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hello everyone!
Just switched from elm to pine because of its mime capabilities I encountered
a problem with netscape. I configured netscape to use the pine mailcaps file
but netscape geves me the following error message:
Ignoring unsupported format code in mailcap file: %{

and this five times. Has anyone a solution?

Best regards

Andreas
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From: [email protected] (Steve Frampton)
Subject: Question in Pine.
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 04:54:49 GMT
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Hello:

I am posting this message on behalf of a friend.  Please reply directly
to him at [email protected] (the default if you "reply" to this
message).

He was wondering if there was any way to request receipt notification
and/or read notification when sending a mail message using Pine.  I have
looked on my Pine but wasn't able to figure out how to do so (it doesn't
seem to be in the rich headers).

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


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James Poulakos ([email protected]) wrote:
% I must have accidentally typed control Z or control S. My pine program is
% "stopped," according to the output of the ps command in UNIX, but I was
% in the middle of a huge letter!

% When I restart pine, I get a new process that is readonly. How can I resume
% or restart the old process and get my letter back on the screen? I can't
% find this in the docs or the newsgroup....


Don't you hate when that happens?  The first time that happened to me I
had to kill the process.  I have since figured out how to get back in.
When you type ctrl-Z it prints a message telling you how to get back in.
Stopped. Type 'fg' to restart PINE.  Try it and see if it works for you

Later,


Doug
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Subject: IMAP and Timeout
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Is there an Timeout interval set for IMAP?

If you are trying to retrieve mail from another system via IMAP, and if
the system is either down or network not responding then you are hosed.
Pine will keep on trying to make an IMAP connection and goes into an
endless loop. Shouldn't 1 min. or so be set as Timeout period for this?


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H. Cheung ([email protected]) wrote:
: Well, seems like whenever you have a non-letter character, PINE will put
: the whole thing in quotes, and that's why you got the quotes ...

Yup, that's it all right, thanks for the advice!!!
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From: job@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Jockel Both)
Subject: automatic bouncing with pine?
Date: 22 Jun 1995 09:50:15 GMT
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Hello,

is there anybody who knows about the possibility of automatic
mail bouncing, may be triggered by a special dot-file.

an example should explain what I mean:

if someone is on vacation and leaves his machine running, the mailer
should be able to send the mails back to the sender with a short reply why
the mail was sent back. I know that this is possible on sgi's, but I
don't know how to enable this behaviour.

So while I'm writing, I am not very shure, if this question belongs realy
into the pine group. But perhaps somebody of you know an answer.
thanks

btw: I'm working on a Linux box...
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From: [email protected] (Shane DeRidder)
Subject: Re: Anonymous/Name changes
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On 28 Jun 1995, movable articles wrote:

# John Marken ([email protected]) wrote:
# : How would you change your name that is shown in the newsgroups. Do you do
# : it through Pine?
#
# I asked the same question of my server, InterAccess in Illinois, and was
# told that they had to do it.  It took them less than ten minutes and I
# was up and running with a new name.  Some Windows based programs have
# their own profile files so you still have to make changes in them, if you
# use any.

You can do it in your .pinerc by changing the personal-name= field to
whatever name you wish to use.

Shane-

btw, i'm a former Interaccess user, and have used it there as
well...they don't have to do a thing.

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[email protected] (Shane DeRidder) writes:
>You can do it in your .pinerc by changing the personal-name= field to
>whatever name you wish to use.

On many systems, you can change it by using the `chfn' command.
This will change your full name in /etc/passwd, in your finger
info, and in lots of apps, including Pine.

 -nancy



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From: Guy Schlosser <[email protected]>
Subject: pcpine for DOS
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 00:09:41 -0400 (EDT)
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I'm having a major problem.  I'm trying to install PcPine version 3.91
for DOS and with a SLIP connection to an internet provider which is
called Cris (concentric research information service).  The problem
exists when I go to specify my inbox path.  Cris uses a pop3 mail server,
so I specify my path like this:  {pop3.cris.com}inbox.  When I do this,
the system comes back and says Host not found.  I know the domain name
server is specified and works properly, because I have no problem with
any of my other slip programs.  At the end of this post, I will include
the text in my wattcp.cfg file so whoever reads this can confirm that I'm
set up properly.  Is there a difference between a pop3 and imap server?
If so, what do I need to do to set up pine since I don't know the imap
address or if we have one for that matter?  Anyone's help would be welcome.
Thanks in advance


Guy
P.S. Here's the text of my wattcp.cfg file.
my_ip=192.0.2.1
gateway=199.3.12.1
netmask=255.255.255.0
nameserver=199.3.12.2
nameserver=199.3.12.3
domainslist="cris.com"


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From: [email protected] (Lucio Chiappetti)
Subject: Re: How to resume a stopped pine process?
Date: 2 Jul 1995 09:35:15 -0500
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In article <[email protected]>, Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]> write:
|> On 30 Jun 1995, James Poulakos wrote:
|> > I must have accidentally typed control Z or control S. My pine program is
|> > "stopped," according to the output of the ps command in UNIX, but I was
|> > in the middle of a huge letter!
|> >
|>     From the prompt, type "fg" (no quotation marks) to put the stopped
|> process, in this case Pine, back in the "foreground."  I actually use
|> this feeature frequently and deliberately when I want to exit momentarily

  If you can't do the above (as it happens to me because I run pine
  in a separate window with no shell in it), or anyhow, you can
  do the following from another window :

    kill -CONT pinepid

  where you get pinepid from ps. This sends a "continue" signal and
  is equivalent to the "fg" command (also is not confused by other
  jobs running if any)


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From: Roger Dietz <[email protected]>
Subject: PGP with Pine?
Date: 2 Jul 1995 17:01:41 GMT
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Does anyone know of a way to add PGP as a feature to Pine so you don't
have to edit your email off line then reading them into Pine?  I looked
through the pinerc file and the on-line docs and didn't find any help.
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hello! I am a medical doctor from turkey and looking for someone who may
help me to understand how to reach the medline (medical network) of
Washington University or any other one via internet system




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From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: E-mail client dos and don'ts
Date: 2 Jul 1995 22:37:28 GMT
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[email protected] (John M. Wobus) writes:
>I've decided to try building a little matrix showing which of the
>well-known e-mail packages support which Internet protocols.  I think
>posting such a matrix around the net every once and a while would be
>fun.  Any info would be appreciated.

This is a great idea.  I agree with the poster who suggested that you
include other protocols such as IMSP, X.500, Kerberos, and NNTP.  Here's
some info about PC Pine for DOS, Windows, and Unix.  I'm also sending
this to comp.mail.pine so folks over there can add other Pine info.
It would be great if you put this on the net somewhere (http or ftp)
so I can add it to my Web pages.


>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Matrix of Popular Mail Systems w/ Internet-oriented features
>
>
>                   POP2        POP3       IMAP2     IMAP4     MIME
>------------------------------------------------------------------
 PC Pine for DOS      no         no          yes   not yet      yes
 PC Pine for Windows  no         no          yes   not yet      yes
 Unix Pine            no         no          yes   not yet      yes


Does anyone know if Pine has plans to support POP in the future?

Thanks,
Nancy


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subscribe pine-info David Luckett



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From: [email protected] (DANIEL PRINCE)
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Date: 2 Jul 1995 03:03:50 GMT
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I like to compose some messages ofline and then do an ASCII upload of
them.  When I do this in Pine (and Pico) it justifies all my paragraphs
together.  Is there any way I can stop it from doing this?  It takes a
lot of time to go in and separate my paragraphs and it shouldn't be
necessary.

Also is there a way to tell Pine that the delete key is not the same as
the backspace key.  In all my other programs the delete key deletes the
character under the cursor.  In Pine (and Pico) it does the same thing as
the backspace key and I keep deleting the wrong character.


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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 21:26:29 EDT
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#  >                   POP2        POP3       IMAP2     IMAP4     MIME
#  >------------------------------------------------------------------
#   PC Pine for DOS      no         no          yes   not yet      yes
#   PC Pine for Windows  no         no          yes   not yet      yes
#   Unix Pine            no         no          yes   not yet      yes
#
# Does anyone know if Pine has plans to support POP in the future?
#
I don't know the DOS/Windows versions, but, Unix version of pine
already supports POP3 although 3.91 distribution has a bug there
which renders it useless. I think, you have to take the last IMAP
distribution from pine.cac.washington.edu and replace the one that
comes with the pine distribution with it.

Selcuk

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Selcuk Ozturk
Economics Department               e-mail: [email protected]
University Of Pittsburgh           http://ftp.econ.pitt.edu/selcuk


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From: [email protected] (David Pierce)
Subject: NEED SEVERAL QUESTIONS ANSWERED
Date: 2 Jul 1995 20:32:54 GMT
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Hi everyone, my name is Dave first of all.  Our server uses PINE as an
email program, and I have a few questions about it.  If anyone can answer
any of these questions, email me directly.  Please don't post the answers
here! (unless you send them to me also)

First, how does one attach files to email?

How does one get an attached file to one's own computer?

How do I download messages to my own computer?

If anyone can help me out, I would appreciate it greatly! :)

Dave

:)



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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 19:32:01 GMT
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I have written some guides to pine.  Look at:

http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/creations

or

ftp://ftp.east-slc.edu/calfeld


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From: [email protected] (Joshua_Putnam)
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Date: 3 Jul 1995 07:19:58 GMT
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Joan Korenman) writes:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq <[email protected]> wrote:

>> ... it really doesn't make much sense to have superflous
>>'Reply-to:' identical to the 'From:' address...

>need are 50 "please send me your file" messages).  If in fact Pine doesn't
>permit the Reply-to address to be the same as the From address, I think
>that's an error that should be corrected in the next version.  (This may

Having Reply-To: be the same as From: is hardly superfluous or
unusual, but I haven't had any problem doing it, either.  Is the
comparison case-sensitive?  I capitalize my site name in my
reply-to:, so maybe that confuses the checking routine and lets
me put the header the way it belongs?

Now if only I could get a Return-Receipt-To: header to show up in
my default headers, with no value, so that I could add one when I
wanted to see where some peice of mail is going astray!

--

[email protected]  is  Joshua Putnam/P.O. Box 13220/Burton, WA 98013
                  "My other bike is a car."


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(Sorry if this is in the FAQ, but I didn't find an answer there.)

Is there a good way to get pine to let me sometimes add a
Return-Receipt-To: header to mail?  I don't want it on there all
the time, so I can't put it in as a customized header.  If I put
it on my standard headers list, with no value set, it doesn't
show up to be edited.  How can I simply edit the headers
directly, like I can in elm or nn or most other apps I use?
--

[email protected]  is  Joshua Putnam/P.O. Box 13220/Burton, WA 98013
                  "My other bike is a car."


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From: [email protected] (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Forward & .signature location?
Date: 3 Jul 1995 07:34:14 GMT
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I'm a long-time news and email user recently forced to use pine
on one site instead of more traditional mailers like Mail and
elm.  Some of pine's idiosyncacracies are really getting on my
nerves.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

In every standard mail application I've ever used, forwarding a
piece of mail gives me the original mail as included text, with
my .signature on the bottom, where it belongs.  News readers
mostly work the same way, too.  With pine, I can't figure out how
to do this: it keeps wanting to put my .signature *before* the
forwarded text, which is obviously wrong and can occasionally
cause problems, e.g. when my sig-dashes trigger a long-.sig
filter and most of the message is cut off as being an
excessively-long .signature file.

Is it possible to configure pine to forward mail normally?

While I'm at it, is it possible to have pine insert my sig-dashes
so I don't have to have one .sig file for pine and another one
for the rest of the applications in the world?  (Other apps have
this as a configurable option, but the defualt is usually for the
mailer/newsreader to insert the dashes above the contents of the
signature file.  Now I have to have a .signature for normal apps
and a .sig-with-dashes for pine.)

--

[email protected]  is  Joshua Putnam/P.O. Box 13220/Burton, WA 98013
                  "My other bike is a car."


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From: [email protected] (Paul DuBois)
Subject: Compiling 3.91 under Solaris 2.4
Date: 3 Jul 1995 02:46:06 -0500
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There've been a couple of request about how to compile pine 3.91 under
Solaris 2.4.  I just tried it, since I'm upgrading a SPARC II from
SunOS 4.1.1B (yes, you read that right).

I didn't use gcc, I used Sun's compiler.  Given that, only minor changes
are necessary to make the distribution compile:

In the pine directory, add -DANSI to CFLAGS in makefile.sol:

*** makefile.sol.orig   Wed Oct  5 01:14:50 1994
--- makefile.sol        Mon Jul  3 02:17:06 1995
***************
*** 70,74 ****

 # Use these for the Solaris C compiler
! CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\"
 # LDCC= /usr/bin/cc
 # If you don't have /usr/bin/cc (our Solaris 2.2 doesn't seem to have it,
--- 70,74 ----

 # Use these for the Solaris C compiler
! CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -DANSI
 # LDCC= /usr/bin/cc
 # If you don't have /usr/bin/cc (our Solaris 2.2 doesn't seem to have it,

In pine/osdep, diddle a couple #defines in os-sv4.h:

*** os-sv4.h.orig       Mon Oct 10 17:30:01 1994
--- os-sv4.h    Mon Jul  3 02:22:18 1995
***************
*** 186,192 ****

 /*----------------- Are we ANSI? ---------------------------------------*/
! /* #define ANSI          /* this is an ANSI compiler */

! #define       const           /* compiler doesn't support const */

 /*------ If our compiler doesn't understand type void ------------------*/
--- 186,192 ----

 /*----------------- Are we ANSI? ---------------------------------------*/
! #define ANSI          /* this is an ANSI compiler */

! /* #define    const           /* compiler doesn't support const */

 /*------ If our compiler doesn't understand type void ------------------*/


I still got a zillion compiler warnings, but "build sol" at least generated
runnable executables, and they seem to work.  (pico and pine, at least,
I didn't try anything else.)

Hope this helps someone.
--
Paul DuBois
[email protected]
http://www.primate.wisc.edu/homepage/dubois


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Subject: Re: loooong address headers
Date: 3 Jul 1995 09:53:34 GMT
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Jackie  Robbins <[email protected]> writes:
�Had a student ask me a question on pine today.  The secretary of a
�student activity group sends meeting notices with Pine 3.91.  She uses
�the address book feature to define a group with the addresses
�of 200+ members.  What she would like to know is if there is anyway to
�suppress the printing of all 200+ address in the header of the mail
�message.  A receiver of the message may have to scroll thru 200 lines of
�mail addresses just to read a one line message, "meeting at 8".  I'm
�cross-posting to comp.mail.sendmail since this may be a sendmail issue.
�(We are running sendmail version 5.64 which came with our RS/6000.)

She can ask her Postmaster to add
       that list of 200+ address to sendmail's aliases database
       (to as on alias).

Her Postmaster can put this alias to include addresses from file
in her home directory. In that way she don't need Postmaster's help
when that address list changes.


(I'm assuming that her Postmaster knows hwat to do.)

[ Comment cc'ed to questioner. ]


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help


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From: [email protected] (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Forward & .signature location?
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In <[email protected]> Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]> writes:

>    My remarks apply to Pine 3.91.

>> In every standard mail application I've ever used, forwarding a
>> piece of mail gives me the original mail as included text, with
>> my .signature on the bottom, where it belongs.  [...]
>>
>> Is it possible to configure pine to forward mail normally?

>    In this case, what is "normal" is a matter of interpretation, as Pine
>allows you to do it both ways.  From the Main Menu, go into Setup and
>then Config.  Scroll down some, and check the box "signature-at-bottom."

I'm using 3.91, and checking the signature-at-bottom option does
not put my .signature below forwarded mail.  The .signature still
appears before the forwarded mail.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Does anyone know why pine defaults to this odd configuration in
the first place, instead of putting my .signature at the bottom
of my mail?


--

[email protected]  is  Joshua Putnam/P.O. Box 13220/Burton, WA 98013
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Joshua_Putnam) writes:

>In <[email protected]> Paul O Bartlett <[email protected]> writes:

>>    My remarks apply to Pine 3.91.

>>> In every standard mail application I've ever used, forwarding a
>>> piece of mail gives me the original mail as included text, with
>>> my .signature on the bottom, where it belongs.  [...]

>>    In this case, what is "normal" is a matter of interpretation, as Pine
>>allows you to do it both ways.  From the Main Menu, go into Setup and
>>then Config.  Scroll down some, and check the box "signature-at-bottom."

>I'm using 3.91, and checking the signature-at-bottom option does
>not put my .signature below forwarded mail.  The .signature still
>appears before the forwarded mail.

An emailed response gives me one workaround: pine will format the
forwarded mail properly if I use Reply then change the To: header
after I'm done editing the message.  Not elegant, but at least it
works.

Still hoping this is a configurable option.....

--

[email protected]  is  Joshua Putnam/P.O. Box 13220/Burton, WA 98013
                  "My other bike is a car."


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   My remarks apply to Pine 3.91.

On 3 Jul 1995, Joshua_Putnam wrote (excerpted):

> In every standard mail application I've ever used, forwarding a
> piece of mail gives me the original mail as included text, with
> my .signature on the bottom, where it belongs.  [...]
>
> Is it possible to configure pine to forward mail normally?

   In this case, what is "normal" is a matter of interpretation, as Pine
allows you to do it both ways.  From the Main Menu, go into Setup and
then Config.  Scroll down some, and check the box "signature-at-bottom."


> While I'm at it, is it possible to have pine insert my sig-dashes
> so I don't have to have one .sig file for pine and another one
> for the rest of the applications in the world?   [...]

   This I doubt.  I, for one, would not want it.

   As a general remark, I doubt that Pine is all things to all people,
or even intended to be.  It suits my needs just fine, particularly
because it does have a fairly generous selection of "power user" features
(such as using a different editor) which one may turn on or off at will.
I've been using Pine 3.91 under Unix daily for about six months now, and
every now and then I still discover a new capability.  When I first
started using it, I thought it was kind of boneheaded, but I have found
I can do a lot more with it than I originally thought, epsecially because
there are some interfaces one can exploit, particularly under Unix.

Paul
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On 3 Jul 1995, Joshua_Putnam wrote (excerpted):

> Now if only I could get a Return-Receipt-To: header to show up in
> my default headers, with no value, so that I could add one when I
> wanted to see where some peice of mail is going astray!

   Have you tried actually putting in a customized header
(Return-Receipt-To:) with no value?  I haven't needed to do so myself,
but I would think it should work, at least in Pine 3.91.  Normally, if
there is no value assigned to the header, Pine would ignore it for
outgoing mail and news.  When you want to include it, just go into the
header, press Ctrl-R for Rich Headers, and put in the address before
you send.

Paul
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[email protected] (Joshua_Putnam) writes:
>Now if only I could get a Return-Receipt-To: header to show up in
>my default headers, with no value, so that I could add one when I
>wanted to see where some peice of mail is going astray!

Try editing your default-composer-hdrs variable.

 -Nancy


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On 2 Jul 1995, DANIEL PRINCE wrote:

> I like to compose some messages ofline and then do an ASCII upload of
> them.  When I do this in Pine (and Pico) it justifies all my paragraphs
> together.  Is there any way I can stop it from doing this?  It takes a
> lot of time to go in and separate my paragraphs and it shouldn't be
> necessary.

It would help to know what platform Pine is running on (UNIX? DOS?) and
how you're accessing it (dial-up?), but I'll guess it's on a UNIX box and
you're accessing it by dialing into a shell account.

I do ASCII uploads into Pine fairly often and don't have that problem.
I suspect it is your telecomm software, not Pine, that is to blame.  Some
telecomm software ignores lines containing only a CR during an ASCII
dump.  In some telecomm software this is configurable, so check that
first.

If that doesn't work, the trick is to make your "blank" lines actually
non-blank.  Put a space character or two on each blank line.  This will
still appear to be a blank line to the reader, but your computer will
treat it as a non-blank line.  Most telecomm software will send such
lines unmodified.  If that doesn't work, then put an unobtrusive character
(like a period) on each "blank" line.

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On 2 Jul 1995, Nancy McGough wrote:
>  >-----------------------------------------------------------------
>  >Matrix of Popular Mail Systems w/ Internet-oriented features
>  >
>  >
>  >                   POP2        POP3       IMAP2     IMAP4     MIME
>  >------------------------------------------------------------------
>   PC Pine for DOS      no         no          yes   not yet      yes
>   PC Pine for Windows  no         no          yes   not yet      yes
>   Unix Pine            no         no          yes   not yet      yes
>
>
> Does anyone know if Pine has plans to support POP in the future?

POP3 support (using it as if it was IMAP) is in 3.91, but has known bugs
which make it less than completely useful.  This bug is fixed in the IMAP
3.6 toolkit which is used in 3.92.  This POP3 support is not turned on for
DOS.

For 3.92 (not yet released), and for 3.91 if you substitute the IMAP 3.6
toolkit, the matrix is:

                  POP2        POP3       IMAP2     IMAP4     MIME
------------------------------------------------------------------
PC Pine for DOS      no         not yet     yes   not yet      yes
PC Pine for Windows  no         not yet     yes   not yet      yes
Unix Pine            no         yes         yes   not yet      yes

Versions after 3.92 are expected to use the IMAP 4.0 toolkit, which has
POP3 code that works on DOS.  For these versions, the matrix will be:

                  POP2        POP3       IMAP2     IMAP4     MIME
------------------------------------------------------------------
PC Pine for DOS      no         yes         yes       yes      yes
PC Pine for Windows  no         yes         yes       yes      yes
Unix Pine            no         yes         yes       yes      yes

I can not speculate at the present time when we will have "native" POP3
support (that is, using POP3 as an offline client rather than as a
dysfunctional IMAP), but this is expected to be sooner rather than later.

It would be fairly simple to add POP2 support, but nobody has asked for it
and the concensus in the POP community is that POP2 is dead.

-- Mark --

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From: Aladdin Khamis <[email protected]>
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Subject: A mysterious problem with PINE 3.91 !!!!
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I have this mysterious problem with PINE 3.91, I am the system
administrator at my company, and some times when I am checking the system
processes I find some running with no NAME, I go to the owner of the
process to check it up I find out he is running PINE !!
What should I do about that ?




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From: [email protected] (Simone Shoemaker)
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I finally got myself a signature file edited, and when I send mail to
someone, it also appends correctly. But it never shows up when I post
something in a newsgroup.

What would I have to do, to have the signature appended when I post articles?

Please e-mail, if you can help.
Also, please explain in very simple terms. I'm not particularily computer
literate.

Thanks!!

Simone


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While attempting to delete old messages from inbox...an access mailbox
violation error is flashed accross the screen.  After I exit pine and
execute the program again, I find that the amount of messages I intended
to delete duplicate themselve...so of like critters...has anybody
encounter this problem.  This has been an intermittent problem, hard to
trace.  We have two servers running linux.  Our mail server takes care
of all inbox/incomming mail...our second server allows users to log in
and access their nfs'ed mailbox...any ideas...Thanks.


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From: [email protected] (Alessandro Miotto)
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I have been reported a couple of problems by pine users on AIX 3.2
(we are using several different architectures at this site and this
looks specific to the AIX version).
I have no core or pine-debug information yet so I would like to understand
whether similar behaviours are already known before investigating further.

Both problems seem to be related with pico, as they happened when composing
a message:
- A pine with no terminal attached (!) was found consuming all available CPU.
 The stack trace was inside pico.
- In another session pico kept pasting the same buffer over and over until
 it was killed by hand. The text was saved into the postponed messages
 folder, and when restarted pine asked whether the user wanted to resume
 composition. After typing "yes" the program crashed.

       Alessandro

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Greetings: Has any one any experience with using fax software like
'visifax' and Pine. I would like to hear from anyone who uses fax
software and if they somehow integrate it with pine or just run the fax
software standalone.

Thanks
Jim



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Does anyone know if there is a French version of pine? And if so where
would one get its source?

Rick Berger



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From: [email protected] (Miracle Man)
Subject: Mouse in PC-Pine 3.91
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Anyone ever notice that in PCPine for Windows, you can select messages
from the index listing with the mouse, but you can't select folders from
the folder list?
Also, is there anyway to keep addressbooks and signatures on the UNIX
host?  Everything else seems to be able to, but not those (this causes
some headaches for users migrating to PCPine).



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I mail from have several accounts, but I want all the replies to come to the
same account.

I can change the domain name, but I can't figure out how to change the
username.

Thanks,
Paul.



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I heard that pine 3.91 works with POP?  Is that true?

If so, how do I set it up?

Thanks,
Paul Dowman.



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Has anyone ever noticed that some email has a blinking Subject line.
What I want to know is can this be done using pine?  I've used pico to
edit several files that have blinking subject lines and as of yet can't
understand how they do it.

Thanks for any help or replies in advance.

WC






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From: [email protected] (Lois Patterson)
Subject: Directing Incoming Mail and Stripping Headers
Date: 4 Jul 1995 21:02:23 -0700
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I have a feeling that my questions are probably fairly elementary, but I
would really appreciate any help.

1)  Is it possible to direct mail from a single address (a list, say from
abc@host) into its own folder without it getting into my inbox?

2) Is there a way I can make a batch file to strip all the headers from
the messages that are in this folder?


Thank you for your help.

Lois Patterson
[email protected]


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On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Owlman wrote:

> Has anyone ever noticed that some email has a blinking Subject line.
> What I want to know is can this be done using pine?  I've used pico to
> edit several files that have blinking subject lines and as of yet can't
> understand how they do it.

   However it's done -- and I am not sure myself -- I would recommend
against it.  This much I am aware of, "control" bytes are embedded in
the text of the subject line which are not part of the printable 7-bit
US-ASCII character set.  On some users' terminals/PCs/whatever, these
bytes cause the blinking effect.  For other users, they can just cause
trouble.  Were I one of the latter users, I would be upset.  It may look
cute -- unless you are one of the recipients whose display goes cuckoo.

Paul
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From: [email protected] (Christine Mackley)
Subject: Can I forward my newsgroups from one acct to another?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 23:23:31 GMT
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Hi

I have a new slip account and I want to know if I can forward a few
newsgroups that I can't get in my new account?  I all ready made a
forward file and it forwards my email bot now the newsgroup mail.

HELP!

Thanks in idvance,
Christine

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From [email protected]  Wed Jul  5 01:07:14 1995
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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
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Inflicting blinking text on unsuspecting recipients is a cruel and
unusual punishment.  It is not a practice that should be encouraged.
Also, the method of doing it is fairly terminal type specific, and what
works on one can cause problems on another.

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Owlman wrote:

> Has anyone ever noticed that some email has a blinking Subject line.
> What I want to know is can this be done using pine?  I've used pico to
> edit several files that have blinking subject lines and as of yet can't
> understand how they do it.
>
> Thanks for any help or replies in advance.
>
> WC


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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
X-Sender: [email protected]
To: Christine Mackley <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Can I forward my newsgroups from one acct to another?
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Whilst Pine allows you to read and send e-mail and Usenet News messages
in very similar ways, the underlying delivery mechanisms are quite different.

E-mail arrives at your machine, and gets delivered into a file owned by
you, and for only you.  Once messages have arrived they remain sitting in
this file on disk waiting for you to read them and deal with them.

Usenet News is quite a different kettle of fish.  Here articles are
delivered to a special machine running "news server" software.  They are
held in a *shared* directory area -- the same area is available to all
the users, rather then having separate personal copies for each user.

When somebody wants to read news Pine (or whatever other news reader you
are using) connects to the server and requests a copy of the article to
display.  This doesn't get saved to a file of your own on disk unless you
explicitly give a command to do so.

After a time the news server software "expires" old articles, deleting
them from its shared directory to make room for new material.

So whereas e-mail "comes to you", Usenet News is more of a "you go out
and get the article you want to read".  This means that whilst e-mail can
be redirected -- delivered to a different machine/username -- Usenet News
cannot.

You *might* be able to get around your problem by connecting to your
"old" news server computer (assuming you are still allowed access after
your move) to read News from.

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Christine Mackley wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a new slip account and I want to know if I can forward a few
> newsgroups that I can't get in my new account?  I all ready made a
> forward file and it forwards my email bot now the newsgroup mail.
>
> HELP!
>
> Thanks in idvance,
> Christine


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From: Lars Scheffmann <[email protected]>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 11:18:47 +0200
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On 4 Jul 1995, Paul Dowman wrote:

> I mail from have several accounts, but I want all the replies to come to the
> same account.
>
> I can change the domain name, but I can't figure out how to change the
> username.
>
Use the header field   Reply-to:  it is designed for this purpose.
Most mail clients take this field instead of the From:, when you issue a
reply.

..............................................................................
Lars Scheffmann      | DOU                  |  Mail:   [email protected] .
Netadministrator     | Niels Bohrs Alle 11  |  Phone:  +45 66130827 ext.247 .
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University of Odense | Denmark              |  Fax:    +45 66123366         .
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"Reply-to:" is not one of the "standard" headers in Pine (the four yet
normally see when composing a message.

Some additional ones can be seen and used by using the Ctrl/R (Rich
Header) command with the cursor on any of the header lines.  However,
again "Reply-to:" is not amongst these.

So what you need to do is add it as a "customised header".  You do this
(in Pine 3.91) by going to the Main Menu then typing S and C to get to the
Setup Configuration screen.

Next move down to the "customized-hdrs" variable (quite a way down) and
then type A (Add Value).  Now enter:

       Reply-to: [email protected]

and press Return to accept it.  (Obviously "[email protected]"
should really be the e-mail address you want replies to come back to!)

Now leave the Setup Configuration screen by typing E, which will return
you to the Main Menu.

Now try sending a message.  With the cursor up on a header line type
Ctrl/R to see all the headers and there should now be an extra one shown
as "Reply To:" with a default value of your e-mail address already filled
in (because you included it in the Setup Configuration screen).

Now send the message and try it out!

Note that this header gets added and set up even without having to do a
Ctrl/R.  You can just Compose a message and send it *without* having to
do the Ctrl/R -- all this does is *show* you the extra headers (and let
you change them if you wish).

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Lars Scheffmann wrote:

> On 4 Jul 1995, Paul Dowman wrote:
>
> > I mail from have several accounts, but I want all the replies to come to the
> > same account.
> >
> > I can change the domain name, but I can't figure out how to change the
> > username.
> >
> Use the header field   Reply-to:  it is designed for this purpose.
> Most mail clients take this field instead of the From:, when you issue a
> reply.
>
> ...............................................................................
> . Lars Scheffmann      | DOU                  |  Mail:   [email protected] .
> . Netadministrator     | Niels Bohrs Alle 11  |  Phone:  +45 66130827 ext.247 .
> . Postmaster           | 5230  Odense M       |  Direct: +45 65914700 + 247   .
> . University of Odense | Denmark              |  Fax:    +45 66123366         .
> ...............................................................................
>
>


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From: [email protected] (Terry Knab)
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Blue Falcon ([email protected]) wrote:
: Larry Miller [DT] ([email protected]) wrote:
: : ESPINOZA  JAIME C ([email protected]) wrote:

: : >   Quick question.. I just want to know the precise format
: : > to use in the .forward file for forwarding messages to another
: : > location. I know it is simply one line, but like most things..

: : make it the full email address of where you want your mail forwarded
VMS is screwey in its forwarding protocals.  Pine .forward doesn't work
on VMS...sorry...you gotta use VMS mail for that.

>From the VMS mail prompt, type:
set forward "<your protocal SMTP%, MX%, or IN%""address"""

: I need to forward my mail from a VMS machine.  I created the .forward
: file with the address I wanted my mail forwarded to in it, but it's not
: doing anything.  What should I be doing different?

:   ========================================================================
:   | J.L. Brown    | [email protected]  -  [email protected]   |
:   | Blue Falcon   | http://www.universe.digex.net/~jlbrown               |
:   | Virginia Tech | http://sfbox.vt.edu:10021/J/jbrown/WEB/index.html    |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Owlman wrote:
>
> > Has anyone ever noticed that some email has a blinking Subject line.
> > What I want to know is can this be done using pine?  I've used pico to
> > edit several files that have blinking subject lines and as of yet can't
> > understand how they do it.
>
>     However it's done -- and I am not sure myself -- I would recommend
> against it.  This much I am aware of, "control" bytes are embedded in
> the text of the subject line which are not part of the printable 7-bit
> US-ASCII character set.  On some users' terminals/PCs/whatever, these
> bytes cause the blinking effect.  For other users, they can just cause
> trouble.  Were I one of the latter users, I would be upset.  It may look
> cute -- unless you are one of the recipients whose display goes cuckoo.
>
> Paul

Thanks for the info Paul.  Now I know why it's not often you see these
post with blinking subjects.  I myself would be upset also if it locked
up my system everytime a post of that nature was sent. Just as I've
always said it pays to ask questions first before you venture out on you
own.

Thanks again.

Wm.


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>>>>> "E" == Edward M Greshko <[email protected]> writes:

   E>  However, if you'd like to hurry up the development I'm sure
   E> that the PineTeam would gladly accept a generous (read *large*)
   E> tax deductible donation to hire the necessary staff to make
   E> your wishes come true.

The Free Software Foundation not only accepts tax deductable
contributions (cash), but contributions of time.  In other words, you
can join the team.

What about UW?
 === Al


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>>>>> "B" == Blue Falcon <[email protected]> writes:

   B> I need help installing Pine on a DEC ALPHA machine.  It's a
   B> pretty ancient system that can't really do much of anything.
   B> Would appreciate any help on this.

DEC Alpha ancient?  Anyway, you didn't give any details.  Is it
running OpenVMS, or Digital Unix?  We have pine running on our system
just fine (Digital Unix).
 === Al


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We've added a (large) global addressbook to our system.  The result is
that pine creates a large (~ 1Mb) file in the /tmp directory (sample
name a3000559) for each user of pine.

Is there a way to have one such file for all users, instead of each
individtual user?  We're wasting lots of space.  The file doesn't
disappear either if a pine is exited abnormally wasting even more
space.
 === Al


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>>>>> "J" == John Marken <[email protected]> writes:

   J> How would you change your name that is shown in the
   J> newsgroups. Do you do it through Pine?

If you go into setup (from the main menu) and then choose "C" for
configuration, you'll find an entry for personal name.

I don't know if pine allows you to change your account name.
 === Al


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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Al Sparks) writes:
|>>>>>> "B" == Blue Falcon <[email protected]> writes:
|>
|>    B> I need help installing Pine on a DEC ALPHA machine.  It's a
|>    B> pretty ancient system that can't really do much of anything.
|>    B> Would appreciate any help on this.
|>
|>DEC Alpha ancient?  Anyway, you didn't give any details.  Is it
|>running OpenVMS, or Digital Unix?  We have pine running on our system
|>just fine (Digital Unix).
|>  === Al
|>

We have pine running on our Alpha/VMS system.
A group in Israel is working on the vms version. I've forgotten the
ftp address.

Klaus
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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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I think this is because although you have created the "address book" file
you either haven't created or updated the "lookup" support file.  This
lives in the same directory as the address book file, and has the same
name but with ".lu" appended.  (Try looking for .address* in your login
directory and you'll see what I mean.)

The look up file provides a sort of index into the address book file for
quick access.

Pine checks the modification times of address book and associated look up
files as it starts (or soon after, possibly when you start sending a
message).

If the look up file doesn't exist or is out of date it then tries to
create/update it automatically.  However if you don't have write access
to the directory/file, as is usually the case for a global address book,
it runs into problems.  So instead it makes a temporary version in the
/tmp directory which it then uses for that session.

The solution is for the maintainer of the global address book to update
the look up file after any change.  You can do this by logging into a
username with write access to the directory and file, and then:

       cd to the directory with the address book
       pine -create_lu addrbookname sort-order
       chmod go+r addrbookname.lu

where "sort-order" is one of "dont-sort", "nickname", "fullname",
"nickname-with-lists-last" or "fullname-with-lists-last" (the same sort
orders available in the Setup Configuration screen for your personal
address book).

REMEMBER to reset the protection of the new/modified look up file (the
"chmod" command above).  I *always* get caught by this; Pine always
(re)creates it with no access to "group" or "others",  so people can't
read it, so you *still* get the temporary versions being created in /tmp.

[I'll e-mail the Pine Team separately asking if they can reuse the
protection of any existing look up file when updating it in some future
version of Pine.]

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On 3 Jul 1995, Al Sparks wrote:

> We've added a (large) global addressbook to our system.  The result is
> that pine creates a large (~ 1Mb) file in the /tmp directory (sample
> name a3000559) for each user of pine.
>
> Is there a way to have one such file for all users, instead of each
> individtual user?  We're wasting lots of space.  The file doesn't
> disappear either if a pine is exited abnormally wasting even more
> space.
>   === Al
>


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On 4 Jul 1995, Lois Patterson wrote:

| I have a feeling that my questions are probably fairly elementary, but I
| would really appreciate any help.

   No way to find out but ask.  :-)

| 1)  Is it possible to direct mail from a single address (a list, say from
| abc@host) into its own folder without it getting into my inbox?

   Pine by itself does not do this.  You need mail filtering software
which preprocesses the mail before Pine gets hold of it.  On Un*x
systems, a common software package to do this is procmail.  Rather than
take up space here, email me if you are on a Un*x system, and I can
point you to some instructions about procmail.  It's pretty easy to do.
I am very glad the capability exists.

| 2) Is there a way I can make a batch file to strip all the headers from
| the messages that are in this folder?

   Maybe somebody will already have this one worked out and will be
willing to share.

Paul
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From: [email protected] (Kurt)
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[email protected] (Jim Chivas) wrote:

>Greetings: Has any one any experience with using fax software like
>'visifax' and Pine. I would like to hear from anyone who uses fax
>software and if they somehow integrate it with pine or just run the fax
>software standalone.

>Thanks
>Jim

Yeah, we use PINE & VSIFAX together....  I have had numerous problems
making Pine work, although most of the problems so far have been
system problems, and have mostly been corrected.  What kind of
problems are you having?

We are using an IBM RS/6000 with AIX UNIX 3.2.0.

Kurt Risser
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Hello,

I know that I can compose a letter from the command line using pine then
the address directly following it, but is there a way that I can use the
same quick compose method to post to a newsgroup?  My newsgroup header is
considered part of the customized-headers field and has to be invoked
using ^R everytime I want to post.  Is there a quicker way?

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From: Marc Andersen SFE <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Building PINE 3.91 on Solaris 2.4?
Date: 27 Jun 1995 09:42:37 GMT
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[email protected] (Johan Henselmans) wrote:
>I don't seem to get it to work with sol2.4.
Understandable, sorry I forgot to mention a change in another file.
Here it goes, hopefully more succesfull. Note that I am using gcc, 2.3.3, and
may have different organisation of include files that you have. Here is what I
did:

0) This works only for pine, a similar problem exist for imapd.

1) Used the build script
     build CC=gcc sol

2) Edited the file pine/makefile.sol around line 80, by adding -DANSI,
  so it looks like this:

  # Use these for the gcc compiler
  # Yep, marc
  CC=  gcc
  CFLAGS=      -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -DANSI

3) Changed around line 194 from

BAD:    /*----------------- Are we ANSI?----------------------------------*/
BAD:    /* #define ANSI          /* this is an ANSI compiler */
BAD:    #define const           /* compiler doesn't support const */

   to
/*----------------- Are we ANSI? ---------------------------------------*/
/* Changed ma, using gcc which is ansi and understand const */
/* #define ANSI          /* this is an ANSI compiler */

#ifndef ANSI
#define const           /* compiler doesn't support const */
#endif


4) In pine subdirectory
   make -f makefile.sol


If you want to track the error down, then try in the pine directory:

gcc -E -DSV4   -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\"  -c  addrbook.c | grep "rename("

This is the command issued from makefile.sol. The -E option sends the
preprocessor output to stdout, and grep rename searches for defintions of
rename.
Output is:

extern int      rename(const char *, const char *);
extern int rename(  char *,   char *);

Explaining
> /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/2.7.0/include/unistd.h:225:
> conflicting types for `rename'
> /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/2.7.0/include/stdio.h:153:
> previous declaration of `rename'

Marc Andersen
Department of Biostatistics, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
e-mail [email protected], phone +45 35 32 79 04, fax +45 35 32 79 07



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[email protected] (Alessandro Miotto) wrote:
>I have no core or pine-debug information yet so I would like to understand
>whether similar behaviours are already known before investigating further.

>- In another session pico kept pasting the same buffer over and over until
>  it was killed by hand. The text was saved into the postponed messages
>  folder, and when restarted pine asked whether the user wanted to resume
>  composition. After typing "yes" the program crashed.

>       Alessandro

I have had pine crash under AIX 3.2.0 when choosing C to compose a new
message, and also when choosing C to continue composing an interrupted
message.  When it crashes, it squirts reversed question marks and
other bizzarre characters onto the terminal, then hangs.  I have to
kill pine from another terminal...

Kurt Risser
Snider Bolt, Louisville, KY USA   502 968-2250



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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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On 3 Jul 1995, Al Sparks wrote:

> The Free Software Foundation not only accepts tax deductable
> contributions (cash), but contributions of time.  In other words, you
> can join the team.
>
> What about UW?

Al,
At the first hint of anyone sending us any cash, I'll be happy to inquire
about tax exemptions!

As for contributing time, there is obviously plenty still to do, but it
can get awkard to manage a software project with too many fingers in the
pie.  The key is to find tasks that can be done relatively independently.
For example, quite a few people have suggested having a mailbox driver
that compresses/uncompresses the folders.  This would be a completely
new and separate c-client driver, so it could be developed without any
coordination with/by the UW team... but so far there have only been
suggestors, no volunteers to implement.

Even if there were volunteers, there are quality control and completeness
issues as well.  Suppose, for example, someone contributed a compressing
folder driver.  But it only worked on Ultrix.  What should we do?  Include
it in the distribution, even though many people would be disappointed
and/or complain that it didn't work on their platform?  Or spend the time
to generalize it?  Or include it as contributed/unsupported?  Probably the
latter, until it became something that the folks who pay our bills cared
about, but my point is that even though there's lots of work to be done,
and *maybe* lots of willing hands, it's not always easy to put the two
together in a way that actually reduces the work for the core team.

Still, on the relatively rare occasions we have received bug fixes or
minor enhancements from folks, we've been very grateful to get them.

-teg



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On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Alberto Torraca wrote:

> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 08:19:24 -0400
> From: Alberto Torraca <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Pine access error
>
>
> While attempting to delete old messages from inbox...an access mailbox
> violation error is flashed accross the screen.  After I exit pine and
> execute the program again, I find that the amount of messages I intended
> to delete duplicate themselve...so of like critters...has anybody
> encounter this problem.  This has been an intermittent problem, hard to
> trace.  We have two servers running linux.  Our mail server takes care
> of all inbox/incomming mail...our second server allows users to log in
> and access their nfs'ed mailbox...any ideas...Thanks.
                  ^^^

That's a likely cause of problems.  I'm not sure about this specific one
offhand, but I would strongly suggest using IMAP rather that NFS to access
remote mailboxes, especially INBOX!

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email protected]  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA


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Please email dcrouch and tell him why you like pine, but dont include this
email address.

>From [email protected] Wed Jul  5 17:59:11 1995
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:23:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: donald crouch <[email protected]>
To: UMD Library Lab <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: elm vs pine

Thank you for the information.  We prefer elm in the CS Department.

d crouch

>
>
> Hello
>
> Concerning CS1010...
>
> As consultants, we have found that pine is easier to use than elm.  In
> addition, Pine is the officially supported IS email package.
>
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How can one forward mail using Pine if one does not have a shell account,
just menu access.  There is no way to do it through the menu options.
Can one hack into the Pine configuration to do this.

is there a way to get a .dot forward file into my account?

Would appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.


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Has anybody out there ever compiled pine on an Intergraph workstation
or server?

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[email protected] (Robert A. Pickering Jr.) writes:
>The best thing I've found for integrating PGP with Pine is mkpgp.
>
>It's available on the cyberpunks ftp site at berkeley.
>
>-Rob
>
>J.M. Ivler ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Is there a FAQ, or a URL, that explains how to integrate pine with pgp?
>
>: Thanks.
>
>: jmi
>: [email protected]
>
>--

Could you please, tell me how to reach this cyberpunks ftp site at berkeley.

I also need help about compiling pine in SCO UNIX 3.2v4.2, regarding libcrypt.a
Our system doesn't have libcrypt.a. How could we get one ?

Thanks & regards
Ferry Winarta



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I use pine with different .pinerc files using `pine -p pinerc.special'
and I'd like to be able to have some settings that I always use that
I set in one file, e.g., pinerc.generic, and other files where I
set different things differently depending on what I want to do,
e.g., pinerc.special1, pinerc.special2, etc.  Is there a way to
do this?

Thanks,
Nancy



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I have a couple accounts on one system and I'd like to be able
to access the mail folders in both these accounts using pine
running on one of the accounts.  When the folder is owned
by the userid that's running the pine process, there's no problem.
But if the folder is owned by another userid, pine is not able
to open the folder, even if it has the same group as the userid
running the process and has 660 permission, e.g.:

-rw-rw----  1 nancym  mcgough  blah blah blah    folder1
-rw-rw----  1 ii      mcgough  blah blah blah    folder2

I'm able to look at both folder1 and folder2 using less or more
but if I'm logged in as nancym and try to open folder2 using pine
I get this message:

       [Not a folder: folder2]

It would be great if the next release of pine would let me open
a folder like this, but if you don't allow that it would be good
to give a more informative error message, e.g. "Not owned by you."

Thanks,
Nancy




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[email protected] (DANIEL PRINCE) writes:

>I like to compose some messages ofline and then do an ASCII upload of
>them.  When I do this in Pine (and Pico) it justifies all my paragraphs
>together.  Is there any way I can stop it from doing this?  It takes a
>lot of time to go in and separate my paragraphs and it shouldn't be
>necessary.

>Also is there a way to tell Pine that the delete key is not the same as
>the backspace key.  In all my other programs the delete key deletes the
>character under the cursor.  In Pine (and Pico) it does the same thing as
>the backspace key and I keep deleting the wrong character.

Hmm not sure.  But I would almost bet you that if you use SHIFT-backspace
it will delete.

As to the justify problem:

This may not work depending on your setup.. but if we're talking
about UNIX, Upload your file to your directory (outside of pine)

Startup pine, When in the header's area hit ctrl-r, go to
the attachment's field.  Enter the filename and path you uploaded.
Bingo.

-McDaniel







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From: [email protected] (Dr. Ke CHEN)
Subject: Urgent: wanted help.
Date: 6 Jul 1995 09:41:58 GMT
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Hello:

I have just installed the Popclient. Unfortunately, I cannot use it.
As a result, I wonder if there is FAQ about the pop. If the answer is
negative, would you please answer the following urgent questions:

Q1: How to read an email in spool from the remote server using popclient?
Q2: How to read an email in a file(e.g. mbox) from the remote server using
   popclient?
Q3: How to use popclient to send an mail from the local machine but using
   the email account in the server? (E.g. I'm using the popclient in
   machine X and the server is machine Y. Whether or not do I use the
   popclient to send a mail with [email protected]?)

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

Ke Chen
[email protected]
~
P.S. Email response is prefered.
~
~



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From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
Subject: mail and news Web page
Date: 6 Jul 1995 10:49:42 GMT
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I'm in the process of updating my Mail and News Web page
and would appreciate feedback.  I've got links to Pine's
Web page, ftp directory, history page, and FAQ.  It's at:

 http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/mail+news.html

Please send me suggestions for improving it!

Thanks,
Nancy



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From: Jim Steffen <[email protected]>
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World-Wide Pine-Info,

I have been experiencing a problem with losing the SUBJECT info in my
SENTMAIL folder list and subsequent SAVES to other folders.  Any
ideas/suggestions how I can retain the SUBJECT description in SENTMAIL or is
this a bug in Pine?

================================================================================
Jim Steffen, Network Manager
Northern Kentucky University
[email protected]
================================================================================



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I am running AIX 1.3.1 on a PS/2 and would like to use pine.  Is there any way to set up pine for this system?





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From: Premnath Tirumalasetty <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
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Hi folks:

I think Pine has lot many features than ELM.  I use both PINE 3.91
and ELM.  PINE is more user-friendly compared to ELM.  One can view
all the commands on the menu in PINE. In ELM one needs to take help
from a help list.

But one good feature of ELM is that it works on VI editor.  So, most
of the VI commands can be used.

Thanks.

Premnath, T.



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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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To: Premnath Tirumalasetty <[email protected]>
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In Pine 3.91 you can set up an "alternate editor" (such as "vi") which you
can flip to (by typing Ctrl/_) whilst editing the message body.

In fact you can even set a feature variable so that your alternate editor
is invoked automatically as soon as you move the cursor down into the
message text area.

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Premnath Tirumalasetty wrote:

> Hi folks:
>
> I think Pine has lot many features than ELM.  I use both PINE 3.91
> and ELM.  PINE is more user-friendly compared to ELM.  One can view
> all the commands on the menu in PINE. In ELM one needs to take help
> from a help list.
>
> But one good feature of ELM is that it works on VI editor.  So, most
> of the VI commands can be used.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Premnath, T.


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Subject: Re: How do I stop Pine from justifing ASCII uploads?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 19:24:49 GMT
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Chip Old ([email protected]) wrote:
: On 2 Jul 1995, DANIEL PRINCE wrote:

: > I like to compose some messages ofline and then do an ASCII upload of
: > them.  When I do this in Pine (and Pico) it justifies all my paragraphs
: > together.  Is there any way I can stop it from doing this?  It takes a
: > lot of time to go in and separate my paragraphs and it shouldn't be
: > necessary.
:
: It would help to know what platform Pine is running on (UNIX? DOS?) and
: how you're accessing it (dial-up?), but I'll guess it's on a UNIX box and
: you're accessing it by dialing into a shell account.
:
: I do ASCII uploads into Pine fairly often and don't have that problem.
: I suspect it is your telecomm software, not Pine, that is to blame.  Some
: telecomm software ignores lines containing only a CR during an ASCII
: dump.  In some telecomm software this is configurable, so check that
: first.
:
: If that doesn't work, the trick is to make your "blank" lines actually
: non-blank.  Put a space character or two on each blank line.  This will
: still appear to be a blank line to the reader, but your computer will
: treat it as a non-blank line.  Most telecomm software will send such
: lines unmodified.  If that doesn't work, then put an unobtrusive character
: (like a period) on each "blank" line.

I use Telix to call a BBS that has Pine on a Unix box.  I have Telix
configured to expand blank lines (it adds a space).  I have also tried it
without expanding blank lines with the same results.  I have even tried
using THREE blank lines between each paragraph but it still justified
them all together.  The next thing I will try is changing the blank lines
to 65 spaces.

:
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From: Mike Hatz <[email protected]>
Subject: Copying messages BACK into [INBOX]
To: [email protected]
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I didn't see a meta-key for moving read messages back into the [INBOX].
Is there an easy way to do this?

Thanks,

Mike
=====
"If I hear one more *&^%%$!!! journalist use the term
'Information Super Highway' I am going to throw up!"



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Subject: Re: a CS prof thinks elm is better than pine!!
Date: 6 Jul 1995 14:37:12 GMT
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (UMD Library Lab) writes:

>Please email dcrouch and tell him why you like pine, but dont include this
>email address.

I only wish I could use elm instead of pine!  From a user's point
of view elm is vastly superior, but it's such a pain in the ass
to get it to compile that on this site I'm stuck with pine.  I've
gotten used to it by now, but it still does enough irritating
things that I'd switch to elm instantly if given the choice.

(My leading gripes: even setting the signature at end variable
won't put my .signature after, rather than before, the text of
forwarded mail, and pine won't insert signature dashes so I have
to have a different .sig for pine than for the rest of the world.
Plus I hate the number of menus and the counterintuitive key
bindings: 'm' has meant compose mail in every mailer I've used
since Mail, but now every time I hit m I end up staring at the
main menu.)

Not to dog on pine too much -- it's better than mush, at least.

--

[email protected]  is  Joshua Putnam/P.O. Box 13220/Burton, WA 98013
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From: Michael Schuyler <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> In Pine 3.91 you can set up an "alternate editor" (such as "vi") which you
> can flip to (by typing Ctrl/_) whilst editing the message body.
>
> In fact you can even set a feature variable so that your alternate editor
> is invoked automatically as soon as you move the cursor down into the
> message text area.


Not only that, there is no way to stop invoking alternate editor
implicitly with pine.conf.fixed, and you can make a shell you editor,
thus gaining access to a shell from a restricted menu!


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Its simple and tricky to do.  Forward the mail to your own address.

Premnath, T.












On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Mike Hatz wrote:

> I didn't see a meta-key for moving read messages back into the [INBOX].
> Is there an easy way to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
> =====
> "If I hear one more *&^%%$!!! journalist use the term
> 'Information Super Highway' I am going to throw up!"
>
>


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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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I don't think I agree with you on this...

I've just tried adding the following to our "fixed" configuration file:

feature-list=no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly,
       ...any other features you want to fix...

The "no-" prefix indicates these feature-list values are to be forced "off"
(omitting the "no-" forces a value on).  Any feature-list values not
listed in the "fixed" configuration file can be altered by the user;
ones listed cannot.

Doesn't this happen for you?  (We're using Pine 3.91)

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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Michael Schuyler wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote:
>
> > In Pine 3.91 you can set up an "alternate editor" (such as "vi") which you
> > can flip to (by typing Ctrl/_) whilst editing the message body.
> >
> > In fact you can even set a feature variable so that your alternate editor
> > is invoked automatically as soon as you move the cursor down into the
> > message text area.
>
>
> Not only that, there is no way to stop invoking alternate editor
> implicitly with pine.conf.fixed, and you can make a shell you editor,
> thus gaining access to a shell from a restricted menu!


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Hi,

Could you please solve word wrap problem?
When cut text from other xterm and paste in pine
then it wrap at col 75 and 75-80 col become junk on the other line.

THANKS,
zxc

[email protected] (Mike Brudenell) wrote:
>In Pine 3.91 you can set up an "alternate editor" (such as "vi") which you
>can flip to (by typing Ctrl/_) whilst editing the message body.
>
>In fact you can even set a feature variable so that your alternate editor
>is invoked automatically as soon as you move the cursor down into the
>message text area.
>
>Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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>Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
>
>On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Premnath Tirumalasetty wrote:
>
>> Hi folks:
>>
>> I think Pine has lot many features than ELM.  I use both PINE 3.91
>> and ELM.  PINE is more user-friendly compared to ELM.  One can view
>> all the commands on the menu in PINE. In ELM one needs to take help
>> from a help list.
>>
>> But one good feature of ELM is that it works on VI editor.  So, most
>> of the VI commands can be used.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Premnath, T.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Premnath Tirumalasetty <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi folks:
>
>I think Pine has lot many features than ELM.  I use both PINE 3.91
>and ELM.  PINE is more user-friendly compared to ELM.  One can view
>all the commands on the menu in PINE. In ELM one needs to take help
>from a help list.
>
>But one good feature of ELM is that it works on VI editor.  So, most
>of the VI commands can be used.

Splunge.

Here's what I like about pine:
1) Supports remote mailboxes via IMAP.
2) My wife can use it; doesn't have to learn cryptic VI commands.

Here's what I like about elm:
1) Smaller, less code bloat (makes a difference on some old Sparcs we have
with only 8M of RAM. :(
2) Doesn't include a newsreader (trn IMHO is the best NR out there, the one
builtin to pine is slow and I never use it.)
3) OS/2 port available.

So, for me, if elm directly supported POP or IMAP, I would prefer it, but it
doesn't, so it's basically a tossup.

Dan

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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On 6 Jul 1995, Nancy McGough wrote:

> I use pine with different .pinerc files using `pine -p pinerc.special'
> and I'd like to be able to have some settings that I always use that
> I set in one file, e.g., pinerc.generic, and other files where I
> set different things differently depending on what I want to do,
> e.g., pinerc.special1, pinerc.special2, etc.  Is there a way to
> do this?
>

If you can do without the systemwide pine.conf file, use

       pine -P pinerc.generic -p pinerc.special

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Even easier, Save the message to INBOX...

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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Premnath Tirumalasetty wrote:

> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:50:09 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Premnath Tirumalasetty <[email protected]>
> To: Mike Hatz <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Copying messages BACK into [INBOX]
>
> Its simple and tricky to do.  Forward the mail to your own address.
>
> Premnath, T.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Mike Hatz wrote:
>
> > I didn't see a meta-key for moving read messages back into the [INBOX].
> > Is there an easy way to do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> > =====
> > "If I hear one more *&^%%$!!! journalist use the term
> > 'Information Super Highway' I am going to throw up!"
> >
> >
>

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-Where can I find the complete pine source code for version 3.91?? I
would like to design a GUI for it. Or for 3.92 if it is to be released
soon.

Thank in advance.

csmith

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Is there any way to import a set of email addresses into my addressbook
without retyping each and every one of them?

.. Dick Reichart


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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, David L Miller wrote:

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Hey, Piners.

Please note that it isn't what Dave Miller wrote but what his header
says.  He's using Pine 3.92!

It must be close.




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[email protected] (Joshua_Putnam) wrote:
Thanks.
I don't means any editor not vi and not pico.
I means simple cut text from another xterm and put into pine.
I have no problem when set automatic vi as editor.
But this will slow down the process because I have to quit vi
before sending mail by pine.

BTW: where should I set :se wm=0
It doesn't exist in .pinerc

THANKS,
zxc

>If you're referring to wrapping when using vi, that is controlled
>by the vi configuration, not the pine configuration.  Most
>systems will set up vi with a polite right margin, wide enough
>that quoted text won't start wrapping onto the next line.
>
>In any case, the vi variable involved is the wrapmargin, or wm.
>It's the margin from the right, so the command
>
>:se wm=1
>
>on an 80-column terminal will wrap lines after column 79.  If you
>
>:se wm=0
>
>then vi will stop auto-wrapping entirely.
>
>You can permanently configure vi by editing your .exrc to include
>a line like
>
>set wrapmargin=X
>
>where X is whatever margin you prefer.
>
>
>--
>
>[email protected]  is  Joshua Putnam/P.O. Box 13220/Burton, WA 98013
>                   "My other bike is a car."

--



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From: [email protected] (Sandra Wald)
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Does Pine compress automatically on the VMS? In regular MAIL on VMS you must
delete and compress to free up the disk space. I was hoping that PINE was doing
this automatically on VMS.

sincerely,
Sandra


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When will we see hooks in pine to do address lookup via qi/cso servers ?

I can think of one way to do it, like an address book item which
contains
the address of the cso server.

I must admit that in pegasis mail that lookup feature, though tied to
the novell username list, is quite handy
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At the university, I use pine 3.91.  When looking at my mail archives
(containing both sent and received mail) there, the messages I received
are labeled with the name of the sender in the index, while the messages I
sent are indicated with "To: ...".

While reading the archives at home (pine 3.91 on Linux), the messages I
sent are indicated with my name, instead of "To: ...", as on that system,
[email protected] (my university address) is a stranger.

How can I tell pine that I am both <jmw@wonko> and <jmwislez@eduserv...>,
to be able to see the recipient in the index instead of my own name ?

Please send any reply to <[email protected]>, as I do not
regularly check this newsgroup.


                                       Jean-Marc Wislez


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Date: 6 Jul 1995 20:27:45 GMT
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Some idea where to download pine from for sun sparcs!! Please send me
mail directory as I don't read this newsgroup very often.

thanks,
-ajay

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I've been using Pine3.91 on an AIX 3.2.5 system for some time now.  We've
recently upgraded to AIX 4.1, and I'm not sure if that's causing the
following problem or not.

In the past, I've been automatically prompted on a monthly basis as to
whether or not I'd like to move my default-fcc file to a file-mmm-yyy
archive file.  For the past two months, I've not received this prompt.
I've searched the Pine FAQ and the Pine configuration screen, but I can't
find anything that controls this (perhaps I'm missing something obvious).
Does anyone know what might be causing this problem?  Thanks!


--
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From: [email protected] (Joshua_Putnam)
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Date: 6 Jul 1995 17:43:41 GMT
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In <[email protected]> dek-leang-kwai <[email protected]> writes:

>[email protected] (Mike Brudenell) wrote:
>>In Pine 3.91 you can set up an "alternate editor" (such as "vi") which you
>>can flip to (by typing Ctrl/_) whilst editing the message body.
>>
>>In fact you can even set a feature variable so that your alternate editor
>>is invoked automatically as soon as you move the cursor down into the
>>message text area.

>Could you please solve word wrap problem?
>When cut text from other xterm and paste in pine
>then it wrap at col 75 and 75-80 col become junk on the other line.

If you're referring to wrapping when using vi, that is controlled
by the vi configuration, not the pine configuration.  Most
systems will set up vi with a polite right margin, wide enough
that quoted text won't start wrapping onto the next line.

In any case, the vi variable involved is the wrapmargin, or wm.
It's the margin from the right, so the command

:se wm=1

on an 80-column terminal will wrap lines after column 79.  If you

:se wm=0

then vi will stop auto-wrapping entirely.

You can permanently configure vi by editing your .exrc to include
a line like

set wrapmargin=X

where X is whatever margin you prefer.


--

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From: [email protected] (Mary Papakhian)
Subject: /Mail/sent-lock
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We have a user on our system who gets the error message

error creating /Mail/sent-lock.mail  no such folder or
directory

when he tries to send a mail message.  The message does
get sent, though.   Shouldn't pine be trying to write
to his Mail subdirectory rather than /Mail?  Is there
something I can change in his .pinerc to fix this?
The workaround for now is to create /Mail--this prevents
the displaying of the error message.


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From: [email protected] (Ken Weaverling)
Subject: Re: ***address-loop-or-duplicate***
Date: 6 Jul 1995 18:57:23 -0400
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In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.950620102148.341A-100000@mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us>,
Don Hayward  <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I have an address list made up entirely of people in the local domain.  It
>is my understanding that I need use only the userid of each party in the
>list.  This works, mostly.  When I mail to the list, three of the
>addresses in it fail and the MAILER_DAEMON mail failed message lists the
>failed addresses in this form:
>
><userid@***address-loop-or-duplicate***> ... illegal character in hostname
>
>How can this be corrected?

case matters. If the addressbook is all lower case, and you enter the
id in upper or mixed case, this happens.

I corrected this by just putting the fully qualified address into the
addressbooks.

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From: [email protected] (Todd Natkin)
Subject: Re: Using "vi" within Pine
Date: 6 Jul 1995 20:52:53 GMT
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After setting the wrapmargin to 8 or so, you will probably want to
reformat a paragraph since wrapmargin works only when the cursor moves
past the selected column.

The following mapping in your .exrc file will allow you to
automatically reformat a paragraph:

                 map ^O {!}fmt^M}j

Give it a try.  Remember the ^M must be entered as ^V^M to get a real
^M into the .exrc file.

/Todd Natkin
[email protected]
Mike Brudenell ([email protected]) wrote:
: In Pine 3.91 you can set up an "alternate editor" (such as "vi") which you
: can flip to (by typing Ctrl/_) whilst editing the message body.

: In fact you can even set a feature variable so that your alternate editor
: is invoked automatically as soon as you move the cursor down into the
: message text area.

: Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
: Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/

: On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Premnath Tirumalasetty wrote:

: > Hi folks:
: >
: > I think Pine has lot many features than ELM.  I use both PINE 3.91
: > and ELM.  PINE is more user-friendly compared to ELM.  One can view
: > all the commands on the menu in PINE. In ELM one needs to take help
: > from a help list.
: >
: > But one good feature of ELM is that it works on VI editor.  So, most
: > of the VI commands can be used.
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > Premnath, T.

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From: Paul Winders/Topeka-KS <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Windows Pine problem
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I am using PC-Pine in Windows. After logging in with
my internet service provider with Trumpet Winsock,
I bring up PC-Pine.

When I try to open "INBOX" pine asks for my login
and password.

Firstly, I don't think it should, since I am already logged in.

Secondly, If I do type them in, Pine keeps telling me that they
are in-correct.

The newsgroups and the "update server" seem to work fine. Apparently
I am doing something wrong (or not doing something right)... Help,
and thanks in advance.

Paul...


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From: [email protected] (Jim LeBay)
Subject: Re: How do I stop Pine from justifing ASCII uploads?
Date: 7 Jul 1995 02:08:05 GMT
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DANIEL PRINCE ([email protected]) wrote:
> I like to compose some messages ofline and then do an ASCII upload of
> them.  When I do this in Pine (and Pico) it justifies all my paragraphs
> together.  Is there any way I can stop it from doing this?  It takes a
> lot of time to go in and separate my paragraphs and it shouldn't be
> necessary.

Pine does the same thing to me, in a most impresive way.

I usually run Pine 3.91 in a Terminal window on my NeXTstation, running
NextStep 3.1.  If I copy & paste text into the window running Pine (or
Pico), the pasted text is automatically justified into a single large
paragraph, regardless of any blank lines.

The wierdest part happens if any following paragraphs are "too close".
The pasted text "gobbles up" the existing text, and lines of each get
mixed together, and then the whole thing gets justified.  What a mess!

This doesn't make any sense to me.  Pasting text into a window should have
the exact same results as typing it in, right?

I've also found another way to reproduce this bug, for those of you who
aren't lucky enough to use NextStep.  Use any(?) IBM-PC vt100 terminal
emulation program, login to your UNIX box, run Pine or Pico, and do an
ASCII upload of a UNIX-format text file.  I.e. text lines separated only
by a single line-feed (0x0a), rather than DOS's normal CR-LF.

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Hi, what is the env variable for TZ in pine? Please reply in email as I don't
subscribe to this group, thanks.

Eric

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On 28 Jun 1995, Thomas F. Steck wrote:

> for a new version of pine?  Especially one that includes a
> true window (either X11, MS-Win, or Apple) interface.  If a
                     ^^^

Sometime ago there was a talk about a mail reader
called Spruce to-be-built on top of PINE which would
offer a true X11 GUI ... I don't see much talk about
Spruce anymore!

Farid
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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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Doesn't necessarily follow...  This has been commented on with previous
not-yet-released version of Pine in the same circumstances.  Just because
they haven't *released* the next version to us lot doesn't mean they
can't use it themselves to test it out.  (I think the phrase "Alpha
Testing" springs to mind? ;-)

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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Don Sugarman wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
>
> Hey, Piners.
>
> Please note that it isn't what Dave Miller wrote but what his header
> says.  He's using Pine 3.92!
>
> It must be close.
>
>


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On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> Doesn't necessarily follow...  This has been commented on with previous
> not-yet-released version of Pine in the same circumstances.  Just because
> they haven't *released* the next version to us lot doesn't mean they
> can't use it themselves to test it out.  (I think the phrase "Alpha
> Testing" springs to mind? ;-)
>
That's what I figured, which is why I said it must be getting close.

So, any idea how one becomes a Beta Tester?  I'd be willing to ring it out.
Don Sugarman
[email protected]


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I finally figured out why Pico was justifying everything I ASCII
uploaded.  It was because Telix was sending a CR LF at the end of each
line.  LF is the same as control J which is the command Pico uses for
justify.  One I told Telix to strip linefeeds everything worked correctly.


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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Don Sugarman wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote:
>
> > Doesn't necessarily follow...  This has been commented on with previous
> > not-yet-released version of Pine in the same circumstances.  Just because
> > they haven't *released* the next version to us lot doesn't mean they
> > can't use it themselves to test it out.  (I think the phrase "Alpha
> > Testing" springs to mind? ;-)
> >

That is basically correct.  By this definition, Pine 3.92 went into Alpha
a day or so after 3.91 was released.

> That's what I figured, which is why I said it must be getting close.
>
> So, any idea how one becomes a Beta Tester?  I'd be willing to ring it out.
> Don Sugarman
> [email protected]
>

If you support an architecture that we don't have here at UW and have the
resources to make the necessary changes and send us patches fairly
quickly, let me know.  I'm not saying we are any where near ready to send
anything out, but it would be nice to have a list when we need it...


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|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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Last info I heard on this was that the author of SPRUCE had given up on
the possibility of having time to continue the project... :(

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On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Farid Hamjavar wrote:

> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:52:35 -0600
> From: Farid Hamjavar <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Will Pine 3.92 ever be created?
>
>
>
> On 28 Jun 1995, Thomas F. Steck wrote:
>
> > for a new version of pine?  Especially one that includes a
> > true window (either X11, MS-Win, or Apple) interface.  If a
>                       ^^^
>
> Sometime ago there was a talk about a mail reader
> called Spruce to-be-built on top of PINE which would
> offer a true X11 GUI ... I don't see much talk about
> Spruce anymore!
>
> Farid
> [email protected]
>
>

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From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Global Address Book File
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On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> [deleted]
>
> The solution is for the maintainer of the global address book to update
> the look up file after any change.  You can do this by logging into a
> username with write access to the directory and file, and then:
>
>       cd to the directory with the address book
>       pine -create_lu addrbookname sort-order
>       chmod go+r addrbookname.lu
>
> where "sort-order" is one of "dont-sort", "nickname", "fullname",
> "nickname-with-lists-last" or "fullname-with-lists-last" (the same sort
> orders available in the Setup Configuration screen for your personal
> address book).
>
> REMEMBER to reset the protection of the new/modified look up file (the
> "chmod" command above).  I *always* get caught by this; Pine always
> (re)creates it with no access to "group" or "others",  so people can't
> read it, so you *still* get the temporary versions being created in /tmp.

I don't know if it will help you or not, but it actually uses the umask of
the creator to decide what mode to make the new file.  So, you could
replace the chmod  above by something which caused the umask to be 22
instead of 77.

> [I'll e-mail the Pine Team separately asking if they can reuse the
> protection of any existing look up file when updating it in some future
> version of Pine.]

Good idea.  I'll add it in the next version.  Thanks.

> Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
To: Kurt <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dual Edged Sword
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You haven't given us much to go on...  more details symptoms plus info on
your installation, versions, OS flavor, comm software, and usage patterns
would perhaps provide a starting point.

-teg

On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Kurt wrote:

> It sure is frustrating to have a fine program like PINE and PICO, with
> no installation instructions- at least no *complete* installation
> instructions.  Sometimes PINE works, sometimes it doesn't...  but MAIL
> always works.  Some of my PINE users get their mail, others only get
> it sometimes...  The screen often fills up with garbage when choosing
> C to compose.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this situation?  I really want to use
> PINE, it's much nicer than MAIL....  except it doesn't work reliably.
> I have checked all the documentation at the FTP site, the web site,
> and here on the USENET, to no avail....
>
>



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I get the following error compiling PINE on AIX3.2. Where is osdep.h?
Please respond to me at [email protected]

Thanks

>build a32
make args are "CC=cc"

Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
       make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=a32
       echo a32 > OSTYPE
       rm -rf systype
       ln -s ANSI systype
       cd ANSI/c-client; make a32
ANSI/c-client: No such file or directory
The error code from the last failed command is 1.

Make Quitting.
The error code from the last failed command is 2.

Make Quitting.

Making Pico

Making Pine.
Make: Do not know how to make ../c-client/osdep.h.
       Check that the target is defined in the description file
       and that the dependency files exist.
  Quitting.

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: 0654-304 Cannot open bin/pine.
size: 0654-304 Cannot open bin/mtest.
size: 0654-304 Cannot open bin/imapd.
bin/pico: 492 + 143724 + 148 + 20356 + 1536 + 124 + 9065 + 225317 = 400762
Done



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I keep on getting references to usenet discussion groups which are not
listed in my News-Collection <Usenet News> list.

What file is this list supposed to be reading?  And how can I get it
updated or corrected?

Thanks for any help.

.. Dick Reichart




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From: Randy Holder <rholder@comp>
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 15:40:46 -0500
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Simone,
Sorry I took so long to respond - busy schedule.
Start at the Unix Comp Prompt:
1) Type vacation <enter>
2) If it's your first time to use vacation, the program will display an
  editing screen (using the default editor - in most cases vi).
3) Make any changes that you want in your auto message text.
4) If you are using vi, type :Q <enter>
5) You will see the following prompt.
  You have a message file in /export/home2/shortcrs/short1/.vacation.msg
  Would You like to see it?
6) Answer Y <Enter> if you would like to review the current message.
7) You will see the contents of the message followed by:
  Would you like to edit it?
8) Answer N <enter> if the message is ok.
9) You will see the following prompt:
  To enable the vacation feature a .forward file is created.
  Would you like to enable the vaction feature?
10)Answer y <enter>

The vacation message is now enabled.  Each person sending you mail gets a
message back stating the contents of the message file that you created.

To Disable the Vacation Message
Remove or rename the .forward file.
rm .forward <enter>  or mv .forward .oldforward <enter>
The vaction message is deactivated.

Hope this helps.

Randy Holder
Electronic Mail Specialist
University of Arkansas




On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Simone Shoemaker wrote:

> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950629095241.8265F-100000@comp> you wrote:
> : Vacation is a unix command that is normally issued from the unix prompt.
> : It makes use of the forwarding function to send an automatic reply.
> : (I suspect you are on a unix type system.)
>
> : Hope this helps,
>
> : Randy Holder
> : E-Mail Support Specialist
> : University of Arkansas
>
>
> Hi Randy,
> you wrote this in response to someone asking about vacation mailers -
> would you be so kind to send me some more detailed info on how to set
> that kind of automatic response up? I'd really appreciate it!
>
> I'm not particularily compurer-literate, so please explain in the
> simplest terms possible. (I know what an Unix promt is, but that's about
> the end of my working knowledge of Unix!)
>
> -- Simone Shoemaker
> ***************************************************************************
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From: [email protected] (Todd Natkin)
Subject: Re: Using "vi" within Pine
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To anyone working on the next version of pine, perhaps it could be
"fixed" so that if vi is selected as the default editor, then vi
keystrokes are used =throughout= pine, including in the header/subject
areas.  It just seems rather awkward to keep mentally shifting from one
set of editing keystrokes to another if one wishes to use vi in pine.
Perhaps it is just a minor point, but after editing with vi for a
while, I =always= first press <esc>x to delete instead of <ctrl>d.

Thanks.

/tn

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I run a mailing list with Pine and the addressbook. Is there a way to
make each message I say start with

From: Commo Mailing List <[email protected]>

or similar? Thanks.

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I want to use PINE with the windows' EWAN terminal emulator,
but of EWAN's 3 configuration options (VT100, VT52, and ANSI) PINE
recognizes none.  Is there a way to make these two programs run together.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   .                                                             Kevin Krause
/<------                                                       [email protected]




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osdep.h is make as part of the build process.  It looks like you do not
have all of the Pine sources.  Please get a new copy from
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z

On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Garry Petrie wrote:
> I get the following error compiling PINE on AIX3.2. Where is osdep.h?
> Please respond to me at [email protected]
>
> Thanks
>
> >build a32
> make args are "CC=cc"
>
> Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
>         make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=a32
>         echo a32 > OSTYPE
>         rm -rf systype
>         ln -s ANSI systype
>         cd ANSI/c-client; make a32
> ANSI/c-client: No such file or directory
> The error code from the last failed command is 1.
>
> Make Quitting.
> The error code from the last failed command is 2.
>
> Make Quitting.
>
> Making Pico
>
> Making Pine.
> Make: Do not know how to make ../c-client/osdep.h.
>         Check that the target is defined in the description file
>         and that the dependency files exist.
>    Quitting.
>
> Links to executables are in bin directory:
> size: 0654-304 Cannot open bin/pine.
> size: 0654-304 Cannot open bin/mtest.
> size: 0654-304 Cannot open bin/imapd.
> bin/pico: 492 + 143724 + 148 + 20356 + 1536 + 124 + 9065 + 225317 = 400762
> Done
>
>
>

-- Mark --

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
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Hello:

I've just switched over to PINE from my previous mailer, which was ELM.
Does anyone have any hints on how to convert my lengthy ELM e-mail
aliases file into a PINE addressbook???

Thanks.

--
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First is it possible inside of pine or do you have
to export the message and then find a mime decoder somewhere
else on the system?  If it's possible to decode within pine
what's the command to run on the message?
--

jude <[email protected]>


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Are these kind of files supported in pine for permanently
erasing flame throwers from your in-bound
usenet newsgroup articles?
If not, it's something that imho should be
considered for a new feature.
--

jude <[email protected]>


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Richard Reichart ([email protected]) wrote:
: Is there any way to import a set of email addresses into my addressbook
: without retyping each and every one of them?
: ... Dick Reichart

with the message on-screen type T which means something like 'take
address' or whatever, then follow on-screen prompts (give it a
'nickname', whatever).  Hope this helps.  G'Day.

                            /\    /~~\/\  /\    /\      /\  /\   |>>
John (aka DearOldDad)     /\/\ \/\/   /  \/  \/\/  \/\/\/  \/  \/\|
Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH /_/__\/_/___/_/\/___/[email protected]_|__

m j


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Hi

Is there a way in Pine to have the ^T option used to select newsgroups
return to the list of groups after subscribing to a group?  Right now, it
puts me back in the folder list each time I subscribe to a group and then
must retrieve the newsgroup list again.

Thanks
Jim

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Hi, what is the correct TZ variable in PINE? Please reply in email as I don't
subscribe to this group, thanks.

Eric

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|eyes and small noses and mouths in Japanese manga.But||BGC B-Club Special|
|I don't see a whole lot of difference when I look at ||BGC #3-4-6 CDs    |
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Hi, what is the correct TZ variable in PINE? Please reply in email as I don't
subscribe to this group, thanks.

Eric

--
|"I've heard that some people complain about the large||Still looking for;|
|eyes and small noses and mouths in Japanese manga.But||BGC B-Club Special|
|I don't see a whole lot of difference when I look at ||BGC #3-4-6 CDs    |
|Disney characters." -- Shirow MASAMUNE               ||GunBuster LD set  |
|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|      http://http://www.art.net/Studios/Visual/Bianchi/gallery.html      |
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Someone brought this up quite a while back, but I don't recall seeing an
answer on it from the good folks on the PINE team:

I would like to be able to define myself as:

[email protected]
[email protected]

etc, so that mail addressed to these addresses gets "+", as well as not
being prompted for "reply to all recipients?" when one of them was me,
and the other the sender.

This shouldn't be too had for some coder out there to supply to the pine
folks (I suppose I could, if my boss lets me have a little free time now
and then)

B.

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Hello pine users!
Working for few weeks with pine some questions about pine's mime
support are still unanswered.

First of all, where gets pine its information about media types?
Mosaic and netscape use mime.types files to determine the content type.
But i couldn't find out how pine does this. I created my personal
maicaps and .mimetypes file and configured netscape to use it. So now a macintosh
binhex file is indentified by netscape and proper decoded by mcvert.
But pine still refuses to mark a macbinary file as application/applefile when
attaching a macbinary (.bin) file to a mail in pine.

Second, is there any possibility to force pine to use a special encoding
dependent on the type of attachment?

Many thanks and best regards

Andreas

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On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote:

> Richard Reichart ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Is there any way to import a set of email addresses into my addressbook
> : without retyping each and every one of them?
> : ... Dick Reichart
>
> with the message on-screen type T which means something like 'take
> address' or whatever, then follow on-screen prompts (give it a
> 'nickname', whatever).  Hope this helps.  G'Day.
>

Dear Jonathan & DearOldDad [how old? - I'm 64.5]:

Thanks for the response.  However, I already knew about this feature of
PINE.

The real answer to my question (thanks to another helpful PINE-ist) is:

figure out a way to download the _list_ of names/addresses [for example, one
which was included in the BODY of an email message, or one which was set
up on another system] into a file which you can edit so that the form of
each line is:

       nickname<TAB>realname<TAB>emailaddress

and then append this file to your .addressbook file.

I did this fairly quickly with a list of 20 or so, altho it took a bit of
workaround using my favorite DOS editor plus PICO.

The real trick when using computers is to figure out how to get the
system to do as much of the work as possible.  Retyping email addressses
is guaranteed to generate new errors.

.. Dick Reichart


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I can't seem to get Pine to digest a mail bundle.  When I press |, it says
that this key is not defined on this screen, or something to that effect.
I've tried it from both the message index and when reading the actual
message.  Is there something that I'm missing.

Please help!  I don't want to have to go back to Elm!

Btw, please mail your replies.

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From: "Kathleen D. Neustadt" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: >>>>TIMESTAMP IN PINE<<<<
To: Eric Lanier <[email protected]>
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Try this:

Packet Drivers

Pine needs to be made aware of the PC's  net-
work  configuration  file.   Simply  edit the
file WATTCP.CFG included in the Pine  distri-
bution.   The  file  includes 5 configuration
settings--IP-address,    gateway,    netmask,
nameserver(s)  and domainslist. If you have a
network configuration file  for  NCSA  Telnet
then  WATTCP.CFG is just a pared down version
of the  CONFIG.TEL  file  you  already  made.
Take a look at CONFIG.TEL to find the correct
settings for WATTCP.CFG.  Once the configura-
tion  file is made, the DOS environment vari-
able WATTCP.CFG needs to point  at  it.   For
example:

set WATTCP.CFG=C:\PINE



In addition to  networking  software  issues,  you
might  need  to worry about setting the time zone.
PC-Pine includes the time zone as part of outgoing
email.  There is a generic way for PC applications
to get the time zone, but, because PC-Pine is  one
of  a  very  few  applications which requires this
information, time zone  might  not  be  previously
configured.

The trick is to add an environment  variable,  TZ,
to your PC's AUTOEXEC.BAT file. The format for the
TZ environment variable is as follows:

              ZZZ[+H]H[:MM:SSTTT]


First is the 3-letter code for your standard time,
then  a  "+" or a "-" for direction of offset from
GMT, then the amount of  offset  (hours,  minutes,
seconds)  and  finally  the 3-letter code for your
summer- or daylight savings time.   Everything  in
[] brackets is optional.

   The default time zone is "PST-8PDT" (U.S.  Pacific
Time).  Coincidentally, Microsoft is headquartered
in that time zone.

As an example, people in the Eastern part  of  the
US  should  add  this  line  to their AUTOEXEC.BAT
files:

                  TZ=EST-5EDT

Kathy Neustadt
[email protected]



On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, Eric Lanier wrote:

>
> Hi, what is the correct TZ variable in PINE? Please reply in email as I don't
> subscribe to this group, thanks.
>
> Eric
>
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From: "Kathleen D. Neustadt" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Multiple "me's"
To: "Brian P. Hampson" <[email protected]>
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You can pass parameters to Pine when starting it. An example is:

pine -p file  Uses the named file as the personal configuration file
instaed of ~/pinerc.

pine -P file will override the system configuration.

pine -option=value assign value to the confg option option.

Look and/or do a more or a man on .profile   The first line say
MAIL=user/mail$<LOGNAME:?>

Then check out the .pirnerc file and the variable personal-name.  That
should do it for you.

Kathy Neustadt
[email protected]

On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, Brian P. Hampson wrote:

>
> Someone brought this up quite a while back, but I don't recall seeing an
> answer on it from the good folks on the PINE team:
>
> I would like to be able to define myself as:
>
> [email protected]
> [email protected]
>
> etc, so that mail addressed to these addresses gets "+", as well as not
> being prompted for "reply to all recipients?" when one of them was me,
> and the other the sender.
>
> This shouldn't be too had for some coder out there to supply to the pine
> folks (I suppose I could, if my boss lets me have a little free time now
> and then)
>
> B.
>
>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    |Brian P. Hampson                  Internet: [email protected]      |
>    |System Administrator,                                               |
>    |Analytical Service Labs           Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733   |
>    |Vancouver, BC                                                         |
>    |+604-253-4188                                                         |
>    |               Specialists in Environmental Chemistry                 |
>    |                                                                      |
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>
>


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Is there any way to do it automatically?  That is, to add new addresses to
existing lists without having to type them in again?

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [email protected]



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I sometimes get this message when trying to save mail to a specific
folder other than my inbox. How can I avoid this?

Rick Fonger                             [email protected]
Systems Administration                  1-905-775-4471 (Voice)
Times.net                               1-905-775-4489 (Fax)
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On 8 Jul 1995, Peter Barney wrote:

| I can't seem to get Pine to digest a mail bundle.  When I press |, it says
| that this key is not defined on this screen, or something to that effect.
| I've tried it from both the message index and when reading the actual
| message.  Is there something that I'm missing.
|
| Please help!  I don't want to have to go back to Elm!

   From the Main Menu (provided you are using version 3.91), go into
Setup / Configuration and enable-unix-pipe-command (or however it is
exactly worded).  This should allow you to pipe a message.  I don't know
about a whole folder at once (although a folder is a file in itself).

Paul
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P. O. Box 857     Vienna, VA 22183-0857     U.S.A.
Finger, keyserver, or email for PGP 2.6 public key
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Michael Pollak ([email protected]) wrote:

: Is there any way to do it automatically?  That is, to add new addresses to
: existing lists without having to type them in again?
: Michael Pollak................New York [email protected]

With the message on-screen type T to 'take address' then follow on-screen
prompts like give it a nickname, etc.  It will add it to your addressbook.
G'Day.
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John (aka DearOldDad)     /\/\ \/\/   /  \/  \/\/  \/\/\/  \/  \/\|
Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH /_/__\/_/___/_/\/___/[email protected]_|__
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On 2 Jul 1995, DANIEL PRINCE wrote:

> I like to compose some messages ofline and then do an ASCII upload of
> them.  When I do this in Pine (and Pico) it justifies all my paragraphs
> together.  Is there any way I can stop it from doing this?  It takes a
> lot of time to go in and separate my paragraphs and it shouldn't be
> necessary.

It's your communications software that's doing this to you.  I have had
the problem with Telix, but not with Hayes SmartCom.

Phil


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From: [email protected] (Ted Eytan)
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To anyone knowledgeable about IMAP/POP servers:

I have been using Mac Eudora successfully on POP-equipped machines for a
few years now at various instututions.  I have just moved to Seattle, and
find that the U of Washington does not seem to support POP and uses IMAP
instead. I had thought that POP was standard.

I am seeking advice on a good IMAP client (ideally, a Eudora-esque, or
even an IMAP-Eudora) and any information about IMAP vs. POP.  I have
investigated Mailstrom which seems pretty antiquated (the U distributes v.
1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines.

Any advice is greatly appreciated, feel free to email me personally.

Ted Eytan
Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound
Seattle, WA
[email protected]


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When I send messages to a mailing list I subscribe to, my name doesn't
appear in the index like everybody else's. Instead it says "To multiple
recipients" etc. How can I fix this?

Please mail any responses to the address below.

Art Johnson
[email protected]



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                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote:

>
> Michael Pollak ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Is there any way to do it automatically?  That is, to add new addresses to
> : existing lists without having to type them in again?
> : Michael Pollak................New York [email protected]
>
> With the message on-screen type T to 'take address' then follow on-screen
> prompts like give it a nickname, etc.  It will add it to your addressbook.
> G'Day.

That part I know.  I don't want to add them to my addressbook.  I want to
add them to distribution lists that are already in my addressbook.  I
want to be able to invoke the "Z" command inside the "T" command.

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [email protected]



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How do I configure pine to forward mail to a different email address??


......................................
HoLe LoTTa LoVe- the Hole Mailing List
     Susan May- maintainer
      [email protected]
......................................


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 I have tried...God have I tried!! to put a signature at the bottom of
all my messages; you know, those cute little drawings and such that appear
automatically at the bottom of messages.  Well... I've typed S (for set
up) the C (for configuration), got to "signature at bottom" I have read and
*follow* the instructions obtained by pressing help(?)...Used Pico, wrote a
coouple of lines and an inspiring quote from "Don Quijote" and saved to the
file "signature", checked (again) the signature at bottom feature and...
nothing, nothing, nothing!...
Could anubody please help me before I destroy my computer and modem?
Thank you very much!

Simply signed

Chafallo


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In your home directory create a file named  .forward

and it it put the line

[email protected]

Where username is your login ID for your new site and where site.name is
the name of the site where your login ID is.

This can be used for many mail programs.

At my site the above would be accomplished by doing the following at the
unix command line, while in my home directory:

touch .forward

edit .forward

[email protected]

[then save and close the file.]

There are more complicated ways to do this, such as using procmail.
For information regarding this type

man forward

from the unix prompt.  Or for info on procmail type

man procmail





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Chafallo ([email protected]) wrote:
:   I have tried...God have I tried!! to put a signature at the bottom of
: all my messages; you know, those cute little drawings and such that appear
: automatically at the bottom of messages.  Well... I've typed S (for set
: up) the C (for configuration), got to "signature at bottom" I have read and
: *follow* the instructions obtained by pressing help(?)...Used Pico, wrote a
: coouple of lines and an inspiring quote from "Don Quijote" and saved to the
: file "signature", checked (again) the signature at bottom feature and...
: nothing, nothing, nothing!...
: Could anubody please help me before I destroy my computer and modem?
: Thank you very much!
: Simply signed
: Chafallo

Yup, simple ... the filename should be .signature (not signature); The .
is important.  G'Day.
                            /\    /~~\/\  /\    /\      /\  /\   |>>
John (aka DearOldDad)     /\/\ \/\/   /  \/  \/\/  \/\/\/  \/  \/\|
Pocono Mtns PA USA EARTH /_/__\/_/___/_/\/___/[email protected]_|__

m j



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From: "Kathleen D. Neustadt" <[email protected]>
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If anyone has an idea, I would love it.  I have read and read an just
seem to get deeper.

I dial in from a DOS machine to a unix server (home to school).  I then
use pine (version 3.89) to read and write.

I want to be able to dial in, collect my mail, get off and read/reply
without tying up my phone line or the school's.

I have read about PPP and SLP but don't know how to tell if we even have
that.  I have printed the Unix manual pages for mail, mailx, write,
sendmail, environ and still can't find it.

I have also heard the term SOUP.  I do this on other BBS's using .QWK
packs.  It has allowed me to writed scripts to dial in at 2am and pick
up/deliver mail all over.

Thanks

K. Neustadt
[email protected]



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Anybody know how to suppress the .pine-debug# that pine keeps creating in
my home directory?  It makes debugs numbered 1-4, then stops.  Why does
it do this, and is there a way to turn it off?  Thanks

Mark Swartz
[email protected]


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According the to the Pine Documentation, there should be these four files.

[email protected]



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From: [email protected] (Terry Knab)
Subject: Re: French version of pine?
Date: 9 Jul 1995 16:02:07 -0600
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nstn1421 ([email protected]) wrote:
: Does anyone know if there is a French version of pine? And if so where
: would one get its source?

: Rick Berger

Well, if it comes down to it, it wouldn't be all *that* hard to convert
pine into another language.  With a little help, a version could easily
be made.  If anyone wants a french or spanish version, I will write one.

Terry



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JOM ([email protected]) wrote:

: I run a mailing list with Pine and the addressbook. Is there a way to
: make each message I say start with
:
: From: Commo Mailing List <[email protected]>

: or similar? Thanks.

There is a simple way to do this.  Just set your personal name using
Pine's config feature.  just set it to Commo Mailing list.

Terry



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On Sun, 9 Jul 1995, Chafallo wrote:

|                                                          Used Pico, wrote a
| coouple of lines and an inspiring quote from "Don Quijote" and saved to the
| file "signature", checked (again) the signature at bottom feature and...
| nothing, nothing, nothing!...

   If you are on a Un*x system, your signature file should be named
precisely ".signature", not "signature".  Note the leading period.  This
is the default in the Un*x world.  Also, it usually resides in your home
directory.  However, with Pine, you may go into the configuration and
give your signature file another name.  Check to make sure everything is
in synch.

Paul
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From: Joshua Hosseinoff <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Any known problems with pico and AIX 3.2?
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 15:08:44 -0400
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This is the typical linking with curses problem on AIX, just link it with
termcap instead of curses and find yourself a decent termcap file and
you're all set.


On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Kurt wrote:

> [email protected] (Alessandro Miotto) wrote:
> >I have no core or pine-debug information yet so I would like to understand
> >whether similar behaviours are already known before investigating further.
>
> >- In another session pico kept pasting the same buffer over and over until
> >  it was killed by hand. The text was saved into the postponed messages
> >  folder, and when restarted pine asked whether the user wanted to resume
> >  composition. After typing "yes" the program crashed.
>
> >     Alessandro
>
> I have had pine crash under AIX 3.2.0 when choosing C to compose a new
> message, and also when choosing C to continue composing an interrupted
> message.  When it crashes, it squirts reversed question marks and
> other bizzarre characters onto the terminal, then hangs.  I have to
> kill pine from another terminal...
>
> Kurt Risser
> Snider Bolt, Louisville, KY USA   502 968-2250
>
>
>


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I have a periodic problem in connection to printing.  After I issue the
(Y) print attached message command, sometimes my printer will form feed a
'blank', i.e., what seems to be an empty print buffer.  Any clues?

Thanks,
d.c.


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Date: 9 Jul 1995 23:05:26 GMT
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I have a copy of the Pine user-guide, but it does
not answer my question of how, to establish a
signature for my e-mail. Can someone help?
Is there other documentation available at the U of W
that will help?
Thanks Skip Summer
[email protected]



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Hmmm. That'll work but mail to the list isn't addressed separately and I
get normal mail in the same session.

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Hello,

I posted a message the other day regarding converting ELM aliases to PINE
addressbook.

I was also wondering how to format multiple addresses into one alias on
PINE. For example, I maintain a list of about 30 people whom I mail to
reguarly, all located on my old ELM alias called "list1", how do I format
this list into my PINE addressbook??

In ELM, I would simple do the following:

list1 = list1



Srihari Gopal, MD                                                          PGY-I
Univ. of Illinois College of Medicine                     Department of Surgery
[email protected]                                  http://rwja.umdnj.edu/~gopal/sri.html



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From: [email protected] (Peter Barney)
Subject: Digesting mail.
Date: 10 Jul 1995 03:33:56 GMT
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Thanks to everyone who answered my question about making the pipe command
work.  Now another question:

When I pipe to "digest", like I was doing with Elm, imagine my surprise when
the Pine view screen came back with a message that looked like _Elm's_
message index!  Well, I dropped to the shell and typed "digest", and it said
that I should only run it from Elm.

Apparently, there are different programs for digesting with different mail
readers.  Could you point me to a digester for Pine?

Thanks in advance!  Also, please mail your replies.


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Subject: {Q} Can pine be set to forward mail?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 04:41:20 GMT
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How can we set pine to forward mail to a different address? Can't find
anything in the online docs. ..... unless we are really just missing it!

Thanks ...

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From: [email protected] (Solo)
Subject: Re: Help! Why the debugs?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 04:30:31 GMT
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For some reason Solo wrote:
? Anybody know how to suppress the .pine-debug# that pine keeps creating in
? my home directory?  It makes debugs numbered 1-4, then stops.  Why does
? it do this, and is there a way to turn it off?  Thanks

Thanks for all the reply's.  I got it to stop making the debugs by using
the -d0 switch.  Thanks for the help.

Mark Swartz
[email protected]


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From: Gerald G Darby <[email protected]>
Subject: PINE 3.92 WEB SITES
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:14:11 -0800
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DOes anyone know where I can get some Documentation on PINE 3.92 other
than it's own help files? I'm putting together some documentation on it,
and was wondering if I could save myself some time. Please email me
personally with any results. Thanks to anyone that responds!
                       Gerald


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From: [email protected] (Steve Frampton)
Subject: Question in Pine.
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 04:54:49 GMT
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Hello:

I am posting this message on behalf of a friend.  Please reply directly
to him at [email protected] (the default if you "reply" to this
message).

He was wondering if there was any way to request receipt notification
and/or read notification when sending a mail message using Pine.  I have
looked on my Pine but wasn't able to figure out how to do so (it doesn't
seem to be in the rich headers).

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


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From: [email protected] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)
Subject: Re: PINE 3.92 WEB SITES
Date: 10 Jul 1995 14:41:40 GMT
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Gerald G Darby ([email protected]) wrote:
: DOes anyone know where I can get some Documentation on PINE 3.92 other
: than it's own help files? I'm putting together some documentation on it,
: and was wondering if I could save myself some time. Please email me
: personally with any results. Thanks to anyone that responds!
:                       Gerald

I assume you mean 3.91, unless you know something I don't.  The best site
is http://www.cac.washington.edu:1180/pine/   Lottsa good stuff there.

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From: [email protected] (Mark R. Bell)
Subject: Return Address Spoofing
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To be able to use Pine 3.91 (LAN Workplace version) in a public cluster, I
need to completely disable the ability of a user to enter a fake return
address or name.  I have been able to hack a solution on the Mac side by
removing the text fields for a return name and address, the result being
that a user's e-mail has only his or her true e-mail address in the From
field in the header.  Is this possible in Pine?  I have looked at the
release notes, FAQ, and Web site, but with no luck.

Thanks in advance for any advice on this problem.

--Mark


Mark R. Bell                                       Voice:  919/660-6919
Information Services Specialist,       Fax:     919/684-8615
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Office of Information Technology       URL:     phonebk.duke.edu:8001
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From: "S. Shawns S." <[email protected]>
Subject: dictionary help
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I want to know how to add words to the file that pine uses to spell check.
Plus on my home PC I have Linux, it came w/ pine but it doesn't have the
spell check file since it says it did a spell check but it did not find
the misspelled words.
Thanks,


S. Shawn S.
http://www.eden.com/~sshawns
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Men are so necessarily foolish that not to be a fool is merely a
varied freak of the folly.
                                     --PASCAL.





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Subject: URGENT HELP NEEDED: problems with MIME!
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:14:47 +0100
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Hi all!

I use PINE 3.91 for mail and news. Many users asked me if i can
deactivate the MIME-support, because their news-reader have problems with
MIME. They always have '=20'-sequences in my messages.

I don't want to take another newsreader, but then i must deactivate MIME.
Who can i do that??

Help per PMail wanted! (Or Cc of your posting).
        ^^^^^
THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR HELPING ME!

+-----------------------+-------------+-----------------------------------+
| Ralf Wenzel           |      ?      | [email protected]    |
| Kavallerieweg 18      |     \|/     + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
| 33104 Paderborn (GER) |     @ @     | PHONE: 0049 - 5254 - 87293        |
+-----------------------+-oOO-(_)-OOo-+-----------------------------------+



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To: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Signature Help Needed
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:21:21 +0100
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On 9 Jul 1995, Alan Summer wrote:

> I have a copy of the Pine user-guide, but it does
> not answer my question of how, to establish a
> signature for my e-mail. Can someone help?

First: I'm sorry, but my english ist very bad!!!!
I don't know if i really understand your question, because it seems a
very simple problem (->online help). You have to save a file (name:
signature) in your home-directory. Or you choose another name and configure
to the setup. Or use control+R (Read File).

+-----------------------+-------------+-----------------------------------+
| Ralf Wenzel           |      ?      | [email protected]    |
| Kavallerieweg 18      |     \|/     + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
| 33104 Paderborn (GER) |     @ @     | PHONE: 0049 - 5254 - 87293        |
+-----------------------+-oOO-(_)-OOo-+-----------------------------------+



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From: [email protected] (Mark R. Bell)
Subject: Return Address Spoofing
Date: 10 Jul 1995 14:37:00 GMT
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To be able to use Pine 3.91 (LAN Workplace version) in a public
cluster, I need to completely disable the ability of a user to enter a
fake return address or name.  I have been able to hack a solution on
the Mac side by removing the text fields for a return name and address
in Mail Drop, the result being that a user's e-mail has only his or her
true e-mail address in the From field in the header.  Is this possible
in Pine?  I have looked at the release notes, FAQ, and Web site, but
with no luck.

Thanks in advance for any advice on this problem.

--Mark

Mark R. Bell                        Voice: 919/660-6919
Information Services Specialist,    Fax:   919/684-8615
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Kevin Krause <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Pine and EWAN
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On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Kevin Krause wrote:

> I want to use PINE with the windows' EWAN terminal emulator,
> but of EWAN's 3 configuration options (VT100, VT52, and ANSI) PINE
> recognizes none.  Is there a way to make these two programs run together.
>

It is not Pine that needs to know about the terminal you are emulating,
but the Unix system you are running Pine on.  Check the value of your TERM
environment variable.  Either ANSI or VT100 emulation should work with
Pine...

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|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Jude DaShiell <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: kill or twit files and pine
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On 8 Jul 1995, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Are these kind of files supported in pine for permanently
> erasing flame throwers from your in-bound
> usenet newsgroup articles?
> If not, it's something that imho should be
> considered for a new feature.

It's not there yet, but is on the list for a future release...

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|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: decoding mime attachments with pine
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On 8 Jul 1995, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> First is it possible inside of pine or do you have
> to export the message and then find a mime decoder somewhere
> else on the system?  If it's possible to decode within pine
> what's the command to run on the message?

Pine encodes and decodes MIME attachments transparently.  If a message
arrives with a MIME atachment, you should be able to just go to the
ViewAttch screen and view/save/pipe/print the attachment(s)...

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: "Brian P. Hampson" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Multiple "me's"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.D-G.3.91.950708085554.21997A-100000@asl3>
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On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, Brian P. Hampson wrote:

> Someone brought this up quite a while back, but I don't recall seeing an
> answer on it from the good folks on the PINE team:
>
> I would like to be able to define myself as:
>
> [email protected]
> [email protected]
>
> etc, so that mail addressed to these addresses gets "+", as well as not
> being prompted for "reply to all recipients?" when one of them was me,
> and the other the sender.
>

This will be available in Pine 3.92 (no, we don't have a release date
yet).

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|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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From [email protected]  Mon Jul 10 10:44:58 1995
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:40:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Peterson <[email protected]>
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To: Pine Information <[email protected]>
Subject: Configuring pine to view MIME attachments
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How can I configure pine to view a MIME attachment with the following
headers:

 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=XXCGW-1064791400XX
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary
 ...
 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="HEXEDIT.TXT"
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="HEXEDIT.TXT"

When I try to view the attached file, I get the following message:

 Don't know how to display attachment format Application/OCTET-STREAM

I assume I need to configure my .mailcap file, but I'm not sure what
should be added.  I also assume I'll need a "base64" decoding program,
where can I find one for UNIX?

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:43:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Andreas Frick <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: media types
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On 8 Jul 1995, Andreas Frick wrote:

> First of all, where gets pine its information about media types?
> Mosaic and netscape use mime.types files to determine the content type.
> But i couldn't find out how pine does this. I created my personal
> .maicaps and .mimetypes file and configured netscape to use it. So now a macintosh
> binhex file is indentified by netscape and proper decoded by mcvert.
> But pine still refuses to mark a macbinary file as application/applefile when
> attaching a macbinary (.bin) file to a mail in pine.
>

Pine currently looks at the first few bytes of an attachment to identify a
few common types that it knows about.  The next release of Pine will also
support the .mime-types file...

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email protected]  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Dan Peterson <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Information <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Configuring pine to view MIME attachments
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On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Dan Peterson wrote:

> How can I configure pine to view a MIME attachment with the following
> headers:
>
>   MIME-Version: 1.0
>   Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=XXCGW-1064791400XX
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary
>   ...
>   Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="HEXEDIT.TXT"
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>   Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="HEXEDIT.TXT"
>
> When I try to view the attached file, I get the following message:
>
>   Don't know how to display attachment format Application/OCTET-STREAM
>
> I assume I need to configure my .mailcap file, but I'm not sure what
> should be added.  I also assume I'll need a "base64" decoding program,
> where can I find one for UNIX?
>

Pine takes care of the BASE64 decoding.  The problem is that whatever
program encoded the attachment apparently couldn't figure out what type of
file it was, so it used the catch-all of Application/OCTET-STREAM.  This
means you will need to save it to a file and view it from outside of Pine.
I suppose you could make a .mailcap entry to do something with
Application/OCTET-STREAM, but be careful that whatever you invoke can deal
with binary data...

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email protected]  (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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From [email protected]  Mon Jul 10 11:20:49 1995
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 11:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
To: Michael Pollak <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Taking Addresses for Distribution Lists
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> That part I know.  I don't want to add them to my addressbook.  I want to
> add them to distribution lists that are already in my addressbook.  I
> want to be able to invoke the "Z" command inside the "T" command.
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Michael Pollak................New York [email protected]

Pine is trying to save you a keystroke and got it wrong.  If there is only
one address it assumes you want to create a new simple addressbook entry
instead of adding to a list.  That will be fixed in 3.92.  Here's a
workaround.  First Select the message, then instead of Taking the address
try Apply Take.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle




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From: [email protected] (Doug Johnson)
Subject: Re: How to resume a stopped pine process?
Date: 1 Jul 1995 15:56:21 GMT
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James Poulakos ([email protected]) wrote:
% I must have accidentally typed control Z or control S. My pine program is
% "stopped," according to the output of the ps command in UNIX, but I was
% in the middle of a huge letter!

% When I restart pine, I get a new process that is readonly. How can I resume
% or restart the old process and get my letter back on the screen? I can't
% find this in the docs or the newsgroup....


Don't you hate when that happens?  The first time that happened to me I
had to kill the process.  I have since figured out how to get back in.
When you type ctrl-Z it prints a message telling you how to get back in.
Stopped. Type 'fg' to restart PINE.  Try it and see if it works for you

Later,


Doug
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   WHAT WERE THEY DOING?
   HOW MANY OF THEM WERE THERE?
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I am looking for a shell to use when users login to the mail server.

I remember reading a post where someone mentioned imapsh.

Can anyone direct me to this shell?

Rick Bill
[email protected]


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From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
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Date: 10 Jul 1995 19:01:38 GMT
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[email protected] (Jonathan and DearOldDad) writes:
>I assume you mean 3.91, unless you know something I don't.  The best site
>is http://www.cac.washington.edu:1180/pine/   Lottsa good stuff there.

I have links to lots of Pine info, including the URL above, at:

 http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/mail+news.html

Suggestions are welcome!
Thanks,
Nancy



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From: Richard Reichart <[email protected]>
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As pine-bugs's automatic response to this message (forwarded below)
suggests, I'm posting this in case anyone has a thought.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:08:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Richard Reichart <[email protected]>
To: Pine Bugs <[email protected]>
Subject: Grrr-rr (fwd)

My sysop responded to the following that it's obviously a bug in PINE and
recommending that I create long messages offline and upload them.  I can
and of course will do this, but would be interested in whether you are
working to make the "postponed messages" (or perhaps some other facility)
grab anything that's active when the host is about to go down.  (I'm
spoiled -- APL used to do this 25 years ago!)

.. Dick Reichart

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 19:04:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Richard Reichart <[email protected]>
To: [sysop]
Subject: Grrr-rr

I doubt if there's anything you can do about it now, but I just lost an
hour's careful work on a message which I had in fact "postponed" in PINE a
couple of times, when the system locked up and then dropped the carrier.

When I logged back on, PINE first asked whether I wanted to continue the
postponed message, than said there were no messages actually postponed.

That's smoke coming out of my ears.

.. Dick
========================================================================
Obviously, I can and will write lengthy messages offline henceforward --
but it's cumbersome.  For one thing, altho it's not a PINE issue, when I
tried downloading mail and using OLX to read/respond, I discovered that
everying had also been wiped out of my PINE Inbox in the process.

       Does anyone know of a "canned" method for downloading/uploading
       messages?  What I do now is very labor-intensive:

       Export a copy from PINE to my UNIX directory, use sz... to
       download it to my PC, use DOS EDIT to get it into a DOS format,
       then edit it with a more friendly editor (which however does not
       automatically add "quote" marks to quoted passages), then use
       rz... to upload it to UNIX and finally import it into the PINE
       Compose function to send if by email.

Now you see why I avoided it (to my regret) in the instance reported.

.. Dick Reichart


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From: [email protected] (David Mullaney)
Subject: Updating the INBOX
Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:23:19 GMT
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Is there a way to make Pine update its INBOX more frequently -- or to do
so immediately in response to the push of a button??

Currently, I have to quit Pine and start it again to force new mail into
the Index.

--

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From: "Kathleen D. Neustadt" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PINE 3.92 WEB SITES
To: Gerald G Darby <[email protected]>
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Ok, this should help all, I think.

You can get pine via anonymous ftp fron the pine directory of:

       ftp.cac.washington.edu

DOCO

http:/www/cac.washington.edu/pine
http:/www/cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/pine-faq/faq.html
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs
ftp://rtfm.mit/edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/pine-faq
fttp:/ww/www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/creations/PineIntroduction
same as previous except  /PineIntromediate
same as previous except /ca_pine_guide

[email protected]


On Sun, 9 Jul 1995, Gerald G Darby wrote:

> DOes anyone know where I can get some Documentation on PINE 3.92 other
> than it's own help files? I'm putting together some documentation on it,
> and was wondering if I could save myself some time. Please email me
> personally with any results. Thanks to anyone that responds!
>                       Gerald
>
>
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From: [email protected] (Drexel Atkinson CIRT)
Subject: Pine on AIX4.1
Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:09:22 GMT
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Has anyone compiled pine on aix4.1 yet.  Are there any problems?  How about
smail on aix4.1?

thanks,
       drex



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From: [email protected] (Michele Decker)
Subject: Re: monthly moving of default-fcc stopped
Date: 10 Jul 1995 19:15:31 GMT
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Glenn Leavell ([email protected]) wrote:
: In the past, I've been automatically prompted on a monthly basis as to
: whether or not I'd like to move my default-fcc file to a file-mmm-yyy
: archive file.  For the past two months, I've not received this prompt.
: I've searched the Pine FAQ and the Pine configuration screen, but I can't
: find anything that controls this (perhaps I'm missing something obvious).
: Does anyone know what might be causing this problem?  Thanks!


Well, I am looking for the answer to what you are experiencing now.  We
would like to 'turn OFF' the monthly folder moving option - Is this
possible?  We are running Version 3.90 Pine on our 4.3a Ultrix machine.

Michele

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From: [email protected] (Jerry Lynch)
Subject: Using Pine with Sendmail's userdb option
Date: 10 Jul 1995 11:13:06 -0400
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Is it possible to successfully use pine with unix sendmail's userdb
option?  Specifically, I'm using sendmail 8.6.12.1 compiled with
Berkeley's USERDB option.  The following is a brief desciption from the
sendmail FAQ:

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 * How do I rewrite my From: lines to read ``[email protected]''?

       There are a couple of ways of doing this.  This describes using
       the "user database" code.  This is still experimental, and was
       intended for a different purpose -- however, it does work
       with a bit of care.  It does require that you have the Berkeley
       "db" package installed (it won't work with DBM).

       First, create your input file.  This should have lines like:

               loginname:mailname      First_Last
               First_Last:maildrop     loginname

       Install it in (say) /etc/userdb.
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I can use this feature successfully using ELM, Mail 5.5, and by using
sendmail directly.  By that I mean my "From:" address is changed in all my
outgoing mail based on the above rule from "loginname" to "First_Last".
Yet when I use pine, this does not happen.  Does anyone know what I need
to do to get this to work.

Thanks.

               Jerry



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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:22:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Drexel Atkinson CIRT <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Pine on AIX4.1
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For Pine on AIX 4.1, use the "a32" port and delete the
"include(srandom.dum)" line from pine/osdep/os-a32.ic.  I haven't tested
it extensively, but it seems to work...

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email protected]  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 10 Jul 1995, Drexel Atkinson CIRT wrote:

> Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:09:22 GMT
> From: Drexel Atkinson CIRT <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Pine on AIX4.1
>
> Has anyone compiled pine on aix4.1 yet.  Are there any problems?  How about
> smail on aix4.1?
>
> thanks,
>       drex
>
>
>
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To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (THINKfirst!)
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Hi.  I'm getting annoying e-mail from someone,
and I'd like to set Pine to automatically send
any e-mail sent to me from that address right
back to that address.

How can I accomplish this?

A reply via e-mail would be preferred.  THANKS!!!

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To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Lee Henrikson)
Subject: pine for hp-ux 9.x?
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I want to install pine on an HP 755 workstation running hp-ux 9.03.  The
hpp makefile is for 8.0.  Needless to say, it doesn't compile.  Any help
would be appreciated.  You can respond directly to me or to the list.

Thanks,
Lee
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To: [email protected]
From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PINE 3.92 WEB SITES
Date: 10 Jul 1995 21:26:18 GMT
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Gerald G Darby <[email protected]> writes:
>DOes anyone know where I can get some Documentation on PINE 3.92 other
>than it's own help files?

I have links to lots of Pine info, including the URL above, at:

 http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/mail+news.html

Suggestions are welcome!
Thanks,
Nancy


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cancel <[email protected]> in newsgroup comp.mail.pine

This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV)


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To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Kurt)
Subject: Re: Dual Edged Sword
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:44:46 GMT
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[email protected] (Terry Gray) wrote:

>You haven't given us much to go on...  more details symptoms plus info on
>your installation, versions, OS flavor, comm software, and usage patterns
>would perhaps provide a starting point.

You are right...  most of my problems regarding folders, files,
permissions, etc. have been solved, and they aren't PINE's fault.
They were MY fault.  However, PINE does ocassionally crash, squirting
all manner of characters onto the terminal on its way down...

But I have a more important question I would like to pose to you.
It's not anything wrong with PINE, either.

Is there some way to have the system notify users who are in
application programs that they have received mail?  Like the "write"
command?  Can SENDMAIL be configured to do this?  Or am I out of luck
altogether?

aTdHvAaNnKcSe

Kurt Risser



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From: [email protected] (JOM)
Subject: Re: mailing list help
Date: 10 Jul 1995 21:38:31 GMT
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[email protected] (Terry Knab) writes:

>JOM ([email protected]) wrote:

>: I run a mailing list with Pine and the addressbook. Is there a way to
>: make each message I say start with
>:
>: From: Commo Mailing List <[email protected]>

>: or similar? Thanks.

>There is a simple way to do this.  Just set your personal name using
>Pine's config feature.  just set it to Commo Mailing list.

Making this more clear, regular mail goes through this mailbox too and I
don't want to be changing it back and forth all the time.
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From: [email protected] (Michele Decker)
Subject: Stop Monthly Folder Moving?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 19:19:06 GMT
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We are using Pine 3.90 on our Ultrix 4.3a machine.  Is there a way to
turn OFF the monthly folder moving feature?  Any information would be
greatly appreciated, as this feature is quite annoying for many of our
Pine users!

Regards,

Michele

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From: [email protected] (Jonathan K. Cohen)
Subject: Re: IMAP Client for Mac - {Eudora?}
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:01:30 -0700
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Ted Eytan) wrote:


> I am seeking advice on a good IMAP client (ideally, a Eudora-esque, or
> even an IMAP-Eudora) and any information about IMAP vs. POP.  I have
> investigated Mailstrom which seems pretty antiquated (the U distributes v.
> 1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines.
>
MailDrop 1.1 from Baylor University is really the leading contender
right now, although there's a commercial package called Simeon
that I'd like to know more about.

Mail Drop info:

http://ackmo.baylor.edu/files/Mail_Drop/info.html
ftp://ackmo.baylor.edu/pub/bell/Mail_Drop
[email protected]

Simeon info:

The ESYS Corporation - [email protected]
402 424-4922 voice

What I'd really like to see is Eudora for IMAP. No mail package for a
similar context has Eudora's feature set, and any move away from
Eudora seems like a step backwards -- far backwards. Are you listening,
Qualcomm?

(Info courtesy of Terry Gray's IMAP software resource listing at
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.software
)

Jonathan

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Is  there an upper limit to the number of addresses we can have in a
list.  One of our users is getting Bus Error. It used to work with 60
addresses,  but it does not work now. No changes were made to pine.
The OS was upgraded to Irix 5.3.

Thanks for any help, suggestions

Jaya Sreedharan



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From: Moshe Segal <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How do I stop Pine from justifing ASCII uploads?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:22:57 -0400
Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950710191903.1339E-100000@discover>
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With my Unix account, rather than use an ASCII upload, which can
sometimes be unpredictable, I usually upload my file to the account,
then, once I am in the composer, use the <R> command to read the file
into the message.  Of course, there may still be a problem if the message
was written in DOS, so a conversion utility might be needed.


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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:44:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Brian E. Sherman" <[email protected]>
To: Michele Decker <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stop Monthly Folder Moving?
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On 10 Jul 1995, Michele Decker wrote:

> We are using Pine 3.90 on our Ultrix 4.3a machine.  Is there a way to
> turn OFF the monthly folder moving feature?

       One way to do this would be to edit the .pinerc file of each
       user and modify the following line:

       # Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning.
       last-time-prune-questioned=95.7
                                  ^^^^
       Change this to 99.12 and Pine won't ask the monthly question
       until Jan. 2000.

       I have done this for several of my users and it works with
       Pine 3.91.


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Hole Mailing List writes in comp.mail.pine:
+  How do I configure pine to forward mail to a different email address??

At the % prompt in your unix account, type the following:

% echo "[email protected]" > .forward

Replace in the above the actual address you want the mail be forwarded to.

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Mark R. Bell writes in comp.mail.pine:
+  To be able to use Pine 3.91 (LAN Workplace version) in a public cluster, I
+  need to completely disable the ability of a user to enter a fake return
+  address or name.  I have been able to hack a solution on the Mac side by
+  removing the text fields for a return name and address, the result being
+  that a user's e-mail has only his or her true e-mail address in the From
+  field in the header.  Is this possible in Pine?  I have looked at the
+  release notes, FAQ, and Web site, but with no luck.

How come you have configured Pine3.91 in such a way to allow editing of the
From: header in the first place ?

Comment out that option in the "osdep/os-xxx.h" file in the pine src kit,
and recompile. Then the option to edit the From: header will be disabled.

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From: Michael Pollak <[email protected]>
To: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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Steve, I can't thank you enough.  Problem thoroughly solved.

Michael

On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Steve Hubert wrote:

> > That part I know.  I don't want to add them to my addressbook.  I want to
> > add them to distribution lists that are already in my addressbook.  I
> > want to be able to invoke the "Z" command inside the "T" command.
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> > Michael Pollak................New York [email protected]
>
> Pine is trying to save you a keystroke and got it wrong.  If there is only
> one address it assumes you want to create a new simple addressbook entry
> instead of adding to a list.  That will be fixed in 3.92.  Here's a
> workaround.  First Select the message, then instead of Taking the address
> try Apply Take.
>
> Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
> Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>
>
>

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [email protected]



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From: Kevin Krause <[email protected]>
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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thanks for the help.  it works

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I'm trying to run pine from an NFS client (where the password file contains a
"+" and gets the names from YP. Well, anytime I try to start pine from there,
I get a message:

  Who are you? (Unable to look up login name)

It works fine from the YP server. I tried looking through the FAC and didn't
see anything related, although I was sure that this would be a FAC. So, now
I'm resorting to the newsgroup.

Has anybody seen this message before? How can I let pine know who I am?

Please e-mail to [email protected], since I don't read this newsgroup
regularly. Thanks!

Jorge



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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(THINKfirst!) wrote:

> How can I accomplish this?
>
> A reply via e-mail would be preferred.  THANKS!!!

I would like a PUBLIC reply to this, please!


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John Waters - @ring.com writes in comp.mail.pine:
+  How can we set pine to forward mail to a different address? Can't find
+  anything in the online docs. ..... unless we are really just missing it!

Yes. Just create a ".forward" file in your account and include in it the
address to which you want to forward your mail.

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On 9 Jul 1995, Kathleen D. Neustadt wrote:

> I dial in from a DOS machine to a unix server (home to school).  I then
> use pine (version 3.89) to read and write.
>
> I want to be able to dial in, collect my mail, get off and read/reply
> without tying up my phone line or the school's.

Here's what I've done to automate downloading mail to my PC for
offline reading.  It's a bit of a Rube Goldberg patchwork, but,
hey, it works.

I dial into a Unix machine (local Internet access provider) from
my IBM-like PC.  My communications program (Hayes Smartcom for
Windows) has a script language, also it had a capture to disk
function.  On the Unix machine I use Pine 9.1, which has a
select command plus an aggregate command function (apply the same
Pine command to a set of selected messages).

Since I subscribe to several listservs, I have set up a script to
select and flag mail from each one and export them from my Pine
Inbox to separate files in my Unix directory.  I then go to the
Unix shell and run a script to open my PC disk capture files and
execute the Unix cat file command; as the exported mail files fly
by on the screen I capture them to my hard disk.

To go in reverse, I compose replys offline using the DOS edit.
When I want to send them, I use the autotype function of Pine, which
copies in my reply files as if I am typing them into Pine (but much
faster, of course).

All this may or may not apply to your situation, and you may or may
not want to duplicate it.  If you do and want more info, I would
be glad to assist.

Regards,
Phil



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From: "Vladimir Solnicky (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?=)" <[email protected]>
To: JOM <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: mailing list help
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X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08  Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic
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On 10 Jul 1995, JOM wrote:

> >: I run a mailing list with Pine and the addressbook. Is there a way to=
=20
> >: make each message I say start with=20
> >: =20
> >: From: Commo Mailing List <[email protected]>
>=20
> >: or similar? Thanks.
>=20
> >There is a simple way to do this.  Just set your personal name using=20
> >Pine's config feature.  just set it to Commo Mailing list.
>=20
> Making this more clear, regular mail goes through this mailbox too and I=
=20
> don't want to be changing it back and forth all the time.

So have two configuration files (.pinerc and for instance .mail-list and
for mailing list, start the pine with `-p $HOME/.mail-list' option.

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From: [email protected] (S. M. Zoltek)
Subject: Printing using PROCOMM for Windows 2.1 or later
Date: 9 Jul 1995 09:49:05 GMT
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A freind has asked me to enquire if anyone has encountered problems
printing when logging in over a modem and using pine to read mail.
Specifically, they have successfully useed PROCOMM for DOS to use
pine to read and print mail, but have not been able to do the same
with PROCOMM for windows, version 2.1 or higher -- I think I Have the
version number correct.

Of course they have selected "attached-to-ainsi."

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From: [email protected] (DANIEL PRINCE)
Subject: Re: How do I stop Pine from justifing ASCII uploads?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 19:34:08 GMT
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Jim LeBay ([email protected]) wrote:

: I've also found another way to reproduce this bug, for those of you who
: aren't lucky enough to use NextStep.  Use any(?) IBM-PC vt100 terminal
: emulation program, login to your UNIX box, run Pine or Pico, and do an
: ASCII upload of a UNIX-format text file.  I.e. text lines separated only
: by a single line-feed (0x0a), rather than DOS's normal CR-LF.

I discovered that it is the line feeds that are the problem.  Pico uses
control "J" for justify and control "J" is (0x0a) the same as a line
feed.  If you don't want Pico to justify what you upload you have to not
send any line feeds.


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To: [email protected]
From: Guido Bunsen <[email protected]>
Subject: help needed with imapd 3.6BETA on Solaris 2.4
Date: 11 Jul 1995 09:33:17 GMT
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Hello,

we compiled imapd 3.6 BETA on a sun with solaris 2.4.

It is possible to read the mailbox. But when the mailbox (/var/mail/user)
on the server has to be written to disk after usage the mailbox content
gets garbled.

We believe that the Problem is in the routine
bezerk_write_message in the file c-client/bezerk.c.
We believe that the writev systemcall causes the problem.

We get the following messages:

Jul 11 10:24:23 harry imapd[17064]: Retrying after disk error user=testuser
host=arielle.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE mbx=/var/mail/testuser: Invalid argument

Is this a known problem? Are there bug-fixes, workarounds or patches?

Sincerely,

Guido Bunsen



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From: [email protected] (Pete Holsberg)
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I was doing some sysadm chores as root today and executed a
"rm *" while I was in /var/mail. :-(

However I was surprised to find that the .addressbook files
for all users were zeroed out! Is that a function of pine
or ???

Pete


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From: Kirsten Richards <[email protected]>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:55:06 +0000
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I have accounts on two systems which offer pine.  On my unix system, pine
works beautifully and always has.  However, pine was recently installed on
my vax system and I'm having problems with the newsreader (same remote
newserver I use from the unix system).  Specifically, it won't let me
purge out the messages I've read with the 'D' key.  I've noticed some
other differences between pines on each system (such as fcc), and I'm
wondering if 'deleting' unwanted posts just isn't an option on the vax, if
I have something set up wrong, or if something is set up wrong system-wide
(a co-worker has the same problem).  My system administrators will not
deal with newsgroup related questions, only mail.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

K. Richards


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From: [email protected] (Cyrus Daboo)
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Hi,
I've been developing an IMAP client for the Macintosh called Mulberry. Its currently very close to completion. Its being beta tested by a number of people in the UK, but I'd quite like to have a few international beta testers as well, so if you'd like to test it please email me:

Cyrus Daboo <[email protected]>

Features include:

-Full drag & drop support for messages - you can drag messages between mailboxes to copy them etc., or drag to the Finder to create a clipping file.

-Can open multiple mailbox windows.

-Mailbox windows are fully configurable - you can choose which information to have displayed (e.g. message size, message sender, subject etc).

-Outgoing mail can be automatically recorded in any mailbox.



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On 6 Jul 1995, DANIEL PRINCE wrote:

> I finally figured out why Pico was justifying everything I ASCII
> uploaded.  It was because Telix was sending a CR LF at the end of each
> line.  LF is the same as control J which is the command Pico uses for
> justify.  One I told Telix to strip linefeeds everything worked correctly.
>
>

Makes sense.  obviously Telix is a DOS program, and left to itself, it
would conform to DOS conventions and put a CR and LF at the end of
each line.  I have had similar problems when uploading mail with
Commo, the com program I use.  I still say uploading and reading into
the message is much easier, but I guess each one has its merits.


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From: [email protected] (Kim Culhan)
Subject: Build problems on Solaris 2.4
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Has anyone built Pine3.91 on Solaris 2.4 ?

There are some problems with the makefile.sol, if anyone has worked around
these I would be very interested in hearing from you.

The origonal makefile.sol was for solaris 2.2 which, in the comments,
mentions it has /usr/ucb/cc which Solaris 2.4 does not appear to have.

Any help here is greatly appreciated.

kim

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From: [email protected] (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: IMAP Client for Mac - {Eudora?}
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:15:54 -0400
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[email protected] (Ted Eytan) wrote:
> I am seeking advice on a good IMAP client (ideally, a Eudora-esque, or
> even an IMAP-Eudora) and any information about IMAP vs. POP.  I have
> investigated Mailstrom which seems pretty antiquated (the U distributes v.
> 1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines.

Check out http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/cyrus/email/clients-IMAP.html for
a list of IMAP clients.  I've been a big fan of Eudora, but have started
using MailDrop, and while it's not as "featureful" as Eurodra, it seems to
work well enough.

A new entry in the field seems to be a commercial program called Simeon,
which I have no experience with.  They have their own WWW site (pointed to
from the page cited above), but it's pretty useless as far as information
content goes, and is pretty high on my list of "most badly designed WWW
pages I've ever seen" :-)

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From: [email protected] (The Shriminator)
Subject: Re: monthly moving of default-fcc stopped
Date: 10 Jul 1995 23:59:48 GMT
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Michele Decker writes in comp.mail.pine:

+  Well, I am looking for the answer to what you are experiencing now.  We
+  would like to 'turn OFF' the monthly folder moving option - Is this
+  possible?  We are running Version 3.90 Pine on our 4.3a Ultrix machine.

Look in your $HOME/.pinerc for the line below. Make the 95.7 to 99.9 and
then you won't be prompted till October 1999. What happens in 2000 AD if
you must ask, well 3.92 will be out by then. :)))))

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
# Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning.
last-time-prune-questioned=95.7

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Subject: Re: "Message shrank"
Date: 11 Jul 1995 00:41:59 GMT
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Rick Fonger writes in comp.mail.pine:

+  I sometimes get this message when trying to save mail to a specific
+  folder other than my inbox. How can I avoid this?

Are you using a POP mailclient (Eudora?) as well as Pine at the same time?
When you are using Pine to read mail from your inbox, if there's a POP
connection to your mailbox from your POP client, then it will extract mail
from your INBOX prompting Pine to notify you about "Message Shrank"

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Haven't you tried using the superkewl 'imap' for this? Comments ?

Nancy McGough writes in comp.mail.pine:
+  I have a couple accounts on one system and I'd like to be able
+  to access the mail folders in both these accounts using pine
+  running on one of the accounts.  When the folder is owned
+  by the userid that's running the pine process, there's no problem.
+  But if the folder is owned by another userid, pine is not able
+  to open the folder, even if it has the same group as the userid
+  running the process and has 660 permission, e.g.:

+  -rw-rw----  1 nancym  mcgough  blah blah blah    folder1
+  -rw-rw----  1 ii      mcgough  blah blah blah    folder2

+  I'm able to look at both folder1 and folder2 using less or more
+  but if I'm logged in as nancym and try to open folder2 using pine
+  I get this message:

+      [Not a folder: folder2]

+  It would be great if the next release of pine would let me open
+  a folder like this, but if you don't allow that it would be good
+  to give a more informative error message, e.g. "Not owned by you."

+  Thanks,
+  Nancy



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Hi All!

I'm new to setting up Pine (3.91), and have run into a problem getting it to
work on my RS/6000 AIX 3 system.

If the INBOX folder is empty when Pine is started, and Compose is selected
from the main menu or the folder list, then Pine hangs in the compose
screen with the cursor positioned on the "To:" field.

The hang does not occur if the user views any folder index before
attempting to Compose a message, or if the INBOX has at least one message.

This same problem occurs in the executable I built, and in the
pre-compiled one from U.W. (pine-bin.a32).  One hitch here is I'm still on
an older 3.0 something AIX.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.  Please reply directly, I'm
not on this list yet.

   -Wayne Cox     [email protected]


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Date: 10 Jul 1995 22:26:21 -0400
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I have two problems. First the easy one. Postpone does not seem to be
working, and it's a pain when I have cancel the message if I can't finish
it for some reason. Do I need to set a flag in the config area or
something to turn this on?

Second problem.. I use two internet accounts, and for a while, I would
email a file via Pine's attachment feature from one account to the other
and then d/l from the other site. Well, what happened was I uqwk'ed my
mailbox before I separated the attachment. So what I have is a plain
ascii text file of the message w/ the attachment. Is there anyway I can
recover the file? I tried just importing the msg, but that didn't work.
Although it's not anything vital, it would be nice to have it. :)


                STEve

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Subject: pico termcap problems?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:48:31 GMT
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This is a strange one.  I've got this Northern Telecom DisplayPhone
terminal I've been using as a console on a Sun 3/60.  It works fine
except for pico and rarely pine.

The terminal seems to be getting sent some bogus ESC commands and it's
flipping into a memory dump mode.  This causes the terminal to start
spewing quite a bit of info to the Sun.  Of course, pico starts seeing
this and responds with MORE garbage.  Eventually, the Sun gets sick of
this crap and hangs the terminal.  Since this is the console, pandemonium
ensues.  Needless to say, I don't run pico on the console.

I want to make this work.  I think it has something to do with the
termcap entry for the terminal.

I think pine behaves itself becauses it accepts the xon-xoff stuff via
the config settings.  pico doesn't seem to follow this.  Perhaps that's
the problem?

It's very likely this is some sort of terminal over-run issue.

Any and all suggestions are welcome, e-mail reponses preferred.

Thanks!

Bill

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To: [email protected] (Bill Kearney)
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In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "Bill Kearney" at Jul 11, 95 03:48:31 pm
Word-Of-The-Day: devotee
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>From [email protected]  Tue Jul 11 11:33:54 1995
>
>This is a strange one.  I've got this Northern Telecom DisplayPhone
>terminal I've been using as a console on a Sun 3/60.  It works fine
>except for pico and rarely pine.
>
>The terminal seems to be getting sent some bogus ESC commands and it's
>flipping into a memory dump mode.  This causes the terminal to start
>spewing quite a bit of info to the Sun.  Of course, pico starts seeing
>this and responds with MORE garbage.  Eventually, the Sun gets sick of
>this crap and hangs the terminal.  Since this is the console, pandemonium
>ensues.  Needless to say, I don't run pico on the console.
>
>I want to make this work.  I think it has something to do with the
>termcap entry for the terminal.
>
>I think pine behaves itself becauses it accepts the xon-xoff stuff via
>the config settings.  pico doesn't seem to follow this.  Perhaps that's
>the problem?
>
>It's very likely this is some sort of terminal over-run issue.
>
>Any and all suggestions are welcome, e-mail reponses preferred.
>

We had a problem with some wyze-30 terminals that use magic cookies to
emulate stuff like reverse video I think. Anyways, pico tried to do this
on a per character basis instead of per field, and extra spaces wound up
in the strings, causing line wraps and what not.

here are the diffs:
*** display.c.orig      Wed Jun 21 14:10:06 1995
--- display.c   Wed Jun 21 14:10:35 1995
***************
*** 2142,2154 ****
           buf++;
           (*term.t_rev)(1);
           pputc(*buf, 1);
-           (*term.t_rev)(0);
       }
       else{
           pputc(*buf, 0);
       }
     }
     while(*++buf != '\0');
     peeol();
     (*term.t_flush)();
 }
--- 2142,2155 ----
           buf++;
           (*term.t_rev)(1);
           pputc(*buf, 1);
       }
       else{
+             (*term.t_rev)(0);
           pputc(*buf, 0);
       }
     }
     while(*++buf != '\0');
+     (*term.t_rev)(0);
     peeol();
     (*term.t_flush)();
 }
***************
*** 2166,2171 ****
--- 2167,2173 ----
 {
     char *obufp, *p, fkey[4], linebuf[NLINE];
     int   row, slot, tspace, nspace[6], index, n;
+     extern int SG;

     /*
      * Calculate amount of space for the names column by column...
***************
*** 2214,2219 ****
--- 2216,2222 ----
                   *obufp++ = *p++;
               }

+               n -= SG;
               while(n-- > 0)
                 *obufp++ = ' ';

***************
*** 2222,2227 ****
--- 2225,2231 ----
               while(p && *p && n-- > 0)
                 *obufp++ = *p++;

+               n -= SG;
               while(n-- > 0)
                 *obufp++ = ' ';
           }
*** tcap.c.orig Wed Jun 21 14:09:52 1995
--- tcap.c      Wed Jun 21 14:10:35 1995
***************
*** 79,84 ****
--- 79,85 ----
 #define TCAPSLEN 315
 char tcapbuf[TCAPSLEN];
 char *UP, PC, *CM, *CE, *CL, *SO, *SE;
+ int SG;
 /*
  * PICO extentions
  */
***************
*** 166,171 ****
--- 167,174 ----
     CE = tgetstr("ce", &p);
     UP = tgetstr("up", &p);
     SE = tgetstr("se", &p);
+     SG = tgetnum("sg");
+     if (SG < 0) SG = 0;
     SO = tgetstr("so", &p);
     DL = tgetstr("dl", &p);
     AL = tgetstr("al", &p);
*** tinfo.c.orig        Wed Jun 21 14:09:59 1995
--- tinfo.c     Wed Jun 21 14:10:35 1995
***************
*** 82,87 ****
--- 82,88 ----
 static int      putpad();

 static char *UP, PC, *CM, *CE, *CL, *SO, *SE;
+ static int SG;
 /*
  * PICO extentions
  */
***************
*** 162,167 ****
--- 163,170 ----
     CE = tigetstr("el");
     UP = tigetstr("cuu1");
     SE = tigetstr("rmso");
+     SG = tigetnum("xmc");
+     if (SG < 0) SG = 0;
     SO = tigetstr("smso");
     DL = tigetstr("dl1");
     AL = tigetstr("il1");

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Cc: [email protected]
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On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Jaya Sreedharan wrote:

> Is  there an upper limit to the number of addresses we can have in a
> list.  One of our users is getting Bus Error. It used to work with 60
> addresses,  but it does not work now. No changes were made to pine.
> The OS was upgraded to Irix 5.3.
>

The "Bus Error" is probably coming from sendmail rather than Pine.  You
might try setting "smtp-server" in the Setup/Config screen.  Sometimes
sendmail will work better when invoked that way, or you can use a
different server entirely...

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From: [email protected]
Subject: ELM patches: IMAP, RELM
Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:29:27 GMT
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Wolfgang Friebel sent me mail about an available IMAP patch for Elm. It links
against the C-Client code in the PINE distribution, and is available as:

patch only              ftp.ifh.de:/pub/ftp/unix/mail/elm_imap.patch.tar.gz
ELM with patch applied  ftp.ifh.de:/pub/ftp/unix/mail/elm_imap-2.4.24.tar.gz


Perhaps this can be incorporated into Elm 2.5?


On a related subject, I have hacked on Elm 2.4pl23 to provide reasonably
secure behavior when run as "relm" instead of "elm". If there's a chance
that these changes could be incorporated into 2.5 (they're really pretty
minor, just adds a global 'restricted' variable and wraps several blocks
with if(!restricted) { ... }) then I'll take the time to make a patch file
and post/mail it.]

When run as "relm" it has the following slightly unconventional behavior:

       * reads global configuration from relmrc instead of elmrc
       * Does NOT create/use a personal elmrc or .elm directory, and thus
         users running "relm" can't change/save the configuration.
       * Does allow users to save messages to files, most administrators
         would probably want to disable this- make it a config. option?
       * Change folder is disabled since the command allows shell escapes
       * all pipe/shell and external viewer commands are disabled

I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to clean it up and make patches for a
few people, but I'm willing to put in the time for changes that can be
incorporated in the next release.
--
Kevin Kadow


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To: "Vladimir Solnicky (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?=)" <[email protected]>
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That might work. I'll do it. Thanks.

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From: [email protected] (Alan J Flavell)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] (The Shriminator) writes:

>John Waters - @ring.com writes in comp.mail.pine:
> +  How can we set pine to forward mail to a different address? Can't find
> +  anything in the online docs. ..... unless we are really just missing it!
>
>Yes. Just create a ".forward" file in your account and include in it the
>address to which you want to forward your mail.

Half right.  PINE itself does not handle automatic mail forwarding.
PINE is only the program that you, as a user, run in order to get
access to mail (it's a "user agent" in the jargon).

The .forward file is handled by your computer's mail system
(typically "sendmail"), not by PINE.  That's why you won't find
much about it in PINE's documentation.


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Is it possible to get a list of all the messages a listserve
gets in a given day? Or better yet, all the messages it gets from a
particular person in one given day?

Please CC to my e-mail address, as I don't have the opportunity to read
this newsgroup as much as I should. Thanks in advance for your help.

Charlie Bennett
[email protected]


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From: [email protected] (The Shriminator)
Subject: Re: Assistance w. Pine prob on AIX
Date: 12 Jul 1995 01:31:51 GMT
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Wayne Cox writes in comp.mail.pine:

+  If the INBOX folder is empty when Pine is started, and Compose is selected
+  from the main menu or the folder list, then Pine hangs in the compose
+  screen with the cursor positioned on the "To:" field.

What if you do type in an address at the To: field ?

+  The hang does not occur if the user views any folder index before
+  attempting to Compose a message, or if the INBOX has at least one message.
+  This same problem occurs in the executable I built, and in the
+  pre-compiled one from U.W. (pine-bin.a32).  One hitch here is I'm still on
+  an older 3.0 something AIX.

3.0 is buggy..... upgrade!

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Subject: Re: Please help! MIME attachment & Postpone problem
Date: 12 Jul 1995 01:45:16 GMT
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Steve Dambrowski writes in comp.mail.pine:
+  I have two problems. First the easy one. Postpone does not seem to be
+  working, and it's a pain when I have cancel the message if I can't finish
+  it for some reason. Do I need to set a flag in the config area or
+  something to turn this on?

Check in the default folder for postponed messages (postponed-msgs) to
see if you really have your postponed messages listed in there. If not
you might want to see if you have a file called ".pine-interrupted*"
file in your home dir. If you do find them, then delete them. Things
should get back to normal after that.

+  Second problem.. I use two internet accounts, and for a while, I would
+  email a file via Pine's attachment feature from one account to the other
+  and then d/l from the other site. Well, what happened was I uqwk'ed my
+  mailbox before I separated the attachment. So what I have is a plain
+  ascii text file of the message w/ the attachment. Is there anyway I can
+  recover the file? I tried just importing the msg, but that didn't work.
+  Although it's not anything vital, it would be nice to have it. :)

Check in to see if you still have a copy of the original mail in your
sent-mail folder within the account you sent the mail from.

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Aladdin Khamis ([email protected]) wrote:
Can somebody send me a sample copy for .procmailrc, that I can use under
pine to do mail filtering ?
                       Thankx


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Subject: Re: Change return address ("From:") in Pine
Date: 12 Jul 1995 03:21:28 GMT
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Paul Robinson ([email protected]) wrote:
: Mark Swearingen ([email protected]) wrote:
: : [email protected] (Trey Harris) writes:

: : I understand your concern re: deceptive e-mail and the problems it presents you
: : as a system administrator.  It was certainly not my intent to encourage
: : forgery.  However, for people who have more than one address at which they can
: : receive e-mail, it would be convenient to set the return address at one
: : location to the other address, so that all return mail came to one location.
: : Thus, there is a "legitimate" use for such a feature.

In this case, there is a customizable header line in your Pine config
area, put "Reply-To: " and the desired email address, that'll do it for you.


: : To get back to my original question, it would appear from your response that
: : Pine does not have a configuration option for setting the username on the
: : return address.  Thank you for that information.

: You can, you just have to recompile the source to allow the From: and
: Sender: headers to change.    Default is to not allow those to be changed.

How do you do this?   I am also interested...

: Then you have to add them to the set of optional headers.


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Subject: Re: how to define username ???
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Paul Robinson ([email protected]) wrote:
: ecramer ([email protected]) wrote:
: : I recently started using pine on Linux 1.2.1. Altough I like it,
: : there is one thing I can't figure out.
: : How to change the left-hand side from my <From:> header.
: : It's possible to set another domainname, so why isn't it possible
: : to set another username.
: : The only solution I could find is to add a user with the desired
: : username to my system and start pine beeing that user.
: : Can anybody help me :-(

: See if you can add 'From: [email protected]' as one of the headers, in either
: of the parameters of default-composer-hdrs or  customized-hdrs

: If you can't, then you have to recompile the source to Pine:

: 1. add the following

:    #define ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM

:    in file ./pine/osdep/os-xxx.h

:    where xxx is the 3-letter code for your machine

: 2. make pine

: 3. bring it up, and add the 'From: [email protected]' field to the
:    two items

What if you are just a user w/o root or priv access?

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Yes, indeed!  I would like a PUBLIC
reply to it as well, but I would
prefer an e-mail reply (both would
be ideal).  Thanks!


Aaron Dickey ([email protected]) wrote:
: In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
: (THINKfirst!) wrote:

: > How can I accomplish this?
: >
: > A reply via e-mail would be preferred.  THANKS!!!

: I would like a PUBLIC reply to this, please!
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This may seem like a stupid question but: how to you attach a file to a
message?
Please send all replies to my mailbox.
Thank you.
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>On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Kevin Krause wrote:
>
>> I want to use PINE with the windows' EWAN terminal emulator,
>> but of EWAN's 3 configuration options (VT100, VT52, and ANSI) PINE
>> recognizes none.  Is there a way to make these two programs run
together.

Go to Edit Configuration dialog box. Click on Emul. Options and change
the value "Emulation name" from "DEC-VT100" to "vt100".  Some UNIX
system won't recognize the "DEC-VT100" terminal type.

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From: [email protected] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)
Subject: Re: Address Book Zero'd Out ????
Date: 12 Jul 1995 05:39:02 GMT
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Pete Holsberg ([email protected]) wrote:
: I was doing some sysadm chores as root today and executed a
: "rm *" while I was in /var/mail. :-(
: However I was surprised to find that the .addressbook files
: for all users were zeroed out! Is that a function of pine
: or ???

Hhmmmm ... My guess is you were not in PINE you were in unix, and rm
filename means remove that filename and rm * means remove all files in the
directory.  There's one possible hope for recovery; The rm command does
not actually delete the file, it removes the link to the file.

Removing a link (or in your case a whole bunch of links) is not really
the same thing as deleting a file (as in DOS).

Bad news:  Now DOS has an undelete command, but unix doesna have an
unremove command.

Good news:  Removing a link is not really the same as deleting, there may
be more than one link to the file(s), and unix will not delete the actual
file until the last link is removed.

Bad news:  In most cases (and probably in yours) there is only one link
to a file, so removing this link deletes the file.

I'm gonna cross-post this to a unix comp group, and maybe someone else
can help you out, 'cause that's the extent of my knowledge, and maybe
someone else can take this further.  Hope this helps.  G'Day.

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Subject: Re: {Q} Can pine be set to forward mail?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 01:14:35 GMT
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Half Right ? Err....Ummm.... where did I say Pine does the forwarding ?
I just didn't elaborate on the differences between MTA and MUA as all
that is explained very clearly in the FAQ's posted here frequently.

Alan J Flavell writes in comp.mail.pine:

+  >Yes. Just create a ".forward" file in your account and include in it the
+  >address to which you want to forward your mail.
+
+  Half right.  PINE itself does not handle automatic mail forwarding.
+  PINE is only the program that you, as a user, run in order to get
+  access to mail (it's a "user agent" in the jargon).
+
+  The .forward file is handled by your computer's mail system
+  (typically "sendmail"), not by PINE.  That's why you won't find
+  much about it in PINE's documentation.

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Hi.

I haven't been able to locate an ftp site for pine/windows using archie,
looking at this newsgroup or using the search facility at cac.washington.
ANy kind person knows where it is?

Thanks in advance!!




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Subject: setting the REgion in Usenet
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How can I set the distribution of messages in Usenet when I'm within Pine?
I have some want ads that I don't want tto end up in Australia.
Can the Pine wizards respond to my address as well as here?
(picky..huh?)

Thank you, virtual lumberjacks.

mark crane



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From: Icewolf <icewolf@marie>
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:06:15 +0200
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Hello friends,

I know, AIX 1.2 is really old, but it is running here (maybe for years
..sniff!). So, is it possible to get Pine running on this old 386 IBM PS/2?

Thanks in advance

Ciao
       Holger



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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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To: "M. Crane" <[email protected]>
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Usenet News articles can be restricted to particular collections of news
servers by including and setting a header line in your article of the form:

       Distribution: identifier

Note that you can't just pick any old thing for "identifier".  Basically
it must be something that your (and other, if appropriate) news servers
understand.  For example most news servers understand not to pass "local"
articles beyond your own site.  Similarly "world" (the default if the
header is omitted) go everywhere.  However whether a news server decides
to pass on your article depends upon it recognising the identifier, and
being configured appropriately.

So you need to persuade Pine to allow you to include an additional
"Distribution:" header when you compose a message/article.

This is achieved in the same way as for other headers such as
"Reply-to:".  Specifically:

*  In Pine 3.91 go to the Setup Configuration screen (S then C from the
Main Menu).

*  Move down to the "customized-hdrs" variable.

*  Add a new header by typing "A".  As the value enter:
       Distribution:
  and press Return.
  (You can actually set up a default value that will always be used --
  unless you change it within the message -- by including it after the
  ":".  For example,
       Distribution: local
  )

*  Leave the Setup Configuration screen by typing "E".

*  Now when you compose a message you can see this additional header
(along with some extra standard ones) by placing the cursor on any of the
usual header fields and type Ctrl/R (Rich Headers).  You can then give or
modify the value for the "Distribution:" field value.

Note that if you set up a default value for the field you do NOT need to
type Ctrl/R for the header to be used.  Ctrl/R merely *shows* you the
headers and allows you to change them.

I would suggest NOT giving "Distribution:" a default value -- leave it
blank.  This is because it doesn't make much sense for any e-mail
messages you send, and it would be better to add a value only for
appropriate Usenet News articles you're posting.

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, M. Crane wrote:

> How can I set the distribution of messages in Usenet when I'm within Pine?
> I have some want ads that I don't want tto end up in Australia.
> Can the Pine wizards respond to my address as well as here?
> (picky..huh?)
>
> Thank you, virtual lumberjacks.
>
> mark crane
>


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Does anyone know of a PINE or POP mailer for OpenVMS (not alpha)??

Thanks
Lorraine L. Goff, CDRP   VMS System Manager   [email protected]
113 Math Sciences        phone: 405/744-6301  fax: 405/744-7562
Oklahoma State University,  Stillwater, OK 74078-0606
*** Life in the fast lane is difficult for turtles. ***
Lorraine L. Goff, CDRP   VMS System Manager   [email protected]
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Lorraine L. Goff) writes:

>Does anyone know of a PINE or POP mailer for OpenVMS (not alpha)??

I don't know about that specific combination, but there is a
commercial port of PINE included in the PMDF package, or there
is a free port of PINE by Yehavi Bourvine in Israel, and you can
read my experiences with it and pointers to the package itself
and further information :

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/%7Eflavell/vms-pine.html

I've no reason to suppose it wouldn't build with your
particular platform.  You don't say which TCP/IP you are
using: if it isn't Multinet then you'll also need a free
network library package called NETLIB.


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       Sorry to ask such a silly question...

       But how does one view the full headers on incoming
       messages?

       Thanks in advance.

--

 [email protected]



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Subject: Garbled text
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Summary:
Keywords:
X-Newsreader: TIN �version 1.2 PL2�

Subject: Garbled text
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Summary:
Keywords:
X-Newsreader: TIN �version 1.2 PL2�

Whenever I send message that include text imported from an ASCII file
(edited by 'pico'), I see it ok on screen but most of the people who
receive such message, get it garbled with '=20' at the end of lines.

Another problem:
Sometimes after running the 'spell' process, attempting to 'perform take
address' on more than 50 addresses, Pine terminates stating there is a bug.
Why does this happen and how can I get back without loosing
what I was working on.

Please reply directly to my account.
...................................................
Michael Haephrati                                .
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From: "Kathleen D. Neustadt" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Printing using PROCOMM for Windows 2.1 or later
To: "S. M. Zoltek" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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I use QuickLink II and the only problem I have is if I get to fast with
the fingers.  i.e.  I don't wait for it to finish printing to my local
printer.  Then it doesn't seem to turn the print off.  I have to quit out
of Pine and go back in.  Also the screen scrolls off into never never land.

Kathy
[email protected]

On 9 Jul 1995, S. M. Zoltek wrote:

> A freind has asked me to enquire if anyone has encountered problems
> printing when logging in over a modem and using pine to read mail.
> Specifically, they have successfully useed PROCOMM for DOS to use
> pine to read and print mail, but have not been able to do the same
> with PROCOMM for windows, version 2.1 or higher -- I think I Have the
> version number correct.
>
> Of course they have selected "attached-to-ainsi."
>
> --
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Pine for windows..where?
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It is at ftp.cac.washington.edu in the /pine/pcpine directory...

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email protected]  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 11 Jul 1995 [email protected] wrote:

> Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:21:28 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Pine for windows..where?
>
> Hi.
>
> I haven't been able to locate an ftp site for pine/windows using archie,
> looking at this newsgroup or using the search facility at cac.washington.
> ANy kind person knows where it is?
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Mahesh Kumar Bagade)
Subject: I need a nice public domain mail tool for PC
Date: 12 Jul 1995 14:25:02 GMT
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Hello All,

I am looking for a nice public domain mail tool for my PC. The current tool
"Eudora" is OK but it has it's own limitations.


I want to be able to do the following things with it on a my PC:

* Should be able to send mail out without any problems.

* Should have aliasing capability including alias for aliases.

* Should be able to insert files in the message area from any of my
  directories on my PC and be able to edit it while I am composing messages.

* Should have the ability to beep me when the mail arrives.

* Should have folders capability.

* Should have multiple signatures appending capability

* Any other fancy features are welcome.

Any help in this regards is much appreciated. Also, a direct mail will be
greatly appreciated.

----
Mahesh Bagade
[email protected]



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Tuesday, 11 July 1995

Since yesterday I am experienceing an anamoly with Linux-based PINE.  I sent
e-mail from my VAX VMS account at school to my Linux account.  I login
sucessfully into my Linux account, and it reports that I have new mail.
However, I go into PINE to view the new mail, and I get messages similar to
"Message 0 of 0" within PINE.

My mail is on my Linux account, but PINE will not show it to me.  I know it is
on my Linux account-- somewhere.  I just do not know where else to look.  It
should be in the /var/spool/mail/xxxxx directory (xxxxx = username), but bash
(Bourne-again shell) tell me that xxxxx is not a directory.

How can I get PINE back to normal so that it recognizes my incoming mail?  I
would greatly appreciate whatever help you can provide me, and I thank you in
advance for that help.

Very respectfully,

Martin Cubas ([email protected]) <=- VAX
            ([email protected]) <=- Linux



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/var/spool/mail/xxxxx is usually a file rather than a directory, so you
might double-check that.  Also check the "inbox-path" in the Setup/Config
screen.  If there is a value there, try deleting it...

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email protected]  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 11 Jul 1995, Help Desk Technical Assistant wrote:

> Date: 11 Jul 95 16:36:34 -0500
> From: Help Desk Technical Assistant <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: PINE and an e-mail anamoly
>
> Tuesday, 11 July 1995
>
> Since yesterday I am experienceing an anamoly with Linux-based PINE.  I sent
> e-mail from my VAX VMS account at school to my Linux account.  I login
> sucessfully into my Linux account, and it reports that I have new mail.
> However, I go into PINE to view the new mail, and I get messages similar to
> "Message 0 of 0" within PINE.
>
> My mail is on my Linux account, but PINE will not show it to me.  I know it is
> on my Linux account-- somewhere.  I just do not know where else to look.  It
> should be in the /var/spool/mail/xxxxx directory (xxxxx = username), but bash
> (Bourne-again shell) tell me that xxxxx is not a directory.
>
> How can I get PINE back to normal so that it recognizes my incoming mail?  I
> would greatly appreciate whatever help you can provide me, and I thank you in
> advance for that help.
>
> Very respectfully,
>
> Martin Cubas ([email protected]) <=- VAX
>              ([email protected]) <=- Linux
>
>

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is it possible to use slocal in conjunction with pine to sort mail into
different incoming folders? any help would be appreciated.

much obliged,

michael


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On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Michael Spivak wrote:

> This may seem like a stupid question but: how to you attach a file to a
> message?
> Please send all replies to my mailbox.
> Thank you.
> [email protected]

If you want to attach it as text so that it appears as part of your
message then you can simply hit ^R for Read File when the cursor is in the
"Message Text" field of your outgoing message. Pine will paste the
contents of the file into your message. It will appear as text, as if you
had typed it in. If you want the file to appear as a MIME encoded
attachment, (a coded file which is held separately from the text --
appropriate for GIFs, binaries, LARGE text files, etc.) then move the
cursor up into the header area of the message and enter the file name into
the Attchmnt: line. It's that simple!


                               Ian



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Hi,

Is there a way to convert pine aliases to the .mailrc format?  My real
goal is to move my aliases from pine on my unix account to Eudora on my
mac.

I would appreciate a CC by email.

Thanks,
-mike

--
Michael Cheney                         [email protected]

http://www.seas.ucla.edu/~cheney


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Is there a utility to convert Mail style aliases to a pine .address?



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I mail from have several accounts, but I want all the replies to come to the
same account.

I can change the domain name, but I can't figure out how to change the
username.

Thanks,
Paul.



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when someone who is using the emacs mail tool, RMAIL, wants to switch to
pine, how can he stop the mail from going into the RMAIL file?
(right now the mail goes to both the pine files and
the RMAIL files. When the RMAIL file is read the pine files are closed
and emptied...)

==========================================
Neta Weinryb
RADVision Ltd., ISRAEL
[email protected]



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Is there anyway of posting articles with an e-mail program? What is the
ordinary
way of posting articles?
Thanx.



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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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Forgetting about Pine for a moment...

The usual way of reading and sending e-mail messages is to use a mailer
program.  This lets you read messages that have been delivered to your
mail file on your computer, and to send messages out (usually directly or
indirectly using the SMTP protocol).

Usenet News is slightly different in that articles don't get delivered to
a personal file "just for you".  Instead they are held in a central,
shared directory.  They then can be accessed directly by a news reading
program as part of the normal filestore, or by the special news protocol
"NNTP".

Now for Pine...

Pine is an integrated mailer and news reader program.  It attempts to
provide a consistent, coherent interface so that whether you are reading,
sending or replying to e-mail or news articles it "feels" the same.  And
overall it does a pretty good job; we have many users here who probably
wouldn't have got into Usenet News if they'd had the hurdle of learning
yet another program whilst also battling the newsgroups themselves.

So, if you're asking "can I send Usenet News articles using a mail
program" then the answer is "Yes".  Pine will let you read and post
articles using the NNTP protocol, assuming you have access to a news
server that allows you to both read and post articles.

However in some cases people only have access to news servers that allow
them to _read_ news (not post their own articles).  For example, it may
be a limited service available to people not working at a particular
establishment.

If this is your case, then the question becomes "can I send an e-mail
message somewhere to get it magically converted into an article in a
newsgroup?"  The answer is again yes... you will need to send the message
to a Mail-to-News gateway computer.  Typically a newsgroup with name
       comp.sys.blah
could be reached as
       [email protected]

Note the change of the "."s to "-"s.

The nitty gritty is where such machines are.  I know there are some
publiclly useable ones....  but their addresses elude my memory at
present.  Perhaps someone else can remember?  (Wasn't one run by DEC?)

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On 12 Jul 1995, Michael Schmitz wrote:

> Is there anyway of posting articles with an e-mail program? What is the
> ordinary
> way of posting articles?
> Thanx.
>


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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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To: David Kirk <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Viewing the Headers...
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It's a two-stage process...

First (using Pine 3.91) you need to enable an extra command for diaplying
the full headers.  You do this by going into the Setup Configuration
screen (S then C from the Main Menu).  Now move down to
"enable-full-header-cmd" and make sure it is crossed.  Leave the Setup
Configuration Screen by typing E (Exit).

Now when you're reading a message an extra command is available to you.
The "H" command will now display the message with full headers.  Another
"H" hides them again.

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On 12 Jul 1995, David Kirk wrote:

>       Sorry to ask such a silly question...
>
>       But how does one view the full headers on incoming
>       messages?
>
>       Thanks in advance.
>
> --
>
>   [email protected]


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From: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
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To: Michael Haephrati <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Michael Haephrati wrote:

> Whenever I send message that include text imported from an ASCII file
> (edited by 'pico'), I see it ok on screen but most of the people who
> receive such message, get it garbled with '=20' at the end of lines.

This is because your message text includes one or both of these:

       *  At least one character with an ASCII code out of the "usual"
          range (32 through 126).
       *  At least one Very Long (several hundred?) characters long.

When either of these is true the message text is encoded using "Quoted
Printable" encoding, a part of the MIME specification.

When triggered Quoted Printable protects certain characters.  For example,
       *  "Funny" characters are sent as "=XX", where "XX" is their ASCII
          character code expressed in hexadecimal.
       *  Spaces at ends of lines or wrapped lines get protected ("=20").
       *  Certain control characters normally accepted (eg, Tab) get
          protected (Tab becomes "=09").

If the recipient is using a MIME-aware mailer then the Quoted Printable
encoding is automagically undone before the message text is displayed in
its original glory.  However if the recipient isn't using a MIME-aware
mailer they get to see all the "=XX" stuff.

One solution is for the sender to make sure they don't trigger Quoted
Printable encoding when they send the message.  Another solution is for
the recipient to move to a modern MIME-aware mailer.  :-)

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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From: [email protected] (Chris Stoddart)
Subject: Pine on several DEC Alphas?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 09:06:03 GMT
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Hi,

I've just been trying to install Pine 3.91 on a cluster of DEC Alphas running
OSF/1, and I can't quite get it to work right. Here is the situation: Several
workstations are connected to a serverto which incoming mail is delivered.
Users $HOME directories are NFS-mounted from the server, but the incoming
mailbox /var/spool/mail/$USER is local to each machine.

Now when Pine starts up on any machine I want it to look in the INBOX on the
server for that person. This means using imapd. I've tried installing imapd
on the server and even on the client, but when you start Pine connection from
one of the client machines I get the message 'connection refused'.

Anybody got any idea about this? The server definitely knows about the client
because they are NFS-sharing disks :-) The Pine technical notes say something
about using rimap, but I can't follow this at all. I am using a pine.conf.fixed
file on each machine to tell it where to look for the INBOX. Could the syntax
of this be causing problems? (if I use a clients pine.conf.fixed on the server,
then the server refuses connection to it's own INBOX!)

In short has anyone set up a Unix cluster in this way? How have you done it?!!
I'd be very (very) grateful for your ideas.

Chris Stoddart
Dept. of Physics
The Open University
Milton Keynes
U.K.


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From: Sven Guckes <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: I need a nice public domain mail tool for PC
Date: 13 Jul 1995 09:13:10 GMT
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First off:   Let "mailer" mean "mail user agent".

[email protected] (Mahesh Kumar Bagade) writes:
>I am looking for a nice public domain mail tool for my PC.
>I want to be able to do the following things with it on a my PC:
> * Should be able to send mail out without any problems.

If it's a mailer then it should not have any problems with mails, right?

> * Should have aliasing capability including alias for aliases.

"alias" and "group alias".
Most mailers do that now.

> * Should be able to insert files in the message area from any of my
>   directories on my PC and be able to edit it while I am composing messages.

That's an "editor" issue.
Granted, a mailer might have an "internal editor", but why reinvent the wheel?

> * Should have the ability to beep me when the mail arrives.

This depends on how mail arrives on your PC.
It should thus be bound to the program which receives the mail (MTA).
The mailer should not be used for that.  Otherwise you'd have to keep the
mailer running all the time - not good as the mailer probably does a lot more
than just check the mailbox and thus requires a lot more RAM than a simply
utility.

> * Should have folders capability.

You mean "save a mail to a file"?
Have you ever seen a mailer who doesn't have this?

> * Should have multiple signatures appending capability

Now, this isn't something a mailer is for.  Use a script to do that!
Better yet - don't use a signature at all.

I think this is a general request about a mailer so I have set
"Followup-To: comp.mail.misc".
I'm sure both ELM and PINE will have all the capabilities you want.
Just install a UNIXish system (eg LINUX) on your PC and you can install both
and select the better one.
I also left out "zmail" from the newsgroups list as I dunno whether it applies.

Sven


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Ralf Wenzel ([email protected]) wrote:
> On 9 Jul 1995, Alan Summer wrote:

> > I have a copy of the Pine user-guide, but it does
> > not answer my question of how, to establish a
> > signature for my e-mail. Can someone help?

> First: I'm sorry, but my english ist very bad!!!!
> I don't know if i really understand your question, because it seems a
> very simple problem (->online help). You have to save a file (name:
> .signature) in your home-directory. Or you choose another name and configure
> to the setup. Or use control+R (Read File).

Also you may need to configue you .pinerc file in you home directory as below:
localsignature=~/.signature
remotesignature = ~/.signature

Martin

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My usual favorite user reports that he has problems eXpunging a largish
folder using Winpine. I have attached his brief report, and a message
from him including the pinedebg.txt.


=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected]      0-1223-334713   +44-1223-334713

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I get 'abnormal program termination' on tidying a folder with a large
number of deleted (say 60) and undeleted (say over 100) messages.

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> I presume it is repeatable? I am sure that if so they will want the debug
> info (pinedebg.txt)

Looks as tho' it may be faulty conversion from Phx!

=====================

Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2).  Version 3.91
Thu Jul 13 10:11:26 1995

reading_pinerc "C:\pine\pinerc"
Read 6521 characters:
======= Current_val options set =======
         user-domain : hermes.cam.ac.uk
         smtp-server : smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk
         nntp-server : nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk
          inbox-path : {imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk}INBOX
  folder-collections : pc c:\pine\mail\[]
                     : staff-server f:\pine\mail\[]
                     : hermes {imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk}mail/[]
         default-fcc : savemail
    postponed-folder : postpond
      mail-directory : mail
 read-message-folder : savemail
      signature-file : pine.sig
        address-book : addrbook
        feature-list : expanded-view-of-folders
                     : quit-without-confirm
                     : enable-full-header-cmd
                     : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                     : include-header-in-reply
                     : include-text-in-reply
                     : enable-aggregate-command-set
default-composer-hdr : To
                     : Cc
                     : Subject
     customized-hdrs : Reply-to: [email protected]
 saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
       fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
            sort-key : arrival
  addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
              editor : notepad
use-only-domain-name : no
             printer : attached-to-ansi
    standard-printer : lpr
last-time-prune-ques : 95.7
   last-version-used : 3.91
       bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
        bugs-address : [email protected]
      elm-style-save : no
     header-in-reply : no
       feature-level : sapling
     old-style-reply : no
      save-by-sender : no
         newsrc-path : C:\pine\NEWSRC
    folder-extension : MTX
normal-foreground-co : black
normal-background-co : cyan
reverse-foreground-c : black
reverse-background-c : white
           font-name : Courier New
           font-size : 11
          font-style : ""
     window-position : 85x28+18+52
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (C:\pine\pinerc) =======
       personal-name : Chris Cheney
             user-id : cjc1
         user-domain : hermes.cam.ac.uk
         smtp-server : smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk
         nntp-server : nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk
          inbox-path : {imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk}INBOX
  folder-collections : pc c:\pine\mail\[]
                     : staff-server f:\pine\mail\[]
                     : hermes {imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk}mail/[]
         default-fcc : savemail
 read-message-folder : savemail
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                     : quit-without-confirm
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                     : include-header-in-reply
                     : include-text-in-reply
                     : enable-aggregate-command-set
default-composer-hdr : To
                     : Cc
                     : Subject
     customized-hdrs : Reply-to: [email protected]
              editor : notepad
last-time-prune-ques : 95.7
   last-version-used : 3.91
normal-foreground-co : black
normal-background-co : cyan
reverse-foreground-c : black
reverse-background-c : white
           font-name : Courier New
           font-size : 11
          font-style : ""
     window-position : 85x28+18+52
======= Global_val options set (pinerc) =======
          inbox-path : inbox
         default-fcc : sentmail
    postponed-folder : postpond
      mail-directory : mail
      signature-file : pine.sig
        address-book : addrbook
 saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
       fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
            sort-key : arrival
  addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
use-only-domain-name : no
             printer : attached-to-ansi
    standard-printer : lpr
       bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
        bugs-address : [email protected]
      elm-style-save : no
     header-in-reply : no
       feature-level : sapling
     old-style-reply : no
      save-by-sender : no
         newsrc-path : C:\pine\NEWSRC
    folder-extension : MTX
======= Fixed_val options set (NO FIXED) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
 no-assume-slow-link
 no-auto-move-read-msgs
 no-auto-open-next-unread
 no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
 no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
 no-delete-skips-deleted
 no-disable-config-cmd
 no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
 no-disable-password-cmd
 no-disable-update-cmd
    enable-aggregate-command-set
    enable-alternate-editor-cmd
 no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
 no-enable-bounce-cmd
 no-enable-flag-cmd
    enable-full-header-cmd
 no-enable-incoming-folders
 no-enable-jump-shortcut
 no-enable-mail-check-cue
 no-enable-suspend
 no-enable-tab-completion
 no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd
 no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
    expanded-view-of-folders
 no-expunge-without-confirm
 no-include-attachments-in-reply
    include-header-in-reply
    include-text-in-reply
 no-news-approximates-new-status
 no-news-post-without-validation
 no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
 no-preserve-start-stop-characters
 no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
    quit-without-confirm
 no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
 no-save-will-not-delete
 no-save-will-advance
 no-select-without-confirm
 no-show-selected-in-boldface
 no-signature-at-bottom
 no-use-current-dir
 no-use-function-keys
Userid: cjc1
Fullname: "Chris Cheney"
User domain name being used "hermes.cam.ac.uk"
Local Domain name being used "csi.cam.ac.uk"
Host name being used "cjc-pc.csi.cam.ac.uk"
Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"hermes.cam.ac.uk"
Context c:\pine\mail\[] type: LOCAL
Context c:\pine\mail\[] type: LOCAL
Context f:\pine\mail\[] type: LOCAL
Context {imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk}mail/[] type: REMOTE
Context *{nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk/nntp}[] type: REMOTE BBOARD OLDTECH
About to open folder "INBOX"    inbox: "INBOX"
IMAP mm_notify NIL : {imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk}INBOX : black.csi.cam.ac.uk IMAP2bis Service 7.4(70) at Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:11:35 +0100 (BST)
Opened folder "{imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk}INBOX" with 50 messages
Sorting by Arrival
IMAP 10:11 7/13 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd
- mailcap_free -


   ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----
=== folder_screen called ====
- mailcap_free -


   ---- FOLDER SCREEN ----
IMAP 10:11 7/13 mm_log babble: lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4 22-Dec-93 ready (posting ok).
About to open folder "DEFAULT"    inbox: "INBOX"
Close - saved inbox state: max 50
Opened folder "C:\PINE\MAIL\DEFAULT" with 576 messages
Sorting by Arrival


---- MAIL INDEX ----


---- INDEX MANAGER ----
IMAP 10:11 7/13 mm_log parse: Junk at end of group: @phx.cam.ac.uk
IMAP 10:11 7/13 mm_log parse: Junk at end of address: @phx.cam.ac.uk


 -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
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IMAP 10:13 7/13 mm_log parse: Junk at end of address: @phx.cam.ac.uk
IMAP 10:13 7/13 mm_log parse: Junk at end of group: @phx.cam.ac.uk
IMAP 10:13 7/13 mm_log parse: Junk at end of address: @phx.cam.ac.uk
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---- INDEX MANAGER ----

- expunge -
Want_to read: y (121)
IMAP 10:18 7/13 mm_log babble: Expunged 80 messages
expunge complete cur:61 max:496
Sorting by Arrival
about to end_tty_driver
Pine Panic: Bad msgno in mail_fetchstructure

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From [email protected]  Thu Jul 13 03:28:18 1995
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I am attaching the document. Please let me know how can I change it so I
will be able to include it in email messages sent by Pine.

-Michael.
On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Michael Haephrati wrote:
>
> > Whenever I send message that include text imported from an ASCII file
> > (edited by 'pico'), I see it ok on screen but most of the people who
> > receive such message, get it garbled with '=20' at the end of lines.
>
> This is because your message text includes one or both of these:
>
>       *  At least one character with an ASCII code out of the "usual"
>          range (32 through 126).
>       *  At least one Very Long (several hundred?) characters long.
>
> When either of these is true the message text is encoded using "Quoted
> Printable" encoding, a part of the MIME specification.
>
> When triggered Quoted Printable protects certain characters.  For example,
>       *  "Funny" characters are sent as "=XX", where "XX" is their ASCII
>          character code expressed in hexadecimal.
>       *  Spaces at ends of lines or wrapped lines get protected ("=20").
>       *  Certain control characters normally accepted (eg, Tab) get
>          protected (Tab becomes "=09").
>
> If the recipient is using a MIME-aware mailer then the Quoted Printable
> encoding is automagically undone before the message text is displayed in
> its original glory.  However if the recipient isn't using a MIME-aware
> mailer they get to see all the "=XX" stuff.
>
> One solution is for the sender to make sure they don't trigger Quoted
> Printable encoding when they send the message.  Another solution is for
> the recipient to move to a modern MIME-aware mailer.  :-)
>
> Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
>

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Michael Haephrati                                .
69 Jabotinsky st. Givatayim 53319 ISRAEL         .
Phone/Fax: + 972 3 315 967                       .
Email: [email protected]                    .
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Subject: Pine on UNISYS
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Has anyone installed Pine on a UNISYS box. Could you provide me with some compiler falgs, etc hat might help.  PICO compiles fine, but Pine blows up.

Thanks for the info,

Mike Nibeck
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Ummm...... Pine doesn't have "localsignature" and "remotesignature"
variables to configure, at least not in a standard release of Pine 3.91.
Are you thinking of Elm?

For Pine, there is one variable, called "signature-file", which specifies
the name of the file to be used as a signature.  On UNIX this defaults to
a file called ".signature" in your home directory.

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email protected]>
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On 13 Jul 1995, Forrest Gump wrote:

> Ralf Wenzel ([email protected]) wrote:
> > On 9 Jul 1995, Alan Summer wrote:
>
> > > I have a copy of the Pine user-guide, but it does
> > > not answer my question of how, to establish a
> > > signature for my e-mail. Can someone help?
>
> > First: I'm sorry, but my english ist very bad!!!!
> > I don't know if i really understand your question, because it seems a
> > very simple problem (->online help). You have to save a file (name:
> > .signature) in your home-directory. Or you choose another name and configure
> > to the setup. Or use control+R (Read File).
>
> Also you may need to configue you .pinerc file in you home directory as below:
> localsignature=~/.signature
> remotesignature = ~/.signature
>
> Martin
>
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Howdy folks,

I someone could give me some direction, I would greatly appreciate it.
I am presently setting up a Unixware machine that for now is a
standalone machine.  However, since I dislike mail and mailx, I want
to have pine running.  I found that I had to link /usr/ucblib/sendmail to
/usr/lib/sendmail and set the domainname.  However the mail never gets
sent.  Typing in a user name in the "to:" field expands to
[email protected].  But upon attempting to a message to another
user on the machine, it is returned because it cannot find the host.

Does anybody out there have this done?  Perhaps I need to set a few
things in the sendmail.cf file.

Thanks for all your help in advance.

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>I've no reason to suppose it wouldn't build with your
>particular platform.  You don't say which TCP/IP you are
>using: if it isn't Multinet then you'll also need a free
>network library package called NETLIB.

Has support for VMSMail transport been removed from the latest (free)
version of Pine?  I'm still running v3.89 (if it ain't broke...), and I
didn't even bother with Netlib--you can tell Pine to call VMS Mail to send
outbound messages.  There are a few drawbacks -- you can't use IMAP or POP
servers, you can't read news, and you can't speak properly to LISTPROC due
to a problem with headers, but it lets me read and send mail without any
trouble at all.  I've heard that it's a bit slower this way, but I haven't
noticed any problems.  If all you need is inbound-outbound mail, just set it
up to run with VMS mail and avoid the headaches.

For reference, I'm running Pine VMS Pine 3.89beta under VMS 5.5 on a 7-node
cluster with UCX on 6 nodes and a third-party TCPIP package on the seventh.
We're also running PMDF, but the PMDF version of Pine is not installed.

       Tom
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I use PINE on a UNIX system (world.std.com). I would like to
download a selected PINE mail folder (e.g. to-reply-later) to
my DOS pc and then convert the folder to a dbase file.

Presently I must use Delrina's "Internet Messenger" to direct
dial (rather than telnet) world.std.com, then "Internet
Messenger" downloads the messages to my pc and stores them in
dbase III compatible files. Hence the conversion of mail
folders to dbase files is technically possible.

How can I convert a PINE mail folder to a dbase file without
using "Internet Messenger" ?

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From: [email protected] (Karl Harrison)
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Date: 13 Jul 1995 15:04:07 GMT
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Roy Smith ([email protected]) wrote:
: [email protected] (Ted Eytan) wrote:
: > I am seeking advice on a good IMAP client (ideally, a Eudora-esque, or
: > even an IMAP-Eudora) and any information about IMAP vs. POP.  I have
: > investigated Mailstrom which seems pretty antiquated (the U distributes v.
: > 1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines.


: A new entry in the field seems to be a commercial program called Simeon,
: which I have no experience with.  They have their own WWW site (pointed to
: from the page cited above), but it's pretty useless as far as information
: content goes, and is pretty high on my list of "most badly designed WWW
: pages I've ever seen" :-)

If thought that was bad, then you should have seen their most un-"Macintosh"
like program Mac ECSMail which is the fore-runner to this Simeon. I tested
for my old University the Mac Beta 2.x version of ESCMail and it was a very
sad copy of the MS Windows based IMAP client program. I have not tried
testing Simeon though I do still hope for the best...... However, my
current University denies a Macintosh version exists, so I'll have to
wait and see.

I currently use Mail Drop, which is very good though still lacks the
multiple mailbox feature.

Karl

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In article <[email protected]>,
  Nancy McGough <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Supak Lailert) writes:
>>Go to Edit Configuration dialog box. Click on Emul. Options and change
>>the value "Emulation name" from "DEC-VT100" to "vt100".  Some UNIX
>>system won't recognize the "DEC-VT100" terminal type.

>I've also had problems with dec-vt100.  On my version of Ewan (1.052)
>the Options:Configuration:Emulation choices are:

>  DEC-VT100
>  DEC-VT52
>  ANSI

Just select DEC-VT100 and do the followings..

You can change the emulation name in Options:Configuration:Emul.
Options:Emulation Name. For example, you can rename DEC-VT100 to "vt100"
or whatever. By doing this, when EWAN connect to remote machine, it'll
tell remote machine that it is using "vt100" emulation instead of the
default name "DEC-VT100".

It works fine for me now.

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Supak Lailert



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Hi,

I've compiled up Pine on an SGI Indy under Irix 5.3, and also under
SunOS4.1.3 OK.   I'm working on pine 3.91.

However, our mail spool is on the Sun, and when exported to the SGI
machine the Indy pine hangs on opening the spool, presumably a problem
with locking the file.

Is this a known problem with Pine, or just generic with Sun/SGI mounts?

Comments/fixes (maybe some option on the SGI fstab entry for the
mail spool mount?) welcome.

I guess the answer is I should be using IMAP :)

Cheers,
Tim


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From: [email protected] (Mark Roseman)
Subject: Re: IMAP Client for Mac - {Eudora?}
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Roy Smith ([email protected]) wrote:
>: A new entry in the field seems to be a commercial program called Simeon,
>: which I have no experience with.  They have their own WWW site (pointed to
>: from the page cited above), but it's pretty useless as far as information
>: content goes, and is pretty high on my list of "most badly designed WWW
>: pages I've ever seen" :-)

and then Karl Harrison <[email protected]> wrote:
>If thought that was bad, then you should have seen their most un-"Macintosh"
>like program Mac ECSMail which is the fore-runner to this Simeon. I tested
>for my old University the Mac Beta 2.x version of ESCMail and it was a very
>sad copy of the MS Windows based IMAP client program. I have not tried
>testing Simeon though I do still hope for the best...... However, my
>current University denies a Macintosh version exists, so I'll have to
>wait and see.

the mac 2.x was as you say, a rotten (and never working) cheap port
of a windows interface, and i'm glad it was never really released..
it was so far from "the right thing" its not funny.

the new simeon interface is much better; in fact the entire metaphor
was borrowed straight from the mac finder (the hierarchical list view).
it is a much nicer system and much more consistent.  there were a few
complaints early on from some windows folk who thought it looked too much
like a mac interface mind you. :-)

mark

caveat: i designed the interface


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From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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> But I have a more important question I would like to pose to you.
> It's not anything wrong with PINE, either.
>
> Is there some way to have the system notify users who are in
> application programs that they have received mail?  Like the "write"
> command?  Can SENDMAIL be configured to do this?  Or am I out of luck
> altogether?
>
> aTdHvAaNnKcSe
>
> Kurt Risser

Try looking at the "biff" command.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle




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[email protected] (Supak Lailert) writes:
>Go to Edit Configuration dialog box. Click on Emul. Options and change
>the value "Emulation name" from "DEC-VT100" to "vt100".  Some UNIX
>system won't recognize the "DEC-VT100" terminal type.

I've also had problems with dec-vt100.  On my version of Ewan (1.052)
the Options:Configuration:Emulation choices are:

 DEC-VT100
 DEC-VT52
 ANSI

Does anyone know how to deal with this or have suggestions for a better
MS Windows telnet?

Thanks,
Nancy


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On 13 Jul 1995, Chris Stoddart wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've just been trying to install Pine 3.91 on a cluster of DEC Alphas running
> OSF/1, and I can't quite get it to work right. Here is the situation: Several
> workstations are connected to a serverto which incoming mail is delivered.
> Users $HOME directories are NFS-mounted from the server, but the incoming
> mailbox /var/spool/mail/$USER is local to each machine.
>
> Now when Pine starts up on any machine I want it to look in the INBOX on the
> server for that person. This means using imapd. I've tried installing imapd
> on the server and even on the client, but when you start Pine connection from
> one of the client machines I get the message 'connection refused'.
>

Did you add imap to /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf then restart inetd
on the server?  A very basic test to see if imapd is properly configured
is to telnet to the IMAP port (143) on the server.  If you get a one-line
banner, it is working...

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|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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The following excerpt includes several 8-bit characters (pointed to by '^'
on the next line):

Hardware/Operating System:
PC:     I.B.M.:=A0        Dos=AC=A0OS2=AC=A0Windows 3.11
                          ^    ^
       Macintosh:      System 7.1=AC
                                 ^
=A0       Amiga:  WorkBench 2 / 3=AE
                              ^
Other:  Digital VAX=BA    Unix=AC=A0Silicon Graphics=BA=A0Motif=AC=A0X-Wind=
ows,
                  ^        ^                 ^      ^
                       VMS
                        =AE
                        ^

There are also other occurances, but I didn't look exhaustively...

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On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Michael Haephrati wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 13:21:36 +0300 (IDT)
> From: Michael Haephrati <[email protected]>
> To: Mike Brudenell <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Garbled text
>
> I am attaching the document. Please let me know how can I change it so I
> will be able to include it in email messages sent by Pine.
>
> -Michael.
> On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Michael Haephrati wrote:
> >
> > > Whenever I send message that include text imported from an ASCII file
> > > (edited by 'pico'), I see it ok on screen but most of the people who
> > > receive such message, get it garbled with '=3D20' at the end of lines=