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On 30 Mar 1997 06:37:08 GMT, Steve Machol <[email protected]>
posted to comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.pine:
> :0:
> * ^Bcc.*smachol
> IN.testing
> However, when I've tested this by Bcc'ing myself from another account, the
> mail is getting through just fine and nothing shows up in my IN.testing
> folder.

Look at the message you sent yourself. Does it actually contain a
header which matches the above regular expression? No. That's what BCC
means: strip off the BCC header completely before sending the message.
(The mail transport doesn't even look at the headers; instead the
destination is known because the "envelope" contains it.)

If you want to combat BCC:s, one venue is to ditch everything which is
not specifically TO you. (Take care to process any mailing lists
first, they are usually BCC:ed or equivalent.)

:0:
* ! ^TO_smachol
IN.testing

/* era */

This has nothing with Pine to do so I've trimmed comp.mail.pine from Followups.

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I have a question that is not really pine related, but seeing that no one
here seems to be able to help me, I thought I'd try you. I use NCSA Telnet
on a Macintosh to log into a UNIX machine and view my mail using Pine. If
I print a message from Pine it somehow passes this print command through to
the Mac, asking me:

'Print message 15 using "attached-to-ansi"?'

Which, if confirmed causes the Mac print dialog box to appear.

Now I would like to be able to do this directly from my unix prompt with
my files as well instead of first ftp-ing my files to my Mac and then
printing them.
Could you tell me how Pine manages to do this?
I tried to look under Setup Printer, but couldn't figure out how it works.

thanks,
Cornelis.

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On Sat, 22 Mar 1997, Omar Qureshi wrote:

>I was wondering if it was possible to append output from the Unix
>'fortune' command at the end of every mail message sent out from my
>account ?

You need a so called sending filter for that. Put something like this in
your ~/.pinerc:

# This defines a program that message text is piped into before MIME
# encoding, prior to sending
sending-filters=~/bin/fortune

i.e. if you've decided to create a file in ~/bin that contains the following
line:
fortune

and afterwards have chmod'ed it with a+x or whatever (thereby making it an
executable). Check the chmod man page to see which permissions you want to
give. However, I don't think that appending fortunes a good idea, because
some of them are rather lengthy and you'd end up with a 50 odd line
signature.

You could of course edit the original fortunes file and strip it of those
messages. BTW, to edit the fortunes-o files, you need rot-13 (Caesarian
rotation) as offered e.g. by Emacs >:->

Ceterum censeo that Ray Cummings <[email protected]> is a whiner...
How come I've never seen an answer from you, Ray, just whining, moaning and
complaining? Are you trying to make yourself feel "better" (hehehe) by that?

Later,
Robin

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[email protected] (Ray Cummins) writes:

>On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

>>

>Well, it really doesn't matter what he wrote. I'd just like to say I'm
>really looking forward to killfile support in Pine.

Well, if you did not read the whole thing, you missed a very "Good Time".
It was one of the better parodies of the "newbie virus" that I have seen.
Of course, people who read email with MS's MUA's and who have Word on their
systems really *do* have to worry about reading the wrong email messages,
because of Word macro viruses.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Joakim Roubert wrote:
> I use another mail address than my Pine thinks would be common, and
> therefore I
> have set the special "user-domain" to the right domain, but my user name
> on
> that domain is different rom the one on my local system. How do I make
> the
> reply-to address that I send correct?

Compile pine so that ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM is set and then set up
your From header in your customized headers. I still think this
should be the default way that pine is compiled since 1) it is
common these days for people to have multiple addresses and to want
to be able to easily change the From line ON THE FLY while
composing a message and 2) it is not a way for people to forge
messages because the Sender and Received headers make it pretty
clear where the message really originated from.

Is there any chance that the pine developers would consider making
ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM the default? Please. Also, does anyone know
where I can find a version of PC Pine for Windows 95 that has been
compiled with ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM? Note that I know how to fake
from headers with Pine (I'm doing it right now) but I want to be
able to change the From line on the fly.

Thanks,
Nancy

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In the folder collections, upon opening the cursor always sits at the last
message in the folder, whereas it sits on the first unread message in the
regular incoming folders. Did I miss a setting or is this the wanted
behaviour?

TIA,
Robin

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I'm running RedHat 4.0 with most of the 4.1 RPMS. I have attempted to
install the src for pine and compile. the build statement runs fine and
everything compiles to the point of it displaying the sizes of the
executables and it says that the pine and pico executables do not exist.
For some reason they are not being compiled or built with the script. I
have reinstalled the source several times and tried again and again. There
is a makefile entry for linux - so i'm unsure of what the prob is.
Attached is an example of where it dies.

Making Pico and Pilot
cc -c -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE osdep.c
osdep.c: In function `kpinsert':
osdep.c:695: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c:712: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `alt_editor':
osdep.c:827: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `bktoshell':
osdep.c:1037: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `gethomedir':
osdep.c:1300: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `errstr':
osdep.c:1341: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:201: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
osdep.c: In function `getfnames':
osdep.c:1408: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `pfnexpand':
osdep.c:1512: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `copy':
osdep.c:1754: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `ffelbowroom':
osdep.c:1881: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
osdep.c: In function `pico_new_mail':
osdep.c:1979: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
make: *** [osdep.o] Error 1

Making Pine.
cc -g -DDEBUG -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE -c ttyin.c -o ttyin.o
ttyin.c: In function `Raw':
ttyin.c:341: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c:341: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ttyin.c:341: for each function it appears in.)
ttyin.c:383: `TCGETA' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `xonxoff_proc':
ttyin.c:483: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `crlf_proc':
ttyin.c:543: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `intr_proc':
ttyin.c:597: `TCSETAW' undeclared (first use this function)
ttyin.c: In function `flush_input':
ttyin.c:1088: `TCFLSH' undeclared (first use this function)
make: *** [ttyin.o] Error 1

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
text data bss dec hex filename
303520 104626 2048 410194 64252 bin/mtest
318884 111666 8216 438766 6b1ee bin/imapd
size: bin/pico: No such file or directory
size: bin/pilot: No such file or directory
Done

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How do I get pine to check mail on other pop servers?
I want it to check these places periodically, not just when I
log in.

Richard

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On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Richard Powell wrote:

>How do I get pine to check mail on other pop servers? I want it to check
>these places periodically, not just when I log in.

Not at all. Pine is a mail reader, not an MTA. You will want to use one of
those for this task, preferably one that can be run in daemon mode. Fetchpop
is one of those:

<http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~oh">

The fetchpop program retrieves mail from a remote host using the POP3
mail transfer protocol as described in RFC1225 and RFC1081.

Later,
Robin

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Has anyone been using Pine 3.91 through 3.95 successfully with SCO
System V? We are getting huge core dumps almost daily. We use mostly
PC's running TinyTerm via TCP if that matters.

Will 3.96 solve the problem? Does anyone have a binary for SCO SV of
3.96?

This may be one of those "why ask why?" questions, but why doesn't the U
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it...

---Knute ([email protected])

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Hi, Does any body know where I can find pre-compiled binaries for IRIX?
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Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]> writes:

> I posted the article below recently on comp.editors. I want to
>emphasize that this problems occurs *ONLY* when my alternate editor is
>invoked specifically by Pine, and under no other circumstances. One
>respondent speculated that Pine's screen control may not be well
>debugged for alternate editors and may be causing Joe's screen control
>to get a little flaky. Anybody got any war stories or wisdom to share?
>Thanks. -- Paul

Added comp.editors back to distribution.

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:05:06 -0500
>>From: Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]>
>Newsgroups: comp.editors
>Subject: Joe / Pine Interface Problem

> Environment: SunOS 4.1.4, dialin to shell account (Cshell) from DOS
>with ProComm Plus v2/DOS, VT100 emulation. Editor: Joe 2.8. Mail/

I have seen situations long ago where ProComm simply blew chunks in its
vt100 emulation. Try kermit. It has much more reliable vtXXX emulation.

There have also been problems with some versions of joe overoptimizing
screen updates, leading to all sorts of anomalies. In some versions of
joe, I have had to run his special termcap entries to get proper behavior.
I also remember from over two years ago when we moved all Suns to SunOS 5.4
or higher, that some versions of joe behaved differently depending on
whether they were compiled in the bsd universe (/bin/cc) or sysv universe
(/usr/5bin/cc).

>newsreader: Pine 3.96. The problem arises whether I use my ISP's
>compiled version of Joe, or whether I compile Joe myself. The problem
>only seems to arise when I use Joe as my alternate editor under Pine.

I have found that pine 3.95 preserves some of its tty conditioning when it
hands the tty over to jove (my default implicit editor). I do not remember
this in 3.91.

> When composing a message under Pine, Pine opens a file
>/tmp/pico.nnnnn, where nnnnn is some (temporarily) unique number.
>If there is quoted material, as in a reply or followup, Pine first
>inserts the material, with the quoting string, into the /tmp/... file.
>It then passes control to the editor, which may be its own built-in
>composer (ugh!) or a user-specified alternate editor (Joe 2.8 in my
>case).

> However, when editing this file, visible characters have a way of
>dropping off the display, to be replaced by blanks. They have not
>dropped out of the file: a screen refresh command will bring them right
>back. But it is annoying, to say the least. The dropping of
>characters seems to occur mostly when simply moving the cursor and when
>deleting characters (one or more characters to the right of the cursor
>position may get replaced by blanks). Also, this phenomenon only seems
>to occur when editing the temporary file set up by Pine, not when
>editing a file when Joe is invoked from the command line.

That is exactly the kind of behavior I have seen over 12 years with ProComm
(mis)emulations of the vt100 terminal. You also may have some problems if
termcap is set to vt102 or 220 and the terminal emulator is only capable of
vt100. Make sure both are set at the same level of emulation. Another
thing I just thought of: I have found the dt80 termcap/terminfo to work
better with some emulators than vt102.

> I admit I am a user, not a Un*x guru, so I don't really know where
>to start looking. Anyone have similar experiences or wisdom to share?
>Please also Cc: on any responses, as my newsfeed is rather flaky just
>now, and I might miss a posted response. Thanks very much.

>Paul <[email protected]>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
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Hi

I'm using ver 3.93 and I can't seem to get the select function to work
using the ";" as outlined in the help file.

Any suggestions? Could it be that way it is configured on my machine?

Thanks!

Jim

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On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Margaret Vitalis wrote:

..
> address. When I went to check the newsgroup later on, my post was there
> in the listing of new posts, but in the column where the names are it just
> said "To:" followed by the name of the news group I was posting to. Is
> this what everyone sees, or is this just what I see? Is there a way to
> change this so that my name is in there? Incidentally when I viewed the
> post, the header was fine. It showed my name and e-mail address in the
> "from" field. Any feedback on this would be much appreciated. Thank you!

This is exactly how Pine 3.93 is for me.

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This message appears in my mailbox when I send mail thru pc pine
under win95.

This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software.
If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
with the data reset to initial values.

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I am using Pine 3.95q, on SunOs 4.1.x.

I have a user who has a large collection of mail folders. Some of them
show up as one big message, and others are fine. All of them appear to
follow the Berkeley mail folder format; that is to say a line like:

>From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 00:00:00 1990

Some headers, a body, and at least two blank lines before the next
"From ". Some files have blank lines at the beginning, this does not
seem to affect things.

It seems that the difference between the files is that pine thinks the
single message ones are read only, while the other ones are
not. "Arpa" shows just fine. "Prof", "mit" and others don't. What the
difference is between them, I can not divine. Prof has the same
permissions, correct "From " headers, etc. but for some reason shows
up as a single message from the user, with a subject of the full path
of the mail folder. Similar results come from the other affected
files.

If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate them.

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On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Ahuja Asheesh wrote:

> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:59:17 -0700
> From: Ahuja Asheesh <[email protected]>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: organize newsgroups
>
> hello out there,
> I subscribe to a whole bunch of newsgroups. right now they're all listed
> alphabetically in pine. I was wondering if there is a why (and how??) to
> organize them be the subjects, in folders etc. so that i don't have to
> look all over for a newsgroup.

Your best bet is to beat PINE at its alpahnumeric sorting and this can
be done without any software changes.

PINE give you the option to name folders and the secret to getting
your messages in a particular order is to determine what order you
want your newgroups in.

For example, I use comp.mail.pine, rec.arts.prose, and misc.writing
the most. I want misc.writing first, rec.art.prose, and comp.mail.
pine in that order. I have named my folders:
amiscwri
brecpros
and compmail

PINE sorts them alphabetically and I ignore the initial letter where
appropriate and proceed from there. You have 26 categories just by
using a single letter alphabet and if you have something later that
you want to squeeze between amiscwri and brecpros just name that
folder anjunk. The double letter forces the sort routine to do the
re-ordering of your folders. Works great in DOS too.

hinotruly

/h

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Stefan Puchta (Steiff) wrote:
>
> >> $$$YOU WILL NOT REGRET READING THIS$$$
> >>
>
> i did
> >
> >I don't think that this is the place for such strange dealings!!!
> >
> >everardo
> yes. i think he should try comp.lang.cobol
> maybe he�ll find some interested persons

I find that if I check between the cushions on my couch, I usually find
"THAT EXTRA CASH".

oh yea, under the seat in my car is good too...

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Hi,
I am trying to use pc-pine at home to aceess my mail from my unix server. However, I am always told that login refused or cannot find inbox. Please help.

thanks

--boon phing
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hello people

The only other question I can think of is in my address book, I want to
just make one huge list of all the other lists but I sure as hell don't
want to type it out, so I made another list with nickname "mlf", all the
other nicknames for the other lists were "ml1", "ml2", "ml3" etc... to
"ml8". Anyways, under the address of "mlf" I put
"ml1,ml2,ml3,ml4,ml5,ml6,ml7,ml8" expecting the lists to unexpand but it
simply stays as "ml1,ml2,ml3,ml4..." so this means I have to keep the
other lists but I would like to delete them if possible and just get one
list with all the addresses in it, is this possible?

better if you could reply me privatly, as i am not on this mailing list

Thank you

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Subject: Joe / Pine Interface Problem
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I posted the article below recently on comp.editors. I want to
emphasize that this problems occurs *ONLY* when my alternate editor is
invoked specifically by Pine, and under no other circumstances. One
respondent speculated that Pine's screen control may not be well
debugged for alternate editors and may be causing Joe's screen control
to get a little flaky. Anybody got any war stories or wisdom to share?
Thanks. -- Paul

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:05:06 -0500
>From: Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Joe / Pine Interface Problem

Environment: SunOS 4.1.4, dialin to shell account (Cshell) from DOS
with ProComm Plus v2/DOS, VT100 emulation. Editor: Joe 2.8. Mail/
newsreader: Pine 3.96. The problem arises whether I use my ISP's
compiled version of Joe, or whether I compile Joe myself. The problem
only seems to arise when I use Joe as my alternate editor under Pine.

When composing a message under Pine, Pine opens a file
/tmp/pico.nnnnn, where nnnnn is some (temporarily) unique number.
If there is quoted material, as in a reply or followup, Pine first
inserts the material, with the quoting string, into the /tmp/... file.
It then passes control to the editor, which may be its own built-in
composer (ugh!) or a user-specified alternate editor (Joe 2.8 in my
case).

However, when editing this file, visible characters have a way of
dropping off the display, to be replaced by blanks. They have not
dropped out of the file: a screen refresh command will bring them right
back. But it is annoying, to say the least. The dropping of
characters seems to occur mostly when simply moving the cursor and when
deleting characters (one or more characters to the right of the cursor
position may get replaced by blanks). Also, this phenomenon only seems
to occur when editing the temporary file set up by Pine, not when
editing a file when Joe is invoked from the command line.

I admit I am a user, not a Un*x guru, so I don't really know where
to start looking. Anyone have similar experiences or wisdom to share?
Please also Cc: on any responses, as my newsfeed is rather flaky just
now, and I might miss a posted response. Thanks very much.

Paul <[email protected]>
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On 30 Mar 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Big Chief Crazy Cone wrote:
>
> > [Regarding the loss of a message under composition when
> > [the carrier dropped on a dial-up connection]
>
> Sorry, your message is lost.
>
> There is another message in its place, however. That message is
> something everyone should know. *Never* type in a long (or even short)
> important email over a dialup connection. [...]

I do not entirely agree, Ed. Your advice may be sound if one is
using Pine's rather wimpy built-in composer, but the problem may not
occur (or, at least, so severely) if one is using an alternate editor,
as permitted in the Pine configuration.

For example, I use Joe 2.8 as my editor on a Un*x system. (I
should specify that that latter fact is highly relevant.) From time
to time I experience a carrier drop when I am composing. When the
connection breaks, Un*x sends a signal to my immediately active
process, Joe, which writes the workspace out to my current directory
under a reserved name. Then Un*x cleans up and terminates the session.
When I log back on, I can start the composition again and read in the
saved file, losing no more than a few keystrokes, and sometimes not
even that. I presume that other, more sophisticated editors than the
Pine composer, could do the same thing under Un*x. I haven't lost any
work yet, and I _do_ suffer carrier drops.

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Greetings:

I am also a subscriber of IBM Global Network and, like yourself, tried to
use Pine to read/send mail and do news. However, I was forced to abandon
my efforts in this direction for the time being because I discovered that
the the IBM pop-mail (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net) host does NOT support the IMAP
protocol.

Now, maybe Amiga Pine, like its UNIX cousin, supports POP3 but PC Pine for
Windows 95 does not. :(

Good luck!

Regards,

Chester Paul S'groi Pax Christi
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Fred Heitkamp <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>...
> I download pine 3.93 for the Amiga and was amazed at how much
> nicer it was than 3.91. Anyway, when I put the server names in
> the .pinerc file and try to check my mail I get a 'no such host'
> error. When I ping the hosts they are there. The server
> name seems to be correct in the error message. e.g.
> pop01.ny.us.ibm.net. Also I get a message like 'can't file
> >NIL:' which is really strange.
>
> I am using AmiTCP 4.0 demo, and the UUCP stuff.
>
> Any hints?
>
> --
> Fred Heitkamp
> E-mail: [email protected] or [email protected]
>

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On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Paul O Bartlett wrote:
>On 30 Mar 1997, Edward M Greshko wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Big Chief Crazy Cone wrote:

>> > [Regarding the loss of a message under composition when
>> > [the carrier dropped on a dial-up connection]
>>
>> Sorry, your message is lost.
>>
>> There is another message in its place, however. That message is
>> something everyone should know. *Never* type in a long (or even short)
>> important email over a dialup connection. [...]
>
> I do not entirely agree, Ed. Your advice may be sound if one is
>using Pine's rather wimpy built-in composer, but the problem may not
>occur (or, at least, so severely) if one is using an alternate editor,
>as permitted in the Pine configuration.

[snipped eloquent praise of joe]

*clapclap* I think Paul's remark is really touching a sore spot with pine.
Pico really isn't that great and joe isn't that much bigger. Is there any
reason for pico being distributed along with pine instead of joe? I don't
see any real disadvantages that joe might have. Besides, it can be run as
jpico... :-/

So, imvho, either pico needs some improvements (like better yanking,
foolproof autosave and a couple of other small things) or maybe joe might
just be a better alternative. And yes, I don't like vim, Sven >;->

Later,
Robin

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I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, AND
I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?

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You don't need Joe, etc to have your work be saved. I use Pine 3.95
with the so-called 'wimpy' internal editor, and my work is not lost if
the connection is lost. It is saved. It seems like magic... I think
it has to do more with how the system is setup than the particular
editor you are using.

Kevin

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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
->*clapclap* I think Paul's remark is really touching a sore spot with pine.
->Pico really isn't that great and joe isn't that much bigger. Is there any
->reason for pico being distributed along with pine instead of joe? I don't
->see any real disadvantages that joe might have. Besides, it can be run as
->jpico... :-/

Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple. I have talked with
Pine developers before about this, such as about an idea to add a new
feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this point. And I
agree with them. I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can type
very quickly and not worry about having too many commands. And by
being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly. The only thing I
miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.

Kevin

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<SNIP>
> However, when editing this file, visible characters have a way of
> dropping off the display, to be replaced by blanks. They have not
> dropped out of the file: a screen refresh command will bring them right
> back. But it is annoying, to say the least. The dropping of
</SNIP>

I wish I had more detail for you, unfortunately I'm running under Win
95 right now, but I remember getting the same thing using joe
to edit/create HTML files. I don't know if it was ONLY HTML files,
but that's mostly what I use it for. At the time I was running Linux
2.0.0 and older, now I run Linux 2.0.29 with whatever joe came with
slackware-3.2.-beta and I haven't seen it since.

Jason

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That's the intended behavior...
In Pine 4.x you'll have some choices for where the cursor lands when
opening incoming folders.

-teg

On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> In the folder collections, upon opening the cursor always sits at the last
> message in the folder, whereas it sits on the first unread message in the
> regular incoming folders. Did I miss a setting or is this the wanted
> behaviour?
>
> TIA,
> Robin
>
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On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Knute Snortum wrote:

> Has anyone been using Pine 3.91 through 3.95 successfully with SCO
> System V? We are getting huge core dumps almost daily. We use mostly
> PC's running TinyTerm via TCP if that matters.
>
> Will 3.96 solve the problem? Does anyone have a binary for SCO SV of
> 3.96?
>
> This may be one of those "why ask why?" questions, but why doesn't the U
> of W support SCO? Maybe because there aren't enough users to warrant
> it...

There certainly are not enough of them at UW! Sorry...

(I do believe others have succeeded in getting recent Pines to work on
SCO, however. Perhaps one of them will offer the magic incantation.)

-teg

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How are you accessing your inbox? You should not see this message if you
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-teg

On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Tom D. Baccanti wrote:

> This message appears in my mailbox when I send mail thru pc pine
> under win95.
>
>
> This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
> a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software.
> If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
> with the data reset to initial values.
>
>
>
> --
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> Visit The Outpost today at Http://users.deltanet.com/~tdb
>
>
>

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Big Chief,
Pine does attempt to detect "hangups" and preserve your work;
however, for reasons not yet understood, it doesn't always succeed.

As a backup, recent versions of Pine will write a checkpoint file
every 250 keystrokes or so. These will be in your home directory
with names like #pico23005#

Hope this helps...

-teg

On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Big Chief Crazy Cone wrote:

> I just spent all day writing an assigment for my economics class. The
> moment I finished and went to proofread, the cursor froze and the words
> NO CARRIER
> appeared on the screen. I was forced to quit the program. I reconnected
> and found that my paper had been completely lost. This has happened
> before, usually it asks if I want to continue with my interrupted message.
> What I wrote was very good, I don't want nor have the time to do it again.
> Can you please help me to find my lost message? The method I used for the
> address was to pull up an old letter and simply press 'R' for reply - if
> that information helps at all. the address was
> [email protected]. Please help me.
>
>

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Terry Gray noted,
> As a backup, recent versions of Pine will write a checkpoint file
> every 250 keystrokes or so. These will be in your home directory
> with names like #pico23005#

A user here was just saved retyping a long message by this.

This also means I was mistaken recently in saying Pine Composer does
not auto-save at all as Emacs does and that this is a Pine bug.

Joseph Brennan Postmaster Academic Information Systems
Columbia University in the City of New York
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Kevin J. Sinclair wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

>->Is there any reason for pico being distributed along with pine instead
>->of joe? I don't see any real disadvantages that joe might have.
>->Besides, it can be run as jpico... :-/
>
>Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple.

But so is jpico.

>I have talked with Pine developers before about this, such as about an
>idea to add a new feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this
>point.

Ok, so much for that discussion then :-)

>And I agree with them. I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can
>type very quickly and not worry about having too many commands. And by
>being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly. The only thing I
>miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.

Have you ever tried yanking a message like yours with pico? When I started
using pine, I did, and 2 minutes later, I had an alternative editor set up.
Yanking with pico is a pain, and it would certainly not have got me "up to
speed" having had to yank your message manually --- quite the contrary :-/

As for "having too many commands", I have to disagree --- these are the
commands you get with jpico, and you could of course take away some for
beginners (hope this comes out ok...) :

##############################################################################
Help Screen turn off with ^G more help with ^[. (ESC .)

CURSOR GO TO BLOCK DELETE MISC EXIT
^B left ^F right ^[Y top of file ^^ mark ^D char ^J format ^X save
^P up ^N down ^[V end of file ^K cut ^K line ^T spell ^C abort
^Y prev. screen ^A beg. of line ^U paste ^[K >line ^[T file ^Z shell
^V next screen ^E end of line ^[U select ^[H word< ^L refresh FILE
^@ prev. word ^[L line No. ^O save ^[D >word ^[^[ options ^O save
^_ next word ^W find text ^[/ filter ^[- undo ^[= redo ^R insert
##############################################################################

I cannot see what's too complicated with that. But then again, I'm using
emacs... >:->

Cheers,
Robin

Robin S. Socha | Bonner Talweg 56 | Tel: +49 228 22217-8
Political Science Dept. | 53113 Bonn | Fax: +49 228 22217-9
Bonn University | Germany | email: [email protected]

On the package it said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"
... so I got myself Linux.

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To: Pine Developers <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Bug (ID 3899W):

I recently installed windows 95 and can no longer print email as hard copy.
Can you suggest how to correct this problem?

With Thanks,
F. Abeles

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========== struct pine * ==========
ui: login = fabeles, full = ABELES
home = /usr/admin/fac/fabeles
home_dir= /usr/admin/fac/fabeles
hostname= turbo.kean.edu
localdom= kean.edu
userdom= NULL
maildom= turbo.kean.edu
cur_cntxt= mail/[]
cur_fldr= sent-mail
actual mbox= /usr/admin/fac/fabeles/mail/sent-mail
msgmap: tot=19, cur=15, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival
actual inbox= /usr/spool/mail/fabeles
inbox map: tot=521, cur=520, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival
term type=vt100, ttyname=/dev/ttyp2, size=24x80, speed=normal
======= Current_val options set =======
personal-name : ABELES
user-id : fabeles
inbox-path : inbox
folder-collections : mail/[]
default-fcc : sent-mail
postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
mail-directory : mail
signature-file : .signature
address-book : .addressbook
feature-list : enable-aggregate-command-set
: save-will-not-delete
saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
sort-key : arrival
addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
use-only-domain-name : no
printer : attached-to-ansi
standard-printer : lpr
last-time-prune-ques : 97.3
last-version-used : 3.91
bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
bugs-address : [email protected]
elm-style-save : no
header-in-reply : no
feature-level : sapling
old-style-reply : no
save-by-sender : no
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (/usr/admin/fac/fabeles/.pinerc) =======
feature-list : enable-aggregate-command-set
: save-will-not-delete
printer : attached-to-ansi
last-time-prune-ques : 97.3
last-version-used : 3.91
======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) =======
inbox-path : inbox
default-fcc : sent-mail
postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
mail-directory : mail
signature-file : .signature
address-book : .addressbook
saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
sort-key : arrival
addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
use-only-domain-name : no
printer : attached-to-ansi
standard-printer : lpr
bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
bugs-address : [email protected]
elm-style-save : no
header-in-reply : no
feature-level : sapling
old-style-reply : no
save-by-sender : no
======= Fixed_val options set (NO pine.conf.fixed) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
no-assume-slow-link
no-auto-move-read-msgs
no-auto-open-next-unread
no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
no-delete-skips-deleted
no-disable-config-cmd
no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
no-disable-password-cmd
no-disable-update-cmd
enable-aggregate-command-set
no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd
no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
no-enable-bounce-cmd
no-enable-flag-cmd
no-enable-full-header-cmd
no-enable-incoming-folders
no-enable-jump-shortcut
no-enable-mail-check-cue
no-enable-suspend
no-enable-tab-completion
no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd
no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
no-expanded-view-of-folders
no-expunge-without-confirm
no-include-attachments-in-reply
no-include-header-in-reply
no-include-text-in-reply
no-news-approximates-new-status
no-news-post-without-validation
no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
no-preserve-start-stop-characters
no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
no-quit-without-confirm
no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
save-will-not-delete
no-save-will-advance
no-select-without-confirm
no-show-selected-in-boldface
no-signature-at-bottom
no-use-current-dir
no-use-function-keys

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I am running a system that used sendmail with imapd, rimapd and pop3 for
mail access.

I have set up mail access to work remotely through pine using the

inbox={mailhost.dstc.uts.edu.au}inbox

and have .rhosts set up to allow opening inbox without putting the
password in.

The only thing is that it no longer works, and I was puzzled at why,
until I created a new user account, and initially the new user could log
in without typing in the password, but once netscape was used to
retrieve mail, pine will always ask for a password. This is regardless
of whether a .rhosts exists or not.

I can't be sure if this is the reason, but it seems as though it is.
I've checked out dot files in my home directory to see if anything could
be causing problems, but all seems fine...

Has anyone else seen this problem before??? or does anyone have any
ideas...???

marty

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On 2 Apr 1997 10:27:27 -0800, Kevin J. Sinclair <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple. I have talked with
>Pine developers before about this, such as about an idea to add a new
>feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this point. And I
>agree with them. I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can type
>very quickly and not worry about having too many commands. And by
>being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly. The only thing I
>miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.

When viewing a message, press 'w', to search for a word. When composing a
message, (in the highly exalted pico editor), press '^W', for the same
command.

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On 2 Apr 1997, Sandra Wald wrote:

> I am using default value for inbox on Unix Pine. But I no longer have 5
> messages that appear in box. We have determined that once IMAP server is
> used (i.e. when using pc pine to read Unix mail) the mail from the system
> inbox appears to be moved to mbox on unix. Pc Pine, and IMAP check seem to
> check both locations for inbox mail.

Unix Pine does not have the "mbox" driver compiled in by default, but
the latest IMAP4rev1 servers do. However, the mbox driver should not
move any mail unless the mbox file already exists, and is in a valid
format. The quick fix would be to rename the mbox file and copy the
messages back to INBOX. To make sure this doesn't happen again, check
to see that Unix Pine and your IMAP server are compiled with the same
set of drivers. If you compile both out of the same Pine
distribution, that is done automatically.

Hope that helps!

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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Eduardo Cezar Fascio wrote:

> I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, AND
> I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?

!NO GRITE POR FAVOR!

Your picture is probably uuencoded so that it can be included as text in
the body of the message.

Try saving it to a file and enter the command "uudecode [filename]". You
need not delete any header info and test before the "start" instruction -
uudecode is smart enough to find the part it has to work on.

If you are reading mail stored on your computer and not on a Unix server,
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Si prefiere que repita esto en espan~ol, envieme un E-mail directamente a:

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Hello...

We are users of pine since version 3.9, we usually print our menssages
with
TCP/IP DOS aplication, never present problems with option
"attchm-to-ansi".

Now we change our computers with W95, the users want still access pine in
a server unix, with telnet of W95. Unfortunately W95 telnet has many
problems
to print with option "attchm-to-ansi", simple, no print.

Now a days we use pine 3.94 for UNIX of HP-UX 9.05.

Could you tell us, how to resolv this problem ?
We really need help

Any help would be appreciated it.

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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, ABELES wrote:

>I recently installed windows 95 and can no longer print email as hard
>copy. Can you suggest how to correct this problem?

Your config says you're printing "attached-to-ansi".

Here's a snippet from the faq:

Why doesn't "attached-to-ansi" printing work?

So-called "attached-to-ansi" printing relies on the communication
software you are using to interpret certain special characater
sequences that tell it to divert the incoming stream of characters to
your printer, and then back to your screen. Perhaps 99% of "pine
printing problems" are either due to PC or Mac communications software
that doesn't understand ANSI escape sequences for printing, or (in the
dialin case) softare flow- control problems.
[...]

1. Check For Software Flow-Control Problems
A. Try enabling "preserve-start-stop-characters" (requires 3.91 or
later)
B. If that doesn't help, verify that the OS is enabling s/w flow
control; if it isn't, you can either change that in a global
.login script, or as a worst case, wrap pine in a script that does
it. By the way, on our AIX systems, we had to execute "stty -ixon"
followed by "stty ixon" --no one here knows why the first stty is
needed. (Note that explicitly enabling s/w flow control in the OS
will not be needed in 3.92 or later).
C. If neither of the above apply, double-check that you actually have
*some* kind of flow control enabled on your system, either hardware
or software.

2. Check Your Comm Software For Ansi Printing Capability
A. After ruling out s/w flow control problems, if printing still doesn't
work, the odds are that the PC or Mac comm s/w is at fault. I don't
know how to determine this other than via trial-and-error and
word-of-mouth.
B. The "ansiprt" utility included in the pine distribution can also be
used for testing. It simply sends the specified text file to user's
terminal device, bracketed with the ANSI escape sequences for print
diversion. This is just what Pine does as well (although some
versions of ansiprt offer a few options not available via Pine.)

3. Possible Other Printing Problems
A. Printing via Pine's "attached-to-ansi" facility to a postscript-only
printer. Pine does not yet have the ability to encapsulate text into
postscript, ala "enscript", so the custom print option using enscript
and ansiprt will be needed in that case.
B. Other printer-specific configuration problems. For example, whether
or not the printer needs a trailing formfeed to eject the last page,
or a control-D, or non-Unix newline conventions, etc. Many of these
problem will also require using the custom print command option and
"ansiprt".

Hope that helps and stuff...

Later,
Robin

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On 2 Apr 1997, Jorge Juarez Xospa wrote:

>We are users of pine since version 3.9, we usually print our menssages
>with TCP/IP DOS aplication, never present problems with option
>"attchm-to-ansi".
>Now we change our computers with W95, the users want still access pine in
>a server unix, with telnet of W95. Unfortunately W95 telnet has many
>problems to print with option "attchm-to-ansi", simple, no print.
>Now a days we use pine 3.94 for UNIX of HP-UX 9.05.
>Could you tell us, how to resolv this problem ?

Here's something from the "secrets" for a change:

* Experience has shown that printing difficulties using Pine's
"Attached-to-ANSI" feature are almost always due to problems with the
PC or Mac communication programs being used (not all of them
implement the ANSI standard control sequences for printing), or the
printer configuration on the PC or Mac; however, there are cases
where Pine's printing assumptions don't match what your printer
requires (e.g. specific End-of-line convention, or suppression of the
trailing form-feed to eject the last page, or needing PostScript). In
these cases, setting a custom print command may be appropriate,
perhaps using the "ansiprt" Unix command included in the Pine
distribution and the commonly available "enscript" postscript encoder
command.

Make sure to check the FAQ for further information... This document, as well
as other valuable information on pine can be obtained from *yawn*:

http://www.washington.edu/pine

>We really need help

Si, and you need something to fix your line--length, too... Your mail looked
kinda "not so good" to say the least %-/

Cheers,
Robin

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In article <[email protected]>,
Sylvain Robitaille <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2 Apr 1997 10:27:27 -0800, Kevin J. Sinclair <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Pine is designed to be simple, and Pico is simple. I have talked with
>>Pine developers before about this, such as about an idea to add a new
>>feature to Pine/Pico, and they are really set on this point. And I
>>agree with them. I use Pine a lot, and I like it simple so I can type
>>very quickly and not worry about having too many commands. And by
>>being simple, new users can get up to speed quickly. The only thing I
>>miss in Pine/Pico is a search capability.
>
>When viewing a message, press 'w', to search for a word. When composing a
>message, (in the highly exalted pico editor), press '^W', for the same
>command.

Much as I enjoy using Pine as my regular mail program (albeit with
enable-alternate-editor-implicitly set to vim), I would prefer that it
stick to the standard UNIX conventions (like ctrl-U to erase the current
line rather than ctrl-K; using '/' to search rather than ctrl-W).

Otherwise, yes, it is actually a model program in how it manages to achieve
an acceptible compromise between simplicity and usability (and it is _very_
usable, when combined with a decent editor and procmail).

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On 2 Apr 1997, Steve Simmons wrote:

> Steve Machol <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >The point of my question was - how do I filter on the "Bcc:" field?
> >If I could do this, then I can effectively eliminate any spam sent to
> >me usinf Bcc.
>
> You're out of luck. There are a number of mailer agents which put
> no Bcc: field in the message sent, and the spammers use them.

There is another point being overlooked here. Bcc: was not
conjured up a long time ago merely to make life easier for spammers.
It has a real, real-world, and specific purpose to aid privacy. I have
sent mail with Bcc: for just that purpose, and I have been a Bcc:
recipient for just that purpose. Trying to discard *every* piece of
mail that comes via Bcc: could mean that you discard some important
personal mail.

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Hello,

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to block mails from coming from a
certain address. For instance, if I don't want to get any emails from
the address [email protected], the mails will be bounced back to "abc"
whenever "abc" sends me emails.

Thanks in advance.

Anand

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Anand Virani wrote:

>Can anyone tell me if there is a way to block mails from coming from a
>certain address.

- From "FAQ.where":

Pine does not perform delivery filtering; that is the function of other
programs, such as (on Unix hosts) "procmail" or "mailagent."
For details on selection and configuration of such programs, see the
Filtering Mail FAQ (by Nancy McGough) at one of the following
locations:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/
faq.html
http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html
ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/internet/filtering_mail_faq.txt
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq

>For instance, if I don't want to get any emails from the address
>[email protected], the mails will be bounced back to "abc" whenever "abc"
>sends me emails.

Bouncing is nice but not very useful. Either send those mails to /dev/null
or create a kill-file that does something else with them. Remember to test
this file *thoroughly* before using it *blush*. With procmail, the following
should do:

:0:
* ^From.*rcummins
/dev/null

to filter all mail from a certain loser whose email address contains the
appropriate characters.

Otherwise, check the procmail man pages and mailing list (which is
*really* good).

Later,
Robin

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I have occasion to compose messages in French, Spanish, and German using Pine (I'm using version
3.9.something; I forget the exact version number). On my computer using Windows 95 at work I
have no problem supplying the various unlauts, circumflexes, etc. using the Windows convention
of ALT + numeric pad key.

At home I use a Macintosh. When I'm in Pine, the Mac convention of adding diacritics by pressing
the Option with another key doesn't work.

Can anyone tell me if there is some way of adding diacritics in Pine on a Mac?

Buzz Haughton
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When April began, pine 3.96 asked me to move current "sentmail" to
"sent-mail-mar-1997" for about 24 hours!

Can I configure pine to ask this once? where?

Thanks.

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From: [email protected] (Sandra Wald)
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Subject: pc pine, Unix Pine IMAP server and inboxes
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I am having a problem with inboxes that Pine uses. I have my mail on an
unix system. I have been using Pine for a couple of years, currently using
version 3.95 on unix. Yesterday I tried pc pine for the first time and
configured it to read my unix mail. Once Pc Pine had read the inbox, then
the Unix version of Pine no longer had any messages in its inbox. (I
originally had 5 read message in my pine inbox.)

Here is my setting for Pine on UNix:
personal-name = Sandra J. Wald
user-domain = <No Value Set>
smtp-server = <No Value Set>
nntp-server = news.doit.wisc.edu
inbox-path = <No Value Set: using "inbox">
folder-collections = mail/[]
news-collections = <Empty Value>
incoming-archive-folders = <No Value Set>
pruned-folders = <No Value Set>
default-fcc = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">
default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">

default-fcc = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">
default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">
postponed-folder = <No Value Set: using "postponed-msgs">
read-message-folder = <No Value Set>
signature-file = <No Value Set: using ".signature">
global-address-book = <No Value Set>
address-book = <No Value Set: using ".addressbook">
feature-list =

I am using default value for inbox on Unix Pine. But I no longer have 5
messages that appear in box. We have determined that once IMAP server is
used (i.e. when using pc pine to read Unix mail) the mail from the system
inbox appears to be moved to mbox on unix. Pc Pine, and IMAP check seem to
check both locations for inbox mail. If I configure Unix Pine as follows:
inbox-path = {ssc.wisc.edu}inbox

ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
also houses an Imap server.

ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
also houses an Imap server.

When Unix Pine is started using this config then I get the following,
where I must login into the mail server called duncan:
Copyright 1989-1996. PINE is a trademark of the University of
Washington.
HOST: duncan.ssc.wisc.edu ENTER LOGIN NAME: swald
^G Help
^C Cancel Ret Accept

After I log in then I will see my 5 mail messages in the inbox.

So it seems IMAP Server checks both locations.

******* the question *************

1. Is there some way to configure the IMAP server so it leaves mail in the
System INBOX and does not move inbox mail once retrieved to unix mbox?

We notice that Netscape also seems to have a problem retrieving inbox mail
once the mail has gone thru imap server.

thank you,
Sandra

--
Sandra J. Wald
[email protected]
(608) 265-4922

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Sorry to crowd your e-mail box but, how do I unsubscribe?

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Some mail application readers support the "Proposed Standard for Message
Encapsulation", aka RFC-934. The digest is put together using a dash
(decimal code 45, "-") which acts as an encapsulation boundary. Some
newgroups are also formatted this way when mailed.

Is it likely that pine will support a digest and bursting option for
forwarding messages containing several encapsulations in addition
to multiple attachments that it currently does?

Thanks,

Mark Colosia
Fermi Natl Lab
Batavia, IL, USA

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I have a user who has a number of folders that, for some unknown reason,
Pine thinks should be read-only.

I have tried twiddling with the "From " headers, restarting the NFS
daemons on the machine that serves the files (including the lockd) and
even tried copying the file and looking at that copy. None of these
remedies changed anything. The file shows up as one big message that is
read only.

Any Ideas?

Pine 3.95q on SunOS 4.1.x

TIA

Hacksaw = David Charles Todd
BBN = Hacksaw's Employer
Hacksaw's Opinions != BBN's Opinions
It's hard to (rec'' (e) ni'ze bee''ch)

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On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Who am I? wrote:

>
> This is exactly how Pine 3.93 is for me.
>
> *****************************************************************************
> Albert Chi Cal Hoops '96-97: Hope for the Future?

Not *positive* but 3.96 seems to have fixed that little prob....I tried
for two afternoons with my smail config and my pine configs to make my
name appear instead of the email address I had send the message to....now
it magically works fine...prolly just the upgrade to 3.96 that did it
though. ymmv

Richard Morin
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-Rich M

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I received a message from a friend in Germany and the system
does not know how to display it. Is there anything I can do to fix
this? What should I do?
Thanks.

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Can anyone send me a copy of a mail bomb but don't activate it on me??? I
don't have the mail bomb software and i would like to have it??? If anyone
can get it for me i will try to do a favor for them.... Thanks alot all
cya!!!!!

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[email protected] (Leonardo J. Rodriguez):
> I received a message from a friend in Germany and the system does not know
> how to display it. Is there anything I can do to fix this? What should I
> do?

Give info! We cannot see your system from here! (Newbies - sheesh!)

Sven

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

> Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
> and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
> e-mail to each person in that file?
Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I
haven't tried): import the file into the text of a
message to yourself; send it; when it arrives, use T
(ake address) on it, and go from there.

R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP) There are no good spammers.
Library of Congress Dead ones just dry up and
Washington, DC 20540-4120 stink less.
[email protected] I speak for me.Only.

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You are correct. This ought to work and it is a bug that it doesn't. It
will be fixed in next version of Pine. We'll also try to take a
look at the documentation. Thanks!

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

> [...]
>
> pine -l -Il,SPACE
>
> will start Pine and locate the cursor/highlight on the last line of the
> second (news) folder collection. However,
>
> pine -l -Il,SPACE,UP,UP,UP
>
> draws this error messsage:
>
> [Mixed characters and function keys in "initial-keystroke-list", skipping!]
>
> Unless I have overlooked something in the online documentation, this
> second string ought to work, but it doesn't. A query to my ISP's help
> desk has gone unanswered. Anybody with a similar experience or
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks very much.
> Paul <[email protected]>

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I checked the Faq but didn't see an answer.

Is there a way to exit PINE without it saving changes
such as which messages were read and leaving the inbox
intact before the PINE access?

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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Steven Premeau wrote:
> I have been dealing with Pine on an AIX 4.2 machine. We have
> configured pine to handle Tenex folders. One of our users came by, and
> said he was getting the following error: "COPY failed: Invalid
> Berkeley-format mailbox name: .."

I don't know whether or not this helps you find the problem, but this
error message only happens if the *source* mailbox is in Berkeley format.

-- Mark --

Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address.

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I am using Pine 3.91. I have posted to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/email
and not gotten an answer. I want to know how to change my "from" address to
include "nospam" or similar (when posting publically. i.e. usenet). I looked
online, and could find many a reference TO it, but not how to DO it.
I have a NEW ISP from tomorrow, and DON'T want my new address to be
attacked by spam like THIS address has been recently (following usenet
postings).

Thanks.

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, R R Neuswanger wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

>> Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses, and create a
>> maillist, or in some other way to send e-mail to each person in that
>> file?
> Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I haven't tried):
>import the file into the text of a message to yourself; send it; when it
>arrives, use T (ake address) on it, and go from there.

Good idea for a small list, maybe not so good for a long one...

Check the format of the file containing the addresses. If it isn't ascii,
convert it. Then check the format of the file ~/.addressbook. See if the two
formats somehow match. Then throw up your hands in dispair and get someone
who knows a little perl. It shouldn't be a problem to convert it. You
probably don't want to use pine for running a mailing list, though :-)

Later,
Robin

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 [email protected] wrote:

My, my...



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What the world needs now is killfiles that actually kill.

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Leonardo J. Rodriguez wrote:

> I received a message from a friend in Germany and the system does
>not know how to display it. Is there anything I can do to fix this? What
>should I do?

That depends... If it's the usual cheerful brick through your living room
window, there's not much you can do --- except get used to local customs.
>:->

Otherwise, go to the S(etup), C(onfig) screen and set the character set like
this:

# Reflects capabilities of the display you have. Default: US-ASCII.
# Typical alternatives include ISO-8859-x, (x is a number between 1 and 9).
character-set=iso-8859-1

Enjoy,
Robin

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Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
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To get my pgp public key, send an e-mail with the subject "get pgp-key"

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Hi, I am using Pine on Linux. How do I configure pine and use it with
my POP3 server? I use a dial-in access to my ISP for internet access.
How do I log on to my POP3 server? I can send mail right now, but I
cannot receive mail.

However, I still have one problem in sending mail. My email address is
[email protected]

But when I send mail, my email address becomes [email protected]
Must have create a separate account with the username jlau in order for
my email address to appear correctly?

Thanks in advnace. Please reply via mail.

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On 3 Apr 1997 13:56:21 -0600,
Randy Gober LTA/GRA <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Nathan D Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Email viruses are a hoax!
>>There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
>>
>
>Go back and read the whole thing. You may have missed the point
>on the "Better Times Virus"

You only get the point if you've read the Good Times Virus alerts. Anybody who
reads this newsgroup with any amount of regularity, (that would require a
termninal in the reading room, right? I'll have to get on that), would know
that Robin knows enough to not have been sending that seriously. Now, even if
someone didn't know that, if they read the message carefully, they'd see
enough clues to indicate that this was not just any hoax, but a hoaxed hoax.

So what does the Socha virus do, btw???

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Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
e-mail to each person in that file? I'm only talking
< 120 folks, but I sure don't want to type each one
in separately.

Thanks for any help...

Regards,
Dennis M. Maurer

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On 1 Apr 1997, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:

> Well, if you did not read the whole thing, you missed a very "Good Time".
> It was one of the better parodies of the "newbie virus" that I have seen.
> Of course, people who read email with MS's MUA's and who have Word on their
> systems really *do* have to worry about reading the wrong email messages,
> because of Word macro viruses.
Oh yes, indeed they do! Mcafee have now found a word macro virus that
will startup microsoft mail and mail itself as an attachment to three
random people in your address book ...

The receiver still has to read the attachment manually though.

The virus message has the subject "You have GOT to read this!"

The virus/worm is called 'ShareTheFun' ...

--
Rob. (Robert de Bath <[email protected]>)

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Since we upgraded sendmail from 8.7.1 to 8.8.5, userdb.db didn't
seem to work anymore (i.e. the outgoing addresses didn't get rewrite).
Worse, whenever we tried to evoke pine (3.9.6), it always
shows 'incomplete maildomain xxx.' followed by 'Return address
you send my be incorrect'. I added to add FQDN (although it
was unnecessary) but it still gave me the same error.
We are using Solaris 2.5.1. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Shinn

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[email protected] wrote:

>snip<

> But then, how many people in this newsgroup read their mail in Netscape
> anyway? <g>
>
> -Ken

Oops! No wonder I couldn't find any naked lady binaries to decode!

Seriously, I find lurking a very educational hobby. If I'm going to be
talking to Unix boxes, I'm not afraid to try to learn when and where I
can.

Thanks for the education.
--
Jim Love

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Sometimes when I am responding to a message I choose to include some of the
text of the message. When I attempt to send it I get error messages which
include a number. I end up abandoning and starting from scratch. How can
I find out what these errors mean and how to correct them?

Thanks,
David

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On 4 Apr 1997, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
>Randy Gober LTA/GRA <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Nathan D Richards <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>Email viruses are a hoax! There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
>>Go back and read the whole thing. You may have missed the point on the
>>"Better Times Virus"
>You only get the point if you've read the Good Times Virus alerts.
>Anybody who reads this newsgroup with any amount of regularity, (that
>would require a termninal in the reading room, right? I'll have to get on
>that),

You don't have one yet? Couldn't live without it >:->

>would know that Robin knows enough to not have been sending that
>seriously.

Shhhh, you're runing my reputation :)

>So what does the Socha virus do, btw???

It turns you into a really KeWL guy with a profound knowledge of nothing
special, a revolting sense of humour, a large set of random flames just a
keystroke away and a throng of fervent adorers like that certain loser
somewhere at the other end of intelligence.

Get it while you can!

Be warned though, there is a lame copy out there that infects *.com and
*.exe files. But who's using Windos, anyway? What's a virus? Bill WHO?

Later,
Robin

P.S. *blush*

- Keep your questions and comments relevant to the focus of
the discussion group.

Well, whatever...

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:
>On 1 Apr 1997, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:

["interesting" stuff about Wixword snipped]
>Oh yes, indeed they do! Mcafee have now found a word macro virus that
>will startup microsoft mail and mail itself as an attachment to three
>random people in your address book ...

Thousands of Beta testers for Windos 00 or whatever the name was have found
a macro virus that will startup microsoft mail and mail a list of all files
on their system to Gates, along with some private stuff. So what? You ask
for it, you get it... Besides, that virus is at least 6 months old *yawn*
and a lame one, too... I like the one that fdisks your hdds without prior
notice. I think it's called NT 4.0 or something.

>The receiver still has to read the attachment manually though.

You read with your hands? Interesting idea, but since it's Word...
everything is possible... Where do you want to grab today?

>The virus message has the subject "You have GOT to read this!"

Naah, the virus message has the subject "made for Windows 3.x or better". It
doesn't say "You have GOT to trash this!", though. Gates ought to be sued
for criminal negligence...

>The virus/worm is called 'ShareTheFun' ...

It's called "ShareWare" and comes on handcrafted CDs with 650MB zipped
"commericial" software that doesn't have any copy protection to speak of.

Serious threat: Either you guys stop this thread, or at least have the
decency to take my name off the subject line. TIA. :)

Later,
Robin

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

>Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses, and create a
>maillist, or in some other way to send e-mail to each person in that
>file? I'm only talking < 120 folks, but I sure don't want to type each
>one in separately.

Two things for you to do:

1) Take a look at the format of .addressbook. Make your file match this
format. Since it's a fixed set of addresses, you might only need the entry
for the actual address, so that's a couple of lines in perl or something.

2) Take a look at the manual for information on distribution lists and
alternate address books. You'll like it :-)

Later,
Robin

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Can I do this with Pine? Or do I have to cut and paste my signature to
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I know you think you understood what I said,
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Try my home page http://www.erols.com/jpergal/ .

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In article <[email protected]>,
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>Email viruses are a hoax!
>There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
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Go back and read the whole thing. You may have missed the point
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----Randy

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My "inbox" folder is closed (I quote) <<due to acess problem>>. What is it
about?
Please Help me.
Thank U.

Joan-Manuel Baco, France.

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Yes, you can.

Try having a look at Pine's Setup Configuration screen; in particular at
the "signature-at-bottom" option there.

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Jack Pergal wrote:

> Can I do this with Pine? Or do I have to cut and paste my signature to
> where I want it?
>
>
> Jack
>
> I know you think you understood what I said,
> but I'm not sure I said what you think I meant.
>
> Try my home page http://www.erols.com/jpergal/ .
>
>

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, joan manuel baco wrote:

>My "inbox" folder is closed (I quote) <<due to acess problem>>. What is
>it about?

Well, it's what it says: There's a lock on your inbox folder. That means
that you probably have two sessions open. Close one and the problem should
go away. Someone suggested a work-around, but I forget what it was...

Later,
Robin

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Jack Pergal wrote:

>Can I do this with Pine? Or do I have to cut and paste my signature to
>where I want it?

>From the faq (yes! it *does* mean _frequently_ asked questions...)

Pine's default behavior encourages a user to put his or her contribution
before the inclusion of the original text of the message being forwarded or
replied to, This is contrary to some conventions, but makes the conversation
more readable when a long original message is included in a reply for
context. The reader doesn't have to scroll through the original text that he
or she has probably already seen to find the new text. If the reader wishes
to see the old message(s), the reader can scroll further into the message.
Users who prefer to add their input at the end of a message should set the
signature-at-bottom feature in the feature-list. The signature will then be
appended to the end of the message after any included text. This feature
applies when replying, not when forwarding.

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:

>
> Oh yes, indeed they do! Mcafee have now found a word macro virus that
> will startup microsoft mail and mail itself as an attachment to three
> random people in your address book ...
>
> The receiver still has to read the attachment manually though.
>

So is it an email virus or a word virus ? Any virus can be sent as an
attachment. You need a mailer that auto explodes/executes them to
cause a problem. The fact that is makes specific use of your mailer to
then resend itself may make the difference. So it a MS Mail virus ?

--Sean

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:
(snip)
> Check the format of the file containing the addresses. If it isn't ascii,
> convert it. Then check the format of the file ~/.addressbook. See if the two
> formats somehow match. Then throw up your hands in dispair and get someone
> who knows a little perl. It shouldn't be a problem to convert it. You
> probably don't want to use pine for running a mailing list, though :-)
(snip)
Once I manage to retire, I've *got* to buckle
down and go learn to program -- though of course then
I'll probably desist from running any sort of list...
:-)
Happy Friday, all!

R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Sean Witham wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:

[snipped irrelevant stuff about a bunch of Visual Basic]
>So is it an email virus or a word virus ?
[snipped more whining about Word]

1. This is the pine discussion forum, not the Mickysoft loser list.
2. Even if it were an email virus, it would only affect people whose names
are in MS-mail address books -- which is fine with me.
3. With Word Basic's capability of writing into the keyboard buffer, you can
do almost anything. Why make a fuss about this? It's a Word Macro Virus
that launches MS Mail. Nothing new about it, is there?

So will you twits stop using my name to discuss this bullcrap? There's Mime
Sweeper and a couple of other programs that care of these "viruses". After
all, they're just some Word Macros. If you don't find a way to disable the
autostart function for those macros, I'd say it's your own fault if you
nevertheless read mail from the net..

And: Who should send you these documents? Apart from the fact that I'm using
StarWriter for Linux (visit http://www.stardiv.de for a full office suite
for Linux for *free*) to open Word documents (what's a virus, anyway?), who
should send me that "infected" documents? If you read a document that isn't
pgp-signed; if you're reading stuff from a.s.s.; if you exchange Word
documents with people whose system you're not running yourself; if you
blablabla... In short: It's all your fault. In "times like these" with
millions of aol users on the loose, it's up to you to protect your system.
Using an operating system instead of Windos seems a good first step to me.

Could this thread be buried now, *prettyplease* ?

TIA

Robin

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do you know anything about pinus pondarosa.

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Sandra,
If messages disappear from your INBOX after running PC-Pine, look
closely at your *pc-pine* configuration... in particular, see if
there is a "read-message-folder" set.

-teg

On 2 Apr 1997, Sandra Wald wrote:

> I am having a problem with inboxes that Pine uses. I have my mail on an
> unix system. I have been using Pine for a couple of years, currently using
> version 3.95 on unix. Yesterday I tried pc pine for the first time and
> configured it to read my unix mail. Once Pc Pine had read the inbox, then
> the Unix version of Pine no longer had any messages in its inbox. (I
> originally had 5 read message in my pine inbox.)
>
> Here is my setting for Pine on UNix:
> personal-name = Sandra J. Wald
> user-domain = <No Value Set>
> smtp-server = <No Value Set>
> nntp-server = news.doit.wisc.edu
> inbox-path = <No Value Set: using "inbox">
> folder-collections = mail/[]
> news-collections = <Empty Value>
> incoming-archive-folders = <No Value Set>
> pruned-folders = <No Value Set>
> default-fcc = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">
> default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">
>
> default-fcc = <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">
> default-saved-msg-folder = <No Value Set: using "saved-messages">
> postponed-folder = <No Value Set: using "postponed-msgs">
> read-message-folder = <No Value Set>
> signature-file = <No Value Set: using ".signature">
> global-address-book = <No Value Set>
> address-book = <No Value Set: using ".addressbook">
> feature-list =
>
>
> I am using default value for inbox on Unix Pine. But I no longer have 5
> messages that appear in box. We have determined that once IMAP server is
> used (i.e. when using pc pine to read Unix mail) the mail from the system
> inbox appears to be moved to mbox on unix. Pc Pine, and IMAP check seem to
> check both locations for inbox mail. If I configure Unix Pine as follows:
> inbox-path = {ssc.wisc.edu}inbox
>
> ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
> also houses an Imap server.
>
> ssc.wisc.edu is generic name for our mail server called duncan, and it
> also houses an Imap server.
>
> When Unix Pine is started using this config then I get the following,
> where I must login into the mail server called duncan:
> Copyright 1989-1996. PINE is a trademark of the University of
> Washington.
> HOST: duncan.ssc.wisc.edu ENTER LOGIN NAME: swald
> ^G Help
> ^C Cancel Ret Accept
>
> After I log in then I will see my 5 mail messages in the inbox.
>
> So it seems IMAP Server checks both locations.
>
> ******* the question *************
>
>
> 1. Is there some way to configure the IMAP server so it leaves mail in the
> System INBOX and does not move inbox mail once retrieved to unix mbox?
>
> We notice that Netscape also seems to have a problem retrieving inbox mail
> once the mail has gone thru imap server.
>
>
> thank you,
> Sandra
>
>
> --
> Sandra J. Wald
> [email protected]
> (608) 265-4922
>

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R R Neuswanger ([email protected]) wrote:
: On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

: > Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
: > and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
: > e-mail to each person in that file?
: Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I
: haven't tried): import the file into the text of a
: message to yourself; send it; when it arrives, use T
: (ake address) on it, and go from there.

Thanks for the tip...
I tried the above and it did not work, anyone else ?

I need this feature to avoid typing 116 addresses not
to spam anyone. You can check several newsgroups and
see I am anti-spam.

Regards,
Dennis M. Maurer - my real name and e-mail address !!

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The kludge really should have worked. Which version of pine are you using?
Would you mind trying the kludge but mailing it to me instead of you so I
can figure out why it didn't work? Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

> R R Neuswanger ([email protected]) wrote:
> : On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:
>
> : > Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
> : > and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
> : > e-mail to each person in that file?
> : Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I
> : haven't tried): import the file into the text of a
> : message to yourself; send it; when it arrives, use T
> : (ake address) on it, and go from there.
>
> Thanks for the tip...
> I tried the above and it did not work, anyone else ?
>
> I need this feature to avoid typing 116 addresses not
> to spam anyone. You can check several newsgroups and
> see I am anti-spam.
>
> Regards,
> Dennis M. Maurer - my real name and e-mail address !!
>

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:

I understand you philosophical interest in this particular problem :-), but
the easiest solution imvho would be to edit the ascii file. I mean,
extracting those addresses from the mail would take longer than actually
typing them, wouldn't it? I strongly suspect that a little regexp-magic
would do the same in fractions of a second, but then again, I'm not a perl
wizard...

Later,
Robin

>The kludge really should have worked. Which version of pine are you
>using? Would you mind trying the kludge but mailing it to me instead of
>you so I can figure out why it didn't work? Thanks.
>On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:
>> R R Neuswanger ([email protected]) wrote:
>> : On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:
>> : > Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
>> : > and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
>> : > e-mail to each person in that file?
>> : Here's a kludge that ought to work (but that I haven't tried):
>> : import the file into the text of a message to yourself; send it; when
>> : it arrives, use T (ake address) on it, and go from there.
>> Thanks for the tip... I tried the above and it did not work, anyone
>> else ? I need this feature to avoid typing 116 addresses not to spam
>> anyone. You can check several newsgroups and see I am anti-spam.

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Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail? Can't someone
else read e-mail addressed to me? A prompt response would be most
appreciated. Thank you - please respond to [email protected]

diane a. walsh

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Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP). Anybody with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..

-Sphinx

-----Original Message-----
From: Diane A. Walsh [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 12:17 PM
To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: e-mail privacy

Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail? Can't someone
else read e-mail addressed to me? A prompt response would be most
appreciated. Thank you - please respond to [email protected]

diane a. walsh

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Help, I've been trying to unsubscribe to this list to no avail.
[email protected]

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:
>
> I understand you philosophical interest in this particular problem :-), but
> the easiest solution imvho would be to edit the ascii file. I mean,
> extracting those addresses from the mail would take longer than actually
> typing them, wouldn't it? I strongly suspect that a little regexp-magic
> would do the same in fractions of a second, but then again, I'm not a perl
> wizard...
>
> Later,
> Robin

Well, it only took about 10 seconds. Dennis sent me the file in mail, I
did Take, Listmode, A(setAll), Take and I have a list in my addressbook. I
mailed him the lines to append to his addressbook.

But actually I was even more interested in checking to see if there was a
bug that should be fixed before the next pine.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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On 2 Apr 1997, Eduardo Cezar Fascio wrote:

> I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, AND
> I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?

1) When you write to any newsgroup, please try to choose a descriptive
title in the Subject: field of your messages.

2) When you write in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, it is considered that you
are shouting loudly and noisily at people.

3) We cannot help you with your question until you provide more
information. The image file you received could be in any of
several formats which could produce something like you see, so
no one can help you without knowing what the format is. Please
write again and include perhaps the first six lines of the file
so we can see it. Also please include information about what
computer operating system you are using.

Paul <[email protected]>
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I have a very simple question for you.

We're running Pine 3.91 under SunOS. When one of our users opens his
INBOX, he is placed at message #1 instead of the last message or the first
new message in the INBOX. This only happens to one user. All other users
are placed at the end of the INBOX or the first new message.

Can you tell me how get Pine to jump to the first new message when the
INBOX is opened?

Darin Fox USC Law School
[email protected] http://www.usc.edu/dept/law/
Director of Information Technology (213) 740-1631 (voice)
and Computing Services (213) 740-7179 (fax)

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Oops, I forgot about that, too. You have to turn on the feature

enable-aggregate-command-set

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, R R Neuswanger wrote:

> I just realized I forgot to tell him about the
> things he has to have enabled in setup-config to do
> selection; and he may not have known that. (I'd have to
> go find them again; you must know off the top of your
> head.)

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Email viruses are a hoax!
There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!

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It must already be on, it's looks good just the way it is,
I'm in the process of writing you a detailed response, so
I'll return to that...meantime:

IT WORKED !!!

Regards,
Dennis M. Maurer - jumping for joy !!

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Oops, I forgot about that, too. You have to turn on the feature
>
> enable-aggregate-command-set
>
> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, R R Neuswanger wrote:
>
> > I just realized I forgot to tell him about the
> > things he has to have enabled in setup-config to do
> > selection; and he may not have known that. (I'd have to
> > go find them again; you must know off the top of your
> > head.)
>
>

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Unfortunately, what the post was about, was not an email virus. The =
message (if you read it) talks about a File attached to the message, and =
if you run the file, it will infect you with the virus. "Good Times =
Virus" was a hoax, so the person who made the "Better Times" Virus =
thought everybody would think it was a hoax.. and by your attitude, you =
think it is.. =20

-Mike

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Subject: Re: Warning: Better Times email Virus!!!

Email viruses are a hoax!
There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:

> Unfortunately, what the post was about, was not an email virus. The message (if you read it) talks about a File attached to the message, and if you run the file, it will infect you with the virus. "Good Times Virus" was a hoax, so the person who made the "Better Times" Virus thought everybody would think it was a hoax.. and by your attitude, you think it is..
I realized what it was. it was an attempt at humour.
Sorry, my bad.

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Dennis, one other thought: if you start creating very
many long distribution lists, you can fill up your
addressbook. (I think you can anyway.)
I often get warning messages, and sometimes
worse, when I add addresses, even when my space quota on
the pine machine is well below limit.
There is a way to edit the .addressbook, which I
think I can still find, better than just going through
it and hitting d on individual entries.
Another kludge, that I've set up but not tried
yet: when you take an address that you know you won't
want long, write "delete" in the comment field. Then
occasionally go into the addressbook, keep telling it w,
and delete each the slow way.
If one of you others knows something better, I'd
like to have it.

R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP) There are no good spammers.
Library of Congress Dead ones just dry up and
Washington, DC 20540-4120 stink less.
[email protected] I speak for me.Only.

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Hello,

I am regular user of pine. Currently using version 3.91.

While sending mail I got this message and pine crashed.

"bogus entry in cache list. Pine saving in ...pine-crash.
Bug found in pine. Debug level of 2"

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in Advance.

+ Hrishikesh N. Talgery +
+
+ Mail : [email protected] 29,Cunningham Road +
+

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Dennis Maurer wrote:

> Is there a way to take a file of e-maill addresses,
> and create a maillist, or in some other way to send
> e-mail to each person in that file? I'm only talking
> < 120 folks, but I sure don't want to type each one
> in separately.
This is easy, in my favorite editor, takes about 30 seconds.

Take your list of addresses, one to a line:

Tom Jones <[email protected]>
Bill Smith <[email protected]>
...

Append a comma to the end of each line, insert 3 spaces at the start of each
line. Replace the comma at the end of the last line with a ")".
Replace the 3 spaces at the start of the first line with:
"thelist<TAB>thelist<TAB>("

The "<TAB>" means hit the tab key.

The add the file in the pine config as an extra address-book and put 'thelist'
on the 'BCC:' line of the message header.

PS: My favorite editor is vi ... cue an emacs fan ... :-)
--
Rob. (Robert de Bath <[email protected]>)

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Sean Witham wrote:
> >On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Robert de Bath wrote:
>
> [snipped irrelevant stuff about a bunch of Visual Basic]
> >So is it an email virus or a word virus ?
It's a word virus, like the man says, don't lose any sleep over it.

> [snipped more whining about Word]
I prefer wine.

> 1. This is the pine discussion forum, not the Mickysoft loser list.
Trees and furniture only A?

> 2. Even if it were an email virus, it would only affect people whose names
> are in MS-mail address books -- which is fine with me.
_hopefully_ even �soft aren't thick enough to make any software that allows
a true email virus, tho based on activeX I wouldn't make a bet.

> So will you twits stop using my name to discuss this bullcrap?
Isn't it wonderful how some people like to get up your nose, I bet you're
trying it 'cause you love all those messages all about you. Without your
_wonderful_ input this thread would have died already.

> And: Who should send you these documents? Apart from the fact that I'm using
> StarWriter for Linux (visit http://www.stardiv.de for a full office suite
> for Linux for *free*) to open Word documents (what's a virus, anyway?), who
Can it open MS-Works docs too ? If it can I can reuse the JAZ disk that's
full of dross.

> should send me that "infected" documents? If you read a document that isn't
> ...
> Using an operating system instead of Windos seems a good first step to me.
Yes, Yes, we know 'doze == crap, but most suits have an unholy horror of the
'U' word.

> Could this thread be buried now, *prettyplease* ?
I _know_ you don't really want us to do that!

> begin 600 believe.uue
> M22`J<F5A;&QY*B!C86YN;W0@8F5L:65V92!Y;W4G<F4@<F5A9&EN9R!T:&ES BXN"@```
> end
Why not ? Of course it doesn't help that you've broken it.

- --
Rob. (Robert de Bath <[email protected]>)

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Thank you for your prompt reply. I suppose it is like a postcard
only you don't have to wait two weeks to receive it. Am I correct
in assuming that? Thanks!

diane a. walsh

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:

> Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP). Anybody with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..
>
> -Sphinx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diane A. Walsh [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 12:17 PM
> To: Pine Discussion Forum
> Subject: e-mail privacy
>
>
>
> Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail? Can't someone
> else read e-mail addressed to me? A prompt response would be most
> appreciated. Thank you - please respond to [email protected]
>
> diane a. walsh
>
>

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That is correct.

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Diane A. Walsh wrote:

> Thank you for your prompt reply. I suppose it is like a postcard
> only you don't have to wait two weeks to receive it. Am I correct
> in assuming that? Thanks!
>
> diane a. walsh
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:
>
> > Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP). Anybody with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..
> >
> > -Sphinx
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diane A. Walsh [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 12:17 PM
> > To: Pine Discussion Forum
> > Subject: e-mail privacy
> >
> >
> >
> > Could you explain to as to just how private is e-mail? Can't someone
> > else read e-mail addressed to me? A prompt response would be most
> > appreciated. Thank you - please respond to [email protected]
> >
> > diane a. walsh
> >
> >
>
>

Andrew Le PHONE: (206) 254-9925
Casabyte LLC FAX: (206) 254-9926
http://www.casabyte.com E-MAIL: [email protected]
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Hi Robin S Socha...

Thank you for your suggestions.

We already resolved the problem, by reading the FAQ-pine-docs.

Thanks a lot for your care.
Sincerly

Jorge Juarez

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:53:26 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Robin S Socha <[email protected]>
> To: Jorge Juarez Xospa <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Printing problem Win95
>
> On 2 Apr 1997, Jorge Juarez Xospa wrote:
>
> >We are users of pine since version 3.9, we usually print our menssages

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Sphinx wrote:

> Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP).
> Anybody with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..
Who needs a packet sniffer, on many systems the email spool directories
are global read (Though they shouldn't be) and root can always read any
mail.

The normal analogy is the email is about as private as a postcard.
Encryption (eg PGP) can quite reasonably considered like an envelope.

--
Rob. (Robert de Bath <[email protected]>)

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On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Andrew Le wrote:

> That is correct.
Grrrr, that's known as OLR lag! :-)

--
Rob. (Robert de Bath <[email protected]>)

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On 4 Apr 1997, Steve Hubert wrote:

> Well, it only took about 10 seconds. Dennis sent me the file in mail, I
> did Take, Listmode, A(setAll), Take and I have a list in my addressbook. I
> mailed him the lines to append to his addressbook.

I just realized I forgot to tell him about the
things he has to have enabled in setup-config to do
selection; and he may not have known that. (I'd have to
go find them again; you must know off the top of your
head.)

> But actually I was even more interested in checking to see if there was a
> bug that should be fixed before the next pine.

Here's hoping we may (with some vestige of
legitimacy) take that as a sign of hope for 4.0 soon!
Strength to all your arms!

R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
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>On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Diane A. Walsh wrote:
>>On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Michael {Sphinx} Cannon wrote:

>I suppose it is like a postcard only you don't have to wait two weeks to
>receive it. Am I correct in assuming that?
>> Email is not private unless it's encrypted somehow (i.e. PGP). Anybody
> with a packet sniffer can read any mail being sent to you..

Maybe a word about encryption might be appreciated:

"PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a public key encryption package to protect
E-mail and data files. It lets you communicate securely with people
you've never met, with no secure channels needed for prior exchange of
keys."

You can get PGP from the internet for almost any platform. It's easy to
install and can be used to secure the files on your system, too.

There are a couple of filters available to use PGP with pine, most notably
pgp-pine by Roland Rosenfeld <[email protected]>

http://www.rhein.de/~roland/

and papp by Aldo Valente <[email protected]>

http://www.rhein.de/~aldo/

The latter gives you the opportunity to store the passphrase for either the
session or (*not* good) in a file for general use.

So, if you think you need to exchange sensitive data, if you want to make
sure your message isn't garbled with, or if you want to make a political
statement for free speech on the internet, go for PGP.

Nice weekend and stuff,
Robin

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Robin S. Socha,
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On 4 Apr 1997, Deutsch Joseph wrote:

> Is there a way to suppress the email addresses that appear in the header
> of a message that is addressed using a distribution list in pine?

Yes. It wasn't clear to me whether you are doing the sending
to other people or whether somebody is sending to a lot of people
including you. In either case, assuming the sender is using Pine:

1) If the version of the sending Pine involved is recent enough (I
do not remember the cutoff version number), put the distribution
list name in the Lcc: field instead of the To: field;

2) If the version of Pine is not recent enough, put the distribution
list name in the Bcc: field; put _something_ in the To: field,
such as the sender's own email address (do not leave it blank).

Paul <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Jim Love wrote:
> I'm sticking my neck out since I came here to visit and learn. I have
> access to Unix Pine from a web account and it is new to me. I cannot
> find a reference to 'user-domain' in my .pinerc and when I tried to
> define it, it wouldn't take. I thought I read a post in this group that
> stated the newest versions would not allow this. What's the straight
> scoop!

Try editing your .pinerc again adding a line like this:

user-domain=bellsouth.net

And while you're at it, you probably want to set user-id, e.g.:

user-id=jiminmem

Do a search through the file and make sure that each of these are
set only once. Also make sure that this info is not being
overridden by a customized-hdrs setting, e.g.:

customized-hdrs=From: Jim Love <[email protected]>

Also, make sure that you do all your edits to your .pinerc while
pine is NOT running.

Good luck,
Nancy

PS re this part of your sig:

> mailto:[email protected]
> mailto:[email protected]
> mailto:[email protected]

A lot of spammers grep through news postings for email addresses so
giving out all these addresses might mean that you will get spammed
at all of them...

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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Richard Morin wrote:
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970403135406.13224H-100000@joanrich>
> References: <[email protected]>
> <[email protected]>
>
> On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Who am I? wrote:
>
> >
> > This is exactly how Pine 3.93 is for me.
> >
> >***********************************************************************
> > Albert Chi Cal Hoops '96-97: Hope for the Future?
>
> Not *positive* but 3.96 seems to have fixed that little prob....I tried
> for two afternoons with my smail config and my pine configs to make my
> name appear instead of the email address I had send the message to....now
> it magically works fine...prolly just the upgrade to 3.96 that did it
> though. ymmv
>
>
> Richard Morin
> [email protected]
>========================================================================
> Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/
> And a fine little proggy it is too! Heck, I don't even mind this message...
> -Rich M

When I started with Pine on CNC last August, I had Pine v 3.91 - went to
3.93, 3.95, now at 3.96. I *still* have the same problem mentioned by the
original poster. Nothing I've tried seems to help, and just moving to 3.96
surely didn't have an effect either way. Sounds like a good suggestion for
the wish list :-)

Patty B...

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WHERE CAN ONE FIND HELP DEFINING ERROR MESSAGES THAT POP UP WHILE TRYING TO
SEND E-MAIL? (EX. ERROR 257[?] CANNOT SEND...)

THANK YOU,
david

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>Nancy McGough wrote:
>

<most of message snipped>

> Good luck,
> Nancy
>
> PS re this part of your sig:
>
> > mailto:[email protected]
> > mailto:[email protected]
> > mailto:[email protected]
>
> A lot of spammers grep through news postings for email addresses so
> giving out all these addresses might mean that you will get spammed
> at all of them...
>
> -- /
> .-. /
> / \ .-. .-. /
> / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ /
> /Nancy McGough--Infinite Ink/---\---/-\---/---\http://www.ii.com/
> \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ /
> \ / `-' `-' `-'
> `-'

Nancy,

Thank you for your prompt, courteous, informative reply. I appreciate
you taking the time to respond. As per your comments regarding spammers,
I am well aware of their tactics. At this point in time, I prefer to
treat them the same way I treat all of my U.S. mail. If someone wishes
to communicate with me to discuss something, I like to make it as easy
as possible for them to contact me and I will be glad to share
knowledge. If it's junk, I throw it in the garbage like I do the US mail
junk. No big deal. I don't want to sound like it's some kind of macho
thing, (all 130 lbs. of me!) but I refuse to run and hide. I want to
make it easy for my friends to communicate with me, I ignore small
infractions on my privacy, and I think we all are learning the proper
ways (and the not so proper ways) to shut down true spammers.

Thanks again,
Sincerely
--
Jim Love

mailto:[email protected]
mailto:[email protected]
mailto:[email protected]
http://www.lspages.com/jimlove.html

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I believe the standard plain-English answer is
that an email is a postcard -- if not, like your post
and all the others here including this one, a piece of
paper on a bulletin board. Never write anything in such
a place that you have *any* doubt about.
There are horror stories, but they're pretty
much off-topic here, I think. Ask your guru.

R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA-L
Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
AcqBibSuppProj (ABSP) There are no good spammers.
Library of Congress Dead ones just dry up and
Washington, DC 20540-4120 stink less.
[email protected] I speak for me.Only.

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Is there a way to suppress the email addresses that appear in the header
of a message that is addressed using a distribution list in pine?

Any help is appreciated.

--
__________________________________________________________________________
|
| |
Joseph Deutsch | Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
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__________________________|_______________________________________________

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This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to
aid readers in finding information about Pine. Before sending questions
to the mailing list -- which is mirrored in the newsgroup comp.mail.pine --
please consult these resources:

The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive
help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes,
Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are
available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be
accessed:

- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/

- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the
documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form.

- The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can
also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection
(from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to
folder-collections and choose Add Value) as:
*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[]

The messages from this mailing list/newsgroup are archived. These archives
can be accessed:

- In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL:
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(includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information
on how to subscribe to this mailing list)

- Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
subdirectory /pine/pine-info/.

- From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN
MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and
choose Add Value) as:
*{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[]

If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before
and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past
messages, or among the "Questions & Answers" at the URL:

http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/
or
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt

If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact
the technical support staff or computer help desk of your Internet Service
Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization
provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on
using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from
site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large
number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington
cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other
organizations.)

Sun Apr 6 03:00:07 PDT 1997

-----------------------------------
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Jorge Ju�rez Xospa wrote:

> How can I delete a file from mail recived without delete the mail
> (message) ?

Yes, I need to know too! I receive a lot of mail with attached
photographs. The
text of the mail has descriptions of the photographs which I want to
save in a
mail folder. After I have saved the attachment in a file with Pine, I
don't need
the encoded attachment on the message, it just eats up valuable disk
space. Is
it possible to remove attachments from email with Pine like some other
email
programs do?

Thanks,

Bob Snyder [email protected]

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[email protected] wrote:
: Can anyone send me a copy of a mail bomb but don't activate it on me??? I
: don't have the mail bomb software and i would like to have it??? If anyone
: can get it for me i will try to do a favor for them.... Thanks alot all
: cya!!!!!

I suspect the following is not what you had in mind,... oh well.

Donald.

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[email protected] ([email protected]):
> > >Email viruses are a hoax!
> > >There is NO SUCH THING as an email virus!
> > For people using UNIX email programs on a UNIX machine, no,
> > but there do seem to be email viruses for Word that involve using the Word
> > macro language and having your email program launch Word as a viewer.
> There's also some dead simple JavaScript code that can wreak havoc with
> your machine if you read your email in Netscape with JavaScript enabled.
> Nothing really destructive, but it can lock-up Netscape, and crash some
> systems (haven't tried it on a Unix box yet).

Well, people using Word and/or Java deserve it. :-)

Sven

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I am at [email protected] One of my friend has sent me an mail
with attatchments which I am unable to open with the help of Pine. Hence I
am forwarding you the mail so that you can help me in opening the same.
Thanking you very much for the trouble.
Sincerely yours,
Raja Sen

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Hello,

I have been trying to read news with pine. I have set the
nntp-server variable in my .pinerc. For example,

nntp-server=news.nowhere.com

But when I try to open one of the news folders of a group I
have subscribed to I get the error message

"480 Authentication required for command"

I have a user name and password for the host serving me news, but
I can't figure out how to tell pine what they are. I have successfully
done this with another news reader (slrn) by putting this information
in its configuration file.

I hope someone can tell me how I can tell pine what are the user name
and password to use when contacting my mail server.

Thanks,

David

+-----------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
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- From the FAQ:

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In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers area,
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RIF.

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I am having a problem using pine. Each time I try using it I get the
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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Manage Hyderabad wrote:

> I am at [email protected] One of my friend has sent me an mail with
>attatchments which I am unable to open with the help of Pine. Hence I am
>forwarding you the mail so that you can help me in opening the same.
>Thanking you very much for the trouble. Sincerely yours, Raja Sen

Oh, well... Try v(iew), s(ave) and (you seem to be on a u*ix system), type:
more ~/RAJA_SEN

Good luck for your summer project and regards to Saurav :-)

Btw, if your friend decided on naming his files a little more aptly (e.g.
txt), you might have less of a problem.

Later,
Robin

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The easiest way is to not use Save; use Export instead. It'll ask you=20
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> > How can I delete a file from mail recived without delete the ma=
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> Yes, I need to know too! I receive a lot of mail with attached
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> save in a
> mail folder. After I have saved the attachment in a file with Pine, I
> don't need
> the encoded attachment on the message, it just eats up valuable disk
> space. Is
> it possible to remove attachments from email with Pine like some other
> email
> programs do?
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> Thanks,
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>In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers >area, press
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How do I find the help screens and the Lcc: field?

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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

>>In Pine's message composer, with the cursor in the message headers
>>area, press Ctrl-R ("rich headers"). Then read the context-sensitive
>>help screens for the Bcc: and Lcc: fields.
>How do I find the help screens and the Lcc: field?

I don't know what's at the bottom of your screen, but mine says:

^G Get Help ^R Rich Hdr

So, type ^R to get the "rich header" view and then ^G to get to the
context-sensitive help.

But... Maybe you should take a close look at the faq and the other docu on
pine first. They'll help you a lot to find quick solutions to similarly easy
problems, ok? :-)

Later,
Robin

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I hope this is not a FAQ. Many MUAs including Mozilla and ELM
automatically add 'sigdashes' (---) to the ~/.signature file.
Pine doesn't seem to support this. as a consequence, I have to
maintain a separate .signature file just for Pine which has the
sigdashes included. Is there probably a hidden switch in the
pinerc which I just haven't noticed so far?
---
Friedemann Baitinger [email protected]

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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Friedemann Baitinger wrote:

>Many MUAs including Mozilla and ELM automatically add 'sigdashes' (---)
>to the ~/.signature file. Pine doesn't seem to support this. as a
>consequence, I have to maintain a separate .signature file just for Pine
>which has the sigdashes included. Is there probably a hidden switch in
>the .pinerc which I just haven't noticed so far?

Nope:
-<option>=<value> Assign <value> to the pinerc option <option>
e.g. -signature-file=sig1 #command line
or:

signature-file = .sig1 #.pinerc

will do the trick. Just cp your old .signature and add some dashes.

Thanks a bunch for revealing the secret of the mysterious sigdashes, btw :-)
I've always wondered where those came from. *Really* sensible feature, I
must say :-/

Later,
Robin

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Hi!

When asking a question it usually helps to give as much information as
possibly about the platform you are using Pine on (in particular whether
it is PC-Pine or the UNIX version), and which version it is that you are
using.

You didn't mention either of these, but from the message-id your Pine
generated when you sent your message...1

Message-Id: <[email protected]>

..I deduce it's the version 3.92 for Unix (some sort of HP system?).

Support for using news servers requiring authentication was introduced in
Pine 3.93. So the solution to your problem is to upgrade to the current
version of Pine (3.96). This will automatically prompt you to enter the
username and password for your news server when it is needed.

Cheers,

--
Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, David A. Chrisman wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have been trying to read news with pine. I have set the
> nntp-server variable in my .pinerc. For example,
>
> nntp-server=news.nowhere.com
>
> But when I try to open one of the news folders of a group I
> have subscribed to I get the error message
>
> "480 Authentication required for command"
>
> I have a user name and password for the host serving me news, but
> I can't figure out how to tell pine what they are. I have successfully
> done this with another news reader (slrn) by putting this information
> in its configuration file.
>
> I hope someone can tell me how I can tell pine what are the user name
> and password to use when contacting my mail server.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> +-----------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
> | David Chrisman | University of California, Riverside |
> | [email protected] | CERN PPE / OPAL |
> +-----------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
>
>

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On 6 Apr 1997, Peter Breitfeld wrote:

> I use linux as user `brf' but my e-mail address is like the one in my
> signature (bootom of this message). PINE alway sets [email protected]
> as my from-address.
>
> How can I force pine to put `[email protected]' in the
> from-field of the header?

Looks pretty good from my end.

(Sender: has the other address, but From: has the one you say you want
there.)

Matt.
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[email protected] (Yay Coopers Ale!)

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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Bill Falls wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Eduardo Cezar Fascio wrote:
>=20
> > I HAVE RECIEVED A PICTURE THAT CAME ONLY AS LETTERS, PAGES OF LETTERS, =
AND
> > I DON T KNOW HOW TO GET IT AS A PICTURE, WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE?
>=20
> !NO GRITE POR FAVOR!
>=20
> Your picture is probably uuencoded so that it can be included as text in
> the body of the message.=20
>=20
> Try saving it to a file and enter the command "uudecode [filename]". You
> need not delete any header info and test before the "start" instruction -
> uudecode is smart enough to find the part it has to work on.
>=20
> If you are reading mail stored on your computer and not on a Unix server,
> you can find freely distributable uuencode and uudecode programs for
> almost any platform.
>=20
> Si prefiere que repita esto en espan~ol, envieme un E-mail directamente a=
:
>=20
> Bill Falls <[email protected]>
> Washington, DC
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20

Hola Bill:
Muchas gracias por contestarme, pero sigo teniendo el problema, porque
cuando escribo el "uudecode [filename]" me dice que "no match", y no se
con que se supone que tiene que coincidir, si me lo explicas otra vez,
hazlo como si fuese para un ni=F1o de tres a=F1os, muchas gracias por tu
paciencia, y si te sirve de algo para poder explicarmelo mejor, estoy en
el ordenador de la facultad.
Espero respuesta lo mas pronto que puedas, y perdona que te tutee pero
es que es la costumbre.=20
E.C.F.
P.D:Si te aburres mucho, tambien me podrias explicar como se mandan,
gracias.

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Hi,
Is it possible to delete a few messages one at a time, for example, delete
messages from #1 - 20. (instead of pressing "d" in each message to
delete it).

Thank's,
Stephen

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I am very commonly mail bombed by my friends, I often wonder how they send me
mail bombs. I was wondering if you could tell me how one sends a mail bomb.
I would really appreciate it, if not that's okay, i guess.

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Hi, I just got the CERT advisory for a security hole in imapd which, when
exploited, can be used to execute arbitrary root commands. They mention
that all versions of U of W IMAPD prior to 10 something are affected.
They then go on to say that if you're not ready to upgrade to IMAP 4rev1,
you can "download a corrected imapd as part of pine 3.96". Pine 3.96
definantly uses a U of W imapd less than V10 (far less). Has 3.96 just
been fixed (why isn't it 3.97?), or has 3.96 been fine all along?

Does anyone know if any earlier versions of pine imapd were effected?
We've been using 3.96 since it came out, but It would be make me feel good
if I know that no pine imapd has had that bug.

I've gone over the source code a bit, and know bufer overflow
possibilities are obvious before the setuid - but I didn't look very long
(and I'm no expert). I just need to know how to treat this from a
security perspective - either possible root compramise (have to be
pesimistic) or not possible. I don't want to spend the hours doing a
complete security sweep unless I'm sure there was a chance for a problem.

I'd also like to re-enable my imap server ASAP. It would be helpfull if
someone could tell me (preferable in private e-mail for security reasons)
the exact location in imapd where the buffer overrun was possible. I was
in the process of installing IMAPDd 4 (probably one of the bad ones), but
didn't finish.

Thanks a lot,
Rick

=========================================================================
Rick Byers Internet Access Worldwide
[email protected] System Admin, Tech Support
Welland, Ontario, Canada (905)714-1400
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I'm using Pine 3.91. I access it with the telnet program that comes with
Win5. I've noticed that when reading a message, the percentage number in
the top right corner doesn't change when I go to the next page of the
message. Also, the ctrl-^ doesn't work. What gives?

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Yep, use the ';'-Select command, and then the 'A'-Apply command.
Aggregate commands must be enabled (see your feature lists in your
configuration) for this to work...

Rick

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Stephen Walla wrote:

> Hi,
> Is it possible to delete a few messages one at a time, for example, delete
> messages from #1 - 20. (instead of pressing "d" in each message to
> delete it).
>
> Thank's,
> Stephen
>
>

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I would suggest you contact your (friends) provider. I had a number of
kids continuously send each other mailbombs, just as a joke. The problem
was, that it would send them concurrently, causing hundreads of smail
daemons to be executed at once (they would usually send thousands of
message at a time). If they let it go long enough (not too long) the
system would eventually run out of open file descriptors and come to a
grinding halt. I'm only part time - so I just got messages from staff
telling me that canal crashed - and it was to late for me to be able to
tell what caused. After about a week of this, it started to happen once
when I was in, and I tracked it down to a tonne of smail processes
running.

I quickly fixed it up (removing thousands of queued messages), and
cancelled those users account. They insist they didn't know, I say too
bad. They're just lucky we didn't decide to sue them - it was clearly an
abuse of the system. Many of our other users were angry about the
reboots. I know one of this kids Father (who owned the account) was very
upset at the kid, I suspect he'll be grounded for a long time....

Rick - IAW

P.S. You might want to relay this message to your friends before they have
a phone call from a not-as-friendly-as-I system administrator.

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> I am very commonly mail bombed by my friends, I often wonder how they send me
> mail bombs. I was wondering if you could tell me how one sends a mail bomb.
> I would really appreciate it, if not that's okay, i guess.
>

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

> I would suggest you contact your (friends) provider. I had a number of
> kids continuously send each other mailbombs, just as a joke. The problem
<snip>
> I quickly fixed it up (removing thousands of queued messages), and
> cancelled those users account. They insist they didn't know, I say too
> bad.

I'm continually amazed at the things the kids here do and then
claim they didn't know what the consequences of their actions
would be. One kid, once, sent not one but *eight* WALL commands
to the system (the Unix geeks on the list will get that one)
before we disabled wall and suspended his account. Said he 'just
wanted to see what it would do'. Eight iterations of the command
later we were swamped with complaints, and he apparently still
didn't quite get what it would do.
Two students, who work for us at the helpdesk part time, and who
both know better, mailbombed each other on the Computing Sciences
server here and lost their accounts for a month for their
troubles. Severely affected their studies and their ability to
do their assignments, but got the point across that stupidity
like that is a blatant waste of much-needed resources and won't
be put up with.
Put bluntly, what your friends are doing is immature, stupid,
wasteful, and potentially harmful to themselves and others.
Don't follow suit; you'll only make yourself look as juvenile as
they do.

Lea

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Lea wrote:
>On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

>> I would suggest you contact your (friends) provider. I had a number of
>> kids continuously send each other mailbombs, just as a joke. The
>> problem
><snip>
>> I quickly fixed it up (removing thousands of queued messages), and
>> cancelled those users account. They insist they didn't know, I say too
>> bad.
>I'm continually amazed at the things the kids here do and then
>claim they didn't know what the consequences of their actions
>would be.

Let's face it: That kid's from aol. I tried to contact [email protected]
because of some other twits who wanted to send mailbombs... *rotfl*
demanding that their accounts be closed. I even used my official account
with the Govt. for it. Didn't work.

Being a regular reader of this list, I'd like to suggest permanently
filtering @aol, @compuserve and @t-online.de from the mailing list. Any
objections? >:->

TIA

Later,
Robin

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Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Robin S Socha wrote:

> Let's face it: That kid's from aol. I tried to contact [email protected]
> because of some other twits who wanted to send mailbombs... *rotfl*
> demanding that their accounts be closed. I even used my official account
> with the Govt. for it. Didn't work.
>
> Being a regular reader of this list, I'd like to suggest permanently
> filtering @aol, @compuserve and @t-online.de from the mailing list. Any
> objections? >:->

Sounds good... Too bad we can't get filters like that installed on every
major backbone router eh? <grin>

Rick

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> Robin S. Socha,
> Political Science Dept., Bonn University, Bonn
> Key fingerprint = 7F F2 84 73 CF E9 2C 92 F6 6E F9 B4 8F FE AC 1E
> To get my pgp public key, send an e-mail with the subject "get pgp-key"
>
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>
> Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.
> It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.
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Concerning the comments made by an awful lot of you about the mail bomb thingie,
I've been mail-bombed on PINE before and there was nothing I could do about it.
In the space of ten minutes, about 200 mails came through. That wasn't a lot,
but when I collected them off of a different e-mailing program it took me over
by just enough time to clean out my small bank account. But I do have a couple
questions here:

How can I "block" someone's message, as in just not take it?

Is there a way to "refuse" certain parties mail?

Can I set PINE up to ignore certain e-mail addresses entirely?

And a non-mail-bomb question, can I save mail from PINE onto a floppy disk?

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

> Yep, use the ';'-Select command, and then the 'A'-Apply command.
> Aggregate commands must be enabled (see your feature lists in your
> configuration) for this to work...
>
> Rick
>

Thank's for the information.
But still I have to select every message right. If I have 100 messages
that I want to delete, I still have to select them one by one & apply the
delete.
Is there any command to delete it with specifying the number of the
message (for example, I will be able to delete my 100 messages say only
by typing "delete 1-100")?

Thank's again,
Stephen

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I've noticed that when using pine/UNIX to post messages compared
with mail/Mail, the time it takes to send it out and
finally get OK is 10-100 times longer than when using BSD
mail or SysV mail. I've tried to use SMTP on off (off sets
it back to sendmail use), and checked the default sendmail
flags but didn't see anything obvious.

My guess is that pine/sendmail wants to check the domain
names before posting the entries, while mail ignores this
and returns a bounce later. Is something like this the
case, or something else. It's a real pain to use a mailing
list with 10+ addresses and post something, I usually
switch over to non-pine in order to do this.

Thx, Kent
PS: This is the SGI port of Pine 3.95.

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Fred Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:

> The little "--" that precede the actual signature, as shown below. Some

more precisely "-- ", AFAIK.

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>And a non-mail-bomb question, can I save mail from PINE onto a floppy
>disk?

Yes, you can.
Use the 'E' export command to save the selected message to a file.
Then, use any FTP software to transfer it from your account to your floppy
disk.

Stephen Walla

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When you hit Select, it will give you a choice. (A for all, N for number, etc.)
Hit "number", and then it will let you select messages 1-100, or 3-45 and then
56-478, or whatever.

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>Yes, you can.
>Use the 'E' export command to save the selected message to a file.
>Then, use any FTP software to transfer it from your account to your
>floppy disk.

So I'll never see my mail on disk. Our college doesn't work that way. :( Oh,
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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

>How can I "block" someone's message, as in just not take it?
>Is there a way to "refuse" certain parties mail?
>Can I set PINE up to ignore certain e-mail addresses entirely?

Check procmail or filter. Since you got Windows programs at home, you know
what to do there.

>And a non-mail-bomb question, can I save mail from PINE onto a floppy disk?

Provided the floppy is mounted on your VAX, yes. Then e(xport) will do, as
well as cp <filename> /dev/fd0 on the CL.
Otherwise, check if you have the mtools installed an are allowed to use
them.

Later,
Robin

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Stephen Walla wrote:
>On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

[...]
>But still I have to select every message right. If I have 100 messages
>that I want to delete, I still have to select them one by one & apply the
>delete. Is there any command to delete it with specifying the number of
>the message (for example, I will be able to delete my 100 messages say
>only by typing "delete 1-100")?

*argl* Doesn't anybody read the help anymore these days? >;->

-------------------->snip here<---------------------------

FEATURE: enable-aggregate-command-set

Setting this feature enables the commands and subcommands that relate to
performing operations on more than one message at a time. We call these
"aggregate operations". In particular, the "; Select", "A Apply", and "Z
Zoom" commands are enabled by this feature. Select is used to "tag" one or
more messages meeting the specified criteria. Apply can then be used to
apply any message command to all of the selected/tagged messages. Further,
the Zoom command allows you to toggle the Folder Index view between just
those Selected and all messages in the folder.

This feature also enables the "^X" subcommand in the FOLDER INDEX WhereIs
command which causes all messages matching the WhereIs argument to become
selected.
-------------------->snip here<---------------------------

Ok? Check the FAQ or the users guide, too... *mubmlemumble* :-)

Later,
Robin

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

> When you hit Select, it will give you a choice. (A for all, N for number, etc.)
> Hit "number", and then it will let you select messages 1-100, or 3-45 and then
> 56-478, or whatever.
>
oppps sorry, it was my mistake...
it seems that I hit ":" instead of ";" in the beginning.

thank's
Stephen

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This message is from Uzbekistan, Tashkent.
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Phillip Moore wrote:
>
> Is there a way to set the Reply-to address when ever I want without having
> it set all the time. What I would like to be able to do is when I answer a
> user question, I want to reply to to be something that isn't my address.
> Would be great if I could hit the rich headers button and have Reply-to be
> one of them, or if I could just enter my own headers on command.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Phillip Moore * Systems and Network Administration
> 408.326.1944 * 3com Corporation
> 408.764.5002 (fax) * Networks that go the distance.

Just include this in the config (No need for an address to be valid)

customized-hdrs =
Reply-to

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DONALD PEDDER ([email protected]) wrote:
: I am using Pine 3.91. I have posted to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/email
: and not gotten an answer. I want to know how to change my "from" address to
: include "nospam" or similar (when posting publically. i.e. usenet). I looked
: online, and could find many a reference TO it, but not how to DO it.
: I have a NEW ISP from tomorrow, and DON'T want my new address to be
: attacked by spam like THIS address has been recently (following usenet
: postings).
:
: Thanks.
:
:

If you go to the config (go to "setup" from the main menu and then
config) you can reset the user-domain= to whatever you want.

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I believe that the Pine 3.96 distribution's imapd kit has been fixed.
Perhaps this message from Mark Crispin (one of the Pine Team) in reply to
a previous query may be of use to you:

+---
| From [email protected] Tue Apr 8 09:26:34 1997
| Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:22:05 -0800
| From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
| To: [email protected]
| Subject: Re: Pine 3.96
|
| On 4 Mar 1997, Jody Housman wrote:
| > After building 3.96, I checked log_std.c code, and it appears to be the
| > same as what SNI calls the flawed code. Has the security hole been fixed
| > in some other way such as increasing the size of the username buffer?
|
| Yes. Instead of changing the flawed code, there is a booby trap in 3.96
| to catch people who try to exploit it. Attempts to trigger the security
| hole will never get to the flawed code, but will cause a "Crack attempt"
| syslog alert. Also, the advertised banner did not change in 3.96, to make
| it difficult for a bad guy to tell the difference between a vulnerable
| 3.95 server and a non-vulnerable 3.96 server.
|
| Perhaps knowledge this might deter bad guys from trying to exploit this
| bug. Then again, those of us who have a life have a hard time in
| fathoming the thought processes of those who do not.
|
| In the as-yet unreleased Pine 4.0 (and the current released imap-4.1
| toolkit), the banners changed, so there seemed to be no point in having
| the booby trap. The flawed code is gone entirely in this version.
|
| Unless you have a special reason to continue to run IMAP2bis based
| servers, I recommend that you run the servers in the imap-4.1 toolkit:
| ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z
| since this version supports IMAP4rev1 and POP3 with UIDL.
|
| -- Mark --
|
| Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address.
+---

Cheers,

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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Rick Byers wrote:

> Hi, I just got the CERT advisory for a security hole in imapd which, when
> exploited, can be used to execute arbitrary root commands. They mention
> that all versions of U of W IMAPD prior to 10 something are affected.
> They then go on to say that if you're not ready to upgrade to IMAP 4rev1,
> you can "download a corrected imapd as part of pine 3.96". Pine 3.96
> definantly uses a U of W imapd less than V10 (far less). Has 3.96 just
> been fixed (why isn't it 3.97?), or has 3.96 been fine all along?
>
> Does anyone know if any earlier versions of pine imapd were effected?
> We've been using 3.96 since it came out, but It would be make me feel good
> if I know that no pine imapd has had that bug.
>
> I've gone over the source code a bit, and know bufer overflow
> possibilities are obvious before the setuid - but I didn't look very long
> (and I'm no expert). I just need to know how to treat this from a
> security perspective - either possible root compramise (have to be
> pesimistic) or not possible. I don't want to spend the hours doing a
> complete security sweep unless I'm sure there was a chance for a problem.
>
> I'd also like to re-enable my imap server ASAP. It would be helpfull if
> someone could tell me (preferable in private e-mail for security reasons)
> the exact location in imapd where the buffer overrun was possible. I was
> in the process of installing IMAPDd 4 (probably one of the bad ones), but
> didn't finish.
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Rick
>
> =========================================================================
> Rick Byers Internet Access Worldwide
> [email protected] System Admin, Tech Support
> Welland, Ontario, Canada (905)714-1400
> http://www.iaw.on.ca/rickb/ http://www.iaw.on.ca/
>
>

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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Jurabek Azimov wrote:

> This message is from Uzbekistan, Tashkent. Do anybody can help me to
>promote my knowledge on using PC? Please, write me as much as possible.

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Try www.yahoo.com and look for manuals and tutorials. Some of those are also
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Hallo,

when I try to run pine on my system under win95 and linux using the same
local folder collection, I have to put this collection on the
vfat-partition, because win95 cannot read ext2-Partitions.
But when I do so, Pine is not able to write to this folder collection on
"dos_c", although the user has all rights (umask=000 mounting dos_c) and
editing or deleting a file on dos_c is no problem.

Thank you for an idea!
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Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
> DO NOT DO THESE THINGS!!!!! They depend on special techniques
>which only apply to certain recipients with particular combinations
>of hardware and software. They most definitely are not "animated for
>PINE." That is ignorant nonsense. If you try to send one of these
>things to someone whose terminal hardware and software are not set
>up for it, you can cause severe problems and even cause a lot of
>swearing and anger. Even if you have reason to believe that some
>recipient might be able to receive one of these animations, there is
>a risk that it might not come through the email transmission intact.
>Animations like this are ignorant and childish and usually the work
>of beginners who don't understand what they are doing. Forget it.

Geez, don't have an exploding cow, man.

miguel