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From: [email protected] (The Road Warrior)
Subject: Re: Which Mircophone version
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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:42:32 GMT

San Francisco Airport ([email protected]) wrote:
: I was hoping someone could help me pick which MicroPhone version to buy.
: Pine help says for printing and receiving Mac users should buy MicroPhone
: 2, version 4.0. The latest versions are MicroPhone Pro 2.0 and
: MicroPhone 2, versrion 5.0. Which one will work better?

: I would appreciate any advice

: Anton Goldman
: Bureau of Exhibitions, SFIA

I've been using Microphone II version 4.03 with my account at Netcom, and
it's done beautifully for me. I looked thru all the new features present
in Microphone Pro, but didn't care to shell out the extra cash to go for
those bells and whistles.

I suggest you buy Microphone II version 5.0, you'll be quite happy with it.
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From: [email protected] (Lucio Chiappetti)
Subject: Re: Enhancement request: address book expansion
Date: 1 Jul 1994 10:45:56 -0500
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References: <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] write:
|>
|> I think it would be nice to have an optional FCC entry in the address book such
|> that when I compose mail to an alias in the address book, the FCC header field
|> would automatically be filled with the FCC entry from the address book.
|>
|> For example, composing mail to "joe" would produce
|>
|> Fcc : mail-to-joe

When I moved to Pine from IBM VM Rice Mail (which had a NOTEBOOK
tag feature in the NAMES file, the equivalent of .addressbook), I
suggested this to Pine's authors.
They very kindly took notice of it and inserted it in the wishlist,
I wonder if it will be implemented soon.

B.t.w. I hope your suggestion does not imply that all mail to
"pinco" is saved in folder "mail-to-pinco", but in a named folder,
whose name you choose in .addressbook.
This way one can log mail to individuals according to projects.

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From: [email protected] (Chris Garrigues)
Subject: Re: mh folders
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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:54:17 GMT

In article <[email protected]>,
David L Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Pine 3.90 will include support for MH folders by default. It is also
>possible to build Pine 3.89 with the latest IMAP toolkit to get the new
>driver....

I finally did this yesterday and Pine 3.89 doesn't appear to work with
IMAP 3.4; I had problems with the identifier "lhostn" which appears to
have disappeared from IMAP.

Chris

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From: [email protected] (Simcha Lerner)
Subject: Pine doesn't like . folder names
Date: 1 Jul 1994 18:52:10 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

Since I use pine (3.89 on sun) on the same system that I use Sun's
mailtool, I set up default-fcc to ".record" (used by mailtool).

I don't mind that lack of .record from the list of folders (this is
a feature as far as I am concerned, since I can jump to and read
the folder without any problem). On the other hand, this folder name
breaks sending mail from compose.

When I try to send the message (^X), I am told:

Folder ".record" doesn't exist. Create? (y/n/^C) [y]:

If I say no, pine complains that the fcc was rejected. If I say
yes, I complains that it couldn't create it since it already exists.

In any case, I can't send the message unless I change the fcc field.

Thanks.

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From: [email protected] (Jonathan B. Horen)
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Shalom!

I'm running Pine 3.89.1.2 (Hebrew support) at our site, so I've begun
using it myself (me -- an old /usr/ucb/mail diehard :)

OK -- thanks for the help about using �/ on my VT220 at home to get
outta that *awful* PICO and back into VI.

Now... is there any way to teach Pine to recognize the j and k keys
within menus as Next/Previous Line? and the h and l keys, too, within
folder listings?

---------------------------horen@applicom.co.il---------------------------
Jonathan B. Horen
Sr. System Administrator
Applicom Systems, Ltd.

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From: Rohit Gupta <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Which Mircophone version
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 05:52:27 GMT

San Francisco Airport ([email protected]) wrote:
: I was hoping someone could help me pick which MicroPhone version to buy.
: Pine help says for printing and receiving Mac users should buy MicroPhone
: 2, version 4.0. The latest versions are MicroPhone Pro 2.0 and
: MicroPhone 2, versrion 5.0. Which one will work better?

: I would appreciate any advice

: Anton Goldman
: Bureau of Exhibitions, SFIA

I personally have Microphone LT, which came with my modem. But My friend
has Microphone Pro 2.0, which he says is much better. It is more
powerful, and easier to use. That would be your best bet. However, I
don't know how much it costs, but it shouldn't be over $150. Actually, it
costs $149.95 in Mac Wharehouse. E-mail me on your choice. I want to see
what you picked.

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From: [email protected] (Cheese & Onions)
Subject: Re: Getting files from the disc into pine
Date: 1 Jul 1994 19:52:29 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

: : Is it at all possible to get a file from one of my discs and then put
: : it in to the pine editor and then post it on ? Please would you explain

: It sounds like you want to (1) upload a file from some other computer and
: then (2) bring that file into Pine for mailing. #1 has too many
: variations to make it efficient to try to answer it without more
: information, and someone "local" to your working environment will
: probably be able to help you more efficiently.

Unless you're using a Windows terminal to read pine mail, like I do (I
log on to my school's mainframe via Windows Terminal). If you do this,
then you can cut text with the mouse and paste it (use the menu in case
the Paste keys cause your email computer system to do funky things). If I
have text from a wordprocessor, a gopher item, or world wide web that I
want to share with someone, I Cut it with the mouse, Paste it into
Notepad, edit it there, Cut it all at once with the mouse and Paste it
into pine. Try it!

For #2: once you have
: the file in a directory on the same computer that's running pine for you,
: the Ctrl-R command starts R)eading it "in" to your Pine document. Once
: you've typed Ctrl-R, the menu changes and Ctrl-T gives you a list of
: currently accessible files. If you know the file is somewhere, and it
: doesn't show up in that list, you'll need to use your host systems
: file-management commands to move it to the right directory. You may see
: various ugly things in the file once you bring it in to Pine -- that will
: be because the upload process hasn't dealt completely with the variations
: in conventions about how to store text in files. If that happens, you'll
: need to ask more, and more specific, questions about the upload processes
: that suit your situation.

: It sounds worse than it is. But it did take me a while to figure out.
: And I still get "Warning: last line of file is {something wrong}"
: messages about half the time. Sometimes there's a ^Z there. Deleting it
: seems to get rid of the problem.

: Incidently, the reverse process starts with Ctrl-E, to E)xport the text
: of your pine message to a file which can be downloaded, etc.

: Good luck,

: Putnam Barber
: Seattle

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[email protected] (Simcha Lerner) writes:

>Since I use pine (3.89 on sun) on the same system that I use Sun's
>mailtool, I set up default-fcc to ".record" (used by mailtool).
>
>When I try to send the message (^X), I am told:
>
> Folder ".record" doesn't exist. Create? (y/n/^C) [y]:

A few minutes ago, I had the same problem for the first time.
It didn't do it for the next mail I sent out, though. It would seem to
be an intermittant problem.

Any clues?

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From [email protected] Fri Jul 1 14:39:33 1994
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From: [email protected] (Joe Butt)
Subject: Cursor movement; Other suggestions for next upgrade
Date: 1 Jul 1994 08:15:47 -0500
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

This past upgrade of pico (I'm using 2.2 on Unix) is *great!* Marking
blocks is a large improvement. Thanks.

I'm glad to hear that there will be a way to move to the beginning and end
of a file. I'd also like to suggest that the next version have a way to
move back one word at a time.

Also, it would be very helpful if one could perform a file save on a
marked block rather than having to delete the rest of the file and change
the file name.

It's probably been mentioned before, but tagging messages in pine would
be very helpful for batch deletes or saves.

Back to pico, is there a way to make a supplementary dictionary for spell
checking? That would be a great help to me.

I'm encouraged to find this newsgroup, and impressed at the 'complaint
department' work Dave Miller is providing.

--Joe
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wasn't as easy to get programs right as we had thought. Debugging had
to be discovered. I can remember the exact instant when I realized
that a large part of my life from then on was going to be spent in
finding mistakes in my own programs.
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From: [email protected] (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)
Subject: Re: Shareware Postscript Converter
Date: 2 Jul 1994 00:16:02 +0300
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Alex Tang) writes:

>Actually, enscript (at least the version 3 and up) is licensed to adobe.
>it's not free.

But then there is nenscript, which is. My version is 1.13.
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From: [email protected] (Evelyn Albrecht)
Subject: Re: Pine doesn't like . folder names
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 21:08:03 GMT

David L Miller <[email protected]> writes:

>This is a known problem. In the interim, try making a symbolic link from
>sent-mail to .record...

>|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
>|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
>University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
>4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

>On 1 Jul 1994, Simcha Lerner wrote:

[ Rest of message eliminated.]

This was a perfect example of why I prefer the original message to come
1st. Being at a site close to the U. of W. I almost always get David's
prompt responses before I see the original post, and in this case, as in
others, the reply didn't make sense until I'd read the question, by which
time I'd forgotten the reply, so had to go back up to it. Somehow that
seems like *lots* more work than using ^V to skim past material I don't
need to see when the original message comes 1st.

I'll certainly 2nd the comments that David's replies are excellent.

Evelyn
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From: [email protected] (Lucio Chiappetti)
Subject: Re: ^L
Date: 1 Jul 1994 10:52:23 -0500
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

|> : Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE) ([email protected]) wrote:
|> : : How can Insert ^Ls in pine - Any way?
|>

What I did was to create a file .FormFeed in my home directory,
containing a single form feed, and including it with control-R
when I need it

od -a .FormFeed
0000000 ff nl

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From: [email protected] (Lucio Chiappetti)
Subject: Re: sorting addresses by nickname
Date: 1 Jul 1994 10:52:18 -0500
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References: <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Susan Feingold) write:
|> I would like to sort the e-mail addresses in my Adressbook according to the
|> nickname given to this address. Pine sorts by Addressee name. I do not

I use the following trick (works only if nickname is either surname
or first name). If the nickname is the first name I insert the
data in .addressbook as follows

anna Anna Silina c/o IFCTR [email protected]

if it is the surname instead I use

abbey Abbey - Leicester, Tony [email protected]

Pine will take care of reversing everything after a comma, so the
latter will appear addressed as

To: Tony Abbey - Leicester <[email protected]>

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Pine 3.90 will have an Fcc entry in the addressbook...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On 1 Jul 1994, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] write:
> |>
> |> I think it would be nice to have an optional FCC entry in the address book such
> |> that when I compose mail to an alias in the address book, the FCC header field
> |> would automatically be filled with the FCC entry from the address book.
> |>
> |> For example, composing mail to "joe" would produce
> |>
> |> Fcc : mail-to-joe
>
> When I moved to Pine from IBM VM Rice Mail (which had a NOTEBOOK
> tag feature in the NAMES file, the equivalent of .addressbook), I
> suggested this to Pine's authors.
> They very kindly took notice of it and inserted it in the wishlist,
> I wonder if it will be implemented soon.
>
> B.t.w. I hope your suggestion does not imply that all mail to
> "pinco" is saved in folder "mail-to-pinco", but in a named folder,
> whose name you choose in .addressbook.
> This way one can log mail to individuals according to projects.
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign
> via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign
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>

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Is there a pine that will read .cnm files on novell?

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The #mh/folder will work on the folder-collections line in your .pinerc,
but not at the Goto prompt...

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On 2 Jul 1994, Mumit Khan wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > David L Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>I am told that you should be able to delete the references to "lhostn" in
> >>pine/init.c and get it to compile...
> >
> >It did compile, but I still couldn't see the mh folders. Of course, I
> >could have had something else still wrong.
> >
> >Chris
>
> the other thing you have to do is to '#' out of the 'illegal first character'
> set in os.c (line 392 and thereabouts), so #mh/folder would be considered
> a valid folder name. I still can't get it to work, but that's probably my
> lack of knowledge in addressing folders in pine.
>
> mumit
>
> %-----------------------------------------------------------------%
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I am told that you should be able to delete the references to "lhostn" in
pine/init.c and get it to compile...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 1 Jul 1994, Chris Garrigues wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> David L Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Pine 3.90 will include support for MH folders by default. It is also
> >possible to build Pine 3.89 with the latest IMAP toolkit to get the new
> >driver....
>
> I finally did this yesterday and Pine 3.89 doesn't appear to work with
> IMAP 3.4; I had problems with the identifier "lhostn" which appears to
> have disappeared from IMAP.
>
> Chris
>
>
> --
> Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) [email protected]
> Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328
> 3500 West Balcones Center Fax +1 512 338 3838
> Austin, TX 78759-5398 USA
>
>

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Subject: Re: Pine doesn't like . folder names
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This is a known problem. In the interim, try making a symbolic link from
sent-mail to .record...

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On 1 Jul 1994, Simcha Lerner wrote:

> Since I use pine (3.89 on sun) on the same system that I use Sun's
> mailtool, I set up default-fcc to ".record" (used by mailtool).
>
> I don't mind that lack of .record from the list of folders (this is
> a feature as far as I am concerned, since I can jump to and read
> the folder without any problem). On the other hand, this folder name
> breaks sending mail from compose.
>
> When I try to send the message (^X), I am told:
>
> Folder ".record" doesn't exist. Create? (y/n/^C) [y]:
>
> If I say no, pine complains that the fcc was rejected. If I say
> yes, I complains that it couldn't create it since it already exists.
>
> In any case, I can't send the message unless I change the fcc field.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner
> [email protected]
>
>
>

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Can someone please tell me where to find documentation for the program
deliver?

thanks !

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I got this stuff working, but only when I access a folder using
the imap daemon; i.e. I have to add {localhost} before the mailbox name.
So I have to login via IMAP again, but at least it works!

Edgar Nielsen

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On Fri, 1 Jul 1994, Alex Maldonado wrote:

>
> Can someone please tell me where to find documentation for the program
> deliver?
>
> thanks !
>
>

I have some dox here that came with the Slackware installation I ftp'ed
from tsx-11.mit.edu. Unfortunately, I don't know of any SEPARATE dox.
Tried an archie search yet?

Chris Woods----Customer Support----(617) 275-2221
The Internet Access Company--7 Railroad Ave.--Bedford, MA USA
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David L Miller <[email protected]> wrote in article <[email protected]> :
>
>
>I am told that you should be able to delete the references to "lhostn" in
>pine/init.c and get it to compile...

It did compile, but I still couldn't see the mh folders. Of course, I
could have had something else still wrong.

Chris

Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) [email protected]
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What do you have set for "news-collections" in your .pinerc file? Is
your newsfeed on the local system or a remote NNTP server?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 29 Jun 1994, Steve Schow-Backstage Productions wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to get pine to show my subscribed newsgroups, but having a
> little trouble with that. Anyone that can help me?
>
> -steve
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you
> [email protected] | pick the pear with the big paw paw......
> (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......?
> 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: NFS mounting /usr/mail on hp
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Actually, an NFS mounted /usr/mail is a sure source of problems. We
strongly recommend using IMAP for remote folder access and especially for
remote INBOX access. The usual source of lock related hangs is a stuck
rpc.lockd on the server...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 29 Jun 1994, Noel Hunter wrote:

> I have tried to NFS mount the /usr/mail directory on an HP9000 running
> hp-ux 9.0. The Pine tech notes imply that this shold work fairly well,
> however, whenever I try to run pine on the mounted file system, it
> simply hangs up forever, and has to be killed from another session. it
> then becomes a "zombie" process.
>
> The problem seems to have something to do with file locking. When pine
> hangs up, the mail file cannot be accessed even after the /usr/mail area
> is unmounted. I had to rename the file and copy over the contents before
> pine would open it again. I checked for lock files, and find only the
> .\usr\mail\username file. Deleting it has no effect.
>
> Any recommendations about how to get this to work will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
> * email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *
>
>

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What are .cnm files?

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On 1 Jul 1994, Bengt-Erik Norum wrote:

> Is there a pine that will read .cnm files on novell?
>
> --
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From: [email protected] (Mumit Khan)
Subject: fix os.c [Re: mh folders]
Date: 2 Jul 1994 01:07:51 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
> David L Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I am told that you should be able to delete the references to "lhostn" in
>>pine/init.c and get it to compile...
>
>It did compile, but I still couldn't see the mh folders. Of course, I
>could have had something else still wrong.
>
>Chris

the other thing you have to do is to '#' out of the 'illegal first character'
set in os.c (line 392 and thereabouts), so #mh/folder would be considered
a valid folder name. I still can't get it to work, but that's probably my
lack of knowledge in addressing folders in pine.

mumit

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From: [email protected] (Wojtek Bogusz)
Subject: PINE and cryptography
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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 13:06:27 GMT

Hello,

I would like to express few off my thoughts about what I need from
pine to be able to do in the field of cryptography.

I was thinking about using pine with PGP. I even got a patch which
add to pico editor ability to crypt a message with recipients public
key or sign it with your key. But there is no possibility to decrypt a
message or check signature. What makes a usage of PGP impossible with
pine.

Wouldn't it be nice to add some extended field to mail header.
Something like Content-Type: text/crypted, text/signature ...??? Such
header would cause pine to start a command defined in .pinerc or in
mailcap This command would be started with some enviromental varialbe
like SENDING (RECEIVING), TMP_MAIL_FILE, FROM_USER, FROM_HOST,
TO_USER, TO_HOST read from the header. This command would get and
return a mail body through TMP_MAIL_FILE. In general it would be a
good way when receiving and sending mail. When sending pine could have
one extra field in Rich Hdr, Crypt: With value y or n And with default
set in .pinerc.

There would be also nice to be able to store your mail crypted in the
folders on the disk. But it is reasonable (for example in PGP) to
store them crypted in different way than how they where during
sending/receiving (for example not in public-key but DES way).

I wonder does anybody except me is interested to have thing like this
in pine :-) ? And does this what I wrote makes sense at all ?

Regards
Wojtek Bogusz

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Subject: filter -c command
Date: 2 Jul 1994 13:16:12 -0700
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I am using filter to route incoming email in pine and everything works
great - but the command filter -c (used at the % prompt) seems to get
lost in cyberspace... I have waited upto 5 minutes and it does not seem
to work. Any ideas what i'm doing wrong? -c option is used to clear the
filterlog file.

also i found out that in the filter-rules you can sort based on the FROM
line in an email header and not just the TO and CC lines :)

thanks in advance - andy

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On 2 Jul 1994, Andy Gelernter wrote:

> I am using filter to route incoming email in pine and everything works
> great - but the command filter -c (used at the % prompt) seems to get
> lost in cyberspace... I have waited upto 5 minutes and it does not seem
> to work. Any ideas what i'm doing wrong? -c option is used to clear the
> filterlog file.
>
> also i found out that in the filter-rules you can sort based on the FROM
> line in an email header and not just the TO and CC lines :)

Since "filter" is from the elm distribution don't you think that
the elm group would have been a more appropriate place to ask this question?

Be that as it may....have you tried:

filter -c -s or
filter -c -S

regards,

Ed

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From: [email protected] (Foo Say How)
Subject: Re: Off-line composing
Date: 3 Jul 1994 05:27:01 GMT
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It will ok if you only send ONE paragraph through PINE.

If you have compose your letter offline, and consist of several
paragraph, with columnar text and numbers, you will find all these jumble
up into one paragraph.

The only way out for me is is load in joe and upload the ascii file as
text, save it as file (or as the origibal posted suggest upload as file
and read in.)

It is nothing to do with how my program is configured if I can upload OK
into Joe, I should upload OK into PINE, so the question is then how is
PINE/PICO configuration differ from JOE?

FSH

Dan Mandell ([email protected]) wrote:
: I have had fairly good luck uploading text files using Procomm's Ascii upload
: directly into Pine's compose mode - which fill the screen with ANSI
: looking stuff - but pressing ^J (Justify) usually removes the ANSI stuff,
: making this the simplest upload procedure of all. I don't know how
: reliable it is either, but it seems to usually work for me.

: Dan

: On 28 Jun 1994, Dan Ford wrote:

: > >>On he other hand, if I just compose the message itself, at home and in
: > >>ASCII, and try to upload it into pine; then I get a raft of errors, most
: > >>of which look like ANSI codes, though they probably are not. I must then
: > >>cancel the message, exit PINE, upload the message as a file to my UNIX
: > >>account, re-enter PINE, and then use the <CTRL-R> feature of which you
: > >>have spoken.
: > >>
: > If I go right ahead and send it, however, the message seems to unscramble
: > itself and comes out okay at the other end. I've done this sending
: > letters to myself, but I am not quite prepared to risk it off-site. So I
: > use the mail utility mentioned in an earlier posting.
: > --
: > - Dan <[email protected]>
: >

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Nathaniel Borenstein recently submitted a draft proposal for PGP support in
MIME. It is very possible that Pine will support this proposal at some
point, assuming it develops in a reasonable fashion. It is available as
draft-borenstein-pgp-mime-00.txt or draft-borenstein-pgp-mime-00.ps from your
nearest RFC repository (e.g. ftp.isi.edu).

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Sat, 2 Jul 1994, Wojtek Bogusz wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to express few off my thoughts about what I need from
> pine to be able to do in the field of cryptography.
>
> I was thinking about using pine with PGP. I even got a patch which
> add to pico editor ability to crypt a message with recipients public
> key or sign it with your key. But there is no possibility to decrypt a
> message or check signature. What makes a usage of PGP impossible with
> pine.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice to add some extended field to mail header.
> Something like Content-Type: text/crypted, text/signature ...??? Such
> header would cause pine to start a command defined in .pinerc or in
> .mailcap This command would be started with some enviromental varialbe
> like SENDING (RECEIVING), TMP_MAIL_FILE, FROM_USER, FROM_HOST,
> TO_USER, TO_HOST read from the header. This command would get and
> return a mail body through TMP_MAIL_FILE. In general it would be a
> good way when receiving and sending mail. When sending pine could have
> one extra field in Rich Hdr, Crypt: With value y or n And with default
> set in .pinerc.
>
> There would be also nice to be able to store your mail crypted in the
> folders on the disk. But it is reasonable (for example in PGP) to
> store them crypted in different way than how they where during
> sending/receiving (for example not in public-key but DES way).
>
> I wonder does anybody except me is interested to have thing like this
> in pine :-) ? And does this what I wrote makes sense at all ?
>
> Regards
> Wojtek Bogusz
>
> ---
> e-mail: [email protected]
>
>

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I know there has been some discussion on this in the past, but I can't
remember what the answers were; How do you have Pine default to using an arrow
cursor to point to your selection on the menus instead of the inverse
highlight.
Steve

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In article <[email protected]>,
Big Brother <[email protected]> wrote:
>Put the distribution list in the 'bcc' (blind carbon copy) line. You can get
>to 'bcc' by type Ctrl R while in the header. None of the recipients will see
>who it went to.

Is there any limit to the number of names in the bcc line? If I
am distributing a mailer to, say, 150 people, will it balk at me?

Earl Baker

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There is no theoretical limit to the number of addresses in any of the
headers. There have been occasional interaction problems with sendmail for
very long lists though...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On 3 Jul 1994, Earl Baker wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Big Brother <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Put the distribution list in the 'bcc' (blind carbon copy) line. You can get
> >to 'bcc' by type Ctrl R while in the header. None of the recipients will see
> >who it went to.
>
> Is there any limit to the number of names in the bcc line? If I
> am distributing a mailer to, say, 150 people, will it balk at me?
>
> Earl Baker
>
> --
> [email protected] a.k.a. [email protected]
> sss k k y y w w eee a sss eee l
> ss kk yy www ee aaa ss ee l
> sss k k y w w eee a a sss eee llll
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Brian Macke)
Subject: VMS Pine and .pinerc
Date: 3 Jul 1994 20:12:08 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I've sucsessfully compiled VMS Pine and Pico on our VAX and am anxious to
try them out, but I've hit one snag. For some reason, our machine doesn't
support SMTP. I get "Error connecting to mail server" when I try to send.

My domain-server vaiable is set to "cnsvax.uwec.edu"
I cannoy seem to set the PINE_MAIL_PROTOCOL variable for the life of me.

Has anyone else run into this problem?

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: Pine for Novell
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> What are .cnm files?

cnm is the extension that charon (whatever the mail server is) names the
files when saving them.

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Don C. Miller decided "Hey I will write":

> > What are .cnm files?

cnm is the extension that charon (whatever the mail server is) names the
files when saving them.

In other words is there a pine to do the equivalent of pegasus...at least
in reading mail? I like pine much better than pegasus for dos.

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I just installed Linux and Pine was working one day, then the next its
not. When I type Pine, nothing happens and I have to hit Ctl-C to get
back to the Linux command line.

Can anyone help me in finding out what is happening?

BTW the Pine executable is present.

Thanks in advance.

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I am trying to install Pine 3.89 on two different systems, an HP-UX 9 machine
and a Solaris 2 machine. Both work ok but I have nothing but grief with
the Ctrl-C to cancel a message thing.

On HP-UX ctrl-C always bails right out of pine and on Solaris 2 it seems to
work but 90% of the time I don't get the proper:

Cancelling will abandon your mail message. Cancel? [n] :

prompt above the command list (I can get it sometimes but it's easy and I'm
never quite sure how I manage to get it) Usually nothing shows up and then if
I hit n for No the No shows up wherever the cursor was. (This is using pico
as the editor of course).

It seems to me that on HP-UX pico/pine isn't handling the tty right and it is
letting ctrl-c just kill it. I don't know what is happening on Solaris 2.

Anyone else have these problems? It's quite bad because we were hoping to
install pine as some user's shell (obviously this is something people have
done/considered because a user can change their password from within pine)
and hitting ctrl-c on HPUX when pine is your shell logs you right out.

--
Jeff Hameluck [email protected]
CL 119 University of Regina
(306) 585-4977 Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

From [email protected] Sun Jul 3 18:38:39 1994
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How does one cut something out of a file with pico, save it to a
file name and then paste it into a different file?

Daniel Cabirac
[email protected]

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From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How to put newsgroups into pine
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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David,

Thanks for replying. I am not sure how my newsfeed is setup here. I
believe its on the local machine(netcom.com).

------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you
[email protected] | pick the pear with the big paw paw......
(415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......?
800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear
------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 1 Jul 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> What do you have set for "news-collections" in your .pinerc file? Is
> your newsfeed on the local system or a remote NNTP server?
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 1994, Steve Schow-Backstage Productions wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to get pine to show my subscribed newsgroups, but having a
> > little trouble with that. Anyone that can help me?
> >
> > -steve
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you
> > [email protected] | pick the pear with the big paw paw......
> > (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......?
> > 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Christopher BIbbs)
Subject: Re: How to put newsgroups into pine
Date: 4 Jul 1994 04:50:35 GMT
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References: <Pine.3.89.9407032129.A11267-0100000@netcom14>

I've found the easiest way to figure this out if you use tin is to save
the article then use pico to look at it. You'll see the path that the
article took. The FIRST computer listed is your news server. If its
the machine you login on to (like my secondary account) setup as per
the local instructions. If not (like this account) set it up as per
the remote instructions. Hope that helps you or someone. :)

Steve Schow-Backstage Productions ([email protected]) wrote:

: David,

: Thanks for replying. I am not sure how my newsfeed is setup here. I
: believe its on the local machine(netcom.com).

: ------------------------------------------------------------------
: Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you
: [email protected] | pick the pear with the big paw paw......
: (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......?
: 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear
: ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
"Sigs are a waste of bandwidth." Christopher M Bibbs
[email protected]

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How to put newsgroups into pine
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I'm not sure how netcom is configured either. I know there are plenty of
proficient Pine users there though, just ask around...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Sun, 3 Jul 1994, Steve Schow-Backstage Productions wrote:

>
> David,
>
> Thanks for replying. I am not sure how my newsfeed is setup here. I
> believe its on the local machine(netcom.com).
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you
> [email protected] | pick the pear with the big paw paw......
> (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......?
> 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Fri, 1 Jul 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > What do you have set for "news-collections" in your .pinerc file? Is
> > your newsfeed on the local system or a remote NNTP server?
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Jun 1994, Steve Schow-Backstage Productions wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am trying to get pine to show my subscribed newsgroups, but having a
> > > little trouble with that. Anyone that can help me?
> > >
> > > -steve
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you
> > > [email protected] | pick the pear with the big paw paw......
> > > (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......?
> > > 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

From [email protected] Mon Jul 4 01:54:24 1994
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From: [email protected] (jeffery sumler)
Subject: Re: NFS mounting /usr/mail on hp
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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 08:21:46 GMT

In article <[email protected]>,
David L Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Actually, an NFS mounted /usr/mail is a sure source of problems. We

Just to cast a different light on this topic, we ran an email service
with pine 3.07 (and several other unix mailers) using two HP 735s, one
an NFS server that exported /usr/mail and the other a client that
mounted /usr/mail (on /usr/mail, naturally :) We had no problems like
those Noel has described during the 9 month production run of the
service.

The key is indeed to make sure that rpc.lockd and rpc.statd (as well as
rpc.mountd and portmap) are behaving as they should. You should double
check /etc/netnfsrc against /etc/inetd.conf to make sure they agree on
what services are being started by whom. We also modified pine slightly
so that pine's lock files were created in a directory called
/usr/mail/.locks - this prevented the problem of pine creating locks in
the /tmp directory of both machines and thus made life a little easier
for both users and sysadmins like myself ;)

jeff sumler
[email protected]

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> I've sucsessfully compiled VMS Pine and Pico on our VAX and am anxious to
> try them out, but I've hit one snag. For some reason, our machine doesn't
> support SMTP. I get "Error connecting to mail server" when I try to send.
>
> My domain-server vaiable is set to "cnsvax.uwec.edu"

You mean SMTP-SERVER, right? Try TELNET/PORT=25 CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU and see whether
it works ok or you get some error message there.

> I cannoy seem to set the PINE_MAIL_PROTOCOL variable for the life of me.

To what value do you try to set it?

Please answer directly to me and we'll continue it off-line.
__Yehavi:

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Pine is very good about status messages telling users what it's up to.
One place where a message would be useful is when calling up an external
editor. On slow systems it can take 10-20 seconds between hitting the key
sequence and anything (apparently) happening. Just a "Invoking
alternative editor - please wait" would do.

Mike

==============================================================================
Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430
The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094

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Subject: pine binary for sun 350?

does anyone have pine compiled and running on a sun350 and would be
willing to share it?

mike goldstien
[email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Gerard Lewis)
Subject: Pine FAQ?
Date: 4 Jul 1994 22:11:24 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

Please forgive this message if it's already been posted by many before me,
but I am a new Pine user and would like a pointer to a FAQ or other
complete documentation for Pine. Any help may be directed to my e-mail
address, [email protected], so as not to clog this newsgroup. Many thanks.

- Jerry

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From: [email protected] (Jack Valko)
Subject: Re: NFS mounting /usr/mail on hp
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I can second this. I tried to NFS mount /usr/mail and sendmail gagged.
Definitely lock file problems.

Jack

David L Miller ([email protected]) wrote:

: Actually, an NFS mounted /usr/mail is a sure source of problems. We
: strongly recommend using IMAP for remote folder access and especially for
: remote INBOX access. The usual source of lock related hangs is a stuck
: rpc.lockd on the server...

: |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
: |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
: University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
: 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

: On 29 Jun 1994, Noel Hunter wrote:

: > I have tried to NFS mount the /usr/mail directory on an HP9000 running
: > hp-ux 9.0. The Pine tech notes imply that this shold work fairly well,
: > however, whenever I try to run pine on the mounted file system, it
: > simply hangs up forever, and has to be killed from another session. it
: > then becomes a "zombie" process.
: >
: > The problem seems to have something to do with file locking. When pine
: > hangs up, the mail file cannot be accessed even after the /usr/mail area
: > is unmounted. I had to rename the file and copy over the contents before
: > pine would open it again. I checked for lock files, and find only the
: > .\usr\mail\username file. Deleting it has no effect.
: >
: > Any recommendations about how to get this to work will be
: > greatly appreciated.
: >
: > --
: > * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
: > * email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *
: >
: >

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From: [email protected] (Larry Buickel)
Subject: How to edit msgs B4 saving to folder?
Date: 4 Jul 1994 23:46:45 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

Before I save a message to a folder, I'd like to prune some lines and
in order to reduce file space usage. Is there anyway to edit a
message from my INBOX before I save it to a folder? Thanks ...

*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
Larry L. Buickel | I'm a hopeless chauvinist! Every time I begin to
[email protected] | explore my feminine side, I always stop and
| cop a feel ...
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Will write DCE apps for food =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*

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Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 02:02:31 GMT

James W Gourgoutis ([email protected]) wrote:
: I think that this subject has come up before, but I didn't catch it then.
: Sorry for the repetition, if that is the case.
:
: I was wondering if there was any way of getting around the default
: function of saving a copy of outgoing mail to the folder "sent-mail".
: Ideally, I'd like to be prompted at the end of each outgoing message,
: asking if I would like to save the message or not.
:
: I find my sent-mail folder rapidly filling up, and I'd like some way of
: managing it better.

I can suggest a clumsy way to tackle your problem. You could
delete your default sent-mail folder everytime you start PINE, like
`alias pine "rm -f ~/mail/sent-mail;pine"'. Anybody know a better way
round this?

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This has been proposed, but is not yet implemented.

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On 4 Jul 1994, Larry Buickel wrote:

> Before I save a message to a folder, I'd like to prune some lines and
> in order to reduce file space usage. Is there anyway to edit a
> message from my INBOX before I save it to a folder? Thanks ...
>
> *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
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From: [email protected] (Kaiwan Hongladaromp)
Subject: MIME..
Date: 5 Jul 1994 06:42:27 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

HI...

After reading amazing thing about MIME and knowing that pine is one
of mail user agent that support MIME extension, I wonder if it support
the whole set of MIME..

I've try to make up header intend to have Pine do anon-ftp for me but
so far it fails me (or I fail pine?). It is probably my lack of correct
understanding of MIME syntax that fail my experimental. Anyhow I want
to make sure that pine is capable of what I've tried to prove it have.
Oh FYI, the current version of pine is 3.87.

Thanks in advance.

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Subject: Can I mark a message NOT-read?
Date: 30 Jun 1994 13:05:30 -0700
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Is there a way in Unix Pine to mark a message as not read, after you've
actually read it? I usually read mail with Pine in a vt100 window, but
occasionally I'd like to receive certain messages via Eudora. Once I
read the message with Pine, however, Eudora won't recogize it as new mail
and retrieve it.

Thanks for any advice...
--
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Hi,

i am a new user to pine - I now know how to filter incoming mail into different
folders, but is this possible with outgoing mail too, so that when I send
mail to a specific person (or group), it is also copied into a predefined
folder automatically?

WWW
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From: [email protected] (Noel Hunter)
Subject: Re: NFS mounting /usr/mail on hp
Date: 5 Jul 1994 13:30:04 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

: David L Miller ([email protected]) wrote:
: : Actually, an NFS mounted /usr/mail is a sure source of problems. We
: : strongly recommend using IMAP for remote folder access and especially for
: : remote INBOX access. The usual source of lock related hangs is a stuck
: : rpc.lockd on the server...
: : |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
: : |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)

Thanks for the information. You might want to change the wording in the
documentation (pine technical notes), which implies that Pine works
fairly well over NFS mounts is no other mail readers are in use.

I think imap would be a better way for me to do this-- but I have not
been able to figure out exactly how to set up rimap to eliminate the need
for entering passwords.

Assuming my hosts and hosts.equiv'ed, and I have a link between imapd and
/etc/rimapd, what else do I need to do? I pointed inetd.conf at the link,
but it still asked for passwords.

Thanks again for your help.

Noel

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* email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *

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Date: 5 Jul 1994 15:03:08 GMT
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pcfong@hkusub ([ Malboro || PC ] 8D) writes:

>James W Gourgoutis ([email protected]) wrote:
>: I was wondering if there was any way of getting around the default
>: function of saving a copy of outgoing mail to the folder "sent-mail".
>: Ideally, I'd like to be prompted at the end of each outgoing message,
>: asking if I would like to save the message or not.
>
> I can suggest a clumsy way to tackle your problem. You could
>delete your default sent-mail folder everytime you start PINE, like
>`alias pine "rm -f ~/mail/sent-mail;pine"'. Anybody know a better way
>round this?

The correct way to do this is to, in your .pinerc, specify "" as the
folder to save to.

Another way is to specify /dev/null as the folder to receive sent-mail.

The original suggestion would work a little nicer if you remove the
folder after you run pine. That way it will be deleted as very soon
after created, and will never be seen.

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From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: pine and name server
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Hello,
I have a pine question. What other type of question would I mail
to this list?

When our primary name server goes down it takes pine such a long
time to execute. Why is this, and is there a way to correct it? We have
ping using an smtp server, but even though the server name is in our
/etc/hosts file and if we usent e ip address it still takes pine much to
long to load if our name server is down.

Rick Gaine

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Subject: Re: NFS mounting /usr/mail on hp
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If you manually invoke rimapd (e.g. "rsh servername /etc/rimapd") the
problem is often readily apparent...

Using rimap, inetd is completely out of the picture, so the inetd.conf
setting does not matter in that case.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 5 Jul 1994, Noel Hunter wrote:

> : David L Miller ([email protected]) wrote:
> : : Actually, an NFS mounted /usr/mail is a sure source of problems. We
> : : strongly recommend using IMAP for remote folder access and especially for
> : : remote INBOX access. The usual source of lock related hangs is a stuck
> : : rpc.lockd on the server...
> : : |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> : : |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
>
> Thanks for the information. You might want to change the wording in the
> documentation (pine technical notes), which implies that Pine works
> fairly well over NFS mounts is no other mail readers are in use.
>
> I think imap would be a better way for me to do this-- but I have not
> been able to figure out exactly how to set up rimap to eliminate the need
> for entering passwords.
>
> Assuming my hosts and hosts.equiv'ed, and I have a link between imapd and
> /etc/rimapd, what else do I need to do? I pointed inetd.conf at the link,
> but it still asked for passwords.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Noel
>
> --
> * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
> * email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *
>
>

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Subject: Re: MIME..
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Pine supports MIME at something better than the "minimal conformance" level,
but not everything in the protocol is fully supported. If you are going to
be generating your own MIME, I would suggest studying appendices A and B of
RFC1521....

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 5 Jul 1994, Kaiwan Hongladaromp wrote:

>
> HI...
>
> After reading amazing thing about MIME and knowing that pine is one
> of mail user agent that support MIME extension, I wonder if it support
> the whole set of MIME..
>
> I've try to make up header intend to have Pine do anon-ftp for me but
> so far it fails me (or I fail pine?). It is probably my lack of correct
> understanding of MIME syntax that fail my experimental. Anyhow I want
> to make sure that pine is capable of what I've tried to prove it have.
> Oh FYI, the current version of pine is 3.87.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> __ __ _
> / //_/__ _(_) _____ ____
> / ,< / _ `/ / |/|/ / _ `/ _ \
> /_/|_|\_,_/_/|__,__/\_,_/_//_/
> __ __ __ __
> / /_/ /__ ___ ___ _/ /__ ____/ /__ ________ __ _ ___
> / __ / _ \/ _ \/ _ `/ / _ `/ _ / _ `/ __/ _ \/ ' \/ _ \
> /_/ /_/\___/_//_/\_, /_/\_,_/\_,_/\_,_/_/ \___/_/_/_/ .__/
> /___/ /_/
>
>

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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 09:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
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This will be available in Pine 3.90...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 5 Jul 1994, Helmut Oertel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i am a new user to pine - I now know how to filter incoming mail into different
> folders, but is this possible with outgoing mail too, so that when I send
> mail to a specific person (or group), it is also copied into a predefined
> folder automatically?
>
> WWW
> (O O)
> --oOO--(_)--OOo--------
> Helmut Oertel | Technical University of Berlin, Germany
> E-mail: [email protected] | NeXT-Mail: [email protected]
> Compuserve: 100326,41 | WWW: http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~oertelh
> Tel.: +49-30-304 33 52 | FAX : +49-30-305 90 89
>
> --
> WWW
> (O O)
> --oOO--(_)--OOo--------
> Helmut Oertel | Technical University of Berlin, Germany
>
>

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Subject: Re: Can I mark a message NOT-read?
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 08:58:58 -0700 (PDT)
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There will be in Pine 3.90...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 30 Jun 1994, Byron Lunz wrote:

> Is there a way in Unix Pine to mark a message as not read, after you've
> actually read it? I usually read mail with Pine in a vt100 window, but
> occasionally I'd like to receive certain messages via Eudora. Once I
> read the message with Pine, however, Eudora won't recogize it as new mail
> and retrieve it.
>
> Thanks for any advice...
> --
> Byron [email protected]
>
>

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Subject: Re: pine and name server
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References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>,
Richard C. Gaine <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: When our primary name server goes down it takes pine such a long
:time to execute. Why is this, and is there a way to correct it?

It looks like pine at startup tries to get the hostname of the machine
that it is executing on (i.e., calls gethostname() on a SunOS machine,
calls systeminfo(SI_HOSTNAME) on a Solaris 2.3 machine). If your
local system is configured to look at the DNS instead of /etc/hosts
for the hostname info and you have multiple nameservers specified in
your /etc/resolv.conf, then if the first nameserver listed doesn't
respond, the resolver routines will wait a while before trying the
next nameserver listed. So what you're probably seeing at startup is
the lag time before the resolver routines give up on the first
nameserver and move on to the next one.

You could avoid that by having your resolver routines look in
/etc/hosts before consulting the DNS (though that's a debatable
strategy in general).

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From: "Gary W. Marine" <[email protected]>
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I am looking for someone who has compiled Pine on an Intergraph
system running sVr3, or another sVr3 system.

Please respond to [email protected]

Thanks,
Gary Marine

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SIGNOFF PINE-INFO

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This is now on the todo list. I don't know if it will be in 3.90 yet...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Mon, 4 Jul 1994, Mike Roch wrote:

> Pine is very good about status messages telling users what it's up to.
> One place where a message would be useful is when calling up an external
> editor. On slow systems it can take 10-20 seconds between hitting the key
> sequence and anything (apparently) happening. Just a "Invoking
> alternative editor - please wait" would do.
>
> Mike
>
> ==============================================================================
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>
>

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I know that typing ^R gives you Pine's "rich" header. Is there a way to
get Pine to always display the rich header by default?
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We recently upgraded to Pine 3.89 and Pico 2.3, on Sun (Solaris).

I now have problems on a slow modem line, because I can't figure out how
to persuade pico to scroll the screen, rather than redrawing all the
characters. This is VERY slow and tedious at 2400 baud.

With the old version, I could do an:
stty 2400
and pico would realize that the line was slow, and scroll. That no
longer appears to work.

Any suggestions?

Mike

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Plesae tell me where the ftp sites for PC Pine / Pico software is.

I thank you all very much.

Joe

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On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Joseph A. Liu wrote:

> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 11:22:27 +0800
> From: Joseph A. Liu <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: FTP sites for Pine / Pico
>
> Plesae tell me where the ftp sites for PC Pine / Pico software is.
>
> I thank you all very much.
>
> Joe
>
> --
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>
>

I believe you can always find pine under ftp.cac.washington.edu:/mail.
This is the primary distribution site of pine.

Chee Wai

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From: [email protected] (Matthew Mannhardt)
Subject: Help; Errors on Solaris 2.3
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 06:22:37 GMT

Compiles with warnings using gcc (i.e)
..
> /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:39: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp'
> adrbklib.c: In function `adrbk_open':
> adrbklib.c:360: warning: passing arg 4 of `qsort' from incompatible pointer type
> adrbklib.c:376: warning: passing arg 4 of `qsort' from incompatible pointer type
> adrbklib.c: In function `sort_addr_list':
> adrbklib.c:469: warning: passing arg 4 of `qsort' from incompatible pointer type
> /usr/local/bin/gcc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -ansi -DANSI -c args.c -o args.o
> In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:41,
> from headers.h:78,
> from args.c:59:
> /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:30: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy'
> /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:32: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy'
> /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp'
> /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:39: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp'
..

and executable produces annoying errors; from .pine-debug1:
..
> About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX"
> IMAP 20:42 7/5 mm_log warn: Unparsable date
> IMAP 20:42 7/5 mm_log warn: Unparsable date
> IMAP 20:42 7/5 mm_log warn: Unparsable date
..

Anybody else out there running "pine" on Solaris 2.3?

-Matt Mannhardt

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Is there any way to add a " Reply to: " field to Pine when composing
e-mail? Have I overlooked something obvious?

Those of us who work behind firewalls could find this extremely useful!

Thanks,

Kevin Martinez
[email protected]
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From: Jason Jones <[email protected]>
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Is there any way to hard-code the reply-to field? I'm using Unix Pine
3.89. Thanks in advance for you help.

-Jason

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From: [email protected] (Bryan Moore)
Subject: Re: How to edit msgs B4 saving to folder?
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 12:12:19 GMT
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References: <[email protected]>

In <[email protected]> David L Miller <[email protected]> writes:
>On 4 Jul 1994, Larry Buickel wrote:
>> Before I save a message to a folder, I'd like to prune some lines and
>> in order to reduce file space usage. Is there anyway to edit a
>> message from my INBOX before I save it to a folder? Thanks ...

>This has been proposed, but is not yet implemented.

I sometimes forward the message to myself which does the trick, but
for only pruning a line or two the extra header it adds on is not worth it,
so I only do it for much longer messages I want to keep pieces of.

Regards,
Bryan Moore
[email protected]

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As stated previously, this will be available in Pine 3.90, which should
be available in a few weeks.

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On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Kevin Martinez wrote:

> Is there any way to add a " Reply to: " field to Pine when composing
> e-mail? Have I overlooked something obvious?
>
> Those of us who work behind firewalls could find this extremely useful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin Martinez
> [email protected]
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kevin Martinez [email protected] Member of the Julie Kangas Fan Club
> Work: 1 800 50 SATAN Home: 1 510 676 1111
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Jason Jones wrote:

> Is there any way to hard-code the reply-to field? I'm using Unix Pine
> 3.89. Thanks in advance for you help.
>
> -Jason
>
> --
> _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ Jason Jones - [email protected]
> _/ _/ _/ _/ Systems Engineer
> _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ Piedmont Technology Group, Inc.
> _/ _/ _/ _/ 830 Tyvola Rd - Charlotte NC - 28217
> _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ phone 704.523.2410 x130 fax 704.523.7764
>
>
>

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Subject: Enhancement suggestion: multiple addressbooks
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We have recently moved about 2000 users from VMS to Unix, and they are
using pine. They would like to be able to maintain a personal addressbook
as well as a group address book for a group of users. It would be great
if there was some way to specify 2 files for the addressbook in the .pinerc.
We don't care too much about editing these files (i.e. what happens when
you type A to get to the addressbook?) but it would be best if A would allow
the user to edit their personal addressbook (.addressbook) and then the
person keeping the group file could just edit it outside of pine.

Is this a possibility?

--
Heidi Dudek [email protected]
Computing & Network Services
University of Colorado at Boulder
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University of Colorado at Boulder

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Pine 3.90 will support multiple addressbooks.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Heidi Dudek wrote:

> We have recently moved about 2000 users from VMS to Unix, and they are
> using pine. They would like to be able to maintain a personal addressbook
> as well as a group address book for a group of users. It would be great
> if there was some way to specify 2 files for the addressbook in the .pinerc.
> We don't care too much about editing these files (i.e. what happens when
> you type A to get to the addressbook?) but it would be best if A would allow
> the user to edit their personal addressbook (.addressbook) and then the
> person keeping the group file could just edit it outside of pine.
>
> Is this a possibility?
>
> --
> Heidi Dudek [email protected]
> Computing & Network Services
> University of Colorado at Boulder
> --
> Heidi Dudek [email protected]
> Computing & Network Services 492-0764
> University of Colorado at Boulder
>
>

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How can I transform my pine folders into something readable Eudora (PC).

Thanks,
Nick

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The subject line says it all. My system only has emacs, and I am sick of
that. I'd like to get pico and see if I can install it. If anybody can
tell me where I can find it, please let me know. Thank you.

--
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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Caitrin Lynch ([email protected]) wrote:

: How can I transform my pine folders into something readable Eudora (PC).

The ipop3d server that somes with the imap stuff availalable on the ftp
archive ftp.cac.washington.edu allows pop clients to access imap services,
I believe. If I'm right, you could do something like set your pop
server to point to the ipop3d server, and then use the proper imap inbox
name for the address portion. The man page says:

IPOP2d and IPOP3d are servers which support the POP2 and POP3 remote
mail access protocols respectively. IPOP2d and IPOP3d can also be
used by POP2 and POP3 clients to access mailboxes on IMAP servers by
specifying a login user name in the form <host>:<user> e.g.,
SERVER.WASHINGTON.EDU:SMITH.

--
* Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
* email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *

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pine.cac.washington.edu

However, I think that pico is included with pine. Look for DLM's posts
and send email to his address asking him if you can get it separately.

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Pine and Pico are available from ftp.cac.washington.edu. Pico sources are
included in the Pine source distribution (mail/pine.tar.Z) or there are a few
pre-compiled executables in the mail/unix-bin directory.

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On 6 Jul 1994, Carl J Digiorgio wrote:

> The subject line says it all. My system only has emacs, and I am sick of
> that. I'd like to get pico and see if I can install it. If anybody can
> tell me where I can find it, please let me know. Thank you.
>
> --
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> / _ _/ /_ _/ / \ Carl J. DiGiorgio "The reward for work well
> / /_ _/ / / / / [email protected] done is the opportunity
> /_ _ / /_ _/ /_ _/ [email protected] to do more" - Jonas Salk
>
>

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How does one go about installing Metamail with PINE?

Jim

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I am looking for a pine 3.89 manual, Can someone please point me to the
ftp site...
I tried ftp.cac.washington.edu, but with no luck...

thanx in advance,
- -
Colin Fletcher

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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Noel,
I'm guessing that Caitrin was interested in making *saved message* folders
accessible to PC-Eudora, rather than simply sharing a common INBOX.

As far as I know, PC-Eudora uses the Bky Unix "mbox" format, which is also
what Pine uses by default. So it *should* be possible to transfer Unix
Pine folders to your PC and access them as local folders in Eudora... but
I haven't tried this myself. I'm guessing you want to transfer in "ascii"
mode in order to get newline conversion.

POP3 does not support access to arbitrary remote folders, only the inbox,
so using the ipop3d as a "POP-to-IMAP gateway" will probably not help
in this case.

For those who are interested in co-existence of IMAP and POP clients
with respect to INBOX access:

1. You can run a POP server on the same machine acting as your IMAP
server. The ipop3d Noel mentions would be a good choice, since it uses
the same locking discipline as imapd. (I believe the CMU IMAP server
also has a companion POP server available.)

2. If both POP and IMAP servers exist, but are on different machines, you
could replace the existing POP server with ipop3d, which is capable of
operating as a gateway to a different IMAP server for POP clients, as well
as providing normal POP access to INBOXes stored on the same machine.

3. If you can't touch the existing servers, but have root access to yet
another Unix box, you could run ipop3d on it, and have it serve purely
as a POP gateway to an existing IMAP server.

Note that the gateway works best if you don't leave mail on the server. If
you tell Eudora to leave mail on the server, it will keep fetching the
same messages over and over when you check for new mail. This is probably
fixable, but we haven't had time to track down the incompatibilty.

-teg

On 6 Jul 1994, Noel Hunter wrote:

> Caitrin Lynch ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : How can I transform my pine folders into something readable Eudora (PC).
>
> The ipop3d server that somes with the imap stuff availalable on the ftp
> archive ftp.cac.washington.edu allows pop clients to access imap services,
> I believe. If I'm right, you could do something like set your pop
> server to point to the ipop3d server, and then use the proper imap inbox
> name for the address portion. The man page says:
>
> IPOP2d and IPOP3d are servers which support the POP2 and POP3 remote
> mail access protocols respectively. IPOP2d and IPOP3d can also be
> used by POP2 and POP3 clients to access mailboxes on IMAP servers by
> specifying a login user name in the form <host>:<user> e.g.,
> SERVER.WASHINGTON.EDU:SMITH.
>
> --
> * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
> * email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *
>

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From: [email protected] (Omi Chandiramani)
Subject: Incoming message: date munged
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I was reading through/deleting a backlog of mail since I have been on
holiday for a while. So I had finally reached yesterdays mail when
pine beeped "New mail! from blah hlah...." So I wento back into the
index from the view message screen and surprsingly the message seemed
like it had arrived on June 5 instead of June 6 when it actually came
in. The header follows..

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The guys sent it to me a little past 8pm on June 6, no doubt about
that.

This isnt a big deal but just an FYI, just in case the developers
would liek to know.

Thanks for the great job..

--
Omi Chandiramani
[email protected]

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SIGNOFF PINE-INFO

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UNSUBSCRIBE YANG

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Subject: Re: Help; Errors on Solaris 2.3
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 22:03:49 -0700 (PDT)
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I am pretty sure that the compiler warnings and the log messages are in no
way related. It looks like you have some messages in your INBOX that have a
date field that Pine does not understand. If you send a copy of the messages
in question to [email protected] we will try to determine why they
are not being recognized.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Matthew Mannhardt wrote:

> Compiles with warnings using gcc (i.e)
> ...
> > /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:39: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp'
> > adrbklib.c: In function `adrbk_open':
> > adrbklib.c:360: warning: passing arg 4 of `qsort' from incompatible pointer type
> > adrbklib.c:376: warning: passing arg 4 of `qsort' from incompatible pointer type
> > adrbklib.c: In function `sort_addr_list':
> > adrbklib.c:469: warning: passing arg 4 of `qsort' from incompatible pointer type
> > /usr/local/bin/gcc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -ansi -DANSI -c args.c -o args.o
> > In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:41,
> > from headers.h:78,
> > from args.c:59:
> > /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:30: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy'
> > /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:32: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy'
> > /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp'
> > /opt/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2/2.5.6/include/string.h:39: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp'
> ...
>
>
>
> and executable produces annoying errors; from .pine-debug1:
> ...
> > About to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX"
> > IMAP 20:42 7/5 mm_log warn: Unparsable date
> > IMAP 20:42 7/5 mm_log warn: Unparsable date
> > IMAP 20:42 7/5 mm_log warn: Unparsable date
> ...
>
> Anybody else out there running "pine" on Solaris 2.3?
>
> -Matt Mannhardt
>
>

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Pine 3.90 will include a subset of metamail built-in....

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Jim Hribnak wrote:

>
>
> How does one go about installing Metamail with PINE?
>
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Hribnak Nucleus Information Service
> VP Operations, Atomic Data Communications 55 Lines (403)531-9353 (2400)
> ----------------------------------------- (403)531-9366 (19200)
> [email protected] (403)249-9009 (voice)
>
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>
>
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According to the message headers, the message was written at a little
past 8 AM, July 5, but did not leave America Online until almost 9 PM on
July 6 (almost 37 hour delay!)

Pine correctly displayed the date from the Date: header in the message...

--DLM

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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Thu, 7 Jul 1994, Omi Chandiramani wrote:

> I was reading through/deleting a backlog of mail since I have been on
> holiday for a while. So I had finally reached yesterdays mail when
> pine beeped "New mail! from blah hlah...." So I wento back into the
> index from the view message screen and surprsingly the message seemed
> like it had arrived on June 5 instead of June 6 when it actually came
> in. The header follows..
>
> Return-Path: <[email protected]>
> Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by Calvin.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1)
> id AA15557; Wed, 6 Jul 94 20:49:51 EDT
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> (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA12723; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:49:52 -0400
> From: [email protected]
> X-Mailer: America Online Mailer
> Sender: "JoeSmokin" <[email protected]>
> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 94 08:08:04 EDT
> Subject: lets get together!
>
> The guys sent it to me a little past 8pm on June 6, no doubt about
> that.
>
> This isnt a big deal but just an FYI, just in case the developers
> would liek to know.
>
> Thanks for the great job..
>
> --
> Omi Chandiramani
> [email protected]
>
>
>

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On 6 Jul 1994, Micos Express wrote:

> However, I think that pico is included with pine. Look for DLM's posts
> and send email to his address asking him if you can get it separately.
>

I prefer that this type of request be directed to comp.mail.pine or
[email protected]. I recieve _alot_ of mail andit is much
easier for me if all of the Pine-related mail comes in on the pine
lists...

Thanks!

--DLM

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Subject: Re: FTP site for Pico

>>>>> "Carl" == Carl J Digiorgio <digior> writes:

Carl> The subject line says it all. My system only has emacs, and
Carl> I am sick of that. I'd like to get pico and see if I can
Carl> install it. If anybody can tell me where I can find it,
Carl> please let me know. Thank you.

Hello Carl - try ftp.cac.washington.edu in /mail
Pick up pine which includes pico.
Dave

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|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 7 Jul 94 11:00:02 GMT
From:[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Problems with Compiling Pine on UNIXWARE

Thanks for your response. Is there anyone you know of who could
help me figure out the following error messages when I type
"build sv4" ?????

"/usr/include/time.h", line 10: redeclaration of tm

Stop.
"/usr/include/time.h", line 10: redeclaration of tm

Stop.

Stop.
ld libpico.a: can't find library libtermlib.a

Stop.
"/usr/include/time.h", line 10: redeclaration of tm
"/usr/include/time.h", line 10: redeclaration of tm

Stop.
size: bin/pine: cannot open
size: bin/mtest: cannot open
size: bin/imapd: cannot open
size: bin/pico: cannot open
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 10: (struct) tag redeclared: tm
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 21: identifier redeclared: gmtime
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 21: identifier redeclared: localtime

Stop.
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 10: (struct) tag redeclared: tm
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 21: identifier redeclared: gmtime
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 21: identifier redeclared: localtime

Stop.

Stop.
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(basic.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(bind.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(composer.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(display.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(file.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(fileio.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(line.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(osdep.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(pico.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(random.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(region.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(search.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(spell.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(tinfo.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(window.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(word.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(attach.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(browse.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
UX:ld: WARNING: libpico.a(buffer.o): notice: internal conversion of COFF file to ELF
Undefined first referenced
symbol in file
setupterm libpico.a(tinfo.o)
tigetstr libpico.a(tinfo.o)
UX:ld: ERROR: pico: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to pico

Stop.
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 71: identifier redeclared: system
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 10: (struct) tag redeclared: tm
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 21: identifier redeclared: gmtime
UX:acomp: ERROR: "/usr/include/time.h", line 21: identifier redeclared: localtime

Stop.
size: bin/pine: cannot open
size: bin/mtest: cannot open
size: bin/imapd: cannot open
size: bin/pico: cannot open
--
The pine program appears to be just the program I was looking for to manage
my mail. If you know of an ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Version 1
of Pine, that will work fine also ....

Thanks!!!

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: FTP site for Pico
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I think this does show, though, that perhaps pico should be packaged and
available seperately as well as with pine. I know a couple of years ago
I wanted to install pico and I didn't know it came with pine, and I spend
many hour searching archie logs looking for it before someone told me I
was looking in the wrong place.

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I was wondering how to create a bcc in composing a message.
I have a huge mailing list (50+) that creates an enormous header
for the readers. I was wondering if I could blind carbon copy
the list. Any help is appreciated.

Gwen

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Subject: Deleting attchmnt from header

How do I remove the attchmnt line from the header? I've looked at the
pinerc file but I can't seem to find the appropriate setting. BTW I'm
using version 3.89.

Thanks,
Rose
[email protected]

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Pine 3.89 does not have a way to hide the Attchmnt: line.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 7 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> How do I remove the attchmnt line from the header? I've looked at the
> .pinerc file but I can't seem to find the appropriate setting. BTW I'm
> using version 3.89.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rose
> [email protected]
>
>

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From: "Henry @(0-0)" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Deleting attchmnt from header
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Someone may ask this before: How can I use ^ (control-6), block, on a Mac?

Thanks!!

=Henry=

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From: [email protected] (Adriano Barenco)
Subject: Problems with pine and xbiff : detecting incoming mail
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 12:32:41 BST

Hi everybody,

I am a new pine user and I am quite happy with it. However I have a little
problem : pine does not signal new incoming mail, it doesn't flash the screen,
doen't beep, doesn't do anything... Is there a way around this ?

When using pine from my workstation (Sparc under solaris 2.3), I thought of
using xbiff simultaneously (xbiff just opens a little window with an icon that
signals when new mail arrives); xbiff worked fine, but then I noticed that pine
didn't manage to detect the new mail when I tried to open the folder INBOX.
To read it I have to exit pine and enter it again. So the combination pine+xbiff
is not really good...

Has anyone a solution for this problem ?

Thanks in advance

Adriano Barenco

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Hi to everybody,

I am a new pine user and find it quite convenient, however I have a little
problem: when I get new mail, pine does not signal it to me in any way (beep
flash or any other things). So I tried to run xbiff in parallel (xbiff gives
you a little postbox icon in your workspace that has a flag up when you have
mail), xbiff works fine, but then when I wnat to open the INBOX folder, I can't
find the new mail. To read it I have to quit and enter pine again. Is there a
way around this ? Either get something else than xbiff, or have pine signal new
incoming mail...

Any help appreciated,

Adriano Barenco

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In article <[email protected]>,
Adriano Barenco <[email protected]> wrote:
:Hi everybody,
:
:I am a new pine user and I am quite happy with it. However I have a little
:problem : pine does not signal new incoming mail, it doesn't flash the screen,
:doen't beep, doesn't do anything... Is there a way around this ?
:
:When using pine from my workstation (Sparc under solaris 2.3), I thought of
:using xbiff simultaneously (xbiff just opens a little window with an icon that
:signals when new mail arrives); xbiff worked fine, but then I noticed that pine
:didn't manage to detect the new mail when I tried to open the folder INBOX.
:To read it I have to exit pine and enter it again. So the combination pine+xbiff
:is not really good...
:
:Has anyone a solution for this problem ?

Worked fine for me on my Solaris 2.3 workstation -- pine should indeed
inform you of new mail, but it only checks every couple of minutes.
You can force it to check _now_ by typing Control-L. So when I
noticed xbiff's flag going up, I would type Control-L in the xterm I
was running pine in to force pine to look for the new mail.

(Then I got tired of xbiff and decided I really could wait a couple of
minutes to find out I had new mail.)

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:22:10 +0100
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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On 7 Jul 1994, Gwendolyn El Eckman wrote:

> I was wondering how to create a bcc in composing a message.
> I have a huge mailing list (50+) that creates an enormous header
> for the readers. I was wondering if I could blind carbon copy
> the list. Any help is appreciated.

Yes. Press ^R to enable rich headers while in the header section and
then use your list alias in the Bcc: line.

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I guess that says it all... perhaps there is something I missed in reading
the help?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

---
Steve Pershing <[email protected]>

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On Thu, 7 Jul 1994, Steve Pershing wrote:

> I guess that says it all... perhaps there is something I missed in reading
> the help?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.

That would seem to be the function of your terminal emulation
software....not pine.

Ed

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The PC version of Pine 3.90 will be able to set colors.

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On Thu, 7 Jul 1994, Steve Pershing wrote:

> I guess that says it all... perhaps there is something I missed in reading
> the help?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
>
>
> ---
> Steve Pershing <[email protected]>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: "Brian P. Hampson" <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 7 Jul 1994, Henry @(0-0) wrote:

> Someone may ask this before: How can I use ^ (control-6), block, on a Mac?

Try ESC-ESC-[SHFT-6]

B.

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Has anyone successfully compiled Pine on a Data General? I tried building
it for sys V,r4 but was not successful. It is looking for libraries
that are not there. Any help would be appreciated.

Sue

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Hello! I am getting segmentation faults if I have something like the
following in pine.conf (the system configuration file) on SunOS 5.3:

inbox-path={$IMAPSERVER}inbox

On my personal account, I am defining IMAPSERVER as follows:

IMAPSERVER=ecstest.asu.edu
export IMAPSERVER

If I get rid of pine.conf and specify the path to the inbox (as above) in
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I can't take any more core dumps. Please advise.

Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 14:34:30 BST

Hi to everybody,

I'm a new pine user, and I'm quite happy with it. However,
when I'm working on my station (SParc under solaris 2.3), I
would like pine to signal any new incoming mail. I haven't
found a way to have it do it, so I tried to use xbiff in
parallel (xbiff is just a little program that opens a window
on the desktop with an icon that signal when new mail's in).
The problem is that, when running xbiff, I cannot access with
pine the new mail, i.e. when I try to open the folder INBOX,
pine does not find any new message. Does someone have a
suggestion how to do that ?

Thanks for your help

Adriano Barenco

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* University of Oxford Fax : (0865) 272 400 *
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Message-Id: <1994Jul4.143535.24327@oxvaxd>
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Hi to everybody,

I'm a new pine user, and I'm quite happy with it. However,
when I'm working on my station (SParc under solaris 2.3), I
would like pine to signal any new incoming mail. I haven't
found a way to have it do it, so I tried to use xbiff in
parallel (xbiff is just a little program that opens a window
on the desktop with an icon that signal when new mail's in).
The problem is that, when running xbiff, I cannot access with
pine the new mail, i.e. when I try to open the folder INBOX,
pine does not find any new message. Does someone have a
suggestion how to do that ?

Thanks for your help

Adriano Barenco

*************************************************************************
* Adriano Barenco Phone : (0865) 272 333 *
* University of Oxford Fax : (0865) 272 400 *
* Clarendon Laboratory Email : [email protected] *
* Parks Road [email protected] *
* Oxford OX1 3DR - U.K. [email protected] *
*************************************************************************

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Is it possible to save the material that you cut from a file to a file
name, so that you can read it into another file? If so, please explain.

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No.

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On 8 Jul 1994, Daniel M. Cabirac wrote:

> Is it possible to save the material that you cut from a file to a file
> name, so that you can read it into another file? If so, please explain.
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

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I was just getting started on using Pine. I notice that the
default editor is pico, but that there is an option for an
alternate editor. However, is there any way to make the
default editor be 'emacs'? Any info is appreciated.

Jerry
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Jerry

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On Thu, 7 Jul 1994, Susan J. Starr wrote:

> Has anyone successfully compiled Pine on a Data General? I tried building
> it for sys V,r4 but was not successful. It is looking for libraries
> that are not there. Any help would be appreciated.

Yes, we built it successfully on 5.4.2.1 and 5.4.3.0 MU01. That is the
3.89 version. If you can send me the error output, I can maybe help. It
has been a while since I made the patches.

B.

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian P. Hampson <brian@asl3>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Problem with MIME?

Hi,

I'm using PINE3.89 and came across the following problem:

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Subject: Sqed 0.95
X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
id="A.PARTIAL.MESSAGE.ID.0130.773626756";
number=1
id="A.PARTIAL.MESSAGE.ID.0130.773626756";
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Date: Thu, 07 Jul 94 20:17:13
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Content-Type: multipart/mixed; charset="US-ASCII";
boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0130.773626748"

> THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader does not support MIME.
> You may not be able to read some parts of this message.

--PART.BOUNDARY.0130.773626748
Content-ID: <131_97_1_773626634>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
Content-Description: <none>

Sqed is coming your way. No it cannot distinguish between several users on
the same system.

ciao vowe

______________________________________________________________________________
volker weber [email protected] voice +49-172-408-2633
kahlertstrasse 32 compuserve 100120,557 tam/fax +49-6151-22618
64293 darmstadt fido 2:2464/111 data/fax +49-6151-25631

--PART.BOUNDARY.0130.773626748
Content-ID: <131_97_1_773626694>
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Description: <F:\files\OS2\sqed\SQED095.LZH>

KEItbGgwLUUAAAAxAAAAZgrkHAABD0VBU1xDb250cm9sLmRsbD7UTQ8AT0NvbnRyb2wuZGxs
/wUAANC5AAAxAAAAAAgIAC5BUFBUWVBFAP7/BAAAABBAAAUOAC5UWVBFAP3/CgBFeGVjdXRh
YmxlIWstbGg1Le9fAABX4AAAVgrkHAAAC0NvbnRyb2wuZGxs+9ImSIXd9tWk5P977999J37s
792d6JFILFYr0pBgrFhbSEBYEISASDIQhIpIACAwiUAh2VBSAQ7BD6+zoRqWoZYqNpbhcpeP
XEdYCKyEBkFG0BKsuJcYqWvYwtY1GEUi9///ffu97JJBFo5jcy3Mu7bm7zN3Obmbm5u5nM28
5rnMzeZu3Oc3yd8PfC3m+Du+Dvj74+fi9ncO1kjbbcx15CMiEIoH++fKkIkQ/6SJ+b9qQ/4f
odzDk27Pyuiqyy/ldFkqHO6OL0NHoOxo8x8qL7DMZ/P6BzF5nNxdHSZ

...etc

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Now the problem is that PINE didn't recognize the MIME part, and I ended
up with 6 PART messages in base64 :( Any suggestions? Is this an
incomplete MIME implimentation by somebody? IBM? you? I don't know?
please help.

B.

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From [email protected] Fri Jul 8 09:42:42 1994
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No, pico is very tightly coupled with Pine, especially for constructing the
headers, so a complete replacement is not practical. Pine 3.90 will have an
option to automatically invoke your alternate editor for the body of the
message though.

I suppose you could write a libpico.a replacement that invoked emacs...... ;)

--DLM

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On 8 Jul 1994, Jerry Hom wrote:

> I was just getting started on using Pine. I notice that the
> default editor is pico, but that there is an option for an
> alternate editor. However, is there any way to make the
> default editor be 'emacs'? Any info is appreciated.
>
>
> Jerry
> --
>
>
> Jerry
>
>

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My problem was that I had generated the Solaris pine.conf by making a copy
of the SunOS 4.1 pine.conf, which, in turn, was generated by making a
copy of a .pinerc.

David, thanks much for your reply. = )

--

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> On Fri, 8 Jul 1994, Shahjehan Khatri wrote:
>
> > Hello! I am getting segmentation faults if I have something like the
> > following in pine.conf (the system configuration file) on SunOS 5.3:
> >
> > inbox-path={$IMAPSERVER}inbox
> >
> > On my personal account, I am defining IMAPSERVER as follows:
> >
> > IMAPSERVER=ecstest.asu.edu
> > export IMAPSERVER
> >
> > If I get rid of pine.conf and specify the path to the inbox (as above) in
> > my .pinerc, I have no trouble.
> >
> > I can't take any more core dumps. Please advise.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>

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[ It is currently available from comp.sources.misc, volume 43.
There have been a considerable amount of changes since v2.91, for details
look in the HISTORY file inside the package. ]

The procmail mail processing program. (v3.03 1994/06/30)

Can be used to create mail-servers, mailing lists, sort your incoming mail
into separate folders/files (real convenient when subscribing to one or more
mailing lists or for prioritising your mail), preprocess your mail, start
any programs upon mail arrival (e.g. to generate different chimes on your
workstation for different types of mail) or selectively forward certain
incoming mail automatically to someone.

Procmail can be used:
- and installed by an unprivileged user (for himself only).
- as a drop in replacement for the local delivery agent /bin/mail
(with biff/comsat support).
- as a general mailfilter for whole groups of messages (e.g. when
called from within sendmail.cf rules).

The accompanying formail program enables you to generate autoreplies, split up
digests/mailboxes into the original messages, do some very simple
header-munging/extraction, or force mail into mail-format (with leading From
line).

----------------------
A recent version can be picked up at various comp.sources.misc archives.
The latest version can be obtained directly from the ftp-archive at:

ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.225.3)

as (g)zipped tar file: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz <160KB
as compressed tar file: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.Z <224KB
----------------------

Feature summary for procmail:
+ It's less filling (i.e. small)
+ Very easy to install (rated PG6 :-)
+ Simple to maintain and configure because
all you need is actually only ONE executable (procmail)
and ONE configuration file (.procmailrc)
+ Is event driven (i.e. gets invoked automagically when mail arrives)
+ Does not use *any* temporary files
+ Uses standard egrep regular expressions
+ It poses a very low impact on your system's resources
(it's 1.4 times faster than the average /bin/mail in user-cpu
time)
+ Allows for very-easy-to-use yes-no decisions on where the mail
should go (can take the size of the mail into consideration)
+ Also allows for neural-net-type weighted scoring of mails
+ Filters, delivers and forwards mail *reliably*
+ Provides a reliable hook (you might even say anchor :-) for any
programs or shell scripts you may wish to start upon mail arrival
+ Performs heroically under even the worst conditions
(file system full, out of swap space, process table full,
file table full, missing support files, unavailable executables,
denied permissions) and tries to deliver the mail somehow anyway
+ Absolutely undeliverable mail (after trying every trick in the book)
will bounce back to the sender (or not, your choice)
+ Is one of the few mailers to perform reliable mailbox locking across
NFS as well (DON'T use NFS mounted mailboxes WITHOUT installing
procmail; you may lose valuable mail one day)
+ Supports four mailfolder standards: single file folders (standard
and nonstandard VNIX format), directory folders that contain one file
per message, or the similar MH directory folders (numbered files)
+ Variable assignment and substitution is an extremely complete subset
of the standard /bin/sh syntax
+ Provides a mail log file, which logs all mail arrival, shows
in summary whence it came, what it was about, where it went (what
folder) and how long (in bytes) it was
+ Uses this log file to display a wide range of diagnostic and error
messages (if something went wrong)
+ Does not impose *any* limits on line lengths, mail length (as long
as memory permits), or the use of any character (any 8-bit character,
including '\0' is allowed) in the mail
+ It has man pages (boy, does *it* have man pages)
+ Procmail can be used as a local delivery agent with comsat/biff
support (*fully* downwards compatible with /bin/mail); in which case
it can heal your system mailbox, if something messes up the
permissions
+ Secure system mailbox handling (contrary to several well known
/bin/mail implementations)
+ Provides for a controlled execution of programs and scripts from
the aliases file (i.e. under defined user ids)
+ Allows you to painlessly shift the system mailboxes into the
user's home directories
+ It runs on virtually all (old and future) operating systems which
names start with a 'U' or end in an 'X' :-) (i.e. extremely portable
code; POSIX, ANSI C and K&R conforming)
+ Is clock skew immune (e.g. in the case of NFS mounted mailboxes)
+ Can be used as a general mailfilter for whole groups of messages
(e.g. when called from within sendmail.cf rules).
+ Works with (among others?) sendmail, smail, MMDF and mailsurr

Feature summary for formail:
+ Can generate auto-reply headers
+ Can convert mail into standard mailbox format (so that you can
process it with standard mail programs)
+ Can split up mailboxes into the individual messages
+ Can split up digests into the individual messages
+ Can split up saved articles into the individual articles
+ Can do simple header munging/extraction
+ Can extract messages from mailboxes
+ Can recognise duplicate messages

Feature summary for lockfile:
+ Provides NFS-secure lockfiles to shell script programmers
+ Gives normal users the ability to lock their system mailbox,
regardless of the permissions on the mail-spool directory
----------------------
--
Sincerely, [email protected]
Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless).

Time is nature's way of making sure everything doesn't happen at once.

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[ It is currently available from comp.sources.misc volume43. ]

The SmartList mailinglist management package. (v3.03 1994/06/30)

The SmartList mailinglist package has been built on top of the procmail
mail processing package. In order to install it you'll need the source
of the procmail package as well.

If you now have just the SmartList sources, get the procmail sources and
unpack them on top of the SmartList source tree.
----------------------
A recent version of both packages can be picked up at various
comp.sources.misc archives.
The latest versions can be obtained directly from the ftp-archive at:

ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

as (g)zipped tar files: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz
/pub/packages/procmail/SmartList.tar.gz
as compressed tar files: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.Z
/pub/packages/procmail/SmartList.tar.Z
----------------------
Summary of what SmartList provides:
+ The overseeable management of an arbitrary number of mailinglists
+ Convenient and simple creation of new mailinglists
+ Convenient and simple removal of existing mailinglists
+ Fully automated subscription/unsubscription/help-request processing
(no operator intervention needed)
+ Enough intelligence to overcome the ignorance of some subscribers
(will direct subscribe and unsubscribe requests away from the
regular list and automatically onto the -request address)
+ No hardwired format for (un)subscribe requests (i.e. new subscribers
need not be educated, unsubscribing users do not need to remember
any particular syntax)
+ *Intelligent* autoremoval of addresses from the list that cause
too many bounces
+ Submissions can be limited to people on the accept list (which could
be the current list of subscribers)
+ The fully automated subscription mechanism allows for a reject list
of unwanted subscribers and a general address screening mechanism
which allows you to control exactly who is allowed to subscribe
+ Optional implicit subscription upon first submission to the list
+ MIME-compliant auto-digest-generation (configurable per list)
+ Joint management of several mailinglists possible
+ Customisation per mailinglist or mailinglist group possible (simply
remove or create the desired hardlinks)
+ A listmaintainer can be assigned per list; miscellaneous requests
that couldn't be handled by the list automatically are then
forwarded to his mail address (instead of being accumulated in
a file)
+ Allows for remote maintenance of any mailinglist by a
listmaintainer
+ Integrated archiving service
+ Integrated diagnostic aid to give hints to the maintainer about
possible problems
+ Moderated mailinglists with an arbitrary number of moderators
+ Automatically eliminates duplicate submissions
+ You can set up a mailinglist to function as a standalone mail
archive server
+ Extended MIME support (autorecognition of well known file formats)
+ The archive server can send arbitrarily long (even binary) files
in MIME-multipart mails
----------------------
--
Sincerely, [email protected]
Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless).

Time is nature's way of making sure everything doesn't happen at once.

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From: [email protected] (Srinivas Kotla)
Subject: Re: Enhancement suggestion: multiple addressbooks
Date: 8 Jul 1994 18:57:49 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>, David L Miller <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Pine 3.90 will support multiple addressbooks.
>
Does this also include public address books that sys admins can maintain
for a whole network?

--
So long....
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From [email protected] Fri Jul 8 15:39:01 1994
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From: [email protected] (~{3BR]Az~}CHEN Yilong)
Subject: UTF-7 support? sample utilities.
Date: 8 Jul 1994 20:34:20 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

how about supporting UTF-7 (see my .sig for sample).
some prototype conversion utilities esp between chinese BIG5,GB <-> UTF-7
is now available at ifcss.org:/software/unix/convert/utf7

nelson
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From: [email protected] (Carl J Digiorgio)
Subject: Installing Pine
Date: 8 Jul 1994 21:05:38 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

Do I need to have root access to successfully install Pine? I was able to
compile it rather easily, but am having trouble getting it to work. The
tech-notes reccommend placing the executables in either /usr/local/bin or
/usr/bin On my system, those directories are write protected, and I am not
able to install them there. When I put them (the executables) in my home
directory, I am able to start up Pine, etc. and even send mail messages.
However, when I try to test receiving mail, the received messages all go
to the current mail program. Do I need to create a bin directory in my
home directory and link it? If so, how do I go about doing so. Any help
would be appreciated.

I am also having a few problems when I do run it. For example, whenever I
try to compose a message, after I type in the address, I normally hit
enter to move to the next field which is CC. However, when I hit enter
it asks me which file I want to attach. The only way for me to move to the
next field is using the arrow keys. Also, as I'm typing the message using
Pico...Every time I hit enter, it concatanates the current line to the line
above it. I use Pine on another system and have never had these problems,
so I assume I am installing wrong or something. Any ideas?

Thank you.

--
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
/ _ _/ /_ _/ / \ Carl J. DiGiorgio "The reward for work well
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Subject: Re: UTF-7 support? sample utilities.
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UTF-7 support is a possibility for the future, but it is going to take
_alot_ of work to handle it right!

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 8 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> how about supporting UTF-7 (see my .sig for sample).
> some prototype conversion utilities esp between chinese BIG5,GB <-> UTF-7
> is now available at ifcss.org:/software/unix/convert/utf7
>
> nelson
> --
> +lnM Nelson Chin 102 Brook Street Quincy MA 02170 1508 024 USA
> +kDg CIIP: nchin+AEA-hnt.com CICC: cyl+AEA-ifcss.org PH:+-1 617 472 2851
> +n40 PRODIGY: GWBV10E+AEA-prodigy.com BU: butta1+AEA-bu.edu UTF-7 code
>
>

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Subject: BUG: Forced exit when composing
Date: 8 Jul 1994 01:20:48 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I think this might have been said before, but I am not sure. I
have been kicked out of PINE 3.89 numerous times while composing a message
(I think it has usually been postponed messages), as soon as I receive
mail. Is there anyway to prevent this from happening or at least retrieve
my lost composition?
_________________________________________________________________________
Jay Allen Texas-Ex '93 Tulane Medical School
Southeastern Intercollegiate Sailing Association Executive Vice-President
_________________________________________________________________________
--- It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that
--- man.

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From: [email protected] (Noel Hunter)
Subject: Please help with rimpapd
Date: 9 Jul 1994 02:12:50 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I have pine running with imapd, but would like to use the rimpad feature.
I understand how to link from /etc/rimapd to imapd, but I do not
understand how to use it. I have read the tech notes over and over, and
it seems like I am missing something-- a basic understanding of how to use
rsh to access tcp sockets. Can someone post or direct me to cookbook
instructions for getting it to work?

--
* Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
* email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *

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From: [email protected] (Chris Zagar)
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I have a problem that I hope someone knows the solution to. We are
running Pine on a PC running BSD/386. Everything works great except
when people connect to the machine using NCSA Telnet on the Mac.
For these people, the return key ends up being treated like it
is sending linefeeds during mail creation, such that hitting return
either tries to attach files or in the body tries to reform the
paragraph.

Any suggestions?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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We run a system that has both Macs and PC's connected by CAP and PC-NFS
respectively to a Sun/Auspex NFS environment.

PC users mount their Unix home directories via PC-NFS and use Pine on Unix
for email. Mac users mount their Unix home directories via CAP and use
Eudora on Mac for email.

Mac -> PC document transfer seems much easier than PC -> Mac, mainly due to
the way in which Mac resource forks are handled. Excel on Mac refuses to
open PC Excel spreadsheets MIME mailed Pine->Eudora or saved via PC-NFS
and read via CAP. Resediting the file to fix Type/Creator does not seem
to fool Excel.

Does anyone with a similar environment have a tried and tested regime for
passing documents from PC <-> Mac via shared directories and/or MIME ?

Mike

==============================================================================
Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430
The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094

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Is there a way to save a file so that this:

>From [email protected] Wed Jun 29 10:35:43 1994
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looks like this

Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Donohue <[email protected]>
To: Gwendolyn El Eckman <[email protected]>
Subject: frustration

I am trying to condense things so that I can print out a series of letters
in one file, and not page by page with the pine print command.

thanks,

Gwen

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From: [email protected] (Barry Bouwsma)
Subject: Re: Removing Headers
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In a previous article, [email protected] (Gwendolyn El Eckman) says:

>Is there a way to save a file so that this:
> [full header]
>looks like this
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Christopher Donohue <[email protected]>
>To: Gwendolyn El Eckman <[email protected]>
>Subject: frustration
>
> [message]

Yes. <E>xport the file. It will be written into your home directory
rather than your mail directory. Any special encodings will be converted
to displayable characters. And you will get only these headers. You can
also export multiple messages to the same file, appending each to the
previous exported message.

--
Barry Bouwsma, in Ann Arbor Michigan, soon to be back biking eastern Europe
MIME mail to <[email protected]> , ASCII text to <[email protected]>
Unemployable System Cracker seeking work; food; chocolate; Czech pastries,
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Subject: Re: Off-line composing
Date: 9 Jul 1994 21:46:53 GMT
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References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

The ANSI-like codes displayed during and after an ASCII upload from
Procomm go away if I press control-L (redraw screen). It isn't necessary
to press control-J (justify), so you don't need to worry about messing up
formatting.

--Keith Ivey <[email protected]>
Washington, DC

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Subject: Setting line length?
Date: 9 Jul 1994 22:13:59 GMT
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Is it possible to set the line length in Pine? I think 80-character lines
are too long to read comfortably, and they often lead to ugly wrapping if
quoted.

(Of course, I have the same problem with Tin, which also uses Pico.)

--Keith Ivey <[email protected]>
Washington, DC

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From: [email protected] (Ian Goh)
Subject: When can we expect pine for the Mac?
Date: 9 Jul 1994 23:02:12 -0400
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I've seen PC Pine. Any indication as to when Mac Pine will be
available? Is it in alpha, beta testing? Or is it still vapor ware?

TIA,

--- Ian ---
ps. if you need a tester, give me a holler!

--

"Shop smart, shop S-MART."
- Ash, "Army of Darkness"

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From: Joe Brennan <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] (Chris Zagar)
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Pine and NCSA Telnet for Mac on BSD/386
In-Reply-To: Your message of 8 Jul 1994 21:54:06 -0700
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

> I have a problem that I hope someone knows the solution to. We are
> running Pine on a PC running BSD/386. Everything works great except
> when people connect to the machine using NCSA Telnet on the Mac.
> For these people, the return key ends up being treated like it
> is sending linefeeds during mail creation, such that hitting return
> either tries to attach files or in the body tries to reform the
> paragraph.
>
> Any suggestions?

We had to rewrite the code to move functions away from control-J.
Some sites do not have this problem, including the home of pine in
Washington, but some do. I would sincerely request a "no control j"
compile option in some forthcoming version. I'll try to package the
changes as a patch for 3.90; right now the various changes we did are
intermingled, so I don't have this part readily available.

You may note that literally control key and J ends up as a control-M
character on the unix host. This is the problem. We could not find
what does it. The version of telnet is the same one they have at
Washington. Probably it is somewhere in the network.

Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems
Columbia University in the City of New York
[email protected]

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We do not have any plans for a Mac port at this time. One of the Pine Team
members has done some preliminary investigation in his spare time, but he has
set it aside for now...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 9 Jul 1994, Ian Goh wrote:

> I've seen PC Pine. Any indication as to when Mac Pine will be
> available? Is it in alpha, beta testing? Or is it still vapor ware?
>
> TIA,
>
> --- Ian ---
> ps. if you need a tester, give me a holler!
>
> --
>
> "Shop smart, shop S-MART."
> - Ash, "Army of Darkness"
>
>
>

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That feature has been frequently requested, but is not yet implemented...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 9 Jul 1994, Keith Ivey wrote:

> Is it possible to set the line length in Pine? I think 80-character lines
> are too long to read comfortably, and they often lead to ugly wrapping if
> quoted.
>
> (Of course, I have the same problem with Tin, which also uses Pico.)
>
> --Keith Ivey <[email protected]>
> Washington, DC
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Donald Pirl)
Subject: Re: Problem with MIME? (fwd)
Date: 10 Jul 1994 00:21:18 -0700
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Brian P. Hampson ([email protected]) wrote:

: KEItbGgwLUUAAAAxAAAAZgrkHAABD0VBU1xDb250cm9sLmRsbD7UTQ8AT0NvbnRyb2wuZGxs
: /wUAANC5AAAxAAAAAAgIAC5BUFBUWVBFAP7/BAAAABBAAAUOAC5UWVBFAP3/CgBFeGVjdXRh
: YmxlIWstbGg1Le9fAABX4AAAVgrkHAAAC0NvbnRyb2wuZGxs+9ImSIXd9tWk5P977999J37s
: 792d6JFILFYr0pBgrFhbSEBYEISASDIQhIpIACAwiUAh2VBSAQ7BD6+zoRqWoZYqNpbhcpeP
: XEdYCKyEBkFG0BKsuJcYqWvYwtY1GEUi9///ffu97JJBFo5jcy3Mu7bm7zN3Obmbm5u5nM28
: 5rnMzeZu3Oc3yd8PfC3m+Du+Dvj74+fi9ncO1kjbbcx15CMiEIoH++fKkIkQ/6SJ+b9qQ/4f
: odzDk27Pyuiqyy/ldFkqHO6OL0NHoOxo8x8qL7DMZ/P6BzF5nNxdHSZ

Somehow I am sending messages like the above using Pine. It happens when
I read in a file [^R] which I have uploaded from my DOS PC to the Unix
workstation where I have my Internet account. After that at the end of
every line there is ^M (which acts like _one_ character if I try to delete
it. If I e-mail it others see it as above and forward it to me to show
me.

Could it be that the ^M toggles MIME? (I don't even know what MIME is :)
) The work-around I'm using to use uploaded files is to send them first
to myself after including them. They come though fine, then I forward the
message to the real recipient (first removing the header).

Thanks for any help.

Don

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From: [email protected] (Noel Hunter)
Subject: Re: Pine and NCSA Telnet for Mac on BSD/386
Date: 10 Jul 1994 07:47:23 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

You mat be able to termorarily work around the problem with an stty
command to change the way ctrl-j and ctrl-m work. Here are some
possibilities to try (with explanations from the stty man page):

stty options

options that might affect it:

igncr (-igncr) Ignore (do not ignore) CR on input.
icrnl (-icrnl) Map (do not map) CR to a new-line character
on input.
onlcr (-onlcr) Map (do not map) new-line character to a
carriage-return/new-line character sequence
on output.
ocrnl (-ocrnl) Map (do not map) CR to new-line character on
output.
onlret (-onlret) On the terminal, a new-line character
performs (does not perform) the CR function.

typing stty -a should show the current setup.

Good luck!

--
* Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
* email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *

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From: [email protected] (Ben T. Feese)
Subject: Re: Public address books - RFI
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 02:07:45 GMT
References: <[email protected]>

Srinivas Kotla ([email protected]) wrote:
>"Hi all,
>" Excuse me if this was
discussed before. I was wondering if there is any scheme to maintain
public address lists such that all the unix users at our site can look up
local addresses? PC mail systems provide that feature so that people dont
have to rem ember/know email addresses.

>" Please post or send responses to [email protected]. Thanks.

>"--
>"So long....
>"Srinivas Kotla.
=========================================================
Such a feature would be great. What would be even greater would be to
be able to access such a list, from within pine, remotely at other
Internet domains. (sort of a "directory assistance" for Internet)

=============================================================================
Ben T. Feese
Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program
Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA)
Internet: [email protected] Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925

From [email protected] Sun Jul 10 04:51:51 1994
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From: [email protected] (Dan Ford)
Subject: Re: default editor
Date: 10 Jul 1994 11:18:07 GMT
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>No, pico is very tightly coupled with Pine, especially for constructing the
>headers, so a complete replacement is not practical. Pine 3.90 will have an
>option to automatically invoke your alternate editor for the body of the
>message though.

I think this questions has been asked before, and perhaps answered, but
what unix editor can I invoke on my host machine or download to it that
will more closely resemble WordStar?

It has always been true that I have a tendency to use WordStar commands
while writing email online, but now that the host has switched from
clunky Eve to slicker Pico/Pine, I find that I now have a tendency to use
Pine commands while in WordStar!

Plus I can't stand those long reaches to ctrl-@. Ctrl f, b, d, and h
don't post any problem, but ctrl-c is bad (it's page down in WordStar) as
is cntrl-x (I don't remember what that does in WordStar, but my fingers
do, and that is the whole problem--a touch typist doesn't know what the
fingers are doing; they just go ahead and do it!).
--
- Dan <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Sun Jul 10 09:37:15 1994
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Subject: Re: Problem with MIME? (fwd)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT)
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Some versions of Pine (e.g. 3.87) will trigger BASE64 encoding on a ^M. Pine
3.89 is much less sensitive in that regard....

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 10 Jul 1994, Donald Pirl wrote:

> Brian P. Hampson ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : KEItbGgwLUUAAAAxAAAAZgrkHAABD0VBU1xDb250cm9sLmRsbD7UTQ8AT0NvbnRyb2wuZGxs
> : /wUAANC5AAAxAAAAAAgIAC5BUFBUWVBFAP7/BAAAABBAAAUOAC5UWVBFAP3/CgBFeGVjdXRh
> : YmxlIWstbGg1Le9fAABX4AAAVgrkHAAAC0NvbnRyb2wuZGxs+9ImSIXd9tWk5P977999J37s
> : 792d6JFILFYr0pBgrFhbSEBYEISASDIQhIpIACAwiUAh2VBSAQ7BD6+zoRqWoZYqNpbhcpeP
> : XEdYCKyEBkFG0BKsuJcYqWvYwtY1GEUi9///ffu97JJBFo5jcy3Mu7bm7zN3Obmbm5u5nM28
> : 5rnMzeZu3Oc3yd8PfC3m+Du+Dvj74+fi9ncO1kjbbcx15CMiEIoH++fKkIkQ/6SJ+b9qQ/4f
> : odzDk27Pyuiqyy/ldFkqHO6OL0NHoOxo8x8qL7DMZ/P6BzF5nNxdHSZ
>
> Somehow I am sending messages like the above using Pine. It happens when
> I read in a file [^R] which I have uploaded from my DOS PC to the Unix
> workstation where I have my Internet account. After that at the end of
> every line there is ^M (which acts like _one_ character if I try to delete
> it. If I e-mail it others see it as above and forward it to me to show
> me.
>
> Could it be that the ^M toggles MIME? (I don't even know what MIME is :)
> .) The work-around I'm using to use uploaded files is to send them first
> to myself after including them. They come though fine, then I forward the
> message to the real recipient (first removing the header).
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: default editor
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On 10 Jul 1994, Dan Ford wrote:

> I think this questions has been asked before, and perhaps answered, but
> what unix editor can I invoke on my host machine or download to it that
> will more closely resemble WordStar?

Look for an editer called 'joe'. It is a very small, but full-featured
editor that uses wordstar bindings.

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From: [email protected] (Mitch Chen)
Subject: new version of pine?
Date: 10 Jul 1994 11:02:47 -0700
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

So what is the newest version of pine for unix now? I heard they will be
relesae a newer version this summer which allow you request a returen
receipt. Anyone know when are they going to come out? and where to get it?
Thank U!

Please use Email to reply, thankx.
[email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Edgar Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Pine and NCSA Telnet for Mac on BSD/386
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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 19:21:58 GMT

Chris Zagar ([email protected]) wrote:
: I have a problem that I hope someone knows the solution to. We are
: running Pine on a PC running BSD/386. Everything works great except
: when people connect to the machine using NCSA Telnet on the Mac.
: For these people, the return key ends up being treated like it
: is sending linefeeds during mail creation, such that hitting return
: either tries to attach files or in the body tries to reform the
: paragraph.

I saw this problem too. I was able to get rid of it by finagling with
the NCSA telnet(2.6) settings. I think it was disabling the 'linemode' setting
in one of the preferences, unfortunately I can't get to my mac with
the right settings.....

edgar nielsen

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From: [email protected] (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)
Subject: Re: Pine Folders -> Eudora (PC) mailboxes
Date: 10 Jul 1994 23:04:02 +0300
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Caitrin Lynch) writes:

>How can I transform my pine folders into something readable Eudora (PC).

I just transferred my Eudora (Mac) folders to my unix account, and put
them in ~/mail. I used ftp where the ftp-client did the proper linefeed
conversion. Pine read the files with no problems. I suppose you can
make it happen the other way around too.
--
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"Peace and Long Life."
"Live Long and Prosper."

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: re: When can we expect pine for the Mac?
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Ian -

Mac Pine is still vapor. I hope that I may be able to return to working
on it later this year. I'm currently involved with other tasks.

As a temporary expedient, I recommend Mail Drop from Baylor as a very
nice (if somewhat minimal) IMAP client for the Mac. To date, it's the only
Mac program I've tested which is reliable (I've never had it crash) and uses
IMAP in the remote access model.

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine and NCSA Telnet for Mac on BSD/386
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:09:33 -0700
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Joe -

The problem is not in NCSA Telnet, but rather in the telnetd on the UNIX
host. A version of BSD telnetd of several years ago did not handle Telnet
newlines correctly. This was fixed back in 1991, but a lot of vendors still
are distributing the old broken version.

A workaround for some systems (e.g. NeXT) is the command: stty -extproc

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Chris -

Your problem with returns being transmogrified to line feeds is a known
bug in old versions of the BSD Telnet daemon. The choice is to upgrade to a
newer version of telnetd, or try the command
stty -extproc
as a possible workaround.

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From: [email protected] (Derek R. Fredrickson)
Subject: Saving Messages on Tin
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 22:46:10 GMT

I am not sure if this is the place for this question vut I thought I
would ask it anyway.. When I use tin to read all my newsgroups I use
Shift K to delete a message, but how do I save a message to stay in that
message after reading it? After I read a message it delete's it when I
exit that newsgroup.. Any ideas?

--
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Cutting & pasting, even if in this kludgy way, would be a most welcome
feature in pine. Is it technically too difficult to work into a future
version?
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David L Miller ([email protected]) wrote:

>"No.

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>"On 8 Jul 1994, Daniel M. Cabirac wrote:

>"> Is it possible to save the material that you cut from a file to a file
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From: [email protected] (Bill Campbell)
Subject: pine3.89 on SCO ODT 3.0 -- without mmdf
Date: 11 Jul 1994 01:33:44 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I compiled pine3.89 this afternoon for SCO 3.0 without mmdf to use
with smail-3.1.28 and sendmail. I used the imap-3.2 c-client that
we've been using here for several months (copied the ANSI/c-client
directory directly into the pine hierarchy). For pine itself, I
started with the HP (hpp) files as I had done with pine-3.07, and
there were very few modifications necessary to get this working.

The main things I had to do was to change the load libraries in the
makefile and a couple of minor defines in the osdep/os-sco.h file
(vfork isn't available, and it needs sys/time.h). I also added a
truncate() command to the os-sco.h.

This seems to be working, but I haven't thoroughly tested all the
options. It appears to work properly both with mailboxes on remote
systems, and with local mailboxes. It did not work on a local file in
mmdf format (but then I wasn't trying to make this work :-).

The compiled source is in:
ftp.celestial.com:/pub/sco-ports/unix/pine-3.89.tar.gz

I would be interested in any feedback from anybody who tries this or
other people who've got pine working on SCO without mmdf.

It's been a while since I last looked at pine (version 3.07 to be
specific). At that time, I also started with the HP files, and had to
change a call to disk_space because of different block size reporting.
I didn't find any references to this in the pine-3.89 distribution so
this change wasn't made here.

Bill
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From: [email protected] (Mitch Regenbogen)
Subject: Printing full headers
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I've added the command to .pinerc which enables the full header menu
option, but even with the full header displayed the print command prints
only the basic 4-line header. Is there a way for the Pine print command
to include the full header? Thanks.
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From: [email protected] (Jeffrey Scott Traigle)
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Mark Crispin <[email protected]> writes:

> As a temporary expedient, I recommend Mail Drop from Baylor as a very
>nice (if somewhat minimal) IMAP client for the Mac. To date, it's the only
>Mac program I've tested which is reliable (I've never had it crash) and uses
>IMAP in the remote access model.

I would recommend Mailstrom. The only problem that I have had is having
PPP dial the modem when I start it up. This locks the computer up. I
have to to go into the PPP control panel to make the connection first.
Otherwise, I have had no crashes. (Of course, I've only used it
minimally from home, too, so take it for what it's worth.) I've heard that
version 2.0 is supposed to be right around the corner so enclosures will be
possible.

Having MacPine would be really nice though. I really dislike not having
access to my remote folders unless I telnet to one of my machines and use
Pine.

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David L Miller ([email protected]) wrote:

: Some versions of Pine (e.g. 3.87) will trigger BASE64 encoding on a ^M. Pine
: 3.89 is much less sensitive in that regard....

Thanks. Looks like my hunch was right. Now to get my site to upgrade to
3.89... (I'm guessing we have 3.87)

Don

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From: [email protected] (Greg Clayman)
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[email protected] wrote:

: The correct way to do this is to, in your .pinerc, specify "" as the
: folder to save to.

: Another way is to specify /dev/null as the folder to receive sent-mail.

The Pine on my system, by default, does *not* save outgoing mail into any
sort of snet-mail floder. What is the command I have to add (or change)
to .pinerc to get Pine to do this?

Thanks.

- Greg

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Is there a way (other than using postpone (^O) and quitting),
to interrupt Pine, drop to the operating system (spawn), do
something there, and then exit back to Pine?

Brian L. Hughes Computer Support Harvard Law School
[email protected]

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We have a concerned director of our network, who would like to know what
using ^S while in compose does to cause the session to freeze (and I can
verify that it does on everything from Mac to Sun to PC.)

And is there a way to trap the ^S signal so as to protect the unsuspecting?

Grateful as always,

/\ /\ /\ Michael Showers
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>
>
> We have a concerned director of our network, who would like to know what
> using ^S while in compose does to cause the session to freeze (and I can
> verify that it does on everything from Mac to Sun to PC.)
>
> And is there a way to trap the ^S signal so as to protect the unsuspecting?
>
I don't know of any way to trap the ^S, but you can probably set ixany
for the terminal session which will treat any character from the
terminal as an xon to restart transmission. You may want to do this
by putting it in the /etc/gettydefs for the terminal, or it could
probably be put in a shell wrapper for pine. i.e.

:
#! /bin/sh
STTY=`stty -g` # save current settings
pine # execcute pine
stty $STTY # restore settings to previous values.

Bill
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On Mon, 11 Jul 1994, Bill Campbell wrote:

> > And is there a way to trap the ^S signal so as to protect the unsuspecting?
> >
> I don't know of any way to trap the ^S, but you can probably set ixany
> for the terminal session which will treat any character from the
> terminal as an xon to restart transmission. You may want to do this
> by putting it in the /etc/gettydefs for the terminal, or it could
> probably be put in a shell wrapper for pine. i.e.
>
> :

Thanks, but

> #! /bin/sh
> STTY=`stty -g` # save current settings
> pine # execcute pine
> stty $STTY # restore settings to previous values.
>

Tried this, no joy, same freezing occurred. Perhaps it is a local problem
with our Sun.

/\ /\ /\ Michael Showers
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Try ^Q

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Pine will automatically try to open an rsh connection before trying the IMAP
port (143). If "rsh host /etc/rimapd" works, Pine should work. If not, the
errors from rsh should give you a place to start looking.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On 9 Jul 1994, Noel Hunter wrote:

> I have pine running with imapd, but would like to use the rimpad feature.
> I understand how to link from /etc/rimapd to imapd, but I do not
> understand how to use it. I have read the tech notes over and over, and
> it seems like I am missing something-- a basic understanding of how to use
> rsh to access tcp sockets. Can someone post or direct me to cookbook
> instructions for getting it to work?
>
> --
> * Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
> * email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *
>
>

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--
When I upload my ACSII file to mail to a friend, it shows up in PINE as
all run together, that is, my carriage returns don't make it.
I'm wondering what I'm not doing right.
If I attach the file, rather than just uploading it to be sent as
e-mail, will the same thing still happen?

Matthew

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Hello Again..

When I use a reply message why does my signature file always end up at
the top of the message? How do I change it to end up at the bottom of
the reply message?

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From: [email protected] (Peter Schmitz)
Subject: Q: Pine crashes on AIX32
Date: 12 Jul 1994 00:29:44 GMT
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Hello world,

Tonight I compiled Pine3.89 on our RS6000 running AIX3.2
Well, everything went fine, except that I got this message
when I tried to compose a message:

Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
Exiting pine.
Abort process (core dumped)

Hmmmm, great...any suggestions? Is the solution to this problem
in a FAQ? Pine looks a lot better than Elm and I just wanted
to give it a try, but it won't work.

Thanks for any help.
--
Peter
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market. Next year it will be about half the size of the pet food market and is
fast approaching the total worldwide sales of pantyhose"
-- James Finke, Pres., C= Ltd.(1982)

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From: [email protected] (Phil Wood)
Subject: Re: Signature File in Replies
Date: 11 Jul 1994 20:17:55 -0500
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
(Derek R. Fredrickson) writes:

>When I use a reply message why does my signature file always end up at
>the top of the message? How do I change it to end up at the bottom of
>the reply message?

Good question! And I don't know the answer either, but I do have a
'brute force' technique that works:

1) Use Ctrl-K's to delete the .signature that PINE imports.

2) Scroll down to the bottom of your response.

3) Use Ctrl-R to import another .signature.

It may not be pretty, but it works!

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From [email protected] Mon Jul 11 19:42:08 1994
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From: [email protected] (Mitch Regenbogen)
Subject: Re: cancelling the saving of outgoing mail...
Date: 11 Jul 1994 22:09:35 -0400
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Greg Clayman ([email protected]) wrote:
: [email protected] wrote:
:
: : The correct way to do this is to, in your .pinerc, specify "" as the
: : folder to save to.

: : Another way is to specify /dev/null as the folder to receive sent-mail.

: The Pine on my system, by default, does *not* save outgoing mail into any
: sort of snet-mail floder. What is the command I have to add (or change)
: to .pinerc to get Pine to do this?

In your .pinerc file add the line:

default-fcc=foldername

where foldername is the name you want Pine to store your sent mail in.
Then create a folder by that name in Pine.

That should do it.
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From: [email protected] (Frank Yao)
Subject: Re: Signature File in Replies
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Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 02:05:56 GMT

In article <[email protected]>, Phil Wood <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
>(Derek R. Fredrickson) writes:
>
>>When I use a reply message why does my signature file always end up at
>>the top of the message? How do I change it to end up at the bottom of
>>the reply message?
>
>Good question! And I don't know the answer either, but I do have a
>'brute force' technique that works:
>
>1) Use Ctrl-K's to delete the .signature that PINE imports.
>
>2) Scroll down to the bottom of your response.
>
>3) Use Ctrl-R to import another .signature.
>
>It may not be pretty, but it works!

I used to do that, and then I looked through my .pinerc, and added the
signature-at-bottom option.

- frank

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From: [email protected] (Steven King [Really!])
Subject: Re: ^S causes freeze-up
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 01:29:34 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <Pine.3.89.9407111318.A23240-0100000@ciao>

[email protected] (Michael Showers) publicly declared:
>On Mon, 11 Jul 1994, Bill Campbell wrote:
>
>> > And is there a way to trap the ^S signal so as to protect the unsuspecting?
>> >
>> I don't know of any way to trap the ^S, but you can probably set ixany
>> for the terminal session which will treat any character from the
>> terminal as an xon to restart transmission. You may want to do this
>> by putting it in the /etc/gettydefs for the terminal, or it could
>> probably be put in a shell wrapper for pine. i.e.
>>
>
>Thanks, but
>
>> #! /bin/sh
>> STTY=`stty -g` # save current settings
>> pine # execcute pine
>> stty $STTY # restore settings to previous values.
>>
>
>Tried this, no joy, same freezing occurred. Perhaps it is a local problem
>with our Sun.

The original poster forgot a line, specifically the one to set ixany.
Actually, you probably want to set -ixon instead. That will disable
XON/XOFF flow control completely. (I needed to do that to fix a
similar different problem here.)

#! /bin/sh
STTY=`stty -g` # save current settings
stty -ixon # disable XON/XOFF flow control
pine # execute pine
stty $STTY # restore settings to previous values.

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From: [email protected] (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: Signature File in Replies
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In article <[email protected]>, Phil Wood <[email protected]> wrote:
:In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
:(Derek R. Fredrickson) writes:
:
:>When I use a reply message why does my signature file always end up at
:>the top of the message? How do I change it to end up at the bottom of
:>the reply message?
:
:Good question! And I don't know the answer either, but I do have a
:'brute force' technique that works:

If I were the programmer who wrote the nice online help system that
pine comes with I'd be tearing out handfuls of hair by now!

Simply press '?' on the main menu, see the 'Configurable Features'
entry, note that item 9 says 'Placement of Signature Files', page down
to that item, and there is a lucid and complete explaination.

Brute force has its place, but not here.

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To: [email protected] (Steven King [Really!])
From: [email protected] (Michael Showers)
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Cc: [email protected]

In your message you said...

>Actually, you probably want to set -ixon instead. That will disable
>XON/XOFF flow control completely. (I needed to do that to fix a
>similar different problem here.)
>
>#! /bin/sh
>STTY=`stty -g` # save current settings
>stty -ixon # disable XON/XOFF flow control
>pine # execute pine
>stty $STTY # restore settings to previous values.
>

and you were right. I thank you and CIAO! thanks you!

/\ /\ /\ Michael Showers
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On 11 Jul 1994, Jim Davis wrote:

>
> If I were the programmer who wrote the nice online help system that
> pine comes with I'd be tearing out handfuls of hair by now!
>

I couldn't have said it any better myself!

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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Try the pre-compiled executables in the mail/unix-bin directory on
ftp.cac.washington.edu. Some AIX 3.2 systems have a compiler that generates
bogus code for a few of the code sequences in pine....

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4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 12 Jul 1994, Peter Schmitz wrote:

> Hello world,
>
> Tonight I compiled Pine3.89 on our RS6000 running AIX3.2
> Well, everything went fine, except that I got this message
> when I tried to compose a message:
>
> Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
> Exiting pine.
> Abort process (core dumped)
>
> Hmmmm, great...any suggestions? Is the solution to this problem
> in a FAQ? Pine looks a lot better than Elm and I just wanted
> to give it a try, but it won't work.
>
> Thanks for any help.
> --
> Peter
> GS d-- -p+ c++ !l u++ e+(*) m+(---) s++/- n- h-- f+ g+ w+ t+ r y+(*)
> --
>
> "The personal computer market is about the same size as the total potato chip
> market. Next year it will be about half the size of the pet food market and is
> fast approaching the total worldwide sales of pantyhose"
> -- James Finke, Pres., C= Ltd.(1982)
>
>
>

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From: [email protected] ()
Subject: newsletter sent from PINE
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 09:57:28 GMT

Hi, I have a question i hope someone may be able to help me with.I do a
small newsletter for my rock band and would like to put it into my
computer and send it out to people on our e-mailing list on a regular
basis.Maybe this is a real stupid question but how do i go about doing
that thru PINE? All super-simplified tips/answers would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

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From: [email protected] (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: PINE is not searching
Date: 12 Jul 1994 07:54:06 -0600
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Hi all,

PINE does not search in body of message
to find what you are looking for. I view this
as something very easy that should have been
implemented in earlier versions of pine.

Will this be in the next upgrade .... ?

Farid Hamjavar
[email protected]

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<[email protected]> was cancelled from within trn.
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You have to look for a file that changes: e.g. with MH

xbiff -file $HOME/.mail -update 30

Gordo

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From: [email protected] (Evelyn Albrecht)
Subject: Documentation for Pine 3.90
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 18:09:21 GMT

David Miller:

We're are updating our local printed Pine documentation this summer, and
it looks like the rough draft is due before Pine 3.90 will be released.
It is possible to get any documentation before the product is ready for
release?

Thank you,
Evelyn
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From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 13:19:02 1994
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From: [email protected] (Duffy Men)
Subject: How to attach a binary file????
Date: 12 Jul 1994 18:16:27 GMT
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I would like mail a binary file to someone. Can anyone tell me how to
attach a binary file and how big the size can be? my file may be 10 Mb.
Thank you??

From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 13:26:19 1994
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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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On 12 Jul 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote:

> PINE does not search in body of message
> to find what you are looking for. I view this
> as something very easy that should have been
> implemented in earlier versions of pine.
>
> Will this be in the next upgrade .... ?

Yes, Pine 3.90's "Select" command will allow for full text searching,
including via IMAP.

-teg

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From: Farid Hamjavar <[email protected]>
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Thanks.
I'll be looking forward to that.....

Farid

On Tue, 12 Jul 1994, Terry Gray wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
> To: Farid Hamjavar <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: PINE is not searching
>
>
> On 12 Jul 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote:
>
> > PINE does not search in body of message
> > to find what you are looking for. I view this
> > as something very easy that should have been
> > implemented in earlier versions of pine.
> >
> > Will this be in the next upgrade .... ?
>
> Yes, Pine 3.90's "Select" command will allow for full text searching,
> including via IMAP.
>
> -teg
>

From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 13:58:03 1994
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From: [email protected] (Alex Nishri)
Subject: No DNS resolving with PC Pine
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Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 19:28:47 GMT

We are using PC Pine 3.89 and Novell's LWP 4.12 TCP/IP stack. We are able to
get it to work except for one problem. In the PINERC file if we specify a
hostname for the inbox-path={hostname.utcc.utoronto.ca}inbox it doesn't work;
instead we have to specify the IP address of our IMAP server,
inbox-path=(hostip}inbox.

We noted that in the INSTALL.TXT file it tells us to set the DOS variable
EXCELAN=C:\NET (Unfortunately this choice of DOS variable name is not
very illuminating. It took a bit of head scratching before someone realized
that Excelan was the name of a company that Novell bought out many moons
ago.) However, when we set EXCELAN things still didn't work.

Finally, on a lark we put the hostname in C:\NET\HOST. When the EXCELAN DOS
variable is now set, things finally work. So, I assume that the undocumented
purpose of the EXCELAN variable is to let PC Pine find C:\NET\TCP\HOSTS so it
can fish around in there instead of using the domain name resolver.
Unfortunately, in a University with 70,000 people we don't want hostnames to
be propagated in /etc/hosts files all over--we must use Domain Name Servers.

Does anyone know how to make PC Pine 3.89 use the Novell LWP domain name
resolver rather than a hosts file?

Alex Nishri
Network Services
University of Toronto
[email protected]

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[email protected] (Evelyn Albrecht) writes:

>David Miller:

> We're are updating our local printed Pine documentation this summer,
///

Egads, I hope I do better with the documentation than that. (-:;

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From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 17:08:19 1994
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On 12 Jul 1994, Duffy Men wrote:

> I would like mail a binary file to someone. Can anyone tell me how to
> attach a binary file and how big the size can be? my file may be 10 Mb.
> Thank you??

You can only attach it to someone if they have MIME capabilies. If so,
then you can simply put the fully qualified filename in the ATTACHMENT
section of the header.

B.

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From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 21:12:43 1994
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Subject: Sending files
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How do I send a file using PINE? What directory do I have to put the file
in for PINE to find it?

TIA.

Paul

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Hey I am wondering if there is a way to get rid of the confirm delete msg
that I get as I leave a folder to go to another folder or when I quit pine.

my thoughts are if i delete it then i want it deleted and the
confirmation part is a hassle.

thanks in advance - andy

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Sorry to say, but I had absolutely no problem. I simply
modified the pinerc file to point to my server, set the
EXCELAN variable to C:\NET, which is the root directory
for my LWP 4.1 installation. I have NO hosts file, but a
simply configured resolv.cfg which does name resolution.

No problems whatsoever

Mike

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From [email protected] Wed Jul 13 08:13:01 1994
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Date: 13 Jul 1994 14:05:13 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I downloaded the editor called Joe as a tar.Z file. After bashing away at
the keyboard for a while, I managed to unzip it. So now I have Joe as a
tar file. Now what? I have tried install, run, joe, and lots of dumber
things, but the file just sits there and takes up space.

The system here is OSF/1
--
- Dan <[email protected]>

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Date: 13 Jul 1994 15:20:06 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I am the manager of the Campus Wide Information System here at the
University of North Texas. As such, some portions of student E-mail
access seem to be my responsibility. I am interested in your combined
experiences in granting thousands of E-mail/USERIDs to students,
faculty and staff. Since we are about to embark on a universal
access/electronic application process here at UNT, any input you could
provide could save us quite a bit of time. The following questions
cover our primary areas of concern:

1. What procedures do students, faculty and staff go through to get an
Internet mail capable E-mail/User ID? (assuming an incoming freshman
who has never had access to anything like this before)

2. Is the above procedure available to students, faculty and staff that
might be only on-campus on the weekends or after-hours? That is, can
it be access off-campus and if so, through what means (generic
anonymous application process available via modem/VT-100 based
sessions?)

3. What are the qualifications for being able to get a UserID? (full
time students only, academic status?)

4. Is there a comprehensive database of all eligble people that you
check against when someone applies for an account? Does the database
cover people that might be gone for the summer, continuing students,
transitional students, part-time student employees and those on
academic probation?

5. Is there any fee associated with using such accounts? If so, how is
collection of these fees handled and what steps are taken if accounts
are not payed? (including printing fees or generally accessed student
computer use fees. i.e. how is this system payed for?)

6. Are only UNIX, VAX or IBM-class mainframe accounts available? What
about Novell or AppleShare based accounts?

7. What remote access methods are available? (Generic VT-100 or
SLIP/PPP/other LAN based protocal)

8. What software is provided and is it site licesed if there are
SLIP/PPP/LAN protocal based access provided?

9. What method do you have of ensuring that the person filling out an
electronic form for a UserID (I assume that this is the method you use)
is indeed who they say they are? What athentication scheme is used?
(i.e. checking into a computer lab sufficient enough?)

10. Besides the possible central database that you check against to
ensure that they are a student, are the active E-mail accounts kept in
an X.500 database? A CSO (Gopher) database or where?

Thanks again greatly for your assistance in this matter.

=========================================
Mark Thacker [email protected]
CWIS Coordinator [email protected]
P.O.Box 13495 817-565-2324
Denton, TX 76203
=========================================

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I know this is the wrong group but what is Willow that is located at
ftp.cac.washington.edu?

Thanks

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From: Gupta Ajay <[email protected]>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:37:00 edt
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Hi,

I'm fairly new at this game, so please bear with me! I am not sure which
"flavor" of PC-Pine I should download: f, p, n, or s. I have a Dell 486
(running windows) and am on a Microsoft LAN. I want to send binary files
via the internet to a party also operating a pc on a novell LAN. I take it
PC-Pine can do the text-binary encode/decode for this to work. Right?

Ajay

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
To: "Terry L. Morgan" <tmorgan@sunmuw1>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Willow??
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On 13 Jul 1994, Terry L. Morgan wrote:

> I know this is the wrong group but what is Willow that is located at
> ftp.cac.washington.edu?

Willow is the "Washington Information Looker-upper Layered Over Windows"

It is an X-Mosaic general purpose information retrieval tool that UW
developed as a front-end to our library databases.

For more info, see

http://www.cac.washington.edu/willow

-teg

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Subject: Guide to using Pine?
Message-Id: <1994Jul13.122153.4885@rivers>
Date: 13 Jul 94 12:21:53 -0600

Hi all,

I was wondering if anybody has created a document on thier campus that
explains what Pine is and what some of the basic commands are. The reason I am
asking is we are trying to have everybody on our system (VAX/VMS, Unix, PC's)
to use Pine for email. Hopefully this will create less confusion.
We started to create a sample document, but wanted to look at others
that may have already been created. I did ftp to ftp.cac.washington.edu to see
if there was anything there and retrieved the pine.blurb and found that useful,
but still would like to see any others that may exist.
Please email me directly with any examples.

Thanks,
Joan M. Nistler

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| Joan M. Nistler | |
| send email to: [email protected] | Attempting to be an educator of |
| UW-River Falls Undergraduate | others, while learning more |
| Secondary Ed. : Math and Computer Science | myself. |
| | |
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I am currently trying to us folders on remote machines, and I am wondering
if there is any way to get pine to automating log you in i.e. just give
your name and password instead on prompting you for it, when you open that
folder.

thank in advance

--Chris
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From: Kenny Wickstrom <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Joe is here. Now what?
To: Dan Ford <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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On 13 Jul 1994, Dan Ford wrote:

>
> I downloaded the editor called Joe as a tar.Z file. After bashing away at
> the keyboard for a while, I managed to unzip it. So now I have Joe as a
> tar file. Now what? I have tried install, run, joe, and lots of dumber
> things, but the file just sits there and takes up space.
>
> The system here is OSF/1
> --
> - Dan <[email protected]>
Dan,

I am assuming the original file was named joe.tar.Z or something close.
The steps you need to follow are:
uncompress joe.tar.Z
This will uncompress the file and leave it as joe.tar
tar xf joe.tar
This will un-tar the file to produce whatever was tar'd.

Generally, at this point, you will need to compile and link the files to
generate the executables. I don't know anything about 'joe' so excuse
the vagueness. Included in the un-tar'd files will probably be some type
of documentation(e.g. Makefile, Configure, README) on how to create the
executables.

Hope this helps,
|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|Kenny Wickstrom | Breaking S/W is FUN | |
|[email protected] | (708)940-9000 x2349 | |
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There is a document that was written for the UW Uniform Access systems
that might be useful. It is available from ftp.u.washington.edu in the
pub/doc/uniform directory. The file is GetStartPine.ps.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 13 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anybody has created a document on thier campus that
> explains what Pine is and what some of the basic commands are. The reason I am
> asking is we are trying to have everybody on our system (VAX/VMS, Unix, PC's)
> to use Pine for email. Hopefully this will create less confusion.
> We started to create a sample document, but wanted to look at others
> that may have already been created. I did ftp to ftp.cac.washington.edu to see
> if there was anything there and retrieved the pine.blurb and found that useful,
> but still would like to see any others that may exist.
> Please email me directly with any examples.
>
> Thanks,
> Joan M. Nistler
>
> ------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------
> | Joan M. Nistler | |
> | send email to: [email protected] | Attempting to be an educator of |
> | UW-River Falls Undergraduate | others, while learning more |
> | Secondary Ed. : Math and Computer Science | myself. |
> | | |
> ------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------
>
>

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Date: 13 Jul 94 20:33:59 GMT
References: <[email protected]>

Thanks to everyone who answered my question. I was indeed able to "tar"
my joe.tar archive, or untar it I guess, but I ran out of space on my
disk before it finished.

Thus endeth my adventure in creative editing. I am resigned to using Pico.
--
- Dan <[email protected]>

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From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions <[email protected]>
Subject: How do I attach to news?
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Hi all,

I am trying to figure out how to attach to a local news feed with pine.
Anyone know. I know the directory where our local news feed is, so I
shouldn't need to worry about a domain name/nntp.....right? How do I do it?

Thanks in advnace

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From: [email protected] (James H Caldwell Jr)
Subject: Request for FAQ location
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: 13 Jul 94 21:01:47 GMT

Could someone please direct me to a FAQ on Pine (and/or PC Pine)
before I say something truly flame worthy on this group.

Thanks in advance.

--
James Caldwell Jr.
([email protected])
([email protected])

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From: [email protected] (Noel Hunter)
Subject: Re: Granting UserIDS/E-mail accounts? How are you doing it?
Date: 13 Jul 1994 21:35:12 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

Mark Thacker...CWIS Coordinator ([email protected]) wrote:

: 1. What procedures do students, faculty and staff go through to get an
: Internet mail capable E-mail/User ID? (assuming an incoming freshman
: who has never had access to anything like this before)

We found it easiest to create logins for everyone, rather than on the
fly. Students pick up logins at out help desk. The logins are printed
on carbon forms so that the password is concealed until the form is opened.

: 2. Is the above procedure available to students, faculty and staff that
: might be only on-campus on the weekends or after-hours? That is, can
: it be access off-campus and if so, through what means (generic
: anonymous application process available via modem/VT-100 based
: sessions?)

We require them to come in and present an ID, then sign a user agreement.

: 3. What are the qualifications for being able to get a UserID? (full
: time students only, academic status?)

Anyone enrolled.

: 4. Is there a comprehensive database of all eligble people that you
: check against when someone applies for an account? Does the database
: cover people that might be gone for the summer, continuing students,
: transitional students, part-time student employees and those on
: academic probation?

We access the student database to verify enrollment. We enter the logins
into the database, and generate automatic delete requests when students
leave.

: 5. Is there any fee associated with using such accounts? If so, how is
: collection of these fees handled and what steps are taken if accounts
: are not payed? (including printing fees or generally accessed student
: computer use fees. i.e. how is this system payed for?)

No fee.

: 6. Are only UNIX, VAX or IBM-class mainframe accounts available? What
: about Novell or AppleShare based accounts?

We use PCNFS and Cayman GatorBoxes to access the Unix password files.

: 7. What remote access methods are available? (Generic VT-100 or
: SLIP/PPP/other LAN based protocal)

All of the above.

: 8. What software is provided and is it site licesed if there are
: SLIP/PPP/LAN protocal based access provided?

We use Sassafras Keyserver, which provides IP based license control for
Mac and Windows.

: 9. What method do you have of ensuring that the person filling out an
: electronic form for a UserID (I assume that this is the method you use)
: is indeed who they say they are? What athentication scheme is used?
: (i.e. checking into a computer lab sufficient enough?)

Photo ID or registration slip is required.

: 10. Besides the possible central database that you check against to
: ensure that they are a student, are the active E-mail accounts kept in
: an X.500 database? A CSO (Gopher) database or where?

We use a CSO database.

--
* Noel Hunter, Academic Systems Administrator, Wake Forest University *
* email: [email protected] http://www.wfu.edu/~noel *

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Subject: Re: How do I attach to news?
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:59:58 -0700 (PDT)
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Pine currently assumes that your newsfeed is located in /usr/spool/news
and the active file is in /usr/lib/news/active. If that is the case,

news-collections=News *[]

should work. If not, you might be better off using nntp...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 13 Jul 1994, Steve Schow-Backstage Productions wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to figure out how to attach to a local news feed with pine.
> Anyone know. I know the directory where our local news feed is, so I
> shouldn't need to worry about a domain name/nntp.....right? How do I do it?
>
> Thanks in advnace
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you
> [email protected] | pick the pear with the big paw paw......
> (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......?
> 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How to spawn from Pine?
To: [email protected]
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On 11 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Is there a way (other than using postpone (^O) and quitting),
> to interrupt Pine, drop to the operating system (spawn), do
> something there, and then exit back to Pine?
>

Well, since I'm running csh, I can do a ctrl-z and put pine
in the background. When I'm done with what I wanted to do I use fg to
bring pine back.

Ed

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From: efalls%[email protected]
Subject: Pine executables
Date: 13 Jul 1994 19:40:26 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

This is a question about the pine executables. I tried to
compile Pine for Solaris and have some fatal errors which
I am trying to work out. I won't post them all there since
the errors and warnings are so long.

However, after compile trouble, I decided to try to
/mail/unix-bin solaris executables. When I try to run these
I get Execution Permission Denied messages.

To David: I apologize for originally sending this identical
question to your direct mail box. I did that before I read
your post that you much prefer questions to to be directed
here or to FTP bugs at cac washington edu. Thanks for your
patience

Ellen

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Computer Information Services | I saw myself as a creature
The Sage Colleges | driven and derided by vanity,
45 Ferry Street | and my eyes burned with
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|
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From: [email protected] (The Fantom Ferret)
Subject: Re: Joe is here. Now what?
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 00:47:44 GMT

Kenny Wickstrom wrote:
|On 13 Jul 1994, Dan Ford wrote:

|>
|> I downloaded the editor called Joe as a tar.Z file. After bashing away at
|> the keyboard for a while, I managed to unzip it. So now I have Joe as a
|> tar file. Now what? I have tried install, run, joe, and lots of dumber
|> things, but the file just sits there and takes up space.
|>
|> The system here is OSF/1
|> --
|> - Dan <[email protected]>
|Dan,

|I am assuming the original file was named joe.tar.Z or something close.
|The steps you need to follow are:
| uncompress joe.tar.Z
| This will uncompress the file and leave it as joe.tar
| tar xf joe.tar
| This will un-tar the file to produce whatever was tar'd.

|Generally, at this point, you will need to compile and link the files to
|generate the executables. I don't know anything about 'joe' so excuse
|the vagueness. Included in the un-tar'd files will probably be some type
|of documentation(e.g. Makefile, Configure, README) on how to create the
|executables.

Unless you got JOE 1.09, it won't build on OSF/1.

--
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From: [email protected] (BobinBerea)
Subject: Re: Uploading to PINE
Date: 13 Jul 1994 21:49:01 -0400
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matthew
Osborn) writes:

> When I upload my ACSII file to mail to a friend, it shows up in PINE as
> all run together, that is, my carriage returns don't make it.
> I'm wondering what I'm not doing right.

Curious---I have the very same problem; didn't used to, with other email
programs. Is there something in Pine that causes this problem? Uploading
an ASCII file gags the email message; sometimes just copying and pasting a
brief chunk of text makes it gag. Any clues, anyone?

Bob Fowler

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Subject: Re: Uploading to PINE
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On 13 Jul 1994, BobinBerea wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matthew
> Osborn) writes:
>
> > When I upload my ACSII file to mail to a friend, it shows up in PINE as
> > all run together, that is, my carriage returns don't make it.
> > I'm wondering what I'm not doing right.
>
> Curious---I have the very same problem; didn't used to, with other email
> programs. Is there something in Pine that causes this problem? Uploading
> an ASCII file gags the email message; sometimes just copying and pasting a
> brief chunk of text makes it gag. Any clues, anyone?

Clue #1

Be more specific about your operating environment.

What do you mean by "upload my ACSII file"? What type of
terminal emulation software are you using? Are you using a direct async
connection? Are you using TCP/IP? What TCP/IP software are you using?

Answers to questions can be more readily obtained....and you
are more likely to get help....if you *completely* define your problem.

Bottom line....don't be vague.

Ed

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The Pine FAQ is not yet available. I promise not to flame you unless the
question has been asked and answered twice in the last week ;)

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On 13 Jul 1994, James H Caldwell Jr wrote:

>
> Could someone please direct me to a FAQ on Pine (and/or PC Pine)
> before I say something truly flame worthy on this group.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
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> ([email protected])
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From: [email protected] (Yves Pelletier)
Subject: Detecting incoming mail in more than one inbox
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 20:26:47 GMT

Thanks to procmail and pine, my incoming mail now gets sorted
into separate inboxes, depending on what the message is about,
where it came from, etc.

The only problem is that now I only get paged when new mail
comes into the _default_ mailbox; but I also would like to be alerted
when mail comes into some of my other incoming folders. I suppose
I could have a separate xbiff for each mailbox, but that doesn't
strike me as very elegant, and it would clutter my desktop.

Is there a simple, automatic way to check more than one mailbox
for incoming mail?

Thanks

Yves
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From: [email protected] (Steve Froeschke)
Subject: Pine 3.89 under Interactive Unix 4.01
Date: 13 Jul 1994 15:57:22 -0700
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Has anyone been able to build Pine 3.89 under Interactive? If so, what
hoops did you have to jump through to get it to build?

Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Steve
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[email protected] (Kim Culhan) writes:
>How can NN be configured to cause the cursor to be placed at the starting point
>of text entry (not at the top of page in the header)

I don't know how to do this with pico but maybe the folks in comp.mail.pine
or comp.editors know...

>and also not ask for y/n on
>exiting.
>
>If its possible, it would also be nice to cause it to write out the file
>and not ask for verification of the file name to write.

For these you can use pico with the -t flag (tool mode), i.e., for nn put
the following in ~/.nn/init

set editor pico -t

Or if you're using csh (or one of its relatives) you can put these two
lines in your .login:

setenv EDITOR 'pico -t'
setenv VISUAL $EDITOR

Hope this helps,
Nancy

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Can PC-Pine make use of expanded or extended memory? Frequently, when I
try to forward a large message (20K+) PC-Pine "dies." Any thoughts?

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In article <[email protected]>,
Yves Pelletier <[email protected]> wrote:

:Is there a simple, automatic way to check more than one mailbox
:for incoming mail?

The Korn shell and recent versions of the Bourne shell support MAILPATH
and MAILCHECK environment variables that let you poll multiple mailboxes
at specified intervals.

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We have just installed dos pine with pine getting mail
from a unix server through IMAP. We are just wondering if
there is a way for the DOS machines to be notified if there
is new mail without going into pine.

Thanks

-- Quinn

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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 15:38:16 GMT

In article <[email protected]>,
Yves Pelletier <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The only problem is that now I only get paged when new mail
> comes into the _default_ mailbox; but I also would like to be alerted
> when mail comes into some of my other incoming folders. I suppose
> I could have a separate xbiff for each mailbox, but that doesn't
> strike me as very elegant, and it would clutter my desktop.
>
> Is there a simple, automatic way to check more than one mailbox
> for incoming mail?
>

Most shells allow you to specify a list of files to be checked for new
mail. In sh, ksh or bash you can set a colon seperated list of files in
the environment variable MAILPATH. Csh has something similar, I forget
the details. Check the man page for your favourite shell.

Regards,

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From: [email protected] (justin collins)
Subject: Errors While Compiling Pine for Unixware 1.1.1
Date: 14 Jul 1994 13:31:19 -0400
Message-Id: <jcollins.774206930@uhost1>

HELP ME!!!!!

I am trying to build pine for Unixware 1.1.1 and I keep getting the
following error. I tried to find the syntax errors in the code but
even retyping it didn't work (I do know C, and I could not find
anything wrong).

---------

/usr/ccs/bin/cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1023: warning: semantics of ">" change in AN
SI C; use explicit cast
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1434: newline in string literal
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1435: Syntax error before or at: if
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1453: Syntax error before or at: else
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1455: warning: declaration missing specifier
s: assuming "int"
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1455: identifier redeclared: q_status_message2
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1455: warning: function prototype parameters
must have types
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1455: warning: declaration missing specifier
s: assuming "int"
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1455: identifier redeclared: pretty_fn
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1455: Syntax error before or at: )
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1455: warning: syntax error: empty declarat
ion
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1457: Syntax error before or at: =
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1457: Syntax error before or at: ->
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1457: warning: parameter mismatch: 2 declare
d, 0 defined
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1458: Syntax error before or at: ->
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1458: warning: declaration missing specifier
s: assuming "int"
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1458: identifier redeclared: folder_delete
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1462: syntax error, probably missing ",", ";"
or "="
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1464: undefined symbol: new_foldername
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1464: undefined symbol: cntxt
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1464: warning: improper pointer/integer comb
ination: arg #1
UX:acomp: WARNING: "folder.c", line 1464: warning: improper pointer/integer comb
ination: arg #2
UX:acomp: ERROR: "folder.c", line 1465: cannot recover from previous errors
*** Error code 1 (bu21)

make: fatal error.

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: cannot open
bin/mtest: 145425 + 19952 + 4184 = 169561
bin/imapd: 144317 + 20288 + 12188 = 176793
bin/pico: 94161 + 25216 + 24068 = 143445
Done

-----------

any ideas?

-justin m. collins
<[email protected]>

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Subject: Re: NN + Pico -How to get cursor to start at beginning of text
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 11:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
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You can use the +nn flag to pico to specify what line to position the
cursor to, but it does not know how to parse for the end of the headers.
E.g.

pico +11 file

will open file and position the cursor to line 11. I will leave it to
the NN experts to give the aqppropriate magic to compute "+11"...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On 14 Jul 1994, Nancy McGough wrote:

> [email protected] (Kim Culhan) writes:
> >How can NN be configured to cause the cursor to be placed at the starting point
> >of text entry (not at the top of page in the header)
>
> I don't know how to do this with pico but maybe the folks in comp.mail.pine
> or comp.editors know...
>
>
> >and also not ask for y/n on
> >exiting.
> >
> >If its possible, it would also be nice to cause it to write out the file
> >and not ask for verification of the file name to write.
>
> For these you can use pico with the -t flag (tool mode), i.e., for nn put
> the following in ~/.nn/init
>
> set editor pico -t
>
> Or if you're using csh (or one of its relatives) you can put these two
> lines in your .login:
>
> setenv EDITOR 'pico -t'
> setenv VISUAL $EDITOR
>
>
> Hope this helps,
> Nancy
>
> --
> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii">Nancy McGough, Infinite Ink</A>
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Matthew Black)
Subject: pine3.89 for IRIX locks when opening folders
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 11:18:03
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I just installed Pine 3.89 on my Silicon Graphics system running IRIX 5.2.
When running pine, it creates two default folders
saved-messages
sent-mail

If I try to open either of these two empty folders, pine hangs.
Yes, the folders are not on the local hard disk, but are accessed from
and NFS file server. I read some recent posts about using IMAP.
However, these didn't give many details. How can I correct this problem?

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From: [email protected] (Paul Hirose)
Subject: Re: Detecting incoming mail in more than one inbox
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References: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 19:30:52 GMT

[email protected] (Yves Pelletier) writes:
>Is there a simple, automatic way to check more than one mailbox
>for incoming mail?

In various Bourne-shell derivatives, there is a mailpath environment variable.
In various csh derivatives, there is a mail shell variable.

But ince you mentined xbiff, there was a program posted to one of the .sources
newsgroups a few weeks ago, called "xmultibiff" which is a xbiff that can
do more than one mail-folder. It can also beep you when news-articles arrive
and all sorts of other stuff. You might want to try and see if you can find
that program too.

PH
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I do not speak for for UC Davis, Academic Computing Services, or anyone else.
Paul Hirose [email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Bruce David Chrustie)
Subject: Re: Joe is here. Now what?
Date: 14 Jul 1994 21:09:58 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dan Ford) writes:
>
>I downloaded the editor called Joe as a tar.Z file. After bashing away at
>the keyboard for a while, I managed to unzip it. So now I have Joe as a
>tar file. Now what? I have tried install, run, joe, and lots of dumber
>things, but the file just sits there and takes up space.
>

you have to untar it, (paint thinner, solvent, etc.)

or you could use 'tar -xvf joe.tar'

that would be easiest, I guess

and you should find your joe executable somewhere

if it doesn't work, let me know

bruce

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There is an application called "xmultibiff" which allows one to do this.

I think I got it from ftp.x.org

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Jim Davis) writes:
|> In article <[email protected]>,
|> Yves Pelletier <[email protected]> wrote:
|>
|> :Is there a simple, automatic way to check more than one mailbox
|> :for incoming mail?
|>
|> The Korn shell and recent versions of the Bourne shell support MAILPATH
|> and MAILCHECK environment variables that let you poll multiple mailboxes
|> at specified intervals.
|>

Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for. Our system defaults to csh,
though. Minor bummer... I'll have to switch shells to get what I want.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Neil Hoggarth) writes:

|> Most shells allow you to specify a list of files to be checked for new
|> mail. In sh, ksh or bash you can set a colon seperated list of files in
|> the environment variable MAILPATH. Csh has something similar, I forget
|> the details. Check the man page for your favourite shell.
|>

Neil,

You are right, of course. I just checked: the C shell allows multiple files
to be listed in the "mail" variable. For instance:

set mail=(/users/yves/mail/default /users/yves/mail/wx-talk /users/yves/mail/op-met)

I hope I got that right...
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From: [email protected] (Tom Strickland Jr)
Subject: Re: Errors While Compiling Pine for Unixware 1.1.1
Date: 15 Jul 1994 04:02:32 GMT
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References: <jcollins.774206930@uhost1>

justin collins ([email protected]) wrote:
: HELP ME!!!!!

: I am trying to build pine for Unixware 1.1.1 and I keep getting the
: following error. I tried to find the syntax errors in the code but
: even retyping it didn't work (I do know C, and I could not find
: anything wrong).

: any ideas?

Pine on Unixware Summary

How to compile:

Make the following changes to the pine/osdep/os-sv4.h file:
1. remove the comment on the line that has #define ANSI
2. comment out the line that defines const (#define const )
3. change the line for sendmail location to /usr/ucblib/sendmail
4. Change the defines so that pine/pico will use TERMINFO instead
of TERMCAP.
5. USE the BUILD script build sv4 trying to make pine alone
does not work well.
6. move the binaries and give proper permissions.

Other Notes:
While you are in the os-sv4.h file check to make sure this is
setup the way you want it.

I am still using the default mail setup with unixware and I did
make the change on page 8 of the unixware release notes (ie add -r).

SYSTEM: unixware version 1.1 installed from cd with SDK and
TCP/IP, but nothing special. So hope this helps the others who
sent mail and asked to report my results.

Thanks to those a who helped!

The only other note I have to add is this: I cant remember if I used gcc
or the SDK to compile, but I think is was SDK. Clean the distribution
before you compile. I have found it best to build the entire set from
the begining. I think make clean will clean up for you, but I have
compiled to many things inthe last couple weeks I cant remember.

Good luck.

BTW, gcc installs easily, you just ahve to follow all the steps.

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Subject: [HELP] Folder locking mechanism
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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 04:39:00 GMT

Hello,

I am needing help on how the folder locking mechanism works within PINE.
I would like to know what does pine has to go through in order to do the
folder locking. In other words, what is the algorithm/procedures of the
locking mechanism. If any of you out there know about this problem, can
you email to me or post on this newsgroup. I am very appreciate it.
Thank you.

--thang

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In article <[email protected]>,
Thang M Nguyen <[email protected]> wrote:
:Hello,
:
:I am needing help on how the folder locking mechanism works within PINE.
:I would like to know what does pine has to go through in order to do the
:folder locking. In other words, what is the algorithm/procedures of the
:locking mechanism.

You have the source (or can fetch it from ftp.cac.washington.edu); if
you're in a hurry then a tool like trace or truss can give some hints.
For instance, I ran 'truss -topen pine' and here's (part of) the
output. In that session, I saved a message from my inbox to the
saved-messages folder. It looks like on my system, pine uses a lock
file. (That might well be system dependent.)

open("/var/mail/jdavis.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) = 6
open("/var/mail/jdavis", O_RDWR, 0) = 6
open("/home/jdavis/mail/saved-messages", O_RDONLY, 0) = 6
open("/home/jdavis/mail/saved-messages", O_RDONLY, 0) = 6
open("/home/jdavis/mail/saved-messages.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) = 6
open("/home/jdavis/mail/saved-messages", O_WRONLY|O_APPEND|O_CREAT, 0600) = 6
open("/var/mail/jdavis.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) = 6

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From: pcfong@hkusub ([ Marlboro | PC ] 8D)
Subject: Re: How to attach a binary file????
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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 08:39:04 GMT

Duffy Men ([email protected]) wrote:
: I would like mail a binary file to someone. Can anyone tell me how to
: attach a binary file and how big the size can be? my file may be 10 Mb.

Write a mail to your friend. On the header line "Attachment:",
press "Control-J". You'll then be prompted for a filename and you can
write short description of this file as attached with your mail.

Mind the file size of 10MB. Though your account can hold it,
your friend's may not. You may want to compress it before attaching it
to the mail. Common compression programs like PKZIP/LHA/GZIP may help.
Of course you friend shoud have a copy of the same compression program to
be able to decompress the file.

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To: pcfong%[email protected]
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On Fri, 15 Jul 1994 pcfong%[email protected] wrote:

> Duffy Men ([email protected]) wrote:
> : I would like mail a binary file to someone. Can anyone tell me how to
> : attach a binary file and how big the size can be? my file may be 10 Mb.
..
> Mind the file size of 10MB. Though your account can hold it,
> your friend's may not. You may want to compress it before attaching it
..

Be aware too, that even if your account can hold a file of that size, and
your friend's account can also, the same may not be true of the
intermediary mail systems between your two sites! For example, mail from
colleagues of mine in the UK is limited by the gateway (nsfnet-relay) to
500K messages, even though they could send 10Mb, and I could
(technically) receive!

You may want to check out a program to split the file into pieces, eg.
the GNU split program will work on both byte and line counts.

> Marlboro Fong
> [email protected]

Hope this helps,

John.
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From: SysAdm/Postmaster <[email protected]>
Subject: can't access this MIME
To: [email protected]
Message-Id: <Pine.3.89.9407151446.A29209-0100000@mercury>
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Anyone have clarity as to why Pine won't let me access/save/view this MIME
enclosure? I already had the person at our site request they not send it
in uuencoded format and haven't seen any problems with pine handling MIME
before.
Thanks

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>From the upcoming Pine FAQ:

What is folder locking and how does it work?

Locks are used by Pine and other mail programs to prevent damage from
occurring to the mail file when multiple programs try to write to the file at
the same time.

Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX,
Pine implements all of them. The result is a lot of complexity.

There are several reasons why locking needs to be done:

1. If you want to read the mail file, you want to make sure that no other
process will modify the mail file while you are reading it.

2. If you want to write to the mail file, you want to make sure that no
other process is accessing the mail file while you are writing it.

3. If you have the mail file open, you want to make sure that no other
process can alter any of the internal contents of the mail file that you have
read, but it is OK if another process appends new data to the mail file.

4. If you want to alter any of the internal contents of the mail file, you
want to make sure that no other process has the mail file open.

There are several mechanisms of locking:

The creation of a file which has the same name as the mail file, but with a
suffix of ".lock" (for example, this lock for /usr/spool/mail/isma is named
/usr/spool/mail/isma.lock). This file accomplishes locks (1) and (2) above.
This is an exclusive lock.
The use of an flock() with LOCK_SH on the mail file. This accomplishes
lock (1), and prevents lock (2). Multiple processes can do this.
The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on the mail file. This accomplishes
lock (2), and prevents lock (1). This is an exclusive lock.
The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on a file on /tmp. The file name used
depends upon the version of Pine. This accomplishes locks (3) and (4). This
is an exclusive lock.

On SVR4-based systems, the lockf() subroutine or fcntl() system call it used
instead of flock(). It is rumored that this creates a kind of lock file as
well, but this has not been directly verified.

[MRC]

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 15 Jul 1994, Thang M Nguyen wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am needing help on how the folder locking mechanism works within PINE.
> I would like to know what does pine has to go through in order to do the
> folder locking. In other words, what is the algorithm/procedures of the
> locking mechanism. If any of you out there know about this problem, can
> you email to me or post on this newsgroup. I am very appreciate it.
> Thank you.
>
> --thang
>
>
>

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Rather than giving up, Dan....Why not transfer
the joe file to another disk, if you have access.
For instance, there may be more room in the var
or opt directory?

Ellen Falls

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Dan Ford) writes:
>
>Thanks to everyone who answered my question. I was indeed able to "tar"
>my joe.tar archive, or untar it I guess, but I ran out of space on my
>disk before it finished.
>
>Thus endeth my adventure in creative editing. I am resigned to using Pico.
>--
> - Dan <[email protected]>
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> Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX,
> Pine implements all of them.

_All_? How did you find out the scheme _I_ use? = )

I am locked out of a Friday-night date, so decided to make up by reading
"c-client" code having to do with locks....

> * Program: Berkeley mail routines
> *
> * Author: Mark Crispin

Mark, see signature. = )

> int bezerk_lock (file,flags,mode,lock,op)
> char *file;
> int flags;
> int mode;
> char *lock;
> int op;
> {
> int fd,ld,j;
> int i = LOCKTIMEOUT * 60 - 1;
> char tmp[MAILTMPLEN];
> struct timeval tp;
> struct stat sb;
> /* build lock filename */
> strcat (bezerk_file (lock,file),".lock");
> do { /* until OK or out of tries */
> gettimeofday (&tp,NIL); /* get the time now */

[...]

> /* try to get the lock */
> if ((ld = open (lock,O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL,0666)) < 0) switch (errno) {
> case EEXIST: /* if extant and old, grab it for ourselves */
> if ((!stat (lock,&sb)) && tp.tv_sec > sb.st_ctime + LOCKTIMEOUT * 60)
> ld = open (lock,O_WRONLY|O_CREAT,0666);
> break;

Pardon the unaffected simplicy, but what happens if multiple processes
decide to "grab it for ourselves."

[...]

> if ((ld < 0) && *lock) { /* if failed to make lock file and retry OK */
> if (!(i%15)) {
> sprintf (tmp,"Mailbox %s is locked, will override in %d seconds...",
> file,i);
> mm_log (tmp,WARN);
> }
> sleep (1); /* wait 1 second before next try */
> }
> } while (i-- && ld < 0 && *lock);
> /* open file */
> if ((fd = open (file,flags,mode)) >= 0) flock (fd,op);
> else { /* open failed */
> j = errno; /* preserve error code */
> if (*lock) unlink (lock); /* flush the lock file if any */
> errno = j; /* restore error code */
> }
> return fd;
> }

Please explain why you don't check whether "flock (fd,op)" above succeeds.

Thanks!

--

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Was heavy on me. Thou art so far before,
That swiftest wing of recompense is slow
To overtake thee. Would thou hadst less deserv'd,
That the proportion both of thanks and payment
Might have been mine! Only I have left to say,
More is thy due than more than all can pay."

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I have been using pine for years now and refuse to use any other mailer.
It seems so full featured that I think the others would only dissapoint.
I was wondering though if pine could be used to create an automatic
listserver? I realize that this is not perhaps strictly a mail
applications job but I thought I'd ask anyway. If the answer is no (1)
are there plans to include this in later versions and (2) does anyone
know of other unix applications that can do the job?

Thanks

- Mike

>>> Finger for my armored text pgp public key.
>>> Internet:[email protected]@ <<<

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Does anyone know of any off-line mail reader that can interact with Pine
to first create messages and save them in a file and upload that file and
send the message automatically to the destination.

NOTE: Please respond directly to the above Address.

Thanks,
Arno
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Ed Greshko ([email protected]) wrote:

: Clue #1

: Be more specific about your operating environment.

: What do you mean by "upload my ACSII file"? What type of
: terminal emulation software are you using? Are you using a direct async
: connection? Are you using TCP/IP? What TCP/IP software are you using?

: Answers to questions can be more readily obtained....and you
: are more likely to get help....if you *completely* define your problem.

Clue #2:
Some helpful people alread answered this problem several days ago,
"terminal emulation...direct async...TCP/IP..." etc never came up in the
discussion. I guess they weren't so relevant, after all.

Matthew

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I use pine under UNIX on a DEC Alpha. I had a line in my .login:

test -s /usr/spool/mail/$USER && echo "You might have mail, I can't tell"

That told me when I had new mail (I changed the text when I started using
Pine) but it doesn't work with Pine - It always flags as having new mail

Is there any way I can still do this?

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Dos anyone know if there is a version of pine for os2, or if anyone
is working on a port?

Also, is there a dos pine version that has been written to use the ibm tcpip
kernel. If there is no os2 version of pine, it might be possible to use pine
in a dos session under os2, as long as it can talk to the ibm tcpip stack.

David Bear
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College of Public Programs
internet: [email protected]
phone: 602-965-8257

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Is there anyone porting pcpine to os2? Even a character based version
would be nice. If not, is anyone using the DOS version of pine under
os2 successfully? I have ibm's tcpip stack. I have only seen pcpine for
ftp's, packet driver's, and Novell's stack.

David Bear
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College of Public Programs
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I recently installed pine3.8.9 on a Sparc 5 running SunOS 4.1.3_U1.
I also am running shadow passwording. The problem is that if I go
into setup within pine, I am allowed to change my passwd, which is
then changed in /etc/passwd, NOT /etc/security/passwd.adjunct. This
of course defeats the purpose of shadow passwords. HELP!!!!!!

Frank DiGennaro
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In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
:
:
:I recently installed pine3.8.9 on a Sparc 5 running SunOS 4.1.3_U1.
:I also am running shadow passwording. The problem is that if I go
:into setup within pine, I am allowed to change my passwd, which is
:then changed in /etc/passwd, NOT /etc/security/passwd.adjunct. This
:of course defeats the purpose of shadow passwords. HELP!!!!!!

Worked for me on a Solaris 2.3 machine.

But there is a serious security problem here. If you look at the
implementation in osdep/chnge_pw, you'll see

strcpy(cmd_buf, "passwd");
system(cmd_buf);

Note a relative pathname is used. This is vulnerable to Trojans in
your $PATH. I wish I'd noticed the password-changing function before;
looks like I'll be doing a quick edit and recompiling pine on a few
platforms tonight!

I don't see why a mail user agent needs a password-changing function
at all, but this implementation is seriously broken. Besides the
security hole, passwd isn't necessarily the right program to call. On
some systems it should be yppasswd or nispasswd instead.

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I was wondering if anyone out there knew how to use pine v. 3.89 to post
on these newsgroups and others. Any responses can be sent to me
personally, or posted here, but please ensure that the subject appears,
or that you direct my attention to it, as I dn't read this group very
often.

Thank you very much.

Jai Roberts
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arno sarkissian ([email protected]) wrote:

: Does anyone know of any off-line mail reader that can interact with Pine
: to first create messages and save them in a file and upload that file and
: send the message automatically to the destination.

: NOTE: Please respond directly to the above Address.

NO, please respond here. I too am interested in the answer to this
question. i think that I can devote sometime in reading this group to
find the answer.

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In a previous article, [email protected] (Jai Roberts) says:

>I was wondering if anyone out there knew how to use pine v. 3.89 to post

No. Pine3.89 can be used to read, but does not permit you to post
news articles directly. Await Pine3.90 eagerly for this.
To post, you must use methods used by those with read-only access to
a news server, namely, posting by means of a mail-to-news gateway.

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Scripsit Barry Bouwsma ([email protected]) ....
> No. Pine3.89 can be used to read, but does not permit you to post
> news articles directly. Await Pine3.90 eagerly for this.

I tried using Pine3.89 to read news via nntp from our local server, and
was (I'm afraid) unimpressed with the user interface; just as a matter
of interest, are there any plans to introduce threading in a later
version?

Nicholas

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From: [email protected] (richard.c.schmidt)
Subject: Re: OffLine Mail reader for PINE???
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 11:42:31 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

>From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (arno sarkissian):
>
> Does anyone know of any off-line mail reader that can interact with Pine
> to first create messages and save them in a file and upload that file and
> send the message automatically to the destination.
>
> NOTE: Please respond directly to the above Address.
>
> GeneMED(tm) | Major: Molecular Biology
> Arno D. Sarkissian([email protected]) | Biochemistry
> 10832 Encino Ave. |
> Granada Hills., CA. 91344 |
>
Sir & Whoever Else is interested .....

If you are using a UNIX Pine, you are on a UNIX system.
By definition, that's on-line. I'm not sure if Pine
is offered in a Windoze or Mac version or not, but
that is what you are looking for.

If there is such a Pine, it would need to be bundled
with some sort of software that downloads the mail
to your machine. This might be SLIP, with TCP/IP
and SMTP with POP2 or POP3.

Or it could use something else all-together.

You might try checking out one of the Off-Line Mail
Readers for Windoze or Mac........

Yours ....... Richard C Schmidt

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From: Brent Blumenstein <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: os2 version
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
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There is a group of us here interested in precisely these issues. OS/2
and IBM's TCP/IP for OS/2 provides a really excellent and easily
maintained general computing platform, and it would be really nice to have
a client-type mail program such as pine.

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On Tue, 12 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Dos anyone know if there is a version of pine for os2, or if anyone
> is working on a port?
>
> Also, is there a dos pine version that has been written to use the ibm tcpip
> kernel. If there is no os2 version of pine, it might be possible to use pine
> in a dos session under os2, as long as it can talk to the ibm tcpip stack.
>
> David Bear
> Support Systems Analyst
> College of Public Programs
> internet: [email protected]
> phone: 602-965-8257
>

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From: [email protected] (Mumit Khan)
Subject: Re: Security problem with Pine? help!
Date: 17 Jul 1994 18:10:27 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>, Jim Davis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Worked for me on a Solaris 2.3 machine.
>
>But there is a serious security problem here. If you look at the
>implementation in osdep/chnge_pw, you'll see
>
> strcpy(cmd_buf, "passwd");
> system(cmd_buf);
>
>Note a relative pathname is used. This is vulnerable to Trojans in
>your $PATH. I wish I'd noticed the password-changing function before;
>looks like I'll be doing a quick edit and recompiling pine on a few
>platforms tonight!

After our systems got broken in a few months ago, PINE was one of the
pkgs I rebuilt on all of our 5 platforms to take out the password
changing ``feature'' (which means that I can't use the pre-compiled
binaries ... sigh).

>
>I don't see why a mail user agent needs a password-changing function
>at all, but this implementation is seriously broken. Besides the
>security hole, passwd isn't necessarily the right program to call. On
>some systems it should be yppasswd or nispasswd instead.
>

I can see the use of having this, since you might want to have email-only
accounts, with a hacked-up PINE as your shell -- but that's probably
not common at most sites. My recommendation would be take it out
completely, or if not, do a better job of calling the underlying password
routines to handle NIS+/NIS/C2 etc systems transparently as well.

mumit

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can anyone tell me how to use vi as my editor???

pico is ok but it really bugz =(

morris

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Subject: Re: Security problem with Pine? help!
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In article <[email protected]>,
Mumit Khan <[email protected]> wrote:

:I can see the use of having this, since you might want to have email-only
:accounts, with a hacked-up PINE as your shell -- but that's probably
:not common at most sites. My recommendation would be take it out
:completely, or if not, do a better job of calling the underlying password
:routines to handle NIS+/NIS/C2 etc systems transparently as well.

Perhaps the full pathname to the appropriate password program could be
#define'd in the appropriate osdep/os-xxx.h header file; then it would
be a configurable option for systems where there are different
possible choices. Even then calling system() wouldn't be wise -- the
pathname argument could be subverted by games with the IFS environment
variable. An explicit fork and exec would be safer. Leaving out this
option altogether would be safer still.

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Pico is a NICE editor for messages. VI is ok for programming stuff. I am
REAL glad that I no longer have to use VI for message work!

i am me ([email protected]) wrote:
: can anyone tell me how to use vi as my editor???

: pico is ok but it really bugz =(

: morris

: --
: Now I lay me down to sleep
: I pray the Lord my soul to keep
: And if I die before I wake
: I pray the Lord my toys to break...
: So none of the other kids can use em. Amen.

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From: John Cullen <[email protected]>
Subject: How do I remove the machine name from From:(not use-only-domain-name)
To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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Dear All,

Situation: pine3.89 running on Linux box (mailserver)
pine3.89 running on DECstation (user machine)
imapd running on mailserver

I have tried various combinations of configuration file but with no
success. When our email users send mail internally, or Cc: a copy to
themselves, the "From:" part of the address always reads:

From: [email protected]

(where rosa is the name of our mailhost).

I have tried setting the use-domain-name-only option, and also setting
the user-domain explicitly (separately and in combination for these
options -- and I know that the latter means the former is not used!)

When I examine the mail headers directly, the From: line simply has the
username (eg. From: jjsc) with the full name and machine.host part being
added by Pine. So, my question is, is there any way to force pine to
_always_ use only the domain (esb.ucp.pt) in this case, for _any_ local
address?

If I've overlooked something obvious, flame me, but tell me first what I
missed!

Many thanks in advance,

John

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Threading will come some time _after_ Pine 3.90...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 17 Jul 1994, Nicholas Jackson wrote:

> Scripsit Barry Bouwsma ([email protected]) ....
> > No. Pine3.89 can be used to read, but does not permit you to post
> > news articles directly. Await Pine3.90 eagerly for this.
>
> I tried using Pine3.89 to read news via nntp from our local server, and
> was (I'm afraid) unimpressed with the user interface; just as a matter
> of interest, are there any plans to introduce threading in a later
> version?
>
> Nicholas
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> As the spring rains fall, Nicholas Jackson
> Soaking in them, on the roof, [email protected]
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>

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From: [email protected] (Bill Jensen)
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Subject: PINE and PC-NFS

I'm new to PINE and this list, and am having some trouble with PC-PINE
for PC-NFS. I've installed a couple of users, that work just fine, but
this morning I was unable to get a user going. PINE would not open
his INBOX, complaining that it couldn't find the host. The main
difference between the systems, is that the ones that work use PC-NFS
4.0, and the one that doesn't is using PC-NFS 3.5. Does PC-PINE not
work with pre-4.0 PC-NFS? The PC has several file systems mounted from
that host, so it's not actually unreachable, but for some reason PINE
can't handle the host name. We can upgrade that PC-NFS, but I'd like
to be sure there's no other way, first. Thanks much for any assistance!

Bill Jensen Cray Communications, Inc.
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Hi,

I would like to run PINE on our SunOS 5.3 (version 4), but the
pine documentation tells me that it does not support that platform. Is
this true, and is there another way to get PINE up and running.

ALSO, I would at least like to use pico on our system, since vi
is terrible. The docs say that pico is a stand-alone text editor. Does
this mean I can get it by itself (without PINE)? I did not see pico at
the ftp site. Any help would be greatly appreciated! :)
_________________________________________________________________________
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Does anyone know when Pine 3.90 will be released? Forgive me if this
question has already been discused into the ground.

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From: Ralph Sims <[email protected]>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: disallowing pine to be suspended vai ctrl-z

Not being a codesmith, I need a pointer as to where and what to
change to disallow pine to be placed in the background. I thought
it would not do that if the -z flag weren't used, but it appears
that enabling 'feature old-growth' bypasses the commandline flag.
I don't mind doing this in the pine.conf file, but we've enabled
all the rich features to cover all those users that think they
need them. Administratively, it would benefit us to disallow
ctrl-z suspension, however.

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| From: SMTP%"[email protected]" 18-JUL-1994 15:58:12.60
|
| I understand that there are PINE for unix and pc. Is it available for VMS?
so where is the binary and help files.
|
| Please respond directly to me. I do not subscribe to the pine_info list.
|
| Thanks!
|
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Subject: Re: Pine on Sun systems??
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In article <[email protected]>,
Jay Allen <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: I would like to run PINE on our SunOS 5.3 (version 4), but the
:pine documentation tells me that it does not support that platform. Is
:this true, and is there another way to get PINE up and running.

I don't know what you mean by "SunOS 5.3 (version 4)", but pine 3.89
runs on Solaris 2.3 machines. You need to make a trivial change
to pine/makefile.sol:

diff makefile.sol makefile.sol.orig
69c69
< CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -Dconst=
---
> CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG)

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The answers are no, no, and sure: majordomo, listproc, procmail, filter,
deliver, mailagent, ...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 16 Jul 1994, Mike Harris wrote:

> I have been using pine for years now and refuse to use any other mailer.
> It seems so full featured that I think the others would only dissapoint.
> I was wondering though if pine could be used to create an automatic
> listserver? I realize that this is not perhaps strictly a mail
> applications job but I thought I'd ask anyway. If the answer is no (1)
> are there plans to include this in later versions and (2) does anyone
> know of other unix applications that can do the job?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Mike
>
> >>> Finger for my armored text pgp public key.
> >>> Internet:[email protected]@ <<<
>
> --
> >>> Finger for my armored text pgp public key.
> >>> Internet:[email protected]@ <<<
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: disallowing pine to be suspended vai ctrl-z
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: 18 Jul 94 22:19:44 GMT
References: <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>,
Ralph Sims <[email protected]> wrote:
:Not being a codesmith, I need a pointer as to where and what to
:change to disallow pine to be placed in the background. I thought
:it would not do that if the -z flag weren't used, but it appears
:that enabling 'feature old-growth' bypasses the commandline flag.
:I don't mind doing this in the pine.conf file, but we've enabled
:all the rich features to cover all those users that think they
:need them. Administratively, it would benefit us to disallow
:ctrl-z suspension, however.

Ooof. It looks like pine actually reads Ctrl-Z. (So much for trap ''
24 or even stty -isig!) So if I'm reading the code in signals.c right
about your only option is to recompile after changing have_job_control
in osdep/jobcntrl to return 0 instead of 1. (Or maybe take out the
include(jobcntrl) statement from your os-xxx.ic.)

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From: [email protected] (arno sarkissian)
Subject: OffLine Mail reader for PINE???
Date: 18 Jul 1994 23:33:31 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I found a program to do so, it's called PC-Pine. To download ftp to:

HOST: uceng.uc.edu
DIR: pub/wuarchive/packages/mail/pine/msdos
FILE: pcpine_p.zip

I tried it however it asks for Packet Driver, which yet I don't have.

--
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Can we use any of PINE's internal routines to produce a count of messages
waiting for a particular user without executing PINE?

- Steve Lowe
Aurora University [email protected]
708 844 5290

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> > > Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX,
> > > Pine implements all of them.
> > _All_? How did you find out the scheme _I_ use? = )

I don't. I apply all of them.

> > Pardon the unaffected simplicy, but what happens if multiple processes
> > decide to "grab it for ourselves."

This is unlikely to happen due to the nature of this particular lock. It
is also unavoidable due to the nature of this particular lock. Blame
the people who designed locking of UNIX mail files 15+ years ago; it's
all their fault.

Fortunately, as noted above, it is very unlikely to happen. This
particular lock is used only for brief periods of time. If something has
it seized for 5 minutes, something is wrong. There is some level of
protection in that the file date is checked.

> > Please explain why you don't check whether "flock (fd,op)" above succeeds.

The blocking form of flock() is used. It always succeeds. If the file
is locked, it will hang.

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From: pcfong@hkusub ([ Marlboro | PC ] 8D)
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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 06:45:32 GMT

i am me ([email protected]) wrote:
: can anyone tell me how to use vi as my editor???
:
: pico is ok but it really bugz =(

Set the environment variable "VISUAL" to your "vi". But I prefer
pico though buggy.

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Subject: Pine won't read /etc/aliases?
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Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I am running Pine 3.89 under SunOS 4.1.3. I like it a lot!

The only problem I have is with mail addressing. Sometimes it bounces
mail immediately, when the address looks ok to me.

I think the problems arise when the user is on the local net, and I
use an address like: user@hostname, instead of user@domainname. I
think I also have problems when using multiple To: addressess,
separated by commas; sometimes it seems to bounce one of them, even
though if I resend it to that single address, it mails fine.

BTW, if it makes a difference, I have Pine set up to use domain-name
only.

Since I have an extensive /etc/aliases file, which points all likely
addresses to the correct user@hostname or user@domainname, I think my
problem would be solved if Pine would read the aliases file. Although
mailtool reads it fine, Pine does not seem to.

Any hints would be appreciated.

Thank you.

..David

. David Di Gioia | [email protected]
. Stout were the words he spoke to his men:
. 'Heart must be braver, courage the bolder,
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I'd like to know if there is a way to detect incoming mails and then
bounce back those I don't want? Someone I know keeps getting some
annoying mails from her friend and after failing to stop the person from
sending mails, she wants me to post it for her to see if there is a way
to do so in pine?

Thanks for your help.

Y.L.

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From: [email protected] (Duffy Men)
Subject: HELP!!! how to check MIME is on the computer system or not ??
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Does anyone know how to check the computer system has MIME running or
not. I would like use pine to mail binary files to other person and like
to check does both side support MIME or not. Thank you for help.

From [email protected] Tue Jul 19 07:35:48 1994
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From: [email protected] (Mark R. Lindsey)
Subject: term adaptation of pine?
Date: 19 Jul 1994 07:54:20 -0600
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Has anyone adapted the pine IMAP code to work under term (the slip-esque
unix<->unix serial line protocol) yet? If not, and you've got a couple of
minutes to do it, I'd really like to see it working.

This would allow easy function as an offline mail reader for, at least, home
unix users.

--
Mark R. Lindsey [][] The South Georgia Digital Research Institute
[email protected] [][] http://nox.cs.du.edu:8001/~mlindsey

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Detect and bounce back unwelcomed mails
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On 19 Jul 1994, liaos wrote:

> I'd like to know if there is a way to detect incoming mails and then
> bounce back those I don't want? Someone I know keeps getting some
> annoying mails from her friend and after failing to stop the person from
> sending mails, she wants me to post it for her to see if there is a way
> to do so in pine?

The best thing you can do is to get "filter" from the elm
distribution, or procmail, or deliver, or one of the other various
filter programs. Then, you can detect incoming mail from the offending
(or is that offensive ?) person and direct it to its proper location...
/dev/null. Chances are you will find that these programs can be of
more value than just dumping annonying email.

Good luck...

Ed

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: HELP!!! how to check MIME is on the computer system or not ??
To: Duffy Men <[email protected]>
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On 19 Jul 1994, Duffy Men wrote:

> Does anyone know how to check the computer system has MIME running or
> not. I would like use pine to mail binary files to other person and like
> to check does both side support MIME or not. Thank you for help.

What you really want to know is if the UA (User Agent) the other
person is using is MIME capable. The only reliable way to determine
this is to "ask" the intended receipient if their UA is MIME capable.
This is generally a good idea....before you send that 1M byte GIF file
only to find out that the other person can't handle it.

Ed

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From: [email protected] (P.D.Bates)
Subject: Stuck in debug mode
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:39:20 GMT

Hello there...

Sorry to trouble everyone with this,
but I'm not sure where-else to
address this query to...

I ftp'ed straight executables
of pine and pico for the Sun
onto my system... (because
of not having, or rather
experiencing problems with
the C-compiler at our site)

Pico works fine, but Pine
is for some reason stuck
in debug mode, so typing 'pine'
is the equivalent of 'pine -d 4'?
because I end up with a total number
of 4 .pine-debug reports before they
loop around again...

Is this a problem with my system,
or is pine (3.89 in this case)
meant to default to debug mode?

It doesn't seem to be experiencing
any problems with my system, it
just automatically gives me a
debug report anyway.

Can I cure this?

Is there somewhere I can contact
about bugs or for help?

Thanks a lot...

Peter Bates,
University of Bradford, UK.

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From: [email protected] (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Detect and bounce back unwelcomed mails
To: [email protected] (liaos)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:07:58 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: [email protected]
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "liaos" at Jul 19, 94 04:57:49 am
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Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA 98040
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>
>
> I'd like to know if there is a way to detect incoming mails and then
> bounce back those I don't want? Someone I know keeps getting some
> annoying mails from her friend and after failing to stop the person from
> sending mails, she wants me to post it for her to see if there is a way
> to do so in pine?
>
This isn't really a job for a Mail User Agent (MUA) like pine, but for
a Mail Delivery Agent (MDA) such as Chip Salzenberg's deliver. An
MDA is a program that examines incoming mail and determines whether to
put it in the user's INBOX, deliver it so one or more other addresses,
drop the mail.... I use it to automatically archive incoming mail by
year, month, system, and user, to check mailing list traffic for
duplicates before forwarding, and to assign incoming email for support
to the appropriate person.

Deliver looks for a $HOME/.deliver script which may be any executable
program (mine are in perl). This is invoked by putting
"|/usr/lib/mail/deliver username" in the .forward file.

Bill
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From: [email protected] (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: Pine won't read /etc/aliases?
Date: 19 Jul 1994 08:12:16 -0700
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>, David DiGioia <[email protected]> wrote:

:Since I have an extensive /etc/aliases file, which points all likely
:addresses to the correct user@hostname or user@domainname, I think my
:problem would be solved if Pine would read the aliases file. Although
:mailtool reads it fine, Pine does not seem to.
:

/etc/aliases is read by sendmail, not pine (or mailtool). Pine (and
mailtool) hand off the message you want to send to sendmail to do the
real work of delivery. So it sounds to me like a sendmail problem.
You can use /usr/ucb/Mail on your Sun to troubleshoot this: try

Mail -v user

and watch the resulting chatter. Another debugging trick is to telnet
to the smtp port on the machine you want to send mail to and use the
'vrfy' and 'expn' commands to check out alias expansion:

telnet some-machine-name 25
[ ... startup chatter from remote sendmail ... ]
vrfy some-name
expn some-name
quit

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To: [email protected]
From: [email protected] (Matthew Hansen)
Subject: PC-Pine 3.89 Setup Files
Message-Id: <1994Jul19.100038.4913@rivers>
Date: 19 Jul 94 10:00:37 -0600

Hello,

I am trying to install PC-Pine 3.89 for Packet Drivers on our
Network. It will be running in a DOS window on Windows 3.1.
I want users to be able to store personal information on
a diskette. Right now I am trying to get Pine to look for the PINERC
file in the a:\pine directory. The problem is it keeps trying to look
for the PINERC file in the H:\PINE directory it creates. I have tried
setting the working directory to be a:\pine, but that doesn't work.
Is their an enviornment variable I could set for this? Also it there
a file I could modify to tell Pine to create the default PINERC file on
the a:\pine directory rather than a h:\pine?

Thanks for any help,
Email reponses preferred.
------------------------
Matthew W. Hansen

[email protected]

University of Wisconsin - River Falls Academic Computing

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: term adaptation of pine?
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 09:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
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I have successfully run Pine/IMAP over a term link (SunOS<->Ultrix) without
any major difficulty. What kind of problems are you having?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On 19 Jul 1994, Mark R. Lindsey wrote:

> Has anyone adapted the pine IMAP code to work under term (the slip-esque
> unix<->unix serial line protocol) yet? If not, and you've got a couple of
> minutes to do it, I'd really like to see it working.
>
> This would allow easy function as an offline mail reader for, at least, home
> unix users.
>
> --
> Mark R. Lindsey [][] The South Georgia Digital Research Institute
> [email protected] [][] http://nox.cs.du.edu:8001/~mlindsey
>
>

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Have the bugs you are seeing been reported to [email protected]?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Tue, 19 Jul 1994 pcfong@hkusub wrote:

> i am me ([email protected]) wrote:
> : can anyone tell me how to use vi as my editor???
> :
> : pico is ok but it really bugz =(
>
> Set the environment variable "VISUAL" to your "vi". But I prefer
> pico though buggy.
>
> --
> Marlboro Fong
> [email protected]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> There are THREE kinds of people: Those who MAKE things happen.
> Those who WATCH things happen.
> Those who WONDER what happened.
>
>
>

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Where are the formats of the addressbook and folders documented?

Thanks

Sean McGrath - Voice: 510.653.8387
Email: [email protected]
Paper: 638 66th st, Oakland Ca, 94609

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The easiest way to handle that would be to write a small program using
c-client. Take a look at imapcopy.tar.Z or mbxcvt.tar.Z in the mail
directory on ftp.cac.washington.edu for sample c-client programs...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Tue, 19 Jul 1994, Steve Lowe wrote:

>
> Can we use any of PINE's internal routines to produce a count of messages
> waiting for a particular user without executing PINE?
>
> - Steve Lowe
> Aurora University [email protected]
> 708 844 5290
>
>
>
>

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From: [email protected] (Mike Grupenhoff)
Subject: Re: term adaptation of pine?
Date: 19 Jul 1994 16:36:59 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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[email protected] (Mark R. Lindsey) wrote:
>Has anyone adapted the pine IMAP code to work under term (the slip-esque
>unix<->unix serial line protocol) yet? If not, and you've got a couple of
>minutes to do it, I'd really like to see it working.

This isn't the same as IMAP, but it might be what you need.

For sending mail, you could (as root) tredir 25 25 to redirect your local
smtp port to the internet connected host's smtp port. Then set smtp-server
to "localhost" in your .pinerc.

There are packages on sunsite that handle incoming mail.

--
Mike Grupenhoff
[email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Barry Bouwsma)
Subject: Re: Stuck in debug mode
Date: 19 Jul 1994 16:43:52 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

In a previous article, [email protected] (P.D.Bates) says:

>Pico works fine, but Pine
>is for some reason stuck
>in debug mode, so typing 'pine'
>is the equivalent of 'pine -d 4'?
>because I end up with a total number
>of 4 .pine-debug reports before they
>loop around again...
>
>Is this a problem with my system,
>or is pine (3.89 in this case)
>meant to default to debug mode?

Pine's default is to create up to four debug files, at I forget what
debug level, so that if there are problems, there is something available
to be looked at. Otherwise, they get overwritten and merely use space
until that time when you do need to refer to them, so they're harmless,
yet beneficial.

>Is there somewhere I can contact
>about bugs or for help?

To report bugs, write to <[email protected]>.
There is a good on-line help built into Pine, and the tech-notes that
come with the distribution are often enough to answer your questions.
If you still can't resolve something, you could post here (as you have
just done) and someone could help you, be it another user with an answer
or the Pine Team for the authoritative Word.

--
Barry Bouwsma, in Ann Arbor Michigan, soon to be back biking eastern Europe
MIME mail to <[email protected]> , ASCII text to <[email protected]>
Unemployable System Cracker seeking work; food; chocolate; Czech pastries,
ice cream, and beer; travel partner; free airline tickets; and lots of money

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From: [email protected] (Barry Bouwsma)
Subject: Re: HELP!!! how to check MIME is on the computer system or not ??
Date: 19 Jul 1994 16:56:02 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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In a previous article, [email protected] (Duffy Men) says:

>Does anyone know how to check the [recipient's] computer system has MIME

The only way, if the other person cannot tell you and you can't
figure it out from mail you receive (note that a header MIME-Version: 1.0
line is not necessarily enough to guarantee MIME capability), is to send
a short MIME message, such as attaching a single-line text file of
This is a test
which would then be sent as a MIME attachment. If you get a reply asking
"WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT YOU JUST SENT" then your recipient is not using
a MIME mailreader (though there may be one available). If you receive
mail from the other person which has a Message-ID: header with a Pine
version, then that other person is using Pine. If, say, you see a header
of X-Mailer: ELM whatever, then maybe it will work, so you have to try
the test suggested above. If you yourself have received MIME mail, then
of course that sender is MIME-aware.

You can, of course, suggest the recipient obtain a MIME program, be
it Pine, Pegasus mail, mpack, or metamail, among others. Pine will add
a few lines to caution the recipient that what follows is a MIME message,
and those lines will not be displayed by a MIME-aware mail program.

--
Barry Bouwsma, in Ann Arbor Michigan, soon to be back biking eastern Europe
MIME mail to <[email protected]> , ASCII text to <[email protected]>
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From [email protected] Tue Jul 19 11:55:13 1994
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From: [email protected] (Pete Nielsen)
Subject: IMAP
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:58
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I'm trying to get a feeling for how much horsepower to takes
to support how many users with IMAP.

If you run one or more IMAP servers, could you please take a moment
to email me the hardware, and software you use, and how many users
you support. How much disk space per user do you plan for, and do
you have any space policy in effect.

If I get enough answers to be interesting, I'm willing to post
a summary to the net.

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Control: cancel <[email protected]>
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<[email protected]> was cancelled from within trn.
--
Mike Grupenhoff
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From: [email protected] (Billy Barron)
Subject: .mailboxlist
Date: 19 Jul 1994 17:57:02 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

In my discussions with ISA Corporation regarding ECSMail, it was revealed
to me that the PINE development team intents to support the .mailboxlist
file to keep track of folder subscriptions in the future. This support
would go a long way to solving what is probably going to become a large
problem in the near future. I have a couple of questions though:

1. When is this support planned to be implemented?

2. Will .mailboxlist be updated by non-IMAP UNIX PINE? For my site,
it is important that the file is. When the users are on UNIX,
we don't use IMAP as we can use NFS with less of a performance
penalty. However, these users may be hoping on PC-PINE or
ECSMail too.

Thanks,

--
Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas
[email protected]

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From: Steve Lowe <[email protected]>
Subject: Recompile for ULTRIX 4.4
To: Pine Information List <[email protected]>
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We have just installed ULTRIX 4.4 (upgrade over ULTRIX 4.3). Do we need
to recompile PINE to use the new ULTRIX release?

Thanks in advance.

- Steve Lowe
Aurora University [email protected]
708 844 5290

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From: "Brian P. Hampson" <[email protected]>
Subject: PICO in "restricted mode"?
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I see references in the sources for PICO to a "restricted mode"

What we are trying to do is to be able to invoke EITHER pine with a FIXED
To:, no attachment, and NO "TO FILES" etc, so that we can give people we
don't trust too much the ability to use this freindly mail rather than
plain mail.

Alternatively, we would like to be able to call up pico to edit a file,
(prenamed) and not allow saving to other file names etc., reading from
other files...the usual security limitation attempts.

B.

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From: [email protected] (Stephen White)
Subject: Various suggestions for PINE
Date: 20 Jul 1994 00:24:32 +0930
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

Just a collection of small nits:

1) pico has an inverse "." on the top line; could this be removed?

2) Could pine have an option to turn off the menus? My users say that
it's great for the first week, but then they want more screen space.

3) Several of my users don't like "pico". They prefer "joe". Could there
be an option to go straight into the alternate editor after filling out
the headers?

4) When suspending pine with ^Z, it sends a stop signal to all processes
on that group (with "kill(0, SIGSTOP);" in pine/os.c). This causes a
problem when pine isn't run from the main process.

Perhaps "kill(getpid(), SIGSTOP);" would be better, since then the
fork()/wait() in the calling program can then handle it however it
pleases. Currently, the (in my case) menu program thinks it was asked to
stop, and even if I get the menu program to ignore this signal, bash still
gets it and stops anyway.

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From: [email protected] (P.D.Bates)
Subject: Stuck in debug mode
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 12:01:03 GMT

Hello there...

Sorry to trouble everyone with this,
but I'm not sure where-else to
address this query to...

I ftp'ed straight executables
of pine and pico for the Sun
onto my system... (because
of not having, or rather
experiencing problems with
the C-compiler at our site)

Pico works fine, but Pine
is for some reason stuck
in debug mode, so typing 'pine'
is the equivalent of 'pine -d 4'?
because I end up with a total number
of 4 .pine-debug reports before they
loop around again...

Is this a problem with my system,
or is pine (3.89 in this case)
meant to default to debug mode?

It doesn't seem to be experiencing
any problems with my system, it
just automatically gives me a
debug report anyway.

Can I cure this?

Thanks a lot...

Peter Bates,
University of Bradford,UK.

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I am new to pine, so please forgive me simple question. How can I set
MIME's "Content-Type" manually in pine? Also, for text file, how can
I tell pine not to encode it in BASE64? Thanks for any information.

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References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

Jim Davis ([email protected]) wrote:
: In article <[email protected]>, David DiGioia <[email protected]> wrote:

: :Since I have an extensive /etc/aliases file, which points all likely
: :addresses to the correct user@hostname or user@domainname, I think my
: :problem would be solved if Pine would read the aliases file. Although
: :mailtool reads it fine, Pine does not seem to.
: :

: /etc/aliases is read by sendmail, not pine (or mailtool). Pine (and
: mailtool) hand off the message you want to send to sendmail to do the
: real work of delivery. So it sounds to me like a sendmail problem.
: You can use /usr/ucb/Mail on your Sun to troubleshoot this: try

Thanks, Jim.

I know about sendmail; the reason I suspect a Pine problems is that I
have been using mailtool on the same system for 2 years without any
major problems; all of a sudden I switch to Pine, and I have lots of
problems. It's the old "if b after a, then a causes b"; I don't
remember the Latin for it, and I know it's not logically valid.

I'll have to do some more testing, and I'm sure your tips will come in
handy. BTW, I have been checking the mail addresses that bounce using
sendmail -bv, and they always seem to check out ok!

. David Di Gioia | [email protected]

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
To: Billy Barron <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: .mailboxlist
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Billy,
As you know, Pine currently uses folder collection definitions for
specifying what folders are visible. I can't say when .mailboxlist support
might happen, but I would appreciate it if you would send me a note
outlining what problem you are trying to solve, and how you would use
mailboxlist to solve it.

Also, re NFS vs. IMAP performance: the tests I've run indicate that
opening a large folder via IMAP is *much* faster than via NFS, although
operations such as CREATE are faster via NFS (not surprising, since NFS
is stateless). As for load on the server, it depends a lot on the
mailbox format. I assume you are using Bky mbox, as opposed to, say,
the more efficient Tenex format...

(In the future you'll also have the option of using an IMAP server that
stores messages in a pre-parsed format that makes for extremely efficient
access.)

-teg

On 19 Jul 1994, Billy Barron wrote:

> In my discussions with ISA Corporation regarding ECSMail, it was revealed
> to me that the PINE development team intents to support the .mailboxlist
> file to keep track of folder subscriptions in the future. This support
> would go a long way to solving what is probably going to become a large
> problem in the near future. I have a couple of questions though:
>
> 1. When is this support planned to be implemented?
>
> 2. Will .mailboxlist be updated by non-IMAP UNIX PINE? For my site,
> it is important that the file is. When the users are on UNIX,
> we don't use IMAP as we can use NFS with less of a performance
> penalty. However, these users may be hoping on PC-PINE or
> ECSMail too.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --
> Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas
> [email protected]
>

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Is there a way to change how often pine polls for new mail?

Thanks.

--
Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner
[email protected]
Opinions expressed are my own. Do not assume that anyone else shares them.

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I would like to use pc-pine with a uucp mailer (or other kluge to
get mail from the pc to a UNIX machine without a slip link). To do this,
I need to have pine simply write outgoing files to disk for later
transport and have pine read incoming messages from an inbox. Is there
some simple way to do this using the pre-compiled pc-pine versions, or do I
have to (shutter, gasp) mess with source code?
Thanks for the help!

Sincerely,
Andrew LaRoy
main mailbox: [email protected]
DKS 1057: Unable to locate: Desk
Attempting to load: Shovel.

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Question: Is there anyway to use a template/form in Pine.
I realize this is odd for a mail program but here is the reason.
We have software that is being used by our markets. It would be
great if they went into Pine and chose a template for a bug report
or change/enhancment form. This way the bug or change request is
logged and handled in one shot. Cuts down on paper, phone calls, etc..

Anyway thanks.

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Does anyone know where I can get a compiled pine 3.89 for Solaris 2.3?
Thx in advance. Please e-mail me.

-- Tein
===========================================================
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Email: [email protected]
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On 20 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a compiled pine 3.89 for Solaris 2.3?
> Thx in advance. Please e-mail me.

Look to ftp.cac.washington.edu in /mail/UNIX-BINARIES

Or, if you have access, I can put a copy on my account on
gate.sinica.edu.tw

Ed

Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
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From: Kenny Wickstrom <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stuck in debug mode
To: "P.D.Bates" <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 18 Jul 1994, P.D.Bates wrote:

>
> Hello there...
>
> Sorry to trouble everyone with this,
> but I'm not sure where-else to
> address this query to...
> ....
> Pico works fine, but Pine
> is for some reason stuck
> in debug mode, so typing 'pine'
> is the equivalent of 'pine -d 4'?
> because I end up with a total number
> of 4 .pine-debug reports before they
> loop around again...
>
> Is this a problem with my system,
> or is pine (3.89 in this case)
> meant to default to debug mode?
>
Here is a message I received from David Miller regarding this very
problem/feature...

|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|Kenny Wickstrom | Breaking S/W is FUN | |
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>From [email protected] Wed Jul 20 10:55:02 1994
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Kenny Wickstrom <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Bugs <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: ~/.pine-debugx files (fwd)

Kenny,

Pine keeps the last 4 .pine-debug files to help with troubleshooting if
problems occur. You never know when they will come in handy, but... To turn
them off, start Pine with the "-d0" command line option.

Thanks for the reuqest!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

From [email protected] Wed Jul 20 09:41:22 1994
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Why don't you try it and let us know?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 19 Jul 1994, Steve Lowe wrote:

>
> We have just installed ULTRIX 4.4 (upgrade over ULTRIX 4.3). Do we need
> to recompile PINE to use the new ULTRIX release?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> - Steve Lowe
> Aurora University [email protected]
> 708 844 5290
>
>
>

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How do I avoid the attachments getting compressed ?

I want them to be sent as ASCII Text Only !

Thanks...

Umesh Limaye
Utah State University
Logan, UT 84321

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In article <[email protected]>,
Simcha Lerner <[email protected]> wrote:
:Is there a way to change how often pine polls for new mail?
:

In the pine3.89 source code, it looks like NEW_MAIL_TIME, #define'd to
be 150 seconds in pine/os.h, is the thing to change. I haven't tried
that though.

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On 20 Jul 94 10:33:56 MDT
[email protected] wrote:

> How do I avoid the attachments getting compressed ?
>
> I want them to be sent as ASCII Text Only !

Why not just read them into your message?

>
>
> Thanks...
>
>
> Umesh Limaye
> Utah State University
> Logan, UT 84321
>

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Not desiring to set a match to anyone's flamethrower...

I presently only subscribe to the pine-info mailing list and not the
comp.mail.pine newsgroup (so maybe this is my own problem). I'm wondering
if there is interest here to split out comp.mail.pine into two groups. For
example,

comp.mail.pine-admin & [techinical/admin discussions]
comp.mail.pine-user, [end-user questions/FAQs/etc.]

where pine-admin would remain linked with pine-info (perhaps alias
pine-admin -> pine-info would be good too). My purpose in following the
discussions and occasionally participating in this list is to enhance the
administration of my systems for my users. Maybe this is selfish of me. It
doesn't require an enormous amount of work on my part to skip through the
end-user questions (how to use the interface, people who don't read
on-line help, etc.) to find the juicy bits (like PEM/PGP support debates
[grin]). However, I'd much rather subscribe to a more technical channel
from the sysadmin's perspective (the way pine-info used to be). I already
have a pocketful of user's coming to me for answers.

Is this an acceptable subject for the group? I'm sure I'll find out.

--
/ Andrew B. Sweger [email protected]
// Computer Support Manager [email protected]
\\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office)
// UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail)
/ Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX)

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Barry Bouwsma ([email protected]) wrote:
: To post, you must use methods used by those with read-only access to
: a news server, namely, posting by means of a mail-to-news gateway.

gateway? which gateway? how does one discover the address(?) of a
gateway? does it matter which one?

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Are you using the real name of the server or a CNAME (alias)?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 18 Jul 1994, Bill Jensen wrote:

>
> I'm new to PINE and this list, and am having some trouble with PC-PINE
> for PC-NFS. I've installed a couple of users, that work just fine, but
> this morning I was unable to get a user going. PINE would not open
> his INBOX, complaining that it couldn't find the host. The main
> difference between the systems, is that the ones that work use PC-NFS
> 4.0, and the one that doesn't is using PC-NFS 3.5. Does PC-PINE not
> work with pre-4.0 PC-NFS? The PC has several file systems mounted from
> that host, so it's not actually unreachable, but for some reason PINE
> can't handle the host name. We can upgrade that PC-NFS, but I'd like
> to be sure there's no other way, first. Thanks much for any assistance!
>
>
> Bill Jensen Cray Communications, Inc.
> Principal Engineer Engineering Dept.
> (301)-317-7553 9020 Junction Drive
> [email protected] Annapolis Junction, MD 20701
>
>
>

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I'm afraid the answer it still "in a few weeks"...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 18 Jul 1994, Michael Orland wrote:

> Does anyone know when Pine 3.90 will be released? Forgive me if this
> question has already been discused into the ground.
>
> --
> Michael Orland [email protected]
> --
> /////////////// //////////// Michael Orland [email protected]
> /// /// /// // //
> /// /// /// // // "Room service? Send up a larger room"
> /// /// /// //////////// - Groucho Marx
>
>

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when I reply to a message, my dot sig is at the top
how do I fix it so it goes on the bottom?

thanks

phu

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Hi,
Is there a way to imbed control characters into a file
created with pico?

Thanks,
Melanie
email: [email protected]

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In the Pine Technical Notes,
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/pine-tech-notes (also included in the
source distribution).

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 19 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Where are the formats of the addressbook and folders documented?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sean McGrath - Voice: 510.653.8387
> Email: [email protected]
> Paper: 638 66th st, Oakland Ca, 94609
>
>

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Not without recompiling...

On 20 Jul 1994, Simcha Lerner wrote:

> Is there a way to change how often pine polls for new mail?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner
> [email protected]
> Opinions expressed are my own. Do not assume that anyone else shares them.
>
>

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Not yet.....

On 20 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:

>
> Question: Is there anyway to use a template/form in Pine.
> I realize this is odd for a mail program but here is the reason.
> We have software that is being used by our markets. It would be
> great if they went into Pine and chose a template for a bug report
> or change/enhancment form. This way the bug or change request is
> logged and handled in one shot. Cuts down on paper, phone calls, etc..
>
> Anyway thanks.
>
> /*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/
> /* Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.*/
> /* - Darth Vader */
> /*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/
> Robert Ogren
> AirTouch Communications - PCS Group
> 390 N. Wiget Ln. #100
> Walnut Creek,CA 94598 E-Mail: [email protected]
> (510) 210-8816 Voice [email protected]
> (510) 210-8806 FAX http://airpcs.com/airpcsHome.html
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: UUCP-PC Pine version?
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You have two choices:

1. Dig into the source.

2. Wait for us to implement disconnected operation.

--DLM

On Wed, 20 Jul 1994, Andrew LaRoy wrote:

> I would like to use pc-pine with a uucp mailer (or other kluge to
> get mail from the pc to a UNIX machine without a slip link). To do this,
> I need to have pine simply write outgoing files to disk for later
> transport and have pine read incoming messages from an inbox. Is there
> some simple way to do this using the pre-compiled pc-pine versions, or do I
> have to (shutter, gasp) mess with source code?
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Sincerely,
> Andrew LaRoy
> main mailbox: [email protected]
> DKS 1057: Unable to locate: Desk
> Attempting to load: Shovel.
>
>
>

From [email protected] Wed Jul 20 17:11:51 1994
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Some mail sent with Pine 3.89 ends up with "Reply-To:" and "Sender:"
headers, regardless of whether it is actually sent with the Reply option.
These headers are correct but are unwanted.

Thanks.

--

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In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> (message from Phu Luong on Wed, 20 Jul 1994 21:33:50 GMT)
Subject: Re: .sig

>>>>> "Phu" == Phu Luong <[email protected]> writes:

Phu> when I reply to a message, my dot sig is at the top how do I
Phu> fix it so it goes on the bottom?

feature-list is a comma separated list of features. You use the feature-list
to specify various things including the placement of your .signature file.
Here's my feature list from my .pinerc file:

feature-list=enable-unix-pipe-cmd,
enable-suspend,
enable-alternate-editor-cmd,
quit-without-confirm,
enable-jump-shortcut,
enable-goto-cmd,
signature-at-bottom # this is the part you're looking for!!

Good-luck !!
Dave
==========================================
David Richards
The Aaron Copland School of Music
at Queens College
E-mail: [email protected]
Voice : 1-(718)-997-3874
==========================================

From [email protected] Wed Jul 20 18:05:13 1994
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Is there any way to remap keys in pine? I am particularly interested in
using Esc instead of ^C and anything instead of ^^.

Thanks,

Dave

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From: [email protected] (Alex Nishri)
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Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 02:11:20 GMT

In article <[email protected]>,
Jim Davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Simcha Lerner <[email protected]> wrote:
>:Is there a way to change how often pine polls for new mail?
>:
>
>In the pine3.89 source code, it looks like NEW_MAIL_TIME, #define'd to
>be 150 seconds in pine/os.h, is the thing to change. I haven't tried
>that though.

Is it 150 seconds for pc-pine imap too?

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Subject: Outgoing mail shows wrong time - how to fix?
Date: 20 Jul 1994 20:34:31 -0700
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

I am running Pine 3.89 on Linux 1.09 -- I have my system clock
set to GMT, but would like Pine to display the message as being sent
in Local time (PDT at the moment).

Is there a variable in .pinerc or somewhere else that can be set?

I don't seem to find any reference to this when scanning Pine's "help"
for either "TZ, Zone, Time" et cetera.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Hi, probably an FAQ. But how do I get the Reply-To: inserted in the
outgoing message header? A net-mail reply would be appreciated.
Thanks.

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Subject: Re: Remapping pine keys
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In a previous article, [email protected] (David McCullough Dobson) says:

>Is there any way to remap keys in pine? I am particularly interested in
>using Esc instead of ^C and anything instead of ^^.

The problem with using ESC is that it is the prefix character used
for arrow keys on many terminals. Pine can figure out whether you typed
an arrow key or an ESC if it is followed by another character (I believe
Pine also understands a few other ESC sequences from ISO 2022). But, if
no character follows the ESC, as if you've decided to cancel a message
in composition, Pine can't tell if you've just hit ESC, or an arrow key,
whose remaining characters (perhaps [A ) will arrive shortly if a packet
got lost somewhere.
I guess this could work in the highlighted prompt (PINE EMERGENCY EXIT:
Really ABORT, dump CORE, and reboot the SYSTEM right NOW??!? [y/n/^C]) where
a single character is expected.
Also, you can start Pine in a mode where function keys execute the
commands, instead of control characters.

Barry Bouwsma
<[email protected]> or usually <[email protected]>

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References: <Pine.3.89.9407201637.A5546-0100000@icsrxp>

In a previous article, [email protected] (Shahjehan Khatri) says:

>Some mail sent with Pine 3.89 ends up with "Reply-To:" and "Sender:"

These headers appear when your composition is postponed. There is a
good reason for them, and Pine3.90 will make use of them to permit you
to customize headers within Pine to redirect replies (as I have done
with this newspost; mailing list victims will probably see the list as
the reply field). At present it's possible for you to manually edit
them to redirect mail replies.

Barry Bouwsma
<[email protected]> and on better days <[email protected]>

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From: [email protected] (Barry Bouwsma)
Subject: Re: pine newsgroup mod proposal
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:21:22 GMT
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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In a previous article, [email protected] ("Andrew B. Sweger") says:

>I'm wondering
>if there is interest here to split out comp.mail.pine into two groups. For
>example,
>
> comp.mail.pine-admin & [techinical/admin discussions]
> comp.mail.pine-user, [end-user questions/FAQs/etc.]
>
>where pine-admin would remain linked with pine-info
>grin]). However, I'd much rather subscribe to a more technical channel
>from the sysadmin's perspective (the way pine-info used to be).

I would suggest, rather than create a parallel group under comp.mail,
that a new hierarchy under comp.mail.pine be created. comp.mail.pine.* ,
such as, say, comp.mail.pine.tech, comp.mail.pine.misc (which could serve
as todays' comp.mail.pine, eventually comp.mail.pine as a newsgroup itself
could be removed and replaced by the misc group if so desired).
The reason being that there is a single group for Elm, and it is better

Also, pine-announce could be gatewayed to a comp.mail.pine.announce (moderated).
And comp.mail.pine.bugs, if there is interest...
not to create so many parallel groups.

Barry Bouwsma
<[email protected]> and when packets permit <[email protected]>

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Reply-To:
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On 21 Jul 1994, GOH LIU KANG wrote:

> Hi, probably an FAQ. But how do I get the Reply-To: inserted in the
> outgoing message header? A net-mail reply would be appreciated.
> Thanks.

Wait just a *few weeks* for pine 3.90.....

Ed

Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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From: Shahjehan Khatri <[email protected]>
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> >Some mail sent with Pine 3.89 ends up with "Reply-To:" and "Sender:"
>
> These headers appear when your composition is postponed.

Thanks!

> There is a good reason for them,

Pardon me, I don't understand. What's a good reason for adding these
headers without the user having the foggiest?

--

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From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions <[email protected]>
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How do I unsubscribe to this list? I think this list is way past ready
for being a newsgroup. I don't need the mail traffic.

Thanks in advance

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 16:00:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phu Luong <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: .sig
To: David Richards <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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can I send you my pinerc so you can see what it looks
like and fix it for me?

phu

On Wed, 20 Jul 1994, David Richards wrote:

> >>>>> "Phu" == Phu Luong <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Phu> when I reply to a message, my dot sig is at the top how do I
> Phu> fix it so it goes on the bottom?
>
> feature-list is a comma separated list of features. You use the feature-list
> to specify various things including the placement of your .signature file.
> Here's my feature list from my .pinerc file:
>
> feature-list=enable-unix-pipe-cmd,
> enable-suspend,
> enable-alternate-editor-cmd,
> quit-without-confirm,
> enable-jump-shortcut,
> enable-goto-cmd,
> signature-at-bottom # this is the part you're looking for!!
>
>
> Good-luck !!
> Dave
> ==========================================
> David Richards
> The Aaron Copland School of Music
> at Queens College
> E-mail: [email protected]
> Voice : 1-(718)-997-3874
> ==========================================
>

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On Thu, 21 Jul 1994, Phu Luong wrote:

>
> can I send you my pinerc so you can see what it looks
> like and fix it for me?
>
>
Yes - But I'll need a day or two so please be patient (things
have been insane on my end the last couple of days)

==========================================
David Richards
The Aaron Copland School of Music
at Queens College
E-mail: [email protected]
Voice : 1-(718)-997-3874
==========================================

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From: [email protected] (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: pine 3.89 for Solaris 2.3 wanted
Date: 21 Jul 1994 11:29:37 -0700
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

In article <[email protected]>,
Ed Greshko <[email protected]> wrote:
:On 20 Jul 1994 [email protected] wrote:
:
:> Does anyone know where I can get a compiled pine 3.89 for Solaris 2.3?
:
: Look to ftp.cac.washington.edu in /mail/UNIX-BINARIES

One minor point I didn't see mentioned in the tech-notes (or
elsewhere); Solaris 2.x uses the System V mail setup, so the spool
directory is in the mail group, mode 775, and user's mail files are
also in the mail group, mode 770. Hence pine has to be installed
setgid mail. (This has some interesting consequences for the
system("passwd") problem I mentioned earlier.)

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From: [email protected] (Ben Parker)
Subject: -d0 flag causes hang on exit from Pine
Date: 21 Jul 94 17:49:53 GMT
Message-Id: <bparker.774812993@interaccess>

I am tired of the collection of .pine-debug* files in my home directory.
I know there is a compiler switch that will turn it off, but I can't get
my sysadmin to recompile. So I was please to learn of the -d0 switch
that can be used on the command line calling pine. It tried it, but I
get a system hang when exiting Pine. If I set -d1 then I still get some
debug files, but i can exit ok.

Any clues on why the exit hang with -d0?

Thanks.

--
Ben Parker [email protected] [email protected]

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Can anyone point me to some documentation on, or perhaps tell me, how to
retreive mail from a popmail server with PINE? This info would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Andy

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GOH LIU KANG ([email protected]) wrote:
: Hi, probably an FAQ. But how do I get the Reply-To: inserted in the
: outgoing message header? A net-mail reply would be appreciated.
: Thanks

Create a file named "elmheader" . In it write:

Reply-To: [email protected]

and place it in your .elm directory.