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From: Rudolf Kompf <[email protected]>
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After a have executed the following steps in Pine 3.92:

- open an Incoming Message Folder other than INBOX and read a mail but
leave others intact at status NEW;
- open INBOX and read mail;
- check the Incoming Message Folders with TAB;

then Pine is saying "No more incoming folders". I think Pine should go to
the Incoming Message Folder with the new mail messages.
Is this a bug?

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: PC-Pine for MAC
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On 31 Jul 1996 [email protected] wrote:

> is there a PC-Pine program for Macintosh operating system?

No.

> is there a similar mail program for Macintosh operating system?

Yes.

Mail Drop is free; Mulberry is commercial (about 30 pounds).

> please let me know of the ftp site where the program is available.

Mail Drop can be obtained from
ftp://ackmo.baylor.edu/pub/bell/Mail_Drop/

For information about Mulberry e-mail its author at:
Cyrus Daboo <[email protected]>

See also The IMAP Connection for more information about IMAP clients:
http://www.imap.org/

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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Is there a way to save the newsgroups list to a local file? I'd like to
browse it offline in a text processor.

- Hans

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Thomas Ulich ([email protected]) wrote:
: Replace machine.name with the correct one. Example: My mails come from
: "[email protected]", so the first machine receiving my e-mail is
: "aurora.sgo.fi" and there's a line in the header saying:
:
: Received at (time, date) from (somewhere) by aurora.sgo.fi ...
:
: Then you type:
:
: traceroute aurora.sgo.fi
:

OOOOPS! I recently changed my account, and got messed up. It should not
be "aurora.sgo.fi", but instead "satellite.oulu.fi". Sorry for the
mistake, I hope you did not start to find the aurora in this header
desperately... :-)

--
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On 1996-07-29 toby said:
>Any idea where I can get a DOS based email programme? I use Eudora
>on one computer with Windows, but I have a secretary using a 286
>(yes, really) without Windows and I want her to be able to access
>email
>Thanks for your help
>Toby A.O. Holmes

[The following message I originally posted on my local ISP/BBS. You might]
[find it useful. The mail programs support POP3 also. ]

Howdy all,
It's been a couple of months and I never thought about posting an
update. I've been doing a lot of slip/ppp stuff on this here XT.
No need for Windows here. Once I get a VGA adapter then things get
better as I have no graphic web capabilities yet.

Packet Drivers:
Quakeppp works fine.
Uses Klos Technologies PPP drivers/software. Dialer/terminal
program can connect via scripts or manually.
Etherppp works fine too but it's a memory hog. Causes some programs
to error out like PC-Pine and Minuet.
Slipper/Cslipper work flawlessly. Need dialer program or terminal
software to connect first.

Clients:
Minuet. Integrated tools. Telnet, mail, gopher, ping, finger, news,
web, ftp. Web does not support forms. Can't use News as it doesn't
work on Stacker drive. Minuet is my main program for mail,
gopher and ftp.
Requires dial-up program. Companion UMSlip/phone package works
fine. I use phone to load cslipper.
Net-Tamer. Integrated tools. Telnet, mail, ping, web, news, ftp.
Built-in PPP using scripts or dumb terminal mode.
I'm using XT/286 version which does not support graphics/sound.
Web leaves a lot to be desired. Reader module allows for offline
newsgroup reading. My main program for usenet. You can download
only subject headers so you can then pick which full messages to
download for reading. Pretty cool.
Three versions available: 386 (graphics, sound, fonts),
XT/286, and Palmtop (no graphics/sound on last two).
Latest versions at http://people.delphi.com/davidcolston/
NCSA Telnet w/FTP. Very good package. Also includes whois, finger,
rsh/rexec, etc.
CUTCP Telnet w/FTP. Based on NCSA work. Includes printing utilities
like lpr/lpq/etc. TN3270 also.
Trumpet. Cool nntp news reader. Not offline but windowing/menuing.
DOSLynx. World Wide Web browser. Not a port of Unix Lynx. Too bad.
Uses Borland Turbovision interface (like Minuet/Trumpet). Slow,
buggy, crash prone. In alpha and doesn't seem to be supported.
POPMail. Pre-Minuet. No longer supported. Incorporated into Minuet.
Includes Webster module (not in Minuet). Includes telnet, finger,
ping.
PC-Gopher III. Pre-Minuet. No longer supported. Incorporated into
Minuet. The version I use(d) is pretty fast with windows opening
all over the place with no memory problems. Later version
(1.1.x?) had major memory problems.
NuPOP. POP mail. Based on Minnesota code (POPMail/PC-Gopher/Minuet).
Telnet, ping, finger, and quite a few more. Will call external
programs like Trumpet, html viewers, graphics viewers, etc.

Those are some of the cool programs that work (except DOSLynx).
Minuet, NuPOP, POPMail, PC-Gopher III, Trumpet, and DOSLynx use the
Borland Turbovision interface so they're full windowing/mouseable
programs.

Tried PC-Pine but couldn't get it to work. Probably since Annex
doesn't use the unix box/pine to receive mail anymore.
Experimenting with Yarn (usenet SOUP) offline reader but haven't got
it to work yet. Need the correct programs to import the packets.

The big wish list is for someone to actually port Lynx to dos, usable
on 8088/8086/80286.
Anyhind, I'm having fun.

Marc

[ New note: the U of Minnesota programs (Minuet, POPMail, etc.) can use ]
[ the MYIP variable if you have dynamic IP addressing. If you use a ]
[ terminal program to log on first and then log off, and assuming you ]
[ wrote down your IP address, you can type "set MYIP=123.456.789.000" ]
[ and the programs will work without you going into the setup menus ]
[ each time. UMSlip's phone package will also automatically create the ]
[ necessary batch file automatically. There are other utilities for getting ]
[ around dynamic IP problems. Even a bootp emulator. ]
]
[ These programs were tested on my lowly Tandy 1000 HX and the following ]
[ ftp site owner's 286 Tandy. ]
[ ftp://ftp.agate.net/users/01935/(internet & incoming directories) ]

>> ANIME SENSHI <<

Marc D. Williams
[email protected] > Annex! Online (if email replying, use this)
[email protected] > Interludes
[email protected] > Phantasy
[email protected] > Westwood Storyboard
[email protected] > Idaho Interactive BBS
[email protected] > Dragon Keep

926 Judith Street
Baldwin Park, CA 91706-5836
(818) 338-2708

. Ten years and my Tandy 1000 HX is still going strong!
-!-
� Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] �

`[1;37;42mNet-Tamer V 1.05.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:45:53 +0100
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On 31 Jul 1996, Tim Mooney wrote:

:>
:>Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work,
:>but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to
:>move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors
:>while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on
:>various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save
:>your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go
:>to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way.
:>Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico."
:>

Surely the control-W command to scan for text gives them what they want?

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From: [email protected] (Jie Yuan)
Subject: Re: PC-Pine for MAC
Date: 1 Aug 1996 12:32:35 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] writes:
>
>is there a PC-Pine program for Macintosh operating system?
>
>is there a similar mail program for Macintosh operating system?
>
>please let me know of the ftp site where the program is available.

Although there is no Mac-Pine, there are some freeware POP3/IMAP
clients on the Internet. Eudora-Lite is very popular. POPMail
from U. of MN is also very good (my favorite). You can find them
in the info-mac archive, or the U. MI archive.

Cheers!

Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575 = 513-558-2352 ==
== [email protected] = www.uc.edu/~yuanj = using Knews ==
== finger -l [email protected] for my PGP pub. key=

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From: "Hiram Lester Jr." <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Barry Landy wrote:

> Surely the control-W command to scan for text gives them what they want?

Provided you know what you are looking for. An extra option on the
Control-W command to enter a line number would be a nice addition though.

+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: [email protected] |
| Computer Science | Homepage: |
| Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ |
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+

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From: "Hiram Lester Jr." <[email protected]>
To: Pine-Info Mailing-List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Check of Incoming Message Folders
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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote:

> After a have executed the following steps in Pine 3.92:
>
> - open an Incoming Message Folder other than INBOX and read a mail but
> leave others intact at status NEW;
> - open INBOX and read mail;
> - check the Incoming Message Folders with TAB;
>
> then Pine is saying "No more incoming folders". I think Pine should go to
> the Incoming Message Folder with the new mail messages.
> Is this a bug?

I've noticed this behaviour in 3.93, 3.94, and 3.95 as well. If you check
a folder with new messages, it seems to be taken out of the new mail queue
until additional new messages appear in it. Pine is probably using the
last accessed time on the file and not the newmail flags to make that
determination.

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| Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: [email protected] |
| Computer Science | Homepage: |
| Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ |
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+

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From: Al Byers <[email protected]>
Subject: Command line pine
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 09:31:02 -0400
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Sorry if I missed the answer to this from an earlier posting, but I
followed it till it left my server. I need to attach a large file to a
mail message so that it can be detached via ccMail. Pine works fine, but
metasend does not (puts it in the body of the message). The trouble is
that I want to automate the process and I don't know how to do it in
pine. I thought that I could kludge it using the -i or -I (which one?)
option, but I don't know how to encode new lines, so it puts everything
into the "To:" field.

Can anyone help with this? How do I embedded CR (CR doesn't work) in the
keystroke list?
--
Al Byers Automation Group of Virginia, Inc.
[email protected] P.O. Box 1091
540.949.8777 Waynesboro, VA 22980

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On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, jim eagle wrote:

> OK ... when I attempt to give a short reply to a newsgroup message using
> Pine3.95, I am sometimes not allowed to post because I am re-using more
> lines from the previous email than I am adding of my own.

I suspect that this is not a feature of pine, but of the newserver you
are posting through. So you should raise the question to your local
news admin.

The "rule" is also generally considered a good one. We don't want
lots of messages which quote entire articles and then say "I agree" or
something like that.

> This is
> moderately annoying, and encourages me to pad my reply with blank lines.

I should encourage you to rethink whether your posting is necessary or
in the best form. If you decide it is, you can always pad as you do.

-j
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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Hiram Lester Jr. wrote:

> If you are building your own copy of Pine, you can compile it with the
> option of changing the From: line in the customized headers section of the
> setup. The switch allowing that is in one of the os_xx.h files. This is
> what I do. I have a customized header defined as
>
> From: "Hiram Lester Jr." <[email protected]>
>
> The original sender will still appear in the X-Sender or X-X-Sender line.

Thanks! I copied the 3.95 pre-compiled binaries over what came with
Slackware 3.0 (v3.91 I think), but I got the source and as you can see it
works fine.

The problem was that according to my ISP's startup instructions, they say
to just use interl.net as the domain name. Problem is that the head of my
ISP is [email protected], so he wasn't too happy to get several replies
intended for me.

Hopefully now, even with X-Sender/X-X-Sender being there, there will be a
1 in 1,000,000 chance of it happening again. I changed my domainname to
fakename.inter.net too, just out of paranoia :)

Oh, and BTW, do you think that the quotes around your 'real name' actually
matter? I've seen MANY posts with quotes, and just as many without.

Thanks,

Jason

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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E-mail: [email protected]
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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I'm running Pine 3.95 under Linux and I was wondering if anyone had ideas
for including a random fortune into messages that I compose. I'd like
something similar to adding 'taglines' (a FidoNet thing...).

Maybe a script to add a fortune to the .signature file or something with
Pine's filtering?

Jason

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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In the PINE 3.95 (UX) configuration screen there is an option to allow uploads
via protocol (such as Zmodem) directly into the editor.

I've configured the upload to call "rz" which seems to be running, (the
command "rz: ready to receive usr/pub/"tempfilename" appears) but the
upload never commences when I go to send via zmodem.

Is there anything that needs to be added to the "rz" command to get it to
commence?

Thank you,

-=BB Brian Bell [email protected]
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On 1 Aug 1996, Jason Englander wrote:

> I'm running Pine 3.95 under Linux and I was wondering if anyone had ideas
> for including a random fortune into messages that I compose.

I'm using an external Editor: vim -c "$ | r! fortune -s" doesn't work,
because I can't use Quotes. So I use "vim -s fort" and wrote the
vim-script fort:
:$^Mo--^[:r! fortune -s^M

> Maybe a script to add a fortune to the .signature file or something with
> Pine's filtering?

I think, the sending filter is too late, because I want to see what I'm
sending.

Greetings, Maletin.

--
Strategy:
A long-range plan whose merit cannot be evaluated until sometime
after those creating it have left the organization.

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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, A.T. Phillips wrote:

> I tried the "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file" but that seemed
> to make no difference. I still get the error. So ....
> what does "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file" do? And is there
> another answer to my original posting?

Well, I suppose I should have read the help instead of
guessing. You could go to the config and put your cursor on the
quell...and hit "?" to get a full description...but an excerpt
shows:

FEATURE: quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file

This feature controls an aspect of Pine's Composer, and if needed, will
usually be set by your system manager in Pine's system-wide configuration
file. Specifically, if this feature is set, Pine will not attempt to look
in the system password file to find a Full Name for the entered address.

Which is not what you wanted....

I'm not sure why you'd want to send an email only to have it
rejected. So, having it rejected before actually sending it seems
like a nice feature....

But, why now try setting the SMTP host to the value of that
of the local system. That may get you the funtion you desire.

Ed

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I have two questions: one, how does one delete extra folders in the folder
directory? Two: how does one import text into PINE e-mail message so
that it is viewable by recipient? Thanks.

--
STEVE BAETZNER

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From: [email protected] (Rob Funk)
Subject: Re: Pine and Netscape
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In article <[email protected]>,
Jeffrey Veiss <[email protected]> wrote:
>Keep in mind, however, that by default, POP3 will copy all your mail to your
>local machine and remove it from the server.

Not POP3 itself, only Pine's handling of it.
POP3 requires that each message be retrieved individually, and
to remove a message from a POP3 server, a client needs to explicitly
issue the DELE command.

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Problem w/ PINE addressbook
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:21:04 -0700
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The .addressbook.lu file is used to speed up access to large
addressbooks. The format has changed a few times, so Pine needs to
rebuild it when you change Pine versions. Also, if Pine is unable to
write the .addressbook.lu file in the same directory as the
addressbook file, it will write a temporary copy that is only kept
for the current session. Check to see if there is some reason that
Pine cannot write your .addressbook.lu file...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On 23 Jul 1996, partner wrote:

> From: partner <[email protected]>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Problem w/ PINE addressbook
> Date: 23 Jul 1996 11:10:58 -0700
> Organization: PSGnet mail to news gate
> Sender: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.psg.com
> X-M2n: psg.com
>
> Don't know when it happened, but now when I go into addressbook the FIRST
> time during a PINE session, a message flashes across the status line(?)
> (down near the bottom), which says (approx) addressbook.lu is
> invalid, rebuilding. It does that. Nothing else happens, and my
> addressbook seems to work OK. What does that mean? How can I fix it?
>
> I've asked "vnet.net" provider, but they have not been able to help.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Lou Weber
> Computer Assist
> 918 Nottingham Drive
> Charlotte, NC 28211
> Voice/Fax 704/364-8090
> <[email protected]>
>
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Evelyn Albrecht)
Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico
Date: 1 Aug 1996 11:32:24 -0700
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[email protected] (Tim Mooney) writes:

>Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work,
>but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to
>move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors
>while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on
>various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save
>your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go
>to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way.
>Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico."

But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when
you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique.

Evelyn
--
|Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 |
|Academic Computing Services Internet: [email protected] |
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Subject: cmsg cancel <[email protected]>
Control: cancel <[email protected]>

MMF spam cancelled by [email protected]
Original Subject: An Opportunity to make Money!!!

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HI. What's the technique for dlownloading a file to my b: drive? Thanks.

--
STEVE BAETZNER

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I just switched IP's and this Pine 3.91 won't do 'Spell check' -
ctl-T. I get a 'user/bin/spell: file not found'. I went to the 'user/bin'
directory and I do not see spell or even Ispell. But if I type spell + file
it kicks back bad words. My question would be how can I check all the dirs
for spell or ispell to see where it is located ?

--
EdDataFix
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I have PCPine version 3.91 and when I try to send mail there is a message
saying that something has failed. I'm not sure what has failed, but I
think something is wring in my configuration. The mail is sent, but not
copied into my sentmail folder.

I also cannot get into my inbox through pine mail. When I try to enter
that folder it tells me that my sentmail folder is being reopened.

I think the root of my problem is that someone tampered with my
configuration....Is there any way to reset my configuration to its
default settings??

Kelly
[email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Ben Taylor)
Subject: Re: 3.95 FREEZES Solaris 2.4 x86 box?
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Roby Sherman ([email protected]) wrote:
: I never thought I would see the day that PINE would take down my solaris
: server but 3.95 has done it twice. I don't know what causes it just yet,
: but the process just starts eating up CPU time until the system
: grinds to a halt. Has anyone else experienced this or heard about this problem
: and hopefully a workaround?

I have been having this problem with the most recent version since 3.93.
I have a call into Sun on this issue, and they are working through the
core dumps I generate using kadb. How I found this was to access an
IMAP mailbox without using rsh ( {host:143}/var/mail/bent ) and the
system completely hangs. Mouse is dead, doesn't respond to pings,
Control-C does not break. It's completely dead. I don't have this
problem using the Sparc version, so I'm wondering what's up with this.

Unfortunately, the core files show very little information, and we're
trying to figure out other ways to make sure enough info is in the
core dump. This is a big pain.

:
: --Roby
: --
: --roby@nexus.interealm.com--------------------------------------Aurora, CO--
: | "The journey of 1000 miles begins with a cash advance..." |
: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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On 31 Jul 1996, Rudolf Kompf wrote:

> My local Pine accesses remote inbox on our central mailhost via imap; it
> works fine. Is there a possibility to read incoming mail from my local Netscape
> viewer?

Only when netscape's browser supports IMAP. Netscape have announced plans
to support IMAP.

-jeff
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On 1 Aug 1996, Steve Baetzner wrote:

> I have two questions: one, how does one delete extra folders in the folder
> directory?

Go into the L)ist folders screen, and highlight the folder you wish to
delete, and press D)elete.

> Two: how does one import text into PINE e-mail message so
> that it is viewable by recipient? Thanks.

In the composer, use the Control-R (Read File) command and enter the
filename or use the file browser with Control-T.

+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: [email protected] |
| Computer Science | Homepage: |
| Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ |
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+

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On 1 Aug 1996, Ed Paolo wrote:

> I just switched IP's and this Pine 3.91 won't do 'Spell check' -
> ctl-T. I get a 'user/bin/spell: file not found'. I went to the 'user/bin'
> directory and I do not see spell or even Ispell. But if I type spell + file
> it kicks back bad words. My question would be how can I check all the dirs
> for spell or ispell to see where it is located ?

Well, there are several ways to do this. If you happen to be using tcsh
as your shell, you can type spell and press ESC followed by the ? key to
get tcsh to show you what the path to the command is. This only works if
the command is in your path (which it obviously is).

Another way is to type 'where spell'. I'm not sure under what conditions
this works, but it will probably show the executable and the man page
both.

If worse comes to worse, you can use the find command as such:

find / -name spell -print

The disadvantage is that it will search the entire file system and will
return errors for directories you don't have access to.

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| Computer Science | Homepage: |
| Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ |
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------+

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Vardy) writes:

> Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does?

Bounce redirects a message to a specified address. All the headers are kept,
and "Resent-From:" and "Resent-Date:" are added.

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->[email protected] (Tim Mooney) writes:
->
->>Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work,
->>but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to
->>move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors
->>while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on
->>various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save
->>your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go
->>to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way.
->>Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico."
->
-> But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when
-> you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique.

yes, but not when compiler flames at you that there is err in your source
code at line 243.. yeah u can get to desired line using ^V ^C but go to
nevertheess would be better.

-Adam

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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Michael Marmor wrote:

> Hi,
> I am using pine 3.91 and would like to specify a local spelling file.

[snip]
> Is there a way to tell pine to check a local spell file?
>

While I don't remember why, I got it to work by setting the
environment variable SPELL='spell +mywords', where mywords is a file
with my own special words. I have the alternate speller field in pine
config unset. I am using pine 3.94.

=========================+============================
Bill Jenuwine | Internet: [email protected]
Ford Motor Company |
=========================+============================

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
To: Evelyn Albrecht <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico
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But not if you are using Pico to edit your C program, which the C compiler
has just spat back at you saying there was a syntax error on line 306.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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On 1 Aug 1996, Evelyn Albrecht wrote:

> [email protected] (Tim Mooney) writes:
>
> >Thanks for the info. I had tried the +n command line option and it did work,
> >but I have users that know only pico as a Unix editor and need to be able to
> >move around in source files and make modifications (perhaps fixing errors
> >while trying to get something to compile). If there are 10 errors on
> >various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save
> >your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go
> >to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way.
> >Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico."
>
> But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when
> you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique.
>
>
> Evelyn
> --
> |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 |
> |Academic Computing Services Internet: [email protected] |
> |Western Washington Univ. |
> |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 |
>

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
To: Adam Vardy <[email protected]>,
"Mark M." <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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There is are some more important distinctions between Forward and
Bounce...

1. Alf sends a message to Bert.
Bert thinks "I can't answer this, but Charles can".
Bert bounces the message to Charles.
Charles receives the messsage, which is marked as being from Alf
(although the additional "Resent-From:" header lets him know that
it cam by way of Bert).
Charles hits "R" to reply, and the reply is directed straight back to
Alf.

If Bert had used Forward instead of Bounce then Charles' reply would have
been directed to Bert instead of Alf.

Bounce is useful for "passing the buck"-type messages (where you are
relaying the received message on to someone else to deal with and respond
direct to the original enquirer). For example, staff on a Help Desk can
find this useful when redirecting received queries on to the people
destined to answer the problem.

Forward is useful when you want to pass a message on "for information" or
prefaced with your own comments.

2. Bounce sends the message on "as is": no ">" quote characters are
introduced, and you are not given a chance to modify the text. Forward
quotes the included text and also lets you your own comments.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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On 1 Aug 1996, Mark M. wrote:

> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Vardy) writes:
>
> > Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does?
>
> Bounce redirects a message to a specified address. All the headers are kept,
> and "Resent-From:" and "Resent-Date:" are added.
>

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], Jie Yuan <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: PC-Pine for MAC
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[I admit I haven't looked at these programs recently and this response is
from memory of (possibly now obsolete) versions, but...]

Eudora and Eudora Lite are indeed very well spoken of. However they use
the POP protocol and, certainly when I last looked at Eudora, not the IMAP
protocol. I seem to recall Steve Dorner once being quoted as saying that
it never would. This is fine if you have access to a POP server as well
as an IMAP server, but not all sites offer both.

POPmail III, when I looked at it a year or so back, supported POP2, POP3
and IMAP. However it used IMAP in what I tend to call "the brain-damaged
way", using it to _trasnfer_ your messages off the IMAP server and down to
your local hard disk. This then can make life difficult if the machine is
shared. Also if you are away from your machine and want to refer back to
a message now no longer on the mail server.

Your best bet is to look for an IMAP client that manipulates the mail
in-place on the mail server (using IMAP as it was designed for) like Pine
and PC-Pine do. Both of my suggestions (Mail Drop and Mulberry) do this.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/

On 1 Aug 1996, Jie Yuan wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] writes:
> >
> >is there a PC-Pine program for Macintosh operating system?
> >
> >is there a similar mail program for Macintosh operating system?
> >
> >please let me know of the ftp site where the program is available.
>
> Although there is no Mac-Pine, there are some freeware POP3/IMAP
> clients on the Internet. Eudora-Lite is very popular. POPMail
> from U. of MN is also very good (my favorite). You can find them
> in the info-mac archive, or the U. MI archive.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Jie

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On 1 Aug 1996, Mark M. wrote:

> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Vardy) writes:
>
> > Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does?
>
> Bounce redirects a message to a specified address. All the headers are kept,
> and "Resent-From:" and "Resent-Date:" are added.
>

And what is the difference from forward?
The Resent-From and Resent-Date do not exist in a forwarded message?

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How does one set up the environment variables (TERM, TERMCAP) for
running Pine? I can view the demo that you have set up for
test driving Pine, but when I try to view use my local version,
I cannot see the menu at the bottom, page scrolling does not work,
etc. I have the same problem with using Pico.

My system is a SPARC running Sun4 (need Solaris support too). I
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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 [email protected] wrote:

> And what is the difference from forward?
> The Resent-From and Resent-Date do not exist in a forwarded message?

Correct. None of the original message headers are used in the forwarded
message.

- -- Mark

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:37:16 +0100 (WET)
From: Richard Gering <[email protected]>
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To: "Hiram Lester Jr." <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Hiram Lester Jr. wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Barry Landy wrote:
>
> > Surely the control-W command to scan for text gives them what they want?
>
> Provided you know what you are looking for. An extra option on the
> Control-W command to enter a line number would be a nice addition though.

Yes, this would be a nice addition indeed.

The great thing about Pine is that it comes with the sources, so I've
tried to implement the "goto line" feature as an option to the search
command. This is how it turned out:

Once you have pressed Ctrl-W, you can enter the number of the line you
want to go to at the "Search:" prompt. Then, instead of pressing Return
you can press Ctrl-N (as in Number) and Pico will use the text at the
prompt as the number of the line to go to. When text or a line number
smaller than 1 is entered, the goto action will be (silently) canceled.

The interface might be a little funny, but it kept the amount of code
changes to a minimum and it saved the user from having to press an extra
key. I've found that you can quickly get used to it.

The number entered does not affect the text used in a previous search
action. This text continues to be stored for future searches.

The result is attached to this message for you to take a look at. Both a
patch file and the entire changed pico/search.c (Unix compressed) were
included to make it easy (it was small enough).

Two final notes:

- Please be aware that the source files are from Pico 2.9
(the one that is also shipped with Pine 3.95).

- This patch only affects Pico and the composer part of Pine.
It has NO effect on the search facilities in the mail viewer or
in the on-line help (other code, but could be changed as well :-) )

I hope that you find this addition useful. Feedback is welcomed.

Kind regards,

- Richard Gering.

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| Richard Gering ([email protected]) | Let me make one thing perfectly clear: |
| CI International B.V. Netherlands | I never explain anything! (Mary Poppins)|
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Subject: Re: DG/UX HELP!!!!!
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pine3.95 gets a wee bit closer to being compilable out-of-the-box on DG/UX
systems, at least on dg/ux m88k running 4.11.

The last patches appeared in the c-client distribution, but they added a
comment which blocked out the utime.h include!

To apply this patch, unzip and untar the pine distribution from
ftp.cac.washington.edu, then cd into pine3.95, and finally pipe this file
into patch (make sure to use the -p option.)

For example:

zcat pine3.95.tar.gz | tar xvof -
cd pine3.95
cat thispatchfile | patch -p
./build d-g

*OR* if you lack the patch program, you can grab the edited files and
park them manually in place from ftp://hopi.dtcc.edu/pub/dgux/pine/
and place them in

imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c
pine/makefile.d-g
pine/osdep/os-sv4.h

*OR* you can grab a compiled (for m88k) version of patch from
ftp://hopi.dtcc.edu/pub/dgux/pine/patch
and apply the patches below if you lack patch

When you are all done, simply "./build d-g" to hopefully get a successful
pine compile.

Note that this is tested with DG/UX 4.11 under 88k platform. The utime()
controversy still exists "unconditionally" for 88k boxes and can be set to
work the same weird way with intel boxes iff you #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR,
which I did in this patch. The symptom of this not working right will be
weird messages when quitting pine that the folder time was changed but no
changes were found (paraphrased greatly) and folder times of Dec 31, 1969

*** pine/makefile.d-g.orig Fri Mar 15 02:14:55 1996
--- pine/makefile.d-g Tue Jul 23 07:58:09 1996
***************
*** 59,63 ****
LIBES= $(EXTRALIBES) $(LOCLIBES) $(STDLIBES)

! STDCFLAGS= -Dconst= -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -DMOUSE
CFLAGS= $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) $(EXTRACFLAGS) $(STDCFLAGS)

--- 59,63 ----
LIBES= $(EXTRALIBES) $(LOCLIBES) $(STDLIBES)

! STDCFLAGS= -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -DMOUSE
CFLAGS= $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) $(EXTRACFLAGS) $(STDCFLAGS)

*** imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c.dist Mon Jul 22 12:10:38 1996
--- imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c Mon Jul 22 12:38:04 1996
***************
*** 36,41 ****
#include "tcp_unix.h" /* must be before osdep includes tcp.h */
#include "mail.h"
! #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR /* break it for compatibility with
! #include <utime.h> the incompatible past */
#include "osdep.h"
#include <stdio.h>
--- 36,41 ----
#include "tcp_unix.h" /* must be before osdep includes tcp.h */
#include "mail.h"
! #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR /* break it for compatibility with */
! #include <utime.h> /* the incompatible past */
#include "osdep.h"
#include <stdio.h>
*** pine/osdep/os-sv4.h.orig Tue Jul 23 07:37:44 1996
--- pine/osdep/os-sv4.h Tue Jul 23 07:40:32 1996
***************
*** 232,236 ****
--- 232,241 ----

+ /*-------- For DG/UX systems, define setpgrp to be setpgrp2 -------------*/
+ #ifdef DGUX
+ #define setpgrp setpgrp2
+ #endif

+
/*----------------- locale.h -------------------------------------------*/
/* #include <locale.h> /* To make matching and sorting work right */
--
Ken Weaverling, Delaware Tech (WHOIS: KJW) * [email protected]
finger [email protected]@publickey.com for PGP key. * http://www.dtcc.edu/~weave/
******************************************************************************
Visit Delaware on the web - beats in person! http://www.dtcc.edu/delaware/

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On 31 Jul 1996, Adam Vardy wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does?

Yes; Pine can. Hit B to start the bounce process, then hit ^G to Get
Help.

Shawn McMahon | Smokesignals Computer Company
Senior System Operator | Southern Oklahoma's Internet Service Provider
Chickasaw Nation Net | 405 332-0033 http://www.chickasaw.com

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Hi,
Can you please let me know how to configure my mailcap files if I have
one and how to access mime-type files? And how to change my name for the
local sys without sending a mail to the local sys. admin to change my
name? My name can't be changed even though I've changed the config setup.
Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Help required in imapd+Solaris 2.4x86
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[email protected] (Ben Taylor) writes:

>Harish Srinivasan ([email protected]) wrote:
>:
>: Our system environment is
>: Solaris 2.4 ( x86 )
>:
>: We were using Pine on Unix. I have downloaded PC-PINE 3.95 and with a
>: older version of IMAPD, the foll is the prob:
>: The remote folder by name "SENT" is seen as "NT" clipping out first 2
>: letters. Saw the same problem mentioned in Pine-Info forum but could not
>: know the exact solution.

>Get /usr/ucb out of your path. You may have to hack the makefiles,
>but the basic thing is that the libraries in /usr/ucblib are broken.
>If you're linking against them, you're going to have his trouble.
>Recompile when you have this corrected.

It may not just be an issue of having /usr/ucb in the path. LD_LIBRARY_PATH
may also be set to include /usr/ucblib early in the link. Ideally a Solaris
2.x machine ought to be able to run all of its programs without having this
environment variable set at all.

>: Downloaded the Pine3.95 source and tried to compile it .
>: When I use gcc compiler, I get errors like "undefined symbol" errors .
>: Symbols mentioned are flock, random , Strtr etc etc .

Did you read the docs?

>:
>: Pls suggest what OSTYPE to be used for this system.
>: Have tried gsol, gsun etc

>gso for gcc, or sol if you have the SparcWorks tools

>: Regds
>: Harish

>Ben
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Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]> writes:

>On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Clint Danbury wrote:

>> How do I get the "folders" screen to show me just a few newsgroups ? At
>> present my option(s) is(are) to place the cursor on some message which
>> says "press here to see the list" or something similar; which I do, and
>> gen appears a list of 845,917 usenet newsgroups. [...]

> You did not say what system -- Un*x, DOS, Windoozy, whatever -- you
>are using Pine under, so I will use the example of Un*x. Pine uses
>your .newsrc file. Mine is quite small -- it has only the newsgroups
>to which I am subscribed. You might try this. First, change to your
>home directory. THEN, MAKE A BACKUP COPY OF YOUR .NEWSRC FILE IN CASE
>SOMETHING GOES WRONG. Next, with a good text editor, simply delete the
>entries for all the newsgroups (i.e., nearly all of them) that you
>don't want.

> You could search for the names of all the groups that you do want
>and move them all to the top of the file and delete everything else
>below them. Be sure to move the entire line in which the name occurs.
>Be aware that Pine will display the newsgroups in the folder collection
>in the order in which they appear in the .newsrc file. After you edit
>out the zillion groups you don't want, Pine should show you only the
>few groups you do want.

> Editing the .newsrc file by hand should be done with very great
>care. That's why you should make a backup copy first so you can back
>out if things get messed up.

Many text editors have limits to the number of bytes, lines, or the length
of lines they will handle. If you load a very large newsrc file into one of
these, you will lose entries. Pico is one such editor, as is true for
MicroEMACS, jove, vi. Editors that I know that have extremely large limits
are GNU Emacs and joe.

>Paul <[email protected]>
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From: [email protected] (Damian McGuckin)
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How do you get PINE to decode attachments on the fly while it is saving them
with some appropriate filter depending on the Content-Type?

Specifically I am interested in UUENCODE'd or BinHex attachments.

I am not interested in the actual display - just the act of saving to disk,
be it a Save or Export.

Thanks - Damian.
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On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Randell Pelak wrote:

|First of all can anyone see this. If yes please somebody let me know.
|
|Randell Allen Pelak

All I can say is that I see this. Sorry though I don't have an answer to your
other question.

Beth Peterson
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From: [email protected] (RJ. Hopkins)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:23:36 GMT

Ben Taylor ([email protected]) wrote:
: Harish Srinivasan ([email protected]) wrote:
: :
: : Our system environment is
: : Solaris 2.4 ( x86 )
: :
: : We were using Pine on Unix. I have downloaded PC-PINE 3.95 and with a
: : older version of IMAPD, the foll is the prob:
: : The remote folder by name "SENT" is seen as "NT" clipping out first 2
: : letters. Saw the same problem mentioned in Pine-Info forum but could not
: : know the exact solution.
:
: Get /usr/ucb out of your path. You may have to hack the makefiles,
: but the basic thing is that the libraries in /usr/ucblib are broken.
: If you're linking against them, you're going to have his trouble.
: Recompile when you have this corrected.
:
: : Downloaded the Pine3.95 source and tried to compile it .
: : When I use gcc compiler, I get errors like "undefined symbol" errors .
: : Symbols mentioned are flock, random , Strtr etc etc .
: :
: : Pls suggest what OSTYPE to be used for this system.
: : Have tried gsol, gsun etc
:
: gso for gcc, or sol if you have the SparcWorks tools
:
: : Regds
: : Harish
:
: Ben

I came across the same problem with some versions of Solaris. The fix
which worked for me was to upgrade to version 3.6 of the (Washington)
IMAP-2bis server.

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From: [email protected] (Ashok Aiyar)
Subject: Re: POP3 access?
Date: 2 Aug 1996 23:36:14 GMT
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On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:38:24 -0700, Doug Piercy <[email protected]> wrote:

>Is there a version of Pine available (or forthcoming) that supports the
>widely-used POP3 protocol for retrieving remote mail instead of the
>apparently rarely-unused IMAP2 protocol?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

rarely-unused would make it widely-used :-)

Anyhow, Pine 3.9x does support pop3. Simply use the following
syntax for your mail-folder on the pop3 server.

incoming-folders= POP3 Mail {pop3host.domain/pop3}

later,
Ashok
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On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Clint Danbury wrote:

|
|How do I get the "folders" screen to show me just a few newsgroups ? At

|[email protected] Clint Danbury -

Have you tried using the unsubscribe command with in pine for the groups that
you don't want?

Beth Peterson
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On 18 Jul 1996, George Mansoor wrote:

|Can someone please point me to the FAQ for this group. I have pine 3.93
|installed on a Solaris 2.4 box. When i start pine, I get an error message
|saying that I have incomplete domain information. Anyone know what that is?
|
|George

Pine FAQ's are found at: http://www.washington.edu:1180/pine/faq/
The error message that you are getting could be because you do not have a
domain name set. I use Unix and am not familiar with Solaris but I will try
to help..

At my main screen I type S(setup), C(config) then it is about the second
selection from the top (user-domain). Select user-domain type A (add) and
then type in the domain part (right-hand side) of your return
address on outgoing email.

Hope this helps!

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department

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On 1 Aug 1996, Steve Baetzner wrote:

> I have two questions: one, how does one delete extra folders in the folder
> directory?

When in the folder lister, type D

> Two: how does one import text into PINE e-mail message so
> that it is viewable by recipient? Thanks.

From within the default composer, type Ctrl-R.

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From: [email protected] (Tim Mooney)
Subject: Re: goto a line number in pico
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In article <[email protected]>,
Evelyn Albrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Tim Mooney) writes:
>
> >If there are 10 errors on
> >various lines in a large file, it's a PITA to have to make a change, save
> >your change, quit pico, and then resart with some new +N linenumber to go
> >to the next error. A number of users had asked if there was a better way.
> >Now I can tell them definitively, "Not with pico."
>
> But the search command (^W), can be used in many cases, particularly when
> you're correcting typos, which tend to be unique.

As a couple of people have pointed out, not every compiler gives a good
indication of the text surrounding the line(s) in error, so searching for
the text may be impossible since it's not indicated. FORTRAN compilers
appear to be particularly bad about not saying on which line an error occurs,
based on the questions I've fielded from users.

There is yet another reason for wanting the `goto line' feature, though, and
that's pure simplicity. Pico is, after all, designed to be simple to use.
Though many users could use the Control-W and search for text pointed out
by the compiler (if it does that kind of thing with errors), I suspect many
would find that method to be needlessly difficult. Given enough time, I
could probably come up with quite a few examples where even given the text
of the error message it takes several repititions of a text search to
find the desired instance of that text in the file (though your argument
that typos tend to be unique is a good one, it certainly isn't always the
case). If you know the line number, it's just *much* simpler to be able to
go directly to that line.

Again, I don't even use pico; the initial question I asked was on behalf of
the large number of pico-users that I support. I was just hoping that my
inability to find the magic key sequence in pico to `goto-line' was just
ignorance of pico's capabilities on my part.

We've already seen one patch posted to this thread that implements the
desired feature. If it rains here this weekend I may come up with my own
patch to add the same feature, but with `Goto-line = ^N' listed as one of
the options right in the ^W menu, so it's no secret to the neophyte users.

Tim
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From: [email protected] (Annelise Anderson)
Subject: How to Export Text?
Date: 3 Aug 1996 05:45:18 GMT
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I'd like to be able to export selected text from a message instead
of an entire message--and also append text to a file in a later
export. Is this possible....or just too much for little pine?

Annelise

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From: [email protected] (Svante Pettersson)
Subject: Re: What is Bounce?
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 23:38:16 GMT
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[email protected] (Adam Vardy) wrote:

>Can anyone tell me what on earth Bounce does?

Say you get a mail from [email protected] that was intended for me. If you
forward it to me I'll get the mail as "From:
[email protected]". If you OTOH 'Bounce' that mail to me,
i will get it as "From: [email protected]" and if I look into the headers
I'll see "By way of abe004@Info...".

Could be handy if I filter my mail based on the "From:" field