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Subject: Re: Trouble logging on to UNIX host to access remote INBOX from PC-pine
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> Jared Lazzaro <[email protected]> writes:

> I am having trouble logging onto my remote UNIX computer, where my
> inbox is located. I am trying to set up PC-pine but I am unable to
> access any remote folders on my remote unix. If you could be of any
> help, with suggestions, or ANY ideas, please respond. I would like
> to resolve this issue.

Sure.
1) What's your exact syntax in the config file.
2)What's the error message.
3) Check <http://www.dejanews.com/>, this issue has been tackled at
least 3 times this week, so there should be a solution.

Good luck,
Robin

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I can't connect to my remote inbox on a UNIX from PC-Pine.

Here are my "UNIX-Pine" settings. They work fine:
personal-name = Jared Lazzaro
user-domain = <Value is Fixed: using "colby.edu">
smtp-server = <Value is Fixed: using "mail-hub.colby.edu">
nntp-server = <Value is Fixed: using "nntp.colby.edu">
inbox-path = <No Value Set: using "inbox">
folder-collections = <No Value Set: using "mail/[]">
news-collections = <No Value Set: using
"*{nntp.colby.edu/nntp}[]">

Here are my PC-Pine settings. It can't open "INBOX" but it will read
news(nntp) folders fine:
personal-name = Jared Lazzaro
user-id = jplazzar
user-domain = colby.edu
smtp-server = mail-hub.colby.edu
nntp-server = nntp.colby.edu
inbox-path = {colby0.colby.edu/user=jplazzar}inbox
folder-collections = {colby0.colby.edu/user=jplazzar}~/mail/[]
news-collections = <No Value Set: using
"*{nntp.colby.edu/nntp}[]">

I get the following chunk written to the pinedebug file:
Context {colby0.colby.edu/user=jplazzar}~/mail/[] type: REMOTE
Context {colby0.colby.edu/user=jplazzar}~/mail/[] type: REMOTE
Context *{nntp.colby.edu/nntp}[] type: REMOTE BBOARD OLDTECH
About to open folder "inbox" inbox: "inbox"
IMAP 12:48:20 5/1 mm_log ERROR: Can't connect to host-00.colby.edu,143:
Refused (10061)
IMAP 12:48:20 5/1 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context:
C:\intruptd
- mailcap_free -

So, I guess the error is: "143: Refused (10061)"

could this be because the machine (colby0) which I usually telnet into, is
not set up to be an IMAP server? If this is the case, do I have any
alternatives?

I appreciate your help.

Thanks again,
Jared

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Check this out:
<http://www.fiction.net/blong/programs/>

Hook it into the custom printer command or whatever and off you
go. Although I still prefer to killfile based on this context...

Later,
Robin

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Hello,

I would like to embed the c-written BASE64 filter in the pine source in a
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Thank you,

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Hello !!!

I have this in my Setup/Config:

character-set = ISO-8859-2

but when I type a message to someone my charachter set is changed in the
header:

charset=US-ASCII

Why is this happening???

Bye.

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Iztok Polanic <[email protected]> writes:

[char-set]
> but when I type a message to someone my charachter set is changed in the
> header:
>
> charset=US-ASCII

Hi,

have you tried to do some real weird things? Because ...

International Character Sets:
[...]

With the exception of UNICODE-1-1-UTF-7, the outgoing message is
checked to see if it is all US-ASCII text (and contains no escape
characters). In that case, the text will be labeled as US-ASCII even
if the character-set variable is set to something else. The theory is
that every reasonable character set will have US-ASCII as a subset,
and that it makes sense to label the text with the
lowest-common-denominator label so that more mailers will be able to
display it. Text in the UNICODE-1-1-UTF-7 character set is never
re-labelled as US-ASCII.

Seems to me that you should write 'strange looking' texts in order to
see your char-set :-)

hth, norbert.

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robin@sushi:/home/robin > uname -a
Linux sushi 2.0.33 #1 Sat Apr 11 14:34:06 MEST 1998 i586 unknown
robin@sushi:/home/robin > gcc -v
gcc version pgcc-2.90.27 980315 (egcs-1.0.2 release)

Same old ltermcap problem:

Compiling Troubles With S.u.S.E. Linux

With S.u.S.E. Linux, the libtermcap might not be found. For ease of
use, set a symlink in /usr/lib to the libtermcap, which is called
ltermcap.

Then change STDLIBS= -ltermcap to STDLIBS=/usr/lib/ltermcap in
/pine/makefile.lnx and /pico/makefile.lnx and compile.

Otherwise smooth build, runs great. I used -mpentium -O6.

Robin

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Hallo, I would like to ask you if there is any way of using
internet browsers by having access to pine only, because my
local administrators let me use only pine. I'll appreciate
your help.

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> Martin Nestorov <[email protected]> writes:

> Hallo, I would like to ask you if there is any way of using internet
> browsers by having access to pine only, because my local administrators
> let me use only pine.

No. You would need to have access to your config files and you certainly
don't have that because otherwise you could enable suspend. Talk to
your admin and have him give you access to a webbrowser.

Robin

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Although you don't supply many details about your situation, you might
want to try the following. At the point where you normally type "pine",
type "lynx" instead. Lynx is a text-based web browser often associated
with Pine, and your admin may have it on the system. If not, you're no
worse off than at present!

Best regards from Tahoe, Bill

On Sat, 9 May 1998, Martin Nestorov wrote:

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>
> Hallo, I would like to ask you if there is any way of using
> internet browsers by having access to pine only, because my
> local administrators let me use only pine. I'll appreciate
> your help.
>
>

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No, Pine cannot do anything other than read mail and news.
If you are prepared to learn to use a *really* fast browser, which is
*text only* no graphics nonsense, quit pine and when at the command prompt
do a:
$lynx
This will invoke lynx (if installed on your system) which is wickedly
fast. Get used to its interface, 'cos it sure aint Netscape or IE! But
that may solve your problem.
GL&HTH
-Colin.
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"Communications at the Speed of Life"

> Hallo, I would like to ask you if there is any way of using
> internet browsers by having access to pine only, because my
> local administrators let me use only pine. I'll appreciate
> your help.
>
>

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Hello !!!

What is Lcc???

Bye.

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Iztok Polanic <[email protected]> writes:

> What is Lcc???

List Carbon Copy, also send a cc of your message to a mailing
list. Newer versions of sendmail also allow to only write an 'Lcc: '
without a 'To:' line, afaik [i].

hth, norbert, desperately searching for sigdashes "^-- $" in your
message.

Footnotes:
[i] Adam, please correct me here, if I'm mistaken.

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Now I can join WEIGHT WATCHERS!

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=09Hi gurus,

=09I have a problem since any days and I can't find
=09any solution. On only "one" account, when I send
=09a mail, I get the error message :=20
sendsig: can't grow stack, pid 15223, proc pine, sig 11, pc 0x120104aec
Segmentation fault

=09I'm in Pine version 3.96 which works normally very fine.
=09I can send a mail from all the others accounts on my
=09alpha, It works except for one user ??
=09I tried many things : delete all .pine*** files,
=09rename mail and nsmail directories, remove /usr/var/spool/myuser

=09All help is welcome

=09TIA

=09Jean

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This person has been contacted off-list to resolve the issue.

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On Mon, 11 May 1998, ing.Bubulac Angela Tatiana wrote:

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Hello !!!

Can you give me some IDs from other mailling programs like:

Eudora
Outlook
Netscape Massenger
Tin
and some others

Tnx.
Bye.

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I just joined the list. I checked the recent archives but did not see
this issue discussed.

My problem is that much of hte world seems to be sending things in
ISO-8859-1 charactert set rather than US-ASCII, and, many simple
characters get mistranslated -- like the ' in Don't. The pine technical
notes tell me that my terminal emulator should be able to handle this
character set, but I have not cracked the code. When I open the same
message using Netscape Mail, it looks fine.

I have pine 3.96 on a Sun Sparcstation using operating system sunos 4.1.4.
I spawn pine from an xterm window. I have the lines listed below in my
mailcap file, but maybe there is something I should be filling in (like
"needsterminal").

Thanks in advance for any assistance,

Arthur Snoke

Lines from ~/doc/mailcap

# The following gives rudimentary capability for receiving
# text mail in the ISO-8859-1 character set, which covers many European
# languages, and the ISO-8859-8 character set, which includes Hebrew
# Note that the pipe to tr ensures that the "ISO" is case-insensitive.
# (This is also from metamail.)
text/plain; shownonascii iso-8859-8 %s; test=test "`echo %{charset} | tr
'[A-Z]'
'[a-z]'`" = iso-8859-8 -a -n "$DISPLAY" ; copiousoutput
text/plain; shownonascii iso-8859-8 %s | more ; test=test "`echo
%{charset} | tr
'[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`" = iso-8859-8; needsterminal
text/plain; shownonascii iso-8859-1 %s; test=test "`echo %{charset} | tr
'[A-Z]'
'[a-z]'`" = iso-8859-1 -a -n "$DISPLAY" ; copiousoutput
text/plain; shownonascii iso-8859-1 %s | more ; test=test "`echo
%{charset} | tr
'[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`" = iso-8859-1 ; needsterminal

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Is there a way to get pine to handle sun attachments?

I am using sunos, and friends who use mailtool may send me attachments and
I may send them attachments. When I get a sun attachment (characterized
by X-Sun... in its identifier) it is not understood by pine and just
appears as a text file embedded in the message.

I can guess that sending attachments to sun/mailtool may be impossible,
but I would hope there is a way to receive sun attachments within pine.

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Does what's described under '5.3 How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment
to MIME format?' at
http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/attachments.html#xtocid27410 help?

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On Mon, 11 May 1998, Arthur Snoke wrote:

AS} Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980511183508.20855A-100000@equake>
AS} From: Arthur Snoke <[email protected]>
AS} To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
AS} Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:39:56 -0400 (EDT)
AS} Subject: Handling Sun Attachments
AS}
AS} Is there a way to get pine to handle sun attachments?
AS}
AS} I am using sunos, and friends who use mailtool may send me attachments and
AS} I may send them attachments. When I get a sun attachment (characterized
AS} by X-Sun... in its identifier) it is not understood by pine and just
AS} appears as a text file embedded in the message.
AS}
AS} I can guess that sending attachments to sun/mailtool may be impossible,
AS} but I would hope there is a way to receive sun attachments within pine.
AS}
AS}

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Do you know an approxmative date of releasing pine 4.0?
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PinePGP is a group of scripts to use with the Pine email client and PGP
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>From: Norbert Koch <[email protected]>
>Date: 11 May 1998 09:33:05 +0200

>Footnotes:
>[i] Adam, please correct me here, if I'm mistaken.

": ;" was used to prevent some broken MTA's from putting the first, or all, of
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I wasn't using Sendmail till we got Linux on this system, so I'm no expert.
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>From: Rudolf Kompf <[email protected]>
>Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:27:33 +0200 (MET DST)

>Do you know an approxmative date of releasing pine 4.0?

To the next 399 people who will ask:

I know. I'm the only one who knows. But, I'm not telling you.

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then we'll have to tickle it out of you...muahahahaha

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On Wed, 13 May 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:23:32 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>
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>
> >From: Rudolf Kompf <[email protected]>
> >Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:27:33 +0200 (MET DST)
>
> >Do you know an approxmative date of releasing pine 4.0?
>
> To the next 399 people who will ask:
>
> I know. I'm the only one who knows. But, I'm not telling you.
>
>

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Hello everyone, I am currently trying to get Pc-Pine running in an NT
Environment geting mail fron an AIX pop and imap server and sending to
an AIX smtp server. My problem is that a) pc-pine in the precompiled
version keeps crashing very reliably for instance when you press ^T to get
the browser or when you try to logon when pine is started (refusing to logon
and login on later works). And b) that I can't seem to get any info on the
tools needed to compile pc-pine!

So I would be gratefull for any Information you might have concerning
experience with similar problems and most of all working solutions :)
I would also appreciate any Info you could send my way concerning compiling
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In the compose mode, Control X is being used for "send mail". However,
in the environment I am in Control X is being used to terminate the
LAT connection for the vt terminal. So, is there a way to define an
alternative Control key to do "send mail"? I know ESC
ESC X will work, but is not an acceptable solution here.

Thanks in advance.
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Does anyone know how to set the width that Pine uses to justify to
(permanently, if possible.)

Bryan

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Talent-Management writes:

> Does anyone know how to set the width that Pine uses to justify to
> (permanently, if possible.)

Hi,

do you mean something like

composer-wrap-column

This option specifies an aspect of Pine's Composer. This gives the
maximum width that auto-wrapped lines will have. It's also the maximum
width of lines justified using the ^J Justify command. The normal
default is "74". The largest allowed setting is normally "80" in order
to prevent very long lines from being sent in outgoing mail. When the
mail is actually sent, trailing spaces will be stripped off of each
line.

(Setup/Config ...)

norbert.

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1/ I use the client Pine both with a PC and with OpenVMS on a VAX=20
does anyone know if it is possible, and how, to automatically receive
an advice of delivery after sending a message when the message has reached
its destination ?

2/ Is there a version of PINE running on OpenVMS / AXP ?

Thanks

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When will the long-promised attachment deletion capability be added to PINE? I
like to save a lot of email, but not necessarily all the (huge) attachments
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MORE ATTACHMENTS FROM A MESSAGE!

Microsoft Exchange can do it, why can't PINE? (That was a little motivational
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> Mark Stoelinga <[email protected]> writes:

> When will the long-promised attachment deletion capability be added
> to PINE? I like to save a lot of email, but not necessarily all the
> (huge) attachments that I have been getting more and more of. I
> NEED AN EASY WAY TO DELETE ONE OR MORE ATTACHMENTS FROM A MESSAGE!

UTSL, Mark: Free Software: Contribute nothing, expect nothing.

> Microsoft Exchange can do it, why can't PINE? (That was a little
> motivational dig.)

I think you kinda misspelled "I am a little whining twit", didn't you?

Yo, guys, could you put sigdashes in front of that, please?

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Greetings, I've recently installed a pine.conf.fixed file in order to
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Everything works reasonably well- except that when I invoke the
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If anyone has an idea, I'd much appreciate hearing what it is. (already
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On 18 May 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> > Microsoft Exchange can do it, why can't PINE? (That was a little
> > motivational dig.)
>
> I think you kinda misspelled "I am a little whining twit", didn't you?

Yes, thank you for catching that embarassing error. Have a nice day!

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On Mon, 18 May 1998, Mark Stoelinga wrote:

> When will the long-promised attachment deletion capability be added to PINE? I
> like to save a lot of email, but not necessarily all the (huge) attachments
> that I have been getting more and more of. I NEED AN EASY WAY TO DELETE ONE OR
> MORE ATTACHMENTS FROM A MESSAGE!
>
> Microsoft Exchange can do it, why can't PINE? (That was a little motivational
> dig.)

We'll definitely get it in 4.00 then! (actually it is already there)

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This is my second day using Pine and i want to learn to use
him.Please,help me with some trics or some secrets.

THANK YOU!

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On Tue, 19 May 1998, Catalin Ioan wrote:

> This is my second day using Pine and i want to learn to use
> him.Please,help me with some trics or some secrets.
>
> THANK YOU!
>

hahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahaha
whoa
this was a good one

-greg-

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I just reread everything I could find on setting up and invoking an
alternate editor from pine- and have come up with nothing. To recap,
here's my problem:

I want to restrict certain commands from being executed by "email only"
users, so I've set up a pine.conf.fixed file with "/usr/bin/vi" fixed as
the alternate editor, which works perfectly until you want to go back to
pine. When you ZZ out of vi, your message is erased.

*Someone* has to have heard of this before... I'd really appreciate
some direction here. Anyone?

-=Jim Sander=-

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For those of you who have asked...

OS: FreeBSD 2.2.5, pine 3.95 (3.96 on some systems)

> I just reread everything I could find on setting up and invoking an
> alternate editor from pine- and have come up with nothing. To recap,
> here's my problem:
>
> I want to restrict certain commands from being executed by "email only"
> users, so I've set up a pine.conf.fixed file with "/usr/bin/vi" fixed as
> the alternate editor, which works perfectly until you want to go back to
> pine. When you ZZ out of vi, your message is erased.
>
> *Someone* has to have heard of this before... I'd really appreciate
> some direction here. Anyone?

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> greg <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Tue, 19 May 1998, Catalin Ioan wrote:

>> This is my second day using Pine and i want to learn to use
>> him.Please,help me with some trics or some secrets.

This list is supposed to be for technical problems, so you'd better
turn to:
<news://comp.mail.pine>

The canonical source of information:
Pine Information Center - <http://www.washington.edu/pine>

The pine docs in printable format:
<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine.html>

Some tips and tricks:
<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine-tips.html>

> hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha whoa this was a good one

Four letters for you, dipshit:

[x] FOAD

Robin

--
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Galileo was angry with the world. He wrote a new science.
You were angry with the world. You stuck a frankfurter up your ass.

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On Tue, 19 May 1998, Catalin Ioan wrote:

> This is my second day using Pine and i want to learn to use
> him.Please,help me with some trics or some secrets.
>
> THANK YOU!

I never knew tha Pine is a he :)
Read help file or press simply ? and you'll find all the secrets you want!

Bye.

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I've not tried it with pine yet, but there is a pretty standard
problem with some systems wherein ed, ex, and vi all exit with
non-zero status if an error occured at any time while editing (which
is quite common), even if the session `as a whole' went fine.

Some programs liek to check the return value of the editor to see if
there may have been a problem; pine may be falling prey to this
problem. A little experimentation should tell you if this is your
problem.

chad

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Thanks for the lead- I've just tried a couple quickie tests by setting
the editor to /usr/bin/false, and then to /usr/bin/true. Obviously neither
one let me edit my documents. (_that_ would be interesting) However, both
of them erased the message I was working on- so I think maybe there is
something else going on here.

Of course, my tests may have overlooked something... more ideas please?
General comments maybe? Lame attempts at humor?

Thanks all,
-=Jim=-

> I've not tried it with pine yet, but there is a pretty standard
> problem with some systems wherein ed, ex, and vi all exit with
> non-zero status if an error occured at any time while editing (which
> is quite common), even if the session `as a whole' went fine.
>
> Some programs liek to check the return value of the editor to see if
> there may have been a problem; pine may be falling prey to this
> problem. A little experimentation should tell you if this is your
> problem.

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At 10:37 1998/05/19 -0400, greg wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 19 May 1998, Catalin Ioan wrote:
>
>> This is my second day using Pine and i want to learn to use
>> him.Please,help me with some trics or some secrets.
>>
>> THANK YOU!
>>
>
>hahahahahahahahahahaha
>hahahahaha
>whoa
>this was a good one
>
>-greg-
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>
>You know every thing don't you?
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where is it possible to obtain the version 3.96 of Pine for PC ?

everytime I try to connect to ftp.cac.washington.edu
the connection is closed immediately by the remote host .

thanks a lot
=20

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>From: Antoine MERCADIE <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:57:46 +0100

>everytime I try to connect to ftp.cac.washington.edu
>the connection is closed immediately by the remote host

There's nothing wrong with the primary site. Likely, the problem is that you
can't establish a clear path to the other side of the world. Hence, there are
mirror sites. ftp to the closest host.

Here's the list:

Linkname: Pine: Mirror sites
URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/mirrors.html

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I'm sure many people have done this before, but I couldn't find it
anywhere, so thought I'd post my solution for converting pine addressbooks
to the .mailrc format.

barney

#
# Time-stamp: "98/05/21 16:57:19 bdalton"
#
# Copyright (C) 1998 Barney Dalton
#
# pine2mailrc - converts pine addressbook to mailrc format
#
# usage : pine2mailrc
# input : ~/.addressbook (hard coded)
# output: stdout pine aliases in .mailrc format

$addressin=$ENV{"HOME"}."/.addressbook";

if (!open(ADDRESSIN, $addressin))
{
print "\ncould not open $addressin\n";
exit 1;
}

@lines=();

while (<ADDRESSIN>)
{
chomp;
push @lines, $_;
}

while ( $entry=pop(@lines)) #read it backwards
{
while($entry =~ s/^ //) #continuation lines
{$entry = pop(@lines) . $entry;}

if ($entry !~ s/^\#/# /) #if its not a comment
{
($nickname, $fullname, $emailaddress, $fcc, $comments) = split /\t/, $entry;
$emailaddress =~ s/\"//;
if ($emailaddress =~ s/^$(.*)$$/\"$1\"/) # if group of emails
{
$emailaddress =~ s/,/\" \"/g; #subst commas for " "
}
else
{$emailaddress= "\"" . $emailaddress . "\"";} # surround with quotes
print "alias $nickname $emailaddress\n";
if ($fullname ne ""){print "\# Fullname=$fullname\n";}
if ($comments ne ""){print "\# Comment=$comments\n";}
if ($fcc ne ""){print "\# Fcc=$fcc\n";}

}
else #comment
{print "$entry\n";}
}

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> Barney Dalton <[email protected]> writes:

> I'm sure many people have done this before, but I couldn't find
> it anywhere, so thought I'd post my solution for converting pine
> addressbooks to the .mailrc format.

<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine-tips.html#pine2mailrc>

Ok?

Robin

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=09I had a general security problem with deleting my mailbox.
(sendmail could write to the mailbox a moment before another program
truncated the mailbox file).

=09The only solution was (as I managed to find) to create lock file
in the "/var/spool/mail" directory -- system flock() didn't work because
of setuid root sendmail.

=09I checked that PINE tries to create such lock file, but fails
because of lack of permission to write to /var/spool/mail directory.

Now the QUESTION:
the mailbox directory has such permissions:
drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 1024 May 19 19:07 mail/
to make PINE secure in locking mailbox the administrator must create such
permissions to pine:
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 1418564 Mar 9 19:59 /usr/bin/pine
^^^ ^^^^
As I checked in Slackware and RedHat (=3D=3D Linux) releases PINE does not =
have
such permissions.

Is it done because of "security hole" or mistake in creating packages.
Other words is PINE SECURE tool when run with setgid mail group by
ordinary users (especially when pine starts other programs as
childprocesses (if it does -- Im not a specialist in u**x programming.))

If you know the answer or have some suggestion I would be pleased if you
could send it to my address -- I am not permanent subscriber of this
mailing list.

TIA

=09=09=09=09=09Paul Ortyl

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Good evening. Has anyone been able to get PINE to see the Deleted and
Sent Items folders in Exchange? If so, what do you have in your pinerc
file that I apparently am missing (all I can see is the Inbox)? We are
trying to determine a way for dialup users who do not have much more
than a VT to access Exchange mail. If we could have them dial in via a
terminal server, log into an interactive session, and start PINE, which
would point to our Exchange server, we'd have part of the problem
licked.

--MauriceH

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> YANMIN <[email protected]> writes:

> Could you give me a list of the E-mail address of top fifty university
> in U.S.A.

Just out of curiosity - what makes you think the pine mailing list is
the right place for that? Pine is a Mail User Agent... *sigh*

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Would you kindly turn off this crap? Thank you very much in advance.

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Hello,
Currently I'm using pine as heavy-duty mailer, to handle
around 500 messages per day. I also use tenex mail-folder
format to speed up looks up.

Still I think one important feature is missing from this
heavy-duty setup. One of cool things of MH is that
it is abiltiy to do several read and composing at the
same time.

Thus the thing I would like to see in pine is:
-ability to run several copies simulatenously.

The features would be :

-ability to explictly tell pine to run in readonly
mode for *all* folders (the -o option works for
first folder only). and *disable* the compose option
(since otherwise the mail is sent but not saved
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-ability to run in rw mode w/ per-folder locking, so
that one pine at time can access folder as rw and
all other to it in ro mode.

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Can Pine automatically decode base64 or uuencoded or xxencoded files?

Aniruddha Shankar
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>From: Aniruddha Shankar <[email protected]>
>Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:24:44 +0530 (IST)

>Can Pine automatically decode base64

Yes; attachments are always Base 64 encoded. When attachments are received
encoded in Base 64, they are automatically decoded.

>or uuencoded or xxencoded files?

No; pipe through appropriate program. If standard MIME format, use MIME-aware
tools with proper setting in /etc/mailcap.

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I would like to have any information possible about a problem I am
having when using Pine (v. 3.96) on my DEC Alpha 3000/300
from a remote terminal. I seem to have no problem getting the pine
window, reading my mail and even composing a message. However, when I
choose to send that message using ^x, Pine always crashes. I get
an error message of the following type.

Stack overflow: pid 10257, proc pine, addr 0x11fdffff8, pc 0x3ff800d192c
Segmentation fault

Since pine closes uncleanly, I get no .pine-debug file. I have upgraded
from an earlier version of pine but the problem persists. If anyone has
any suggestions how to clean this up, I would be most appreciative
particularly as I will be away from my computer for much of the next
18 months (Pine works fine when I am at a local console).

Thanks in advance, Daniel Conley

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Please let me know how set up Pine so I get mail from a network pop3 mail
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for my password so it fails every time.

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> Eduardo Villasenor de Rivas <[email protected]> writes:

> Please let me know how set up Pine so I get mail from a network
> pop3 mail server to my unix workstation. I have tried it, but I
> do not get a request for my password so it fails every time.

You need a program to get the mail from the server. Try fetchmail or
popclient or whatever.

Robin

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On 27 May 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

>
> You need a program to get the mail from the server. Try fetchmail or
> popclient or whatever.
>

I would preffer fetchmail, because fetchpop isnt't going nowhere. The man
who programmed this is at sleep, I would say. :(

Bye.

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I am attempting to use Lcc for the first time and the To line comes out a
little weird. I asked my local help guy and he thought it was 'normal.'
I have included the exchange and relevant help text below. Who's right?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:08:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Kenneth C. Burns" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Forwarded mail....

Hi,

according to pine's help, when you use Lcc:, it will result in the full
name of your Pine Address Book list being placed on the To: line of the
message, using a "special notation that distinguishes it from a real
address". The colon-semicolon notation used to put the full-name of the
list on the To: line is a "special address format that doesn't specify
any actual addressees, but does give some information to the recipient of
the message."

So..what that means is that is the intended format that will be found
on the To: line if you use the Lcc: line. There is nothing wrong with
what you did, it is just how it works.

After typing in the alias in the Lcc: line, you can go up to the To:
line and delete what is automatically put there..but what that'll
result in is a To: line reading something like

Undisclosed recipients: ;;Undisclosed.recipients:;@[email protected];

which, to me, looks even worse.

Well, I hope that clears things up.

Thanks
-Kenny Burns
-Analyst/Consultant
-Information Technology

replying to:
>From [email protected] Tue May 26 20:44:42 1998
>To: Help <[email protected]>
>Subject: Forwarded mail....
>
>hi
>I am trying to use the Lcc comand in pine to send a List Carbon Copu to
>my students, but when I tried it out on the following test list, I had a
>very wierd To: line on the message. What went wrong?
>
>thanks
>
>
>Nickname : testlist
>Fullname : Test List
>Fcc :
>Comment :
>Addresses : hi <[email protected]>,
> moron <[email protected]>,
> [email protected]
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:41:28 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Timothy O'Brien <[email protected]>
>To: Test List: ;Test List:;Test List:;@[email protected];
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Timothy C. O'Brien
> Economics Department Phone: 617-353-5650
> Boston University Fax: 617-353-4449
> 270 Bay State Road E-mail: [email protected]
> Boston, MA 02215-1403
> ----------------------------------------
>

The "Lcc" (List carbon copy) header is intended to be used when
you wish to send a message to a list of people but avoid having all
of their addresses visible, in order to reduce clutter when the
message is received.

It is similar to the "Bcc" (Blind carbon copy) header in that individual
addressees are hidden, but Lcc is designed to work specifically with
distribution lists you have created in your Pine address book. Placing
the nickname of the list on the Lcc line will result in the full name of
your Pine Address Book list being placed on the To: line of the message,
using a special notation that distinguishes it from a real address. You
must leave the To: line blank for your list name to appear there.

For example, if you have this list entered in your Address Book:

largo Key Largo List DISTRIBUTION LIST:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

And you enter "largo" on the Lcc: line while composing a message, the
result is:

To : Key Largo List: ;
Cc :
Bcc :
Fcc : sent-mail
Lcc : Key Largo List <[email protected]>,
[email protected],
[email protected]
Subject :

Each recipient listed on the Lcc: line receives a copy of the message
without their address being visible (as though they were listed on the
Bcc: line). The colon-semicolon notation used to put the full-name of the
list on the To: line is a special address format that doesn't specify any
actual addressees, but does give some information to the recipients of the
message.

Note: if after entering an LCC, you delete the list name that is placed
on the To: line, then recipients will see To: Undisclosed recipients: ;
(or whatever string is defined in the empty-header-message variable)
just as in the BCC case.

For information on email address formats or help with message header
editing commands, check the Help for the To: header.

<End of help on this topic>

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I have been using PINE on a Unix system (sun) for about a month, but I
still need to use two other mailers to handle all my incoming mail:
sun's mailtool to handle sun attachments, and netscape to handle messages
in which the text has been encoded using ISO-8859-1 character set.

I posted messages to the list regarding these two points on May 11, and
the only response I got was a pointer to a c program and perl script that
should be able to translate sun attachments into base64 encoding.
Unfortunately, the referencing in the documentation accompanying those
programs was specific to metamail and I could not figure out how to change
my mailcap file. My mailcap.unx file had some lines related to my second
problem (character sets), but I must be leaving something out. The fact
that I can view ISO-8859-1 encoded files (and print them) using netscape
tells me my operating system has the capability for this. (More and more
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There must be someone out there who has encountered and solved these
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Arthur Snoke

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Just thought I'd let you all know I found my problem The solution came
to me in that state between waking and sleep... but it worked.

What had happened is that I was locking things down to prevent users
from arbitrarily executing commands by setting the shell and speller
variables in pine.conf.fixed - and that much worked. However, when you
actually tried to use the editor or speller, you'd erase your message.

I found that the culprit was actually the setting operating-dir=~ which
aparently prevented temporary files from being created by the external
programs. (that's my guess anyway) Allowing users to access files outside
their own directory root is OK with me- that's what chmod is for. So,
problem solved- just remove this restriction.

Hope this helps someone else...
-=Jim=-

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Subject: Fwd[4]:good luck..
Author: Catherine Ice
Date: 5/27/98 9:25 AM

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> Ameet Chaubal <[email protected]> must die...

Dear listserv,

could you please ask your admin to add the following to your procmailrc?

:0
* ^From.*hotmail.*
/dev/null

Prettypleathe?

Robin

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Hello !!!

On which all platforms does Pine work???

Bye.

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Pine works on UNIX, WIN95/NT.... not sure about VMS, but it might.

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> Hello !!!
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> On which all platforms does Pine work???
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> Bye.
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> My problem is that much of hte world seems to be sending things in
> ISO-8859-1 charactert set rather than US-ASCII, and, many simple
> characters get mistranslated -- like the ' in Don't. The pine technical

I got sick of people sending me those types of messages and
getting that error message from Pine.

If I recall correctly, I needed to enable using <locale.h>
in Pine, and then I was able to

character-set=ISO-8859-1

in ~/.pinerc and it worked like a charm. Maybe this won't solve
your problem, but mine works fine. (SunOS 5, not 4, but I don't
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xterm should be able to disable plenty of umlats and other funky
chars :)

- edan

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>From: Edan Idzerda <[email protected]>
>Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:18:52 -0400 (EDT)

>>My problem is that much of hte world seems to be sending things in ISO-8859-1
>>charactert set rather than US-ASCII, and, many simple characters get
>>mistranslated -- like the ' in Don't.

Ahem. The apostrophe is in the US-ASCII character set; therefore, it has the
same code in ISO-8859-1 and any other character set of which US-ASCII is a
subset.

>Any regular xterm should be able to disable plenty of umlats and other funky
>chars :)

Why bother to disable them when they can be displayed?

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On Fri, 29 May 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >Any regular xterm should be able to disable plenty of umlats and other funky
> >chars :)
>
> Why bother to disable them when they can be displayed?

Did I say that? I meant to say "display." Silly me.

Actually, if you know of way to disable characters in an xterm
let me know. ;)

I swear that I had to modify os.h or pine.c to get setlocale to
work correctly. But I could just be dillusional.

- edan

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I was the original sender of the lines below regarding the apostrophe
which did not come out right on my screen. Let me give an explicit
example.

I have set my character-set to ISO-8859-1, which seems to affect only
outgoing mail, but becuase the lines I am including came with that
character set, I am guessing the whole message will be so encoded. (I
find the help information on character-set a bit obtuse, but it definitely
does not change the appearance of incoming mail beyond getting rid of
that wonderful message -- which accurately describes the problem I am
trying to solve.)

Here is my example:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Giordano Bruno was the last heretic consigned to the flames by the Roman
Inquisition, and with reason. His cosmology went far beyond Copernicus
in demoting the earth from a special place in god^=D2s cosmos: he
anticipated the modern knowledge of a vast universe, with an infinite
number of suns like ours, with planets inhabited by beings like us.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

In the third line "god's" comes out here with the apostrophe replaced by
^O with a ` over the O. When I look at this in mailtool on the sun, I get
"god^=3DD2s". (There is some effect here from the inability of mailtool to
handle quoted printable encoding.) When I print it, I get "gods". Yet
netscape seems to be able to handle it okay. I am using an xterm window
on my sun.

One thing I truly like about PINE is the ability to use it from home using
telnet to my unix machine. I have a mac with ncsa telnet and I use their
vtx100 screen with (I think) the ability to understand iso-8859-1. In the
above message, it has "god^"s" for the word of interest.

I do not know if this is a "smart quote" and not really an apostrophe.

From=20before...

>=20
> >>My problem is that much of hte world seems to be sending things in ISO-=
8859-1
> >>charactert set rather than US-ASCII, and, many simple characters get
> >>mistranslated -- like the ' in Don't.
>=20
> Ahem. The apostrophe is in the US-ASCII character set; therefore, it has =
the
> same code in ISO-8859-1 and any other character set of which US-ASCII is =
a
> subset.
>=20

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Subject: Re: ISO-8859-1 translation on sunos
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There's no need to send me a duplicate of what you send to the mailing list=
=2E

>From: Arthur Snoke <[email protected]>
>Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:09:56 -0400 (EDT)

>I have set my character-set to ISO-8859-1, which seems to affect only outg=
oing
>mail, but becuase the lines I am including came with that character set, I=
am
>guessing the whole message will be so encoded.

Yes, that's correct. If you had only included 7-bit US-ASCII characters, it
would have been marked "US-ASCII" no matter what you set the character-set
option to.

>Here is my example:
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>Giordano Bruno was the last heretic consigned to the flames by the Roman
>Inquisition, and with reason. His cosmology went far beyond Copernicus
>in demoting the earth from a special place in god^=D2s cosmos: he
>anticipated the modern knowledge of a vast universe, with an infinite
>number of suns like ours, with planets inhabited by beings like us.
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>In the third line "god's" comes out here with the apostrophe replaced by ^=
O
>with a ` over the O. . . . I am using an xterm window on my sun.

>I do not know if this is a "smart quote" and not really an apostrophe.

I don't know what you mean by "smart quote". But, likely, you are correct t=
hat
in lieu of an apostrophe, the author used a lower-case o with an acute acce=
nt (a
right-hand accent) instead. Maybe he misspelled "god", sticking the "d" in
later, while the terminal thought it was meant to be a 2-stroke character?

I don't recall what European countries would use ISO-8859-1. I think the UK=
is
one of them.

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> Arthur Snoke <[email protected]> writes:

[blabla]
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by franck.pc.Uni-Koeln.DE id VAA26920
[blabla]

Any further questions?

Robin

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