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Hello,
I am an extensive user of the email software application PINE and an
highly infulenced by the functionalities that it provides.

But please can you help me out to set the option for saving all the files
in my sent-mail directory to a new directory at the end of each month.

Waiting for a reply soon as right know i have to move them physically and
it does tend to become tedious.

Please help.

Mohammedi Padaria
India

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> [email protected] writes:

> I have been using Pine for about 1 full year now and I have not had
> one problem until now. It was working great today as usual until
> around 11:00pm. I logged in to find that all of my folders were
> gone, and I couldn't even access "Inbox", the only folder left. Pine
> displayed at the bottom of the screen that it couldn't open because
> it was not an ISAM message. It also had "MAIL-E-NOTISAM" at the
> bottom left hand corner of my screen. I would be overjoyed to save
> all of my old folders.

That's most likely a local and not a pine problem. Talk to your
sysadmin and have her check what's wrong.

Robin

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> Margaret Thomas <[email protected]> writes:

> I would like to applaud the suggestion which was recently made that
> people edit their posts to cut out extraneous material.

Margaret, it wasn't made recently. It was made while I was still
playing Space Quest I on an XT.[1]

> Some of you might recall an earlier appeal I made asking folks if
> they could say what they had to say and then quote since I am using
> speech and this would be much easier for me and other people using
> adaptive equiptment.

Very true. Here's a suggestion for pine 4: include a copy of the
netiquette. I don't have the user guide at hand, but I'm pretty sure
it's not in there.

> Robin's suggestion helps us all. He wrote:

If I had written that, I'd be Ms. Netiquette now. But I didn't. Kathy
Rinaldi did, and her website is a place everyone should have visited
at least once.[2]

Later,
Robin

Footnotes:
[1] 1MB Ram - cost me a fortune...
[2] Don't you dare say *any*thing now, David Miller... ]:->

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> Mohammedi Padaria <[email protected]> writes:

> I am an extensive user of the email software application PINE and an
> highly infulenced by the functionalities that it provides.
> But please can you help me out to set the option for saving all the
> files in my sent-mail directory to a new directory at the end of
> each month.

This is totally braindead, but will work if your folders are called
IN.something (I got that one from Nancy McGough's filtering mail FAQ)[1]:

#!/bin/sh
for i in ~/Mail/IN.* ; do cat $i >> ~/Mail/OLD/$i ; done
for i in ~/Mail/IN.* ; do rm $i ; touch $i ; done

Robin

Footnotes:
[1] The first person to comment on the braindeadness of this script
will be publically dismembered. It is actually the first shell
script I ever wrote (back in 1991), and I kinda like it...

--
Robin S. Socha
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why?

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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Sena Gursoy wrote:

> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:51:24 +0300 (EET DST)
> From: Sena Gursoy <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: A little suggestion.
>
> Please send me a worldwide list of pine-users.
>
>
>
>

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hi friends,

i am almost a new user of pine software.here i have a problem.i got an
exe attachment with a mail. I just want to know of a method of executing
it. I am an unix user.
Thanking you
pradeep kumar samudrala

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-----Original Message-----
From: Pradeep Kumar T-1173 <[email protected]>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:17 PM
Subject: please help me

>hi friends,
>
>i am almost a new user of pine software.here i have a problem.i got an
>exe attachment with a mail. I just want to know of a method of executing

If you are using UNIX pine, then you'll have to "view" the attachment and
save the file(s). Once you saved it, you have to download it from your unix
account to a PC that can run the *.EXE file

>it. I am an unix user.
>Thanking you
>pradeep kumar samudrala
>

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<1> Should have a delete command to select attachments to exclude, for keep=
ing
mail archives small in size.

Temporary solution: Use "export" to export the text message part to
certain mail folder file. It's also ok to "export" with "append" to
the same folder as holding current email.

<2> Add option in setup to "force 8-bit smtp" to support unencoded 8bit
char, because most new smtp relay now supports 8-bit clean transfer, an=
d
many users are still using simple email handler with MIME support, such
as mailx.

<3> Add option in setup to enable edit of "From:" header. Though I know it=
's
configurable in the compiling stage. But pop3 users and those masked b=
y
certain filewalls might need this feature as in netscape/eudora.

<4> Enable ^C to break hanged smtp/imap/pop/nntp connection.

<5> Add documentation about pop3 mbox setup in Unix PINE, ie.,
{pop3_server/pop3/user=3Dusername}INBOX

<6> For users' convenience, add more default headers, such as "Reply-to:",
"Return-receipt-to:".

<7> Each news folder should have seperate .newsrc file, such as
.newsrc.newsserver1, .newsrc.newsserver2, etc. netscape does in this w=
ay,
which is pretty good.

<8> Improve threading of news articles based on "Reference:" header.

<9> Simplify subscription/unsubscription of groups of newsgroups, make it a=
s
easy as the reg-pattern subscription/unsubscription in tin.

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Hello..

Has anyone setup e-mail to fax gateway on RS6000 AIX4.2.1 using HylaFAX
and PINE3.96

Appreciate you help.
Many Thanks

Cheers,
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find a dos or Win95 machine...ftp or otherwise copy file down to dos/win95
machine. type name of exe file, or (if win95) double click on it.

be leery of trojans and such.

Vinnie

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On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Pradeep Kumar T-1173 wrote:

> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:41:29 +0000 (IST)
> From: Pradeep Kumar T-1173 <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: please help me
>
> hi friends,
>
> i am almost a new user of pine software.here i have a problem.i got an
> exe attachment with a mail. I just want to know of a method of executing
> it. I am an unix user.
> Thanking you
> pradeep kumar samudrala
>
>

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> <5> Add documentation about pop3 mbox setup in Unix PINE, ie.,
> {pop3_server/pop3/user=username}INBOX
>

does that really work?

wow. and I used to use popfetch.

But then, I use IMAP now, which is nicer, I think.

Vinnie

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Hello,
I just have a quick question. How can I retrieve the mail that
has been placed into other files? For example at the end of each month my
mail gets erased and placed some where else. How do I get to it? Thank
you for your help in answering my question.

Sincerely yours,
Steve Urbanowycz

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> WANG Huaxin <[email protected]> writes:

> <1> Should have a delete command to select attachments to exclude,
> for keeping mail archives small in size.

Should ask for keeping IMO. I hardly ever keep attachments, especially
not v-cards and other Dos-crap.

> <3> Add option in setup to enable edit of "From:" header. Though I
> know it's configurable in the compiling stage. But pop3 users and
> those masked by certain filewalls might need this feature as in
> netscape/eudora.

It's in pine 4.

> <4> Enable ^C to break hanged smtp/imap/pop/nntp connection.

Dunno. I would broaden this request to clean up the C-c, E(xit),
Q(uit) stuff.

> <5> Add documentation about pop3 mbox setup in Unix PINE, ie.,
> {pop3_server/pop3/user=username}INBOX

It's extensively dealt with in the documentation. However, it would be
a Good Thing if the documentation for Pine 4 were done in SGML or at
least LaTeX, so it can be printed out nicely and given to users. I
volunteer for that again.

> <6> For users' convenience, add more default headers, such as
> "Reply-to:", "Return-receipt-to:".

It can be easily done, can't it?

> <7> Each news folder should have seperate .newsrc file, such as
> .newsrc.newsserver1, .newsrc.newsserver2, etc. netscape does in
> this way, which is pretty good.

I would broaden this to "add more command line switches". mutt and
slrn are a lot better in this respect (eg -a <filename> to include an
attachment).

> <8> Improve threading of news articles based on "Reference:" header.

There is no threading in pine. IIRC, it's planned for pine 4, but you
might want to check the pine website.

> <9> Simplify subscription/unsubscription of groups of newsgroups,
> make it as easy as the reg-pattern subscription/unsubscription in
> tin.

Why don't you use slrn or tin right away? Pine is a nice enough MUA
but a really, really sucky newsreader. A --without-news --without-docs
compile switch would be nice. Pine is, after all, freaking huge.

Later,
Robin

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I keep getting a message that another pine is accessing my inbox. Then it
will only let me read my messages and not delete any. Is this a security
problem?
Jannette Foerster

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> [email protected] writes:

> I keep getting a message that another pine is accessing my inbox.
> Then it will only let me read my messages and not delete any.

You are running more than one instance of pine at the same time. Say:

ps ax | grep pine
and then
kill <PID>
to kill the other instances of pine. If you're unsure about those
commands, say "man ps" and "man kill".

> Is this a security problem?

No.

Robin

--
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"Can Pine be used with a POP server?" had been in the FAQs at
http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/FAQs.html for some time, but without
the "/user=username" part, which can certainly be useful. I just added
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Stefan Kramer [email protected]
PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/
Computing & Communications University of Washington
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On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, WANG Huaxin wrote:

<5> Add documentation about pop3 mbox setup in Unix PINE, ie.,
{pop3_server/pop3/user=username}INBOX

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It was suggested that I write this group with a question I have. Perhaps
one of you can help me. My provider has Pine version 3.91 (I have
requested they consider upgrading, but right now this is what i have.)

When the system crashes it has more and more been happening that the email
I am working on is not saved in the postponed-messages folder. Since I am
used to working with computers I am used to saving early and often myself,
but i can not figure out a way I can save the file myself using this
software. Is there a way to do so with this version of Pine?

Since i sometimes work for over an hour on one piece of email, this is a
very frustrating problem. Any help or suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you
VAL

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> Vallie Henry <[email protected]> is losing emails:

Enable another editor and use the backups made by that editor.

Robin

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Dear Pine Group,

Is there a command in pine "setup" that makes it possible to receive a
notice when mail one has sent is actually read
or received by that party?? I did not see one.

Thank you--

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On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Diane M Weitzen wrote:

DMW> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
DMW> From: Diane M Weitzen <[email protected]>
DMW> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
DMW> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:18:09 -0500 (EST)
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DMW>
DMW>
DMW> Dear Pine Group,
DMW>
DMW> Is there a command in pine "setup" that makes it possible to receive a
DMW> notice when mail one has sent is actually read
DMW> or received by that party?? I did not see one.
DMW>
DMW> Thank you--
DMW>
DMW>

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I tried asking this on comp.mail.pine, but haven't got a
response.

How do I configure the download option of Pine 3.96 for kermit.
I am using a terminal via a telephone hookup to my ISP and want
to download files direct to the terminal.

When I export an email from pine to MYFILE.txt, exit pine and
enter 'kermit -s MYFILE.txt' at the UNIX prompt, everything
works OK and the file, MYFILE.txt is downloaded. However when I try
configuring pine to do it, the temporary file name it chooses, eg
pd026707. is not updated and so previous files I have downloaded in
the same login session are overwritten.

At the moment, I have configured the option to read:
kermit -s _FILE_
I also tried adding a -w flag (do not overwrite files), but this
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> Stefan Kramer <[email protected]> writes:
> On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Diane M Weitzen wrote:

> DMW> From: Diane M Weitzen <[email protected]> To: Pine Discussion
> DMW> Forum <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:18:09
> DMW> -0500 (EST) Subject: return receipt of mail

Will pine 4 support this citation style or did you do something else?
And if it will, will it have other reply-strings
(i.e. "DMW=Diane... writes")?

Robin

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Wait, let me guess... You want a killfile so you never accidentally
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Dear Friend(s),
I would like to know how to change my pine password. When I am in the
main menu I go to setup and pick Newpassword. Then the computer askes me for
my old password. The problem is I don't even remember having an old password.
Is their a way that I can put in a new password without my old password. I
hope I hear from you soon. Thank You!

Sincerely,
Henry St.Charles

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> Henry St Charles <[email protected]> writes:

> I would like to know how to change my pine password. When I am in
> the main menu I go to setup and pick Newpassword. Then the computer
> askes me for my old password.

That's the login PW for your account.

> The problem is I don't even remember having an old password.

It's probably in your login script if you dial in.

Robin

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I would like a 12 hour clock in the top bar of pine right in between
FOLDER INDEX and FOLDER. Could someone write that program and send it to
me.....tonight?

Thanks so much...Ona

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>From: ona <[email protected]>
>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:50:00 +0000 (GMT)

>I would like a 12 hour clock in the top bar of pine right in between
>FOLDER INDEX and FOLDER. Could someone write that program and send it to
>me.....tonight?

Could you please drop dead . . . now?

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On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >From: ona <[email protected]>
> >Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:50:00 +0000 (GMT)
>
> >I would like a 12 hour clock in the top bar of pine right in between
> >FOLDER INDEX and FOLDER. Could someone write that program and send it to
> >me.....tonight?
>
> Could you please drop dead . . . now?
>

Doesn't take much to get some people riled up does it....

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On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, ona wrote:

> I would like a 12 hour clock in the top bar of pine right in between
> FOLDER INDEX and FOLDER. Could someone write that program and send
> it to me.....tonight?

Or you could pick up a cheap digital clock at a thrift store for about
$3 and set it on top of your monitor...works for me...and it even has
an alarm...just in case I fall asleep in the middle of surfing. rofl

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On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, ona wrote:
>
> > I would like a 12 hour clock in the top bar of pine right in between
> > FOLDER INDEX and FOLDER. Could someone write that program and send
> > it to me.....tonight?
>
> Or you could pick up a cheap digital clock at a thrift store for about
> $3 and set it on top of your monitor...works for me...and it even has
> an alarm...just in case I fall asleep in the middle of surfing. rofl
>

Ahhh someone with a great sense of humor! :) What else could we expect
with a name like Shoeless. But seriously, if a 12 hour clock is too much
trouble I'll settle for a 24 hour one. :) I'll just wait here at the
puter for someone to write it.

Ona

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>From: ona <[email protected]>
>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:49:22 +0000 (GMT)

>. . . if a 12 hour clock is too much trouble I'll settle for a 24 hour one. :)
>I'll just wait here at the puter for someone to write it.

Keep your legs crossed.

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On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >From: ona <[email protected]>
> >Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:49:22 +0000 (GMT)
>
> >. . . if a 12 hour clock is too much trouble I'll settle for a 24 hour one. :)
> >I'll just wait here at the puter for someone to write it.
>
> Keep your legs crossed.
>
>

hehehehe

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On 4 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> > Stefan Kramer <[email protected]> writes:
> > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Diane M Weitzen wrote:
>
> > DMW> From: Diane M Weitzen <[email protected]> To: Pine Discussion
> > DMW> Forum <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:18:09
> > DMW> -0500 (EST) Subject: return receipt of mail
>
> Will pine 4 support this citation style or did you do something else?

Yup, that was one of the last things I implemented before I left...

> And if it will, will it have other reply-strings
> (i.e. "DMW=Diane... writes")?

Nope, I didn't get that far :-(

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I've got 3.95 pine but i wanna get the version of pine(3.96). Is there any
way to replace the old one with the new ?

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> David Miller <[email protected]> writes:
> > On 4 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:
> > > Stefan Kramer <[email protected]> writes:

> > > DMW> -0500 (EST) Subject: return receipt of mail
> > Will pine 4 support this citation style or did you do something
> > else?
> Yup, that was one of the last things I implemented before I left...

It's not RFC-conformant (son-of-RFC-1632 or something...). Heheheee...
Besides, how will pico ever manage yanking that text? Or did you
replace pico too?

> > And if it will, will it have other reply-strings
> > (i.e. "DMW=Diane... writes")?
> Nope, I didn't get that far :-(

It doesn't make much sense the way it is now, does it?

Robin

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Hello !!!

Can I change the From: line. Iwant to change my username from 'foo' to
'foobar'.

Ex:
Before: [email protected]
After: [email protected]

Tnx.

Bye.

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Iztok Polanic <[email protected]> wrote in pine-list :

>Can I change the From: line. Iwant to change my username from 'foo' to
>'foobar'.

Yes. Load Pine. Goto to the setup/config page. It's one of the first
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>From: David Miller <[email protected]>
>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:54:12 -0800 (PST)

>On 4 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

>>>Stefan Kramer <[email protected]> writes:
>>>On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Diane M Weitzen wrote:

>>>DMW> From: Diane M Weitzen <[email protected]> To: Pine Discussion
>>>DMW> Forum <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:18:09
>>>DMW> -0500 (EST) Subject: return receipt of mail

>>Will pine 4 support this citation style or did you do something else?

>Yup, that was one of the last things I implemented before I left...

>>And if it will, will it have other reply-strings
>>(i.e. "DMW=Diane... writes")?

>Nope, I didn't get that far :-(

I hope this will be optional; I've never cared for it. Any chance that we'll
have control of quoting levels from messages earlier in the thread?

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>From: Alper YILMAZ <[email protected]>
>Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 05:11:29 -0500 (EST)

>I've got 3.95 pine but i wanna get the version of pine(3.96). Is there any
>way to replace the old one with the new?

Sure, if you are installing pc-pine on your single-user machine or Unix pine on
a single-user machine, or if you are system administrator on a multi-user
machine. Just ftp it from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the pine directory.

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>From: Darren Wyn Rees <[email protected]>
>Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:48:10 GMT

>Iztok Polanic <[email protected]> wrote in pine-list :

>>Can I change the From: line. Iwant to change my username from 'foo' to
>>'foobar'.

>Yes. Load Pine. Goto to the setup/config page. It's one of the first few
>parameters in the list there.

Wrong! Setting a value in personal-name overrides the full-name token that
would normally be derived from /etc/passwd.

In the portion of the message that you had cut out, he indicated that he really
wanted to changed the mailbox name in the From. FOR THE 2,438,978,542ND TIME,
IT IS A COMPILE-TIME OPTION. BY DEFAULT, YOU CANNOT CHANGE From.

This is the last time this question will ever be asked. Fortunately, thanks to
the changes that Stefan has made to the list, postings will be restricted to
subscribers, and no one will be able to subscribe unless he has filed a
statement saying he has read the FAQs and understands that he will be shot if
he posts one, but before the question is posted.

And, that he will be shot twice if he attempts to ask this one.

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On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Alper YILMAZ wrote:

> I've got 3.95 pine but i wanna get the version of pine(3.96). Is there any
> way to replace the old one with the new ?

Short of compiling it yourself? Don't think so. You're at the whim of
your SA (System Administrator).

Muahahahahahahah
>
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>Message-Id: <[email protected].>
>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:06:01 -0500 (EST)
>From: Henry St Charles <[email protected]>

>I would like to know how to change my pine password.

The feature exists for users who, for security reasons, may only use e-mail and
are never given shell access. It's not applicable to your situation.

Gosh, your system administrator hasn't gotten around to upgrading pine too
recently, has he? Your pine is over 4 years old.

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On 4 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> > DMW> From: Diane M Weitzen <[email protected]> To: Pine Discussion

> Will pine 4 support this citation style or did you do something else?
Check out the Message-ID of the original message. It IS written in pine 4.

> And if it will, will it have other reply-strings
> (i.e. "DMW=Diane... writes")?
"DMW>" is build out of the initials of the original writers name.

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I'm new to your system and would like to know how to use it to its fully
capability. Also I would like to know how to search for an adress only
nowing the users name.

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On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:34:58 -0500 (CDT), "Frank Zaccaro (WD)"
<[email protected]> wrote in pine-list:

>I'm new to your system and would like to know how to use it to its fully
>capability.=20

=46rank... Read The Fine FAQ. Read all the Fine Man pages (do 'man
pine'). If you use a USEFUL SUBJECT for your posts then you'll get
*m/o/r/e* help. A blank subject gives people no idea _what your
_question is. Use a subject to Pine list, please.

Rgds,
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> "Frank Zaccaro (WD)" <[email protected]> writes:

> I'm new to your system and would like to know how to use it to its
> fully capability.

Read the documentation available either on your system or the pine
website:
<http://www.washington.edu/pine>
or get the ps/dvi files from my site:
<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/>

> Also I would like to know how to search for an adress only nowing
> the users name.

Within pine? Enter the addressbook and read the help there, it's
pretty good.

Robin

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> Holger <[email protected]> writes:

> Check out the Message-ID of the original message. It IS written in
> pine 4.

You don't say...

> "DMW>" is build out of the initials of the original writers name.

*DAMN*!!! You're /really/ smart.

(defun sc-header-attributed-damn-i-m-smart ()
"\"<sc-attribution>\" == <sc-author> wrote on <date>:
Treats these fields in a similar manner to `sc-header-on-said'."
(let ((sc-mumble "")
(whofrom (sc-whofrom)))
(if whofrom
(insert sc-reference-tag-string
(sc-hdr "\"" (sc-mail-field "sc-attribution") "\" == ")
(sc-hdr "" (sc-mail-field "sc-author") " ")
"wrote on " (sc-mail-field "date") ":\n"))))

*yawn* Next one please...

Robin

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Robin S. Socha
Heh. How about this one: "make UNIX usable for normal people".
Nobody has done that before. Linus

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I'm the author of a program that allows for easy verification of PGP
signatures for users of Pine. The program is entitled mailPGP. It works
beautifully with Pine 3.95, but when a user is using Pine 3.96, the
display-filter is apparently not being run.

With the change to Pine 3.96, is there something that needs to be modified
to make display-filters work? Even if I take my .pinerc from pine 3.95 and
encorperate it into Pine 3.96, the display filter is not run.

Thanks,
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Jeremy Dinsel (PGP key: finger [email protected] )
(PGP key: http://sighsy.cup.edu/~dinselj)
Cal U Math and Computer (PGP use preferred)
Science World Wide Web
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In Pine 4.00 (not yet released), as it's now, the default reply string can
be based on the sender's initials, but that can also be edited before being
used -- so, for example, Pine would prompt:

Include original message in Reply (using "DMW> ")?

and one could then, if desired, change that to, say, using "DW>" -- to omit
the middle initial for the reply to this message.

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Stefan Kramer \|/ [email protected]
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On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Holger wrote:

> On 4 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>
> > > DMW> From: Diane M Weitzen <[email protected]> To: Pine Discussion
>
> > Will pine 4 support this citation style or did you do something else?
> Check out the Message-ID of the original message. It IS written in pine 4.
>
> > And if it will, will it have other reply-strings
> > (i.e. "DMW=Diane... writes")?
> "DMW>" is build out of the initials of the original writers name.
>
> --
> Holger
>

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As announced on Mon, 30 Mar 1998, the pine-info mailing list was set to
only accept postings from subscribers yesterday morning (PDT).

Unfortunately, as it turns out, the ListProcessor serving the list is *not*
sending out notification messages to non-subscribers trying to post to the
list which explain that the message was rejected, and how to subscribe to
the list in order to be able to post to it.

Until the reasons for this are understood and overcome, this list has been
set back to again allow postings by non-subscribers (effective 7 Apr 1998
16:06 PDT), since the program-internal help (on the BUG REPORT screen) of
Pine 3.96 and earlier advises users to post a message to this list, and we
don't want that advice to result in messages becoming simply "lost in
cyberspace" (right? ;-).

Apologies for any inconvenience this may cause to list subscribers.

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Stefan Kramer [email protected]
University of Washington Computing & Communications
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On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Stefan Kramer wrote:

SK> .... Therefore, we are planning on
SK> setting this mailing list to accept postings only by subscribers effective
SK> Monday, April 6, 1998.
SK>
SK> ------------------------------------------------------------
SK> Stefan Kramer [email protected]
SK> University of Washington Computing & Communications
SK> Mailstop 354841 Seattle, WA 98105-4527 USA
SK> ------------------------------------------------------------

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Dear Sir/ Madam,
When I receive emails in my 'in' folder, the date
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> Stefan Kramer <[email protected]> writes:

> Unfortunately, as it turns out, the ListProcessor serving the list
> is *not* sending out notification messages to non-subscribers trying
> to post to the list which explain that the message was rejected, and
> how to subscribe to the list in order to be able to post to it.

procmail with formail?

Robin

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The sticker on the side of the box said "Supported Platforms: Windows 95,
Windows NT 4.0, or better", so clearly Linux was a supported platform.

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Looking for a way to condense or suppress the recipient list on the messages
I receive. I am part of several distribution lists of 50 - 200 individuals.
It would be better if I didn't see all of those names and have to scroll
through several pages to reach my messages. Any suggestions? (pine 3.94 on
unixware 2.1.1)

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--On Tue, Apr 7, 1998 11:09 pm -0700 "Tim Convery" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Looking for a way to condense or suppress the recipient list on the
messages
> I receive. I am part of several distribution lists of 50 - 200
individuals.
> It would be better if I didn't see all of those names and have to scroll
> through several pages to reach my messages. Any suggestions? (pine 3.94 on
> unixware 2.1.1)

There is little that you, the recipient, can do to alter this (apart from
editing your mailbox file -- not recommended).

Instead you should contact the people who send out such messages and ask
them to list the recipients' addresses in the "Bcc:" (Blind Carbon Copy)
header field instead of the "To:" or "Cc:" fields.

If they are indeed still using the ancient v3.94 of Pine they should:

a) Ensure that at least one e-mail address is given in the "To:" field
(either their own, or a string ending with the magical ":;" characters,
such as "Undisclosed recipients:;:

b) Upgrade to the current version of Pine (3.96), which will do the above
for
you when sending a message with a blank "To:" field. [v3.95 and v3.96
have been out *ages*!]

The reason for putting something in the "To:" field is to stop some
braindead mail delivery systems continuing to reveal the recipients listed
in the "Bcc:" field. Some do this if they detect a missing or empty "To:"
field, by converting the "Bcc:" list into a series of "Apparently-to:"
headers, thereby filling up each recipient's screen with the list again.
(Sigh!)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell

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I would appreciate answer to the following question:
How do I set my email account under Pine to UNIVERSALLY forward
(automatically) any mail received to another mailing address. This is an
essential function for any mail account holder wo changes his job or goes
on sabbatical etc'.
Thank y'all!

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>>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:08:09 +0200 (IST), Abraham Blum said:

Hi,

> I would appreciate answer to the following question: How do I set
> my email account under Pine to UNIVERSALLY forward (automatically)
> any mail received to another mailing address. This is an essential
> function for any mail account holder wo changes his job or goes on
> sabbatical etc'. Thank y'all!

you're absolutely correct. Nevertheless this is not a feature pine has
to come up with, because it's part of the mail transfer process.

Create a .forward file in your home directory:

echo "my-new-mail-address" > $HOME/.forward

hth, norbert.

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This will do it;
Quit Pine into your home directory, at the command prompt do a:
$pico .forward (make sure you put the "dot" in there...please.)
This will open a new file named as above. On the first line of the file,
type the new address that you wish mail to be sent to, like this:
[email protected] (or whatever email address you will want mail to wind
up in) then do a:
^O (Control then letter "O")
You will be prompted "File to write:.forward?" answer is "Y" for yes, or hit enter. Your file is now saved.
^X (Control "X") Exits you out of that file, and the text editor too, back
to your command prompt.
-----
One caution, what you have just done sends ALL mail to another address, no
copy is kept locally.
-----
When you return from your trip/vacation/sabbatical, to restore things to
the way they were you must shut down the forwarding by either deleting the
forward file, or emptying it's contents. (Personally I always empty it,
though it wouldn't make a difference)
-----
To empty the .forward file:
At the command prompt:
$pico .forward (opens the file)
with the cursor at the beginning of the one and only line do a:
^K (Control K) that deletes the line of text [email protected]
^O (Control O) saves the file
"Y" (Yes, save .forward please)
^X (Control X, to exit the text editor)
-------
to delete the file, at the command prompt do a:
$rm .forward

Hope this helps, and good luck.
-Colin.
---------------------------------------
Colin J. Raven
Network & Systems Administrator, HDS Lab, Inc.
Costa Mesa, CA | Harrison, NY
"Communications at the Speed of Life"
On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Abraham Blum wrote:

> I would appreciate answer to the following question:
> How do I set my email account under Pine to UNIVERSALLY forward
> (automatically) any mail received to another mailing address. This is an
> essential function for any mail account holder wo changes his job or goes
> on sabbatical etc'.
> Thank y'all!
>

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Anyone know where I can find pine 3.96 binaries in the unixware 'package'
format?

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On 8 Apr 1998, Norbert Koch wrote:

> >>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:08:09 +0200 (IST), Abraham Blum said:
>
> Hi,
>
> > I would appreciate answer to the following question: How do I set
> > my email account under Pine to UNIVERSALLY forward (automatically)
> > any mail received to another mailing address. This is an essential
> > function for any mail account holder wo changes his job or goes on
> > sabbatical etc'. Thank y'all!
>
> you're absolutely correct. Nevertheless this is not a feature pine has
> to come up with, because it's part of the mail transfer process.
>
> Create a .forward file in your home directory:
>
> echo "my-new-mail-address" > $HOME/.forward

And....in the case of "changing jobs/employers" where an account is
deleted a "nice" system admin may create an "alias" for a given length of
time. In some systems aliases are defined in /usr/lib/aliases.

Ed

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I sometimes receive e-mail in German with 'Umlaute'.
These show up on my screen with the warning that it is the "ISO-8859-1"
character set. If I wish to answer how do I switch to this character set?
In MS-WORD the Umlaute are produced by 'control :', but this does not
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-- Guenther Elste

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>>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:57:52 +0800 (GMT), Edward M Greshko said:

Hi Ed,

[about .forward]

> And....in the case of "changing jobs/employers" where an account is
> deleted a "nice" system admin may create an "alias" for a given
> length of time. In some systems aliases are defined in
> /usr/lib/aliases.

You *must be kidding* :-) A *nice* system administrator ... I'd call
this a oxymoron }8-) I've only have to take a look at me ...

But yes, you're right - this would be a good way to handle it and,
well you know, a bribe here, a blackmail there, and things start to
work - ha! charming :-)

cheers, norbert.

--
Norbert Koch, Delta Industrie Informatik GmbH.
Toes, knees, NIPPLES. Toes, knees, nipples, KNUCKLES...
Nipples, dimples, knuckles, NICKLES, wrinkles, pimples!!
I don't like FRANK SINATRA or his CHILDREN.

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Fala ai mano, tudo bem??Gostaria que vc traduzisse este
mail para que vc entenda ( se vc esta lendo e sinal que traduzil!!).
Me desculpe a ignorancia mas nao escrevo bem em ingles e
optei por escrever em portugues mesmo.
O meu problema esta em abrir as fotos que eu recebo pelos
mail, gostaria de saber como posso fazer isso.

Atenciosamente

BOARO

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This is about the size of charaters. I have been trying to figure out if
I can increase their size. I suffer from eye strain whenever I use Pine
since the characters are so small. Could you please help me since I
haven't been able to get this information from the help menu.
sincerely
Arun Mukherjee

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On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Arun P Mukherjee wrote:

: This is about the size of charaters. I have been trying to figure out if
: I can increase their size. I suffer from eye strain whenever I use Pine
: since the characters are so small. Could you please help me since I
: haven't been able to get this information from the help menu.
: sincerely

Wouldn't that be a feature of the window you have pine in? In an Xterm,
you can set the font size; in a console mode, you can set the font size
with certain programs--which would depend on the OS you use--in PC pine, I
would not know since I do not use it M$ products, but I believe there is a
default setting under the control panel for font sizes.

: Arun Mukherjee
:

- --
Jeremy Dinsel (PGP key: finger [email protected] )
(PGP key: http://sighsy.cup.edu/~dinselj)
Cal U Math and Computer (PGP use preferred)
Science World Wide Web
System Administrator

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I have a problem with a person named [email protected]. He got my
password and everytime i change my password he gets it again. He uses my
mailer and has a folder I can not get into. What is going on and how can
I stop this fool?

Thanks For Your Help

Craig DeMarco

_________________________
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Craig DeMarco
[email protected]
________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Hello !!!

I would report him, if I were you...but i can't explain my self how he
gets your new password every time??? :|

Bye.

On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Craig J. DeMarco wrote:

> I have a problem with a person named [email protected]. He got my
> password and everytime i change my password he gets it again. He uses my
> mailer and has a folder I can not get into. What is going on and how can
> I stop this fool?
>
>
> Thanks For Your Help
>
> Craig DeMarco
>
> _________________________
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Craig DeMarco
> [email protected]
> ________________________
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>

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xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\
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xx xx | E-mail: [email protected] |
xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola |
xx xx \-----------------------------------------/

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Hi,

I use procmail to filter my mail into different mailboxes. Is there any
way to make pine look for new mail in different mailboxes and highlight
those mailboxes?

//johan allard

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Feh. Should have service marked the idea when I had a chance.

Good luck to you.

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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Johan Allard wrote:

-> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:48:16 +0200 (CEST)
-> From: Johan Allard <[email protected]>
-> To: Pine Discussion Forum
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->
-> Hi,
->
-> I use procmail to filter my mail into different mailboxes. Is there any
-> way to make pine look for new mail in different mailboxes and highlight
-> those mailboxes?
->
-> //johan allard
->
->
I'm using xbuffy written by Bill Pemberton ([email protected]).

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>From: Norbert Koch <[email protected]>
>Date: 08 Apr 1998 17:15:50 +0200

>>>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:57:52 +0800 (GMT), Edward M Greshko said:

>[about .forward]

Ed, Colin, and Norbert:

I wish you would all remind everyone that .forward is a particular type of
sendmail alias. While sendmail is a common Mail Transport Agent, it is by no
means universal. It's not done that way with SysVRel4 rmail, as an example.

In fact, I've never heard that other MTA's use it. I believe that .forward is
unique to sendmail. Am I correct?

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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >From: Norbert Koch <[email protected]>
> >Date: 08 Apr 1998 17:15:50 +0200
>
> >>>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:57:52 +0800 (GMT), Edward M Greshko said:
>
> >[about .forward]
>
> Ed, Colin, and Norbert:
>
> I wish you would all remind everyone that .forward is a particular type of
> sendmail alias.

Gee....I think you just did! :-)

But, yes, you are correct that "your milage may vary" when it comes to
responses in this and other mailing lists.

Ed

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>>On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:53:35 -0500 (CDT), Adam H Kerman said:

>> From: Norbert Koch <[email protected]> Date: 08 Apr 1998 17:15:50
>> +0200

>>>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:57:52 +0800 (GMT), Edward M Greshko said:

>> [about .forward]

> Ed, Colin, and Norbert:

> I wish you would all remind everyone that .forward is a particular
> type of sendmail alias. While sendmail is a common Mail Transport

> In fact, I've never heard that other MTA's use it. I believe that
> .forward is unique to sendmail. Am I correct?

Hi Adam,

I fully agree and apologise for the 'fast forward'.

Hmm, so I'll have to stick to the 'go away, look for an appropriate
news group' :-)

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--On Thu, Apr 9, 1998 12:48 am +0200 "Johan Allard" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I use procmail to filter my mail into different mailboxes. Is there any
> way to make pine look for new mail in different mailboxes and highlight
> those mailboxes?

You didn't mention which version of Pine you are using nor the platform
(some people seem to persist in using archaic versions!). However from your
message headers it seems to be 3.96, so...

Go to the Setup Configuration screen and look through for the
"enable-incoming-folders" feature. Put your cursor on this and type "?" to
see the on-line help about it.

Then turn the feature on and return to the List Folders screen ("L" command)
and set up the names of your additional incoming folders.

Although Pine doesn't automatically poll these for new mail it is very easy
to do a manual check: simply press the Tab key. This will advance you to
the next New message in the current folder. When there are no more it will
then offer to search subsequent folders set up in the incoming collection.
If it finds a folder with new messages it will then offer to let you open it
and view them. After the last folder Pine offers to return you to the
INBOX.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell
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On 9 Apr 1998, Norbert Koch wrote:

> Hmm, so I'll have to stick to the 'go away, look for an appropriate
> news group' :-)

No don't start that...I almost feel as if I can ask a question....and
get an answer....sort of the same feeling I had back in the late
seventies....."I think it's safe to go back into the water." :)

Ona

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Yup...you are in fact, dead right. I am appropriately humbled, suitably
reminded, advised, informed, and now in a state of zen-like "hyper
awareness" (without coffee even) on this subject. :)
-Colin.
------------------------------------------
Colin J. Raven
Network & Systems Administrator, HDS Lab, Inc.
Costa Mesa, CA | Harrison, NY
"We shall bravely venture to this place you speak of, where the sendmail
does not rule, and should we return, there will be those who will tell of
what we saw there down the generations"
(Foquet D'Abanville...well kinda, just 400 years later, and slightly
altered)
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >From: Norbert Koch <[email protected]>
> >Date: 08 Apr 1998 17:15:50 +0200
>
> >>>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:57:52 +0800 (GMT), Edward M Greshko said:
>
> >[about .forward]
>
> Ed, Colin, and Norbert:
>
> I wish you would all remind everyone that .forward is a particular type of
> sendmail alias. While sendmail is a common Mail Transport Agent, it is by no
> means universal. It's not done that way with SysVRel4 rmail, as an example.
>
> In fact, I've never heard that other MTA's use it. I believe that .forward is
> unique to sendmail. Am I correct?
>
>

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To Whom,
PINE is asking me to remove data related to /var/mail; I've
deleted almost all my saved messages: what do I do now?

I'd appreciate any help.
Thank you,
S. Jackson

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>From: [email protected]
>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:21:44 -0700 (PDT)

> PINE is asking me to remove data related to /var/mail; I've
>deleted almost all my saved messages: what do I do now?

Your saved-messages folder is entirely different from your INBOX, which is in
/var/mail. So, deleting saved messages will not correct errors in your INBOX.

Immediately beg your system administrator for help before you do additional
needless damage to your account.

Although, how you will read this message, I have no idea.

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Well for starters, what is the *exact* error message you are seeing?
-Colin.
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 [email protected] wrote:

> To Whom,
> PINE is asking me to remove data related to /var/mail; I've
> deleted almost all my saved messages: what do I do now?
>
> I'd appreciate any help.
> Thank you,
> S. Jackson
>
>
>

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---------- Forwarded message ----------

I have a question with pine. I know there's a way to create an alais
using pine. My problem is when sending mail using the alais list it will
show all the email address that the mail was sent to. My questiionis is,
is there a way to send mail using an alais without it having it show
everybody address on it? I want the indiviual receiver to think that
he/she was the only one to receive mail from me. If this can be done will
you please help me? If that function is needed to be added please tell me
where this function will go and how can it be added to achieve my goal.

Linda Edwards
A student trying to Finish a Project

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> Linda Kay Edwards <[email protected]> writes:

> I have a question with pine. I know there's a way to create an
> alais using pine. My problem is when sending mail using the
> alais list it will show all the email address that the mail was
> sent to.

You want to read the documentation for pine, especially the part about
bcc: (blind carbon copy).

Robin

--
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Thanks - I got it worked out. -Sarah

On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote:

> Well for starters, what is the *exact* error message you are seeing?
> -Colin.
> On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > To Whom,
> > PINE is asking me to remove data related to /var/mail; I've
> > deleted almost all my saved messages: what do I do now?
> >
> > I'd appreciate any help.
> > Thank you,
> > S. Jackson
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Hello...

I'm Zahuddin from National Library of Malaysia.

I have a problem to login to my e-mail using PINE
The message below appears when I tried to execute PINE after login to my
personal e-mail at [email protected]

Bug in Pine detected: "Out of free storage".
Exiting pine.

The message also appears when my division director tried to open her
send-mail folder.

Curently, our System Analyst is trying to solve the problem.

Please help/advise.

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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Bahagian Pemprosesan Data wrote:

> I'm Zahuddin from National Library of Malaysia.
>
> I have a problem to login to my e-mail using PINE
> The message below appears when I tried to execute PINE after login to my
> personal e-mail at [email protected]
>
> Bug in Pine detected: "Out of free storage".
> Exiting pine.
>
>
> The message also appears when my division director tried to open her
> send-mail folder.
>
> Curently, our System Analyst is trying to solve the problem.

Well, for starters your headers show:

Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I don't recall seeing such an old version of pine in a long time. Pine is
now at "3.96".

I suggest the first step is to upgrade!

Second, how large is your "inbox" and your director's sent-mail folder?

It is very likely that it is too large to be handled by the memory of your
Un*x platform. (BTW, what platform are you on? Sun, HP?)

Regards,
Ed

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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Bahagian Pemprosesan Data wrote:
>
> > Bug in Pine detected: "Out of free storage".
> > Exiting pine.
>
> Well, for starters your headers show:
>
> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
>
> I don't recall seeing such an old version of pine in a long time. Pine is
> now at "3.96".
>
> I suggest the first step is to upgrade!

Agreed. An upgrade is definitely in order.

> It is very likely that it is too large to be handled by the memory of your
> Un*x platform. (BTW, what platform are you on? Sun, HP?)

I doubt that Pine is actually running out of memory. I recall at
least one, and I think there were several, bug(s) that would cause
this that have been fixed since Pine 3.05. If you can't upgrade right
away, you can try to isolate the trigger by manually editing the
folder and splitting it until you find a message that triggers the
crash. The most likely cause is a malformed header that is causing
Pine's parser to choke. I think one problem occurred when a header
ended with a backslash (\) character...

Good luck!

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hi friends,

i am using pine version 3.91.i want to group some mail-id.i searched the
help topics but i could not find any help out of it.can any body suggest
me how to do it.

thank u,
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As of Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:26 PDT, the pine-info mailing list is again
set to allow postings only by its subscribers.

------------------------------------------------------------
Stefan Kramer [email protected]
PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/
Computing & Communications University of Washington
------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Stefan Kramer wrote:

SK> As announced on Mon, 30 Mar 1998, the pine-info mailing list was set to
SK> only accept postings from subscribers yesterday morning (PDT).
SK>
SK> Unfortunately, as it turns out, the ListProcessor serving the list is *not*
SK> sending out notification messages to non-subscribers trying to post to the
SK> list which explain that the message was rejected, and how to subscribe to
SK> the list in order to be able to post to it.
SK>
SK> Until the reasons for this are understood and overcome, this list has been
SK> set back to again allow postings by non-subscribers (effective 7 Apr 1998
SK> 16:06 PDT), since the program-internal help (on the BUG REPORT screen) of
SK> Pine 3.96 and earlier advises users to post a message to this list, and we
SK> don't want that advice to result in messages becoming simply "lost in
SK> cyberspace" (right? ;-).
SK>
SK> Apologies for any inconvenience this may cause to list subscribers.
SK>
SK> ------------------------------------------------------------
SK> Stefan Kramer [email protected]
SK> University of Washington Computing & Communications
SK> ------------------------------------------------------------
SK>
SK> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Stefan Kramer wrote:
SK>
SK> SK> .... Therefore, we are planning on
SK> SK> setting this mailing list to accept postings only by subscribers effective
SK> SK> Monday, April 6, 1998.
SK> SK>
SK> SK> ------------------------------------------------------------
SK> SK> Stefan Kramer [email protected]
SK> SK> University of Washington Computing & Communications
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SK> SK> ------------------------------------------------------------
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On 9 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> > Linda Kay Edwards <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > I have a question with pine. I know there's a way to create an
> > alais using pine. My problem is when sending mail using the
> > alais list it will show all the email address that the mail was
> > sent to.
>
> You want to read the documentation for pine, especially the part about
> bcc: (blind carbon copy).
>
> Robin

Or even the LCC: (list carbon copy).

-c
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Academic Computing Services UMDNJ

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I have set it up on AIX 3.2.5. Should not be different on 4.2. It is
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Please forward specific questions.

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> Hello..
>
> Has anyone setup e-mail to fax gateway on RS6000 AIX4.2.1 using HylaFAX
> and PINE3.96
>
>
> Appreciate you help.
> Many Thanks
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> Cheers,
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Sorry for the intrusion, but there hasn't been any mail since Sunday and I
was wondering if it was my server or the list.

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ona <[email protected]> wrote in pine-list :

>Sorry for the intrusion, but there hasn't been any mail since Sunday and I
>was wondering if it was my server or the list.

If you have problems (or suspected problems) with your subscription to
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I think it's the list...creepy how quiet it is when the only speakers are
subscribers :)

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, ona wrote:

> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:58:33 +0000 (GMT)
> From: ona <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: test
>
> Sorry for the intrusion, but there hasn't been any mail since Sunday and I
> was wondering if it was my server or the list.
>
>
>

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:

> I think it's the list...creepy how quiet it is when the only speakers are
> subscribers :)
>
> Vinnie
> --

I can SPAM you if it will make you feel better. :)

Ona

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no thanks, I already had dinner :) Anyway, wouldn't that be awfully gooky?

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, ona wrote:

> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:24:14 +0000 (GMT)
> From: ona <[email protected]>
> To: Drachen <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: test
>
> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:
>
> > I think it's the list...creepy how quiet it is when the only speakers are
> > subscribers :)
> >
> > Vinnie
> > --
>
> I can SPAM you if it will make you feel better. :)
>
> Ona
>
>
>

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:

> no thanks, I already had dinner :) Anyway, wouldn't that be awfully
> gooky?

I wouldn't mind being spammed as long as she was really cute, but I'd
still prefer pudding.

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:
>
> > no thanks, I already had dinner :) Anyway, wouldn't that be awfully
> > gooky?
>
> I wouldn't mind being spammed as long as she was really cute, but I'd
> still prefer pudding.

I was thinking more along the lines of SPAM and Monty Python, but pudding
wouldn't be bad either!

Ona

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, ona wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:
>
> > I think it's the list...creepy how quiet it is when the only speakers are
> > subscribers :)
> >
> > Vinnie
> > --
>
> I can SPAM you if it will make you feel better. :)

Got any chocolate pudding? ;-)

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, ona wrote:

> > I wouldn't mind being spammed as long as she was really cute, but I'd
> > still prefer pudding.
>
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of SPAM and Monty Python, but pudding
> wouldn't be bad either!

Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, ...laa laa laa... ;)

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:

> > I can SPAM you if it will make you feel better. :)
>
> Got any chocolate pudding? ;-)

You must have me confused with Bill Cosby, I don't share my chocolate
pudding! :)

Ona

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, ona wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote:
>
> > > I can SPAM you if it will make you feel better. :)
> >
> > Got any chocolate pudding? ;-)
>
> You must have me confused with Bill Cosby, I don't share my chocolate
> pudding! :)

rofl...not even for a little kinky fun?

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Hi.

I'm new to the Pine list and have a question which perhaps someone can
answer: does some significant portion of the discussion on this group
actually have to do with the Pine program?

So far I've been subscribed for all of one day and seem to have received
about ten messages not regarding Pine, and none at all on topic.

I don't want to sound snooty; it's fine with me if the discussion list is
more of a social thing. If someone could let me know I would appreciate
it, since I might then save bandwidth and unsubscribe.

Thank you.

-frosty

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It's just that they locked out spammers and such, so for the 1st time in
ages, we aren't getting flooded with a: spam and b: the same question(s)
over and over....

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, k. frost wrote:
> So far I've been subscribed for all of one day and seem to have received
> about ten messages not regarding Pine, and none at all on topic.

I think they've all gone mental, waiting for Pine 4.00 to come out. ;)

Neill

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it used to be a place to be spammed, asked totally irrelavent questiosn
(how do I legally change my name comes to mind), see questions already
answered in the faq, usually multiple times, flame the clueless, flame the
clued who were acting clueless and occasionally see real discussion about
pine :)

But recently it was decided that people could only post if they had
subscribed, which apparently has knocked down activities one, two, three
four and five. Activity seven (discussions about spam and pudding) seems
to have moved in to fill the void, though it takes less bandwidth and is
(IMO) less annoying :) If you'd like to participate in activity six, I'd
suggest that you suggest a topic dealing with pine :)

Vinnie
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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, k. frost wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "k. frost" <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Question Regarding Nature of Discussions
>
> Hi.
>
> I'm new to the Pine list and have a question which perhaps someone can
> answer: does some significant portion of the discussion on this group
> actually have to do with the Pine program?
>
> So far I've been subscribed for all of one day and seem to have received
> about ten messages not regarding Pine, and none at all on topic.
>
> I don't want to sound snooty; it's fine with me if the discussion list is
> more of a social thing. If someone could let me know I would appreciate
> it, since I might then save bandwidth and unsubscribe.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -frosty
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> [email protected] http://WWW.MEDIENKUNST.COM/
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>

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Folks,

I am having trouble changing one of the settings for Pine 3.96. The
setting happens to be the "quit-without-confirm" setting. I tried to
uncheck it, and said yes to commit the change, but next time I run pine,
when I quit, it just quits without confirming! Is it a bug?

Nick

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> Nicholas Cheung <[email protected]> writes:

> I am having trouble changing one of the settings for Pine 3.96. The
> setting happens to be the "quit-without-confirm" setting. I tried
> to uncheck it, and said yes to commit the change, but next time I
> run pine, when I quit, it just quits without confirming! Is it a
> bug?

What does ls -al ~/.pinerc tell you?

Robin

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> I have dial-up service at home to Pine through Telnet-hejira.hunter.cuny.edu
> I also have access through my office computer at Hunter College.
> At my office I can print out my e-mail by using the Y command.
>
> When I try to print at home, I use the Y command and the screen says that
> the printing was done, but nothing happens.
>
> I have windows 95 and also DOS programs, and my printer works for all
> those places. I do not see that SETUP is the issue, since I get the
> message that I have printed (using choice 1).
>
> What bit of information am I missing?

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I don't believe that you can print through a telnet connection.

An option for you would be to "E"xport your messages, download them to
your win95/dos machine and then print them from there.

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Eleanor Gilpatrick wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:26:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Eleanor Gilpatrick <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Printing from Pine with Y command
>
>
>
>
> > I have dial-up service at home to Pine through Telnet-hejira.hunter.cuny.edu
> > I also have access through my office computer at Hunter College.
> > At my office I can print out my e-mail by using the Y command.
> >
> > When I try to print at home, I use the Y command and the screen says that
> > the printing was done, but nothing happens.
> >
> > I have windows 95 and also DOS programs, and my printer works for all
> > those places. I do not see that SETUP is the issue, since I get the
> > message that I have printed (using choice 1).
> >
> > What bit of information am I missing?
>
>

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I recently got just the information that I need in a message that
described issues dealing with PINE 3.91 and later operations. I found
it in a message that I had to use the V command to read. Among he
issues was printing with: attached-to-ansi command/configuration. Since
my problem is that I can't print to my desktop printer, I actually lost
that wonderful information by hitting the wrong file order. The message
talked about flow-control problems, and other solutions.
Do you have it?

And would you send it to me again?

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This is the original request. I got the answer I needed and lost it
through misfiling. Could you send answer again please?

On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Eleanor Gilpatrick wrote:

>
>
>
> > I have dial-up service at home to Pine through Telnet-hejira.hunter.cuny.edu
> > I also have access through my office computer at Hunter College.
> > At my office I can print out my e-mail by using the Y command.
> >
> > When I try to print at home, I use the Y command and the screen says that
> > the printing was done, but nothing happens.
> >
> > I have windows 95 and also DOS programs, and my printer works for all
> > those places. I do not see that SETUP is the issue, since I get the
> > message that I have printed (using choice 1).
> >
> > What bit of information am I missing?
>

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:

> I don't believe that you can print through a telnet connection.

Uh, I do it all the time. Your telnet must support passthrough printing,
though. The one that comes with Windows (all versions) is less than
helpful, though (okay - it sucks), and does not permit this. I prefer
QPC's QVTTerm, but there are several other telnets available, both free-,
share-, and other(?)-ware. Netterm comes to mind.

On the other hand, we've had trouble printing some messages (typically
from GroupWise) which don't wrap properly; we've put in place a script,
as an alternative, which opens the printer port and uses 'fold -s' before
sending the stream to the PC, but that doesn't seem to cover all bases.
Anyone else find similar display and printing problems from "foreign"
mail?

> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Eleanor Gilpatrick wrote:
> > > I have dial-up service at home to Pine through Telnet-hejira.hunter.cuny.edu
> > > I also have access through my office computer at Hunter College.
> > > At my office I can print out my e-mail by using the Y command.
> > >
> > > When I try to print at home, I use the Y command and the screen says that
> > > the printing was done, but nothing happens.

Get a different telnet program. What are you using?

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Yes. Oddly enough with a [Spanish?] Mac version of Eudora - took a long
time to work this one out since I couldn't see anything much wrong with
the messages per se. What happens is that Eudora>Eudora and various other
combinations work fine but when this user sends email to other lecturers
and administrative staff in the same School - they use, typically telnet
to the mail system [NCSA telnet on a Mac] and attached-to-ansi to print.
I've tried getting them to change their character set [us-ascii->iso-8859
etc] but this doesn't seem to help.

NCSA telnet is already set by default to use the multi-national DEC
character set so the display is fine. What happens is that the message
scrolls past on the NCSA window, and that's that. This is with varieties
of Mac from an LCII to a 4400 with 32 megs of memory.

I'm aware that macs are a minority sport, but this isn't half frustrating.
The alternative is cut-and-padte and with long messages this is v.
awkward!

We also have the strange situation where - at certain times and with
certain people on Macs - you get either scrolling to the screen _or_
notification that printing is taking place but nothing happens when
using attached-to-ansi. Sometimes it is possible to narrow this down to a
memory problem or some other anonaly, and rebooting this clears the
problem, but not consistently. Nor do the occurences seem to have any real
common factor. Ouch!

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

[ Summary ]

How can display-filters be enabled in Pine version 3.96? Adding a trigger
and command line to the display-filters option in the configuration menu
is not working at present.

The following is copied out of my .pinerc file. The '\', as usual,
signifies a continued line.

display-filters=_LEADING("-----BEGIN PGP")_ /home/dinselj/bin/mailpgp \
RECEIVED _TMPFILE_

[ Timely repost ]

I'm the author of a program that allows for easy verification of PGP
signatures for users of Pine. The program is entitled mailPGP. It works
beautifully with Pine 3.95, but when a user is using Pine 3.96, the
display-filter is apparently not being run.

With the change to Pine 3.96, is there something that needs to be modified
to make display-filters work? Even if I take my .pinerc from pine 3.95 and
encorperate it into Pine 3.96, the display filter is not run.

Thanks,
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Jeremy Dinsel (PGP key: finger [email protected] )
(PGP key: http://sighsy.cup.edu/~dinselj)
Cal U Math and Computer (PGP use preferred)
Science World Wide Web
System Administrator

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Version: 2.6.2

iQCVAwUBNTYRDi5yRnebQKZtAQGoJgP+KoC/Sh3FbFKRo+Ho3/U7g+jYoOpZ1ROQ
dpVPVJHdOJ29Wu2a9Zgir7ktKcf97cQfymXCiEcG3ZT8/Y4kLh5t2PCz0sqHb09e
7mLPElPzFtBTSRjTEveu3F/vRsw16YN6FNYyNkwS37XFI1pKE+ZQVKE0GyItSmJu
c1QllljmkgA=
=b+uq
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neat. I'll have to look at that.

I suppose that's what I get for using the tools that come with M$ OSes
(waitaminute..did windows 3.1 come with telnet? blah. whatever :) )

The only thing I use telnet for these days is troubleshooting. Which
brings up an interesting question.hmm.......

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 [email protected] wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:48:56 -0400 (EDT)
> From: [email protected]
> To: Drachen <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Printing from Pine with Y command
>
> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:
>
> > I don't believe that you can print through a telnet connection.
>
> Uh, I do it all the time. Your telnet must support passthrough printing,
> though. The one that comes with Windows (all versions) is less than
> helpful, though (okay - it sucks), and does not permit this. I prefer
> QPC's QVTTerm, but there are several other telnets available, both free-,
> share-, and other(?)-ware. Netterm comes to mind.
>
> On the other hand, we've had trouble printing some messages (typically
> from GroupWise) which don't wrap properly; we've put in place a script,
> as an alternative, which opens the printer port and uses 'fold -s' before
> sending the stream to the PC, but that doesn't seem to cover all bases.
> Anyone else find similar display and printing problems from "foreign"
> mail?
>
> > On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Eleanor Gilpatrick wrote:
> > > > I have dial-up service at home to Pine through Telnet-hejira.hunter.cuny.edu
> > > > I also have access through my office computer at Hunter College.
> > > > At my office I can print out my e-mail by using the Y command.
> > > >
> > > > When I try to print at home, I use the Y command and the screen says that
> > > > the printing was done, but nothing happens.
>
> Get a different telnet program. What are you using?
>
> c
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Is there any documentation (or better: examples) of the display-filters
feature? I mean more than that in the online help screens and the
tech-notes files. I've searched the pine-info archives,
www.washington.edu/pine, dejanews, and a couple of other sites, and the
pickings have been a bit slim.

I'm hoping that setting a display-filter (or more than one) will help
display and print incoming mail from MUAs that insist on sending oddly
formatted messages that either display poorly or print badly (if at all).
As an example, a message with no newlines (or oddly formatted newlines) in
it will display allright, but print badly.

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>From: Cliff Green <[email protected]>
>Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:56:39 -0400 (EDT)

>Is there any documentation (or better: examples) of the display-filters
>feature? . . .

>I'm hoping that setting a display-filter (or more than one) will help
>display and print incoming mail from MUAs that insist on sending oddly
>formatted messages that either display poorly or print badly (if at all).

We are well past my area of expertise, but I'll throw in a question. Why must
display-filters be used at all? It seems that it isn't necessary to use it to
hook in outside programs. Is its purpose to be an option of last resort?

>As an example, a message with no newlines (or oddly formatted newlines) in
>it will display allright, but print badly.

Oddly-formatted Newlines, perchance evil quote-printable? You really aren't
looking for a filter, but a method of format conversion to what your printer
really expects.

<whine on>I really don't want to learn all this stuff. I've decided that
everyone is going to agree to use a common standard and stick to it.<whine off>

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I have given it all up in favor of another "server" called QVT/Term.
All that "help" was not directed to the user, I found, but to the central
facility, in this case Hunter College. The person there said they were
all tried to no avail. The "terminal" program is now working well for
me. So I use telnet when I don't want to print and Terminal when I do.
They both get me to my Pine files.

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >From: Cliff Green <[email protected]>
> >Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:56:39 -0400 (EDT)
>
> >Is there any documentation (or better: examples) of the display-filters
> >feature? . . .
>
> >I'm hoping that setting a display-filter (or more than one) will help
> >display and print incoming mail from MUAs that insist on sending oddly
> >formatted messages that either display poorly or print badly (if at all).
>
> We are well past my area of expertise, but I'll throw in a question. Why must
> display-filters be used at all? It seems that it isn't necessary to use it to
> hook in outside programs. Is its purpose to be an option of last resort?
>
> >As an example, a message with no newlines (or oddly formatted newlines) in
> >it will display allright, but print badly.
>
> Oddly-formatted Newlines, perchance evil quote-printable? You really aren't
> looking for a filter, but a method of format conversion to what your printer
> really expects.
>
> <whine on>I really don't want to learn all this stuff. I've decided that
> everyone is going to agree to use a common standard and stick to it.<whine off>
>
>

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On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >From: Cliff Green <[email protected]>
> >Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:56:39 -0400 (EDT)
>
> >Is there any documentation (or better: examples) of the display-filters
> >feature? . . .
>
> >I'm hoping that setting a display-filter (or more than one) will help
> >display and print incoming mail from MUAs that insist on sending oddly
> >formatted messages that either display poorly or print badly (if at all).
>
> We are well past my area of expertise, but I'll throw in a question. Why must
> display-filters be used at all?

Merely because I feel the need to approach the problem from more than
one direction.

> It seems that it isn't necessary to use it to hook in outside
> programs. Is its purpose to be an option of last resort?

I guess you could say so.

> >As an example, a message with no newlines (or oddly formatted newlines) in
> >it will display allright, but print badly.
>
> Oddly-formatted Newlines, perchance evil quote-printable?

Yup. Looks that way.

> You really aren't looking for a filter, but a method of format
> conversion to what your printer really expects.

Among other things, but yes - that would suffice for now.

> <whine on>I really don't want to learn all this stuff. I've decided
> that everyone is going to agree to use a common standard and stick to
> it.<whine off>

<snide>
Yeah, me too. However, that realistically works only when one is higher
on the food chain. (Hmm, how to say this without getting fired?) In a
multi-MUA environment, with multiple mail systems loosely tied together
in an Enterprise Message System (tm), some Users are More Equal than
others. We get to enforce standards and good practices with most
accounts, and then chase our tails for others.
</snide>

The goal here is to provide smooth interoperability, with a minimum of
fuss. Anyway, usually the users involved are pretty reasonable; it's
only when Middle Management gets involved that life gets tense. <sigh>

c
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Most Pine users find the "Y" command a quick and simple method to print an
e-mail message in Pine. Is there a similarly quick and simple print
command in Pico? I haven't found reference to one in the documentation,
although I could easily have missed it. Thanks, Bill.

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We have since moved mail off of our main computer , and now pine users must
use pine with Imap, I have setup a conf file so that all pine users
default to the Imap server.

The problem is there are some email messages that case pine to crash with
the following:

[Not a string: ("TEXT" "html" ("CHARSET" "iso-8859-1") NIL NIL
"QUOTED-PRINTABL]

Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
Pine Exiting.
Abort (core dumped)

And they can not read it and I have no idea how to fix this.. I am
assumung from the above that the message is in HTML format

Can anyone help me shed some light on this before our users lynch me to the
nearest tree :)

Jim
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> Jim Hribnak <[email protected]> writes:

> The problem is there are some email messages that case pine to
> crash with the following: [Not a string: ("TEXT" "html" ("CHARSET"
> "iso-8859-1") NIL NIL "QUOTED-PRINTABL]
^^^
Typo?

> And they can not read it and I have no idea how to fix this.. I am
> assumung from the above that the message is in HTML format Can
> anyone help me shed some light on this before our users lynch me to
> the nearest tree :)

Check your metamail setup, especially /etc/mailcap or whichever
mailcap you're using.

Robin

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How do I map the ^_ (Ctrl Shift -) key to toggle between default
and alternate editors in Pine 3.96?

I am using an apparently vt-220 terminal to type files
offline, which I then upload via a telephone hookup to my ISP
in pine with the upload option. I then edit them with vim
in pine before sending them.

The terminal does not transmit codes for ctrl-shift combinations. I tried
it in vim in insert mode, first typing ^V and then ^_ but nothing appeared
on the screen.

I need to be able to toggle between the default editor and alternate
editor, because I want to use ^R, then ^Y to upload the files and this
means I have to access the default editor (PICO). In vim, these keys
are used for other functions.

::::GReg Matheson MAke a mistake: TRy it , You'll like it
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>From: Green Matheson <[email protected]>
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:33:23 +0900 (KST)

>How do I map the ^_ (Ctrl Shift -) key to toggle between default
>and alternate editors in Pine 3.96?

Can't advise you; I don't know what comm program you use.

>I am using an apparently vt-220 terminal to type files offline, which I then
>upload via a telephone hookup to my ISP in pine with the upload option. I then
>edit them with vim in pine before sending them.

If you are offline, why do you emulate any terminal at all? Why don't you use
DOS or Windows applications available to you?

>The terminal does not transmit codes for ctrl-shift combinations. I tried
>it in vim in insert mode, first typing ^V and then ^_ but nothing appeared
>on the screen.

You sure you are emulating vt-220? You have this set in your .profile or .login
as well in your home directory on the remote computer?

>I need to be able to toggle between the default editor and alternate
>editor, because I want to use ^R, then ^Y to upload the files and this
>means I have to access the default editor (PICO). In vim, these keys
>are used for other functions.

Fortunately, there's a work-around when your terminal emulation eats control
key combinations. [esc][esc]<key> is equivalent to [control]<key>.

Your life would probably be easier if you performed the upload outside of pine
with ZMODEM, and then read the file into the composer from your home directory.

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Thanks to Adam H. Kerman <[email protected]>
for the help with the terminal emulation which eats
control-shift combinations. <esc><esc><key> works for
me instead of <Ctrl-key>.

Just to elucidate the terminal I am working with, it is a HiTEL
terminal distributed free by the Korean Telecom telephone company,
not an IBM-compatible PC. I think it is modeled on the French Minitel.
It has a rudimentary wordprocessing facility off-line. I doubt the
hardware transmits the control-shift combinations.

I like the upload and download options in Pine because it is quicker
and I don't have to clean up my home directory afterwards. I also
like vi so I'm glad I can now use them both from this terminal.

Thanks again.

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Hi,

I've tried to compile and run pine 3.96 on HP-UX 10.20. The compilation
was clear and it's possible to run pine.
..BUT ...
When I run the command pine and try to compose new message ( 1-st time
after running command pine) and when going to line "Subject", in the
bottom line appears label "[still rebuilding </>]" (with rotating slash)
and cursor is moved to the beggining of that line. So next typed chars
are written to the bottom line (tried on three different types of
terminals).

If I send message it will be sent properly. And next composing of
message is without label "[still rebuilding </>]" and it's OK.

Have anyone had the same problem ?

Thanks, Miro.
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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Miroslav Vrabel wrote:

> When I run the command pine and try to compose new message ( 1-st time
> after running command pine) and when going to line "Subject", in the
> bottom line appears label "[still rebuilding </>]" (with rotating slash)
> and cursor is moved to the beggining of that line.

If this problem only occurs when the user "root" is trying to compose the
message, that would be the result of bug in the addressbook update code.

Attached to this message, you will find a patch that Steve Hubert of the
Pine Development Team posted last year, which fixes the problem nicely.
Apply the patch, rebuild Pine and you should be in business!

Best regards,

- Richard Gering.

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I wonder if anyone knows how to unsubscribe to pine-info.
I am used to having that listed at the end of messages, and all my
attempts have failed. I seem not to know to whom my request should be
addressed.

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Aargh! Why the hell isn't administrivia turned on? All messages like this
should be bounced to the list owner. Typically, administrivia looks for words
that look like commands in the Subject and first 10 lines of the body.

>From: Eleanor Gilpatrick <[email protected]>
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:06:01 -0400 (EDT)

>I wonder if anyone knows how to unsubscribe to pine-info. I am used to having
>that listed at the end of messages, and all my attempts have failed. I seem
>not to know to whom my request should be addressed.

I've exposed the full headers from your message. This is what you do to figure
out what list server runs a list.

>Return-Path: <[email protected]>
>Sender: [email protected]

These 2 lines are an alias for a person, the list owner. If you have trouble
with commands, send a message to this person.

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This tells you that the server is ListProc. So, send a message

To: [email protected]

[leave Subject blank]

signoff [or unsubscribe] pine-info [the e-mail address you subscribed under]

[delete any .sig]

Other common servers are Majordomo and LISTSERV. The procedure is generally
similar. Sometimes on ListProc and LISTSERV lists you MUST use signoff rather
than unsubscribe. Signoff was the traditional command, and they sometimes
forget to alias unsubscribe to it.

Generally the alias for the list owner is owner-[listname], except pine-info
uses [listname]-owner, which is nonstandard.

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> Richard Gering <[email protected]> writes:

> Attached to this message, you will find a patch that Steve Hubert
> of the Pine Development Team posted last year, which fixes the
> problem nicely. Apply the patch, rebuild Pine and you should be in
> business!

Ok, I've had enough of this. Heheheee... AFAIK, there's no central
page collecting valuable tips like this[1] so I've launched one:

<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine-tips.html>

If you've got something you think is cool and deserves going down in
history and don't have your own webspace or know fsck all about HTML
or simply are too lazy to bother converting that stuff, throw it my
way and it will be included. Things I feel might be cool:

o Random signatures
o Fancy Mailcap entries
o Good sending filters (escpecially the pgp stuff)
o Patches like the one fixing... well, cool patches, y'know?
o Screenshots with scantily clad females using pine

Also, a simple .procmailrc (mine is cluttered across 23 files and
weighs some 370k[2]) would be rad. Or wouldn't it? Dunno...

A small note about the colours... If you think they suck, take a *really*
close look in the mirror before saying it. And read the warning sign on
my entry page... Ya know, it's a men's world after all - only wussies use
Netrape or Intranet Exploder. Duuuuuuuhhhhhh...

God, I'm bored.

Robin

Footnotes:
[1] Probably, the Pine site is full of it and I look a complete jerk
now, but what the heck...

[2] No, I will not make it publicly available, don't bother...

--
Robin S. Socha <http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/>
I'm heading north, I'm heading home, doing 125
I close my eyes and count to ten ha ha yeah I'm still alive

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My version of PINE went through an auto-upgrade and now I

cannot see any of my old folders.

I have it pointed to the right path and I can use GOTO FOLDER to
see the actual information.

It just doesn't show up normally, though.

Any suggestions?

Kirk Berthold

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The messages distributed to this list should now contain the URL for the
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------------------------------------------------------------
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Computing & Communications University of Washington
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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Eleanor Gilpatrick wrote:

EG} Message-ID: <[email protected]>
EG} From: Eleanor Gilpatrick <[email protected]>
EG} To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
EG} Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:06:01 -0400 (EDT)
EG} Subject: Where to send unsubscribe message
EG}
EG} I wonder if anyone knows how to unsubscribe to pine-info.
EG} I am used to having that listed at the end of messages, and all my
EG} attempts have failed. I seem not to know to whom my request should be
EG} addressed.
EG}
EG}

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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 [email protected] wrote:

} The messages distributed to this list should now contain the URL for the
} "about this list" page in their To: line.

.. preferrably, in a way that does not create a mangled To: header! ;-)

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wouldn't it be better to add it to the bottom..that seems to be the
standard, anyway.

It would make it much easier on the eyes, I tell you.

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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 [email protected] wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: [email protected]
> To: Pine Discussion Forum - http:
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>
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> "about this list" page in their To: line.
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> Stefan Kramer [email protected]
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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Drachen wrote:

D} wouldn't it be better to add it to the bottom..that seems to be the
D} standard, anyway.
D}
D} It would make it much easier on the eyes, I tell you.
D} ....

I agree, but there appears to be no configuration to append "constant" text
to each posting with ListProc. I have checked with our ListProc caretakers
to see whether there is a way, and in that case will definitely move the
text to the bottom. (For now, I've made it shorter.)

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> owner-pine-info <[email protected]> writes:

Cool, Mr Kramer is now part of the Pine Collective. Stefan of
Pine... }:->

> Posting to the list requires subscription to the list.

Ummm, we're all on it, aren't we? Was that some kind of test posting
for the people that are now subscribing?

> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/

I'd put those in <> to make them browsable.

I just put another lynx-from-within pine script up on the tips
page. Anyone got a random-sig script and a well set up mailcap?

I just had this other weird idea, dunno if it's any good - how about
an htmlized .pinerc with links to the respective help files. Should be
a cakewalk but I'm not sure anyone sees any real need for that...

Later,
Robin

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>From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]>
>Date: 23 Apr 1998 20:21:08 +0200

>>owner-pine-info <[email protected]> writes:

>Cool, Mr Kramer is now part of the Pine Collective. Stefan of Pine... }:->

Missed it. Thanks Stefan for making the owner-pine-info alias point to you!

Hm, with the information straddling more than one line, it makes it difficult
for me to reply to the list. Typically, I "reply to all", cut the To, cut the
Cc (pine-info, in this case), move cursor to To, and uncut so that pine-info's
on the To.

I can't do that anymore.

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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

AHK} ....
AHK} Thanks Stefan for making the owner-pine-info alias point to you!

This will be subject to change, of course, such as when I'm on vacations or
whatever, when it will point to a colleague.

AHK} Hm, with the information straddling more than one line, it makes
AHK} it difficult for me to reply to the list. Typically, I "reply to
AHK} all", cut the To, cut the Cc (pine-info, in this case), move
AHK} cursor to To, and uncut so that pine-info's on the To.
AHK}
AHK} I can't do that anymore.

I see what you mean -- and I see no way of keeping it to one line with the
URL included. This was intended to be helpful to guide people lost for
information on how to unsubscribe etc. to the right place, since ListProc
doesn't (yet?) provide for appending that to postings, but it sounds like
it creates more problems than it solves. Opinions from other list members?

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Stefan Kramer \|/ [email protected]
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On 23 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

RSS} ....
RSS} Ummm, we're all on it, aren't we? Was that some kind of test posting
RSS} for the people that are now subscribing?

For one thing, it was to test to see how the message with the URL would now
look like. ;-) But also: The list currently has 278 subscribers, many of
which probably subscribed eons ago (when this was still a Majordomo-run
list, a mirror of comp.mail.pine, etc.), so I intend to send that out as an
occasional reminder of the list's purpose in the grand scheme of the
universe and all that ...

RSS} > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
RSS}
RSS} I'd put those in <> to make them browsable.

Uh, come again ("make them browsable"?) ... ?

RSS} ....

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Please to someone (sorry), I need information about to get on line with pine
directly. Is possible?.

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>To: "Pine-Info mailing list [about: www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/]"
<[email protected]>
>From: Luis Enrique Delgado Escobar <[email protected]>
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:51:11 -0500 (GMT-0500)

>Please to someone (sorry), I need information about to get on line with pine
>directly. Is possible?

pine is an e-mail reader. Read about it on the Web at
http://www.washington.edu/pine/

I don't know what you mean by "on line directly".

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> Mr Kramer has been assimilated by [email protected]:
>> On 23 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> ....
>> Ummm, we're all on it, aren't we? Was that some kind of test posting
>> for the people that are now subscribing?

> For one thing, it was to test to see how the message with the URL
> would now look like. ;-)

Not good I'd say. Put that stuff in the footer. Something like:

--
PLEASE read the Pine FAQ and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES!
LIST: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/???
FAQ: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/???
To unsubscribe: send mail to [email protected]
with "unsubscribe" in the message body.

Mind the sigdashes ;-) BTW, your quoting stuff is not son-of-RFC-1632
conformant or something. Even SuperCite cannot handle it. Can pico?
Just kidding...

> But also: The list currently has 278 subscribers, many of which
> probably subscribed eons ago (when this was still a Majordomo-run
> list, a mirror of comp.mail.pine, etc.), so I intend to send that
> out as an occasional reminder of the list's purpose in the grand
> scheme of the universe and all that ...

Oh. I see... World Domination? Good idea.

>> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
>> I'd put those in <> to make them browsable.
> Uh, come again ("make them browsable"?) ... ?

Ummm... Welcome to the 90s, Stefan of Borg. You know, there's this
thing called "WWW". It's got KeWL pixxx and stuff, and people like to
go there with their MUAs. Therefore some kind people did this:
<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine-tips.html#lynxspawn>
and this:
<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine-tips.html#pine-lynx.pl>
so that pine can fire up lynx. Actually, the latter would get along
fine without the brackets, but it's better style to have them, I
guess.

Later,
Robin

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Robin, you cannot be *that* stooopid, can you? (Tim Smith)

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could you please send me a list of all the available newsgroup servers?

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>From: Ken Guin <[email protected]>
>Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:36:35 -0400

>could you please send me a list of all the available newsgroup servers?

No. Go away.

The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss pine, an e-mail reader and news
reader. We can't help you find lost cats, psychicly answer questions about your
local system, direct you to other systems, etc.

We don't know where you live, or whom to direct you to. Did it ever occur to
you to ask your system administrator how to gain access to news? Or, ask
another user of news what system he uses?

>From your Message-ID, you aren't even a pine user.

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I removed my name from this list a long time ago and now it seems I am
back. Please remove me if you can.

If I have inadvertenly sent this message to the wrong address,DO NOT
FLAME ME!!! I don't have time for any of the pettiness that seems to
be rampant with this newsgroup (*news* said lightly).

If I need to send this to another address please be adult and simply
give me the correct address.

Thanks!

Lana

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It was a short-lived experiment: This mailing list's To: header now no
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anyway ;-) possible to append a footer to each posting that will then
contain information about how to unsubscribe, the URL, ...

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> Colin J Raven <[email protected]> disagrees:

> <Awakening from lengthy slumber> I'd say that if 'ya put it in
> the header Stefan, it's fine.

No it's not. Dammit. It sucks. However, pine could be delivered with
some headers enabled, say: "X-URL:..." That way, more people would
visit my website. Ummm... ok, the pine website, too.

> If you adopt Robin's suggestion, thus landing the relevant information
> in the footer...you're bound to get folks asking where the heck it's at
> anyway. The assumption is that the newcomer knows how to scroll through
> an email if you place the necessary info at the end....dangerous to make
> such an assumption I'd say.

Colin, not all newbies are totally clueless. The first message they
get will say what that mail said, and that's cool. No need to have me
hack my .Gnus to filter this stuff. What's that "about:" got to do
there, anyway?

Hello, Pine team: Why doesn't pine come with a texi or SGML refcard/
FAQ/User-Something? That would rock. Admins could print it out and give
people. I still volunteer for that (at least SGML, not necessarily
texi).

> Spawn lynx????

I don't care. Make it a switch. Spawn *something" that reads HTML. More
and more people are using this crap, anyway. The cleanest solution,
IMO, is what Gnus does, namely washing the mails. Then again, XEmacs
has W3 built in, so... Who's got a procmail script that washes HTML
from the body? I want that on the tips page.

> Just imagine a newcomer's utter astonishment when this "thing"
> launches, as he/she accidentally hit "Enter" when on the line
> which contained a link which was actually executable. I don't
> think too many newcomers know what lynx is...

As I said - make it a switch. I still imagine putting together 3 or 4
sample-pinerc in /etc/skel or something and make them do stuff, like
"html-washing-pinerc" or "imap-pinerc" or whatever.

> personally I think it rules, but that's me. (Especially when
> it's launched on a machine that's bolted onto a T3 haha)

*kick* But you're right. Recent versions even do tables.

> I can see the contents of the list if that happened... I can see it.

Somehow, I get this weird feeling that you must have sucked big time
when you were a newbie. Hehehee...

> Subject: "Something happened to my screen"

You're probably right, but I still remember hacking away at my pinerc
for hours only to find Yet Another Switch. Some things are *really*
strangely labelled (aggregate commands???).

> I don't think we wanna go there. :-) Now...What was the question????

Why haven't you contributed to the Tips page?

Have a nice weekend.

Robin

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This is the error we recieve when running Pine 3.96 on HP-UX 10.10

[error sending:553 local config error, hostname not recognized as lo]

Can anyone offer help on this one?

Our /usr/local/lib/pine.conf worked fine until today. I don't see anything
that looks out of the ordinary...but...

If I disable the pine.conf my .pinerc file runs it just fine.

TIA

Mike.................

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On 23 Apr 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
>
> I'd put those in <> to make them browsable.

Pine 4 doesn't need the <> to find the hyperlink and I think it just
clutters up the text. If Netscrape or Internet Exploder needs the <>,
I would say that's reason enough not to put them in ;-)

> Anyone got a random-sig script and a well set up mailcap?

I do, but I still want to clean it up a bit before posting it again.
Search the archives if you really want it...

> I just had this other weird idea, dunno if it's any good - how about
> an htmlized .pinerc with links to the respective help files. Should be
> a cakewalk but I'm not sure anyone sees any real need for that...

I started looking into doing that before I left the Pine Team, but
never got very far with it. Once they get the help text converted to
HTML it'll be alot easier.

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I am Stuck. I downloaded and uncompressed pine3_96_tar.Z and used the =
tar xvf command. It created a directory /pine3.96 and various other sub =
directories. When I use the command build sco it gives me the following =
errors:
ln: cannot create c-client: File already exists
ln: cannot create imapd: =20
File already exists
Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
/build: make: not found=20
Making Pico and Pilot
/build: make: not found=20
Making Pine.
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=20
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> Jim Norman <[email protected]> writes:

> I am Stuck. I downloaded and uncompressed pine3_96_tar.Z and used
> the tar xvf command.

x_z_f, I presume?

> It created a directory /pine3.96 and various other sub directories.
> When I use the command build sco it gives me the following errors:
> ln: cannot create c-client: File already exists ln: cannot create
> imapd: File already exists Making c-client library, mtest and imapd

make distclean ? Haven't built pine in months...

> ../build: make: not found
> How do I resolve this error.

$ which make

> <text/html; iso-8859-1 (quoted-printable)>]

Could you *please* turn this crap off? Thank you very, very much.

Robin

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On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, K.M. Jeary wrote:

> [...] they use, typically telnet
> to the mail system [NCSA telnet on a Mac] and attached-to-ansi to print.
> I've tried getting them to change their character set [us-ascii->iso-8859
> etc] but this doesn't seem to help.

I've had much success with BetterTelnet, based on the original NCSA source
and enhanced/fixed in many ways. I highly reccomend it over the original
NCSA.
<http://www.cstone.net/~rbraun/mac/telnet/>

Also, I've not had much luck getting ZTerm to like passthrough printing,
but found a shareware backage as same price as Zterm, called Black Knight
(I think) that handles passthrough printing well.

good luck,

-jeff

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Hi,

I downloaded pine_3.96L-7. When I want to build it with the command ``build
lnx'', I get output on STDERR as you can see at the bottom of this posting.

I've read the FAQ and searched the archives, but still haven't got a clue on
how to obtain my binaries. Does anyone over here have?

Thanks,

Bye,

Joost

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
mtest.o: In function `prompt':
/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client/mtest.c:460: the `gets' function is dangerous and should not be used.
c-client.a(osdep.o): In function `server_login':
/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client/log_std.c:52: undefined reference to `crypt'
make[3]: *** [mtest] Error 1
make[2]: *** [lnx] Error 2
make[1]: *** [build] Error 2
make: *** [lnx] Error 2
osdep.c: In function `errstr':
osdep.c:1341: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:221: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
make: *** [osdep.o] Error 1
os.c:1039: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:221: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
os.c: In function `post_reap':
os.c:1740: warning: passing arg 2 of `waitpid' from incompatible pointer type
make: *** [os.o] Error 1
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
size: bin/mtest: No such file or directory
size: bin/imapd: No such file or directory
size: bin/pico: No such file or directory
size: bin/pilot: No such file or directory

------------------------------------------------------------------

on STDOUT I get this:

------------------------------------------------------------

make args are "CC=cc "

Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=lnx
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap'
echo lnx > OSTYPE
rm -rf systype
ln -s ANSI systype
cd ANSI/c-client; make lnx
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client'
make mtest OS=lnx EXTRADRIVERS="" \
STDPROTO=bezerkproto MAILSPOOL=/var/spool/mail \
ACTIVEFILE=/usr/lib/news/active NEWSSPOOL=/var/spool/news \
RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-g -O -DNFSKLUDGE "
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client'
/drivers imap nntp pop3 mh tenex mtx mmdf bezerk news phile dummy
rm -f CCTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h
echo cc > CCTYPE
echo -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE > CFLAGS
echo > LDFLAGS
ln -s os_lnx.h osdep.h
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE -c mtest.c -o mtest.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/vanbaal/pine-3.96L.orig/imap'

Making Pico and Pilot
cc -c -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE osdep.c

Making Pine.
cc -g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE -c os.c -o os.o

Links to executables are in bin directory:
Done

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My ISP mirrors my test-mails as attachment in MIME messages
(message/rfc822). I cannot see all mirrored headers of my original mail
in the attachment which the mirror produces.

I believe that pine (version 3.95) eats some headers imbedded in the
attachment. This is not good.

Any comments?

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Dear All,

Do you know if PINE supports the requesting of and (meaningful) display of
Internet "Delivery Status Notification"s, a.k.a. NOTARY, a.k.a Delivery
Reports, a.k.a. RFC1891->RFC1894?

Early tests suggest it displays as text (which is OK, but not ideal) a
message/delivery-status and I can't see any hooks to allow it to set the
request flag. [This is with pine 3.96].

I couldn't see a mention of this planned for pine 4.00 - anyone else have
any info?

If not, where is the best place/list to go to get involved in Pine
development? :-)

regards,

jb

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On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, John Berthels wrote:

> Do you know if PINE supports the requesting of and (meaningful) display of
> Internet "Delivery Status Notification"s, a.k.a. NOTARY, a.k.a Delivery
> Reports, a.k.a. RFC1891->RFC1894?
>
> Early tests suggest it displays as text (which is OK, but not ideal) a
> message/delivery-status and I can't see any hooks to allow it to set the
> request flag. [This is with pine 3.96].
>
> I couldn't see a mention of this planned for pine 4.00 - anyone else have
> any info?

Pine 4.00 will be able to make DSN requests, but it won't do much in
the way of handling the reports (unless someone's done alot of coding
in the last couple months ;-) It's so rare to find a complete
delivery path that supports DSN now that it's a bit hard to test too.

> If not, where is the best place/list to go to get involved in Pine
> development? :-)

This is the place to start. There is a pre-release list of people who
will get a copy of Pine shortly before the public release to iron out
port-specific bugs they can't test directly. The Pine Team usually
likes to see some demonstrated familiarity with building and patching
Pine before they put you on that list though. Requests to get on the
list should go to [email protected]. (Tip: make sure the
subject: of your message make it clear what you want; the Pine Team
often doesn't read messages that don't stand out...)

Good luck!

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Hello,

I use pine at SINIX (Siemens Unix), RISC processor.
>From _time_to_time_ I have core dumped. It always happen
while starting pine ( sorting INBOX). I include
messages from dbx (command: where):

---- cut here ----
percent_sorted(), line 2457 in "mailindx.c"
$b28, line 673 in "signals.c"
alarm_signal(), line 673 in "signals.c"
sigacthandler() at 0x18038398
ioctl() at 0x1803a970
tcsetattr() at 0x1804dc58
intr_proc(state = 1), line 593 in "ttyin.c"
intr_handling_on(), line 810 in "signals.c"
sort_current_folder(defer_on_intr = 0, default_so = SortArrival, default_reverse = 0), line 3254 in "mailindx.c"
do_broach_folder(newfolder = "INBOX", new_context = 0x694f00), line 3832 in "mailcmd.c"
$b86, line 798 in "pine.c"
main(argc = 1, argv = 0x7ffef85c), line 798 in "pine.c"
__start() at 0x4023c4
---- cut here ----

Note!: it doesn't happen always ! From time to time !

Regards
przemol

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I am having trouble logging onto my remote UNIX computer, where my
inbox is located. I am trying to set up PC-pine but I am unable to access
any remote folders on my remote unix. If you could be of any help, with
suggestions, or ANY ideas, please respond. I would like to resolve this
issue.

Thanks,
Jared