GOTO folder in <Mail> : " label:""
suspend_busy_alarm
Read char returning: 12 ^L
comatose(427) returns:"427"
end_signals(1)
auger_in_signal()
end_screen called
about to end_tty_driver
end_signals(1)
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Hi There,

I am working for Hughes Software Systems Ltd. , INDIA

I am facing the following problem in pine.
While working on pine for 20-30 minutes I start getting
error messages mentioned below.

First message says -
------------------

[Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): NE (MDS-CDR)

After a few minutes of this the second message comes as below-
-------------------------------------------------------------

[MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]

UNIX SETUP (HP-UX and SUN SOLARIS)
-----------

The mail directory is mounted from the MAIL server on to all
other UNIX servers. From this directory pine is accessing the
mails (INBOX) .

I have already tried the following:-
----------------------------------
1. I have tried reconfiguring PINE .
2. I have removed the .pinerc and created a new one.
3. Tried accessing pine from different servers.
4. The new configuration that I have saved is equivalent to
that of a user who has no problem with pine.
5. I have tried creating a new INBOX

None of the above has been able to sort the problem out.

No other user is facing this problem (I have tried on servers from
which they are accessing pine but to no avail)

Please send me a solution for the above problems .
I shall be awaiting for your response.

Regards,

Sanjay Gogia
MIS

===================================================================

ERROR DUMP IS SHOWN BELOW
==========================

THIS MESSAGE CAME FIRST - UNEXPECTED CHANGES TO MAILBOX
(EXACT ERROR DUMP PASTED BELOW)
------------------------------------------------------

+ N 18 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (766) Meeting
+ N 19 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (770) ISO tree reg num for GDMO

[Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): NE (MDS-CDR).

=======================================================================
AFTER A FEW MINUTES I GOT THE BELOW MENTIONED ERROR MESSAGE
- [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]

+ N 18 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (766) Meeting
+ N 19 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (770) ISO tree reg num for GDMO
[MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]

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It sounds like another process is accessing your mailbox.

Do you run "xbiff" or any background process to check for newmail or report
on the status of your mailbox? Do you have a POP or IMAP UA running on some
other machine? Is there a zombie pine process running on one of the
machines under your uid?

BTW, you are running a really old version of pine! Pine is now at 4.03. An
upgrade is strongly advised.

Regards,
Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sanjay_Gogia
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 9:01 PM
> To: Pine Discussion Forum
> Subject: Problem being faced while using PINE - Urgent
>
>
>
> Hi There,
>
> I am working for Hughes Software Systems Ltd. , INDIA
>
> I am facing the following problem in pine.
> While working on pine for 20-30 minutes I start getting
> error messages mentioned below.
>
>
> First message says -
> ------------------
>
> [Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): NE (MDS-CDR)
>
>
> After a few minutes of this the second message comes as below-
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]
>
>
>
> UNIX SETUP (HP-UX and SUN SOLARIS)
> -----------
>
> The mail directory is mounted from the MAIL server on to all
> other UNIX servers. From this directory pine is accessing the
> mails (INBOX) .
>
>
> I have already tried the following:-
> ----------------------------------
> 1. I have tried reconfiguring PINE .
> 2. I have removed the .pinerc and created a new one.
> 3. Tried accessing pine from different servers.
> 4. The new configuration that I have saved is equivalent to
> that of a user who has no problem with pine.
> 5. I have tried creating a new INBOX
>
>
> None of the above has been able to sort the problem out.
>
> No other user is facing this problem (I have tried on servers from
> which they are accessing pine but to no avail)
>
>
> Please send me a solution for the above problems .
> I shall be awaiting for your response.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sanjay Gogia
> MIS
>
> ===================================================================
>
> ERROR DUMP IS SHOWN BELOW
> ==========================
>
> THIS MESSAGE CAME FIRST - UNEXPECTED CHANGES TO MAILBOX
> (EXACT ERROR DUMP PASTED BELOW)
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> + N 18 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (766) Meeting
>
> + N 19 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (770) ISO tree reg num for
> GDMO
>
> [Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): NE (MDS-CDR).
>
> =======================================================================
> AFTER A FEW MINUTES I GOT THE BELOW MENTIONED ERROR MESSAGE
> - [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]
>
>
> + N 18 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (766) Meeting
>
> + N 19 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (770) ISO tree reg num for
> GDMO
> [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Hi,

Thanks for the prompt reply.

I have checked up on all servers , but no other session is active.
We are not running xbiff for checking up the newmail. From the
info that I have been able to gather pine is keeping a tab on
the inbox modification time and informing of new mails.
The POP server is on the mail server itself , and I am not using
POP for accessing mails. Additionally no zombie process is also
not assigned to my UID. BTW the systems on which I access PINE
have been rebooted.
(The mail directory in the servers is /usr/mail which is NFS
mounted from the mail server)

Thanks for the advice for upgrading PINE. But till the time we are
unable to implement it , I would request you if you could give me
a solution to the problem that I am presently facing.

Regards,

Sanjay Gogia
MIS

On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Ed Greshko wrote:

> It sounds like another process is accessing your mailbox.
>
> Do you run "xbiff" or any background process to check for newmail or report
> on the status of your mailbox? Do you have a POP or IMAP UA running on some
> other machine? Is there a zombie pine process running on one of the
> machines under your uid?
>
> BTW, you are running a really old version of pine! Pine is now at 4.03. An
> upgrade is strongly advised.
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sanjay_Gogia
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 9:01 PM
> > To: Pine Discussion Forum
> > Subject: Problem being faced while using PINE - Urgent
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi There,
> >
> > I am working for Hughes Software Systems Ltd. , INDIA
> >
> > I am facing the following problem in pine.
> > While working on pine for 20-30 minutes I start getting
> > error messages mentioned below.
> >
> >
> > First message says -
> > ------------------
> >
> > [Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): NE (MDS-CDR)
> >
> >
> > After a few minutes of this the second message comes as below-
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]
> >
> >
> >
> > UNIX SETUP (HP-UX and SUN SOLARIS)
> > -----------
> >
> > The mail directory is mounted from the MAIL server on to all
> > other UNIX servers. From this directory pine is accessing the
> > mails (INBOX) .
> >
> >
> > I have already tried the following:-
> > ----------------------------------
> > 1. I have tried reconfiguring PINE .
> > 2. I have removed the .pinerc and created a new one.
> > 3. Tried accessing pine from different servers.
> > 4. The new configuration that I have saved is equivalent to
> > that of a user who has no problem with pine.
> > 5. I have tried creating a new INBOX
> >
> >
> > None of the above has been able to sort the problem out.
> >
> > No other user is facing this problem (I have tried on servers from
> > which they are accessing pine but to no avail)
> >
> >
> > Please send me a solution for the above problems .
> > I shall be awaiting for your response.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sanjay Gogia
> > MIS
> >
> > ===================================================================
> >
> > ERROR DUMP IS SHOWN BELOW
> > ==========================
> >
> > THIS MESSAGE CAME FIRST - UNEXPECTED CHANGES TO MAILBOX
> > (EXACT ERROR DUMP PASTED BELOW)
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > + N 18 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (766) Meeting
> >
> > + N 19 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (770) ISO tree reg num for
> > GDMO
> >
> > [Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): NE (MDS-CDR).
> >
> > =======================================================================
> > AFTER A FEW MINUTES I GOT THE BELOW MENTIONED ERROR MESSAGE
> > - [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]
> >
> >
> > + N 18 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (766) Meeting
> >
> > + N 19 Sep 9 Anuj_Mathur (770) ISO tree reg num for
> > GDMO
> > [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
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> >
>

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> Thanks for the prompt reply.

No good movies on in Taiwan tonight. My wife is working. And my cat
is.....well a cat.

> I have checked up on all servers , but no other session is active.
> We are not running xbiff for checking up the newmail. From the
> info that I have been able to gather pine is keeping a tab on
> the inbox modification time and informing of new mails.
> The POP server is on the mail server itself , and I am not using
> POP for accessing mails. Additionally no zombie process is also
> not assigned to my UID. BTW the systems on which I access PINE
> have been rebooted.
> (The mail directory in the servers is /usr/mail which is NFS
> mounted from the mail server)
>
> Thanks for the advice for upgrading PINE. But till the time we are
> unable to implement it , I would request you if you could give me
> a solution to the problem that I am presently facing.

I will *attempt* to help you. I don't have any pre-packaged solutions on my
desk here at home.

Do you get more emails than your co-workers? When did this start happening?
How many others are using pine?

I have a suspicion that you are the victim of "NFS locking" problems. i.e.
There are known problems with applications needing/wanting to lock files
which are NFS mounted. (I'd have to dig through my archives to give a more
accurate discription.)

Would it be possible for you to test this theory by running pine on the
machine which actually holds the inbox? Or, if the machine holding the
inbox is running an IMAP server can you access your mail via IMAP?

Regards,
Ed

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When I'm replying to a news message with Subject MIME-encoded like this
(for example):

Subject: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wr=F3ci=B3em!?=

the Subject line initially looks OK (Subject: Wr�ci�em!). But then I
press, ^X, Yes, "Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really
post?" - No!

- and then Subject gets mangled, displaying in the above escaped form on
the screen.

* * *

Another thing: It would be very nice to be able to view all headers
(shown with `h') in MIME-unescaped form. Some people put extended
characters there, e.g. in Organization field. Maybe there could be an
option if one wants the header shown with h in raw format (as now)
or unescaped.

* * *

One more thing: It would be nice to be able to specify that I want to
view e.g. all header fields beginning with X- except X-Newsreader. Now
it is only possible to specify literal names in viewer-hdrs. Maybe some
sort of regexps? Or a more general way: allow passing the header fields
through user-specified filter (not only the body, as it it now).

But first the bug in filtering should be fixed, about which I've told some
time ago: When filtering a long message through a display-filter, the text
between each 4096th character and the nearest previous beginning of the
line gets lost. This is because (at least on Linux's glibc) turning on
non-blocking input on a pipe can't be reliably used together with buffered
IO - and this is the case in Pine :-( I can see two solutions: either
pull data from the filter with read(), or fork() once more and feed the
filter and get its output in separate processes, without turning on
non-blocking reads. Display-filters are quite important foo me and now I
can't use them...

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i get the mailbox vulnerable mesage even though i've set my mail directory
to 1777 as instructed. what am i doing wrong? it occurs every time i
access my INBOX

i'm using pcpine 4.03

aaron

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On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> i get the mailbox vulnerable mesage even though i've set my mail directory
> to 1777 as instructed. what am i doing wrong? it occurs every time i
> access my INBOX
>
> i'm using pcpine 4.03

And I'm getting it even though I've set quell-lock-failure-warnings. Also
with PCPine 4.03.

c
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i think the logon screen after starting the screen should be logged into,
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On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> i think the logon screen after starting the screen should be logged into,
> or else the program closes, so that users cannot view saved messages.
Can you be more specific?
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Hi Edward,

I have tried on the mail server also. But the problem is still
the same. Pine crashes with the same messages I had reported.

Additionally it doesn't appear to be related to NFS locks , as
no stale NFS filehandle is existing - neither for this user nor
for the nfs mounted mail directory.

The number of mails recd. is just 7-8 per day , which is much less
than what other users receive.

Regards,

Sanjay Gogia
MIS

On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Ed Greshko wrote:

>
> > Thanks for the prompt reply.
>
> No good movies on in Taiwan tonight. My wife is working. And my cat
> is.....well a cat.
>
> > I have checked up on all servers , but no other session is active.
> > We are not running xbiff for checking up the newmail. From the
> > info that I have been able to gather pine is keeping a tab on
> > the inbox modification time and informing of new mails.
> > The POP server is on the mail server itself , and I am not using
> > POP for accessing mails. Additionally no zombie process is also
> > not assigned to my UID. BTW the systems on which I access PINE
> > have been rebooted.
> > (The mail directory in the servers is /usr/mail which is NFS
> > mounted from the mail server)
> >
> > Thanks for the advice for upgrading PINE. But till the time we are
> > unable to implement it , I would request you if you could give me
> > a solution to the problem that I am presently facing.
>
> I will *attempt* to help you. I don't have any pre-packaged solutions on my
> desk here at home.
>
> Do you get more emails than your co-workers? When did this start happening?
> How many others are using pine?
>
> I have a suspicion that you are the victim of "NFS locking" problems. i.e.
> There are known problems with applications needing/wanting to lock files
> which are NFS mounted. (I'd have to dig through my archives to give a more
> accurate discription.)
>
> Would it be possible for you to test this theory by running pine on the
> machine which actually holds the inbox? Or, if the machine holding the
> inbox is running an IMAP server can you access your mail via IMAP?
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>

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Hi everybody,

I just installed Pine 4.03 and I cannot see my IMAP folders
anymore. We are running the Cyrus IMAP Server 1.5.2
It is working fine with Pine 3.96, so I don't think it's what I wrote
in "folder-collection" (and I didn't see any change about the format
in the technical notes).

did anybody had the same problem?
and how did you solved it?

Thanks a lot in advance.
Yannick
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i've had the same problem too! i thought it was my fault too, but i'm
glad i'm not the only one

aaron

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Yannick Bilodeau wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> I just installed Pine 4.03 and I cannot see my IMAP folders
> anymore. We are running the Cyrus IMAP Server 1.5.2
> It is working fine with Pine 3.96, so I don't think it's what I wrote
> in "folder-collection" (and I didn't see any change about the format
> in the technical notes).
>
> did anybody had the same problem?
> and how did you solved it?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance.
> Yannick
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you're right sorry

i meant the logon screen when starting pine should be correctly logged
onto (i.e. given the correct username password combination) or else the
program closes, so that no one else can view saved messages.

clear enough
aaron

On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Michael Thomas Cope wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:
>
> > i think the logon screen after starting the screen should be logged into,
> > or else the program closes, so that users cannot view saved messages.
> Can you be more specific?
> --
> Michael Cope: Harvey Mudd College '00; Armand Hammer UWC '96
> E-mail: [email protected]
>
>
>
>
>

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On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> you're right sorry
>
> i meant the logon screen when starting pine should be correctly logged
> onto (i.e. given the correct username password combination) or else the
> program closes, so that no one else can view saved messages.
>
> clear enough
> aaron
I assume you are talking about PC-Pine because in Unix there is no
effective way to limit access to a user's mailbox from the user's shell
(the user could always just read the file with a different mailer or cat)
and a user should never leave a login session unlocked.
The same is also true of PC files in a standard Win95 setup,
any user can read any file. AFAIK the only reasonably secure way of
keeping files secret in a Windows environment is to use NT or store the
files on a separate computer (e.g. Netware). There may be a way to do
this in Windows95 as well but certainly it would involve separate logins
for each user using the system. Encrypting the mailbox between sessions
would be a reasonable solution and it would perhaps be nice if Pine
offered this as an option. It would also be nice if Pine offered support
for compressed mailboxes. Heck there's a lot of things that would be nice
to have in Pine, you have the source code...happy hacking.

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right, i'ms sorry about forgetting to tell you that it was pc-pine. but
i think it would make it quite as easy to get to peoples old mail.
encryption would be a very cool option too.

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Michael Thomas Cope wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:
>
> > you're right sorry
> >
> > i meant the logon screen when starting pine should be correctly logged
> > onto (i.e. given the correct username password combination) or else the
> > program closes, so that no one else can view saved messages.
> >
> > clear enough
> > aaron
> I assume you are talking about PC-Pine because in Unix there is no
> effective way to limit access to a user's mailbox from the user's shell
> (the user could always just read the file with a different mailer or cat)
> and a user should never leave a login session unlocked.
> The same is also true of PC files in a standard Win95 setup,
> any user can read any file. AFAIK the only reasonably secure way of
> keeping files secret in a Windows environment is to use NT or store the
> files on a separate computer (e.g. Netware). There may be a way to do
> this in Windows95 as well but certainly it would involve separate logins
> for each user using the system. Encrypting the mailbox between sessions
> would be a reasonable solution and it would perhaps be nice if Pine
> offered this as an option. It would also be nice if Pine offered support
> for compressed mailboxes. Heck there's a lot of things that would be nice
> to have in Pine, you have the source code...happy hacking.
>
> --
> Michael Cope: Harvey Mudd College '00; Armand Hammer UWC '96
> E-mail:[email protected]
>
>
>
>
>

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On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tibor Szep wrote:
> If I try to call the alternate editor (^_) in the message composing
> screen I get the the following error message (on a Windows NT WS 4.0
> SP3) and the program hangs:
>
> Application Error
> The instruction at "0x004e8cd5" referenced memory at "0x00000000". The
> memory could not be "read".

I'm getting the same failure. It occurs both on NT and on '95 (though
the format of the error message is different). Suspecting that
perhaps there was something bad in the pinerc or other files that I
was bringing in from 3.96, I tried installing 4.03 into a fresh
directory and running it as if pine had not run on that machine
before. It still crashes if I try to invoke an alternate editor. It
does not seem to matter what the alternate editor is (I want it to be
emacs as I have previously used with 3.96, but I also tried "notepad"
and pine still crashes the same way). Meanwhile, my neighbor is using
4.03 to invoke epsilon as the alternate editor, and it works fine. I
have not figured out what's different between his configuration and
mine.

Any clues would be much appreciated.
-- Steve

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Hi!

I am having a problem with my e-mail account here.One particular person is
sending me e-mails again and again.How can I block mails from this
particular address.Moreover can I automatically bounce it back to the
sender. Please help.
Thanks
Sanjay

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> I am having a problem with my e-mail account here.One particular person is
> sending me e-mails again and again.How can I block mails from this
> particular address.Moreover can I automatically bounce it back to the
> sender. Please help.

Don't automatically bounce mail back to the sender. Just because the sender
is obnoxious there is no reason you should follow.

The best thing is to get procmail (maybe your site already has it..) and
filter your incoming mail. For that mail you dislike you can save in
/dev/null.

Oh, as for the location of procmail......you can do a Web search as the
source location as escaped me at the moment.

Regards,
Ed

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Dear Ed,
Can I do it without procmail?This is because I am a student in an
undergraduate college and I do not have the superuser permissions to
download and install procmail.(It is not here).
Thanks for your reply.
Sanjay

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Ed Greshko wrote:

>
> > I am having a problem with my e-mail account here.One particular person is
> > sending me e-mails again and again.How can I block mails from this
> > particular address.Moreover can I automatically bounce it back to the
> > sender. Please help.
>
> Don't automatically bounce mail back to the sender. Just because the sender
> is obnoxious there is no reason you should follow.
>
> The best thing is to get procmail (maybe your site already has it..) and
> filter your incoming mail. For that mail you dislike you can save in
> /dev/null.
>
> Oh, as for the location of procmail......you can do a Web search as the
> source location as escaped me at the moment.
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>

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On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Oh, as for the location of procmail......you can do a Web search as the
> source location as escaped me at the moment.

This link contains useful information about procmail, including a link
to the FTP site:

http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/

S=F8ren

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On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, SANJAY AGRAWAL wrote:

> I am having a problem with my e-mail account here.One particular person is
> sending me e-mails again and again.How can I block mails from this
> particular address.Moreover can I automatically bounce it back to the
> sender. Please help.

If you have installed procmail, make a file called '.procmailrc'.

===============.procmailrc==============
:0
* ^[email protected]
/dev/null

or even

:0
* ^[email protected]
! [email protected]
===============.procmailrc==============

The first entry will move the mail to /dev/null, the second one will send
it back to the emailaddress that is given.
But read the 'procmailrc' man-page for more details...

Cya,
Daniele

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eh.....
You don't need root to install procmail

dl, compile, and put it in your own bin directory.

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[email protected]

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, SANJAY AGRAWAL wrote:

> Dear Ed,
> Can I do it without procmail?This is because I am a student in an
> undergraduate college and I do not have the superuser permissions to
> download and install procmail.(It is not here).
> Thanks for your reply.
> Sanjay
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> >
> > > I am having a problem with my e-mail account here.One particular person is
> > > sending me e-mails again and again.How can I block mails from this
> > > particular address.Moreover can I automatically bounce it back to the
> > > sender. Please help.
> >
> > Don't automatically bounce mail back to the sender. Just because the sender
> > is obnoxious there is no reason you should follow.
> >
> > The best thing is to get procmail (maybe your site already has it..) and
> > filter your incoming mail. For that mail you dislike you can save in
> > /dev/null.
> >
> > Oh, as for the location of procmail......you can do a Web search as the
> > source location as escaped me at the moment.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ed
> >
> >
>
> *******************************************************************************
>
> Sanjay Agrawal 247 Malviya Bhawan B.I.T.S. PILANI 333 031 INDIA
>
> [email protected] [email protected]
>
> *******************************************************************************
>

--
Ken Woods
kwoods<at>kens.com

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Upon upgrading to PC Pine 4.03 from PC Pine 3.96, I've discovered that
when forwarding a message that already had a correctly MIME encoded
attachment, the forwarded message is sent as a single MIME part of type
Text/Plain. This causes receiving mail readers (including Pine!) to not
recognize the attachment that was part of the original forwarded message.
Instead, any new text, and the forwarded message, including its
attachment(s), are all displayed as plain text, with much of the message
consisting of the MIME encoded text inline. This does not happen if I
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attachment that is already part of an existing message.

PC Pine 3.96 did not have this problem. Is there a configuration
parameter I'm misssing? Is this a known bug? Is it intentional for some
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Any help is appreciated, as forwarding messages with attachments occurs
quite frequently, and I'm this change in behavior is a significant
inconvenience.

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pine 4.03, solaris 2.5.1, gcc 2.8.1

i just used the pipe command to uudecode something (which it did do
correctly), but then pine dropped me into an empty help message screen.
that's a little odd, anyone else seen this? i'm going to go dive into the
sources now...

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that wasn't a help screen, but an output screen. and since uudecode
doesn't produce any output, it was blank. maybe no output should mean not
to drop into a viewing window?

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The Mining Co. is collecting votes for the best email client at

http://email.miningco.com/library/cc/blvote.htm

and Pine only has 0.3% of the votes so far. If you want to help spread
the word about the great and powerful Pine 4.03, how about casting
your vote? You can see the Pine comments that people have submitted
with their votes at:

http://email.miningco.com/library/cc/bluserpine.htm

Nancy

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Hi,

I'm trying to finish the FreeBSD port for Pine 4.03 but I'm stuck into
what it appears to be a bug in Pine when checking for new mail:
After I'm starting Pine (user root) I compose a message to myself
and then I hit "I" and down arrow to check for new mail; in that moment
Pine exits with:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
Pine Exiting.
Abort trap (core dumped)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Environment: FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE , Pine 4.03 built from the
FreeBSD port.
Please note that I tried to switch to 1777 mode for /var/mail and still
no luck; I thought it could be a user limits problem, but this is unlikely
with the root user...

I've attached the current port archive, one gdb output and two pine-debug
files (one with level 6 and the other with level 9 -- please note that
with debug level bigger than 6 Pine will simply segfault and won't exit
with the "Received abort signal" message).

Any hints on what's going on are welcomed!
Thanks,
Adrian Penisoara
Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)

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On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Adrian Penisoara wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to finish the FreeBSD port for Pine 4.03 but I'm stuck into
> what it appears to be a bug in Pine when checking for new mail:
> After I'm starting Pine (user root) I compose a message to myself
> and then I hit "I" and down arrow to check for new mail; in that moment

Why is a FreeBSD port needed? I run FreeBSD and I just used generic unix
and it compiled fine.

><>
Nathan Stratton Telecom & ISP Consulting
www.robotics.net [email protected]
--
"No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by
his great strength." - Psalm 33:16

> Any hints on what's going on are welcomed!
> Thanks,
> Adrian Penisoara
> Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)

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On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:

> The Mining Co. is collecting votes for the best email client at
>
> http://email.miningco.com/library/cc/blvote.htm
>
> http://email.miningco.com/library/cc/bluserpine.htm

> Nancy

Dear this-address-is-valid,

I don't know if you have actually used Pine, but Pine is not
Netscape Communicator, and Pine is not Pegasus Mail for Microsoft Windows
98. I can't tab to the above URLs in Pine and connect to those sites.

What you need to do is set up a return e-mail address which performs the
vote, using a custom delivery agent or majordomo.

Any "vote" called for by e-mail which must be cast in a Web browser is
ipso facto discredited.

Anyway, what are you trying to achieve? Why should I care what the Mining
Co., whatever that is, is doing?

As I assume you are collecting e-mail addresses for a spam, you will
need to read the list to see this.

--Mike

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Michael
> Talbot-Wilson
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 1998 8:54 AM
> To: Pine Discussion Forum
> Subject: Re: vote for pine

> I don't know if you have actually used Pine, but Pine is not
> Netscape Communicator, and Pine is not Pegasus Mail for Microsoft Windows
> 98. I can't tab to the above URLs in Pine and connect to those sites.

You can't? Maybe it is because you are using pine3.96? In pine 4.03 it
works fine for me on both a Solaris platform as well as the just released
Win32 version.

> What you need to do is set up a return e-mail address which performs the
> vote, using a custom delivery agent or majordomo.
>
> Any "vote" called for by e-mail which must be cast in a Web browser is
> ipso facto discredited.
>
> Anyway, what are you trying to achieve? Why should I care what the Mining
> Co., whatever that is, is doing?
>
> As I assume you are collecting e-mail addresses for a spam, you will
> need to read the list to see this.

Actually, if you go to the Main Menu of pine and then go to the Release
Notes and pop down to the "Credits" section you will notice Nancy's name.

So, she is trying to achieve recognition for pine.

But, I do agree with you. What do I care about Mining Co.? What good is
some survey where only a limited number of people...and certainly not a
cross section...will particpate? And, what good is a survey where you can
tell everyone on a list to go vote for pine? And, how valid are any of
these things on a site which tell you about "Proto" from CommTouch when
CommTouch has ceased all development on this SW and has moved to being a Web
hosting company.

Nancy's motives are not related to spamming.....but I do question why anyone
would want to announce such a unscientific and meaningless survey.

Regards,
Ed

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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Ed Greshko wrote:

> > I don't know if you have actually used Pine, but Pine is not
> > Netscape Communicator, and Pine is not Pegasus Mail for Microsoft Windows
> > 98. I can't tab to the above URLs in Pine and connect to those sites.
>
> You can't? Maybe it is because you are using pine3.96? In pine 4.03 it
> works fine for me on both a Solaris platform as well as the just released
> Win32 version.

Oops. Dumb of me. It seems only a couple of weeks since I downloaded and
installed the latest version, so I thought I was right up to date. (It
was 4.02A.) Now I realise that I'm using it on a new machine with a new
Linux installation (Slackware 3.5), and yes, you are right, I have
reverted to 3.96.

> >...
> > Anyway, what are you trying to achieve? Why should I care what the Mining
> > Co., whatever that is, is doing?
> >
> > As I assume you are collecting e-mail addresses for a spam, you will
> > need to read the list to see this.
>
> Actually, if you go to the Main Menu of pine and then go to the Release
> Notes and pop down to the "Credits" section you will notice Nancy's name.

Okay. Nancy, thanks and apologies. Incidentally, I don't seem to have a
Release Notes option in the Main Menu in the versions I have.

Regards,
Mike

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On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 05:19:26PM -0400, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> i get the mailbox vulnerable mesage even though i've set my mail directory
> to 1777 as instructed.

Mode 1777 is inherently vulnerable. It allows unscrupulous users to create
a mailbox in your name, if you use a client that removes your mailbox when
it empties it out, or if the unscrupulous user does it right after your
account has been set up. In either case, they'd then be able to set the
permissions on the mailbox such that it's world-readable.

A far more secure method is to have your mail directory be mode 0775, group
mail, and have your mail clients mode 2755, group mail. This prohibits
users from creating files in your mail directory without using their mail
client to do it. (Of course, if the mail client doesn't take care with what
it does, mail can still be abused. Probably the only *really* safe method
is delivery straight to users' home directories.)

--
Mason Loring [email protected]/mason
"In the drowsy dark cave of the mind dreams build their nest with fragments
dropped from day's caravan."--Rabindranath Tagore..awake ? sleep : dream;

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so how do i do this. i've set my mail directory to 0775, but how do i set
my mail client mode?

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mason Loring Bliss wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 05:19:26PM -0400, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:
>
> > i get the mailbox vulnerable mesage even though i've set my mail directory
> > to 1777 as instructed.
>
> Mode 1777 is inherently vulnerable. It allows unscrupulous users to create
> a mailbox in your name, if you use a client that removes your mailbox when
> it empties it out, or if the unscrupulous user does it right after your
> account has been set up. In either case, they'd then be able to set the
> permissions on the mailbox such that it's world-readable.
>
> A far more secure method is to have your mail directory be mode 0775, group
> mail, and have your mail clients mode 2755, group mail. This prohibits
> users from creating files in your mail directory without using their mail
> client to do it. (Of course, if the mail client doesn't take care with what
> it does, mail can still be abused. Probably the only *really* safe method
> is delivery straight to users' home directories.)
>
> --
> Mason Loring [email protected]/mason
> "In the drowsy dark cave of the mind dreams build their nest with fragments
> dropped from day's caravan."--Rabindranath Tagore..awake ? sleep : dream;
>

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Hi,

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Nathan Stratton wrote:
> > I'm trying to finish the FreeBSD port for Pine 4.03 but I'm stuck into
> > what it appears to be a bug in Pine when checking for new mail:
> > After I'm starting Pine (user root) I compose a message to myself
> > and then I hit "I" and down arrow to check for new mail; in that moment
>
> Why is a FreeBSD port needed? I run FreeBSD and I just used generic unix
> and it compiled fine.

Well, it might have compiled fine, it may even run fine, but not
everything in the "generic unix" port is optimised for the FreeBSD
platform...
The {Free/Open}BSD port collection assures that every package (covered in
the port collection) will be installed with suitable defaults and/or
options for the {Free/Open}BSD platform.
For example: while the Pine sources use "/usr/local/lib/" for system-wide
configuration files, FreeBSD (port) uses ${PREFIX}/etc/ for them (with
${PREFIX} beeing "/usr/local" by default); furthermore, the port assures
the correct install procedure for the "libpico.so.*" shared library
(previous versions of Pine) and the resulting executables in the suitable
directories. The patches provided with the port try to adapt thes sources
for the FreeBSD environment (enabling F_TERMCAP_WINS, managing
"/var/mail/..." locks, etc.).

And last, but not least, the port should make the life easier for the
average user -- it requires just an "make install" to do everything (from
fetching the sources 'till installing & registering the package
installation)...

>
> Nathan Stratton Telecom & ISP Consulting
> www.robotics.net [email protected]
> --
> "No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by
> his great strength." - Psalm 33:16
>

Hoping that I made myself clear,
Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)
[current maintainer for pine & imap-uw FreeBSD ports]

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Hi again,

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Adrian Penisoara wrote:

> After I'm starting Pine (user root) I compose a message to myself
> and then I hit "I" and down arrow to check for new mail; in that moment
> Pine exits with:
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> Pine Exiting.
> Abort trap (core dumped)
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>

I found what causes this: enabling the "quell-folder-internal-msg"
feature (F_QUELL_INTERNAL_MSG for the programmers) !!

Could someone please test this: enable "quell-folder-internal-msg", empty
your mailbox (must be zero-legth, run "echo -n >/var/mail/[USER]" to make
sure) then perform the above test ?

Thanks,
Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)

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I'm running Solaris 2.6 with pine 4.02 binary for Solaris 2.5 downloaded
from the pine ftp site. My apologies if this bug was fixed in 4.03. I'm
not sure if the earlier versions of pine did this.

When I run the pipe command, pine sources my .cshrc file. It must have to
create it's own shell, eh? The problem is that pine puts any output
(errors, etc.) from this source command in the viewing window. For me,
this causes pine to generate the following text (between but not including
the lines) which it places on the viewing window just before the piped
text.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Must be attached to terminal for 'am I' option

Must be attached to terminal for 'am I' option
My best guess at your address and display is :0.0
If this is wrong, X-server aliases will not work for you during this
session until you change $display using the set command. If a program gives
you an error, precede the program name with a '\' as in \pico or \pine
or \telnet.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

So I think the bug causes output of "source .cshrc" to be piped to the
viewing window ahead of the output from the requested pipe operation.
The same thing happens when I click on a URL to open a netscape window,
but the text only appears for a second while the netscape window opens,
then the e-mail message reappears without the extra text.

I can explain the causes of the lines of text shown above. First, I have
a line that tries to determine where I'm logged in from. It uses "who am
i". Apparently, that causes the "Must be attached to terminal" error
messages. The second bunch of text is caused by a series of echo
commands.

P.S. Offtrack: Is there a better way for my Solaris box to get the domain
name of a user than

who am i | awk '{print $6}' | tr -d '()'

It seems to work, but there has to be a better way! Isn't there a single
command for this?

Regards,

Mike

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This is VERY BAD ADVICE. The vulnerability you are concerned about with
mode 1777 goes away if you use mail tools that don't remove the INBOX
(thousands of sites use this strategy successfully) and the
vulnerabilities of running Pine as a privileged program are ENORMOUS... it
was never designed to be run with privileges.

-teg

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mason Loring Bliss wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 05:19:26PM -0400, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:
>
> > i get the mailbox vulnerable mesage even though i've set my mail directory
> > to 1777 as instructed.
>
> Mode 1777 is inherently vulnerable. It allows unscrupulous users to create
> a mailbox in your name, if you use a client that removes your mailbox when
> it empties it out, or if the unscrupulous user does it right after your
> account has been set up. In either case, they'd then be able to set the
> permissions on the mailbox such that it's world-readable.
>
> A far more secure method is to have your mail directory be mode 0775, group
> mail, and have your mail clients mode 2755, group mail. This prohibits
> users from creating files in your mail directory without using their mail
> client to do it. (Of course, if the mail client doesn't take care with what
> it does, mail can still be abused. Probably the only *really* safe method
> is delivery straight to users' home directories.)
>
> --
> Mason Loring [email protected]/mason
> "In the drowsy dark cave of the mind dreams build their nest with fragments
> dropped from day's caravan."--Rabindranath Tagore..awake ? sleep : dream;
>

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On Sat, Sep 12, 1998 at 08:24:01AM -0700, Terry Gray wrote:

> This is VERY BAD ADVICE. The vulnerability you are concerned about with
> mode 1777 goes away if you use mail tools that don't remove the INBOX
> (thousands of sites use this strategy successfully) and the
> vulnerabilities of running Pine as a privileged program are ENORMOUS... it
> was never designed to be run with privileges.

The worst case is that the user could use Pine to create a file in /var/mail.
Sticky bits alone on /var/mail are totally insufficient. Also, note that the
group "mail" will exist only to own /var/mail. It exists for no other reason,
and grants no privilige other than the ability to write to files in /var/mail.
At that, files are created with fairly minimal permissions, so Pine running
SGID mail can't access any files other than those it has created and those
already accessible under the user's standard permissions.

Running Pine as SUID root would be silly, but I don't see ENORMOUS problems
running it SGID mail. I see *no* problems with it, in fact, that aren't
already a subset of the ENORMOUS number of problems running with the sticky
bit set on /var/mail, mode 1777.

--
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I see that pine has an option to enable suspend. I generally like to have
suspend enabled (so I set it that way in .pinerc), but when I launch pine
in its own X window, accidentally hitting suspend (^Z) will cause a
problem that I don't know how to fix (I get hung in the xterm window and
fg doesn't work).

I also see that pine has a -z command line option that enables suspend. Is
there any type of command line argument that will *disable* suspend.
Here's the alias I'm using:

alias pine 'xterm -n Pine -T Pine -e pine \!* &'

Is there a better way??

TIA,

Mike

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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> I see that pine has an option to enable suspend. I generally like to have
> suspend enabled (so I set it that way in .pinerc), but when I launch pine
> in its own X window, accidentally hitting suspend (^Z) will cause a
> problem that I don't know how to fix (I get hung in the xterm window and
> fg doesn't work).

Two quick ideas:

1) alias pine to 'pine -z' in your shell, then start without
in your xterm

2) start pine with an alternate .pinerc that doesn't
have suspension enabled

Curiously, when vi is started in the same method, it won't allow
you to suspend it. I wonder if there is a difference in the environment
that would allow Pine to recognize that "now is a bad time to suspend."

To narrow it down more, if you start pine from a shell that doesn't
support job control, like sh, pine will still suspend itself, where
vi won't. This is geekily interesting; I'll have to look at it
some more ;)

- edan

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Note also that:

o you can turn features on or off from the command line, e.g.
pine -feature-list=no-enable-suspend

o there is a feature to suspend via creating a subshell

-teg

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Edan Idzerda wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> > I see that pine has an option to enable suspend. I generally like to have
> > suspend enabled (so I set it that way in .pinerc), but when I launch pine
> > in its own X window, accidentally hitting suspend (^Z) will cause a
> > problem that I don't know how to fix (I get hung in the xterm window and
> > fg doesn't work).
>
> Two quick ideas:
>
> 1) alias pine to 'pine -z' in your shell, then start without
> in your xterm
>
> 2) start pine with an alternate .pinerc that doesn't
> have suspension enabled
>
> Curiously, when vi is started in the same method, it won't allow
> you to suspend it. I wonder if there is a difference in the environment
> that would allow Pine to recognize that "now is a bad time to suspend."
>
> To narrow it down more, if you start pine from a shell that doesn't
> support job control, like sh, pine will still suspend itself, where
> vi won't. This is geekily interesting; I'll have to look at it
> some more ;)
>
> - edan
>
>
>

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Responding to myself here. There is a very nice feature of Pine that I
wasn't aware of until now that allows the user to suspend to a special
"inferior shell". It's great when pine is launched from 'xterm -e'
because it prevents crashes with ^Z. Another feature of pine that I
didn't know about is this command line argument:

-<option>=<value> Assign <value> to the pinerc option <option>
e.g. -signature-file=sig1

This could solve all of my problems with appropriate aliases in the .cshrc
file. But these give me errors:

alias pine 'xterm -n Pine -T Pine -e pine -z -use-subshell-for-suspend=yes \!* &'
alias pinenw '\pine -z -use-subshell-for-suspend=no \!*'

Pine interprets -use-subsh... as -u -s -e -s -u -b -s -h ... And the
errors tell me which of these are not appropriate command line arguments.

Any ideas??

Incidentally, it appears that this "inferior shell" is launched when the
pipe command is executed. It sources .cshrc.

TIA!

Mike

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> I see that pine has an option to enable suspend. I generally like to have
> suspend enabled (so I set it that way in .pinerc), but when I launch pine
> in its own X window, accidentally hitting suspend (^Z) will cause a
> problem that I don't know how to fix (I get hung in the xterm window and
> fg doesn't work).
>
> I also see that pine has a -z command line option that enables suspend. Is
> there any type of command line argument that will *disable* suspend.
> Here's the alias I'm using:
>
> alias pine 'xterm -n Pine -T Pine -e pine \!* &'
>
> Is there a better way??
>
> TIA,
>
> Mike
>
> Michael B. Miller, M.S., Ph.D., M.P.E.
> Department of Psychology
> 210 McAlester Hall
> University of Missouri--Columbia
> Columbia, MO 65211
> Phone: (573) 882-5671
> Fax: (573) 882-7710
> e-mail: [email protected]
> web: http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/

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Mason,
Your argument against mode 1777 was:

> Mode 1777 is inherently vulnerable. It allows unscrupulous users to
> create a mailbox in your name, if you use a client that removes your
> mailbox when it empties it out, or if the unscrupulous user does it
> right after your account has been set up. In either case, they'd then
> be able to set the permissions on the mailbox such that it's
> world-readable.

But exactly the same vulnerability exists in your SGID scheme if the bad
guy uses a mail client to do his harm. The moral is: don't use mail
clients that remove empty mailboxes. Then you don't *need* to make the
clients privileged.

> Probably the only *really* safe method is delivery straight to users'
> home directories.)

On this we agree.

-teg

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I do NOT want to keep receiving all of these messages in the Pine
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Hi,

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Adrian Penisoara wrote:

> I found what causes this: enabling the "quell-folder-internal-msg"
> feature (F_QUELL_INTERNAL_MSG for the programmers) !!
>

Further details (after some tests on 2 machines over here):

* I had no problems with the previous 4.02(A) Pine version...

* Under FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE Pine 4.03 fails to check for new mail, no
matter if it was compiled from the plain sources (with "./build bsf")
or it was compiled from the FreeBSD port, if the
"quell-folder-internal-msg" feature is enabled, but it doesn't exhibit
at all if the feature is disabled !

* Under FreeBSD 3.0-980520-SNAP Pine 4.03 doesn't exhibit this problem
at all, built from sources/FreeBSD port, feature enabled/disabled.

People out there: if you run FreeBSD and if you have some spare time
please help me by testing the Pine 4.03 package -- try compiling from the
bare sources with "./build bsf" and also from the FreeBSD port; you can
get the latest version of the FreeBSD port from here:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.ady.ro/ports/pine/4.03/pine4.tar.gz
http://members.xoom.com/adyx/FreeBSD/ports/pine/4.03/pine4.tar.gz

Also try toggling the "quell-folder-internal-msg" (make sure you have a
zero-lenght mailbox).

Please send your reports/ideeas to <[email protected]>. Thank you !

Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)

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I saw lots of conversation on this one. Did it ever get solved?

I have the problem with 4.02/RH Linux 5.1

My 4.03 compile need something for '-lcrypt'. What is it?

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This is a problem with your .cshrc, not pine

I don't use csh, but some of our .cshrc files
have the following lines at the beginning

if ( ! $?prompt ) exit 0
# all interactive shells

The man page for csh states:
" Noninteractive Operation
When running noninteractively, the shell does not prompt for
input from the terminal. "

You should set your .cshrc file to not run
who am i when the prompt is not set

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> P.S. Offtrack: Is there a better way for my Solaris box to get the domain
> name of a user than
>
> who am i | awk '{print $6}' | tr -d '()'

what does your who am i command report,
as I don't see where you get the domain name?

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Thank you!! Yes, that was exactly correct. I am definitely a novice
cshrc writer and I never really understood the use of the
"if-prompt-endif" part of the .cshrc. I rewrote the .cshrc with the echo
lines and "who am i" lines in the "if-prompt-endif" paragraph. Pipe now
works beautifully.

David also asked me (below) "what does your who am i command report, as I
don't see where you get the domain name?" Answer: On my system it just
greps a line out of 'who':

mbmiller@taxa:534> who am i
mbmiller pts/5 Sep 12 15:26 (Mizzou-AS10-06.missouri.edu)

which is different from the behavior of whoami. So my little script just
grabs (awks) the sixth word and takes off the parentheses. It works, but
isn't so elegant. Funny that I just learned a new thing in the middle of
writing this. There is an environment variable $REMOTEHOST that contains
the information I am getting with my convoluted approach. I can now
rewrite the .cshrc without the "who am i" and awk business by simply using
$REMOTEHOST in my aliases.

Thanks a million!

Mike

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, David Dyck wrote:

>
> This is a problem with your .cshrc, not pine
>
> I don't use csh, but some of our .cshrc files
> have the following lines at the beginning
>
> if ( ! $?prompt ) exit 0
> # all interactive shells
>
> The man page for csh states:
> " Noninteractive Operation
> When running noninteractively, the shell does not prompt for
> input from the terminal. "
>
> You should set your .cshrc file to not run
> who am i when the prompt is not set
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> > P.S. Offtrack: Is there a better way for my Solaris box to get the domain
> > name of a user than
> >
> > who am i | awk '{print $6}' | tr -d '()'
>
> what does your who am i command report,
> as I don't see where you get the domain name?
>
>

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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> who am i | awk '{print $6}' | tr -d '()'
That's better than us ;-)
who -m | tr -s " " "\012" | tr -s "\011" "\012"|grep "(" | tr -d "()"`

BTW, you should have this in /etc/.login or ~/.login rather than .cshrc
because it only changes at login.
-Mike
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Response to self again. (I get digests, so I hope I'm not repeating too
much what other people are writing.) Now I have a fairly elegant solution
to my suspend problem. These are my aliases:

alias pine 'xterm -n Pine -T Pine -e pine -z -feature-list=use-subshell-for-suspend \!* &'
alias pinenw '\pine -z -feature-list=no-use-subshell-for-suspend \!*'

In both, suspend is enabled. In the first (the xterm) the subshell is
used, but in the second (pinenw = pine no window, as in emacs -nw) the
subshell is not used. It works beautifully on my system. When you are in
pine and do Menu-Setup-Config it shows the settings as you had requested
from the command line no matter what is written in the .pinerc. Great
solution. Pine is amazing!

Can Pico or Pilot do this neat subshell thing? It doesn't look like it.

Regards,

Mike

P.S. These aliases also work well for me (note that I drop the -z option
in the xterm):

alias pico 'xterm -n Pico -T Pico -e pico -bdegjmw -r74 \!* &'
alias piconw '\pico -bdegjmwz -r74 \!*'
alias pilot 'xterm -n Pilot -T Pilot -e pilot -agjm \!* &'
alias pilotnw '\pilot -agjmz \!*'

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> Responding to myself here. There is a very nice feature of Pine that I
> wasn't aware of until now that allows the user to suspend to a special
> "inferior shell". It's great when pine is launched from 'xterm -e'
> because it prevents crashes with ^Z. Another feature of pine that I
> didn't know about is this command line argument:
>
> -<option>=<value> Assign <value> to the pinerc option <option>
> e.g. -signature-file=sig1
>
> This could solve all of my problems with appropriate aliases in the .cshrc
> file. But these give me errors:
>
> alias pine 'xterm -n Pine -T Pine -e pine -z -use-subshell-for-suspend=yes \!* &'
> alias pinenw '\pine -z -use-subshell-for-suspend=no \!*'
>
> Pine interprets -use-subsh... as -u -s -e -s -u -b -s -h ... And the
> errors tell me which of these are not appropriate command line arguments.
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Incidentally, it appears that this "inferior shell" is launched when the
> pipe command is executed. It sources .cshrc.
>
> TIA!
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> > I see that pine has an option to enable suspend. I generally like to have
> > suspend enabled (so I set it that way in .pinerc), but when I launch pine
> > in its own X window, accidentally hitting suspend (^Z) will cause a
> > problem that I don't know how to fix (I get hung in the xterm window and
> > fg doesn't work).
> >
> > I also see that pine has a -z command line option that enables suspend. Is
> > there any type of command line argument that will *disable* suspend.
> > Here's the alias I'm using:
> >
> > alias pine 'xterm -n Pine -T Pine -e pine \!* &'
> >
> > Is there a better way??
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Michael B. Miller, M.S., Ph.D., M.P.E.
> > Department of Psychology
> > 210 McAlester Hall
> > University of Missouri--Columbia
> > Columbia, MO 65211
> > Phone: (573) 882-5671
> > Fax: (573) 882-7710
> > e-mail: [email protected]
> > web: http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/
>
>

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In my last message I suggested that instead of using
who am i | awk '{print $6}' | tr -d '()'
or equivalently on my system
who -m | awk '{print $6}' | tr -d '()'
to get the name of the remote host one could use the $REMOTEHOST
environment variable. That might be specific to the tcsh shell I'm using.
It was compiled with the 'rh' option so that it attempts to set the
$REMOTEHOST environment variable. So it probably won't work for a lot of
people.

I run Pine on a Sun (Solaris 2.6). I access it either by telnet from a
PC, using Hummingbird Exceed X-server software (xterm) on a PC
(http://www.hummingbird.com/products/exceed/), OpenWindows on several
Suns, and sometimes VNC (http://www.orl.co.uk/vnc/). Despite this variety
of methods of logging on, for me, something like this in the .cshrc seems
to always work... (but I would very much appreciate suggestions for
improvements)

if ( $?prompt ) then

if ( $?REMOTEHOST ) then
set display=$REMOTEHOST\:0.0
endif

if ( $?DISPLAY ) then
set display=$DISPLAY
endif

set savehist=500
set history=500
set prompt="`whoami`@`hostname`:\!> "

echo " "
echo "My best guess at your address and display is $display"
echo "If this is wrong, X-server aliases will not work for you during this"
echo "session until you change disp using the set command. If a program gives" | sed 's/disp/$display/g'
echo "you an error, precede the program name with a '\' as in \pico or \pine"
echo "or \telnet. If you have questions, contact Mike Miller at 882-5671 or"
echo "by e-mail to [email protected]."
echo " "

endif

# Aliases for apps that can use X or not (nw = no window)

alias emacs 'emacs -cr red -display $display \!* &'
alias emacsnw '\emacs -nw -cr red \!*'
alias pico 'xterm -n Pico -T Pico -e pico -bdegjmw -r74 \!* &'
alias piconw '\pico -bdegjmwz -r74 \!*'
alias pine 'xterm -n Pine -T Pine -e pine -z -feature-list=use-subshell-for-suspend \!* &'
alias pinenw '\pine -z -feature-list=no-use-subshell-for-suspend \!*'
alias pilot 'xterm -n Pilot -T Pilot -e pilot -agjm $PWD &'
alias pilotnw '\pilot -agjmz $PWD'
alias telnet 'xterm -n \!* -T \!* -e telnet \!* &'
alias telnetnw '\telnet \!*'
alias xemacs 'xemacs -cr red -display $display \!* &'
alias xemacsnw '\xemacs -nw \!*'

# Aliases that require X

alias xterm 'xterm -cr red -j +sb -display $display \!* &'
alias cmdtool 'cmdtool +Wi -display $display \!* &'
alias shelltool 'shelltool +Wi -display $display \!* &'
alias cm 'cm +Wi -display $display \!* &'
alias filemgr 'filemgr +Wi -display $display -d $PWD \!* &'
alias gv 'xterm -n GhostView -T GhostView -e ghostview \!* &'
alias imagetool 'imagetool +Wi -display $display \!* &'
alias sas 'sas +Wi -display $display \!* &'

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what is SGID. by the way i am running pc-pine. i tell you this for two
reasons. in case you are giving me the right information, and two, i
don't know anything about unix then it's complementary aspects with
MS-DOS. i.e. i don't know anything besides how to manage a web page using
telnet. so please explain your intelligent unix slang. thanks

aaron

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Mason Loring Bliss wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 12, 1998 at 08:24:01AM -0700, Terry Gray wrote:
>
> > This is VERY BAD ADVICE. The vulnerability you are concerned about with
> > mode 1777 goes away if you use mail tools that don't remove the INBOX
> > (thousands of sites use this strategy successfully) and the
> > vulnerabilities of running Pine as a privileged program are ENORMOUS... it
> > was never designed to be run with privileges.
>
> The worst case is that the user could use Pine to create a file in /var/mail.
> Sticky bits alone on /var/mail are totally insufficient. Also, note that the
> group "mail" will exist only to own /var/mail. It exists for no other reason,
> and grants no privilige other than the ability to write to files in /var/mail.
> At that, files are created with fairly minimal permissions, so Pine running
> SGID mail can't access any files other than those it has created and those
> already accessible under the user's standard permissions.
>
> Running Pine as SUID root would be silly, but I don't see ENORMOUS problems
> running it SGID mail. I see *no* problems with it, in fact, that aren't
> already a subset of the ENORMOUS number of problems running with the sticky
> bit set on /var/mail, mode 1777.
>
> --
> Mason Loring [email protected]/mason
> "In the drowsy dark cave of the mind dreams build their nest with fragments
> dropped from day's caravan."--Rabindranath Tagore..awake ? sleep : dream;
>

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Hello all....
I am in the process of moving 8000+ accounts, and a great number of them =
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Hi...

How can I change the userid presented when logging into an nntp server
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I have recently upgraded to pine 3.96 from pine 3.91. When I installed
pine3.91, I had to modify the source code slightly as some terminal
emulation packages were printing an extra page after every message (it was
either blank or had [4i printed on it).

I am now having the same problem with pine 3.96 but apparently the print
routines were re-written as the code I modified has changed. How can I
eliminate the extra page being printed in pine 3.96?

TIA

Lisa Frye [email protected]
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Have you tried Pine 4.03?

Chris.

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, L Frye wrote:

>
> I have recently upgraded to pine 3.96 from pine 3.91. When I installed
> pine3.91, I had to modify the source code slightly as some terminal
> emulation packages were printing an extra page after every message (it was
> either blank or had [4i printed on it).
>
> I am now having the same problem with pine 3.96 but apparently the print
> routines were re-written as the code I modified has changed. How can I
> eliminate the extra page being printed in pine 3.96?
>
> TIA
>
>
> Lisa Frye [email protected]
> Network Support Specialist
> UNIX System Administrator Kutztown University
> phone: 610-683-4474 LMS Annex Room 105
> fax: 610-683-4634 Kutztown, PA. 19530
>
>
>
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I believe the [4i that you are seeing is the standard vt220/100 passthru
print "printer off" (preceeded by an escape). Check out your terminal
emulation type and the terminfo/termcap for that terminal type. The
problems you described usually show up when something is wrong there.

Bobby--

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, L Frye wrote:

>
> I have recently upgraded to pine 3.96 from pine 3.91. When I installed
> pine3.91, I had to modify the source code slightly as some terminal
> emulation packages were printing an extra page after every message (it was
> either blank or had [4i printed on it).
>
> I am now having the same problem with pine 3.96 but apparently the print
> routines were re-written as the code I modified has changed. How can I
> eliminate the extra page being printed in pine 3.96?
>
> TIA
>
>
> Lisa Frye [email protected]
> Network Support Specialist
> UNIX System Administrator Kutztown University
> phone: 610-683-4474 LMS Annex Room 105
> fax: 610-683-4634 Kutztown, PA. 19530
>
>
>
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I want to only view 2 folders in a directory using pine4. is this
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Misc /var/mail/[kernel*] under folder collections.

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Hello all...I was wondering if anyone had mbxcvt compiled for Dec Unix =
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Am I missing something obvious?

Previous versions of the source distribution included several
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Does 4.03 support building on Win32?

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In prior Pine, we had one shared folder for company-directed e-mail and
then private, individual folders for all else. The company folder was with
a common group id and permissions set to g+rw. We recently went to 4.02
and the changes in locking seems to not allow this to work (whenever
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Does anyone have a solution for sharing a folder under pine? Is there a
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, J. Heinrich wrote:

> Previous versions of the source distribution included several
> "makefile.wnt" files, as well as a "build.bat" for building (compiling) on
> MS Windows NT/9x with Visual C++.
>
> Does 4.03 support building on Win32?

No; at this time only the pre-built binary is available.

(There are a bunch of reasons... including that PC-Pine now includes
commercial/proprietary code that UW licensed for use with it, as well as
issues relating to encryption code hooks, etc...)

Was there something in particular you'd like to add/change?

-teg

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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:
>
> > The Mining Co. is collecting votes for the best email client at
> >
> > http://email.miningco.com/library/cc/blvote.htm
>
> Dear this-address-is-valid,
>
> I don't know if you have actually used Pine, but Pine is not
> Netscape Communicator, and Pine is not Pegasus Mail for Microsoft Windows
> 98.

Yes, I have actually used Pine. I've taught classes about it, I've
written about it in the book Internet Secrets, I've got a web page
about it, I've contributed to the Pine FAQ, I've been a tester for
Pine 4 and submitted many bug reports and feature requests. I've also
used Communicator and Pegasus and the evil Microsoft Outlook and tried
using many of the IMAP clients out there. In the Unix world, I used
good ol' Unix mail for years then finally converted to elm in 1989 and
happily used elm until 1992 when the main reason I switched to Pine
was because I was teaching Internet classes and it was much easier to
teach people how to use Pine with its built-in pico editor. Since 1992
I have become a huge fan of Pine because:

1) It follows Internet standards
2) It uses IMAP (and actually its developers are key to the
development of IMAP)
3) It's open source software
4) It's free
5) It's cross platform so when I switch between Unix and Win/NT I
don't get confused about my mail & news commands
6) You can do everything from the keyboard
7) It supports piping of messages (at least the Unix version does
now; once the Win/NT version does it will blow all other Win/NT
mail/news clients away as far as I'm concerned)
8) It understands compartmentalization. Rather than trying to do
everything, it provides hooks for helper programs like PGP.
Filtering can be done on the server via something like procmail
(another reason that IMAP is a great message access protocol).
9) It's usable by people with disabilities
10) It's powerful and customizable
11) It's not Microsoft

> What you need to do is set up a return e-mail address which performs the
> vote, using a custom delivery agent or majordomo.
>
> Any "vote" called for by e-mail which must be cast in a Web browser is
> ipso facto discredited.

It's true that web votes are not very accurate but then neither are
votes submitted by email. To me it's just interesting to see what
programs have a lot of user support (or at least a core of users who
have the energy to submit a lot of votes!). You can see how these
votes are going by looking at:

http://email.tqn.com/library/cc/blbestclient.htm

I'm sure it's NOT the case that 53.34% of email users are using The
Bat but it sure is interesting (to me) that there's a group of really
enthusiastic users of The Bat. It's also interesting to me to see how
much everyone hates Microsoft. Hardly anyone admits to using Microsoft
products -- even Pine has got Outlook beat! Another poll like this is
the browser poll at:

http://cgi.zdnet.com/zdpoll/question.html?pollid=5207&action=a

I'm also sure that it's NOT the case that only 28% of users are using
the evil MSIE and there's no way that 19% are using Opera. But again
it's interesting to me to see how strong the anything-but-Microsoft
sentiment is.

> Anyway, what are you trying to achieve? Why should I care what the Mining
> Co., whatever that is, is doing?

I guess what I'd like is to get the word out about Pine, especially
PC-Pine. Most people have no idea that there is this great free
standards-based powerful robust mail and news client called PC-Pine
that they can use in their Win/NT environment. I've introduced some of
my non-Unix friends to it and they just love how clean it is. Once you
know how to use Pine (on any platform) I claim you can process mail
much more efficiently than you'll ever be able to in the
point-and-click drag-and-drop GUI world of monolithic programs. And of
course I like promoting something that is completely different (and a
lot better) than anything the evil Microsoft will ever produce.

> As I assume you are collecting e-mail addresses for a spam, you will
> need to read the list to see this.

If you look at my web pages or read my posts, you'll see that
collecting email addresses for spam is not quite my style.

--
Nancy McGough
Infinite Ink
http://www.ii.com

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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Terry Gray wrote:

> No; at this time only the pre-built binary is available.
>
> (There are a bunch of reasons... including that PC-Pine now includes
> commercial/proprietary code that UW licensed for use with it,

I am truly sorry to learn that PC-Pine is no longer open source. Apache,
Lynx and Perl somehow manage to provide Win32 compatibility in their
source distributions.

> Was there something in particular you'd like to add/change?

Just a few minor customizations, like losing X-Sender (& non-matching
envelope) when sending on behalf of a "role" account (ala
ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM in 3.96).

Mainly I'm just an open source nut who enjoys the freedom and flexibility
that comes with source code. I generally shun binary-only packages (which
is hard to do on NT :).

--J

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Dear Olivia:

Here are some exerps from the mail you should have recieved when you
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> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:14:47 -0500 (CDT)
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>
> I do NOT want to keep receiving all of these messages in the Pine
> Discussion Forum. I keep getting them, and keep writing to try to get them
> ceased, and no one is responding, and they keep on coming. How do I block
> these messages or get off of this mailing list? Please help!!!!!! I DON'T
> want to receive these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>

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> > I don't know if you have actually used Pine, but Pine is not
> > Netscape Communicator, and Pine is not Pegasus Mail for Microsoft Windows
> > 98.
>
> Yes, I have actually used Pine. I've taught classes about it, I've
> written about it in the book Internet Secrets, I've got a web page
> about it, I've contributed to the Pine FAQ, I've been a tester for
> Pine 4 and submitted many bug reports and feature requests. I've also
> used Communicator and Pegasus and the evil Microsoft Outlook and tried
> using many of the IMAP clients out there. In the Unix world, I used
> good ol' Unix mail for years then finally converted to elm in 1989 and
> happily used elm until 1992 when the main reason I switched to Pine
> was because I was teaching Internet classes and it was much easier to
> teach people how to use Pine with its built-in pico editor. Since 1992
> I have become a huge fan of Pine because:

Nancy, I have already apologised to you in this list for the folly of my
remark concerning your use of Pine. I didn't know what you were.

Regards,
Mike

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On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:
> Nancy, I have already apologised to you in this list for the folly of my
> remark concerning your use of Pine. I didn't know what you were.
^^^^

Apology accepted. I guess I kind of overreacted to your message. I'm
just tired of all the sniping that goes on in discussion groups,
especially in Usenet. I hope you aren't really thinking of me as a
"what" rather than a "who"!

--
Nancy McGough
Infinite Ink
http://www.ii.com

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> Apology accepted. I guess I kind of overreacted to your message. I'm
> just tired of all the sniping that goes on in discussion groups,
> especially in Usenet. I hope you aren't really thinking of me as a
> "what" rather than a "who"!

Heh. As a matter of fact, I chose the word carefully. "Who" refers to
identity, "what" to status. I knew you were Our Nancy but I didn't know
you were the noble Lady Nancy of Pine. :-)

Regards,
Mike

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WHAT are you? ;) sorry couldn't resist.

--Jauder

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:
> > Nancy, I have already apologised to you in this list for the folly of my
> > remark concerning your use of Pine. I didn't know what you were.
> ^^^^
>
> Apology accepted. I guess I kind of overreacted to your message. I'm
> just tired of all the sniping that goes on in discussion groups,
> especially in Usenet. I hope you aren't really thinking of me as a
> "what" rather than a "who"!
>
> --
> Nancy McGough
> Infinite Ink
> http://www.ii.com
>
>

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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Jauder Ho wrote:

>
> WHAT are you? ;) sorry couldn't resist.
>
> --Jauder

You put me in mind of an incompletely remembered exchange between John
Knox and Mary Queen of Scots that I read in some history book. Knox was
laying down the law on some point, presumably regarding the reorganization
of the Scottish church, when Mary interrupted contemptuously with

"What are _ye_ in this commonwealth?"

to which Knox replied,

"A citizen of the same, madam".

I hope therefore that I may be accounted a humble citizen of the
Republic of Pine.

:-)

Regards,
Mike

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well they have Banana Republic, so why not Pine Republic =)

--Jauder

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Jauder Ho wrote:
>
> >
> > WHAT are you? ;) sorry couldn't resist.
> >
> > --Jauder
>
> You put me in mind of an incompletely remembered exchange between John
> Knox and Mary Queen of Scots that I read in some history book. Knox was
> laying down the law on some point, presumably regarding the reorganization
> of the Scottish church, when Mary interrupted contemptuously with
>
> "What are _ye_ in this commonwealth?"
>
> to which Knox replied,
>
> "A citizen of the same, madam".
>
> I hope therefore that I may be accounted a humble citizen of the
> Republic of Pine.
>
> :-)
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>

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My brother decided to send me his collection of humor which consisted of
over 40 attachments. When I attempted to delete the first attachment, I
noticed that attachments 11 through 19 were also selected for deletion.
Undeleting the first attachment also removed the delete flag from
attachments 11 through 19.

It appears to me to be a bug of the strcmp sort, but since I do not have
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This bug manifests itself on a Linux v2.0.35 system running Pine 4.03
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If any other information would be handy, just ask. I doubt that will be
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Hi,

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, Adrian Penisoara wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Adrian Penisoara wrote:
>
> > I found what causes this: enabling the "quell-folder-internal-msg"
> > feature (F_QUELL_INTERNAL_MSG for the programmers) !!
>
> Further details (after some tests on 2 machines over here):
>
> * Under FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE Pine 4.03 fails to check for new mail, no
> matter if it was compiled from the plain sources (with "./build bsf")
> or it was compiled from the FreeBSD port, if the
> "quell-folder-internal-msg" feature is enabled, but it doesn't exhibit
> at all if the feature is disabled !

More details: this problem exhibits ONLY when Pine is run under XWindows,
and probably ISN'T related to a special version of FreeBSD (and it might
not be related only to the FreeBSD OS)!

There seems to be a strange interaction between Pine 4.03 and BASH when
the XTerm's dimensions are large (i.e. more than 55 lines & more than 170
columns). I have no problems with SH; I checked again 4.02A and haven't
had any problems with it...

Environment:
* FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE
* XFree86 Version 3.3.2.3 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: July 15 1998
Operating System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386
* GNU bash, version 2.02.0(1)-release (i386-pc-freebsd2.2.7)
* Pine 4.03 built from FreeBSD port
* Pine 4.03 built from original sources, "bsf" port

I'd like to ask the people on the list to check this observation: please
run bash in a xterm as large as possible and launch Pine and perform the
"compose yourself a message and check your mail" test (make sure you have
a zero-length mailbox and you have enabled the
"quell-folder-internal-msg" feature). This might exhibit for any OS, not
just FreeBSD (as a matter of fact I saw a similar bug report earlier on
the list)!

In the mean time I will release to the public the FreeBSD port, hoping
we're going to get enough feedback to solve this issue. You can get the
lastest version of the port from:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.ady.ro/ports/pine/4.03/pine4.tar.gz
http://members.xoom.com/adyx/FreeBSD/ports/pine/4.03/pine4.tar.gz

Thank you very much,
Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)

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[01:39:23] jim:~$ pine

I was reading mail in another folder... new mail came into INBOX and:

Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
Pine Exiting.
Aborted (core dumped)
You have mail in /var/spool/mail/jim

it fell over..

any ideas?
system:

Redhat Linux 5.1, Pine 4.03 built with 'slx' option for shadowed linux
passwords. (which i have)

Pentium 166, 64meg RAM, glibc compiled..

just seems odd it happened...

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No, the problem is definitely sendmail (I've tested it with mail and mailx
with similar results), but somehow before the install of the new pine and
the 4.02 patch install, the problem seems to have not been happening. No
with is. No changes were made by anyone here to sendmail except for the
change of the spool directory with 1777 as the instructions call for.
Could this have been the culprit (I don't see how)?

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Mark Crispin wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:39:26 -0700 (PDT), Bobby Ezell wrote:
> > In prior Pine, we had one shared folder for company-directed e-mail and
> > then private, individual folders for all else. The company folder was with
> > a common group id and permissions set to g+rw. We recently went to 4.02
> > and the changes in locking seems to not allow this to work (whenever
> > sendmail receives mail to the company folder, it changes it to g-rw).
>
> Pine doesn't change protections on folders. I use Pine in just the sort of
> environment that you describe
>

> Did you change sendmail or the mail delivery program used by sendmail
> recently? I think that the mail delivery program is to blame, perhaps as a
> well-intentioned "security" measure.
>

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I've found with PC-Pine that when I reply to a message, it automatically
adds myself to the cc: line. How do I disable this behavior? I don't see
it in the setup and my fcc is set to my unix sentmail folder.

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[[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
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what kind of message are replying to. is it form on person, or a listserv
like this discussion forum? and you have 4.03 pc pine right?

Aaron S. Hawley
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On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Chris Wood wrote:

>
> I've found with PC-Pine that when I reply to a message, it automatically
> adds myself to the cc: line. How do I disable this behavior? I don't see
> it in the setup and my fcc is set to my unix sentmail folder.
>
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
> Chris Wood Kitco, Inc.
> 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc.
> [[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>
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Pine probably doesn't realize that the address it is cc'ing is you.
Perhaps it is a slightly different form of the address. Look at the
"alt-addresses" configuration option to see if that will help.

--
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Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Chris Wood wrote:

>
> I've found with PC-Pine that when I reply to a message, it automatically
> adds myself to the cc: line. How do I disable this behavior? I don't see
> it in the setup and my fcc is set to my unix sentmail folder.
>
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
> Chris Wood Kitco, Inc.
> 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc.
> [[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>
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Hi,

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote:

> Adrian Penisoara wrote:
> > In the mean time I will release to the public the FreeBSD port, hoping
> > we're going to get enough feedback to solve this issue. You can get the
> > lastest version of the port from:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.freebsd.ady.ro/ports/pine/4.03/pine4.tar.gz
> > http://members.xoom.com/adyx/FreeBSD/ports/pine/4.03/pine4.tar.gz
>
> The port works fine for me, but I still wanted to bring the size of the
> executable down by removing the -DDEBUG from pine/makefile.bsf. Doing this
> still results in the error I mentioned before. Pine 3.96 processes are 1

I just tried to compile without -DDEBUG too (modified both
pico/makefile.bsf & pine/makefile.bsf) and had the same problem -- which,
I'm afraid, can be solved only by the Pine Team...
I'll try to have a look at the sources anyway, but I don't think there is
too much I can do about it...

> MB smaller (according to 'top') than Pine 4.03 processes, so it does seem
> to be worth the effort. Please let me know if you can duplicate the

Don't forget that 4.x has added *many* new functionalities (like the HTML
interpreter, <> keys navigation, binary-compiled help, etc.) which means
additional code which in turn means that we might not be able to shrink
the executable's size too much...

> problem or suggest a solution.

Well, as a matter of fact, there is something: the FreeBSD port
automatically strips the executables after installing them in the final
locations:

[root@scouter 10:17pm] pine4# ls -l work/pine4.03/bin/
total 3504
-rwxr-xr-x 2 root staff 214933 Sep 15 22:13 pico
-rwxr-xr-x 2 root staff 214901 Sep 15 22:13 pilot
-rwxr-xr-x 2 root staff 3116589 Sep 15 22:14 pine
[root@scouter 10:17pm] pine4# ls -l /usr/local/bin/pi*
-r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 200704 Sep 15 22:24 /usr/local/bin/pico
-r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 200704 Sep 15 22:24 /usr/local/bin/pilot
-r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 2306048 Sep 15 22:24 /usr/local/bin/pine

So we gain as much as 800Kb only for the pine executable ! :-)
What do you think ?

>
> Thanks,
>
> - Mike
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> PO Box 61334 | http://www.hyperreal.org/music/
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Thanks for your interest,
Ady (@warpnet.ro)

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I was able to fix the problem, I think. In an obscure man page for
procmail, there was talk of similar problems taking place under mailing
daemons and the recommendation was to set u+x for the file permissions in
question in the /var/spool/mail directory. This actually seems to have
worked though I am not sure why or whether it presents other problems.

Thanks for the help.

Bobby Ezell--

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Mark Crispin wrote:

> The best that I can guess is that perhaps your mail delivery program (not
> actually sendmail, but a program that sendmail calls) has a well-intentioned
> code section that does something different for 1777 spool directories.
>
> Is the shared mailbox on the spool directory? What happens if it is on some
> other directory?
>
> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:32:43 -0700 (PDT), Bobby Ezell wrote:
> > No, the problem is definitely sendmail (I've tested it with mail and mailx
> > with similar results), but somehow before the install of the new pine and
> > the 4.02 patch install, the problem seems to have not been happening. No
> > with is. No changes were made by anyone here to sendmail except for the
> > change of the spool directory with 1777 as the instructions call for.
> > Could this have been the culprit (I don't see how)?
> >

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Nope, no lists. If someone just sends me an email to me (and only me) and
I reply, it adds me to the cc: field. I looked at it a bit further and
here's more accurately what it's doing.

Our mail is handled by a gateway that masquarades the address and forwards
it to the real server. Ex: My email address [email protected] is forwarded
to [email protected]. When Pine 4.03 for Unix sees the address as
[email protected], it is fine with it. When PC-Pine 4.03 sees the address,
it assumes it is another person.

I guess this makes sense and is just a difference between the
behavior of PC-Pine and Unix. Anyone know if it's changeable?

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> what kind of message are replying to. is it form on person, or a listserv
> like this discussion forum? and you have 4.03 pc pine right?
>
> Aaron S. Hawley
> PC-Pine 4.03 mailer
> [email protected]
> http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley
> Vergennes, Vermont, US
>
> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Chris Wood wrote:
>
> >
> > I've found with PC-Pine that when I reply to a message, it automatically
> > adds myself to the cc: line. How do I disable this behavior? I don't see
> > it in the setup and my fcc is set to my unix sentmail folder.
> >
> >
> > -=-=-=-=-=-
> > Chris Wood Kitco, Inc.
> > 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc.
> > [[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>

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[[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
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doh! You're right. :) Everyone can ignore my previous response. Thanks
for the help!

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Pine probably doesn't realize that the address it is cc'ing is you.
> Perhaps it is a slightly different form of the address. Look at the
> "alt-addresses" configuration option to see if that will help.
>
> --
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>
> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Chris Wood wrote:
>
> >
> > I've found with PC-Pine that when I reply to a message, it automatically
> > adds myself to the cc: line. How do I disable this behavior? I don't see
> > it in the setup and my fcc is set to my unix sentmail folder.
> >
> >
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> > 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc.
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I've had problems with pine4* that I never had with Pine3* ... I like the
new features, I like the new speed *alot*. I tend to leave pine open in my
screen session for long periods at a time (until down time or pine
crashes) .. I sometimes get "bus error" or "segmentation fault" or
"received abort signal" .. The only new bug I've been able to narrow down
is when I call pine as

pine -d 9

and it invariably segfaults as soon as I try to send.

I haven't been able to determine what I need to do to reproduce the other
crashes I've had.

anyone else able to reproduce the one above I've mentioned?

Matt

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Jim Woodward wrote:

> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:45:35 +1000 (EST)
> From: Jim Woodward <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: PINE 4.03 crashed??
>
>
> [01:39:23] jim:~$ pine
>
>
> I was reading mail in another folder... new mail came into INBOX and:
>
>
> Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> Pine Exiting.
> Aborted (core dumped)
> You have mail in /var/spool/mail/jim
>
> it fell over..
>
> any ideas?
> system:
>
> Redhat Linux 5.1, Pine 4.03 built with 'slx' option for shadowed linux
> passwords. (which i have)
>
> Pentium 166, 64meg RAM, glibc compiled..
>
> just seems odd it happened...
>
>
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I noticed some inconsistent behavior between Pine 3.96 and 4.03 on FreeBSD
2.2.6-STABLE. It's not really specific to just this platform, though. On
our system, we have mail being stored in a file called 'Mailbox' in users'
home directories.

Pine 3.96, when invoked as root, is reading $HOME/Mailbox, where Mailbox
is the value of the Pine variable inbox-path, as defined in
/usr/local/etc/pine.conf.

If you do a plain 'su' to root, $HOME will be /root (or whatever; we have
it as /root). If $HOME is /root and inbox-path is Mailbox, and if
/root/Mailbox does *not* exist, then Pine will produce a cryptic 'cannot
open mailbox Folder' error. If /root/Mailbox does exist, it will be
opened.

If you do a 'su -m' to preserve your environment (not all 'su'
implementations let you do this), $HOME will be the path to your non-root
home directory. Thus, Pine 3.96, when invoked as root, will open your
non-root Mailbox, if it exists.

Pine 4.03, when invoked as root, apparently does not look at the HOME
environment variable to determine the user's home directory. It knows to
look for /root/Mailbox regardless of the environment settings. It's not
looking at $MAIL or $USER, either. Where is it getting the user's home
directory from?

I looked through the release chronology and version changes for 3.96
through 4.03, and nothing about this change was listed. I assume, though,
that it was intentional?

..and another observation: Why does Pico, when you type ctrl-R, always
ask you for the name of a file to insert from "home directory"? It would
be more accurate for it to say "current directory", as that is its actual
behavior.

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Hi!

I'm running pine 3.96 and debian 1.3.latest with smail.

Sometimes when I send messages from pine it tells me:

[Sending mail | 100% |]

But the program is blocked and it takes anything from 2 minutes to
10 to unblock. If i run mailq, the message I just sent is in the queue.

Any ideas?

TIA!

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Make sure to "enable-lame-list-mode". You will see your folders again.

Why they feel that Cyrus is lame is another question. :-)

Jonathan Wilner mailto:[email protected]
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> From: Aaron S. Hawley <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Pine 4.03 and imap folders
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:11:20 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
>
> i've had the same problem too! i thought it was my fault too, but i'm
> glad i'm not the only one
>
> aaron
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Yannick Bilodeau wrote:
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I just installed Pine 4.03 and I cannot see my IMAP folders
> > anymore. We are running the Cyrus IMAP Server 1.5.2
> > It is working fine with Pine 3.96, so I don't think it's what I wrote
> > in "folder-collection" (and I didn't see any change about the format
> > in the technical notes).
> >
> > did anybody had the same problem?
> > and how did you solved it?
> >
> > Thanks a lot in advance.
> > Yannick
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pine 4.03, solaris 2.5.1, gcc 2.8.1

it would appear that dotfile handling has gotten somewhat broken. parts
of folder.c still reference show_dot_names, but that bitfield never gets
set. other code references the features F_ENABLE_DOT_FILES and
F_ENABLE_DOT_FOLDERS. i'll submit diffs if i succeed.

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here's the diffs, 2 changed lines, 1 deleted. no big deal.

diff -r pine4.03.orig/pine/folder.c pine4.03/pine/folder.c
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< if(!ps_global->show_dot_names && add_folder[offset] == '.'){
---
> if(!F_ON(F_ENABLE_DOT_FOLDERS, ps_global) && add_folder[offset] == '.'){
4251c4251
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< unsigned show_dot_names:1;

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I am running Pine 4.03 on a Digital Unix 3.2c alpha sysetm.
I am connecting to an NT exchange using IMAP. What I want to
be able to do is copy the email from the remote server
to a local folder, that is not removeing it from the remote server.
Export saves to a file, and Save deletes it from the remote server.

As a second question, Some of our usernames are different from
the user names they use on the exchange server, how do I set
the user name to be used for IMAP purposes in the .pinerc file?
as well as the password, or is this to much of a security risk?

Lastly, is there any way to setup a rules file for remote mail.

What I want to do is setup a cron job to poll the exchange server
pull off any new mail and execute any rules....Can Pine do that?

Thanks
George Gallen
[email protected]

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My work recently changed to IMAP using the Microsoft Exchange server. This
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George,

> I am running Pine 4.03 on a Digital Unix 3.2c alpha sysetm.
> I am connecting to an NT exchange using IMAP. What I want to
> be able to do is copy the email from the remote server
> to a local folder, that is not removeing it from the remote server.
> Export saves to a file, and Save deletes it from the remote server.

Of course it doesn't actually delete it...it simply marks it for deletion.
The actual destruction of the message comes at expunge time.

So, you have to options.

1. Un-mark the deletion.

2. Set "save-will-not-delete" in the config

> As a second question, Some of our usernames are different from
> the user names they use on the exchange server, how do I set
> the user name to be used for IMAP purposes in the .pinerc file?
> as well as the password, or is this to much of a security risk?

Let's see.... Try going this route to get to a "help" screen which may be
what your are seeking...

Go to s(etup), c(onfig).

Go to "inbox-path" and hit ?.

Go to the help on "Valid Folder Names".

Find the "Server:" help text.

(There may be a quicker way to get there....but it is late.

> Lastly, is there any way to setup a rules file for remote mail.
>
> What I want to do is setup a cron job to poll the exchange server
> pull off any new mail and execute any rules....Can Pine do that?

Not that I know about....

Ed

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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.04. This version is considered a maintenance release and is
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of clients. Of course, we couldn't pass up the opportunity to toss in
some Pine, PC-Pine and Pico fixes as well.

Information on specific changes can be found in the built-in release notes
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Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

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and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
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The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm404w32.zip

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I remember a discussion about these abominations before but I don't
remember what the best way to extract MS-TNEF attachments in Pine.

Can someone help me out ?

Shawn Jeffries
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> I remember a discussion about these abominations before but I don't
> remember what the best way to extract MS-TNEF attachments in Pine.
>
> Can someone help me out ?

I've found that:

| cat - > /dev/null

works best for me. :-) :-)

Ed

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will there be a real fix for this some time soon? i went ahead and set
the sticky bit so now everyone and write whatever they want to mail. it
almost seems better to change sendmail to move new mail to ~/mbox. but
i'm sure there are other permission problems with that.

is the mailbox locking feature really necessary? it seems that pine can
work perfectly fine without it.

Bruno:

If you make pine sgid mail you have likely given everyone the ability to
read each others' mail, or at least the ability to delete it. To stop them
from being able to delete each other's mail, you'd need to add the sticky
bit to the spool directory. In which case you are back to fixing the
problem the other way. The real fix is 01777 for your mail spool
directory.

Matt

On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Bruno wrote:

> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:07:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bruno <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Still Mailbox vulnerability on PINE4.01...
>
> On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Peter Green wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, SuperVisor de PINE wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello, I'm volunteer tester of PINE software into two systems:
AIX4.1/3.2
> > > and NeXTstep 3.0 and I still see some extrange messages refering to
> > > Mailbox vulnerability just on AIX4.1 like this:
> > >
> > > Mailbox vulnerable - error creating
/var/spool/mail/august.lock.901321877.1898
> >

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Ok, after a bit of effort, I've converted from Pine 3.96 to 4.04 and got it
set up to my liking.

Except for one casualty: a bunch of messages got converted to mbox format.
I've since fixed it so it won't do it anymore, but I've still got a bunch
of messages in my ~/mbox file that I want to convert back to unix, drop
into /var/mail and fetch with my POP client (Eudora).

So... how do I convert the mbox mail back to "unix" mail, or otherwise get
at these messages? Please cc: any replies to my email address... thanks!

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Hi,
I'm very novice in using pine my platform is
Linux at PC with pine 4.02
I've configured pine for mail and news, but have a problem
if i will get the news i got the news folder-list
out of .newsrc -ok
pine shows mi
login: peter password:
but i can't edit or set the login-name and
unfortuanelety my provider-login is not peter, but my login
on the linux-system is peter
is there a chance to change the login-name for news-reading
or evtl. can I set the login-name and password per default(?)
in .pinerc or so??

thanx for help
Peter

p.s. i know, my english is pretty ugly , sorry, but i hope
you can extract what i mean ;-)

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Hi all out there,

I have observed that at least my pine.4.04 and all prior versions of
pine.4 fail to make multiple URLs selectable

Example http://www.dlr.de/
http://www.dlr.de/DLR-Homepage;internal&action=frameset.action

If the URLs are on different pages the selection works:

This page is left intentionally blank ;-)

http://www.dlr.de/DLR-Homepage;internal&action=frameset.action

And when going backwards the selectable URLs might change. Is this a bug
or a feature?

Thanks a lot

Andreas

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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote:

*blush*

>
> I have observed that at least my pine.4.04 and all prior versions of
> pine.4 fail to make multiple URLs selectable
>

I should have read the fine documentation before sending a mail to this
list.

They are selectable by ^F and ^B

Anyway it would be nice if these funtions are availabe in the Display of
the commands at the bottom of the screen.

Best regards

Andreas (still crimson red)

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If I understand what you're asking, the mbox file is already in the format
you need.
All pine does is copy the users' mail spool directory into his personal
mbox file
for use with pine. If you copy the mbox file back to the spool directory,
you should=20
be able to pop the messages out of there no problem. I've done this many
times with
no problem. On my system (Digital Unix 4.0d) , the spool directories are
in /usr/var/spool/mail.
There is one file (exactly like the mbox format) for each user.

Good Luck,
Tony Warner

At 01:06 AM 9/18/98 -0400, Scott I. Remick wrote:
>Ok, after a bit of effort, I've converted from Pine 3.96 to 4.04 and got it
>set up to my liking.
>
>Except for one casualty: a bunch of messages got converted to mbox format.
>I've since fixed it so it won't do it anymore, but I've still got a bunch
>of messages in my ~/mbox file that I want to convert back to unix, drop
>into /var/mail and fetch with my POP client (Eudora).
>
>So... how do I convert the mbox mail back to "unix" mail, or otherwise get
>at these messages? Please cc: any replies to my email address... thanks!
>
>
>-----------------------
>Scott I. Remick mailto:[email protected]
>Network and Information Systems (802)388-7545 FAX:(802)388-3697
>Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com
>
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Hi...

I have big trouble to compile pine 4.04.

After 'build lnx' it says:
==========
[...]
ld: cannot open -ltermcap: No such file or directory
make: *** [pico] Error 1
==========

I tried to use terminfo, but it doesn't work neither...

cya,
Daniele

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On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Daniele 'Realcosmo' Frijia wrote:

> Hi...
>
> I have big trouble to compile pine 4.04.
>
> After 'build lnx' it says:
> ==========
> [...]
> ld: cannot open -ltermcap: No such file or directory
> make: *** [pico] Error 1
> ==========
>
> I tried to use terminfo, but it doesn't work neither...

Sounds like a problem with your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environmental variable.
I've had occasional problems where I was trying to help someone compile
something and they had incorrect values set for this.

if you're in csh, then type the following and see if it works for you.

setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/lib:/usr/local/lib:/usr/local/X11/lib

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Good morning,

I've just installed PC PINE on my home PC. Being able to use the
same addressbook and message folders across platforms is a dream coming
true. BUT, it seems Pine gets upset with me using Windows 95 Hebrew
version and the date format looks like This:

Date: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Sun=2C_20_Sep_1998_01=3A38=3A31_+0200_=28=E6=EE?=
=?X-UNKNOWN?Q?=EF_=FA=F7=F0=E9_=E9=F9=F8=E0=EC=29?=

It's probably the date in Hebrew -- Very, very useful. Is there a way to
force PCPine to be a little more creative at the date format?

And while at the subject, are there any neat configuration tricks to do
with Pine's almost-GUI? Especially getting that green treeish thing out of
my System Tray?

Thanks,
-Elad
http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~elad

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Elad Eyal
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 1601 8:00 AM
> To: Pine Discussion Forum
> Subject: Bad date format on PC PINE
>
>
> Good morning,

It seems to be early in the morning....quite some time ago. :-)

And it also seems that at least one mailer is somewhat dealing with the
format being discussed.

> I've just installed PC PINE on my home PC. Being able to use the
> same addressbook and message folders across platforms is a dream coming
> true. BUT, it seems Pine gets upset with me using Windows 95 Hebrew
> version and the date format looks like This:
>
> Date: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Sun=2C_20_Sep_1998_01=3A38=3A31_+0200_=28=E6=EE?=
> =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?=EF_=FA=F7=F0=E9_=E9=F9=F8=E0=EC=29?=
>
> It's probably the date in Hebrew -- Very, very useful. Is there a way to
> force PCPine to be a little more creative at the date format?

Well, the standards state that the characters in the header must be 7bit
ASCII. Anything which is not must be MIME encoded. That is what pine has
done. It may be tricky for pine to do anything creative with a format that
is probably unknown to it.

I am curious to know how Netscape, Eudora or any other PC mailer handles
this situation. Have you tried these? Do they manage to put things in
"normal" format?

Regards,
Ed

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On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Daniele 'Realcosmo' Frijia wrote:

> After 'build lnx' it says:=20
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> [...]
> ld: cannot open -ltermcap: No such file or directory
> make: *** [pico] Error 1
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

I changed -ltermcap to -lncurses in the files {pine,pico}/makefile.lnx
It worked.

S=F8ren

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Hi,

first of all: great job! I like Pine 4.0x, a lot of wonderful
enchancments.

Today I was playing with the display/sending-filters of Pine 4.04 and I
tried to include PGP as I did with Pine 3.96 on Linux (worked fine!).
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get it done in PC-Pine 4.04 and PGP
2.6.3i for Windows 95/NT (this is the commandline version):

First, I tried the filter mode, f.e. I added as sending filter

C:\path\PGP.EXE -fast

for signing a message.

PGP started and Pine crashed with a GPE, and the PGP window stayed open.

Then I remembered that I have read something about a still broken "Pipe"
command, so I decided to try the _TMPFILE_ method, I added something like

C:\path\PGP_sign.BAT _TMPFILE_ (or is it _TEMPFILE_? I used the one from
the help)

Worked fine so far, PGP_sign.BAT started, but unfortunately, the TEMPFILE
(something like C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\s9819a2) wasn't there... And Pine did not
wait for the BAT-File to complete and that's why the TEMPFILE isn't there:
Pine creates it and deletes it immediately afterwards.

I think these are bugs in Pine, but maybe I did something wrong... Any
comments?

-Michael

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Hi,

if PINE 4.04 looses the IMAP connection during the composition of a
message (f.e. because the modem hung up and you redialed after that), then
it is not possible to write the FCC of the message to a folder that
already exists. Pine says, the folder does NOT exist, but when you say
"yes" for creating the folder, an IMAP error (error creating, file exists)
occurs. I think this did work better in Pine 3.96. This version has simply
reastablished the connection.

-Michael

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Hi,

I tried to use the DSN Opts while sending a message, but everytime I get:
Not supported by mailserver. I tried different SMTP-Server but it did not
work. What kind of SMTP server do I need for that?

-Michael

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I use PC/Pine version 3.95
I can't read message attached sent by Outlook=20
they are identified as MS-TNEF

does anybody can give me a solution ?
thanks

Antoine Mercadi=E9 Tel: 05.61.42.41.05
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Good morning,

> > Sent: Monday, January 01, 1601 8:00 AM
> > Good morning,
> It seems to be early in the morning....quite some time ago. :-)

Oh yes, the art of defaults. 1601? Isn't that the Y1.6K bug..?

> > Date: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Sun=2C_20_Sep_1998_01=3A38=3A31_+0200_=28=E6=EE?=
> > =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?=EF_=FA=F7=F0=E9_=E9=F9=F8=E0=EC=29?=

I have to redraw the question with great shame. I found the Windows
control panel that forces the date into English. (Didn't like the idea of
Hebrew date anyway. And by sheer coincidenec, the same date problem also
makes it impossible to install DirectX on Windows95 Hebrew edition. Thank
You MicroSoft).

The timezone is still problemaatic. I found this could be fixed with SET
TZ=ISR+2 or something like that. But I think I'll let it by.

> I am curious to know how Netscape, Eudora or any other PC mailer handles
> this situation. Have you tried these? Do they manage to put things in
> "normal" format?

Yes, I think they do it fine.

Thanks anyway,

_
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In making the attempt to convert my local addressbook to a remote
addressbook, I have carefully followed this procedure, as outline in
pine-help:

(The purpose being to get the local addressbook from pc-pine to reside on
the imap server in a readable format.)

Converting to Remote.
The easiest way to convert an existing local address book into a
remote address book is to create an empty new remote address book
with the "Add Abook" command. If you only have one address book
currently you will have to do the "Add Abook" command from the
SETUP Addressbook screen. After you have added the empty remote
address book, go into the screen for the address book you wish to
copy and "Select" "All". This selects every entry
in that address book. Then type the command "Apply Kopy" (actually
you just type "A" followed by "K", not the whole name of the
command). You will be asked for the address book to copy to. You
may use ^P and ^N to get to the new empty address book, then hit
RETURN and the addresses will be copied.

Making the empty addressbook was simple, and selecting the current book's
contents....But I have been unsuccessful at making the "Kopy". That is
not an option with "apply" in the addressbook. Other mechanisms I have
used to "copy" or "write" the contents have produced, predictably,
unreadable results.

Any advice you can provide would be most appreciated.

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Florida International University AUL Manager
School of Computer Science 305-348-2739 (v)
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Or if it can't, how can I make a global address book? and
still allow the user to keep a personal address book as well.

Can this global address book also be used by PC-Pine if it
resides on the unix system?

I checked through the docs, but haven't found anything yet.

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Hi,

<> Making the empty addressbook was simple, and selecting the current book's
<> contents....But I have been unsuccessful at making the "Kopy". That is
<> not an option with "apply" in the addressbook. Other mechanisms I have
<> used to "copy" or "write" the contents have produced, predictably,
<> unreadable results.
<>
<> Any advice you can provide would be most appreciated.

Actually, the name of the command is not "kopy" it's "save". So you type
the ";" then "A" to select all entries in your OLD addressbook. Then you
type "A" for apply (you find the command listed in the bottom after typing
"O" for other commands) and after that "S". You can then select between
exporting the selected entries or saving it to an addressbook. You select
the latter one and finally you can select the target addressbook and
everything (at least it should) works fine.

-Michael

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TO clarify, When I attempt to add the "Global Address Book" from
the IMAP server of the Exchange (NT). It asks me for a username,
but the address book I want to add is the Global of the exchange
server, there is no user name. What I would want to do, is set it
up once, then copy all the entries to a local global address book
on the unix system.

Original Post: (Post starts with Subject of email)..
Or if it can't, how can I make a global address book? and
still allow the user to keep a personal address book as well.

Can this global address book also be used by PC-Pine if it
resides on the unix system?

I checked through the docs, but haven't found anything yet.

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George Gallen
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Thanks. This worked. I did determine, however that if this process
fails...(As it did for me due to trouble with the target addressbook
file...) that one must "quit" pine and re-enter in order to successfully
see the addressbooks in the list. I had tried this earlier, in fact, was
was tripped up by this behaviour.

Thanks again. Cath

On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Michael Ruder wrote:

>
> <> Making the empty addressbook was simple, and selecting the current book's
> <> contents....But I have been unsuccessful at making the "Kopy". That is
> <> not an option with "apply" in the addressbook. Other mechanisms I have
> <> used to "copy" or "write" the contents have produced, predictably,
> <> unreadable results.
> <>
> <> Any advice you can provide would be most appreciated.
>
> Actually, the name of the command is not "kopy" it's "save". So you type
> the ";" then "A" to select all entries in your OLD addressbook. Then you
> type "A" for apply (you find the command listed in the bottom after typing
> "O" for other commands) and after that "S". You can then select between
> exporting the selected entries or saving it to an addressbook. You select
> the latter one and finally you can select the target addressbook and
> everything (at least it should) works fine.
>
> -Michael
>
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Elad Eyal wrote:

EE >The timezone is still problemaatic. I found this could be fixed with SET
EE >TZ=ISR+2 or something like that. But I think I'll let it by.

Setting the correct timezone and offset is a bit cryptic.

My autoexec.bat includes SET TZ=DST-1DDT

where DST stands for Danish Standard Time
DDT for Danish Daylightsaving Time
and -1 shows that Denmark is 1 hour east/ahead of GMT or UTC.

In W95 under "Controlpanel", "Date and Time" I set the Timezone to:
(GMT +01:00) Copenhagen .......

And you will find this header in my E-mail:

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:17:44 +0200 (DDT)
(time not exact)

where +0200 means that the time stated is GMT + 2 hour, which is correct.

When W95 aut. switch back to wintertime (standardtime) my time changes to
+0100 (DST)

I hope this can help you.

Regards

Lars Scheffmann, Network Adm. E-Mail: [email protected]
Dept. of Academic Information Technology Phone: +45 6615 8600 ext.2867
DOU, Odense University Direct: +45 6557 2867
Niels Bohrs Alle 11, 5230 Odense M Fax: +45 6612 3366

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Hi,

The FreeBSD port of Pine 4.04 has been completed and soon will be
available under ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/mail/pine4/.

You can get the latest version from:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.ady.ro/ports/pine/4.04/pine4.tar.gz
http://members.xoom.com/adyx/FreeBSD/ports/pine/4.04/pine4.tar.gz

Two side notes:
* The port includes new versions of the pgp* scripts suitable for use
with PGP v5 & v2 (thanks goes to Anthony Di Pietro
<[email protected]>). Please tell me if you have any problems
with them.
* Unfortunately the "Received abort signal" bug that appeared in 4.03
didn't disappear -- I can provide details for anyone interested about
this !
One workaround for this, in case you get into it, is to disable the
"quell-folder-internal-msg" feature.

Feedback is welcomed!
Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)

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Hi,

<> My autoexec.bat includes SET TZ=DST-1DDT

This did help, setting TZ=MST7MDT results now in the correct time zone
"-0600 (MDT)". Before that I only had the Control Panel setting

(GMT -07:00) Mountain Time (US & Canada)

and got a "-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)" in my mail header, which is
also correct but not the correct abbreviation...

-Michael

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On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, George Gallen wrote:

>
> Can this global address book also be used by PC-Pine if it
> resides on the unix system?

I've been wanting to do this too. Did you ever find an answer?

-=-=-=-=-=-
Chris Wood Kitco, Inc.
801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc.
[[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
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Ditto for me. I really would like to know if it works now, or when it
will work. (And also instructions, if there are any or the url)

Thanks.

Robert

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Chris Wood wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, George Gallen wrote:
>
> >
> > Can this global address book also be used by PC-Pine if it
> > resides on the unix system?
>
> I've been wanting to do this too. Did you ever find an answer?
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
> Chris Wood Kitco, Inc.
> 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc.
> [[email protected]] Durham Aircraft Services
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>

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Dear All,
I've just installed version 4.04 after back and forth releases of 4.01
upto 4.03. I guess it is the most well developed mailer software in the
Unix world. But I found a slight problem on reading some messages such as
the one I received below:

=== Message Start Block ===

pr&eeacute;occupations actuelles peuvent se r&eeacute;sumer comme suit
:&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&n

p;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp; - manque de personnel
sp&eeacute;cifiquement form&eeacute;&a agrave;
Internet,&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nnbsp;&nn

=== Message End Block ===

It is worth to point out that when I reply including the message body, the
message becomes eligible.
Is there something than can be done in order to resolve the above problem?
Best Regards,
_______________________________________
Tawfik H. Daoud
Cyber Mania - Internet Service Provider
68, Avenue Mohamed V,
93000 Tetouan, Morocco
Telephone: +212.9.704987
Fax: +212.9.965883
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PC-Pine 4.04 fixed 4.03's problem of crashing when trying to invoke the
alternate editor. However, 4.04 asks for the alternate editor command
to be entered manually rather than using the contents of the "editor"
variable if that variable contains any arguments in addition to the
command executable name.

My guess is that PC-Pine tries to invoke the whole "editor" string as the
execuable filename, which would fail if any arguments were specified. Is
there any form of quoting or other syntax that will allow PC-Pine to
distinguish the arguments from the executable name? Note that 3.96 could
handle these arguments correctly.
-- Steve

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I notice that pine will recognize a URL in the following format:

http://www.washington.edu

but it will not recognize the following as a URL:

www.washington.edu

That's too bad because people often send URLs in that format. That is,
they strip off the "http://" when the computer name begins with "www".
Netscape knows that the http is implied. Maybe pine could be written to
search for "http://" and for "www." as initial URL strings.

Regards,

Mike

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> I notice that pine will recognize a URL in the following format:
>
> http://www.washington.edu
>
> but it will not recognize the following as a URL:
>
> www.washington.edu
>
> That's too bad because people often send URLs in that format. That is,
> they strip off the "http://" when the computer name begins with "www".
> Netscape knows that the http is implied. Maybe pine could be written to
> search for "http://" and for "www." as initial URL strings.

For me (version 4.02a under FreeBSD), Pine recognizes those just fine.
Are you also running under unix, and using Lynx as your browser? If so,
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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> I notice that pine will recognize a URL in the following format:
>
> http://www.washington.edu
>
> but it will not recognize the following as a URL:
>
> www.washington.edu

[X] enable-msg-view-web-hostnames

Cheers.

- edan

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Hi,

<> I notice that pine will recognize a URL in the following format:
<>
<> http://www.washington.edu
<>
<> but it will not recognize the following as a URL:
<>
<> www.washington.edu

my PC-Pine 4.04 recognizes both of the above URL without problem.

-Michael

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Edan Idzerda wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> > I notice that pine will recognize a URL in the following format:
> >
> > http://www.washington.edu
> >
> > but it will not recognize the following as a URL:
> >
> > www.washington.edu
>
>
> [X] enable-msg-view-web-hostnames

Thanks very much for this feedback. That worked, in a sense, but there is
a remaining problem. When Pine sends this URL,

www.missouri.edu/~psycmm/

to Netscape it puts it in double quotes,

"www.missouri.edu/~psycmm/"

and Netscape can't handle that and it gives a DNS lookup failure. The
problem is with the tilde character because the following URL is sent
properly (without the added quotes):

www.missouri.edu/%7Epsycmm/

It is the same URL with the "~" escaped by "%7E"

Interesting. Here are the possibly relevant lines of my .pinerc:

# List of programs to open Internet URLs (e.g. http or ftp references).
url-viewers="/opt/netscape/netscape -noraise -remote 'openURL ( _URL_ ,new-window)'"

Regards,

Mike

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As an addendum to my last message, I should add that URLs that contain a
tilde are sent to Netscape in double quotes even if they begin with http:
Here's an example:

http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/

Mike

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Robert Larmon wrote:

> I just hit <enter> on your link, and it came up fine for me
> (Win98, Comm 4.06, PC-Pine 4.04). It has double-quotes in pine, when it
> asks me for confirmation, but it doesn't transfer it to Netscape.

Interesting. I'm using Unix Pine 4.04. I downloaded the Solaris
2.5 (or was it 2.4?) binary from the pine ftp site.

Mike

> On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> > As an addendum to my last message, I should add that URLs that contain a
> > tilde are sent to Netscape in double quotes even if they begin with http:
> > Here's an example:
> >
> > http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/
> >

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> # List of programs to open Internet URLs (e.g. http or ftp references).
> url-viewers="/opt/netscape/netscape -noraise -remote 'openURL ( _URL_ ,new-window)'"
>
Hello !!!

I didn't download any version of 4.x so I'm asking this question just
because I was wondering. If you typeunder your url-viewers=lynx and you
get a WWW link something like:

http://www.foobar.com/~bla/34563636353ssfgsgsd&.html

what will pine do. If you were carefull while reading this link, you
have noticed a & char, which puts every program in background. So my
question is will lynx be put in background???

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Hi,

<> Here's an example:
<>
<> http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/

this one works fine for me.

-Michael

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On a side note, I am using UNIX Pine 4.03, not .04, and send the text
string through my terminal emulator and do a "Start" on it on the PC (to
bring up IE 4 automatically) and it does not include any quotes in the
string going out (I can see each char in debug mode). Maybe 4.04 is
different.

On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Robert Larmon wrote:
>
> > I just hit <enter> on your link, and it came up fine for me
> > (Win98, Comm 4.06, PC-Pine 4.04). It has double-quotes in pine, when it
> > asks me for confirmation, but it doesn't transfer it to Netscape.
>
> Interesting. I'm using Unix Pine 4.04. I downloaded the Solaris
> 2.5 (or was it 2.4?) binary from the pine ftp site.
>
> Mike
>
>
> > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
> >
> > > As an addendum to my last message, I should add that URLs that contain a
> > > tilde are sent to Netscape in double quotes even if they begin with http:
> > > Here's an example:
> > >
> > > http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/
> > >
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Hi,

I'm using PC-Pine 4.04 and I'm trying to save a message to one of the
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request and asks me again for the folder (no error message either).

-Michael

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Hi,

I'm using PC-Pine 4.04 and Netscape 4.05. When I open an URL from within
Pine this works fine (no problems liked discussed before), but Pine always
opens it in the first Netscape Windows. This is quite annoying since it
changes whatever is shown there. It would be better if Pine opens a NEW
browser window for the given URL.

-Michael

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Michael Ruder wrote:
MR> I'm using PC-Pine 4.04 and Netscape 4.05. When I open an URL from within
MR> Pine this works fine (no problems liked discussed before), but Pine always
MR> opens it in the first Netscape Windows. This is quite annoying since it
MR> changes whatever is shown there. It would be better if Pine opens a NEW
MR> browser window for the given URL.

Try adding the new-window option to the openurl "command", as in:
openURL(_URL_, new-window)

---Paul

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Mike Miller wrote:
MM> On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Robert Larmon wrote:
MM>
MM> > I just hit <enter> on your link, and it came up fine for me
MM> > (Win98, Comm 4.06, PC-Pine 4.04). It has double-quotes in pine, when it
MM> > asks me for confirmation, but it doesn't transfer it to Netscape.
MM>
MM> Interesting. I'm using Unix Pine 4.04. I downloaded the Solaris
MM> 2.5 (or was it 2.4?) binary from the pine ftp site.

I'm using Unix Pine 4.03 on Solaris. From some suggestions on the
newsgroup I finally got rid of the single quotes surrounding the
openURL and added backslash escapes. This works fine for all the URLs
I've seen in this thread, whereas almost any URL broke it when I had
single quotes. Here's the relevant url-viewers entry:

"/apps/netscape -remote openURL\$_URL_,\\ new-window\$"

---Paul

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Hi,
I use pine for emailing: read and sending
and if possible I like to use pine as news-reader also
but I have a problem:
If i pick up a news-list pine shows

USER: peter PASSWORD:______
but I'm not user `peter' at my provider's server.
I need a login as usr `pberlau' for this , but I
don't know how can I get pine there

If you can help me please answer

wish You all the very best
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Hi,
I've using pine 4.x and I'm totally satiesfied but I can't
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If anyone can help, please me a tip

wish you all the very best
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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 4.05. Like it's recent predecessors, Pine 4.05 is a maintenance
release intended to fix a small set of particularly bothersome problems.

Problems addressed include the inability to subscribe to newsgroups when
the current folder is not an newsgroup, an aggregate undelete crash, a
crash associated with having an empty folder, as well as a couple of
PC-Pine-specific bugs. More specific information can be found in the
built-in release notes ("R" off the Main Menu), and via:

http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/

Source for the latest Pine release is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
and
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

The corresponding PC-Pine distribution is available in:

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pm405w32.zip

As with all Pine releases, it is important that you carefully test and
determine for yourself that it performs suitably in your environment
before placing Pine into production use.

Enjoy!

Sincerely,

The Pine Development Team

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I just installed PC-Pine 4.04 on an NT4 box. Everything is dandy, except
that I can't seem to save messages. Any save request results in:

[Message to save shrank! (#4 2278 --> 2255)]

which methinks might have something to do w/ the old CR/CRLF distinction.
FYI, I'm also using the cygwin32 tools, and have the partitions (all NTFS,
btw) mounted as text=binary -- can't quite tell why Pine would care,
but...

Any help appreciated.

--david ascher
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PS: I'm using the Vintra systems IMAP server. Could *it* be at fault?

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I was so hopeful, seeing a new release come out, then my hopes were
dashed; this problem isn't one of the ones that was fixed in 4.05:

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Stephen Casner wrote:
> PC-Pine 4.04 fixed 4.03's problem of crashing when trying to invoke the
> alternate editor. However, 4.04 asks for the alternate editor command
> to be entered manually rather than using the contents of the "editor"
> variable if that variable contains any arguments in addition to the
> command executable name.
>
> My guess is that PC-Pine tries to invoke the whole "editor" string as the
> execuable filename, which would fail if any arguments were specified. Is
> there any form of quoting or other syntax that will allow PC-Pine to
> distinguish the arguments from the executable name? Note that 3.96 could
> handle these arguments correctly.
> -- Steve

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Hi,

since Pine always uses the first open browser window to display the URL
instead of opening a new one, I tried to call netscape with the URL as
parameter and this works fine, netscape opens a new window.

So I tried to put in the line

C:\path\netscape.exe _URL_

in url-viewers.

But nothing changed and when I look at the Application (editApp after
clicking on the link) the only thing I see is

"*Shell*"

so pine seems to ignore this setting completly...

Any hints?

-Michael

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I've been trying to configure my PC-Pine 4.04/5 to read a .signature file
located on a remote server. In the Config menu, the only place I can see
where I can set where my .signature file should be is under the
"signature-file" option. Setting it to {hostname.com}.signature simply
creates a file on my local system called {hostname.com}.signature

I've tried various other syntaxes and no go. Is PC-Pine not able to read
remote .signature files? If not, it should, the whole reason I want to use
PC-Pine is take advantage of the fact that it uses remote files so that I
can easily move among different computers and not experience different
configurations between what I have on my PC-Pine and remote Unix Pine.

Also looking forward to remote newsrc capabilities which I know is a known
bug.

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I'm wondering if something has dramatically changed in the 4.x versions of
PC-PINE concerning the date of emitted mail messages on localized
platforms.=20

I'm running Win95 French version, using the default charset as my pinerc
config. And the "Date:" field is filled using some localized date prefixed
with the charset X-UNKNOWN in place of the correct international date
format. Specifing the charset ISO-8859-1 or even US-ASCII is creating the
same wrong "Date:" field but prefixed by the charset setting in place of
X-UNKNOWN.=20

Eg. Date:=20
=3D?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Thu=3D2C_24_Sep_1998_14=3D3A30=3D3A51_+0200_=3D28Heure?=3D=
=3D?X-UNKNOWN?Q?_d'=3DE9t=3DE9_Paris_Madrid
=3D29?=3D

Everything was fine with Pine 3.x with the default charset: mail dates
were using the normal date format. However specifing the charset
ISO-8859-1 or US-ASCII was also creating wrong "Date:" fields (same prefix
and same wrong localized date format). So I guess that something was
already wrong with the support of emitted date fields when using a special
charset.

Beno=EEt Rigaut %^)

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Hi everybody,

We have a staff member asking about how many e-mail addresses that he
could put in the "TO" field or "CC" field. Is there any limitation on
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Thanks in advance.

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* Peter Berlau <[email protected]> writes:

> Hi, I've using pine 4.x and I'm totally satiesfied but I can't get
> pine configured to work as news-reader. If anyone can help, please
> me a tip.

Pine is not a very good newsreader to say the least. You might want to
take a look at a recent version of rtin or slrn instead - honest.

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Hi,
Anyone have info on how to access a global_addressbook from a Unix
Server? I currently use PC-Pine 4.05, and I have been trying
unsuccessfully to figure out if this is possible or not. I've read all
the docs I can find, haven't found anything, and I don't see a FAQ for it.
Can anyone tell me if it works, and if so, what to do? Docs that I missed
would be great.

Thanks

Robert

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I have had the same problem, and have had no success either. My
university uses Unix Pine, with global addressboooks, and have asked them
the exact location, and have still had no success.

Aaron S. Hawley
[email protected]
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http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley
University of Vermont
Home: Vergennes, VT, USA
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On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Robert Larmon wrote:

> Hi,
> Anyone have info on how to access a global_addressbook from a Unix
> Server? I currently use PC-Pine 4.05, and I have been trying
> unsuccessfully to figure out if this is possible or not. I've read all
> the docs I can find, haven't found anything, and I don't see a FAQ for it.
> Can anyone tell me if it works, and if so, what to do? Docs that I missed
> would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert
>
>
>
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> ` USC Law School Computing Services `
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It seems like when you use PINE with IMAP to access the remote server
it always asks for a user name. Is there a "user name" that means the
server itself? Is this a problem or a restriction of IMAP?

George Gallen
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I have had the same problem, and have had no success either. My
university uses Unix Pine, with global addressboooks, and have asked
them
the exact location, and have still had no success.

Aaron S. Hawley
[email protected]
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http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley
University of Vermont
Home: Vergennes, VT, USA
PC-Pine 4.05 mailer

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Robert Larmon wrote:

> Hi,
> Anyone have info on how to access a global_addressbook from a
Unix
> Server? I currently use PC-Pine 4.05, and I have been trying
> unsuccessfully to figure out if this is possible or not. I've read
all
> the docs I can find, haven't found anything, and I don't see a FAQ for
it.
> Can anyone tell me if it works, and if so, what to do? Docs that I
missed
> would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
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> ` PC Systems Analyst `
> ` USC Law School Computing Services `
> ` [email protected] `
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Hi,

not that I've tried it, but there seems to be an ANONYMOUS option for IMAP
access, somehting like

imap.server.name/anonymous

but the server should support this. Maybe this gives a possibility for the
global addressbook. I read about this in the Release notes, the Online
help or maybe the http://www.washington.edu/pine-resource.

Good Luck,

-Michael

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> We have a staff member asking about how many e-mail addresses that he
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> that? Any help will be much appreciated.

No "practical" limit. However, if they intend to put a large number of
recipients and a small message then they should be made aware that most
folks will find it annoying to have to page down the list to read the
message. Best to investigate the Lcc: field in this case.

Ed

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Hi,

<> No "practical" limit. However, if they intend to put a large number of
<> recipients and a small message then they should be made aware that most
<> folks will find it annoying to have to page down the list to read the
<> message. Best to investigate the Lcc: field in this case.

this brings me to the questions what's the difference between a "Bcc" and
a "Lcc" field?

-Michael

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> this brings me to the questions what's the difference between a "Bcc" and
> a "Lcc" field?

The "Lcc:" will display a comment field. The comment field may contain the
name of "list" rather than all of the people on the list.

The "Bcc:" field never gets displayed. Also, on some systems if you send a
message with no To: or Cc: but only a Bcc: the originating MTA will cause
the names to be revealed. Not nice..when you consider that "B" means
"Blind".

Regards,
Ed

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Hello:

I have compiled version 4.04 of pine with LDAP support. We have
AltaVista Directory 98 LDAP Server set up for testing. I can connect
to the server and get name information, but I can not get the email
address information. I can use Outlook 98 and see all of the information
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to fix it?

Thank you

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what is the difference between remote collection, and incoming folders?

Aaron S. Hawley
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I have moved from pine v3.95 to v4.04, and am suddenly having problems with
the way pine is handling my #mh folders. I have 2 problems, one is an
annoyance, while the other is a killer. The problem is identical on all 7
OS 'flavors' that we currently run, and so must be a 'pine' problem.

The minor problem is in the 'FOLDER LIST' display:

In v3.95, I was shown all the folders names in a single column, and no
'directories' were displayed, as follows:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folder-collection <local Mail> ** Default for Saves ** (Local)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sent-mail
helpdesk
products
remedy
uas

In v4.04, I see not only the folder names, but also the 'directories' where
the messages are stored, as follows:

Local folders in #mh/
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sent-mail sent-mail/ inbox/ helpdesk
helpdesk/ products products/ remedy
remedy/ uas uas/

The major problem may be related, and is also in the 'FOLDER LIST' display:

In v3.95, I have no problem using 'A' to add a folder name to my mh folder
collection.

In v4.04, when I try to add a new mh folder (or a new mh 'directory', I get
the following errors:

Folder name to add : xxx
^G Help ^X Create Directory
^C Cancel Ret Accept

[Can't create #mh/xxx: invalid name]

Directory name to add : xxx
^G Help ^X Create Folder
^C Cancel Ret Accept

[Can't create #mh/xxx/: invalid name]

Do I need to change something I do in my configuration, or is this a problem
with the new pine code?

Mike Stolz (Unix Application Support Group, Fermi Nat'l Accelerator Lab)
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> what is the difference between remote collection, and incoming folders?

In Unix parlance, a remote folder collection maps to a *directory* on a
single remote mail server, potentially containing many individual
mail folders/files; whereas each incoming folder specification maps
to an individual mailbox file, each on potentially different servers.

-teg

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I am not able to cut and paste when i am with in pine
Any suggestions on how I can make it possible.

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Can anyone tell me how to export e-mail to my computer? I have read
everything there is to read but I still don't know how to export or save
mail to my computer drive. When I hit "E", it asks for the name of the
folder. It doesn't matter what I type because when all is said and done,
the e-mail is not on my computer drive. I have also gone into configure
setup, but if I'm supposed to change one of the settings, I don't know
which setting to change or how to change the setting. If it matters, I
am on a unix host, using a Macintosh. I would be eternally grateful if
someone can help me solve this problem because I've also asked the
sysadmin, our tech support, and anyone else I can think of.

Sandra Berger

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I assume you are using a terminal emulator on your Mac, and
you rlogin or telnet to the Unix host, then start Pine. So
you are using UNIX pine. And your problem is that you want
to put files on your Mac hard drive.

The filename that you type in "Export" is a file name on the Unix machine.
If your Mac is networked to the Unix machine, and your hard drive
is a mounted file system on the Unix machine, then there should be a Unix
path to your Mac hard drive. You need to give a full path name
to your disk, and/or modify your pine folder path to point to your
Mac drive.

If your disk is not mounted on the Unix host, then you need to
download the file to your Mac.

With the Pine "export" command, pine gives you the option:

^V Downld Msg

This will activate the "download-command" and "download-command-prefix"
from your pine setup.

I use "download-command=umodem -sb" since umodem/xmodem is all I have
available on both my terminal and unix host. When I do an export while using a
terminal emulator, I first type in pine "e" for export, then "^V" for
download, then activate my terminal emulator's "xmodem" download command.

Talk to your sysadmin about what kind of download programs you have available
on your unix and Mac systems.

If your Mac is networked to your unix host (i.e. not dialup), but your disk
isn't mounted, then there are probably better download commands (maybe make a
unix script that uses FTP or rcp, and takes it input from the standard
input?).

Good luck.

Jeff

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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, SandyMike wrote:

> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:54:36 +0100
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> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: How to Export
>
> Can anyone tell me how to export e-mail to my computer? I have read
> everything there is to read but I still don't know how to export or save
> mail to my computer drive. When I hit "E", it asks for the name of the
> folder. It doesn't matter what I type because when all is said and done,
> the e-mail is not on my computer drive. I have also gone into configure
> setup, but if I'm supposed to change one of the settings, I don't know
> which setting to change or how to change the setting. If it matters, I
> am on a unix host, using a Macintosh. I would be eternally grateful if
> someone can help me solve this problem because I've also asked the
> sysadmin, our tech support, and anyone else I can think of.
>
> Sandra Berger
>
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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote:

> I am not able to cut and paste when i am with in pine
> Any suggestions on how I can make it possible.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> tito thomas.

I assume this is within an xterm and enable-mouse-in-xterm is probably
enabled. This means that you need to hold the shift key down while doing
copy or paste, otherwise, it will just move the cursor.

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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Cary Burnette wrote:

>
> Hello:
>
> I have compiled version 4.04 of pine with LDAP support. We have
> AltaVista Directory 98 LDAP Server set up for testing. I can connect
> to the server and get name information, but I can not get the email
> address information. I can use Outlook 98 and see all of the information
> on the LDAP server. Has anyone seen this problem and know of any steps
> to fix it?
I'm not familiar with Altavista LDAP and Outlook, but it sounds like
either they use a different attribute name than 'mail' to denote the
email address or you have access control permissions that do not allow
you to view the 'mail' attribute. If the former is the case, you can
change the "mail" on 5507 of pine/buildaddr.c to something else. I
really doubt this is the problem.

Otherwise, investigate your LDAP access control, see if you can do a
verbose log on the Altavista side and the Pine side (hit '9' on the main
screen) during a pine lookup. Do the same with an Outlook lookup.
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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote:

> I am not able to cut and paste when i am with in pine
> Any suggestions on how I can make it possible.
Have you selected enable-mouse-in-xterm

I have had same problem in xterm on Solaris 2.6 with Pine 4 including
4.05 but not 3.96. If enable-mouse-in-xterm is selected and I am using
/usr/openwin/bin/xterm I am able to move the cursor with the mouse but I
am not able to select or insert text with the mouse.

I am able to use the mouse properly in dtterm /usr/dt/bin/dtterm and
with Pine 3.96
-Mike
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I think I have found the problem as to why global addressbooks and
signature files on remote systems have not been able to be accessed from
PC-Pine. IT is because PC-Pine has been compiled to look for signature
files, and addressbook files in the same directory as your
PINERC(personal pine configuration file) is located. So essentially you
are going to have to put your PINERC file on the remote directory.
Warning this is a theory, not tried and tested to work. Cause currently I
don't have time to mess with that right now. Saving it for a rainy day.

Good luck
aaron

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I think I found some things you should look at to fix the handling of your
folders in the new version.

folder-sort-rule =
Set Rule Values
--- ----------------------
(*) alphabetical
( ) alpha-with-dirs-last
( ) alpha-with-dirs-first

[ ] single-column-folder-list

good luck
aaron

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Michael Stolz wrote:

>
> I have moved from pine v3.95 to v4.04, and am suddenly having problems with
> the way pine is handling my #mh folders. I have 2 problems, one is an
> annoyance, while the other is a killer. The problem is identical on all 7
> OS 'flavors' that we currently run, and so must be a 'pine' problem.
>
> The minor problem is in the 'FOLDER LIST' display:
>
> In v3.95, I was shown all the folders names in a single column, and no
> 'directories' were displayed, as follows:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Folder-collection <local Mail> ** Default for Saves ** (Local)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> sent-mail
> helpdesk
> products
> remedy
> uas
>
> In v4.04, I see not only the folder names, but also the 'directories' where
> the messages are stored, as follows:
>
> Local folders in #mh/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> sent-mail sent-mail/ inbox/ helpdesk
> helpdesk/ products products/ remedy
> remedy/ uas uas/
>
> The major problem may be related, and is also in the 'FOLDER LIST' display:
>
> In v3.95, I have no problem using 'A' to add a folder name to my mh folder
> collection.
>
> In v4.04, when I try to add a new mh folder (or a new mh 'directory', I get
> the following errors:
>
> Folder name to add : xxx
> ^G Help ^X Create Directory
> ^C Cancel Ret Accept
>
> [Can't create #mh/xxx: invalid name]
>
> Directory name to add : xxx
> ^G Help ^X Create Folder
> ^C Cancel Ret Accept
>
> [Can't create #mh/xxx/: invalid name]
>
> Do I need to change something I do in my configuration, or is this a problem
> with the new pine code?
>
> Mike Stolz (Unix Application Support Group, Fermi Nat'l Accelerator Lab)
> - ([email protected]) - 9/25/98
>
>
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have you tried Ctrl + Shift C and Ctrl + Shift V ?

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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Sean Farley wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > I am not able to cut and paste when i am with in pine
> > Any suggestions on how I can make it possible.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > tito thomas.
>
> I assume this is within an xterm and enable-mouse-in-xterm is probably
> enabled. This means that you need to hold the shift key down while doing
> copy or paste, otherwise, it will just move the cursor.

Thanks for this info. Does anyone know why this change was made between
3.96 and 4?
-Mike
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I beilve the change was made in selecting enable-mouse-in-xterm as default
on, because having to hit shift button was the reason I stopped using
enable-mouse-in-xterm in 3.96

On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Michael Thomas Cope wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Sean Farley wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > I am not able to cut and paste when i am with in pine
> > > Any suggestions on how I can make it possible.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > tito thomas.
> >
> > I assume this is within an xterm and enable-mouse-in-xterm is probably
> > enabled. This means that you need to hold the shift key down while doing
> > copy or paste, otherwise, it will just move the cursor.
>
> Thanks for this info. Does anyone know why this change was made between
> 3.96 and 4?
> -Mike
>

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This may not be quite the right forum for this, but it is essentially a
question about pine and I don't know who else to ask. I have the same
problems as the earlier writers. I've found that I can cut and paste from
xterm to another window (Solaris 2.6 OpenWindows) only if capslock is on.
Now, how does it really work? There has to be something I don't know
about. Also, turning on capslock (or using shift) turns off cursor
movement in pine. There has to be a better way!

Michael Cope suggested use of dtterm. That works if you only want to cut
and paste, but I couldn't figure out how to get cursor movement in pine
under dtterm.

I hope someone knows the answers to these questions because a lot of us
seem to be wondering!

Mike

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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Michael Thomas Cope <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > I am not able to cut and paste when i am with in pine
> > Any suggestions on how I can make it possible.
> Have you selected enable-mouse-in-xterm
>
> I have had same problem in xterm on Solaris 2.6 with Pine 4 including
> 4.05 but not 3.96. If enable-mouse-in-xterm is selected and I am using
> /usr/openwin/bin/xterm I am able to move the cursor with the mouse but I
> am not able to select or insert text with the mouse.
>
> I am able to use the mouse properly in dtterm /usr/dt/bin/dtterm and
> with Pine 3.96

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Mike,

> This may not be quite the right forum for this, but it is essentially a
> question about pine and I don't know who else to ask. I have the same
> problems as the earlier writers. I've found that I can cut and paste from
> xterm to another window (Solaris 2.6 OpenWindows) only if
> capslock is on.
> Now, how does it really work? There has to be something I don't know
> about. Also, turning on capslock (or using shift) turns off cursor
> movement in pine. There has to be a better way!
>
> Michael Cope suggested use of dtterm. That works if you only want to cut
> and paste, but I couldn't figure out how to get cursor movement in pine
> under dtterm.
>
> I hope someone knows the answers to these questions because a lot of us
> seem to be wondering!

This comes under the head of "you can't have it both ways".

Esentially you have a situation where you need to use the same keys (mouse
keys) to interact in different ways with different levels of SW. In one
case you need to translate the mouse keys to actions by the window
management SW (xterm) in the second case the mouse key information needs to
be passed to the application (pine). How to indicate which software gets
the key information? The solution, in this case, was to send the key data
along with the "shift" status indication. i.e. Shift-on or Shift-off.

Hope this helps.

Ed

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Got 4.05 compiled, and all of a sudden, I get this:

[Mailbox vulnerable - directory must have 1777 protection]

Only thing that changed was the version of pine. ANybody know what this is
about? I don't particularly care for the idea of 777 perms on my mail
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-Ian

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I have noticed that since I've been using 4.x, there is permanently a
message in the mail queue. This is causing all kinds of problems with
anything that relies on the presence of messages in the queue (mail flags,
procmail, etc.)

Why is Pine leaving a message there, and are there any plans to wring out
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look at other archived messages in the past month from this mailing list
at http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/

i've had the same problem with PC-Pine and I can't even get rid of that
error message no matter what I do. You can even check this option:

[ ] quell-lock-failure-warnings

but i still et the warnings. we have to figure this out! we need more
info Pine Development team on how to fix this! or maybe it can't be fixed
like they keep telling us because pine doesn't work well with permissions.

Aaron

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote:

>
> Got 4.05 compiled, and all of a sudden, I get this:
>
> [Mailbox vulnerable - directory must have 1777 protection]
>
> Only thing that changed was the version of pine. ANybody know what this is
> about? I don't particularly care for the idea of 777 perms on my mail
> folder.
>
> -Ian
>
>
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> [Mailbox vulnerable - directory must have 1777 protection]
>
> Only thing that changed was the version of pine. ANybody know what this is
> about? I don't particularly care for the idea of 777 perms on my mail
> folder.

This protection is needed because of the lock file created when pine is
extecuted. The lock file role is to avoid any damage to the real inbox
mail file belonging to the user name. The system administrator should set
the mail folder to: chmod 1777 mail
The latter action will remove the message "Mailbox vulnerable" forever.
Note that the latter does not allow the users to read other users
message files, it does only allow the users to write and create their own
belonging files into the mail directory.
-Tawfik
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well, I set the permissions on my mail directory to 1777, and it's still
whining at me.

Note to the developers: This was fine in 4.00-4.04, what did you do to
4.05 to break it?

-Ian

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Hello !!!

Let's suppose you want to write a Subject which would be veeeerrrrryyyyyy
long. For instance:

Subject: [Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
[snip]

(you know what I mean, right?) and you want to send this mail to someone.
First thing that would happen is, that Pine 3.96 coudn't send it. And when
you'll try to close Pine 3.96 it will send an Abort Signal.
I haven't tested this in new versions. But if it's present also in these
new versions, then it should be fixed ASAP.

Bye.

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> well, I set the permissions on my mail directory to 1777, and it's still
> whining at me.

I guess you did change the permissions in your directory
(/home/login_name/mail). That is not the case, you (or the system
administrator) should change the permission in the directory where all the
users INBOX files are stored, most probably at /var/spool/mail
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote:

> I have noticed that since I've been using 4.x, there is permanently a
> message in the mail queue. This is causing all kinds of problems with
> anything that relies on the presence of messages in the queue (mail flags,
> procmail, etc.)
>
> Why is Pine leaving a message there, and are there any plans to wring out
> this bug?

Ian,

Please take a look at Pine FAQ #3.14 at:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq

Regards,
Kris
--
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Is it just me, or why would you want to have a
subject line that long? A subject line is a
a little description of what the email is. If
you need a subject line that long, then you
need to include it as part of the message.

I'm assuming by veeeeerrrrrryyyyyy long you
are including all those lines of Frank N. Stein. and
not just one line.

George Gallen
[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: Iztok Polanic [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 3:30 PM
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: BUG!

Hello !!!

Let's suppose you want to write a Subject which would be
veeeerrrrryyyyyy
long. For instance:

Subject: [Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
[snip]

(you know what I mean, right?) and you want to send this mail to
someone.
First thing that would happen is, that Pine 3.96 coudn't send it. And
when
you'll try to close Pine 3.96 it will send an Abort Signal.
I haven't tested this in new versions. But if it's present also in these
new versions, then it should be fixed ASAP.

Bye.

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I'm using pine 4.04 in an xterm on RedHat linux 5.1, but the same
problem existed with Pine 4.02, and probably earlier.

When I access the help screens, there are instances of "&qquote;"
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Any idea what I need to do to fix this?

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Hi George,
No, it's not just you! :) those veeeeeerrry long lines belong in the
message body.
Iztok, are your complaining about multiple (veerrry large receipiants)?

Try Subject = "ALOT(s) of GoOd StUfF from Frank N Stein
then CC your list
or Bcc your listers
or Lcc your group
else add that to the message body.
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, George Gallen wrote:
-=se=-
-------------------------------

Is it just me, or why would you want to have a
subject line that long? A subject line is a
a little description of what the email is. If
you need a subject line that long, then you
need to include it as part of the message.

I'm assuming by veeeeerrrrrryyyyyy long you
are including all those lines of Frank N. Stein. and
not just one line.

George Gallen
[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: Iztok Polanic [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 3:30 PM
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: BUG!

Hello !!!

Let's suppose you want to write a Subject which would be
veeeerrrrryyyyyy
long. For instance:

Subject: [Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
<[email protected]>[Message #30] From: "Frank N. Stein"
[snip]

(you know what I mean, right?) and you want to send this mail to
someone.
First thing that would happen is, that Pine 3.96 coudn't send it. And
when
you'll try to close Pine 3.96 it will send an Abort Signal.
I haven't tested this in new versions. But if it's present also in these
new versions, then it should be fixed ASAP.

Bye.

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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Tawfik Daoud wrote:

> > well, I set the permissions on my mail directory to 1777, and it's still
> > whining at me.
>
> I guess you did change the permissions in your directory
> (/home/login_name/mail). That is not the case, you (or the system
> administrator) should change the permission in the directory where all the
> users INBOX files are stored, most probably at /var/spool/mail
> -Tawfik

let me get this straight. they want me to set a SYSTEM-WIDE mail folder
world-writable and readable?.

I'm not sure what these guys are smoking, but it must be good and I want
some. That is a security hole big enough to drive a semi through.

-Ian

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OK, all of a sudden I'm getting list mail in duplicate. Is anyone else
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does pine ask you to reply to all recipients? well mine does.
and others does too. that means that in cases of email lists like Pine
Discussion forum. the message is sent to you as to
[email protected], but is from whoever person sent the message.
thus when you reply to all recipients, you send the messgae to the person
who sent the message and to the pine discussion forum so everyone gets the
message. this is so that the person that actually sent the message
actually gets the message. usually reply to all recipients involves
messages sent from email addresses that got a CC(carbon copy) from
someone else, and makes the From: variable equal who orgiinally sent the
message. you get it? probably not. i sucked at explaining this. anyone
else want to help. i couldn't find much info about reply to all
recipients at the pine information center at university of washington.

Aaron S. Hawley
[email protected]
802.656.7396
http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley
University of Vermont
Home: Vergennes, VT, USA
PC-Pine 4.05 mailer

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote:

>
> OK, all of a sudden I'm getting list mail in duplicate. Is anyone else
> getting this problem?
>
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

> does pine ask you to reply to all recipients? well mine does.
> and others does too. that means that in cases of email lists like Pine
> Discussion forum. the message is sent to you as to

Ah, I just noticed this. Most other mailing lists put the list address in
the Reply-to: line. I can see how this would cause duplicates.

-Ian

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how can i have pine prompt for user-id and personal name, but use the same
same setting such as inbox location and folder locations and other feature
settings. this way anybody can use pine from one computer. cause at my
school, most people use pine over terminal, and it sucks. so everyone has
the same settings and folders. but it would be cool if pc-pine could be
put on any computer and still be able to use anyone.

here's a suggestion for the pine development team about PC-Pine that is
related to my question above. anyone else agree it would be cool?

how about you can have after the command line pine.exe for pc-pine -p
or -pinerc and instead of adding a file don't put anything, or put a '?'
and that will cause it to ask you for a name for a new pinerc file. this
would be cool so that people can easily start up a new pc-pine
configuration on a single computer, by simply clicking a shortcut that
says pine.exe - p ?. is this a good idea? also perhaps
you great thinkers could come up with a system to name pinerc
files for different users when these multiple files will be in the same
directory. like pinerc.username or pinerc_username., etc. i just thought
it would be cool. then perhaps make a shortcut setting up the correct
direction to the person's pinerc file. and then that shortcut could be
called Shortcut to "username's" Pine, or something. I just thought this
would be cool. Cause it's a pain in the ass (sort of, i'm lazy) to do
all that for each person. Maybe this is more complex and involved with
the windows interface then you want it to be. i don't know. it would be
cool though. hopefully you guys catch my drift. but think of something
cool like what i just said, and even do better.

Aaron S. Hawley
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University of Vermont
Home: Vergennes, VT, USA
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No, you don't have it straight. PLEASE read the release notes. The
spool *directory* should be 1777, mail folders should be 600.

-teg

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Tawfik Daoud wrote:
>
> > > well, I set the permissions on my mail directory to 1777, and it's still
> > > whining at me.
> >
> > I guess you did change the permissions in your directory
> > (/home/login_name/mail). That is not the case, you (or the system
> > administrator) should change the permission in the directory where all the
> > users INBOX files are stored, most probably at /var/spool/mail
> > -Tawfik
>
> let me get this straight. they want me to set a SYSTEM-WIDE mail folder
> world-writable and readable?.
>
> I'm not sure what these guys are smoking, but it must be good and I want
> some. That is a security hole big enough to drive a semi through.
>
> -Ian
>
>
>

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After a little experimenting, Pine requires ~/mail to be 700, not 600.

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why can't the folder collections in pcpine showing in the setup/config
screen. in the setup/listCollection screen, you can't even delete the
setting to get rid of the default Local mail\ directory configuration?

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What about a front end program which asks for a user name, then
clears out a \tmp directory, copies all files from \pcpine\username
to the \tmp directory, have the -pinerc file point to \tmp for
the folders, when pc-pine is completed, it copies all files from
\tmp back to \pcpine\username.

Of course the above does have it's problems, what happens if pcpine
ends (for whatever reason) and the files don't get copied back.
There could stand to be a lot of lost mail.

George Gallen

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how can i have pine prompt for user-id and personal name, but use the
same
same setting such as inbox location and folder locations and other
feature
settings. this way anybody can use pine from one computer. cause at my
school, most people use pine over terminal, and it sucks. so everyone
has
the same settings and folders. but it would be cool if pc-pine could be
put on any computer and still be able to use anyone.

here's a suggestion for the pine development team about PC-Pine that is
related to my question above. anyone else agree it would be cool?

how about you can have after the command line pine.exe for pc-pine -p
or -pinerc and instead of adding a file don't put anything, or put a '?'
and that will cause it to ask you for a name for a new pinerc file.
this
would be cool so that people can easily start up a new pc-pine
configuration on a single computer, by simply clicking a shortcut that
says pine.exe - p ?. is this a good idea? also perhaps
you great thinkers could come up with a system to name pinerc
files for different users when these multiple files will be in the same
directory. like pinerc.username or pinerc_username., etc. i just
thought
it would be cool. then perhaps make a shortcut setting up the correct
direction to the person's pinerc file. and then that shortcut could be
called Shortcut to "username's" Pine, or something. I just thought this
would be cool. Cause it's a pain in the ass (sort of, i'm lazy) to do
all that for each person. Maybe this is more complex and involved with
the windows interface then you want it to be. i don't know. it would
be
cool though. hopefully you guys catch my drift. but think of something
cool like what i just said, and even do better.

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> After a little experimenting, Pine requires ~/mail to be 700, not 600.

It may work if your inbox file is included within your own directory
/home/login_name/mail. Most of the system operators keep the users mail
inbox folders seperately. But in your case if the mail inbox folder is
stored within your mail folder.
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> let me get this straight. they want me to set a SYSTEM-WIDE mail folder
> world-writable and readable?.
>
> I'm not sure what these guys are smoking, but it must be good and I want
> some. That is a security hole big enough to drive a semi through.

I have already told you in a previous mail that setting the
/var/spool/mail directory to 1777 does not mean that all files included
within that directory (INBOX files) inherit the same mode 1777. Still
users can create a lock file and read their own mail file, but not other
mail files.
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote:

> > > well, I set the permissions on my mail directory to 1777, and it's still
> > > whining at me.
> >
> > I guess you did change the permissions in your directory
> > (/home/login_name/mail). That is not the case, you (or the system
> > administrator) should change the permission in the directory where all the
> > users INBOX files are stored, most probably at /var/spool/mail
> > -Tawfik
>
> let me get this straight. they want me to set a SYSTEM-WIDE mail folder
> world-writable and readable?.
>
> I'm not sure what these guys are smoking, but it must be good and I want
> some. That is a security hole big enough to drive a semi through.

Ian:

Clearly you are not understanding something here.

The idea is to set the mail spool directory so that any user can create a
new file in it. This is needed so that Pine can write its lock file. And
mode 1777 does not mean world writeable, although it might look that way.
Mode 1777 means that any user can create/rename/delete (basically do
directory operations for) a file that is owned by that user. You can't do
these things to other people's files.

Individuals mailboxes should have the protections that they need to work
with your mail system -- ideally they are mode 600 (read/write by the
owner only).

I hope this clears things up for you.

<pulpit>
By the way: I think the bit about "what these guys are smoking" is
uncalled for. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean
you should be lashing out. Close your mouth/keyboard and listen to the
good advice of people who have been doing this for a long time.
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Hmmm.....

--On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 9:38 am -0400 Tim DiLauro <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ian:
>
> Clearly you are not understanding something here.

I actually think that something has been missed off the previous
discussions...

> The idea is to set the mail spool directory so that any user can create a
> new file in it. This is needed so that Pine can write its lock file. And
> mode 1777 does not mean world writeable, although it might look that way.
> Mode 1777 means that any user can create/rename/delete (basically do
> directory operations for) a file that is owned by that user. You can't do
> these things to other people's files.

This last sentence is true IF AND ONLY IF someone's mailbox exists.

Consider a mode 1777 /var/spool/mail and username abc1.

If abc1 has a /var/spool/mail/abc1 file owned by themself and protected 600
then things are hynky dory. As people have pointed out Pine (etc) can
create lock files in the /var/spool/mail directory and be happy.

The problem arises if abc1 does NOT have a /var/spool/mail/abc1. Then any
other user can create such a file themselves (and it will be owned by
them). Suppose naughty user xyz1 did this. That is:

/var/spool/mail/abc1 exists, is mode 600, but is owned by xyz1.

At worst mail for abc1 will continue to be delivered into
/var/spool/mail/abc1. However abc1 has no access to it, and xyz1 can
instead happily read it.

At best your final mail delivery software will refuse to write the incoming
mail into the /var/spool/mail/abc1 because it detects it is not owned by
the correct username. The result is xyz1 has caused a denial of (mail)
service for abc1.

I seem to recall that previous advice given on this list be Mark Crispin
(the Great Guru in these matters) gives a TWO-FOLD requirement for
invulnerability (possibly more: memory is hazy). Viz:

1. /var/spool/mail is 1777 (as already stated in previous threads)

2. Every user has a file present, and set up with correct owner and
mode, in /var/spool/mail

[2] has a hidden corollary: the file must not get deleted (otherwise you
are back in the dubious situation I describe above. Thus some mail clients
(eg, "mail"?) which delete a spool file when it becomes empty should be
discouraged or removed from user access.

You should also consider, of course, whether you want a 1777
/var/spool/mail directory with direct user access (eg, on user-accessible
disk). Usually /var/spool/mail doesn't have quotas enabled on it, which
would in effect mean that any use could places file/directories in it and
have an unlimited storage space akin to /tmp but without risk of files
being automatically deleted (unless you check for them!).

The way around the latter would be to have the mail spool disk as a local
mount on a mail server computer running an IMAP server. You then:
* Don't let users login to this system;
* Don't mount the mail spool disk elsewhere (eg, over NFS);
* Only give access to mail via IMAP.

> Individuals mailboxes should have the protections that they need to work
> with your mail system -- ideally they are mode 600 (read/write by the
> owner only).

Agreed.

As I say, I think the problem is that the preceding flurry of articles have
only been considering [1], with one party being aware of the consequential
problems and the other party (presumably) unaware or unconcerned ... hence
the name-calling etc.

Cheers,

Mike B-)
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Actually, IMHO I got a mild chuckle from that, *in addition* to learning
something that I didn't know before.
Isn't *that* the point?
Ummm...maybe I have it all wrong, but what was written didn't sound like
(look like) a flame.
This list has known flaming...serious cases of it in fact, and that post
didn't fit the category.
As always, just my $0.02 worth
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-Colin
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><pulpit>
>By the way: I think the bit about "what these guys are smoking" is
>uncalled for. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean
>you should be lashing out. Close your mouth/keyboard and listen to the
>good advice of people who have been doing this for a long time.
></pulpit>

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Hi All !

I have just subscribed to this mailing list .If anyone can please tell me
that what actually this list is meant for , i guess it will really be very
much beneficial for me. Though i have read the welcome message from
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I m getting some messages from this list....

Also i have certaain question regarding pine....can i ask them here ?

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Does anybody know of a way, using PINE, to only accept messages within a
certain size limit OR how to filter out messages from a specified
recipient.

Thanks,
Carmen Dennis

Mike Brudenell wrote:
>
> Hmmm.....
>
> --On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 9:38 am -0400 Tim DiLauro <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ian:
> >
> > Clearly you are not understanding something here.
>
> I actually think that something has been missed off the previous
> discussions...
>
> > The idea is to set the mail spool directory so that any user can create a
> > new file in it. This is needed so that Pine can write its lock file. And
> > mode 1777 does not mean world writeable, although it might look that way.
> > Mode 1777 means that any user can create/rename/delete (basically do
> > directory operations for) a file that is owned by that user. You can't do
> > these things to other people's files.
>
> This last sentence is true IF AND ONLY IF someone's mailbox exists.
>
> Consider a mode 1777 /var/spool/mail and username abc1.
>
> If abc1 has a /var/spool/mail/abc1 file owned by themself and protected 600
> then things are hynky dory. As people have pointed out Pine (etc) can
> create lock files in the /var/spool/mail directory and be happy.
>
> The problem arises if abc1 does NOT have a /var/spool/mail/abc1. Then any
> other user can create such a file themselves (and it will be owned by
> them). Suppose naughty user xyz1 did this. That is:
>
> /var/spool/mail/abc1 exists, is mode 600, but is owned by xyz1.
>
> At worst mail for abc1 will continue to be delivered into
> /var/spool/mail/abc1. However abc1 has no access to it, and xyz1 can
> instead happily read it.
>
> At best your final mail delivery software will refuse to write the incoming
> mail into the /var/spool/mail/abc1 because it detects it is not owned by
> the correct username. The result is xyz1 has caused a denial of (mail)
> service for abc1.
>
> I seem to recall that previous advice given on this list be Mark Crispin
> (the Great Guru in these matters) gives a TWO-FOLD requirement for
> invulnerability (possibly more: memory is hazy). Viz:
>
> 1. /var/spool/mail is 1777 (as already stated in previous threads)
>
> 2. Every user has a file present, and set up with correct owner and
> mode, in /var/spool/mail
>
> [2] has a hidden corollary: the file must not get deleted (otherwise you
> are back in the dubious situation I describe above. Thus some mail clients
> (eg, "mail"?) which delete a spool file when it becomes empty should be
> discouraged or removed from user access.
>
> You should also consider, of course, whether you want a 1777
> /var/spool/mail directory with direct user access (eg, on user-accessible
> disk). Usually /var/spool/mail doesn't have quotas enabled on it, which
> would in effect mean that any use could places file/directories in it and
> have an unlimited storage space akin to /tmp but without risk of files
> being automatically deleted (unless you check for them!).
>
> The way around the latter would be to have the mail spool disk as a local
> mount on a mail server computer running an IMAP server. You then:
> * Don't let users login to this system;
> * Don't mount the mail spool disk elsewhere (eg, over NFS);
> * Only give access to mail via IMAP.
>
> > Individuals mailboxes should have the protections that they need to work
> > with your mail system -- ideally they are mode 600 (read/write by the
> > owner only).
>
> Agreed.
>
> As I say, I think the problem is that the preceding flurry of articles have
> only been considering [1], with one party being aware of the consequential
> problems and the other party (presumably) unaware or unconcerned ... hence
> the name-calling etc.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike B-)
> --
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Hi,

The FreeBSD port of 4.05 is completed and is available for download
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ftp://ftp.freebsd.ady.ro/ports/pine/4.05/pine4.tar.gz
http://members.xoom.com/adyx/FreeBSD/ports/pine/4.05/pine4.tar.gz

Notice: I'm sorry to disappoint the Pine team but the "Received abort
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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Carmen Dennis wrote:

> Does anybody know of a way, using PINE, to only accept messages within a
> certain size limit OR how to filter out messages from a specified
> recipient.

AFAIK, Pine does not do this natively. This is the domain of mail
processors such as procmail. I can't remember the URL off the top of my
head, but there is a good FAQ on setting up filters using procmail.

-Ian

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:
: i am using pine 3.96 on unix at an isp.
: when spell checking a document, i find that even common
: words such as cheque ((just wish they were more common
: around here)) are missing. is there a way of extending
: the dictionary ((would even be nicer if several extensions
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: or at least selecting an OED version.
:
: for example the above did not like cheque or eg. which are
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Hi John,
Sorry, no answer for you, but a conformation on spelling problems too.
I'm using PINE 3.95 (yea, I know, but our webmaster doesn't want to goto
4.x until the bugs settle down:(,
Anyway, I'm using VI & or VIM as spell-checker and it flashes by.. clears
the screen and says at the bottom spell-cheking done! *flash!* *boom*
My question is there a normal, defaulted spell-check for pine? like ED or
EDIT, VI or VIM etc.. that is suppose to work, no matter how small the
dictionary... (I understand I can ADD my own ~special~ spellings in my
home-file area - IF I can get the spell-checker to work or at least *slow
down*... :)

TIA
-=se=-
steve (I know I don't spell all that well, but need a dictionary:)ekwall
unix sun platform / pine 3.95 / home/~usr

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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, John Russell, VE3LL wrote:

:
: i am using pine 3.96 on unix at an isp.
: when spell checking a document, i find that even common
: words such as cheque ((just wish they were more common
: around here)) are missing. is there a way of extending
: the dictionary ((would even be nicer if several extensions
: could be switched between eg. medical, engineering, and history))
: or at least selecting an OED version.
:
: for example the above did not like cheque or eg. which are
: common enough. admittedly isp and OED should flag
:
: john russell [email protected]
:

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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Carmen Dennis wrote:

> Does anybody know of a way, using PINE, to only accept messages within a
> certain size limit OR how to filter out messages from a specified
> recipient.
>
> Thanks,
> Carmen Dennis
>
Pine does not do filtering.
http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/
number 4.12

I would suggest using procmail available from
ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/

For some good infomation see
http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/

We use procmail at Harvey Mudd for home directory delivery of mail (which
eliminates the 1777 question and allows us to give users a quota on one
fewer filesystem). The procmail install docs detail how to do this.
It can also be run individually from a .forward file.
-Mike
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See FAQ 4.4 at http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/
Spell checking is done by an outside program, most commonly spell
or ispell on unix. You can likely add to the dictionary on a per user or
systemwide basis. Consult your system administrator, (not webmaster, even
if it's the same person it's a different job).

I'm not sure about specifying different dictionaries per message but you
can certainly start-up pine with different config files with the -p
command line switch.

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Steve Ekwall wrote:

> Hi John,
> Sorry, no answer for you, but a conformation on spelling problems too.
> I'm using PINE 3.95 (yea, I know, but our webmaster doesn't want to goto
> 4.x until the bugs settle down:(,
> Anyway, I'm using VI & or VIM as spell-checker and it flashes by.. clears
> the screen and says at the bottom spell-cheking done! *flash!* *boom*
> My question is there a normal, defaulted spell-check for pine? like ED or
> EDIT, VI or VIM etc.. that is suppose to work, no matter how small the
> dictionary... (I understand I can ADD my own ~special~ spellings in my
> home-file area - IF I can get the spell-checker to work or at least *slow
> down*... :)
>
> TIA
> -=se=-
> steve (I know I don't spell all that well, but need a dictionary:)ekwall
> unix sun platform / pine 3.95 / home/~usr
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, John Russell, VE3LL wrote:
>
> :
> : i am using pine 3.96 on unix at an isp.
> : when spell checking a document, i find that even common
> : words such as cheque ((just wish they were more common
> : around here)) are missing. is there a way of extending
> : the dictionary ((would even be nicer if several extensions
> : could be switched between eg. medical, engineering, and history))
> : or at least selecting an OED version.
> :
> : for example the above did not like cheque or eg. which are
> : common enough. admittedly isp and OED should flag
> :
> : john russell [email protected]
> :
>
>
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> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
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>

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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Nayan Jain wrote:

> Hi All !
>
> I have just subscribed to this mailing list .If anyone can please tell me
> that what actually this list is meant for , i guess it will really be very
> much beneficial for me. Though i have read the welcome message from
> listproc, but still.....
>
> I m getting some messages from this list....
>
> Also i have certaain question regarding pine....can i ask them here ?
I can't speak for the group, so let me give my opinion.
<opinion>
This seems to be a good place for pine questions, people
appreciate relatively hard questions that could not be solved by the
questioner in a few minutes of fruitful searching.

Good places to go first are:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/
the on-line help (press ? at main screen)
your local system administrator and fellow users

You probably won't be flamed for posting off topic questions or FAQ's
unless your comments are derogattory.
</opinion>

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