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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: re: MMDF format mailboxes
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On Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:37:23 +0100 (BST), Andy Powell wrote:
> Now the bad news... I can't get the mmdf driver to work at all on our
> MMDF mailboxes. Is anyone using these drivers with MMDF update 43 (or
> any other version for that matter)? The VALID macro (from mmdf.h) is
> looking for a mailbox with messages separated by 4 CTRL-A's, then a
> newline, then a line like "From blah blah blah". Our mailboxes here
> don't look like that :-(. They just have the 4 CTRL-A's followed by a
> newline - then you go straight into the message.
>
> I've tried making the VALID macro much simpler (i.e it just checks for
> "\001\001\001\001\n") but unfortunately routines like mmdf_parse() appear
> to want to do things with that non-existant From line :-(.
>
> I think I need some explanation of how the "From " line is being used
> and whether mmdf driver routines can be written that don't rely on
> having such a line at the start of each message. Do any of the other
> drivers not rely on such a line?

I do not have access to any MMDF systems and have had to guess what works and
what does not work from contributed code. My surmise is that some MMDF
systems write a standard UNIX mbox format ``From '' line after the CTRL/A's,
and others do not.

c-client parses a message's ``fast internal date'' from the ``From '' line.
If it is not there, then there is no way to get a ``fast'' internal date. I
guess it's perhaps alright to get it to the current date; it may cause false
date displays in some programs that use c-client but it can't be helped. Pine
should be OK though.

Since I don't have access to any MMDF systems, nor have I ever gotten a
straight story on how MMDF works, there isn't much more I can add; you'll
probably have to do some hacking. Let me know if there is anything I can do
to help out.

> BTW, I've been working with the c-client libraries from imap-3.3. You
> should note that both the mmdf and bezerk drivers include (different)
> definitions of the VALID macro. This may account for the difficulties in
> trying to use both drivers together?

No, there should be no problem with having both drivers included, since only
the bezerk driver includes bezerk.h and only the mmdf driver includes mmdf.h.
The mmdf driver derived from the bezerk driver (if you do a diff you'll see
that they are quite similar), hence the similarity in names.

-- Mark --

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From: minerva <[email protected]>
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Hello, all-

Here I am with yet another pine/imap question:

How do I save mail messages from my remote inbox to a remote mail folder?
I don't want to save to my local mail folders always...

The on line help doesn't seem to talk much about different ways to save
things other than to mention export can be used to save to one's home
directory with little mail/header information; I don't believe that's what
I want.

Pointers?

Thanks!

>>-Darci->

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From: "G. H. Chinoy" <[email protected]>
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Hi,
I have a user that wants to view attachments automatically instead
of going through (what he terms) 'the tedious process' of V)iewing things.
Is there a .pinerc configuration variable of some sort?

Hussain
________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy
Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
Cupples I, Room 213
314.935.4353
Washington University in St. Louis
[email protected]

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From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
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I agree, strongly!

On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, David Brownlee wrote:

> Please do NOT make this part of old-growth!
>
> By all means make it a option, but please don't include it in
> the old-growth set!
>
> Old-growth enables extra feature, not makes changes to the user
> interface! (As I see it :)
>
> David
>
>
> [email protected]. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster.
> <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._>
> Snailmail:E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London EC1V 0HB.
>
>
>

=======================================================================
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University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Eugene Tyurin <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: How to customise pager in PINE 3.89?
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Eugene,

I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish, but Pine 3.90 will include a
couple features that might help. The Pipe command will allow you to route a
message or MIME part through a program of your choice. Mailcap will also be
supported, so you can define whatever viewers or filters you want. There are
some limitations in the mailcap support, so we will be interested to get some
feedback from active mailcap users.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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On Fri, 1 Apr 1994, Eugene Tyurin wrote:

>
> I posted this question in comp.mail.mime couple of days ago and got no
> respone, so I hope to get it here.
>
> I'd like to be able to invoke some shell scripts on some of my plain
> text e-mail messages. It would be ideal to for me to find a way to
> replace Pine's builtin text viewer with my own. How can I do this?
>
> Can I declare my own Attachment type - viewer pair? I tried to use
> printer option, but didn't succeed because of the weird line-by-line
> output.
>
> Thanks for help.
>
> -- MIME mail is welcome
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Hussain,

We plan to improve the attachment viewer interface in a future release of
Pine. Until then, I don't have too much to offer. Sorry.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 1 Apr 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a user that wants to view attachments automatically instead
> of going through (what he terms) 'the tedious process' of V)iewing things.
> Is there a .pinerc configuration variable of some sort?
>
> Hussain
> ________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy
> Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
> [email protected]
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: minerva <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: imap and saving to remote mail folders
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Darci,

If the remote folder is in your primary folder collection, just give the
folder name with the Save command. If it is in another collection listed
on the folder-collections variable in your .pinerc file, you can change
collections using ^N and ^P at the Save prompt. Otherwise, you can
specify the full remote name as "{imapserver}folderpath".

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 1 Apr 1994, minerva wrote:

>
>
> Hello, all-
>
> Here I am with yet another pine/imap question:
>
> How do I save mail messages from my remote inbox to a remote mail folder?
> I don't want to save to my local mail folders always...
>
> The on line help doesn't seem to talk much about different ways to save
> things other than to mention export can be used to save to one's home
> directory with little mail/header information; I don't believe that's what
> I want.
>
> Pointers?
>
> Thanks!
>
> >>-Darci->
>
> --
> ------ Love thy enemies: they'll go crazy trying to figure out what you're up to
> \ --/--- Bumpersticker of the Week: "Against Abortion? Get a Vasectomy"
> \ \/ / Don't support discrimination -- don't support the OCA!
> \/\ / <a href="http://vector.casti.com/QRD/.html/People/Darci">About Me</a>
> \/ Paradise Cowgirl - [email protected] - [email protected]
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 14:39:50 -0800 (PST)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Kari Sutela <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: When's Pine's next Release?
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Kari,

This is definitely on the to-do list, but I am not sure if it will make
the next release. Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, Kari Sutela wrote:

> If the set of new features in then next pine release is not locked, yet,
> I'd like to make a suggestion: support for RFC 1522 (using non-ASCII
> characters in headers). This is something our users miss badly.
>
> /KS

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: ^T Question
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Matt,

As you have noted, Pine currently has a wee bit of trouble handling
hidden directories in the browser. We have not yet come up with a
solution we are completely happy with, but it is on our to-do list...

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Matt Simmons wrote:

> Since pine doesn't know how to rotate sigs yet, to read in a new one, I
> have to go the ^R ^T route... Unfortunately, the only way to get into
> the .sigfiles directory is to type in /home3/zarthac/.sigfiles/ then hit
> ^T. Needless to say this gets annoying. Could you fix ^T so that either
> I can merely type .sigfiles/ or ~/.sigfiles/ or even have it display .
> files automatically? thanks
>
> [email protected] Matt Simmons Bradley University, Peoria, IL
> Found in the BU Scout Personals:
> "Jane--I don't want to be alone again for Valentine's Day. I want to work
> this out. I was just hurt that you would sleep with my best friend ...
> repeatedly ... in my bed. Actually, never mind. Go to hell. John"
>
>

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From: Alex A Sergejew <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Subject: Port of Pine 3.89 to BSDI BSD/386 ver 1.1
To: [email protected]
Organisation: Swinburne University of Technology, Center for Applied Neurosciences
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I have successfully ported pine-3.89 to run under BSDI BSD/386 version 1.1
and append the patches in the form of context diffs with respect to the
distribution tree from ftp.cac.washington.edu:/mail/pine3.89.tar.Z

These patches are based on the distributed "bsi" port to BSD/386 Gamma 4.1
as submitted to washington by Michael F. Santangelo <[email protected]>,
and the patches to pine3.87 posted to comp.os.386bsd.apps on Oct 31 1993
by Alex Tang <[email protected]>

Get and untar the distribution tar file, run these patches out of the pine3.89
directory, then do "build bsi" (then copy the binaries to somewhere like
/usr/local/bin).

It would be nice if these patches replaced those based on the obsolete
BSD/386 Gamma release in the canonical Pine distribution...

Alex.
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*** 31,37 ****
RSH = rsh
RSHPATH = /usr/bin/rsh
OSDEFS = -DRSH=\"$(RSH)\" -DRSHPATH=\"$(RSHPATH)\"
! CFLAGS = -g -O -pipe
LDFLAGS =

mtest: mtest.o c-client.a
--- 31,37 ----
RSH = rsh
RSHPATH = /usr/bin/rsh
OSDEFS = -DRSH=\"$(RSH)\" -DRSHPATH=\"$(RSHPATH)\"
! CFLAGS = -O -pipe
LDFLAGS =

mtest: mtest.o c-client.a
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*** 102,108 ****
#define QcompType const void
#else
#define QSType int
! #define QcompType void
#endif

/*
--- 102,108 ----
#define QcompType const void
#else
#define QSType int
! #define QcompType const void
#endif

/*
*** ./pico/makefile.bsi.orig Tue Aug 17 08:33:30 1993
--- ./pico/makefile.bsi Sat Apr 2 20:46:24 1994
***************
*** 40,49 ****
#

#includes symbol info for debugging
! DASHO= -g
#for normal build
! #DASHO= -O

CFLAGS= -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI

# switches for library building
--- 40,50 ----
#

#includes symbol info for debugging
! #DASHO= -g
#for normal build
! DASHO= -O

+ #CFLAGS= -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -traditional
CFLAGS= -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI

# switches for library building
*** ./pine/osdep/os-bsi.h.orig Tue Nov 16 11:33:13 1993
--- ./pine/osdep/os-bsi.h Sat Apr 2 21:03:18 1994
***************
*** 171,176 ****
--- 171,181 ----

+ /*----------------- Where does incoming mail go? -----------------------*/
+
+ #define MAILSPOOLPCTS "/var/mail/%s"
+
+
/*----------------- Are we ANSI? ---------------------------------------*/
#define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */

***************
*** 206,214 ****

/*----------------- time.h ---------------------------------------------*/
! #include <time.h>
/* plain time.h isn't enough on some systems */
! /* #include <sys/time.h> /* For struct timeval usually in time.h */

--- 211,219 ----

/*----------------- time.h ---------------------------------------------*/
! /*#include <time.h>*/
/* plain time.h isn't enough on some systems */
! #include <sys/time.h> /* For struct timeval usually in time.h */

***************
*** 264,270 ****

/*----- The usual sendmail configuration for sending mail on Unix ------*/
! #define SENDMAIL "/usr/lib/sendmail"
#define SENDMAILFLAGS "-oi -oem -t" /* ignore dots in incoming mail,
mail back errors, and
get recipients from To, cc,
--- 269,275 ----

/*----- The usual sendmail configuration for sending mail on Unix ------*/
! #define SENDMAIL "/usr/sbin/sendmail"
#define SENDMAILFLAGS "-oi -oem -t" /* ignore dots in incoming mail,
mail back errors, and
get recipients from To, cc,
*** ./pine/makefile.bsi.orig Tue Aug 17 08:54:15 1993
--- ./pine/makefile.bsi Sat Apr 2 20:45:51 1994
***************
*** 57,65 ****
RM= rm -f
LN= ln -s
MAKE= make
OPTIMIZE= -O
PROFILE= # -pg
! DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG

LIBES= -ltermlib
LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a
--- 57,67 ----
RM= rm -f
LN= ln -s
MAKE= make
+ #OPTIMIZE= -O -traditional
OPTIMIZE= -O
PROFILE= # -pg
! #DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG
! DEBUG= -DDEBUG

LIBES= -ltermlib
LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a
***************
*** 135,141 ****
$(RM) os.c
$(LN) osdep/os-bsi.c os.c

! osdep/os-nxt.c: osdep/bld_path osdep/canacces osdep/canonicl \
osdep/chnge_pw osdep/coredump osdep/creatdir \
osdep/diskquot.non osdep/domnames osdep/err_desc \
osdep/expnfldr osdep/fgetpos osdep/filesize osdep/fltrname \
--- 137,143 ----
$(RM) os.c
$(LN) osdep/os-bsi.c os.c

! osdep/os-bsi.c: osdep/bld_path osdep/canacces osdep/canonicl \
osdep/chnge_pw osdep/coredump osdep/creatdir \
osdep/diskquot.non osdep/domnames osdep/err_desc \
osdep/expnfldr osdep/fgetpos osdep/filesize osdep/fltrname \
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Alex A Sergejew <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Port of Pine 3.89 to BSDI BSD/386 ver 1.1
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Alex,

Thanks for the contribution!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Sat, 2 Apr 1994, Alex A Sergejew wrote:

> I have successfully ported pine-3.89 to run under BSDI BSD/386 version 1.1
> and append the patches in the form of context diffs with respect to the
> distribution tree from ftp.cac.washington.edu:/mail/pine3.89.tar.Z
>
> These patches are based on the distributed "bsi" port to BSD/386 Gamma 4.1
> as submitted to washington by Michael F. Santangelo <[email protected]>,
> and the patches to pine3.87 posted to comp.os.386bsd.apps on Oct 31 1993
> by Alex Tang <[email protected]>
>
> Get and untar the distribution tar file, run these patches out of the pine3.89
> directory, then do "build bsi" (then copy the binaries to somewhere like
> /usr/local/bin).
>
> It would be nice if these patches replaced those based on the obsolete
> BSD/386 Gamma release in the canonical Pine distribution...
>
> Alex.
> --
> Dr Alex A Sergejew, Center for Applied Neurosciences, Swinburne _--_|\
> University of Technology, PO Box 218, Hawthorn, Vic 3122, Australia. / \
> Internet: [email protected] or [email protected] \_.--.x/
> Phone: (voice) +61-3-819 8891 (fax) +61-3-819 0856 v
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *** ./imap/ANSI/c-client/makefile.bsi.orig Wed Nov 10 11:24:37 1993
> --- ./imap/ANSI/c-client/makefile.bsi Sat Apr 2 21:05:56 1994
> ***************
> *** 31,37 ****
> RSH = rsh
> RSHPATH = /usr/bin/rsh
> OSDEFS = -DRSH=\"$(RSH)\" -DRSHPATH=\"$(RSHPATH)\"
> ! CFLAGS = -g -O -pipe
> LDFLAGS =
>
> mtest: mtest.o c-client.a
> --- 31,37 ----
> RSH = rsh
> RSHPATH = /usr/bin/rsh
> OSDEFS = -DRSH=\"$(RSH)\" -DRSHPATH=\"$(RSHPATH)\"
> ! CFLAGS = -O -pipe
> LDFLAGS =
>
> mtest: mtest.o c-client.a
> *** ./pico/os_unix.h.orig Tue Nov 9 06:14:02 1993
> --- ./pico/os_unix.h Sat Apr 2 20:46:14 1994
> ***************
> *** 102,108 ****
> #define QcompType const void
> #else
> #define QSType int
> ! #define QcompType void
> #endif
>
> /*
> --- 102,108 ----
> #define QcompType const void
> #else
> #define QSType int
> ! #define QcompType const void
> #endif
>
> /*
> *** ./pico/makefile.bsi.orig Tue Aug 17 08:33:30 1993
> --- ./pico/makefile.bsi Sat Apr 2 20:46:24 1994
> ***************
> *** 40,49 ****
> #
>
> #includes symbol info for debugging
> ! DASHO= -g
> #for normal build
> ! #DASHO= -O
>
> CFLAGS= -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI
>
> # switches for library building
> --- 40,50 ----
> #
>
> #includes symbol info for debugging
> ! #DASHO= -g
> #for normal build
> ! DASHO= -O
>
> + #CFLAGS= -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -traditional
> CFLAGS= -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI
>
> # switches for library building
> *** ./pine/osdep/os-bsi.h.orig Tue Nov 16 11:33:13 1993
> --- ./pine/osdep/os-bsi.h Sat Apr 2 21:03:18 1994
> ***************
> *** 171,176 ****
> --- 171,181 ----
>
>
>
> + /*----------------- Where does incoming mail go? -----------------------*/
> +
> + #define MAILSPOOLPCTS "/var/mail/%s"
> +
> +
> /*----------------- Are we ANSI? ---------------------------------------*/
> #define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */
>
> ***************
> *** 206,214 ****
>
>
> /*----------------- time.h ---------------------------------------------*/
> ! #include <time.h>
> /* plain time.h isn't enough on some systems */
> ! /* #include <sys/time.h> /* For struct timeval usually in time.h */
>
>
>
> --- 211,219 ----
>
>
> /*----------------- time.h ---------------------------------------------*/
> ! /*#include <time.h>*/
> /* plain time.h isn't enough on some systems */
> ! #include <sys/time.h> /* For struct timeval usually in time.h */
>
>
>
> ***************
> *** 264,270 ****
>
>
> /*----- The usual sendmail configuration for sending mail on Unix ------*/
> ! #define SENDMAIL "/usr/lib/sendmail"
> #define SENDMAILFLAGS "-oi -oem -t" /* ignore dots in incoming mail,
> mail back errors, and
> get recipients from To, cc,
> --- 269,275 ----
>
>
> /*----- The usual sendmail configuration for sending mail on Unix ------*/
> ! #define SENDMAIL "/usr/sbin/sendmail"
> #define SENDMAILFLAGS "-oi -oem -t" /* ignore dots in incoming mail,
> mail back errors, and
> get recipients from To, cc,
> *** ./pine/makefile.bsi.orig Tue Aug 17 08:54:15 1993
> --- ./pine/makefile.bsi Sat Apr 2 20:45:51 1994
> ***************
> *** 57,65 ****
> RM= rm -f
> LN= ln -s
> MAKE= make
> OPTIMIZE= -O
> PROFILE= # -pg
> ! DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG
>
> LIBES= -ltermlib
> LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a
> --- 57,67 ----
> RM= rm -f
> LN= ln -s
> MAKE= make
> + #OPTIMIZE= -O -traditional
> OPTIMIZE= -O
> PROFILE= # -pg
> ! #DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG
> ! DEBUG= -DDEBUG
>
> LIBES= -ltermlib
> LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a
> ***************
> *** 135,141 ****
> $(RM) os.c
> $(LN) osdep/os-bsi.c os.c
>
> ! osdep/os-nxt.c: osdep/bld_path osdep/canacces osdep/canonicl \
> osdep/chnge_pw osdep/coredump osdep/creatdir \
> osdep/diskquot.non osdep/domnames osdep/err_desc \
> osdep/expnfldr osdep/fgetpos osdep/filesize osdep/fltrname \
> --- 137,143 ----
> $(RM) os.c
> $(LN) osdep/os-bsi.c os.c
>
> ! osdep/os-bsi.c: osdep/bld_path osdep/canacces osdep/canonicl \
> osdep/chnge_pw osdep/coredump osdep/creatdir \
> osdep/diskquot.non osdep/domnames osdep/err_desc \
> osdep/expnfldr osdep/fgetpos osdep/filesize osdep/fltrname \
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> Sherry,
>
> The final feature-list for Pine 3.9x is still a moving target. Some of
>
:
> --DLM

Any estimate on Sherry's key question - "when?"

Mike

==============================================================================
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The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094

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The best guess at this point is late spring....

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On Sun, 3 Apr 1994, Mike Roch wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > Sherry,
> >
> > The final feature-list for Pine 3.9x is still a moving target. Some of
> >
> :
> > --DLM
>
> Any estimate on Sherry's key question - "when?"
>
> Mike
>
> ==============================================================================
> Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430
> The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094
>
>
>

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From: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
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Greetings:-

I have started playing around with SLIP recently, and was hoping to get
PC-Pine (pcpine_p) running. I am using the SLIP8250 packet driver, and
have successfully got SLIP'ping with Kermit, Gopher and NCSA Telnet.

Although I've made the necessary mods to the wattcp.cfg, and even tried
the NCSA config.tel file, my primary problem seems to be that machine
names are not being resolved by the nameserver. For example, all attempts
to open an inbox on some remote machine, come back with a host unknown
error message.

I'd appreciate any pointers :-)

Ian.

P.S. I also assume that the PC version of the IMAP executable is included
as a part of PC-Pine, as I was unable to find anything of this sort
separately. I should also point out that telnet'ing to various IMAP
servers, has verified that this new service works.

--
Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
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Is there a way to turn off the monthly moving of the save-message filter?

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Robert,

The simplest way is to set "last-time-prune-questioned=99.12" in your
pinerc file. This will delay the move for a few years anyway...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Is there a way to turn off the monthly moving of the save-message filter?
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police"
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>

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On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 10:01:52 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Robert A. Hayden <[email protected]>
> To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
> Subject: Turning off Save-folder moving
>
> Is there a way to turn off the monthly moving of the save-message filter?

While it doesn't really turn it off, what works is to change
the "last time pruned" in .pinerc to something like 394.
Then it just never occurs.

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Subject: wordwrap change
To: pine listserver <[email protected]>
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Sorry if this is too basic of a question for this list. How do I change
the current wordwrap in Pine? I would like to change it to 60 or even 55.
Should this be included in the .pinerc file? thank you.
***********************************
Terri Jo Ortega
Academic Computing Analyst
University of California
Santa Barbara
English Department
Santa Barbara, Ca 93106
ph-(805)893-2119
fax-(805)893-4622
[email protected]
***********************************

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Terri,

There have been several requests for a word-wrap-column variable in the
pinerc file. Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, Terri Jo Ortega wrote:

> Sorry if this is too basic of a question for this list. How do I change
> the current wordwrap in Pine? I would like to change it to 60 or even 55.
> Should this be included in the .pinerc file? thank you.
> ***********************************
> Terri Jo Ortega
> Academic Computing Analyst
> University of California
> Santa Barbara
> English Department
> Santa Barbara, Ca 93106
> ph-(805)893-2119
> fax-(805)893-4622
> [email protected]
> ***********************************
>
>

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Hello,
I have had no luck compilong pine under NetBSD 0.9 or Esix SVR4 on
an intel machine. Can anyone help me? Does anyone have binaries for
either of theese that I can get a copy of?

Thanks much,

Rick Gaine

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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 94 14:21:38 EDT
From: Jim Ennis <[email protected]>
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Subject: Possible Exceeded File Size Error
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Hello,

I am running Pine 3.89 on a SunOS 4.1.3 Sparc 10/41. For some reason,
all of my users who have the filesize limit set began to get the message

sh: nnnn Exceeded file size limit

when they were sending mail. They are able to create files with pico and
save them, so I think the problem is between pine and sendmail. Has anyone
else seen this type of problem? If this is a known problem, what is the fix?

Jim Ennis

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Hi,
Our college has recently acquired a box running on SCO-UNIX and I was
wondering if we could find a binary version of Pine to run on our
machine. What are the other requirements as far as files, pathnames, etc?
We would be extremely grateful if someone could throw some light on the
situation.

Thanks in advance,

Chris Fullinfaw

[email protected]

(712)274-8733x1291

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Chris,

I understand there is an SCO port of pine on soils.agron.iastate.edu. It
is not part of the official distribution and I have heard mixed reviews
about it, so let us know how you fare...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 4 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi,
> Our college has recently acquired a box running on SCO-UNIX and I was
> wondering if we could find a binary version of Pine to run on our
> machine. What are the other requirements as far as files, pathnames, etc?
> We would be extremely grateful if someone could throw some light on the
> situation.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris Fullinfaw
>
> [email protected]
>
> (712)274-8733x1291
>

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Hello,

I am running Pine 3.89 on a SunOS 4.1.3 Sparc 10/41. For some reason,
all of my users who have the filesize limit set began to get the message

sh: nnnn Exceeded file size limit

when they were sending mail. They are able to create files with pico and
save them, so I think the problem is between pine and sendmail. Has anyone
else seen this type of problem? If this is a known problem, what is the fix?

Jim Ennis

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 16:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
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Frank,

Here's the scoop from the expert ([email protected]):

1) create a file /etc/anonymous.newsgroups
2) the file(s) to be read must be either netnews newsgroups (with setup on
/usr/spool/news and /usr/lib/news/active) or in ~ftp.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Frank Richter wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a local mailing list archive and want to make it accessible by an
> anonymous read-only IMAP server. It is possible? How?
>
> Regards,
> Frank
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Frank Richter Computing Services, Technical University Chemnitz, Germany
> Email: [email protected] (MIME welcome) | see X.500 entry
> Tel: +49 (0)371 668-361 >> Alles wird besser, aber nichts wird gut... <<
>
>

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From: "G. H. Chinoy" <[email protected]>
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I have a silly question. Is there a way to make pine play a
different beep sound than just the standard one when a new message
arrives? We're using NeXT machines running NeXTstep 3.0.

Any ideas?

Hussain Chinoy

____________________________________________________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
[email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
314.935.4353
Washington University in St. Louis

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Hussain,

The only thing Pine currently does for a beep is send a ^G. At some
point we might change this, but I'm not sure how soon.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote:

>
> I have a silly question. Is there a way to make pine play a
> different beep sound than just the standard one when a new message
> arrives? We're using NeXT machines running NeXTstep 3.0.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Hussain Chinoy
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
>
>

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From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou <[email protected]>
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How can I make the Rich Header option standard instead of having to press
^R ?

Thanx.

Ippokratis

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From: Kari Sutela <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine 3.89 for solaris 2.3?
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Has anybody managed to build pine for solaris 2.3? Pico builds nicely
(and works!) with "build sol", but I can't even get the addrbook.c module
of pine to compile. What I get is error messages like this:

Making Pine.
cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c
"/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename
"addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
explicit cast
"addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
explicit cast
"addrbook.c", line 1349: cannot recover from previous errors
cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o'

By editing the pine include files (I seem to recall that I removed an
"#include <unistd.h>" somewhere) I managed to get a successful compile,
but the resulting binary just coredumps while reading or writing the
pinerc file. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to reseach this
properly, so I'm asking for help.

BTW, this is with the SparcWorks C compiler.

/KS

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From: Jason Lee <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 for solaris 2.3?
To: Kari Sutela <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine mailing list <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Kari Sutela wrote:

> Has anybody managed to build pine for solaris 2.3? Pico builds nicely
> (and works!) with "build sol", but I can't even get the addrbook.c module
> of pine to compile. What I get is error messages like this:
>
> Making Pine.
> cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c
> "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename
> "addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
> explicit cast
> "addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
> explicit cast
> "addrbook.c", line 1349: cannot recover from previous errors
> cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o'
>
> By editing the pine include files (I seem to recall that I removed an
> "#include <unistd.h>" somewhere) I managed to get a successful compile,
> but the resulting binary just coredumps while reading or writing the
> .pinerc file. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to reseach this
> properly, so I'm asking for help.
>
> BTW, this is with the SparcWorks C compiler.
>
> /KS
>

The problem is both stdio.h and unistd.h declare rename. The way
around it is as follows:

In stdio.h do

#ifndef _UNISTD_H
extern int rename(const char *, const char *);
#endif

In unistd.h do
#ifndef _STDIO_H
extern int rename(const char *, const char *);
#endif

And you should have no problems after that. Happy pine'ing
bye

-----
Internet address: [email protected]
Name : Jason David Lee
Assistant System Programmer
Computer Science Department, Uni of QLD

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From: Lawrence Absha III <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 for solaris 2.3?
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Add -Dconst= to the CFLAGS for makefile.sol in the pine subdirectory.
That takes care of the redefinition of rename, and it is easier to do
than adding #ifdefs and such.

shy

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On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Kari Sutela wrote:

> Has anybody managed to build pine for solaris 2.3? Pico builds nicely
> (and works!) with "build sol", but I can't even get the addrbook.c module
> of pine to compile. What I get is error messages like this:
>
> Making Pine.
> cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c
> "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename
> "addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
> explicit cast
> "addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
> explicit cast
> "addrbook.c", line 1349: cannot recover from previous errors
> cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o'
>
> By editing the pine include files (I seem to recall that I removed an
> "#include <unistd.h>" somewhere) I managed to get a successful compile,
> but the resulting binary just coredumps while reading or writing the
> .pinerc file. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to reseach this
> properly, so I'm asking for help.
>
> BTW, this is with the SparcWorks C compiler.
>
> /KS
>

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Hi all
I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this message so I'm sorry
in advance.

I'm new at using pine so I'm not sure if this is possible.

I'm a member of four mailing lists and I would like the different
mailing lists to be put in different folders on arival.
eg, all the thinkpad email to go to the thinkpad folder and all the
guispeak email to go to the guispeak folder.

Is this possible? How would I go about setting it up. I've created
folders for each mailing list but the auto diversion?

Thanks for any help in advance.

Regards Nick

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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 10:08:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
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Hello,
I was unable to compile pine on Esix SVR4, but someone gave me an
executable that does run, however it will not send mail. Our system is
not running sendmail. We are using smtp. In the .pinerc file there is a
line for smtp server, but when I put our host there it doesn't work. Now
for the questions: What am I doing wrong? Does anyone use pine on Esix
SVR4? What am I doing wrong with the smtp server line in the .pinerc, or
do I have to do something on my system to make it work? And for the final
question, does anyone have Esyx SVR4.0.4 with pine running correctally?

Thanks much,
Rick Gaine

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From: James Dryfoos <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: different beep on new message?
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On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 17:25:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
> To: "G. H. Chinoy" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: different beep on new message?
>
>
> Hussain,
>
> The only thing Pine currently does for a beep is send a ^G. At some
> point we might change this, but I'm not sure how soon.
>
> Thanks for the request!
>
> --DLM

If you feel like dealing with a little complexity, you can use procmail
to do this (I assume it will run on a Next). For example, the
procmailrc command:

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Lets play a sound file for each incoming message and continue processing
# Will have to throw away the piped data and then execute the play program
# Will just send the header to pipe as smaller. Wish could turn it off!
:0 hc
|cat > /dev/null ; /usr/local/audio/play /usr/local/audio/MeepMeep.au

Does what you want for me. Of course, procmail lets you do a lot more
with incoming mail. I have attached two readme files on procmail if you
are interseted.

-- Jim

>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote:
>
> >
> > I have a silly question. Is there a way to make pine play a
> > different beep sound than just the standard one when a new message
> > arrives? We're using NeXT machines running NeXTstep 3.0.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Hussain Chinoy
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> > G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> > [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> > 314.935.4353
> > Washington University in St. Louis
> >
> >
>

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Hello,
I had trouble compiling pine for NetBSD, so I ftp'd the binary,
however when I execute the file I get the following error:

Who are you? (Unable to look up login name)

Does anyone know what this means and how I can correct the problem?

Or - Does anyone hav the binary for NetBSD that works properly?

Rick Gaine

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We are considering a move to PC-pine. In testing it, I tried to move
my current folders from the Unix box to my PC. They are in my \mail
directory on my pc and they all have the .mtx extension. However, when I
use PC-pine, only folders created by PC-pine can be read. Is there any
way to "convert" folders from Unix pine to PC-pine?

Lisa Frye [email protected]
Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634

"You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."

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Is there any type of spell-checking on PC-pine?

Lisa Frye [email protected]
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Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634

"You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."

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Hi,

I obtained a copy of the pine binary for SCO-UNIX from
soils.agron.iastate.edu. I then tried running it on our machine and got
as far as the pine main menu when the core dumps and I get the message:

"Bug in pine detected: Received abort signal"
"Exiting pine"

Any help in porting pine to our machine would be greatly appreciated.

Also, forgive me for asking, but what are the files I need for setting
up pine for our system? I first used pine less than a month ago and like
it immensely. I am now trying to see if I can port it onto our new system
- a box running on SCO-UNIX V386/r 3.2, but know nothing about setting up
the system.

Thanks in advance,

Chris Fullinfaw

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Lisa,
There is a conversion utility in development, but it is not quite ready for
release yet.

-teg

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote:

>
> We are considering a move to PC-pine. In testing it, I tried to move
> my current folders from the Unix box to my PC. They are in my \mail
> directory on my pc and they all have the .mtx extension. However, when I
> use PC-pine, only folders created by PC-pine can be read. Is there any
> way to "convert" folders from Unix pine to PC-pine?
>
>
>
> Lisa Frye [email protected]
> Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
> Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
> Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634
>
> "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Ippokratis,

Currently you can't, but the next release of Pine will let you configure
what headers you get by default.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, Ippokraths Karakasoglou wrote:

> How can I make the Rich Header option standard instead of having to press
> ^R ?
>
> Thanx.
>
> Ippokratis
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Nick Allan <[email protected]>
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Nick,

This is a frequently asked question, but unfortunately outside of the
scope of Pine. What you need is one of the freely available "filter"
programs. Some examples are filter, procmail, and deliver. Ask your
local support staff if any of them are already supported at your site.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 5 Apr 1994, Nick Allan wrote:

> Hi all
> I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this message so I'm sorry
> in advance.
>
> I'm new at using pine so I'm not sure if this is possible.
>
> I'm a member of four mailing lists and I would like the different
> mailing lists to be put in different folders on arival.
> eg, all the thinkpad email to go to the thinkpad folder and all the
> guispeak email to go to the guispeak folder.
>
> Is this possible? How would I go about setting it up. I've created
> folders for each mailing list but the auto diversion?
>
> Thanks for any help in advance.
>
> Regards Nick
>
>

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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Kari Sutela <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine mailing list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 for solaris 2.3?
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Kari,

Start with the original distribution and add "-Dconst=" to the CFLAGS setting
in the pine/makefile.sol. That seems to take care of the problem.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Kari Sutela wrote:

> Has anybody managed to build pine for solaris 2.3? Pico builds nicely
> (and works!) with "build sol", but I can't even get the addrbook.c module
> of pine to compile. What I get is error messages like this:
>
> Making Pine.
> cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c
> "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename
> "addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
> explicit cast
> "addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use
> explicit cast
> "addrbook.c", line 1349: cannot recover from previous errors
> cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o'
>
> By editing the pine include files (I seem to recall that I removed an
> "#include <unistd.h>" somewhere) I managed to get a successful compile,
> but the resulting binary just coredumps while reading or writing the
> .pinerc file. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to reseach this
> properly, so I'm asking for help.
>
> BTW, this is with the SparcWorks C compiler.
>
> /KS

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
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Lisa,

No, we have not found a PC spell-checker that could be sandwiched into
Pine without more hacking that we have been prepared to do thus far.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote:

>
> Is there any type of spell-checking on PC-pine?
>
>
>
> Lisa Frye [email protected]
> Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
> Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
> Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634
>
> "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."
>

From [email protected] Tue Apr 5 09:35:01 1994
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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We don't yet have any direct experience with the SCO port or Pine. I have
talked to several people who run it without difficulty, others can't get it
to work...

There are only two configuration files for Pine, /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
and each user's .pinerc file. You can generate a default .pinerc file
with "pine -conf > pine.conf" and Pine automatically creates the .pinerc
file the first time it is run. Both files have comments explaining each
variable. If you have specific questions, let us know!

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I obtained a copy of the pine binary for SCO-UNIX from
> soils.agron.iastate.edu. I then tried running it on our machine and got
> as far as the pine main menu when the core dumps and I get the message:
>
> "Bug in pine detected: Received abort signal"
> "Exiting pine"
>
> Any help in porting pine to our machine would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Also, forgive me for asking, but what are the files I need for setting
> up pine for our system? I first used pine less than a month ago and like
> it immensely. I am now trying to see if I can port it onto our new system
> - a box running on SCO-UNIX V386/r 3.2, but know nothing about setting up
> the system.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris Fullinfaw
>
> [email protected]
>
> (712)274-8733x1291
>
>
>

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On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Rick Gaine wrote:

> Hello,
> I had trouble compiling pine for NetBSD, so I ftp'd the binary,
> however when I execute the file I get the following error:
>
> Who are you? (Unable to look up login name)
>
> Does anyone know what this means and how I can correct the problem?
>
> Or - Does anyone hav the binary for NetBSD that works properly?

Hi. I don't know if this is acceptable to you, but I have a set of diffs
that you can apply to the pine3.89 source so that it will compile straight
(and work too). They're located at

ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/pine3.89.NetBSD.diff

Let me know if you have any problems.

..alex...
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-----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II,
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WWW -> http://www.snre.umich.edu/users/altitude/

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Alex,
I tried the diffs and I am still having troubles. any
other ideas?

Rick Gaine

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From: Jim Ennis <[email protected]>
Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services
Subject: File Size Limit error
To: Pine Info List <[email protected]>

Hello,

I am running Pine 3.89 on a SunOS 4.1.3 Sparc 10/41. For some reason,
all of my users who have the filesize limit set began to get the message

sh: nnnn Exceeded file size limit

when they were sending mail. They are able to create files with pico and
save them, so I think the problem is between pine and sendmail. Has anyone
else seen this type of problem? If this is a known problem, what is the fix?

Jim Ennis

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On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Rick Gaine wrote:

> Alex,
> I tried the diffs and I am still having troubles. any
> other ideas?

Can you tell me what kind of errors your getting?
Which version of NetBSD are you running? Which version of pine are you
trying to compile?

..alex...

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From: Jerrold Andrew Adkins <[email protected]>
Subject: Practical Questions
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What is the best way to transfer text files to and from an IBM-comp. PC
to PINE?

Is there a way to have more than one address book?

Is there another help manual or document for PINE?

Is there a way to export and archive an entire folder from PINE or do you
have to do it message by message?

How can you tell when space is a problem, before it happens?

Thanks in Advance,

Jerrold A. Adkins, D.V.M.
jadkins%[email protected]

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Headers (was Re: Rich Header)
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Speaking of headers.

It is now very difficult to save FULL headers to a file. I had to deal
with some spoofed mail and other idiotcies. The only way to fully use
the full headers was to save the message to a folder, and then read that
folder in as a file.

I'd like, if possible, to be able to export full headers to a file if I
am currently viewing them.

Thanks :-)

BTW: A general thanks tl all of you for doing such great work.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
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\/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)

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From: David Brownlee <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Full headers (was Headers)
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As postmaster here it would be *really* useful if people could
forward me a message with full headers (Getting them to export
it to a file then reading in would be ok though)

Another vote for being able to save full headers - somehow!

Thanks
David

[email protected]. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster.
<_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._>
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On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Speaking of headers.
>
> It is now very difficult to save FULL headers to a file. I had to deal
> with some spoofed mail and other idiotcies. The only way to fully use
> the full headers was to save the message to a folder, and then read that
> folder in as a file.
>
> I'd like, if possible, to be able to export full headers to a file if I
> am currently viewing them.
>
> Thanks :-)
>
> BTW: A general thanks tl all of you for doing such great work.
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police"
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>
>

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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
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Greetings:

This is undoubtedly one of the most mail provoking lists I am on.
Protocol on other lists state that questions are posted to the list,
answers are replied to via E-Mail to the author (*not* the list) and then
the person who posted the question posted a summary to the list. Do you
think this would be feasable for the PINE list?

<Please excuse my blatency after having been on the list for but a day or
two ... does the load usually subside and this is just a high-traffic
time or what?>

Enhancement:
When in the "Index" mode ... would it be possible to jump to specific
message numbers by simply typing the number rather than using the
arrow-keys? This is a slow method when our users are using the dial in
lines at 2400 baud (like myself.) I didn't notice an obvious way to do
this in the .pinerc file.

Thanks,
-= Chris =-
[.Sig closed for repair]
([email protected]) ... ([email protected])

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From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: smtp server
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Hello,
I have a binary for SCO that works on Esix, but it won't send
mail. I tried putting an smtp server in the .pinerc file, but it also
gave me an error. Our crappy operating system doesn't use sendmail, so I
thought an smtp server would work. How do I set up an smtp server? Do I
need to do anything special to either the pinerc or my system to have it
act an an smtp server? I really like pine and it is annoying not being
able to use it on my local system. Please help...

Rick Gaine

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From: Elmar Kurgpold <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Headers (was Re: Rich Header)
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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YES, YES, YES! (please :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Elmar Kurgpold, Network Administrator | EMAIL: [email protected] |
| University of Southern California | VOICE: (213) 740-2571 |
| The Law Center | FAX: (213) 740-5502 |
| University Park | "I got the boogie, boogie, |
| Los Angeles, CA 90089-0071 | in my socks!" (Where else?) |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Speaking of headers.
>
> It is now very difficult to save FULL headers to a file. I had to deal
> with some spoofed mail and other idiotcies. The only way to fully use
> the full headers was to save the message to a folder, and then read that
> folder in as a file.
>
> I'd like, if possible, to be able to export full headers to a file if I
> am currently viewing them.
>
> Thanks :-)
>
> BTW: A general thanks tl all of you for doing such great work.
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police"
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: PINE enhancement(s)
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Chris,

Pine-info tends to operate in more of a discussion mode than a gather and
summarize mode. Posting teh reply to the list can also reduce the number
of duplicate responses you recieve as well. The general volume of the
pine-info list is getting pretty high. There was some discussion about
setting up a comp.mail.pine list a few weeks ago, but I have not been
reading news.groups to see if anyone is following through...

You can jump by typing the number if you have enable-jump-shortcut on the
feature-list in your .pinerc file.

Thanks for the comment and question!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> Greetings:
>
> This is undoubtedly one of the most mail provoking lists I am on.
> Protocol on other lists state that questions are posted to the list,
> answers are replied to via E-Mail to the author (*not* the list) and then
> the person who posted the question posted a summary to the list. Do you
> think this would be feasable for the PINE list?
>
> <Please excuse my blatency after having been on the list for but a day or
> two ... does the load usually subside and this is just a high-traffic
> time or what?>
>
> Enhancement:
> When in the "Index" mode ... would it be possible to jump to specific
> message numbers by simply typing the number rather than using the
> arrow-keys? This is a slow method when our users are using the dial in
> lines at 2400 baud (like myself.) I didn't notice an obvious way to do
> this in the .pinerc file.
>
> Thanks,
> -= Chris =-
> [.Sig closed for repair]
> ([email protected]) ... ([email protected])
>

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From: Elmar Kurgpold <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PINE enhancement(s)
To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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I'd say the load is high today, sometimes I don't get anything.

There is a feature called "enable-jump-shortcut" which will allow you to
jump to a message by just typing the number (and pressing Enter). Add
this to your "feature-list=" line.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Elmar Kurgpold, Network Administrator | EMAIL: [email protected] |
| University of Southern California | VOICE: (213) 740-2571 |
| The Law Center | FAX: (213) 740-5502 |
| University Park | "I got the boogie, boogie, |
| Los Angeles, CA 90089-0071 | in my socks!" (Where else?) |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> Greetings:
>
> This is undoubtedly one of the most mail provoking lists I am on.
> Protocol on other lists state that questions are posted to the list,
> answers are replied to via E-Mail to the author (*not* the list) and then
> the person who posted the question posted a summary to the list. Do you
> think this would be feasable for the PINE list?
>
> <Please excuse my blatency after having been on the list for but a day or
> two ... does the load usually subside and this is just a high-traffic
> time or what?>
>
> Enhancement:
> When in the "Index" mode ... would it be possible to jump to specific
> message numbers by simply typing the number rather than using the
> arrow-keys? This is a slow method when our users are using the dial in
> lines at 2400 baud (like myself.) I didn't notice an obvious way to do
> this in the .pinerc file.
>
> Thanks,
> -= Chris =-
> [.Sig closed for repair]
> ([email protected]) ... ([email protected])
>

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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: smtp server
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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It looks like pilot.njin.net is handling mail OK for you, so try setting

smtp-server=pilot.njin.net

in your .pinerc file. If that does not work, run Pine with the "-d9"
command line option, try to send, exit pine, then send a copy of the
pine-debug1 file with a recap of the problem to
[email protected].

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:

>
> Hello,
> I have a binary for SCO that works on Esix, but it won't send
> mail. I tried putting an smtp server in the .pinerc file, but it also
> gave me an error. Our crappy operating system doesn't use sendmail, so I
> thought an smtp server would work. How do I set up an smtp server? Do I
> need to do anything special to either the pinerc or my system to have it
> act an an smtp server? I really like pine and it is annoying not being
> able to use it on my local system. Please help...
>
> Rick Gaine
>
>
>

From [email protected] Tue Apr 5 15:48:12 1994
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Jim Ennis <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: File Size Limit error
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Jim,

Pine does save the message to a temp file which is then passed to
sendmail. Is it possible that the total size of the message is exceeding
the limit? If you set the smtp-server in your .pinerc file, does that
get rid of the problem?

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Jim Ennis wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I am running Pine 3.89 on a SunOS 4.1.3 Sparc 10/41. For some reason,
> all of my users who have the filesize limit set began to get the message
>
> sh: nnnn Exceeded file size limit
>
> when they were sending mail. They are able to create files with pico and
> save them, so I think the problem is between pine and sendmail. Has anyone
> else seen this type of problem? If this is a known problem, what is the fix?
>
> Jim Ennis

From [email protected] Tue Apr 5 18:01:13 1994
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 20:45:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PINE enhancement(s)
To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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I feel that it is a good thing that the mail goes out to the list as well
as the original author. This gives everyone a chance to read more about
pine and problems they may or may not have in the future. I feel that the
list is funning just fine.

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> Greetings:
>
> This is undoubtedly one of the most mail provoking lists I am on.
> Protocol on other lists state that questions are posted to the list,
> answers are replied to via E-Mail to the author (*not* the list) and then
> the person who posted the question posted a summary to the list. Do you
> think this would be feasable for the PINE list?
>
> <Please excuse my blatency after having been on the list for but a day or
> two ... does the load usually subside and this is just a high-traffic
> time or what?>
>
> Enhancement:
> When in the "Index" mode ... would it be possible to jump to specific
> message numbers by simply typing the number rather than using the
> arrow-keys? This is a slow method when our users are using the dial in
> lines at 2400 baud (like myself.) I didn't notice an obvious way to do
> this in the .pinerc file.
>
> Thanks,
> -= Chris =-
> [.Sig closed for repair]
> ([email protected]) ... ([email protected])
>

From [email protected] Tue Apr 5 18:01:14 1994
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 20:48:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: smtp server
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

pilot.njin.net is not the system I am trying to run pine on. I have pine
running on pilot. It is our local system which is an Esix box running
Esix SVR4.0.4.

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> It looks like pilot.njin.net is handling mail OK for you, so try setting
>
> smtp-server=pilot.njin.net
>
> in your .pinerc file. If that does not work, run Pine with the "-d9"
> command line option, try to send, exit pine, then send a copy of the
> .pine-debug1 file with a recap of the problem to
> [email protected].
>
> Thanks for the report!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> > I have a binary for SCO that works on Esix, but it won't send
> > mail. I tried putting an smtp server in the .pinerc file, but it also
> > gave me an error. Our crappy operating system doesn't use sendmail, so I
> > thought an smtp server would work. How do I set up an smtp server? Do I
> > need to do anything special to either the pinerc or my system to have it
> > act an an smtp server? I really like pine and it is annoying not being
> > able to use it on my local system. Please help...
> >
> > Rick Gaine
> >
> >
> >

From [email protected] Tue Apr 5 18:51:53 1994
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From: Omi Chandiramani <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PINE enhancement(s)
To: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
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Chris wrote:

> > This is undoubtedly one of the most mail provoking lists I am on.
> > Protocol on other lists state that questions are posted to the list,
> > answers are replied to via E-Mail to the author (*not* the list) and then
> > the person who posted the question posted a summary to the list. Do you
> > think this would be feasable for the PINE list?

Actually no. Most of the time subscribers to this list are *discussing*
possible enhancements to pine, or *arguing* on optimum ways to use or
configure Pine on various platforms. So the original poster collecting a
summary of responses will not work since there will be no two way
discussion involved.

Also, I wonder how many "original posters" would actually compile a
collection of responses and repost to the list. I agree that a lot of us
would, but then again maybe not.

Omi Chandiramani, happy with the ^^, ^M, ^K sequence but could be happier.
[email protected]

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From: Pierre Roy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PINE enhancement(s)
To: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
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On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:

I feel hat pine should really have a newsgroup....
I will vote for that anytime!

Pierre

> I feel that it is a good thing that the mail goes out to the list as well
> as the original author. This gives everyone a chance to read more about
> pine and problems they may or may not have in the future. I feel that the
> list is funning just fine.

Yep keep it that way...
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:
>
> > Greetings:
> >
> > This is undoubtedly one of the most mail provoking lists I am on.
> > Protocol on other lists state that questions are posted to the list,
> > answers are replied to via E-Mail to the author (*not* the list) and then
> > the person who posted the question posted a summary to the list. Do you
> > think this would be feasable for the PINE list?
> >
> > <Please excuse my blatency after having been on the list for but a day or
> > two ... does the load usually subside and this is just a high-traffic
> > time or what?>
>

Pierre Roy Porretta
Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883
AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480
e-mail:[email protected]
[email protected]

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I finally managed to get pine compiled
(I decided to add the #ifndef's to unistd.h and stdio.h). However, I
noticed something strange: if the global pine.conf file contains either
the last-time-prune-questioned or the last-version-used entry, the
solaris version of pine receives a SIGSEGV and dumps core.

I know that the global configuration file probably shouldn't contain
either of these entries, but our SunOS 4.1.3 binaries work perfectly even
if the entries are there (the same binary runs OK even on Solaris 2.3 in
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this problem. Weird...

/KS

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Hi, everyone!

I just stumbled across mm2.7 on wuarchive and was wondering if
anyone out there could share any hints to compile/configure metamail/MIME
to work with pine and our system: NeXTstep 3.0

Thanks!

Hussain Chinoy

____________________________________________________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
[email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
314.935.4353
Washington University in St. Louis

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Hi!
I was wondering if there was a field (or will be a field) in the
pinerc which specifies a file listing addresses of people whom you DO
NOT want mail from? Sort of a 'call-blocker' for email, if you will?

If this is not a native pine function, is there a script for one of
those mail filters?

Sincerely,

Hussain

____________________________________________________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
[email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
314.935.4353
Washington University in St. Louis

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I noticed someone mentioned mm recently on this list. I know you pine
folks have lots to work on, but I've had more than a few users asks for
better search capabilities, and other mm like features.

I guess what I'm really asking for is all of the capabilities of pine
including imapd (I'm sold on it) + some of the mm capabilities -- when
you guys get around to it

Paul Leo e-mail [email protected]
University of Utah Medical School [email protected]
Eccles Institute of Human Genetics
Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653
Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910

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Paul,

We're working on it! What specifically do you most need from MM?

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Paul G. Leo Jr. wrote:

>
> I noticed someone mentioned mm recently on this list. I know you pine
> folks have lots to work on, but I've had more than a few users asks for
> better search capabilities, and other mm like features.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking for is all of the capabilities of pine
> including imapd (I'm sold on it) + some of the mm capabilities -- when
> you guys get around to it
>
>
> Paul Leo e-mail [email protected]
> University of Utah Medical School [email protected]
> Eccles Institute of Human Genetics
> Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910
>
>

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Hussain,

It is pretty easy to discard undesired mail with any of the mail filters.
Here is a sample line for the "filter" program (from my .filter-rules file):

if (to contains "postmaster" and subject contains "Deferred") then delete

You could also have it execute a script to send a bounce message back to
the sender. The other filter programs have comparable features.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote:

> Hi!
> I was wondering if there was a field (or will be a field) in the
> .pinerc which specifies a file listing addresses of people whom you DO
> NOT want mail from? Sort of a 'call-blocker' for email, if you will?
>
> If this is not a native pine function, is there a script for one of
> those mail filters?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Hussain
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
>
>

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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote:

> Hi!
> I was wondering if there was a field (or will be a field) in the
> .pinerc which specifies a file listing addresses of people whom you DO
> NOT want mail from? Sort of a 'call-blocker' for email, if you will?
>
> If this is not a native pine function, is there a script for one of
> those mail filters?

When using procmail, add the following to your .procmailrc file:

:0
* ^[email protected]
roundfile

Or, you could replace 'roundfile' with /dev/null to really can the email.

>
> Sincerely,
>
> Hussain

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Hussain Chinoy <[email protected]> asked:

> I was wondering if there was a field (or will be a field) in the
> .pinerc which specifies a file listing addresses of people whom you
> DO NOT want mail from?

No.

> If this is not a native pine function, is there a script for one of
> those mail filters?

Sure, in procmail it's as simple as this:

:0hW
| fgrep -s -f killfile

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G. H. Chinoy writes:
> I was wondering if there was a field (or will be a field) in the
> .pinerc which specifies a file listing addresses of people whom you DO
> NOT want mail from? Sort of a 'call-blocker' for email, if you will?

If you use deliver, this is a sample .deliver file:
user="$1"
FROM=`header -f from $HEADER | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`
case "$FROM" in
*user.to.ignore*) echo DROP; exit 0;;
esac
echo "$user"

--
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From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: blocking email reception from certain addresses?
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: "G. H. Chinoy" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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Hi,
What kind of mail filters are you talking about? Where can I get
a mail filter from?

Thanks much,
Rick Gaine

On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Hussain,
>
> It is pretty easy to discard undesired mail with any of the mail filters.
> Here is a sample line for the "filter" program (from my .filter-rules file):
>
> if (to contains "postmaster" and subject contains "Deferred") then delete
>
> You could also have it execute a script to send a bounce message back to
> the sender. The other filter programs have comparable features.
>
> Thanks for the request!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> > I was wondering if there was a field (or will be a field) in the
> > .pinerc which specifies a file listing addresses of people whom you DO
> > NOT want mail from? Sort of a 'call-blocker' for email, if you will?
> >
> > If this is not a native pine function, is there a script for one of
> > those mail filters?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Hussain
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> > G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> > [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> > 314.935.4353
> > Washington University in St. Louis
> >
> >

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From: Andrew Douglas Inman <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine enhancement requests
To: [email protected]
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The three addition's I'd like to see in pine are as follows:

The ability to add additional header lines in when sending mail.

The ability to change your default editor and use it for the headers and
everything.

Built-in pgp support,

I'm sure these aren't as popular as other things, but I thought I'd put
in my two cents worth.

-- Andrew ([email protected])

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In the Main Menu Help, section 6 (of the Table of contents) mentions that

"Pine can usually recognize when it is being used over a low speed
dialup line via a modem. In this case it will show the current
message in the index with a '->' instead of showing it all in
reverse video."

This does not seem to work here, and our best guess at this time is that
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connects to the unix machine via ethernet (which is NOT low speed).

Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?

Thanks,
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Andrew,

The next release of Pine will allow you to configure additional headers
in your .pinerc file.

Allowing the alternate-editor to manipulate the headers is a tough problem
that we are deferring for now. We are improving the way editing the body is
handled though.

There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
comfortable adding PGP support.

Thanks for the suggestions!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Andrew Douglas Inman wrote:

>
> The three addition's I'd like to see in pine are as follows:
>
> The ability to add additional header lines in when sending mail.
>
> The ability to change your default editor and use it for the headers and
> everything.
>
> Built-in pgp support,
>
> I'm sure these aren't as popular as other things, but I thought I'd put
> in my two cents worth.
>
> -- Andrew ([email protected])

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Thomas,

I believe your guess is the correct one. You should be able to execute "stty
1200" or some such before entering Pine to get the low-speed mode. The next
release of Pine will also include an option to force Pine into low-speed
mode.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Thomas E. Rutledge, III wrote:

> In the Main Menu Help, section 6 (of the Table of contents) mentions that
>
> "Pine can usually recognize when it is being used over a low speed
> dialup line via a modem. In this case it will show the current
> message in the index with a '->' instead of showing it all in
> reverse video."
>
> This does not seem to work here, and our best guess at this time is that
> we dial into (Xyplex) terminal servers, and the terminal server then
> connects to the unix machine via ethernet (which is NOT low speed).
>
> Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?
>
> Thanks,
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> U U | Thomas E. Rutledge, III | (919) 962-6501
> U U N N | UNC OIT User Services |
> U U N N N CCCC | CB # 3455 Phillips Hall | INTERNET Mail address:
> UUUU N N N C | Chapel Hill, NC 27599 | [email protected]
> N N C |---------------------------------------------------------
> CCCC | :( "Where ever you go, there you are ..." ):
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Andrew,
[items deleted]
> There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> comfortable adding PGP support.
>
> --DLM
[items deleted]

Perhaps a future version of pine could have appropriate locations
for hooks to various privacy packages to be added by the installer (but
not provided in the distribution). Maybe user installable menu commands
(e.g., Sign Message (specify MIME part number), Encrypt MIME part) would
be possible for the hacker (site implementor?). This doesn't solve all the
legal or political roadblocks, but does put some distance from the problem
and gives some folks a solution. The hooks don't have to be strictly for
PGP, any package would apply. (IMHO, ignorant as it is) -Andy

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Hi

I use multiple incoming folders, (with delivery to them via procmail) and
they are listed in my .pinerc

I find though, that they're displayed in alphabetical order. While this
may be neat and tidy, the high volume folders are at the end, meaning
that I have to TAB through empty folders before reaching the ones I want.

Are there any plans to change this?

Regards,
Kevin

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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 16:25:13 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Andrew Douglas Inman <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Pine enhancement requests
>
>
>The three addition's I'd like to see in pine are as follows:
>
>The ability to add additional header lines in when sending mail.

Yes, a great idea. Would love to be able to automatically insert a
return-reciept-to: line. Many mailers out there can handle the request,
and it would be nice to see this added to pine.

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Kevin,

The next release of Pine will display the incoming folders in .pinerc
order.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Kevin Pinto wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I use multiple incoming folders, (with delivery to them via procmail) and
> they are listed in my .pinerc
>
> I find though, that they're displayed in alphabetical order. While this
> may be neat and tidy, the high volume folders are at the end, meaning
> that I have to TAB through empty folders before reaching the ones I want.
>
> Are there any plans to change this?
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kevin Pinto, Chem Engg, ASU, Tempe, AZ <[email protected]>
> My mailer understands MIME
> "Beware of reading health books; you may die of a misprint" - Mark Twain
> "An armed society is a polite society" - Beyond This Horizon, Robert Heinlein
>

From [email protected] Wed Apr 6 16:19:01 1994
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From: "Timothy F. Lee" <[email protected]>
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To: Roman Czyborra <[email protected]>
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Actually, can't just you use filter command and filter out the mail that you
don't want to /dev/null. In this situation, you aren't getting mail from
anyone that you don't want to. ;)

--Tim

> Hussain Chinoy <[email protected]> asked:
>
> > I was wondering if there was a field (or will be a field) in the
> > .pinerc which specifies a file listing addresses of people whom you
> > DO NOT want mail from?
>
> No.
>
> > If this is not a native pine function, is there a script for one of
> > those mail filters?
>
> Sure, in procmail it's as simple as this:
>
> :0hW
> | fgrep -s -f killfile
>
>

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I just installed pine 3.89 and I don't see a pine.conf in the
distribution anywhere... how do I get one?

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Andrew,

That approach is a possibility, but I think of it as hack to use as a
last resort in case we get desparate. That is unless someone comes up
with a good generic API that everyone can use ;)

Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Andrew B. Sweger wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Andrew,
> [items deleted]
> > There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> > comfortable adding PGP support.
> >
> > --DLM
> [items deleted]
>
> Perhaps a future version of pine could have appropriate locations
> for hooks to various privacy packages to be added by the installer (but
> not provided in the distribution). Maybe user installable menu commands
> (e.g., Sign Message (specify MIME part number), Encrypt MIME part) would
> be possible for the hacker (site implementor?). This doesn't solve all the
> legal or political roadblocks, but does put some distance from the problem
> and gives some folks a solution. The hooks don't have to be strictly for
> PGP, any package would apply. (IMHO, ignorant as it is) -Andy
>
> --
> / Andrew B. Sweger [email protected]
> // Computer Support Manager [email protected]
> \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office)
> // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail)
> / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once.
> ==============================================================================
>
>
>

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Scott,

Run "pine -conf" to generate a template.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Scott D. Yelich wrote:

>
> I just installed pine 3.89 and I don't see a pine.conf in the
> distribution anywhere... how do I get one?
>

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>>>>> "David" == David L Miller <[email protected]> writes:
David> Scott,
David> Run "pine -conf" to generate a template.
David> Thanks for the request!
David> --DLM

ya, I got the -conf outta the tech notes... it was buried!

anyway, I configure BBS systems... and they need to have the full
hostname while all the rest of my hosts have to have just the domain
name (or, if they have the local real host name, the reply system
better do mx lookups).

pine 3.89 is excellent... much better than 3.05

I also installed a new tin-- but now I see that pine can read news as
well. I configure all my clients to do NNTP... so I am going to try
to figure out how to make pine do that.

EXCELLENT WORK PROGRAMMERS

Scott
ps: telnet alife.santafe.edu
pps: I hate elm.

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Hi,
As much as I like to watch and _sometimes_ participate in
discussions on pine, I think there is a NEED for this list to be able to
be distributed in digest format.... please?

I'll assume that another 50% of pine-info subscribers would quote
the above text and write "me too!" down the bottom :)

cheers,

[email protected] \CSIRO Supercomputing Support Group
CSIRO Division of Information Technology\ tel: +61 3 282 2623
723 Swanston St, Carlton 3053 AUSTRALIA \ fax: +61 3 282 2600
I'm pink, therefore I'm spam.

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I'm new to this list so apologise if these questions have been asked and
answered before!

1 Is it possible to delete multiple messages other than by expressly
typing D at each one in the index or when actually reading a message?
2 Is it possible to send a file to someone without actually
needing to go into the pine interface?

***************************************
Colette Monaghan, User Services, Computer Centre, University of
Hertfordshire, Hatfield, Herts., AL10 9AB, United Kingdom
E-mail [email protected]
**************************************

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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Simon McClenahan wrote:

> As much as I like to watch and _sometimes_ participate in
> discussions on pine, I think there is a NEED for this list to be able to
> be distributed in digest format.... please?

I don't agree with you.
There is a lot of traffic, I know, but you and others should
probably try to get a mail filter program like procmail (which I use
too), and seperate Pine-info mail from other mail. At least, that
is what I suspect to be the problem.

> I'll assume that another 50% of pine-info subscribers would quote
> the above text and write "me too!" down the bottom :)

I won't.

Richard.

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From: "W. Holemans" <[email protected]>
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How do you set up news in PC-pine ? Using the same syntax as on our unix
machine keeps giving an error about a \NEWSRC file that couldn't be
created. As unix-pine works ok, i assume that our imapd is ok.

Some examples would be welcome.

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See below.....

Kim-Wah POH Internet : [email protected]
Network Specialist [email protected]
Computer Services Branch Tel. : (65)-4709427
Ministry of Education, Singapore Fax. : (65)-4737513

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550 [email protected]... Host unknown

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I'm using OS/2 TCP/IP as a client to access to some remote TCP/IP host.
How to I print a mail to a locally attached printer (Lpt1) on my OS/2
workstations ?
Is there anything I have to customise on the host pine program or my OS/2
TCP/IP setup ?

Could someone pls advise me ?
Thanks in advance.

Kim-Wah POH Internet : [email protected]
Network Specialist [email protected]
Computer Services Branch Tel. : (65)-4709427
Ministry of Education, Singapore Fax. : (65)-4737513

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From: Michael Wolf <[email protected]>
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Cc: Simon McClenahan <[email protected]>,
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Hello,

I also would not like to get pine-info discussions in digest format only.
Perhaps it could be available in digest format additionally, but not as a
replacement.

Michael

On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Richard Kooijman wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Simon McClenahan wrote:
>
> > As much as I like to watch and _sometimes_ participate in
> > discussions on pine, I think there is a NEED for this list to be able to
> > be distributed in digest format.... please?
>
> I don't agree with you.
>......
>......
>
> > I'll assume that another 50% of pine-info subscribers would quote
> > the above text and write "me too!" down the bottom :)
>
> I won't.
>
>
> Richard.
>

From [email protected] Thu Apr 7 07:43:27 1994
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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:17:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
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Is there a command line option for pine that will forse the arrow rather
then the reverse video??

On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Thomas E. Rutledge, III wrote:

> In the Main Menu Help, section 6 (of the Table of contents) mentions that
>
> "Pine can usually recognize when it is being used over a low speed
> dialup line via a modem. In this case it will show the current
> message in the index with a '->' instead of showing it all in
> reverse video."
>
> This does not seem to work here, and our best guess at this time is that
> we dial into (Xyplex) terminal servers, and the terminal server then
> connects to the unix machine via ethernet (which is NOT low speed).
>
> Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?
>
> Thanks,
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:18:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine enhancement requests
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Hi,
When is the next release of Pine due out?

On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Andrew,
>
> The next release of Pine will allow you to configure additional headers
> in your .pinerc file.
>
> Allowing the alternate-editor to manipulate the headers is a tough problem
> that we are deferring for now. We are improving the way editing the body is
> handled though.
>
> There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> comfortable adding PGP support.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Andrew Douglas Inman wrote:
>
> >
> > The three addition's I'd like to see in pine are as follows:
> >
> > The ability to add additional header lines in when sending mail.
> >
> > The ability to change your default editor and use it for the headers and
> > everything.
> >
> > Built-in pgp support,
> >
> > I'm sure these aren't as popular as other things, but I thought I'd put
> > in my two cents worth.
> >
> > -- Andrew ([email protected])

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Hi,

I've almost(?) got pine 3.89 to work on our system SCO-UNIX. The problem
is I can't get it to understand somethings about our system. I've
attached a debug file (.pine-debug1) that I obtained using "pine -d9".
When I ran pine I got as far as the MAIN MENU of pine and then the system
hangs after giving a "bad system call" message. Any ideas as to what I am
doing wrong, or not doing ?

BTW, bandit is not the system I am trying to set pine up on. I am
setting it up quest which is another system at our college. Maybe quest
needs something to be done on it before I try putting pine on. Will
someone please try sending mail to me at "[email protected]"
in addition to "[email protected]". NOTE: bandit works just
fine to get messages to me, but quest doesn't.

Thanks in advance,

Chris Fullinfaw

[email protected]

(712)274-8733x1291

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Hello,
How do you set up news in general? I realize that is a rather
broad question, but can someone give me a step by step instruction?
Reading news through pine sure would be nice.

Thanks much,
Rick Gaine

On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, W. Holemans wrote:

> How do you set up news in PC-pine ? Using the same syntax as on our unix
> machine keeps giving an error about a \NEWSRC file that couldn't be
> created. As unix-pine works ok, i assume that our imapd is ok.
>
> Some examples would be welcome.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wim Holemans phone + 32 3 820 22 03
> Network/System manager fax + 32 3 820 22 44
> U.I.A.
> e-mail : [email protected]
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Colette,

Unfortunately the answer is no to both of these questions. (1) will be
available in the next release though.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Colette Monaghan wrote:

> I'm new to this list so apologise if these questions have been asked and
> answered before!
>
> 1 Is it possible to delete multiple messages other than by expressly
> typing D at each one in the index or when actually reading a message?
> 2 Is it possible to send a file to someone without actually
> needing to go into the pine interface?
>
> ***************************************
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> E-mail [email protected]
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Wim,

Did you copy your .newsrc file from your Unix account to \NEWSRC on your PC?

--DLM

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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, W. Holemans wrote:

> How do you set up news in PC-pine ? Using the same syntax as on our unix
> machine keeps giving an error about a \NEWSRC file that couldn't be
> created. As unix-pine works ok, i assume that our imapd is ok.
>
> Some examples would be welcome.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wim Holemans phone + 32 3 820 22 03
> Network/System manager fax + 32 3 820 22 44
> U.I.A.
> e-mail : [email protected]
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Hello,
I am trying to get sendmail running on an Intel machine running
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Sorry that this question was not related to pine, but I thought
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Rick Gaine

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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Wim,
>
> Did you copy your .newsrc file from your Unix account to \NEWSRC on your PC?
No, i didn't. I just did so after your message and now it seems to work.
But isn't there a way to use the remote .newsrc file instead of the local
on the PC and update this one just as is done with unix-pine ?

> > --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, W. Holemans wrote:
>
> > How do you set up news in PC-pine ? Using the same syntax as on our unix
> > machine keeps giving an error about a \NEWSRC file that couldn't be
> > created. As unix-pine works ok, i assume that our imapd is ok.
> >
> > Some examples would be welcome.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Wim Holemans phone + 32 3 820 22 03
> > Network/System manager fax + 32 3 820 22 44
> > U.I.A.
> > e-mail : [email protected]
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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U.I.A.
e-mail : [email protected]
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I noticed that when I accidentally hit Ctrl-X Ctrl-S (a'la Emacs) trying
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Sorry, remote .newsrc files are a couple releases away yet...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, W. Holemans wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Wim,
> >
> > Did you copy your .newsrc file from your Unix account to \NEWSRC on your PC?
> No, i didn't. I just did so after your message and now it seems to work.
> But isn't there a way to use the remote .newsrc file instead of the local
> on the PC and update this one just as is done with unix-pine ?
>
> > > --DLM
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, W. Holemans wrote:
> >
> > > How do you set up news in PC-pine ? Using the same syntax as on our unix
> > > machine keeps giving an error about a \NEWSRC file that couldn't be
> > > created. As unix-pine works ok, i assume that our imapd is ok.
> > >
> > > Some examples would be welcome.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Wim Holemans phone + 32 3 820 22 03
> > > Network/System manager fax + 32 3 820 22 44
> > > U.I.A.
> > > e-mail : [email protected]
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> >
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wim Holemans phone + 32 3 820 22 03
> Network/System manager fax + 32 3 820 22 44
> U.I.A.
> e-mail : [email protected]
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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We are hoping for a beta release sometime this spring...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
> When is the next release of Pine due out?
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > The next release of Pine will allow you to configure additional headers
> > in your .pinerc file.
> >
> > Allowing the alternate-editor to manipulate the headers is a tough problem
> > that we are deferring for now. We are improving the way editing the body is
> > handled though.
> >
> > There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> > comfortable adding PGP support.
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions!
> >
> > --DLM
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Andrew Douglas Inman wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The three addition's I'd like to see in pine are as follows:
> > >
> > > The ability to add additional header lines in when sending mail.
> > >
> > > The ability to change your default editor and use it for the headers and
> > > everything.
> > >
> > > Built-in pgp support,
> > >
> > > I'm sure these aren't as popular as other things, but I thought I'd put
> > > in my two cents worth.
> > >
> > > -- Andrew ([email protected])
>
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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[email protected]
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Richard,

Not yet, but the next release will have one.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:

>
> Is there a command line option for pine that will forse the arrow rather
> then the reverse video??
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Thomas E. Rutledge, III wrote:
>
> > In the Main Menu Help, section 6 (of the Table of contents) mentions that
> >
> > "Pine can usually recognize when it is being used over a low speed
> > dialup line via a modem. In this case it will show the current
> > message in the index with a '->' instead of showing it all in
> > reverse video."
> >
> > This does not seem to work here, and our best guess at this time is that
> > we dial into (Xyplex) terminal servers, and the terminal server then
> > connects to the unix machine via ethernet (which is NOT low speed).
> >
> > Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > U U | Thomas E. Rutledge, III | (919) 962-6501
> > U U N N | UNC OIT User Services |
> > U U N N N CCCC | CB # 3455 Phillips Hall | INTERNET Mail address:
> > UUUU N N N C | Chapel Hill, NC 27599 | [email protected]
> > N N C |---------------------------------------------------------
> > CCCC | :( "Where ever you go, there you are ..." ):
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>
>

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I'll bet that the ^S is setting the scroll-lock. The next time it
happens, type ^Q to turn it off.

On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Eugene Tyurin wrote:

>
> I noticed that when I accidentally hit Ctrl-X Ctrl-S (a'la Emacs) trying
> to save file, the whole thing gets hung and I usually end up having to
> kill _both_ pico and shell processes. What can I do about it: is it a bug
> or is there something wrong with me?
>
> -- MIME mail is welcome -- finger for PGP PKB --
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>
>

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Eugene,

Try pressing Ctrl-Q after the Ctrl-S...

--DLM

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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Eugene Tyurin wrote:

>
> I noticed that when I accidentally hit Ctrl-X Ctrl-S (a'la Emacs) trying
> to save file, the whole thing gets hung and I usually end up having to
> kill _both_ pico and shell processes. What can I do about it: is it a bug
> or is there something wrong with me?
>
> -- MIME mail is welcome -- finger for PGP PKB --
> Active Ingredient: Eugene Tyurin <[email protected]>
> http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html
> Bio-degradable, made of 100% recycled substance.
> Handle with care: fragile, toxic and flammable.
>
>
>

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subscribe pine-info

--
Mark Anderson [email protected]

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On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> We are currently working on a winsock-compatible version of Pine. We are
> hoping to have something available for testing this summer.

Any chance we could see the c-client for winsock part of "WinPine" before
then? I'd like to do some development with that (a mail filter, Graphical
client, etc). Have you talked to the ECSmail folks to see if they'd be
willing to let you (i.e us) have that part of their code (since they based
ECSmail on c-client, I believe)?

--Don Loflin,
UT Austin
[email protected]

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Don,

The latest IMAP toolkit includes a winsock port that should mostly work.
It is in mail/imap-3.3.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu. There are a
couple small changes that have not been rolled in yet and it is still
quite experimental, so let us know how it works for you!

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Don Loflin wrote:

>
> On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > We are currently working on a winsock-compatible version of Pine. We are
> > hoping to have something available for testing this summer.
>
> Any chance we could see the c-client for winsock part of "WinPine" before
> then? I'd like to do some development with that (a mail filter, Graphical
> client, etc). Have you talked to the ECSmail folks to see if they'd be
> willing to let you (i.e us) have that part of their code (since they based
> ECSmail on c-client, I believe)?
>
>
> --Don Loflin,
> UT Austin
> [email protected]

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From: "Michael C. Newell" <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Eugene Tyurin wrote:

>
> I noticed that when I accidentally hit Ctrl-X Ctrl-S (a'la Emacs) trying
> to save file, the whole thing gets hung and I usually end up having to
> kill _both_ pico and shell processes. What can I do about it: is it a bug
> or is there something wrong with me?
>

Did you try typing ^Q after the ^S?

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Oh well, :-(
I've got so many replies -- I apologize for my stupidity.
Just never use scroll-lock.

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From: Johnny Nintendo <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Richard Kooijman wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Simon McClenahan wrote:
>
> > As much as I like to watch and _sometimes_ participate in
> > discussions on pine, I think there is a NEED for this list to be able to
> > be distributed in digest format.... please?
>
> I don't agree with you.
> There is a lot of traffic, I know, but you and others should
> probably try to get a mail filter program like procmail (which I use
> too), and seperate Pine-info mail from other mail. At least, that
> is what I suspect to be the problem.

Hello, I am a fair new comer to Internet, would you tell me where can I
gett he filter program like procmail ?

Thanks for your help.
Keep in touch !

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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 12:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
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"W. Holemans" <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> Sorry, remote .newsrc files are a couple releases away yet...

However...

Wim may be thinking about access to new via IMAP.

(Ultra-brief tutorial for news-impoverished Pine enthusiasts follows.)

Two ways to access news via Pine:

1. Via NNTP. Your newsrc file must be on the machine where Pine is running.
pinerc entry: news-collections=News *{news.wherever.edu/nntp}[*]

2. Via IMAP. Your newsrc file must be on the machine where news is stored.
pinerc entry: news-collections=News *{news.wherever.edu}[*]

The advantage of option #2 is that the same .newsrc can be used for both
Unix Pine and PC-Pine. The disadvantage is that you must have an account
on the machine that stores the news and runs the NNTP server.

Caveats:

Pine 3.89 doesn't know how to Post news
Pine 3.89 doesn't know how to subscribe/unsubscribe
(the newsrc must already exist.)

3.90 will have both posting and subscription

As David notes, a version *after* 3.90 will support "location
independence" of support files such as .newsrc, so that you can use the
same .newsrc from multiple platforms, even if you don't have an account on
the news server.

-teg

> On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, W. Holemans wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
> >
> > > Wim,
> > >
> > > Did you copy your .newsrc file from your Unix account to \NEWSRC on your PC?
> > No, i didn't. I just did so after your message and now it seems to work.
> > But isn't there a way to use the remote .newsrc file instead of the local
> > on the PC and update this one just as is done with unix-pine ?
> >
> > > > --DLM
> > >
> > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> > >
> > > On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, W. Holemans wrote:
> > >
> > > > How do you set up news in PC-pine ? Using the same syntax as on our unix
> > > > machine keeps giving an error about a \NEWSRC file that couldn't be
> > > > created. As unix-pine works ok, i assume that our imapd is ok.
> > > >
> > > > Some examples would be welcome.
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Wim Holemans phone + 32 3 820 22 03
> > > > Network/System manager fax + 32 3 820 22 44
> > > > U.I.A.
> > > > e-mail : [email protected]
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Wim Holemans phone + 32 3 820 22 03
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Is there any way to "paste" an address from the list into the text of a
message? Remembring the complete address while paging through the menus
taxes my little grey cells.... especially when it is an arbitrary
collection of characters :-)

Putnam Barber
[email protected]

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>
> On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Daniel P. Joy wrote:
>
> >
> > I have aliased l to be ls -CF. Sometimes when I exit pine I get a directory
> > listing in the format of ls -CF. The history command does not show a ls.
> > Any ideas?
> >

I have finally been able to duplicate this behavior. Sometimes when exiting
I hit "q" and "w" about the same time. This is an operator error caused
by lazy fingers...

This bug (?) only occurs if old-growth or quit-without-confirm is set
in .pinerc.

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Howard Hughes Medical Institute Phone: (214) 648-5034
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Putnam,

Hmmm... you want to take an address from your addressbook and insert it
into the body of a message? Try this little procedure:

1. Move the cursor to the CC line.

2. Enter the nickname or press ^T to search the addressbook and
select the entry.

3. Use ^K to delete that address from the CC line.

4. Move the cursor where you want it in the body of the message.

5. Press ^U to insert the address.

This is kind of a round-about way to get the job done, but it will work...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Putnam Barber wrote:

>
> Is there any way to "paste" an address from the list into the text of a
> message? Remembring the complete address while paging through the menus
> taxes my little grey cells.... especially when it is an arbitrary
> collection of characters :-)
>
> Putnam Barber
> [email protected]

From [email protected] Thu Apr 7 13:51:40 1994
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From: Hussain Chinoy <[email protected]>
Subject: making sure read-messages go into the right place
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Hi, everyone.

We're still using 3.87 on a NeXTstep 3.0 (BSD) system (just in case you
need to know) and I just discovered the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
(or .pinerc) read-message-folder option.

My question is how can you be sure that the read messages are stored
in the users home directory?
When I tried it with this line:

read-message-folder=~$USER/mail/read-messages

Which asks when you quit pine, 'save x messages in [wholepath]' ---
sometimes the whole path is TOO LARGE for the screen and I thought people
might get confused if they just saw:
'save x messages in /Students/c/ghchinoy/mai ?'

Alternately, I tried this pine-conf line:

read-message-folder=mail/read-messages

Which asks when you quit pine, 'save x messages in mail/read-messages ?'
Does this mean that if you had changed your current working
directory to something else, say /, before invoking pine you'd save all
your messages to /mail/read-messages instead of the correct
~user/mail/read-messages?

I'm a bit confused about where this mail'd go.

Thanks for any of your help,

Hussain Chinoy

____________________________________________________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
[email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
314.935.4353
Washington University in St. Louis

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Hussain,

Pine *never* looks at the "current" directory. There will be an option
in Pine 3.90 that will allow it for export and read operations, but not
for folders.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Hussain Chinoy wrote:

> Hi, everyone.
>
> We're still using 3.87 on a NeXTstep 3.0 (BSD) system (just in case you
> need to know) and I just discovered the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf
> (or .pinerc) read-message-folder option.
>
> My question is how can you be sure that the read messages are stored
> in the users home directory?
> When I tried it with this line:
>
> read-message-folder=~$USER/mail/read-messages
>
> Which asks when you quit pine, 'save x messages in [wholepath]' ---
> sometimes the whole path is TOO LARGE for the screen and I thought people
> might get confused if they just saw:
> 'save x messages in /Students/c/ghchinoy/mai ?'
>
> Alternately, I tried this pine-conf line:
>
> read-message-folder=mail/read-messages
>
> Which asks when you quit pine, 'save x messages in mail/read-messages ?'
> Does this mean that if you had changed your current working
> directory to something else, say /, before invoking pine you'd save all
> your messages to /mail/read-messages instead of the correct
> ~user/mail/read-messages?
>
> I'm a bit confused about where this mail'd go.
>
> Thanks for any of your help,
>
> Hussain Chinoy
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
>
>

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Subject: Re: problem with setting up pine on SCO-UNIX
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Chris,

The .pine-debug1 file you attached was at the default debug level (2) and
does not show anything out of the ordinary. I have never seen the code
for the SCO port that is floating around, so I don't know what it might
be doing unusual. Did it produce a "core" file when it crashed? If so,
do you have a symbolic debugger you can get a stack trace with?

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 7 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've almost(?) got pine 3.89 to work on our system SCO-UNIX. The problem
> is I can't get it to understand somethings about our system. I've
> attached a debug file (.pine-debug1) that I obtained using "pine -d9".
> When I ran pine I got as far as the MAIN MENU of pine and then the system
> hangs after giving a "bad system call" message. Any ideas as to what I am
> doing wrong, or not doing ?
>
> BTW, bandit is not the system I am trying to set pine up on. I am
> setting it up quest which is another system at our college. Maybe quest
> needs something to be done on it before I try putting pine on. Will
> someone please try sending mail to me at "[email protected]"
> in addition to "[email protected]". NOTE: bandit works just
> fine to get messages to me, but quest doesn't.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris Fullinfaw
>
> [email protected]
>
> (712)274-8733x1291
>
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I know there is a flag you can give to cause pine not to generate the
debug files, but is there a compilation time option you can set to
prevent this?

We've got tons of users wasting disk space generating debug files that
will never get used.

_O_ Ryan L. Watkins e-mail: [email protected]
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Two small comments...

It would be nice to be able to execute pine in shell scripts (so
I can automatically mail people files using my pine addressbook aliases,
and including my .sig) with the command 'pine spod < file'. Can you add
this to the infamous to-do list ? Puh-lease ?
The second thing, could the aforementioned to-do list be posted to
the maillist at intervals ? This may stop the barrage of requests for the
same feature...

N.

.-----------------------[ [email protected] ]-----------------------.
|'Bloody instructions which, being learned, return to plague the inventor' |
| -Shakespeare, on debugging |
| |
| Norman R. McBride - Computer officer, CUBS |
` '

On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Colette,
>
> Unfortunately the answer is no to both of these questions. (1) will be
> available in the next release though.
>
> Thanks for the request!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Colette Monaghan wrote:
>
> > I'm new to this list so apologise if these questions have been asked and
> > answered before!
> >
> > 1 Is it possible to delete multiple messages other than by expressly
> > typing D at each one in the index or when actually reading a message?
> > 2 Is it possible to send a file to someone without actually
> > needing to go into the pine interface?
> >
> > ***************************************
> > Colette Monaghan, User Services, Computer Centre, University of
> > Hertfordshire, Hatfield, Herts., AL10 9AB, United Kingdom
> > E-mail [email protected]
> > **************************************
> >
> >
>

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Ryan,

You can turn off debugging completely by removing the DEBUG definition in the
makefiles. Note that this will completely eliminate debugging...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, VampLestat wrote:

>
> I know there is a flag you can give to cause pine not to generate the
> debug files, but is there a compilation time option you can set to
> prevent this?
>
> We've got tons of users wasting disk space generating debug files that
> will never get used.
>
> _O_ Ryan L. Watkins e-mail: [email protected]
> | Academic Computing Services url : http://www.acs.csulb.edu/~vamp/
> | CSU Long Beach - Network Support pgpkey: finger [email protected]
>

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Norman,

"execute pine in shell scripts" is definitely on the long-list. One of the
ways we determine the priority of items on the list is how often they are
mentioned. If we posted the list, that feedback might not come in...

Thanks for the suggestions!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Fri, 8 Apr 1994, Norman R. McBride wrote:

> Two small comments...
>
> It would be nice to be able to execute pine in shell scripts (so
> I can automatically mail people files using my pine addressbook aliases,
> and including my .sig) with the command 'pine spod < file'. Can you add
> this to the infamous to-do list ? Puh-lease ?
> The second thing, could the aforementioned to-do list be posted to
> the maillist at intervals ? This may stop the barrage of requests for the
> same feature...
>
> N.
>
> .-----------------------[ [email protected] ]-----------------------.
> |'Bloody instructions which, being learned, return to plague the inventor' |
> | -Shakespeare, on debugging |
> | |
> | Norman R. McBride - Computer officer, CUBS |
> ` '
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Colette,
> >
> > Unfortunately the answer is no to both of these questions. (1) will be
> > available in the next release though.
> >
> > Thanks for the request!
> >
> > --DLM
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Colette Monaghan wrote:
> >
> > > I'm new to this list so apologise if these questions have been asked and
> > > answered before!
> > >
> > > 1 Is it possible to delete multiple messages other than by expressly
> > > typing D at each one in the index or when actually reading a message?
> > > 2 Is it possible to send a file to someone without actually
> > > needing to go into the pine interface?
> > >
> > > ***************************************
> > > Colette Monaghan, User Services, Computer Centre, University of
> > > Hertfordshire, Hatfield, Herts., AL10 9AB, United Kingdom
> > > E-mail [email protected]
> > > **************************************
> > >
> > >
> >

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Hussain,

The next release of Pine will contain a significant portion of metamail and
will run on NeXTstep. Inquire on the [email protected] mailing list (aka
newsgroup comp.mail.mime) for more information on metamail itself.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote:

> Hi, everyone!
>
> I just stumbled across mm2.7 on wuarchive and was wondering if
> anyone out there could share any hints to compile/configure metamail/MIME
> to work with pine and our system: NeXTstep 3.0
>
> Thanks!
>
> Hussain Chinoy
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
>
>

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--YY

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I just tried using a remote directory for the postponed mail folder and
Pine seemed to insist that this be a local directory. It'd be nice to
have this available through IMAP just like the other mail folders.

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Request:
I finally got pine running on my Esix SVR4 machine. Is it
possibal that the next release be portable to SVR4 easier then the past
releases have been????? That would be such a big help. It just isn't
fair to us pore soals that are stuck on SVR4.

Rick Gaine

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How about it? This would be similar to the -z flag in elm. Right now I
have a shell script which does the same but it would be much cooler to
just have to type..

pine -x

or something similar. Anybody else support this idea?

Omi Chandiramani
[email protected]

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Richard,

We are always interested in making Pine more portable. Could you send us
diffs of the changes you made to get it working on your system?

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 8 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:

>
> Request:
> I finally got pine running on my Esix SVR4 machine. Is it
> possibal that the next release be portable to SVR4 easier then the past
> releases have been????? That would be such a big help. It just isn't
> fair to us pore soals that are stuck on SVR4.
>
> Rick Gaine
>
>
>

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From: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
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Greetings:-

Although my efforts to get PC-Pine running via SLIP have been unsuccessful
to date, I have been using PC-Pine via PPP for a few days now. I think
it's pretty incredible that my very modest 286 equipped with a high-speed
modem, allows me to run the Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) packet driver,
and thus become and Internet node and run PC-Pine!

My only problem seems to be that I keep running out of memory on my 286!
I assume that PC-Pine runs in conventional memory, and is thus limited by
the famous 640K MS-DOS barrier. I've killed all unecessary TSRs, but there
are still problems. In prticular, I've found that I can reply to a first
message, but that replying to a second one usually results in not enough
memory errors.

I would like to know how much memory PC-Pine requires, and if there are
any other suggestions for reducing memory demands when PC-Pine is
operating ...

Thx,

Ian.

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On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
> >
> > Enhancement:
> > When in the "Index" mode ... would it be possible to jump to specific
> > message numbers by simply typing the number rather than using the
> > arrow-keys? This is a slow method when our users are using the dial in
> > lines at 2400 baud (like myself.) I didn't notice an obvious way to do
> > this in the .pinerc file.
>
> You can jump by typing the number if you have enable-jump-shortcut on the
> feature-list in your .pinerc file.

And even if you don't have enable-jump-shortcut in the features list, you
can just type 'j' followed by the number, rather than use the arrow keys.

Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
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but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/

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From: Putnam Barber <[email protected]>
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Two things I'd like to be able to do:

1. Jump directly into the (and out of) the header area to make
adjustments while composing text. What I do now is page to the top and
then use ^P. I'd be happy to learn an easier way.

2. Jump directly to the top (or bottom) of the text without repetitive
use of ^Y or ^V. That would help with wish #1, of course, but it would
be useful for many other purposes. Workarounds: at the end, ^W for some
arbitrary character likely to be in the first line (an "a"). Search
wraps and deposits you there. Or ^O to postpone and then C to resume,
which also starts you over at the top. Any way to get to the bottom?

Thank you considering these wishes.

Putnam Barber
Seattle

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Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 18:14:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cory Tsang <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine port to Solaris?
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I'm looking for a pine port for Solaris 2.x (2.3 is preferred). I don't
have access to the motif libraries, so I can't compile it for myself. (If
I remember correctly, you need motif to compile pine).

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Cory

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cory Tsang
Programmer/Analyst Office: (305) 348-2739
School of Computer Science, MS ECS354 Fax : (305) 348-3549
Florida International University 9:30 am - 1:30 pm M-F
Miami, FL 33199

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From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine port to Solaris?
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Hi,
What is this about needing motif to compile pine? Is this true?
I have never heard of this and I was just wondering.

Rick Gaine

On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Cory Tsang wrote:

>
> I'm looking for a pine port for Solaris 2.x (2.3 is preferred). I don't
> have access to the motif libraries, so I can't compile it for myself. (If
> I remember correctly, you need motif to compile pine).
>
> Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Cory
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Cory Tsang
> Programmer/Analyst Office: (305) 348-2739
> School of Computer Science, MS ECS354 Fax : (305) 348-3549
> Florida International University 9:30 am - 1:30 pm M-F
> Miami, FL 33199
>
>

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> What is this about needing motif to compile pine? Is this true?

Nope; not true.

(A Pine supporter at Nokia is working on a Motif version, but the
"standard" Pine is a character-based application that does not use Motif.
Some of us run it from within xterm windows under the Motif Window
Manager, but Pine itself knows nothing about GUIs.)

-teg

> On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Cory Tsang wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm looking for a pine port for Solaris 2.x (2.3 is preferred). I don't
> > have access to the motif libraries, so I can't compile it for myself. (If
> > I remember correctly, you need motif to compile pine).
> >
> > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Cory
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Cory Tsang
> > Programmer/Analyst Office: (305) 348-2739
> > School of Computer Science, MS ECS354 Fax : (305) 348-3549
> > Florida International University 9:30 am - 1:30 pm M-F
> > Miami, FL 33199
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 23:28:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
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I'm not sure why Pine would require Motif as it is (at present at least) a
text-based mail user agent.

I have built Pine successfully under Solaris 2.3 using the `Solaris
port', i.e.

build sol

Ian.

On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:

> What is this about needing motif to compile pine? Is this true?
> I have never heard of this and I was just wondering.
>
> Rick Gaine
>
> On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Cory Tsang wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm looking for a pine port for Solaris 2.x (2.3 is preferred). I don't
> > have access to the motif libraries, so I can't compile it for myself. (If
> > I remember correctly, you need motif to compile pine).
> >
> > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Cory
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Cory Tsang
> > Programmer/Analyst Office: (305) 348-2739
> > School of Computer Science, MS ECS354 Fax : (305) 348-3549
> > Florida International University 9:30 am - 1:30 pm M-F
> > Miami, FL 33199
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Cory Tsang wrote:

> I'm looking for a pine port for Solaris 2.x (2.3 is preferred). I don't
> have access to the motif libraries, so I can't compile it for myself. (If
> I remember correctly, you need motif to compile pine).

First, you remember *incorrectly*. You don't need motif or anything
else X to complie pine.

Second, I've not tried it since I don't have Solaris, it has been
suggested that "Add -Dconst= to the CFLAGS for makefile.sol in the pine
subdirectory."

Regards,

Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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From: John Lamp <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PC-Pine via PPP
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Ian,

I run a waffle site, and memory errors can be a problem with that too.
There is a utility called shroom (SHROOM2D.ZIP I think) which writes out
the conventional memory to disk before spawning a new process, and reloads
it on the way back in. This may assist you, if PC-PINE does the same sort
of spawning - many such mailers do. Using shroom, you can get waffle to
run on an XT!

Cheers
John

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On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Ian Lumb wrote:

> My only problem seems to be that I keep running out of memory on my 286!
> I assume that PC-Pine runs in conventional memory, and is thus limited by
> the famous 640K MS-DOS barrier. I've killed all unecessary TSRs, but there
> are still problems. In prticular, I've found that I can reply to a first
> message, but that replying to a second one usually results in not enough
> memory errors.

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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 00:18:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
Subject: Multiple Folders enhancement requests
To: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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Could you implement the following enhancements for the multiple mail folders:

Notification when mail shows up in other folders

Have TAB step through each new message instead of jumping immediately to
the next one

Have TAB mark the messages it steps through as deleted, and have the user
hit u for the messages they want to keep. (This would help immensely for
100 mesg/day mailing lists)

Have TAB skip inboxes with no messages in them.

Have Julia Roberts take some whipped cream and.. Whoops, wrong list.. =)
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On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Matt Simmons wrote:

> Have TAB mark the messages it steps through as deleted, and have the user
> hit u for the messages they want to keep. (This would help immensely for
> 100 mesg/day mailing lists)

Or ... subscribe to mailing lists in a DIGEST FORMAT ... unlike this one!

> Have Julia Roberts take some whipped cream and.. Whoops, wrong list.. =)

She wouldn't have time to do anything with foodstuffs if she subscribed
to a mailing list that had lots and lots of messages per day and had no
DIGEST FORMAT subscription.

:)

cheers,

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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Thomas E. Rutledge, III wrote:

> In the Main Menu Help, section 6 (of the Table of contents) mentions that
>
> "Pine can usually recognize when it is being used over a low speed
> dialup line via a modem. In this case it will show the current
> message in the index with a '->' instead of showing it all in
> reverse video."
>
> This does not seem to work here, and our best guess at this time is that
> we dial into (Xyplex) terminal servers, and the terminal server then
> connects to the unix machine via ethernet (which is NOT low speed).
>
> Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?

I've noticed similar with modems - the interface to the modem is probably
running at a fixed high baud rate, even if the data rate is low.

Another way to set the '->' mode, or an option to set it as default may
be a good thing.

Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
"Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/

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From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
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You can probably fix this with the command "stty 1200" to tell the unix
system you are at a low speed. Since it communicates using TCP/IP (or
whatever) it doesn't know the speed automatically.

There will be an option to force low speed behavior in the next version.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

On Sat, 9 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Thomas E. Rutledge, III wrote:
>
> > In the Main Menu Help, section 6 (of the Table of contents) mentions that
> >
> > "Pine can usually recognize when it is being used over a low speed
> > dialup line via a modem. In this case it will show the current
> > message in the index with a '->' instead of showing it all in
> > reverse video."
> >
> > This does not seem to work here, and our best guess at this time is that
> > we dial into (Xyplex) terminal servers, and the terminal server then
> > connects to the unix machine via ethernet (which is NOT low speed).
> >
> > Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?
>
> I've noticed similar with modems - the interface to the modem is probably
> running at a fixed high baud rate, even if the data rate is low.
>
> Another way to set the '->' mode, or an option to set it as default may
> be a good thing.
>
> Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
> "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
> but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/
>
>

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I recently used "Take Address" to add a name like "Thomas J. Watson, Jr."
<[email protected]> to my pine address book (without difficulty).

When I grabbed this address into the To: field while composing, pine split
the field into two "addresses" at the comma. The mail showed up in my
inbox as "undeliverable" To: [email protected] ('cause I didn't
pay attention to the brief <bell> that happened as I exited the To:
field and there's no local user here with the name "Thomas" -- if there
were, he would of course have gotten a strange piece of mail and I might
never have known something was amiss).

After a while I sorted this out, and have now taken the comma out of the
entry in the address book. So there's no immediate need for help on this
particular problem. But the situation seems clumsy. If commas are going
to produce that sort of result, then there should be a more emphatic way
of preventing them from being inadvertantly included within the ""s.

Putnam Barber
Seattle

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Subject: deleting multiple messages

>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>From: David L Miller <[email protected]>

>"execute pine in shell scripts" is definitely on the long-list. One of the
>ways we determine the priority of items on the list is how often they are
>mentioned. If we posted the list, that feedback might not come in...

Is this a good algorithm? People on the list who have seen one thing
requested in the last X months, will they request it again?

I suspect the algorithm will make newcomer's wishes carry more weight
than they should.

I might be wrong.

(Just for the sake of it, I'll mention RFC 1522 again :-)

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Hello! How can one tell which newsgroups are available on a news host using
Pine? I don't think it has newsgroup subscription support yet. Is the
"Spring" version of Pine going to have subscription support? What's the
best workaround now? Copy the entire list of newsgroups to each person's
account?

Also, will the next version allow one to post an article to a newsgroup?
Will that be through NNTP, through SMTP (e.g., ZMailer), or something else?

Many thanks.

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On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Matt Simmons wrote:

> Could you implement the following enhancements for the multiple mail folders:
>
[...]

>
> Have TAB skip inboxes with no messages in them.
>

I second this.

Regards,
Kevin

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On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote:

>
> >Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
>
> >"execute pine in shell scripts" is definitely on the long-list. One of the
> >ways we determine the priority of items on the list is how often they are
> >mentioned. If we posted the list, that feedback might not come in...
>

Just to be on the safe side, can I second the wish?

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 13:06:32 +0300 (EETDST)
From: Ian Leiman <[email protected]>
Subject: SPRUCE status report (Re: Pine Motif)
To: Michael Stokes <[email protected]>
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On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Michael Stokes wrote:
>
> Just checking to see how the work is progressing. I poked around on cac
> and didn't see anything that looked like it had MOTIF in it. Could you give
> me a status report?

I just returned from a long vacation and looks like there's a pile of
work waiting to be done...

The 'Pine Motif' program will be named SPRUCE to avoid confusion and
it will actually look quite different from PINE anyway. I will post
status reports of the SPRUCE project here and keep online documentation
in the World Wide Web. Look for this URL:

http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/Spruce/Spruce.html

The document is still under construction. It is formatted for Mosaic
and will include graphics eventually.

If you don't have a clue what is WWW and an URL, better find out soon...

STATUS REPORT:

Before I left for vacation I was working on the message sending part
and should get message send to work within few hours of work as soon
as I can allocate those hours. This part has required a lot of work,
as I will have to do lot of changes.

Some additional code to allow addressbook updating and manipulating
folders and folder collections will bring SPRUCE up to PINE functionality.

Then I need to add a simple on-line help and documentation. Then I think
it makes sense to release it. SPRUCE project runs at a low priority so
it is difficult to estimate a date. Before May, I hope??
Like all software projects, this one runs behind its schedule too...

Some people have already volunteered to test and possibly port SPRUCE
onto other platforms than my own HP730. More volunteers are welcome.

A binary executable for HP73x running HP/UX 9.01 is available for
evaluation.

--
Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764
[email protected]
homepage: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html

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What is the statis of security on PC-pine. In particular, is anything
planned for development that will prevent a user from walking up to a PC,
running PC-pine and sending mail as the user logged into the PC?

Or, what are other sites doing to help prevent or curb this possibility?

Lisa Frye [email protected]
Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634

"You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."

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Why, when I log into PC-pine and mis-type my password, do I get the
message "Preserve password on DISK for next login?". What does this
message mean?

Lisa Frye [email protected]
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Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634

"You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."

From [email protected] Mon Apr 11 14:07:20 1994
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From: Cory Tsang <[email protected]>
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Thanks for all the responses. Sorry for wasting your time. I could have
sworn, though, that when I was reading the docs for pine a few months
back, I saw mention that it required Motif and that is why I laid off the
compile to do other things. Obviously I remember incorrectly.

Thanks again,
Cory

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
Cc: PINE INFO <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PC-Pine via PPP
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Ian,

The minimum free memory for PC-Pine is about 500k. Below that and you
are pretty much out of luck. More will be used if available (within the
infamous 640k boundaries). There are also memory fragmentation problems
that will gradually eat away at the useable memory, so you may need to
restart Pine periodically. It should be able to handle more than one
reply before running out though ;)

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Ian Lumb wrote:

> Greetings:-
>
> Although my efforts to get PC-Pine running via SLIP have been unsuccessful
> to date, I have been using PC-Pine via PPP for a few days now. I think
> it's pretty incredible that my very modest 286 equipped with a high-speed
> modem, allows me to run the Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) packet driver,
> and thus become and Internet node and run PC-Pine!
>
> My only problem seems to be that I keep running out of memory on my 286!
> I assume that PC-Pine runs in conventional memory, and is thus limited by
> the famous 640K MS-DOS barrier. I've killed all unecessary TSRs, but there
> are still problems. In prticular, I've found that I can reply to a first
> message, but that replying to a second one usually results in not enough
> memory errors.
>
> I would like to know how much memory PC-Pine requires, and if there are
> any other suggestions for reducing memory demands when PC-Pine is
> operating ...
>
> Thx,
>
> Ian.
>
> --
> Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
> Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
> North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA
> Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 15:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Putnam Barber <[email protected]>
Cc: PINE mailing list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Enhancement request...or how-to?
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Putnam,

In Pine 3.90, ^Y and ^V will take you into and out of the header, ^W^V
will "search for end" and ^W^Y will "search for top".

Thanks for the suggestions!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Sat, 9 Apr 1994, Putnam Barber wrote:

>
> Two things I'd like to be able to do:
>
> 1. Jump directly into the (and out of) the header area to make
> adjustments while composing text. What I do now is page to the top and
> then use ^P. I'd be happy to learn an easier way.
>
> 2. Jump directly to the top (or bottom) of the text without repetitive
> use of ^Y or ^V. That would help with wish #1, of course, but it would
> be useful for many other purposes. Workarounds: at the end, ^W for some
> arbitrary character likely to be in the first line (an "a"). Search
> wraps and deposits you there. Or ^O to postpone and then C to resume,
> which also starts you over at the top. Any way to get to the bottom?
>
> Thank you considering these wishes.
>
> Putnam Barber
> Seattle

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Subject: Re: Multiple Folders enhancement requests
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On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Matt Simmons wrote:

> Could you implement the following enhancements for the multiple mail folders:
>
> Notification when mail shows up in other folders
>

We are trying to come up with a way to do this for the incoming-folders
collection without being an inordinate resource hog. There is a glimmer
of hope on the horizon, but it is not quite here yet.

> Have TAB step through each new message instead of jumping immediately to
> the next one
>

I must be missing something here. Could you restate this point?

> Have TAB mark the messages it steps through as deleted, and have the user
> hit u for the messages they want to keep. (This would help immensely for
> 100 mesg/day mailing lists)
>

I'll add this to the requested enhancement list.

> Have TAB skip inboxes with no messages in them.
>

This ties in with your first request. Both of these will be easy when
the driver-level issues get ironed out.

> Have Julia Roberts take some whipped cream and.. Whoops, wrong list.. =)

Hmmm... :)

> _________
> |_ __ \ U R D U E U N I V E R S I T Y Womens 94 NCAA Final Four
> | |__| | Currently: [email protected] Bradley University
> | ____/ [email protected] Peoria, Illinois
> | | Spring 94 - Soph by years, Junior by credits
> _| |_ Fall 94 - Junior by years, Soph by credits - Only Purdue makes
> |______| U R D U E U N I V E R S I T Y it possible
>

Thanks for the suggestions!

--DLM

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How to subscribe to newsgroups with Pine
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Shahjehan,

The "spring" release of Pine will include subscription and posting via NNTP.
Currently the best work-around is to use trn, tin, nn, etc for
subscription/posting.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Shahjehan Khatri wrote:

> Hello! How can one tell which newsgroups are available on a news host using
> Pine? I don't think it has newsgroup subscription support yet. Is the
> "Spring" version of Pine going to have subscription support? What's the
> best workaround now? Copy the entire list of newsgroups to each person's
> account?
>
> Also, will the next version allow one to post an article to a newsgroup?
> Will that be through NNTP, through SMTP (e.g., ZMailer), or something else?
>
> Many thanks.
>
>

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Send a message to [email protected] with "unsubscribe pine-info"
in the body of the message.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Martin Zhang wrote:

>
> Sorry, I deleted the information about how to unsubscribe this
> group. I will appreciate it if some one can forward me the
> information.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Martin
>

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On Mon, 11 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
> We are trying to come up with a way to do this for the incoming-folders
> collection without being an inordinate resource hog. There is a glimmer
> of hope on the horizon, but it is not quite here yet.
Perhaps you could let the user specify which folders to monitor? Since
you've jumped to 3 minutes, this shouldn't suck too much time...

> > Have TAB step through each new message instead of jumping immediately to
> > the next one
> I must be missing something here. Could you restate this point?
Have TAB function like the space bar, paging through the message, and
jumping to the next unread one when it hits the end of the one its on.

> > Have Julia Roberts take some whipped cream and.. Whoops, wrong list.. =)
> Hmmm... :)
Is that a Hmmm... maybe I'll let you have her when I'm done.. ?=)

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On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Steve Hubert wrote:

> You can probably fix this with the command "stty 1200" to tell the unix
> system you are at a low speed. Since it communicates using TCP/IP (or
> whatever) it doesn't know the speed automatically.

Well, no. If one is dialing in on a modem which is locked to a high rate
on the host computer interface end, the host *cannot* tell what speed the
modems are running at, and "stty 1200" will block all communication.

So the coming option will be welcome.

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but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/

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Subject: Yet another request
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Please oh please kill the delays between the messages! It is
particularly annoying when you switch folders, and have to wait 20
seconds for the status messages to catch up so you can read the stuff in
the box.

Also, switching folders via TAB is inconsistent... When switching from any
folder other than INBOX to another folder (this time it could be INBOX),
you are asked if you want to delete messages tagged for deletion.
However, when you switch from INBOX to another folder, you are not asked,
and deleted messages are not deleted.. could this be fixed?

Idea for the resource hogging inbox checking: Put a flag in the system
wide pine configuration so the sysadmins can determine whether they want
the users to suck up time polling multiple inboxes... Though isn't
checking for new mail trivial, as all you have to do is keep track of the
times (or sizes) on each one, and then checking the full box only when
the size changes?

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| | Spring 94 - Soph by years, Junior by credits
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Right, but I think that a majority of dialin users nowdays come in
through a terminal server which is then connected to the host through
something like telnet or rlogin. In that case, there is no "speed" of
the telnet connection, so you can set it to whatever you want. If your
modem is hardwired to the host computer, you're stuck for now. (And, of
course, the option should be more convenient than typing stty commands, too.)

Steve

On Sun, 10 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

>
> On Sun, 10 Apr 1994, Steve Hubert wrote:
>
> > You can probably fix this with the command "stty 1200" to tell the unix
> > system you are at a low speed. Since it communicates using TCP/IP (or
> > whatever) it doesn't know the speed automatically.
>
> Well, no. If one is dialing in on a modem which is locked to a high rate
> on the host computer interface end, the host *cannot* tell what speed the
> modems are running at, and "stty 1200" will block all communication.
>
> So the coming option will be welcome.
>
> Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
> "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
> but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/
>
>

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subscribe me

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See below...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Matt Simmons wrote:

> Please oh please kill the delays between the messages! It is
> particularly annoying when you switch folders, and have to wait 20
> seconds for the status messages to catch up so you can read the stuff in
> the box.
>

We *do* need to work on the message generation code. Thanks for prodding us
to work on it ;)

> Also, switching folders via TAB is inconsistent... When switching from any
> folder other than INBOX to another folder (this time it could be INBOX),
> you are asked if you want to delete messages tagged for deletion.
> However, when you switch from INBOX to another folder, you are not asked,
> and deleted messages are not deleted.. could this be fixed?
>

This is because the INBOX is not closed when you leave it. All other folders
are closed when you leave them for another folder. Admittedly that technique
does lead to some consistency problems...

> Idea for the resource hogging inbox checking: Put a flag in the system
> wide pine configuration so the sysadmins can determine whether they want
> the users to suck up time polling multiple inboxes... Though isn't
> checking for new mail trivial, as all you have to do is keep track of the
> times (or sizes) on each one, and then checking the full box only when
> the size changes?
>

Currently, Pine does not have a mechanism to make that simple of a check.
The current new-mail-check code actually parses the new messages which is
much more time consuming. We have made a request for a fast-check c-client
routine, but I don't think it is ready yet....

> _________
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> | |__| | Currently: [email protected] Bradley University
> | ____/ [email protected] Peoria, Illinois
> | | Spring 94 - Soph by years, Junior by credits
> _| |_ Fall 94 - Junior by years, Soph by credits - Only Purdue makes
> |______| U R D U E U N I V E R S I T Y it possible
>

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine and News
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For some reason, when I first subscribed to this list, and when I
compiled pine on my system and first started to play with it, I got the
understanding that pine did News stuff. Don't remember exactly what it
was that gave me that impression, but I do remember that people have
talked a bit about it. I can't seem to find any feature in pine 3.89
which points toward an ability to read and post news. Please let me know
if this is a future enhancement, or if there's something I'm totally
overlooking...

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine enhancement requests
To: "Andrew B. Sweger" <[email protected]>
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This is a great idea. Then, also, if any of those hackers do come up
with some good code that they would be willing to share, they could
submit that to the pine crew as part of the next release. That way, pine
people don't have to do it all...

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! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Andrew B. Sweger wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Andrew,
> [items deleted]
> > There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> > comfortable adding PGP support.
> >
> > --DLM
> [items deleted]
>
> Perhaps a future version of pine could have appropriate locations
> for hooks to various privacy packages to be added by the installer (but
> not provided in the distribution). Maybe user installable menu commands
> (e.g., Sign Message (specify MIME part number), Encrypt MIME part) would
> be possible for the hacker (site implementor?). This doesn't solve all the
> legal or political roadblocks, but does put some distance from the problem
> and gives some folks a solution. The hooks don't have to be strictly for
> PGP, any package would apply. (IMHO, ignorant as it is) -Andy
>
> --
> / Andrew B. Sweger [email protected]
> // Computer Support Manager [email protected]
> \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office)
> // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail)
> / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once.
> ==============================================================================
>
>
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Pine and News
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Bruce,

Pine 3.89 has very limited *read-only* news support. You can eneble this by
setting the "news-collections" variable in your .pinerc file to point to your
news server. You will also need a .newsrc file generated by some other
newsreader...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> For some reason, when I first subscribed to this list, and when I
> compiled pine on my system and first started to play with it, I got the
> understanding that pine did News stuff. Don't remember exactly what it
> was that gave me that impression, but I do remember that people have
> talked a bit about it. I can't seem to find any feature in pine 3.89
> which points toward an ability to read and post news. Please let me know
> if this is a future enhancement, or if there's something I'm totally
> overlooking...
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
> ****************************************************************************
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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[email protected], Andrew Douglas Inman <[email protected]>
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Bruce,

Unfortunately the contributed code has to get past the same roadblocks as any
code we would write. We have already been offered a couple PGP patches for
Pine, but we cannot do anything with them until the legal dust settles :(

Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> This is a great idea. Then, also, if any of those hackers do come up
> with some good code that they would be willing to share, they could
> submit that to the pine crew as part of the next release. That way, pine
> people don't have to do it all...
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
> ****************************************************************************
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, Andrew B. Sweger wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Andrew,
> > [items deleted]
> > > There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> > > comfortable adding PGP support.
> > >
> > > --DLM
> > [items deleted]
> >
> > Perhaps a future version of pine could have appropriate locations
> > for hooks to various privacy packages to be added by the installer (but
> > not provided in the distribution). Maybe user installable menu commands
> > (e.g., Sign Message (specify MIME part number), Encrypt MIME part) would
> > be possible for the hacker (site implementor?). This doesn't solve all the
> > legal or political roadblocks, but does put some distance from the problem
> > and gives some folks a solution. The hooks don't have to be strictly for
> > PGP, any package would apply. (IMHO, ignorant as it is) -Andy
> >
> > --
> > / Andrew B. Sweger [email protected]
> > // Computer Support Manager [email protected]
> > \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office)
> > // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail)
> > / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once.
> > ==============================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: This pine-info mailing list
To: Simon McClenahan <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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I was just talking to a colleague, and he said that his softball list has
two modes. 1) Full mailings, 2) Collective mailings every 6 hours. The
collective mailings are done such thatk, every 6 hours a file has been
kept of all mailers that came since that last collective posting, and
then, after 6 hours, that file is mailed to everyone on the collective
mailing list. The list server is smart enough to be able to arrange
that, at the beginning of the 6 hour mailer, an index of subject lines is
found to be able to help you browse the file, instead of getting caught
with this huge file that you feel you have to read every line of.

It's an idea...

****************************************************************************
! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
****************************************************************************

On Thu, 7 Apr 1994, Simon McClenahan wrote:

> Hi,
> As much as I like to watch and _sometimes_ participate in
> discussions on pine, I think there is a NEED for this list to be able to
> be distributed in digest format.... please?
>
> I'll assume that another 50% of pine-info subscribers would quote
> the above text and write "me too!" down the bottom :)
>
>
> cheers,
>
> [email protected] \CSIRO Supercomputing Support Group
> CSIRO Division of Information Technology\ tel: +61 3 282 2623
> 723 Swanston St, Carlton 3053 AUSTRALIA \ fax: +61 3 282 2600
> I'm pink, therefore I'm spam.
>
>

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From: Dan Schlitt <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Yet another request
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>,
Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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I would not want you to close the inbox (and thus delete messages marked
for deletion) when you move to another folder from the inbox. I'm not sure
what you do with the inconsistent appearance to the user, but the current
behaviour is correct. I often want to refer to a saved message in a
folder while I am going through my inbox and I may also want to go back
and refer to a messsage that I have marked for deletion. I want to mark
them for deletion when I read them but that doesn't mean that I am
completely through with them. A later message in a thread may prompt me to
go back and look again.

/dan

--

Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems
[email protected] City College of New York
(212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: News on pine
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Sorry about my earlier message, but, after doing some more searching, I
found I had not set my news-collections= option in my .pinerc.

So now I am running with both news and mail. That's great. Only one
thing that could be a suggestion for pine 3.9. If the listing of
newsgroups could be made such that I could see a count of how many unread
entries there were, I would feel a lot less anxious. As it is, I
subscribe to so many newsgroups that, if I cannot see that info in front
of me, I will find myself reading every single group, not knowing whether
I needed to. I really don't have the time, with my job, to be bouncing
around newsgroups. Please consider this suggestion. As a matter of
fact, what would be cool is a menu option that allows flipping back and
forth between a simple listing of newsgroups and a numbered listing.
That option could be controlled by a .pinerc option which would turn it
on or off, and by an option that, if this were switched on, would allow
you to select which mode was to be the default every time you first get in...

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! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
****************************************************************************

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: News in pine
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How does one subscribe and unsubscribe in pine? I have looked at the
options available and have hit "?" to get the help screen. The options
and help seem very mail oriented and say nothing about news. Even when
you want to go to a group the option is called something like "go to
folder." Please let me know if there is an option in my .pinerc that I
am not activating or something...

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! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
****************************************************************************

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From: Pierre Roy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine and News
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On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Bruce,
>
> Pine 3.89 has very limited *read-only* news support. You can eneble this by
> setting the "news-collections" variable in your .pinerc file to point to your
> news server. You will also need a .newsrc file generated by some other
> newsreader...
Sorry to barge in but does Pine use the NNTP type of connection to read
the news???

Thanks.
Pierre

>
> Thanks for the request!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:
>
> > For some reason, when I first subscribed to this list, and when I
> > compiled pine on my system and first started to play with it, I got the
> > understanding that pine did News stuff. Don't remember exactly what it
> > was that gave me that impression, but I do remember that people have
> > talked a bit about it. I can't seem to find any feature in pine 3.89
> > which points toward an ability to read and post news. Please let me know
> > if this is a future enhancement, or if there's something I'm totally
> > overlooking...
> >
> > ****************************************************************************
> > ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
> > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
> > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
> > ****************************************************************************
> >
>

Pierre Roy Porretta
Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883
AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480
e-mail:[email protected]
[email protected]

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From: Michael Wolf <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Yet another request
To: Dan Schlitt <[email protected]>
Cc: David L Miller <[email protected]>,
Matt Simmons <[email protected]>,
Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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That's my opinion as well.

Michael

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Dan Schlitt wrote:

> I would not want you to close the inbox (and thus delete messages marked
> for deletion) when you move to another folder from the inbox. I'm not sure
> what you do with the inconsistent appearance to the user, but the current
> behaviour is correct.I often want to refer to a saved message in a
> folder while I am going through my inbox and I may also want to go back
> and refer to a messsage that I have marked for deletion. I want to mark
> them for deletion when I read them but that doesn't mean that I am
> completely through with them. A later message in a thread may prompt me to
> go back and look again.
>
> /dan
>
> --
>
> Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems
> [email protected] City College of New York
> (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031
>
>
>

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: Viewing attachments, the second view
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Sorry if I seem a pain, but I have one more suggestion for 3.90. I
really like pine, now that I am spending so much time on it, but there
are a few obvious things that I thought I'd put in here as I came across
them.

I was just reading a mailer that had 3 attachments. I hit "v" to view, then
"1" to see #1, and then "v" again(!!!!) to view it (again???). Once
there, I thought, OK, now I can just jump to the next attachment, but no
such luck.

It would be great if there were an option in the viewer mode that allowed
you to "go to next attachment". That way you wouldn't have to exit
viewer and then enter "v","2","v" again just to see the next one.

Oh, and, while I'm thinking here (a once a day activity), it would be
great if, instead of v2s (to save the second attachment) why wouldn't
pine want to know "v" that I want to view, and "2" that I want to go to
attachment 2. There is no reason to then have to enter the "s" or the "v".
Pine should just pop me into looking at attachment 2, and then while in
viewer mode, I should have the option to save. Seems it allows a
slightly, though obviously, shorter route to getting into the viewer, and
gives the option of saving at any time, and not just when you get into
the viewer. (Of course, this idea is being typed while I am in typing
mode, so I'm not in Viewer mode, should this already prove to be an
option inside the viewer.)...

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! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
****************************************************************************

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I occasionally get uuencoded files in my mail. How is it possible to
save and uudecode a file without first extracting it? Using extract and
specifying "|uudecode" as a filename doesn't work... [possible enhancement?]

-= Chris =-
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> >"execute pine in shell scripts" is definitely on the long-list. One of the
> >ways we determine the priority of items on the list is how often they are
> >mentioned. If we posted the list, that feedback might not come in...

Then I'll mention this. I use scripts a lot, and the ability to use pine
in a script would be great. Hopefully it will not be too long in coming...

****************************************************************************
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Hi. First post here for me, so excuse the potentially rookie question.

I'm running pine on a Sun running Solaris 2.3. In my .pinerc, I've
defined a user-domain that is different from the machine's hostname
(actually, what I've defined as the user-domain is a CNAME for the
hostname). If I'm reading the docs right, this should be used for
the "right-hand part" of the From: and return-path addresses on
outgoing mail. It isn't; all mail sent from pine goes out with
the regular hostname (and yes, I really do have a legitimate reason
for wanting to do this, if possible. It's a long story) in the
from and return-path.

So, I thought to myself, it's probably sendmail re-writing all that
stuff, so I defined smtp-server in order to try to bypass the local
sendmail. No luck; everything still has from and return-path pointing
at the local hostname, rather than the stuff in the personal config
file. I *do* have the user-domain defined to be the hostname in the
system-wide file, but it's my understanding that the personal config
file takes precedence, right?

So, does anyone have any ideas how to get the outgoing mail to have
from and return addresses different than the default on a per-user
basis. Thanks.

Larry Owen email: [email protected]
Campus Network Administrator phone: (205) 844-4110
Auburn University fax: (205) 844-9390

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On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> I occasionally get uuencoded files in my mail. How is it possible to
> save and uudecode a file without first extracting it? Using extract and
> specifying "|uudecode" as a filename doesn't work... [possible enhancement?]

I think the upcoming 'pipe' command feature will give you what
you need (pine 3.90, I believe due sometime this spring, stay tuned).

>
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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> Unfortunately the contributed code has to get past the same roadblocks as any
> code we would write. We have already been offered a couple PGP patches for
> Pine, but we cannot do anything with them until the legal dust settles :(

While a PGP specific patch may suffer from legal problems the original
request suggested a "generic" hook so that people could plug in their own
privacy package. Do you see any problems with that approach?

Ed

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Pierre,

Pine can use NNTP, IMAP, or local file access to read news.

--DLM

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On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Pierre Roy wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Pine 3.89 has very limited *read-only* news support. You can eneble this by
> > setting the "news-collections" variable in your .pinerc file to point to your
> > news server. You will also need a .newsrc file generated by some other
> > newsreader...
> Sorry to barge in but does Pine use the NNTP type of connection to read
> the news???
>
> Thanks.
> Pierre
>
> >
> > Thanks for the request!
> >
> > --DLM
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:
> >
> > > For some reason, when I first subscribed to this list, and when I
> > > compiled pine on my system and first started to play with it, I got the
> > > understanding that pine did News stuff. Don't remember exactly what it
> > > was that gave me that impression, but I do remember that people have
> > > talked a bit about it. I can't seem to find any feature in pine 3.89
> > > which points toward an ability to read and post news. Please let me know
> > > if this is a future enhancement, or if there's something I'm totally
> > > overlooking...
> > >
> > > ****************************************************************************
> > > ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> > > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
> > > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
> > > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
> > > ****************************************************************************
> > >
> >
>
> Pierre Roy Porretta
> Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883
> AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480
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> [email protected]
>

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Bruce,

We have a message-counting mechanism for the incoming-folder-collection
(which can include newsgroups) working in our experimental version, but we
are not really happy with it's performance. This will be at most a special
command for the Pine 3.90 release. We would like to have automatic counts,
but we need to improve the speed considerably first.

As you have noticed, Pine 3.89 does not have support for subscription,
unsubscription, or posting news. These *will* be in the Pine 3.90 release.

Thanks for the requests!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> Sorry about my earlier message, but, after doing some more searching, I
> found I had not set my news-collections= option in my .pinerc.
>
> So now I am running with both news and mail. That's great. Only one
> thing that could be a suggestion for pine 3.9. If the listing of
> newsgroups could be made such that I could see a count of how many unread
> entries there were, I would feel a lot less anxious. As it is, I
> subscribe to so many newsgroups that, if I cannot see that info in front
> of me, I will find myself reading every single group, not knowing whether
> I needed to. I really don't have the time, with my job, to be bouncing
> around newsgroups. Please consider this suggestion. As a matter of
> fact, what would be cool is a menu option that allows flipping back and
> forth between a simple listing of newsgroups and a numbered listing.
> That option could be controlled by a .pinerc option which would turn it
> on or off, and by an option that, if this were switched on, would allow
> you to select which mode was to be the default every time you first get in...
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
> ****************************************************************************
>

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> How does one subscribe and unsubscribe in pine? I have looked at the
> options available and have hit "?" to get the help screen. The options
> and help seem very mail oriented and say nothing about news. Even when
> you want to go to a group the option is called something like "go to
> folder." Please let me know if there is an option in my .pinerc that I
> am not activating or something...
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
> ****************************************************************************
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Viewing attachments, the second view
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Bruce,

We do plan to revamp the attachment interface in a future release of
Pine. It will probably not make it into 3.90, but it should come shortly
thereafter.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> Sorry if I seem a pain, but I have one more suggestion for 3.90. I
> really like pine, now that I am spending so much time on it, but there
> are a few obvious things that I thought I'd put in here as I came across
> them.
>
> I was just reading a mailer that had 3 attachments. I hit "v" to view, then
> "1" to see #1, and then "v" again(!!!!) to view it (again???). Once
> there, I thought, OK, now I can just jump to the next attachment, but no
> such luck.
>
> It would be great if there were an option in the viewer mode that allowed
> you to "go to next attachment". That way you wouldn't have to exit
> viewer and then enter "v","2","v" again just to see the next one.
>
> Oh, and, while I'm thinking here (a once a day activity), it would be
> great if, instead of v2s (to save the second attachment) why wouldn't
> pine want to know "v" that I want to view, and "2" that I want to go to
> attachment 2. There is no reason to then have to enter the "s" or the "v".
> Pine should just pop me into looking at attachment 2, and then while in
> viewer mode, I should have the option to save. Seems it allows a
> slightly, though obviously, shorter route to getting into the viewer, and
> gives the option of saving at any time, and not just when you get into
> the viewer. (Of course, this idea is being typed while I am in typing
> mode, so I'm not in Viewer mode, should this already prove to be an
> option inside the viewer.)...
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Nirvana !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! !
> ****************************************************************************
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Pine Mission Control {bug reports} <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: problem w/user-domain and smtp-server
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Larry,

The first thing to do is check your .pine-debug1 file to see what is
getting picked up from each config file. If that doesn't point out
anything, send us a copy and we'll take a look...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi. First post here for me, so excuse the potentially rookie question.
>
> I'm running pine on a Sun running Solaris 2.3. In my .pinerc, I've
> defined a user-domain that is different from the machine's hostname
> (actually, what I've defined as the user-domain is a CNAME for the
> hostname). If I'm reading the docs right, this should be used for
> the "right-hand part" of the From: and return-path addresses on
> outgoing mail. It isn't; all mail sent from pine goes out with
> the regular hostname (and yes, I really do have a legitimate reason
> for wanting to do this, if possible. It's a long story) in the
> from and return-path.
>
> So, I thought to myself, it's probably sendmail re-writing all that
> stuff, so I defined smtp-server in order to try to bypass the local
> sendmail. No luck; everything still has from and return-path pointing
> at the local hostname, rather than the stuff in the personal config
> file. I *do* have the user-domain defined to be the hostname in the
> system-wide file, but it's my understanding that the personal config
> file takes precedence, right?
>
> So, does anyone have any ideas how to get the outgoing mail to have
> from and return addresses different than the default on a per-user
> basis. Thanks.
>
> Larry Owen email: [email protected]
> Campus Network Administrator phone: (205) 844-4110
> Auburn University fax: (205) 844-9390

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Chris,

The next release of Pine will include the Pipe command which will allow
you to type "|uudecode"...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> I occasionally get uuencoded files in my mail. How is it possible to
> save and uudecode a file without first extracting it? Using extract and
> specifying "|uudecode" as a filename doesn't work... [possible enhancement?]
>
> -= Chris =-
> [.Sig closed for repair]
> ([email protected]) ... ([email protected])
>
>

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I posted this a few days ago but got no response. Did this circulate to
the list or did I screw up?

Omi Chandiramani
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From: Omi Chandiramani <[email protected]>
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Subject: Flag to start pine only if new mail exists?

How about it? This would be similar to the -z flag in elm. Right now I
have a shell script which does the same but it would be much cooler to
just have to type..

pine -x

or something similar. Anybody else support this idea?

Omi Chandiramani
[email protected]

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In Pico, how do you jump to the end or the top of a file?
Being able to jump to a line number would be nice to.

Thanks.

Jim
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| James H. Thompson | [email protected] (Internet) |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Ed Greshko wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately the contributed code has to get past the same roadblocks as any
> > code we would write. We have already been offered a couple PGP patches for
> > Pine, but we cannot do anything with them until the legal dust settles :(

PGP is using RSA protected by a US patent, therefore possibly breaking US
patent laws. Also, PGP can not be exported outside US.
*BUT*, PGP is legally sold under the name ViaCrypt, under legal license
terms. See alt.security.pgp .

Therefore, calling PGP from inside pine can not in my opinion break any law.
Inside US, it is a permitted when bought as ViaCrypt, and outside US there
is not any law against it.

>
> While a PGP specific patch may suffer from legal problems the original
> request suggested a "generic" hook so that people could plug in their own
> privacy package. Do you see any problems with that approach?
>
> Ed
>
> Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan
> Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
> FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C
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From [email protected] Wed Apr 13 08:21:43 1994
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From: Joe Brennan <[email protected]>
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I see the save command (when viewing a message) lets me save to a file
named *. One of our users did this by accident, and decided to fix it
afterwards by doing rm mail/*, and even though we have rm aliased to
rm -i, he told it OK to do it.

* is an unlikely filename to want; some other special characters would
also be "fun" for novices to handle in filenames. Do you all feel like
imposing a character test for file creation?

Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems
Columbia University in the City of New York
[email protected]

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Jim,

The version of Pico dto be distributed with the next release of Pine will
have commands to jump to top and bottom. Line number jumps are not yet
implemented.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, James H. Thompson - HNL wrote:

> In Pico, how do you jump to the end or the top of a file?
> Being able to jump to a line number would be nice to.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
> +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
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> +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
>

From [email protected] Wed Apr 13 09:04:11 1994
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I do not understand how attachments work in Pine. Coould someone help me
answer this question from one of our end-users?

> I sent an e-mail to the eastern US and a long ATTACHMENT came out
> looking like code. Is it correct to presume that the attachment was
> compressed?

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From [email protected] Wed Apr 13 09:23:43 1994
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I second Joe Brennan's thought. My particular version was less dramatic.
I created a file with a $ in its name, and found that unix has ideas
about such files that DOS never dreamed. After several discussions with
others who were as baffled as I, a stranger who used unix all the time
gave me the clues I needed to work with and then delete the file.

It would have been nice to have been saved from myself in this instance.
Even more so if I'd strayed down the path Brennan's user followed!

Putnam Barber
Seattle

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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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There have been several messages on this topic recently; here's my $.02...

o Support for private/authenticated mail is clearly important.
o We do not expect to bundle encryption code in the Pine distribution.
o We do not expect to purchase technology from ViaCrypt.
o Additional alternatives will be coming from MIT "real soon now".
o The suggestion that we provide hooks so that an *external* package
can enhance/de-enhance a message seems exactly right to me.
o In 3.90 "pipe to cmd" and "mailcap" support may provide part of the
answer (for processing incoming messages).
o Feasibility of the "external processing" approach has yet to be verified.
o Nothing has been done yet about hooks for outgoing msgs. It's not
likely that this will be done in time for 3.90, unless it turns out to
be dead easy.

-teg

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Hi there!

This is sort of a unix question. I've known for a long time that
Pine can print to a printer using "attached to ansi," but what is the
command to do that for a file from the unix prompt?

____________________________________________________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
[email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
314.935.4353
Washington University in St. Louis

From [email protected] Wed Apr 13 12:30:29 1994
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Please note, it is very easy to PGP-sign a pine mailing.

A) create a script outside of pine. I call mine 'picopgp'.

====picopgp====

#!/bin/sh

pico -z -t $1
pgp -sat $1
mv $1.asc $1

====end========

B) Set your alternate editor to this script (if in your path, just picopgp)

C) When you want to pgp-sign your message, invoke your alternate editor
and when you exit it, you will be asked for your password and then will
have a signed message.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
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\/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police"
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From [email protected] Wed Apr 13 12:45:50 1994
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From: Cindy Jenkins <[email protected]>
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Hi, I've been hunting in the pinerc file and can't locate how to set this
up. Is it possible to set up a From address in the pinerc of a user's
account, so that when a message is sent from that account, the From line
has a generic address (like pine-help@cac) rather than the person's
address? If so, where do i set this up?

****************************************************
Cindy Jenkins Health Sciences Library
Systems Administrator Information Center
office: 543-5531 Room T315
pager: 997-4934 mail stop SB-55
Internet: [email protected]
****************************************************

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Hussain,

The Pine source distribution includes a small utility program called
ansiprt that will do this in the contrib/utils directory. Documentstion
for the program is included in the source file.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Hussain Chinoy wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> This is sort of a unix question. I've known for a long time that
> Pine can print to a printer using "attached to ansi," but what is the
> command to do that for a file from the unix prompt?
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: pine mail vs. news
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Is it possible to jump between mail and news without having to close one
or the other out? I would like to freely be reading or write my mail and
just bounce over to news to see some information. That is, actually, the
only thing about seperate packages that I didn't think about before starting
to use pine. You can go to news to cut something out with your mouse and
go back to your mailer and paste it in. May not seem like much, but,
when you're in a mailer and want to refer to an article you can't get to
it because you are tying up the package writing your mailer. Hope I'm
making sense here. I guess what I mean is the ability to have either 1)
multiple processes that you can switch back and forth between, or 2) temp
files that keep the info from your mailer (such as where you were exactly
and a copy of the mailer you were composing, with the cursor position)
while you jump over to read news. You might even use this as a way to be
able to open a saved or unsaved mailer for reference while writing a
mailer that is to be sent. This would definitely increase functionality.

Please let me know if I'm going too far, but I'm interested to see if
such a situation could be done without throwing the pine people into a
major loop...

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From: John Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: attached-to-ansi cmd in unix?
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> The Pine source distribution includes a small utility program called
> ansiprt that will do this in the contrib/utils directory. Documentstion
> for the program is included in the source file.

Well, the documentation doesn't really say how to use the command, or
that the command line option, if present, tells whether to output a ctrl-d
after detecting the EOF on input.. or under what situations you might
want to do that. I simplified the program to the following, "ansiprint":

% more ansiprint.c

#include <stdio.h>

main (argc,argv)
char *argv[];
int argc;

{
char c;

putchar ('\033');
putchar ('[');
putchar ('5');
putchar ('i');

while ((c=getchar())!=EOF) putchar(c);
putchar ('\f');

putchar ('\033');
putchar ('[');
putchar ('4');
putchar ('i');
}

I found that I had to add the \f (formfeed) at the end in order to force Mac
VersaTerm to print the unix file to attached imagewriter NOW.. otherwise
it just wanted to buffer it up and print when it had what it considered to be
a pagefull. I found that ansiprt and pine's print had different results, so
I looked into pine's print routine to determine that the above did the trick.

To use ansiprint:

% ansiprint < myfile
or
% cmd1 | cmd2 | ansiprint

ansiprint does not take a file name on the command line. You must use
indirection or put at the end of a pipeline.

Feel free to use. No liabilities here. :^)

John Miller
Lewis & Clark College

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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Michael Showers wrote:

> I do not understand how attachments work in Pine. Could someone help me
> answer this question from one of our end-users?

Me neither - I have 2 requests:

1: that Pine tell the user what the name of the encoding method for
attachments is, so that the user can tell the would-be recipient (not using
pine) how it is encoded. I'm not a completely dumb user (no arguments please
;-) and I don't know off the top of my head, and when someone who knows more
than I do asks, I feel a bit foolish saying I don't know!

BTW what IS the encoding method...?

2: when a message is received with an attachment, pine asks if you want to
save/view part 1 or 2 ... now I've been here before and know that part 1 is the
plain text mail message you get to read anyway as soon as you go into the
message, and there's already a command to save or export it, so what is the
point of this - the part you want to save or view is always part 2 (or > 2 if
there is >1 attachment), so why not have part 1 == 1st attachment ... etc ?

PS thanks for a nice mailer, and please don't keep us hanging on for that
threaded/winsock version folks! B-)

John Stumbles [email protected]
University of Reading 0734 318435
Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK
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From: Shahjehan Khatri <[email protected]>
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Sorry if this is the 17th time you see this question, but I'm dying to know
if the "Spring" version of Pine will support multiple address books (e.g., a
system one and a personal one).

Much obliged.

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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: John Stumbles <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine User Group <[email protected]>
Subject: re: attachments
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John,

The encoding method used for all attachments in Pine is called BASE64, but
most of the decoding software available for BASE64 can already figure that
out from the MIME headers...

Pine and some other mailers use the _convention_ that the first part of a
multipart message is the text body, There is nothing in the MIME
specification that requires that convention, and there are mailers available
that do not use it. There has been some discussion in the comp.mail.mime
newsgroup about ways to distinguish between attachments and message body
parts in MIME, but I don't think anything has been decided.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, John Stumbles wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Michael Showers wrote:
>
> > I do not understand how attachments work in Pine. Could someone help me
> > answer this question from one of our end-users?
>
> Me neither - I have 2 requests:
>
> 1: that Pine tell the user what the name of the encoding method for
> attachments is, so that the user can tell the would-be recipient (not using
> pine) how it is encoded. I'm not a completely dumb user (no arguments please
> ;-) and I don't know off the top of my head, and when someone who knows more
> than I do asks, I feel a bit foolish saying I don't know!
>
> BTW what IS the encoding method...?
>
>
> 2: when a message is received with an attachment, pine asks if you want to
> save/view part 1 or 2 ... now I've been here before and know that part 1 is the
> plain text mail message you get to read anyway as soon as you go into the
> message, and there's already a command to save or export it, so what is the
> point of this - the part you want to save or view is always part 2 (or > 2 if
> there is >1 attachment), so why not have part 1 == 1st attachment ... etc ?
>
>
> PS thanks for a nice mailer, and please don't keep us hanging on for that
> threaded/winsock version folks! B-)
>
>
> John Stumbles [email protected]
> University of Reading 0734 318435
> Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Cindy Jenkins <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Setting a global From address
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Cindy,

The next release of Pine will support both the Reply-To: header and a
pre-settable From: header. We expect to have it available later this spring.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Cindy Jenkins wrote:

> Hi, I've been hunting in the pinerc file and can't locate how to set this
> up. Is it possible to set up a From address in the pinerc of a user's
> account, so that when a message is sent from that account, the From line
> has a generic address (like pine-help@cac) rather than the person's
> address? If so, where do i set this up?
>
> ****************************************************
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Shahjehan Khatri <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Multiple address books
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Shahjehan,

Sorry to disappoint you, but it does not look like multiple addressbook
support will make the spring release. It does remain high on our
priority list for a future release though.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Shahjehan Khatri wrote:

> Sorry if this is the 17th time you see this question, but I'm dying to know
> if the "Spring" version of Pine will support multiple address books (e.g., a
> system one and a personal one).
>
> Much obliged.
>
>

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From: Hussain Chinoy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: attached-to-ansi cmd in unix?
To: John Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: David L Miller <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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John,

Works like a charm!

Thanks tons!

hussain

________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy
[email protected]

On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, John Miller wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > The Pine source distribution includes a small utility program called
> > ansiprt that will do this in the contrib/utils directory. Documentstion
> > for the program is included in the source file.
>
> Well, the documentation doesn't really say how to use the command, or
> that the command line option, if present, tells whether to output a ctrl-d
> after detecting the EOF on input.. or under what situations you might
> want to do that. I simplified the program to the following, "ansiprint":
>
> % more ansiprint.c
>
> #include <stdio.h>
>
> main (argc,argv)
> char *argv[];
> int argc;
>
> {
> char c;
>
> putchar ('\033');
> putchar ('[');
> putchar ('5');
> putchar ('i');
>
> while ((c=getchar())!=EOF) putchar(c);
> putchar ('\f');
>
> putchar ('\033');
> putchar ('[');
> putchar ('4');
> putchar ('i');
> }
>
> I found that I had to add the \f (formfeed) at the end in order to force Mac
> VersaTerm to print the unix file to attached imagewriter NOW.. otherwise
> it just wanted to buffer it up and print when it had what it considered to be
> a pagefull. I found that ansiprt and pine's print had different results, so
> I looked into pine's print routine to determine that the above did the trick.
>
> To use ansiprint:
>
> % ansiprint < myfile
> or
> % cmd1 | cmd2 | ansiprint
>
> ansiprint does not take a file name on the command line. You must use
> indirection or put at the end of a pipeline.
>
> Feel free to use. No liabilities here. :^)
>
> John Miller
> Lewis & Clark College
>

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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Cc: David L Miller <[email protected]>,
Hussain Chinoy <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
Subject: Re: attached-to-ansi cmd in unix?
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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, John Miller wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > The Pine source distribution includes a small utility program called
> > ansiprt that will do this in the contrib/utils directory. Documentstion
> > for the program is included in the source file.
>
> Well, the documentation doesn't really say how to use the command, or ...

Thanks John... The problem is that David inadvertently got a couple of
extra words in his sentence. It should have read: "Documentation for
the program *is* the source file." :)

(This is a Unix app, after all.)

-teg

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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
To: John Stumbles <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine User Group <[email protected]>
Subject: re: attachments
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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, John Stumbles wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Michael Showers wrote:
>
> > I do not understand how attachments work in Pine. Could someone help me
> > answer this question from one of our end-users?
>
> Me neither - I have 2 requests:
>
> 1: that Pine tell the user what the name of the encoding method for
> attachments is, so that the user can tell the would-be recipient (not using
> pine) how it is encoded. I'm not a completely dumb user (no arguments please
> ;-) and I don't know off the top of my head, and when someone who knows more
> than I do asks, I feel a bit foolish saying I don't know!
>
> BTW what IS the encoding method...?

John et al,
It is both necessary and sufficient to have a "MIME capable" mailer or
external software to read Pine attachments. So it should be enough to
say to your correspondents "You need MIME capability".

For the terminally curious, Pine uses MIME's "Base64" Content-Transfer-
Encoding for all attachments.

> 2: when a message is received with an attachment, pine asks if you want to
> save/view part 1 or 2 ... now I've been here before and know that part 1 is the
> plain text mail message you get to read anyway as soon as you go into the
> message, and there's already a command to save or export it, so what is the
> point of this - the part you want to save or view is always part 2 (or > 2 if
> there is >1 attachment), so why not have part 1 == 1st attachment ... etc ?

The attachment interface *is* due for an overhaul, but being removing
the ability to specify the first MIME body part is not such a good idea,
for two reasons:

1. Using the attachment viewer's save option is currently the only way to
save a message without any headers.

2. Other mailers may generate "first" body parts that are not ascii text.
In this case, it is important to be able to explicitly specify #1.

Still, we all agree that the current attachment interface is a bit clunky.

> PS thanks for a nice mailer, and please don't keep us hanging on for that
> threaded/winsock version folks! B-)

Yes, sir! Right away!

-teg

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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Terry Gray wrote:

> Thanks John... The problem is that David inadvertently got a couple of
> extra words in his sentence. It should have read: "Documentation for
> the program *is* the source file." :)
>
> (This is a Unix app, after all.)

Ha Ha! I followed that convention in my source code as well...

Whoever picks that program up would do well to incorporate my usage notes as
comments. The program really should take a filename as an argument as well.
See any C textbook for the solution. :^)

John

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Thanks Robert. That's good news.

-teg

On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Please note, it is very easy to PGP-sign a pine mailing.

<etc>

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From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
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> Is it possible to jump between mail and news without having to close one
> or the other out? I would like to freely be reading or write my mail and
> just bounce over to news to see some information.

You can run two copies of pine. If your shell supports job control
(assuming you're running UNIX Pine), and you've set feature-list=
enable-suspend, then you can switch between the two running copies.

The second copy opens in Read Only mode (so you can't delete stuff in
your remote inbox). Also, don't forget about the background job, or the
IMAP connection will be broken.

This is admittedly pretty kludgy, but it would work.
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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Terry Gray wrote:

> Thanks Robert. That's good news.

If you are looking for something to do with it (pine people), you could
probably integrate something like that into pine itself. Have a .pinerc
flag 'pgp-enable' and some perhaps a 'do you want to PGPSign this
message' prompt. Or perhaps control-E to exit construction of a message
and sign it.

I'd think it would be very easy to do, won't require any integration of
PGP itself, and would be pretty intutive, I'd think.

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Hello,

while configuring pine one problem occured with the setting
folder-collections=Mail/[] in my pinerc. During startup pine gives the
message

"Creating subdirectory "/usr/people/thomas/mail" where pine will store
its mail folders."

and actually creates this directory, although it will never use it (since
there is this folder-collections entry, which directs all mail into ~./Mail).

Is there a problem with my configuration or is it just a bug in pine?

Thanks in advance,
Thomas Mueller
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> while configuring pine one problem occured with the setting
> folder-collections=Mail/[] in my pinerc. During startup pine gives the
> message
[ Why does it insist on creating ~/mail is the question ]

You also have to set mail-directory=Mail
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, I (John Stumbles) wrote:
> > ...when a message is received with an attachment, pine asks if you want to
save/view part 1 or 2 ... part 1 is the plain text mail message you get to read
anyway as soon as you go into the message... so what is the point of this - the
part you want to save or view is always part 2 ...so why not have part 1 == 1st
attachment ... etc ?

to which David L Miller replied:

> Pine and some other mailers use the _convention_ that the first part of a
> multipart message is the text body...

And Terry Gray also replied:
> ... removing
> the ability to specify the first MIME body part is not such a good idea,
> for two reasons:
>
> 1. Using the attachment viewer's save option is currently the only way to
> save a message without any headers.
>
> 2. Other mailers may generate "first" body parts that are not ascii text.
> In this case, it is important to be able to explicitly specify #1.

Thanks David and Terry,

When I first came across a message with an attachment I was confused to find
that asking to view attachment number 1 put me back into viewing the plain
message. I was in naive user mode, and I am guessing that other naive users
would find it similarly confusing (even with the attachment view/save interface
cleaned up).

I do think attachment number 1 should be the first actual attachment - if (as
Terry suggests) it is necessary or desirable to be able to invoke the
attachment view/save mechanism for the body, couldn't this be referred to as
part 0 ?? That way the smart users would be able to do what they want, and the
naive users would get what they expect when they do what comes naturally -
which is the pine philosophy, n'est ce pas?

BTW Terry, I don't understand your second point - I thought email message
bodies were exclusively ascii text (give or take some differences in national
character sets) - isn't this what attachments are all about? Surely if anyone
produces a mailer that sends out first body parts that are not ascii, 99.99% of
other mailers won't be able to read it without fiddling about, and it isn't
going to be very popular?

John Stumbles [email protected]
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On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> Unfortunately the contributed code has to get past the same roadblocks as any
> code we would write. We have already been offered a couple PGP patches for
> Pine, but we cannot do anything with them until the legal dust settles :(
>
> Thanks for the suggestion!
>
> --DLM

Does that really apply if the contributed code is just a patch which
allows an external program called 'pgp' to be called? Or a program which
is called 'tom', maybe, which just might happen to be 'pgp'? How could
there be any legal problem with that?

There is just such a patch floating around. And there seems to be
considerable demand.

Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
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Pine Team,

I'd just like to make sure that one of the things on your to-do list is to
allow other messages to be included (in the manner of a reply) when
composing or replying. This is about the only thing that I regularly have
to go outside of Pine to do.

Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:21:23 +0000 root wrote:

> There is just such a patch floating around. And there seems to be
> considerable demand.
>
> Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H)
[email protected]

Is it applicable to the DOS pine or only the Unix version?

I know the DOS version is usually distributed as an executable, but I
understand the source is available...?

John Stumbles [email protected]
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From: David Brownlee <[email protected]>
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On the 'gauge demand by number of requests front', I'm afraid I
have to add a 'me too' to this :)

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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, charlieb wrote:

>
> Pine Team,
>
> I'd just like to make sure that one of the things on your to-do list is to
> allow other messages to be included (in the manner of a reply) when
> composing or replying. This is about the only thing that I regularly have
> to go outside of Pine to do.
>
> Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
> "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
> but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/
>
>

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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, charlieb wrote:

> I'd just like to make sure that one of the things on your to-do list is to
> allow other messages to be included (in the manner of a reply) when
> composing or replying. This is about the only thing that I regularly have
Seconded!

Mike

==============================================================================
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From: "Lisa M. Frye" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: attached-to-ansi cmd in unix?
To: John Miller <[email protected]>
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John,

I have a small program which does the same as your ansiprint.
However, my program, as well as yours, do not take into account the time
it takes for the printer to do a formfeed at the end of the page. I am
looking for a way to do that so printouts from unix to the ansi printer
do not lose 3 lines between every page.

Lisa Frye [email protected]
Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634

"You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."

On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, John Miller wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > The Pine source distribution includes a small utility program called
> > ansiprt that will do this in the contrib/utils directory. Documentstion
> > for the program is included in the source file.
>
> Well, the documentation doesn't really say how to use the command, or
> that the command line option, if present, tells whether to output a ctrl-d
> after detecting the EOF on input.. or under what situations you might
> want to do that. I simplified the program to the following, "ansiprint":
>
> % more ansiprint.c
>
> #include <stdio.h>
>
> main (argc,argv)
> char *argv[];
> int argc;
>
> {
> char c;
>
> putchar ('\033');
> putchar ('[');
> putchar ('5');
> putchar ('i');
>
> while ((c=getchar())!=EOF) putchar(c);
> putchar ('\f');
>
> putchar ('\033');
> putchar ('[');
> putchar ('4');
> putchar ('i');
> }
>
> I found that I had to add the \f (formfeed) at the end in order to force Mac
> VersaTerm to print the unix file to attached imagewriter NOW.. otherwise
> it just wanted to buffer it up and print when it had what it considered to be
> a pagefull. I found that ansiprt and pine's print had different results, so
> I looked into pine's print routine to determine that the above did the trick.
>
> To use ansiprint:
>
> % ansiprint < myfile
> or
> % cmd1 | cmd2 | ansiprint
>
> ansiprint does not take a file name on the command line. You must use
> indirection or put at the end of a pipeline.
>
> Feel free to use. No liabilities here. :^)
>
> John Miller
> Lewis & Clark College
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: John Stumbles <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine User Group <[email protected]>
Subject: re: attachments
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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, John Stumbles wrote:

> When I first came across a message with an attachment I was confused to find
> that asking to view attachment number 1 put me back into viewing the plain
> message. I was in naive user mode, and I am guessing that other naive users
> would find it similarly confusing (even with the attachment view/save interface
> cleaned up).
>

Your point is well taken. Hopefully we can clear it up with the redesign.

> I do think attachment number 1 should be the first actual attachment - if (as
> Terry suggests) it is necessary or desirable to be able to invoke the
> attachment view/save mechanism for the body, couldn't this be referred to as
> part 0 ?? That way the smart users would be able to do what they want, and the
> naive users would get what they expect when they do what comes naturally -
> which is the pine philosophy, n'est ce pas?
>

Actually, Pine doesn't make it available, but I believe the underlying
c-client code calls the message headers part 0.

> BTW Terry, I don't understand your second point - I thought email message
> bodies were exclusively ascii text (give or take some differences in national
> character sets) - isn't this what attachments are all about? Surely if anyone
> produces a mailer that sends out first body parts that are not ascii, 99.99% of
> other mailers won't be able to read it without fiddling about, and it isn't
> going to be very popular?
>

Attachments are a Pine concept, not a MIME concept. To be minimally
conformant to the MIME specification, a mailer must be able to handle *any*
mix of content-types in a reasonable fashion. For example, I have heard of
sites experimenting with voice-mail via MIME, in which case there would be no
purpose in having anything but the audio/basic content. Any MIME mailer
should be able to at least save it to a file...

>
> John Stumbles [email protected]
> University of Reading 0734 318435
> Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

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From: Mike Roch <[email protected]>
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We're happily using Pine as a newsreader (mostly 3.07, some 3.89). I'm
toying with the idea of setting up anonymous news access via Pine; how can
I do this so that the default folder colletion presented will be the
entire set of newsgroups in /usr/lib/news/active?

Mike

==============================================================================
Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430
The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Including other messages...
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It's on the list....

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 14 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

>
> Pine Team,
>
> I'd just like to make sure that one of the things on your to-do list is to
> allow other messages to be included (in the manner of a reply) when
> composing or replying. This is about the only thing that I regularly have
> to go outside of Pine to do.
>
> Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
> "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
> but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/
>

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Mike,

For pine 3.89, set

inbox-path=*{newsserver/anonymous}[] (anonymous IMAP)
or inbox-path=*[] (local news)
or inbox-path=*{newsserver/nntp}[] (nntp)

where newsserver is the hostname of the news server. You will need to
generate the .newsrc file externally, perhaps a shell/perl script that
builds the file then invokes Pine.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Mike Roch wrote:

> We're happily using Pine as a newsreader (mostly 3.07, some 3.89). I'm
> toying with the idea of setting up anonymous news access via Pine; how can
> I do this so that the default folder colletion presented will be the
> entire set of newsgroups in /usr/lib/news/active?
>
> Mike
>
> ==============================================================================
> Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430
> The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094
>

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While reading USENET, I've seen articles with a Message-ID header with
"pine" in it. How do you post from pine? (I do know how to read news
in Pine.) My primary account has v3.87 installed and my other account
has v3.89. Thanks.
--
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[email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you

From [email protected] Thu Apr 14 11:32:01 1994
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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
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I have noticed that pine does not deal with cross-posted messages. In
rn, if you read something that was cross-posted to both alt.hari.krishna
and alt.new.wave.toenails, you only have to read it from one newsgroup.
If it is cross-posted to 5 newsgroups, again the news reader should be
able to update my .newsrc file such that I would not have to read the
same article in more than one group. Is this change made in 3.90?

Also, will the 3.90 pine newsreader do threads?

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From: John Miller <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote:

> I have a small program which does the same as your ansiprint.
> However, my program, as well as yours, do not take into account the time
> it takes for the printer to do a formfeed at the end of the page. I am
> looking for a way to do that so printouts from unix to the ansi printer
> do not lose 3 lines between every page.

Lisa, et. al,

how about adding:

for (i=0; i<PADCOUNT; i++) putchar ('\0');

just after any formfeed sent to the printer -- this send some nulls out to
keep the serial/parallel port busy while the printer does the form feed.
(The printer will just drop the nulls instead of good characters).

Here is a revised program. Adjust PADCOUNT upwards till it works.
Let us know what value works for your printer & configuration.

#include <stdio.h>
#define PADCOUNT 10

main (argc,argv)
char *argv[];
int argc;

{
char c;
int i;

putchar ('\033'); putchar ('['); putchar ('5'); putchar ('i');

while ((c=getchar())!=EOF) {
putchar(c);
if (c=='\f') for (i=0; i<PADCOUNT; i++) putchar ('\0');
}

putchar ('\f'); for (i=0; i<PADCOUNT; i++) putchar ('\0');

putchar ('\033'); putchar ('['); putchar ('4'); putchar ('i');

}

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How do you post to a newsgroup in pine?
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Matt,

There are a few of us on the Pine Development Team who have been using an
experimental version of pine that supports posting. Other than that you
might be seeing some postings through an email-to-news gateway....

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:

> While reading USENET, I've seen articles with a Message-ID header with
> "pine" in it. How do you post from pine? (I do know how to read news
> in Pine.) My primary account has v3.87 installed and my other account
> has v3.89. Thanks.
> --
> Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
> [email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you
>

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From: Michael A Naud <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Michael A Naud <[email protected]>
Subject: Customizing who to call text screen
To: [email protected]
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How do I customize the help menu in pine that directs people where/who to
call for assistance? I have a mail account set up for pine related questions
that I'd like to include in there. The system admin. that did it before
has left us. Thanks in advance for the help.

Also, like the idea of including other massages al a ~m 2 into a new
message. Hope it gets included soon.

Michael A. Naud

----
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Customizing who to call text screen
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Michael,

Pine will insert the contents of /usr/local/lib/pine.info, if it exists,
into the "Local Contacts" portion of the help text. You can also set the
initial addressbook entries by setting the bugs-nickname, bugs-fullname,
and bugs-address in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.

The next release of Pine will include support for replying to and
forwarding multiple messages. A more generic inclusion capability will
come later.

Thanks for the requests!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Michael A Naud wrote:

>
> How do I customize the help menu in pine that directs people where/who to
> call for assistance? I have a mail account set up for pine related questions
> that I'd like to include in there. The system admin. that did it before
> has left us. Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> Also, like the idea of including other massages al a ~m 2 into a new
> message. Hope it gets included soon.
>
> Michael A. Naud
>
> ----
> Michael A. Naud Nazareth College of Rochester
> (716) 586-2525 ext.827 VOICE Dept. of Academic Computing
> (716) 586-2452 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue
> [email protected] E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-3980 USA
>
> "...you're Norma Desmond. You were big." Gloria Swanson to William
> "I am big. It's the pictures that got small." Holden in "Sunset Boulevard"
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
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To: "Lisa M. Frye" <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote:
> I have a small program which does the same as your ansiprint.
> However, my program, as well as yours, do not take into account the time
> it takes for the printer to do a formfeed at the end of the page. I am
> looking for a way to do that so printouts from unix to the ansi printer
> do not lose 3 lines between every page.

Do something like this:

if char=^L then sleep(1)

one second should be long enough, but it can always be lengthened. Hell,
you could put the sleep time as a command line option
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Bruce,

Neither of these will make it into Pine 3.90. We will keep them on the
list for future releases though.

Thanks for the suggestions!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> I have noticed that pine does not deal with cross-posted messages. In
> rn, if you read something that was cross-posted to both alt.hari.krishna
> and alt.new.wave.toenails, you only have to read it from one newsgroup.
> If it is cross-posted to 5 newsgroups, again the news reader should be
> able to update my .newsrc file such that I would not have to read the
> same article in more than one group. Is this change made in 3.90?
>
> Also, will the 3.90 pine newsreader do threads?
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "A job ain't nothing but work" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Mo Money !
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>

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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Message of the day.
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We are in the process of reorganizing some of our hard drives and would
like to give everybody a message telling them where to post any troubles
they may come across. We have set up a message that runs before nn
executes, and were wondering if a similar feature exists in Pine. If
not, perhaps this could be a future enhancement ... ?

(Just for reference, it's not really plausible to post everyone a
message becuase of the limitations on disk space, &c.)

-= Chris =-
[.Sig closed for repair]
([email protected]) ... ([email protected])

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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Joe Brennan wrote:
>
> I see the save command (when viewing a message) lets me save to a file
> named *. One of our users did this by accident, and decided to fix it
> afterwards by doing rm mail/*, and even though we have rm aliased to
> rm -i, he told it OK to do it.
>
> * is an unlikely filename to want; some other special characters would
> also be "fun" for novices to handle in filenames. Do you all feel like
> imposing a character test for file creation?

^R wouldn't let me type in "/mnt/a:" - it baulked at the ":". That's a bug.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> We are in the process of reorganizing some of our hard drives and would
> like to give everybody a message telling them where to post any troubles
> they may come across. We have set up a message that runs before nn
> executes, and were wondering if a similar feature exists in Pine. If
> not, perhaps this could be a future enhancement ... ?
>
> (Just for reference, it's not really plausible to post everyone a
> message becuase of the limitations on disk space, &c.)

I may be mis-understanding what you are after. But, how about
doing the following:

1. Rename pine to something else, e.g. "forest"

2. Create a shell script called "pine" that echos the message you
want to the person's screen and then calls "forest".

(At this point I was going to insert a pun about the user not
being able to see the forest because of the tree.....but never mind.)

Ed

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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Michael A Naud wrote:
>
> How do I customize the help menu in pine that directs people where/who to
> call for assistance? I have a mail account set up for pine related questions
> that I'd like to include in there. The system admin. that did it before
> has left us. Thanks in advance for the help.

>From the man page...

FILES
/usr/spool/mail/xxxx Folder for incoming mail
~/.addressbook Ascii address book file
~/mail Directory of mail folders
~/.pine-debugx Diagnostic log for debugging
~/.pinerc The user pine configuration file
/usr/local/lib/pine.info Local pointer to system adminis-
trator
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf System wide pine configuration
file
/tmp/.\usr\spool\mail\xxxx Read/write per folder/mailbox
lock files

It appears that the file is /usr/local/lib/pine.info.
--
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Subject: Planned enhancement doc via ftp?

Is there a document evailable containing a list of planned pine
features? I have a few suggestions, but I would like first to know
what is the current state, so that I won't waste everybody's time.

Thanks

-- Ran

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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote:

> Is there a document evailable containing a list of planned pine
> features? I have a few suggestions, but I would like first to know
> what is the current state, so that I won't waste everybody's time.
>
[..]
Go ahead and make your requests. The importance of a request is judged by
the number of times it appears on this list. A debatable algorithm but
thats how it works..

Omi Chandiramani
[email protected]

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From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
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Subject: KBLock problem
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I'm new to this list, so I hope I not bringing up topics you've all seen
a hundred times. There's got to be a way to trap the Quit signal. KBLock
is useless if it will defer to Quit. I would consider losing the ability
to "Emergency Exit" while the keyboard is locked a small price compared
to having a insecure keyboard lock command that some might consider
secure. As Phil Zimmerman said in the PGP Documentation, wrongly used
encryption is often less privacy protecting than not using encryption at
all (actually, when he said it, it was good English, but you get the
idea). The same goes for the KBLock command.
--
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From: Barry Cornelius <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Setting a global From address
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Cindy Jenkins <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
> Cindy,
> The next release of Pine will support both the Reply-To: header and a
> pre-settable From: header. We expect to have it available later this spring.

Although it may be useful at other sites, we would be very unhappy if our
users have the ability to change the From: line. I hope that, if this
facility is included, you will also allow for the person who is installing
Pine to disable the facility.

If not, we will have to patch Pine 3.90 when we receive it in order to
disable the setting of the From: line. If we don't do this, my guess we
would have lots of faked mail sent.

--
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From: [email protected] (Daniel D. Todd)
Subject: Re: Setting a global From address
Cc: Cindy Jenkins <[email protected]>, [email protected]
X-Mailer: <PC Eudora Version 1.4b22>

At 09:52 AM 4/15/94, Barry Cornelius wrote:

>Although it may be useful at other sites, we would be very unhappy if our
>users have the ability to change the From: line. I hope that, if this
>facility is included, you will also allow for the person who is installing
>Pine to disable the facility.
>
>If not, we will have to patch Pine 3.90 when we receive it in order to
>disable the setting of the From: line. If we don't do this, my guess we
>would have lots of faked mail sent.
>
And hope no-one compiles it in their own directory?

cheers,
Dan
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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:03:33 GMT
From: Laurie Cuthbert <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Setting a global From address
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I agree. We have a lot of aggravation with people using Eudora setting the
From: field incorrectly. In fact its so much of a pain that we have a table in
our MTA (smail) setup that looks for people who have an incorrect From: field
and re-writes it for them (in those cases we throw away their Repy-To: field
on the grounds that if they have messed around with From: then Reply-To: is
also likely to be wrong!).

The only 2 MUAs that currently give us NO grief are pine and ECSmail so it
would be a pity if there was no configuration switch to turn off such
facilities.

This is especially important with PC-Pine that we use with students in
unsupervised environments - we have already had instances with faked mail (in
some cases obscene faked mail) from people doing a telnet to port 25 so I
would hate to see life made easier for the little .....s

Regards

Laurie Cuthbert

On Fri, 15 Apr 1994 09:52:58 +0100 (BST) Barry Cornelius wrote:

> From: Barry Cornelius <[email protected]>
> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 09:52:58 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: Re: Setting a global From address
> To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
> Cc: Cindy Jenkins <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
> > Cindy,
> > The next release of Pine will support both the Reply-To: header and a
> > pre-settable From: header. We expect to have it available later this
spring.
>
> Although it may be useful at other sites, we would be very unhappy if our
> users have the ability to change the From: line. I hope that, if this
> facility is included, you will also allow for the person who is installing
> Pine to disable the facility.
>
> If not, we will have to patch Pine 3.90 when we receive it in order to
> disable the setting of the From: line. If we don't do this, my guess we
> would have lots of faked mail sent.
>
> --
> Barry Cornelius Durham (091 or +44 91) 374 4717
> Information Technology Service, IT Service Office: 374 2892
> Science Site, University of Durham, Fax: 374 3741
> Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: [email protected]
>

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Omi Chandiramani wrote:

> Go ahead and make your requests. The importance of a request is judged by
> the number of times it appears on this list. A debatable algorithm but
> thats how it works..

Please don't take that statement so literally. I'm sure that the
priorities placed on enhancements are determined by more than the number
of requests. Also, before you decide to ask for an enhancement...think
about it for a day or two. Is it really something that would be wanted
and needed by others? One has to start being concerned about creaping
featurism. Also, as more and more people start using pine you have to
starting thinking about how changes are going affect more and more people.

I see the time coming where a "final" release of pine should occur.
It should be feature rich enough for the average email user to be happy
using it and as bug free as possible. You will then have a mature product
that many people will be happy with and won't feel the need to keep current.
And think of all the fun you will have with the context to name the next
generation...

Ed

Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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To: [email protected]
Subject: Progress of pine

Recently I've read various postings to this list about what
pine should have, how it should work, and even how the pine
team should do their jobs. Suggestions to the pine team for
various and sundry improvements can help hone the product for
everyone, including the University.

However, I think the various users of pine need to keep in mind
that the pine team has produced and is still working on a product
for the University of Washington and that it is a tribute to
the University that this product is allowed to be used by anyone
for no cost. There is a great benefit to the Internet community
to have projects like this going on. The costs to the host
institution are not trivial; the overall benefits are tremendous.

mike

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I would like to request a configurable wastebasket option.
It would be nice if it worked like sent-mail where it is moved into
individual monthly folders and optionally deleted.

-- Jim

==========================================================================
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From: Michael Wolf <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Progress of pine
To: "Michael A. Crowley" <[email protected]>
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We all really should not forget this.

Michael

On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Michael A. Crowley wrote:

>
> Recently I've read various postings to this list about what
> pine should have, how it should work, and even how the pine
> team should do their jobs.Suggestions to the pine team for
> various and sundry improvements can help hone the product for
> everyone, including the University.
>
> However, I think the various users of pine need to keep in mind
> that the pine team has produced and is still working on a product
> for the University of Washington and that it is a tribute to
> the University that this product is allowed to be used by anyone
> for no cost.There is a great benefit to the Internet community
> to have projects like this going on.The costs to the host
> institution are not trivial; the overall benefits are tremendous.
>
> mike
>
>

From [email protected] Fri Apr 15 08:13:32 1994
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From: "Carolynn Seeley ( Spring )" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Progress of pine
To: "Michael A. Crowley" <[email protected]>
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HEAR! HEAR!

I am the PINE Administrator here at McMaster now and relatively new to
UNIX as well. The support and info from the pine team has been
invaluable to me in assisting me in installing the newer upgrades onto
our 3 systems.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carolynn Seeley (Spring) email: [email protected]
Consultant, Desktop Support [email protected]
Computing and Information Services
McMaster University, JHE-122
(905) 525-9140 x27090
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Michael A. Crowley wrote:

>
> Recently I've read various postings to this list about what
> pine should have, how it should work, and even how the pine
> team should do their jobs. Suggestions to the pine team for
> various and sundry improvements can help hone the product for
> everyone, including the University.
>
> However, I think the various users of pine need to keep in mind
> that the pine team has produced and is still working on a product
> for the University of Washington and that it is a tribute to
> the University that this product is allowed to be used by anyone
> for no cost. There is a great benefit to the Internet community
> to have projects like this going on. The costs to the host
> institution are not trivial; the overall benefits are tremendous.
>
> mike
>
>

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From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Wastebasket request
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> I would like to request a configurable wastebasket option.
> It would be nice if it worked like sent-mail where it is moved into
> individual monthly folders and optionally deleted.

Perhaps I don't understand your question, but couldn't you do this with

read-message-folder=trash
feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs

in .pinerc? It wouldn't do the monthly thing, but you could write a
short script to do that in your .login file.
--
Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
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From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Setting a global From address
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote:
> Although it may be useful at other sites, we would be very unhappy if our
> users have the ability to change the From: line. I hope that, if this
> facility is included, you will also allow for the person who is installing
> Pine to disable the facility.
>
> If not, we will have to patch Pine 3.90 when we receive it in order to
> disable the setting of the From: line. If we don't do this, my guess we
> would have lots of faked mail sent.

I haven't actually read the RFC, but it's my understanding that that's
what the Sender header line is for -- anyway, anyone who wants to fake
mail could just do it with an agent other than pine (eg binmail).
--
Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 18:11:11 +0100 (BST)
From: Ian Dunkin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine enhancement requests
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine mailing list <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> comfortable adding PGP support.

Might RSA's recent announcement (below) that their RIPEM/SIG digital
signature software is now free and exportable come in somewhere here, in
the area of support for such signatures in Pine? I gather this is
possible because they got a "commodities jurisdiction" ruling that the
software falls under the Commerce Department's jurisdiction as opposed
to the State Department and thus allows it to be freely and legally
exported.

?I.

--
Ian Dunkin <[email protected]>
--

o /
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O \

>From [email protected] Fri Apr 15 18:01:01 1994
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:00:52 PST
From: Jim Bidzos <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: RSAREF/RIPEM Free and Legal Worldwide

More info...

>From [email protected] Fri Mar 25 11:59:34 1994
X-Sender: [email protected]
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X-Mailer: Eudora 2.0.2
Organization: Consensus Development Corporation, San Francisco, CA USA
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 14:53:10 -0800
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
From: Christopher Allen <[email protected]>
Subject: ARTICLE - Two Updates Make for Digital Signatures in Email
Sender: [email protected]

-----BEGIN PRIVACY-ENHANCED MESSAGE-----
Proc-Type: 4,MIC-CLEAR
Content-Domain: RFC822
Originator-Certificate:
MIICETCCAaYCBQJBAADUMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAgUAMGMxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMSAw
HgYDVQQKExdSU0EgRGF0YSBTZWN1cml0eSwgSW5jLjEyMDAGA1UECxMpVW5hZmZp
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BQADfgBe/pia8Oo46rbZlEZE5S0JDsrqWRS5v2ia0D55lJHQqr5vLY0pJy4sSbcp
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nyB7fXhsjlnFSm8PN0zaTx6RRv8dxvyC42V2mPz6xciQcw==
MIC-Info: RSA-MD5,RSA,
BVNiXNeTZzv5ChVt/OzLHOvgQ0XbSIW5GsUV/Da58fSVFcxc+OF2R6MMH3NxcWPu
tlpZNMVi51vRzw0pLH2psg==

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 14:41:00 -0800
Subject: ARTICLE - Two Updates Make for Digital Signatures in Email
From: Christopher Allen <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Christopher Allen <[email protected]>
Originator: Christopher Allen <[email protected]>
Organization: Consensus Development Corporation, San Francisco, CA USA
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
X-Sender: [email protected]
X-Last-Updated: 1994/03/23
X-Text-Source:
ftp://netcom7.netcom.com/pub/consensus/text/Two_Updates_Dig_Sig.txt
X-HTML-Source:
ftp://netcom7.netcom.com/pub/consensus/www/Two_Updates_Dig_Sig.html
Summary: This article is about two recent software updates, RIPEM 1.2 and
RSAREF 2.0, which are significanct to the progress of using digital
signatures in electronic mail.
Keywords: article, christopher allen, consensus development, ripem,
ripem/sig, rsaref, digital, signature, electronic, mail, email,
security, privacy, privacy enhanced mail, pem, export, decryption
encryption, cryptography, authentication, rsa data security, pgp,
pretty good privacy, software, license, patent

TWO UPDATES MAKE FOR DIGITAL SIGNATURES IN EMAIL
================================================
by Christopher Allen <[email protected]>
Copyright (c)1994 by Consensus Development Corporation--All Rights
Reserved. See the end of this article for the full copyright notice.

DIGITAL SIGNATURES
- ------------------
One of the real up-and-coming uses of encryption technology is for
applying digital ``signatures'' to various electronic documents. Such
signatures are not forgeable and guarantee that a document originates
with its author. If Dartmouth College had such a system in place
recently, a message impersonating a faculty member announcing the
cancellation of an exam might have been avoided. Digital signatures can
also be used to detect viruses before infected files execute.

Up to now, however, digitally signing documents has not been an easy
task. The first hurdle has been an inability to export the technology
overseas, making it virtually impossible to standardize on a signature
method. Secondly, it has been difficult to license the technology
patents involved.

The use of a freeware software utility called Pretty Good Privacy (PGP)
has caused some difficulties as well. Since PGP has already found its
way overseas and has gained some popularity, in particular because US
digital signature software has not been easily exportable. In the United
States, many organizations are reluctant to use PGP because of its
questionable patent status. In addition, its author, Phil Zimmermann, is
under investigation for possible export violations. These problems have
kept organizations from adopting PGP as a standard.

Two recent announcements have significantly changed things.

The first announcement is the release of two new versions of RIPEM, one
called RIPEM, the other called RIPEM/SIG. RIPEM is a free version of the
Internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) standard implemented by Mark
Riordan of Michigan State University. RIPEM/SIG is a subset of RIPEM
that allows users to digitally sign their e-mail documents but does not
allow encryption or decryption.

What is significant about this announcement is that Riordan--in
cooperation with RSA Data Security, Inc--has received a ``commodities
jurisdiction'' ruling which allows free and legal export of
non-encrypting RIPEM/SIG outside of the US. This means both US and
overseas users can now standardize on a single set of software, instead
of only working with RIPEM inside the US and PGP outside.

This release also addresses some of the complaints of PGP users: both
RIPEM and RIPEM/SIG support a non-hierarchical trust model similar to
PGP, and for US users the non-exportable version of RIPEM provides full
triple-DES privacy. Even though the triple-DES RIPEM may not be
exportable, Riordan is working with authors of independently developed
PEM applications in other countries with the goal of 100%
interoperability in a version 2.0 of RIPEM. Until that time, since
RIPEM/SIG is free and exportable, users could send a non-US or Canadian
user both RIPEM/SIG and the message to be authenticated.

The second announcement is from RSA Data Security, Inc. for the 2.0
version of RSAREF. RSAREF is a source code cryptographic toolkit
designed specifically for writing PEM applications as well other
fundamental cryptographic and digital signature tools. In fact,
RIPEM is based on the RSAREF source code.

What is most significant about this new RSAREF is that RSA Data Security
has changed its license to make RSAREF much more accessible to both
corporations and commercial and non-commercial developers. Freeware
products (i.e., software where no fee other than media or bandwidth cost
is requested) can use the RSAREF toolkit provided that the public has
access to the product's source code.

Though a new license agreement has not been finalized, I've been told by
RSA that they will grant a royalty-free license for shareware products
for up to $10,000 worth of gross annual sales if the shareware source
code is available and the developers do not charge more than $50 a
copy.

Even if you are a commercial developer, I know from personal experience
that RSA can be quite reasonable about licensing. They want this base
level of technology adopted as widely as possible--just make RSA a
reasonable offer and I think they'll take it.

RIPEM and RIPEM/SIG are also beneficiaries of this new RSAREF license,
which means that US companies can have privacy and authentication free
of hassles from patent holders and export cops.

MORE ON RIPEM/SIG
- -----------------
The press release on RIPEM/SIG from Mark Riordan <[email protected]>
is at:

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemsig/posting

If you are a US or Canadian citizen, you can request an account for
access to the full non-exportable RIPEM. Information on how to get
access is at:

ftp://guest.mu5k2d55:@ripem.msu.edu//pub/crypt/GETTING_ACCESS

The binary files for the exportable RIPEM/SIG can be found in the
directory:

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemsig/binaries/

RSAREF/SIG Files available today are:

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemsig/binaries/
ripemsig-68030-macintosh-commandline-1.2a.sit.hqx

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemsig/binaries/
ripemsig-80x86-dos-vanilla-1.2a.exe

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemsig/binaries/
ripemsig-hppa-hpux9.01-1.2a

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemsig/binaries/
ripemsig-ibm-rs6000-aix3.2-1.2a

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemsig/binaries/
ripemsig-sparc-sunos4.1.1-1.2a

There does not seem to be separate documentation for RIPEM/SIG yet, so
I guess you have to use the documentation for RIPEM 1.2a:

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripem.man
ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemusr.doc
ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/ripemusr.txt

A current list of RIPEM public keys is at:

ftp://ripem.msu.edu/pub/crypt/ripem/pubkeys.txt

There is an electronic-mail users group list PEM-DEV for discussions
related to the development and deployment of Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)
systems. Contributions to the list should be sent to
``[email protected]''. Administrivia, e.g., additions to or deletions from
the list should be sent to ``[email protected]''.

The Internet Multicasting Service <[email protected]> is now beginning to
stamp all of their text files with RSA/RIPEM digital signatures. You
can find their public key through a finger request to town.hall.org. For
examples of stamped files, look at:

ftp://town.hall.org/edgar/docs/

MORE ON RSAREF 2.0
- ------------------
Remember, even though you can use RSAREF to create exportable,
non-encryption based digital signature software, the source code to
RSAREF is not exportable itself, as it can do encryption. It is only
available to US and Canadian citizens.

The press release on RSAREF from Jim Bidzos <[email protected]> is
at:

ftp://rsa.com//pub/RIPEM_SIG_announce.txt

Information on what RSAREF is all about and what are the license terms
are located at:

ftp://rsa.com/rsaref/info.reply
ftp://rsa.com/rsaref/license.txt

To get access to a time dependent directory (it changes every few
minutes) you will need to read the document:

ftp://rsa.com/rsaref/README

If you agree to it's terms, take the directory mentioned there and
substitute it for the checksum in the directory ``U.S.-only 7c04e6''.

The compressed tar archive of RSAREF is at (remember to change the time
dependent directory!):

ftp://rsa.com/rsaref/dist/U.S.-only-7c04e6/rsaref.tar.Z

The ZIP archive of RSAREF is at (remember to change the time dependent
directory!):

ftp://rsa.com/rsaref/dist/U.S.-only-7c04e6/rsaref.zip

You can also get the RSAREF via email by reading the RSAREF license
agreement and sending the following message to
<[email protected]> (If your electronic mail address is
located in Canada, please also send RSA your full name and mailing
address; they'll need it to complete a Department of State export
declaration):

I acknowledge that I have read the RSAREF Program License
Agreement and understand and agree to be bound by its terms and
conditions, including without limitation its restrictions on
foreign reshipment of the Program and information related to the
Program. The electronic mail address to which I am requesting
that the program be transmitted is located in the United States
of America or Canada and I am an United States citizen, a Canadian
citizen, or a permanent resident of the United States. The RSAREF
Program License Agreement is the complete and exclusive agreement
between RSA Laboratories and me relating to the Program, and
supersedes any proposal or prior agreement, oral or written, and
any other communications between RSA Laboratories and me relating
to the Program.

RSA Laboratories maintains an electronic-mail users group
<[email protected]> for discussions on RSAREF applications, bug
fixes, etc. To join the users group, send electronic mail to
<[email protected]>.

AUTHOR'S BIOGRAPHY
- ------------------
Christopher Allen is president of Consensus Development Corporation, a
microcomputer software development & consulting firm specializing in
groupware (defined as software to support collaboration and intentional
group processes), including such related areas as hypertext, online
documentation, document architecture, electronic publishing, group
knowledge-base support tools, and creation and management of shared
collaborative spaces.

Christopher has been active in a number of other computer industry areas.
He runs the Mac Developers Forum and Newton Development SIG on America
Online, and a Mosaic/World-Wide-Web area on groupware and collaboration.
Christopher has written for a number of industry books and publications,
including MacWorld and the Macintosh Bible. He has been moderator and
speaker at MacWorld Expo's and Mactivity's groupware sessions, and
speaks as a panelist on the subject of Macintosh groupware at other
industry conferences. He was chairman of MacHack '93, a conference for
Macintosh programming gurus, is on the MacHack Planning Board, and is a
senior associate at the Foresight Institute.

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:

> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:01:16 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Wastebasket request
>
> On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> > I would like to request a configurable wastebasket option.
> > It would be nice if it worked like sent-mail where it is moved into
> > individual monthly folders and optionally deleted.
>
> Perhaps I don't understand your question, but couldn't you do this with
>
> read-message-folder=trash
> feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs
>
> in .pinerc? It wouldn't do the monthly thing, but you could write a
> short script to do that in your .login file.
> --
> Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
> [email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you
>

Yes, I had missed that feature. It will work fine, though the monthly
bit would be nice :-)

Thanks,

-- Jim

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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Enhancement (audio)
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Is there a way to specify a default audio device like there is to specify
a default image viewer? We often have people remotely logged in to other
machines and it could be embarassing to go to read your mail message and
then hear the sound of a toilet flushing on a computer in another room.
(This happened to someone to whom I sent a message not too long ago. The
person sitting at the other computer was quite surprised as well!)

-= Chris =-
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:

> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:01:16 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Wastebasket request
>
> On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> > I would like to request a configurable wastebasket option.
> > It would be nice if it worked like sent-mail where it is moved into
> > individual monthly folders and optionally deleted.
>
> Perhaps I don't understand your question, but couldn't you do this with
>
> read-message-folder=trash
> feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs
>
> in .pinerc? It wouldn't do the monthly thing, but you could write a
> short script to do that in your .login file.
> --
> Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
> [email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you
>

I was wrong. I need a function equiv to auto-move-deleted-msgs
to do what I want. I still need read messages to stay in inbox.
Also, I only want deleted messages stored -- not ones I read and moved to
another folder to save.

-- Jim

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Chris,

The next release of Pine will include support for the "mailcap"
configuration file. This will allow you to configure just about any
combination of "viewers"...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> Is there a way to specify a default audio device like there is to specify
> a default image viewer? We often have people remotely logged in to other
> machines and it could be embarassing to go to read your mail message and
> then hear the sound of a toilet flushing on a computer in another room.
> (This happened to someone to whom I sent a message not too long ago. The
> person sitting at the other computer was quite surprised as well!)
>
> -= Chris =-
> [.Sig closed for repair]
> ([email protected]) ... ([email protected])
>

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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Enhancements
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I would like to see two things in the next version of PINE:
*) A "fcc" entry in the address book.
*) On the fly compression/decompression.

I'd like the "fcc" entry because some mailing lists don't seem to always
receive the letters to them and it would be nice to have a copy on hand.
I don't want to "fcc" every message I send because disk space at this
site is so limited.

Again, because disk space is limited, it would be nice to see a way for
pine to "gzip" its mail directories after reading them and to "gunzip"
them when forming the index. Will a feature like this be supported in
the mailcap entries? We'd like to create as few scripts as necessary.

-= Chris =-
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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Default Mail Folders.
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We have currently set up aliases for people who recieve large amounts of
mail (as per the reasons stated previously <g>) and as a result have had
to set the environment variable MAIL $HOME/.newmail This is suppposed
(we were under the presumption) to be used by all mail readers, not just
the system mail utilities. Apparently this is not so. Is there any way
to have pine acknowledge this variable without having to specify it for
each person. If not, what happens if we put incoming-folders=$MAIL in
the .pinerc file and MAIL is not set?

All help will be appreciated.

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Chris,

The next release of Pine won't have much of any change in the addressbook
code, but there are some developments on the horizon that will probably
cause a restructuring of the addressbook code. There are also some other
Fcc related enhancements coming.

A compressed folder mechanism is requested quite often, but it is not
high on our priority list. We feel that it is more cost effective (for
the University of Washington) to buy extra disks than to buy the extra
CPUs it would take to handle the compression/uncompression.

However, if someone would like to write a compressed folder driver, it
shouldn't take more than a couple hundred lines of code (plus the zip/unzip
code). Take a look at the file c-client/mbox.c for an example of a driver
that could be used as a pattern.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> I would like to see two things in the next version of PINE:
> *) A "fcc" entry in the address book.
> *) On the fly compression/decompression.
>
> I'd like the "fcc" entry because some mailing lists don't seem to always
> receive the letters to them and it would be nice to have a copy on hand.
> I don't want to "fcc" every message I send because disk space at this
> site is so limited.
>
> Again, because disk space is limited, it would be nice to see a way for
> pine to "gzip" its mail directories after reading them and to "gunzip"
> them when forming the index. Will a feature like this be supported in
> the mailcap entries? We'd like to create as few scripts as necessary.
>
> -= Chris =-
> [.Sig closed for repair]
> ([email protected]) ... ([email protected])
>

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I have a number of users who are having trouble with pico. All of these
users only experience this problem when using a modem to connect to our
DEC 5000/260 running Ultrix 4.3A. The problem is they cannot use the
return key or the backspace key. This is only a problem in pico. vi and
emacs as well as other programs function fine. Whenever they press
return or backspace, pico beeps and says unknown command. This is pico
2.3 and 1.8. Any and all help would be appreciated, thanks.

--
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From: Ran Ever-Hadani <[email protected]>
Subject: Give Us Handles (PGP, folder compression)
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On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> comfortable adding PGP support.

Then don't give us PGP directly. Have configuration variables called,
say, encrypt_cmd (for the user chosen encryption/verification program)
get_my_key_cmd (called by pine to get the user's private key -- this can
be bound to simply reading from a file or to uploading it from the user's
PC in case of a dial-in session) and get_their_key_cmd (to get some other
user's public key to verify their message or to encrypt messages sent to
them -- this would probably get bound to a program that accesses a public
key directory somewhere). Then add the commands Sign and Encrypt to the
message composer, Verify and Decrypt to the message reader. These
commands will be visible and activated only if the above variables are
set, and they will use these variables to know what to do. And then it is
the users' business what they binds their public key scheme to -- they can bind
it to Clipper if they like :)

The same approach can be taken as a temporary measure for folder
compression (which for me is very important). Have three configuration
variables: compress_cmd, uncompress_cmd and compressed_suffix (which for
gzip will be .gz).

The simplest initial implementation will be the following: in the folder
menu, there will be the command Compress which will compress the folder.
>From then on, the folder will be displayed in the folders' screen by its
compressed file name (say large.gz), and when it is chosen for open it
will be uncompressed. When such a folder is closed, the user will be
prompted with "compress folder large (y/n/^C)?" to decide whether this
folder is to be recompressed.

The above should be quite easy to implement; at a later stage, it may be a
good idea to actually incorporate gzip into pine, but this should not be
a high priority IMO.

-- Ran

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Ran Ever-Hadani <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Give Us Handles (PGP, folder compression)
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Ran,

Techniques for using PGP with the current release of Pine have been
discussed over the past few days. If you missed it, send me private mail
and I will forward you a copy.

As far as compression goes, by far the cleanest and easiest to implement
solution is to write a c-client driver for a compressed mailbox format.
As previously mentioned, we do not see a need for it on our systems,
therefore it is very low on our priority list.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> > comfortable adding PGP support.
>
> Then don't give us PGP directly. Have configuration variables called,
> say, encrypt_cmd (for the user chosen encryption/verification program)
> get_my_key_cmd (called by pine to get the user's private key -- this can
> be bound to simply reading from a file or to uploading it from the user's
> PC in case of a dial-in session) and get_their_key_cmd (to get some other
> user's public key to verify their message or to encrypt messages sent to
> them -- this would probably get bound to a program that accesses a public
> key directory somewhere). Then add the commands Sign and Encrypt to the
> message composer, Verify and Decrypt to the message reader. These
> commands will be visible and activated only if the above variables are
> set, and they will use these variables to know what to do. And then it is
> the users' business what they binds their public key scheme to -- they can bind
> it to Clipper if they like :)
>
> The same approach can be taken as a temporary measure for folder
> compression (which for me is very important). Have three configuration
> variables: compress_cmd, uncompress_cmd and compressed_suffix (which for
> gzip will be .gz).
>
> The simplest initial implementation will be the following: in the folder
> menu, there will be the command Compress which will compress the folder.
> From then on, the folder will be displayed in the folders' screen by its
> compressed file name (say large.gz), and when it is chosen for open it
> will be uncompressed. When such a folder is closed, the user will be
> prompted with "compress folder large (y/n/^C)?" to decide whether this
> folder is to be recompressed.
>
> The above should be quite easy to implement; at a later stage, it may be a
> good idea to actually incorporate gzip into pine, but this should not be
> a high priority IMO.
>
> -- Ran

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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> > > I would like to request a configurable wastebasket option.
> > > It would be nice if it worked like sent-mail where it is moved into
> > > individual monthly folders and optionally deleted.
> >
> > Perhaps I don't understand your question, but couldn't you do this with
> >
> > read-message-folder=trash
> > feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs
> >
> > in .pinerc? It wouldn't do the monthly thing, but you could write a
> > short script to do that in your .login file.

> I was wrong. I need a function equiv to auto-move-deleted-msgs
> to do what I want. I still need read messages to stay in inbox.
> Also, I only want deleted messages stored -- not ones I read and moved to
> another folder to save.

This doesn't seem possible for the current version of Pine. For now,
the best thing to do, I think, would be to get in the habit of saving
messages rather than deleting them. I think that this feature would
require lots of new code, as, currently, Pine makes no distinction
between messages which have been deleted because you saved them and
messages which have just plain been deleted.
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From: hussain <[email protected]>
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Does 3.89 support more than one postponed message? If not, how high is
that on the priority list? I'm just wondering, it's nothing essential.

Second, does ctrl-l (redraw the screen) force a check for new messages in
the INBOX or is it still 3 down arrows, past the last INBOX message (as
per thepine 3.85 tech docs?)

Thanks!

ps. pine's the best! everone here loves it!

____________________________________________________________________________
G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
[email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
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Washington University in St. Louis

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Hussain,

Pine 3.89 only supports one postponed message, but Mike is currently
working on the changes to support multiple postponed messages so they
should make it into 3.90.

Ctrl-L does force a check for new messages in Pine 3.89.

--DLM

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On Sat, 16 Apr 1994, hussain wrote:

>
> Does 3.89 support more than one postponed message? If not, how high is
> that on the priority list? I'm just wondering, it's nothing essential.
>
> Second, does ctrl-l (redraw the screen) force a check for new messages in
> the INBOX or is it still 3 down arrows, past the last INBOX message (as
> per thepine 3.85 tech docs?)
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> ps. pine's the best! everone here loves it!
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
>

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From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 16 Apr 1994, hussain wrote:
> Does 3.89 support more than one postponed message? If not, how high is
> that on the priority list? I'm just wondering, it's nothing essential.

I do multiple postponed messages like this:

1) Make sure your .pinerc file has an entry like feature-list=enable-suspend
or feature-list=old-growth
2) Postpone the 1st message.
3) Suspend Pine (^Z)
4) `cd ~/mail' (or your mail directory if you've changed it)
5) `mv postponed-mail p1' <-- if this is your second postponed message,
p2, etc.
6) `fg'
7) Now you can postpone another message.
8) To restore a previously postponed message:
a) Suspend Pine (^Z)
b) `cd ~/mail'
c) `mv p1 postponed-mail'
d) `fg'

It's not the most convienient method, but it works.
--
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Is there a way in pine to show a list of all folders that have unread
messages? Or a way to show only folders with messages?

Thanks,

-= Joe McDonald ([email protected]) =-

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I cab't recall if this has been mentioned before, but I would like to be
able to list mail folders by size, not just by alpha. I know there have
been requests for showing the number of messages of one type or another in a
folder, but I'm wondering if 1) this capability will be added to pine, or
2) someone knows how to add that capability.

thanx,
shy

P.S. Showing the number of messages in a folder would probably be roughly
the same thing, but also harder to implement, I would guess.

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Hello-
I've gotten the folloring error message, which is confusing the heck out
of me:
[502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye.]

I've searched the source code and the documentation, and I think this is
coming from the system. Anmyone have any idea what this means?

shy

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Shy,

This message is coming from an NNTP server that you do not have
permission to use. Check setting of news-collections in your .pinerc file.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Sun, 17 Apr 1994, Lawrence Absha III wrote:

>
> Hello-
> I've gotten the folloring error message, which is confusing the heck out
> of me:
> [502 You have no permission to talk. Goodbye.]
>
> I've searched the source code and the documentation, and I think this is
> coming from the system. Anmyone have any idea what this means?
>
> shy
>
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>

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Subject: Re: mail folder view by size
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Lawrence,

Unfortunately there is too much overhead in checking the size of remote
folders to be practical. Showing the number of messages is actually
easier to implement, since the primitives exist in IMAP/c-client to do
this easily. It still entails a considerable amount of overhead though...

Thanks for the suggestions!

--DLM

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On Sun, 17 Apr 1994, Lawrence Absha III wrote:

>
> I cab't recall if this has been mentioned before, but I would like to be
> able to list mail folders by size, not just by alpha. I know there have
> been requests for showing the number of messages of one type or another in a
> folder, but I'm wondering if 1) this capability will be added to pine, or
> 2) someone knows how to add that capability.
>
> thanx,
> shy
>
> P.S. Showing the number of messages in a folder would probably be roughly
> the same thing, but also harder to implement, I would guess.
>
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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine defaults and sendmail (again)
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I beleive I sent this message out once before but I have gotten no
responses, so I am reposting.

We have some users who subscribe to listservers and get lots of mail. We
have aliased these people's incoming mail folders to their home
directories and set the MAIL variable to point to that file. This
variable is documented in the sendmail (mail/Mail) documentation, but
apparently is ignored by PINE. What we currently have to do is for
people who want to use PINE is to manually edit the .pinerc file to point
to that file, which is an unneeded nuicance. Can PINE be written to use
the MAIL variable or is it already? How do we implement such a system?

Also, the other thing I forgot to mention is that MAIL isn't set for all
users, just those with non-standard mailboxes so the mail program can
find it. If we put incoming-messages=$MAIL in the .pinerc file when MAIL
is undefined, will PINE still use the system mailbox?

+=============================================================================+
| Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator |
| Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida |
| |
| E-Mail/MIME/finger: [email protected] |
+=============================================================================+

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: Pine List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine defaults and sendmail (again)
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Chris,

Try setting "inbox-path=$MAIL" in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf. This should work
as long as the file exists. If your MTA or other mail program deletes an
empty INBOX, you will get an error you would not get with inbox-path blank,
but other than that you should be OK. I haven't exhaustively checked that
unset environment variables are handled properly by all systems, but they
should just expand to NULL, which is fine for Pine...

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Sun, 17 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> I beleive I sent this message out once before but I have gotten no
> responses, so I am reposting.
>
> We have some users who subscribe to listservers and get lots of mail. We
> have aliased these people's incoming mail folders to their home
> directories and set the MAIL variable to point to that file. This
> variable is documented in the sendmail (mail/Mail) documentation, but
> apparently is ignored by PINE. What we currently have to do is for
> people who want to use PINE is to manually edit the .pinerc file to point
> to that file, which is an unneeded nuicance. Can PINE be written to use
> the MAIL variable or is it already? How do we implement such a system?
>
> Also, the other thing I forgot to mention is that MAIL isn't set for all
> users, just those with non-standard mailboxes so the mail program can
> find it. If we put incoming-messages=$MAIL in the .pinerc file when MAIL
> is undefined, will PINE still use the system mailbox?
>
> +=============================================================================+
> | Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator |
> | Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida |
> | |
> | E-Mail/MIME/finger: [email protected] |
> +=============================================================================+
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Joe,

Not yet, but we are starting to make some progress in that direction...

--DLM

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On Sat, 16 Apr 1994, Joe McDonald wrote:

> Is there a way in pine to show a list of all folders that have unread
> messages? Or a way to show only folders with messages?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> -= Joe McDonald ([email protected]) =-
>

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One thing that is a bit of a problem I've noticed is the "Send" key ("^X")
is RIGHT NEXT to the "Cancel" key ("^C"). Some people (well, at least
me!) get into the habit of typing fast, and sometimes miss a key.. Then
you type "Y" automatically and *POOF* there goes your message...

Perhaps using another key to initiate send might be nice??

Thanks,

Mike

+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are |
|NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily |
|[email protected] | reflect those of the NSI program, |
|+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

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Is anyone can say me where I could find the pine user's guide? (not
technical notes)

thanks in advance,

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Service a la clientele
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Hi!
I was wondering if there was any way to prioritize or restructure
the list of folders in the Folder List so the folders appear in an order,
alphebetically or otherwise.
Can this be done through the .pinerc or /usr/local/lib/pine.conf?

Hussain

____________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: RFD: comp.mail.pine (suggested charter) (fwd)
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This message is being posted to the pine-announce mailing list for Arnt
Gulbrandsen who is trying to organize a comp.mail.pine newsgroup. This
is a followup to a previous posting to pine-info, comp.mail.misc, and
news.groups. Please address followups to pine-info, one of the listed
groups, or [email protected].

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: 18 Apr 1994 21:23:18 +0200
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Well, there hasn't been much discussion. I don't want to say it too
clearly, but, ah, the level of interest doesn't convince me that the
group will carry.

Here's a suggested charter, anyway. If you have any comments, please
do it, and quickly. I've redirected followups into news.groups, if
you don't want to read that group you can reply via mail to me.

comp.mail.pine About the Pine mail user agent

Charter:
This group is for discussion about use and development of the Pine
mail/news user agent developed by the University of Washington. Any
Pine-related and Pine-specific discussion is acceptable, but general
discussion regarding e.g. MIME or incoming-mail filters is referred
to other, more appropriate newsgroups.
The group will not be moderated. To be made moderated, the same
voting procedures should be followed as for the creation of a new
group at that time.
The group will be bidirectionally gatewayed to the
[email protected] mailing list.

--Arnt

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Cc: [email protected]
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This has been pointed out a few times, but unfortunately it is far too
late to make that kind of fundamental change in the user interface. We
already got burned pretty bad on what we thought was a pretty minor
change for the prYnt command...

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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote:

> One thing that is a bit of a problem I've noticed is the "Send" key ("^X")
> is RIGHT NEXT to the "Cancel" key ("^C"). Some people (well, at least
> me!) get into the habit of typing fast, and sometimes miss a key.. Then
> you type "Y" automatically and *POOF* there goes your message...
>
> Perhaps using another key to initiate send might be nice??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
> +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are |
> |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily |
> |[email protected] | reflect those of the NSI program, |
> |+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. |
> +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
>
>

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From: Omi Chandiramani <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Another modest modification to Pine...
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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote:

> One thing that is a bit of a problem I've noticed is the "Send" key ("^X")
> is RIGHT NEXT to the "Cancel" key ("^C"). Some people (well, at least
> me!) get into the habit of typing fast, and sometimes miss a key.. Then
> you type "Y" automatically and *POOF* there goes your message...
>
> Perhaps using another key to initiate send might be nice??
>

I used to have the same problem a few months ago and then I just
got used to pressing Return after pressing ^X. If I had successfully
pressed X then the message would be sent, the default for Send being to
send the message, and if i had pressed C by mistake I'd be back into
compose mode, the default action for Cancel being NOT to cancel the
message.

Pico without ^X, would be like Emacs without ^X^C; it just wouldnt be the
same again!

Omi Chandiramani
[email protected]

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Mike,

That is another user-support nightmare we don't want to get any where near.
If anything programmable definitions are even more of a support nightmare
than a static change...

Thanks for the followup!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote:

> I figured as much... However, would it be possible (well, probable...)
> to include programmable key definitions in some future release? That way
> a user with exceedingly fat fingers (like me) could customize the
> interface around things like this while leaving the vanilla interface alone.
>
> Thanks for a great product!
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > This has been pointed out a few times, but unfortunately it is far too
> > late to make that kind of fundamental change in the user interface. We
> > already got burned pretty bad on what we thought was a pretty minor
> > change for the prYnt command...
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote:
> >
> > > One thing that is a bit of a problem I've noticed is the "Send" key ("^X")
> > > is RIGHT NEXT to the "Cancel" key ("^C"). Some people (well, at least
> > > me!) get into the habit of typing fast, and sometimes miss a key.. Then
> > > you type "Y" automatically and *POOF* there goes your message...
> > >
> > > Perhaps using another key to initiate send might be nice??
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> > > |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are |
> > > |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily |
> > > |[email protected] | reflect those of the NSI program, |
> > > |+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. |
> > > +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are |
> |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily |
> |[email protected] | reflect those of the NSI program, |
> |+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. |
> +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
>

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From: "Michael C. Newell" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Another modest modification to Pine...
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I figured as much... However, would it be possible (well, probable...)
to include programmable key definitions in some future release? That way
a user with exceedingly fat fingers (like me) could customize the
interface around things like this while leaving the vanilla interface alone.

Thanks for a great product!

Mike

On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> This has been pointed out a few times, but unfortunately it is far too
> late to make that kind of fundamental change in the user interface. We
> already got burned pretty bad on what we thought was a pretty minor
> change for the prYnt command...
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote:
>
> > One thing that is a bit of a problem I've noticed is the "Send" key ("^X")
> > is RIGHT NEXT to the "Cancel" key ("^C"). Some people (well, at least
> > me!) get into the habit of typing fast, and sometimes miss a key.. Then
> > you type "Y" automatically and *POOF* there goes your message...
> >
> > Perhaps using another key to initiate send might be nice??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> > |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are |
> > |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily |
> > |[email protected] | reflect those of the NSI program, |
> > |+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. |
> > +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
> >
> >
>

+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are |
|NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily |
|[email protected] | reflect those of the NSI program, |
|+1-202-434-8954 | NASA, my employer, or anyone else. |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote:
> One thing that is a bit of a problem I've noticed is the "Send" key ("^X")
> is RIGHT NEXT to the "Cancel" key ("^C").

> Perhaps using another key to initiate send might be nice??
>

Like, maybe, ^S (S for "send")? Be careful when you start mucking about
with key bindings like that. We had a problem on our campus with new
unix (and pine) users hitting ^S, and subsequently complaining that their
sessions just "locked up". ^S, you may recall, is normally the XOFF
character, which is _SUPPOSED_ to "lock up" the terminal. And ^Q is
bound to XON....... Most of the rest of the function keys already have
bindings within pine. What would you suggest they move it to? Or
perhaps you should consider starting pine with the switch (I forget
which one it is) that maps essential functions to F keys.

--
Gene Trantham
University of Arkansas

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Has anyone made pine 3.89 work on a Sequent Balance 8000 system? If so I
would like to know what changes were necessary. I am running Dynix 3.1.4
(not Dynix/ptx) which is a BSD4.3 flavor of UNIX.

Thanks
Jon Falconer

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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote:

> One thing that is a bit of a problem I've noticed is the "Send" key ("^X")
> is RIGHT NEXT to the "Cancel" key ("^C"). Some people (well, at least
> me!) get into the habit of typing fast, and sometimes miss a key.. Then
> you type "Y" automatically and *POOF* there goes your message...
>
> Perhaps using another key to initiate send might be nice??

Oh, let's not change those keystrokes too often. Now people are
used to ^X as send. If they change it now, that will confuse everyone
else and we'll have to get used to something else (e,g, ^S, which will
lock up some folks' keyboards, or ^O (for get that *O*ut of here), which
some people will think should postpone the message) etc.

--

Dr. Richard Lee [email protected]
Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 [email protected]
University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826
Fayetteville, AR 72701

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From: Jim Davis <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Jon Falconer wrote:

> Has anyone made pine 3.89 work on a Sequent Balance 8000 system? If so I
> would like to know what changes were necessary. I am running Dynix 3.1.4
> (not Dynix/ptx) which is a BSD4.3 flavor of UNIX.

I got it going on a S81 running Dynix 3.2.0; it was pretty
straightforward. If you'd like I could send you the diffs.

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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There is no way to change the ordering, except in the incoming-folders
collection which follows the order in the .pinerc entry (oops, that's
what 3.90 will do, sorry ;)

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, g.h.chinoy wrote:

> Hi!
> I was wondering if there was any way to prioritize or restructure
> the list of folders in the Folder List so the folders appear in an order,
> alphebetically or otherwise.
> Can this be done through the .pinerc or /usr/local/lib/pine.conf?
>
> Hussain
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> G. Hussain Chinoy Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab
> [email protected] Cupples I, Room 213
> 314.935.4353
> Washington University in St. Louis
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Helene,

There is not currently an official "Pine user's guide." About the closest
thing we have at this time is the online help. There is a pretty good
chapter on Pine in the "Instant Internet" book, and our documentation group
is working on a "getting started with Pine" pamplet, but I don't think it is
quite done yet. There are also some tutorials done by other sites, but
we don't have anything current from them...

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Helene Bouley wrote:

>
> Is anyone can say me where I could find the pine user's guide? (not
> technical notes)
>
> thanks in advance,
>
>
>
>
> Helene Bouley
> Analyste
> Service a la clientele
> Universite du Quebec a Montreal
> Tel: 987-3124
> Fax: 987-7098
> E-mail: [email protected]

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Philip,

What command does it say is unknown? It should be listed in the error
message.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Philip Enteles wrote:

>
> I have a number of users who are having trouble with pico. All of these
> users only experience this problem when using a modem to connect to our
> DEC 5000/260 running Ultrix 4.3A. The problem is they cannot use the
> return key or the backspace key. This is only a problem in pico. vi and
> emacs as well as other programs function fine. Whenever they press
> return or backspace, pico beeps and says unknown command. This is pico
> 2.3 and 1.8. Any and all help would be appreciated, thanks.
>
> --
> Philip Enteles Network Administrator
> [email protected] University of California, Berkeley
> 510-642-4436 "Oh...Mercy, Mercy me...."

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Well, it's a start. Unfortunately it appears to only be available for export
in binary form on a few platforms. Where does that leave our users of
Convex, Linux and 25 or so other platforms that binaries are not available
for?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Ian Dunkin wrote:

>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > There are some legal and political roadblocks to be passed before we would be
> > comfortable adding PGP support.
>
> Might RSA's recent announcement (below) that their RIPEM/SIG digital
> signature software is now free and exportable come in somewhere here, in
> the area of support for such signatures in Pine? I gather this is
> possible because they got a "commodities jurisdiction" ruling that the
> software falls under the Commerce Department's jurisdiction as opposed
> to the State Department and thus allows it to be freely and legally
> exported.
>
> ?I.
>
> --
> Ian Dunkin <[email protected]>
> --
>
> o /
> -----------------------------x------------------------------------------
> O \
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Charlie,

There are some definite inconsistencies in what folder names are allowed
currently. Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Thu, 14 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Joe Brennan wrote:
> >
> > I see the save command (when viewing a message) lets me save to a file
> > named *. One of our users did this by accident, and decided to fix it
> > afterwards by doing rm mail/*, and even though we have rm aliased to
> > rm -i, he told it OK to do it.
> >
> > * is an unlikely filename to want; some other special characters would
> > also be "fun" for novices to handle in filenames. Do you all feel like
> > imposing a character test for file creation?
>
> ^R wouldn't let me type in "/mnt/a:" - it baulked at the ":". That's a bug.
>
> Charlie Brady * (W) [email protected] * (H) [email protected]
> "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
> but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
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Matt,

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:

> I'm new to this list, so I hope I not bringing up topics you've all seen
> a hundred times. There's got to be a way to trap the Quit signal. KBLock
> is useless if it will defer to Quit. I would consider losing the ability
> to "Emergency Exit" while the keyboard is locked a small price compared
> to having a insecure keyboard lock command that some might consider
> secure. As Phil Zimmerman said in the PGP Documentation, wrongly used
> encryption is often less privacy protecting than not using encryption at
> all (actually, when he said it, it was good English, but you get the
> idea). The same goes for the KBLock command.
> --
> Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
> [email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you
>

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From: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> There is not currently an official "Pine user's guide." About the closest
> thing we have at this time is the online help. There is a pretty good
> chapter on Pine in the "Instant Internet" book, and our documentation group
> is working on a "getting started with Pine" pamplet, but I don't think it is
> quite done yet. There are also some tutorials done by other sites, but
> we don't have anything current from them...
>
> --DLM

Hi folks. I've been a little hesitant about publicizing this, but I have
a set of pine docs that's being tossed around U-Mich. It's a beginner's
guide to Pine. Although it does have some things that are specifically
meant for my school (UM school of Natural Resources and Environment), I
could remove them and distribute a PS version. Mind you it's not as
comprehensive as the Pine online help, but from experience, i've found
that it does cover about 90% of my users' questions.

It was spawned out of a need for some "quickie" pine docs. I originally
intended to have it be 1 page both sides, but I quickly found that writing
docs takes longer than I thought. After about 2 weeks, It's final form
ended up being 10 pages, and now it's 13. It's written for the computer
novice. I tried to stay away from using technical language. For anyone
who's been using pine for more than a month, it'll be mostly review.
Nevertheless, I've had to move 40 or so people over to pine since
February, and this doc has worked so far. I've had people at the U say
that they worked for their departments too.

I'm working on the latest revision (touching up some of the new stuff I
wrote yesterday), But if you send me email ([email protected]) , I can
forward off a PS file pretty soon (couple of days). I'd do it sooner,
but I got finals this week... UUGH. :(

Oh yeah, There's a plain text version on
gopher.snre.umich.edu (in the "SNRE Computer Documentation") section.

And on:
http://www.snre.umich.edu/snre/pine.intro.html

NOTE, both of these are the old versions. I'd ask that you don't print a
copy because i'm working on a new set. (but that's just a request).

Have fun.

..alex...

Alex Tang --- [email protected]@UMICHUM.BITNET
-----------+ UM-SNRE: Student, Computer Consultant III, & SysAdmin
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Jon,

I had pine3.89 running on a Sequent Balance machine running Dynix
3.0.12. However, I have since upgraded to PTX and do not recall all the
changes I had to make. But, you are not fighting a winless battle - it
is possible.

Lisa Frye [email protected]
Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634

"You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."

On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Jon Falconer wrote:

> Has anyone made pine 3.89 work on a Sequent Balance 8000 system? If so I
> would like to know what changes were necessary. I am running Dynix 3.1.4
> (not Dynix/ptx) which is a BSD4.3 flavor of UNIX.
>
> Thanks
> Jon Falconer
>

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I can see no problem with allowing +users+ to reprogram keys. The
problem would be with administrators doing so, since users on the
affected systems would need to be quite sophisticated before they would
be able to discern the character of the change and thus at the mercy of
bad documentation, inappropriate changes, etc. etc.

I spoze its impossible to imagine a keyboard mapping routine that was
offlimits to system operators and available to individual accounts.
Violates a basic law of nature or something. Maybe such a beast is
available in unix in some form that could be used as an interface between
the keyboard and pine. I type ^S (for send), the "black box" hears ^S
and is set up to transmit ^X, pine "hears" ^X. (And of course ^S doesn't
do whatever ^S is supposed to do when pine is running -- suspend I/O? --
and that function isn't available to me unless I have remapped some other
key into that function.)

Many wordprocessors have facilities like this built in. If there were a
way of doing it for unix operations, I would map the keyboard to be more
like WordPerfect because that's what I use all the time when off-line; in
particular the PageUp PageDown Home and End keys.

But I don't think this facility should be pine-specific. I should just
be possible to use it with pine (and other useful programs) if available.

02

Putnam Barber
Seattle

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On Sat, 16 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:

> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 13:25:55 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
> To: James Dryfoos <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Wastebasket request
>
> On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:
> > > On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> > > > I would like to request a configurable wastebasket option.
> > > > It would be nice if it worked like sent-mail where it is moved into
> > > > individual monthly folders and optionally deleted.
> > >
> > > Perhaps I don't understand your question, but couldn't you do this with
> > >
> > > read-message-folder=trash
> > > feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs
> > >
> > > in .pinerc? It wouldn't do the monthly thing, but you could write a
> > > short script to do that in your .login file.
>
> > I was wrong. I need a function equiv to auto-move-deleted-msgs
> > to do what I want. I still need read messages to stay in inbox.
> > Also, I only want deleted messages stored -- not ones I read and moved to
> > another folder to save.
>
> This doesn't seem possible for the current version of Pine. For now,
> the best thing to do, I think, would be to get in the habit of saving
> messages rather than deleting them. I think that this feature would
> require lots of new code, as, currently, Pine makes no distinction
> between messages which have been deleted because you saved them and
> messages which have just plain been deleted.
> --
> Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
> [email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you
>

Good point. Perhaps what would be useful here is a moved (or saved)
flag. Instead of morking messages that were saved into another folder as
deleted, perhaps they can be marked as moved (which would still mean
deleted from this folder).

-- Jim

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Having used, to date, mailers and posters that put my sig after everything,
even the copy of the mailer I am replying to, I am very used to that as my
mail format. I don't really like the feel of having my sig seperate my note
from the copy to which I am replying. Is there any way to put a line in my
pinerc to tell pine that I want it to stick my sig _after_everything_ rather
than seperating my note from the reply copy?

Also, is there a way to set my word wrap so that it doesn't wrap so quickly.
When I use vi, I use the command "set wm=1" so that I can use as much of the
page as possible. That's just me. But, I would like to know how to tell pine
that I want to wrap on the last character, and not before that. Can anyone
fill me in?

Thanks...
****************************************************************************
! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "It amazes me the will of instinct" !
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On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> Having used, to date, mailers and posters that put my sig after everything,
[bandwidth reduction act of 1994 implemented]

Add signature-at-bottom to the feature-list in your .pinerc.

> Also, is there a way to set my word wrap so that it doesn't wrap so quickly.
[bandwidth reduction act of 1994 implemented]

Don't know.

> ****************************************************************************
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
> ****************************************************************************

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Morking files ? Shazbat...

I think this is starting to get a teensy bit ridiculous. Perhaps
it would be neater to implement saving in another folder as a move (ie.
it disappears from the INBOX or whatever immediately) and have a function
that works on messages marked as deleted.

N.

Norman R McBride, Computer Support
(+44) 71 477 8187 -=- [email protected]
F1419, City University Business School, Frobisher Crescent, London EC2Y 8HB.

On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 13:25:55 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
> > To: James Dryfoos <[email protected]>
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Wastebasket request
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> > > On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, James Dryfoos wrote:
> > > > > I would like to request a configurable wastebasket option.
> > > > > It would be nice if it worked like sent-mail where it is moved into
> > > > > individual monthly folders and optionally deleted.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps I don't understand your question, but couldn't you do this with
> > > >
> > > > read-message-folder=trash
> > > > feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs
> > > >
> > > > in .pinerc? It wouldn't do the monthly thing, but you could write a
> > > > short script to do that in your .login file.
> >
> > > I was wrong. I need a function equiv to auto-move-deleted-msgs
> > > to do what I want. I still need read messages to stay in inbox.
> > > Also, I only want deleted messages stored -- not ones I read and moved to
> > > another folder to save.
> >
> > This doesn't seem possible for the current version of Pine. For now,
> > the best thing to do, I think, would be to get in the habit of saving
> > messages rather than deleting them. I think that this feature would
> > require lots of new code, as, currently, Pine makes no distinction
> > between messages which have been deleted because you saved them and
> > messages which have just plain been deleted.
> > --
> > Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
> > [email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you
> >
>
> Good point. Perhaps what would be useful here is a moved (or saved)
> flag. Instead of morking messages that were saved into another folder as
> deleted, perhaps they can be marked as moved (which would still mean
> deleted from this folder).
>
> -- Jim
>
>
> ==========================================================================
> James D. Dryfoos | [email protected]
> MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 |
> 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office
> Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax
> ==========================================================================
>

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From: "Erik C. Thauvin" <[email protected]>
Subject: "Reply-To:" in Pine 3.89 (SunOS 4.1.3)
To: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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Is anybody aware of a way to manually/automatically set the mail header's
"Reply-To:" field in pine?

Thanks,

E.

--
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[email protected] | For Everyday Problems. | P.O. Box 560894
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: "Erik C. Thauvin" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: "Reply-To:" in Pine 3.89 (SunOS 4.1.3)
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Reply-To is not supported in Pine 3.89 but will be in Pine 3.90.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Erik C. Thauvin wrote:

> Is anybody aware of a way to manually/automatically set the mail header's
> "Reply-To:" field in pine?
>
> Thanks,
>
> E.
>
>
> --
> Erik C. Thauvin | Custom Software Solutions | Raven Systems Limited
> [email protected] | For Everyday Problems. | P.O. Box 560894
> +1 (206) 747-9819 | | Orlando, FL 32856, USA
> URL= file://eskimo.com/ravensys/www/raven.html
>
>

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From: "Erik C. Thauvin" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: "Reply-To:" in Pine 3.89 (SunOS 4.1.3)
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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David,

When do you expect to have 3.90 ready for public consumption?

Thanks,

E.

--
Erik C. Thauvin | Custom Software Solutions | Raven Systems Limited
[email protected] | For Everyday Problems. | P.O. Box 560894
+1 (206) 747-9819 | | Orlando, FL 32856, USA
URL= file://eskimo.com/ravensys/www/raven.html

On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Reply-To is not supported in Pine 3.89 but will be in Pine 3.90.
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Erik C. Thauvin wrote:
>
> > Is anybody aware of a way to manually/automatically set the mail header's
> > "Reply-To:" field in pine?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > E.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Erik C. Thauvin | Custom Software Solutions | Raven Systems Limited
> > [email protected] | For Everyday Problems. | P.O. Box 560894
> > +1 (206) 747-9819 | | Orlando, FL 32856, USA
> > URL= file://eskimo.com/ravensys/www/raven.html
> >
> >
>

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On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> Having used, to date, mailers and posters that put my sig after everything,
> even the copy of the mailer I am replying to, I am very used to that as my
> mail format. I don't really like the feel of having my sig seperate my note
> from the copy to which I am replying. Is there any way to put a line in my
> .pinerc to tell pine that I want it to stick my sig _after_everything_ rather
> than seperating my note from the reply copy?

I have requested this before, and would still like to see this implemented.
(That's one more vote, btw <g>)

+=============================================================================+
| Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator |
| Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida |
| |
| E-Mail/MIME/finger: [email protected] |
+=============================================================================+

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: Compiling pine on HP-UX 9.0
To: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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Hi,

Wanted to find any information on compiling pine for HP-UX 9.0x. I tried
to use "build hpp", but, as I thought would happen since this port was
not documented as useful for 9.0, I had major problems. Not knowing
enough about tracking these problems down, I was hoping for some help.

Any comments on this matter would be very much appreciated...

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! "Jesus, I must be crazy to be in a !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! looney bin like this!" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Jack Nicholson !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! One flew over the cuckoo's nest !
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Compiling pine on HP-UX 9.0
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The HP port of Pine 3.89 was tested exclusively on an HP/UX 9.0.1
system. What kind of problems are you having?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Wanted to find any information on compiling pine for HP-UX 9.0x. I tried
> to use "build hpp", but, as I thought would happen since this port was
> not documented as useful for 9.0, I had major problems. Not knowing
> enough about tracking these problems down, I was hoping for some help.
>
> Any comments on this matter would be very much appreciated...
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! "Jesus, I must be crazy to be in a !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! looney bin like this!" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Jack Nicholson !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! One flew over the cuckoo's nest !
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>

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From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Subject: pine and the date
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Hi,
I am running pine3.89 on Esix SVR4 with a NetBSD0.9 system as the
mail server. Some of my users have been complaining that pine doesn't
attach the proper date to the messages they send. What could be the cause
of this? What can I do to correct this?

Rick Gaine

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: "Lisa M. Frye" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Security on PC-Pine
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Lisa,

We will continue to tune security on all versions of Pine, but there is not
much you can do to prevent someone with a desire from forging mail. About
all we can do is not make it easier than it is without Pine.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 11 Apr 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote:

>
> What is the statis of security on PC-pine. In particular, is anything
> planned for development that will prevent a user from walking up to a PC,
> running PC-pine and sending mail as the user logged into the PC?
>
> Or, what are other sites doing to help prevent or curb this possibility?
>
>
> Lisa Frye [email protected]
> Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
> Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474
> Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634
>
> "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."
>

From [email protected] Wed Apr 20 18:24:26 1994
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From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
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Subject: How do you change domain name?
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Bear with me, this is not as simple as you probably think ...

In my .pinerc file:
user-domain=umich.edu
use-only-domain-name=yes

I've also tried with use-only-domain-name=no.

Here's the problem. When I subscribe to a listserv or listproc mailing
list, the listserver figures out my real domain name (which is
engin.umich.edu) and registers me with that address. I prefer to get my
mail through our X.500 gateway (umich.edu).

Are there more .pinerc entries than are documented in the .pinerc file?
Such as, perhaps, local-domain? What motivates my question is a few
lines I saw in .pine-debugX.

---------- .pine-debug1 (excerpt)
Userid: messina
Fullname: "Matt Messina"
User domain name being used "umich.edu"
Local Domain name being used "engin.umich.edu"
Host name being used "azure.engin.umich.edu"
Mail Domain name being used "umich.edu"
---------- .pine-debug1 (excerpt)

Somehow, the Local Domain seems to be escaping, although I'd like to hide
it from the listservers. Is there a way to stop this? Thanks for any help.
--
Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
[email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you

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From: Dan Mandell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Compiling pine on HP-UX 9.0
To: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
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Compiled straight out for us on Series 9000, Model 827 running HPUX 9.00.

Dan

On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Wanted to find any information on compiling pine for HP-UX 9.0x. I tried
> to use "build hpp", but, as I thought would happen since this port was
> not documented as useful for 9.0, I had major problems. Not knowing
> enough about tracking these problems down, I was hoping for some help.
>
> Any comments on this matter would be very much appreciated...
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! "Jesus, I must be crazy to be in a !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! looney bin like this!" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Jack Nicholson !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! One flew over the cuckoo's nest !
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>

--
=====================================
Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College
Internet: [email protected]

"Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times

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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Andrew B. Sweger wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Bruce Mahfood wrote:
>
> > Having used, to date, mailers and posters that put my sig after everything,
> [bandwidth reduction act of 1994 implemented]
>
> Add signature-at-bottom to the feature-list in your .pinerc.
[General love of ^K applied]

Since I have lost the similar reply to my own mail, I would like to
slightly clarify: When you reply to a file, signature-at-bottom works
fine. If, however, you FORWARD a file, your signature appears at the
beginning, regardless of the signature-at-bottom setting. Perhaps we
should have two variables to choose from:
signature-at-bottom (for compatibility)
signature-at-bottom2 (for forwards.)

Granted, #2 isn't very clear, but is there a better suggestion than
signature-at-bottom-for-forwards-too?

+=============================================================================+
| Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator |
| Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida |
| |
| E-Mail/MIME/finger: [email protected] |
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On Apr 21, 1:29am, Christopher \AWOL\ Curtis wrote:

> When you reply to a file, signature-at-bottom works
> fine. If, however, you FORWARD a file, your signature appears at the
> beginning, regardless of the signature-at-bottom setting.

Yes, this is starting to drive me batty...

Cheers,

>>-Darci->

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Subject: Re: Compiling pine on HP-UX 9.0
From: Jason Thorpe <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 23:45:01 PDT

On Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:37:19 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Wanted to find any information on compiling pine for HP-UX 9.0x. I tried
> to use "build hpp", but, as I thought would happen since this port was
> not documented as useful for 9.0, I had major problems. Not knowing
> enough about tracking these problems down, I was hoping for some help.
>
> Any comments on this matter would be very much appreciated...

It built out of the box for me on:
hp-ux 8.03 on 9000/845
hp-ux 9.00 on 9000/433
hp-ux 9.01 on 9000/735
hp-ux 9.03 on 9000/712-80i

No warnings...The port was as close to perfect as you can get...

>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! "Jesus, I must be crazy to be in a !
> ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! looney bin like this!" !
> ! 304 Vassar St. ! Jack Nicholson !
> ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! One flew over the cuckoo's nest !
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>

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Could this be a case of the unbundled C compiler vs.the bundled one?
--
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On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Jason Thorpe wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:37:19 -0400 (EDT)
> Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Wanted to find any information on compiling pine for HP-UX 9.0x. I tried
> > to use "build hpp", but, as I thought would happen since this port was
> > not documented as useful for 9.0, I had major problems. Not knowing
> > enough about tracking these problems down, I was hoping for some help.
> >
> > Any comments on this matter would be very much appreciated...
>
> It built out of the box for me on:
> hp-ux 8.03 on 9000/845
> hp-ux 9.00 on 9000/433
> hp-ux 9.01 on 9000/735
> hp-ux 9.03 on 9000/712-80i
>
> No warnings...The port was as close to perfect as you can get...
>
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > ! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! "Jesus, I must be crazy to be in a !
> > ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! looney bin like this!" !
> > ! 304 Vassar St. ! Jack Nicholson !
> > ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! One flew over the cuckoo's nest !
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jason R. Thorpe [email protected] 737-9533
> OSU CS Support CSWest Room 12 737-5567
> 'These are my opinions and not necessarily those of anyone else.'
> NetBSD/Symmetry - Coming soon to a Sequent near you!
>

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Subject: Cookie Recipe
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<Lots of headers removed from this one, but read on.>

From: US4RMC::"[email protected]" "'Ken Salzberg' (by way of
[email protected] (Ray Salemi))" 13-APR-1994 10:27:28.77

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 23:43:48 -0700 (MST)
> From: Arthur Galus <[email protected]>
> *********************
> To: AFC Leni

> Posted on: System

> Date: 3/25/94 9:41 AM
> I'm passing this recipe along from another list I'm on...power to the cookie
> people-- [email protected]
> Originally From: Shawn Considine
> Great Cookie Recipe Boondoggle
> My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas
> & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie
> lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". It was so excellent
> that I asked if they would give me the recipe and they said with a small
> frown, "I'm afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With
> a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two
> fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my tab.
> Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it
> was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two
> salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the
> statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe - $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called
> Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty,"
> and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to
> take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but
> because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could
> duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the bill would stand. I waited,
> thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back.
> I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I'm going to have
> $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every
> cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for
> nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "I'm sorry but
> this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I will.
> So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies....I
> paid for it; now you can have it for free. (Recipe may be halved.):

> 2 cups butter 4 cups flower
> 2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar
> 5 cups blended oatmeal** 24 oz. chocolate chips
> 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt
> 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs
> 2 tsp. baking powder 3 cups chopped nuts
> 2 tsp. vanilla (your choice)

> Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with
> flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey
> Bar and nuts.
> Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10
> minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies.
> ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
> Have fun!!! This is not a joke --- this is a true story..
> That's it. Please, pass it
> along to everyone you know, single
> people, mailing lists, etc.....
--

From [email protected] Thu Apr 21 14:52:18 1994
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From: This Space For Rent <[email protected]>
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Ugh.

While I'm told that the recipe does in fact make good cookies, the story is
completely bogus-- I've heard that exact same tale told regarding Mrs.
Field's cookies & Famous Amos cookies...same amount, same recipe, in fact
I think some of the text was the same. This is probably in the
alt.folklore.urban FAQ...but regardless...it is just an entertaining tale
tale.

What it has to do with Pine I'm not sure <g>

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If this is acceptable use NOT then maybe everyone could send in gif's of
the last automobile bill they received where they think they were
hosed. For God's sake may seek professional help.

From [email protected] Thu Apr 21 16:36:29 1994
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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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What's this have to do with Pine?

I suppose you could replace the chocolate chips iwth diced pinecones or
something.......

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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To: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: pine and the date
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Richard,

Is it just a problem with Daylight Savings time or is it worse than that?

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote:

> Hi,
> I am running pine3.89 on Esix SVR4 with a NetBSD0.9 system as the
> mail server. Some of my users have been complaining that pine doesn't
> attach the proper date to the messages they send. What could be the cause
> of this? What can I do to correct this?
>
> Rick Gaine
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 16:37:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How do you change domain name?
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Matt,

If user-domain is set, use-only-domain is ignored. I think the problem is
that listproc incorrectly uses the Sender: header instead of the From: or
Reply-To: header. We have not yet figured out how to completely solve the
"listproc problem" ourselves...

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:

> Bear with me, this is not as simple as you probably think ...
>
> In my .pinerc file:
> user-domain=umich.edu
> use-only-domain-name=yes
>
> I've also tried with use-only-domain-name=no.
>
> Here's the problem. When I subscribe to a listserv or listproc mailing
> list, the listserver figures out my real domain name (which is
> engin.umich.edu) and registers me with that address. I prefer to get my
> mail through our X.500 gateway (umich.edu).
>
> Are there more .pinerc entries than are documented in the .pinerc file?
> Such as, perhaps, local-domain? What motivates my question is a few
> lines I saw in .pine-debugX.
>
> ---------- .pine-debug1 (excerpt)
> Userid: messina
> Fullname: "Matt Messina"
> User domain name being used "umich.edu"
> Local Domain name being used "engin.umich.edu"
> Host name being used "azure.engin.umich.edu"
> Mail Domain name being used "umich.edu"
> ---------- .pine-debug1 (excerpt)
>
> Somehow, the Local Domain seems to be escaping, although I'd like to hide
> it from the listservers. Is there a way to stop this? Thanks for any help.
> --
> Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
> [email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you
>

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From: Sharon Deng <[email protected]>
Subject: Stop sending junk ==> Re: Cookie Recipe (fwd)
To: Pine Info Group <[email protected]>
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Hi, Pine People:

I hope everybody in this group will keep a professional manner. Please
don't send anything which is not related to the Pine-info to this mail
list. We all belong to this group to help each other and help to improve
the Pine system, NOT to discuss some kind of cookie recipes.

Thank you for supporting.

Sharon Deng
Assistant Director Internet: [email protected]
Academic Computer Center [email protected]
University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963

Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 18:58:21 -0400 (EDT)
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Cc: Susan <[email protected]>, pinelist <[email protected]>,
Peter Milburn <[email protected]>,
Cliff Manis <[email protected]>, Danny Lidawer <[email protected]>,
Rona Levin <[email protected]>,
Chanan <[email protected]>, Larry Raphael <[email protected]>,
Juhasz Alex <[email protected]>,
Dana Schnider <[email protected]>,
Sheldon Clare <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Cookie Recipe

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when away for extended period of time without access for remote login or
mail forward how does one prevent the accumulation of voluminous mail
messages. man pine didn't generate ideas. using pine 3.87
any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.

[email protected] |thinking is the best way to travel

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The best tool for automatic mail processing that's ever crossed my path is
procmail. See if your site doesn't have it yet.

> when away for extended period of time without access for remote login or
> mail forward how does one prevent the accumulation of voluminous mail
> messages. man pine didn't generate ideas.

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Hi,

just implemented procmail, and wanted to test my recipe in .procmailrc.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! "Jesus, I must be crazy to be in a !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! looney bin like this!" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Jack Nicholson !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! One flew over the cuckoo's nest !
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: Test 2
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Sorry, but the first test didn't work. My last test...

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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! Cambridge Technology Partners ! looney bin like this!" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Jack Nicholson !
! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! One flew over the cuckoo's nest !
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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On Apr 21, 23:53, Bruce Mahfood wrote:
> Subject: Test 2
>
> Sorry, but the first test didn't work. My last test...
>

You don't have to send mail to test procmail.

You can just use formail to pipe each message from an
existing folder to procmail. Something like:

cat folder | formail -s procmail ...

- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) <[email protected]>
- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics

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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 03:58:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William D. Kramp" <[email protected]>
Subject: Use of Wyse50/60 terminals with Pine
To: support group pine-info <[email protected]>
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I was wondering if any sites use wyse terminals with pine, and what
termcap and/or patches they have made. I caught the part in the manual
about UofW not being able to support the various keyboard mappings for
cursor control, but I have several users that can't move from Wyse to VT
terminals.

If people have tried to get Wyse's to work, and failed, I would also
appreciate that feedback as well. I am getting pressure to make the
Wyse's work. One common mailer package to support would be nice, but I
might have to do two :-(

+===============================================================+
| Bill Kramp - System Admin. Finger Lakes Community College |
| [email protected] |
+===============================================================+

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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 23:13:03 +0000 (GMT+0700)
From: Prem Sumetpong <[email protected]>
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Dear friends,
I apologize for the double mail (mistakingly cc'ed to pine-info). I
wanted to press ^C but missed and pressed ^X ? hmm.. now I see the
problem the 2 keys being so close can cause.

Thankyou
PRem

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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 23:09:34 +0000 (GMT+0700)
From: Prem Sumetpong <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Use of VT320 terminals with Pine
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Hi,
Will pine3.90 support the use of vt320 terminals ?

Thankyou
Prem
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From: John Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Use of Wyse50/60 terminals with Pine
To: "William D. Kramp" <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 22 Apr 1994, William D. Kramp wrote:

> I was wondering if any sites use wyse terminals with pine, and what
> termcap and/or patches they have made. I caught the part in the manual
> about UofW not being able to support the various keyboard mappings for
> cursor control, but I have several users that can't move from Wyse to VT
> terminals.

We had to comment out the highlighting capabilities since the WYSE's
rudely use up a screen cell for the mode change. This is mentioned
I think in the Pine Tech Notes. Anyway, from SunOS:

# se/so null so that wyse50 will work with Pine, jm dr, 1/92.
ye|wyse50|Dumb Wyse 50 in Wyse mode:\
:al=\EE:am:bs:bt=\EI:cd=\EY:ce=\ET:cl=^Z:cm=\E=%+ %+ :co#80:\
:da:db:dc=\EW:dl=\ER:ei=\Er:im=\Eq:is=\E`\072\200\EC\EDF\E'\E(:\
:kd=^J:kl=^H:kr=^L:ku=^K:li#24:nd=^L:up=^K:\
:sg#1:sr=\Ej:ho=^^:ug#1:\
:us=:ue=:so=:se=:\
:if=/usr/share/lib/tabset/stdcrt:

JM

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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Folder Locks ...
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I often use Pine remotely by modem and suspend it with a ^Z
signal. Without fail, I end up re-executing pine in the same
session. The second copy of pine tries to get a file lock from
the first, but is unable, so loads itself in "readonly" mode.
This is fine; I quit and go back to the first instance of pine.
However, this session has also become "readonly." This is not a
major problem for me, but I was just wondering why both sessions
became read only when neither of them had a file lock.

+=============================================================================+
| Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator |
| Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida |
| |
| E-Mail/MIME/finger: [email protected] |
+=============================================================================+

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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 09:30:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William D. Kramp" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Use of VT320 terminals with Pine
To: Prem Sumetpong <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected],
support group pine-info <[email protected]>
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I have been using vt320 emulation with Procomm Plus on our PC's. VT100
and VT420's terminals also work with no problem.

+===============================================================+
| Bill Kramp - System Admin. Finger Lakes Community College |
| [email protected] |
+===============================================================+

On Fri, 22 Apr 1994, Prem Sumetpong wrote:

> Hi,
> Will pine3.90 support the use of vt320 terminals ?
>

From [email protected] Fri Apr 22 13:19:52 1994
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 13:02:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Folder Locks ...
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When you resume the second session, it still has the signal waiting to
give up its lock. The problem is that since it was suspended, it could
not acknowledge the loss of the lock...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 22 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> I often use Pine remotely by modem and suspend it with a ^Z
> signal. Without fail, I end up re-executing pine in the same
> session. The second copy of pine tries to get a file lock from
> the first, but is unable, so loads itself in "readonly" mode.
> This is fine; I quit and go back to the first instance of pine.
> However, this session has also become "readonly." This is not a
> major problem for me, but I was just wondering why both sessions
> became read only when neither of them had a file lock.
>
> +=============================================================================+
> | Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator |
> | Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida |
> | |
> | E-Mail/MIME/finger: [email protected] |
> +=============================================================================+
>

From [email protected] Fri Apr 22 13:45:01 1994
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:29:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yigal Rechtman <[email protected]>
Subject: Apologize (re: cookies)
To: pinelist <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
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Hello Pine-List,
I would like to start with an apology (see below) for send a msg to an
entire list--I apologize for jamming your mboxes.

In the past I had asked some questions about pine, and the pine-mailing list
(to which I have not recevied very helpful information, BTW) and the
pine-mailing list stayed in my address-book. When I forwarded the
"cookies" msg I neglected to check this mailing list off since it was
filed under the address book "misc" and not say "lists".

I didn't mean to bother you pine-lovers nor is it my practice to send
junk mail to lists.

On the other hand, the nasty respons that I have recived are also not
appropriate (what would happen to some begginer if he/she would see such
nasty hate letters? Is the future of the internet to be like the street
of New York City or L.A.? I hope NOT).

So, if any of you got offended, please accept my apologies. For those of
you who offended me (tried...) I can only offer my true simpathy for not
been able to express themselves better. Too bad.

-Yigal
[email protected]

From [email protected] Fri Apr 22 14:42:18 1994
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From: Imposter <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How do you change domain name?
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>,
Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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> If user-domain is set, use-only-domain is ignored. I think the problem is
> that listproc incorrectly uses the Sender: header instead of the From: or
> Reply-To: header. We have not yet figured out how to completely solve the
> "listproc problem" ourselves...

Actually, I think that the Sender header says what I want it to. When I
send myself something, the Sender line says [email protected], not
[email protected].

Maybe it has nothing to do with user agents. Maybe it's looking at the
SMTP Received headers? If that's the case, I don't think that there's
anything that I (or the Pine Team, for that matter) can do. Anyone who
knows anything about how listservers work please tell me.

By the way, you can make Sender say whatever you want by editing it while
it's in postponed-mail. You may want to change that, so that the Sender
line isn't added until you actually send the message.

I think I was able to "forge" this message as far as the From and Sender
lines are concerned. I left the Reply-To alone, although that would have
been just as easy to change. (I'm using 3.87 in case that matters.)

Oh well, I guess I'll have to take my mailing lists at my "real"
address. Thanks anyway.
--
Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
[email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you

> On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Matt Messina wrote:
>
> > Bear with me, this is not as simple as you probably think ...
> >
> > In my .pinerc file:
> > user-domain=umich.edu
> > use-only-domain-name=yes
> >
> > I've also tried with use-only-domain-name=no.
> >
> > Here's the problem. When I subscribe to a listserv or listproc mailing
> > list, the listserver figures out my real domain name (which is
> > engin.umich.edu) and registers me with that address. I prefer to get my
> > mail through our X.500 gateway (umich.edu).
> >
> > Are there more .pinerc entries than are documented in the .pinerc file?
> > Such as, perhaps, local-domain? What motivates my question is a few
> > lines I saw in .pine-debugX.
> >
> > ---------- .pine-debug1 (excerpt)
> > Userid: messina
> > Fullname: "Matt Messina"
> > User domain name being used "umich.edu"
> > Local Domain name being used "engin.umich.edu"
> > Host name being used "azure.engin.umich.edu"
> > Mail Domain name being used "umich.edu"
> > ---------- .pine-debug1 (excerpt)
> >
> > Somehow, the Local Domain seems to be escaping, although I'd like to hide
> > it from the listservers. Is there a way to stop this? Thanks for any help.

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From: Matt Messina <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Folder Locks ...
To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine List <[email protected]>
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I've also accidently run two copies of Pine, but I've never had the first
copy become readonly.
--
Matt Messina Vote YES on rec.arts.ascii
[email protected] CFV: coming soon to a n.a.newgroups near you

On Fri, 22 Apr 1994, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote:

> I often use Pine remotely by modem and suspend it with a ^Z
> signal. Without fail, I end up re-executing pine in the same
> session. The second copy of pine tries to get a file lock from
> the first, but is unable, so loads itself in "readonly" mode.
> This is fine; I quit and go back to the first instance of pine.
> However, this session has also become "readonly." This is not a
> major problem for me, but I was just wondering why both sessions
> became read only when neither of them had a file lock.

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From: "J. Scott Williams" <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine Now on VMS w/Innosoft's PMDF
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I have noticed in the past on this list a lot inquiries about Pine on VMS.

I just noted that Innosoft, the authors of PMDF an SMTP email package
for VMS, have included in their recent PMDF 4.3 release, Pine 3.89
for VMS. Their version of Pine _requires_ PMDF to run.

-jscott-
--------
|J. Scott Williams, MH 354 Ph: (206) 650-2868 FAX: (206) 650-2816 |
|Academic Tech. User Services Internet: [email protected] |
|Western Washington Univ. "Internet--Talking across the electronic|
|Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 back fence of the world."-JSW|

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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Folks,
Even if you are content with the current email list, I would encourage
everyone to send a YES vote, so that those who find netnews distribution
more convenient than the list will be able to have that option.

-teg

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 22 APR 1994 16:35:27 -0400
From: Peter Berger <[email protected]>
Newgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.mail.mime,
comp.mail.misc
Subject: CFV: comp.mail.pine

FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.mail.pine

Newsgroups line:
comp.mail.pine The PINE mail user agent.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 May 1994.

This CFV will be sent to the pine-info <[email protected]> and
pine-announce <[email protected]> mailing lists.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact [email protected]. For questions about the
proposed group contact Arnt Gulbrandsen <[email protected]>.

CHARTER

This group is for discussion about use and development of the Pine
mail/news user agent developed by the University of Washington. Any
Pine-related and Pine-specific discussion is acceptable, but general
discussion regarding e.g. MIME or incoming-mail filters is referred to
other, more appropriate newsgroups.
The group is not moderated. To be made moderated, the same procedure
should be followed as for the creation of a new group at that time.
The group is bidirectionally gatewayed to the mailing list
[email protected].

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to: [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.mail.pine
I vote NO on comp.mail.pine

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

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X-Owner: [email protected]
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.mail.pine

Newsgroups line:
comp.mail.pine The PINE mail user agent.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 May 1994.

This CFV will be sent to the pine-info <[email protected]> and
pine-announce <[email protected]> mailing lists.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact [email protected]. For questions about the
proposed group contact Arnt Gulbrandsen <[email protected]>.

CHARTER

This group is for discussion about use and development of the Pine
mail/news user agent developed by the University of Washington. Any
Pine-related and Pine-specific discussion is acceptable, but general
discussion regarding e.g. MIME or incoming-mail filters is referred to
other, more appropriate newsgroups.
The group is not moderated. To be made moderated, the same procedure
should be followed as for the creation of a new group at that time.
The group is bidirectionally gatewayed to the mailing list
[email protected].

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to: [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.mail.pine
I vote NO on comp.mail.pine

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] Sun Apr 24 13:19:23 1994
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I am interested in subscribing to your mailing list, and would also
like to find out if/where there is a pine faq. Thanks for any help.

--
Aaron Swiers
UND Aerospace - Scientific Computing Center [email protected]
University of ND, Grand Forks [email protected]

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From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 22 Apr 1994, David L Miller wrote:

> When you resume the second session, it still has the signal waiting to
> give up its lock. The problem is that since it was suspended, it could
> not acknowledge the loss of the lock...

Well, this isn't true, either. I was sitting at the INBOX folder's index
list, hit ^Z, and typed "bg". It said that pine was running in the
background, but each session still locked. We have a Sun Sparc 2 under
SunOS 4.1.x and I call in via a Xyplex server. I have yet to try it
under X-Windows, but if this isn't a known problem with the Suns, I'll
tell ya what happens there as well.

+=============================================================================+
| Christopher Curtis, Sun Lab System Administrator |
| Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne Florida |
| |
| E-Mail/MIME/finger: [email protected] |
+=============================================================================+

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Subject: international character sets
Autoforwarded: FALSE
To: [email protected]
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Helmut Brammerts [email protected]
Seminar fuer Sprachlehrforschung FAX: +49 234 7094 138
Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum Tel.: +49 234 700 5748 / 3815
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
In our international project ("International E-Mail Tandem Network" - with
bilingual communication between language learners) we need international
character sets and MIME compliant e-mail tools like PINE.

But we do not really understand PINE's behaviour with respect to character
sets. We expected 4 steps:

1. PINE (sender) knows about platform specific codes (PC code-pages, Windows'
ANSI, etc.) and maps them to a more general character set like ISO-8859-1.
2. PINE (sender) encodes the message for transport (Base64 or whatever).
3. PINE (receiver) decodes the message.
4. PINE (receiver) maps the general character set (ISO-8859-1 ..) to the
corresponding platform (Unix, Mac, ...) specific character set.

But we suspect that pine doesn't behave like that. When we send a message
from pc-pine and read it using pine on a NeXt (console or telnet), all
special characters (umlauts, accented letters etc.) are mapped to
nonsense letters.

pinerc/PINERC say "character-set=ISO-8859-1" on both machines. Is there
anything else we have to do?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Helmut

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From: Richard Lee <[email protected]>
Subject: termcaps for pine
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pine (3.89 for unix) works with some terminal definitions but not
with others. I sometimes use TERM=adm3a, and while *pico* works fine with
that terminal definition, pine refuses to run. I'm thinking of writing a
termcap file for my terminal which makes better use of its capabilities
than adm3a. [I'm running a Sanyo MBC-1250 CP/M machine 4 MHz Z80, if
anyone is curious--or if anyone already *has* a termcap for this and wants
to send it to me.] I'd like, of course, to be able to run pine. Is there
some simple answer to the question what capabilities must a terminal
support for pine to run? If so, what's the answer? Or does pine simply
use some *list* of acceptable terminals (e.g. "vt100") and refuse to run
if your terminal is not on the list? Thanks.

--

Dr. Richard Lee [email protected]
Department of Philosophy / Main 318 [email protected]
University of Arkansas voice: 501-575-5826
Fayetteville, AR 72701 fax: 501-575-2642

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I am getting the message "Can't open folder lock, read only access", on
all user accounts except root. What could I have done????

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On reading the pinerc files for 3.89, it would appear that both should
be available/supported but when I try, I only get one or the other
(usually local). Is this a bug or feature?

Thanks.

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Alan Thew
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One of our users has mentioned the "terribly slow drawing speed" when
inverted video is used to highlight messages - she is using a modem.
Following recent correspondence on this list, I suggested that she type an
"stty 1200" command before invoking pine.

She says that she now gets > instead of highlighting when in the folder
index but not when she is in the main menu. I see that moving around the
folder index also involves highlighting.

I thought you might like to see these comments: I have difficulty in
forming a view on this as I have difficulty in simulating the user's
environment.

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Could my name please be added to the mailing list? Thanks.

[email protected]

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Could someone please point me in the direction of the Pine FAQ.
Thank you.

--
Aaron Swiers
UND Aerospace - Scientific Computing Center [email protected]
University of ND, Grand Forks [email protected]

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Unfortunately there isn't one yet. We are working on one though...

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On Tue, 26 Apr 1994, Aaron J. Swiers wrote:

> Could someone please point me in the direction of the Pine FAQ.
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Aaron Swiers
> UND Aerospace - Scientific Computing Center [email protected]
> University of ND, Grand Forks [email protected]

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Helmut,

PC-Pine includes mapping tables for some of the IBM codepages to and from
ISO-8859-1 and ISO-8859-5, but the other platforms assume that the terminal
or emulation is using the character set specified by character-set in your
pinerc file.

>From the Pine Technical Notes:

In the case of PC-Pine, the character values
cannot be passed thru to the display device
unaltered since MS-DOS uses various non-
standard character sets called "Code Pages".

The mapping between DOS Code Page and standard
character set is controlled by the
"character-set" variable in the PINERC file
and the PC's installed Code Page. PC-Pine
will automatically map common characters in
IBM Code Pages 437, 850, 860, 863, and 865 to
ISO-8859-1 and back when the PINERC has
"character-set=ISO-8859-1". Pine will also
map common characters for IBM Code Page 866 to
ISO-8859-5 and back when "character-set=ISO-
8859-5". The mappings are bi-directional, and
applied to all saved text attachments in the
defined character set, messages exported, etc.

Alternatively, the translation tables can be
configured externally and applied at run time
whenever the "character-set=" variable is set
to something other then "US-ASCII" (the de-
fault). PC-Pine looks in the text file point-
ed to by the environment variable "ISO_TO_CP"
for the table to use for mapping text matching
the type defined by the "character-set=" vari-
able into the local Code Page value. PC-Pine
looks in the text file pointed to by the en-
vironment variable "CP_TO_ISO" for the table
to use for mapping text in the local Code Page
into outbound text tagged with the
"character-set=" variable's value.

A text file containing a character set mapping
table is expected to contain 256 elements
where each element is a decimal number
separated from the next element by white-space
(space, tab or newline, but no commas!). The
index of the element is the character's value
in the source character set, and the element's
value is the corresponding character's value
in the destination character set.

Does that help?

--DLM

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On Mon, 25 Apr 1994 [email protected] wrote:

> Helmut Brammerts [email protected]
> Seminar fuer Sprachlehrforschung FAX: +49 234 7094 138
> Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum Tel.: +49 234 700 5748 / 3815
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> In our international project ("International E-Mail Tandem Network" - with
> bilingual communication between language learners) we need international
> character sets and MIME compliant e-mail tools like PINE.
>
> But we do not really understand PINE's behaviour with respect to character
> sets. We expected 4 steps:
>
> 1. PINE (sender) knows about platform specific codes (PC code-pages, Windows'
> ANSI, etc.) and maps them to a more general character set like ISO-8859-1.
> 2. PINE (sender) encodes the message for transport (Base64 or whatever).
> 3. PINE (receiver) decodes the message.
> 4. PINE (receiver) maps the general character set (ISO-8859-1 ..) to the
> corresponding platform (Unix, Mac, ...) specific character set.
>
> But we suspect that pine doesn't behave like that. When we send a message
> from pc-pine and read it using pine on a NeXt (console or telnet), all
> special characters (umlauts, accented letters etc.) are mapped to
> nonsense letters.
>
> .pinerc/PINERC say "character-set=ISO-8859-1" on both machines. Is there
> anything else we have to do?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Helmut
>

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info help

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From: This Space For Rent <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine "User's Guide"
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Sorry for the earlier should-have-gone-to-majordomo post...and I just
told someone that the other day on another list <hangs his head in shame>
<holds out his knuckles for the wooden ruler>

But I do have a Bona Fide Question. I've heard both a "Pine User's Guide"
and a "New to Pine Help Guide" mentioned occaisionally here. I snooped
around ftp.cac.washington.edu but was unable to find them. If someone
could drop me either a copy or a pointer or a "that doesn't exist", I
would be (almost) eternally grateful.

I work for U-Michigan's ITD User Services, which will be spending the
summer writing documentation for students moving to Pine, so any existing
documentation would be very helpful. Likewise, if anyone knows of
on-line Pico docs, I would be very grateful for the aforementioned
copy/pointer, as the only thing I've found is pico's internal help system.

Thank you!

Andrew Fabbro If laws are outlawed,
[email protected] only outlaws will
University of Michigan have laws. Fnord.
_____________________________________________________________
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From [email protected] Wed Apr 27 11:37:39 1994
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From: TJ Olney <[email protected]>
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We have just installed a new PMDF system on our VMS machine. It came
with pine. (This is being sent from pine on VMS)

It has a few bugs that cause stack dumps that I would like to see fixed if
possible.

Question: Is anyone supporting it?

Please reply to me directly as I don't subscribe to the list.
Thanks. TJ Olney [email protected]

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Andrew,

Whack!!! Feel better? ;)

We don't have a User's guide of our own ready yet, but I do know of a WWW
page (http://www.snre.umich.edu/snre/pine.intro.html) done at UMich Scool of
Natural Resources and Environment and a document by Allison Anderson
<[email protected]>.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, This Space For Rent wrote:

> Sorry for the earlier should-have-gone-to-majordomo post...and I just
> told someone that the other day on another list <hangs his head in shame>
> <holds out his knuckles for the wooden ruler>
>
> But I do have a Bona Fide Question. I've heard both a "Pine User's Guide"
> and a "New to Pine Help Guide" mentioned occaisionally here. I snooped
> around ftp.cac.washington.edu but was unable to find them. If someone
> could drop me either a copy or a pointer or a "that doesn't exist", I
> would be (almost) eternally grateful.
>
> I work for U-Michigan's ITD User Services, which will be spending the
> summer writing documentation for students moving to Pine, so any existing
> documentation would be very helpful. Likewise, if anyone knows of
> on-line Pico docs, I would be very grateful for the aforementioned
> copy/pointer, as the only thing I've found is pico's internal help system.
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> Andrew Fabbro If laws are outlawed,
> [email protected] only outlaws will
> University of Michigan have laws. Fnord.
> _____________________________________________________________
> Finger [email protected] for PGP public key.
> PGPprint: 87 41 65 E0 C2 51 9F E5 A9 44 ED A6 6B 16 76 9E
>
>
>
>

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The version of Pine distributed with PMDF is being supported directly by
Innosoft. Any questions or problems directly related to that port should
be directed to Innosoft customer support ([email protected]).

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, TJ Olney wrote:

> We have just installed a new PMDF system on our VMS machine. It came
> with pine. (This is being sent from pine on VMS)
>
> It has a few bugs that cause stack dumps that I would like to see fixed if
> possible.
>
> Question: Is anyone supporting it?
>
> Please reply to me directly as I don't subscribe to the list.
> Thanks. TJ Olney [email protected]

From [email protected] Wed Apr 27 12:42:57 1994
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From: [email protected]
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On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, TJ Olney wrote:

> We have just installed a new PMDF system on our VMS machine. It came
> with pine. (This is being sent from pine on VMS)
>
> It has a few bugs that cause stack dumps that I would like to see fixed if
> possible.

you should address your VMS Pine problems to [email protected], yes
we support it, but not the University of Washington (not directly anyway)

>
> Question: Is anyone supporting it?
>
> Please reply to me directly as I don't subscribe to the list.
> Thanks. TJ Olney [email protected]
>

/portia [email protected]
Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax
1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790

From [email protected] Wed Apr 27 13:52:59 1994
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From: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine Users guide (internet version)
To: Pine Group <[email protected]>
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Hi folks. Due to the recent flurry of "I NEED A USER GUIDE!" requests,
I've modified my home grown documentation to a more generalized "internet
version".

Actually, all i've done is strip all of the Univeristy of Michigan, and
School of Natural Resources and Environment specific stuff. Everything
else is untouched.

I've put up both a PostScript version, and a Macintosh, Microsoft Word
version 5.1a version as well. (the word version has been binhexed).

Feel free to modify it as needed, but of course, please leave my name, and
UM/UM-SNRE's name on it as well. Also, if you do modify it, please send
me the copy that you are using. It'd just be nice for me to see what
other people have to say. (and besides, I don't think that my writing is
that good).

it is available via ftp in:

ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.Hqx (word version)
ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.ps (PostScript)

(a note for those who i sent an explicit message to:, note the file
location has changed a bit...sorry...my fault).

In a couple of days, there will be a HTML version at

http://www.snre.umich.edu/pine/pine.internet.doc.html

Here's my disclaimer about it:

This piece of documentation was originally written for the University of
Michigan, School of Natural Resources and Environment. It's target
audience was/is/are novice computer users who have been using UM's
mainframe computing system (the Michigan Terminal System, or MTS). The
documentation is by no means a definitive explanation of all of pine's
features, but I have found that it does answer about 90 - 95% of a first
time user's questions. (I'll leave out the legal garbage, but it's written
in the document proper.)

---end disclaimer...

Please feel free to send me feedback about it (flames too, although If
you put "flame" anywhere in the subject line, procmail will dissapate it
as heat. :) . I must admit, I don't think myself as much of a writer,
but I've worked hard to make this as comprehensible as possible.

Sorry about the delay...

..alex...

Alex Tang --- [email protected]@UMICHUM.BITNET
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From: Susan Jarchow Van Sickle <[email protected]>
Subject: question about Pine
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On our campus, our IBM RS/6000 computers are accessed by most users
through an Equinox Data Switch. Connections through this switch are set
to timeout after a certain period of inactivity (30 minutes) in order to
free up ports on our RS/6000s for usage by other users.

Our systems administrator recently noticed that some of our users had
been in the same Pine session all day long. Our first hypothesis as to
how this could be the case was that these users were receiving or
sending messages at least every 30 minutes. In order to check this out,
we started a Pine session, and discovered that even when no mail was
received or sent out of a Pine session, about every 2 and a half
minutes, our data switch sensed activity, and reset its timeout timer for
this particular port.

Our question, then, is the following: Does Pine send some signal to the
terminal every 2 and a half minutes? If so, is there anyway to
reconfigure Pine so that it doesn't do this?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Susan VanSickle, Training Manager
Academic Computer Center FAX: (913) 233-2335
Washburn University Voice: (913) 231-1010
1700 College Extension 1389
Topeka, KS 66621 Internet: [email protected]
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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david bainum <[email protected]>,
David Oliver <[email protected]>,
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Susan,

Pine does a new mail check every 300 seconds. During this check a '*' is
displayed in the upper left-hand corner of the screen. There is currently no
way to disable this without changing the code. Actually, I was under the
impression that most inactivity timeouts only look at the incoming line and
are thus unaffected by the spurious characters.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, Susan Jarchow Van Sickle wrote:

> On our campus, our IBM RS/6000 computers are accessed by most users
> through an Equinox Data Switch. Connections through this switch are set
> to timeout after a certain period of inactivity (30 minutes) in order to
> free up ports on our RS/6000s for usage by other users.
>
> Our systems administrator recently noticed that some of our users had
> been in the same Pine session all day long. Our first hypothesis as to
> how this could be the case was that these users were receiving or
> sending messages at least every 30 minutes. In order to check this out,
> we started a Pine session, and discovered that even when no mail was
> received or sent out of a Pine session, about every 2 and a half
> minutes, our data switch sensed activity, and reset its timeout timer for
> this particular port.
>
> Our question, then, is the following: Does Pine send some signal to the
> terminal every 2 and a half minutes? If so, is there anyway to
> reconfigure Pine so that it doesn't do this?
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Susan VanSickle, Training Manager
> Academic Computer Center FAX: (913) 233-2335
> Washburn University Voice: (913) 231-1010
> 1700 College Extension 1389
> Topeka, KS 66621 Internet: [email protected]
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>

From [email protected] Wed Apr 27 15:31:14 1994
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From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email protected]>
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Alex,
I tried ftping to your cite to get the pine user guide, but when I
tried logging in as ftp or anonymous it told me user unknown. If there is
a problem with the server would you just e-mail me a copy of the guide for
MS word?

Thanks
Rick Gaine

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From: "Henry @(0-0)" <[email protected]>
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>
> As David notes, a version *after* 3.90 will support "location
> independence" of support files such as .newsrc, so that you can use the
> same .newsrc from multiple platforms, even if you don't have an account on
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the news server.
>

If I can connect to difference news servers and they do not have the
same newsgroups, will I get bogus messages when checking new newsgroups
for different server after 3.90? Can I have different .newsrcs for
different news servers?

=Henry=

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> If I can connect to difference news servers and they do not have the
> same newsgroups, will I get bogus messages when checking new newsgroups
> for different server after 3.90? Can I have different .newsrcs for
> different news servers?

Henry,
The .newsrc file format uses article numbers that are tied to a specific
server. At the moment Pine assumes you only have one .newsrc file.

We'll add to the request list the need to be able to specify the path of
the newsrc file, so you could use the -p command line option to point to a
different .pinerc specifying a different .newsrc (as well as news host).

-teg

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I have a suggestion for a new Pine feature. (If this is already
taken care of, let me know! I can't find out how to do it)
I, like many of you, I'm sure, belong to many mailing lists. 3 to
be exact, (2 active ones and 1 inactive one) What I would like to see is
a sort the TO: field command line option. That way, I'll get the Emacs
first, Pine second etc... I love the "+" for personal msgs.
If anybody adds this feature, please send me a copy of the code
to use. Thanks...

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From [email protected] Wed Apr 27 21:58:27 1994
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 21:32:03 -0700 (MST)
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Hi David

If you use multiple folders and tab between them, you often have to deal
with:

No more messages. View next folder "Procmail"? (y/n/^C) [y]:

Are there any plans to let the tab key:
1. Move silently to the next folder.
2. Skip across folders with no new messages?

These enhancements would be great.

Thanks and regards,
Kevin

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From [email protected] Thu Apr 28 01:44:17 1994
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I can remember a Pine documentation in PostScript format
I printed in november 1993.
I lost the pointer to it.
Does someone know where to get it ... ?
-manfred
[email protected]

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From: Michael A Naud <[email protected]>
Subject: Eliminating news folder
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I have tried several ways to not have pine read my .newsrc file. How do
you eliminate this? I have tried modifying my .pinerc file, but with no
luck. What obvious thing am I missing.

Michael A. Naud

----
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From [email protected] Thu Apr 28 08:16:56 1994
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 07:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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With Ken's permission, I'm re-directing this msg to the list for
comment...

-teg

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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 22:09:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Brown <[email protected]>
To: The Pine Team <[email protected]>
Subject: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification)

Hello,

My department (CTS) takes care of mail at Trent University. The mail hub
is VMS host running PMDF and most our accounts are on this host. We also
support UNIX (Ultrix). I take care of UNIX, NetWare and Pathworks. For
mailers we use VMS Mail on VMS hosts, Elm (sorry) and Pine on UNIX
hosts, Pathworks Mail on PC-Pathworks workstations and there is very
limited use of Pegasus Mail for NetWare clients. Ergo, we're faced with
the problems outlined in the document describing imap vs. pop - and CTS
would like to provide a reliable and manageable solution for VMS, UNIX,
PC and MAC users.

Having read the docs and just installed PC Pine (of course imapd on UNIX)
I'm of the opinion that imap clients are the way to go...

So, may question really is; can you folks point me to other institutions
you might be aware of who have gone this route? For example, are there
sites where PC Pine has been selected over Pegasus Mail...I'd like to get
their reasons. Some of our faculty are impressed with Pegasus largely
because it is the first mailer they've seen running on a DOS box - and
they compare it to VMS Mail (all that colour is impressive :-) ). But
they are unaware of the need for gateways (Charon/Mercury), the problem
of managing them and, importantly, the difficulties one can encounter
when attachements are made to mail by various methods rather than by a
standard. I could go on, but I'm sure the scenario is one you've seen
many times...

Perhaps you are aware of some papers on the matter?

Thanks...I look forward to your response.

Ken Brown internet: [email protected]
Trent University Computing & Telecommunications tel: (705)748-1540
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8 fax: (705)748-1635

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From: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Q: Why use pine (looking for justification) (fwd)
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> Ergo, we're faced with
> the problems outlined in the document describing imap vs. pop - and CTS
> would like to provide a reliable and manageable solution for VMS, UNIX,
> PC and MAC users.

My suspicion is that this is a problem faced by all (educational)
institutions with user bases on a variety of different platforms.

> Having read the docs and just installed PC Pine (of course imapd on UNIX)
> I'm of the opinion that imap clients are the way to go...

That's the decision we made. Computing Services here at the UofS
spawned a small commitee to look into e-mail solutions. They released
a report a few weeks ago, which I beleive is on our gopher server and
available to poeple outside the UofS (I can't say for certain though).
The short version is that imap is good, and Pine is good, and if you
can't use Pine, use another imap client. Here's their recomendations
on a platform basis:

Macintosh: Mailstrom
DOS: PC-Pine
Windows: ECS-Mail
Unix chatacter cell: Pine
VMS character cell: None (although this was before
PMDF came with VMS Pine)

I you want to have a look at the documents, which cover oather products
testes, selection criteria etc etc, try either our gopher server,
gopher.usask.ca, in the Computing directory, or our web server,
http://www.usask.ca/ (there is a link here to the gopher server).

> Thanks...I look forward to your response.

Hope this helps
- Darryl

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Department of Computing Services University of Saskatchewan
<A HREF="http://www.usask.ca/~friesend/">My AMAZING Web Page</A>
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Perhaps someone can help this friend of mine. I don't think he reads
pine-info, so replies need to be by mail to be useful to him.

Thanks for any suggestions you can make.

Putnam Barber
Seattle

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>Subject: editing mail header lines
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I co-moderate a mailing list. I receive messages, approve them, then
want to send them on to an alias which gets them out to the whole list.
While I'm at it, I want to edit the lines in the header so the message
appears to come from the original poster, and to direct replies
automatically to the original poster. Pine doesn't give you access to
those lines, I don't even know how to edit them with the Mail program.
What tool can be used to edit those lines in an outgoing message?
dean martineau
[email protected]

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From: Bruce Mahfood <[email protected]>
Subject: Problem compiling pine on Solaris 2.3
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I have successfully ported pine to HP-UX 8.0 on an HP 400 box, and SunOS 4.1.2
on a SUN 630mp. I am now trying to port to Solaris 2.3, but have received the
errors shown below my signature. If anyone could help me figure out what I
should do next (not being a programmer, but having some C knowledge) I would be
very grateful.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
! Bruce Mahfood [email protected] ! !
! Cambridge Technology Partners ! "A job ain't nothing but work" !
! 304 Vassar St. ! Mo Money !
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Script started on Sat Apr 30 11:47:12 1994manilla:.../src/pine3.89# build sol
build: not found
manilla:.../src/pine3.89# ./build sol
make args are "CC=cc"

Making c-client library and mtest
rm -f osdep.h
ln os_sv4.h osdep.h
cc -g -Dconst= -c mtest.c
cc -g -Dconst= -c mail.c
"mail.c", line 1142: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -g -Dconst= -c bezerk.c
"bezerk.c", line 1055: warning: argument #1 is incompatible with prototype:
prototype: pointer to long : "/usr/include/time.h", line 68
argument : pointer to ulong
"bezerk.c", line 2265: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -g -Dconst= -c tenex2.c
"tenex2.c", line 1966: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -g -Dconst= -c mbox.c
cc -g -Dconst= -c mh.c
"mh.c", line 1355: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -g -Dconst= -c imap2.c
cc -g -Dconst= -c news.c
"news.c", line 1550: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -g -Dconst= -c nntpclient.c
"nntpclient.c", line 1524: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -g -Dconst= -c phile.c
"phile.c", line 1256: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -g -Dconst= -c dummy.c
cc -g -Dconst= -c smtp.c
cc -g -Dconst= -c nntp.c
cc -g -Dconst= -c rfc822.c
cc -g -Dconst= -c misc.c
cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" -c os_sv4.c
"os_sv4.c", line 294: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
mv os_sv4.o osdep.o
cc -g -Dconst= -c sm_unix.c
rm -f c-client.a
ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o \
nntpclient.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o \
sm_unix.o
echo -g -Dconst= > CFLAGS
echo -lsocket -lnsl -lgen > LDFLAGS
cc -g -Dconst= -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a -lsocket -lnsl -lgen

Making Imapd
cd ../c-client;make
`mtest' is up to date.
cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c imapd.c
"imapd.c", line 880: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS`

Making Pico
rm -f osdep.c
cp os_unix.c osdep.c
rm -f osdep.h
cp os_unix.h osdep.h
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O attach.c
"attach.c", line 246: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"attach.c", line 258: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"attach.c", line 271: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"attach.c", line 864: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O ansi.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O basic.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O bind.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O browse.c
"browse.c", line 1572: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O buffer.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O composer.c
"composer.c", line 690: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"composer.c", line 714: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"composer.c", line 963: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"composer.c", line 1084: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"composer.c", line 1233: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"composer.c", line 1380: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O display.c
"display.c", line 947: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"display.c", line 949: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"display.c", line 960: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"display.c", line 974: warning: semantics of "/" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"display.c", line 998: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"display.c", line 1283: warning: semantics of ">=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O file.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O fileio.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O line.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O osdep.c
"osdep.c", line 1100: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"osdep.c", line 1125: warning: semantics of "<=" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"osdep.c", line 1503: warning: argument #2 is incompatible with prototype:
prototype: pointer to function(int) returning void : "/usr/include/signal.h", line 64
argument : pointer to function(void) returning void
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O pico.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O random.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O region.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O search.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O spell.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O tinfo.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O window.c
cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O word.c
ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tinfo.o window.o word.o
ar: creating libpico.a
true libpico.a
cc5.sol -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL main.c libpico.a -ltermlib -o pico
sh: cc5.sol: not found
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pico'

Making Pine.
rm -f os.h
ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h
/cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h
cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c
"/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename
current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int
previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 112
"addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
"addrbook.c", line 1349: cannot recover from previous errors
cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c
*** Error code 2
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o'

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: cannot open
bin/mtest: 384248 + 19976 + 1368 = 405592
bin/imapd: 375080 + 20368 + 9340 = 404788
size: bin/pico: cannot open
Done
manilla:.../src/pine3.89# ^D
script done on Sat Apr 30 11:51:32 1994
script done on Sat Apr 30 11:51:32 1994

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From: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine documentation
To: Gerhard Winkler <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, Gerhard Winkler wrote:

> I can remember a Pine documentation in PostScript format
> I printed in november 1993.
> I lost the pointer to it.
> Does someone know where to get it ... ?

I don't know which one you're talking about, but I have some if you want
to take a look. they're in

ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.Hqx
(this is a mac MS Word 5.1 doc)

and:
ftp.snre.umich.edu:/pub/pine/documentation/pine.internet.doc.ps
(a ps version of the same doc).

hope that this helps.

..alex...