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Hi! I'm student from Latvia and I use pine. There is one thing
what I want to know: How to write to many people with one address? For
example my address is [email protected] and other students have the
same addreses @inka.cs.llu.lv . So, How to write address to send
e-mail to all of them?
I hope, you'll anderstand what I'm talking about.
It would be very pleasant to me to get answer on this question.

Sencerely yours Atis Luguzs

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Hello Atis:

All you need to do is this: From Pine's main menu, press (A)ddress Book,
then press (A)dd New.

For the "Nickname", you might want to use "Friends" or "Students" or
something easy to remember. In the "Full Name" field, you might want to
use something longer like "List of Friends", or "Students at LLU". You can
leave "Fcc" and "Comment" empty if you want. In the "Addresses" field,
type exactly that. Type each address you want to send to, separating each
with a comma. When you are composing mail to the list you have created,
just type in the nickname you made into the "To:" field of the (C)ompose
screen.

That should pretty much do what you're asking. You might want to also
check with your mail administrator to see if he or she has a global address
book set up for all users.

Hope this helps!

\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\
robert chicago illinois
joseph u s a
wilshe rwilshe @ ais.net
//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//

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> From: Atis Luguzs <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Question
> Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 7:00 AM
>
> Hi! I'm student from Latvia and I use pine. There is one thing
> what I want to know: How to write to many people with one address? For
> example my address is [email protected] and other students have the
> same addreses @inka.cs.llu.lv . So, How to write address to send
> e-mail to all of them?
> I hope, you'll anderstand what I'm talking about.
> It would be very pleasant to me to get answer on this question.
>
> Sencerely yours Atis Luguzs
>

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I've been trying to add a "Reply-to:" line to the header of my
messages. I tried Control-R, which displays a number of options,
none of which is the one I want.

Thanks,
Prof. L. Antonio Estevez

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>> "RJW" == Robert J Wilshe <[email protected]> writes:

RJW> That should pretty much do what you're asking. You might want to
RJW> also check with your mail administrator to see if he or she has a
RJW> global address book set up for all users.

You forgot to mention the lcc: command. Hehehe >;->

Later,
Robin

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Hello there.

I do have a little problem, with my sustem here.
Ever since, I have gotten your "Pine tips" mailings things, my system has
been all scewed up. Everytime I use my arrow keys to move in the main
menue they won't work. Also, it has occured to me that my arrow key won't
funtion at all when before I have used them to choose options.
Maybe you can tell me weather there is a problem with my computer here or
if there is a problem with the system itself.

Well, I do hope to hear from you soon.

Hans Haest

[email protected]

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On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Dr. L. Antonio Estevez wrote:

> I've been trying to add a "Reply-to:" line to the header of my
> messages. I tried Control-R, which displays a number of options,
> none of which is the one I want.

>From the main menu go to setup/config. Find the "customize-headers"
parameter and read the "help".

Regards,

Ed

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I need help finding my father or brothers e mail address. If you can help
please let me know.

Thank you

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On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> I need help finding my father or brothers e mail address. If you can help
> please let me know.

Try http://www.switchboard.com or
http://www.four11.com

Or, you could call them on the telephone and ask. You do know your
father's telephone number, right?

--
Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
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I have a user on bsdi3.0 and using pine 3.95 who is getting an error
message that states:
Problem detected: "Out of Free Storage"
Pine Exiting
Abort (core dumped)

When trying to read the inbox.
There is not a storage problem on the server, there is plenty of space.
This user does have a large inbox though. Almost 6MB, does pine have a
limitation on the size of a users inbox. I have not been able to find
anything in the documentation or on the web site which states this. Any
assistance would be appreciated.

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You may find a visit to

http://www.washington.edu/nic/addresses/tools.html

helpful. And your email correspondents, generally, will find more
descriptive message subjects than "hi" helpful. ;-)

------------------------------------------------------------
Stefan Kramer [email protected]
Network Information Center http://www.washington.edu/nic/
Computing & Communications University of Washington
------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:40:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: [email protected]
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: hi
>
> I need help finding my father or brothers e mail address. If you can help
> please let me know.
>
> Thank you
>

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Is there a way to read an address list into pine? I have several long
lists and every semester I have to create new lists for classes. It is
very inconvenient to copy and paste. I can format my list files to suit
any structure you set up. I also tried to edit your address files, but
that didn't work. (I believe your help files said you couldn't do this.)

Nick Salamon

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On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:

> From: Robert de Bath <[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 07:46:21 +0100 (BST)
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Bug (ID 2H66N): Valid multi-part/mixed breaks pine
> Organization: Mayday Technology Ltd
> X-URL: http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday
> X-Alternate-address: User rdebath on machine cix.co.uk
> X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 for Linux
> Message-ID: <36c204914624d95bc0269edf4d7fd231@uk>
>
>
> The problem is that the boundary= field in the header is unquoted.
> According to rfc2046 (line 1048) this is perfectly valid if the
> characters in the boundary string all pass rfc822's rules.

My reading ot RFC 2046 is that the overall header has to conform to
RFC822's rules. The overall grammar for the Content-Type header is
defined in RFC2045.

>
> From rfc822 the characters in a header atom can be any printable
> ascii except space, control characters and the specials: ()<>*,;:\".[]

See section 5.1 of RFC2045. The prohibited characters in an unquoted
parameter value are SPACE, CTLs, and the tspecials: ()<>@,;:\"/[]?=

>
> The header of this messages has the boundary: _=-742
> This passes these rules but pine 3.96 does not display the first part of
> the message and panics with an abort() if you attempt to view any other
> part.

We'll check to see that Pine 4.00 doesn't crash on this sort of
boundary, but it still won't parse the way it was intended. Since no
valid boundary was found, Pine will assume that the rest of the
message is the preamble and should not be displayed.

BTW, you can display the raw message by piping it to cat...

>
> Machine: IBM PC running Linux 2.0.30 with GCC 2.7.2 and libc 5.4.7
> Pine Vs: 3.95q and 3.96
> Attached message is JUNK!!!
>
> --
> Rob. (Robert de Bath <http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday>)
>

Thanks for the report!

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How does one spell-check & create accent aigu, grave, italicise foreign
words, create umlauts, etc...

[email protected]
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/7988

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Is there anyway to forward mail to a different address.
Much thanks.

Brian

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On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, BRIAN MC NAMARA wrote:

> Is there anyway to forward mail to a different address.
> Much thanks.

I'm making a few assumptions here, and if I'm wrong, my answer may be
inaccurate.

* You're using pine, and not PC-Pine
* Your system uses sendmail or a close relative

If you create a file in your home directory named .forward (there's a
period in front of that filename), and place an email address in that
file, all mail sent to your account will go to that address. If you have
access to a unix shell where you have the ability to execute arbitrary
commends, use this line to start forwarding:

cd ; echo '[email protected]' > .forward

where [email protected] is the email address where you wish your mail
forwarded.

You can use the following line to disable your mail forwarding:

cd ; rm .forward

If you do not have access to a shell, it is possible that your local
administration has set up some method for you to edit your .forward file.
Contact your local support personnel for more info.

-jeff

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Assalamualaikum,
Di koen wis lulus Tah ?

Wassalam.

Agung Prabowo, M27.

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I am a student at Grand Rapids Community College, and I just
wanted to write this note to all the people involved with pine. Great
Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a lot of fun!

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Please lok closely at this message.
How can the phrase (ages 12 & 13) be taken off my sent mail?
Thank you, Jerry

ages 12 and 13]

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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, 111548 wrote:

> Please lok closely at this message.
> How can the phrase (ages 12 & 13) be taken off my sent mail?
> Thank you, Jerry
>
> ages 12 and 13]
>
>

I would check your signature file... Perhaps easiest to press M S S when
in pine. You'll likely see the line "ages 12 and 13]" in there. Removing
the text should solve your problem.

-jeff

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>> "awh" == alba wayne hall <[email protected]> writes:

awh> How does one spell-check &

That's not a pine related question and depends on the spell checker
you're using. On u*ix systems, you could use ispell with a couple of
options:

-d file
Specify an alternate dictionary file. For example, use -d deutsch to
choose a German dictionary in a German installation.

awh> create accent aigu, grave,

use a dead key keyboard

awh> italicise foreign words,

not at all

awh> create umlauts, etc...

or the appropriate keymap

Later,
Robin
--
Robin S. Socha, M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
"They don't let you teach there, do they?"
Annelise Anderson in comp.mail.pine

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thanks for the reply but for security reasons we don't want to give our
users acces to the OS.

******************************************************************************
Brian T. Mc Namara Jewish Theological Seminary of America
Asst. Manager Computer Operations 3080 Broadway
[email protected] New York, NY 10027
Work: 212-678-8901
******************************************************************************

On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Jeff wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, BRIAN MC NAMARA wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to forward mail to a different address.
> > Much thanks.
>
> I'm making a few assumptions here, and if I'm wrong, my answer may be
> inaccurate.
>
> * You're using pine, and not PC-Pine
> * Your system uses sendmail or a close relative
>
> If you create a file in your home directory named .forward (there's a
> period in front of that filename), and place an email address in that
> file, all mail sent to your account will go to that address. If you have
> access to a unix shell where you have the ability to execute arbitrary
> commends, use this line to start forwarding:
>
> cd ; echo '[email protected]' > .forward
>
> where [email protected] is the email address where you wish your mail
> forwarded.
>
> You can use the following line to disable your mail forwarding:
>
> cd ; rm .forward
>
> If you do not have access to a shell, it is possible that your local
> administration has set up some method for you to edit your .forward file.
> Contact your local support personnel for more info.
>
> -jeff
>
>

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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, 111548 wrote:

> Please lok closely at this message.
> How can the phrase (ages 12 & 13) be taken off my sent mail?
> Thank you, Jerry
>
>ages 12 and 13]

Looks like you are having a problem with your signature file.

Go to the Main Menu and type 'S' for Setup and then 'S' again for
Signature. This will bring you to a screen where you can edit the
signature file, which usually contains your name and email address,
like mine below. It helps so you don't have to retype it every time
you send a mail.

On the other hand, if you just want to get rid of it totally,
go to the Main Menu and type 'S' for Setup and then 'C' for
Config. Go to the line that looks like this :

signature-file = .signature

and hit 'D' to delete that value for the filename .

Good Luck,

Shawn M. Jeffries
[email protected]

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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, BRIAN MC NAMARA wrote:

> thanks for the reply but for security reasons we don't want to give our
> users acces to the OS.

OK. Then you are saying you'd still want to forward the mail but not let
the users do it themselves? If that is the case, the system admin can
create the .forwards as needed. Or, you can create an alias in the alias
file with the same name as the Unix user. The alias can then point to a
seperate account. Since the alias takes precedence the mail will be
forwarded to the account specified by the alias.

>
> On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Jeff wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, BRIAN MC NAMARA wrote:
> >
> > > Is there anyway to forward mail to a different address.
> > > Much thanks.
> >
> > I'm making a few assumptions here, and if I'm wrong, my answer may be
> > inaccurate.
> >
> > * You're using pine, and not PC-Pine
> > * Your system uses sendmail or a close relative
> >
> > If you create a file in your home directory named .forward (there's a
> > period in front of that filename), and place an email address in that
> > file, all mail sent to your account will go to that address. If you have
> > access to a unix shell where you have the ability to execute arbitrary
> > commends, use this line to start forwarding:
> >
> > cd ; echo '[email protected]' > .forward
> >
> > where [email protected] is the email address where you wish your mail
> > forwarded.
> >
> > You can use the following line to disable your mail forwarding:
> >
> > cd ; rm .forward
> >
> > If you do not have access to a shell, it is possible that your local
> > administration has set up some method for you to edit your .forward file.
> > Contact your local support personnel for more info.
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> >
>

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Hello,
looking for national characters I found in your archive:
Go into "Setup",
Choose "Config"

Look for "Character-set"
Add new value: iso-8859-1

and voil�a!
Mais comment composer les characteres?
I found that in my pine "Character-set" set to iso-8859-1 by default.
But still I cannot compose the German Umlaute and sz.

When I invoke pine this way:
xterm -name isoterm -e pine &
I can compose my characters with "Compose Character"+a, etc,
"Compose Character"+s for sz.
But in a telnet session I cannot invoke Pine like this.
--
Mit freundlichem Gruss / Greetings / Bien a vous Otto Hell
--
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Is there any way to retrieve deleted messages from the pine system?

Thanks.

Jill Spielfogel

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>> "JS" == Jill Spielfogel <[email protected]> writes:

JS> Is there any way to retrieve deleted messages from the pine
JS> system? Thanks.

Under u*ix? No. Sorry. :-/

Later,
Robin

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I need to download the shareware program "Wyse50". Can you give me the
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I have noticed something in the past few weeks about Pine 3.96. I am
unsure if this is the expected behavior or not. I often times become root
to do some modifications to the system and sometimes forget to change back
after I am done. I use "su root" (not "su - root") so my directory and
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mbrown.user to root.sys. The next time I start a new month, therefore
moving sent folder to the previous month (more often), my choice is not
written and I get the same option each time I start pine. This became
very annoying and frustrating trying to figure out the reason behind it.

My question is this. Is this the normal behavior? What is the reasoning
behind automatically changing the ownership of the .pinerc file to
root.sys? Thanks in advance.

Mitchell Brown

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Is there a list or newsgroup to discuss Procmail? Thanks in advance and
answer direct if this isn't appropriate for the list.

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
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I entered the name of Netcom's NNTP server into the configuration as
instructed and got the expected list of newsgroups when I hit L, but when
I attempted to select one, I got an error message...something like "502 -
You aren't permitted to talk". Where did I go awry here?

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
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Hello,

I would like to change what the PINE puts as an attribution string when I
reply to a message (Instead of "On Sep 3 1997, John Doe said:" I'd like
something else). I was able to do this when I was using elm but can't find
where I can do it in PINE. Could anyone help?

I would appreciate if you could reply directly to me as I am not on the
mailing list.

Thanks,

ANDRIAMANANJARA Tahirisoa [email protected]
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Hey fellow Pine users,

I want to create a global Pine configuration file to set certain
parameters for all users.

I followed the documentation, and entered the following command as root:

pine -conf > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf

I then modified the parameters, saved the changes, and logged into Pine as
a normal user. The options I specified in the global file did not take
effect. I even set the file permissions to 777. What did I do wrong?

Any advice would be appreciated!

Greg Tsigaridas
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Could you please send me the list of frequentlly asked questions for Pine?

Thank you,
Socorro Ojeda

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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Walt Smith wrote:

> I entered the name of Netcom's NNTP server into the configuration as
> instructed and got the expected list of newsgroups when I hit L, but when
> I attempted to select one, I got an error message...something like "502 -
> You aren't permitted to talk". Where did I go awry here?

You haven't gone awry.

The server is not allowing you to talk to it. Contact the administrator
of the server and determine the reason.

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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Mitchell Brown wrote:

> My question is this. Is this the normal behavior? What is the reasoning
> behind automatically changing the ownership of the .pinerc file to
> root.sys? Thanks in advance.

Yes. this is normal...and hasn't a thing to do with pine.

After you've "su root" do a "touch x" then do an "ls -l x"....who is the
owner? Answer, "root".

You need to do some homework on Un*x.

Ed

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On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Mitchell Brown wrote:
>
> > My question is this. Is this the normal behavior? What is the reasoning
> > behind automatically changing the ownership of the .pinerc file to
> > root.sys? Thanks in advance.
>
> Yes. this is normal...and hasn't a thing to do with pine.
>
> After you've "su root" do a "touch x" then do an "ls -l x"....who is the
> owner? Answer, "root".
>
> You need to do some homework on Un*x.

Actually, I think the original question had to do with "why is Pine
*changing* the ownership of the .pinerc file".

Pine has a few built-in safeties to prevent accidental invasion of privacy
or destruction of data. This is just one of those measures. When you start
Pine aftering su'ing to root without changing your environ, Pine looks at
the $HOME variable to determine the home directory, and looks at the
pinerc file contained therein. If the .pinerc file is owned by someone
else, or writeable by someone else, Pine takes measures to fix this.
Problem is, Pine doesn't quite handle this with 100% success.

-jeff

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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, BRIAN MC NAMARA wrote:

> thanks for the reply but for security reasons we don't want to give our
> users acces to the OS.

If you have pine as your shell, you can allow users to edit their .forward
file just like their .signature file, but with a bit of work.

If you have another restricted shell, siminar to a FreeNet shell, you can
give users an option to edit their .forward file.

Or, you can do things yourself, with sendmail aliases or the like.

-jeff

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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Walt Smith wrote:

> Is there a list or newsgroup to discuss Procmail? Thanks in advance and
> answer direct if this isn't appropriate for the list.

Everyone using Procmail can benefit from the Procmail FAQ:
http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/procmail/mini-faq.html

-jeff

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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Andriamananjara Tahirisoa Rajaona wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I would like to change what the PINE puts as an attribution string when I
> reply to a message (Instead of "On Sep 3 1997, John Doe said:" I'd like
> something else). I was able to do this when I was using elm but can't find
> where I can do it in PINE. Could anyone help?
>
> I would appreciate if you could reply directly to me as I am not on the
> mailing list.

Replying to both you and the list.

It would appear that the attribution string is hard coded into the Pine
binary. You would have to recompile yourself a custom copy to change the
string.

I may be wrong- didn't have much time to look and be certain

-jeff

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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Greg Tsigaridas wrote:

-> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:04:14 -0400 (EDT)
-> From: Greg Tsigaridas <[email protected]>
-> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
-> Subject: System wide Pine configuration
->
-> Hey fellow Pine users,
->
-> I want to create a global Pine configuration file to set certain
-> parameters for all users.
->
-> I followed the documentation, and entered the following command as root:
->
-> pine -conf > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
->
->
-> I then modified the parameters, saved the changes, and logged into Pine as
-> a normal user. The options I specified in the global file did not take
-> effect. I even set the file permissions to 777. What did I do wrong?
->
-> Any advice would be appreciated!
->
-> Greg Tsigaridas
-> [email protected]
->
->
The the precendence of Pine's configuration files is:
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed
user's ~/.pinerc
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf

To set global parameters which the user cannot overwrite you should name
your global configuration file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed
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Hello,

Linux lpr give me an error:
lpr: Fatal error - cannot print '(stdin)': unprintable file
while I am trying to print from Pine.
lpr works fine when printing form Linux (i.e. lpr file or cat file|lpr).

Linux version is 3.2 (kernel 2.0.29)

I can set domain name from Pine other than my Linux box by using Setup
settings user-domain. But how can I set username (e.g. hj to
hannu.juustovaara)?
This is because I send mail via modem to another smtp mail server and I
want that mail receiver can reply to those remote smtp server address.
i.e. I want addresses [email protected] change to
[email protected] in From-field.

=================
Hannu Juustovaara

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--On Thu, Sep 4, 1997 3:47 pm -0700 "socorro ojeda"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Could you please send me the list of frequentlly asked questions for
Pine?
>
> Thank you,
> Socorro Ojeda

Further information about Pine, along with its FAQ, can be found on the
World-Wide Web at the Pine Information Centre:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/

(This reference is posted to this forum every week or two.)

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Hi ! I'm student from Latvia. I want to know more about Cc:
Why it is necessary?
What a possibilities it gives?

One day I get a mail from somebody who could not know my address.
How that is possible?

It would be nice to get answers on these questions, Can you do
that?
Thank you!

Sencerely yours Atis

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Sir/Madam:ept

I'm trying to e-mail you hoping that somebody could help my problem
regarding my received e-mails that was lost. I don't know what happen. My
"inbox" has more than 100 important messages which happened to disappear
all of those. Other folders are still there except for the "inbox". Could
anybody help retrieve those messages? Please help me.

EVANGELINE M. BAGUIO
OFFICE OF THE INSTITUTE LIBRARIAN'S OFFICE
MSU-ILIGAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
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Hello,

I am trying to find someone who would provide a DNS service
for a domain newly created: my www-hosting provider
wouldn't do it...

Thank you for your help

-Ruben
[email protected]

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Actually, James, you got right back to me on question 3 which was general
whining and complaining about when Pine will be web and user friendly. No
one answered me about question 2 which was full of config questions on
getting the d*rn PC-Pine to communicate with my Homer account properly.

The question was 84995R; I've pasted the body of the message below (there
was also an attachment but it probably isn't necessary to help me now.

At your recommendation, I've copied this message to pine-info@cac.

Catherine McFarland
Database Coordinator, (206) 616-7393
CDPR/NWPEC Research Centers, Box 358852
Department of Health Services, University of Washington

2. I've tried to setup PC-Pine on my desktop computer to try to get
around some of the above problems but the darn thing won't communicate
with my homer account properly. I've read your canned instructions until I
can recite them in my dreams and poor Jon L. and Ryan C. have spent a lot
of time trying to help me, but it just hasn't worked out. Last time Ryan
told me that my PC-Pine config settings and my Homer Pine settings had to be
identical; but, the config options aren't the same so I can't make the
settings the same. I've attached that email to this one so you can see
what we've already discussed.
>
I've pretty much solved most of the problems I was having except
one; PC-Pine won't access my folder collection; I can't read mail saved in
folders nor can I save mail to folders. On my Homer Pine the inbox path is
"{mailer8}inbox" rather than "{cmcfarla.deskmail.washington.edu}" but I'm
assuming that this is because on Homer it is considered a local drive
whereas from my desktop it would be a remote drive. I do wonder why it
isn't necessary to include the word "inbox" in PC-Pine. I've also noticed
that the path information shown at the top of the Directory screen in
Browse is "/rc20/d55/cmcfarla".
>
> I also can't access my newsfolders; I've tried all 3 values
> recommended in the help screen plus the just a simple
> "news.u.washington.edu" and none show the newsgroups I'm subscribed to.
> This isn't really a major problem because I can get to them through
> Outlook Express and Internet Mail in Win95...why I can get the
> newsfolders in those programs but can't access email I don't understand,
> but I'm grateful for small favors.
>
> In any event, below are the settings I currently have in PC-Pine:
>
>
> personal-name = C. McFarland
> user-id = cmcfarla
> user-domain = u.washington.edu
> smtp-server = mailhost.u.washington.edu
> nntp-server = news.u.washington.edu
> inbox-path = {cmcfarla.deskmail.washington.edu}
> folder-collections = {cmcfarla.deskmail.washington.edu}mail/[]
> news-collections = news.u.washington.edu
> incoming-archive-folders = <No Value Set>
> pruned-folders = <No Value Set>
> default-fcc = <No Value Set: using "sentmail">
> default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "savemail">
> postponed-folder = <No Value Set: using "postpond">
> read-message-folder = <No Value Set>
> signature-file = <No Value Set: using "pine.sig">
> global-address-book = <No Value Set>
> address-book = <No Value Set: using "addrbook">
>
> These are the settings on my Homer Pine:
>
>
> personal-name = <Value is Fixed: using "C. Mcfarland">
> user-domain = <No Value Set>
> smtp-server = <No Value Set>
> nntp-server = <No Value Set: using "news.u.washington.edu">
> inbox-path = <No Value Set: using "{mailer8}inbox">
> folder-collections = <No Value Set: using "mail/[]">
> news-collections = <No Value Set: using
"*{news.u.washington.edu/n...">
> incoming-archive-folders = <No Value Set>
> pruned-folders = <No Value Set>
> default-fcc = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">
> default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">
> postponed-folder = <No Value Set: using "postponed-msgs">
> read-message-folder = <No Value Set>
> signature-file = <No Value Set: using ".signature">
> global-address-book = <No Value Set>
> address-book = <No Value Set: using ".addressbook">
>
> BTW, my Homer Pine is version 3.95b which I don't think is the latest
> version...but I haven't the foggiest idea how to upgrade it.
>
> One thing that may have added to the miscommunication was that my
computer is connected to the University on an Ethernet line so that, even
though my office is located off campus, I don't use Dial-up to connect. I
> don't see how that would make a difference, but I thought I'd mention
it.
>
> One reason I'd like to be able to use PC-Pine, and to be able to
> get the rest of my office on PC-Pine, is the ability to conveniently
attach files to email messages. My boss, particularly, uses attachments a
> lot and he is always having trouble downloading/uploading.
=========================================================================

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, James Ingram c/o C&C Help Tracking System wrote:

> .##.
> X-Tracking-Number: 84996 [Please leave this line in all correspondence.]
> .##.
> On Thu Sep 4 22:08:04 PDT 1997, James Ingram wrote:
>
> Catherine,
> Sorry not to get right back to you.
>
> I only got question three, and I think that's where you're PC Pine
> questions were...but,
>
> I'm not sure anybody knows the real future of Pc-pine. I think it's proven
> more difficult than expected to integrate the entire Web functionality,
> especially since web functionality keeps changing so fast.
>
> You might send a message to [email protected] for more specific
> Pine and PC pine questions.
>
> Good Luck and let me know if I can help...
> jim
> Jim Ingram
> [email protected]
> > > > > version).
> > > > >
> > > > > Will Pine ever offer full web integration? Will Pine (or PC-Pine)
> > > > > ever offer a proper GUI environment? While I know from perusing the help
> > > > > files and examining the config options that Pine offers functions that I
> > > > > don't understand and so don't use, it seems to me that in the areas of
> > > > > basic user friendliness, Pine is stuck in the 1980's. Given the UW's
> > > > > relationship with Microsoft, this surprises me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I know this has gotten long, but I hope by giving you all the
> > > > > details and history I can think of it will save time in the long run by
> > > > > showing what I've already tried. Just sending me the canned PC-Pine
> > > > > instructions won't work; I already have a hardcopy of them that is
> > > > > well-worn. I appreciate the help everyone has tried to give me and hope
> > > > > that the problem doesn't turn out to be a bug in MY brain. I'm actually
> > > > > pretty computer savvy...usually. @8-/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Catherine McFarland
> > > > > Database Coordinator, (206) 616-7393
> > > > > CDPR/NWPEC Research Centers, Box 358852
> > > > > Department of Health Services, University of Washington
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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My pine system is causing a lot of trouble. I can't normally log in
because according to the sytem, my address directory isn't prepared yet.
Not only that, I can't create any folders, nor my address book. Please
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hi
i recieced something on my screne while using pine about a bug what do i
do next
what does this mean
how did i get it
what will it do to my computer
please respond asap
thank you
kristi

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>> Regarding bug; [email protected] adds:

b> hi i recieced something on my screne while using pine about a bug
b> what do i do next what does this mean how did i get it what will it
b> do to my computer please respond asap thank you kristi

You can read all about that in the documentation that comes with
pine. Try saying "man pine" or use the help that comes with pine
(somewhere in the main screen).

Later,
Robin

--
Robin S. Socha, M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
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Annelise Anderson in comp.mail.pine

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Hello !!!

I have a question about the folders. I want to make that the Pine will
look for From:, CC:, Subject: etc. and then he will store mails in
separate Folders. Something like Procmail. Is this possible in Pine?? Or
I have to use Procmail???

Bye.

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I was reading the discussion group and your response to one of the
Threads about a mailing list. I did what you said about Rich Hdr--Fcc the
people--Rich Hdr off. But what was the other way? I didn't really
understand how not to expand the list. Please let me know. Thanks!
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Use the pipe command one the '|' key from the message or index screens,
pipe it through 'cat' and be sure to type control-W to pipe the whole
raw message through it.

If there are lines like below then you need a decoder to turn the base64
into plain text. The 'metamail' tools should work.

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On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Alan Thew wrote:

> As postmaster and occasionally as a user, I receive mail where some of the
> headers are:
>
> From: Mail Administrator <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: Mail Administrator <[email protected]>
> Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:50:38 -0700
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> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="===========================_
> _=
> 8967895(229)"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
>
>
> This looks totally illegal and pine does not display anything beyond this.
> However, there is a message here and it would be useful if I could force
> pine to read it. Any suggestions?
>
> Attempts to use various pagers (and even /bin/cat) fail since pine appears
> to format the data rather then sending the raw information to the pager.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Alan Thew [email protected]
> Computing Services,University of Liverpool Fax: +44 151 794-4442
>
>
>

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>> "IP" == Iztok Polanic <[email protected]> writes:

IP> I have a question about the folders. I want to make that the
IP> Pine will look for From:, CC:, Subject: etc. and then he will
IP> store mails in separate Folders. Something like Procmail. Is
IP> this possible in Pine??

No.

IP> Or I have to use Procmail???

No. There are other filters available that are a little easier to set
up and maintain. They are (far) less powerful, though, so you should
make up your mind whether sorting alone will be all you want to do. If
so, procmail might be overkill >;-> Get Nancy McGough's mail filtering
faq to learn more about the wonderful world of filtering:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/
usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html
http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html
ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/filtering_mail_faq.txt
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq

HTH,
Robin

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>> Regarding Please Help; The MAN!!! <[email protected]> adds:

s> I was reading the discussion group and your response to one of the
s> Threads about a mailing list. I did what you said about Rich
s> Hdr--Fcc the people--Rich Hdr off. But what was the other way? I
s> didn't really understand how not to expand the list. Please let me
s> know.

How do I send a message to multiple recipients without showing all
their names?
In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers
area, press Ctrl-R ("rich headers"). Then read the context-sensitive
help screens for the Bcc: and Lcc: fields.

Lists in the Address Book
Pine allows you to create distribution list entries in the address
book. These list entries usually contain two or more addresses,
which can be either complete email addresses, or nicknames defined
^^^^^^^^^
elsewhere in the Address Book. In the example at the top of this
page, the distribution list named 1996 Conference Panel contains -
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
in addition to three "fully qualified" email addresses -- the
nickname Ross, which is defined in the first entry of that Address
Book. You can use an address book list entry to manage a small
distribution list. When sending out a message, you just enter the
nickname of the list in the To:, Cc: or Bcc: fields, and Pine
fills in all the addresses on the list.

Rich Headers Command
Normally, Pine just shows you four header fields to fill out --
To:, Cc:, Attchmnt:, and Subject:. There are others -- Bcc:, Fcc:,
Lcc:, Newsgroups: and possibly custom headers you have defined in
your personal configuration -- which are also available but not
usually shown. When you press Ctrl-R in the message header, you can
see and edit these hidden fields.
Bcc stands for blind carbon copy. Addresses listed in this field
receive a copy of the message, but are not visible to any of its
recipients, including even those who received the blind carbon
copy. (If you enter addresses both in the To: and the Bcc: fields,
this can cause confusion among the Bcc recipients, who may think
they accidentally received a message intended for someone else --
the addresses they see in the To: field -- and then forward it to
them, so use this feature with discretion.)
New in Pine version 3.92 is the Lcc (List Carbon Copy) field, which
combines the functions of the To: and Bcc: fields. It allows you to
select a list of addresses from your addressbook and shows the name
of the list -- but not the individual addresses in the list -- in
the message's To: field, while delivering a copy of the message to
each address on the list.

For a MAN!!!, you're showing a considerable amount of ignorance when
it comes to reading the FAQ.

Cheers,
Robin

--
Robin S. Socha, M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
"They don't let you teach there, do they?"
Annelise Anderson in comp.mail.pine

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I am trying to figure out how to upload a file into pine from word perfect
so that I can attach it to e-mail. If you could send me step by step
instructions I would greatly appreciate it.

Jerry Scott

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>> "1" == 111548 <[email protected]> writes:

1> I am trying to figure out how to upload a file into pine from word
1> perfect so that I can attach it to e-mail. If you could send me
1> step by step instructions I would greatly appreciate it.

Attchmnt:
This is an advanced Pine feature that allows you to attach files,
including word processing documents, spreadsheets, or images that
exist on the same computer where you are running Pine. If you do
not want to attach a file to your message, press <Return>. For
more information, with your cursor in the Attchmnt: field, press
<Control>G (Get Help).

This is from the FAQ.

HTH,
Robin

--
Robin S. Socha, M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
"They don't let you teach there, do they?"
Annelise Anderson in comp.mail.pine

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Dear sir,

I am Gayathri Sivakumar doing XII std.I would like to get the
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Yours Truly,
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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine. Before sending questions
to the mailing list -- which is mirrored in the newsgroup comp.mail.pine --
please consult these resources:

The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes,
Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are
available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be
accessed:

- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/

- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

- The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
(from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]

The messages from this mailing list/newsgroup are archived. These archives
can be accessed:

- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
(includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information
on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

- From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and
choose Add Value) as:
*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of your Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Sep 7 03:00:06 PDT 1997

-----------------------------------
Pine development and support team
University of Washington
Computing & Communications
-----------------------------------

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Hi,

I here that you guys know quite a bit about this system. I seem to be
having some trouble. A friend of mine set up my computer at my dorm so
that it sends my mail there. Unfortunately, my computer at my dorm steals
the mail from the campus e-mail computers. It appears that none of my
mail goes to the campus computers anymore. Is there any way to set up a
joint mail system...where I can check my mail in my dorm and on campus.
I'd appreciate it if you could help me out.

Thanks,

Thomas R. Van Den Beldt

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Hi there, I'm having trouble getting into my email account; the problem is
that as soon as I get into pine, the screen goes "abort", so that I cannot
even enter my password. What should I do?

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Last year, I created the signature file (below) in pine to be
automatically attached to all messages I sent from this account. Now that
I've moved, and want to change the information, I can't seem to find the
key which would allow me to do so.

Chris Hickey
[email protected]
133 Stribling Ave.
Charlottesville, VA
22903-2940
(804) 977-5118

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Go to the Main Menu, then type 'S' for Setup, then 'S' again for
Signature. This will open an edit screen so you can change your signature.

Shawn M. Jeffries
[email protected]

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Christopher J. Hickey wrote:

>Last year, I created the signature file (below) in pine to be
>automatically attached to all messages I sent from this account. Now that
>I've moved, and want to change the information, I can't seem to find the
>key which would allow me to do so.
>
> Chris Hickey
> [email protected]
> 133 Stribling Ave.
> Charlottesville, VA
> 22903-2940
> (804) 977-5118

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Assuming that the file exists...or even if it doesn't...in the $home
directory on your account, try

pico .signature

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
[email protected]

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From: Paul A Beltrani <[email protected]>
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Subject: pine hangs accessing Solaris automounts
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Software details:
Pine 3.96 on Solaris 2.5.1

Problem details:
Our user home directories are, for the most part, stored on a
central machine and automounted to /home/~ as necessary.

When pine attempts to access a mailbox file in a user's HOME
directory, eg. reading ~/mail/sent-mail or writing
~/dead.letter, it hangs indefinitely with a slow spinning baton prompt.

This ONLY happens when the user's home directory is AUTOMOUNTED
from ANOTHER server. This does not happen on manual/vfstab NFS
mounted directories or on directories automounted from another
location on the SAME server.

A search of the Pine Discussion Forum Archives shows that
others have posted similar problems. However, I haven't found
any responses that contained a solution.

Does anyone have a solution or suggestion regarding this
problem.

- Paul Beltrani
Oceanic Imaging Consultants

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Thanks.

Chris Hickey
Ph.D. Program
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On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Shawn Jeffries wrote:

>
> Go to the Main Menu, then type 'S' for Setup, then 'S' again for
> Signature. This will open an edit screen so you can change your signature.
>
>
> Shawn M. Jeffries
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Christopher J. Hickey wrote:
>
> >Last year, I created the signature file (below) in pine to be
> >automatically attached to all messages I sent from this account. Now that
> >I've moved, and want to change the information, I can't seem to find the
> >key which would allow me to do so.
> >
> > Chris Hickey
> > [email protected]
> > 133 Stribling Ave.
> > Charlottesville, VA
> > 22903-2940
> > (804) 977-5118
>
>

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To Whom it May Concern,
I am wondering how to download the Pine E-mail program onto my off
campus Personal Computer. If you could please E-mail me back with the
place to download this program. If it can't be downloaded, please let
me know how I can get it. Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Rick L. Shields
[email protected]

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please send me a list frequently asked questions if you can for problem
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H. Charlesworth & Co. Ltd, 254 Deighton Road| Fax : +44 (0)1484 425439
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Jason,

Check out http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/

That's the pine FAQ page.

Shawn M. Jeffries
[email protected]

On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Jason Edmondson wrote:

>
>please send me a list frequently asked questions if you can for problem
>solving.
>
>Jason Edmondson | Tel : +44 (0)1484 517077
>H. Charlesworth & Co. Ltd, 254 Deighton Road| Fax : +44 (0)1484 425439
>Sheepridge, Huddersfield, UK, HD2 1JJ. | [email protected]

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I just got e-mail from my friend in MIME format. And I couldn't read it.
How do I receive MIME-aware tools? Waiting for your reply.

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Is there any freeware or shareware that can convert mail format from
MIME format to readable texts format automatically?
Thank you

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You need to set the paths to your mailcap in S(etup) C(onfig), and edit
your /etc/mailcap accordingly. It's rather well commented usually, so
there shouldn't be any problems.

BTW, this is my first post with a vanilla pine in 2 years - and it kinda
sucks. Pico is hell... No wonder there are so many badly quoted messages
around. Besides, my sig is not at the bottom of my reply, I can only see
from: in the folder collection, there's no pgp, there's no filtering
either, no colors, no nothing. Geez... I guess I'll have to configure Gnus
here, too >;->

Later,
Robin

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Robin S. Socha
Proudly running Linux 2.30 at work...
On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Sirinart Malawan wrote:

> I just got e-mail from my friend in MIME format. And I couldn't read it.
> How do I receive MIME-aware tools? Waiting for your reply.
>

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Hello all. We are testing 3.96 on our digital alpha unix sytems
running 4.0b. 3.96 works fine except for at the command line if you type:

% pine username (username being someone on the same system)

you get a blank screen. You have to press ^l to get the compose screen
with the menu. This is a minor problem but I was wondering if anyone has
come across this problem and if there is a way to fix it. I am not a
member of the list so I'd appreciate it if the replies go directly to me
at:

[email protected]

Thanks.
Michael Mays

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[email protected] writes:
> You will receive a letter immediately.
> Your friend,
^^^^^^^^^^^
> Tim

Good thing he said "Your friend,". If he hadn't said that, I would've
thought he was just another goodfornothing spammer.

Matt

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I sent a message to my sister and i included a text .She is unable to
get the attached text and she does not know how to proceed. I do not
know myself how to proceed because i have the microsoft ...... Will you
please answerme

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Hello again, in addition to the command line problem it has also
been brought to my attention that, it also forgets to redraw itself when
you switch from the inbox to listing other mailboxes. Sometimes it happens
sometimes it doesn't. Any assitance on this matter would be appreciated.

Previous message I said:
>
>
> Hello all. We are testing 3.96 on our digital alpha unix sytems
> running 4.0b. 3.96 works fine except for at the command line if you
> type:
>
> % pine username (username being someone on the same system)
>
> you get a blank screen. You have to press ^l to get the compose screen
> with the menu. This is a minor problem but I was wondering if anyone
> has come across this problem and if there is a way to fix it. I am not
> a member of the list so I'd appreciate it if the replies go directly to
> me at:
>
> [email protected]
>
> Thanks.
> Michael Mays
>
> ================================================
> || ||
> || Michael Mays ||
> || [email protected] ||
> || http://rosemary.ocis.temple.edu/~mays ||
> || ||
> || "Who's more foolish, the fool or ||
> || the fool who follows?" ||
> || ||
> ================================================
>

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On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, gilbert grimard wrote:

> I sent a message to my sister and i included a text .She is unable to
> get the attached text and she does not know how to proceed. I do not
> know myself how to proceed because i have the microsoft ...... Will you
> please answerme

Well, you've not really given enough information for anyone to tell you
how to proceed.

BTW, I'm very sorry to hear that you "have the micorsoft". I've been told
that a cure for that has been discovered. :-) :-)

--
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Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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How do I create an outbox for messages I've sent?

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How do i get off this list?!

=B0=BA=A9o=BF,,=BFo=A9=BA=B0=A8=A8=B0=BA=A9Shattered =
Mynd=A9=BA=B0=A8=A8=B0=BA=A9o=BF,,=BFo=A9=BA=B0
"I thought I thought a thought, but the thought I=20
thought I thought wasn't the thought I thought.=20
If the thought I thought I thought had been=20
the thought I thought, I wouldn't
have thought so much!"
=
=B8.=B7.^'[email protected]?=AB=BA=B7=B0=B4'^.=B7=
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On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Shattered Mynd wrote:

> How do i get off this list?!

Ahh....think, think, think? How did you get on this list in the first
place? Did you send an email at sometime in your life to the address

[email protected] ?

If you can't remember....then try now and include the word "help" in the
body of your message.

>=20
> =B0=BA=A9o=BF,,=BFo=A9=BA=B0=A8=A8=B0=BA=A9Shattered Mynd=A9=BA=B0=A8=A8=
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> "I thought I thought a thought, but the thought I=20
> thought I thought wasn't the thought I thought.=20
> If the thought I thought I thought had been=20
> the thought I thought, I wouldn't
> have thought so much!"
> =B8.=B7.^'[email protected]?=AB=BA=B7=B0=B4'^.=
=B7.=B8
>=20

--=20
Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
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Dear officer,
I'm unable to send any mail from my address.Please tell me what is
wrong.
Nirupama Kumar.

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Hi!
Is that possible and how to send message to all people who have
their e-mail addresses on the one internet server?
For example: How can I send message to all who have [email protected]? I
don't know their addresses and it would be too hard to write thousand
of them.
May be that is possible using newsgroups?

OK Have a nice day! Archi

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On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Archi wrote:

> Hi!
> Is that possible and how to send message to all people who have
> their e-mail addresses on the one internet server?
> For example: How can I send message to all who have [email protected]? I
> don't know their addresses and it would be too hard to write thousand
> of them.
> May be that is possible using newsgroups?

Well, it probably is not possible using newsgroups. However, you could
write a script which works on the odometer principle. Meaning generate
address like, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and so on until you get to
something around [email protected]. You may have to insert logic to add
numerics as well since aol (or compuserv) may have numerics it email
addresses. I would also suggest you don't send the messages out without
first using the "VRFY" function to "verify" that the user actually exists.
If you fail to do this you may get a fair amount of undeliverable mails.

Have fun.....

--
Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
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How do I set a default carbon copy address. I wish to send a copy of
everything I write to my administrative assistant.

Thanks!

Gene Harvey
Dir. Academic Computing
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1-937-327-6177

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On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Gene U. Harvey wrote:

>
> How do I set a default carbon copy address. I wish to send a copy of
> everything I write to my administrative assistant.

Starting from the main menu in Pine...

Press S for Setup, C for Config

scroll down to "customized-hdrs" and press A to Add text.

Enter your assistant's email address preceeded by Cc:
Cc: [email protected]

Press return, press E to Exit config, committ changes with the Y key, and
give it a try.

>
> Thanks!

You're welcome.

-jeff

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i can't figure out to send attachments (word processing files that i have
on diskette) in my e-mail. could you help me please. thanks. assunta

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>> On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:57:11 +0300 (EET DST),
>> Archi
>> who can be reached at: [email protected]
>> (whose comments are cited below with "A> "),
>> had this to say in article
>> <[email protected]>
>> concerning the subject of Multimesage

A> Hi! Is that possible and how to send message to all people who
A> have their e-mail addresses on the one internet server? For
A> example: How can I send message to all who have [email protected]? I
A> don't know their addresses and it would be too hard to write
A> thousand of them. May be that is possible using newsgroups?

Make a web search for "net abuse", "spam", "mailbombing". If you
should decide to send mail to my address, take a look at
carpetbombing, too.

Later,
Robin

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I would like to change my from: and Reply-to: addresses in Pine to
foil autospammers.

Is there any way that I can change my address from:
[email protected]

to:

[email protected]

The amount of UCE I get is driving me insane!

MK

"Well, at least it's not driving my car...."

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I have found no combination that in any way will result in my
Hewlett Packard LaserJet IIP printing or even reacting to my attempts to
print. I've used both the information from PINE and the printer's user's
manual. Has anyone solved this problem, for I'm sure I'm not the only one
using such a common type printer? What is the solution?

R. W. Brock, Klein, Texas
[email protected]

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From: "Colin J. Raven" <[email protected]>
To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]>
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I have absolutely no clue what you are asking, nor indeed what your education
level is.
This is a forum for discussion yes, but there are some "understood" protocols
and procedures. One is to use the English language in a remotely understandable
form.
The other generally accepted standard is this; If you are asking for help, then
at least furnish list members with what you are "seeing on your screen". Common
sense alone dictates that before someone can even attempt to assist you, they
must know what your problem is.
Since you are in an ".edu" domain, and presumably at college (although goodness
knows how you got there based on your atrocious English as written below) I
strongly recommend that you ask the Systems Administrator there "what does this
mean"
Oh yes, one other matter...I also suggest you ask your sysadmin in a more
intelligible fashion than you asked this list, or he'll simply either hang up
on you, or else when he reads the e-mail, he'll simply use the "delete" key.

Colin J. Raven
Network & Systems Administrator
HDS Lab, Inc.
Costa Mesa, CA
(714) 428 0300
email: [email protected]
http://www.hdsskin.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 1997 19:59
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: bug

hi
i recieced something on my screne while using pine about a bug what do i
do next
what does this mean
how did i get it
what will it do to my computer
please respond asap
thank you
kristi

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You can download PC Pine (if you want to use Pine in a Windows environment)
from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the directory /pine/pcpine
If you have any flavor of Linux installed at home, you can download Unix
binaries of Pine, and a decent text editor Pico (my personal favorite) from
ftp.cac.washington.edu in the directories /pine/unix-bin, or
/pine/unix-bin/compressed
I would hazard a guess that you are running some iteration of Windows at home,
so the first ftp URL will probably do the trick.. Be aware however, PC-Pine
does *not* support disconnected use, so in other words you can't compose e-mail
offline, dial up and send an "Outbox" full of mail, then suck down what's
waiting there for you. That ability does not yet exist in PC-Pine, though the
next version is widely rumored to support disconnected use. For now, you can
only logon to the server, read compose, reply and forward online. If either
distance (read 'phone bills) or extended functionality such as offline
composition is of importance to you, then I strongly recommend that you use one
of the many mail clients that are out there such as Eudora Light.
Alternatively, you could use an integrated mail client that you would find as
part of a browser, such as Netscape mail, or (God help us) Internet Mail
(available with IE 3.0 or better), both of which (personal religious
preferences aside) are fairly capable mail clients for most users.
Hope this is of some help to you.
If you have any PC-Pine or other strictly non-Pine questions, don't post to
this list, but feel free to email me directly and I'll try to be of some help.
Colin

Colin J. Raven
Network & Systems Administrator,
HDS Lab, Inc
Costa Mesa, CA
(714) 428 0300
email: [email protected]
http://www.hdsskin.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Shields [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 22:01
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: Pine E-mail

To Whom it May Concern,
I am wondering how to download the Pine E-mail program onto my off
campus Personal Computer. If you could please E-mail me back with the
place to download this program. If it can't be downloaded, please let
me know how I can get it. Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Rick L. Shields
[email protected]

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Robin S. Socha wrote:

> Make a web search for "net abuse", "spam", "mailbombing". If you
> should decide to send mail to my address, take a look at
> carpetbombing, too.

>From tree lovers to B-52's over Hanoi; we see it all on this list.

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Last week, I signed up with Netscape. At that time I changed my login name
to Celirvin. Since then,I have not been able to get into the system. Am I
signed up? When are you making the transfer? Please reply

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On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Celia A Irvin wrote:

>Last week, I signed up with Netscape. At that time I changed my login name
>to Celirvin. Since then,I have not been able to get into the system. Am I
>signed up? When are you making the transfer? Please reply

This is a question that you should address to your System Administration.
Try contacting them directly.

"[email protected]" is for relating problems specific to the
Pine email program.

Shawn M. Jeffries
[email protected]

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I received a Bug Report message this afternoon and was asked to forward to
this address.

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My internet company gave me instructions on how access pine, but I have
no instructions on how to use it. I can receive messages and write
them, but cannot send them. I cannot use the mouse in most cases and I
cannot delete old messages. I can put a "d" in front of the message,
but nothing happens. I don't know if there is a local representative
that can help me, but this is very frustrating. My E-mail address is
[email protected], however I would get any response from you
faster at work at [email protected].

I would appreciate any help or information so that I can begin using my
E-mail at home.
John A. Fleek

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Hmm...I'd say you raised more than one issue here.
First of all, try logging on to your ISP and at the login prompt type "man
Pine" which will give you a wide overview of the mail client. Don't be afraid
to thrash around in Pine and try out it's many features. It's a very tolerant
program, and in many ways is designed for the new user who would rather learn
by experimentation, than by reading a manual.
Rather than directing you to read the voluminous material available at the
University of Washington (where pine was developed) instead you can visit
literally dozens of sites where Pine procedures are clearly reviewed and
discussed in clear and unambiguous language.
With no particular preferences in mind, but rather choosing a clearly written
help manual, you might try http://www.ctstateu.edu/help/apps/pine/gsw-pine.html
for starters. If that's not to your liking, go to any search engine and try a
keyword like "Pine+Email" (minus the parentheses) and you'll see numerous
resources.
One final note, you will find that mail is not deleted from pine until such
time as you quit the program. Try typing "d" alongside a message that you want
to delete, then type "q" and hit "y" or Return when asked if you "really want
to quit Pine" you will then see "Expunge the 1 deleted message from "Inbox"
again hit "y" or return. Log back in and "voila" the message marked for
deletion will really be gone.
Hope this helps some
Colin

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Colin J. Raven
Network & Systems Administration
HDS Lab, Inc
Costa Mesa CA, Harrison NY
(714) 428 0300 (914) 835 2200
email: [email protected] [email protected]
http://www.hdsskin.com http://linus.uhmc.sunysb.edu/~colin/

-----Original Message-----
From: John Fleek [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 13:59
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject:

My internet company gave me instructions on how access pine, but I have
no instructions on how to use it. I can receive messages and write
them, but cannot send them. I cannot use the mouse in most cases and I
cannot delete old messages. I can put a "d" in front of the message,
but nothing happens. I don't know if there is a local representative
that can help me, but this is very frustrating. My E-mail address is
[email protected], however I would get any response from you
faster at work at [email protected].

I would appreciate any help or information so that I can begin using my
E-mail at home.
John A. Fleek

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Hi There!!,
Please guide me as to how to save the e-mails as a *.txt OR *.doc OR as
All Files Format in to my computers C drive, i.e. Hard Disk. I have
already saved the messages in to folders created by me, but I do not know
the path of these folders and these folders are not on my hard disk.
Please advise me as the e-mails I have received are very important to me.
I will appreciate your kind help. Thanks,
Mona.

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I was wondering is there some way of finding out what the commands
displayed at the bottom of the screen actually do and how one can
effectively use them. I am talking about the obvious commands like Send,
Cut and Uncut, but more like Bounce, Flag, the less frequently-used
commands.

Thanks

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KR> I received a Bug Report message this afternoon and was asked to
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>> "UMR" == UNADKAT MONA RASIKBHAI <[email protected]> writes:

UMR> Please guide me as to how to save the e-mails as a *.txt OR *.doc
UMR> OR as All Files Format in to my computers C drive, i.e. Hard
UMR> Disk. I have already saved the messages in to folders created by
UMR> me, but I do not know the path of these folders and these folders
UMR> are not on my hard disk.

Several options, all depending on how your remote system is
configured (I presume it's a u*ix system):

1. Copying the files to disk and then to your home computer:

* say "mount", see if a floppy is mounted (should be
/dev/fd...) and see where it is mounted. Like this:
/dev/fd0 on /floppy type msdos (rw)
Then say "cp <filename> /<mountpoint>". u*ix is
case-sensitive so take care you get the cases right.

* if the mtools are installed on your system, "mcopy
<filename> a:" will do the trick.

2. FTPing the files home:

* login to your remote system via telnet (telnet
giasbma.vsnl.net.in) and give your name and password. Launch
a program like Norton Commander that can do Zmodem. Copy the
files home.

* FTP the remote computer (ftp giasbma.vsnl.net.in). Same
procedure as above.

BTW, this subject is covered in the FAQ (which you might read some
time) - and actually, your local help desk would be a better place to
ask.

HTH,
Robin

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Dear Sir,
I would like to get all the details of how to use and why to use this
editor and its advantage w.r.t other editors available like vi,elm,etc
thanxs
manish

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Dear sir/madam
I am unable to get a printout of my e-mail . When I press "y" (print
command) only the screen moves and nothing is printed.
Please help me and tell me how to get a printout in pine.

thanking you
yours faithfully

SHAILESH JAIN.

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On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Tyrone W. Grandison wrote:

> I was wondering is there some way of finding out what the commands
> displayed at the bottom of the screen actually do and how one can
> effectively use them. I am talking about the obvious commands like Send,
> Cut and Uncut, but more like Bounce, Flag, the less frequently-used
> commands.

Yes, it is called ? - help or on some screens ctrl-G Get Help.

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Hello there,

I've got a couple of questions:

1. As far as goes my understanding, Pine add (at least) two lines in the
mail header, which are Status, and X-Status. What are their purpose ? What
is the difference between the two ? Is it really Pine, or could it be
sendmail ?

2. When saving a mail from the INBOX folder to another folder, the saved
message appears as new in the other folder. I would like to mark it as
read automatically when saving. can it be done ?

Thanks for your answers,

Best regards,
Eric

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Howdy all,

Haveing some problems with pine and/or sendmail. But first:

Linux running on a 486 box, ethernet connection to internal network,
dial-up to our ISP.

When mail is 'sent' it never goes anywhere. I.E. I have an account
just for testing mail, and my account. Checking the queue using 'mailq'
shows all the messages processed, with the status eq 'defered', then
after some time, the sending account gets the warning message 'Warning,
can't send will try again in 4 hours' or something like that. Have been
through pine.conf, pine.conf.fixed, and .pinerc these all look ok, as I
have another linux box at the ISP to compare with. Imapd is configured
as to the pine technicial notes. I can watch sendmail using 'tail
/etc/adm/messages -f' to see the process, but no leads to the problem.

Sendmail.cf, and sendmail.cw have what look like appropriate data. Are
there more debugging tools available? I get the idea that something is
not set-up quite right, or not loading at boot time.

Thanks in advance

tod
[email protected]

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Hey everybody,

Is there any way to make Pine automatically move sent-mail to the previous
month without asking the users' permission?

Alot of users refuse to ever move their sent-mail which causes hassels on
our end of things.

Thanks for any help!

Greg Tsigaridas
[email protected]

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Hi, I am using my own ISP to ask this question since everytime I do a
message it says "Sent message FAILED" what am I doing or not doing to cause
this. I can view messages ok so if you want to respond to me via pine the
address is: [email protected] I look forward to your reply.

John Christophel

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i am taking a continuing ed course on the internet about the internet.

when i enter pine, i am unable to move the curser with the arrow key [note
i culd not correct cuser to curser] or correct any other mistakes except
if i use the backspace key

i use win 3.1

the help desk could not help
can you??

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Dear Sirs,

Whenever I am sending mail, I am not getting any acknowledgement as to
whether that mail has reached or not.

Is there any way available to know the status of the mail.

Kindly help for which I will be obliged.

Thanks

ARUN

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>> "AKM" == Arun Kumar Mishra <[email protected]> writes:

AKM> Dear Sirs, Whenever I am sending mail, I am not getting any
AKM> acknowledgement as to whether that mail has reached or not.
AKM> Is there any way available to know the status of the mail.

Generally speaking: no, there isn`t. There are certain programs that
allow you to set up such a configuration, but I don`t think you would
like to set them up. You could try and find out if your mailserver and
that of the addressee can "negotiate" in a way that allows receipts,
but generally speaking: if the mail doesn`t bounce back to you, it`s
safe to assume that it has been delivered.

Later,
Robin

--
Robin S. Socha
Proudly running Linux 2.30 at work...

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OK OK OK...enough already, this list is getting totally outta hand. It's time
it became a moderated list.
Listies??? Anyone concur? Alan? Robin?
How *does* one moderate a list anyway???
Well, that's my two cents worth
-C
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Subject: help

Dear Sir,
I would like to get all the details of how to use and why to use this
editor and its advantage w.r.t other editors available like vi,elm,etc
thanxs
manish

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Fellow List Members;
I shot from the hip a short time ago re moderating this list and asked
(rhetorically) what was involved in moderating a list.....I forget who even
*owns* this list...perhaps I ought to have directed my remarks to that person.
(If I could find my subscription email I might be able to answer that myself)
Maybe moderation might solve this stream of less than relevant stuff that seems
to be streaming over the transom of late. A set of list guidelines published at
the time of list subscription might also be of some further help.
Or maybe I'm just a star-struck naive idealist!
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Text editors are a matter of personal preference you will find.
Pico is not only the default editor in Pine, but is also simple...really simple
to use.
Getting into religious issues of one editor vs another is not part of what this
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Dear Sir,
I would like to get all the details of how to use and why to use this
editor and its advantage w.r.t other editors available like vi,elm,etc
thanxs
manish

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>> Colin J Raven writes:

CJR> Maybe moderation might solve this stream of less than relevant
CJR> stuff that seems to be streaming over the transom of late.

AFAIK, it's "always" been like this. Oddly enough, there haven't been
any "how do I set iso-blablabla" or "there's a severe security bug"
postings lately.

CJR> A set of list guidelines published at the time of list subscription
CJR> might also be of some further help.

Umm, yeah. But then again, Joe Random Luser isn't subscribed. Besides,
pine isn't all that easy to understand. I screwed up a Linux
installation *big* time 2 days ago (actually, it wasn't me but the
Novell net, but that's a different story >,->) and had to use pine
instead of Gnus. Guess what, it took me about 1 hour to set it up in a
way that was barely useable. Ok, my needs are rather esoteric
(filtering, anti-spam, pgp...), but it definitly wasn't easy. Programs
like, say, xfmail are a lot easier (i.e. more intuitive) to set up and
use. Blabla...

What I actually wanted to say was: It's ok for a newbie to post a
newbie question. Depending on how stupid he is, he'll be lightly
toasted or badly flamed, and pointed in the general direction of both
the netiquette and the faq. Voila. I only wish the faq were numbered:
it's much nicer to be able to say "read 4.5" than c&p all that boring
stuff.

One thing I've already suggested in the past (sometimes I wonder if
the pine guys are actually a script - but maybe they're just too busy
coding to make pine keep pace with mutt) was to split the mailing list
and the newsgroup. This way, a moderated group *could* be brought into
existance, provided enough people would be silly enough to take on
that project. Moderating a mailing list is a lot of work.

One nice feature for pine would be if it could include the OS, version
number and varios other stuff by pressing a button. I find it rather
unnerving to have to look up the headers to find out which version of
pine the poster has been using.

CJR> Or maybe I'm just a star-struck naive idealist!

Guess so. There are just not enough people out there who are willing
to learn the basics of the usenet... err... sorry - the information
super highway. I've seen a lot of whining about how impolite giving an
rtfm-answer is, but I've rarely seen useable answers by the very same
people.

What a totally depressing evening...
Robin

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Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
It my life to ruin my own way.

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I just opened my account with Rutgers university at the Newark NJ
campus.
I am having problems logging on from outside the pine system. My adress
is; [email protected] Please advise as to how I can log on.
You can respond in kind to:
[email protected]
Thank you

motzart

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This is a matter for your local helpdesk at Rutgers, since every system is set
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You should contact your systems administrator for an answer to this question.
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I just opened my account with Rutgers university at the Newark NJ
campus.
I am having problems logging on from outside the pine system. My adress
is; [email protected] Please advise as to how I can log on.
You can respond in kind to:
[email protected]
Thank you

motzart

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On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, neil farrell--internet dummie wrote:

> i am taking a continuing ed course on the internet about the internet.
>
> when i enter pine, i am unable to move the curser with the arrow key [note
> i culd not correct cuser to curser] or correct any other mistakes except
> if i use the backspace key

You didn't elaborate on what the result of the keys is. I'm assuming you
see no characters on your screen- as opposed to seeing strange control
chars when you press the arrow keys.

>
> i use win 3.1

I'm also assuming that you're using Terminal, which comes packaged with
win311. In the Settings menu, there is a choice named "Terminal
Preferences". Select this. In the ensuing dialog, there is an option
termed "use control, arrow, and function keys for windows". UNcheck this
option and try using them in Pine.

>
> the help desk could not help
> can you??

You might want to point this out to your local help desk if it solves your
problem. They could use the info.

Good luck,

-jeff

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Every time I send an email, a message at the bottom says, "sent message
failed." It also says disk quota exceeded. I have deleted ALL of my
saved messages...and it still say that. What is wrong with my email
account.

Valerie LeGrand, Indiana University

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I think I understand how to attach a file, but what I don't understand is
how to get the file from my hard drive to my pine home directory or in
other words upload the file so I can attach it. Can you tell me how to do
that? I'm sure it's a simple process. I just don't know how to do it.

Thanks Eloise Shim

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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine. Before sending questions
to the mailing list -- which is mirrored in the newsgroup comp.mail.pine --
please consult these resources:

The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes,
Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are
available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be
accessed:

- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/

- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

- The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
(from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
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*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]

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- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
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- From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and
choose Add Value) as:
*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of your Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Sep 14 03:00:04 PDT 1997

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good day!

am using pine 3.95 and is encountering this error message

"out of free storage" when trying to open INBOX, or

"can't resize free storage" in accessing a folder say 'sent-mail',

where in fact i have a huge free space.

what seems to be the problem with my system?.. any idea on how to fix

this?

thanks.

|art|

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Hi all !

Sometimes when I have communication problems or when I start another pine
in an another host , pine tells me that :
INBOX IS CLOSED DUE TO ... (I don't remember the rest of the line).

This is OK, but when I solve the problem (communication is back or I quit
the other session of pine), pine still doesn't know that it's OK now.

Is there a way to tell pine to try to open INBOX again, or the only
solution is just to quit and restart ?

Thanks,

Yossi

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Dear Sir
I received a mail from my friend containing pictures in
attached of type ms-tnef. But when I downloaded to my PC its unreadable.

content type : application/ms-tnef.

This is a content type I recieved for my attachements but unfortunately
the picture file
is not readable/viewable

Kindly advice me.

Sincerly

JayaPrasad
[email protected]

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jp <[email protected]> writes:
> I received a mail from my friend containing pictures in
> attached of type ms-tnef. But when I downloaded to my PC its unreadable.
> content type : application/ms-tnef.
> This is a content type I recieved for my attachements but unfortunately
> the picture file
> is not readable/viewable

It's a proprietary Microsoft "enhanced" text format (similar to HTML,
I believe). You'll need an MS client to read it. Since most people
using MS clients have TNEF generation turned on by default, they don't
realize that they're sending out TNEF attachments. Tell the sender
that they should use something more universally accepted, like plain
text (or worst case, HTML)

Matt

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Why do they report power outages on TV?

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Hi, sir,

I am a new graduate of UCSD.
These days, I am trying to treat 'pine' as my email tool. But I have
many messages in netscape mailbox, so I want to convert these messages
to pine's messages. I have checked many www address, still can not find
the answer. Would you please be kind enough to give some of your advice?

--
Chengzhou Wang
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>> Yossi Itzkovich writes:

YI> Sometimes when I have communication problems or when I start
YI> another pine in an another host , pine tells me that : INBOX IS
YI> CLOSED DUE TO ... (I don't remember the rest of the line).

Access error...

YI> This is OK,

No, it isn't.

YI> but when I solve the problem (communication is back or I quit the
YI> other session of pine), pine still doesn't know that it's OK now.

Because it isn't.

YI> Is there a way to tell pine to try to open INBOX again, or the
YI> only solution is just to quit and restart ?

You cannot run more than one pine session at a time, due to the arcane
file locking mechanisms it uses. Your second session is trying to
"override" the lock and pine write-protects both sessions.

Cheers,
Robin

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>> "kkk" == kapay kapay ka <[email protected]> writes:

kkk> am using pine 3.95 and is encountering this error message "out of
kkk> free storage" when trying to open INBOX, or "can't resize free
kkk> storage" in accessing a folder say 'sent-mail', where in fact i
kkk> have a huge free space. what seems to be the problem with my
kkk> system?.. any idea on how to fix this?

Sure -- your local help desk. Most likely your disk quota is
exceeded. Don't bother asking, just "man quota".

Cheers,
Robin

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>> "EAS" == Eloise A Shim <[email protected]> writes:

EAS> I think I understand how to attach a file, but what I don't
EAS> understand is how to get the file from my hard drive to my pine
EAS> home directory or in other words upload the file so I can attach
EAS> it. Can you tell me how to do that? I'm sure it's a simple
EAS> process. I just don't know how to do it.

>From Pine's user guide:

Attach File Command
[...]
The file to be attached must be on the same system as Pine. If you
use Pine on a Unix machine but have files on a PC or Macintosh, the
files must be transferred to the Unix system running Pine before
they can be attached to the message being composed. Please ask your
local consultants about the correct way to transfer a file to your
Pine system as the method will vary from site to site.

You can use floppies, ftp mail, anything, to get the files on the u*ix
computer.

Cheers,
Robin

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you'd better go home...

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>> "VNLG" == Valerie Nicole Le Grand <[email protected]> writes:

VNLG> Every time I send an email, a message at the bottom says, "sent
VNLG> message failed." It also says disk quota exceeded. I have
VNLG> deleted ALL of my saved messages...and it still say that. What
VNLG> is wrong with my email account.

As it says, your quota is exceeded.

>From the netiquette:

ELECTRONIC MAIL AND FILES- USER RESPONSIBILITY
The content and maintenance of a user's electronic mailbox is the
users responsibility:
- Check Email daily and remain within your limited disk quota.
- Delete unwanted messages immediately since they take up disk
storage.
- Keep messages remaining in your electronic mailbox to a minimum.
- Mail messages can be downloaded or extracted to files then to
disks for future reference.

Pine supports all these functions. Pls cf the appropriate passages
from pine's help.

Your quota problem:

man quota
cd ~/
du ~/ | sort -s

Then rm <whatever is too big> -rf

Cheers,
Robin

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Dear people,

I will be taking a internet class at BCC this summer. The instructor has
told us that in this class we will be using Pine specifically. My question
is were can I Hook up to a server who uses Pine? My instructor has told me I
cannot use AOL. ARE there other questions I should ask him?
Thank You,
Richard Paul

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What's BCC? If we knew what city you will be in, it would be easier to
direct you to a specific provider. Or just check the telephone book and
start calling and asking...you will need what's called a shell account,
not a SLIP or PPP connection and those are getting a little more difficult
to find. If you have a web browser that you use through AOL, go to

http://thelist.com

and search there. You can do lookups by state or area code.

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
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Hello

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Hello all some one sent me a file segmented with stuffit delux
the problem is after downloading it i cant decompress it and when i get
info on my mac the file type is just document any help would be greatly
appriciated .
am using zterm to connect to my local freenet that uses lynx (text www
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Thanks in advance.

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> kkk> am using pine 3.95 and is encountering this error message "out of
> kkk> free storage" when trying to open INBOX, or "can't resize free
> kkk> storage" in accessing a folder say 'sent-mail', where in fact i
> kkk> have a huge free space. what seems to be the problem with my
> kkk> system?.. any idea on how to fix this?
>
> Sure -- your local help desk. Most likely your disk quota is
> exceeded. Don't bother asking, just "man quota".

nahhh... don't have disk quota... am the administrator and i didn't enable
disk quota.....

|art|

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On 14 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

>
> >> Yossi Itzkovich writes:
>
> YI> Sometimes when I have communication problems or when I start
> YI> another pine in an another host , pine tells me that : INBOX IS
> YI> CLOSED DUE TO ... (I don't remember the rest of the line).
>
> Access error...
>
> YI> This is OK,
>
> No, it isn't.

For me it is OK, since I know that I am the responsible for it !

>
> YI> but when I solve the problem (communication is back or I quit the
> YI> other session of pine), pine still doesn't know that it's OK now.
>
> Because it isn't.
>
> YI> Is there a way to tell pine to try to open INBOX again, or the
> YI> only solution is just to quit and restart ?
>
> You cannot run more than one pine session at a time, due to the arcane
> file locking mechanisms it uses. Your second session is trying to
> "override" the lock and pine write-protects both sessions.
>
> Cheers,
> Robin

Thanks Robin for the explanation, but you didn't give me any answer to my
question:

Is there a way to tell pine to try to open INBOX again (after there is
one pine session again) , or the only solution is just to quit and restart ?

Yossi

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Hi,

Is there a new Pine (Rel. 4.0) on the way ? What are the new features?
When will it be released ?

Thanks,

Yossi

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What is the best way to import a list of e-mail addresses into a Pine
address book?

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>> "UR" == Utsav Ratti <[email protected]> writes:

UR> What is the best way to import a list of e-mail addresses into a
UR> Pine address book?

Editing the .addressbook file or writing a little shell script to do
most of the work for you. It all heavily depends on what format you're
trying to convert from...

Later,
Robin

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Robin S. Socha, M.A.
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Annelise Anderson in comp.mail.pine

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Dear Pine Info:
I work at the University of Rochester. We use pine as our email pkg
through our department Unix server. Today a user called with an error that
they recieved. "ID.SO:text write-enable error (13) for main_$main_". This
error occurs after typing pine at the Unix prompt.
Thanks, David G. Miller.

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Hi!!!

I wish to send a common mail to a number of users but I wish to hide their
names so that one recepient does not the names of other receipients. I am
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Can somebody help me with the steps that I need to follow to make this
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Where do i get MIME-aware tools? please help!
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MY FRIEND SENT ME AN EMAIL WITH A JPEG ATTACHMENT...HOW DO I VIEW IT??? i
CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT ON THE SCREEN!!!
PLEASE HELP! THANKS
LYNN

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You need software capable of displaying JPEG image files. These are
available from most of the major ftp sites...Hobbes, Garbo, etc. Since
you don't say what operating system you're using, it's possible that if
your OS includes multimedia support, you already have the software, but
you need to learn how to use it. Check your manuals.

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
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LYNN A LIM <[email protected]> WRITES:

> MY FRIEND SENT ME AN EMAIL WITH A JPEG ATTACHMENT...HOW DO I VIEW IT??? i
> CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT ON THE SCREEN!!!
> PLEASE HELP! THANKS
> LYNN

YOU SEEM TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE TERMINALS THAT CAN'T DO LOWER CASE.
(I'LL TYPE THIS RESPONSE IN UPPER CASE SO YOU CAN READ IT).
UNFORTUNATELY, UPPER CASE TERMINALS CANNOT, AS A GENERAL RULE, READ
JPEG ATTACHMENTS.

SORRY,

MATT

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>> "LAL" == Lynn A Lim <[email protected]> writes:

LAL> MY FRIEND SENT ME AN EMAIL WITH A JPEG ATTACHMENT...HOW DO I VIEW
LAL> IT??? i CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT ON THE SCREEN!!! PLEASE HELP!

YOU NEED TO SET AN ENTRY IN YOUR MAILCAP FILE, ADD THE PATH OF YOUR
MAILCAP FILE TO YOUR PINERC AND SEE TO IT THAT YOU HAVE A PROGRAM
INSTALLED THAT IS CAPABLE OF DISPLAYING JPEG FILES.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO YOUR LOCAL HELP DESK OR CONSULT PINE'S
DOCUMENTATION (ALSO AVAILABLE IN FORM OF ONLINE HELP).

BTW, all caps are considered SCREAMING...

Cheers,
Robin

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"They don't let you teach there, do they?"
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1) Leave the To: field blank (or put your e-mail address there)

2) Press ^R to get the Rich Headers

3) Enter the recipient's addresses in the Bcc: field (Blind Carbon Copy)

4) Type your message

5) ^X to Send

Good luck!

Greg Tsigaridas
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Put the recipient's addresses in the

On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Pradeep K. Banerjee wrote:

> Hi!!!
>
> I wish to send a common mail to a number of users but I wish to hide their
> names so that one recepient does not the names of other receipients. I am
> using Microsoft Outlook and Windows 97.
>
> Can somebody help me with the steps that I need to follow to make this
> happen.
>
> Look forward to your response.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pradeep Banerjee
>
>

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Robin,

I've looked everywhere I can think of, but I can't find how to
make the Reply Indicators in a reply to be the sender's initials.

Can you help me out?

Shawn

On 14 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

>>> Yossi Itzkovich writes:

>YI> Sometimes when I have communication problems or when I start
>YI> another pine in an another host , pine tells me that : INBOX IS
>YI> CLOSED DUE TO ... (I don't remember the rest of the line).

... rest cut

>--
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>Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn

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I'm a student at Southeastern Louisiana University and need to know if
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>> Regarding Reply indicators; Shawn Jeffries <[email protected]>
>> adds:

SJ> Robin, I've looked everywhere I can think of, but I can't find
SJ> how to make the Reply Indicators in a reply to be the sender's
SJ> initials. Can you help me out?

It's a secret. If I told you, I'd have to shoot you afterwards.
Sorry, dude...

But a web-search for XEmacs, Gnus and Supercite might be quite
fruitful. Make sure to write-protect anything that says pine
beforehand - you'll never want to switch back }:->

Cheers,
Robin

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Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
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I just started using pine on UNIX. I recently received to messages with
attachments. When I tried to view the attachments, pine could not display
them and told me to try saving them. I hit 's' for save and hit return but
now I can't find the attachments anywhere in pine. At the UNIX prompt,
when I type 'ls' it says:

IMG01.JPG dead.letter 1heggen.doc mail/

These are my two attachments but I have no idea how to view them. Is there
any way to get them into MS Works? One of the attachments is a picture and
the other attachment is a text message created in MS Word. I appreciate
any suggestions you can give me.

Debbie Thun

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> now I can't find the attachments anywhere in pine. At the UNIX prompt,
> when I type 'ls' it says:
>
> IMG01.JPG dead.letter 1heggen.doc mail/
>
>
> These are my two attachments but I have no idea how to view them. Is there
> any way to get them into MS Works? One of the attachments is a picture and
> the other attachment is a text message created in MS Word. I appreciate
> any suggestions you can give me.

It would seem that the machine you are typing on is a PC. It probably
connects with ebicom.net via some dialup connection SW. It may be a ppp
connection or it may be an async connection. *We* can't tell from here so
you will have to tell us more about your operating environment so we can
be more helpful.

Another suggestion would be to contact the helpdesk at ebicom.net. If
that is your ISP they have probably answered that question hundreds of
times for all their other users.

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Greg Tsigaridas wrote:

> 1) Leave the To: field blank (or put your e-mail address there)

You should *not* leave the To: field blank. On this condition some
systems will generate "Apparently-To:" lines and reveal the Bcc's.

I'd suggest seeking help on the Lcc: line available in pine.

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The other day I had accidently toggled all the messages' "answer" flags to
"on" so all my messages were marked "answered" when in fact they were not.
After that has been done, how can I turn them off? I tried many things
without success. Thanks.

73S'
Curtis Delzer H.S.
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We are having a similar problem as the message that follows this message

At one time I was able to Network the HP600 from one Windows 95 computer
to another
Computer "A" had no printer but was networked to use Computer "B"
printer
Computer "B" had the printer
This worked fine and dandy with no problems

until...
Our Shop wanted Computer "A" to have the printer.
No problem right?
I will just network the opposite way.
Computer "A" with the printer
Computer "B" Networked using Win95 to use Computer "A" printer.

Did not work.....had a problem with hpfwin02.dll
Re-installed the printer drivers
No Go
Removed then re-installed again
No Go
Re-installed from network computer
No Go
Re-installed Win 95 three times then the pinter on the network again
no go
Downloaded and installed ver. 7 for the printer
And as of now I get a fault message for spool32 and hpfwin02.dll
But computer "A" is working and printing.

So I put it back to the original way it worked.
"A" no local printer
"B" had the local printer
With this set up back to the original way, nothing would print on either
computer.

So needless to say Computer "A" is the only computer that will print
right now
with a local attached printer.

Please help! What is wrong with computer "B" now, and why did it ruin
something inside for good.

Below is the message I found on the Web:

SrA Dickens, Gregory A
United States Air Force
Kadena Air Base
Okinawa, Japan
18th Maint. Sq.

|To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]> |Subject: HP
600 problems |From: Jack Hirrlinger <[email protected]> |Date: Wed, 18 Jun
1997 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) |Sender: [email protected]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:08:16
>To: [email protected]
>From: Jack Hirrlinger <[email protected]>
>Subject: HP 600 problems
>
>I saw that you looked for help with your HP 600 printer about a year
ago
and hope you can help me from your experience. I have an HP 600C which
has
worked great until I used Windelete to clean up my hard drive. Now the
print
driver doesn't work. I tried to reinstall the driver but as it tries to
read
disk 1 I get and message that a windows file hpfwin02.dll is missing or
can
not be loaded. I downloaded a new HP 600 driver from their web sight and
it
won't install either(though it just says error and wont do anything).
I've
reinstalled Windows 95 twice (once just updating corrupt or missing file
and
another full install). Same, same and both accounts.
> I'm all out of ideas. Did you get any good advice which may
help.
>Please write if you can help.
>
>Jack
>

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From: Dickens, Greg SrA
To: blumenth; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: HP Problem
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 10:59AM

We are having a similar problem as the message that follows this message

At one time I was able to Network the HP600 from one Windows 95 computer
to another
Computer "A" had no printer but was networked to use Computer "B"
printer
Computer "B" had the printer
This worked fine and dandy with no problems

until...
Our Shop wanted Computer "A" to have the printer.
No problem right?
I will just network the opposite way.
Computer "A" with the printer
Computer "B" Networked using Win95 to use Computer "A" printer.

Did not work.....had a problem with hpfwin02.dll
Re-installed the printer drivers
No Go
Removed then re-installed again
No Go
Re-installed from network computer
No Go
Re-installed Win 95 three times then the pinter on the network again
no go
Downloaded and installed ver. 7 for the printer
And as of now I get a fault message for spool32 and hpfwin02.dll
But computer "A" is working and printing.

So I put it back to the original way it worked.
"A" no local printer
"B" had the local printer
With this set up back to the original way, nothing would print on either
computer.

So needless to say Computer "A" is the only computer that will print
right now
with a local attached printer.

Please help! What is wrong with computer "B" now, and why did it ruin
something inside for good.

Below is the message I found on the Web:

SrA Dickens, Gregory A
United States Air Force
Kadena Air Base
Okinawa, Japan
18th Maint. Sq.

|To: "Pine Discussion Forum" <[email protected]> |Subject: HP
600 problems |From: Jack Hirrlinger <[email protected]> |Date: Wed, 18 Jun
1997 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) |Sender: [email protected]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:08:16
>To: [email protected]
>From: Jack Hirrlinger <[email protected]>
>Subject: HP 600 problems
>
>I saw that you looked for help with your HP 600 printer about a year
ago
and hope you can help me from your experience. I have an HP 600C which
has
worked great until I used Windelete to clean up my hard drive. Now the
print
driver doesn't work. I tried to reinstall the driver but as it tries to
read
disk 1 I get and message that a windows file hpfwin02.dll is missing or
can
not be loaded. I downloaded a new HP 600 driver from their web sight and
it
won't install either(though it just says error and wont do anything).
I've
reinstalled Windows 95 twice (once just updating corrupt or missing file
and
another full install). Same, same and both accounts.
> I'm all out of ideas. Did you get any good advice which may
help.
>Please write if you can help.
>
>Jack
>

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I was curious about a feature that you might have. My friend who attends
SIUE also has pine and she heard that we would be able to talk back and
forth like a chat line by this system, by entering "talk" at the ecom
prompt. Is this so, and if it is, how do I use it? Thank you for your
time and trouble.

Hasta luego-Matthew

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Curtis Delzer wrote:

> The other day I had accidently toggled all the messages' "answer" flags to
> "on" so all my messages were marked "answered" when in fact they were not.
> After that has been done, how can I turn them off? I tried many things
> without success. Thanks.

With your INBOX list displaying on the screen, press ; (select)
and choose a (select all).
Press a for apply.
Then hold the shift key down and press the number 8 key (*) to
select the Apply Command.
Choose the flag you want from the list shown.
In your case, you want to unflag all the answer flags. So you
type ! (NOT) and then type A for NOT Answered. Then ; for Select
and A to unselect all.

That should do it.
Lea

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> I'm a student at Southeastern Louisiana University and need to know if
> there is a way for me to find out the E-Mail address of someone at U of W
> or any other University using Pine. If you could send me some information
> on this it would be great. If that is not possible could someone send me
> Tara McFadden's address. Thanks a lot.

Generally, if a university supplying email to students has a directory of
email addresses, it is easily accessible from that school's web site. WU
has such a directory, and I was able to locate the person you were
seraching for. I'll pass her info along via email, since it's not relevant
to the list.

Aside from the webpages of the universities themselves, there are email
directory services such as those housed at <http://www.four11.com>,
<http://www.whowhere.com>, <http://www.switchboard.com>, and others.
Yahoo! can be an excellent resource for finding the homepage of a certain
school when you are having difficulties.

For example, Central Michigan University, which is commonly referred to as
CMU, would logically be located at <http://www.cmu.edu> - this is not the
case, however. Carnegia-Mellon University is at <http://www.cmu.edu>, and
Central Michigan University is at <http://www.cmich.edu>.

Good luck in future searches,

-jeff

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Matthew C Agrall wrote:

> I was curious about a feature that you might have. My friend who attends
> SIUE also has pine and she heard that we would be able to talk back and
> forth like a chat line by this system, by entering "talk" at the ecom
> prompt. Is this so, and if it is, how do I use it? Thank you for your
> time and trouble.

"real time" chat is not a feature of Pine. However, if you have access to
a unix shell, you can take advantage of the unix "talk" command. The basic
syntax of this command is "talk [email protected]". To talk to joe
brown at nowhere university, you would type "talk [email protected]". Joe
would see a talk request from you on his screen, and be able to respond if
he so desired. Talk requires that a talk server be running on both
machines (likely, unless the administration has disabled it), access to
the talk command via unix shell or another method, and a willingness on
both parts to talk.

Pine does have a feature called "allow-talk". When you are in Pine, you
can disable the ability of others to page you with "talk", so that your
screen is not disrupted with their request while you are composing email.
You accomplish by setting the "allow-talk" feature off.

There is no real reason to set this, unless you find it a huge annoyance.
You can redraw your screen in Pine at any time by holding down the control
key and pressing L.

The "allow-talk" command is functionally equivalent to the unix "mesg y"
command- and disabling "allow-talk" is similar to the "mesg n" command.
The difference is, the changes only take effect while in Pine.

Good luck, and good night.

-jeff

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Hi

I'm sorry if this has been covered before but here it is anyway! Could
anyone tell me where I can get hold of a compiled version of Pine for
SCO Unix (3.2.4.2 or 3.2.5) which has the ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM field
enabled. I do not have access to a C-Compiler or I would do it myself -
honest!

Regards,

Sean

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Dear Sir,

I have found your message in Internet two days before.

I should explain that I have trying to find MAILLISTPROGRAMM
which will work.

Please give me more detailed information concerning your message
"CREATE A MAILLIST FROM A FILE" ?

How will it be possible to contact the Internet and to create
a Maillist ??

I am looking forward to your response ASAP.

Sincerely:

Guenter Raich, Austria in Europe
Internet: [email protected]

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What does "N" mean next to messages in my sent-mail folder? Is this a way
to tell if a sent message has been read? Thanks
P.S. Or, is there another way to tell if a sent message has been read?

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dear pineies,
i was just wondering how can you select certain people from your
address book and put those people into one big group so all you have to
type is one name and the message will be sent to all of them? how would i
go about doing that in my address book?

thank you, thairish

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Dear Sir,

I've just received e-mail message from Japan. But I couldn't read the
message, probably, they sent the message in Japanese. Is there any process
that I can read the message?

Yukiko Okada

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1. I just started experiencing a strange thing: I had created a "file"
copy designation when I want to send to myself a copy of what I send to
others (so I don't have to go to the send directory to find it). Today I
started getting these copies back saying they can't be delivered. Why,
after almost of year of it working?

2. More troubling: About a month ago I created a folder called "Core"
into which I saved responses from my law school faculty about what our
"core curriculum" should be. When I went to check for those responses
about a week ago, the folder had disappeared. I created another one then,
for a new response I had received. Today the new folder has disappeared.

a. How or why could this happen when I am (i) certain I created
the folder not once, but twice and (ii) equally certain I did not delete
it.

b. Are these files likely to be somewhere in cyberheaven waiting
for me to pluck them back? I.e. Can I get them back?

Tom Andrews
Associate Dean for Academic Affairs
University of Washington School of Law
1100 N.E. Campus Pkwy.
Seattle, WA 98105
Phone: 206-543-2644 Fax: 206-543-5671
Email: [email protected]

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:21:12 -0700
From: Bud Keith <[email protected]>
To: Multiple recipients of list BLIND-L <[email protected]>
Subject: pine download question

some time ago this question was asked, and since pine has been upgraded
several times since then, i'm asking again.
when i download a pine message to my desk top by hitting the letter e for
export and then control v, is there any way in that process or in the pine
setup to give the downloaded file a name of my choice?

[email protected]
bud keith Ph.D., blind cross-country skier, tandem biker,
returned Peace Corps volunteer and retired civil servant,
currently surviving prostate cancer in arlinton virginia

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Thomas Andrews wrote:

> 1. I just started experiencing a strange thing: I had created a "file"
> copy designation when I want to send to myself a copy of what I send to
> others (so I don't have to go to the send directory to find it). Today
> I started getting these copies back saying they can't be delivered.
> Why, after almost of year of it working?

You should check with your site administrators. Show them the error
message, and they should know what it means. Pine doesn't do the
delivering, programs like sendmail do, and usually include the reasons for
failure in the error messages. There may well have been a local
configuration change that broke something, or made it more picky.

> 2. More troubling: About a month ago I created a folder called "Core"
> into which I saved responses from my law school faculty about what our
> "core curriculum" should be. When I went to check for those responses
> about a week ago, the folder had disappeared. I created another one
> then, for a new response I had received. Today the new folder has
> disappeared.

You picked an unfortunate choice of names. In unix core files are the
result of programs going south, and often the systems are set up to
periodically find and delete them. Again, you need to check with your
local administrator. Sounds like they have been working with sendmail
configs and skulker scripts.

_________________________________________________________________________
Tony Iannotti "Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" CheckFree IS
[email protected] -Juvenal 101 Hudson Street
201/332-2020 Jersey City, NJ 07302

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Maurie R Negrin wrote:

> What does "N" mean next to messages in my sent-mail folder? Is this a way
> to tell if a sent message has been read? Thanks
> P.S. Or, is there another way to tell if a sent message has been read?

N(ew). As in unread....as in what the "help" menus are to you. :-)

Take some time.....read the help....learn somethings.

Regards,

Ed

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Sean C Walsh wrote:

> i was just wondering how can you select certain people from your
> address book and put those people into one big group so all you have to
> type is one name and the message will be sent to all of them? how would i
> go about doing that in my address book?

It is an iterative process.

1. Create a new entry in the addressbook with the name of the "list" as
the alias. (You may have to put starter entry there.)

2. Find the one of the people in your addressbook you'd like to have in
the list.

3. Use t(ake) and enter the alias name created in #1. You'll be asked to
"replace or append". Choose "append".

4. Go to #2.

Ed

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I have recently upgraded the version of pine from 3.91 to 3.96.
After trying to sell (not literally) the new version to users of
old pine and some elm users, I am losing face as pine's latest version
3.96 seems to be VERY SLOW in sending mails after one has composed it.

Has anybody seen this problem? Please forgive me if this has already
been answered by somebody before, as I got onto this mailing list
only recently.

Also, I see some .pine-debug files in my home directory which
basically describe each operation of mine in pine.

The pine.rc used when the sending operation was slow, was the default
one.

Machine: Solaris 2.4, 64 MB RAM

This problem is reproducible on other SUN workstations too,
BUT with similar setup, the problem does NOT reproduce in Pine 3.91.

Any clues?

Thanks in advance,
Bhavin Thaker

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cAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW i CAN BE SURE MY E-MAIL IS BEING
DELIVERED? i GET BRIEF MESSAGES (SEND MESSAGE) i HIT THE RETURN AND THEN
(MESSAGE SENT AND COPIED) AFTERWARDS BUT i'M NOT SURE THEY ARE GOING ALL
THE WAY THROUGH.
tHANKS FOR ANY AND ALL HELP. jERRY

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Hi again,

Some more info...

If I change the following in .pinerc MANUALLY
FROM
fcc-name-rule=default-fcc
TO
fcc-name-rule=/dev/null OR fcc-name-rule=sent-mail OR
fcc-name-rule=<whatever default-fcc is set to>
THEN
the problem disappears!!!

I think the default setting should ALWAYS be faster ...

Pine-developers,
Can you please throw any light on the above behaviour?
Also, how do I stop the .pine-debug file being automatically
generated in my home directory?

Thanks for your time.

Regards,
Bhavin Thaker.

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From: Bhavin Thaker <[email protected]>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
Subject: 3.96 Painfully Slow...

I have recently upgraded the version of pine from 3.91 to 3.96.
After trying to sell (not literally) the new version to users of
old pine and some elm users, I am losing face as pine's latest version
3.96 seems to be VERY SLOW in sending mails after one has composed it.

Has anybody seen this problem? Please forgive me if this has already
been answered by somebody before, as I got onto this mailing list
only recently.

Also, I see some .pine-debug files in my home directory which
basically describe each operation of mine in pine.

The pine.rc used when the sending operation was slow, was the default
one.

Machine: Solaris 2.4, 64 MB RAM

This problem is reproducible on other SUN workstations too,
BUT with similar setup, the problem does NOT reproduce in Pine 3.91.

Any clues?

Thanks in advance,
Bhavin Thaker

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I downloaded two files (addressb.ook and addressb.lu) from my shell
account to my local PC. I wanted to manage my addressbook offline on my
local PC to reduce time on line. After viewing both files with a text
editor it became apparent that there may be a problem. I would be able
to edit the addessb.ook file but was uncertain what this would do
because of the lookup file (addressb.lu).
Bottom line:
- is it possible to edit my address book on my local PC?
- what are the step-by-step instructions?
- Do I need any special software?

Any guidance and instructions concerning this topic would be greatly
appreciated.

Sincerely,

Robert Kniffin
[email protected]

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When i try to send mail the screen reads acp file create failed..what do i
do?

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Hi:
I'm trying configure Pine 3.96 with some security requires suchs as no
shells pipes commands and i got /etc/passwd typing $HOME/work//etc/passwd
although use-current-directory was set (without work directory fixed);
however if work-directory is set to "$HOME/work" i can't write some in
anywhere including dead.letter, sent-saved, etc.

I need:

-users can sent mails without write problems
-users write only on work directory
-don't export files outside of root work directory and tree

Is this posible? How.

Thanks in advance

E.

Note: Please answer must be sent to me cause i'm not post on this list yet
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Eduardo Egues
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This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
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Hi,

Can you please anwser the following questions ?

Is there any way that the POP3 client can know what are the
new unread messages in the mail drop?

Where can I get PINE source code ?

Thanks and Regards,
Sunil.
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Hello,
I was wondering if it was possible to hack into someone's computer
and redirect the mail that is sent out. I'm not asking how to do it, just
if it is possible. My friend, Joanne, sent an emial out a friend in
Colorado. A kid on campus, Chris, apparently received this email. So, we
sent out another email to the kid in Colorado and it said it was from
Chris. I went into her computer and found that he had put his name in the
netscape "from mail preferences". Is it possible for him to access my
email account? Please reply soon!!

thanks Megan

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>> "MCA" == Matthew C Agrall schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:40:33
>> -0500 (CDT):

MCA> I was curious about a feature that you might have. My friend who
MCA> attends SIUE also has pine and she heard that we would be able to
MCA> talk back and forth like a chat line by this system, by entering
MCA> "talk" at the ecom prompt. Is this so, and if it is, how do I
MCA> use it? Thank you for your time and trouble.

1. Use a subject line.

2. Use a signature.

3. Read the faq. Pine is an MUA, not a talk program. Talk or ytalk
or... are talk programs. Hence the name.

Sometimes I wonder if it really takes a full frontal lobotomy to gain
admission to an American university.

Robin

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i am looking for BenHex 4.0 if u can help please let me know

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pine meller,

i would like to ask other commands or information
on how to link into the intire network configurations...

rgrds,

arlan sigaam

team pacific corporation

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Hello,
I am not really sure how the talk version works.
I do know that at the terminal you type talk and then someone's
address but after that what do you do?
I would really appreciate it if you could answer this question for
me.
Missba

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>> "GR" == Guenter Raich <[email protected]> writes:

GR> I should explain that I have trying to find MAILLISTPROGRAMM which
GR> will work. Please give me more detailed information concerning
GR> your message "CREATE A MAILLIST FROM A FILE" ? How will it be
GR> possible to contact the Internet and to create a Maillist ??

Ok, two things for you to do:

1. Check what OS you're running. On a u*ix system, there are several
programs for running mailing lists available
(e.g. major/petitdomo).

2. If you're thinking of making a mailing list publicly available, you
might consider taking a look at a program like mhonarc or mailserv.

HTH,
Robin

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My address is [email protected] you reset my password to my
social security number.(020-62-7769)

Thanks,
The dumbest of the dumb(MEL)

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sure, but .... what's your credit card number first?

Oh, and you'll have to send me a check for $100 , to cover costs, you
know.

Geez,

Shawn M. Jeffries
[email protected]

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>
>My address is [email protected] you reset my password to my
>social security number.(020-62-7769)
>
>
> Thanks,
> The dumbest of the dumb(MEL)

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>> "P" == Pjester21 <[email protected]> writes:

P> i am looking for BenHex 4.0 if u can help please let me know

Unlike binhex decoders, BenHex 4.0's are *really* hard to get. First,
get yourself a dead pig. Then take your head (provided you have one)
and firmly attach it to the corpse's pigs. Count to 10 and see if the
BenHex 4.0 has appeared in the meantime.

Cheers,
Robin

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>> "SPGV" == Sunil Prasad G V <[email protected]> writes:

SPGV> Can you please anwser the following questions ?

At your service ;-)

SPGV> Is there any way that the POP3 client can know what are the new
SPGV> unread messages in the mail drop?

Sure. Depending on what pop-client you're using, the commands you need
are different, though. Best, read the manpage for your pop-client.

SPGV> Where can I get PINE source code ?

>From the U of Washington:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/index.html

or any good ftp server near you.

Cheers,
Robin

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>> "MO" == Megan Oliver <[email protected]> writes:

MO> Hello, I was wondering if it was possible to hack into someone's
MO> computer and redirect the mail that is sent out. I'm not asking
MO> how to do it, just if it is possible.

Read the email faq.

MO> My friend, Joanne, sent an emial out a friend in Colorado.

Ummm... yeah, sure... But that's a different matter entirely. emials
are kinda dangerous. You shouldn't have done that, you know...

MO> A kid on campus, Chris, apparently received this email.

Child abuse...

MO> So, we sent out another email to the kid in Colorado

Now, that was *really* clever...

MO> and it said it was from Chris.

A talking emial? Woah!

MO> I went into her computer

You must be kinda small...

MO> and found that he had put his name in the netscape "from mail
MO> preferences".

Naughty little computer that one...

MO> Is it possible for him to access my email account?

No. Computers don't do that...

MO> Please reply soon!!

Err... no?

Cheers,
Robin

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On 19 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

87778787451254778777777777856
>
> >> "MO" == Megan Oliver <[email protected]> writes:
>
> MO> Hello, I was wondering if it was possible to hack into someone's
> MO> computer and redirect the mail that is sent out. I'm not asking
> MO> how to do it, just if it is possible.
>
> Read the email faq.
>
> MO> My friend, Joanne, sent an emial out a friend in Colorado.
>
> Ummm... yeah, sure... But that's a different matter entirely. emials
> are kinda dangerous. You shouldn't have done that, you know...
>
> MO> A kid on campus, Chris, apparently received this email.
>
> Child abuse...
>
> MO> So, we sent out another email to the kid in Colorado
>
> Now, that was *really* clever...
>
> MO> and it said it was from Chris.
>
> A talking emial? Woah!
>
> MO> I went into her computer
>
> You must be kinda small...
>
> MO> and found that he had put his name in the netscape "from mail
> MO> preferences".
>
> Naughty little computer that one...
>
> MO> Is it possible for him to access my email account?
>
> No. Computers don't do that...
>
> MO> Please reply soon!!
>
> Err... no?
>
> Cheers,
> Robin
>
> --
> Robin S. Socha, M.A.
> Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
> "They don't let you teach there, do they?"
> Annelise Anderson in comp.mail.pine
>

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On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Lea wrote:

> On 19 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>
> 87778787451254778777777777856

Yeah. Um.
Well. See, what happened is I spilled coffee on my keyboard.
And grabbed a napkin, and tried to blot it up
whilst in the middle of composing a reply which, of course
was addressed to the list.
Sigh. Sorry.
It's Friday.

Lea

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"Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]> writes:
> >> "P" == Pjester21 <[email protected]> writes:
> P> i am looking for BenHex 4.0 if u can help please let me know
> Unlike binhex decoders, BenHex 4.0's are *really* hard to get. First,
> get yourself a dead pig. Then take your head (provided you have one)
> and firmly attach it to the corpse's pigs. Count to 10 and see if the
> BenHex 4.0 has appeared in the meantime.
I don't get it. I got the dead pig. I then tried to attach my head
to the pig's pigs as you instructed above. Unfortunately, the corpse
is a pig. Pigs don't have pigs - they are pigs. I tried holding my
head above the pig and counting to 10, but that didn't work either.

I'm so confused.

Matt

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On 19 Sep 1997, Matt Simmons wrote:

> "Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]> writes:
> > >> "P" == Pjester21 <[email protected]> writes:
> > P> i am looking for BenHex 4.0 if u can help please let me know
> > Unlike binhex decoders, BenHex 4.0's are *really* hard to get. First,
> > get yourself a dead pig. Then take your head (provided you have one)
> > and firmly attach it to the corpse's pigs. Count to 10 and see if the
> > BenHex 4.0 has appeared in the meantime.
> I don't get it. I got the dead pig. I then tried to attach my head
> to the pig's pigs as you instructed above. Unfortunately, the corpse
> is a pig. Pigs don't have pigs - they are pigs. I tried holding my
> head above the pig and counting to 10, but that didn't work either.
> I'm so confused.

Understandably so, since Robin's instructions were less than
clear. You don't want a real pig, see. You want a virtual pig,
such that you can then visualize whatever attachments you want,
including, but not limited to, additional pigs (aka piglets in
some local vernaculars). Did you try counting to ten in a
language other than English? I find that Slavic languages -
doesn't matter which one - work best.

Or, you could just be grateful you're not the guy who wrote me
and asked why my Pine Tutorial didn't cover how to have Pine send
a message to his cellphone when he gets new mail.

Lea

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Who can say me , where i can find the Pine/pico bin for irix 6.2

please, i need that...

Thanx.

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>> "MS" == Matt Simmons schrieb am 19 Sep 1997 15:03:14 -0500:

MS> I don't get it. I got the dead pig. I then tried to attach my
MS> head to the pig's pigs as you instructed above. Unfortunately,
MS> the corpse is a pig. Pigs don't have pigs - they are pigs.

My fault - I screwed up... It's the pig's _bowels_ of course. I'm
terribly sorry for the distress I've caused you. You know, sometimes
it sucks to be me. Hehehe...

MS> I tried holding my head above the pig and counting to 10, but that
MS> didn't work either.

Umm, yeah, sorry...

MS> I'm so confused.

ME TOO!!! (c) aol --- I cannot get random-sig to work. Write an FM
and leave the pigs for the aol-DuDEz.

Later,
Robin

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>> Regarding Re: decoder; Lea <[email protected]> adds:

L> On 19 Sep 1997, Matt Simmons wrote:
>> I don't get it. [...] I'm so confused.

L> Understandably so, since Robin's instructions were less than clear.

Yeah, keep rubbing it in...

L> You don't want a real pig, see.

Of course he does. He's an elisp programmer. Dead chicken don't have
enough magick.

L> You want a virtual pig, such that you can then visualize whatever
L> attachments you want, including, but not limited to, additional pigs
L> (aka piglets in some local vernaculars).

Did it ever occur to you that a vernacular is "local" by
definition. Watch out for Hannes Kniffka, Indigenous Grammar in
Culture-Contrastive Perspective...

L> Or, you could just be grateful you're not the guy who wrote me and
L> asked why my Pine Tutorial didn't cover how to have Pine send a
L> message to his cellphone when he gets new mail.

Procmail. No prob that one... Hehehe...

What a pleasant evening.

Robin

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Subject: Bug (ID CB9WM): Message "Could not load /usr/lpp/sde/bin/hdlgui"

I got the above message when trying to run "build clean" (or "build" with
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I was able to install pine on an ULTRIX system and two SGI (IRIX) systems
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Any ideas would be appreciated.

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(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
(0x0020)
i (0x0069)
e (0x0065)
i (0x0069)
RETURN (0x000d)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
r (0x0072)
n (0x006e)
DEL (0x007f)
n (0x006e)
y (0x0079)
s (0x0073)
RETURN (0x000d)
i (0x0069)
x (0x0078)
n (0x006e)
n (0x006e)
c (0x0063)
y (0x0079)
n (0x006e)
n (0x006e)
e (0x0065)
n (0x006e)
e (0x0065)
w (0x0077)
s (0x0073)
2 (0x0032)
RETURN (0x000d)
o (0x006f)
d (0x0064)
n (0x006e)
x (0x0078)
n (0x006e)
m (0x006d)
b (0x0062)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
B (0x0042)
ESC (0x001b)
[ (0x005b)
A (0x0041)
s (0x0073)

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JB> I want to set the option mail-check-interval to 0 and manually
JB> tell pine when to check for new mail. I cannot seem to find the
JB> key sequence to perform a new-mail check, is there one?

>From the tech-notes:

New Mail Notification

Pine checks for new mail in the INBOX and in the currently open
folder at least every two and a half minutes. It used to be 30
seconds instead of 150 seconds, but we increased it in order to
reduce the load on large systems with lots of Pine users. The value
can be changed at compile-time in the pine/os.h file. If you really
don't want to wait you can force a new mail check by pressing N
Next with the cursor on the last message of the message index or by
redrawing the screen with a ^L.

When there is new mail, the message(s) will appear in the index,
the screen will beep, and a notice showing the sender and subject
will be displayed. If there has been more than one new message
since you last issued a command to Pine, the notice will show the
count of new messages and the sender of the most recent one.

Is that what you're looking for?

Robin

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On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, James Boorn wrote:

> I want to set the option mail-check-interval to 0 and manually
> tell pine when to check for new mail. I cannot seem to find the
> key sequence to perform a new-mail check, is there one?

Control-L when viewing the Index of the Inbox.

-jeff
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Lea <[email protected]> writes:
> On 19 Sep 1997, Matt Simmons wrote:
> > "Robin S. Socha" <[email protected]> writes:
> > > >> "P" == Pjester21 <[email protected]> writes:
> > > P> i am looking for BenHex 4.0 if u can help please let me know
> > > Unlike binhex decoders, BenHex 4.0's are *really* hard to get. First,
> > > get yourself a dead pig. Then take your head (provided you have one)
> > > and firmly attach it to the corpse's pigs. Count to 10 and see if the
> > > BenHex 4.0 has appeared in the meantime.
> > I don't get it. I got the dead pig. I then tried to attach my head
> > to the pig's pigs as you instructed above. Unfortunately, the corpse
> > is a pig. Pigs don't have pigs - they are pigs. I tried holding my
> > head above the pig and counting to 10, but that didn't work either.
> > I'm so confused.
> Or, you could just be grateful you're not the guy who wrote me
> and asked why my Pine Tutorial didn't cover how to have Pine send
> a message to his cellphone when he gets new mail.
Oh course it can't. That's version 4! *plonk*

Matt

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>> Matt Simmons writes:
MS> Lea <[email protected]> writes:
>> Or, you could just be grateful you're not the guy who wrote me and
>> asked why my Pine Tutorial didn't cover how to have Pine send a
>> message to his cellphone when he gets new mail.
MS> Oh course it can't. That's version 4! *plonk*

Watch who you're plonking, DuDE. Lea's special, and you'll miss a lot
of funny comments. Well maybe not so many, but still funny.

At least you stoopid sigfile thingie is kinda working now...
C-u 100 M-x all-hail-xemacs... Geez, what a night... *yawn*

Laterz,
Robin

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I get an error message on PINE every time I try to view an attachment.
The FAQ doesn't seem to have any help for me. What do I do? (PLS RSVP to
me personally.)

_____

here is an anti-virus thing that is totally real

>BCC: [email protected]
>From: [email protected]
>
>Okay, this is an anti-anti-Virus letter. At least five times a month, I
get these things in my mailbox. I'm not going to combine them all. It's
not worth it. People will tell you: "Don't open "PENPAL GREETINGS" or
"JOIN THE CREW" -- it will wipe out your hard drive." I finally went out
of my way to phone computer representatives and computer geeks all over
the country to find out about these things. So from me (and them) to you
is what you REALLY should do when you receive an anti-Virus letter, and
what a REAL e-mail virus looks like.
>
>A REAL E-MAIL VIRUS: Is an unsolicited e-mail from an address that you
don't recognize (unless you have really warped friends) that contains an
executable file as an attachment -- either in *.exe or *.zip form.
Downloading this message will NOT harm your computer -- what WILL harm
your computer is trying to run that file. (MORAL: Do not even read mail
with attachments from people you don't know. Just erase it.)
>
>WHAT YOU DO IF YOU RECEIVE THESE FAKE E-MAIL VIRUS WARNINGS: Tell them
the same thing I just told you. And even better, mail them back their
original letter saying, "Don't send me this lying garbage." The people
who start these anti-virus letters do NOT work for AOL or IBM or
anything like that. (IBM doesn't do Internet anyways.) They're people
who either thought they heard something on the radio, or they're just
trying to start a panic. It takes a computer genius to make a real
e-mail virus, and even THEY can't set one up that will destroy your
computer if you download a message WITH NO ATTACHMENT. If they could,
then you would never even GET to read it. A lot of e-mail programs
(PINE, Eudora, Netscape, Pegasus, etc) download the messages
automatically -- you would be screwed even before you knew it was there
if that kind of e-mail virus were possible.
>
>If you REALLY want to forward something useful, forward this. People
will be much happier to see this than they would be to see yet ANOTHER
fake anti-virus warning.
>
>*The information for this letter was obtained from computer
professionals, including many who have made viruses in the past, and
others who have removed them from computers. The addresses this mail is
being sent to were obtained from three chain anti-virus warnings I
received today. Anti-spam (including anti-chain letter) comments can be
left at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/5894 .*
>
>********************************
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- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
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- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

- The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
(from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]

The messages from this mailing list/newsgroup are archived. These archives
can be accessed:

- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/
(includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information
on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

- From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and
choose Add Value) as:
*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of your Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Sep 21 03:00:05 PDT 1997

-----------------------------------
Pine development and support team
University of Washington
Computing & Communications
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Hi, recently I thinking of forward a copy of my email to other acount,
so I check though this Q & A section, discover that I need to have a
forward file, I'm very new in pine, so I do not how to create this
forward file, so can any one can tell me how to create this file?

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Please send a list of world wide mailing address.
thank you
S S DEVROY

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I've lost the message about how to unsubscribe and/or subscribe to this
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unsubscribe from my old, and subscribe from my new addresses. Such a
simple thing for some, and yet for others seems tedious, <grin> however
the data is still appreciated similarly. Thanks!

Curtis Delzer H.S. WB6HEF

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Dear Sir,

Can U please tell me as to how to remove the message from the saved
messages. It is a read only file and it does seems to be deleting.

Also any messages composed is also not going to sent message folder
as it is showing "No room for file: Disc quota exceeded.

RGDS/Kavi Shahani.

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Hi,

The time that is shown on a mail is the sending time.

Is there a way to find when the mail arrived to my computer ?

Thanks,

Yossi.

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On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Yossi Itzkovich wrote:

-The time that is shown on a mail is the sending time.
-Is there a way to find when the mail arrived to my computer ?

Lots of time stamps
can be admired in the

full header mode.

Just press 'h' - like header.
h is a switch.
Press 'h' again to switch off the full header command.

If this should not work,
you will have to
enable the full header command
in your PINE Setup:

type meaning
------------------------------------------------------
m main menu
s setup
c configuration
w header <ENTER> looking for header
x enable-full-header-command
e exit setup
------------------------------------------------------
h try 'h' again (full header)
------------------------------------------------------

Cheers,
hbk :-)
----------------------------------------------------------
[email protected]

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Hi -

"Out of free storage" etc messages are usually referring to being our of
available *RAM* storage. That is, your system doesn't have enough
available _memory_ for Pine to be able to open the requested folder; it's
probably too big. (Or, if you are accessing the folder over an IMAP
connection, the problem is likely to be on the IMAP server system.)

Cheers,

--
Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, kapay kapay ka wrote:

>
>
> > kkk> am using pine 3.95 and is encountering this error message "out of
> > kkk> free storage" when trying to open INBOX, or "can't resize free
> > kkk> storage" in accessing a folder say 'sent-mail', where in fact i
> > kkk> have a huge free space. what seems to be the problem with my
> > kkk> system?.. any idea on how to fix this?
> >
> > Sure -- your local help desk. Most likely your disk quota is
> > exceeded. Don't bother asking, just "man quota".
>
> nahhh... don't have disk quota... am the administrator and i didn't enable
> disk quota.....
>
> |art|
>
>

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On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Yossi Itzkovich wrote:

> On 14 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>
> > You cannot run more than one pine session at a time, due to the arcane
> > file locking mechanisms it uses. Your second session is trying to
> > "override" the lock and pine write-protects both sessions.

Ummmm.... actually what _should_ happen is this:

The second Pine session spots that the mailbox is already in use by
another mail client. It then "negotiates" write-access to the mailbox,
leaving the previous client with read-only access. A suitable message is
displayed to this effect.

However if file locking isn't working properly on your system the second
Pine _doesn't_ spot the previous instance of a mail client. Instead they
both happily try to use/update the mail folder. Fortunately Pine's
defensive behaviour {always? usually?} spots the conflict and one or both
end up with the folder getting unceremoniously closed dues to "an access
error".

The effct is the same however: only one Pine session can have write-access
to a folder at any given time.

> Thanks Robin for the explanation, but you didn't give me any answer to my
> question:
>
> Is there a way to tell pine to try to open INBOX again (after there is
> one pine session again) , or the only solution is just to quit and restart ?

In the case of the INBOX you must quit out of and then re-run Pine.

Cheers,

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On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, CDA-Guwahati wrote:

> Please send a list of world wide mailing address.

There is no such animal....

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The "N" symbol in against a message in _any_ folder (including the
sent-mail folder) means that _you_ have not read the message stored there.
It is not, as I suspect you had hoped, an indicator of whether the
recipient has read the message or not.

There is no guaranteed way of gaining such information (short of asking
the person in question by phone or in person!). Many people/sites view
the provision of such notification an invasion of privacy.

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Maurie R Negrin wrote:

> What does "N" mean next to messages in my sent-mail folder? Is this a way
> to tell if a sent message has been read? Thanks
> P.S. Or, is there another way to tell if a sent message has been read?
>
>

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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Sean C Walsh wrote:
>
> > i was just wondering how can you select certain people from your
> > address book and put those people into one big group so all you have to
> > type is one name and the message will be sent to all of them? how would i
> > go about doing that in my address book?
>
> It is an iterative process.
>
> 1. Create a new entry in the addressbook with the name of the "list" as
> the alias. (You may have to put starter entry there.)
>
> 2. Find the one of the people in your addressbook you'd like to have in
> the list.
>
> 3. Use t(ake) and enter the alias name created in #1. You'll be asked to
> "replace or append". Choose "append".
>
> 4. Go to #2.
>
> Ed

An easier solution...

1. Create a new entry in the address book with the name of the "list" as
the alias (along with a descriptive "full name").

2. Put the cursor on the "Address:" line and type:
^T ... go to the Address Book screen
L ... enter List Mode

3. Select the people you want including using the Arrow and "X" keys.
Then type S (Select). This will enter the selected addresses into the
"Address:" line of your new Address Book entry.

4. Save the new entry by typing ^X (eXit/Save).

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To whom it may concern:
I have been currently experiencing problems with my pine e-mail. When
logging on to pine I get an error message that says "Error in
configuration." Could you please get back to me with information in
regards to fixing this problem?
Thank you so much,
Desiree Williams
University of Pittsburgh

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could you possibly help, I would like to find out how to receive
international emails via the email u back services, that when you request
information via the email you do not contact anybody but there machine
sends you information back to your email address.

Jason Edmondson | Tel : +44 (0)1484 517077
H. Charlesworth & Co. Ltd, 254 Deighton Road| Fax : +44 (0)1484 425439
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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Eduardo Egues wrote:

Hi all:

I posted messages below a few days ago and haven't answers, it was sent to
pine-bugs too and never answers was received, please is anybody have any
idea?

I'm trying configure Pine 3.96 with some security requires suchs as no
shells pipes commands and i got /etc/passwd typing $HOME/work//etc/passwd
although use-current-directory was set (without work directory fixed);
however if work-directory is set to "$HOME/work" i can't write some in
anywhere including dead.letter, sent-saved, etc.

I need:

-users can sent mails without write problems
-users write only on work directory
-don't export files outside of root work directory and tree

Is this posible? How.

Thanks in advance

E.

Note: Please answer must be sent to me cause i'm not post on this list yet

---------------------------
Eduardo Egues
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Message before wasn't a reply; it is a big question, here you get it again

Bye

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Eduardo Egues
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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Eduardo Egues wrote:

Hi all:

I posted messages below a few days ago and haven't answers, it was sent to
pine-bugs too and never answers was received, please is anybody have any
idea?

I'm trying configure Pine 3.96 with some security requires suchs as no
shells pipes commands and i got /etc/passwd typing $HOME/work//etc/passwd
although use-current-directory was set (without work directory fixed);
however if work-directory is set to "$HOME/work" i can't write some in
anywhere including dead.letter, sent-saved, etc.

I need:

-users can sent mails without write problems
-users write only on work directory
-don't export files outside of root work directory and tree

Is this posible? How.

Thanks in advance

E.

Note: Please answer must be sent to me cause i'm not post on this list yet

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Eduardo Egues
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Attached is a response to Eduardo's questions. Seems he can't be emailed.

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553 mail.infocom.etecsa.cu. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 <[email protected]>... Local configuration error

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On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Eduardo Egues wrote:

> I'm trying configure Pine 3.96 with some security requires suchs as no
> shells pipes commands and i got /etc/passwd typing $HOME/work//etc/passwd
> although use-current-directory was set (without work directory fixed);
> however if work-directory is set to "$HOME/work" i can't write some in
> anywhere including dead.letter, sent-saved, etc.

There are 2 extra files used by pine for configuration information. I'm
sorry but I don't have the source code available at the moment to tell you
exactly....but you can consult the source to find their names. I beleive
the names are /etc/pine.conf and /etc/pine.fixed. The pine.conf is a
"global" configuration file. When pine is started it will set a users'
setting (which are not set in the personal .pinerc file) to vaules in the
pine.conf. Then there is the /etc/pine.fixed file. This will
unconditionally set values in a users' configuration. So, if you have the
parameter for the "pipe" command in that file and it is "disabled" then
users will not be able to enable the pipe command.

> I need:
>
> -users can sent mails without write problems
> -users write only on work directory
> -don't export files outside of root work directory and tree
>
> Is this posible? How.

For these, you'll need to have users default shell to be a restricted
shell. You'll need to consult your system's man pages. One restricted
shell is "rsh". But when you check the man page...be careful. There are
2 rsh commands. One is "restricted shell" while the other is "remote
shell"

Hope this gets you started.

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FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C
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A copy of an editor buffer of your file "/home1/zjcw/.letter"
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This buffer can be retrieved using the "recover" command of the editor.
An easy way to do this is to give the command "vi -r /home1/zjcw/.letter".
This works for "edit" and "ex" also.

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hello arorn

just testing

it bridget

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I have the same problem so please let me know the address if
anyone can help. thanks. rc

On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Curtis Delzer wrote:

> I've lost the message about how to unsubscribe and/or subscribe to this
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> unsubscribe from my old, and subscribe from my new addresses. Such a
> simple thing for some, and yet for others seems tedious, <grin> however
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Pine complains of the above after sending mail to a recipient.
any idea what's causing this?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but i was just wondering whether anyone knows
how to configure fetchmail to automatically retrieve msgs from the remote
server say, every 10 minutes. and then inform me of new mail. TIA for any
replies.

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On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, . wrote:

> Pine complains of the above after sending mail to a recipient.
> any idea what's causing this?

More likely, sendmail (or your local MTA, if not sendmail) or another
process is complaining- not Pine. Does this occur with all mail clients on
your system, or just pine?

Best of luck,

-jeff
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On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Jeff wrote:

> Thanks for using NetForward!
> http://www.netforward.com
> v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, . wrote:
>
> > Pine complains of the above after sending mail to a recipient.
> > any idea what's causing this?
>
> More likely, sendmail (or your local MTA, if not sendmail) or another
> process is complaining- not Pine. Does this occur with all mail clients on
> your system, or just pine?
>
> Best of luck,
>
> -jeff
> --
> Jeff - [email protected]
> PGP Public Key available at http://tcnet.org/~jeff/pubkey.txt
>
>

i fixed it. you were right. it was sendmail.
thanks for the reply.

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Hello,
Pine as installed at Fermilab seems to have a global addressbook with
a rather large number of entries but we cannot locate it to update it.
Pine has been supported by a series of people all of whom have left the
lab. The behavior is the following. There are a number of usernames
which I can specify in the To: field when composing a message and they
get expanded to include the full name even when I have no local
addressbook. E.g. in the Cc : field of this message, I entered only
"thatcher". The "Roy Thatcher" prefixing the internet address (with the
default domain added) appeared as soon as I moved the cursor from the
header area. I should add that there are many user names for which the
expansion occurs BUT NOT ALL. I had assumed that one of the people who
set up pine a few years ago, created a global addressbook but I cannot
find one.
Here is what I do find:
1) In my own setup/config there is no global address book set.
2) If I check all the environment variable, only two have 'pine'
in the variable name or its definition:
a) PATH
b) PINE_DIR which is the top level of the directories in which pine is
stored
c) We are running Pine 3.95
d) In the subdirectory, lib, of PINE_DIR, I find the file pine.conf
but it has no global address book set.

Regards,
Roy
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Sorry, didn't mean to send last message. Finally found that it is using
the password file. I got fooled at first because I was on a node that
was using the YP passwd file on another node. I had grepped for a name
that got expanded on the local /etc/passwd file and the name was missing.

Regards,
Roy
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Subject: Mysterious addressbook

Hello,
Pine as installed at Fermilab seems to have a global addressbook with
a rather large number of entries but we cannot locate it to update it.
Pine has been supported by a series of people all of whom have left the
lab. The behavior is the following. There are a number of usernames
which I can specify in the To: field when composing a message and they
get expanded to include the full name even when I have no local
addressbook. E.g. in the Cc : field of this message, I entered only
"thatcher". The "Roy Thatcher" prefixing the internet address (with the
default domain added) appeared as soon as I moved the cursor from the
header area. I should add that there are many user names for which the
expansion occurs BUT NOT ALL. I had assumed that one of the people who
set up pine a few years ago, created a global addressbook but I cannot
find one.
Here is what I do find:
1) In my own setup/config there is no global address book set.
2) If I check all the environment variable, only two have 'pine'
in the variable name or its definition:
a) PATH
b) PINE_DIR which is the top level of the directories in which pine is
stored
c) We are running Pine 3.95
d) In the subdirectory, lib, of PINE_DIR, I find the file pine.conf
but it has no global address book set.

Regards,
Roy
=========================================================================
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=========================================================================

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Hello, when I opened the 'pine', it shows an error message of saving
configuration on the bottom of window and I can't send out email using pine.
Could you tell me the problem and how can I use it correctly?

Thanks.

Xiangping Zhu
Rutgers University

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Hi to ye all,

please, don't mind, if this should seem somewhat
off-topic at first sight. Anyway, here's the problem:

I'd like to read (import) an HTML page into a pine letter.
The HTML pages we are talking about contain almost nothing but pure HTML text.
No problem, you may say, it's ascii anyway.
But I need it simply readable for a recipient who has no browser at hand.
So the results should be
HTML ---> pure ASCII-7
Can anyone tell me where to get some sort of script, sed, awk or other
to eliminate all those HTML-tags ? Any useful hints welcome.

Please direct replies to me,
if you consider this to be too off-topic

TIA !
hal :-)
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>> "HB" == H Bork <[email protected]> writes:

HB> I'd like to read (import) an HTML page into a pine letter. The
HB> HTML pages we are talking about contain almost nothing but pure
HB> HTML text. No problem, you may say, it's ascii anyway. But I
HB> need it simply readable for a recipient who has no browser at
HB> hand. So the results should be HTML ---> pure ASCII-7 Can anyone
HB> tell me where to get some sort of script, sed, awk or other to
HB> eliminate all those HTML-tags ? Any useful hints welcome.

Netrape, save as ascii

lynx -dump > filename

The latter is to be preferred as it can be used in a script.

Later,
Robin

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Hello! :)

I wish to send my mail through a SMTP server that doesn't have the
same account name that I have here at work. When I log at work, my userid
is mlepage, but on my SMTP server (mail.iname.com), its not the same... Is
there anyway to fix this other than by setting the "return address"
option to the right address? :) Thanks! :)

Martin Lepage
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I have a friend that is using pine Email on a UNIX system. He has the
problem that every time he sends a message Pine sends it twice. I was
wondering if you would know what could be causing this problem.

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'Got another question.. how do i download "skipped" msgs? Im using pop btw

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I have heard that there is a way to forward incoming messages from one
pine acct. to another.

I would appreciate any information on this subject.

God Bless,

Patrick E. Hazlewood
1322 W. Cleveland
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On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Patrick E. Hazlewood wrote:

>
> I have heard that there is a way to forward incoming messages from one
> pine acct. to another.
>
> I would appreciate any information on this subject.

First off, this is not a feature of Pine, but of your local MTA or MDA.
The basics with most implementations are to create a file called .forward
in your home directory, consisting of the address you wish to forward
mail to. If you need help creating this file, contact your local support
personnel.

Best of luck,

-jeff

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I am using a machine running BSD 3.0 and Pine 3.95. I am receiving the
following error and ultimately a core dump when I try to enter Pine.

Problem detected: "Can't resize free storage".
Pine exiting.
Abort trap

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Hello,
I am requesting the configuration guides within my pine 3.95 program to
access www sites. I am familiar with most of the configuration features
within pine, but still need some help with the correct enabling of exact
protocall for calling up web sites. Please write with reply???
Thank You, Sincerely, Mike McQuaid

Michael J Mcquaid,<[email protected]>

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I have a friend whose ISP is providing Pine 3.96 and she is absolutely
unable to get aggregate commands to work. It's marked as enabled in the
configuration, but when she goes to her inbox index and hits the
semicolon, she gets a message that the semicolon isn't available there.
I've heard rumors that 3.96 has some bugs and that some providers have
moved back to 3.95as a result...is there a known bug with aggregate
commands in 3.96?

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
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Most of you are familiar with pgppine and papp.

A friend of mine and I have taken a copy of papp and performed practically
a total rewrite on it. The program has many of the old features, like
saving your password encrypted in a session key, but also has some handy
new features, and MUCH more readable output. If you would like to help us
test it (We haven't found any bugs in it with pine v3.96 and pgp v2.6.2),
just drop me a line. NOTE: this program is available by request only
until beta testing is completed, then we will post the perl
script wherever.

NOTE: be sure to include something in the Subject of your message
pertaining to beta testing, as my mailbox gets flooded from time to time.

Also, any suggestions as to other places to go for beta testers
would be appreciated.

Thank You,
Patrick Farabee

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how can i access email from my suncoast free net account in fla.
which is part of pine
if i am in new york
Frank Murphy, Rockefeller University

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Dear Guys,

This may seem like a silly question but how do you save from PINE to a
disk?.

I know you`re thinking that this is so easy that the staff at this system
should know how to do this.....well, that`s just it! They have no idea...
You`ll notice I`m comming to you from Japan...and I`m really glad that our
printers are on line most of the time........these people are really new
with this whole computer business and they know nothing about your e-mail
(pine)....

They use Mac`s here.....and if there is any way you could tell me how to
save my mail to a disk I would really appreciate it.....so would about 300
other international students....

I would not write this e-mail if I did not think that it was absolutely
necessary......and my last option.

HELP Please!

Sincerely yours

Nino

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Hello,
I read about pine .
But I can't understand properly pine.
please tell me more about pine.
please try to send response.

Bye
India

m

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On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Mr. Bhavesh J. Bhatt wrote:

> I read about pine .
> But I can't understand properly pine.
> please tell me more about pine.
> please try to send response.

What is it you don't understand? Maybe asking specific questions
would be more helpful...

Lea
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Hi:

We have just installed AIX 4.2 upgrade on IBM RS6K and find
that pine hangs during sendmail when ran from a telnet window.

When ran from an xwindow there is no problem.

BTM: Am sending this from a different machine.

Thanks

Rubin

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I have an Epson Stylus 200, When I try to Print it goes through the
motions, makes all the correct noises, and hands me a blank sheet of paper,
I dont need a new ink cartridge, and I have just bought a new Cable, in
case that was the problem, but it hasn't helped. I'd really appreciate any
help anyone can give me.

Your's Hopefully

Neil Munro, Carnoustie Scotland

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what's the best way to keep an address book ?

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Try cleaning the print heads. As I remember this is a control panel function but I do not have a printer handy here to check it out.

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From: Neil Munro
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 1:10 PM
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: Printer Problem

I have an Epson Stylus 200, When I try to Print it goes through the
motions, makes all the correct noises, and hands me a blank sheet of paper,
I dont need a new ink cartridge, and I have just bought a new Cable, in
case that was the problem, but it hasn't helped. I'd really appreciate any
help anyone can give me.

Your's Hopefully

Neil Munro, Carnoustie Scotland

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I dont know what the hot mail service did to my in-box.But they erase my whole
Messages.How could i get it back please,Help me.
Where could i get my old messages and new once.
I appriciate your kind consideration
>From [email protected]

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Thank you for your interest in helping us test pine2pgp :)

You can find more information, as well as info about our pgp discussion
group (or beginnings of such) at:

http://www.indy.net/~rainbolt/pgpindy/

Please do not hand out the URL or the script (a link to which you can
find on the index page or at http://www.indy.net/~rainbolt/pgpindy/pine2pgp)
as it is still in the testing stage and we would like to keep a list of
everyone testing it.

If you are interested in becoming part of our discussion group, send me
another email in reference to such and I will pass the message along.

Again, thanks for your help :)

Patrick Farabee

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On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Noone Special wrote:

> Thank you for your interest in helping us test pine2pgp :)
>
> You can find more information, as well as info about our pgp discussion
> group (or beginnings of such) at:

Boy, do I feel lame.. The original letter I sent requesting beta testers
made it into the response group. When I replied to it, I replied to the
whole group :) If anyone is interested in participating, please do not go
directly to the site listed. Send me email first so that I can keep track
of how many people are testing, etc. Those of you that have already done
so, thanks for your interest :)

Patrick Farabee

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On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Micheal Perkins wrote:

> what's the best way to keep an address book ?

Neatly and in alphabetical order.

Ed

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On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Lilian wrote:

> I dont know what the hot mail service did to my in-box.But they erase my whole
> Messages.How could i get it back please,Help me.
> Where could i get my old messages and new once.
> I appriciate your kind consideration

The "hotmail" system doesn't use the "pine" user agent.

Contact the helpdesk of hotmail and ask their advice.

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On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, ZDUNIC_Nino wrote:

> Dear Guys,

There are some "gals" here to....so be careful. :-)

> They use Mac`s here.....and if there is any way you could tell me how to
> save my mail to a disk I would really appreciate it.....so would about 300
> other international students....

There's have your problem there....

You are using a MAC, yes? But you are using pine on a Unix box running
an OS of SVR4. So, you must be connecting to that Unix box via some means
(telnet?, dialup?, direct-connect?) logging on to the Unix box and typing
"pine" to start a pine session. How am I doing so far?

What you'd like is to save a message to your MAC disk, right?

Well, when you use the "save" or "export" commands within pine it will
place the message on the Unix disk. Do you know how to list or view files
on the Unix box?

You need to determine the best way to get the file from the Unix box to
you MAC. That could be as simple as FTP. Do the folks there know about
FTP?

> I would not write this e-mail if I did not think that it was absolutely
> necessary......and my last option.

I think we may be half way there. Or maybe you can fill in the blanks and
come up with a solution? If not, let me know.

Regards,
Ed

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I just found out that the gateway between the pine-info mailing list
and the comp.mail.pine newsgroup has been down for the last 2-3
months. Since most readers/subscribers seem to be unaware of this, I
am wondering what action people would like to see taken. As I see it,
the choices, and some questions, are:

- Shut down the pine-info mailing list, thus removing a bit of
list-management load from the Pine Team (namely me ;-)

- Leave the gateway down and document the separation. What
should the charter of each be?

- Find someone to re-establish the gateway. Any volunteers?

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My previous e-mail was on PINE on the SouthEast Florida Library Info
Network (SEFLIN) (Dade county), Is there any way for me to access it from
my Caltech account?

Thank's for your help!!

Jennifer

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I've been able to get this working, but am wondering if there's any way I
can get around the fact that Pine assigns a default file name and
extension that remains the same from file to file, meaning that unless I
manually rename each file after it's been downloaded, I can't download
another one.

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
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I'm currently using "hotmail" on the wild-wild-web, I recently changed
my address and I'm wondering how to forward my mail? I greatly need
assistance! I have urgent messages out there that people have mailed to
my old address and I need desperatly to get all email forwarded to my
new address.

Please help.

chuck allen IV

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>> "CAI" == Chuck Allen IV <[email protected]> writes:

CAI> I'm currently using "hotmail" on the wild-wild-web, I recently
CAI> changed my address and I'm wondering how to forward my mail? I
CAI> greatly need assistance! I have urgent messages out there that
CAI> people have mailed to my old address and I need desperatly to get
CAI> all email forwarded to my new address.

man forward

Robin

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On 26 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> >> "CAI" == Chuck Allen IV <[email protected]> writes:
>
> CAI> I'm currently using "hotmail" on the wild-wild-web, I recently
> CAI> changed my address and I'm wondering how to forward my mail? I
> CAI> greatly need assistance! I have urgent messages out there that
> CAI> people have mailed to my old address and I need desperatly to get
> CAI> all email forwarded to my new address.
>
> man forward

May not work well for them "hotmail" users. If "hotmail" is anything like
"rocketmail" you use a "web" UA and don't have access to any shell type
abilities. So, them there "hotmail" users may have to ask the admins
to set up a forward in their behalf.

Ed

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>> Regarding Re: forwarding email; Edward M Greshko
>> <[email protected]> adds:

EMG> On 26 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>> >> "CAI" == Chuck Allen IV <[email protected]> writes:
CAI> I'm currently using "hotmail" on the wild-wild-web [snip]
>> man forward
EMG> May not work well for them "hotmail" users. If "hotmail" is
EMG> anything like "rocketmail" you use a "web" UA and don't have
EMG> access to any shell type abilities. So, them there "hotmail"
EMG> users may have to ask the admins to set up a forward in their
EMG> behalf.

Geez, how could I ever forget that... Silly me... But - what admins? I
thought hotmail was a badly written script?

Later,
Robin

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Please send me information about how Pine works.
Please answer me soon.

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>> "BDF" == Bertha Duarte Favela <[email protected]> writes:

BDF> Please send me information about how Pine works. Please answer
BDF> me soon.

Sure...

http://www.washington.edu/pine

And if you need something you can actually print out:

http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine.html

Marvellous site... Hehe...

Later,
Robin

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Hello, all,

Here's a thing I'm trying to figure out. I set up pine on the server
Scott, but I want my return address to reflect the server Martin, where
the mail comes in anyway. I have an auto-forward from Martin to Scott,
so that it sends the mail there, but when I send a message out from
Scott, I want it to look like it came from Martin. Any ideas out there?

Thanks!

Tarnished Silence
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>> "p" == prallena <Tarnished> writes:

p> Hello, all, Here's a thing I'm trying to figure out. I set up
p> pine on the server Scott, but I want my return address to reflect
p> the server Martin, where the mail comes in anyway. I have an
p> auto-forward from Martin to Scott, so that it sends the mail
p> there, but when I send a message out from Scott, I want it to
p> look like it came from Martin. Any ideas out there?

Look up deja news and the tex-notes for information on how to set
up the from: line (aka "forging the header" }:->). You'll need to
recompile pine with a certain switch the name of which is buried in
the documentation.

Cheers,
Robin

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Hi all!

I just noticed that in Pine 3.96 for UNIX systems, the user root (still)
cannot create a private .addressbook as long as the home directory is "/".

Unless I'm overlooking something, fixing the problem just takes changing a
single line:

*** pine3.96/pine/adrbklib.c.org Mon Feb 24 22:57:13 1997
--- pine3.96/pine/adrbklib.c Fri Sep 26 17:52:31 1997
***************
*** 257,263 ****
if(p = last_cmpnt(ab->filename)){
strncpy(path, ab->filename, p - ab->filename - 1);
path[p - ab->filename - 1] = '\0';
! p = path;
}
else
p = ".";
--- 257,263 ----
if(p = last_cmpnt(ab->filename)){
strncpy(path, ab->filename, p - ab->filename - 1);
path[p - ab->filename - 1] = '\0';
! p = (*path) ? path : "/";
}
else
p = ".";

The change at least makes my UnixWare system quite happy :-)

Pine Team: could you please confirm that this change is sane? If so, I'd
like inform a certain vendor that this fix be included on the version they
plan to distribute.

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards,

- Richard Gering.

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This is how we've fixed that for pine 4.00. This gets rid of the
assumption that the directory delimiter is a "/". Thanks.

--
Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

*** adrbklib.c.old Fri Sep 26 12:02:32 1997
--- adrbklib.c.new Fri Sep 26 11:58:57 1997
***************
*** 255,269 ****
}

if(p = last_cmpnt(ab->filename)){
! strncpy(path, ab->filename, p - ab->filename - 1);
! path[p - ab->filename - 1] = '\0';
! p = path;
}
else
! p = ".";

! ab->temp_filename = temp_nam(p, "a1");
! ab->temp_hashfile = temp_nam(p, "a2");
if(!ab->temp_filename || !ab->temp_hashfile){
if(warning)
(void)strcpy(warning, "Can't create temporary file");
--- 255,271 ----
}

if(p = last_cmpnt(ab->filename)){
! int to_copy;
!
! to_copy = (p - ab->filename > 1) ? (p - ab->filename - 1) : 1;
! strncpy(path, ab->filename, to_copy);
! path[to_copy] = '\0';
}
else
! strcpy(path, ".");

! ab->temp_filename = temp_nam(path, "a1");
! ab->temp_hashfile = temp_nam(path, "a2");
if(!ab->temp_filename || !ab->temp_hashfile){
if(warning)
(void)strcpy(warning, "Can't create temporary file");
***************
*** 277,286 ****
* rename from temp_hashfile to hashfile isn't going to work. So
* set it to NULL in that case to let us know there is a problem.
*/
! if(!in_dir(p, ab->temp_hashfile))
fs_give((void **)&ab->temp_hashfile); /* sets it to NULL */

! if(!in_dir(p, ab->temp_filename))
fs_give((void **)&ab->temp_filename);

/* open addrbook for reading */
--- 279,288 ----
* rename from temp_hashfile to hashfile isn't going to work. So
* set it to NULL in that case to let us know there is a problem.
*/
! if(!in_dir(path, ab->temp_hashfile))
fs_give((void **)&ab->temp_hashfile); /* sets it to NULL */

! if(!in_dir(path, ab->temp_filename))
fs_give((void **)&ab->temp_filename);

/* open addrbook for reading */

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> Bryan Kirchmeier <[email protected]>,
> Joey Mugan <[email protected]>, Jay Smith <[email protected]>,
> James Nieland <[email protected]>,
> Chris Pallanch <[email protected]>,
> Kyle Bonnstead <[email protected]>, Davis Residance <[email protected]>,
> Erica Davis <[email protected]>,
> Adam Penning <[email protected]>, Casey Pylelo <[email protected]>,
> Jett <[email protected]>, Dawn Hedberg <[email protected]>,
> Kelly Duling <[email protected]>, Nikki Niehus <[email protected]>
>Subject: viruses (fwd)
>
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:44:56 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Mike Gary Sedlacek <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: viruses (fwd)
>
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:02:43 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Marnee Lenann Bergenheier <[email protected]>
>To: Mike Sedlacek <[email protected]>
>Subject: viruses (fwd)
>
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:28:42 -0400
>From: "PAULSON, KACEY" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: viruses (fwd)
>Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:12:14 +0000
>Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:10:55 +0000
>Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:39:27 +0000
>Resent-From: "SARAH DAHL" <[email protected]>
>Resent-From: "SHANNON PETERSON" <GETEUP/[email protected]>
>Resent-From: "SHERRIE CANCELLIERE" <[email protected]>
>Resent-To: [email protected]
>Resent-To: [email protected],
> "Shanna" <GETEUP/[email protected]>,
> "Lezlie" <GETEUP/[email protected]>,
> [email protected], [email protected],
> Laura Lea Wyss <[email protected]>,
> "Lezlie" <GETEUP/[email protected]>, [email protected],
> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
>Resent-To: [email protected]
>
>>Return-Path: <[email protected]>
>>From: "Morgan, Katherine L" <[email protected]>
>>Sender: [email protected]
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: viruses (fwd)
>>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:18:57 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
>>Priority: NORMAL
>>X-Authentication: IMSP
>>
>>--- Begin Forwarded Message ---
>>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:25:37 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: Jennifer T Donner <[email protected]>
>>Subject: viruses (fwd)
>>Sender: Jennifer T Donner <[email protected]>
>>To: Katie Morgan <[email protected]>
>>
>>Reply-To: Jennifer T Donner <[email protected]>
>>Message-ID:
>><[email protected]>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:58:59 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: Brenna Yursik <[email protected]>
>>To: Jennifer T Donner <[email protected]>
>>Subject: viruses
>>
>>WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW",
>>> > >>"PENPAL GREETINGS" OR "RETURNED UNABLE TO DELIVER" DO NOT OPEN
>>> > >>THESE!!!! Read on...
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> If you receive an e-mail title "Join the crew" don;t open it!
>>> > >>> It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this letter out to
>>> > >>> as many people as you can.......this is a new virus and not
>>> > >t many people
>>> > >>> know
>>> > >>> about it!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> This information was received this morning from IBM, please share it
>>> > >>> with anyone that might access the Internet.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Also,
>>> > >>> If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! Please delete
>>> > >>> it WITHOUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet users -
>>> > >>> there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet through an
>>> > >>> e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!".
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are
>>> > >>> interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is
>>> > >>> too late. The "trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot
>>> > >>> sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It
>>>is y
>>> > >a
>>> > >>> self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will
>>> > >>> AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present
>>> > >>> in YOUR mailbox!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to
>>> > >>> DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in box, and
>>> > >>> who's mail is in their in box and so on. If this virus keeps getting
>>> > >>> passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer
>>> > >>> networks
>>> > >>> worldwide!!!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as you
>>> > >>> see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, relatives
>>> > >>> and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists which you
>>> > >>> are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped.
>>> > >>> PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS!!! WARNING !!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> And here's another one:
>>> > >>> There is a new virus going arround in the last couple of days!!!
>>> > >>> DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned
>>> > >>> or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your computer
>>> > >>> components and render them useless. Immediately delete any mail items
>>> > >>> that says this. AOL has said this is a very danderous virus, and there
>>> > >>> is NO remedy for it at this time, Please Be Careful, And forward to
>>> > >>> all your on-line friends A.S.A.P.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know !
>>
>>
>>--- End Forwarded Message ---
>>
>>
>>--
>>Morgan, Katherine L
>>[email protected]
>>
>>
>>
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Daryl

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From: **Tarnished Silence** <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: viruses (fwd)
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>>WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW", >>> >
>>"PENPAL GREETINGS" OR "RETURNED UNABLE TO DELIVER" DO NOT OPEN >>> >
>>THESE!!!! Read on...
>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>

Oh, please...don't waste my time with such crap.

Folks, if you haven't figured it out yet, there is NO WAY to transmit a
virus by email. None. It has to be by a file. If there is a file
attached to an email, and you open the file, then it's possible, but only
then. And if you do that, it's your own darn fault.

Face it, YOU'VE BEEN SUCKERED BY A HOAX. Now, pull yourself up and help
to stop these sorts of things from traveling around the Internet, messing
up our world.

Tarnished Silence
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== ==
== <<<<<<<<<<TARNISHED SILENCE>>>>>>>>>> ==
== ==
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Subject: Omnipresent lock on mailbox problem
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Hey everyone,

First, I want you to know that I've tried everything I can possibly think
of before reaching this point of desperation, and now I turn to you for
help. My problem is this:

I'm using pine 3.95 for Linux (kernel ver. 2.0.30) , which came as a
RedHat package along with my RedHat 4.1 distribution. In addition I use
SendMail 8.8.4.

Since I am the only user of my computer I saw no reason to avoid using
"root" as the main mailreading account, as that's the account I use most
of the time anyway. Upon seeing that pine used "root" as part of my
mailing address I sought to create a new user with a more representative
username. I ran pine and it built all the necessary files and directories.

Everything looked OK until, for test purposes, I sent myself a letter from
that account. The letter reached me, but every time I ran Pine after that
I was told that Pine "can't open mailbox lock. Access is read-only." So I
starting doing a few checks. The permissions were all right. All the files
in the user's home directory and the mailbox at /var/spool/mail/ had
permissions that allowed that user to read and write to these files
freely. I reasoned that perhaps that file was locked by some process. I
tried modifying the mailbox file manually, and that worked. I also tried
killing almost all of the processes in the system just in case, but Pine
still told me the mailbox was locked. I read through the technical notes
file and found out that there might be lock files at the /tmp directory
and at the same directory which held the mailbox file. I checked a number
of times and nothing was there. When I try accessing any folder through
that account it is opened in read-only mode. I can read but I can't delete
or edit. One thing which struck me as odd was that I could still compose a
letter, and it was still copied to "sent-mail". If I tried entering the
"sent-mail" folder it would still restrict me to read-only, but the letter
I composed was there. It's the same with moving a letter to another
folder. The letter is moved there, but upon access the folder becomes
locked.

Thanks, Nir.

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David L Miller <[email protected]> writes:
> I just found out that the gateway between the pine-info mailing list
> and the comp.mail.pine newsgroup has been down for the last 2-3
> months. Since most readers/subscribers seem to be unaware of this, I
> am wondering what action people would like to see taken. As I see it,
> the choices, and some questions, are:
>
> - Shut down the pine-info mailing list, thus removing a bit of
> list-management load from the Pine Team (namely me ;-)
Don't shut down the list! If not for pine-info, where would I get my
daily (or weekly, depending on his prolificness) dose of Robin? =)

Matt

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Please send me a copy of the FAQ. I have high hopes it will will
explain all of the various error messages to me.

Tony

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1. Please learn how to remove header information if you must forward mail
to others. It's easy in Pine, so learn how to do it.

2. The only virus on the net these days is crap like this. If people are
so ignorant about computers as to believe this, they should go back to the
abacus and pencil and paper.

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
[email protected]

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>Daryl

Regardless of whether or not your message belongs on a PINE mailing list
(which it does NOT since it's not a PINE virus), e-mail viruses and
millions of forwards are extremely annoying and space-consuming. You
might want to check out various Net resources on e-mail virus and mass
mailings to newsgroups before sending further messages like that. Try:

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/5894

It has information on BOTH of those topics.

(I apologize to the PINE list for sending this message.)

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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what does a person have to do to legally change one's last name?

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Dear Sir...

My name is Susan, can you give the information about my mail In-Box on up
September 20 1997, because I only read the mail and didn't reply my friends
email. But the mail In-Box was not apear yet in my Mail In-Box.
Can you appear it for a while because I forgot to safe my friends address
mail or can you show where you store my In-box mail in few days ago..??
I look forward your reply. Thank you very much for pay attention.

your trully,

Susan

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Can anyone explain this error message that displays at the bottom of the
screen each time I turn on Pine?

Error: No [ in mail/

Thanks,
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I just looked at that error again..here it is in better form:

Bad Context: No '[' in context: /usr/people8/prallena/mail

Later.
TS
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> Error: No [ in mail/

My first guess would be that some setting you have in pine is looking for
a file or subdirectory named "[" in your mail directory.
Try doing a grep on your .pinerc for "["

IE:

% grep \[ .pinerc

And see if that sheds any light on the problem :)

Patrick

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On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, ***Tarnished Silence*** wrote:

> Bad Context: No '[' in context: /usr/people8/prallena/mail

Looks like you have a bad path set or something.
Perhaps in the context this setting is in, it NEEDS a "[" but doesn't have
one..

Here is what I got when I typed 'grep "\[" .pinerc' from my unix prompt.

# the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[]
# Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[]
# than used for NNTP posting. Examples: News *[] or News *{host3/nntp}[]
# Syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[]
# pruning each month. For example: {host1}mail/[] mumble

All those lines are comments, which says to me that I don't actually have
any of those values set explicitly.

>From the looks of it though, all the paths there would need a "[]" at the
end for whatever reason.

Maybe somwhere you have "mail/" listed where you should have "mail/[]"

Pat

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Hi,

Sometimes I get mail in Hebrew, and Pine tells me that the mail has
chasrset xxx, but is there a way to tell Pine to use a Hebrew font for
these mails ?

Thanks,

Yossi

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>> "YI" == Yossi Itzkovich <[email protected]> writes:

YI> Hi, Sometimes I get mail in Hebrew, and Pine tells me that the
YI> mail has chasrset xxx, but is there a way to tell Pine to use a
YI> Hebrew font for these mails ?

You could start pine -p <pinerc> for those. Since us-ascii doesn't
seem to be a subset of Hebrew, I don't think setting the char-set to
Hebrew in your standard config would be overly helpful.

Later,
Robin

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Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
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- The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
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If you have to be careful to put text on the right number lines or to
stay below a certain line - for instance because you are using Stack's
e-mail to snail mail gateway http://stack.com/e-snail.html - you don't
have to count your lines manually with greasy fingers on your screen
and errors likely but you can use

less -N

as your alternate editor command to check the numbering.

For those who have never used the alternate-editor command before: In
order to be able to enter other editor commands you have to check

[X] enable-alternate-editor-cmd
[ ] enable-alternate-editor-implicitly

and editor = <No Value Set> in your Pine configuration menu and then
you press ^_ (Control+Underscore) while you're composing message text.
To see line numbers, type ^K (Control+K) and "less -N" then.

I don't know whether this answers a frequently asked question or is
just an unsolicited Unix trick.

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#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w

# $Id: xurl,v 1.11 1997/09/26 22:22:22 czyborra Exp $
# (C) 1997 Roman [email protected]
# This URL extractor converts a text/plain into a text/html lookalike
# with anything looking like a URL turned into a hyperlink and then
# hands it over to lynx so the user can easily follow references.
# I use xurl as one of my (bogus) print-commands in Pine.

$tempfile="/tmp/xurl$$.html";
$protocol="(http|file|ftp|gopher|wais|news|nntp|finger|telnet)";
$urlender="][\"`'><\\s"; $punct=").,:;\?";

open (STDOUT, ">$tempfile") || die "Cannot write $tempfile: $!\n";

while (<>)
{
s~&~&~g; s~<~<~g; s~\n~ \n~; s~\swww[.]\b~ http://www.~gi;
s~($protocol:[^$urlender]+[^$urlender$punct])~<A HREF="$1">$1<\/A>~gi;
print;
}

close STDOUT;

exec "sh", "-c", "exec </dev/tty >/dev/tty 2>/dev/tty
lynx -child $tempfile; rm -f $tempfile";

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>> "RC" == Roman Czyborra <[email protected]> writes:

RC> If you have to be careful to put text on the right number lines or
RC> to stay below a certain line [...] you can use
RC> less -N
RC> as your alternate editor command to check the numbering.

Hmm? Less is more, but certainly not an editor.

RC> I don't know whether this answers a frequently asked question or
RC> is just an unsolicited Unix trick.

Let's see... less is:

[...] a program similar to more (1), but which allows backward
movement in the file as well as forward movement. [...]

and can do:

v Invokes an editor to edit the current file being viewed.
The editor is taken from the environment variable VISUAL if
defined, or EDITOR if VISUAL is not defined, or defaults to
"vi" if neither VISUAL nor EDITOR is defined.

I don't get this... If I were crazy enough to use vi (hi, Sven...),
I'd set my alternate editor to vi (and start XEmacs in viper mode...),
because vi can do line-numbering. So can joe, btw, an editor which I
will advocate here for as long as pico exists. joe -linum

But... the less -N option is neat. Thanks ;-)

Have a nice Sunday,
Robin

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On the package it said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"
... so I got myself Linux.

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Hi,

Is it possible to install only pico (and not pine) as an editor for
digital unix ver. 4.0?

Regards,

Eran R.

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Eran Russ wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to install only pico (and not pine) as an editor for
> digital unix ver. 4.0?

Yes. As long as you can get pico to compile (should, but I've not tried it
myself, so I make no claims). Just copy the pico binary to wherever you
place your local binaries, and leave pine alone.

-jeff
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Sorry to bother you all...

I know that this question has been asked several times in the FAQ.. After
reading some answers, I am still having a lot of trouble making it work.
Could someone please kindly show me how it could be done? Thanks in
advance..

tony

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>> "TK" == Tony Kan <[email protected]> writes:

TK> Sorry to bother you all... I know that this question has been
TK> asked several times in the FAQ.. After reading some answers, I
TK> am still having a lot of trouble making it work.

Huh?

TK> Could someone please kindly show me how it could be done? Thanks
TK> in advance..

It can be done, but it's a secret and I'd have to kill you if I told
you. In short: *don't* even think of doing it. It can be desastrous for
certain kinds of terminals that cannot deal with the ansi sequences
you'd need to employ. Bad idea, bad style, superflous. In short - a
No-No. If you want that sort of stuff, use Mickysoftware and get on
everybody's nerves with html mime-attachments. Remember: email is ascii
only.

Later,
Robin

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Previous versions of pine would automatically save
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On 29 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> everybody's nerves with html mime-attachments. Remember: email is ascii
> only.

I feel like being "picky" today. I think it is more appropriate to
describe email as "textual" since, even with pine, you can send email
character sets which are not "ascii".

Ed

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Sure it still does....see the information on the rich header "Fcc:"

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Hello,

My name is Eric and I am trying to start my own home based busisness. I
heard that there is a software program with 18,000,000 e-mail addresses on it
and had the ability to send messeges out for you automaticly. If you can
help me locate this program I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Eric
([email protected])

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I am looking for a legal form to change my childs last name per her
request. Could you possibly steer me in that direction and let me know
what the best way to do this would be?
Thank You
J.Blakeman

[email protected]

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In your configuration screen, you should have a line that looks like the
following:

default-fcc = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">

To get to the configuration, from any point in Pine, hit M, then S, then
C. If the Default FCC line doesn't look like this, it should...change it.

Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
[email protected]

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> Previous versions of pine would automatically save
> copies of out going msgs; NO LONGER ? How to implement ?
> pete
>
> Peter Fillingham <<[email protected]>> /\ /\

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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My name is Eric and I am trying to start my own home based busisness. I
> heard that there is a software program with 18,000,000 e-mail addresses on it
> and had the ability to send messeges out for you automaticly. If you can
> help me locate this program I would greatly appreciate it.
>

Hi, Eric..
I, for one will not be a part of creating yet ANOTHER idiotic spammer on
the network. Could you very kindly *@*# off? (pardon my French)

Thank you.

Pat

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Ah ha ha ha ha ha
Thats a good one.......
stan.

On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Noone Special wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > My name is Eric and I am trying to start my own home based busisness. I
> > heard that there is a software program with 18,000,000 e-mail addresses on it
> > and had the ability to send messeges out for you automaticly. If you can
> > help me locate this program I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
>
> Hi, Eric..
> I, for one will not be a part of creating yet ANOTHER idiotic spammer on
> the network. Could you very kindly *@*# off? (pardon my French)
>
> Thank you.
>
> Pat
>
>

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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Jere Blakeman wrote:

> I am looking for a legal form to change my childs last name per her
> request. Could you possibly steer me in that direction and let me know
> what the best way to do this would be?

Not that this is the forum for it, but why not marry her off to someone?

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Subject: Pine v3.96, Solaris 2.5, and the "SPECIAL OFFER"
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I have compiled Pine v3.96 for Solaris 2.5 with the SunPro C v4.2 compiler
and see one really odd thing. If I am a new user (i.e., I delete my .pinerc
file), I am asked if I want to "Request Document" but I do not see the
2-line "Special Offer" message beforehand, so the question really comes out
of the blue. As this will confuse new users, I am reluctant to upgrade
from v3.91 to v3.96 before I can find out why I see the question without
the explanatory message that makes the question make sense. Has anyone
else seen this (I found no references in the list archive) and doesn anyone
have a fix for the problem?

Please reply to me directly.

David
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On 13 Sep 1997, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> What I actually wanted to say was: It's ok for a newbie to post a
> newbie question. Depending on how stupid he is, he'll be lightly
> toasted or badly flamed, and pointed in the general direction of both
> the netiquette and the faq. Voila. I only wish the faq were numbered:
> it's much nicer to be able to say "read 4.5" than c&p all that boring
> stuff.

Good idea. I'll pass the suggestion along. BTW, specific suggestions
for the FAQ will probably get faster attention if you send them to
[email protected]...

> One thing I've already suggested in the past (sometimes I wonder if
> the pine guys are actually a script - but maybe they're just too busy
> coding to make pine keep pace with mutt) was to split the mailing list
> and the newsgroup. This way, a moderated group *could* be brought into
> existance, provided enough people would be silly enough to take on
> that project. Moderating a mailing list is a lot of work.

As I mentioned in a message last week, it looks like the split took
place a couple months ago. Unfortunately, at least part of the Pine
Team was on the other side of the non-existant gateway :-(

> One nice feature for pine would be if it could include the OS, version
> number and varios other stuff by pressing a button. I find it rather
> unnerving to have to look up the headers to find out which version of
> pine the poster has been using.

I just set the default-viewer-hdrs to include the Message-ID, which
includes the Pine version and platform. Pine will send the user's
complete configuration if they use the Report Bug command. What else
do you need?

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how do I read these application/ms-tnef?

sharon

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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Sharon Dickson wrote:

> how do I read these application/ms-tnef?

Switch to using MicroSoft's email products.
IMHO, anyone sending your ms-tnef attachments isn't worth reading and
switching to an MS email UA isn't worth the pain.

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Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
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Do you know how to open an mmpig file? Thank you

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Hello!

I need your help. My pine e-mail has just lately turned quirky.
I hope you can help.

First, my login appears when I open up Pine, but somehow the last three
letters/digits of my password are tacked on. So...I delete those three
characters and press enter. Then, I can go on to insert my password.
Then I get in. I can't seem to edit my login name and save it.

But that's just part of the problem.

I can hardly do anything with Pine without it asking me for my password.
When I mail this to you, for instance, I will have to "log on" again.
If I change folders or menus, I will again have to provide my password.

Again, I have two questions: 1) How do I permanently edit my password to
return it to normal. 2) What can I do to get Pine to quit asking me for
my login and password?

Thanks for your help.

[email protected]

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I recently received an email message with an attachment which I could not
access. KPC's computer genius, Mark Jenson, said it can't be done on
pine. Is this true? I would really like to read that attachment and will
continue to save it hopefully until I hear from you. Thank you.
Connie Wheat, evening coordinator, Kenai Peninsula College

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Hi,

I want to make accounting software on pine so that i can charge the users
of the emails that they are sending and receiveing. If anyone can provide
anyhelp in this regard will be of great use to me.

Regards,

-- Sapan

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Sapan Goel <[email protected]> writes:
> I want to make accounting software on pine so that i can charge the users
> of the emails that they are sending and receiveing. If anyone can provide
> anyhelp in this regard will be of great use to me.
Did I just read what I think I just read?

Matt (looking around warily for the legendary pouncing Robin)

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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> I recently received an email message with an attachment which I could not
> access. KPC's computer genius, Mark Jenson, said it can't be done on
> pine. Is this true? I would really like to read that attachment and will
> continue to save it hopefully until I hear from you. Thank you.
> Connie Wheat, evening coordinator, Kenai Peninsula College

Without knowing more details....it is kind of hard to answer.

What kind of attachment? What exactly do you mean by "can not access".

You need to be a bit more descriptive.

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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Sapan Goel wrote:

> I want to make accounting software on pine so that i can charge the users
> of the emails that they are sending and receiveing. If anyone can provide
> anyhelp in this regard will be of great use to me.

You don't want to do that in "pine" since "pine" is a user agent. You
want to parse the logs on your mailhost. Probably "syslog". There may be
SW already available for "sendmail". You should try "comp.mail.sendmail".

Regards

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I received an email message. The sender had copied a work document -
essay, and sent it as an attachment to the message. I could not bring it
up on the screen to read it or print it or anything.
It was a 16K document. Now can you help me? :)

On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > I recently received an email message with an attachment which I could not
> > access. KPC's computer genius, Mark Jenson, said it can't be done on
> > pine. Is this true? I would really like to read that attachment and will
> > continue to save it hopefully until I hear from you. Thank you.
> > Connie Wheat, evening coordinator, Kenai Peninsula College
>
> Without knowing more details....it is kind of hard to answer.
>
> What kind of attachment? What exactly do you mean by "can not access".
>
> You need to be a bit more descriptive.
>
> --
> Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
> Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
> Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
> FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C
> PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE
>
>
>

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I go to suffolk community college in NY. We are using PINE for email and i
cant access PINE from AOL.

I dont have time to access my PINE email account in suffolk so I need some
help in finding away to access my account at home. Or I was wondering how
much it will cost me to purchase a copy of PINE.

Is there a special way of forwarding all incoming mail going to my PINE
address to my AOL address? Or do u know of a way to telnet from AOL to PINE?

Thank you for your help. Please write to me as soon as you can.

Sincerely,

Jason Onufrak

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> I received an email message. The sender had copied a work document -
> essay, and sent it as an attachment to the message. I could not bring it
> up on the screen to read it or print it or anything.
> It was a 16K document. Now can you help me? :)

I could try.....

I don't think you mean "work" document. You probably mean "Word" document. If
that is the case then the name of the file is probably something.doc. Yes?

Anyway, you are running pine for PDMF which means your mailbox is on a Unix
host. The "Word" document is created using MicroSoft-Word and is normally
created on a PC...or a MAC if you are a glutton for punishment. :-)

Do you have a PC? Do you have MS-Word or are you running Win95? If the answer
to the questions are "yes" then you can simply save the attachment to disk (on
the Unix box) transport the file to your PC (a "local" issue) and then use MS-
Word or WordPad (included with Win95) to read the document.

Good Luck,
Ed

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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> I go to suffolk community college in NY. We are using PINE for email and i
> cant access PINE from AOL.

First...."pine" is an email User Agent. It is *not* an "email system"
onto itself.

> I dont have time to access my PINE email account in suffolk so I need some
> help in finding away to access my account at home. Or I was wondering how
> much it will cost me to purchase a copy of PINE.
>
> Is there a special way of forwarding all incoming mail going to my PINE
> address to my AOL address? Or do u know of a way to telnet from AOL to PINE?

You have an account "somewhere" which you can access using pine. If you
want telnet access to the system which holds your account you will need to
check with the system administrators. Those same folks should be able to
tell you how to set up a ".forward" for your email which will then send
the incoming mails from your "pine" account to your aol account.

BTW, there is no cost to acquire a copy of pine....but that is not what
you need.

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>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <[email protected]> writes:

MS> Sapan Goel <[email protected]> writes:
>> I want to make accounting software on pine so that i can charge the
>> users of the emails that they are sending and receiveing. If anyone
>> can provide anyhelp in this regard will be of great use to me.

MS> Did I just read what I think I just read?

No, you didn't. This was a joke. A bad joke. I'm still tempted to
check what Mr. Goel's accounting software would think about something
like this done over a 100Mbit line:

while `cat /dev/null`
do
echo Charge me if you like... | mail [email protected]
done

Maybe playtime's over - what do you think, Matt?

Cheers,
Robin

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>> Regarding Re: attachment; [email protected] adds:

i> I received an email message. The sender had copied a work document
i> - essay, and sent it as an attachment to the message. I could not
i> bring it up on the screen to read it or print it or anything. It
i> was a 16K document. Now can you help me? :)

Sure. This attachment, as the name might suggest, is not part of the
actual message, because it's not in a form your terminal can
display. You need an external viewer for it. So, either you have you
local dudes set up your /etc/mailcap file accordingly (provided
there's a "viewer" for this file - it might well be that you need some
Windog application) or save the file to a disk and view it with an
appropriate program on another computer.

To save the file, do what is suggested in the email itself: V(iew),
S(ave). Then copy the file to a disk. Done. You know, there's some
*really* good online documentation on this subject...

Later,
Robin

--
Robin S. Socha, M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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first i would like to thank you very much for your great and helpful
program i have a problem that i can't get the best use of it,i have to
print all the leteres i receive from my brother to my parents and i don't
know how .
sincerly SAAM1

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>> "SAM" == Samah Abdul-Mahdi Massadeh <[email protected]>
>> writes:

SAM> i have to print all the leteres i receive from my brother to my
SAM> parents and i don't know how.

The easiest thing for you to do is hit the "?" key to get online help
on a topic whenever you're stuck. However, printing is a somewhat
non-trivial matter with pine, so you might also like to visit the pine
information centre on-line:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/index.html

where you'll find all kinds of information on pine except this one:

http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine.html

Hehehe...

Later,
Robin

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Microsoft isn't the answer.
Microsoft is the question and the answer is no.

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sorry, my previos question was a tad ambiguous. in the setup
configuration of pine there exists two fields...

display-filters:
sending-filters:

i used the ? help manual to learn about these two features, but i was
confused at how to procede. i understand that these fields filter the
actual text in e-mail instead of divertin~ them to separate folders. they
probably could more, but i was curious if anyone has used / or knows how
to use the <trigger> <command> <argument> syntax for these filters. i
know about procmail and im in the process of installin~ it, however, im
interested in pines unique text filterin~. hey, it exists... why not use
it?

-elijah-

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>> "EM" == Elijah Manor <[email protected]> writes:

EM> display-filters: sending-filters:

EM> i know about procmail and im in the process of installin~ it,
EM> however, im interested in pines unique text filterin~. hey, it
EM> exists... why not use it?

I sense a fundamental misunderstanding here... You can only use Pine's
filters to "do" something with a message *within* pine, i.e. add or
substract or alter something. Typical examples: pgp and random
signatures. The thing is that you can use these interactively,
e.g. pipe the message through fortune -o, rot 13 and then pgp-encrypt
it - interactively. If that's what you want - good. But this
"filtering" is entirely different from what procmail does... I
guess... I never understood procmail. Duhh...

Later,
Robin

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My quota has been exceeded. What is a quota and how do I
un-exceed it? Help!!! Chip :-(

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Hi there...

I've put up a part of the pine docu up on my website. If some kind
soul would bother to "proofread" this stuff, mail me for the url.

Thanks a bunch in advance.

Later,
Robin

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Vidi, vici, veni

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how do i use binhex 4.0 , there are some files on the internet that i saw and
it said they must be converted with binhex 4.0, so i downloaded it bu t i
dont know how to use it, please tell me how, email me soon, bye

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[email protected] writes:
> how do i use binhex 4.0 , there are some files on the internet that i saw and
> it said they must be converted with binhex 4.0, so i downloaded it bu t i
> dont know how to use it, please tell me how, email me soon, bye

Buy a Mac. Someday all will see the light.

Matt

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On 30 Sep 1997, Matt Simmons wrote:

> [email protected] writes:
> > how do i use binhex 4.0 , there are some files on the internet that i saw and
> > it said they must be converted with binhex 4.0, so i downloaded it bu t i
> > dont know how to use it, please tell me how, email me soon, bye
>
> Buy a Mac. Someday all will see the light.

Someday all will see their stock plummet and wonder what they'll do with
their obsolete toys.

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I would like to know how I can send drawings or pictures on pine.

Sincerely,

Adam Scott