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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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There is a secret -a flag that causes pilot to show dot files,
ala "ls -a" ...

-teg

On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote:

> On 22 Mar 1996, David L Miller wrote:
> dlm> > pilot - ???
> dlm>
> dlm> PIne's Lister Of Things. It is basically the file browser from
> dlm> pine/pico stripped out for use as a file browser. This is Pilot's
> dlm> first public release, so let us know what you think!
>
> Quick, easy and simple, but I can't see/edit my .files :-(
> Regards from Finn in Denmark
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If you pull the source code distribution for Pine you will find the man
pages in the "doc" subdirectory therin.

Cheers,

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On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Otto Mok wrote:

> I was wondering if there exist any standard man pages exist for pine for Unix...
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Otto out!
>
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I *think* Lcc stands for "list carbon copy" -- the online help is
singularly unhelpful at present (but has been reported and will be fixed
in the next release).

I *think* it operates like Bcc (or possibly Cc) but doesn't expand
distribuation lists used from the Address Book. To, Cc and Bcc would
expand such a list and show you all the names as compose the outgoing
message, giving you much to scroll past. Lcc (apparently) won't.

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On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Bob Burge wrote:

> What does it stand for?
>
> Bob
>

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You can get a prototype system-wide configuration file by giving the
command

pine -conf > pine.conf

and then moving this file into the correct location
(/usr/local/lib/pine.conf, if memory serves).

Virtually all the user configuration file settings can be set in the
system-wide file. There are also a few extra items for the feature-list
that are ONLY effective in the systemwide configuration files (such as
disable-keyboard-lock-cmd).

Note that users can override settings in the system-wide configuration
file in their own personal configuration files. To enforce particular
settings also list them in the "fixed" system-wide configuration file:

/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed

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On 28 Mar 1996, Christoph Torlinsky wrote:

> without sounding tooo lame, what does a system wide pine.conf look
> like? I want all my users to use the same domain foroutbound mail..
>
> thanks
>
> Lil
> chris
>

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could anyone please tell me how to escape to the shell and execute an unix
command(using the unix pipe command enable option).
also i wanted to know whether X in the config menu means enable or
disable
thanks
ashish

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I'd suggest asking your local Computer Centre's Help Desk!

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On Fri, 29 Mar 1996 [email protected] wrote:

> I was wondering if I could get some info on how to use unix. the only
> command I know is pine.
>

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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Ashish S. Nadkarni wrote:

> could anyone please tell me how to escape to the shell and execute an unix
> command(using the unix pipe command enable option).

Hummm.....

If you want to go from pine to the unix shell then you'd want to

[X] enable-suspend

in the setup/config. Then, you'd use ctrl-z to suspend pine and
get a unix shell prompt.

If you enabled the pipe command....then you can pipe the body of
a message to a unix command that you specify.

Hope that helps....

> also i wanted to know whether X in the config menu means enable or
> disable

[X] indicates "set". You then have to look at the verbage of
the parameter in question.

Looking at the following:

[ ] disable-keymenu
[ ] enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation

If you have:

[X] disable-keymenu

then keymenu is disable. If it is "[ ]" then it is enabled.

OK??

Ed

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On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Terry Gray wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Finn Hybjerg Hansen wrote:
> > On 22 Mar 1996, David L Miller wrote:
> > dlm> PIne's Lister Of Things. It is basically the file browser from
> > dlm> pine/pico stripped out for use as a file browser. This is Pilot's
> > dlm> first public release, so let us know what you think!
> > ...

I don't know what's going on but the versions of pilot that I've built
using GSO and HPP options to build don't react to keyboard inputs
correctly. I get a list of files displayed on the screen in 2 columns.
So it looks OK, but any of the keys (except cursor keys) just cause the
inverse-video to move to the next entry. For example, if I hit v it just
moves the highlight to the next entry. If I press any cursor-moving key,
then it moves the highlight to the third entry after the one that is
currently highlighted.

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I dont know if this is OS/2 port specific or a general bug in 3.92.

I had a folder which was both an incoming folder and an ordinary folder.
I did "L", and deleted the incoming folder. I then scrolled down to its
incarnation as an ordinary folder, and when "D" to be told that it did not
exist. It then clicked that there is of course only one file, and when I
remade the folder index, the ordinary folder had gone too. Would it be
possible to track that to get it right?

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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On 25 Mar 1996 20:20:25 GMT, Matthew D Stock wrote:
> At long last, pine has authentication support, which means that it may not
> be used as a newsreader at our site. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it
> to function. From what I can tell by browsing the code, if pine
> notices a 480 response from the server, it should prompt me for a username
> and password to use to authenticate myself. This doesn't seem to happen,
> and I get the "480 Authentication required" message on the screen. I
> wasn't able to find any documentation on how to get this to work. Does
> anyone have any suggestions?

Wait a second...

Are you saying that the AUTHINFO command is needed for *reading* news with
NNTP, instead of just for posting?

If so, this is news to me.

We don't have that kind of NNTP server here, and there's no published protocol
specification to refer to, so I'm pretty much reduced to guessing how it's
supposed to work.

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Opps, forgot to edit the attachment. I think this is on sendmail's faq
already.

Andi

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In article <Pine.SOL.3.92.960328142811.4250B-100000@cspo> Bob Burge
<[email protected]> writes:

What does it stand for?

List carbon copy. If you place the nickname of an address list there
(and leave the To: line blank), pine will show you to whom it will go,
but the recipient will not see these addresses. Instead, the recipient
sees
To: undisclosed.recipients:;

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From: [email protected] (Jerry Lynch)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Subject: Re: Pine3.91 & Sendmail 8.7.3 userdb
Date: 31 Jan 1996 22:50:27 GMT
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Here is my attempt at writing a "FAQ-like" description of how I got the
USERDB to work with pine. I sent this to the Sendmail FAQ, but it
hasn't been added since I last checked. I'm using an older version of
sendmail (8.6.12 I think), so there are no guarantees. I would
encourage you to post a "feature request" or the likes to
comp.mail.sendmail about this. I did so a while back, but never got
any response.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
* How do I get the user database (userdb) to work with Pine.

The basic incompatibility with Pine and the user database option
is in how Pine writes From addresses in the header. Most MUAs
write the From address as "From: user", while Pine, for reasons
given in its documentation, write the From address as
"From: user@FQDN" (FQDN=fully qualified domain name). Because of
this difference, the user database does not rewrite pine headers.

One solution to this problem is to make the following change in
/etc/sendmail.cf after you have the user database option installed
and working with other MUAs:

In the "local info" section, add the following:

# Define our userdb file for pine rewrites
Kuserdb btree -o /etc/userdb.db

After ruleset 0, add the following as ruleset 1:

##################################################
### Ruleset 1, rewrite sender header & envelope ##
##################################################
#Thanks to Bjart Kvarme <[email protected]>
S1
R$- < @ $=w . > $* $: $1 < @ $2 . > $3 ?? $1 username@localhost ?
R$+ ?? $+ $: $1 ?? $(userdb $2 : mailname $: @ $)
R$+ ?? @ $@ $1 Not found
R$+ ?? $+ $>3 $2 Found, rewrite

#NOTE ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# Use Tab Characters Use Tab Characters in these regions
# to make three columns (the line with "mailname" only has 2 columns).

Now the user database should re-write messages sent with Pine.
If this still does not work for you, try adding the following
to either the system wide pine.conf, pine.conf.fixed, or your
personal .pinerc:

user-domain=localhost

This has been known to help solve the problem for some people.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Any thanks for the above should be sent to: Bjart Kvarme
<[email protected]>
who was kind enough to post this solution a while back.

On 29 Jan 1996 16:05:35 -0500, Mike S <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have recently upgraded to Sendmail 8.7.3 and I'm using the userdb
>function to replace mailname@domain to First_Lastname@domain for
>outgoing and incoming mail.
>
>Mailx uses this feature without any problems, but Pine continues to use
>the mailname for outgoing mail. I have tried various changes to .pinerc
>to no avail, such as not setting any user or domain information and
>quelling mailname lookup in the passwd file.
>
>Could someone let me know if this is do-able with Pine 3.91. or if there
>is a newer release that supports this.
>
>Thanks,

--
Jerry <[email protected]>

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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Hah! I was just about to test this when I saw your message go by!

The scenario as I understand it....

Here we are using the INN news server software to run our service. The
latest official release of this is version 1.4. Version 1.5 is still
"under development" (I believe) but I suspect is a _long_ way off. In
view of this someone is now maintaining an archive of unofficial releases
of INN 1.4 which include the various patches floating around the Net.
These are named INN1.4unoff1, INN1.4unoff2, etc. The latest is unoff 4.

INN allows (wild-carded) machine addresses to be configured so that a
username and password have to be used.

Vanilla INN 1.4 allowed any host allowed to connect to the server to
_read_ any newsgroup. Posting was either enabled by default (no username
and password set up in the configuration file), or _only_ after
authenticating (username and password set up in configuration file).

However the _idea_ behind INN's authentication seems to be that the news
administrator should be able to control what newsgroups (authenticating)
people can _read_ as well as _post to_. Vanilla INN 1.d did not allow
this.

However some of the fixes introduced into the unoff3 release (and possibly
also in earlier unoff releases) fixed this (promptly breaking our local
configuration file for a while!).

The result is that in INN1.4unoff3 (and, presumably, later releases) your
are required to authenticate before you can _read_ news (eg, the "GROUP"
command returns a "480 Authentication required for command" message).
This is so that the news server knows which groups you have access to.

So if Pine doesn't support authentication for _reading_ it isn't going to
work against INN1.4unoff3 and later where authentication is needed.

[I've just checked, and it does indeed fail.]

Just when you thought it was safe to leave the programming... :-)

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Mark Crispin wrote:

> Wait a second...
>
> Are you saying that the AUTHINFO command is needed for *reading* news with
> NNTP, instead of just for posting?
>
> If so, this is news to me.
>
> We don't have that kind of NNTP server here, and there's no published protocol
> specification to refer to, so I'm pretty much reduced to guessing how it's
> supposed to work.

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Subject: Re: PGP filter for pine 3.92
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark M.) writes:

: It is probably better to just set
: EncryptToSelf = on
: in your pgp configuration file.

> Using EncryptToSelf is a potential problem. If your secret key is
> discovered, someone will be able to read every encrypted e-mail you
> have ever received as well as sent. I think that it is a better idea
> to save the e-mail to the "sent-mail" folder before encrypting.

this just doesn't make any sense. you say that everyone will be able
to read your mail if you set EncrytToSelf=on and that this is a bad
thing but in the next breath you suggest just storing the plain text?

at least if it's encrypted you've presented some challenge to the
attacker.

- -pjf

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From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
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Is it deliberately the case that pinedebug is switched on for 3.92? (At
least for the OS/2 and Windows ports)

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]>
Subject: Autoreply and Mail Sorting: Re: two messages
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On 31 Mar 1996, Ashish S. Nadkarni wrote:

> dear sir,
> could you please let me know whether pine supports auto reply or
> whether i need to install an auto reply/filtering system.i have heard of
> procmail but i do not know where to get it from.any suggestions?
> thanks
> ashish

On 30 Mar 1996, Deborah Olsen wrote:

> Okay can someone please settle this once and for all. I'm getting all
> types of stories.
>
> I'm using PINE 3.92 for UNIX and I need to edit my .pinerc so I can
> distribute mail as it comes in into it's designated folder.
> [...]

Both of these inquiries can actually be answered together. Pine
(even the new Pine 3.92) does NOT do autoreply. Also, Pine does NOT
presort incoming mail into separate folders based on criteria such as
coming from different mailing lists. In either case, you have to use
some program which preprocesses the mail before Pine gets hold of it.
One of the more common programs for Unix systems, as Ashish Nadkarni
noted, is procmail. Procmail can do both autoreply and sorting of mail
into folders (as well as a lot more -- it's a powerful program).

Nancy McGough has made a great deal of very useful information
available on Pine and mail filtering/preprocessing via the World Wide
Web. If you have a Web browser, browse my home page and follow the
link to Nancy's pages. Look at the Contents and find what you need.

Paul <[email protected]>
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Sure! I got your message.

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On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, mvelema wrote:

> can you send me some e-mail to prove to my teacher that i can use this
> program (pine)
>

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Please delete me from your list. Thank you!

UNSUBSCRIBE!!

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From: Matthew D Stock <[email protected]>
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To: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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Subject: re: news authentication in 3.92
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<[email protected]>

Mike Brudenell writes:
> Hah! I was just about to test this when I saw your message go by!
>
> The scenario as I understand it....

> [ The scenario as you understand it ]

Yes, that's my understanding as well. Browsing the INN unoff4 source, they
assume you have almost no privs until you authenticate.

I would strongly suggest finding information about the AUTHINFO "generic"
authentication, and using that. It seems to solve a variety of problems,
and will allow sites to authenticate in any way they choose. There are
docs regarding it on Dave Barr's site if I remember correctly.
Thanks,
-Matt

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Mark Crispin writes:
> Are you saying that the AUTHINFO command is needed for *reading* news with
> NNTP, instead of just for posting?

See my last message WRT news reading, but that isn't my real problem.
I was having problems posting. I couldn't find any docs or description on
how to use the authentication features in pine, so I started browsing the
code. It seems to me that I would be prompted for my username and password
if pine tried to post, and got a 480 in response. It would then use that
username and password to authenticate, and then try again. This doesn't
seem to happen. Am I missing something, or are there docs to look at for
this?

BTW, since I plan on moving to unoff4 as our newsreading news server
sometime during the summer, it would be nice to see AUTHINFO generic
supported in pine. trn now has support, and so their dev group may be able
to help you implement it. Until all of this stuff settles out, we have
pine newsreading/posting disabled. :-/
Thanks,
-Matt

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Are there any implementation (applet or application) of POP3(Post Office
Protocol Version 3 : RFC-1725) or IMAP4 (Internet Message Access Protocol
Version 4 : RFC-1731)?

Any Java application or applet like pine or Eudora?

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Check out my Mail Filtering and Robots page at:

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Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]

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whenever i cancel a compose message in pine ver 3.92(unix) i get a
dead.letter in my home directory.this never used to happen in the earlier
version.any suggestions to get rid of this?
thanks
ashish

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| |
| ASHISH S. NADKARNI [email protected] |
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| Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Lab,|res address: |
| DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS, |21/2A,Jagdishnagar, |
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Ashish S. Nadkarni wrote:

> whenever i cancel a compose message in pine ver 3.92(unix) i get a
> dead.letter in my home directory.this never used to happen in the earlier
> version.any suggestions to get rid of this?

I second this request - noticed it several times this weekend. Pain in
the neck.

Anyone with a workaround or solution, *please* post to the list...

Lea

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> > I am looking for a script which I can include in my .login file
> > which will randomly choose a file out of a specified directory
> > and copy it over the current .signature file. This would of course
> > create a new .signature file each time I logged in.
>
> Once you find it (if it exits), please let me know...

There is a perl script that will attach a random signature available by
searching the pine-info archives. It's a bit long (and not long ago) to
re-post. I haven't tried it but here's some info to search for to get
it:

* Subject: Random Signatures in Pine
* From: [email protected] (Andrew Philip Fabbro)
* Date: 12 Jan 1996 21:48:37 GMT

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I seem to have problems when it comes to receiving encoded mail. Can you
help with this.

I use both the Unix Elm and Pine mail programs and also can utilize Eudora
if necessary.

Here are my questions:

1. If a person uses a word processing program to create a file, does he
have to save the file to ASCII?

a. If he does save the file to ASCII, does he need to encode that
file when attaching it to an e-mail message?

b. If he doesn't save it to ASCII and leaves it as a binary file,
what are the ramifications. Should he send the file as is or??

2. Once I receive the file and it is mime encoded, should Pine "Always"
be able to decode the file? If not, what do I do?

3. If I receive a uuencoded file, will uudecode always be able to
decode the file (in Unix)? If not, what do I do?

The reason I ask these questions, is because the other day someone
sent me 4 different file attachements and after trying every way possible
to decode them, I could not read any one of them.

Is it possible that I have to read the file using the same program that
he used to write them on? One of the files was a Framemaker document and
the others were other MS programs.

Your help would be appreciated.

Rich Hill
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I'd like to know where the code is for parsing the send-to address. What I
want to do is press "?" or even CTRL-<something> and go to an address query
utility. (not the address book). At Penn, they've modified elm slightly so
that when you press the "?" key in the to: field, it loads up a query tool
so that you can enter something like "M? Robinson" and it will give you my
email address from the UPenn directory.

I'd like to do the same for Pine. Any ideas?

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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Lea wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Ashish S. Nadkarni wrote:
>
> > whenever i cancel a compose message in pine ver 3.92(unix) i get a
> > dead.letter in my home directory.this never used to happen in the ear=
lier
> > version.any suggestions to get rid of this?
>
> Anyone with a workaround or solution, *please* post to the list...

Set on the ``Quell-dead-letter-on-cancel'' in Setup Config screen ...

It should help (according to on-line help).

V. S.

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Subject: Re: PGP filter for pine 3.92
Date: 31 Mar 1996 23:22:52 GMT
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Jeffrey Goldberg ([email protected]) wrote:
:
: On 24 Mar 1996, Mats Arvendal wrote:
:
: > You could add your own emailaddress to sending-filters, this way you can
: > read the copy in the sent-mail folder.
: >
: > sending-filters=/home/roland/bin/pgpsign,
: > /home/roland/bin/pgpencrypt [email protected] _RECIPIENTS_
:
:
: It is probably better to just set
: EncryptToSelf = on
: in your pgp configuration file.

Using EncryptToSelf is a potential problem. If your secret key is discovered,
someone will be able to read every encrypted e-mail you have ever received as
well as sent. I think that it is a better idea to save the e-mail to the
"sent-mail" folder before encrypting.

- -- Mark

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> > Anyone with a workaround or solution, *please* post to the list...
>
> Set on the ``Quell-dead-letter-on-cancel'' in Setup Config screen ...

Wonderful - works like a charm! Thanks!

Lea

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Hi;

I just brought up pine3.92 on a system that has never ran pine before, and
it catches an error almost immediately.

The indications are:
an e-mail comes into the system
Pine sees it and tells me that I have new mail
I read the message and delete it, but do not exit pine
a few minutes later, I get the message "unexpected changes to mailbox (try
restarting)" and can no longer see whats in my inbox
quit and restart pine and all seems well until the next message

I have compared the mail files before and after one of these failures and
see that the mail is being changed. A line is added after I read the mail
that read "Status:RO" and another that reads "X-UIDL: 828398816.000", (I
believe that the numeric portion of the last message changes).

Any ideas/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.....

Thanks
Bob Stewart ([email protected])

mail stop B294 phone = 505-667-9847 ta3, sm261, room P100

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Who can help with IMAP annd pre-authentication ?? I want to make it do
pre-authentication. so users don't have to type in the passwd again when
they using pine. I already try to linux imapd to /etc/rimapd. no luck :(
Thanks

Alan.

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With 'mail' one could add a statement 'set receipt' in the .mailrc file to get
confirmation of receipts from remote mailer servers. How is this done in the
pine client? Can't find anything in the Pine documentation re this. thanks,cw

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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Bob Stewart wrote:

> Hi;
>
> I just brought up pine3.92 on a system that has never ran pine before, and
> it catches an error almost immediately.
>
> The indications are:
> an e-mail comes into the system
> Pine sees it and tells me that I have new mail
> I read the message and delete it, but do not exit pine
> a few minutes later, I get the message "unexpected changes to mailbox (try
> restarting)" and can no longer see whats in my inbox
> quit and restart pine and all seems well until the next message
>
> I have compared the mail files before and after one of these failures and
> see that the mail is being changed. A line is added after I read the mail
> that read "Status:RO" and another that reads "X-UIDL: 828398816.000", (I
> believe that the numeric portion of the last message changes).
>
> Any ideas/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.....

Sounds like you have another process accessing your mailbox.

The X-UIDL header would seem to indicate that it is some type of
POP3 process. Do you have a PC on the network checking for new mail?

I run pine on Solaris 2.5 under CDE. When email comes in I first
get a visual indication from CDE (Common DestTop Environment). When the
time comes for pine to check for new mail I get the pine audio indication
and the CDE visual indication is reset.

Regards,

Ed

Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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In article <[email protected]>, Julie Berman wrote:
>Is there a way to select all the messages in the inbox (there are over
>100 and I don't want to send each one individually) and forward them to
>one address?

Make sure you have the `[X] enable-aggregate-command-set' enabled in
your Pine configuration then do a Select `;', All `a', Apply `a', Forward
`f' and follow the prompts from there.

Sully

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________________________________________________________________________

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I'm having a major drama trying to send an attachment. How do I access
the floppy drive to get a file to attach? I'm using a Macintosh LC.

Shaun Deller

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I'd like to know if I can send e-mail to Japan through Pine? If so
how would I do this. I have family in KOBE, Japan that I'd like to
try and hook up with, with e-mail. If you have imfomation on what
route would be a good route, would you e-mail it to me. Thank you
very much.
Bobby Norwood

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From: Syed Azman Shahrim Syed Abdullah <[email protected]>
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I am Azman from RMIT, Melbourne, address :
[email protected]

My question is I have sent quite a number of email to
my friend back in M'sia and I also have confirmed with
him to reply back my emails. It has been 3 days of waiting
and until now I haven't got any reply.
Could you please tell me what should I do so that I am
able to received an email from M'sia. And could you please
tell me about anything related to setup of my account
with email ( maybe there is something that I haven't set
and I don't realised it ).
My friend's adress is : [email protected]

I am looking forward to your reply soon.
Thanks for your commitment.
Good bye.

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From: Sven Guckes <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Receiving Encoded Mail. Help!
Date: 1 Apr 1996 23:57:58 GMT
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[email protected] (Rich) writes:
>1. If a person uses a word processing program to create a file, does he
> have to save the file to ASCII?

No.

> a. If he does save the file to ASCII, does he need to encode that
> file when attaching it to an e-mail message?

No.Yes. Always uuencode the ASCII files!

> b. If he doesn't save it to ASCII and leaves it as a binary file,
> what are the ramifications. Should he send the file as is or??

Encoding is only necessary if any part of the transport does not transfer the
data as is. If in doubt - encode. If still in doubt - encode again!

>2. Once I receive the file and it is mime encoded, should Pine "Always"
> be able to decode the file? If not, what do I do?

MIME encoded means that *some* encoding was used.
If your setup has to deal with a code it does not know then you
loseneed to get the proper decoder.
Wanna buy a MIME coder ring? Really cheap!

>3. If I receive a uuencoded file, will uudecode always be able to
> decode the file (in Unix)? If not, what do I do?

"Will the decoder decode the encoded data?" Naah. Of course not! Silly boy!

>The reason I ask these questions, is because the other day someone sent me 4
>different file attachements and after trying every way possible to decode
>them, I could not read any one of them.

Sending random garbage as MIME attachments sure keeps the newbies away...

>Is it possible that I have to read the file using the same program that he
>used to write them on? One of the files was a Framemaker document and the
>others were other MS programs.

Hey, did Bill Gates tell you that?
Never use a program *twice* on the same data!
Get the upgrade!
Comsume!
Buy!!!

>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Credit Management Info & Support = http://www.creditworthy.com/~richh
> Newsgroup = misc.business.credit e-mail = [email protected]
> Mailing List = credit_mgmt-l
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Credit Management Info & Support = http://www.creditworthy.com/~richh
> Newsgroup = misc.business.credit e-mail = [email protected]
> Mailing List = credit_mgmt-l

*sigh* I have no mercy for people who do not know how to attach a sig...

Oh, it's April *second* already? Sheesh..

Sven [A file is a file is a file is a file.]

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Cc: [email protected]
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On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Syed Azman Shahrim Syed Abdullah wrote:

> I am Azman from RMIT, Melbourne, address :
> [email protected]
>
> My question is I have sent quite a number of email to
> my friend back in M'sia and I also have confirmed with
> him to reply back my emails. It has been 3 days of waiting
> and until now I haven't got any reply.
> Could you please tell me what should I do so that I am
> able to received an email from M'sia. And could you please
> tell me about anything related to setup of my account
> with email ( maybe there is something that I haven't set
> and I don't realised it ).
> My friend's adress is : [email protected]
>
> I am looking forward to your reply soon.
> Thanks for your commitment.

Well....you've actually come to the wrong place. This list
is for the discussion of the features and functions of the User Agent
called pine. It is not to help you resolve email problems.

However, maybe your friend in Malaysia has not sent you anything
in return? You can telephone your friend and ask if they have sent you
something.

Maybe your friend is having trouble with Jaring as their ISP.
There are other ISPs in Malaysia which, IMHO, provide better customer
service.

Regards,

Ed

Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: re: news authentication in 3.92
To: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
Cc: Matthew D Stock <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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Mike -

I appreciate your offer for access to your NNTP server. If you want to do
this, any *.cac.washington.edu name should be allowed.

However, I am quite a bit concerned by what you're telling me. It seems that
this functionality is a moving target, and worse, is in an unofficial release
that is not blessed by the developer of that software.

It makes me feel as if I'm being asked to jump from a building on the
assurance that by the time I reach the ground someone will have contrived to
have erected a net. And, of course, that this newly-erected net will be where
I aimed for and not some other place that was decided after I jumped...

I think that I have to insist upon a formal spec as well as a testbed so I
have some idea what I'm implementating against. Too many programs besides
Pine depend upon c-client, and thus we have to tread very carefully. I
implemented AUTHINFO USER based upon what I was told, and apparently some
people are having problems with it. Others seem to think that it works fine.

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Subject: Pipe a file to outgoing message text.
Date: 1 Apr 1996 20:36:11 -0800
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Hello,

UNIX mail allows me to pipe a file to a outgoing message,
hence I can do something like the following:

mail myFriend < Goodnews.txt

Is there any way to do this using pine?
Most specifically, I am interested in using the pine
addresbook from the command line.

Thanks.
Dave.
--
Have a nice day.
Dave.

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Subject: Re: return receipts in Pine
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:55:48 -0800
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You need to add a customized header entry to your .pinerc file:

customized-hdrs=Return-Receipt-To:

Then when you run pine, use the rich headers command ^R to see this field
in the header, and type in a return address.
If you want a receipt for EVERY message you send, put your mail address
at the end of this line in your .pinerc

--
Mark Wilcutts
Mechanical Engineering Department University of California
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"If it's fun, it's not work!"

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 [email protected] wrote:

>
> With 'mail' one could add a statement 'set receipt' in the .mailrc file to get
> confirmation of receipts from remote mailer servers. How is this done in the
> pine client? Can't find anything in the Pine documentation re this. thanks,cw
>
>

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Subject: Re: unix pipe command
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:07:15 -0800
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X in the config menus means "enabled" or "on".
Once you have enabled the unix pipe command, type "|" and a unix command
at the prompt.

FYI, type "O" for "Other commands" and you should see the "|" at the
bottom of the screen.

--
Mark Wilcutts
Mechanical Engineering Department University of California
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On 1 Apr 1996, Ashish S. Nadkarni wrote:

> could anyone please tell me how to escape to the shell and execute an unix
> command(using the unix pipe command enable option).
> also i wanted to know whether X in the config menu means enable or
> disable
> thanks
> ashish
>

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From: [email protected] (Ordway Music Theatre)
Subject: small pine 3.92 oddity
Date: 1 Apr 1996 17:41:31 GMT
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When I run my new pine 3.92 as root on my DG box, I keep getting the
following error:
[Error saving configuration in file "/.pinerc": No such file or directory]

However, the file does exist and is owned by root and is writable and
readable by root. I had tried removing the .pinerc and then running pine
again but that didn't help. I then copied a 3.92 .pinerc from another
account and ran pine again to no avail.

Anyone have any suggestions? I'm I just being brain dead today?

Thanks
-Bryce

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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1. Make a link from /etc/rimapd to your imapd executable.

2. Ensure that the executable is executable by everyone.

3. Set up your IMAP host so that people can use "rsh" to it. In practice
this means either each person needs to set up a ".rhosts" file in their
home directory on the IMAP server that grants access to any host they are
likely to run UNIX Pine on, or the systems manager needs to set up a
hosts.equiv file (does the same thing, but at a systemwide level for
everyone).

4. Test, from another machine, that you can rsh to the IMAP server
computer by giving a command such as "rsh ls". The success of this will
confirm you have got the rsh mechanism set up OK in general.

5. Test, from the other machine, that you can fire up the
pre-authenticated rsh daemon by giving the command: "rsh /etc/rimapd".
This should give you a welcome banner. Disconnect by typing "A01 LOGOUT".

Note that by allowing people to use pre-authenticated sessions to your
IMAP server computer you are implicitly allowing them to rsh *any* command
or session onto it (eg, "rsh runsomeverylongprogram"). We solved this
by setting the shell of Mere Mortal users to a locally-written program
that ONLY allows them to issue the /etc/rimapd command. :-)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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On 1 Apr 1996 [email protected] wrote:

> Who can help with IMAP annd pre-authentication ?? I want to make it do
> pre-authentication. so users don't have to type in the passwd again when
> they using pine. I already try to linux imapd to /etc/rimapd. no luck :(
> Thanks
>
> Alan.
>

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[If it really *is* a major drama for you then you may very well be better
off asking your local Help Desk for support!]

I am going to assume you are using the UNIX version of Pine (ie, are
connecting to a UNIX computer at your site and then giving it the command
"pine") ... you didn't say explicitly (it helps if you do!), but because I
happen to know that Pine isn't available for a Macintosh!

UNIX Pine can only attach files that the computer it is running on can
"see" on one of its disk drives: in this case the UNIX filestore. You
cannot attach a file that is sitting on another machine's disk drive
(unless that disk drive has been specially made available to ("mounted
on") the UNIX computer and is hence available to it).

Consequently you first need to transfer the file from the Macintosh to
your UNIX system. Once on there you can then attach it to your Pine
message.

Quite how you do the transfer depends very much on the software you have
got set up on the Macintosh and the services available to it from your
UNIX mainframe. Possibilities include:

1. Using an "ftp" program on the Mac to transfer the file.
2. Using a "Kermit" or "Xmodem" program on the Mac to transfer the file.
3. Copying the file through a GatorBox link to the UNIX filestore (this
usually results in TWO files on the UNIX system, and so is not ideal
for use as an attachment).

You will need to ask your local Help Desk for advice.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, SHAUN D. DELLER wrote:

> I'm having a major drama trying to send an attachment. How do I access
> the floppy drive to get a file to attach? I'm using a Macintosh LC.
>
> Shaun Deller
>

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Subject: Problem Using Unix Pine 3.92 and Win95...
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 18:05:41 -0600
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I am having difficulty with Unix Pine 3.92 now that I have converted to
Windows 95. When I attempt to print a message from my unix window it
looks like it is going to print but nothing ever comes out. This
problem has just appeared since I converted to Win95. Any
Suggestions??? Please e-mail responses.

Thanks--

Greg Hickel
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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Cc: Matthew D Stock <[email protected]>,
Pine Info Mailing List <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Mark Crispin wrote:

> Mike -
>
> I appreciate your offer for access to your NNTP server.

I've set this up, Mark, and will e-mail you separately with the username
and password to use when authenticating to the server.

> However, I am quite a bit concerned by what you're telling me. It seems that
> this functionality is a moving target, and worse, is in an unofficial release
> that is not blessed by the developer of that software.

The question _really_ is "Is there still a developer of INN?" INN 1.4 has
been the official release for *ages* with no sign of 1.5 at all. I heard
a rumour that Rich Salz, the author, was suffering from burn-out and had
suspended development ... but may very well be wrong (do you know anything
about this, Matthew?) I have tried e-mailing him with a bug report, but
the message could not be delivered as the destination machine didn't come
up on the network.

Hence the establishment of the unoff archives, so that people have easy
access to kits with bug-fix patches included.

> It makes me feel as if I'm being asked to jump from a building on the
> assurance that by the time I reach the ground someone will have contrived to
> have erected a net. And, of course, that this newly-erected net will be where
> I aimed for and not some other place that was decided after I jumped...
>
> I think that I have to insist upon a formal spec as well as a testbed so I
> have some idea what I'm implementating against. Too many programs besides
> Pine depend upon c-client, and thus we have to tread very carefully. I
> implemented AUTHINFO USER based upon what I was told, and apparently some
> people are having problems with it. Others seem to think that it works fine.

I think two quite separate issues are being confused here...

1. INN 1.4unoff1 still supports and makes use of AUTHINFO USER / AUTHINFO
PASS. The *only* difference is what commands are available to a
connection before it has authenticated. INN1.4vanilla allows GROUP,
ARTICLE, etc wheras INN1.4unoff1 and later don't. This forces the user to
authenticate before they can read news.

2. Matthew mentioned AUTHINFO GENERIC support. This is, as I understand
it, quite different and separate from AUTHINFO USER. I hadn't actually
heard of it until Matthew mentioned it, but looking at the source code
seems to imply it is merely a different way of authenticating. In
particular it allows the Yes/No to be decided by external support programs
(located in an approved directory, of course!).

Sites "working fine" are probably using one of: non-INN software as their
server; INN1.4vanilla; INN1.4unoff1 or later but without authentication.

A workaround, easily implemented, is for news administrators such as
myself to patch the nnrpd (news reading daemon) source code so that the
news _reading_ commands are again available before a user authenticates.

Personally I would feel compelled to do this if Pine couldn't be adjusted
to accept and respond to a request for authentication returned in response
to NNRP commands other than POST. (We've been having some problems here
this term with "problem" postings; I want to get authentication turned on,
but we are using Pine as our preferred and support news reader ... hence I
need to solve or workaround the problem!)

Basically Pine (or more accurately C-Client?) needs to be able to respond
to a "480 Authentication required" whatever command caused it to be issued
(not just POST). I may be mistaken (I haven't checked the source code
yet) but shouldn't this be fairly straightforward?

The AUTHINFO GENERIC (apparently "just" a method of requesting a different
authentication scheme be used) can wait (at least, it can in our books!).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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For information, INN1.4unoff3 allows only the following commands to be
used until you have successfully authenticated (assuming the news server
is configured so that you _do_ have to authenticate, of course!):

AUTHINFO
DATE
HELP
MODE
SLAVE

Everything else will (should!) generate a "480 Authentication required"
response if you have yet to authenticate.

As far as I can tell from the (UNIX) Pine source code the only two files
affected are in the c-client library:

nntp.c ... uses POST, but is already programmed to
detect and respond to a 480 message.

nntpcunx.c ... uses LIST, GROUP, LISTGROUP, XHDR, HEAD,
BODY and STAT without checking for 480
responses.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: command line args to start pine viewing news group list?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:53:47 -0500
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On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Nancy McGough wrote:
> What's the best command line arguments to use to start pine and have
> it present me my list of news groups? Note that I often have
> multiple sessions of pine going, including one that's viewing my
> inbox, so I want to make sure that whenever I open up a pine
> session for news reading it does not access my inbox (or any other
> folder) and lock it up and make it read only.

In case anyone else is interested, here's what I'm using:

alias png "pine -o -folder-collections=Folders/[] -default-fcc=Posted -I 'g,^N,^N,^T,^W'"

Things to note:

* png stands for pine news groups
* -o makes it so my inbox won't get locked
* -folder-collections=Folders/[] makes it so I only have one folder
collection instead of my normal gazillions; also this will be the
default directory for saves.
* -default-fcc=Posted (since most of my composes will be posted to news
groups)
* -I (initial keystrokes) - this assumes that I have incoming-folders
specified (which I do); note that ^N is entered by typing ^V^N in vi.

If anyone has any suggestions, please post them!

Thanks,
Nancy

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From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
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To: Pine Info List <[email protected]>
Cc: David Nugent <[email protected]>,
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1. I reported some while back that using the browse options there is no
way to change drives. My other reported problems with ^R/^T seem to have
been bypassed by removing the problematic features (Go to directory, for
example), but this problem remains.

2. At least in the OS/2 port, ^R tries to read files from the directory
in which it found PINERC, and not the documented $HOME.

I have pinerc coming from c:\PINE
the programs coming from C:\pine\pine392\os2
I have OS/2 parameter HOME=C:\TEMP
DOS parameter HOME is unset (but should not be being accessed by OS/2
pine, as it is not a DOS box application).

When in compose, trying ^r, specifying abc, I get the error message
File "C:\PINE\abc" not found.

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PgUp PgDn work fine in the body of a message but cause a bleep in the
header, whereas ^Y ^V work fine in both. This should be corrected for
consistency.

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OK, I will look into revamping this in imap-4 toolkit, so it'll be in Pine
4.0.

-- Mark --

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Two bugs which are almost certainly Windows pine specific, one of which
I can reproduce, and the other of which was reported to me but I cannot
reproduce.

1. If the window is made large, Pine shows more than 25 lines. In the
compose window, the mouse cannot be used to set the cursor to lines
below the 20th on the screen. (ie the normal bottom of the displayed
text).

2. (From a user)

When using the mouse to set the cursor, clicking on one of the two
leftmost characters in a line causes the cursor to be set in the
previous line.

I cannot make this happen myself; we are using the same fonts but
different mousedrivers; he has MS Mouse 9.

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Dear Pine Team:

Bravo!Bravo!Bravo! I just started playing with the 3/81/96 beta of
PC-Pine for Winsock 16 bit. I've been using a 5-1995 beta build till
now, which was very stable.

The addition of the dialog boxes and toolbar alone will answer the
most common user gripe, that "it's not a Windows (read GUI) app."

Got lots more to do to fully understand all the config options, but
wehat a nice job you have all done.
___________
Aaron Ezekiel, Senior Analyst CIRT - Information Resource Center
University of New Mexico
2701 Campus Blvd., #138 Albuquerque, NM 87131
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Subject: Re: Problem Using Unix Pine 3.92 and Win95...
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Gregory J. Hickel wrote:

>Thanks for the response. I have begun using the telnet client built into
>Win95. There seems to be no configuration option regarding a default
>printer or anything similar. Any suggestions?
>

You need a telnet client that supports "telnet-transperant-printing".
I know that the popular Windows package QVTnet supports it. Undoubtedly
there are other clients as well. If you would like to try QVTnet
you can retrieve it from biocserver.bioc.cwru.edu in /pub/windows/qvtnet.

Later,
Ashok
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On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, J. Melusky wrote:

:>> I'd like to select a group of messages for a common action (e.g. Save, Delete
:>> etc) then, once selected, apply the common action. My help screen seems to
:>> imply that the ";" can be used for Select and A for action. This can't be
:>> right because Pine tells me that ";" is not allowed on the screen that
:>> shows the folder contents.
:>> Any ideas? Thanks.
:>>
:>What do you see at the top of the screen where you are trying the ";"?
:>I see "FOLDER INDEX" and the ";" & "A" commands work fine for me. I just
:>now tried it in inbox index and a usenet index folder. Jon

You need to emable the allow-aggregate-commands optin via the ssetup
configuration screen.

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Subject: Re: 3.92 list scrolling slow
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Mihai T. LAZARESCU ([email protected]) Stood upon their soapbox and shouted:
: On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Ian Russell Ollmann wrote:
:
: > You can use ^v instead, but it
: > is an awkward key combo. feature-list=assume-slow-link doesn't revert the
: > scrolling behavior to what it was in 3.91. It seems like it should.
: >
: > Ian Ollmann
:
: You can use the very handy space bar to go a page down and `-' (minus)
: to go one page up.

This is not "very handy" if you have a large volume of mail in your index,
and have to move between the space/- and up/down arrows. The pine folks
have said that they will discuss this issue. It would be trivial if I
only had a few screens of mail, but my inbox and folders tend to have
multiple hundreds of lines, and the old behavior was much, much better.
I'm stuck on the new release at my ISP, and just can't deal with the new
scrolling with the volumes of mail that I need to page through, the
space/- keys are too counter-intuative to my typing style, this slows me
down a *lot*.

Paul.

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From: gweisz@ra (Gideon Weisz)
Subject: mail to lists from external files (not constructed item by item)??
Date: 1 Apr 1996 19:18:41 GMT
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is there any way to use pine to mail to a list of addresses,
without manually adding and deleting addresses to the lists in the
addressbook? for instance, suppose i get from elsewhere, say
from a listserv list, a list of folks that i would like to mail to.

an owner of a listserv list might want to personally back up the automated
listprocessing of a mailing list. when the listprocessor is essentially
not functioning (as one i use has for many weeks now)
then, he can always go to his most current list of subscribers. but, using
pine the normal way, each address would have to be entered by hand. any
other option in pine?
thanks,
gideon

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From: Matthew D Stock <[email protected]>
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To: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
Cc: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>,
Pine Info Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: news authentication in 3.92
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<[email protected]>

Mike Brudenell writes:
> The question _really_ is "Is there still a developer of INN?" INN 1.4 has
> been the official release for *ages* with no sign of 1.5 at all. I heard
> a rumour that Rich Salz, the author, was suffering from burn-out and had
> suspended development ... but may very well be wrong (do you know anything
> about this, Matthew?) I have tried e-mailing him with a bug report, but
> the message could not be delivered as the destination machine didn't come
> up on the network.

No, I don't have any more information. That was my understanding as well
though.

> 2. Matthew mentioned AUTHINFO GENERIC support. This is, as I understand
> it, quite different and separate from AUTHINFO USER. I hadn't actually
> heard of it until Matthew mentioned it, but looking at the source code
> seems to imply it is merely a different way of authenticating. In
> particular it allows the Yes/No to be decided by external support programs
> (located in an approved directory, of course!).

This is correct. Chris Lewis and Rich Salz wrote a protocol draft for
AUTHINFO GENERIC in late '94. I don't know exactly when it was implemented
in INN, but support is starting to show up in clients as part of the
release. xrn and trn currently have support, and others may exist as well.

> The AUTHINFO GENERIC (apparently "just" a method of requesting a different
> authentication scheme be used) can wait (at least, it can in our books!).

It's more critical for us. We have a large user base (25k+ users), and we
need to have accountability for posting. We have a large number of
machines and the university, and the central computing groups don't control
all of them (and can't be sure that they run identd). Add to that the fact
that there are a large number of PCs on campus and a PPP dial string, the
problem becomes pronounced.

With AUTHINFO GENERIC, we can use a password file authentication module
which will solve this problem. We get per-user control, but none of the
syncronization hassles of adding all of the users to the server access file.
We can also add kerberos authentication for those who don't want to send a
cleartext password.
-Matt

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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:15:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
To: Bob Burge <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: lcc: ?
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It is very similar to Bcc (Blind carbon copy) and does stand for List
carbon copy. The only difference is that the Fullname of the list from
your address book will be put in the To line. So if I have a list with a
nickname of chess and a fullname of The Chess Club, if I put "chess" in
the Lcc line the To line will look like

To: The Chess Club : ;

This is a form of address which doesn't specify any actual addressees. It
just passes on the information in the fullname and satisfies the
requirement that some mail software has that says there has to be at least
one To or cc address present. If there was no fullname for this
distribution list, you'd get the To: undisclosed recipients : ; behavior.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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Using 3.92 I would like to compose and then
postpone a series of messages. Then I'd like
to be able to go to the "postponed-msgs"
folder, select all the messages, and
batch-send them with one command.

Is this possible? Or is this more
in line for future enhancements?

Anybody?

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: dead letter
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On 1 Apr 1996, Lea wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Ashish S. Nadkarni wrote:
>
> > whenever i cancel a compose message in pine ver 3.92(unix) i get a
> > dead.letter in my home directory.this never used to happen in the earlier
> > version.any suggestions to get rid of this?
>
> I second this request - noticed it several times this weekend. Pain in
> the neck.
>
> Anyone with a workaround or solution, *please* post to the list...
>
> Lea

That makes three of us, and I'm sure many more. As a temporary
kludge, I intend to add a line to the Un*x shell script I run every
time I log off to scratch any dead.letter file.

Paul <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 [email protected] wrote:

> With 'mail' one could add a statement 'set receipt' in the .mailrc file to get
> confirmation of receipts from remote mailer servers. How is this done in the
> pine client? Can't find anything in the Pine documentation re this. thanks,cw

From the Main Menu, go into Setup and Config. Scroll down to
customized-hdrs: and add the following:

Return-Receipt-To: your_email_address

Paul <[email protected]>
----------------------------------------------------------
Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key
Home Page: URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart

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On 25 Mar 1996, Steffen Leich wrote:

> Hi,
> does anyone have a solution for using the imap-system along with a shadowed
> Linux (1.2.13 / Slackware 3.0)?

Use the "slx" port instead of "lnx".

-- Mark --

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.

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If you delete it, then the unique identifiers are destroyed and your POP
clients won't work right.

On 26 Mar 1996, Boyd Dearden wrote:

> Have install Pine 3.92 on AIX machines as well as IMAP and POP3d. Everything
> works fine. When I pop to AIX machine the following message is left in the
> Pine inbox.
>
> From: Mailer-Deamon
> Subject: Don't Delete This Message -- Mailbox internal Data.
>
> This message contains status for IMAP and POP servers.
>
>
> What does this message mean? What happens if a user deletes it?
>
>
> Boyd Dearden
> Stat. & Comp. Serv.
>
>
>

-- Mark --

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.

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From: Amr <[email protected]>
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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE
I want to recieve the latest version, this version is really bad
tell me what do I need to do, i HOPE the U of whashington does not
charge money for thid thing

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I'm having problems with folder collections since moving to 3.92. We
have a folder collection defined in pine.conf as
SOC{host:143}mail/[]
which used to work fine. Now when the collection is expanded all that is
seen are sub-directories and empty (0 byte) files. So if you search with
'w' an error is returned. If you save (or FCC) to a known folder
'folder does not exist! create?'
is returned. If I reply y(es) I get a folder exists, cannot create
message.

Have I missed something? Is anyone else experiencing this.

We're running under Solaris 2.4.

Clifford W Fulford
University of North London
ISS-UNIX development
E-mail: [email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Telephone: 0171-607-2789 x 7314. Home 0181-986-5239

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"New in Pine version 3.92 is the Lcc (List Carbon Copy) field, which
combines the functions of the To: and Bcc: fields. It allows you to select
a list of addresses from your addressbook and shows the name of the list
-- but not the individual addresses in the list -- in the message's To: field,
while delivering a copy of the message to each address on the list."

In article
<Pine.SOL.3.92.960328142811.4250B-100000@cspo>,
Bob Burge <[email protected]> writes:
>What does it stand for?
>
>Bob
>

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Hello, I build pine on ptx , and placed my pine.conf.fixed into
/usr/local/lib/
however, when a user invokes pine they dont get my defaults...
do I have to do something to pine before I compile it so it knows
about the location of pine.conf.fixed?

much thanks

-chris

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Hi,

I use pine on a hp machine under hp-ux 9.07. It has been working fine until
today when it hanged trying to open the INBOX. I have set $MAIL as inbox-path,
which should be correct - I can read my mail with elm. Starting pine with
-f sent-mail is possible, but any attempt to open the INBOX results in a hangup.
Even killing pine does not work, I have to kill the shell, and the pine process
remains even then. Installing pine3.92 doesn't change anything, it hangs just
the same. Perhaps the sysop has changed something in the email configuration,
but as he does not support pine, I can get no help from there. What can I do to
find out why pine hangs, and to get it to run again ?

Thank you for any help,

Matthias

==============================================================================
Matthias Zenker MAIL: Fraunhofer Institute for Solar Energy Systems
Oltmannsstr. 5, 79100 Freiburg, Germany
PHONE: +49 761 4588 179 FAX: +49 761 4588 217
EMAIL: [email protected]
==============================================================================

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[email protected] wrote:
:
: With 'mail' one could add a statement 'set receipt' in the .mailrc file to get
: confirmation of receipts from remote mailer servers. How is this done in the
: pine client? Can't find anything in the Pine documentation re this. thanks,cw

Add "Return-Recipt-To: [email protected]" to the list of "customized
headers." This is in config under the option "customized-hdrs."

- -- Mark

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When I try to start the program Music Box I get a message declaring
that no CD device is available. Why? It appears that all suggested
drivers are installed. Suggested from the help menu. My MSCDEX.EXE is
loaded high by the autoexec file. Can it be that Music Box can't find the
CD player because the two aren't in the same memory areas? I don't use
the program that much, but it bothers me when my system doesn't follow my
instructions. You could say my system bothers me quite a bit. I would
appreciate any help.

Daniel J. Rambo
Cole Service Bldg.
Oxford, Ohio 45056

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Subject: Re: dead letter
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On 1 Apr 1996, Lea wrote:

> > Set on the ``Quell-dead-letter-on-cancel'' in Setup Config screen ...
> Wonderful - works like a charm! Thanks!

Think carefully. What if you are in the middle of a long composition
discussing Cyrillic character sets or the Cyrus mailer, and your finger
doesn't quite hit the SHIFT key, but instead the CTRL key right next to
it? Cyrillic becomes ^C-y...

This unlikely circumstance actually happened to me when I was
pre-release testing 3.92, and before I knew it, a lot of typing I had done
was suddenly no longer on the screen. You guessed it, dead.letter saved
the day, and I was heaping praise on the Pine team for this feature.

As far as I know, this file is not appended to, but overwritten for
each message you cancel, so it does not continuously increase in size. If
you will never cancel a message you really didn't want to, then you can
disable this feature, but the small amount of space it takes up has proved
well worth it for me, whose fingers type well faster than my brain thinks.

(As an aside, the only other message I lost from typing without
thinking [which usually results in messages being created needlessly] is
when I accidentally hit ^C to send, which happened to be next to the ^X on
this keyboard which is what I meant to type, and then answered ``Y'' to
the question. I learned quickly that Pine presents you with conservative
defaults -- that the default is Yes to send, but No to cancel, so if I
were to again try to ^Csend a message and hit RETURN to select the
default, I'll be spared from my own stupidity, though the recipient of the
message won't be. The moral is, learn which defaults you like, and use
those as defaults, and you'll be less likely to make a mistake you can't
recover from.)

Barry Bouwsma <[email protected]>
Radio Prahack-hack-ack-cough-wheeze-ack-gack-arrgh-thud

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In pine 3.92 I can get a list of all news groups with "string" in the name
by typing `A' followed by `string'. It would be nice if I could then
select a group and immediately go to it. Instead I need to go back to my
folder list and then do a `W' followed by `fragment of news group name
that will most likely match this group' and then press Enter. Am I
missing something? Is there already a way to go to the group from the
subscribe page?

Thanks,
Nancy

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hi
I have downloaded pine 3.92 , I was wonderiong how I could replace the
old verion??? any idea?

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On Mon, 01 Apr 1996 18:05:41 -0600, "Gregory J. Hickel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am having difficulty with Unix Pine 3.92 now that I have converted to
>Windows 95. When I attempt to print a message from my unix window it
>looks like it is going to print but nothing ever comes out. This
>problem has just appeared since I converted to Win95. Any
>Suggestions??? Please e-mail responses.

This is a function of the telnet client that you use on the
Windows 95 computer to connect with the Unix box that you use
Pine 3.92 on. Have you changed telnet clients, or the
configuration of your telnet client?

Ashok
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Ashok Aiyar
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From: [email protected] (Ken Weaverling)
Subject: Fix for DG/UX "Resource unavailable" bug in 3.92
Date: 2 Apr 1996 17:37:53 -0500
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The new rev of Pine doesn't work on m88k implementations of DG/UX when
accessing remote folders or remote news. The problem is in new code
to allow a timeout value for tcp open functions in tcp_unix.c in the
c-client directory.

The problem is really with DG/UX and its bogus attempt to remain
compatible with past brokeness. From the man page for select()....

EAGAIN The socket is non-blocking and the connection cannot
be completed immediately. This errno is returned on
the 88K platform only, other platforms return
EINPROGRESS.

EINPROGRESS The socket is non-blocking and the connection cannot
be completed immediately. The 88K platform returns
EAGAIN instead of EINPROGRESS. EINPROGRESS is the BSD
de-facto standard errno. EAGAIN is maintined on the
88K platform for application backward compability.

The problem at about line 180 in tcp_unix.c is that it is looping on a
non-blocking call to connect() and failing because DG/UX is returning
EAGAIN instead of EINPROGRESS. The error message for EAGAIN translates
to "Resource temporarily unavailable". The fix is to add a case statement
for EAGAIN to the code. For example, in tcp_unix.c at line 180:

while ((i = connect (sock,(struct sockaddr *) &sin,sizeof (sin))) < 0 &&
errno == EINTR);
if (i < 0) switch (errno) { /* failed? */
case EINPROGRESS:
case EAGAIN: /* For DG/UX brain dead behavior */
case EISCONN:
case EADDRINUSE:
break; /* well, not really, it was interrupted */
default:
sprintf (tmp,"Can't connect to %.80s,%d: %s",hostname,port,
strerror (errno));
mm_log (tmp,ERROR);
close (sock); /* flush socket */
return NIL;
}

In addition to the above change, some changes are needed for compiling on
DG/UX 4.11 since DG fixed some other braindead stuff in this release.
Specifically, you no longer need a portable_utime, crypt now has a
prototype and setpgrp has a version compatible with the rest of the world
but now is called setpgrp2....

I'm also seeing annoying messages about "New mailbox modification time but
apparently no changes". I have a feeling this has to do with utime
hyper-resolution. It's just annoying but I'll look at that later...

- - - - - - -

The below os_d-g.c will work with 4.11. If you don't have 4.11, don't
use it... you'll break the current os_d-g.c .... sigh....

#include "tcp_unix.h" /* must be before osdep includes tcp.h */
#include "mail.h"
#include "osdep.h"
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/time.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
#include <arpa/inet.h>
#include <netdb.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <errno.h>
extern int errno; /* just in case */
#include <pwd.h>
#include <utime.h>
#include "misc.h"
#define setpgrp setpgrp2
#include "fs_unix.c"
#include "ftl_unix.c"
#include "nl_unix.c"
#include "env_unix.c"
#include "tcp_unix.c"
#include "log_std.c"
#include "gr_waitp.c"
#include "tz_sv4.c"

--
Ken Weaverling, Delaware Tech [email protected] (WHOIS: KJW)
finger me for PGP and home page info.

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Further to my earlier message.

If I delete a folder eg. drafts and then write to it ie postpone a message
in this case, everything goes well and the file is recreated in the
correct area $HOME/mail/drafts. Compose however does not find the drafts
folder and a further postpone cycles me through the not found, create,
already exists routine.

Any one have any thoughts yet?

Clifford W Fulford
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ISS-UNIX development
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I ask these questions, I might as well answer them.

I have found a solution.

If instead of

LABEL {<hostname>[.<domain>]}mail/[]

I enter

LABEL {}mail/[]

It works. Is this a bug or is this predictable behavior that I should have
known about? Mark? David?

Clifford

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From: "D. Makihara" <[email protected]>
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Last week I received a message that was sent out on Mar 1st and resent on
Mar 7th. The messages arrived in my e-mail box 3 weeks after they were
originally sent. I'm not sure why it took this long for the message to
arrive. Is it a problem with the e-mail on this side or at ibm.net?

All other e-mail has seemed to arrive promptly soon after it has been
sent.

The following is a portion of the message that was sent to me.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:14:21 -0800
From: Dan Bisalputra <[email protected]>
To: 'David Makihara' <[email protected]>
Subject: FW: Update

Here it is again. Hope it gets through this time...

----------
From: Dan Bisalputra
Sent: Friday, March 01, 1996 10:24 PM
To: 'D. Makihara'
Cc: Neil Messmer; Shun Lee; Steven Chiu
Subject: RE: Update

It's Friday and I'm at home, so I cannot answer all your questions now, but
I'll do my best and get back to you on Monday.