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To who it may concern,
       I reviewed your letter on MS-TNEF in hopes of resolving a like
problem.
Where do i find a plug in for Netscape that can handle such a
translation? Thanks.

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we can't decode mime files. please help if you can

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Have e-mails with attachments that says must be converted with BinHex 4.0.

I have downloaded e-mails and stuffit expander.  I have been unable to
convert files.  I need help because I am apparently not doing it correctly.
Please send step by step instructions.  I am new at this computer game.  My
computer is a Mac Performa.

Thank you very much in advance.


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 This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
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       I sent the following message to Pine  Developers and their form
response suggested I post this request to their news group.  Can anyone
help?  Thanks,
                       [email protected]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:13:56 -0500 (EST)
From: guyrin <[email protected]>
To: Pine Developers <[email protected]>
Subject: Bug (ID Y777J):


My internet access server is at Penn State in State College ,  PA where I
live.  I spend most of the winter in North Miami Beach, Florida.  While
in Florida I use Prodigy Internet to telnet to my server in PA. I use
pine to access my e-mail.  However, I find that I am not able to print
my e-mail messages from pine.  I am using print to ainsi as I do in
PA.

       Is there a way I can print from Pine when in Florida?  I
appreciate your suggestions.

                       Guy E. Rindone
                       [email protected]
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========== struct pine * ==========
ui:     login = rindone, full = Guy Rindone
       home = /home/faculty/rindone
home_dir=       /home/faculty/rindone
hostname=       pangaea
localdom=       pangaea
userdom=        ems.psu.edu
maildom=        ems.psu.edu
cur_cntxt=      mail/[]
cur_fldr=       INBOX
actual mbox=    inbox
msgmap: tot=0, cur=0, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival
inbox is mail_stream
term type=vt100, ttyname=/dev/pts/2, size=24x80, speed=normal
======= Current_val options set =======
       personal-name : guyrin
             user-id : rindone
         user-domain : ems.psu.edu
         nntp-server : news.ems.psu.edu
          inbox-path : inbox
  folder-collections : mail/[]
    news-collections : *{news.ems.psu.edu/nntp}[]
         default-fcc : sent-mail
    postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
      mail-directory : mail
      signature-file : .signature
        address-book : .addressbook
 saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
       fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
            sort-key : arrival
  addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
use-only-domain-name : no
             printer : attached-to-ansi
personal-print-comma : prt
    standard-printer : lp
last-time-prune-ques : 97.12
   last-version-used : 3.91
       bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
        bugs-address : [email protected]
      elm-style-save : no
     header-in-reply : no
       feature-level : sapling
     old-style-reply : no
      save-by-sender : no
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (/home/faculty/rindone/.pinerc) =======
       personal-name : guyrin
         user-domain : ems.psu.edu
         nntp-server : news.ems.psu.edu
  folder-collections : mail/[]
             printer : attached-to-ansi
personal-print-comma : prt
last-time-prune-ques : 97.12
   last-version-used : 3.91
======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) =======
          inbox-path : inbox
         default-fcc : sent-mail
    postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
      mail-directory : mail
      signature-file : .signature
        address-book : .addressbook
 saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
       fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
            sort-key : arrival
  addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
use-only-domain-name : no
             printer : attached-to-ansi
    standard-printer : lp
       bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
        bugs-address : [email protected]
      elm-style-save : no
     header-in-reply : no
       feature-level : sapling
     old-style-reply : no
      save-by-sender : no
======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
 no-assume-slow-link
 no-auto-move-read-msgs
 no-auto-open-next-unread
 no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
 no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
 no-delete-skips-deleted
 no-disable-config-cmd
 no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
 no-disable-password-cmd
 no-disable-update-cmd
 no-enable-aggregate-command-set
 no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd
 no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
 no-enable-bounce-cmd
 no-enable-flag-cmd
 no-enable-full-header-cmd
 no-enable-incoming-folders
 no-enable-jump-shortcut
 no-enable-mail-check-cue
 no-enable-suspend
 no-enable-tab-completion
 no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd
 no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
 no-expanded-view-of-folders
 no-expunge-without-confirm
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 no-include-header-in-reply
 no-include-text-in-reply
 no-news-approximates-new-status
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 no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
 no-preserve-start-stop-characters
 no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
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 no-save-will-advance
 no-select-without-confirm
 no-show-selected-in-boldface
 no-signature-at-bottom
 no-use-current-dir
 no-use-function-keys

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First, you need to View and the Save the BinHex attachment as files
on your Unix box using Pine...

Then you need to FTP the files from that Unix box to your Macintosh
and then run StuffIt Expander on the file you just got over....

Any questions? just ask...

Andrew



On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> Have e-mails with attachments that says must be converted with BinHex 4.0.
>
> I have downloaded e-mails and stuffit expander.  I have been unable to
> convert files.  I need help because I am apparently not doing it correctly.
>  Please send step by step instructions.  I am new at this computer game.  My
> computer is a Mac Performa.
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
>

Andrew Le           (425) 271-9410 phone
Casabyte LLC        http://www.casabyte.com
Managing networks under one roof.
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I've noticed since I started using Lcc that it works fine as long as I
don't delete any addresses from the list after I've typed the nickname of
the list in the Lcc line and then hit <enter>.  In other words, once I've
done that and leave it alone, no problems.  However, if I go back to that
list in the Lcc field and take out at least one address, once I move the
cursor to either the To line or into the Body, the To line changes from
displaying *only* the list name followed by the :; to the list name
followed by -- followed by ;:  An example is below to clarify this:

If I enter 'All' in the Lcc field and hit <enter>, I get this for the To
line (I've also included the first line of the Lcc field):

To      : All: ;
Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <[email protected]>


If I delete one or more lines from the Lcc field, then move out of that
field, I get this:


To      : All -- Beavis and Butthead: ;
Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <[email protected]>,

Note how the To line shows the name of the first person in the list.

Does anyone else have this, or is there some problem with my setup?  I'll
include the configuration if you need more details.

Greg
[email protected]


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please mail bomb me, I am conducting a study; don't worry, I have
another separate account.  This account is for you to bomb:
[email protected]
thank you very much
jeff

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>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971201182210.2141G-100000@slip-3>
                      ^^^^
>From: Shoeless in San Jose <[email protected]>

>If I enter 'All' in the Lcc field and hit <enter>, I get this for the To
>line (I've also included the first line of the Lcc field):

>To      : All: ;
>Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <[email protected]>

>If I delete one or more lines from the Lcc field, then move out of that
>field, I get this:

>To      : All -- Beavis and Butthead: ;
>Lcc     : All -- Beavis and Butthead <[email protected]>,

>Note how the To line shows the name of the first person in the list.

This was a problem with the original version 3.95. If the full name of a
distribution list was blank, the full name of the first person on the list
would appear in the To header. There was a patch to 3.95 to correct this.

But, your message ID indicates you are using 3.96.

Sure, report the bug. Make sure you describe your hardware and version of Unix
that you are running.


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On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> This was a problem with the original version 3.95. If the full name of a
> distribution list was blank, the full name of the first person on the list
> would appear in the To header. There was a patch to 3.95 to correct this.
>
> But, your message ID indicates you are using 3.96.

Oops, forgot that very important bit of info, but fortunately you knew how
to extract it.

> Sure, report the bug. Make sure you describe your hardware and version
> of Unix that you are running.

Yep, I checked just now...the full name isn't blank on the list, but I
still get that problem, so I'll send it off to the bug-zappers and see if
they have a clue.  More annoying than anything; nothing I can't live with
for now, but at least I'd like to know that it gets cleared up by 4.00.

Greg
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Subject: vanishing saved-mail files (unix) (3.96)
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I sent in a bug report on this a little while ago, but I haven't heard
anything about it. Not even sure if it's a pine problem, but it's sure
looking that way...

I'm running 3.96 on Solaris 2.5.1 (SunOS 5.5.1 Generic_103640-08 sun4u sparc
SUNW,Ultra-2), with the home directory either mounted via NFS or on local
disk (I tried both with the same result), and ever so often, saved mail
files (fcc files) vanish.

It doesn't appear to be related to an overfull disk, as this happened
recently when the disk was at 45% (plenty of space).  Also, it doesn't seem
to be related to file-size, as the files that have vanished ranged from
quite small to several megabytes. I've got files that I use quite frequently,
which are HUGE, which haven't vanished yet. Memory should also not be an
issue, as the machines I use have several gigabytes of memory (some 2 gig,
others 128Meg, others 3 Gig).

Usually I'll notice that the file is gone, when I try to send a message to
someone for whom I KNOW I've created a file, and I'm asked if I want to
create the file for the fcc. Usually I've sent this person email a few hours
previously, although I can't be sure if the file vanished 5 seconds
previously, or five hours.

Has anyone else seen this? I suppose it COULD be OS related (i.e. Solaris'
fault), but somehow that doesn't sound right.

I've turned on debugging for pine, but didn't see anything obvious in a log
file, which was created when it asked me if I wanted to create an fcc file,
which I know existed previously.

I've lost several mail files already, and it's quite annoying, as I rely on
saved mail quite a bit..

Ideas?

jan
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[Another installment of "how do I view html attachments with pine"]

Here is my version of viewing HTML attachments and included HTML from pine.
This is a hack. It is ugly bad code. Use however you want. Other people have
other solutions that work better or worse for them. You may want to try
theirs.

I have this script as a file called ~/bin/view_html.perl

I have a .pinemailcap file which is in my pine mailcap search path.
I have this in my .pinemailcap file:

text/html; ~/bin/view_html.perl %s; needsterminal

That allows me to view attachments. If I get an email which contains HTML
which is not an attachment, I use the "|" command to pipe the message to this
script.

Have fun,

Issac

#!/path/to/perl5 -w

# --------------
# view_html.perl
# takes html in stdin or in a file and raises a currently running netscape
#  to the front with that bit of html in it
# netscape uses X resources to communicate with running instantiations of
#  itself, so you can run this from a different machine (mail server) than
#  your copy of netscape is running on (workstation)
# very unpolished, use at your own risk
# Weird things can happen if your DISPLAY variable is not set correctly.
# Beware!
#
# Issac Roth ([email protected]) 1-Dec-1997
# ----------------------------------------------

# ------ things to change for individual situations

$NETSCAPE = 'netscape4';
$LYNX = '/usr/local/bin/lynx';
 ## TMPDIR should be available via NFS with the same path from all systems
 ## you might run this or a browser from. This dir should already exist.
$TMPDIR = "/users/$ENV{'USER'}/tmp";      # leave off trailing slash

# ------- you probably don't need to change things below here

$htmlfile = "$TMPDIR/htmljunk.$$.html";

# copy the html to a file that is available over NFS
open(TMPHTMLFILE,">$htmlfile") || die "Couldn't open tmp file\n";
while (<>) {
   print TMPHTMLFILE;
}
close(TMPHTMLFILE) || die "couldn't write tmp file\n";


# launch browser
# first try netscape, if we're running X
unless (defined($ENV{'DISPLAY'})) {
   # no X11, run lynx
   system("$LYNX -force_html $htmlfile");
} else {

   # we have X11
   # fork to try to tell a currently running netscape to open our html file
   # if we're running from a mailreader, this is good, because it returns
   # control to the mailreader immediately
 FORK: {
     if ($pid = fork) {
          # parent
         exit(0);
     } elsif (defined $pid) {
         # child
         if (`$NETSCAPE -remote \"openURL(file:$htmlfile)\" 2>&1` =~ /not running on display/) {
             # launch a new one if one didn't exist already
             system("$NETSCAPE $htmlfile");
         }
     }

# ---- the rest of this is all forking error condition nonsense
     elsif ($! =~ /No more process/) {
       # EAGAIN, supposedly recoverable fork error
       # try forking again
       sleep 2;
       redo FORK;
   } else {
       # something strange happened with forking, so die
       die "Can't fork: $! - Try again\n";
   }
 }
}


# clean up after ourselves
unlink($htmlfile);


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II use unix pine with Imap. When I look at messages from my imap server
they have trash at the end. It does not seem to be part of the messages
that was sent.
Here is a sample.
Any ideas on how to fix this.

Thanks Marty [email protected]

This is a test

Marty
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^H0=C0^@^@^@^P^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@\SEEN^@\RECENT^@)^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^=
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NIL=20
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I have a problem with setting outgouing mail filter
in Pine.

I try some simple filter that reads from standard input.
I have read in help that Pine should send text of message
to standard input of the filter program (if _TMPFILE_ is
not used). The filter starts, but doesn't receive any input.
I try even very simple filter such as program cat.
In Pine config there is:  sending-filters=/bin/cat
When I select to send message with this filter, it writes:
Success - Pres Return and then (after pressing Enter):
Problem filtering: Success.

Can anyone help me ?

Thanks Pavel.

P.S. I use linux 2.0.32 and tried Pine 3.95 and 3.96
installed from RPM package.

--
Pavel Kasparek
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From: Solstice <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Viewing HTML in pine
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On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Issac Roth wrote:

> [Another installment of "how do I view html attachments with pine"]

I have something similar but it doesn't require PERL:

1)      copy the /etc/mailcap to your own directory under the file
       name .mailcap

2)      search for the phrase or line "Texts and Fonts"

3)      add the following lines:

       text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-1 %s; copiousoutput
       text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-8 %s; copiousoutput
       text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-7 %s; copiousoutput

4)      Modify your .pinerc file to read:

# Sets the search path for the mailcap cofiguration file.
# NOTE: colon delimited under UNIX, semi-colon delimited under DOS/Windows/OS2.
mailcap-search-path=[home directory paty]/.mailcap:/etc/mailcap

After that... start pine and you should be able to view HTML codes via
PINE.

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Dear Help:
       I was advised that, once I was given my account, I could change
the given password - my ss #. Everyone and everything advises against
using ss#s and things like that, but that is what UNR assigns.
       My question is: how do I change my password?
       Your help will be appreciated. Thanks.



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        them on your computer and resell them.

     *  Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four
        reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible
        for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them
        from you.

2.  IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed
    next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other
    than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose
    out on the majority of your profits.  Once you  understand the way
this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it.
    Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will
    not work. ( I talked to a friend last month who has also done this
    program.  He said he had tried "playing" with it to change the
    results.  Bad idea.... he never got as much money as he did with
    the un-altered version.  Remember, it's a proven method!

    a.  Look below for the listing of available reports.

    b.  After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement
and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This
         person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting
their 50
         grand!

    c.  Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to  REPORT #4.

    d.  Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.

    e.  Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.

    f.  Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.



Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY!



3.  Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and
     save it to your computer.  Make NO changes to the instruction
     portion of this letter.

4.  Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the
    INTERNET!  Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive,
    and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another
    avenue which you could use for advertising is e-mail lists.
    You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you
    can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of it for you.
    BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY!

5.  For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the
    report they ordered.  THAT'S IT!  ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY
    SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!  This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY
    send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt
    because they can't advertise until they receive the report!



------------------------------------------
AVAILABLE REPORTS
------------------------------------------

*** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME ***


Notes:

-  ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT
  CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED -  ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS  MAIL
-  Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets
of paper
-  On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number &amp;
   name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and
  (c) your name &amp; postal address.



PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:


_______________________________________________________________

REPORT #1 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS"

     ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:

           D.C.T.
           P.O.Box 01-01-311
           Cuenca - Ecuador
           South America
_______________________________________________________________

REPORT #2 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

     ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:


           TML
           P.O Box 383
           Pacifica, Ca 94044


______________________________________________________________

REPORT #3 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

     ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:

           NDZ &amp; Co.
           P.O Box 7277
           Atlanta, Ga 30357-0277
_______________________________________________________________

REPORT #4 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS"

     ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:

           FML
           P.O. Box 927603
          San Diego, CA  92192-0603
_______________________________________________________________

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works.
Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first
level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a
larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION
gets ONLY 10 downline members.
Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below.

1st level--your 10 members with
$5............................................$50
2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).....................$500
3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)............$5,000
4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)...$50,000
THIS TOTALS        -----------$55,550

Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only
recruit 10 people each.  Think for a moment what would happen if they
got 20 people to participate!  Most people get 100's of participants!
THINK ABOUT IT!

Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you
can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internet connection
and e-mail is FREE!

REPORT#3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and
purchasing e-mail lists.  Some list &amp; bulk e-mail vendors even
work on trade!



About 50,000 new people get online every month!

******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******


*  TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS!  Be prompt, professional, and
    follow the directions accurately.

*  Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them
   when the orders start coming in because:

      When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested
      product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal &amp; Lottery
      Laws, Title
     18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18,  Section 3005 in the
     U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and
436, which
     state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money
received."

*  ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.

*  Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the
   instructions exactly, your results WILL be SUCCESSFUL!

*  ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL
   SUCCEED!

******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******



Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:

If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks,
continue advertising until you do.  Then, a couple of weeks later you
should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2.  If you don't,
continue advertising until you do.

Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN
RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash
will continue to roll in!

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:

Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in
front of a DIFFERENT report.  You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by
watching which report people are ordering from you.  If you want to
generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the
whole process again!  There is no limit to the income you will
generate from this business!



******* T  E  S  T  I  M  O  N  I  A  L  S *******


  This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY!  Especially
the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it
won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income.  I'm living
proof that it works.  It really is a great opportunity to make
relatively easy money, with little cost to you.  If you do choose to
participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to
financial security.
         Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS

   My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am
a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty
good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about
receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my
knowledge of the population and percentages involved.  I "knew" it
wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and
jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready
to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work...
well, the laugh was on me!  Within two weeks she had received over 50
responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills!
I was shocked!  I was sure that I had it all figured and that it
wouldn't work.  I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her
"hobby."   I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think
of the "rat race" an it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM.
          Frank T., Bel-Air, MD

  I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you.
Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I
even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was
legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!!
         Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC

   The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this
system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a
large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times
before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect
in return for the minimal effort and money required.  To my
astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money
still coming in.
          Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq.

   Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up
my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I
decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just
no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money
back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office
box crammed with orders!  For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had
to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this
year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this
deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There
simply isn't a better investment with a faster return.
        Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI

   I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I
wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea
who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was
e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't
delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!!
         D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN

    This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit
our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the
interest on our money.  The only way on earth that this plan will
work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's
sake don't pass up this golden opportunity.  Good luck and happy
spending!
          Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA


ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO  FINANCIAL
FREEDOM!
NOW  IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS

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We are doing a study on group support systems and cultural barriers. We
would really appreciate it if you could fill out our questionnaire,
posted on the web.

http://members.tripod.com/~Group_Systems/index.html

Thank you in advance.

Arthi & Matthew



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I have several accounts that ideally would all forward into one account,
but I do not want to reveal my primary address in replying to messages
sent to one of the forwarded accounts.  Is there a way to force Pine to
declare my address to match whatever the "To:" address is? (Preferably,
Pine should check the "To:" address against the config option
alt-addresses.)

Thanks, -jeff
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I have an free email account in usa.net.  The username there is different
from the one on my ISP unix system.  I can set the "smtp" of my pine to
mail.netaddress.com, which is the mail server of usa.net, but the other
party can't reply my mail because of the difference of the usernames.

I checked the configuration settings in pine and didn't find a way to
change my username appeared on my email sending through usa.net.  Could
somebody enlighten me how I may solve this problem?

Thanks in advance.



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>>>>> "ML" == Ming Luo <[email protected]> writes:

ML> I have an free email account in usa.net.  The username there is
ML> different from the one on my ISP unix system.  I can set the
ML> "smtp" of my pine to mail.netaddress.com, which is the mail
ML> server of usa.net, but the other party can't reply my mail
ML> because of the difference of the usernames.

ML> I checked the configuration settings in pine and didn't find a
ML> way to change my username appeared on my email sending through
ML> usa.net.  Could somebody enlighten me how I may solve this
ML> problem?

Hi,

is this a FAQ by now? Must be for sure. You can set the 'Reply-To:'
address in the pine config:

s c Ctrl-w "customize" a "Reply-To: <your-address>" Return

All right, you can't change the From: Line unless you recompile pine
allowing this change ...

hth, norbert

PS to Robin: I know, there are hundred *better* ways of dealing with
it :-)

--
Norbert Koch
a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!

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Dear Sir,
       I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's directory but
don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the process then I would be
very grateful.
                                               Thanking You,
                                                       Jeffrey Yep



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>>>>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <[email protected]> writes:

JY> Dear Sir, I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's
JY> directory but don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the
JY> process then I would be very grateful.  Thanking You, Jeffrey Yep

You must be kidding ...

Ok, first answer: rtfm, Rtfm, RTFM, *RTFM*!

Now, I suppose, you've already succeeded in getting into the compose
buffer (that's eg, c from the main menu). And I surmise, you've been
able to insert a correct address, perhaps even a subject.

Go below the 'Message Text' mark, then type ctrl-r and insert the file
name directly or type ctrl-t to get a listing (via pilot, afaik).

btw, I'd advise you to (a) correspond with your local help desk and
(b) with your doctor to have your eyes checked - maybe, you should
just try and have a look at the bottom line of your pine term.



l8er, norbert

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On 3 Dec 1997, Norbert Koch wrote:

> >>>>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <[email protected]> writes:
>
>  JY> Dear Sir, I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's
>  JY> directory but don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the
>  JY> process then I would be very grateful.  Thanking You, Jeffrey Yep
>
[snip]

> Go below the 'Message Text' mark, then type ctrl-r and insert the file
> name directly or type ctrl-t to get a listing (via pilot, afaik).

If you looked into the headers of the original mail you'd note that the
individual is running pine for SVR4.  So, he is running from a shell
account.  He probably needs help uploading the file to the Unix box
*before* he gets to the proceedure you've outlined.

So, let's ask him if he know how to do that first.....

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Listen I want to send a file from my home directory e.g. c:\my
documents\rmpi.doc then what do I do???? DOn't use acronyms or
abbreviations.

                                                Jeffrey/Crash/Ash/Blur




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>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <[email protected]> writes:

JY> Listen I want to send a file from my home directory e.g. c:\my
JY> documents\rmpi.doc then what do I do???? DOn't use acronyms or
JY> abbreviations.

Listen, sweety, we're *not* the Salvation Army here exactly, and we
don't appreciate being "????"ed at, ok? If you want to learn to use
pine properly, read the documentation that comes with it first. That's
the minimal requirement.

Check this out:
<http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/wissen/robin/user.guide/node43.html#SECTION004123000000000000000>

If there's anything you don't understand, come back. Make sure to grab
a copy of the netiquette, too, because your question is a FAQ.

Robin - Windog Luser Exorcist

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Has anyone run pine under digital unix 4.0.  I am running it now on Digital
Unix 3.2, but want to make sure that it will be okay on 4 before I change
over.
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Paul Yahnig



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Hello,
I'm using pine from a DEC VT382 terminal which connect to network
using DEC 900TM terminal server. When I type Ctrl-X to send mail,
there is no function. Please help me.

ZHOU, Rong-jie
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>> "NK" == Norbert Koch <[email protected]> writes:

NK> is this a FAQ by now?

It's always been one...

NK> Must be for sure. You can set the 'Reply-To:' address in the pine
NK> config:[...]  PS to Robin: I know, there are hundred *better* ways
NK> of dealing with it :-)

Ummm... no smiley here - I cannot find the right docs now, but there
are *many* things that are better than setting a reply-to. There's
nothing wrong with changing the from-line for legitimate reasons (I do
it, too, because my login-account runs VMS->no procmail). AFAIK, Pine4
will provide an easier solution - right?

Robin

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I have just joined this list, and I clearly get the impression that this
is a very nasty and conceeded list.  Just because beginners may not know
the answer does not mean that answers need to be given with such a mean
know it all attitude.  I guess I won't be asking any Pine questions
since I am a beginner
On 3 Dec 1997, Norbert Koch wrote:

> >>>>> "JY" == Jeffrey Yep <[email protected]> writes:
>
>  JY> Dear Sir, I've been trying to send a text document from my pc's
>  JY> directory but don't know how to do it. If you could e-mail the
>  JY> process then I would be very grateful.  Thanking You, Jeffrey Yep
>
> You must be kidding ...
>
> Ok, first answer: rtfm, Rtfm, RTFM, *RTFM*!
>
> Now, I suppose, you've already succeeded in getting into the compose
> buffer (that's eg, c from the main menu). And I surmise, you've been
> able to insert a correct address, perhaps even a subject.
>
> Go below the 'Message Text' mark, then type ctrl-r and insert the file
> name directly or type ctrl-t to get a listing (via pilot, afaik).
>
> btw, I'd advise you to (a) correspond with your local help desk and
> (b) with your doctor to have your eyes checked - maybe, you should
> just try and have a look at the bottom line of your pine term.
>
>
>
> l8er, norbert
>
> --
> Norbert Koch
> a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!
>





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>> "KAG" == Kathleen A Goetsch <[email protected]> writes:

KAG> I have just joined this list, and I clearly get the impression
KAG> that this is a very nasty and conceeded list.

Easy now, Kathleen... Before you mail to a mailing list, you might
want to read the netiquette, preferably the version by Arlene
Rinaldi. You are *not* supposed to bump into a list, but rather read
the docs first, then lurk for some weeks, then ask questions. If you
need a quick answer, use the newsgroup comp.mail.pine.

KAG> Just because beginners may not know the answer does not mean that
KAG> answers need to be given with such a mean know it all attitude.

It's an "I've read this 1001 times before in the last 2 weeks"
attitude. Jeffrey's stance might be questionable, but I find his
answer perfectly acceptable, because it was right.

KAG> I guess I won't be asking any Pine questions since I am a beginner

If you can't stand the heat, don't go on the net... If you browse the
pine archive, you'll likely not find a rude answer to an acceptable,
sensible question.

And yes, you don't need to quote an entire message, either. RTFM ->
netiquette.

Cheers,
Robin

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      On the package it said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"
                                     ...  so I got myself Linux.

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Still no reply on this. Second attempt.

Thanks!
jan


On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Jan Vilhuber wrote:

> I sent in a bug report on this a little while ago, but I haven't heard
> anything about it. Not even sure if it's a pine problem, but it's sure
> looking that way...
>
> I'm running 3.96 on Solaris 2.5.1 (SunOS 5.5.1 Generic_103640-08 sun4u sparc
> SUNW,Ultra-2), with the home directory either mounted via NFS or on local
> disk (I tried both with the same result), and ever so often, saved mail
> files (fcc files) vanish.
>
> It doesn't appear to be related to an overfull disk, as this happened
> recently when the disk was at 45% (plenty of space).  Also, it doesn't seem
> to be related to file-size, as the files that have vanished ranged from
> quite small to several megabytes. I've got files that I use quite frequently,
> which are HUGE, which haven't vanished yet. Memory should also not be an
> issue, as the machines I use have several gigabytes of memory (some 2 gig,
> others 128Meg, others 3 Gig).
>
> Usually I'll notice that the file is gone, when I try to send a message to
> someone for whom I KNOW I've created a file, and I'm asked if I want to
> create the file for the fcc. Usually I've sent this person email a few hours
> previously, although I can't be sure if the file vanished 5 seconds
> previously, or five hours.
>
> Has anyone else seen this? I suppose it COULD be OS related (i.e. Solaris'
> fault), but somehow that doesn't sound right.
>
> I've turned on debugging for pine, but didn't see anything obvious in a log
> file, which was created when it asked me if I wanted to create an fcc file,
> which I know existed previously.
>
> I've lost several mail files already, and it's quite annoying, as I rely on
> saved mail quite a bit..
>
> Ideas?
>
> jan
>  --
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>
>

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>From: Kathleen A Goetsch <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:50:39 -0600 (CST)

>I have just joined this list, and I clearly get the impression that this
>is a very nasty and conceeded list.

Conceeded? Never conceed nothin', and use the spell checker (^T).


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>> "JV" == Jan Vilhuber <[email protected]> writes:

JV> Still no reply on this. Second attempt.

If you don't receive an answer, the answer is:

[ ] we don't know
[ ] it's a secret and we'd have to shoot you if we told you
[ ] all of the above

JV> Thanks!

You're welcome. Stop forwarding lenghthy messages.

Robin

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Gosh, I'm SOOO glad people on this list are so helpful.

If you prefer shorter messages, how about:

"Pine doesn't work."

You prefer those, I take it. So much more information in that...

Bite me.

jan


On 4 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> >> "JV" == Jan Vilhuber <[email protected]> writes:
>
> JV> Still no reply on this. Second attempt.
>
> If you don't receive an answer, the answer is:
>
> [ ] we don't know
> [ ] it's a secret and we'd have to shoot you if we told you
> [ ] all of the above
>
> JV> Thanks!
>
> You're welcome. Stop forwarding lenghthy messages.
>
> Robin
>
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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Jan Vilhuber wrote:

> Gosh, I'm SOOO glad people on this list are so helpful.

Sigh.....

> "Pine doesn't work."
>
> You prefer those, I take it. So much more information in that...

Of course not.  I believe the suggestion is that when you send a "second
request" there is no need to quote the entire "first request".

Now to answer your question....

> > [X] we don't know  ..... or we would have said something by now.

I run pine on an SS1000E and SS20 running Solaris 2.5.1 at the same kernel
patch you indicated.

I've never seen your problem.

Regards,
Ed

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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Jan Vilhuber wrote:

> Still no reply on this. Second attempt.

Oh, I forgot to mention one thing.  The folks on this list are quite
similar to you and me.  We all have "day jobs" and we don't answer
questions on this list for a living.  We just do it in our spare time.

Sometimes, the folks with most of the answers are not around.  Maybe they
are off doing Christmas shopping or other "real life" stuff.

So, it really isn't a good idea to post messages which can be taken to
say, "Why haven't *you* answered me yet!".  (Note: I'm not saying that was
your intent....only that it could be taken by some as that.)

Anyway, good luck with your problem.  If you don't have control over the
system....you may want to check with the sysadmin.  Maybe they have some
type of archive program which has gone crazy?

Regards,
Ed

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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Kathleen A Goetsch wrote:

> I guess I won't be asking any Pine questions since I am a beginner

If you have a question and have made a reasonable effort to solve the
problem yourself then by all means ask.

Do not be so hasty to judge the entire list based upon a few messages
which you deem inappropriate.  Also, remember some very sound advice,
"Judge not, lest ye be judged".  (Or words to that effect.)

We are all human and we all crawl out of the wrong side of the bed once in
a while.  (Some of us more often than others.....  :-) :-) )


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Dear Pine-info,

My question has nothing to do with Pine, nevertheless
I hope you will accept to read it.
Now, I am trying to get back in touch with my Israeli
friend, whose only trace in internet led me straight to you.
Using his address which was valid 2 yrs ago as query, I had
Hotbot return the following:

How to autoget news articles by mail
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email protected]
Subject: How to autoget news articles by mail
From: [email protected] ( )
Date: 30 Oct 1995 00:51:34 GMT
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I was told there's some configuration option that allows you to get all
articles posted to a certain newsgroup directly to your mail box?
how do i do that?

Thanx
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Re: How to autoget news articles by mail
From: [email protected] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)

So his address was:
From: [email protected]
or:
From: [email protected]

Do you have any idea on how I can find this person now?
Thank you for any hints on the subject.
<[email protected]>


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Hi all,

I want to prepare the code of FTP in which i set the parameters:
FOR Ascii files
       PASV
       TYPE L8
       STRU F
       MODE S
FOR Binary files
       PASV
       TYPE L8
       STRU F
       MODE S

all these parameters are set on the ctl sockets unfortunately
i am not able to get all file completely, This code get just
2 MB file from server and not more than 2 MB file from server.

Please help me.

Uzma Siddiqui



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On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Uzma Siddiqui wrote:

> I want to prepare the code of FTP in which i set the parameters:

We're sorry.  The address you have reached is the "pine" discussion
group.  It is not in any way connected with FTP protocols.  Please
check the address and send again (elsewhere) or ask your sysadmin for
assistance.


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 That was just one person at one time, Kathleen. I think you shouldn't
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merhaba!
ben halil.
bana turkce mail atabilirmisiniz?
almanca da yazabilirsiniz.
simdiden tesekkurler...
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Has anyone ever seen this error message before?  I'm confused as it only
appears when I try and post a message to a newsgroup, and not when I'm
sending a normal email to anyone.

virtually,

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Hi, can you send me whatever it is I need to convert a binhex file back into
a Normal picture file?
 I'm most grateful
    Thanks
        Nick

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Yes, I could... Do you have an Apple Power Macintosh?

On Thu, 4 Dec 1997
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> Hi, can you send me whatever it is I need to convert a binhex file back into
> a Normal picture file?
>   I'm most grateful
>      Thanks
>          Nick
>

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Hello there,

I write since SouthAmerica and would like if somebody help me with a
question. Just yesterday some joker sent me a lot of MB to my e-mail and
the pine was so slow and took a lot of time to open the INBOX....After of
this, it was down. In the third trying i had success and got deleted the
messages from this stupid joker. But i don't like "jokes" like this.

My question is : HOW COULD I AVOID TO GET BIG MESSAGES IN THE PINE?
Does there is a way to configurate the system so only get the messages
with the size what i want?

And HOW could i configurate the Pine to avoid some e-mails from some people?
Does there is a way?

I really would love to hear advices!

Thanks.


Ana Paola.


















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>> "A" == ANAPAOLA  <ACOSTA> writes:

A> My question is : HOW COULD I AVOID TO GET BIG MESSAGES IN THE PINE?
A> Does there is a way to configurate the system so only get the
A> messages with the size what i want?

Via your mail transport agent. Ask your local help desk.

A> And HOW could i configurate the Pine to avoid some e-mails from
A> some people?  Does there is a way?

A mail filtering system. Check the pine docs and your local help desk.

Cheers,
Robin


--
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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I had attachment that I can not read, because it says " This file must
be converted with BinHex 4.0". But I have not idea about the BinHex4.0.
Please help. Thank you very much.

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is there any mean (on the net) to know if a pine address is correctly?

thank you !!

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Hello,
my name is Guy Malfait, and I have a small problem.
Is it possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so
I can read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.

Friendly greetings,

Guy


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>> "GM" == GUY MALFAIT <[email protected]> writes:

GM> Is it possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so I
GM> can read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
GM> I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.

That's not a pine problem, but rather a problem of the mail transport
agent you're using. Talk to your local helpdesk to customize it for
you in a way that does not kill the messages on the server.

Cheers,
Robin

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Robin S. Socha M.A.
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>>>>> "GM" == GUY MALFAIT <[email protected]> writes:

Hi,

GM> Hello, my name is Guy Malfait, and I have a small problem.  Is it
GM> possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so I can
GM> read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
GM> I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.

I don't know whether it is possible to leave a 'copy' of new messages
in the INBOX but, afaik, you can flag the message as new before
leaving pine and keep them in your INBOX.

If you have more than one message, ie a lot :-), which you want to
leave use the aggregate command (;) to select all interesting
files. If it's not already set -> m(ain) -> s(etup) -> c(onfig)

hth, norbert.


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I recieved a BinHex 4.0 file as an e-mail attaachment.
The sender is using a Mac, I am on MS-Dos, Win95.
Is there a version of BinHex 4.0 available somewhere that would enable
me to read these files?

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BinHex 4.0 is a Macintosh standard for sending binary data (ie, Mac
programs) over different file systems by encoding the binary data
into text data, such that email for example can send a program
over to a PC or Unix or another Macintosh.

Andrew


On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, GABRIEL CHOI wrote:

> I had attachment that I can not read, because it says " This file must
> be converted with BinHex 4.0". But I have not idea about the BinHex4.0.
> Please help. Thank you very much.
>

Andrew Le           (425) 271-9410 phone
Casabyte LLC        http://www.casabyte.com
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Check to see if WinZip has a  "de-binhex" option...

Good luck,
ANdrew

On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> I recieved a BinHex 4.0 file as an e-mail attaachment.
> The sender is using a Mac, I am on MS-Dos, Win95.
> Is there a version of BinHex 4.0 available somewhere that would enable
> me to read these files?
>

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>> "GC" == GABRIEL CHOI <[email protected]> writes:

GC> I had attachment that I can not read, because it says " This file
GC> must be converted with BinHex 4.0". But I have not idea about the
GC> BinHex4.0.

Difficult question, that one, and it's not in the faq... In fact, it
hasn't been discussed for quite some time. The answer is a simple one,
though: you need a dos tool called fdisk (as in File to Disk). Then
say "fdisk C:".

Robin

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On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 [email protected] wrote:

GM> Message-ID: <[email protected]
ac.be>
GM> From: [email protected]
GM> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
GM> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:18:19 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time)
GM> Subject: small question
GM>
GM> Hello,
GM>  my name is Guy Malfait, and I have a small problem.
GM> Is it possible to leave a copy of read messages on the server, so
GM> I can read them again whem I'm at another computer, using a dial-in?
GM> I'd be grateful if you could give an answer.
GM>
GM> Friendly greetings,
GM>
GM> Guy

If you are also using PC-Pine (or another IMAP email client) on the
computer you are using with a dial-in connection, and your messages are
stored on an IMAP server, the answer is "yes."  (IMAP = Internet Message
Access Protocol.)

The IMAP folder and folder collection definition syntax for (PC-)Pine is
explained in the context-sensitive help for the "folder-collections"
option in (PC-)Pine's (3.9x) SETUP CONFIGURATION screen, and at
http://www.washington.edu/pine/user-guide/info/imap.syntax.html

When using (PC-)Pine, you can even store your postponed messages on the
IMAP server and thus resume their composition from any computer on which
you are using (PC-)Pine -- with a definition in the SETUP CONFIGURATION
screen of each copy of (PC-)Pine you are using that looks something like:

       postponed-folder = {yourimaphost.yourdomain}mail/postponed-msgs

(By default, the postponed-folder definitions in Pine and PC-Pine are not
the same; and in PC-Pine, the default location of that folder is on the
same computer on which you are running PC-Pine.)

If you need help with finding out what the name of the IMAP server on
which your mail is stored is, or how to manage your folders on it, contact
the computing support folks of the organization (such as K.U. Leuven) that
provides you with Internet email.

------------------------------------------------------------
 Stefan Kramer                   [email protected]
 The IMAP Connection WWW site:         http://www.imap.org/
 Computing & Communications        University of Washington
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Hello,

My name is Pamela Kopsas.  I am the manager for a newly reforming band called
RIZEN OSIRIS.  We are an originals band and do cover tunes as well.  Our music
styles for both include classic rock, pop, modern rock, a little funk, jazz-
rock, blues, and alternative.  We are not a punk or country band.  Our
influences range from Van Halen to Rush to Elvis and Morrisette to Heart to
Etheridge. Our originals include hard-hitting rock tunes as well as some
nicely textured ballads and lively pop songs.

We have a lead guitarist w/synth and bass player - both pros with 20+ years
experience.We are replacing our lineup with all professional musicians who
know what it takes to make a rock and roll band succeed...we need people who
are not only skilled with their instrument, but also are willing to make the
sacrifices in terms of time, hard work and lots of practice that dedication to
a career band demands.

We have no alcohol, drug, or ego problems and don't have tolerance for any.
We want people who love making music and want to make a living at it, but who
are willing to do what it takes to see the project through (ie day job, if
needed).  Candidates must understand that we are absolutely serious and plan
to release a high quality CD within 6 months to a year.

We have quality music, practice/recording studio, professional management,
contacts, and more gigs as soon as the band is tight enough to play out again.

Candidates must be willing to relocate, take management instruction/direction
from a female manager (non-negotiable) and be respectful of bandmates and band
policies.  We plan to play out locally, regionally and then go national as
opportunities allow.

If you can deal with these boundaries and are interested in auditioning or
know of  someone who might be interested, please email me or send demo tape,
photo, bio etc, to:

  191 Rock Lane
  Highlandville, MO  65669

  Call 417-443-7625

  or email: [email protected]

  You may also check out the band web site at:

http://www.music-monster-network.com/rizen/index.htm



Thanks for your time and keep the music LIVE!
Pamela Kopsas
Manager/Songwriter - Rizen Osiris - your next favorite band to listen to!

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I would like to send files to a friend at University of Birmingham, England.
However, my friend is unable to receive the files using Pegasus mail. I have
tried zipping them but this doesn't seem to work either. Can you help in
any way. Sorry to have bothered you if you can't.

Thanks

Regards
Paul Campbell
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On 6 Dec 1997, Paul Campbell wrote:

> I would like to send files to a friend at University of Birmingham, England.
> However, my friend is unable to receive the files using Pegasus mail. I have
> tried zipping them but this doesn't seem to work either. Can you help in
> any way. Sorry to have bothered you if you can't.

Hummm....you have not really supplied enough information for us to help.

However, looking at the headers from your message we see:

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We also notice that no headers indicate what mail UA you use.  As you
may know...this mailing list is about "pine".

I'm guessing that "maybe" your "InterLock" gateway does not support MIME.

You will need to supply more failure indicators.  Can you describe what
the other end is receiving?

Regards,
Ed

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>> "PC" == Paul Campbell <[email protected]> writes:

PC> I would like to send files to a friend at University of Birmingham,
PC> England.  However, my friend is unable to receive the files using
PC> Pegasus mail. I have tried zipping them but this doesn't seem to
PC> work either. Can you help in any way.

If you've followed the instructions pine's online help gives, the
problem is with Pegasus, not pine.

On second thought... Is your friend *unable* to receive them, or to read
them? If he doesn't get them at all, they're probably too big. Many MTAs
are set to a maximum filesize (1MB here e.g.). If he doesn't get them at
all, try splitting the file. I don't have a Dos box here, thank God, but
zip /? should give you the instructions. You might also try arj with the
"-v1000" option (which would create a multi-volume archive with 1MB
chunks).

When all else fails, try ftp. In fact, you should have used ftp in the
first place... The UoB should have an anon FTP server.

Cheers,
Robin

--
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
Vidi, vici, veni

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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine.  Before sending questions
to the mailing list, please consult these resources:

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available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be
accessed:

    - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
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    - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
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    - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
      also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
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Hello,
       I had a question about creating a password to enter my pine
session.. I've looked everywhere in the pine configuration and it does not
seem to appear.. when I go to setup it has Newpassword as an option but
when i  go to that option it states  sh: /bin/passwd not found also I don
not now where to compose commands for passwd do i compose them in my
pinerc file or do i put an x next to something in the pine configure file
or do i have to create a new file specifically for my password within my
home directory.  I am very confused and would wish detailed explanation on
how to do this..



                                       Thank You..
                                       Hernando Marceles


P.S. if this is not possible is it then possible to create a lock mail
file so only a certain person can read the messages within that file when
pine is opened up.. I would really appreciate the help.. thanx again


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i want winbiff
my computer cannot find the program...
i think something wrong...
but i don'know what.
so if you send me the winbiff program..
thank you very much..


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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, soyoung,choi wrote:

> i want winbiff
> my computer cannot find the program...
> i think something wrong...
> but i don'know what.
> so if you send me the winbiff program..
> thank you very much..
>

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>> "HM" == Hernando Marceles <[email protected]> writes:

[setting password]

Pine uses your system password. At the command line prompt, try saying
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HM> P.S. if this is not possible is it then possible to create a lock
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HM> that file when pine is opened up.. I would really appreciate the
HM> help.. thanx again

You can set umask. Check the pine archives, because this subject has
been addressed before, and in quite a heated manner.

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HI, pine experts,

I'm running pine on SUN-UNIX. However, this week I have some problem to
use it. When I open the PINE, it shows the information "Opening
Inbox..." then just stop there. I cann't even quit the pine. Can you
please give me a help to solve this.


Best Regards

WeiZOu





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Good day,

       Since upgrading from pine 3.91 to pine 3.95 a couple of months ago
I've been getting a core dump by a number of users occasionally.  I
haven't heard any complaint from the users but I've been having to clear
out core files ever since.  Today I ran 'gdb' on one of the core files and
got the following output.
___
Core was generated by `pine3.95'.
Program terminated with signal 8, Arithmetic exception.
#0  0x5598a in ?? ()
(gdb)
___

Any suggestions?

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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Zou Wei wrote:

> HI, pine experts,
>
> I'm running pine on SUN-UNIX. However, this week I have some problem to
> use it. When I open the PINE, it shows the information "Opening
> Inbox..." then just stop there. I cann't even quit the pine. Can you
> please give me a help to solve this.

I've had problems with that, too.  I just call tech support and bug them.
Problem is, they've never figured it out.  Sometimes I'll have it several
times off and on for days, and then nothing for weeks.  Go figure.  I've
even tried using EWAN to log in, let Pine lock up, then log in a second
time and go snooping around for .lock files, but have never found any.

If you do find out anything, send me the results.

Greg
[email protected]


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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Chris Nolan wrote:

> Good day,
>
>       Since upgrading from pine 3.91 to pine 3.95 a couple of months ago
> I've been getting a core dump by a number of users occasionally.  I

That's alright.  Pine 3.91 is better.  Doesn't have annoying behaviour of
cursor up/down past Index screens, which 3.95 has.  n p are no fun.

3.91 is a tad slower, is all.

> haven't heard any complaint from the users but I've been having to clear
> out core files ever since.  Today I ran 'gdb' on one of the core files and
> got the following output.
> ___
> Core was generated by `pine3.95'.
> Program terminated with signal 8, Arithmetic exception.
> #0  0x5598a in ?? ()
> (gdb)
> ___
>
> Any suggestions?
>
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And what about pine 3.96 ?

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Vladimir Dubnikov (Unix System Group)
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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Andrew Vardy wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Chris Nolan wrote:
>
> > Good day,
> >
> >     Since upgrading from pine 3.91 to pine 3.95 a couple of months ago
> > I've been getting a core dump by a number of users occasionally.  I
>
> That's alright.  Pine 3.91 is better.  Doesn't have annoying behaviour of
> cursor up/down past Index screens, which 3.95 has.  n p are no fun.
>
> 3.91 is a tad slower, is all.
>
> > haven't heard any complaint from the users but I've been having to clear
> > out core files ever since.  Today I ran 'gdb' on one of the core files and
> > got the following output.
> > ___
> > Core was generated by `pine3.95'.
> > Program terminated with signal 8, Arithmetic exception.
> > #0  0x5598a in ?? ()
> > (gdb)
> > ___
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > ___________________________                     ____________________
> > Chris Nolan      SCO A.C.E.                        [email protected]
> > Katydid Information SystemS                     Tel: +1 613 257-1061
> > Keeping it Simple for You                       Fax: +1 613 257-8211
> >
>
>
>

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When i open the e mail file I get the message saying Error saving
configeration in the user/users /pinerc let me know the reasons for the
same and whether it will efect my receiving mail





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>> "Cipl" == Color inks pvt ltd <[email protected]> writes:

Cipl> When i open the e mail file I get the message saying Error
Cipl> saving configeration in the user/users /pinerc let me know the
Cipl> reasons for the same

Badly configured site. Talk to your sysadmin.

Cipl> and whether it will efect my receiving mail

No. But you cannot save changes you make to your configuration.

Robin

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- everything else having been assigned functions by Gnu EMACS."
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Hi !
I`m a german student and want to change from the US-ASCII-standard in the
ISO-8859-1 german standard. Do you have any hints?
Many thanks, C.M.Janetzko





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Hi again,
>Hi !
>I`m a german student and want to change from the US-ASCII-standard in the
>ISO-8859-1 german standard. Do you have any hints?

This procedure should do:

Choice          type

main menu       m
setup           s
config          c
where is        w
search          character-set<enter>
                       (strange enough, this field really menas
                       that you can choose the character-set her.
                       you might equally be surprised at the
                       context-sensitive help-text by typing '?')

change value    c               (if empty: addvalue a)
type            ISO-8859-1<enter>
exit setup      e
commit changes  y

'adele' and regards,


hal *<:-)
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P.S. Have you ever tried the Pine-homepages and FAQ ?
Compared to other replies in this list
you may call this a special Santa's gift.


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       I am a student at University of Maryland and we have the pine
system.  However I check my mail through Netscape.  When I try to check my
mail there I get the following message: "Pop server responded, Unable
to process From lines (envelopes), cjange recgonition codes."  Then I
tried to check my mail in pine and all the messages are getting sent
into one read only inbo - there is no separation of messages.  When I
tried to delete the whole file, it told me I couldn't because it was
read only.  HELP!  What can I do?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!

-GAIL
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>> "GAK" == Gail A Kornberger <[email protected]> writes:

GAK> I am a student at University of Maryland and we have the pine
GAK> system.  However I check my mail through Netscape.  When I try to
GAK> check my mail there I get the following message: "Pop server
GAK> responded, Unable to process From lines (envelopes), cjange
GAK> recgonition codes."  Then I tried to check my mail in pine and
GAK> all the messages are getting sent into one read only inbo - there
GAK> is no separation of messages.

Bad. Something messed up your inbox file.

GAK> When I tried to delete the whole file, it told me I couldn't
GAK> because it was read only.

Have your admin solve this problem.

GAK> HELP!  What can I do?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
GAK> Thanks!!


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Microsoft isn't the answer.
Microsoft is the question and the answer is no.

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By accident, I encrypted my sent-mail and received folders using "vi -x".
Is there any way I can still use these folders with pine?

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This past summer we changed our server and updated to SCO UNIX 5.1.1.
Before the change, our bounce command worked fine.  The
enable-bounce-command is turned on for the system.  Now when we bounce a
message, it comes back to whomever bounced it, and does not go to the
intended recipient.  When it comes back to the bounce sender it appears
with:
       Resent-Date: (filled in correctly)
       Resent-From: bounce originator's e-mail address
       Resent-To: intended bounce recipient's e-mail address

Bounced message appears here.
Can you give me any helpful hints?

Sincerely,

Lorie L. Land
Kappa Alpha Theta Fraternity
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>> "VSA" == Vaddiraju S Anand <[email protected]> writes:

VSA> By accident, I encrypted my sent-mail and received folders using
VSA> "vi -x".  Is there any way I can still use these folders with
VSA> pine?

Are we talking about the same "vi" here?

-x (Amiga only) Vim is not restarted to open a new window.  This
  option should be used when Vim is executed by a program that will
  wait for the edit session to finish (e.g. mail).  The ":sh" and
  ":!" commands will not work.

What's vi -x supposed to do?

Robin

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On 9 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> >> "VSA" == Vaddiraju S Anand <[email protected]> writes:
>
> VSA> By accident, I encrypted my sent-mail and received folders using
> VSA> "vi -x".  Is there any way I can still use these folders with
> VSA> pine?
>
> Are we talking about the same "vi" here?
>
> -x (Amiga only) Vim is not restarted to open a new window.  This
>    option should be used when Vim is executed by a program that will
>    wait for the edit session to finish (e.g. mail).  The ":sh" and
>    ":!" commands will not work.
>
> What's vi -x supposed to do?

"vi -x" is used to encrypt a file.  It asks for a 'key' when you try to
open a file in that mode.  Once the 'key' is set, that particular file has
to be opened with the key, whenever it is used.  And I did that by
accident, with the "sent-mail"  and "received" folders.  Now when I try to
open "sent-mail" or "received" while using pine, it says "Cannot display
this part........"  I want to know if there is some way of opening
encrypted folders/files while using pine.

Thanks.

Anand



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Also could just be simply that you have exceeded your disk quota on your
system, although you would possibly get an error saying this.

Ed


On 9 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> >> "Cipl" == Color inks pvt ltd <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Cipl> When i open the e mail file I get the message saying Error
> Cipl> saving configeration in the user/users /pinerc let me know the
> Cipl> reasons for the same
>
> Badly configured site. Talk to your sysadmin.
>
> Cipl> and whether it will efect my receiving mail
>
> No. But you cannot save changes you make to your configuration.
>
> Robin
>
> --
> Robin S. Socha M.A.
> "On a normal ascii line, the only safe condition to detect is a 'BREAK'
> - everything else having been assigned functions by Gnu EMACS."
> (By Tarl Neustaedter)
>


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On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Lorie Land wrote:

> This past summer we changed our server and updated to SCO UNIX 5.1.1.
> Before the change, our bounce command worked fine.  The
> enable-bounce-command is turned on for the system.  Now when we bounce a
> message, it comes back to whomever bounced it, and does not go to the
> intended recipient.  When it comes back to the bounce sender it appears
> with:
>       Resent-Date: (filled in correctly)
>       Resent-From: bounce originator's e-mail address
>       Resent-To: intended bounce recipient's e-mail address
>
> Bounced message appears here.
> Can you give me any helpful hints?

It depends on what mail transport agent (MTA) was configured when the new
OpenServer 5 system was installed (sure the release wasn't 5.0.0, 5.0.2 or
5.0.4?)  Although you can select "sendmail" during the installation setup,
the MTA being installed by default continues to be "MMDF".

In Pine's default configuration, it tries to send the mail by executing a
binary called /usr/lib/sendmail. Even though MMDF installs such a program,
that merely is a front-end to MMDF. This front-end works reasonably well
but it seems to have problems with the less used options like Bcc:, Lcc:
and, you guessed it, the bounce option.

Because the SMTP server implementation _is_ capable of correctly handling
these options, the solution can be as simple as setting the "smtp-server"
field in Pine's configuration to "localhost" (providing that this field is
currently blank).

Give it a try and see if it works!

> Lorie L. Land

Regards,

- Richard Gering.

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The following is supposedly a quote from a Pat Conroy novel.  Can anyone
tell me which one?  "Each divorce is the death of a small civilization.
Two people declare war on each other, and their screams and tears infect
their entire world with the bacilli of their pain:...."


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SOS

I got an email from a UK University. I tried to read the attachment
which type is application/ms-tnef, but I failed to. It is my application
form, which is very important and imminent to me.

Please teach me the way.

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>From: jindae lim <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:47:49 +0900

>I got an email from a UK University. I tried to read the attachment
>which type is application/ms-tnef, but I failed to. It is my application
>form, which is very important and imminent to me.

>Please teach me the way.

It means that someone produced a document in Rich Text Format using a Microsoft
product. RTF is a proprietary standard.

You must contact them again and ask that they send it to you as plain text.

Others on this list might be tempted to comment on the kind of education you
could get from a university that sends documents via the Internet using
formatting that a receipient is unable to use, but I won't.


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Necesito operar el Pine en mi PC (win95), pero sin conexion. ya que mi
Universidad me provee solo una conexion telefonica de terminal.
La idea es escribir el correo off-line, luego pedir "Postpone" y
finalmente transferir el "ppnd-msgs", sobreescribiendo el folder del
mismo nombre correspondiente a mi cuenta en la Universidad.
El problema es que no pude ni intentarlo, porque al pedir "Compose"(en el
Pine 3.96 que instale en mi PC) me dice que no puede hacerlo porque no
tiene folder de mail "Inbox" para abrir. Y no se como crearlo.
Deseo evitar tener que escribir conectado (como en este momento).
Desde ya muchisimas gracias por la ayuda que me puedan brindar.

Nota: Si es necesario escribanme en su idioma. Creo que lo dificil es
expresarse en una lengua ajena, no tanto entenderla.
Nuevamente gracias.

Fernando Segovia

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Red Hat 5.0 is the first production Linux distribution to use
the glibc library with true multithreading.

The version of Pine 3.96 distributed with Red Hat 5.0 has the
problem that when you are in Pico and ispell and exit ispell
it crashes and you have to kill Pine leaving ispell as a zombie
process.

An analogous problem happens when using vi as alternate editor.
Upon exit from vi, Pine crashes leaving vi as a zombie.

The Red Hat distribution of Pine include patches which enable
Pine to compile under glibc. I presume these patches were developed
by Red Hat. I have brought the problem to Red Hat's attention,
but they have not resolved it to date.

Can any of the Pine developers shed light on this problem?

Pine with vi is my main mailreader and I use it exclusively
on Linux.

Dwight Johnson




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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Dwight Johnson wrote:

> Red Hat 5.0 is the first production Linux distribution to use
> the glibc library with true multithreading.
>
> The version of Pine 3.96 distributed with Red Hat 5.0 has the
> problem that when you are in Pico and ispell and exit ispell
> it crashes and you have to kill Pine leaving ispell as a zombie
> process.
>
> An analogous problem happens when using vi as alternate editor.
> Upon exit from vi, Pine crashes leaving vi as a zombie.

Sam Trenholme has just posted a fix for this at:

http://samiam.org/BlackDragon

Dwight


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>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

HL> unsubscribe

No, I won't }:->

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Subject: Outlook -> (back to) Pine, possible?
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As I can name without even taking a breathing pause at least 10 guys that
had the same bad luck at least once, I think it's worth asking.

TIA for any answer.

I have a _normal_ Unix mail account I use quite happily.

Mostly through a PC (with Windows, of course...) and through a Term
App+Unix Pine.

I need the mail staying on the server, as I occasionally have to see it
from other locations, wherefrom I cannot acces my 'standard' PC.

Trying to see the whatabouts with Outlook Express, at setup time I just
forgot for a second that for such purposes I usually use another (test)
account.

The moment I finished the setup, I knew the catastrophy is perfect: all my
mail from the server came down to my PC - and I see no way to put it
back... Some of the messages can of course be deleted without regrets; but
some of them should find their way in the folders they belong into, on the
Unix server.

Forwarding each message to the standard address to have it back is not a
solution: I'd loose the original "From: " part of the message in what
pine shows when displaying all messages, so it would become even more
painful to decide on each message after that.

Does anyone know a solution to this? Just putting back into Pine's folder
what Outlook has stolen from it...?

Iosif Fettich
[email protected]
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Iosif Fettich wrote:

> The moment I finished the setup, I knew the catastrophy is perfect: all my
> mail from the server came down to my PC - and I see no way to put it
> back... Some of the messages can of course be deleted without regrets; but
> some of them should find their way in the folders they belong into, on the
> Unix server.
>
> Forwarding each message to the standard address to have it back is not a
> solution: I'd loose the original "From: " part of the message in what
> pine shows when displaying all messages, so it would become even more
> painful to decide on each message after that.
>
> Does anyone know a solution to this? Just putting back into Pine's folder
> what Outlook has stolen from it...?

You are in trouble since Outlook does not have a "bounce" feature.  It
also does not have the ability to "export" the mailbox in plaintext nor
does it store it in the "standard" way as you would find it on a Unix
platform.

So, you *may* be luck to have a system admin doing "backups" nightly.
You could ask them to restore.

Ed

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Environment: SunOS Release 5.5 Version Generic (Solaris 2.4)
C compiler:  gcc version 2.7.2

At the tail end of the build (started with a "./build
CC=/usr/local/bin/gcc sol" ; I also tried substituting gso for sol, but
with no better results).  The error messages I received at the end of
the compile said:
-=-=-=
signals.c: In function `posix_signal':
signals.c:1066: storage size of `new_action' isn't known
signals.c:1066: storage size of `old_action' isn't known
signals.c: In function `posix_sigunblock':
signals.c:1083: `sigset_t' undeclared (first use this function)
signals.c:1083: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
signals.c:1083: for each function it appears in.)
signals.c:1083: parse error before `sig_mask'
signals.c:1085: `sig_mask' undeclared (first use this function)
gmake: *** [signals.o] Error 1

Links to executables are in bin directory:
/build: size: not found
Done
#
-=-=-=
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should try and change/do
next?  Only pico and pilot were successfully compiled during this run.

virtually,

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i would you to send me some information about pine.


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>> "sh" == sandy howe <[email protected]> writes:

sh> i would you to send me some information about pine.

man pine | grep www

   <http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine.html>

   <www.dejanews.com>

Robin

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Hi,

I'm using pine 3.95 an DG/UX.
Whenever I receive an image.gif attatchment,
It shows under the catch-all "application/octet-stream"

What do I need to do to get .gif attachments to
show up as "image/gif" ?

Note: .jpg attachments work fine...

Please resopnd directly, as I am not on the list.
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How do I print with pine??  Ive configured it and use ansi, yet it
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Well I would recommend rechecking that it attached to ansi and then ask
your tech support people.  It might be a number of things. (Decides not to
rant about generalized problems)

Brian Nisonger
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Daniel Walker wrote:

> How do I print with pine??  Ive configured it and use ansi, yet it
> doesnt print.  What do I need to do to print? Thank you very much!!
>


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>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <[email protected]> writes:
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   HL> unsubscribe
   RS> No, I won't }:->

Please? =)

Matt

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>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <[email protected]> writes:
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HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)[1]

Any other opinions?

Robin

Footnotes:
[1]  bbdb still doesn't elide properly. You should be hacking instead
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HL> unsubscribe
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MS> Please? =)[1]

Robin> Any other opinions?

Well yes, leave'm in the dark and use the spare time to add some lisp
code to, eg bbdb :-)

Robin> Footnotes: [1] bbdb still doesn't elide properly. You should
Robin> be hacking instead of mailing.

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Not bad... anyone got the address right - I can't figure it out...

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>> Regarding Re: complaint; Norbert Koch <[email protected]> adds:
>>>>>> "Robin" == Robin S Socha <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)
Robin> Any other opinions?
nobbi> Well yes, leave'm in the dark and use the spare time to add
nobbi> some lisp code to, eg bbdb :-)

He's too far away. Matt, come over here!

Robin

P.S. X-attribution RulEZ

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> You are in trouble since Outlook does not have a "bounce" feature.  It
> also does not have the ability to "export" the mailbox in plaintext nor
> does it store it in the "standard" way as you would find it on a Unix
> platform.
Outlook (from Office 97)does have a feature to export the file to a
comma-separated file.
Assuming all the appropriate fields were included in a logical format, you
could conceivably write a program to rebuild a mail spool from that export
file.  I have been unable to confirm this, as the export option on my
Outlook is broken.  If you manage to get the spool file exported, but
can't tell if it is in a viable format, or can't write the program to
convert, or whatever, you can mail it to me (if you want) and I will see
what I can do :)

> So, you *may* be luck to have a system admin doing "backups" nightly.
> You could ask them to restore.
Ya, there's always that option :)

Pat


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please unsubscribe

-----Original Message-----
From:   Robin S. Socha [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent:   Thursday, December 11, 1997 2:47 AM
To:     Pine Discussion Forum
Subject:        Re: complaint

>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:

HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)[1]

Any other opinions?

Robin

Footnotes:
[1]  bbdb still doesn't elide properly. You should be hacking instead
    of mailing.

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Political Science Dept., Bonn University
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>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>> "RS" == Robin S Socha <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:
>> "HL" == Heather Linsk <Anthony> writes:
HL> unsubscribe
RS> No, I won't }:->
MS> Please? =)[1]
HL> Any other opinions?
HL> please unsubscribe

Ok. It's been nice here with you...

Robin

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> > You are in trouble since Outlook does not have a "bounce" feature.  It
> > also does not have the ability to "export" the mailbox in plaintext nor
> > does it store it in the "standard" way as you would find it on a Unix
> > platform.
> Outlook (from Office 97)does have a feature to export the file to a
> comma-separated file.
> Assuming all the appropriate fields were included in a logical format, you
> could conceivably write a program to rebuild a mail spool from that export
> file.  I have been unable to confirm this, as the export option on my
> Outlook is broken.  If you manage to get the spool file exported, but
> can't tell if it is in a viable format, or can't write the program to
> convert, or whatever, you can mail it to me (if you want) and I will see
> what I can do :)

Oh, be careful....  You are offering progarmming services for free.... ;-)

Sounds like a lot of trouble....of course I'm not the one with the problem
so it is easy for me to say.  :-)

> > So, you *may* be luck to have a system admin doing "backups" nightly.
> > You could ask them to restore.
> Ya, there's always that option :)

Then there is S.O.L. or start using Outlook.  (Humm, isn't that the same
thing?)  I'll not dwell on the subject but my opinion of that UA is that it
should be renamed...  "LookOut!"  or "OutHouse".  :-) :-)

Regards,
Ed

BTW, the opinions expressed here are certainly my own without benifit of a cup
of coffee.



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I'm REALLY new at this so please excuse if it's simple and
I should already know, etc... BUT everybody's yelling at me
and I don't know what to do !!

After a reboot and some system configuration changes
(And an fsck on /var)  EVERYBODY is getting "READONLY"
on their INBOXES... I'm checking the permissions in
/var/mail but I don't know what else to do

Does anybody have a clue.

Thanks so much.....
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>> "LS" == Lynne Seamans <[email protected]> writes:

Ok, I tried to unsubscribe, but it wouldn't work...

LS> I'm REALLY new at this so please excuse if it's simple and I
LS> should already know, etc... BUT everybody's yelling at me and I
LS> don't know what to do !!

Hit them over the head with a MS-handbook.

LS> After a reboot and some system configuration changes (And an fsck
LS> on /var) EVERYBODY is getting "READONLY" on their INBOXES... I'm
LS> checking the permissions in /var/mail but I don't know what else
LS> to do

say

       strace -o dumpfile pine

then do:

       man find
       man chmod
       man xargs
       man sh

or are you having stale lockfiles by the dozen? XEmacs makes a
beatiful man-browser: M-x manual-entry. You might also try KDE's
KDE-help for this. KDE kicks butt big time.

Robin

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On 10 Dec 1997, Matt Simmons wrote:

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Isn't this a No Begging Zone?

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Accessing a mailbox on MS Exchange Server 5.5 works without a problem,
however, folders (other than INBOX) do not appear in the folder list.
Folders can be created in Pines' folder list, but dissapear when
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and manual enter the folder, and all messages appear, etc.  The main
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I am having a problem accessing users folders from pine.  I can create
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in pine config i have the proper {host:143}[] setting for
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I have lost all my mail in the INBOX.  Could you please fix it?
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Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....


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>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <[email protected]> writes:

MH> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on
MH> the telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

No, it's octo. As in octopus.

Ummm... is this really the pine list? I've got more requests for
mailbombs, name changes and squid than anything else.

Robin - puzzled

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>>>>> "RSS" == Robin S Socha <[email protected]> writes:

>>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <[email protected]> writes:
MH> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on
MH> the telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

RSS> No, it's octo. As in octopus.

RSS> Ummm... is this really the pine list? I've got more requests for
RSS> mailbombs, name changes and squid than anything else.

Oh Robin,

you misunderstand the purpose of this list - it's an *info* list in
the first place ;-) After we've waded through all these, quite
interesting and thought provoking topics, we'll might be enlighted by
a reosnable (technical) pine question ... "how do I change the default
From: header line?" }8-)

RSS> Robin - puzzled

just my 2p, norbert

Btw, where's your X-Attribution entry for f*'s sake? I don't want to
set it up by hand :-)

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>> "NK" == Norbert Koch <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>> "RSS" == Robin S Socha <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <[email protected]> writes:

RSS> Ummm... is this really the pine list? I've got more requests for
RSS> mailbombs, name changes and squid than anything else.
NK> you misunderstand the purpose of this list - it's an *info* qlist
NK> in the first place ;-) After we've waded through all these, quite
NK> interesting and thought provoking topics, we'll might be enlighted
NK> by a reasonable (technical) pine question ... "how do I change the
NK> default From: header line?" }8-)

Yo Norbert!

Lo and behold, I just solved the magic from-line mystery. Too bad Ray
Cu**ings isn't on this list anymore. The answer is qmail as a sendmail
replacement.

NK> Btw, where's your X-Attribution entry for f*'s sake? I don't want
NK> to set it up by hand :-)

It's a super-cite thing. You can tell it to disobey the X-attribution.
Mine is right here, though:

(setq  message-news-headers ;;* or message-mail-headers...
      "X-URL: http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/
      X-PGP-Fingerprint: F1 9F 15 68 23 52 BC 9A  E8 B6 9C C2 BC 6C 67 6C
      X-Attribution: Robin
")

Neato-clean solution courtesy of Hrvoje Niksic. Check my .emacs right
here -> <http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/xemacs.html> Too bad
pine doesn't have clickable urls. Heheheee...

Have a nice weekend all,
Robin

--
Robin S. Socha M.A.
>Linux is not user-friendly.
It _is_ user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.

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--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 8:48 am -0500 "Michael Holzberg"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
> telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

Sigh.  I wish people would stop confusing these two quite distinct
characters.

I am pretty certain the difficulty originates (probably!) with the =
Americans
when the invented the basic ASCII character set (character codes 0..127).
Whilst they carefully included their own dollar sign no provision was made
for currency symbols of other countries.

Consequently most printer manufacturers built different character sets =
into
their printers that would usurp one or more of the basic character set and
replace them with country-specific alternatives.  This was originally =
under
the control of DIP switches, and later could be switched under software.

In particular the character which looks something like this:

       |  |
     --+--+--
       |  |            <-- The "number sign", usually called "hash" here
     --+--+--              in England or, for those of a musical turn,
"sharp".
       |  |

usually could be switched to instead be printed as something which looks
(vaguely) like this (bigger only because it is more difficult to draw with
ASCII graphics:

       ,---.
      |    /
    --+----
      |
    --+--              <-- The "pound sign", representing the currency =
used
    --+--                  here in England (Scotland, Wales, etc)
      |
  ,---+.
 |    | \
  \__/   \___

It is unfortunate that the result seems to be that the "hash" symbol seems
to have become permanently engrained into foreign minds that it "is" the
"pound sign".  It really isn't: it was just what we had to use before the
_true_ pound sign became available.

Even now the problem remains because whilst my Macintosh keyboard provides
both hash (#) and pound sign (=A3) characters whether they actually =
_appear_
different depends very much on whether my message has got through to your
system with 8-bit ASCII characters intact (the second, real, pound sign in
the second line of this paragraph will probably have an ASCII code greater
than 127).  Even if it _has_ got through you may not see it (at all, or as
the "curly-L" pound sign as this depends on your terminal's chosen =
character
set and mapping!

Sigh.

--
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>From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:26:13 +0000

>--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 8:48 am -0500 "Michael Holzberg"
><[email protected]> wrote:

>>Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
>>telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

So your DTMF dial pad lacks one of

>        |  |
>      --+--+--
>        |  |
>      --+--+--
>        |  |

using this instead?

>        ,---.
>       |    /
>     --+----
>       |
>     --+--
>     --+--
>       |
>   ,---+.
>  |    | \
>   \__/   \___
>
>It is unfortunate that the result seems to be that the "hash" symbol seems
>to have become permanently engrained into foreign minds that it "is" the
>"pound sign".  It really isn't: it was just what we had to use before the
>_true_ pound sign became available.


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On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:

MB> It is unfortunate that the result seems to be that the "hash" symbol seems
MB> to have become permanently engrained into foreign minds that it "is" the
MB> "pound sign".  It really isn't: it was just what we had to use before the
MB> _true_ pound sign became available.

Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would
add a little more confusion to the mix.  In the US, the "hash" symbol
is also used to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight.  Thus we
really do use the right word, but with a different definition!



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About 50,000 new people get online every month!

*******TIPS FOR SUCCESS*******

*  TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS!  Be prompt, professional, and follow
    the directions accurately.

*  Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when
   the orders start coming in because:

   When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested
   product/report to comply with the U.S.  Postal & Lottery Laws, Title
   18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18,  Section 3005 in the U.S.  Code,
   also Code of Federal Regs.  Vol..  16, Sections 255 and 436, which state
   that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received."

*  ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.

*  Be patient and persistent with this program.  If you follow the
   instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL!

*  ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED!

*******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE*******

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:

If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue
advertising until you do.  Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at
least 100 orders for REPORT #2.  If you don't, continue advertising until you
do.  Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX,
because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to
roll in!

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:

Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a
DIFFERENT report.  You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which
report people are ordering from you.  If you want to generate more income,
send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again!  There is no
limit to the income you will generate from this business!

NOTE:  If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name,
how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small
Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help and answers to
questions.  Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone
and free seminars about business taxes.

*******T  E  S  T  I  M  O  N  I  A  L  S*******

    This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY!  Especially the
rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work
and you'll lose a lot of potential income.  I'm living proof that it works.
It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little
cost to you.  If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and
you'll be on your way to financial security.
         Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS

    My name is Frank.  My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD.  I am a
cost accountant with a major U.S.  Corporation and I make pretty good money.
When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail." I
made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and
percentages involved.  I "knew" it wouldn't work.  Doris totally ignored my
supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet.  I made merciless fun of
her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't
work...  Well, the laugh was on me!  Within two weeks she had received over 50
responses.  Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills!  I was
shocked!  I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work.  I
AM a believer now.  I have joined Doris in her "hobby."   I did have seven
more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for
me.  We owe it all to MLM.
          Frank T., Bel-Air, MD

   I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you.  Any
doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in.  I even checked
with the U.S.  Post Office to verify that the plan was legal.  It definitely
is!  IT WORKS!!!
          Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC

   The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is
honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of
money in a short time.  I was approached several times before I checked this
out.  I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal
effort and money required.  To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the
first 14 weeks, with money still coming in.
          Sincerely yours, Phillip A.  Brown, Esq.

   Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind
to participate in this plan.  But conservative that I am, I decided that the
initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't
get enough orders to at least get my money back.  Boy, was I surprised when I
found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders!  For awhile, it got
so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window.  I'll make
more money this year than any 10 years of my life before.  The nice thing
about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S.  The people live.
There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return.
        Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI

   I had received this program before.  I deleted it, but later I wondered if
I shouldn't have given it a try.  Of course, I had no idea who to contact to
get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program.  11
months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than
$41,000 on the first try!!
          Wilburn, Muncie, IN

    This is my third time to participate in this plan.  We have quit our
jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our
money.  The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do
it.  For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden
opportunity.  Good luck and happy spending!
          Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA

                            ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET
                                      STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO
                                           FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!



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PICO - WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.

TO GET TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN
YOUR DOCUMENT IS LONG...

CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS

PLS ADVISE
THANKS




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>From: [email protected]
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:06:51 +1000 (EET)

>PICO - WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.

>TO GET TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN
>YOUR DOCUMENT IS LONG...

>CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS

>PLS ADVISE

PLEASE TAKE YOUR FINGER OFF THE SHIFT KEY.

Ah, that's better.

The top-of-document command is ^w,^y. The end-of-document command is ^w,^v.


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>>>>> "MH" == Michael Holzberg <[email protected]> writes:

   MH> Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol
   MH> on the telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....

You were thinking perhaps of octothorpe?

Matt

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>> "a" == aeh0001  <[email protected]> writes:

a> PICO

NO, MY NAME IS ROBIN.

a> WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.  TO GET
a> TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN YOUR
a> DOCUMENT IS LONG...  CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH
a> JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS

YES, YOU CAN. FIX YOU FSCKED UP KEYBOARD AND SAY "man pico".

[20 s later]

THEN START CURSING BECAUSE PICO IS NOT DOCUMENTED. SAY C-w C-v OR C-w
C-y TO GO TO THE TOP OR BOTTOM OF DOCUMENT.

Robin - now deaf

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>> "RMH" == Rebecca M Hart <[email protected]> writes:

RMH> I have never used an email forwarding client but would like to.
RMH> Can you help me get started?

ALIASES(5)            UNIX Programmer's Manual                 ALIASES(5)

NAME
    aliases - aliases file for sendmail

SYNOPSIS
    aliases

DESCRIPTION

    This file describes user ID aliases used by /usr/sbin/sendmail. The
    file resides in /etc and is formatted as a series of lines of the
    form

          name: name_1, name2, name_3, . . .

    The name is the name to alias, and the name_n are the aliases for
    that name.  Lines beginning with white space are continuation
    lines.  Lines beginning with `#' are comments.

    Aliasing occurs only on local names.  Loops can not occur, since
    no mes- sage will be sent to any person more than once.

    After aliasing has been done, local and valid recipients who
    have a ``.forward'' file in their home directory have messages
    forwarded to the list of users defined in that file.

    This is only the raw data file; the actual aliasing information is
    placed into a binary format in the file /etc/aliases.db using the
    program newaliases(1).  A newaliases command should be executed each
    time the aliases file is changed for the change to take effect.

SEE ALSO
    newaliases(1),  dbopen(3),  dbm(3),  sendmail(8)

    SENDMAIL Installation and Operation Guide.

    SENDMAIL An Internetwork Mail Router.

BUGS
    If you have compiled sendmail with DBM support instead of NEWDB,
    you may have encountered problems in dbm(3) restricting a single
    alias to about 1000 bytes of information.  You can get longer
    aliases by ``chaining''; that is, make the last name in the alias
    be a dummy name which is a con- tinuation alias.

HISTORY
    The aliases file format appeared in 4.0BSD.
4th Berkeley Distribution      December 11, 1993                             1


Now - start!

Robin

--
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
One question: How come the .44 magnum is the worlds only usable point
and click interface ?                                        Alan Cox

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On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> PICO - WHENVER WE READ A FILE IN, IT GOES TO THE END FILE FIRST.
>
> TO GET TO THE TOP, WE HAVE TO PAGE UP WHICH IS CUMBERSOME...WHEN
> YOUR DOCUMENT IS LONG...
>
> CAN GET TO THE TOP OF FILE (DOCUMENT) WITH JUST 1 OR 2 COMMANDS
>

Yes.

And you can also read help when you type ^G.

That can answer all these questions.

Also, suppose Pico did not provide a way to go to the beginning.  You
could still use a term macro to help.  Entering one like:  ^Y^Y^Y^Y^Y^Y

[Forget 'man pico'.  That won't answer any questions.]

> PLS ADVISE
> THANKS
>
>
>



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How can I check my email from a different location?
[email protected]

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      Executive President
      Allegro global marketing Inc.











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can you tell me how to download this application?
           Thank!

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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine.  Before sending questions
to the mailing list, please consult these resources:

The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
help.  Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes,
Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are
available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be
accessed:

    - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
      http://www.washington.edu/pine/

    - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
      subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
      documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

    - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
      also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
      (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
      folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
           *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]


The messages from this mailing list are archived.  These archives can be
accessed:

    - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
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      (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information
       on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

    - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
      subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

    - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
      MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and
      choose Add Value) as:
           *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine
newsgroup.

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
 or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine.  Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you.  (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Dec 14 03:00:06 PST 1997

-----------------------------------
 Pine development and support team
 University of Washington
 Computing & Communications
-----------------------------------



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>> "DCM" == Donald Chance Mark <[email protected]> writes:

DCM> How can I check my email from a different location?

With a modem and and a popclient, unless you have IMAP.

Robin

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>> "GD" == Geronimo D'Amico <[email protected]> writes:

GD> can you tell me how to download this application?  Thank!

Hold the left mouse button pressed while clicking on the url. But you
probably mean "save", not "download", right? Follow the instructions
that pine gives you: View, then Save. All this is explained in detail
in the pine docs.

Robin

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Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
The spaceship shuddered.  Captain Wilson saw his navigator cringing
from a suddenly blue screen.  Damn it.  If they survived this, a
certain Redmond, USA, earth would find itself in hot plasma...

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Hi,

I would like to know how I can have a talk session with someone either on
the same server or another one as myself.

For example
My email : [email protected]
My sis   : [email protected]
My friend: [email protected]

1) How do I initiate a talk session with my sis?
  Is there any way in which I can know whether she is logged on or not?
  How do I know whether (if she has issued the command) someone wants to
  talk to me?

2) How do I initiate a talk session with my friend?
  Is there any way in which I can know whether he is logged on or not?
  How do I know whether (if he has issued the command) someone wants to
  talk to me?

Thanks a lot

Rahul Handa
B-28 West Nizamuddin
New Delhi - 110 013

Phone : 91-11-4601918
Telefax : 91-11-4619580

E-Mail : handa/[email protected]
        [email protected]


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I've got to UNSUBSCRIBE in the Next 24 hours!!!


This email  doesn't tell me how to unsubscribe.  plse advise. thank you.

No browser on my computer.

thank you.
xyOn
Sun, 14 Dec 1997
[email protected] wrote:

>
> This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
> aid readers in finding information about Pine.  Before sending questions
> to the mailing list, please consult these resources:
>
> The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
> help.  Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes,
> Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are
> available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be
> accessed:
>
>      - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
>        http://www.washington.edu/pine/
>
>      - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
>        subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
>        documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.
>
>      - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
>        also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
>        (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
>        folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
>             *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]
>
>
> The messages from this mailing list are archived.  These archives can be
> accessed:
>
>      - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
>        http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
>        (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information
>         on how to subscribe to this mailing list)
>
>      - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
>        subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.
>
>      - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
>        MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and
>        choose Add Value) as:
>             *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]
>
> Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine
> newsgroup.
>
> If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
> and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
> messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL:
>
> http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
>   or
> ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt
>
> If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
> the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service
> Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
> provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
> using, Pine.  Because system functions and configuration can vary from
> site to site, they are best qualified to assist you.  (Due to the large
> number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
> cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
> organizations.)
>
> Sun Dec 14 03:00:06 PST 1997
>
>  -----------------------------------
>   Pine development and support team
>   University of Washington
>   Computing & Communications
>  -----------------------------------
>
>


Regards


John de Boer
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On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, John de Boer wrote:

> I've got to UNSUBSCRIBE in the Next 24 hours!!!

For starters, and this is a guess, try sending email to:

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Hi,

I just wondered if there was a place to post to for what you would like to
see in future releases of PINE? If there is please let me know.

Thanks



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On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Eric Beyer wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  I just wondered if there was a place to post to for what you would like to
> see in future releases of PINE? If there is please let me know.

You can send suggestions to the Pine Development Team at this address:

Pine Developers <[email protected]>


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dear info center,
       hi. i am having trouble with my account.  it seems that i am
unable to receive new mail becaue i've exceeded my disk file.  what should
i do?  i am not very familiar with this system.  if you could please help.
please respond to [email protected]. i can get the message from there.
thank you very much.

tammy


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--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 12:04 pm -0600 "Adam H. Kerman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
>>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:26:13 +0000
>
>>--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 8:48 am -0500 "Michael Holzberg"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Can you tell me what the official name is of the pound symbol on the
>>>telephone?  I think its prefix is octa....
>
> So your DTMF dial pad lacks one of
>
>>        |  |
>>      --+--+--
>>        |  |
>>      --+--+--
>>        |  |

The standard UK dial pad includes both the above ("hash") and asterisk
("star" in British Telecom-speak).


--On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 11:59 am -0800 "David L Miller"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would
> add a little more confusion to the mix.  In the US, the "hash" symbol
> is also used to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight.  Thus we
> really do use the right word, but with a different definition!

Gentle groan of understanding!  (So what do they use in the US to indicate
"a number"?)

Here in the UK "#" (hash) is usually used to indicate a number, whereas "lb"
indicates the unit of weight known as a pound, and the "curly-L" I tried to
draw before is the "pound" unit of currency.  Perhaps this is yet another
explanation for the continued confusion (I and, I suspect, a lot of Brits
have never heard of Americans using "#" to indicate a unit of weight!
Incidentally the confusion deepends as my American colleague has never heard
of the convention of using "#" (hash) to represent a weight!)

[For those of an entymological nature I am informed that "lb" comes from the
Latin "libre": something to do with weight apparently.]

Cheers,

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>> "TL" == Tammy Lee <[email protected]> writes:

TL> i am having trouble with my account.  it seems that i am unable to
TL> receive new mail becaue i've exceeded my disk file.  what should i
TL> do?

Delete files you don't need.

TL> i am not very familiar with this system.

Have someone delete files you don't need.

TL> if you could please help.

No. Too dangerous. You *could* do the following, but remember that
Unix is a Real Operating System unlike Windos - rm will remove those
files for good, ok?

Read the following man pages (by saying "man <command>" at the prompt:

    quota
    rm
    du
    sort

Then say this:

    du ~/ | sort -n | less

This will tell you the disk usage in your home dir, sort it by size
and pipe the result into a command that will let you scroll up and
down. Find out which stuff you don't need and say:

     rm stuff             # for files or
     rm -rf ~/stuffdir    # for entire directories including subdirs

BTW, this is the *w-r-o-n-g  p-l-a-c-e* for your question.

Cheers,
Robin

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>> "MB" == Mike Brudenell <[email protected]> writes:

MB> [For those of an entymological nature I am informed that "lb" comes
MB> from the Latin "libre": something to do with weight apparently.]

Oh dear... that's "libra" (i.e. "scales" or Roman "pound") you
barbarian. "Barbarian" (for those of an etymological nature) comes
from Greek ... <rant>

Could the list maintainer please change the subject for this forum?

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how i can get base64

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> > Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would
> > add a little more confusion to the mix.  In the US, the "hash" symbol
> > is also used to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight.  Thus we
> > really do use the right word, but with a different definition!
>
> Gentle groan of understanding!  (So what do they use in the US to indicate
> "a number"?)
Same symbol you do :)

> Here in the UK "#" (hash) is usually used to indicate a number, whereas "lb"
> indicates the unit of weight known as a pound, and the "curly-L" I tried to
> draw before is the "pound" unit of currency.  Perhaps this is yet another
That is the same convention used in the US, only most computer systems
don't make it easy to get the English pound symbol (as discussed earlier)

> have never heard of Americans using "#" to indicate a unit of weight!
> Incidentally the confusion deepends as my American colleague has never heard
> of the convention of using "#" (hash) to represent a weight!)
I have heard of this from time to time.  The only explanation I can deduce
is that when the convention of converting the hash (#) to the English
pound symbol came about, it simply confused a lot of Americans (which is
easy to do.. quite a bit of our language has been bastardized by people
who have simply misheard a word being spoken ;)  who then began using the
symbol for American pounds as well, which then caught on.  So we can be
blamed for statements like:
1,500# #1 race horse, 50,000#

Americans are never confused enough.. just look at our television
programming :)

(BTW, I just responded so Robin would have more to rant at ;)

Pat


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>> "HG" == Huang Guowan <[email protected]> writes:
HG> how i can get base64

Well, multiply base32 by 2 of course...

<http://www.metacrawler.com/crawler?general=base64&target=&region=&rpp=20&timeout=10&hpe=10>

<-- That's *one* line...

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Recently, we have noticed on our two systems using Pine 3.96 that mail
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>From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:52 +0000

>On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 David L Miller <[email protected]> wrote:

>>Sorry to continue this off-topic discussion, but I just though I would add a
>>little more confusion to the mix. In the US, the "hash" symbol is also used
>>to refer to "pound" as the measure of weight. Thus we really do use the right
>>word, but with a different definition!

>Gentle groan of understanding! (So what do they use in the US to indicate "a
>number"?)

Same symbol. Two pounds (weight) is 2# or 2 lbs. Number two is #2, which should
be the same as your practice.

>Incidentally the confusion deepends as my American colleague has never heard
>of the convention of using "#" (hash) to represent a weight!)

It isn't nearly as common as "lb."


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Dear sir, i write to you in order to know if you can answer me how to link
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I want to receive all the documents that i receive in my pine mail in my
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>> "NS" == Noone Special <[email protected]> writes:

NS> (BTW, I just responded so Robin would have more to rant at ;)

<rant>
What's a pound, anyway? Why can't you sickos not use metrics like
civilised peoples do?
</rant>

What's this got to do with pine? Who's Pat? Why's everyone faking
their from-line all of a sudden? Is anyone writing on this list using
pine? What is the meaning of life?

Robin - confused without American television

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>From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]>
>Date: 15 Dec 1997 17:29:03 +0100

>What's a pound, anyway? Why can't you sickos not use metrics like civilised
>peoples do?

Metric? Feh. What does a fraction of the distance of the meridian through Paris
have to do with my life? I have an easier time estimating length based on the
body parts of a strangely-shaped English king.

We use weight measurements. In vague attempts to convert US to the metric
system, we have built spring and electronic scales to measure kilograms, more
commonly a unit of mass. This requires a balance scale, of course. While it is
true that there were, at one time, 3 different weight measurement systems, only
one is commonly used today. Gold is still measured in troy ounces, though.

Before anyone gloats that "metric is standardized" I would point out that there
are 2 systems, the meter-kilogram-second system, and the International System.
Certain electrical measures, like current and charge, are defined differently!

So there. I'm not converting till the French get it right.


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>> "AHK" == Adam H Kerman <[email protected]> writes:

AHK> So there. I'm not converting till the French get it right.

*pffffffff*
What are you referring to? Food? War? Science?
*giggle*

Robin "frog-friend" Socha

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"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?"

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>Date: 15 Dec 1997 17:58:40 +0100
>From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]>

>Adam H. Kerman <[email protected]> writes:

>>So there. I'm not converting till the French get it right.

>*pffffffff*
>What are you referring to? Food? War? Science?
>*giggle*

Diplomacy.


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I have a homepage at my college wich uses pine.  What is the command
that I use when I want to bring it up and edit it using pico.
Thanks
Joe Abellard
[email protected]

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>> "m" == markstokes  <[email protected]> writes:

m> I have a homepage at my college wich uses pine.  What is the
m> command that I use when I want to bring it up and edit it using
m> pico.

pico <filename>

Robin

--
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Political Science Dept., Bonn University
We've seen the restless children at the head of the columns
Come to purify the future with the arrogance of youth

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OK, I have a question...I have a client who wants the Fcc: field
to appear in the default header - the four-field standard header
you get when you open a compose screen in Pine (To:, Cc:,
Attchmnt:, and Subject:).  I can make it appear in the Rich
Header list but not in the defaults.  Is it doable?  If it is, is
it client-modifiable or does it have to be set at the sysadmin
level?  I haven't so far been able to identify what to modify and
thought I'd see if any of you guys have done this or know how
to...

TIA
Lea


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I'm trying to set up pine to sort my mail (by subject and From field right
now--i.e. all mail from [email protected] goes to folder IN.foo and all mail
with the subject qaz goes to folder qaz, etc).

Near as I can tell, the recommended procedure for this is to use procmail,
but it looks like (to me) that the mail delivery agent needs to be running
on the computer that I'm checking my mail on, which is not the case here.

Currently I access my mail through a telnet unix account using pine, which
uses IMAP to get mail from the mailserver (which I do not have a telnet
account on, only a mail account)

Any ideas on how I can filter? Am I just confused about procmail needing
access to a local delivery agent?

Thanks,
Drachen



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> What's this got to do with pine? Who's Pat? Why's everyone faking
> their from-line all of a sudden? Is anyone writing on this list using
> pine? What is the meaning of life?
To answer your questions in order:
Nothing.
I am.
I haven't seen any faked from-lines lately
I am.
Fish.


Pat



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On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Lea wrote:

> OK, I have a question...I have a client who wants the Fcc: field
> to appear in the default header - the four-field standard header
> you get when you open a compose screen in Pine (To:, Cc:,
> Attchmnt:, and Subject:).  I can make it appear in the Rich
> Header list but not in the defaults.  Is it doable?  If it is, is
> it client-modifiable or does it have to be set at the sysadmin
> level?  I haven't so far been able to identify what to modify and
> thought I'd see if any of you guys have done this or know how
> to...

Try reading the help on: OPTION: Default-Composer-Headers.

Ed

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I have just been poking around looking at some options in the
configuration I hadn't examined closely before. For  example, the option
"Display-Filters" looks interesting.  And I read about it.  What what does
it do?

Can someone give me an example of a command I could put in there to do
something interesting?

Thank you.




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> AV == Andrew Vardy <[email protected]> writes:
AV> I have just been poking around looking at some options in the
AV> configuration I hadn't examined closely before. For  example, the option
AV> "Display-Filters" looks interesting.  And I read about it.  What what does
AV> it do?
AV> Can someone give me an example of a command I could put in there to do
AV> something interesting?

A very simple syntax example would be:

"what to match" /what/to do
IE it will search the body of every message you display in your pine
session for "what to match" and if it matches, will feed the body of the
message (via STDIN) to the command /what/to do

For a more detailed description, check the documentation included with
pine (go to the main menu, then choose "s" for Setup, then "c" for
Config.. then page down until you are on the display-filters option, then
press ^g for help)

Pat



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On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote:

> Any ideas on how I can filter? Am I just confused about procmail needing
> access to a local delivery agent?

You do have a problem if your inbox is on a machine for which you have no
login account.

However, all is not lost.  The way procmail works is by piping the
incoming mails to procmail as STDIN via the .forward file.

You can do the following:

1.      Get procmail on the system where you run pine and do have the
login account.

2.      Setup your .procmailrc

3.      When in pine you can use the following sequence

       ; a a | procmail

       This means, "select", "all", "apply", "pipe to procmail".

You are done.  You just have to remember to clean out your inbox so the
next time you perform "3" you don't get multiple copies.

Ed

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>From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]>
>Date: 15 Dec 1997 22:17:34 +0100

>markstokes <[email protected]> writes:

>>I have a homepage at my college wich uses pine. What is the command that I
>>use when I want to bring it up and edit it using pico.

>pico <filename>

Er, I wouldn't do that.

pico, by default (it ain't on the man page), wraps lines greater than 74
characters. While you are editing, a line will not exceed 74 characters, but
will be broken at the first whitespace at 74 or to the left. This will ruin
your HTML.

If you must use pico, disable word wrap with the -w switch. However (it ain't
on the man page either), when you call your document and BEFORE you edit it,
any line greater than 255 characters will be broken between the 255 and 256
character, NOT AT THE WHITESPACE before that.

And, if your line is 255 characters long, you will get a blank line following
it. Why does pico do that?

In addition to the -w switch, I advise you to use the -d switch (to bind ^d to
the delete key if your terminal emulation supports it) and the -z switch (to
suspend processing if you have a jobs-control shell).

You'll be happier if you find another editor in the long run.


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I keep getting a message that says "disk quota exceeded" when I try to
save messages, etc. Also, I if I compose a message or reply, I get this
message
Help!
I have no idea how to fix this!


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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> I keep getting a message that says "disk quota exceeded" when I try to
> save messages, etc. Also, I if I compose a message or reply, I get this
> message
> Help!
> I have no idea how to fix this!

Sounds like you're out of disk space. Either delete some stuff you don't
need, or ask your local admin for more.

Drachen


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My users are getting carried away with incoming mail, and I
would just like to know what's the easiest way to control
the amount of space used up by an INBOX?

Running Solaris 2.5 and have tried setting user quotas
on /var.  SENDMAIL ignores them and appends incoming mail
anyway.  Have tried symbolic link of /var/mail/userid to
a file in userid's home directory, but all mail gets bounced
complaining of the link...  Others have suggested PROCMAIL
as a delivery agent, but that sounds very difficult..

Any ideas?

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Hi,

I'm compiling PINE 3.96 on an AIX 4.2.1 machine and I'm getting the
same errors you were getting a year ago.

Do you remember how you solved the problem (if you did!)?

Thanks a lot.

-Erdem Ozsaruhan
NSF Postmaster




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You wrote in Oct 1996:



I'm having problems getting a successful compilation of Pine on an IBM
RS/6000 under AIX v4.1.

Some of the compile statements give the following kind of output:

       cc -g -Dunix=1 -D_BSD -DNFSKLUDGE  -c smtp.c

"smtp.c", line 170.9: 1506-068 (W) Operation between types
"long(*)(unsigned ch.
"smtp.c", line 298.27: 1506-068 (W) Operation between types
"void(*)(unsigned c.
       cc -g -Dunix=1 -D_BSD -DNFSKLUDGE  -c nntp.c

       cc -c   -D_ALL_SOURCE -Da41 -DJOB_CONTROL -DPOSIX -DMOUSE
osdep.c
"osdep.c", line 2082.22: 1506-280 (W) Function argument assignment
between type.
       cc -c   -D_ALL_SOURCE -Da41 -DJOB_CONTROL -DPOSIX -DMOUSE
pico.c

       cc     -Dconst= -DA41 -DSYSTYPE=\"A41\" -DMOUSE -c help.c
"os.h", line 61.25: 1506-342 (W) "/*" detected in comment.
"os.h", line 71.34: 1506-342 (W) "/*" detected in comment.
"os.h", line 220.27: 1506-342 (W) "/*" detected in comment.

.. and so on.

What's going on here?  If I un-tar the Pine 3.95 file and compile it
on an AIX 3.2.5 machine we've got, it installs just fine.  Am I
missing something simple?  Is it the environment or the "C" compiler
that's having problems?

Any clues would be most appreciated.

- Michael

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I had the same problem, you can fix trhe problem addinng the next line
to the pine.conf.fixed file in /usr/local/lib directory.

sendmail-path=/usr/sbin/sendmail -t

Happy Christmas..




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Hello,

Could you please tell me where can I find the latest version of pine for
the i386 Solaris. I believe the latest version is 3.96.

I have tried at various places but have not been able to find one.

Thanks...
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> > OK, I have a question...I have a client who wants the Fcc: field
> > to appear in the default header - the four-field standard header
> > you get when you open a compose screen in Pine (To:, Cc:,
> > Attchmnt:, and Subject:).  I can make it appear in the Rich
> > Header list but not in the defaults.  Is it doable?  If it is, is
> > it client-modifiable or does it have to be set at the sysadmin
> > level?  I haven't so far been able to identify what to modify and
> > thought I'd see if any of you guys have done this or know how
> > to...
>
> Try reading the help on: OPTION: Default-Composer-Headers.

Thanks, Ed.  Found it, tried it, made it work.

Much appreciated!

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Hello!
I recently received an attatchment that was supposed to be a picture of
a friend of mine. It had the "application/ms-tnef" identifier attached
to it. I received it in my Netscape browser and in Netscape email. I use
Bellsouth.net as my ISP. I cannot view this attachment to save my life.
Do you have any idea what this application is "ms-tnef"?....And how do I
view this attachment? (now saved to my HD.). Your reply would be greatly
appreciated. Thank you very much! ([email protected])

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>>>On Tue, 16 Dec 97 13:14:39 EST, "Lynne Seamans" <[email protected]> said:


LS> Running Solaris 2.5 and have tried setting user quotas on /var.
LS> SENDMAIL ignores them and appends incoming mail anyway.  Have
LS> tried symbolic link of /var/mail/userid to a file in userid's
LS> home directory, but all mail gets bounced complaining of the
LS> link...  Others have suggested PROCMAIL as a delivery agent, but
LS> that sounds very difficult..

Hi,

I don't know, but on our Sun, sendmail is started up per default with
the uid of root. This might cause the ignorance of the daemon to your
quota settings. Perhaps, but this is a blind shot - beware, you should
run sendmail under a different uid and set quota restriction for this
user in /var.

Then again, I'd prefer the procmail variant, if that's possible.

I really don't know, because at our site I allow the users to read all
their mail: The amount is not that disturbingly high and I don't want
to decide whether an incoming mail is important to the recipient or
not. In order to make this decision I would have to read message
which is absolutely impossible from my point of view (think of privacy
and system administration and don't forget temporal aspects). But this
touches aspects of system admin philosophy and should not be discussed
on this list.

only my 2p, norbert.

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--On Tue, Dec 16, 1997 1:14 pm +0000 "Lynne Seamans"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> My users are getting carried away with incoming mail, and I
> would just like to know what's the easiest way to control
> the amount of space used up by an INBOX?
>
> Running Solaris 2.5 and have tried setting user quotas
> on /var.  SENDMAIL ignores them and appends incoming mail
> anyway.  Have tried symbolic link of /var/mail/userid to
> a file in userid's home directory, but all mail gets bounced
> complaining of the link...  Others have suggested PROCMAIL
> as a delivery agent, but that sounds very difficult..
>
> Any ideas?

We faced exactly the same problem a year or so back on our Silicon Graphics
IRIX system that acted as our IMAP/mail server.  Recently we have moved the
server onto a Sun Solaris 2.5.1 system and re-implemented the changes we
made...

Firstly you should note that it is (probably) not sendmail itself that is
actually performing the final delivery into the user's INBOX folder.
Usually sendmail uses an external program to do this: typically it is
/bin/mail with the (usually undocumented in the man page) "-d" option; under
Solaris it might also be /usr/lib/mail.local.  (This latter is a
deliver-only agent, and hence may be more secure as it doesn't have all the
reading code baggage that /bin/mail carries.)

It _might_ be that reconfiguring sendmail to use the "other" of these two
utilities for final delivery _may_ solve your problem of the delivery agent
ignoring the quotas you have turned on and set up.

However what we have done here is to use the "tmail" program that is
included in the IMAP utilities kit.  This is designed as a drop-in
replacement for /bin/mail and is built using the IMAP server's underlying
C-Client mail folder handling library.  This means it should interwork well
with your IMAP server as regards folder locking etc.

You can find the IMAP utilities kit at:

   ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/imap-utils.tar.Z

Note that you will also need the C-Client code for the IMAP 4 distribution;
the latest version can be found at:

   ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/imap-4.1.BETA.tar.Z

If you need help reconfiguring sendmail to use a different delivery program
please check the sendmail documentation.  Assuming you are using the m4
pre-processor based configuration available in current versions of sendmail
this is relatively painless to do and is described in the accompanying
documentation.  For additional information or help please ask in the
comp.mail.sendmail Usenet News group.

Cheers,

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...>>pico <filename>
...>This will ruin your HTML.

To my experience
       PICO does HTML
as well as any other ASCII-file
and nothing will be broken,

kind regards,
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Not presently subscribed to Pine discussion group.  Will appreciate
any advice direct to me.

Using Pine 3.93 on unix. Suddenly "lost" about 200
read emails from my inbox.  Not in any of the folders I have set up, it
seems.

Thank you any advice


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Hi,

I need to know if there is a site where I can download the pico zip
file, and extract it.
I also need to know which file in the zip file is an executable. Also if
this file will run in a HP Unix environment.

Any kind of help will be greatly appreciated.

Syed Hasan

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>From: "H. Bork" <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:57:16 +0100 (CET)

>....>>pico <filename>
>....>This will ruin your HTML.

>To my experience
>       PICO does HTML
>as well as any other ASCII-file
>and nothing will be broken,

>kind regards,

You kindly deleted my advice that by default, pico wraps lines at the
whitespace to the left of or at the 74th character on a line, and that he
should use the -w switch to more easily edit longer lines.

Now, if you had HTML such as
<a
href="http://some.domain/">Web Page
Name</a>
could your browser load the page? Yes.

Is it ugly code? Yes.
Would a sane person write code like that? No. Does it make it damn difficult to
find encoding mistakes when lines are randomly broken? Of course. That's why
it's better to allow longer lines.

Do you write code like that?

What the hell are you arguing with me for, just to be obnoxious?


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I see no documentation on this subject, and nothing of relevence in the
FAQs or news/mail archives, so I was asking for help on making a
pine.conf.fixed that meets the following goals:

* It limits users access file to files in their home directory

* It does not allow users to execute arbitrary commands.  This includes
 alternate editors, etc.

* Meeting the above two critieron, it maximises the user's ability to
 configure and customise pine.

Here is the pine.conf.fixed file I thought of:

# no settings that would allow clever users to get at a shell prompt

display-filters=/bin/true
editor=/bin/true
speller=/usr/bin/spell
image-viewer=/bin/true
sendmail-path=/usr/lib/sendmail
sending-filters=/bin/true

# why would users need to upload files
upload-command=/bin/true

# Is this a security risk?
download-command=/usr/bin/sz

# Nor do we allow them to look at any files besides their own

operating-dir=~

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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Noone Special wrote:

> > AV == Andrew Vardy <[email protected]> writes:
> AV> I have just been poking around looking at some options in the
> AV> configuration I hadn't examined closely before. For  example, the option
> AV> "Display-Filters" looks interesting.  And I read about it.  What what does
> AV> it do?
> AV> Can someone give me an example of a command I could put in there to do
> AV> something interesting?
>
> A very simple syntax example would be:
>
> "what to match" /what/to do

hmmm... Is that an example?

Looks decidedly like English to me.  Can Pine understand English?

> Config.. then page down until you are on the display-filters option, then
> press ^g for help)

Yes, I did mention I read about it.

>
> Pat
>
>






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I have recently encountered a problem when using the Pine program to reply
to an Email, which may be due to a bug.  It may also be due to a missing
entry in my Configuration file.


I have configured my `Reply to Email messages' so that the reply starts
with the received message.  When that received message is long and I only
want to include part of it in my reply, I would like to be able to snip
out the rest.  According to the relevant Help screen, it ought to be
possible to mark the beginning and the end of the text to be snipped with
`Ctrl ^' and then snip it with `Ctrl K'.  However, I cannot get the `Ctrl
^' to work.  I note that the `Ctrl ^' command is listed on the `Help'
screen, but is not among the listed available options at the bottom of the
screen in use when actually composing a message.


Any help that will enable me to snip a block of text without having to
snip it line by line will be gratefully received.


Felix Karpfen


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Why does pine do the first by default whereas the comments in the .pinerc
file say the latter is way things must behave?

Thanks

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On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Alan Thew wrote:

> Why does pine do the first by default whereas the comments in the .pinerc
> file say the latter is way things must behave?

All my .pinerc file says is:

# This names the path to an alternative sendmail program which is
# usually "/usr/lib/sendmail".  It must support sendmail's "-bs" option.

Maybe someone make "local" changes to your .pinerc???

Ed



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I received an E-mail with an attachment. As instructed I viewed it "v"
and saved it "s". Now how do I get to see it? I know it's a Xmas card
because it was forwarded to my office and I had no problem viewing it.
>From that experience I also know it is in Lotus format. But how do I
bring it up here in my home, on Pine? My address is
[email protected]

Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Well the main thing is that you have saved in your directory on your
computer.  The next step is to open it with a compatible viewer.  You
mentioned it was Lotus so I would recommend that.  Open Lotus and then use
it to open your file to where you saved it.  Well this is A Frequently
Asked Question so Merry Christmas from Santa Home in Alaska.

Brian Nisonger
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On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, WIPHN wrote:

> I received an E-mail with an attachment. As instructed I viewed it "v"
> and saved it "s". Now how do I get to see it? I know it's a Xmas card
> because it was forwarded to my office and I had no problem viewing it.
> >From that experience I also know it is in Lotus format. But how do I
> bring it up here in my home, on Pine? My address is
> [email protected]
>
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>


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HI ! I have a a problem with my pine configuration. I can't save anything
and I can't change any of the address book data. so, please help & advice.

Sincerely,
NAWAF ALSHAWWA


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--On Thu, Dec 18, 1997 7:52 am +1100 "Felix Karpfen" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I have recently encountered a problem when using the Pine program to reply
> to an Email, which may be due to a bug.  It may also be due to a missing
> entry in my Configuration file.

Nope... Pine _does_ recognise Ctrl/^ but can only do so if your
terminal/terminal emulator actually *sends* the control character...

For terminal emulators the problem may relate to the keyboard mapping that
your micro is set up to use.  For example by default an Apple Macintosh
(running System 7.5.5) and using BetterTelnet 1.2.2 doesn't transmit the
Ctrl/^ keystroke *as* Ctrl/^ but instead transmits "6" (the "^" character is
Shift/6).  Obviously Pine thinks you have instead pressed the "6" key, and
so inserts "6" into your message.

Other terminal emulators on other micros may have similar foibles, as may
even real live (hardware) terminals.

One solution is to try various combinations of other modifier keys: for
example in the case of the Mac+BetterTelnet solution described above typing
Ctrl/Shift/6 has the desired effect ... this is a function of the micro's
operating system and its selected keymapping.

A more general solution is to change the Ctrl/ prefix to the two keystrokes
Escape Escape.  Thus Ctrl/^ can also be typed as:

   Escape Escape ^

(Note that this is *not* "Escape Escape 6" (using the Mac keyboard layout
referred to above) but instead "Escape Escape Shift/6" (where the Shift/6
gives the necessary "^" character).)

Aren't terminal( emulator)s fun?!

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hmmmm.... my .pinerc contains the words

# NOTE: The program MUST read the message to be posted on standard input,
#       AND operate in the style of sendmail's "-t" option.

/usr/lib/sendmail -t

works with no problems for me and pine 3.96 .

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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Alan Thew wrote:
>
> > Why does pine do the first by default whereas the comments in the .pinerc
> > file say the latter is way things must behave?
>
> All my .pinerc file says is:
>
> # This names the path to an alternative sendmail program which is
> # usually "/usr/lib/sendmail".  It must support sendmail's "-bs" option.
>
> Maybe someone make "local" changes to your .pinerc???
>
> Ed
>
>
>


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> # This names the path to an alternative sendmail program which is
> # usually "/usr/lib/sendmail".  It must support sendmail's "-bs" option.

Hey.. I could really use the sendmail minus the bs...

Pat



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MORON =  Andrew Vardy <[email protected]> wrote:

MORON> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:17:39 -0330 (NST)
MORON> From: Andrew Vardy <[email protected]>
MORON> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>

> > AV> Can someone give me an example of a command I could put in there to do
> > AV> something interesting?
> >
> > A very simple syntax example would be:
> >
> > "what to match" /what/to do

MORON> hmmm... Is that an example?
MORON> Looks decidedly like English to me.  Can Pine understand English?

Oh, sorry.. I often get English and syntax confused sometimes.. Here is a
good example then, it does something VERY interesting. You may, of
course, have to change the pathname to your 'yes' program.. type
"which yes" at a command prompt for the path:

"ndrew" /usr/bin/yes

> > Config.. then page down until you are on the display-filters option, then
> > press ^g for help)
>
MORON> Yes, I did mention I read about it.

OH.. so you already read the help and still don't get it?  I'm sorry.

Pat
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BN = BRIAN E NISONGER <[email protected]> wrote:

BS> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:37:17 -0900
BS> Subject: Re: attachment

BS> Well the main thing is that you have saved in your directory on your
BS> computer.  The next step is to open it with a compatible viewer.  You
Actually, what they did is export the file from pine to their unix
account, if they are not using PC pine, that is.  If that is the case,
they first would need to download the file using sz or ftp, whichever is
appropriate.. THEN open the file in Lotus :)

BS> Brian Nisonger
BS> "Wouldn't it be nice if life had a reset button"
Yes, but it would be nicer if people had power switches.

Pat



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>
> When I send a message throug PINE, often two messages are sent
> instead of one.
> Why is that?  Is there something I can change in my setup?
>
>


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I am using Pine 3.95.  It is the precompiled Linux version that
comes with Red Hat.  The "new message" indicator (that is, the
"N" that appears next to ostensibly unread e-mail messages when
viewing the index) does not work properly.  More than 50% of the
time, the "N" appears regardless of whether the message has in
fact been read.

This is quite irritating.  Other than that, I have no complaints
about Pine.  Excellent program.  What could be wrong?

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Although there was a short thread on this last March, I was wondering
what the prospects were for using S/MIME with Pine, preferably on a
DEC VMS platform.

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Simply open the file in Lotus.

drachen

On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, WIPHN wrote:

> I received an E-mail with an attachment. As instructed I viewed it "v"
> and saved it "s". Now how do I get to see it? I know it's a Xmas card
> because it was forwarded to my office and I had no problem viewing it.
> >From that experience I also know it is in Lotus format. But how do I
> bring it up here in my home, on Pine? My address is
> [email protected]
>
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
>


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>From: Ed Suda <[email protected]>
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:10:56 -0800 (PST)

>I am using Pine 3.95.  It is the precompiled Linux version that comes with Red
>Hat.  The "new message" indicator (that is, the "N" that appears next to
>ostensibly unread e-mail messages when viewing the index) does not work
>properly.  More than 50% of the time, the "N" appears regardless of whether
>the message has in fact been read.

My system just installed a new Red Hat Linux, and 3.96 was precompiled. The
last Red Hat had 3.95 precompiled (the buggy version!), but I didn't experience
that problem.

btw, the new message indicator is a change to the Status header from O (new
message) to RO (read message). I don't know what the O indicates. The other
flags (deleted, important, answered) are set on the X-Status header.

What are the permissions on your /tmp?


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I am getting the message "Your terminal, 4313, is lacking functions needed
to run pine".  Now back in June of 96 I solved this at another site, but
can't find my docs on how I did it.  So far I've added

:se=\Eg0:so=\Eg8:\
:MC=\Eg4:MD=\Eg0:ME=\Eg2:MF=\Eg0:

to the termcap but I'm still getting the message.  What else do I have to
do?  Do I have to play with terminfo?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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I'm using the below version of dgux and was wondering if somebody has a
precompiled version of pine they could send me?  Email it to
[email protected] if you could.  About a year ago I had the same
question and got a number of replies but the client didn't follow up with
it at that time and I've since delete the copy I had received.  Thanks a
log.

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Is there any size limitation for either an individual distribution
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We're planning on using the Lcc method to send mail to 4 lists that
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help!!! i dont know how to mark the little circled "a" you write in the =
e-mail addresses, you know, after the name of the user and before the =
rest.  Itried shift 2, contol shift, alt 2 , and nothing happens, i =
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Try the Clemson University AVLIB (ftp.avlib.clemson.edu). I obtained the
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and they work fine, but they only had 3.93
when I downloaded.

Regards,
Hugh E Cruickshank.

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From:   Chris Nolan
Sent:   Thursday, December 18, 1997 12:49
To:     Pine Discussion Forum
Subject:        DG/UX version of pine?

I'm using the below version of dgux and was wondering if somebody has a
precompiled version of pine they could send me?  Email it to
[email protected] if you could.  About a year ago I had the same
question and got a number of replies but the client didn't follow up with
it at that time and I've since delete the copy I had received.  Thanks a
log.

R4.11MU03 generic AViiON mc88110

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messages.
Isnt there anyt any facility to save out going messages??
I mean like in-box why dont u have out box
please reply asap

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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Kailash Rathi wrote:

> messages.
> Isnt there anyt any facility to save out going messages??
> I mean like in-box why dont u have out box
> please reply asap
>
> kailash
> ********************************************************************** THE
> CRUSADERS WHO SET THEIR OWN TRENDS................
> **********************************************************************
> KAILASH RATHI
>
> RESIDENCE :- OFFICE :- A/603 - MAURYA APARTMENTS, GECARS PROJECT, RAHEJA
> TOWNSHIP, OFFSHORE DEVELOPMENT CENTRE, MALAD(E), SEEPZ, ANDHERI(E), MUMBAI
> - 400 097 MUMBAI -400 096 INDIA INDIA
>
> BUZZ : 91-22-8426050                  91-22-8228680/81/82 EXTN. 242
>
> **********************************************************************
> BORN TO LEAD.........
> **********************************************************************
>
>

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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Dwight Johnson wrote:

DJ> On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Dwight Johnson wrote:
DJ>
DJ> > Red Hat 5.0 is the first production Linux distribution to use
DJ> > the glibc library with true multithreading.
DJ> >
DJ> > The version of Pine 3.96 distributed with Red Hat 5.0 has the
DJ> > problem that when you are in Pico and ispell and exit ispell
DJ> > it crashes and you have to kill Pine leaving ispell as a zombie
DJ> > process.
DJ> >
DJ> > An analogous problem happens when using vi as alternate editor.
DJ> > Upon exit from vi, Pine crashes leaving vi as a zombie.
DJ>
DJ> Sam Trenholme has just posted a fix for this at:
DJ>
DJ>  http://samiam.org/BlackDragon
DJ>

Could you (or anyone else) send a copy of the patches to
[email protected]?  I tried downloading the above, but I don't
have anything handy that can read RPM files...



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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Noone Special wrote:

> "ndrew" /usr/bin/yes
>
> >
> MORON> Yes, I did mention I read about it.
>
> OH.. so you already read the help and still don't get it?  I'm sorry.

MY - What friendly people one may meet on the Internet!

Goodness, I shall have to remember to get you a very nice present for
Christmas.

I guess you rather hear all the messages on this list about small animals,
music bands, storybooks, loans, and get rich quick stuff - anything BUT
PINE.

Pat  /dev/null

Sayonara.

>
> Pat
> Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings.
>









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One of my folders has been in a READONLY mode for days and days now;
there is a lock on it, and that means I can't even DELETE it!
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how one gets out of this??
   --Dolores


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>> "DB" == Dolores Burdick <[email protected]> writes:

DB> One of my folders has been in a READONLY mode for days and days
DB> now; there is a lock on it, and that means I can't even DELETE it!
DB> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how one gets out of this??

At the prompt, say

  ps ax | grep pine

If there is more than one instance of pine running, kill it using the
pid ps gives you. Otherwise contact your sysadmin.

Robin

--
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the question, and the answer is NO.

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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine.  Before sending questions
to the mailing list, please consult these resources:

The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
help.  Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes,
Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are
available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be
accessed:

    - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
      http://www.washington.edu/pine/

    - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
      subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
      documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

    - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
      also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
      (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
      folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
           *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]


The messages from this mailing list are archived.  These archives can be
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    - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
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       on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

    - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
      subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

    - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
      MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and
      choose Add Value) as:
           *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine
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If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
 or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
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Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine.  Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you.  (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Dec 21 03:00:04 PST 1997

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A while ago I heard someone say something about with PINE, rather than
setting a signature file that you could use a directory, and in that
directory you could put many different signatures and PINE would randomly
chose one every time you wrote a message.  Can anyone tell me just how to
do that?

Thanks!

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On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Shaun Peterson-Coley wrote:

> A while ago I heard someone say something about with PINE, rather than
> setting a signature file that you could use a directory, and in that
> directory you could put many different signatures and PINE would randomly
> chose one every time you wrote a message.  Can anyone tell me just how to
> do that?

Your memory fails you.  That is not a setting available within pine.

If you are into perl and scripting you could have a perl script which
writes a random sig to a named pipe and have pine reading from the pipe.

Enjoy...

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>> "SP" == Shaun Peterson-Coley <[email protected]> writes:

SP> A while ago I heard someone say something about with PINE, rather
SP> than setting a signature file that you could use a directory, and
SP> in that directory you could put many different signatures and PINE
SP> would randomly chose one every time you wrote a message.  Can
SP> anyone tell me just how to do that?

Sure. Check the pine archives and look for signature and random. The
mail was by David Miller IIRC.

Cheers,
Robin

P.S. Your signature is too long, and it doesn't have sigdashes.

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i have a program that requires a multiple number "mail server" name or code or
whatever you call it.  How do I find that number?


carno a.K.a.  iCeLorD

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I've been getting reports from my pine users of occasionally getting a message
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Suggestions?

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hello
I was recently subscribed - not currently.  Will appreciate advice direct
to my email, pls and thank you

Using Pine 3.93 on Unix. I use a MAc.

A week ago, about 200 of my read email in my inbox, vanished. There was a
hiccup with my remote connection to the Uni and when I logged in again, my
200+ message had dissappered and a few new one, simply numbered from 1 to
X.

When I check my file (copied below there is 2.8k of email in there.

           blocks   quota   limit   grace   files   quota   limit grace
> /var/spool/mail
>             2824*   1500    5000   5days       1       3       4
    /user   21740   40000   42000             401    1000    1200

However, my few messages in my inbox currently is not anywhere near 2824.
They are
all short without attachments.

Where could my mail have gone? How can I retrieve it?  I know it's
christmas but Santa has got tho have those enevelopes somewhere.

Thanks for any advise

John de Boer


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I have found a lot of information on the .forward file, but not the one
specific thing I am looking for.
What would the format of a .forward file be... to have multiple address'?
In other words, I own a domain .. ie.. downstairs.com, I want to have a
forward file that will send mail addressed to [email protected], to
another address, and mail that is sent to [email protected] to a different
address (I'll actually have 5 or 6 aliases out there)  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.

-------
Chip Adair
C&J Design @ Downstairs.com
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On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Chip Adair wrote:

> I have found a lot of information on the .forward file, but not the one
> specific thing I am looking for.
> What would the format of a .forward file be... to have multiple address'?
> In other words, I own a domain .. ie.. downstairs.com, I want to have a
> .forward file that will send mail addressed to [email protected], to
> another address, and mail that is sent to [email protected] to a different
> address (I'll actually have 5 or 6 aliases out there)  Any help would be
> greatly appreciated.

One line with each of the aliases....

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Ed

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>From: Chip Adair <[email protected]>
>Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:59:37 -0600

>I have found a lot of information on the .forward file, but not the one
>specific thing I am looking for.
>What would the format of a .forward file be... to have multiple address'?
>In other words, I own a domain .. ie.. downstairs.com, I want to have a
>.forward file that will send mail addressed to [email protected], to
>another address, and mail that is sent to [email protected] to a different
>address (I'll actually have 5 or 6 aliases out there)

Sigh. This is a sendmail question, not a pine question, but I'll answer anyway.

forward is a special aliases file, but the format is identical. Instead of
redirecting outgoing mail, it redirects your incoming mail. To learn about
aliases, man aliases. From the man page:

    The file . . . is formatted as a series of lines of the form

       name: name_1, name2, name_3, . . .

    The name is the name to alias, and the name_n are the aliases for that
    name.   Lines  beginning  with  white space are continuation lines. Lines
    beginning with `#' are comments.

    After aliasing has been done, local and valid recipients who have a
    ``.forward'' file in their home directory have messages forwarded to the
    list of users defined in that file.

    This is only the raw data file; the actual aliasing information is placed
    into a binary format in the file /etc/aliases.db using the program
    newaliases(1). A newaliases command should be executed each time the
    aliases file is changed for the change to take effect.


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>From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>
>Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:16:31 -0600 (CST)

>>From: Chip Adair <[email protected]>
>>Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:59:37 -0600

>.forward is a special aliases file, but the format is identical. Instead of
>redirecting outgoing mail, it redirects your incoming mail. To learn about
>aliases, man aliases. From the man page:

>     The file . . . is formatted as a series of lines of the form

>        name: name_1, name2, name_3, . . .

>     The name is the name to alias, and the name_n are the aliases for that
>     name.   Lines  beginning  with  white space are continuation lines. Lines
>     beginning with `#' are comments.

I should have clarified that only the comma-delimited list of aliases is needed
in the .forward file. The name to alias is for outgoing aliases.


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To Whom It Conscerns:

Within the last month I asked if you could remove some posts to the Pine
Usenet newsgroup that were archived. You asked "why?", I gave you an
explanation that must have been satisfactory, because you agreed to remove
them the same day. And you did.

However, I or you missed what looks like only one. Here it is.
Would be so kind to get this one too?

http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/96.07/msg00576.html

I found this by doing a simple search of [email protected] on Excite.

Thanks again

Jim Messina (trying to delink the [email protected] address from my name)


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hi all..
i have a question about how can i stop people sending me some e-mail to
my e-mail account ...?
is any  filtering program ...  i'm using pine 3.93



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I'm using Unix Pine to help moderate a newsgroup.  Occasionally, I
come across a message where I need to change the header before
bouncing it to the approval address.  Is there a way for me to edit
the message in my mail spool while in Pine?  I couldn't find it in the
help screen, the manpage, or the online help.

Please Cc me in your replies.  Thanks for your help.
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>>>On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:22:39 PST, "Roberto Jauregui" <[email protected]> said:

RJ> hi all..  i have a question about how can i stop people sending
RJ> me some e-mail to my e-mail account ...?  is any filtering
RJ> program ...  i'm using pine 3.93

Hi,

you can't use pine for the filtering process, procmail is commonly
agreed to do the job, see the man pages (if any), have a look into
procmail's newsgroup.

RJ> Life is Short @ just be you self ...

Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it.
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>From: Chris Meadows <[email protected]>
>Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:38:07 -0600 (CST)

>I'm using Unix Pine to help moderate a newsgroup.  Occasionally, I
>come across a message where I need to change the header before
>bouncing it to the approval address.  Is there a way for me to edit
>the message in my mail spool while in Pine?

No. You could save the message to postponed-msgs. Then, in the composer, you'd
be able to alter any header you had configured in default-composer-headers or
customized-headers. Put in the appropriate To header and send the message on
its merry way. If you must bounce the message instead, postpone the message, go
to the index screen of the postponed-msgs folder, and bounce from there.

Are you sure that there's no way to forward, rather than to bounce, messages to
the news posting address? Then, the headers of the author's message are in the
body of the message you are forwarding, which you can alter at will. The
moderation server will extract the original message from the forwarded message.
That's the usual method.


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Dear Sir:
   I have a question. Would you like to give me an answer.
   I using SGI IRIX unix and I find in /var/mail catalogue has two type
of files. One are .username.pop files  and the other is username
files.Some user have  two kinds of the files ,and some one has only one
kind  of the files.I using  command ps -ef check ,there only one mail
process sendmail .Some one told me that pop is used to receive mail and
sendmail is used to send mail . Is that correct.

Merrychristmas !
     from a Unix green hand.


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> >I'm using Unix Pine to help moderate a newsgroup.  Occasionally, I
> >come across a message where I need to change the header before
> >bouncing it to the approval address.  Is there a way for me to edit
> >the message in my mail spool while in Pine?
Not while in pine.. you can, however, drop to a unix prompt and edit your
mail spool directly (not recommended).  Pico will work, but it will wrap
long lines (I forget what the cutoff length is) which may not be what you
want.  vi will work also, and won't wrap lines.. that is... if you know
how to use it.  I would suggest emacs if you have it on your system..
If you choose to go that route, I strongly suggest you back up your
mail spool first, as you may very well render your mail inoperable, in
which case you can just copy your backup over the fudged spool.

The path to the mail spool on this system is /usr/spool/mail/username
where "username" is the name of the user in question (in your case, ahk ;)

Your mail spool should follow a similar format, although it is probably in
a different place.


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Hi,

I think your system provides POP mail services. Those .pop files are left
after POP connections are disconnected(not gracefully?).

Sendmail is an SMTP MTA. POP and SMTP are different protocols for mail
services.

On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, dgwangg wrote:

> Dear Sir:
>     I have a question. Would you like to give me an answer.
>     I using SGI IRIX unix and I find in /var/mail catalogue has two type
> of files. One are .username.pop files  and the other is username
> files.Some user have  two kinds of the files ,and some one has only one
> kind  of the files.I using  command ps -ef check ,there only one mail
> process sendmail .Some one told me that pop is used to receive mail and
> sendmail is used to send mail . Is that correct.
>
> Merrychristmas !
>       from a Unix green hand.
>
>
>


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Is there a way to make pine send mail in batch mode and have it send
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Thanks Marty Everett

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>From: Noone Special <[email protected]>
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:21:19 -0500 (EST)

>>>I'm using Unix Pine to help moderate a newsgroup.  Occasionally, I
>>>come across a message where I need to change the header before
>>>bouncing it to the approval address.  Is there a way for me to edit
>>>the message in my mail spool while in Pine?

>The path to the mail spool on this system is /usr/spool/mail/username
>where "username" is the name of the user in question (in your case, ahk ;)

Not me. I didn't ask; your reply was to my answer. Check the level of quoting.

btw, pico wraps at 74. If you use the -w switch, line length is limited to 254.
At 255 characters or longer, it throws in a New Line after the 255th character.
(You get a blank line following a line exactly 255 characters long.)


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               [OT]
If you are not interested in the beauty of HTML-coding
               simply delete this mail.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
_>....>>pico <filename>
_>....>This will ruin your HTML.
_>      PICO does HTML
_>and nothing will be broken,

_You kindly deleted my advice
_that by default, pico wraps lines at the
_whitespace to the left of or at the 74th character on a line,
_and that he_should use the -w switch to more easily edit longer lines.
Thank you. Just quoted the above lines to compensate for
last time I left it out for shortness sake.
(Warning: two more pages to come. Take your chance and delete mail now.)
-----------------------------------------------------------------

IMHO there are several objectives
(1)     write an HTML page
(2)     write *beautiful* HTML code
(3)     write HTML code *easily*

------------------ As to issue (1): ------------------
I *just* wanted to confirm and emphasize major issue (1):
PICO _can_ be used to write HTML-pages.

_Now, if you had HTML such as
_<a
_href="http://some.domain/">Web Page
_Name</a>
_could your browser load the page? Yes.
That's what you think as well.

------------------ As to issue (2): ------------------
_Is it ugly code? Yes.
You wanted to make your point on issue (2) as well.
Sorry, I did _not_ want to discuss the beauty of HTML coding
hideen behind a browser's curtain.
(HTML does not mind broken lines etc, cf. below.)

------------------ As to issue (3): ------------------
_...Does it make it ... difficult to
_find encoding mistakes when lines are randomly broken?
_Of course.
_That's why it's better to allow longer lines....
On the other hand, I am not fond of editing lines up to 255 bytes,
nor scroll not only vertically but also horizontally all the way.
If pico is the only available tool, one may prefer an 80 byte page
beyond any beauty criteria. (Or even use CR/LF to break lines
without any effect on the graphic view of an HTML page.)

--------------------- Conclusion ---------------------
I did not want to flame you in any way.
We seem to have different preferences on scrolling.
So, I just wanted assure those new to web editing alright
       pico does HTML
if nothing else is available.

Please, let us end the discussion on the list now,
all points have been (doubly) made,
it's up to any user's personal preferences
to choose a tool

--
hal :-)


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>> "EM" == Everett, Marty <[email protected]> writes:

EM> Is there a way to make pine send mail in batch mode and have it
EM> send files as attachments not text in the email? I tried working
EM> with keystroke-list but have had no luck.

You wouldn't happen to be planning some mass mailing, would you?
Anyway, the answer to your question is no. You can use trusty old
mail or e.g. mutt for that. Don't ask for the addressbook options,
ok?

HTH,
Robin

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The problem is I want my file as a attachment not text in the mail
message. Has anyone ever worked with the MI set of libraries? It seems
that I might be able to write some simple program to do what I want.


Thanks Marty Everett

PS - No mass mailing on the net for me. This is for an internal
(company) project.

       ----------
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       >> "EM" == Everett, Marty <[email protected]> writes:

       EM> Is there a way to make pine send mail in batch mode and have
it
       EM> send files as attachments not text in the email? I tried
working
       EM> with keystroke-list but have had no luck.

       You wouldn't happen to be planning some mass mailing, would you?
       Anyway, the answer to your question is no. You can use trusty
old
       mail or e.g. mutt for that. Don't ask for the addressbook
options,
       ok?

       HTH,
       Robin

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When I hit return after highligting the check mail box, I just go to the
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>> Regarding Pine for unix; "Everett, Marty" <[email protected]> adds:

EM> The problem is I want my file as a attachment not text in the mail
EM> message. Has anyone ever worked with the MI set of libraries? It
EM> seems that I might be able to write some simple program to do what
EM> I want.

Make a list of addresses, name it "list", then read the man page for
mail and do something like:

for i in `cat list`
do uuencode your_file your_file | mail $i
done

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever written... Why not
simply use Spam98? Anyway, you *could* read the above crap with
Netscape. Anyone get a clean solution to that one? I could not get
mutt to do the batch job...

Robin

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[email protected] wrote:
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> When I hit return after highligting the check mail box, I just go to the
> next item on the list.  No boxes open.  Seems like a bug.  I'm using a
> <problem>.  Is this a <Macintosh>?
> -wm

If we just <switch> two words I think we can figure it out.

..I couldn't resist...

Mike......

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>From: Mike Mahaffy <[email protected]>
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:47:02 -0800

>[email protected] wrote:
>>When I hit return after highligting the check mail box, I just go to the
>>next item on the list.  No boxes open.  Seems like a bug.  I'm using a
>><problem>.  Is this a <Macintosh>?

>If we just <switch> two words I think we can figure it out.

I've heard lots of cracks about managing Macs on networks. There are no
protocols at all that work?


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>> Regarding Re: error; "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]> adds:
>> From: Mike Mahaffy Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:47:02 -0800
>>> [email protected] wrote:

>>> I'm using a <problem>.  Is this a <Macintosh>?
>> If we just <switch> two words I think we can figure it out.
AHK> I've heard lots of cracks about managing Macs on networks. There
AHK> are no protocols at all that work?

Sure there are. Just install MKlinux and you're ready to rumble. The OS
crapintoshes are distributed with sucks *big* time. My girlfriend has a
DM 40k Power Mac. Man, you should see that thing with MKlinux... I want
one of those for Xmacs. This is about the fastest computer I've seen for
that money. OTOH, I could be going 150 for the same money... Hmmm...

Xmassy greetings,
Robin

--
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Political Science Dept., Bonn University
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But this is the 1990s and we are on our own

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hi,
when i open up pine i get a this message:
" error closing file" and that there is no disk space left. messages are
still sent but can't be copied to sent mail. what do i do to fix this???

thanks for your help!

grace


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dear sir,
i will be grateful to you if you fix my problem.my question is how can i
delete a messege ,sent to me, using pine command.give full discription of
the command.
thanks




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>From: Khurram Mirza <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:12:49 +0500 (PKT)

>i will be grateful to you if you fix my problem.my question is how can i
>delete a messege ,sent to me, using pine command.give full discription of
>the command.

"d"

It works from the index screen, or while reading the message. The messages are
expunged when you close the folder. Except, messages from the inbox are
expunged upon quitting your pine session. While in the index screen, you can
use "x" to expunge deleted messages immediately.

Please look at the bottom of your screen for a list of available commands.


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Make more disk space--either delete files you don't need or get more
(install a new hard drive, beg your local sysadmin for more space, etc
depeding on circumstances)

Vinnie

On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Grace Kar Man Chan wrote:

> hi,
> when i open up pine i get a this message:
>  " error closing file" and that there is no disk space left. messages are
> still sent but can't be copied to sent mail. what do i do to fix this???
>
> thanks for your help!
>
> grace
>
>
>


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Please send me info on this topic

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> Subject: resposible for slavery
>
> Please send me info on this topic

Slaves are responsible for slavery.. without slaves, there would be no
slavery.

Now try sending your question to an appropriate forum.

Pat


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How do we open this type of file with an Aptiva operating with windows
95 and using the Netscape 3.0 mail server.
Thank you for any help.
NLB

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Um..slavery in regard to pine??

Could you re-state the question?

On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, Malavace wrote:

> Please send me info on this topic
>
>


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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote:
>
> > Any ideas on how I can filter? Am I just confused about procmail needing
> > access to a local delivery agent?
>
> You do have a problem if your inbox is on a machine for which you have no
> login account.

I do have root access now, though..I'm just not sure that it would amuse
anyone if I played with it...(breaking mail servers is *not* a good idea
:) )

> However, all is not lost.  The way procmail works is by piping the
> incoming mails to procmail as STDIN via the .forward file.
>
> You can do the following:
>
> 1.    Get procmail on the system where you run pine and do have the
> login account.
>
> 2.    Setup your .procmailrc
>
> 3.    When in pine you can use the following sequence
>
>       ; a a | procmail
>
>       This means, "select", "all", "apply", "pipe to procmail".
>
> You are done.  You just have to remember to clean out your inbox so the
> next time you perform "3" you don't get multiple copies.
>


The only problem I've found with this is that pine seems to only pipe
through part of the header...messages come out as from me, to me. (it does
sort correctly by subject, though) -- any ideas on this?

It does give me some interesting ideas, though. (using pop [I don't like
this because it's insecure--clear text passwords = bad thing]--bouncing
mail to the local machine [and then using a .forward there] I haven't
tried this yet [this is my work machine, and I actually find myself doing
a lot of work on it.. :) no time lately, especially since most of the
department is out on vacation] forwarding mail from the server to the
local machine [I think I could do this without breaking anything])y

I also couldn't get select all to work, it doesn't recognize ';' as a
command --I looked through Setup-configure and tried help files and
couldn't find info on it. Can I ask what version of pine you're using that
lets you do that? Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?


If I find a fix for this one, I'll post it


Thanks for the help


drachen




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I am an owner of a small order taking business as of Jan 1st I will be
starting a mail out business need more information on your program. Please
send all the information
you have.

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I must be missing something simple, but I am too dense to see it!

I copied down the new Pine Binary for 3.96 (1 file).  I moved it to
/usr/bin. and also ran it from my own directory.

When Pine is run (./newpine - my renamed binary file) the following message
appears:

bash: ./newpine: No such file or directory

HELP!!!!

What am I missing?

I am running Linux 1.2.5 on a 486/66.


John Powell
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A. it's compiled, right? Not source code? (ls -F, if it doesn't show as
executeable..well, I cat it, but if it's binary it will mess up your
prompt big time :)  )

B. you have the permissions set--including (especially) execute? (ls -al)

C. you're in the correct directory, and the binary is in that directory?
(pwd and ls)

If so, I'm as stumped as you :)

drachen

On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, John Powell wrote:

> I must be missing something simple, but I am too dense to see it!
>
> I copied down the new Pine Binary for 3.96 (1 file).  I moved it to
> /usr/bin. and also ran it from my own directory.
>
> When Pine is run (./newpine - my renamed binary file) the following message
> appears:
>
> bash: ./newpine: No such file or directory
>
> HELP!!!!
>
> What am I missing?
>
> I am running Linux 1.2.5 on a 486/66.
>
>
> John Powell
> Sysadmin, IEEE South Saskatchewan Section
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>


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> "T" == TOrtiz3561  <[email protected]> writes:

T> I am an owner of a small order taking business as of Jan 1st I will
T> be starting a mail out business need more information on your
T> program. Please send all the information you have.

Sure...

1. You've just p*****d off a couple of hundred people by your UCE.
2. Hopefully, many of these people will be sending complaints to your
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3. Some other people will decide to send you a belated X-macs
  gift. Hope you like source-code...

BTW, couldn't aol-luser just be banned from the list? I haven't seen
anything remotely resembling intelligence from any of them on this
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> "JP" == John Powell <[email protected]> writes:

JP> I copied down the new Pine Binary for 3.96 (1 file).  I moved it
JP> to /usr/bin. and also ran it from my own directory.  When Pine is
JP> run (./newpine - my renamed binary file) the following message
JP> appears: bash: ./newpine: No such file or directory

Did you (or link) it to ~/ ? Is it executable for you?

Cheers,
Robin

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Thanx for you responses.

To answer your queries:

I have the permissions set for r-x. I was running the file by ./newpine
when in the directory newpine resided when I got the 'file not found'
message which is so much perplexing.  I do not have a sticky bit that I
know of (at least the current PINE is only rwxr-xr-x.

I assume that the binary is compiled correctly as I got it from
washington as the Linux binary.  I am running Linux 1.2.5.

It is not linked as I do not want to foul up other users until it is stable.

I DO NOT understand how it can not find the file, it would make since if
it said could not execute, but the file IS there!

Any other suggestion please pass them down.

Thanx All!

John

On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, SandraB wrote:

> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:49:13 -0500
> From: SandraB <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Installing Pine
>
> On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote:
>
> > B. you have the permissions set--including (especially) execute? (ls -al)
>
> John, on that note:
>
> On our AIX system, we have the "sticky bit" set so our permissions look like:
>       pine    rwxr-sr-x
>
> > C. you're in the correct directory, and the binary is in that directory?
> > (pwd and ls)
>
> Along that line:
> I'm not sure what you mean by "I ran it from my own directory".  You mean your
> "home" directory?  Is that where you installed it originally?
>
> If newpine now resides in /usr/bin, do you have the #PATH statement set in
> your home .profile?
>       For example: #PATH=/usr/bin
>
> And also as Robin suggested, check that it is linked. Ours has two links,
> /usr/bin and /bin.
>
> Hope some of this helps.
>
> Sandra
> ************************************************************************
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>
>
> > On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, John Powell wrote:
>
> > > I copied down the new Pine Binary for 3.96 (1 file).  I moved it to
> > > /usr/bin. and also ran it from my own directory.
> > >
> > > When Pine is run (./newpine - my renamed binary file) the following message
> > > appears:
> > >
> > > bash: ./newpine: No such file or directory
> > >
> > > HELP!!!!
> > >
> > > What am I missing?
> > >
> > > I am running Linux 1.2.5 on a 486/66.
> > >
> > >
> > > John Powell
> > > Sysadmin, IEEE South Saskatchewan Section
> > > [email protected]
> > >
>
>


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> Regarding Re: Installing Pine; John Powell  adds:

JP> I have the permissions set for r-x. I was running the file by
JP> ./newpine when in the directory newpine resided when I got the
JP> 'file not found' message which is so much perplexing.  I do not
JP> have a sticky bit that I know of (at least the current PINE is
JP> only rwxr-xr-x.

ll `which pine`:
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root  root   1171144 Nov 14 17:18 /usr/bin/pine

Looks ok.

JP> I assume that the binary is compiled correctly as I got it from
JP> washington as the Linux binary.

Same here, but self compiled (what else }:->).

JP> I am running Linux 1.2.5.

*meeeeeeeeeeeep* Time to update...

JP> It is not linked as I do not want to foul up other users until it
JP> is stable.

Hm?

JP> I DO NOT understand how it can not find the file, it would make
JP> since if it said could not execute, but the file IS there!

I just tried what you suggested and it works. There must be something
really, really wrong with your setup. Let me sum this up: you (user)
can execute /usr/bin/pine, right? You (user) have copied the file to
~/. Then you cd'ed and ~/pine'd, right? Gotta work...

JP> Any other suggestion please pass them down.

Reboot. Oooops, this is not Windos, sorry...

Cheers,
Robin

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The old version of PINE works no matter where I have the binary sitting,
it is only the 'new' version of pine that keeps on saying file not found!!!

How can it say file not found when the file is there?

Other responses to questions are interspaced below.

Thanx,

John

On 27 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> Date: 27 Dec 1997 16:39:10 +0100
> From: Robin S. Socha <[email protected]>
> To: John Powell <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Installing Pine
>
> > Regarding Re: Installing Pine; John Powell  adds:
>
> JP> I have the permissions set for r-x. I was running the file by
> JP> ./newpine when in the directory newpine resided when I got the
> JP> 'file not found' message which is so much perplexing.  I do not
> JP> have a sticky bit that I know of (at least the current PINE is
> JP> only rwxr-xr-x.
>
> ll `which pine`:
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root  root   1171144 Nov 14 17:18 /usr/bin/pine
>
> Looks ok.
>
> JP> I assume that the binary is compiled correctly as I got it from
> JP> washington as the Linux binary.
>
> Same here, but self compiled (what else }:->).
>
> JP> I am running Linux 1.2.5.
>
> *meeeeeeeeeeeep* Time to update...
>

Any suggestions for how to do this?  This is definitely a New Frontier!

> JP> It is not linked as I do not want to foul up other users until it
> JP> is stable.
>
> Hm?
>
> JP> I DO NOT understand how it can not find the file, it would make
> JP> since if it said could not execute, but the file IS there!
>
> I just tried what you suggested and it works. There must be something
> really, really wrong with your setup. Let me sum this up: you (user)
> can execute /usr/bin/pine, right? You (user) have copied the file to
> ~/. Then you cd'ed and ~/pine'd, right? Gotta work...

The version I am having trouble with is the new PINE, the old
version runs from anywhere on my server (ie copied it here, there,
everywhere, it works!)  Last time I upgraded pine, it was a snap!!!!  All
I did was copy the binary to  /usr/bin and it worked.  Maybe it is a
Linux Version Problem, I dunno!

>
> JP> Any other suggestion please pass them down.
>
> Reboot. Oooops, this is not Windos, sorry...
>
> Cheers,
> Robin
>
> --
> Robin S. Socha M.A.
> Political Science Dept., Bonn University
> Robin: You are a rude twit. (Sam Trenholme)
>


John Powell
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> "JP" == John Powell <[email protected]> writes:

JP> The old version of PINE works no matter where I have the binary
JP> sitting, it is only the 'new' version of pine that keeps on saying
JP> file not found!!!  How can it say file not found when the file is
JP> there?

rm -rf `locate pine`, then re-install.

JP> On 27 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:
> JP> I am running Linux 1.2.5.
> *meeeeeeeeeeeep* Time to update...
JP> Any suggestions for how to do this?  This is definitely a New
JP> Frontier!

Oh dear... Ummmmm... what distrib are you running? You can suck distribs
over the net or (SuSE and RH at least) update via NFS.  You can get RH5
from Cheapbytes at $1.99 or something. S.u.S.E. should be like $40 with
book. If you just want to update the kernel (you are probably running
some medieval Lackware distrib and should update the entire system) cd
/usr/src/linux, ftp 2.0.33 from ftp.kernel.org, patch -p0 < patchfile,
make menuconfig, make dep clean zImage modules modules_install; follow
the instructions in /usr/src/linux/README, done. Should be like 10
minutes on a LaME MacHIne...

Speaking of frontiers, btw, check "Bright Frontier" by Heather Nova,
that should get you in the right mood. Got a rope somewhere?

[correct pine being execed]
JP> The version I am having trouble with is the new PINE, the old
JP> version runs from anywhere on my server. Last time I upgraded
JP> pine, it was a snap!!!!  All I did was copy the binary to /usr/bin
JP> and it worked.  Maybe it is a Linux Version Problem, I dunno!

Stop whining, you're a blatant disgrace to the entire admindom }:->
Grab the pine sources, recompile, install. See to it that you rm
the old stuff first. Hell, if all else fails, gimme an ssh to your
system. I'll fix that stuff for you, then... Heheheeee... [1]

Keep us updated, this is starting to get seriously funny here,
Robin

Footnotes:
[1]  alias pine='mutt' or alias pine='xemacs -nw -f gnus' should do
    the trick...

--
Robin S. Socha M.A. (*PLONK*ed by Jost Boekemeier)
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
 Masochist: Windows programmer with a smile!

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Well, I did download the source code and did a build.  It works as shown
by this message.

I guess there is something wrong with linux binary at washington.

Thanx all!

-John


On 27 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> Date: 27 Dec 1997 17:47:37 +0100
> From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]>
> To: John Powell <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Installing Pine
>
> > "JP" == John Powell <[email protected]> writes:
>
> JP> The old version of PINE works no matter where I have the binary
> JP> sitting, it is only the 'new' version of pine that keeps on saying
> JP> file not found!!!  How can it say file not found when the file is
> JP> there?
>
> rm -rf `locate pine`, then re-install.
>
> JP> On 27 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:
> > JP> I am running Linux 1.2.5.
> > *meeeeeeeeeeeep* Time to update...
> JP> Any suggestions for how to do this?  This is definitely a New
> JP> Frontier!
>
> Oh dear... Ummmmm... what distrib are you running? You can suck distribs
> over the net or (SuSE and RH at least) update via NFS.  You can get RH5
> from Cheapbytes at $1.99 or something. S.u.S.E. should be like $40 with
> book. If you just want to update the kernel (you are probably running
> some medieval Lackware distrib and should update the entire system) cd
> /usr/src/linux, ftp 2.0.33 from ftp.kernel.org, patch -p0 < patchfile,
> make menuconfig, make dep clean zImage modules modules_install; follow
> the instructions in /usr/src/linux/README, done. Should be like 10
> minutes on a LaME MacHIne...
>
> Speaking of frontiers, btw, check "Bright Frontier" by Heather Nova,
> that should get you in the right mood. Got a rope somewhere?
>
> [correct pine being execed]
> JP> The version I am having trouble with is the new PINE, the old
> JP> version runs from anywhere on my server. Last time I upgraded
> JP> pine, it was a snap!!!!  All I did was copy the binary to /usr/bin
> JP> and it worked.  Maybe it is a Linux Version Problem, I dunno!
>
> Stop whining, you're a blatant disgrace to the entire admindom }:->
> Grab the pine sources, recompile, install. See to it that you rm
> the old stuff first. Hell, if all else fails, gimme an ssh to your
> system. I'll fix that stuff for you, then... Heheheeee... [1]
>
> Keep us updated, this is starting to get seriously funny here,
> Robin
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  alias pine='mutt' or alias pine='xemacs -nw -f gnus' should do
>      the trick...
>
> --
> Robin S. Socha M.A. (*PLONK*ed by Jost Boekemeier)
> Political Science Dept., Bonn University
>   Masochist: Windows programmer with a smile!
>


John Powell
Sysadmin, IEEE South Saskatchewan Section
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Hi,   I would really appreciate it if someone could be generous enough to tell
me how to e-mail someone without sending in your real username. I know
this is possible because yesterday I had received an anonymous e-mail
message, the senders address was "[email protected]".Thank You.

                                               Mike [email protected]

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> Regarding Re: Installing Pine; John Powell adds:

JP> Well, I did download the source code and did a build.  It works as
JP> shown by this message.  I guess there is something wrong with
JP> linux binary at washington.

I guess there's something wrong with your system. Anyway, all's
well...

Emmm... you really don't need to quote entire messages, you know };->

Cheers,
Robin

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Could you please send me some information on how to recieve free cash
grants.


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> "T" == THISISITT  <[email protected]> writes:

[e-mail someone without sending in your real username]

Forget it, idiot.

Robin

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> "PC" == Phoebe Covington <[email protected]> writes:

PC> Could you please send me some information on how to recieve free
PC> cash grants.

Sure. All you need is a 45 Magnum, a pair of fishnet stockings,
preferably pink, and a bank.

Hope that helps

P.S.
Your x-header is broken. That shouldn't be "X-MSMail-Priority: Normal",
but "X-SMMail-Attribution: Abnormal"

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Maybe his humor DLL file got corrupted...
Or maybe... general humor fault? hmmmm (Kenneth R. Kinder)

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Hehe, I love this list, keep up the smiles Robin :)

On 27 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

>> "T" == TOrtiz3561  <[email protected]> writes:
>
>T> I am an owner of a small order taking business as of Jan 1st I will
>T> be starting a mail out business need more information on your
>T> program. Please send all the information you have.
>
>Sure...
>
>1. You've just p*****d off a couple of hundred people by your UCE.
>2. Hopefully, many of these people will be sending complaints to your
>   so-called "provider".
>3. Some other people will decide to send you a belated X-macs
>   gift. Hope you like source-code...
>
>BTW, couldn't aol-luser just be banned from the list? I haven't seen
>anything remotely resembling intelligence from any of them on this
>list so far.
>
>Robin
>
>--
>Robin S. Socha M.A. (*PLONK*ed by Jost Boekemeier)
>Political Science Dept., Bonn University
>  Masochist: Windows programmer with a smile!
>


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dear vinnie,

thanks for replying!

the funny thing is, a few weeks ago i deleted all my old files so there
should be lots of space. i still keep on getting the "error closing file
message" and "failed message append". usyd aren't sure what happened.

is this something i can fix?

grace

On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote:

>
> Make more disk space--either delete files you don't need or get more
> (install a new hard drive, beg your local sysadmin for more space, etc
> depeding on circumstances)
>
> Vinnie
>
> On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Grace Kar Man Chan wrote:
>
> > hi,
> > when i open up pine i get a this message:
> >  " error closing file" and that there is no disk space left. messages are
> > still sent but can't be copied to sent mail. what do i do to fix this???
> >
> > thanks for your help!
> >
> > grace
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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I'm a UW student trying to access my dante account from a computer at
the Univ. of Utah.  I tried using telnet and entering u.washington.edu
as the host, but it wouldn't work.  What should I do?
Thanks.
Ben Stricks

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Dear sir,

       I haven't been able to send any messages through my e-mail account
these days, and I cannot retrieve my address book either. I once solved
the same problems by typing 'purg' after the $ sign two months ago.
But it doesn't work this time.
       My university won't be in session until January 20. So there's no
local support staff I can go to for help for the problems. I badly
need your help.
       I'm sending you this message from my friend's account. My e-mail
address is: [email protected]
       Thank you very much in advance.

                               Min Zou


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DEAR SIRS,

COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE NAME OF THE WORLD FAMOUS BRAZILIAN FORMULA
1 RACING DRIVER WHO WAS KILLED IN A CAR CRASH A FEW YEARS AGO.

KIND REGARDS

SHIBU VARKEY
P.O.BOX 41124, ABU DHABI
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Hello there,

I am trying to use PC-Pine 3.96 to access mail which are stored on a
Microsoft Exchange server 5.5.1960.3. Sadly, the last fifty odd characters
of every mail message vanishes into thin air. Everything is fine if I use
Microsoft Exchange. Should appreaciate if someone can point me in the
right direction and save me from the clutches of Microsoft :).

I do not subscribe to the mailing list so please reply directly. Many
thanks in advance.

Regards,
Woei Wan

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> It does give me some interesting ideas, though. (using pop [I don't like
> this because it's insecure--clear text passwords = bad thing]--bouncing

Question:
What makes you think POP is any less secure than say... telnet?  or FTP?
A clear-text password is the same no matter where you send it..

Pat



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On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Hanscomb Consultants Inc. wrote:

> COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE NAME OF THE WORLD FAMOUS BRAZILIAN FORMULA
> 1 RACING DRIVER WHO WAS KILLED IN A CAR CRASH A FEW YEARS AGO.

After having tooo many glasses of red wine....I can honestly say....
what the f**k does that have to do with "pine"????

I think the fellow's name was "Sena" but I wouldn't swear to it.  But, who
give a sh*t!

Worse than all of that I say....Robin....Save Me!!!

Ed

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> From: Kathy Briar-Lawson <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: remote access to dante
>
> I'm a UW student trying to access my dante account from a computer at
> the Univ. of Utah.  I tried using telnet and entering u.washington.edu
> as the host, but it wouldn't work.  What should I do?
> Thanks.
> Ben Stricks

You might try asking the support staff at the U of Washington.
Try perhaps [email protected] (assuming dante is a machine at U of
Washington) or maybe [email protected] or if all else fails,
[email protected] (root would more than likely forward the mail
to whoever needs it, although you should only use it as a last resort, as
root is not the postal service ;)

Pat



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>>>On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:35:16 +0800 (GMT), Edward M Greshko <[email protected]> said:

EMG> On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Hanscomb Consultants Inc. wrote:
>> COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE NAME OF THE WORLD FAMOUS BRAZILIAN
>> FORMULA 1 RACING DRIVER WHO WAS KILLED IN A CAR CRASH A FEW YEARS
>> AGO.

Hi Ed,

EMG> After having tooo many glasses of red wine

splendid idea!

EMG> ....I can honestly say....  what the f**k does that have to do
EMG> with "pine"????

Good point ... hmm

(cond ((string-match "formula 1" "pine") answer)
     (t 'rant))

EMG> I think the fellow's name was "Sena" but I wouldn't swear to it.
EMG> But, who give a sh*t!

I s'pose it's written with double n - but this is not going to restore
him, hehe. Maybe, he'd also had too much glasses of wine :-)

EMG> Worse than all of that I say....Robin....Save Me!!!

C'mon, your answer is absolutely correct and well formulated :-)

EMG> Ed

cheers, norbert.

And, please, someone has to tell the guy how to keep his thick
fingers off the SHIFT KEYS while writing stupid queries.

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Norbert Koch
a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!

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> "NK" == Norbert Koch <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Edward M Greshko <[email protected]> said:
EMG> On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Hanscomb Consultants Inc. wrote:
>>> COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE NAME OF THE WORLD FAMOUS BRAZILIAN
>>> FORMULA 1 RACING DRIVER WHO WAS KILLED IN A CAR CRASH A FEW YEARS
>>> AGO.

EMG> After having tooo many glasses of red wine
NK> splendid idea!

*ick* Beer or burst.

EMG> ....I can honestly say....  what the f**k does that have to do
EMG> with "pine"????
NK> Good point ... hmm
NK> (cond ((string-match "formula 1" "pine") answer) (t 'rant))

}:->

EMG> I think the fellow's name was "Sena" but I wouldn't swear to it.
EMG> But, who give a sh*t!
NK> I s'pose it's written with double n - but this is not going to
NK> restore him, hehe. Maybe, he'd also had too much glasses of
NK> wine :-)

Ayrton Senna, wasn't it? But, yeah, who cares... I'd like to have the
number of that number-wielding chick in pink, please. TIA.

EMG> Worse than all of that I say....Robin....Save Me!!!

ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod... Could someone please help that man?
He's obviously highly suicidal...

NK> And, please, someone has to tell the guy how to keep his thick
NK> fingers off the SHIFT KEYS while writing stupid queries.

While we're at it... COULD YOU FIX YOUR X-ATTRIBUTION??? "nobbi" is
just plain silly...

Robin

--
Robin S. Socha
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
Heh.  How about this one: "make UNIX usable for normal people".
Nobody has done that before.  Linus

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On 29 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> *ick* Beer or burst.

Nah, beer and *I* burst!!

> EMG> Worse than all of that I say....Robin....Save Me!!!
>
> ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod... Could someone please help that man?
> He's obviously highly suicidal...

Ohh....I've recovered, some what, and have backed away from the edge.  No
need to have St. Robin (sharp of tounge) save me from satirical sayings.


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On 29 Dec 1997, Norbert Koch wrote:

>  EMG> After having tooo many glasses of red wine
>
> splendid idea!

I thought so too....at the time.   :-)

> I s'pose it's written with double n - but this is not going to restore
> him, hehe. Maybe, he'd also had too much glasses of wine :-)

Nobody told him "race cars + walls don't mix".

Happy New Year!

(Its great living in Asia....we (I) celebrate "Western New Year" and
"Lunar New Year"....  :-) :-) )


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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Chris Nolan wrote:

> I am getting the message "Your terminal, 4313, is lacking functions needed
> to run pine".  Now back in June of 96 I solved this at another site, but
> can't find my docs on how I did it.  So far I've added
>
>  :se=\Eg0:so=\Eg8:\
>  :MC=\Eg4:MD=\Eg0:ME=\Eg2:MF=\Eg0:
>
> to the termcap but I'm still getting the message.  What else do I have to
> do?  Do I have to play with terminfo?

That completely depends on the version of Pine and the flavor of UNIX you
are running.

Your message ID indicates that you are using Pine 3.95 for SCO UNIX. If
this is the same configuration you are using to test your 4313 terminals
then you indeed need to play with terminfo. Starting from Pine 3.92, the
SCO version is using terminfo (as these are usually more up to date).

Required terminfo capabilities for Pine:

MoveTo       : "cup"
ClearToEoln  : "el"
SetInverse   : "smso"
ClearInverse : "rmso"

Or, in 4313 specifics:

  cup=\E=%p1%'\s'%+%c%p2%'\s'%+%c
  el=\ET\Eg0
  smso=\EgC
  rmso=\Eg0

For optimal DT43xx support, consider recompiling Pine with the option
-DTERMDEF_WINS appended to the line STDCFLAGS= in pine/makefile.sco and
pico/makefile.sco.  A number of the keys on the MAI terminals return
sequences that start with Ctrl-A, which will be ignored if this option is
not enabled.  Make sure the terminfo files for ALL your terminals are in
good condition when enabling this option :-)

> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

How about me sending you an "official" 4313 terminfo entry?
Drop me a message when you're interested.

Regards,

- Richard Gering
 Triple-P Computer Industries (used to be called MAI Computer Industries...)

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Hello !!!


Maybe Ayrton Senna???? ;>>>>
Just kidding...it is he!!!


                                                               Bye.

P.S.: What has this to do with PINE?!

On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Hanscomb Consultants Inc. wrote:

> DEAR SIRS,
>
> COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE NAME OF THE WORLD FAMOUS BRAZILIAN FORMULA
> 1 RACING DRIVER WHO WAS KILLED IN A CAR CRASH A FEW YEARS AGO.
>
> KIND REGARDS
>
> SHIBU VARKEY
> P.O.BOX 41124, ABU DHABI
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>

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Is this on your personal machine, or on one you access remotely/someone
else's machine--if the latter, you may want to ask them.

If it's on your personal machine, then check how much space you actually
have.

If it's not space, you may want to check permissions--though why it would
be giving space errors is beyond me.

beyond that, I'm lost too :P

On Sun, 28 Dec 1997, Grace Kar Man Chan wrote:

> dear vinnie,
>
> thanks for replying!
>
> the funny thing is, a few weeks ago i deleted all my old files so there
> should be lots of space. i still keep on getting the "error closing file
> message" and "failed message append". usyd aren't sure what happened.
>
> is this something i can fix?
>
> grace
>
> On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote:
>
> >
> > Make more disk space--either delete files you don't need or get more
> > (install a new hard drive, beg your local sysadmin for more space, etc
> > depeding on circumstances)
> >
> > Vinnie
> >
> > On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Grace Kar Man Chan wrote:
> >
> > > hi,
> > > when i open up pine i get a this message:
> > >  " error closing file" and that there is no disk space left. messages are
> > > still sent but can't be copied to sent mail. what do i do to fix this???
> > >
> > > thanks for your help!
> > >
> > > grace
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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neither telnet nor ftp is secure either..

if you really care, I don't actually telnet into the machine I check my
mail on--I ssh in...

:)

packet sniffers are only your friend when you're using them

drachen

On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Noone Special wrote:

> > It does give me some interesting ideas, though. (using pop [I don't like
> > this because it's insecure--clear text passwords = bad thing]--bouncing
>
> Question:
> What makes you think POP is any less secure than say... telnet?  or FTP?
> A clear-text password is the same no matter where you send it..
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>


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On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Richard Gering wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Chris Nolan wrote:
>
> > I am getting the message "Your terminal, 4313, is lacking functions needed
> > to run pine".  Now back in June of 96 I solved this at another site, but
> > can't find my docs on how I did it.  So far I've added
> >
> >  :se=\Eg0:so=\Eg8:\
> >  :MC=\Eg4:MD=\Eg0:ME=\Eg2:MF=\Eg0:
> >
> > to the termcap but I'm still getting the message.  What else do I have to
> > do?  Do I have to play with terminfo?
>
> That completely depends on the version of Pine and the flavor of UNIX you
> are running.
>
> Your message ID indicates that you are using Pine 3.95 for SCO UNIX. If
> this is the same configuration you are using to test your 4313 terminals
> then you indeed need to play with terminfo. Starting from Pine 3.92, the
> SCO version is using terminfo (as these are usually more up to date).

Actually the site that is having the problems is running DG/UX 4.11 (I
believe that's the right rev).  The version of pine that somebody else
compiled for me is 3.96, but it is having some other problems re: crashing
when doing a Reply so I've sent over a copy of 3.93 but having had a
change to do anything with it.

>
> Required terminfo capabilities for Pine:
>
> MoveTo       : "cup"
> ClearToEoln  : "el"
> SetInverse   : "smso"
> ClearInverse : "rmso"
>
> Or, in 4313 specifics:
>
>    cup=\E=%p1%'\s'%+%c%p2%'\s'%+%c
>    el=\ET\Eg0
>    smso=\EgC
>    rmso=\Eg0
>
> For optimal DT43xx support, consider recompiling Pine with the option
> -DTERMDEF_WINS appended to the line STDCFLAGS= in pine/makefile.sco and
> pico/makefile.sco.  A number of the keys on the MAI terminals return
> sequences that start with Ctrl-A, which will be ignored if this option is
> not enabled.  Make sure the terminfo files for ALL your terminals are in
> good condition when enabling this option :-)
>
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> How about me sending you an "official" 4313 terminfo entry?
> Drop me a message when you're interested.

This is great infomation, I appreciate you taking the time to do this.  It
would be great if you could send over the "official" terminfo entry.  If
they differ between SCO and DG, can you send both because I do run both
systems at different clients.

Goodday,

>
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hi,
I am using pine for sending mails . But ia am unable to send attachments.
Can you help me. Please let me know the procedure step by step. I am using
Windows 95 and hyper terminal dialup connection.


SubhaShini S



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Hello,

Is anyone aware of the possible limitations on the size of the folders in
pine (I am not referring to hard disk quota etc)? Namely, I noticed that
messages are occasionally deleted from the saved-messages folder,
especially after I save large files. For example, the last time it
happened, the size of the sent-mail folder was approx. 4427078 and number
of files was over 2000.

Thanks,

Aleksandar Jeremic

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BM=86J

Can you tell me how to change my name from my married (now divorced)
last name back to my maiden name?

Roni Hallberg
800-241-3470 X5648

or [email protected]

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> Roni Hallberg <[email protected]> writes:

> Can you tell me how to change my name from my married (now divorced)
> last name back to my maiden name?

Dear Roni,

could you please tell us where you got this address from? I think that
one person in this world has *some*thing to answer for... This is a
mailing list dedicated to the relentless pursuit of knowledge about an
email program.

Thanks in advance,
Robin

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Everyone else is just along for the ride. (Eugene O'Neil)

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I got an email  with attachments, but I couldn't read it. Since I don't
understand OCTET-STREAM.

Could you please give me help to read my email.
Many thanks,
Medina

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Does pine give the capability of "return receipt requested"  in the
instance of time sensitive material hopefully viewed by receiver before
deadlines?

I have a "dining" mail box next to my inbox which requires a password to
access, the new administrator does not know how to  & I have not found
anywhere in pine configuration that allow me to delete this folder.  Is
there a way to delete?



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On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Medina Ablikim wrote:

> I got an email  with attachments, but I couldn't read it. Since I don't
> understand OCTET-STREAM.
>
> Could you please give me help to read my email.

When an attachment is sent and the UA is unable/unwilling to give it the
proper MIME type/subtype it will get tagged as default
application/octet-stream.

Generally, the file name will give it away as to what application is
needed to open the file.  This is, of course, if the application is a
PC based application.  .doc files are MS-Word, .xls files are eXcel, etc.

If you can't determine from the file name...it may have gotten munged...
then you will have to as the sender what application was used to generate
the file.

Regards,
Ed

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hi have some question about pine .......
okay  my question is .. what append went some one is send you e-mails to
you account . and you haven seen those e-mails for a month ....  the
pine   delate those e-mails .. or is  any way to save in a file ....  ..
thanks in advance ......



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On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Aleksandar Jeremic wrote:

> Is anyone aware of the possible limitations on the size of the folders in
> pine (I am not referring to hard disk quota etc)? Namely, I noticed that
> messages are occasionally deleted from the saved-messages folder,
> especially after I save large files. For example, the last time it
> happened, the size of the sent-mail folder was approx. 4427078 and number
> of files was over 2000.

Pine doesn't enforce any limits on folder size.  It certainly wouldn't
enforce it by arbitrarily deleting old messages.  However, I have
heard from system administrators who were at least investigating
external programs that would periodically scan folders for old
messages and prune them.  I think if a sysadmin did that to me I would
start searching my addressbook for someone named "Guido", but ...

Check with your local support group for further clues...


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> "RJ" == Roberto Jauregui <[email protected]> writes:

RJ> what append went some one is send you e-mails to you account and
RJ> you haven seen those e-mails for a month the pine delate those
RJ> e-mails .. or is any way to save in a file

They are saved. FAQ:
<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/user.guide/node142.html>
       You can suppress the monthly ``sent mail'' pruning prompts by
       setting the ``last-time-prune-questioned='' variable in your
       .pinerc to a date far in the future, e.g. ``99.9'' You will
       need to do this by manually editing your .pinerc; you cannot
       change this value from the Setup/Config screen.

Robin

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> Regarding Re: Lost messages in sent-mal folder (unix) (3.95); David
> L Miller <[email protected]> adds:

DLM> However, I have heard from system administrators who were at
DLM> least investigating external programs that would periodically
DLM> scan folders for old messages and prune them.  I think if a
DLM> sysadmin did that to me I would start searching my addressbook
DLM> for someone named "Guido", but ...
                       ^^^^^
Could you elaborate on that, please?

TIA,
Robin

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> "SM" == Suzanne MacKay <[email protected]> writes:

SM> Does pine give the capability of "return receipt requested" in the
SM> instance of time sensitive material hopefully viewed by receiver
SM> before deadlines?

*yawn* FAQ:
<http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/user.guide/node90.html>
Can I get a ``return-receipt'' when sending a message with Pine?

SM> I have a "dining" mail box next to my inbox which requires a
SM> password to access, the new administrator does not know how to &
SM> I have not found anywhere in pine configuration that allow me to
SM> delete this folder.  Is there a way to delete?

Two wishes at the same time? KeWL... Ok, if "password to access"
means "encrypted", that's it. If "password to access" means "not
read/writable", have the admin do a "chmod u+rw" on the file. I he
doesn't know what that means, have him fired. Anyway, he can always
rm the file. What tree did that guy fall down from?

Robin
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I checked the archives and didn't see anything listed regarding this
odd problem I'm having with Pine 3.95 under Solaris 2.5.1.

When even a teeny file is saved to a folder, Pine reports "Busy" for about
30 seconds before it comes back. This is reproduceable only on one machine
using different user accounts and different X servers. Using vmstat,
truss, snoop, traceroute, etc. I am confident that it's not a memory
problem, not specific to one type of pine configuration file, not the NFS
or Mail server being slow, or network latency and not a weird imap
handshake gone awry. In fact, it appears that Pine is writing the saved
file immediately, then is waiting for god-knows-what for 30 seconds
before it comes back to this world.

I know it's something system-specific, and the odd thing about this
machine which is showing this problem is that it has cachefs turned on
(actually, it's not even used for the /home directory where the mail
is being saved). So, to eliminate cachefs from the equation, I turned
it off for this desktop. Lo and behold, the problem stopped happening
and Pine was able to save files speedily.

(Of course, the reboot could have also fixed the problem; temporarily
or permanently.)

Any guesses or experiences with this strange behavior?

-Caroline

Unix Sys Admin
The MathWorks, Inc.


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Have received an E-mail message with unwrapped lines that I
       wish to print.  I have instructed my E-mail to "Wrap long
       lines" & it has done so for ease of reading; but even when
       I change my printing setup to "landscape" instead of "portrait"
       I cannot print the message in its entirity.  How do I solve
       this problem?  My printer is an inkjet and my system is a PC
       with Windows 3.1.

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On 30 Dec 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> DLM> sysadmin did that to me I would start searching my addressbook
> DLM> for someone named "Guido", but ...
>                       ^^^^^
> Could you elaborate on that, please?

"Guido" = Hit man from the Italian Mafia.

In Japanese that would translate to:

"Ohta-san" = Yakuza Hit Man.

Regards,
Ed

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On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, sharon warren wrote:

> Have received an E-mail message with unwrapped lines that I
>       wish to print.  I have instructed my E-mail to "Wrap long
>       lines" & it has done so for ease of reading; but even when
>       I change my printing setup to "landscape" instead of "portrait"
>       I cannot print the message in its entirity.  How do I solve
>       this problem?  My printer is an inkjet and my system is a PC
>       with Windows 3.1.
>

Maybe you want to try a different font.

One thing there I found, trying to print stuff, it can come out all sorts of
different ways.  I was annoyed with the fonts.  Takes a while to get it as you
like.  And if you want the page formatted different, so you put staples
through it, then you have to frig around with fonts, and this effects how much
what area text takes on your pages. The fonts I found to pick from where
rather restrictive in what I could pick, and pt. sizes where few.

So I did find some fonts would for instance leave half the page bare, like on
the right.

So you could try that.


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First, I'd like to say that I am a new member of this list.OK, ok, I know
that on the pine webpages and stuff, they say that there is
no mac version of pine yet, but I'd really like to know if anyone is
working on a port of it to the Mac.  I'm tired of using Eudora and then
getting on my shell and using pine.  I want to use something simple yet
powerful on my mac also.

Thanks,

Justin


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On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote:

> First, I'd like to say that I am a new member of this list.OK, ok, I know
> that on the pine webpages and stuff, they say that there is
> no mac version of pine yet, but I'd really like to know if anyone is
> working on a port of it to the Mac.  I'm tired of using Eudora and then
> getting on my shell and using pine.  I want to use something simple yet
> powerful on my mac also.

No one is working, to my knowledge, on a MAC version.  Sorry.

Ed

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just use a text editor to make a  file called .Signature in your home
directory
put your sig in that file.

you don't need to use elm



On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Roberto Jauregui wrote:

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> using  ( elm ) mail .....
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Well, you could put linux on your mac :)
<duck>

On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote:

> First, I'd like to say that I am a new member of this list.OK, ok, I know
> that on the pine webpages and stuff, they say that there is
> no mac version of pine yet, but I'd really like to know if anyone is
> working on a port of it to the Mac.  I'm tired of using Eudora and then
> getting on my shell and using pine.  I want to use something simple yet
> powerful on my mac also.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Justin
>
>
>


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I like Unix... and I'm a Mac user! hehhehehe
Unix kicks butt over NT any day...


On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote:

>
> Well, you could put linux on your mac :)
> <duck>
>
> On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote:
>
> > First, I'd like to say that I am a new member of this list.OK, ok, I know
> > that on the pine webpages and stuff, they say that there is
> > no mac version of pine yet, but I'd really like to know if anyone is
> > working on a port of it to the Mac.  I'm tired of using Eudora and then
> > getting on my shell and using pine.  I want to use something simple yet
> > powerful on my mac also.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Justin
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Good point, and I've thought of that, but this is an older mac and none of
the versions of NetBSD will run on it.  And MkLinux and Linux for PMac
won't run because this machine isn't a pmac.  ;-)
Oh well...

Thanks,

Justin

On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote:

>
> Well, you could put linux on your mac :)
> <duck>
>
> On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote:
>
> > First, I'd like to say that I am a new member of this list.OK, ok, I know
> > that on the pine webpages and stuff, they say that there is
> > no mac version of pine yet, but I'd really like to know if anyone is
> > working on a port of it to the Mac.  I'm tired of using Eudora and then
> > getting on my shell and using pine.  I want to use something simple yet
> > powerful on my mac also.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Justin
> >
> >
> >
>