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From: "Sunjay T. Bedi" <[email protected]>
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Has anyone port/compiled this?

=========================================================
Sunjay T. Bedi, (519)888-4567, ext. 5297 /\ /\
[email protected] / \ / \
University of Waterloo /____\/____\
=========================================================

From [email protected] Mon Nov 1 09:28:18 1993
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>
> Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder
> if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion.
>
> --
> \Oved

I have such a tool. It is a Bourne shell script which relies heavily on
awk (well, nawk actually). Anybody who wishes a copy can drop me a line
in e-mail. I'd be happy to share.

I am in the process of re-coding the utility in C, with a grammar
constructed using lex & yacc. I'm a ways off on that, however (I'm a
yacc novice).

--
Gene Trantham
University of Arkansas

[email protected]

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>
> Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder
> if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion.
>
> --
> \Oved

I have such a tool. It is a Bourne shell script which relies heavily on
awk (well, nawk actually). Anybody who wishes a copy can drop me a line
in e-mail. I'd be happy to share.

I am in the process of re-coding the utility in C, with a grammar
constructed using lex & yacc. I'm a ways off on that, however (I'm a
yacc novice).

--
Gene Trantham
University of Arkansas

[email protected]

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: .pinerc file "Updated by Pine(tm) 3.87" -- omissions
To: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
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Pine does not really "understand" the comments in the .pinerc. When
updating an old .pinerc, the old comments are preserved as much as
possible to preserve any comments the user has inserted or modified.
We plan to make Pine smarter about comments at some point in the
future...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 29 Oct 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:

> My old (3.05?) .pinerc file was "Updated by Pine(tm) 3.87" when the new
> version was installed. I recently discovered that some of the
> information contained in a 'brand-new' pine 3.87 .pinerc file did not
> make it into my old 'updated' file. Specifically, the last 4 lines of
> the introductory paragraph (beginning with "For a variable to be unset
> it's value must be blank. ...") are missing from my 'updated' file.
>
> Also the section headers do not appear; such as:
> ####...#### Essential Parameters ####...####
> This may be difficult because I had rearranged the order of entries in my
> .pinerc file, so that all changed entries would be at the top of the file.
>
> Also the description of parameters WAS -NOT- UPDATED! My old 'updated'
> file still contained:
> # Sub directory in users home directory where mail folders/files are kept
> # mail-directory=
> mail-directory=Mail
> (which I had changed so that all my directories begin with Capital
> Letters -- to segregate them from ordinary files).
>
> In a 'brand-new' 3.87 .pinerc file, the definition of this parameter is:
> # mail-directory is where postponed & interrupted msgs are held temp'y
>
> QUESTION: Under pine 3.87, if I want the directory 'mail' to be fully
> replaced by the directory 'Mail', are these the only changes required ?
> folder-collections=Mail/[]
> mail-directory=Mail
>
Unless you have some other setting, like read-message-folder,
pointing to mail.

> REQUEST: Is it possible in future, to do a more thorough job of updating
> the .pinerc file? It would be helpful to alert users to changes in
> .pinerc which might affect them -- especially if .pinerc contains user
> changes.
>
> Thanks, -mr
>

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From: Bill Williams <[email protected]>
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Subject: Binaries for AIX 3.2
To: [email protected]

I am running AIX 3.2.3 and can build pine/pico just fine using the
'build a32'; however, when I run pine almost anything I do causes a
IOTrap abend with core dump. It appears that this is a problem with the
AIX 3.2.3 system which according to reports out in NetLand does not
occur with AIX 3.2.4.

I ftp-ed your aix32 binaries but they have the problem of not
recognizing my 'vt220' terminal. There is a simple fix for this and I
would like to request a re-build of the aix32 binaries (pine/pico) to
solve the problem. The only change needed is to the 'makefile.a32'
files and that is just an insertion of "-lcurses" into the LIBES as the
first library. It should look like:
LIBES = -lcurses -ltermcap -lc
instead of:
LIBES = -ltermcap -lc
when this is done it should link without problems *and* recognize all
the vtXXX's normally known to AIX.

If you could rebuild those binaries with the -lcurses I would be very
grateful!

BTW: All my correspondence to the pine lists have been from this
account which is an IBM VM/ESA System running RiceMail (MUA) and LMail
(MTA) -- which does not support MIME at this time. I have no Pine/Pico
available at this time on any of my machines.... and I really need it
on my RS/6000 AIX 3.2.3 units.

---------------------------------------
Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
East
Tennessee (615) 929-6853
State <[email protected]>
University <[email protected]>

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From: Paul Maclauchlan <[email protected]>
Subject: Reading news
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I'd like to read news from the Pine mailreader. How can I convince Pine
to look in a non-conventional place for news?

Instead of /usr/spool/news, I keep my news in /usr/news/spool. This is
on the local system (no NNTP or IMAP needed).

Any help or hints are appreciated.

--
../Paul Maclauchlan
Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600
[email protected] -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul
"Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see"/JL'67

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:08:54 +0000
From: Ralph Sims <[email protected]>
Subject: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd
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I have been using pine (albeit 3.85, as that's the last linux port that I
have--awaiting 3.88) via imap. It appears that if I close the remote
mailbox and exit the host and rather invoke the remote host again via
imap, that I am not prompted for a userid or password.

Is there some type of 'hidden authentication' still in effect that would
not allow someone 'posing' as me to log in via imap and access my mailbox
during this brief period. It seems that if I exit the host and look at
[INBOX] as a new folder and then go back to the remote host, all's well.

Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't
actually close the connection until a new folder is opened.

Ideas?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 1 15:38:34 1993
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Reading news
To: Paul Maclauchlan <[email protected]>
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You can edit the c-client/os_???.h file for your system and change
the definition of NEWSSPOOL, then rebuild.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Paul Maclauchlan wrote:

>
> I'd like to read news from the Pine mailreader. How can I convince Pine
> to look in a non-conventional place for news?
>
> Instead of /usr/spool/news, I keep my news in /usr/news/spool. This is
> on the local system (no NNTP or IMAP needed).
>
> Any help or hints are appreciated.
>
> --
> .../Paul Maclauchlan
> Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600
> [email protected] -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul
> "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see"/JL'67
>
>

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> You can edit the c-client/os_???.h file for your system and change
> the definition of NEWSSPOOL, then rebuild.

Or, you can provide a symbolic link to /usr/spool/news.

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd
To: Ralph Sims <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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A folder remains open until you exit pine or open another folder, the
exception being the INBOX which remains open until you exit Pine. Is
this what you are seeing?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote:

> I have been using pine (albeit 3.85, as that's the last linux port that I
> have--awaiting 3.88) via imap. It appears that if I close the remote
> mailbox and exit the host and rather invoke the remote host again via
> imap, that I am not prompted for a userid or password.
>
> Is there some type of 'hidden authentication' still in effect that would
> not allow someone 'posing' as me to log in via imap and access my mailbox
> during this brief period. It seems that if I exit the host and look at
> [INBOX] as a new folder and then go back to the remote host, all's well.
>
> Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't
> actually close the connection until a new folder is opened.
>
> Ideas?
>
>

From [email protected] Tue Nov 2 05:29:03 1993
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:13:47 GMT
From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Subject: Finger in PC-PINE
To: Pine Info list <[email protected]>
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Users of our system would like to find out about other users on the
system, for example when they cannot remember their e-mail ID. If they
also use the underlying UNIX system, finger does it for them. If they
only use PINE on a PC, they have to exit PINE, use finger, then go back
in to send the mail. It would be nice to have a "finger" option available
on PINE's menu.
This can only be classed as an "it would be nice" item for the wishlist.
Since MAISTROM does it on the MAC, I assume that all the necessary IMAP
features are already present.

=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713

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To: [email protected]
Subject: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed?
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 15:11:04 +0100
From: Peter Svanberg <[email protected]>

I've tried to read all about INBOX in the documentation and in
old messages on this list. Conclusions:

1) It is impossible to get the BSD-mail behavior with BSD-
format usage in PINE - i.e. that incoming, read and unread
mail is handled in _one_ file, which is not in
/usr/spool/mail.

2) With Tenex-format usage - on the other hand - this behavior
is the default: /usr/spool/mail contents is silently moved to
the mail.TxT file.

Questions:

3) Is the silently-moving model considered bad for _all_ users?
In what way?

4) If so, why is that model still used with Tenex? If not, why
not allow it in BSD-format usage also?

At least, I think, the documentation should warn, tell and
explain about this big difference for users used to the
BSD-mail program. I have not found anything about it.
---
Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: [email protected]
Dept of Num An & CS,
Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40
S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Finger in PC-PINE
To: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info list <[email protected]>
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Finger is not a function of IMAP. We are planning to add support for
directory services, which might include some form of access to finger
as well.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote:

> Users of our system would like to find out about other users on the
> system, for example when they cannot remember their e-mail ID. If they
> also use the underlying UNIX system, finger does it for them. If they
> only use PINE on a PC, they have to exit PINE, use finger, then go back
> in to send the mail. It would be nice to have a "finger" option available
> on PINE's menu.
> This can only be classed as an "it would be nice" item for the wishlist.
> Since MAISTROM does it on the MAC, I assume that all the necessary IMAP
> features are already present.
>
> =======================================================================
> Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
> University of Cambridge Computing Service
> [email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed?
To: Peter Svanberg <[email protected]>
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You can get this behavior by linking the mbox driver into Pine. This
is the Berkeley format (bezerk) driver with silent moving added.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Peter Svanberg wrote:

> I've tried to read all about INBOX in the documentation and in
> old messages on this list. Conclusions:
>
> 1) It is impossible to get the BSD-mail behavior with BSD-
> format usage in PINE - i.e. that incoming, read and unread
> mail is handled in _one_ file, which is not in
> /usr/spool/mail.
>
> 2) With Tenex-format usage - on the other hand - this behavior
> is the default: /usr/spool/mail contents is silently moved to
> the mail.TxT file.
>
> Questions:
>
> 3) Is the silently-moving model considered bad for _all_ users?
> In what way?
>
> 4) If so, why is that model still used with Tenex? If not, why
> not allow it in BSD-format usage also?
>
> At least, I think, the documentation should warn, tell and
> explain about this big difference for users used to the
> BSD-mail program. I have not found anything about it.
> ---
> Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: [email protected]
> Dept of Num An & CS,
> Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40
> S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30

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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 1993 08:22:44 PST."
<[email protected]>
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From: Peter Svanberg <[email protected]>

Quoting: David L Miller <[email protected]>
>
> You can get this behavior by linking the mbox driver into Pine. This
> is the Berkeley format (bezerk) driver with silent moving added.

Thanks - works fine!

BTW, I saw there has been some progress to the MH driver - any
change in the will-maybe-work-some-day plans I was told before?
---
Peter Svanberg, Nada, KTH

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd
To: Ralph Sims <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote:
> I have been using pine (albeit 3.85, as that's the last linux port that I
> have--awaiting 3.88) via imap. It appears that if I close the remote
> mailbox and exit the host and rather invoke the remote host again via
> imap, that I am not prompted for a userid or password.
>
> Is there some type of 'hidden authentication' still in effect that would
> not allow someone 'posing' as me to log in via imap and access my mailbox
> during this brief period.

The only ``hidden authentication'' in Pine/imapd is that if you can rsh
to the remote host for free, you can imap to it for free. In other
words, the answer is NO.

> Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't
> actually close the connection until a new folder is opened.

This can happen. The primary INBOX is always kept open, and secondary
streams can be recycled to open new folders.

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed?
To: Peter Svanberg <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Peter Svanberg wrote:
> I've tried to read all about INBOX in the documentation and in
> old messages on this list. Conclusions:
>
> 1) It is impossible to get the BSD-mail behavior with BSD-
> format usage in PINE - i.e. that incoming, read and unread
> mail is handled in _one_ file, which is not in
> /usr/spool/mail.

This is correct with unmodified Pine.

If you modify the .../pine/pine.c file to have a line of
mail_link (&mboxdriver);
before the mail_link() call for bezerkdriver (you may also have to add
mboxdriver in the list of driver externals elsewhere), then you will get
that behavior.

mbox is like tenex, but it uses the /usr/spool/mail format.

> 2) With Tenex-format usage - on the other hand - this behavior
> is the default: /usr/spool/mail contents is silently moved to
> the mail.TxT file.

This is correct.

> 3) Is the silently-moving model considered bad for _all_ users?
> In what way?

Some people find it objectionable, which is why mboxdriver is normally
turned off.

> 4) If so, why is that model still used with Tenex? If not, why
> not allow it in BSD-format usage also?

This model is the only model meaningful for Tenex. But, because some
people find mail.txt to be a dangerous name, it was changed to mail.TxT.

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 19:58:12 +0000
From: Ralph Sims <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Possible bug with pine - imap allows login w/o passwd
To: [email protected]
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I've just compiled 3.87 for linux. We're up to speed now. All that
remains is to work on the the .pinerc file (beginning to resemble a
sendmail.cf file to some degree with all the options available).

Thanks to you and David Miller. The pieces to the puzzle are now easier to
put together.

On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote:

> > Possibly, I'm seeing that pine is still connected via imap and doesn't
> > actually close the connection until a new folder is opened.

> This can happen. The primary INBOX is always kept open, and secondary
> streams can be recycled to open new folders.

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From: "John Daum... 618-256-6835" <[email protected]>
Subject: Email Selection, by the numbers
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On behalf of new users yet to behold pine, and those of us who believe
in making applications as intuitive as possible, the request below is
for a new "feature" we are hoping you can fit in an upcoming release.

It is natural for users to attempt to select messages by entering the number.
The lack of such support is the most common complaint (amidst tons of
praise) we hear from users.

Please allow a user to enter the message number followed by the "Enter" as
a method to select and display a message, e.g., 38 <Enter>.

Thanks,

John E. Daum
[email protected] via the Internet

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From: David Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Email Selection, by the numbers
To: "John Daum... 618-256-6835" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Help List <[email protected]>
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This is already available if you set enable-jump-shortcut in your .pinerc.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, John Daum... 618-256-6835 wrote:

>
> On behalf of new users yet to behold pine, and those of us who believe
> in making applications as intuitive as possible, the request below is
> for a new "feature" we are hoping you can fit in an upcoming release.
>
> It is natural for users to attempt to select messages by entering the number.
> The lack of such support is the most common complaint (amidst tons of
> praise) we hear from users.
>
> Please allow a user to enter the message number followed by the "Enter" as
> a method to select and display a message, e.g., 38 <Enter>.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John E. Daum
> [email protected] via the Internet
>
>

From [email protected] Tue Nov 2 17:57:58 1993
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 20:40:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Holbrook <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed?
To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Mark --

We've used the mbox driver in Pine here at CICNet for more than a year.
Any chance that we can put it under a Makefile switch so we don't have to
modify the code for every release we get?

J. Paul Holbrook
CICNet Technical Services Manager
[email protected] (313) 998-7680

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: INBOX again: BSD-mail-mbox model not allowed?
To: Paul Holbrook <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Paul Holbrook wrote:
> We've used the mbox driver in Pine here at CICNet for more than a year.
> Any chance that we can put it under a Makefile switch so we don't have to
> modify the code for every release we get?

Basically, some help is on the way. c-client is now configurable at the
makefile level for additional drivers. I don't think that Pine 3.88 will
use this new capability, but a future version of Pine will have it available.

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From: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
Subject: Error compiling with sv4...
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I tried compiling pine under sv4, and all was well, until it tried to
compile pine itself... I got the following error:

cc -O pine.c -o pine
"/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 66: identifier redeclared: system
"/usr/include/unistd.h", line 154: identifier redeclared: rename
"./../c-client/osdep.h", line 108: warning: identifier redeclared: gethostid
"pine.c", line 1915: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
*** Error code 1 (bu21)

make: fatal error.

The only changes made to makefile.sv4 were to comment out the entire
DEBUG line and to uncomment the optimize line... These changes worked for
the sunos version of pine, so I didn't think there'd be a problem with
sv4 pine...

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From: Dave Rasmussen <[email protected]>
Subject: 3.87 to convex platform?
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Seems the last time I installed pine on our convex I got the source
distribution from someone else. Wondered if anyone else has configured
pine 3.87 to build on a convex beast and if I could get it or the diffs? We
have a 220 with version 10.0.3 of convexos (closer to bsd than it really
sounds :-)

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From: "Andrew Sweger" <[email protected]>
Subject: FW: Ascii printing in Pine
To: "pine-info" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Joel Ness" <[email protected]>,
"Mark McNair" <[email protected]>

Opps. The ASCII printing feature from NCSA Telnet v2.5x is particular to a
version modified by the University of Washington. According to a conversation
with Mark McNair at UW's Computing & Communications, this feature may possibly
appear in version 2.6 from NCSA. The UW version is available from anonymous ftp
at ftp.cac.washington.edu, /ncsa/mac. Presently I'm using the 2.5W-B3 beta
version without complications. My apologies.

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To: Joel Ness
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From: Andrew Sweger on Wed, Oct 27, 1993 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: Ascii printing in Pine

NCSA Telnet v2.5x for the Macintosh DOES understand the ASCII printing escape
sequences. When you select Print ('Y') from pine, you should get the normal
print dialog box. If you Cancel the print dialog, you should get the option to
spool the job for later printing.

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From: Joel Ness on Wed, Oct 27, 1993 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Ascii printing in Pine

Local printing...

[items deleted]

Joel Ness
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From: Rick Troxel <[email protected]>
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Hi, Dave. I just built 3.87 on our Convex yesterday. :^)

Imapd does not build, due to a symbol, _philedriver, that neither the
loader nor I have been able to resolve. I've reported this to
pine-bugs, BTW. I setenv CCOPTIONS -ext and made a few small makefile
mods to turn debugger hooks off (but leaving -DDEBUG) and optimization
on, but otherwise "build cvx" works fine for me.

Hope this helps,

Rick Troxel [email protected] 301/496-4823
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From: Dave Rasmussen <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 3 Nov 1993, Rick Troxel wrote:

> on, but otherwise "build cvx" works fine for me.
>

Some day I'll remember to use the -i option on grep :-)
when looking for proper names like convex in makefiles where
they appear as Convex.

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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Nov 1993 13:23:25 CST."
<[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1993 09:47:37 +0200
From: Pekka Kytolaakso <[email protected]>

Your message dated: Wed, 03 Nov 1993 13:23:25 CST
>
> Seems the last time I installed pine on our convex I got the source
> distribution from someone else. Wondered if anyone else has configured
> pine 3.87 to build on a convex beast and if I could get it or the diffs? We
> have a 220 with version 10.0.3 of convexos (closer to bsd than it really
> sounds :-)
>
> ----
> Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div.

You don't need any diff's. Just say

> ./build cvx

and it should work OK. The par has been made on a C3840 convexos 10.

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Troxel <[email protected]> writes:

Rick> Hi, Dave. I just built 3.87 on our Convex yesterday. :^) Imapd
Rick> does not build, due to a symbol, _philedriver, that neither the
Rick> loader nor I have been able to resolve. I've reported this to
There is bug in makefile.cvx.
You must add phile.o to c-client.a:

c-client.a: mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o nntpclient.o\
phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o
rm -f c-client.a
ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o \
nntpclient.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o \
sm_unix.o

and also add following rule to makefile:

phile.o: mail.h phile.h misc.h osdep.h

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: .addressbook to .mailrc
To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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I'm curious to know if there is way to convert .addressbook format into
mailrc format so that I can use command-line mailing to my pine
aliases. I know there is the brk2pine.sh program that comes with the
source that will apparently work it the other way.

As I said, my goal is to set up a .mailrc alias file that I can use to do
command line mailing. I'd probably run the program to do the conversions
at login or something jsut to keep up to date :-)

Thanks, y'all

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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 11:07:43 GMT
From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
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Subject: Message-of-the-Day
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A feature that we are missing for our PC-PINE users is the ability to
tell them things about the current service. Examples might be:

Mail server crash - messages sent between a/b/c and d/e/f might be lost
Relay broken: messages to EARN are currently being rejected

Users who logon to a system will get such things.

Can this be put onto a wishlist, please?
Obviously the text itself must be on the system which has the imap
daemon, so it is not totally trivial to implement!

=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713

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This is definitely on the list... we need it too!

-teg

On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote:

> A feature that we are missing for our PC-PINE users is the ability to
> tell them things about the current service. Examples might be:
>
> Mail server crash - messages sent between a/b/c and d/e/f might be lost
> Relay broken: messages to EARN are currently being rejected
>
> Users who logon to a system will get such things.
>
> Can this be put onto a wishlist, please?
> Obviously the text itself must be on the system which has the imap
> daemon, so it is not totally trivial to implement!
>
> =======================================================================
> Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
> University of Cambridge Computing Service
> [email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713
>
>
>

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From: Erik Lawaetz <[email protected]>
Subject: entering characters such as ^L in pico?
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Any way, perhaps in future versions, to enter control characters like ^L
and other key combinations used by pico in the text being edited, like
emacs' ^Q escape? Had a user recently who wanted to add some ^Ls for form
feed in a text.

--Erik

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 3.87 to convex platform?
To: Hannu Martikka <[email protected]>
Cc: Rick Troxel <[email protected]>, Dave Rasmussen <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
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Correct, makefile.cvx got missed when we added the philedriver to
c-client. Apologies for the omission. This will be corrected in
Pine 3.88.

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On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Hannu Martikka wrote:

> >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Troxel <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Rick> Hi, Dave. I just built 3.87 on our Convex yesterday. :^) Imapd
> Rick> does not build, due to a symbol, _philedriver, that neither the
> Rick> loader nor I have been able to resolve. I've reported this to
> There is bug in makefile.cvx.
> You must add phile.o to c-client.a:
>
> c-client.a: mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o nntpclient.o\
> phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o
> rm -f c-client.a
> ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o imap2.o news.o \
> nntpclient.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o \
> sm_unix.o
>
> and also add following rule to makefile:
>
> phile.o: mail.h phile.h misc.h osdep.h
>
> --
> Regards from Goodi
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: .addressbook to .mailrc
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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Writing a pine2brk.sh should be quite possible, but we do not have
one currently. If you would like to write/contribute one, we would
be happy to distribute it though...

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On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> I'm curious to know if there is way to convert .addressbook format into
> .mailrc format so that I can use command-line mailing to my pine
> aliases. I know there is the brk2pine.sh program that comes with the
> source that will apparently work it the other way.
>
> As I said, my goal is to set up a .mailrc alias file that I can use to do
> command line mailing. I'd probably run the program to do the conversions
> at login or something jsut to keep up to date :-)
>
> Thanks, y'all
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>
>

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: .addressbook to .mailrc
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

> Writing a pine2brk.sh should be quite possible, but we do not have
> one currently. If you would like to write/contribute one, we would
> be happy to distribute it though...

*sigh*

If only I had the basic skill to do one...

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n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day
To: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Cc: Barry Landy <[email protected]>,
Pine Info List <[email protected]>
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As an interesting kludge, you might try setting

incoming-folders=Message-Of-The-Day {imapserver}/etc/motd

This will give you an incoming folder, called Message-Of-The-Day and
containing a single "message" which has /etc/motd as the body. This
does require an imapd with the phile driver installed. Note that we
do not have alot of practical experience with the phile driver yet...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote:

> This is definitely on the list... we need it too!
>
> -teg
>
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote:
>
> > A feature that we are missing for our PC-PINE users is the ability to
> > tell them things about the current service. Examples might be:
> >
> > Mail server crash - messages sent between a/b/c and d/e/f might be lost
> > Relay broken: messages to EARN are currently being rejected
> >
> > Users who logon to a system will get such things.
> >
> > Can this be put onto a wishlist, please?
> > Obviously the text itself must be on the system which has the imap
> > daemon, so it is not totally trivial to implement!
> >
> > =======================================================================
> > Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
> > University of Cambridge Computing Service
> > [email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713
> >
> >
> >
>

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From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Terry Gray <[email protected]>,
Pine Info List <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> As an interesting kludge, you might try setting
>
> incoming-folders=Message-Of-The-Day {imapserver}/etc/motd
>

Interesting thought, but not really a practical possibility.

We are in **production** which means that there are a large number of
PINERC files out there on PCs, and we cannot go around changing them all,
even in the cases where we can find them (such as those on our Novell net).
Of course, if we had a MotD, then we could put such a message on it :-)

Still, we might experiment with that idea.
=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day
To: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Cc: David L Miller <[email protected]>,
Pine Info List <[email protected]>
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The real plan is for IMAPd to notice the existence of some file (not
necessarily /etc/motd, but maybe) and then send an unsolicited reply to
the client which would show up on Pine's message line.

This has the advantage that it does not require client configuration; it
has the disadvantage that the message must be small and may be fleeting...
Ultimately we may want to have a combination of both strategies, where
there might even be a future version of Pine that adds something to
existing pinerc files to allow easy access to a "system" folder... These
are just random thoughts while I'm between sessions at IETF; we have not
yet experimented with any of these mechanisms in real life.

-teg

On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Barry Landy wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > As an interesting kludge, you might try setting
> >
> > incoming-folders=Message-Of-The-Day {imapserver}/etc/motd
> >
>
> Interesting thought, but not really a practical possibility.
>
> We are in **production** which means that there are a large number of
> PINERC files out there on PCs, and we cannot go around changing them all,
> even in the cases where we can find them (such as those on our Novell net).
> Of course, if we had a MotD, then we could put such a message on it :-)
>
> Still, we might experiment with that idea.
> =======================================================================
> Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
> University of Cambridge Computing Service
> [email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713
>
>

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From: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day
To: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Cc: Barry Landy <[email protected]>, David L Miller <[email protected]>,
Pine Info List <[email protected]>
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Hi. I remember hearing about a bug in pine that would leave crashed imap
sessions up, running and increasing the load....well, i was wondering if
anyone knows why this is happening? I noticed on the machine i use most
often, that there are two that have been running for a while (the shorter has
been running for about 24 hours, the other, i don't know how long...)....

PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND
29500 melser 79 0 1200K 268K run 794:12 43.03% 42.97% pine.new
14652 tsobo 79 0 1192K 192K run 1008:10 41.85% 41.80% pine.new
^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
YOW!

..alex...

Alex Tang --- [email protected]@UMICHUM.BITNET
-----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II,
PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :)
or finger | "it's kinda like getting your wizdom teeth out...
You're glad you did it, but it wasn't much fun
at the time. --my friend on her trip to Japan.

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From: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day/Hung IMAP processes
To: Pine Info List <[email protected]>
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Whoops, looks like i did a wrong reply...i hate it when I do that....

Sorry folks, the previous message was meant to be a direct post to the
pine mailing list, with the subject "Hung IMAP processes"

..alex...

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message-of-the-Day
To: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Cc: Terry Gray <[email protected]>, Barry Landy <[email protected]>,
Pine Info List <[email protected]>
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Pine versions 3.85 through 3.87 have a bug that can cause runaway
processes if a connection is lost when waiting at a prompt in the
composer. This bug will be fixed in Pine 3.88.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Alex Tang wrote:

> Hi. I remember hearing about a bug in pine that would leave crashed imap
> sessions up, running and increasing the load....well, i was wondering if
> anyone knows why this is happening? I noticed on the machine i use most
> often, that there are two that have been running for a while (the shorter has
> been running for about 24 hours, the other, i don't know how long...)....
>
> PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND
> 29500 melser 79 0 1200K 268K run 794:12 43.03% 42.97% pine.new
> 14652 tsobo 79 0 1192K 192K run 1008:10 41.85% 41.80% pine.new
> ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
> YOW!
>
> ...alex...
>
> Alex Tang --- [email protected]@UMICHUM.BITNET
> -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II,
> PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :)
> or finger | "it's kinda like getting your wizdom teeth out...
> You're glad you did it, but it wasn't much fun
> at the time. --my friend on her trip to Japan.
>
>

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From: Alfredo De Regil <[email protected]>
Subject: Marking messages?
To: [email protected]
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Hi,

somebody told me that in 'elm' you can mark several messages and then
apply a function (reply, forward, delete, etc.) to them...

I want to do that in pine too... is it possible?

PD: if this is a FAQ question, please flame me but tell me where can I
find it! :)

Alfredo De Regil - Ing de Proyectos CECUA Universidad de las Americas
___________________________________________________________________________
Sugiere, Avisa, Pide, Alaba, Dona, Exige, Disculpate,
Inventa, Grita, Sincerate, Ignora, Saluda, Desea, Sonrie... ESCRIBE!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [email protected]

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Marking messages?
To: Alfredo De Regil <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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This is indeed an FAQ, but since we don't have an FAQ answer list
written up I guess you'll have to flame us ;)

This capability is not yet available in Pine, but is high on the list
of enhancements. We are not yet far enough along to have any
projection of when it will be available.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Alfredo De Regil wrote:

> Hi,
>
> somebody told me that in 'elm' you can mark several messages and then
> apply a function (reply, forward, delete, etc.) to them...
>
> I want to do that in pine too... is it possible?
>
>
> PD: if this is a FAQ question, please flame me but tell me where can I
> find it! :)
>
>
> Alfredo De Regil - Ing de Proyectos CECUA Universidad de las Americas
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Sugiere, Avisa, Pide, Alaba, Dona, Exige, Disculpate,
> Inventa, Grita, Sincerate, Ignora, Saluda, Desea, Sonrie... ESCRIBE!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [email protected]
>
>

From [email protected] Fri Nov 5 18:27:05 1993
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 22:12:07 -500 (EST)
From: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Subject: Attachments - fax
To: [email protected]
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Is it possible to attach a fax and view it with PINE?

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Attachments - fax
To: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Pine does not currently understand FAX formats directly, but you can
attach a FAX as an application/octet-stream, save it in a file upon
reciept and view it with an external FAX viewer.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:

>
>
> Is it possible to attach a fax and view it with PINE?
>
>

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Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Attachments - fax
To: [email protected] (David L Miller)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 11:31:38 -0800 (PST)
Cc: [email protected], [email protected]
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "David L Miller" at Nov 6, 93 10:29:40 am
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Or, possibly convert the fax image to a TIFF or PCX file and use
one of the image viewers commonly available. But I think we're
saying about the same same thing.

> Pine does not currently understand FAX formats directly, but you can
> attach a FAX as an application/octet-stream, save it in a file upon
> reciept and view it with an external FAX viewer.

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: How to PGP sign a message in pine
To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I've long wanted the ability to PGP sign a message in pine. The
following is sorta a solution, and isn't perfect, but it does perform the
necesssary function.

- ----------------------------

1) Extract the following to a file called 'picopgp' (or whatever you
wish to call it).

- ---> begin script
#!/bin/sh

pico -z -t $1
pgp -s $1
mv $1.asc $1
- ---> end script

2) chmod it to be executable and put it into your path
3) change your alternate editor to 'picopgp'

- -------

Then, if ever you want to sign a message, you can invoke your alternate
editor command (^_) and it will sign it for you.

As I said, this isn't perfect, but it is functional.

If you have any questions, just ask. I spent about 5 minutes on this,
so there could be problems (more bugs than lines of code, that's my motto :-)

Have a nice day.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
\/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
\/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
(GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.3a

iQCVAgUBLNwX2Z3BsrEqkf9NAQGlCAP+MSvBid5fK8hf9J2EaaWbBItNSFl/+MGf
EsAsTvVdr/I+YJWXpWTpdwTYrKZim7P44XCiYgbVq4Y7sVP2RYSXYcmFwbEDhb0p
DcXvqP0QKTEP9Keo1yR1kMeySoYUAYUtfKeTpDqNg723iH14zHzy3tpDUq+4Xi0M
u2pgp8w/vc4=
=oh1q
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From [email protected] Sat Nov 6 14:03:32 1993
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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: oops, slight correction on PGP script
To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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Sorry, here is a corrected version of the PGP script I just mailed. I
have my environment defined with the following options, which are not the
default:
Armor = on # Use -a flag for ASCII armor whenever applicable
TextMode = on # Attempt to use -t option where applicable

Thus, here is a corrected script to allow the message to maintain text
conformity. Apologies.

----------------------
#!/bin/sh

pico -z -t $1
pgp -sat $1
mv $1.asc $1
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Is Pine for Windows-NT planned?

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From: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
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I am new to Pine and imapd, I don't want to take a lot of band-width up on
the questions I have on imapd, could someone, willing to help me, email
me and I can ask for help via email?

thanks.

Steve

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:
> I am new to Pine and imapd, I don't want to take a lot of band-width up on
> the questions I have on imapd, could someone, willing to help me, email
> me and I can ask for help via email?

I am the author of imapd. You may send specific technical questions on
imapd to me. Please read the documentation first, including the Pine
technical notes, since many frequently asked questions appear in this
document.

In general, however, sending questions to a personal mailbox of a Pine
team member is a bad idea. You may guess wrong as to who should field a
question (in which case we have to forward the message to the rest of the
team); the question may be of interest to someone else (in which case the
question will answered again); or the Pine team member in question may be
on vacation or otherwise off-line (in which case your response will be
delayed).

So, in general, please continue to use [email protected] and/or
[email protected].

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 15:56:34 -500 (EST)
From: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: imapd
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I have looked and hopefully well :) I have imapd set up in /etc/services and
/etc/inetd.conf, I am trying to find an example of .imapdrc but can't.

I also couldn't find an example of pine.conf, but that doesn't seem to be
a problem as pine made a .pinerc for me as soon as I brought it up.

Anyway to the point. I have imapd running on eng.futurenet.com, I am
trying to run pine as a client on oak.futurenet.com and it appears imapd
may be ok on eng, but I still can't open my inbox from oak. I am
getting the following error when I try after it asks me for my login and
password on eng:

IMAP broken in reply

I do have a link between imapd and rimapd

I can send you my pine-debug if you need it as well.

thanks in advance

System:SCO 3.2v4.2

>
> In general, however, sending questions to a personal mailbox of a Pine
> team member is a bad idea. You may guess wrong as to who should field a
> question (in which case we have to forward the message to the rest of the
> team); the question may be of interest to someone else (in which case the
> question will answered again); or the Pine team member in question may be
> on vacation or otherwise off-line (in which case your response will be
> delayed).
>
> So, in general, please continue to use [email protected] and/or
> [email protected].
>

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:
> I have looked and hopefully well :) I have imapd set up in /etc/services and
> /etc/inetd.conf, I am trying to find an example of .imapdrc but can't.

You should not need an ~/.imaprc or /etc/imapdrc file. These files
control only two aspects of behavior. One aspect is obscure (and may be
eliminated in the future); the other defaults to the behavior which
should be correct 99% of the time.

There is a possibility that these files themselves may become extinct.

> Anyway to the point. I have imapd running on eng.futurenet.com, I am
> trying to run pine as a client on oak.futurenet.com and it appears imapd
> may be ok on eng, but I still can't open my inbox from oak. I am
> getting the following error when I try after it asks me for my login and
> password on eng:
>
> IMAP broken in reply

Most likely, it is ``IMAP connection broken in reply''? This is probably
because the imapd has crashed. Most likely, something in the
server_login() routine in c-client/os_???.c (probably os_sco.c since you
are using an SCO system) is failing for some reason. Since I don't have
access to any SCO system, I can't debug it myself.

Here's what you should do. Become root (so imapd thinks it is not logged
in and so it can log in), and then run imapd under a debugger. After
starting it, give a command such as:
A001 LOGIN fred secret
(where ``fred'' is a user name and ``secret'' is a password). If there's
a problem, it'll probably crash at that point. Figure out why it
crashed, and fix it.

Another possibility may have to do with the mailbox format. I believe
that SCO uses MMDF format mailboxes. The MMDF code in c-client is
contributed code and I have no idea how well it actually works; I have
never used either MMDF or SCO so all I can do is guess.

Good luck in debugging. If you determine the problem and have a fix,
please send it to me.

> I do have a link between imapd and rimapd

That would only affect passwordless access. I don't think it is related
to this problem.

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One way of debugging server problems separately from the client
software, is just to telnet to the appropriate port:
telnet loghost 143
( Or if it is in your /etc/services file, "telnet loghost imap" )
and type in the commands. ( And there just happens to be a sample
exchange in RFC1176 ):

A Typical Scenario

Client Server
------ ------
{Wait for Connection}
{Open Connection} -->
<-- * OK IMAP2 Server Ready
{Wait for command}
A001 LOGIN Fred Secret -->
<-- A001 OK User Fred logged in
{Wait for command}
A002 SELECT INBOX -->
<-- * FLAGS (Meeting Notice \Answered
\Flagged \Deleted \Seen)
<-- * 19 EXISTS
<-- * 2 RECENT
<-- A0002 OK Select complete
{Wait for command}
[ ... ]

A007 LOGOUT -->
<-- * BYE IMAP2 server quitting
<-- A007 OK Logout complete
{Close Connection} --><-- {Close connection}
{Go back to start}

- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) <[email protected]>
- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine for WINDOWS-NT Planned?
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On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:

> Is Pine for Windows-NT planned?

Steven,
There are at least two definitions of "Pine for Windows-NT".

-The first would be a port of the current Pine, with its
character-oriented user interface, to Win-NT.

-The second would be a true GUI application, based on Pine
but not necessarily having any visible similarity, that
ran on Win-NT.

As for UW plans: we definitely intend to make a Winsock/Windows version
of Pine, with its current user-interface, and this same code might port
to NT without much difficulty.

As for a full GUI version of Pine for Windows (and thereafter, perhaps
Win-NT): we've certainly talked about it, and if resources permit, and
other alternatives don't obviate the need, we will definitely be
considering such a project.

-teg

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From: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Attachments - fax
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I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc
file if I define:

# Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF
image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview

Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry?

Thanks.

Steve

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From: Ross Wakelin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Error compiling with sv4...
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On Wed, 3 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote:

> I tried compiling pine under sv4, and all was well, until it tried to
> compile pine itself... I got the following error:
>
> cc -O pine.c -o pine
> "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 66: identifier redeclared: system
> "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 154: identifier redeclared: rename
> "./../c-client/osdep.h", line 108: warning: identifier redeclared: gethostid
> "pine.c", line 1915: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
> *** Error code 1 (bu21)
>
> make: fatal error.
>
> The only changes made to makefile.sv4 were to comment out the entire
> DEBUG line and to uncomment the optimize line... These changes worked for
> the sunos version of pine, so I didn't think there'd be a problem with
> sv4 pine...
>
>
>
This is because of a small confusion about what the sv4 port of pine
really is... its a sv4.2 port. The sv4 port as distributed with 3.84 is
a port to sv4.2, tested on several vendors and architectures. The
straight sv4 port was done on 3.84 (oh so long ago now :)), and needed
some hacking to the order of header files etc, so the patches were REALLY
long. We decided to move straight to sv4.2, and also cover solaris, and
hope that most people with ordinary sv4.0 would migrate forward in the
fullness of time. There are two or three hacks that must be done to the
"sv4" port to make it work on 4.0. Do you want the list?

Cheers.

Ross Wakelin [email protected]
Open Systems Director or ..mcsun!uknet!uknet!march!rossw
March Systems Consultancy Ltd +44 734 845 399

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From: Oved Ben-Aroya <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine (3.87) via terminal server connections
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Some terminal servers transtale ^C to break in their telnet. This causes
grief to our users when they try to cancel a message in compose mode.

The following code seems to make ^C work in pine, even with T.S. of this
kind:

% cd pico
% rcsdiff os_unix.c
RCS file: RCS/os_unix.c,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 os_unix.c
2c2
< static char rcsid[] = "$Id: os_unix.c,v 1.1 93/10/17 14:58:49 oved Exp $";
---
> static char rcsid[] = "$Id: os_unix.c,v 4.26 1993/10/06 17:12:54 mikes
Exp $";
413a414,419
>
> /* XXX try to handle telnet IP */
> if ((c & 0x80) != 0) { /* may be IP in telnet */
> c = CTRL | 'C';
> sleep(1); /* prevent local output flush problems */
> }

Could this, please, be merged in the official distribution?

--
\Oved

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From: [email protected] (Rhonda Gaines)
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I have pico v2.1 compiled and running on all our rs6000s, except one.
When you try and execute pico you get the error message: "Unknown
terminal type vt220!"

The machines are setup alike as far as I know. Aix version 3.2.0.
Anyone have any idea what could be the problem? I even re-compiled pico
directly on the machine and still get the same error message.

-thanks
rhonda

--
=========================================================================
Rhonda Gaines, Programmer [email protected]
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: problem running pico
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The problem seems to be that some AIX systems have a rather limited
/etc/termcap database. One solution proposed by a number of people
is to recompile replacing "-ltermcap" with "-lcurses" in the
makefile.a32. Alternatively, you can copy an /etc/termcap from a
machine that has a more complete one. We are investigating changing
the default for the next release, but have not decided for certain yet.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 8 Nov 1993, Rhonda Gaines wrote:

> I have pico v2.1 compiled and running on all our rs6000s, except one.
> When you try and execute pico you get the error message: "Unknown
> terminal type vt220!"
>
> The machines are setup alike as far as I know. Aix version 3.2.0.
> Anyone have any idea what could be the problem? I even re-compiled pico
> directly on the machine and still get the same error message.
>
> -thanks
> rhonda
>
> --
> =========================================================================
> Rhonda Gaines, Programmer [email protected]
> Chesapeake Packaging Co. Voice: (804) 254-8613 Fax: (804) 355-4968
> 2104 W. Laburnum Avenue, Suite 209 Richmond, VA 23227

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Attachments - fax
To: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
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Pine currently assumes that "image-viewer" can handle gif, pgm, pbm,
tiff, and jpeg image sub-types. With that in mind, your definition
should work.

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On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:

> I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc
> file if I define:
>
>
> # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF
> image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview
>
> Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
>
>
>

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Thanks for the quick replies. Replacing -ltermcap with -lcurses does
indeed correct the "Unknown terminal type" error

-thanks again
rhonda

P.S. I've become a 'goddess' in the sight of my users since I've
installed pico. No more vi for them!

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=========================================================================
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I use tin for reading news. One of the neatest features is the
way it handles signature files. It has a standard signature
(.sigfixed I think) like Pine does now, but also allows the
inclusion of a second, random signature. For example, the
tinrc file (?) contains a signature file option. If a directory
rather than a file is specified, tin will choose a random
file from that directory and include it after the standard
sigfixed signature file.

I realize this isn't a practical feature, but it would be a neat
addition to Pine.

Just my 2 cents worth,

- Darryl

------------------------------------------------------------
Darryl Friesen | [email protected]
Client Services | [email protected]
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University of Saskatchewan | "Team OS/2"
------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
Subject: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
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EXIT PROTOCOL:
--------------

I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico.
When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts
(I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN!

May I suggest that when the user specifies quit/discard
that they be asked: "Do you really want to lose your work?"

Suggest the following sequence:
Do you really want to quit pico? (y,n) [n]
If y:
Do you want to save to <filename>? (y,n) [n]
if n:
Do you REALLY want to lose your work? (y,n) [n]
if n:
continue editing.

JUSTIFICATION ERRORS (^J):
--------------------------

Pico loses the double space at sentence end if the preceding sentence
ends with: " )

-mr

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From: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine process
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To the list people: This pine will process was mailing a user named
will, and had been suspended. Why would it still be sucking up CPU
cycles while suspended. If it matters, I had logged out without killing
the job.

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Pete Hartman wrote:
> You need to be more careful. I just killed a process running "pine
> will" that had racked up over *52000* CPU minutes. Don't let it
> happen again.

Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________
Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]|
Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| |
Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__|
=========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System ||
LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________
__/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a
_/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =)

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine process
To: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
Cc: Pete Hartman <[email protected]>,
Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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Pine 3.87 has an annoying little bug that crops up when you get
disconnected while in the composer. Basically, it is waiting for
user input, detects an I/O failure, and tries to kill itself.
Unfortunately, the signal handler just sets a flag and returns to the
input loop :(

This will be fixed in Pine 3.88 which should be out later this week.

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|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote:

> To the list people: This pine will process was mailing a user named
> will, and had been suspended. Why would it still be sucking up CPU
> cycles while suspended. If it matters, I had logged out without killing
> the job.
>
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Pete Hartman wrote:
> > You need to be more careful. I just killed a process running "pine
> > will" that had racked up over *52000* CPU minutes. Don't let it
> > happen again.
>
>
> Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________
> Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]|
> Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| |
> Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__|
> =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System ||
> LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________
> __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a
> _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =)
>
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: A feature request...
To: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" <[email protected]>
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Yeah, neat feature! Maybe I'll add it in my copious free time ;)

Of course, if you get ambitious, it would be pretty easy to hack it
into the get_signature() function at the bottom of pine/reply.c and
build your own :)

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote:

>
> I use tin for reading news. One of the neatest features is the
> way it handles signature files. It has a standard signature
> (.sigfixed I think) like Pine does now, but also allows the
> inclusion of a second, random signature. For example, the
> .tinrc file (?) contains a signature file option. If a directory
> rather than a file is specified, tin will choose a random
> file from that directory and include it after the standard
> .sigfixed signature file.
>
> I realize this isn't a practical feature, but it would be a neat
> addition to Pine.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth,
>
> - Darryl
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Darryl Friesen | [email protected]
> Client Services | [email protected]
> Dept of Computing Services |
> University of Saskatchewan | "Team OS/2"
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:06:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
To: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine-Info Email List <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:

> EXIT PROTOCOL:
> --------------
>
> I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico.
> When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts
> (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN!

This has actually happened to me a few times. I am not sure that a
sequence of messages is desirable though. I hate stuff like this....

Do you want to save?
Are you sure you don't want to save?
All of your changes will be lost, last chance. Do you want to save?
OK, you don't want to save, but are you sure you want to exit now?
Postive?

Cause idiots like me will just get used to hitting nnnyy out of habbit!

One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like
Pnews does.

Example:

Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n
A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind

And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving,
lastchance will be overwritten again.

Come to think of it, emacs does something similar with quits without saves.

Ken Weaverling [email protected]
Manager of Computer Services
Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
Delaware Technical & Community College

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Hi. I am new to this list and Pine, and I was hoping that you experienced Pine
users/administrators could help with a few questions I have. I have read
through the docs, but can't find the answers I need (maybe I don't have all the
docs?!) Most of these questions are specific to my platform, but others may be
straight Pine configuration problems.

I am installing Pine for usage by our dial-up users. I am working with Pine
3.87 on a NeXTstation running NEXTSTEP 3.1. I have everything compiled, and it
works great, but there are a few problems I am having with the configuration:

1. e-mail address full name expansion: This really isn't a problem because I
have it working, but I feel like I used duct tape to make it work. The way our
campus mail configuration is (we have one mail server for approx 280
workstations) all mail is sent to [email protected] (no hostnames attached,
just the domain name.) All machines on campus mount /usr/spool/mail from the
mailhost. Also, the way our hosts are set, the "hostname" command will return
"hostname" not "hostname.alleg.edu". So...

a. if a Pine user composes mail, types in an on-campus address in the To:
field, it is expanded to "Full Name <user@hostname>" which is incorrect (it
should have the domain name and not the hostname).

b. If I set the "user-domain" variable in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to
"alleg.edu" then the e-mail address is now expanded to "[email protected]" (correct
e-mail address, but no full name expansion anymore...ugh!)

c. If I change the hostname of the machine so that the hostname command
returns "hostname.alleg.edu", and set the "use-only-domain-name" variable in
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf then the e-mail address is expanded to "Full Name
<[email protected]>" which is exactly what I want....hurray!

But, the problem with configuration "c" is that I now have 1 machine who's
hostname includes the domain name, while all other 279 machines on campus don't
include the hostname. No big deal, but it would be nice to understand what is
going on here. Is there a NeXT Sys Admin out there that had the same problem?
I figure that the full name expansion is done via netinfo, but why can't Pine do
the full name expansion if you have "user-domain" set?!

2. I would like to hear from users running Pine on NeXTs. I have been trying to
see how compatable NeXTmail and Pine are:
a. has someone written a script/program to put the ~/.NeXT/.mailaliases into
the ~/.addressbook format (it should be simple, but I thought I would ask first)
b. can Pine read NeXTmail attachements or handle the NeXTmail mailbox format
(table_of_contents) with a driver of some sort? Is Pine flexible enough that
one could be written and sort of slapped on the side if you wanted?
c. is there a NeXT application that I can use which will decode both
NeXTmail and MIME attachments so that I don't have to give 2 different
applications to my users (one for NeXTmail attachments and one for MIME)??
d. Mail.app in NEXTSTEP 3.1 removes the /usr/spool/mail/username file after
it gets the mail. If no new mail has arrived and a user runs Pine, Pine
complains when it starts up saying that INBOX doesn't exist and no folder is
open and it beeps a few times. I have a feeling that this will confuse our
users (sounds sad doesn't it.) Is there anyway around this?

3. Was Pine somewhat developed on a NeXT?! I was surprised to see NeXT app MIME
interfaces on ftp.cac.washington.edu. Also, some references in the
documentation refer to features being available on the NeXT, but not tested on
other platforms.

4. Is there a specific technical document (besides the code) that details how
Pine and netinfo communicate?

Thanks for your time,
Aaron
---
Aaron Herskowitz [NeXTmail and MIME Welcomed] E-Mail: [email protected]
Academic Systems Manager, Technical and Network Services Voice: (814)332-2755
Allegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania Fax: (814)333-9699

From [email protected] Mon Nov 8 14:28:11 1993
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From: Brian Williams <[email protected]>
Subject: Printing in pico
To: [email protected]
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Possible enhancement:

Printing to a local printer in pine is working well for our users from
most terminals or PC's. I'd like to have similar capabilities in pico.
Possible?

Brian Williams Automation Manager
Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205
(503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) [email protected]

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 14:12:00 -0800 (PST)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Cc: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>,
Pine-Info Email List <[email protected]>
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional
deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as
well?

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:
>
> > EXIT PROTOCOL:
> > --------------
> >
> > I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico.
> > When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts
> > (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN!
>
> This has actually happened to me a few times. I am not sure that a
> sequence of messages is desirable though. I hate stuff like this....
>
> Do you want to save?
> Are you sure you don't want to save?
> All of your changes will be lost, last chance. Do you want to save?
> OK, you don't want to save, but are you sure you want to exit now?
> Postive?
>
> Cause idiots like me will just get used to hitting nnnyy out of habbit!
>
> One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like
> Pnews does.
>
> Example:
>
> Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n
> A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind
>
> And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving,
> .lastchance will be overwritten again.
>
> Come to think of it, emacs does something similar with quits without saves.
>
>
> Ken Weaverling [email protected]
> Manager of Computer Services
> Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
> Delaware Technical & Community College
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:10:40 -500 (EST)
From: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Attachments - fax
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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I attached the fax as a fax and sent it to the other box; that didn't
work. I converted the fax to a tiff file and that didn't work.
I set the "image-viewer" to tiffview and that didn't work; all I got
was:
"don't know how to display attachment Image/TIFF"

Any suggestions?

Norstan Communications, Inc. | Steven E. Frazier
8101 N. High Street Suite 100 |---------------------------------------
Columbus, OH 43235 | Local : sfrazier
Voice 614-785-7335 Fax 614-785-7367 | Remote: [email protected]

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Pine currently assumes that "image-viewer" can handle gif, pgm, pbm,
> tiff, and jpeg image sub-types. With that in mind, your definition
> should work.
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:
>
> > I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc
> > file if I define:
> >
> >
> > # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF
> > image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview
> >
> > Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Attachments - fax
To: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Oops, sorry, that's a fix that is coming in 3.88... Should be out in
a few days...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:

> I attached the fax as a fax and sent it to the other box; that didn't
> work. I converted the fax to a tiff file and that didn't work.
> I set the "image-viewer" to tiffview and that didn't work; all I got
> was:
> "don't know how to display attachment Image/TIFF"
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Norstan Communications, Inc. | Steven E. Frazier
> 8101 N. High Street Suite 100 |---------------------------------------
> Columbus, OH 43235 | Local : sfrazier
> Voice 614-785-7335 Fax 614-785-7367 | Remote: [email protected]
>
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Pine currently assumes that "image-viewer" can handle gif, pgm, pbm,
> > tiff, and jpeg image sub-types. With that in mind, your definition
> > should work.
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:
> >
> > > I have a "tiffview" which will allow me to view tiff files. In the .pinerc
> > > file if I define:
> > >
> > >
> > > # Program to view images if format such as GIF and TIFF
> > > image-viewer=/usr/local/bin/tiffview
> > >
> > > Should this work, or what is the purpuse of this entry?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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From: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

> We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional
> deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as
> well?

One problem I see with this, we use pico as our default editor. Gets loaded
for lots of things, like when composing a message for Pnews or trn for
example.

Maybe just an internal command to retrieve last unsaved message.

Sorry, I don't have a constructive suggestion on this one. I do fear
feature overload though.

Ken Weaverling [email protected]
Manager of Computer Services
Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
Delaware Technical & Community College

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Folder names in save
To: Steve Woodyatt <[email protected]>
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Sorry to take so long getting back to you. The latest versions of
pine should successfully ferret out the correct name to save to. BTW,
the current version is 3.87 but Pine 3.88 should be out in a few days.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 22 Sep 1993, Steve Woodyatt wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Probably something that has been addressed in the new version of Pine, however
> I'll mention it anyway.
>
> I regularly receive mail with headers of the form:
>
> From: Tourenne
> <uunet.UU.NET!vital!unixmailgate!tourenne@squiggle.resntl.bhp.com.au>
> To:uunet.UU.NET!uunet!VENUS.RESNTL.BHP.COM.AU!steve@squiggle.resntl.bhp.com.au
> Subject: RE: Hello
>
> When I go to save the message in a folder, it tries to create a folder
> named:
>
> uunet.UU.NET!vital!unixmailgate!tourenne@squiggle.resntl.bhp.com.au
>
> which of course I want to change. The only problem is that the length of
> the name of that default folder leaves me no room to type a new folder
> name in, after the prompt!
>
> Steve.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------/\/\---
> Steve Woodyatt, Research Scientist, Geoscience & Spatial Systems. / / /\
> BHP Research - Newcastle Laboratories, Australia./ / / \
> Snail : P.O. Box 188, Wallsend 2287 / / / /\ \
> Tel : +61 49 510695 Fax: +61 49 502126 \ \/ / / /
> Internet: [email protected] \ / / /
> ------------------------------------------------------------------\/\/\/--
>
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Printing in pico
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Well, one of the big problems with providing a print capability from
within pico is that we don't have any function keys left to call the
new command from... Probably the best advice we can offer is to save
the file, exit pine (or suspend it), and use a utility like ansiprt,
which is supplied in the contrib directory of the Pine distribution.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Brian Williams wrote:

> Possible enhancement:
>
> Printing to a local printer in pine is working well for our users from
> most terminals or PC's. I'd like to have similar capabilities in pico.
> Possible?
>
> Brian Williams Automation Manager
> Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205
> (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) [email protected]
>
>
>

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: re: Trying to Configure Pine
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Hi -

Here is an answer to some of your questions. I don't know the answer to
all of them; hopefully one of my colleagues can fill in the blanks.

Pine does not read NeXTmail attachments. There are no plans to do so.
NeXTmail is a private format used only by NeXT. The Internet standard is
MIME. I have no idea when, or even if, NeXT plans to fix NeXTmail to use MIME
instead of their proprietary format; there have been reports of such work.

I hope you appreciate the problems we face if we start trying to support
non-standard proprietary formats. Even if we did, NeXTmail would be fairly
low on the priority list compared to cc:mail, Oracle, Microsoft Mail, etc.

I have heard rumors of NeXT applications which will translate NeXTmail
into MIME, but I don't know of any directly.

Personally, I recommend that you give serious consideration to abandoning
NeXTmail. It is a dead end. No other vendors support it, or to my knowledge
have any plans for future support, whereas many vendors support (or have
announced plans to support) MIME, including Microsoft.

NeXTmail's hiding of mailboxes in its own private directory was a reason
(there were others) why NeXTmail was never seriously considered around here.
You could try adding a c-client module to Pine to recognize where NeXTmail
hides mail. Take a look at the mbox module to see how you do subclassing of
the bezerk driver in c-client. You may be able to win with a minor
modification to the mbox_file() routine, plus linking in the mboxdriver in the
pine.c main module via an appropriate mail_link() call.

Pine was developed on a NeXT, as that was the workstation sitting on its
programmer's desk. The current development platform is ULTRIX, although that
will change soon. c-client, the underlying engine used by Pine, was
originally developed on a Macintosh, but has been homed on a NeXT for the past
five years. However, the NeXT is used strictly as a BSD Unix clone.

MailManager, the NeXT GUI application, was started at about the same time
as Pine, but development on it ended three years ago when it became clear that
NeXT wasn't going anywhere (there were tens of MailManager users compared to
thousands of Pine users back then...). I still use MailManager, but it is
showing its age compared to Pine. One benefit of MailManager is that it is a
NeXT GUI application and does interoperate completely with Pine.

Pine uses the standard UNIX system calls for system information lookup.
There is no specific knowledge in Pine of NetInfo.

-- Mark --

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From: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:
> > EXIT PROTOCOL:
> > --------------
> > I just lost several hours work when trying to leave pico.
> > When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts
> > (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN!
> This has actually happened to me a few times. I am not sure that a
> sequence of messages is desirable though. I hate stuff like this....
> Do you want to save?
> Are you sure you don't want to save?
> All of your changes will be lost, last chance. Do you want to save?
> OK, you don't want to save, but are you sure you want to exit now?
> Postive?
> Cause idiots like me will just get used to hitting nnnyy out of habbit!
> One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like
> Pnews does.
> Example:
> Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n
> A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind
> And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving,
> .lastchance will be overwritten again.
But what do you do if you're editting a Really Large File and have to
worry about quotas?

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From: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
Subject: Login name replacement...
To: PINE <[email protected]>
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I'm asking this question for a friend...Please forgive me! :-)

Anyway, this friend of mine (login: schilkk) wishes to have pine change
the loginname in the from line from [email protected] to
[email protected]. He knows how to change the domain to cs.orst.edu, but
he wished to change the login as well.

We thought, at first, to change the smtp-server variable to a script that
took STDIN and replaces all instances of schilkk with rat, but apparently
smtp-server is looking for a machine name, rather than a
binary...(defaulting to 'sendmail' is what confused us, I guess...)

Anyway, any help on this would be appreciated...

(He wishes to do this since the login [email protected] is actually a mail
alias that beames his mail to several locations automagically...)

Later...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason R. Thorpe | | 434 Weatherford Hall
OSU Computer Science | [email protected] | Corvallis, OR 97331
Support Staff | | (503) 737-9533

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From: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
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> > We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional
> > deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as
> > well?
>
> One problem I see with this, we use pico as our default editor. Gets loaded
> for lots of things, like when composing a message for Pnews or trn for
> example.
>
> Maybe just an internal command to retrieve last unsaved message.

Perhaps something like "pico -r" to recover the file specified, like
with vi? That would probably be easier than an Emacs style recovery.

Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060

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From: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Subject: Address books?
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Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if
users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one.
Sorry if this something that has already be hashed through.

Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060

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From: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
To: Pine-Info Email List <[email protected]>
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For me, it seems the intuitive thing is ...
after I give the 'exit' command,
'n' should abort the immediately previous command (exit)
That is, 'n' should abort exit and return to editing.

I have started using ^O frequently during an edit session now!
-mr

> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > We have been mulling over the possibility of adding an optional
> > deleted-messages folder. Perhaps these messages should go there as
> > well?

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Login name replacement...
To: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
Cc: PINE <[email protected]>
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Pine does not have a way to do that on Unix. A future version of
Pine will have support for the Reply-To header though...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Jason R. Thorpe wrote:

> I'm asking this question for a friend...Please forgive me! :-)
>
> Anyway, this friend of mine (login: schilkk) wishes to have pine change
> the loginname in the from line from [email protected] to
> [email protected]. He knows how to change the domain to cs.orst.edu, but
> he wished to change the login as well.
>
> We thought, at first, to change the smtp-server variable to a script that
> took STDIN and replaces all instances of schilkk with rat, but apparently
> smtp-server is looking for a machine name, rather than a
> binary...(defaulting to 'sendmail' is what confused us, I guess...)
>
> Anyway, any help on this would be appreciated...
>
> (He wishes to do this since the login [email protected] is actually a mail
> alias that beames his mail to several locations automagically...)
>
> Later...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jason R. Thorpe | | 434 Weatherford Hall
> OSU Computer Science | [email protected] | Corvallis, OR 97331
> Support Staff | | (503) 737-9533
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Address books?
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Cc: pine-info <[email protected]>
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Yes!!! A future version of Pine will have support for system-wide
addressbooks, as well as remote IMAP and IMSP addressbooks and
probably X.500 directory services.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

> Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if
> users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one.
> Sorry if this something that has already be hashed through.
>
> Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
> UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
> Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060
>

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From: Dean Pentcheff <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PICO; justification; quit/discard confirm.
To: [email protected]
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:
> > ....
> > When it asked "Save before leaving?", I had second thoughts
> > (I actually wanted to continue editing) and replied 'n'. DAMN!
> ....
> One possibility is to save it anyway in a 'last chance' file, sort of like
> Pnews does.
> Example:
> Modified buffer: Save before leaving (y/n)? n
> A copy of the file was saved to .lastchance in case you change your mind
> And only, of course, have one copy. Next time they quit without saving,
> .lastchance will be overwritten again.
>....

I like this idea a lot! The flaw is that the user is quite likely to
forget what the magic lastchance file is called. So, the next time pico
(or pine in compose-mode) is started by that user, it should alert them to
the existence of the backup file and ask if it should be recovered into
the editor. It should do this even if the user has specified a filename
on the command line, since they may not realize how the recover feature
works.

-Dean
--
N. Dean Pentcheff
Biological Sciences, Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC 29208 (803-777-8998)
Internet addresses: [email protected] or [email protected]

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Address books?
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>,
pine-info <[email protected]>
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Just to set expectations properly:
-system-wide address books will probably happen before directory svcs;
-x.500 has not yet been declared the winner in the d.s. sweepstakes...

-teg

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Yes!!! A future version of Pine will have support for system-wide
> addressbooks, as well as remote IMAP and IMSP addressbooks and
> probably X.500 directory services.
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:
>
> > Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if
> > users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one.
> > Sorry if this something that has already be hashed through.
> >
> > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
> > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
> > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060
> >
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 17:07:12 -0800 (PST)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Saving Mail into other folders...
To: Lord Highway of K'tara <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Sorry about the delayed reply to this. The "From " line is simply the
message separator for a particular mailbox format. It is very unwise
to rely on this for anything else. In particular, for the pure IMAP
case, the user has no control over or direct access to that line, if
it even exists in the format the particular server is using.

Hope this helps!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 24 Sep 1993, Lord Highway of K'tara wrote:

>
> Okay... when I save incoming mail to other folders... it changes the
> From field in the mail format...
>
> before:
>
> > From [email protected]
>
> Save to folder:
>
> > From [email protected]
>
> How do I change this or remedy this.
> --------------------- [ National Service Fraternity ] ----------------------
> UU UU MM MM DDDDDD [email protected] EEEEEEE MM MM
> UU UU MMM MMM DD DD "the snuggly, cuddly care bear" EE MMM MMM
> UU UU MM M MM DD DD 124 Englefield Drive EEEEE MM M MM
> UU UU MM MM DD DD Gaithersburg, MD 20878 EE MM MM
> UUUUUUU MM MM DDDDDD (301) 948-5174 EEEEEEE MM MM
> University of Maryland Internet: [email protected] Epsilon Mu
> College Park Bitnet: [email protected] Alpha Phi Omega
> ----------------- [ In Leadership, Friendship & Service ] ------------------
> {What is your name?} (Jean-Luc Picard.)
> {What is your quest?} (To seek out new life and civilization.)
> {What is the average warp speed of a bird of prey?} (Klingon or Romulan?)
> {What? I don't know that??!?! AIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!}
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:10:48 -0500
From: Paul Maclauchlan <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Address books?
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info mailing list <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:
> Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if
> users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one.

I agree! To me this would be the most useful enhancement to the Pine
*mailer*. News reading, MS Windows, endless folders and other stuff just
isn't as important... to me anyway.

--
../Paul Maclauchlan
Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto, Ontario (416) 364-2600
[email protected] -or- {...!uunet.ca,...!telly}!moore!paul
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From: Grant Fengstad <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Login name replacement...
To: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
Cc: PINE <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Jason R. Thorpe wrote:

> Anyway, this friend of mine (login: schilkk) wishes to have pine change
> the loginname in the from line from [email protected] to
> [email protected]. He knows how to change the domain to cs.orst.edu, but
> he wished to change the login as well.
>

I do not believe that this would be possible in Pine. What your friend
is looking for is Sendmail with the IDA enhancement kit. This version of
Sendmail will allow him/her to define a translation table that will
rewrite his address any way he wishes.

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___ Grant Fengstad, Canadi>n Airlines
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 21:48:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Subject: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine
To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote:

> Personally, I recommend that you give serious consideration to abandoning
> NeXTmail. It is a dead end. No other vendors support it, or to my knowledge
> have any plans for future support, whereas many vendors support (or have
> announced plans to support) MIME, including Microsoft.

Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about
Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin
hints here that Microsoft will. This could make for an interesting turn of
events in mail. (How about Lotus?)

thanx...alex...

Alex Tang --- [email protected]@UMICHUM.BITNET
-----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II,
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at the time. --my friend on her trip to Japan.

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 93 02:39:08 EST
From: Bill Williams <[email protected]>
Organization: East Tennessee State University
Subject: Re: problem running pico
To: [email protected]
In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) from
<[email protected]>

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) you said:
>
>The problem seems to be that some AIX systems have a rather limited
>/etc/termcap database. One solution proposed by a number of people
>is to recompile replacing "-ltermcap" with "-lcurses" in the
>makefile.a32. ...stuff deleted...

If I am remembering correctly you should *insert* the -lcurses in front
of the -ltermcap instead of replacing it. Seems like there was
something needed from the -ltermcap library, too.

Now, if I could just eliminate the 'IOTrap...coredump' problem on AIX
3.2.3 I could use the binary I get with the above method instead of
having to have a friend build it for me somewhere on a 3.2.4 system.

---------------------------------------
Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
East
Tennessee (615) 929-6853
State <[email protected]>
University <[email protected]>

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 03:37:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Chuang <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine
To: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Cc: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>, Pine Info <[email protected]>
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According to some of the reports floating around
at U of M, both Lotus and Microsoft have indicated
that they will be adding MIME at some point. I
have no idea of what the time frame would be...

As for IMAP, I don't think that is in the cards,
IMHO.

Email Migration Project Documentation Team
Benjamin Chuang, User Servcies, ITD, U of M

Go West!

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Alex Tang wrote:

> Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about
> Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin
> hints here that Microsoft will. This could make for an interesting turn of
> events in mail. (How about Lotus?)
>

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From: Dave King <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Dave King <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Login name replacement...
To: PINE <[email protected]>
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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When Reply-To: support is added to Pine, it would be very useful if the
feature whereby Pine puts a "+" next to a message in the index, could be
enhanced to recognise the user's Reply-To: variable, and consequently make
the operation of "+" more useful.

Dave

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Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol
[email protected] (JANET) [email protected] (INTERNET)

On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Pine does not have a way to do that on Unix. A future version of
> Pine will have support for the Reply-To header though...
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

[ Rest of thread deleted ... ]

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 12:08:17 GMT
From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine (3.87) via terminal server connections
To: Oved Ben-Aroya <[email protected]>
Cc: David L Miller <[email protected]>,
PINE INFO <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Oved Ben-Aroya wrote:

>
> Some terminal servers transtale ^C to break in their telnet. This causes
> grief to our users when they try to cancel a message in compose mode.
>

This problem is by no means restricted to ^-C; we are using LWP (on our
Novell network) which uses ^-O to send "client system break", this
inhibiting the "postpone" function.

=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 14:47:43 +0100 (MEZ)
From: Guenter Mueller <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine can't create Mailboxfiles
To: pine-l <[email protected]>
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Hello,
I have made a system wide pine.conf file which forces the users to the
mail-directory Mail (with big M) for compatibility with elm. Now, when a
new user invokes pine who hasn't used elm before, pine can't create the
necessary folders. I think, this is a bug or isn't it???

Kind Regards

Guenter

P.S.: I'm using PINE 3.87

Guenter Mueller [email protected] Phone: +49 761 203 -4622
University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

From [email protected] Tue Nov 9 08:39:32 1993
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: problem running pico
To: Bill Williams <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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I won't claim to be an AIXpert, but as far as I can tell, libcurses.a
is a strict superset of libtermcap.a, at least as far as Pine is
concerned.

The AIX system I have been testing on is running AIX 3.2.3, though I
wouldn't vouch for a vanilla installation, and it does not have any
problem with Pine. If you could send me a stack trace from a
coredump, I'll see if I can spot anything.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 9 Nov 1993, Bill Williams wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) you said:
> >
> >The problem seems to be that some AIX systems have a rather limited
> >/etc/termcap database. One solution proposed by a number of people
> >is to recompile replacing "-ltermcap" with "-lcurses" in the
> >makefile.a32. ...stuff deleted...
>
> If I am remembering correctly you should *insert* the -lcurses in front
> of the -ltermcap instead of replacing it. Seems like there was
> something needed from the -ltermcap library, too.
>
> Now, if I could just eliminate the 'IOTrap...coredump' problem on AIX
> 3.2.3 I could use the binary I get with the above method instead of
> having to have a friend build it for me somewhere on a 3.2.4 system.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
> East
> Tennessee (615) 929-6853
> State <[email protected]>
> University <[email protected]>

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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine

> Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about
> Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin

I'd received in the past some information about a cc:Mail <--> SMTP
gateway that automatically converts cc:Mail attachments to/from MIME.
I've no experience with this product as, unfortunately, we're using a
less ambition gateway. This is no the same as native support, but
helps. I don't recall the product.

I read in some industry rag that the next major release of cc:Mail will
include native MIME support. Sorry, cannot recall the reference. I do
recall that it was not expected for quite some time.

-KH

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder?
To: [email protected]
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"[email protected]"

I remember there was a discussion about two months ago about
people going over quota because of the sent mail folder. But
I don't remember if this question was addressed at the time --

Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see
a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the
nagging feeling it ought to be possible.

Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ.N.H.
[email protected]

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder?
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
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Just use

default-fcc=""

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 9 Nov 1993 [email protected] wrote:

> I remember there was a discussion about two months ago about
> people going over quota because of the sent mail folder. But
> I don't remember if this question was addressed at the time --
>
> Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see
> a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the
> nagging feeling it ought to be possible.
>
> Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ.N.H.
> [email protected]

From [email protected] Tue Nov 9 13:54:50 1993
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From: [email protected] (Andy Behrens)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 16:25:09 -0500
Organization: Burlington Coat Factory
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X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92)
To: Paul Maclauchlan <[email protected]>, "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Address books?
Cc: Pine Info mailing list <[email protected]>

Paul Maclauchlan wrote:
> > Are there any plans for a system-wide address book? It would be nice if
> > users could access both their private address book and a system-wide one.
>
> I agree! To me this would be the most useful enhancement to the Pine
> *mailer*. News reading, MS Windows, endless folders and other stuff just
> isn't as important... to me anyway.

Let me add my vote -- this is number one on our request list too.

Andy
Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Lane, Etna, N.H. 03750 (603) 643-2800

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder?
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1993 [email protected] wrote:

> Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see
> a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the
> nagging feeling it ought to be possible.

FROM THE .pinerc FILE:

# The default folder where a copy of outgoing mail is saved
default-fcc=sent-mail

Leave it blank and you will be good to go.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
\/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
\/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Can we turn off use of sent mail folder?
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1993 [email protected] wrote:

> I remember there was a discussion about two months ago about
> people going over quota because of the sent mail folder. But
> I don't remember if this question was addressed at the time --
>
> Can we turn off use of the sent mail folder? I did not see
> a place in .pinerc or pine.conf to do this but I have the
> nagging feeling it ought to be possible.

I think all you have to do is set the default-fcc="" (maybe?) I know it's
possible...

Later...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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OSU Computer Science | [email protected] | Corvallis, OR 97331
Support Staff | '...disclaimers apply.' | (503) 737-9533

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Thanks to Mark for his comments and explanations. I hope that everyone didn't
interpret my enthusiasm for NeXTSTEP as a monogamous operating system stance -
we have platforms running Ultrix, HP-UX, SunOS, MS-DOS, Mac. We are realistic
about other OSs, we just think that the NeXTSTEP environment currently suits
*our* user's needs (in both software development and ease of use) even if it
isn't anywhere near widely accepted.

I can understand the Pine programmers not supporting NeXTmail; I wouldn't
expect that. But I was wondering if any Pine users had taken it upon
themselves to write something for Pine that can read/send in the NeXTmail
proprietary format. I guess I can assume that there aren't too many NeXT users
on this list :-)

I would still like to know if any of my problems that are not totally NeXT
related can be solved:

1. if /usr/spool/mail/username doesn't exist, Pine complains and refuses to
open the INBOX (understandable since it isn't there.) Even if new mail arrives
to /usr/spool/mail/username, the user will not be notified since the INBOX
folder is not open. I realize that the cause of this is created by the NeXT
GUI mail application, but is there a simple work-around?

2. does a hostname need to contain the domain name to enable full name
expansion in the addressable fields? If I set "user-domain" in pine.conf, full
name expansion doesn't work.

Thanks again,
Aaron
---
Aaron Herskowitz [NeXTmail and MIME Welcomed] E-Mail: [email protected]
Academic Systems Manager, Technical and Network Services Voice: (814)332-2755
Allegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania Fax: (814)333-9699

From [email protected] Wed Nov 10 01:19:05 1993
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:01:16 +0100 (MEZ)
From: Guenter Mueller <[email protected]>
Subject: compiling pine3.87 on RS6000
To: [email protected]
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hello,
in order to compile this package on aix 3.2.4 with build a32 I have to
add an include statement to pine3.87/c-client/os_a32.c

#include <sys/time.h>

I think, it is easy to add this statement in the distribution.

BTW, there was the same behavior in 3.85

Kind Regards

Guenter

Guenter Mueller [email protected] Phone: +49 761 203 -4622
University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

From [email protected] Wed Nov 10 02:28:28 1993
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:42:58 +0100 (MET)
From: Tjeerd Jongeling <[email protected]>
Subject: Addrb.-sort and pine.hlp
To: "Univ.Wash. Pine Info List" <[email protected]>
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L.S.

I have 2 items on my wish-slip:

1. I would like to sort my (user's) Addressbooks on the first (nick-name)
column (in Unix- and PC-Pine as well).

2. I should prefer a small-as-possible pine.hlp, i think some information
in it could be placed in (one or more) separated readme-file(s) such as:
If ^C Doesn't Work on a Mac / What is MIME / History and Origin of Pine /
Pine x.x update / Pine contributors / Copyright notice ...

With kind regards,

Tjeerd Jongeling (System Manager)
Delft University of Technology
Faculty of Mechanical Engineering
and Marine Technology

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Subject: pine & xterm
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Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command?

% xterm -e pine &

After I quit pine, I find that pine left a core file. I'm using 3.87 but
have noticed it before with previous versions too.

Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Keyboard locking in 3.87
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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Actually, the keyboard locking was changed to avoid having to code for
the myriad of shadow password schemes we would have to deal with
otherwise. Likewise, the disk space usage is impossible to determine
when folders are mounted remotely via IMAP so we decided to take the path
of least confusion...

Thanks for the report and sorry for the late reply!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 20 Oct 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> Unfortunately, I personally wish the login password was still used for
> keyboard locking instead of asking the user to type the password in. I
> have already had someone forget the password they used. I guess this is
> to eventually make it compatible with DOS platform, but I hate bringing
> this to the lowest common denominator.
>
> At least, if you have to have users enter the password, have them do it
> twice to check for typos. (Of course, maybe they will just enter it once
> and leave, which will basically make the computer not secure if it is left
> prompting for confirmation of password.)
>
> I also miss the screen showing disk space used, mail space used, and quota
> information. I did modify the sources to show percentage of quota used
> when they start up pine, instead of just displaying when they go above the
> soft limit.
>
> (This is all on DG/UX, which can have a hard quota (cpd) but no idea of a
> soft quota anyway).
>
>
> Ken Weaverling [email protected]
> Manager of Computer Services
> Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
> Delaware Technical & Community College
>
>

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From: Guenter Mueller <[email protected]>
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Hello,

the last few weeks we have made pine public available to our users. I have
created a few scripts to help them to convert their alias files. They are
written quick and dirty for AIX 3.2.4. The functions used in awk are
available in nawk on the sun platform. Maybe you can put them into the
distribution...

Kind Regards

Guenter

Guenter Mueller [email protected] Phone: +49 761 203 -4622
University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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From: Andy Poling <[email protected]>
Subject: troubles with rimapd attempts in latest pine
To: [email protected]
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Andy Poling <[email protected]>,
Matthew Trieb <[email protected]>
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We are running into problems with the automatic attempt to use rimapd in
the new versions of pine. Here's the problem:

User starts up PINE to our mail server. Rsh et al are not allowed to this
machine (using method similar to tcp_wrapper). Some O/S's rsh client do not
handle this situation well - they hang when the original TCP connection is
accepted but then shutdown and the return connection (for stderr) is not
established. They hang forever. The user can't get to their mail. This
happens with clients running Ultrix 4.3, SunOS 4, Solaris, Risc/OS and AIX
(at least, so far). In fact, the only client that will work so far is
running Irix.

Perhaps it was not a good idea to take this automatic rimapd approach,
considering modern security awareness...

-Andy

Andy Poling Internet: [email protected]
UNIX Systems Programmer Bitnet: ANDY@JHUNIX
Homewood Academic Computing Voice: (410)516-8096
Johns Hopkins University UUCP: uunet!mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!andy

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From: Elmar Kurgpold <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Keyboard locking in 3.87
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>,
Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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David, what is the status of the keyboard locking in 3.88? Have you
changed it so the user types it in twice, or uses the system password in
some way? Or are you saying that it *was* changed in 3.87? Sorry, I
don't remember how it worked in previous versions.

However, something is seriously wrong with the way it works now, that is
the user hits "K" and types any password and the keyboard is locked. I
have had several calls where the user didn't even realize they hit K, and
inadvertantly locked their terminal. I hope it is not a big problem for
you folks to change this function.

-------------------------------------
| Elmar Kurgpold |
| Network Administrator |
| University of Southern California |
| The Law Center |
| [email protected] |
| (213)740-2571 FAX: (213)740-5502 |
-------------------------------------

On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Actually, the keyboard locking was changed to avoid having to code for
> the myriad of shadow password schemes we would have to deal with
> otherwise. Likewise, the disk space usage is impossible to determine
> when folders are mounted remotely via IMAP so we decided to take the path
> of least confusion...
>
> Thanks for the report and sorry for the late reply!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, I personally wish the login password was still used for
> > keyboard locking instead of asking the user to type the password in. I
> > have already had someone forget the password they used. I guess this is
> > to eventually make it compatible with DOS platform, but I hate bringing
> > this to the lowest common denominator.
> >
> > At least, if you have to have users enter the password, have them do it
> > twice to check for typos. (Of course, maybe they will just enter it once
> > and leave, which will basically make the computer not secure if it is left
> > prompting for confirmation of password.)
> >
> > I also miss the screen showing disk space used, mail space used, and quota
> > information. I did modify the sources to show percentage of quota used
> > when they start up pine, instead of just displaying when they go above the
> > soft limit.
> >
> > (This is all on DG/UX, which can have a hard quota (cpd) but no idea of a
> > soft quota anyway).
> >
> >
> > Ken Weaverling [email protected]
> > Manager of Computer Services
> > Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
> > Delaware Technical & Community College
> >
> >
>

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From: Andy Linton <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine & xterm
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

> Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command?
>
> % xterm -e pine &
>
> After I quit pine, I find that pine left a core file. I'm using 3.87 but
> have noticed it before with previous versions too.
>
I had this problem. I solved it with this script:

#!/bin/sh

pine $*
sleep 1

I called it 'mypine' and then I use:

xterm -e mypine &

--
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From: Steve Hole <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:48:53 -0700 Alex Tang wrote:

> From: Alex Tang
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 19:48:53 -0700
> Subject: Microsoft/MIME/ WAS: re: Trying to Configure Pine
> To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
> Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
>
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote:
>
> Hi folks, i was wonderinf if anyone could give me more information about
> Microsoft (and other LAN packages), supporting IMAP and/or MIME. Mr. Crispin
> hints here that Microsoft will. This could make for an interesting turn of
> events in mail. (How about Lotus?)

I just spent a week at the Email World conference at which I talked with some
of the engineers in Microsoft. At this time they have not even started
adding MIME support to their gateway products. They indicated that they
did not have any plans to support MIME as the native message format for
Microsoft Mail messages. They do have a plan to support X.400 message formats
at some point in the future.

Cheers.

--
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ISA Corporation mail: [email protected]
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine & xterm
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Amos,

This is very similar to a problem reported using the Sun cmdtool. We
have made some changes for Pine 3.88 that will hopefully help the
situation, but we still need to do some more testing on it.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

> Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command?
>
> % xterm -e pine &
>
> After I quit pine, I find that pine left a core file. I'm using 3.87 but
> have noticed it before with previous versions too.
>
> Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
> UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
> Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060
>

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I am looking for some formatted docs for Pine. I would
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Colin Eric Johnson [email protected]
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On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

> Does anybody else experience core files when using the following command?
>
> % xterm -e pine &
>

I fairly regularly notice cores from Pine, but never notice it crashing. They
don't occur every time I quit Pine, but I am running in an xterm in much the
same way as you.

--
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From: Joel Ness <[email protected]>
To: Colin Eric Johnson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine
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> I am looking for some formatted docs for Pine. I would
> like it best if they were in MSWord format but anything
> will work that doesn't force me to reformat the
> pine.hlp file. Does such a creature exist?
>
> Colin Eric Johnson [email protected]
> University of Michigan, Information Technology Division
> Campus Computing Sites finger @css.itd.umich.edu for PGP
> 2.3 key

I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the online help
for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local UMD information.
I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets people started.

Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested.
_________________________
Joel Ness
UMD Information Services
[email protected]
(218) 726-8841

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How a version of pine for the PC that will dialout a modem and connect to do
imapd (or pop) mail, via modem. This way on the road I could get my mail
without long connect times.

Keith Christopher
Welch Medical Library
Unix System Adminstrator

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On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote:
> I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the online help
> for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local UMD information.
> I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets people started.
>
> Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested.

Please send me a copy. Thanks!
--
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> How a version of pine for the PC that will dialout a modem and connect to do
> imapd (or pop) mail, via modem. This way on the road I could get my mail
> without long connect times.

Keith,
This is on our wish list also, and planned for 1H94...

Pine works fine via dialup IP (SLIP or PPP) but we will add an "offline
mode" where it doesn't try to send mail immediately, and provide for
saving (downloading) all or all new messages in one operation to minimize
connect time. Later there will be a richer set of "aggregate" operations
to allow saving all messages that match particular criteria. This will be
done via IMAP, rather than POP, so that one can choose to save/download a
*subset* of messages from the INBOX and choose to keep or expunge from the
server the subset of messages that was saved.

-teg

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> Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested.

Hey, why not send it as a regular attachment? That's what this MIME
stuff is for. :-)

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 13:03:54 -0600
From: Joel Ness <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Documentation for Pine - how to send?
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I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine
documents (I've also got a short pico handout). Some folks have requested I send
them a binhexed version or BASE64 or uuencode, some that I ftp it, and some that
I include it as MIME enclosure to the mailing list.

Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure to the whole
list? This would seem to be a nice way to get things out to everyone, but I
don't want to overload a lot of people's mailboxes. Also, these are Mac MS Word
files. To include them as a MIME enclosure I'd need to transfer them as a binary
file to my unix account and have Pine include the files in a message. In order
not to lose any resource fork or Finder information I'd have to put the binary
file I transfer up in MacBinary format. Would it be useful to most folks to get
a MIME binary enclosure of a Macbinary formatted file?

I'm willing to send things out in a couple of different ways, but I thought I'd
see if there was any one method that would work out for all or most people.

I think what we're getting into here is a more general discussion of what
techniques are the most useful for doing these kinds of file transfers. I'll
wait a day or so hear and see if we hear any specific suggestions or general
opinions on this topic.
_________________________
Joel Ness
UMD Information Services
[email protected]
(218) 726-8841

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> > How a version of pine for the PC that will dialout a modem and connect to do
> > imapd (or pop) mail, via modem. This way on the road I could get my mail
> > without long connect times.
>
> Keith,
> This is on our wish list also, and planned for 1H94...
>
> Pine works fine via dialup IP (SLIP or PPP) but we will add an "offline
> mode" where it doesn't try to send mail immediately, and provide for
> saving (downloading) all or all new messages in one operation to minimize
> connect time. Later there will be a richer set of "aggregate" operations
> to allow saving all messages that match particular criteria. This will be
> done via IMAP, rather than POP, so that one can choose to save/download a
> *subset* of messages from the INBOX and choose to keep or expunge from the
> server the subset of messages that was saved.
>

For disconnected operation to be useful for our users they would
need the ability to queue requests to file messsages into folders
while disconnected. When PINE reconnected via IMAP or whatever
the message filing requests would be executed.

Also not clear to me how well SLIP/PPP will work when users are accessing
the host via dialup into international X.25 networks - as anyone tried this?

Jim
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In message Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:21:15 -0600,
Joel Ness <[email protected]> writes:

>
>> I am looking for some formatted docs for Pine. I would
>> like it best if they were in MSWord format but anything
>> will work that doesn't force me to reformat the
>> pine.hlp file. Does such a creature exist?
>>
>> Colin Eric Johnson [email protected]
>> University of Michigan, Information Technology Division
>> Campus Computing Sites finger @css.itd.umich.edu for PGP
>> 2.3 key
>>
>
> I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the
> online help for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local
> UMD information. I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets
> people started.
> Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested.

Be glad to receive one from you...

thanks in advance,

Viviane.
__
Viviane Vermeire [email protected]
[email protected]
ARC Universiteit Gent.
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From: "Richard J. Foote" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine - how to send?
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If I recall correctly, MSWord files don't have a resource fork, so they could
probably be transfered as straight binary -- that way they could be read by
PC-type machines into WinWord or some other conversion program. A MIME
attachment to e-mail (MacBinary, RTF, ETC) would be the preferred method.

On Thu, 11 Nov 93 13:03:54 -0600 Joel Ness wrote:

> From: Joel Ness
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 13:03:54 -0600
> Subject: Documentation for Pine - how to send?
> To: [email protected]
>
> I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine
> documents (I've also got a short pico handout). Some folks have
requested I send
> them a binhexed version or BASE64 or uuencode, some that I ftp it, and
some that
> I include it as MIME enclosure to the mailing list.
>
> Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure to the
whole
> list? This would seem to be a nice way to get things out to everyone, but I
> don't want to overload a lot of people's mailboxes. Also, these are Mac
MS Word
> files. To include them as a MIME enclosure I'd need to transfer them as a
binary
> file to my unix account and have Pine include the files in a message. In
order
> not to lose any resource fork or Finder information I'd have to put the
binary
> file I transfer up in MacBinary format. Would it be useful to most folks to
get
> a MIME binary enclosure of a Macbinary formatted file?
>
> I'm willing to send things out in a couple of different ways, but I thought I'd
> see if there was any one method that would work out for all or most
people.
>
> I think what we're getting into here is a more general discussion of what
> techniques are the most useful for doing these kinds of file transfers. I'll
> wait a day or so hear and see if we hear any specific suggestions or
general
> opinions on this topic.
> _________________________
> Joel Ness
> UMD Information Services
> [email protected]
> (218) 726-8841
>

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From: Jack Churchill <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine - how to send?
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote:

> Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure to the whole
> list? This would seem to be a nice way to get things out to everyone, but I
> don't want to overload a lot of people's mailboxes. Also, these are Mac MS Word
> files. To include them as a MIME enclosure I'd need to transfer them as a binary
> file to my unix account and have Pine include the files in a message. In order
> not to lose any resource fork or Finder information I'd have to put the binary
> file I transfer up in MacBinary format. Would it be useful to most folks to get
> a MIME binary enclosure of a Macbinary formatted file?

Depends how big the files are but it's traditional to make them available
via anonymous ftp. If you don't want to or can't then the next best
method is to MIME them to the list. If we are seriously advocating MIME
for multi-media mail then lets' use it! MACWord files shouldn't require
fork information - if it does then we have major problems ahead of us when
documents such as MSWord files have to be exchanged more often between
PCs, MACs and unix platforms. I can read just about all of the more
popular word processor files generated by PCs and MACs on my unix
workstation via DECwrite (and I presume there are other perhaps better
alternatives like Framemaker). So let's use MIME for the transport to
push the documents around to try it out. If it doesn't work then
perhaps MIME is a lame duck and needs major changes.

> I think what we're getting into here is a more general discussion of what
> techniques are the most useful for doing these kinds of file transfers. I'll
> wait a day or so hear and see if we hear any specific suggestions or general
> opinions on this topic.

I've given my 2 cents worth.

Jack N. Churchill | [email protected]
CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | [email protected]
PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884
Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921

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Well, hope I'm not making too big a deal out of offering to share some
Pine handouts I've created, but I'm also using this to get some
experience in various ways of sharing files with the net community.

As quite a few people requested, I've included as MIME attachments to this
message the three handouts I mentioned. Each attachment is the binary
data fork of a Macintosh MS Word 5.1 file. You'll need to replace the
missing Finder information yourself (file type: WDBN, creator type: MSWD).
I hope the size of these files (10K, 10K & 60K) doesn't create problems
with various mailers. I guess we'll find out through experience.

I'm also trying an experiment and have made various formats of these
files available from my Mac via anonymous ftp, gopher, and AppleShare.

To ftp the files, ftp to jness.d.umn.edu.

To get to the files via gopher, open a gopher connection to
jness.d.umn.edu, port 70. They are in a directory called "Exchange Folder".
If you're on a Mac using TurboGopher you should be able to transfer the
hqx format files directly to Word files on your hard disk.

If you're on the UofMN AppleTalk network you should be able to open an
AppleShare connection directly to my Mac (jness in zone UMD-MWAH) and
copy the 3 files from the Exchange Folder.

Below is the contents of a README file I've placed in the ftp/gopher
Exchange Folder directory.

*****************************
The Pine and Pico documentation in this directory comes in three formats.

1. The xxx.hqx files are the original MSWord 5.1 files displayed to you
as binhex files by the FTPd ftp/gopher server software running on my Mac.
If you transfer them via ftp you should receive a standard MacBinary encoded
binhex file. However, since the .hqx extension is added by the FTPd
display filter, you may not be able to do a wildcard get (mget C8*.hqx).
Typing the entire filename, including the ".hqx" should work.

2. The xxx.rtf files are Microsoft Rich Text Format saved out of MS Word.
These are plain ascii text format files.

3. The xxx.uu files are uuencoded files containing the data resource of
the original Microsoft Word file. You will have to manually add the file
type (WDBN) and creator type (MSWD) using one of the usual utilities such
as ResEdit on the Mac.
***********************************

Please let me know whether you are able to get these files via the
enclosures here or one of the other methods. I suppose some feedback on the
docs themselves might be nice, too, but the sharing process is actually
becoming of more interest to me.

There's probably a good chance I've messed up on some of my preparations
or instructions, but we'll live and learn. Let me know if you have problems.

Joel Ness INTERNET: [email protected]
Information Services Phone: (218) 726-8841
University of Minnesota, Duluth
Duluth, MN 55812

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On Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:59:52 -0500, Aaron Herskowitz wrote:
> if /usr/spool/mail/username doesn't exist, Pine complains and refuses to
> open the INBOX (understandable since it isn't there.) Even if new mail
> arrives
> to /usr/spool/mail/username, the user will not be notified since the INBOX
> folder is not open. I realize that the cause of this is created by the NeXT

> GUI mail application, but is there a simple work-around?

If you set your INBOX-PATH variable to be INBOX, this should correct this
problem.

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 11:53:22 GMT
From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine
To: Joel Ness <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote:

> I've got a 16-page MSWord doc that I put together mostly out of the online help
> for Pine. I included a number of screen shots and some local UMD information.
> I've also got a two-page shorter version that just gets people started.
>
> Be glad to send a binhex version to anyone who's interested.

You neglected to mention that this documentation is based on PINE 3.05!
If anyone redoes this for the current releases, I would be grateful!

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Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600
Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713
University of Cambridge Computing Service
New Museums Site Email:[email protected]
Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG

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From: Joel Ness <[email protected]>
To: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine
Cc: <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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> You neglected to mention that this documentation is
> based on PINE 3.05! If anyone redoes this for the
> current releases, I would be grateful!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------- Barry Landy
> Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and
> Development Direct line: +44 223
> 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service
> New Museums Site
> Email:[email protected] Pembroke Street,
> Cambridge CB2 3QG

Ah, very true. We'll be converting to the new version over the Christmas break
and I'll be updating the docs. If folks are still interested, I'll make the
updated versions available from my computer in the same ftp and gopher manner.

The changes should be fairly minor, however, so it wouldn't take too much work
for anyone to modify my documents (especially since they'll need to be modified
to remove local UMD information anyway). Since I cribbed most of these docs from
the Pine on-line help I see nothing wrong with anyone just modifying my
documentation a little and making it their own.
_________________________
Joel Ness
UMD Information Services
[email protected]
(218) 726-8841

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From: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
Subject: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
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There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups.
It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup.
And an anonymous ftp site for distributed AND contributed files.
!!! -mr

On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote:
> I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine
> documents (I've also got a short pico handout).
>
> Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure
> to the whole list?

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From: Dave Rasmussen <[email protected]>
Subject: name expansion
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I ran into a problem the other day with a professor who wanted to create a
mailing list in pine for her nursing class. The problem was that with the
name expansion sent off to sendmail, it blew sendmail's atom limit or
something and currently the mail is still sitting in the queue.

I had hacked elm at one point to not expand local addresses. Is this
something easily done in pine or not recommended or what?

I'm basically saying, if I send to dave (@localaddress)
I'd like it to be sent to dave
not David A. Rasmussen <[email protected]>
---
Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div.
Internet:[email protected], Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT
AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201 HAM: N9REJ

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From: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
To: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:

> There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups.
> It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup.

It would take a few months and carefully following the procedures. Start
to read news.groups carefully, and also news.announce.newgroups. If
everyone is interested, I can start the process going. However, it should
be discussed on the mailing list here for a while.

One requirement is that it will eventually go out to vote and this will
require 100 more yes votes than no, and at least 2/3 majority in favour.

One sure fire way of making some of those overly-sensitive news admins
to vote against a group is not following the procedures!

BTW, I would support the group. Reading news beats having tons of mail.

Ken Weaverling [email protected]
Manager of Computer Services
Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
Delaware Technical & Community College

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From: Rick Troth <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Addressbook format [
To: Oved Ben-Aroya <[email protected]>
Cc: David Wall <[email protected]>, [email protected],
[email protected]
In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 31 Oct 1993 17:08:05 +0200 (EET) from
<[email protected]>

>> >We also have a program to convert between RICE mailer notebooks and the
>> >Pine addressbook. The author is Tom Remmers. ([email protected].)
>...
>>
>> Rick Troth <[email protected]>, Rice University, Information Systems
>>
>
>Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder
>if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion.

Umm... I didn't write the other program mentioned above.
There are two. Also, in creating that, I was bitten yet again by the
"plain text" != "plain text" problem, where SMTP appears to be
plain text, 822 and 821 read as if plain text is the intention,
but some implementations (pine) get away with a stricter definition.

The problem was ... on VM systems there's no such thing as a
completely empty line. So a line that looks empty will have at least
one blank space, maybe more. Elm didn't care; I seem to recall that
ZMail didn't care either; but Pine was NOT HAPPY that the blank line
following the header wasn't really empty. :-(

So I fixed my migration tool to write the UNIX mbox file in
binary. Pine is *still* unhappy with the notebooks I create. This is
with 3.07, though. Gimme a chance to try again whenver we upgrade.

>--
>\Oved

--
Rick TrOth <[email protected]>, Rice University, Information Systems

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From: Rick Troth <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Addressbook format [
To: Oved Ben-Aroya <[email protected]>
Cc: David Wall <[email protected]>, [email protected],
[email protected]
In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 31 Oct 1993 17:08:05 +0200 (EET) from
<[email protected]>

>> >We also have a program to convert between RICE mailer notebooks and the
>> >Pine addressbook. The author is Tom Remmers. ([email protected].)
>...
>>
>> Rick Troth <[email protected]>, Rice University, Information Systems
>>
>
>Thanks Rick, we are using successfully your tools. However, we wonder
>if there is also a tool for VM's "names" conversion.

CMS NAMES and CMS NAMEFIND, yes indeed! We "really really"
need a tool on UNIX like CMS' NAMES and NAMEFIND utilities. Hmmm...
this should also cross into the SMTP/822/MIME discussion where Greg
Vandreuil's Application/Signature has been getting kicked around.
I'll do that in a separate posting to follow that thread's subject line.

Here's my App/Sig which comes to you from my NAMES file:

Name: Rick Troth, RUA
Email: [email protected]
Telephone:
Fax:
Address: 11558 Withers Way Circle;Houston, TX 770xx
Portrait:

Don't have my portrait in there yet. :-( Soon though.
And there's no phone or FAX at the new house. There are also other
fields that App/Sig defines. Anyway, the point of this is that
NAMES gives me a general purpose flat-file plain-text user-maintainable
database for this kind of information.

My supervisor in a previous life once created a UNIX 'names'
program. It kept the database in $HOME/.names. (file is called
<userid> NAMES in the CMS implementation) I don't think it was
ever integrated, though. Surely would be nice, though, if such a
generic tool were available and used by at least *one* application.
I believe others would follow ... if the tool were simple enough
while still reliable. RiceMAIL uses CMS NAMES because it's there,
it's easy to use, interfacing with it is trivial.

The format of a CMS NAMES file is:

:tag.data :tag.data :tag.data ...

where the tag ":nick." is sacred and delimits entries.
The tags can be anything you like. The CMS NAMES program defines
the following fields:

Nickname, Userid, Node (historical that node is separate),
Notebook (where to log mail for this person),
Name, Phone, and Address (surface mail, that is),
and "List of Names" which is a group alias definition.

Usually, though, I don't even use NAMES. I just edit the
file by hand. It's too easy. The NAMEFIND tool is invoked by
any application that wants to extract data from this database.

I think I wrote a crefty tool once to read NAMES format on UNIX.
It's been a *long* time, though. And since I haven't gotten around to
writing my own mail user agent snickerY I haven't had an occasion to
actually *use* the generic tool.

>--
>\Oved

I'm really glad you mentioned NAMES. Let's see it happen!

--
Rick TrOth <[email protected]>, Rice University, Information Systems

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
To: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is
that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management
resources for it. As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to
distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled
into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more
beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on
ftp.cac.washington.edu?

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:

> There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups.
> It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup.
> And an anonymous ftp site for distributed AND contributed files.
> !!! -mr
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote:
> > I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine
> > documents (I've also got a short pico handout).
> >
> > Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure
> > to the whole list?
>

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From: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

> The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is
> that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management
> resources for it. As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to
> distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled
> into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more
> beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on
> ftp.cac.washington.edu?

Can I infer from this that you are saying that if a newsgroup did exist,
that the Pine development team would not have the time to read it? Since
if this is so, then the effectiveness of the group would be greatly
diminished.

Of course, there is always a two-way news<->newsgroup gateway but they can
be ugly to maintain and occasionally blow up -- plus I have no experience
setting one up myself...

Ken Weaverling [email protected]
Manager of Computer Services
Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
Delaware Technical & Community College

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Cc: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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No, if it is created we will read it, but we won't commit to gateway
management, etc. Sorry about the confusion.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:
>
> > The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is
> > that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management
> > resources for it. As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to
> > distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled
> > into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more
> > beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on
> > ftp.cac.washington.edu?
>
> Can I infer from this that you are saying that if a newsgroup did exist,
> that the Pine development team would not have the time to read it? Since
> if this is so, then the effectiveness of the group would be greatly
> diminished.
>
> Of course, there is always a two-way news<->newsgroup gateway but they can
> be ugly to maintain and occasionally blow up -- plus I have no experience
> setting one up myself...
>
> Ken Weaverling [email protected]
> Manager of Computer Services
> Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
> Delaware Technical & Community College
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: HELP Restoring Email into the spool or a folder
To: "John Daum... 618-256-6835" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Help List <[email protected]>
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John,

Sorry about the delay in responding to this. The order of the headers does
not really matter as far as pine is concerned. Was the program perchance mh?
If so, the Pine distribution contains a contributed driver for mh-style
mailboxes that provides read-only access if I remember correctly. It is not
linked into Pine by default because it is still experimental and incomplete.
If you would like to experiment with it, send a note to
[email protected] and we will give you a few pointers.

Hope this helps!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 27 Oct 1993, John Daum... 618-256-6835 wrote:

>
> Is there an easy way to get PINE to recognize these Email messages???
>
> I have a user who accidently invoked an older mail package that stored
> each of 80 some odd messages as individual files with a different order
> to each of the "From:" "To:" etc... for example:
>
> Return-Path:
> Received:
> id AA12548; Mon, 25 Oct 93 10:27:44 -0400
> Message-Id:
> X-Sender:
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Date:
> To:
> From:
> Subject:
> Status: O
> X-Status:
>
>
> Return-Path:
> Date:
> From:
> To:
> Subject:
>
>
> Return-Path: [email protected]
> To:
> Subject:
> Reply-To:
> Date:
> From:
>
>
> Thanks.... John E. Daum
>
> 618-256-6835 or 618-632-2456 via ms bell OR
> [email protected] via the Internet
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 16:51:27 -500 (EST)
From: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Subject: saved-messages
To: [email protected]
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Is there a way to save an outgoing message into a folder of the "to" address
and have it ask you if that is where you want to save it rather than
putting it in save-messages?

Thanks.

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: saved-messages
To: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Thanks for the suggestion! This is on the enhancement list for a future
version of Pine.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:

> Is there a way to save an outgoing message into a folder of the "to" address
> and have it ask you if that is where you want to save it rather than
> putting it in save-messages?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 09:45:15 +1100 (EST)
From: Jack Churchill <[email protected]>
Subject: VMSmail folders -> pine folders
To: pine mailing list <[email protected]>
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If there are any VMS users out there who need to bulk convert VMSmail
folders to pine folders, send me e-mail and I'll send you a copy of the
command files. This version runs slow since it's in DCL but when I get
time I might re-write it in C if there's enough demand for it.

Jack N. Churchill | [email protected]
CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | [email protected]
PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884
Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Login name replacement...
To: Dave King <[email protected]>
Cc: PINE <[email protected]>
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We have a variation of this on the enhancement list for a future version
of pine. It may even be more general than just using reply-to...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 9 Nov 1993, Dave King wrote:

>
> When Reply-To: support is added to Pine, it would be very useful if the
> feature whereby Pine puts a "+" next to a message in the index, could be
> enhanced to recognise the user's Reply-To: variable, and consequently make
> the operation of "+" more useful.
>
>
> Dave
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol
> [email protected] (JANET) [email protected] (INTERNET)
>
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:
>
> >
> > Pine does not have a way to do that on Unix. A future version of
> > Pine will have support for the Reply-To header though...
> >
> > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
>
> [ Rest of thread deleted ... ]
>

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From: Henry Yung-Heng Kuo <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Cc: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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Hi there!

It might be a stupid problem. How can I use pine to connect newsgroup
and ftp sites?

`~~~~~~
@(0-0)
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^.^ Henry.........
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From: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: VMSmail folders -> pine folders
In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Sat, 13 Nov 1993 09:45:15 +1100 (EST)"
<[email protected]>
To: Jack Churchill <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected],
"Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" <[email protected]>
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> If there are any VMS users out there who need to bulk convert VMSmail
> folders to pine folders, send me e-mail and I'll send you a copy of the
> command files. This version runs slow since it's in DCL but when I get
> time I might re-write it in C if there's enough demand for it.

Now this sounds very interesting to me!!! Are you running Pine on a VMS
system? Or are you running a IMAP server on VMS (i.e., PMDF's) on a VMS
system?

If the latter, IYHO how well does the client work with the PMDF IMAP server?
The only apparent 'thorn' I've noted was the new additions to folders (notably
new incoming mail) does not appear unless you log off and relog into the
server. But, to be fair, it's not really Innosoft's fault (but rather it's a
"feature" of VMS callable mail). Nonetheless, if this is what you are doing,
I'd be interested in hearing how much of a problem this really is (perhaps the
users really don't consider this to be a problem??)

Our users would probably would like have an alternative to VMS Mail and Pine
would rank high in my book since I used to use it a while back when I was
working on Unix systems (but we only have VMS at my present location).

> Jack N. Churchill | [email protected]
> CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | [email protected]
> PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884
> Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Single Recipient Distributions
To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to
that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are
mailing to?

I have a couple of lists with upwards to 50 people (and growing), and it
gets a little tiring for them to get their daily mailing and have to weed
through two or three pages of names of people who got the same mailing.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
\/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
\/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
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(GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)

From [email protected] Fri Nov 12 19:32:49 1993
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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Robert,

Sure, just hit ^R to get rich headers and put the listname in the Bcc.
That way the recipients will only see their own name.

Thanks for the interest!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to
> that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are
> mailing to?
>
> I have a couple of lists with upwards to 50 people (and growing), and it
> gets a little tiring for them to get their daily mailing and have to weed
> through two or three pages of names of people who got the same mailing.
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>
>

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

> Sure, just hit ^R to get rich headers and put the listname in the Bcc.
> That way the recipients will only see their own name.
>
> Thanks for the interest!

Any chance that a fuuture version will allow this on the normal address
line? Remembering to ^R and use Bcc could be a pain.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
\/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
\/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
(GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)

From [email protected] Fri Nov 12 19:51:37 1993
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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>,
Pine Info <[email protected]>
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Actually, when using BCC, the recipient will see the originator's name (in
the From: ) line, but they will not see their own nor any other recipient's
name, as there will not be a To: line.

-teg

On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Robert,
>
> Sure, just hit ^R to get rich headers and put the listname in the Bcc.
> That way the recipients will only see their own name.
>
> Thanks for the interest!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to
> > that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are
> > mailing to?
> >
> > I have a couple of lists with upwards to 50 people (and growing), and it
> > gets a little tiring for them to get their daily mailing and have to weed
> > through two or three pages of names of people who got the same mailing.
> >
> > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
> > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
> > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
> >
> >
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 22:57:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Ribeiro <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
> Any chance that a fuuture version will allow this on the normal address
> line? Remembering to ^R and use Bcc could be a pain.
on VM, the rice mailbook package will show the first 5 in the list and
hide the rest for you so you don't have to page down 10 times to read
a 3 line message :-)
perhaps a future version of pine could do this?
/P

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 10:49:04 +0100 (MET)
From: Tjeerd Jongeling <[email protected]>
Subject: addrb-sort, pine.hlp
To: "Univ.Wash. Pine Info List" <[email protected]>
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L.S.

I have send this request before, probably it's somewere on some network:

1. I would like to sort my (user's) Addressbooks on the first (nick-name)
column (in Unix- and PC-Pine as well).

2. I should prefer a small-as-possible pine.hlp, i think some information
could be placed in (one or more) separated readme-file(s) such as:
If ^C Doesn't Work on a Mac / What is MIME / History and Origin of Pine /
Pine x.x update / Pine contributors / Copyright notice ...

With kind regards,

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Tjeerd Jongeling # System Manager # E-Mail: [email protected] |
| |
| Delft University of Technology # The Netherlands |
| Faculty of Mechanical Engineering and Marine Technology |
| Subfaculty of Design, Production & Organisation # Computer Service Supply |
| |
| Landbergstraat 3 # 2628 CE Delft # Phone:+31-15-786780 # Fax:+31-15-783910 |
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From [email protected] Sat Nov 13 08:41:38 1993
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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: addrb-sort, pine.hlp
To: Tjeerd Jongeling <[email protected]>
Cc: "Univ.Wash. Pine Info List" <[email protected]>
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Tjeerd,
We've put #1 on the ever-growing requested enhancement list, but I'd like
to now more about your motivation for #2... (I assume you're referring to
pc-pine), but why would you prefer many small help files to one big one?

-teg

On Sat, 13 Nov 1993, Tjeerd Jongeling wrote:

> L.S.
>
> I have send this request before, probably it's somewere on some network:
>
> 1. I would like to sort my (user's) Addressbooks on the first (nick-name)
> column (in Unix- and PC-Pine as well).
>
> 2. I should prefer a small-as-possible pine.hlp, i think some information
> could be placed in (one or more) separated readme-file(s) such as:
> If ^C Doesn't Work on a Mac / What is MIME / History and Origin of Pine /
> Pine x.x update / Pine contributors / Copyright notice ...
>
> With kind regards,
>
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Tjeerd Jongeling # System Manager # E-Mail: [email protected] |
> | |
> | Delft University of Technology # The Netherlands |
> | Faculty of Mechanical Engineering and Marine Technology |
> | Subfaculty of Design, Production & Organisation # Computer Service Supply |
> | |
> | Landbergstraat 3 # 2628 CE Delft # Phone:+31-15-786780 # Fax:+31-15-783910 |
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>
>
>

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From: Henry Yung-Heng Kuo <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ??? (fwd)
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Hi there!

It might be a stupid question. How can I use pine to connect
newsgroup and ftp sites?

`~~~~~~
@(0-0)
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^.^ Henry.........
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 18:56:55 +0000 (GMT)
From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
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I would support the new group also.

=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713

From [email protected] Sat Nov 13 12:12:48 1993
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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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On Sat, 13 Nov 1993, Henry Yung-Heng Kuo wrote:

> It might be a stupid question. How can I use pine to connect
> newsgroup and ftp sites?

Henry,
Re using Pine to read news: Here is the applicable line from my .pinerc
file. Substitute the name of your own news host...

news-collections=News *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[]

Note that this assumes you have a preexisting .newsrc file on the machine
where you are running Pine. Pine does not yet have support for posting
to newsgroups, nor for subscribing/unsubscribing.

If your .newsrc lives on the same machine as the news database, and that
machine runs and IMAPd, then you can omit the /nntp and use IMAP to access
news.

Re FTP sites: In the future we will be announcing an IMAPd that, if run on
an anonymous FTP server, will allow Pine users to have convenient access
to all the files in that FTP archive (not just the mailboxes in it), but
this is not ready yet.

-teg

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From: [email protected] (The Gentleman Loser)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 13:06:28 PST
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: pine newsgroup

Why not gateway this mailing list to a news group in the bit.*
hierarchy. That way the same information would be available
via the list and the newsgroup. Users could either reveive mail,
or they could read the same messages in the newsgroup.

--Dave

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From [email protected] Sat Nov 13 14:23:25 1993
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From: [email protected] (Thomas Andrew Newman)
Subject: does Pine 3.85 update a user's .newsrc?

Hi,

If it can, how does a user set her .pinerc settings?

Also, with delete-skips-deleted added to the feature-list, "N" does not
skip the next message if it has been marked for deletion. Am I missing
something?

thanks,
Tom
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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: does Pine 3.85 update a user's .newsrc?
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On Sat, 13 Nov 1993, Thomas Andrew Newman wrote:

> If it can, how does a user set her .pinerc settings?

Yes, it can. From an earlier reply on the same subject:

Here is the applicable line from my .pinerc file. Substitute the name of
your own news host...

news-collections=News *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[]

Note that this assumes you have a preexisting .newsrc file on the machine
where you are running Pine. Pine does not yet have support for posting
to newsgroups, nor for subscribing/unsubscribing.

> Also, with delete-skips-deleted added to the feature-list, "N" does not
> skip the next message if it has been marked for deletion. Am I missing
> something?

You're not missing anything... I guess you are requesting a
"next-skips-deleted" option, (but then it becomes more challenging to ever
get back to a deleted msg). Note that TAB skips deleted and already seen
msgs.

-teg

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I'd also support a news group.

/KS

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From: Joe Pollock <[email protected]>
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Pine - rev. 3.07

We have a user who put a .forward token in his home directory to send mail to
another system that he can access from home as a local call. Everything
works fine for individual mail.

When, however, his local address on our system is included in a
distribution list, the entire list breaks. No one on the list seems to
get the mail; individuals included as cc: don't get the mail, no error is
returned to the originator (the mail is appropriately appended to sent-mail).
I have not located any errors in the sendmail logs, although I'm not sure
what I should be looking for.

I didn't see anything obvious in the .pine-debug files, either.

Is this peculiar to 3.07, and fixed in 3.85+? We've been waiting for Pine
to be stable for a few weeks before upgrading, and planning to do it
during the end-of-quarter break.

Joe Pollock
The Evergreen State College

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From: Oved Ben-Aroya <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> The question or a Pine newsgroup comes up from time to time. Our position is
> that we do not object to it, but we cannot supply any additional management
> resources for it.

I vote for a newsgroup. A smaller, more technically related, mailing
list may still be needed.

> As far as anonymous ftp access, we will be happy to
> distribute contributions. Currently, most of the contributions are rolled
> into the source distribution in the contrib directory. Would it be more
> beneficial for users if we maintained a separate mail/contrib directory on
> ftp.cac.washington.edu?

I'd say it depeneds on the volume of contrib directory.

>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:
>
> > There are lots of comp.mail newsgroups.
> > It's about time (!) we had a comp.mail.pine newsgroup.
> > And an anonymous ftp site for distributed AND contributed files.
> > !!! -mr
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 1993, Joel Ness wrote:
> > > I've received quite a few request for copies of our long and short Pine
> > > documents (I've also got a short pico handout).
> > >
> > > Would it be overtaxing things to send out the docs as an enclosure
> > > to the whole list?
> >
>

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From: Alex Tang <[email protected]>
Subject: POP Mode?
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ok. this may be an easy question, but I haven't found a way to do
it....Is it possible to get pine to work in "POP Mode" (i.e. connect,
download mail to local folder, disconnect, read/respond to mail, then
reconnect at some later time, and send all new mail on it's way)

thanx...alex...

Alex Tang --- [email protected]@UMICHUM.BITNET
-----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II,
PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :)

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
Subject: Building 3.87 on Sequent...
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Hello,

I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info:

SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386

Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5

In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get:

Making c-client library and mtest
cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c
"os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone
"os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size
"os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size
"os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined
"os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required
"os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required
"os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
"os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
"os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
"os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
"os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
"os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
"os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy
"os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove
"os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset
*** Error code 1

If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still:

Making Pine.
rm -f os.h
ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h
./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148
"filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined
"filter.c", line 396: syntax error
"filter.c", line 402: syntax error
"filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined
"filter.c", line 430: syntax error
"filter.c", line 437: syntax error
"filter.c", line 438: syntax error

25145: *** Error code 1

I'm not familiar with the Sequent....so does anyone have the
makefiles and .h files I need to build on this system?

Regards,

Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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Not yet...

-teg

On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Alex Tang wrote:

> ok. this may be an easy question, but I haven't found a way to do
> it....Is it possible to get pine to work in "POP Mode" (i.e. connect,
> download mail to local folder, disconnect, read/respond to mail, then
> reconnect at some later time, and send all new mail on it's way)
>
> thanx...alex...
>
> Alex Tang --- [email protected]@UMICHUM.BITNET
> -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II,
> PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :)
>
>
>

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From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Mailing list problems
To: Joe Pollock <[email protected]>
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[This is probably more a question that should go to pine-bugs (a small
group of people at Univ. of Wash.) instead of pine-info (lots of people
around the world). So I suggest your reply go only to pine-bugs, unless
you really wanted the bigger list.]

On Sun, 14 Nov 1993, Joe Pollock wrote:

> Pine - rev. 3.07
>
> We have a user who put a .forward token in his home directory to send mail to
> another system that he can access from home as a local call. Everything
> works fine for individual mail.

I'd like to understand the details a little more. You have userA above
with the .forward file. Then userB has a Pine distribution list which
contains userA as one of the addressees. If userB sends to that list, no
mail is delivered. If userB removes userA from that list, it works. If
userB sends to just userA, that works, too. This is true for users other
than userB, too. Does this sound like a correct description of the
problem?

> When, however, his local address on our system is included in a
> distribution list, the entire list breaks. No one on the list seems to
> get the mail; individuals included as cc: don't get the mail, no error is
> returned to the originator (the mail is appropriately appended to sent-mail).
> I have not located any errors in the sendmail logs, although I'm not sure
> what I should be looking for.
>
> I didn't see anything obvious in the .pine-debug files, either.
>
> Is this peculiar to 3.07, and fixed in 3.85+? We've been waiting for Pine
> to be stable for a few weeks before upgrading, and planning to do it
> during the end-of-quarter break.

It is possible that there is some 3.07 bug causing this, though I don't
remember anyone having a problem similar to this. If your system is one
of the common ones we have made a binary version for, it would be useful
to attempt to reproduce the problem with a newer binary.

Perhaps you could send us a copy of an address book that exhibits the
problem, too. And maybe the sendmail syslogging in the neighborhood of
the time when the message is sent. Thanks.

> Joe Pollock
> The Evergreen State College

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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You are using PTX, the SysV flavor of Dynix. So you want to use ``build ptx''
instead of ``build dyn''.

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From: Bill Williams <[email protected]>
Organization: East Tennessee State University
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
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In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:38:28 -0800 (PST) from
<[email protected]>

On Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:38:28 -0800 (PST) you said:
>Actually, when using BCC, the recipient will see the originator's name (in
>the From: ) line, but they will not see their own nor any other recipient's
>name, as there will not be a To: line.

Mmmmm.... interesting. I am not an e-mail guru but this tidbit has
turned on the "oh, so that's it" light. I am a SysAdmin for several
systems here including (this) VM/CMS System and (those) AIX 3.2 Systems
where I use pine/pico for MUA.

I notice that using my MUA for this system -- RiceMail -- that when a
BCC: is used a TO: is required -- meaning that "this item is going to
somebody and one or more Blind Carbon Copies are going to some other
people" which seems to be a logical operation. (You gotta have an
'original' for there to be carbon copies.) Just for the sake of
clarification, RiceMail and pine are not competitive -- pine is no more
suitable for VM/CMS than RiceMail would be for unix. They both do a
very similar menu-type MUA for each of these non-alike platforms, so I'm
*not* saying "why doesn't this MUA work like that MUA".

There have been occasions when some undeliverables have fallen to the
electronic floor down at the electronic post office and in looking at
those items there is not 'To:' -- only 'Apparently-To:' addresses.

Is the absence of a 'To:' valid? I should think 'To:' would be required
for CC: and/or BCC: operation. Or does it matter to the MTA (Mail
Transport Agent) handling delivery?

This is not a rhetorical question, nor even a vital one. I'm just
curious about this for better understanding.

---------------------------------------
Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
East
Tennessee (615) 929-6853
State <[email protected]>
University <[email protected]>

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From: Philip Hazel <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Cc: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> BTW, I would support the group. Reading news beats having tons of mail.

Hear! Hear! Especially when you have just been away for two weeks...

Philip

[This somewhat empty message sent to indicate support for a newsgroup.]

--
Philip Hazel University Computing Service,
[email protected] New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG,
[email protected] England. Phone: +44 223 334714

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From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
Subject: re: Building 3.87 on Sequent...
To: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote:

> You are using PTX, the SysV flavor of Dynix. So you want to use ``build ptx''
> instead of ``build dyn''.

If you read the rest of the message :-) :-) you will see....

If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still:

Making Pine.
rm -f os.h
ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h
./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145
cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148
"filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined
"filter.c", line 396: syntax error
"filter.c", line 402: syntax error
"filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined
"filter.c", line 430: syntax error
"filter.c", line 437: syntax error
"filter.c", line 438: syntax error

25145: *** Error code 1

Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan
Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C

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From: [email protected] (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: comp.mail.pine newsgroup & ftp site ???
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>
> I vote for a newsgroup. A smaller, more technically related, mailing
> list may still be needed.
>
I think a news group is fine, but I think the mailing list needs
to be kept in its entirety. There are still many people who
don't have news available so the mailing list reaches a much
larger audience -- particularly since the subject is e-mail.

The biz.sco news hierarchy is an excellent example of a small
news group that has a bi-directional news gateway to a mailing
list. This has been working well for several years, and a large
percentage of the readers don't have news access.

Bill
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From [email protected] Mon Nov 15 10:19:13 1993
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From: Sharon Deng <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Is there a way to produce a distribution listing so that when you mail to
> that distribution, it won't have the list of all the people you are
> mailing to?
>

What I did is to mail to one user then blind copy to the distribution listing.

Sharon Deng
Assistant Director Internet: [email protected]
Academic Computer Center [email protected]
University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963

From [email protected] Mon Nov 15 10:35:56 1993
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
To: Bill Williams <[email protected]>
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Bill,

Pine does not complain unless *all* destinations are blank, including "Fcc:"
The Fcc-only case is broken in Pine 3.87, but it will be fixed in 3.88. I
have not seen any Transport problems with Bcc-only mail...

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Bill Williams wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 1993 19:38:28 -0800 (PST) you said:
> >Actually, when using BCC, the recipient will see the originator's name (in
> >the From: ) line, but they will not see their own nor any other recipient's
> >name, as there will not be a To: line.
>
> Mmmmm.... interesting. I am not an e-mail guru but this tidbit has
> turned on the "oh, so that's it" light. I am a SysAdmin for several
> systems here including (this) VM/CMS System and (those) AIX 3.2 Systems
> where I use pine/pico for MUA.
>
> I notice that using my MUA for this system -- RiceMail -- that when a
> BCC: is used a TO: is required -- meaning that "this item is going to
> somebody and one or more Blind Carbon Copies are going to some other
> people" which seems to be a logical operation. (You gotta have an
> 'original' for there to be carbon copies.) Just for the sake of
> clarification, RiceMail and pine are not competitive -- pine is no more
> suitable for VM/CMS than RiceMail would be for unix. They both do a
> very similar menu-type MUA for each of these non-alike platforms, so I'm
> *not* saying "why doesn't this MUA work like that MUA".
>
> There have been occasions when some undeliverables have fallen to the
> electronic floor down at the electronic post office and in looking at
> those items there is not 'To:' -- only 'Apparently-To:' addresses.
>
> Is the absence of a 'To:' valid? I should think 'To:' would be required
> for CC: and/or BCC: operation. Or does it matter to the MTA (Mail
> Transport Agent) handling delivery?
>
> This is not a rhetorical question, nor even a vital one. I'm just
> curious about this for better understanding.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
> East
> Tennessee (615) 929-6853
> State <[email protected]>
> University <[email protected]>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Building 3.87 on Sequent...
To: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
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Ed,

Pine 3.88 will include a "pt1" port which I put together on a PTX 1.4
system. Hopefully it will work on your 1.2 system...

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info:
>
> SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386
>
> Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5
>
> In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get:
>
> Making c-client library and mtest
> cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c
> "os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone
> "os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size
> "os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size
> "os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined
> "os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
> "os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
> "os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
> "os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
> "os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy
> "os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove
> "os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset
> *** Error code 1
>
>
> If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still:
>
> Making Pine.
> rm -f os.h
> ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h
> ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148
> "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined
> "filter.c", line 396: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 402: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined
> "filter.c", line 430: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 437: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 438: syntax error
>
> 25145: *** Error code 1
>
>
> I'm not familiar with the Sequent....so does anyone have the
> makefiles and .h files I need to build on this system?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan
> Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
> FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C
>
>

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From: Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Single Recipient Distributions
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Bill Williams wrote:

> There have been occasions when some undeliverables have fallen to the
> electronic floor down at the electronic post office and in looking at
> those items there is not 'To:' -- only 'Apparently-To:' addresses.

The Apparently-To is added by sendmail, which is trying to be helpful, I
guess. It is not a standard. We've disabled this feature in our sendmail.

> Is the absence of a 'To:' valid? I should think 'To:' would be required
> for CC: and/or BCC: operation. Or does it matter to the MTA (Mail
> Transport Agent) handling delivery?

The absence of a To is valid. RFC822 says you need at least one
destination address, which can be a bcc. RFC821 doesn't really care
about headers at all, it just cares about envelope addresses, which you
certainly do have in this case.

Steve Hubert <[email protected]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine 3.87 on Ultrix 3.1
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Sunjay,

We used to include a "ul3" port, but it was so far out of date that we
dropped it. The newest version of the ul3 port I see in our archives is
for Pine2.30 :(

At this point it would be easier to start over...

Sorry I don't have better news.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Sunjay T. Bedi wrote:

>
> Has anyone port/compiled this?
>
> =========================================================
> Sunjay T. Bedi, (519)888-4567, ext. 5297 /\ /\
> [email protected] / \ / \
> University of Waterloo /____\/____\
> =========================================================
>
>

From [email protected] Mon Nov 15 14:23:12 1993
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine bug!
To: Chris Dunphy <[email protected]>
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Chris,

Sorry about the abysmal response time. Pine does not require any of the
address fields to be filled in. It is quite common for users to send mail
with only the Bcc: field when sending to large distribution lists. Can
you be a bit more specific about what problems you are having? A copy of
a bounced message would be quite helpful.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Thu, 30 Sep 1993, Chris Dunphy wrote:

>
> Pine will let you send mail with no "to:" field, causing bad things to
> happen and postmaster to get mail. Is there a way to make pine check to
> be sure there is a non-null to: field before sending mail?
>
> Chris Dunphy
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine 3.86
To: Laurie Cuthbert <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected]
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Laurie,

Apologies for the abysmal response time. The problem with this approach is
that only IMAP clients compiled with your changes will be able to use your
rimapd. This will become more serious if you want to use commercial clients
that do not come with source in the future. With that in mind, I am afraid
we must pass on this change.

Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
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On Fri, 1 Oct 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote:

> A suggestion for the next maintenance release - could we make the
> location of rimapd configureable in the "build"
>
> We like to keep locally installed stuff separate and hence install in
> /usr/local/sbin.
>
> At present we edit the source, but a configuration option would be tidier.
>
> Regards
>
> Laurie Cuthbert
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine/pico file inclusion
To: Jack Churchill <[email protected]>
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Jack,

This is on the list of future enhancements. Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 27 Oct 1993, Jack Churchill wrote:

> A nice feature found in some other editors is the ability to use wild
> cards when specifying the filename at the ^R (read file) option. A screen
> similar to the ^T (to files) option should then appear for selection
> unless there's only one file that matches anyway.
>
> Jack N. Churchill | [email protected]
> CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | [email protected]
> PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884
> Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Things for 3.88?
To: Dave King <[email protected]>
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Dave,

The initial-keystroke-list is a fairly new feature and still needs some
polish as you have found. It should continue to improve over the next
several versions.

We will have a more appropriate 'new pine version' message for Pine 3.88.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Fri, 29 Oct 1993, Dave King wrote:

> initial-keystroke-list
> ----------------------
> When setting initial-keystroke in .pinerc to present mail sorted by arrival
> (reversed to get new messages at top of index) as in:
>
> initial-keystroke-list=i,$,r
>
> Gives rise to the following `error' :
>
> Can't mix characters and function keys in
> "initial-keystroke-list", skipping.
>
> If, however, the `$' is quoted with `\' as in
>
> initial-keystroke-list=i,\$,r
>
> Pine behaves as expected.
>
>
> New version message
> -------------------
> It would be helpful to reserve the `new pine version' welcome message for
> versions of Pine that are FUNCTIONALLY different from previous versions
> because displaying this message for `maintenance' releases may lead to
> confusion, i.e. a user asking "What's new in this version?".
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> PS I forgot to mention the above points are Pine 3.87 on DYNIX/ptx 2.0.4,
> but I suspect are generic.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol
> [email protected] (JANET) [email protected] (INTERNET)
>
>
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Wastebasket option?
To: James Dryfoos- Postmaster <[email protected]>
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James,

This feature is on the enhancement list for consideration in a future
release of Pine. Stay tuned for further information.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, James Dryfoos- Postmaster wrote:

> I am used to several email systems that use a wastbasket for deleted messages.
> This wastebasket holds deleted messages for either a period of time (specified)
> or until manually purged. The wastebasket is just a folder which one can go
> back to and reread a deleted message.
> I like this feature and have not found this in Pine.
> Have I just missed it? If not, I would like to suggest it is a future option.
>
>
> -- Jim

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From: Laurie Cuthbert <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine 3.86
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Laurie Cuthbert <[email protected]>, [email protected],
[email protected]
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OK - but it would be nice if all applications were configurable as to
where the rimap daemon is located.

Laurie

On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Laurie,
>
> Apologies for the abysmal response time. The problem with this approach is
> that only IMAP clients compiled with your changes will be able to use your
> rimapd. This will become more serious if you want to use commercial clients
> that do not come with source in the future. With that in mind, I am afraid
> we must pass on this change.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Fri, 1 Oct 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote:
>
> > A suggestion for the next maintenance release - could we make the
> > location of rimapd configureable in the "build"
> >
> > We like to keep locally installed stuff separate and hence install in
> > /usr/local/sbin.
> >
> > At present we edit the source, but a configuration option would be tidier.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Laurie Cuthbert
> >
>

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From: Andy Powell <[email protected]>
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I want to get Pine 3.87 to access my MMDF format mailbox(es) (i.e.
mailboxes where messages are separated by 2 rows of 4 CTRL-A's). The
c-client code appears to support such mailboxes but when I set

inbox-path=~/.mail

where ~/.mail is an MMDF format mailbox, I just get

/u/cc/s/ccsap/.mail is not a folder

when I run pine. Any ideas?

Andy Powell.
--
BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
+44 225 826485
[email protected]

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Hi -

In order to enable MMDF support, you need to add a mail_link(&mmdfdriver) call
in pine.c. You will probably have to do some other hacking as well; at the
present time the bezerkdriver and the mmdfdriver do not tolerate each other
very well. Also, it isn't clear how well the mmdfdriver actually works; it is
contributed code.

I have recently spent a great deal of effort with c-client (it's now available
with IMAP toolkit 3.2, mail/imap-3.2.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) to get
mmdfdriver and bezerkdriver to co-exist and a number of other highly desirable
internal improvements. This doesn't answer whether or not the mmdfdriver
actually works (I don't know, not having an MMDF system to play with), but it
should make experimentation with MMDF format much easier.

This required some rather large changes throughout c-client and therefore this
*won't* be in Pine 3.88. I have high hopes for Pine 3.89...

You can try substituting the c-client from IMAP toolkit 3.2 in place of the c-
client that comes with Pine, but note that this is an unsupported
configuration. Also note that IMAP toolkit 3.2 is still very new and
experimental and is not at all stable. We aren't even running it in-house; my
machine at home is presently the only machine using it!

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: MMDF format mailboxes
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C-client does indeed have a contributed MMDF port, but unfortunately it
does not co-exist peacefully with the bezerk driver. To add it to Pine,
edit pine/pine.c and replace the line

mail_link((DRIVER *)&bezerkdriver);

with

mail_link((DRIVER *)&mmdfdriver);

Please note that we do not have any MMDF systems here and have done no
direct testing of the code. There has been some question in the past
about variations in the MMDF format, so be aware of that.

Good Luck!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Andy Powell wrote:

> I want to get Pine 3.87 to access my MMDF format mailbox(es) (i.e.
> mailboxes where messages are separated by 2 rows of 4 CTRL-A's). The
> c-client code appears to support such mailboxes but when I set
>
> inbox-path=~/.mail
>
> where ~/.mail is an MMDF format mailbox, I just get
>
> /u/cc/s/ccsap/.mail is not a folder
>
> when I run pine. Any ideas?
>
> Andy Powell.
> --
> BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
> +44 225 826485
> [email protected]
>
>

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From: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Posting to newsgroups from PC-Pine
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This is probably in the Pine FAQ and I would look there if I knew where it
was... so please forgive me for asking the following:

How does one post messages to USENET newsgroups from PC-Pine?

Thank you.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Stephen F. Day (SFD7) AT&TNET: (505) 277-1698
Director BITNET/CREN: SDAY@MEDUSA
Medical Ctr Computer Services INTERNET: [email protected]
University of New Mexico TECHNET: UNMSDAY
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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Subject: HP Terminal support for PINE and PICO -- Patch Included
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 17:58:30 -0700
From: Daniel Simmons <[email protected]>

OK. I finally got around to patching up pine and pico so that they will
work (mostly) with HP-type terminals. There are two basic problems with
HP terminals:

1. Arrow keys -- The contributed patch supplied with the latest releases
of pine helps here but didn't quite fix all my problems.

2. Use of reverse video -- HP terminals use "magic cookies" to mark
where display enhancements (reverse, bold, underline, etc.) start
and stop on a particular line. They DO NOT work in a stream
oriented mode like dec terminals (and the rest of the world). This
means that if you want a particular region of the screen to be in
reverse, you must:

- move to the target location (DO THIS FIRST)
- turn on reverse video
- write the stuff
- turn off reverse video (do this BEFORE moving away)
- move to next location

Pine and pico were built on a very different set of assumptions
about how terminals work. (You can detect the mutant HP terminal
stuff by looking for xs in termcap or xhp in terminfo.)

So, I jumped into the code and hacked things a bit. The patch
included below will fix 90% of the problems. Unfortunately, most of
the changes are MAJOR hacks. The terminal library for pine
incorporates move to a location and print into one routine expecting
to turn reverse on and off from outside that routine. My solution was
to add extra moves before turning reverse on and off.

The results:

- Pine seems to work great from both HP and other terminals.
- Other terminals will have two or three extra (useless) bytes
sent on occasion, but this seems relatively minor.
- Pico occasionally screws up the highlighting of blocks (it
also has a rather annoying tendancy to loose the mark, but
I'm not so sure that I introduced this one).
- Pico only highlights the first character during spell checks
instead of the whole word.
- Standalone pico has a very slightly different "modified"
message displayed in the titlebar which hides a reverse
glitch. (You wouldn't notice if I didn't tell you, but you
might wonder why in the world I modified that particular
message.)

Shameless plea to the wonderful maintainers of pine (was that
obsequious enough? :-):

Is there any way we could work together to incorporate more general
versions of these patches into the actual pine code so that they
will be present in future releases? The code in these patches could
have been written much better, but that would have required
restructuring your terminal i/o libs... I just wanted to make the
minimal changes to get it working (proof of concept?).

Enough of all that. Here are the patches. Use at your own risk. Oh,
by the way, I #ifdef'd everything with the symbol HPTERM_SUPPORT. So,
I also am including patches to makefile.hpp in the pine and pico
subdirectories which add -DHPTERM_SUPPORT to the C compiler flags.

For curiosity sake... If you use these patches, would you please drop
me an email to let me know. Thanks.

---------------- cut here -----------------

diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/composer.c pico/composer.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/composer.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:52 1993
--- pico/composer.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:23 1993
***************
*** 1907,1913 ****
--- 1907,1919 ----
movecursor(i, 0);
if(state)
(*term.t_rev)(1);
+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT

+ #else
+ else
+ (*term.t_rev)(0);
+
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
while(bufp[1] != '\0') /* putc upto last char */
pputc(*bufp++, 1);

diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/display.c pico/display.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/display.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:52 1993
--- pico/display.c Tue Nov 16 16:00:48 1993
***************
*** 992,998 ****
#endif

if ((bp->b_flag&BFCHG) != 0) /* "MOD" if changed. */
! cp = "Modified ";
else
cp = " ";

--- 992,998 ----
#endif

if ((bp->b_flag&BFCHG) != 0) /* "MOD" if changed. */
! cp = "*Modified*";
else
cp = " ";

***************
*** 2151,2154 ****
wstripe(term.t_nrow-i,0,s,'~');
}
}
-
--- 2151,2153 ----
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/makefile.hpp pico/makefile.hpp
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 14:48:57 1993
--- pico/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 15:35:51 1993
***************
*** 40,50 ****
#

#includes symbol info for debugging
! DASHO= -g
#for normal build
! #DASHO= -O

! CFLAGS= -Dhpp -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL

# switches for library building
LIBCMD= ar
--- 40,50 ----
#

#includes symbol info for debugging
! #DASHO= -g
#for normal build
! DASHO= -O

! CFLAGS= -Dhpp -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DHPTERM_SUPPORT

# switches for library building
LIBCMD= ar
***************
*** 90,93 ****

clean:
rm -f *.a *.o *~ osdep.c osdep.h
-
--- 90,92 ----
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/spell.c pico/spell.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/spell.c Tue Nov 16 14:49:04 1993
--- pico/spell.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:24 1993
***************
*** 163,168 ****
--- 163,171 ----

curwp->w_flag |= WFMOVE; /* put cursor back */
update();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ (*term.t_rev)(0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
pputs(wb, 0); /* un-highlight */

switch(status){
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/tcap.c pico/tcap.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pico/tcap.c Tue Nov 16 14:49:05 1993
--- pico/tcap.c Tue Nov 16 16:00:17 1993
***************
*** 98,103 ****
--- 98,106 ----

char *KU, *KD, *KL, *KR;
char *KPPU, *KPPD, *KPHOME, *KPEND;
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ char *KS, *KE; /* start and end keypad mode (HP terminals) */
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */

struct KBSTREE *kpadseqs = NULL;

***************
*** 180,185 ****
--- 183,192 ----
SR = tgetstr("sr", &p);
TI = tgetstr("ti", &p);
TE = tgetstr("te", &p);
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ KS = tgetstr("ks", &p);
+ KE = tgetstr("ke", &p);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */

eolexist = (CE != NULL); /* will we be able to use clear to EOL? */
revexist = (SO != NULL);
***************
*** 316,326 ****
--- 323,343 ----
if (CS != NULL)
putpad(tgoto(CS, term.t_nrow, 0)) ;
}
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+
+ if(KS) /* enter keypad transmit mode */
+ putpad(KS);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
}

tcapclose()
{
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ if(KS && KE) /* get out of keypad transmit mode */
+ putpad(KE);
+
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(!Pmaster){
if(gmode&MDFKEY)
puts("\033[99l"); /* reset UW-NCSA telnet keys */
***************
*** 570,575 ****
--- 587,593 ----
tcaprev(state) /* change reverse video status */
int state; /* FALSE = normal video, TRUE = reverse video */
{
+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT
static int cstate = FALSE;

if(state == cstate) /* no op if already set! */
***************
*** 576,581 ****
--- 594,601 ----
return(0);

if(cstate = state){ /* remember last setting */
+ #else
+ if(state == TRUE){
if (SO != NULL)
putpad(SO);
}
***************
*** 583,588 ****
--- 603,609 ----
if (SE != NULL)
putpad(SE);
}
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
}

diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/addrbook.c pine/addrbook.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/addrbook.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:47 1993
--- pine/addrbook.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:26 1993
***************
*** 482,496 ****
--- 482,510 ----

case Single:
if(field == 0 || field == 1) {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(line, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(cursor == 1)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine1(line, 0, col1_control, ab_disp->abe->nickname);
if(cursor == 1)
EndInverse();
}
if((field == 0 || field == 2) && col2_width != 0) {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(line, col1_width + 1);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(cursor == 2)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine1(line, col1_width + 1, col2_control,
ab_disp->abe->fullname);
if(cursor == 2)
***************
*** 497,504 ****
--- 511,525 ----
EndInverse();
}
if((field == 0 || field == 3) && col3_width != 0) {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(line, col3_pos);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(cursor == 3)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine1(line, col3_pos, col3_control,ab_disp->abe->addr.addr);
if(cursor == 3)
EndInverse();
***************
*** 507,521 ****
--- 528,556 ----

case ListHead:
if(field == 0 || field == 1) {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(line, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(cursor == 1)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine1(line, 0, col1_control, ab_disp->abe->nickname);
if(cursor == 1)
EndInverse();
}
if((field == 0 || field == 2) && col2_width != 0) {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(line, col1_width+1);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(cursor == 2)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine1(line, col1_width+ 1, col2_control,
ab_disp->abe->fullname);
if(cursor == 2)
***************
*** 536,543 ****
--- 571,585 ----
}
}
if(col3_width != 0) {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(line, col3_pos);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(cursor != 0)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine1(line, col3_pos, col3_control, ab_disp->addr_in_list);
if(cursor != 0)
EndInverse();
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/folder.c pine/folder.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/folder.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:11 1993
--- pine/folder.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:28 1993
***************
*** 755,760 ****
--- 755,764 ----
for(tc = fs.context_list; tc ; tc = tc->next)
free_folders_in_context(tc);

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ ps->mangled_header = 1;
+
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
return(0);

***************
*** 1058,1065 ****
--- 1062,1076 ----
if((f = folder_entry(index, context->folders))->name == NULL)
return;

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(FIRST_DLINE + (f->d_line - fd->top_row), f->d_col);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(hilite)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */

if(context->type&FTYPE_BBOARD){
sprintf(tmp_20k_buf, "%s%s", f->prefix,
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/mailindx.c pine/mailindx.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/mailindx.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:37 1993
--- pine/mailindx.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:30 1993
***************
*** 370,379 ****
--- 370,390 ----
(*build_header_line(state->current_sorted_msgno)=='+')
? (void *) '+': (void *) '-');
} else {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(2 + (int)(old_current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent),
+ 0);
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine0(2 + (int)(old_current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent),
0, build_header_line(old_current_sorted_msgno));
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(2 + (int)(state->current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent),
+ 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT

+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine0(2 + (int)(state->current_sorted_msgno - old_top_ent),
0,build_header_line(state->current_sorted_msgno));
EndInverse();
***************
*** 636,644 ****
--- 647,660 ----
mail_fetchflags(stream, sequence);
m = mail_elt(stream, (long)msgno);
string = status_string(m);
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(2 + (int)screen_line, 2);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(!ps_global->low_speed)
StartInverse();
+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT
MoveCursor(2 + (int)screen_line, 2);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
Write_to_screen(string);
if(!ps_global->low_speed)
EndInverse();
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/makefile.hpp pine/makefile.hpp
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 14:48:04 1993
--- pine/makefile.hpp Tue Nov 16 15:26:08 1993
***************
*** 57,70 ****
RM= rm -f
LN= ln -s
MAKE= make
! OPTIMIZE= # -O
PROFILE= # -pg
! DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG

LIBES= -ltermcap -lnet
LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a

! CFLAGS= -DHPP $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG)

obj= addrbook.o addrutil.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o \
folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o \
--- 57,70 ----
RM= rm -f
LN= ln -s
MAKE= make
! OPTIMIZE= -O
PROFILE= # -pg
! DEBUG= # -g -DDEBUG

LIBES= -ltermcap -lnet
LOCLIBES= ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a

! CFLAGS= -DHPP -DHPTERM_SUPPORT $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG)

obj= addrbook.o addrutil.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o \
folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o \
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/pine.c pine/pine.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/pine.c Tue Nov 16 14:48:02 1993
--- pine/pine.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:32 1993
***************
*** 1183,1190 ****
--- 1183,1197 ----
sprintf(buf, mkeys[dline-3].descrip,
use_fkeys ? "" : pretty_command(mkeys[dline-3].key));
buf[ps_global->ttyo->screen_cols] = '\0';
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(dline, 4);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(dline-3 == current_default_menu_item)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine0(dline, 4, buf);
if(dline-3 == current_default_menu_item)
EndInverse();
***************
*** 1441,1450 ****
--- 1448,1464 ----
PutLine0(l++, 6,
"latest UW version of NCSA telnet for either, and probably Kermit too.");
PutLine0(l, 10, "Command:");
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(l, 19);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ANSI_PRINTER) == 0) {
matched_printer = 1;
StartInverse();
}
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine0(l++, 19, ANSI_PRINTER);
if(strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ANSI_PRINTER) == 0)
EndInverse();
***************
*** 1455,1465 ****
--- 1469,1486 ----
"Using this option may require setting your \"PRINTER\" environment");
PutLine0(l++, 6, "variable using the standard UNIX utilities.");
PutLine0(l, 10 , "Command: ");
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(l, 19);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL &&
strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER) == 0) {
matched_printer = 1;
StartInverse();
}
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine0(l++, 19, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL ?
ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER : "");
if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL &&
***************
*** 1478,1485 ****
--- 1499,1513 ----
PutLine0(l++, 6,
"commands and options on your system may be different these examples.");
PutLine0(l, 10, "Command: ");
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(l, 19);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(!matched_printer)
StartInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ else
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine0(l, 19, ps_global->VAR_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND == NULL ? "" :
ps_global->VAR_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND);
if(!matched_printer)
***************
*** 1506,1511 ****
--- 1534,1542 ----

PutLine0(ps_global->ttyo->screen_rows - 4, 13,
"PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington.");
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(ps_global->ttyo->screen_rows - 3, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
PutLine0(ps_global->ttyo->screen_rows - 3, 0,
"Type any character to continue : ");
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/screen.c pine/screen.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/screen.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:43 1993
--- pine/screen.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:33 1993
***************
*** 635,640 ****
--- 635,643 ----
}
tb = format_titlebar();
if(display_on_screen) {
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(0, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
PutLine0(0, 0, tb);
EndInverse();
***************
*** 646,651 ****
--- 649,657 ----
void
redraw_titlebar()
{
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(0,0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
PutLine0(0, 0, format_titlebar());
EndInverse();
***************
*** 868,873 ****
--- 874,882 ----
l_change = strlen(s_new) - strlen(s_old);

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(0, as.cur_mess_col);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
if(l_change == 0) {
PutLine0(0, as.cur_mess_col, s_new);
***************
*** 894,899 ****
--- 903,911 ----
}
}
}
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(1, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
EndInverse();
fflush(stdout);
as.current_message = new_message_number;
***************
*** 926,933 ****
--- 938,951 ----
if(old_percent == new_percent)
return;

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(0, as.percent_column);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
PutLine1(0, as.percent_column, "%3d", (void *)new_percent);
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(1, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
EndInverse();
fflush(stdout);
}
***************
*** 952,957 ****
--- 970,978 ----

as.current_page = new_page;

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(0, as.page_column);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
if(NUM_LEN(new_page) != NUM_LEN(as.current_page)) {
PutLine1(0, as.page_column, "%s", int2string(new_page));
***************
*** 962,967 ****
--- 983,991 ----
PutLine2(0,as.page_column,
"%s of %s ",tmp,int2string(as.total_pages));
}
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(1, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
EndInverse();
fflush(stdout);
}
***************
*** 992,999 ****
--- 1016,1029 ----
: mc->answered ? MS_ANS
: (!mc->seen) ? MS_NEW : 0;

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(0, as.del_column);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
PutLine0(0, as.del_column, BAR_STATUS(as.msg_state));
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(1, 0);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
EndInverse();
fflush(stdout);
return(1);
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/status.c pine/status.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/status.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:39 1993
--- pine/status.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:34 1993
***************
*** 467,472 ****
--- 467,479 ----

col = Centerline(row, obuff);
EndInverse();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ /* Deal with magic cookie (HP) terminals)... */
+ MoveCursor(row, col);
+ StartInverse();
+ MoveCursor(row, 0);
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
fflush(stdout);
return(col);
}
***************
*** 711,716 ****
--- 718,726 ----
{
int x;

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(l, c);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();
PutLine0(l, c, q);
x = c + strlen(q);
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyin.c pine/ttyin.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyin.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:34 1993
--- pine/ttyin.c Tue Nov 16 14:56:36 1993
***************
*** 1276,1283 ****
--- 1276,1285 ----
}

+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT
StartInverse(); /* Always in inverse */

+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
/*
* if display length isn't wide enough to support input,
* shorten up the prompt...
***************
*** 1296,1301 ****
--- 1298,1308 ----
dline.vlen = --field_len; /* -1 for terminating NULL */
dline.vbase = field_pos = 0;

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(real_y_base, x_base);
+ StartInverse(); /* Always in inverse */
+
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
PutLine0(real_y_base, x_base, prompt);
/* make sure passed in string is shorter than field_len */
/* and adjust field_pos.. */
***************
*** 1491,1496 ****
--- 1498,1506 ----
(*ps_global->redrawer)();
redraw_keymenu();

+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ MoveCursor(real_y_base, x_base);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
StartInverse();

PutLine0(real_y_base, x_base, prompt);
***************
*** 1568,1575 ****
--- 1578,1590 ----
fs_give((void **)&kill_buffer);

removing_trailing_white_space(string);
+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT
EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
MoveCursor(real_y_base, x_base); /* Move the cursor to show we're done */
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ EndInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
fflush(stdout);
return(return_v);
}
***************
*** 1602,1607 ****
--- 1617,1625 ----
*passwd == 2; /* only blat once */

extra = 0;
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ StartInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
MoveCursor(dline.row, dline.col);
while(extra++ < dline.dlen)
Writechar(' ', 0);
***************
*** 1677,1682 ****
--- 1695,1703 ----

if(pfp != pbp || *pfp != *vfp){ /* anything to paint? */
MoveCursor(dline.row, dline.col + (int)(pfp - dline.dl));
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ StartInverse();
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */

while(pfp <= pbp){
if(vfp <= vbp && *vfp)
diff -c ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyout.c pine/ttyout.c
*** ../pine-3.87-clean/pine/ttyout.c Tue Nov 16 14:47:38 1993
--- pine/ttyout.c Tue Nov 16 15:17:49 1993
***************
*** 130,136 ****
--- 130,141 ----
*_startinsert, *_endinsert, *_insertchar, *_deletechar,
*_deleteline, *_insertline,
*_scrollregion, *_scrollup, *_scrolldown,
+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT
*_termcap_init, *_termcap_end;
+ #else
+ *_termcap_init, *_termcap_end,
+ *_keypad_start, *_keypad_end;
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
static int _lines, _columns;
char termname[40];
#ifndef USE_TERMINFO
***************
*** 268,273 ****
--- 273,282 ----
_scrollup = tgetstr("sr", &ptr);
_termcap_init = tgetstr("ti", &ptr);
_termcap_end = tgetstr("te", &ptr);
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ _keypad_start = tgetstr("ks", &ptr);
+ _keypad_end = tgetstr("ke", &ptr);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
_lines = tgetnum("li");
_columns = tgetnum("co");
#endif
***************
*** 338,345 ****
--- 347,362 ----
{
if(_termcap_init != NULL) {
tputs(_termcap_init, 1, outchar);
+ #ifndef HPTERM_SUPPORT
fflush(stdout);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
}
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ if(_keypad_start != NULL) {
+ tputs(_keypad_start, 1, outchar);
+ }
+ fflush(stdout);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
}

***************
*** 405,410 ****
--- 422,431 ----
EndInverse();
MoveCursor( _lines - 1, 0);
NewLine();
+ #ifdef HPTERM_SUPPORT
+ if(_keypad_end != NULL)
+ tputs(_keypad_end, 1, outchar);
+ #endif /* HPTERM_SUPPORT */
if(_termcap_end != NULL)
tputs(_termcap_end, 1, outchar);
fflush(stdout);

--------
Daniel Simmons electronic mail : [email protected]
Idaho State University voice mail : (208) 236-3199
Computer Center snail mail : Box 8037, Pocatello

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Posting to newsgroups from PC-Pine
To: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected],
"Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" <[email protected]>
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Stephen,

Pine does not have the ability to post news yet. We are tentatively
hoping to have posting capability by next summer.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs] wrote:

> This is probably in the Pine FAQ and I would look there if I knew where it
> was... so please forgive me for asking the following:
>
> How does one post messages to USENET newsgroups from PC-Pine?
>
> Thank you.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Stephen F. Day (SFD7) AT&TNET: (505) 277-1698
> Director BITNET/CREN: SDAY@MEDUSA
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From: Frank NG ( CSC, Chinese University of Hong Kong ) <[email protected]>
Subject: Problem of using Pine 3.05 in NFS environment
To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 11:23:12 HKT
Cc: [email protected]
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

Dear Sir,

I have recently came across a problem of using Pine 3.05 in our NFS
environment.

If a user's home directory is at local hard disk (not NFS mounted),
we never came across the problem. However, if a user's home directory is NFS
mounted, user can only send mail and cannot open other folders, the terminal
will be hung up. Folder INBOX is marked "READONLY". Then, a dead pine process
will stay on the workstation and cannot be killed by user or super user.

Our environment is :

Application server : HP9000/755 running HP-UX 9.01

NFS server : HP9000/800 model G50 running 9.0

I have also used the newly created Pine 3.87, and the problem still
happens.

If you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Thanks & regards.

Frank Ng
Computer Services Centre
The Chinese University of Hong Kong

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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Here's a couple of features I'd like to see added to pico. Actually, I
have lots more, but this is all I can remember right now :-)

1) ABILITY TO START EDITING WITH THE CURSOR AT THE END OF THE FILE
If you are editing a long file (say, over 50k) and you save it,
you then enter again with the cursor back at the top of the file.
If there was a flag to allow you to start at the last line of the
file it would be great. (I use pico as a daily journal program,
and each entry appends to that day's file, so that' where a
command line flag would be useful to me).

2) GLOBAL FIND AND REPLACE
'nuff said, really. :-)

3) BETTER ABILITY TO MOVE WITHIN A FILE
Right now, the only way to go to any location is to either page
down to it or to hope you remember a word in that area and then
do a word search. If there was a way to have a 'goto' command,
that would be most helpful.

How it might work:
You can provide pico with some control sequence to have
a 'goto' prompt. You can then give it a number. This
number is a percentage. 0 is the top of the file, 100
is the bottom, and in-between is, well, in-between.

---

Oh well, just some thoughts.

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From: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Building 3.87 on Sequent...
To: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info:
>
> SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386
>
> Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5
>
> In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get:

you want to "build ptx"...

>
> Making c-client library and mtest
> cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c
> "os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone
> "os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size
> "os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size
> "os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined
> "os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
> "os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
> "os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
> "os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
> "os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy
> "os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove
> "os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset
> *** Error code 1
>
>
> If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still:
>
> Making Pine.
> rm -f os.h
> ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h
> ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148
> "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined
> "filter.c", line 396: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 402: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined
> "filter.c", line 430: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 437: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 438: syntax error
>
> 25145: *** Error code 1
>
>
> I'm not familiar with the Sequent....so does anyone have the
> makefiles and .h files I need to build on this system?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan
> Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
> FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C
>
>
>

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From: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Building 3.87 on Sequent...
To: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
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(Sorry, I sent the previous one by mistake...)

On Mon, 15 Nov 1993, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've got a Sequent, when I do a uname I get the following info:
>
> SEQUENT SEQUENT 3.2.0 V1.2.5 i386
>
> Also the login shows: DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.2.5
>
> In trying to build pine 3.87 I used "build dyn" and I get:

you want to "build ptx"...

>
> Making c-client library and mtest
> cc -g -Dconst= -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_dyn.c
> "os_dyn.c", line 68: redeclaration of timezone
> "os_dyn.c", line 88: unknown size
> "os_dyn.c", line 89: unknown size
> "os_dyn.c", line 92: tz_minuteswest undefined
> "os_dyn.c", line 92: member of structure or union required
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: member of structure or union required
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: illegal function
> "os_dyn.c", line 93: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
> "os_dyn.c", line 669: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
> "os_dyn.c", line 683: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op RETURN
> "os_dyn.c", line 698: warning: illegal pointer/integer combination, op =
> "os_dyn.c", line 744: redeclaration of memcpy
> "os_dyn.c", line 761: redeclaration of memmove
> "os_dyn.c", line 778: redeclaration of memset
> *** Error code 1
>
>
> If I use "build ptx" I get a bit further...but still:
>
> Making Pine.
> rm -f os.h
> ln -s osdep/os-ptx.h os.h
> ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c &25121
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c addrutil.c &25122
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c adrbklib.c &25123
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c args.c &25132
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c context.c &25138
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c filter.c &25145
> cc -Xo -DPTX -g -DDEBUG -c folder.c &25148
> "filter.c", line 396: fpos_t undefined
> "filter.c", line 396: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 402: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 430: fpos_t undefined
> "filter.c", line 430: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 437: syntax error
> "filter.c", line 438: syntax error
>
> 25145: *** Error code 1

Hmmmm...I can build it right out of the box...Most likely its the OLD
versions of ptx you have...:-(

Later...

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Subject: pine 3.87 on DEC Alpha

I went to build it on our alpha just now and it couldn't find osf
files in the c-client directory. I swear there was alpha support
there. My mind must be gone.

Is there support for the alpha/osf platform?

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Dave,

There are actually two c-client trees in Pine 3.85 and higher. Make sure
that imap/ANSI/c-client was linked to c-client by build.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

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|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Dave Rasmussen wrote:

> I went to build it on our alpha just now and it couldn't find osf
> files in the c-client directory. I swear there was alpha support
> there. My mind must be gone.
>
> Is there support for the alpha/osf platform?

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From: Mike Roch <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Posting to newsgroups from PC-Pine
To: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs] wrote:

> How does one post messages to USENET newsgroups from PC-Pine?

Use Compose and mail your message to [email protected]

NB use hyphens (-) instead of periods (.) in the group name.

Mike

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Subject: Getting pico to work from within Pnews

It appears that newsposts from with Pnews using pico as an editor aren't
making it into newsgroups. While this isn't actually a pine-related
question, I'd ask the list's indulgence, in the hopes that a pico (or
Pnews guru) might have a thought.

Thanks in advance.

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It works fine for me, posting from here to uw.test...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote:

>
> It appears that newsposts from with Pnews using pico as an editor aren't
> making it into newsgroups. While this isn't actually a pine-related
> question, I'd ask the list's indulgence, in the hopes that a pico (or
> Pnews guru) might have a thought.
>
> Thanks in advance.

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Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews
To: [email protected] (David L Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 14:08:42 -0800 (PST)
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I think I located a possible area... It appears that there needs to be
a blank line between the last line of the header and the first line of
text. I tried that, and successfully launched three posts.

I'll call off the troops.

> It works fine for me, posting from here to uw.test...

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: cut text "vanishes" between messages
To: Mike Stok <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], David Alden <[email protected]>
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Mike,

Sorry about the very slow response. The reason that this "feature" was
removed is that it was unexpected bahavior that was causing frustration
for novice users. A workaround is to export the first message to a file,
then read it into the reply. To improve upon this, a future version of
Pine will allow you to mark several messages and reply to all of them as
a group, including all the messages in the reply!

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

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On Thu, 7 Oct 1993, Mike Stok wrote:

> One of my users has just noticed that the way in which cut text is
> handled between 3.07 and 3.85 is different.
>
> He used to be able to combine the contents of more than one message by,
> for example:
>
> starting to forward <message 1>, go into the body, cut the exciting
> lines.
>
> cancel the forward of <message 1>
>
> reply to <message 2>, go into its body, uncut the lines which were
> cut from <message 1>
>
> This allowed him to quote from a number of messages even from a VT100 or
> similar terminal where the luxury of a window system provided cut & paste
> facility wasn't provided.
>
> Is there any chance of the "old" behaviour slipping back into 3.86, or is
> there some workaround that I have missed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> --
> The "usual disclaimers" apply. | Meiko
> Mike Stok | Reservoir Place
> [email protected] | 1601 Trapelo Road
> Meiko tel: (617) 890 7676 | Waltham, MA 02154
>
>
>
>

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From: Dan Schlitt <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews
To: Ralph Sims <[email protected]>
Cc: David L Miller <[email protected]>, [email protected],
[email protected]
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I do hope that when you fix things so you can post to news from within
Pine you will force the required empty line between the headers and the body!
That is the number two problem just behind the IBM nonsense of putting
spaces in lines that are supposed to be empty.

/dan

Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems
[email protected] City College of New York
(212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031

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> I do hope that when you fix things so you can post to news from within
> Pine you will force the required empty line between the headers and the body!
> That is the number two problem just behind the IBM nonsense of putting
> spaces in lines that are supposed to be empty.

Unfortunately, Pnews places the cursor at the top of the file. I would
imagine it could be hacked to drop down to the last line and do the
required magic. In the meantime, it's all auto-manual.

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Getting pico to work from within Pnews
To: Ralph Sims <[email protected]>
Cc: Dan Schlitt <[email protected]>, [email protected],
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Just to clarify a little. When executing pico from Pnews, it is simply acting
as a text editor. It has absolutely no idea that anything but plain text.
When called from Pine, it is passed a pre-constructed envelope and a text
body. When you are editing the headers, Pico constructs the envelope. When
full news posting support is added, all the news headers will be included in
the envelope. And, yes, the blank line will be there ;)

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Ralph Sims wrote:

> > I do hope that when you fix things so you can post to news from within
> > Pine you will force the required empty line between the headers and the body!
> > That is the number two problem just behind the IBM nonsense of putting
> > spaces in lines that are supposed to be empty.
>
> Unfortunately, Pnews places the cursor at the top of the file. I would
> imagine it could be hacked to drop down to the last line and do the
> required magic. In the meantime, it's all auto-manual.

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delete shadowrn [email protected]
add shadowrn [email protected] Robert (test) Hayden

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: Another Pine Dream
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Alright, I posted some pico dreams yesterday, and nobody has yet replied,
but here is a pine dream I have.

MULTIPLE IN BASKETS
As I'm sure many others do, I use the filter program to sort through
all of the mail I get (I get far too much for any rational human
being, I think). The problem is, Pine only keeps tabs on the
mail in INBOX, never letting you know if something comes in and
is shunted to another folder.

If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on
and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder,
that would be most nice.

As for checking on starting up pine, perhaps present a menu with
a listing of all the folders with new mail, and then you choose
where to go, with the default being INBOX, of cours.

Just a thought.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 00:55:03 +0000
From: Mike Grupenhoff <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Another Pine Dream
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> MULTIPLE IN BASKETS
[...]
> If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on
> and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder,
> that would be most nice.

I may be mistaken, but I believe the incoming-folders option in pine 3.85
and greater does what you want.

>From my .pinerc:

# incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages.
# Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path
# Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive
# email on several different machines.

incoming-folders=

---
Mike Grupenhoff
[email protected]
MIME mail accepted

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On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> delete shadowrn [email protected]
> add shadowrn [email protected] Robert (test) Hayden

Sorry about that folks. Too many damn maining lists, I guess, and not
enough attention paid to headers. :-)

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Some Pico Dreams
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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Robert,
Some of these are already on the enhancement list; I'll make sure they
all get considered.

-teg

On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Here's a couple of features I'd like to see added to pico. Actually, I
> have lots more, but this is all I can remember right now :-)
>
> 1) ABILITY TO START EDITING WITH THE CURSOR AT THE END OF THE FILE
> If you are editing a long file (say, over 50k) and you save it,
> you then enter again with the cursor back at the top of the file.
> If there was a flag to allow you to start at the last line of the
> file it would be great. (I use pico as a daily journal program,
> and each entry appends to that day's file, so that' where a
> command line flag would be useful to me).
>
> 2) GLOBAL FIND AND REPLACE
> 'nuff said, really. :-)
>
> 3) BETTER ABILITY TO MOVE WITHIN A FILE
> Right now, the only way to go to any location is to either page
> down to it or to hope you remember a word in that area and then
> do a word search. If there was a way to have a 'goto' command,
> that would be most helpful.
>
> How it might work:
> You can provide pico with some control sequence to have
> a 'goto' prompt. You can then give it a number. This
> number is a percentage. 0 is the top of the file, 100
> is the bottom, and in-between is, well, in-between.
>
> ---
>
> Oh well, just some thoughts.
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
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> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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To: Mike Grupenhoff <[email protected]>
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Pine Info <[email protected]>
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Mike,
The "incoming message folders" mechanism represents the *beginning* of what
Robert wants, but we still have more to do.

The plan is to extend the "magic" TAB command to move you from INBOX to the
other Incoming msg folders you have defined. Initially, it will do this
blindly, without knowing if there is any new mail in that folder or not.

Once the IMAP2bis spec is nailed down, we hope we will have the needed
mechanism for determining efficiently whether or not a folder has unread
mail. Then TAB will either skip the folders lacking unread messages, or
at least indicate whether there is unread mail pending.

The question of keeping all incoming folders open and monitoring for new
mail is tough for a couple of reasons, including efficiency/performance,
and user-interface complexity. (How do you indicate *which* folder has
received new mail, without overloading the message line?)

Anyway, we'll start with the TAB-initiated jump to other incoming
folders, and see how that goes. (Tab will also be used for moving
through newsgroups, beginning with 3.88. This will happen when you hit
Tab and there are no other unread messages in the current folder.)

-teg

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Mike Grupenhoff wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
> > MULTIPLE IN BASKETS
> [...]
> > If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on
> > and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder,
> > that would be most nice.
>
>
> I may be mistaken, but I believe the incoming-folders option in pine 3.85
> and greater does what you want.
>
> From my .pinerc:
>
> # incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages.
> # Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path
> # Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive
> # email on several different machines.
>
> incoming-folders=
>
>
>
> ---
> Mike Grupenhoff
> [email protected]
> MIME mail accepted
>
>
>

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From: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Subject: Command line mailing?
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While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague
stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message
from the command line. An example would be something like this:

% pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_

Is there a possibility that this can be considered for a future
version?

Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:57:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Troxel <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Another Pine Dream
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on
> and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder,
> that would be most nice.

If you are using a *nix host, there is a shell based solution that
might meet your needs. In csh or tcsh one would just 'set mail'
appropriately. Here is an excerpt from our local csh man page:

mail The files where the shell checks for mail.
This is done after each command completion
that results in a prompt, if a specified
interval has elapsed. The shell says You
have new mail, if the file exists with an
access time not greater than its modify time.

...

If multiple mail files are specified, then
the shell says New mail in _name_ when there is
mail in the file _name_.

In sh or ksh, setting the MAILPATH variable should have the same
effect.

Rick Troxel [email protected] 301/496-4823
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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David Miller wrote in response to another query:

> . . . A workaround is to export the first message to a file, . . .

Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the
pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later.
I know there is the postpone feature--and that is very handy--but
it is limited. I have situations in which I start to write to someone,
get a good letter going, but then decide I want to wait (for more
information, for a cooler moment, whatever) before deciding whether to
send it. If I simply postpone it, then I'm stuck answering "no"--
possibly for weeks--whenever I use the composer, and not being able to
postpone any other messages in the meantime (or so I believe--correct me
if I'm wrong).
What I'd like is a "write to file" command in the pine editor. I
*think* there is not currently such a feature. Again, correct me if I'm
wrong.
I'm sure there are work arounds--e.g., use the postpone feature,
find the file that is saved as a result, and copy that file to a filename
of my choice. Another work around would be to change the header to send
the mail to myself, send it, and then export it from my INBOX. But maybe
there could be a more straightforward way? I haven't tried slipping into
an "alternate editor" (e.g. emacs or even pico) and saving from there.
If I'm unusual in wanting this "write out" feature, then, since
there are work arounds, there is no point in adding it. But maybe there
is a more widespread interest in such a feature in an easy to use manner.
I know--no more free control keys. Is it time to add an extra
layer of command keys--you know, using one control key as an emacs-like
"prefix." Complicates things, I know.
By the way, David, thanks for your quick and clear responses to
everything.

--

Dr. Richard Lee [email protected]
Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 [email protected]
University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826
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> From [email protected] Fri Nov 12 19:27:21 1993
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> You neglected to mention that this documentation is based on PINE 3.05!
> If anyone redoes this for the current releases, I would be grateful!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We have a set of Course Notes, recently updated to be applicable to
version 3.8* of Pine. The document has been produced using Interleaf, and
contains screen displays (but these are text, not screen dumps). I can
supply a hard copy, a PostScript file, the Interleaf file, an rtf version
(produced by Interleaf, readable by Word), and a plain text version to
anyone who wants one.

The files are available via ftp to deneb.dur.ac.uk, in the directory
pub/Documents/Pine. The Interleaf files are in a subdirectory of Pine, called
Interleaf.

Access deneb using the username 'anonymous'

Barbara Smith

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Command line mailing?
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Cc: pine-info <[email protected]>
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This question come up every once in a while. But, I don't really see the
difference between that and

% mail -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_

About the only thing I see missing is the ability to specify a nickname
from your addressbook...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

> While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague
> stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message
> from the command line. An example would be something like this:
>
> % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_
>
> Is there a possibility that this can be considered for a future
> version?
>
> Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
> UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
> Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060
>

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From: Jason Hough <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Command line mailing?
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>, pine-info <[email protected]>
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Another advantage to this, Dave, would be to send an attachment from the
command line, which is something I've often wanted to do.

Perhaps:

% pine -s '_subject_' -f _file.name_ _user_ < _message_

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> This question come up every once in a while. But, I don't really see the
> difference between that and
>
> % mail -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_
>
> About the only thing I see missing is the ability to specify a nickname
> from your addressbook...
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:
>
> > While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague
> > stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message
> > from the command line. An example would be something like this:
> >
> > % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_
> >
> > Is there a possibility that this can be considered for a future
> > version?
> >
> > Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
> > UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
> > Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060
> >
>

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From: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Command line mailing?
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
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I know that this is a religous issue, etc, but I can't see the reason for
having pine do command line mailing except for having it interpret address
book entries. Why not just use an existing mail user agent for this,
such as mailx on Sys V or Mail on BSD?

I am starting to get really worried about the creeping featurism of Pine. I
adopted it here because it was so simple and easy to use, that it didn't
scare away novices.

Thankfully, the feature-sets are my salvation. It hides stuff from the
beginner until they are ready to use it. As for setting this stuff within
Pine, if they can't edit an external file from the shell, they aren't ready
for more features!

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

> While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague
> stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message
> from the command line. An example would be something like this:
>
> % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_

Ken Weaverling [email protected]
Manager of Computer Services
Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
Delaware Technical & Community College

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From: Bob Gregory <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Saving from composer
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On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote:

> Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the
> pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later.

A number of awkward work-arounds have been suggested for this
functionality. This solution works well for me:

- delete all the recipients.
- set Fcc: postponed
- "send" the message (no recipients, only a file copy)

..so there is folder named "postponed", containing one or more messages.
Later, when you want to resume composing...

- enter the "postponed" folder.
- forward the messages (not as MIME, to continue composing).

Hint

If recipient addresses are complex, and not in the address book, then
"undelete" them into the message body as you delete them from the headers,
and reverse the process later when you are editing the forwarded message.

Why this is good

- It's file system independent, and works the same way on any platform.
- It keeps mail in mail folders, where mail belongs, IMHO.
- Location independence (it should work fine with IMAP).

Even if the composer allowed saves, addresses are still a problem. A more
elaborate solution would be a special (to Pine) "postponed" folder, where
such messages would be squirreled away, and the only operation would be
"resume composing". The down side of this is complexity. Consider the
novice who accidentally postpones a message -- the way it works now, it's
impossible to forget about postponed messages. This is worth keeping.

-- Bob Gregory <[email protected]>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Saving from composer
To: Richard Lee <[email protected]>
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We have an item on our requested enhancements list to add support for
multiple postponed messages. Beyond that, I think you have pretty well
enumerated the workarounds. I can think of another workaround that will
be available when we get the bounce command implemented as well...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote:

> David Miller wrote in response to another query:
>
> > . . . A workaround is to export the first message to a file, . . .
>
> Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the
> pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later.
> I know there is the postpone feature--and that is very handy--but
> it is limited. I have situations in which I start to write to someone,
> get a good letter going, but then decide I want to wait (for more
> information, for a cooler moment, whatever) before deciding whether to
> send it. If I simply postpone it, then I'm stuck answering "no"--
> possibly for weeks--whenever I use the composer, and not being able to
> postpone any other messages in the meantime (or so I believe--correct me
> if I'm wrong).
> What I'd like is a "write to file" command in the pine editor. I
> *think* there is not currently such a feature. Again, correct me if I'm
> wrong.
> I'm sure there are work arounds--e.g., use the postpone feature,
> find the file that is saved as a result, and copy that file to a filename
> of my choice. Another work around would be to change the header to send
> the mail to myself, send it, and then export it from my INBOX. But maybe
> there could be a more straightforward way? I haven't tried slipping into
> an "alternate editor" (e.g. emacs or even pico) and saving from there.
> If I'm unusual in wanting this "write out" feature, then, since
> there are work arounds, there is no point in adding it. But maybe there
> is a more widespread interest in such a feature in an easy to use manner.
> I know--no more free control keys. Is it time to add an extra
> layer of command keys--you know, using one control key as an emacs-like
> "prefix." Complicates things, I know.
> By the way, David, thanks for your quick and clear responses to
> everything.
>
> --
>
> Dr. Richard Lee [email protected]
> Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 [email protected]
> University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826
> Fayetteville, AR 72701
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> This question come up every once in a while. But, I don't really see the
> difference between that and
>
> % mail -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_
>
> About the only thing I see missing is the ability to specify a nickname
> from your addressbook...

That ability, to use your addressbook names, it sorely needed, for
mailing to large distributions or the like.

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From: David Wall <[email protected]>
Reply-To: David Wall <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Saving from composer
To: Bob Gregory <[email protected]>
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Bob,
Interesting that you use (reply or forward? you didn't mention which)
the Fcc: line only to postpone, ie to save to a folder.

Yesterday I had a complaint from a user who used "F"orward, deleted the
addresses and used Fcc just to save to another folder. (The person had
found this technique, but not a simple "S"ave.) The problem is that only
the From line in the mail header was getting saved, not the message.

Since the person claimed that this had worked in the past, I'm guessing
that it might be a problem with 3.87. The problem was reported on a
Sequent Dynix/ptx system and I duplicated it on Ultrix.

The bottom line is: check to make sure this is still working for you!!

(I'm presuming David Miller will see this and get it to pine-bugs if
appropriate.)

--David Wall Computing & Communications...Client Services 3-8491
Univ. of Washington HG-45 [email protected]

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Bob Gregory wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:03:04 +0200 (IST)
> From: Bob Gregory <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Saving from composer
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote:
>
> > Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the
> > pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later.
>
>
> A number of awkward work-arounds have been suggested for this
> functionality. This solution works well for me:
>
> - delete all the recipients.
> - set Fcc: postponed
> - "send" the message (no recipients, only a file copy)
>
> ...so there is folder named "postponed", containing one or more messages.
> Later, when you want to resume composing...
>
> - enter the "postponed" folder.
> - forward the messages (not as MIME, to continue composing).
>
> Hint
>
> If recipient addresses are complex, and not in the address book, then
> "undelete" them into the message body as you delete them from the headers,
> and reverse the process later when you are editing the forwarded message.
>
> Why this is good
>
> - It's file system independent, and works the same way on any platform.
> - It keeps mail in mail folders, where mail belongs, IMHO.
> - Location independence (it should work fine with IMAP).
>
> Even if the composer allowed saves, addresses are still a problem. A more
> elaborate solution would be a special (to Pine) "postponed" folder, where
> such messages would be squirreled away, and the only operation would be
> "resume composing". The down side of this is complexity. Consider the
> novice who accidentally postpones a message -- the way it works now, it's
> impossible to forget about postponed messages. This is worth keeping.
>
> -- Bob Gregory <[email protected]>
>
>
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Saving from composer
To: David Wall <[email protected]>
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David,

That bug is fixed in the upcoming Pine 3.88. Thanks for pointing it out!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, David Wall wrote:

> Bob,
> Interesting that you use (reply or forward? you didn't mention which)
> the Fcc: line only to postpone, ie to save to a folder.
>
> Yesterday I had a complaint from a user who used "F"orward, deleted the
> addresses and used Fcc just to save to another folder. (The person had
> found this technique, but not a simple "S"ave.) The problem is that only
> the From line in the mail header was getting saved, not the message.
>
> Since the person claimed that this had worked in the past, I'm guessing
> that it might be a problem with 3.87. The problem was reported on a
> Sequent Dynix/ptx system and I duplicated it on Ultrix.
>
> The bottom line is: check to make sure this is still working for you!!
>
> (I'm presuming David Miller will see this and get it to pine-bugs if
> appropriate.)
>
> --David Wall Computing & Communications...Client Services 3-8491
> Univ. of Washington HG-45 [email protected]
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Bob Gregory wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:03:04 +0200 (IST)
> > From: Bob Gregory <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Saving from composer
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Richard Lee wrote:
> >
> > > Speaking of this: is it possible when composing a message in the
> > > pine composer easily to save that message in a file and return to it later.
> >
> >
> > A number of awkward work-arounds have been suggested for this
> > functionality. This solution works well for me:
> >
> > - delete all the recipients.
> > - set Fcc: postponed
> > - "send" the message (no recipients, only a file copy)
> >
> > ...so there is folder named "postponed", containing one or more messages.
> > Later, when you want to resume composing...
> >
> > - enter the "postponed" folder.
> > - forward the messages (not as MIME, to continue composing).
> >
> > Hint
> >
> > If recipient addresses are complex, and not in the address book, then
> > "undelete" them into the message body as you delete them from the headers,
> > and reverse the process later when you are editing the forwarded message.
> >
> > Why this is good
> >
> > - It's file system independent, and works the same way on any platform.
> > - It keeps mail in mail folders, where mail belongs, IMHO.
> > - Location independence (it should work fine with IMAP).
> >
> > Even if the composer allowed saves, addresses are still a problem. A more
> > elaborate solution would be a special (to Pine) "postponed" folder, where
> > such messages would be squirreled away, and the only operation would be
> > "resume composing". The down side of this is complexity. Consider the
> > novice who accidentally postpones a message -- the way it works now, it's
> > impossible to forget about postponed messages. This is worth keeping.
> >
> > -- Bob Gregory <[email protected]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Paul Ribeiro <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Command line mailing?
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> book entries. Why not just use an existing mail user agent for this,
> such as mailx on Sys V or Mail on BSD?
so why not drop news reading from Pine then? we have news readers for
that :-)
I would like to be able to do a 'sendfile report1.wpf [email protected]'
where 'sendfile' would be a script that would invoke Pine and tell it
to mail to foo with an attachment that pine would mime encode.
but, thats just me....I'll probably always use tin or rn for news...
/P

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From: [email protected] (Ken Hardy)
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Command line mailing?

Perhaps the best way to handle the "creeping featurism" issue in Pine
is to adopt the unix ideal of small tools working together, especially
where the command-line is at issue. A small tool to pull RFC822
addresses from the address book could work like this (with /bin/sh):

mail -s "_subject_" `pineaddr _nickname_` <_message_

Another utility might be written to MIME-encode attachments:

mimify _message_ _file1_ _file2_ | mail -s "_subject_" _addr_

or, if MIME requires those MIME-specific headers in the message
(haven't paid that much attention):

mimify -s "_subject_" -a "_addr_list_" _message_ _file1_ _file2_

where "mimify" would create the necessary headers & encapsulations and
pipe it off to sendmail (or MTA of choice); not too sophisticated a
task. It could borrow existing code from Pine, but not be a part of a
monolithic do-all, be-all. (Of course, "`pineaddr _user_`" could be used
instead of "_addr_" and "_addr_list_" in the preceeding examples.)

Remember that Pine is most notable for its user interface; we have
technically-sophisticated users abandoning mailtool & xmail in favor of
it, and not because of MIME. These command-line issues really are not
at all related to Pine as a user interface. Stand-alone, simplish
command-line utilities are best for command-line usage. The majority
of Pine users will never need something like this, so why burden Pine
with it (and introduce new bugs with the effort)? The "pineaddr" and
"mimify" utilities could be included in the Pine distribution, if the
UW guys decide they want to support it. But it really doesn't need to
have anything to do with Pine proper.

--
Ken Hardy
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From: Paul Ferraro <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Command line mailing?
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
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On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> I know that this is a religous issue, etc, but I can't see the reason for
> having pine do command line mailing except for having it interpret address
> book entries. Why not just use an existing mail user agent for this,
> such as mailx on Sys V or Mail on BSD?
>
> I am starting to get really worried about the creeping featurism of Pine. I
> adopted it here because it was so simple and easy to use, that it didn't
> scare away novices.

I would have to agree with Ken on this one!

>
> Thankfully, the feature-sets are my salvation. It hides stuff from the
> beginner until they are ready to use it. As for setting this stuff within
> Pine, if they can't edit an external file from the shell, they aren't ready
> for more features!
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:
>
> > While folks are dreaming about new features for pine, a colleague
> > stated that he would like to see pine be able to mail a message
> > from the command line. An example would be something like this:
> >
> > % pine -s '_subject_' _user_ < _message_
>
> Ken Weaverling [email protected]
> Manager of Computer Services
> Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
> Delaware Technical & Community College
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Command line mailing?
To: Ken Hardy <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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If someone would like to contribute these utilities, we would be happy to
include them in the contrib directory of the source distribution.

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Ken Hardy wrote:

> Perhaps the best way to handle the "creeping featurism" issue in Pine
> is to adopt the unix ideal of small tools working together, especially
> where the command-line is at issue. A small tool to pull RFC822
> addresses from the address book could work like this (with /bin/sh):
>
> mail -s "_subject_" `pineaddr _nickname_` <_message_
>
> Another utility might be written to MIME-encode attachments:
>
> mimify _message_ _file1_ _file2_ | mail -s "_subject_" _addr_
>
> or, if MIME requires those MIME-specific headers in the message
> (haven't paid that much attention):
>
> mimify -s "_subject_" -a "_addr_list_" _message_ _file1_ _file2_
>
> where "mimify" would create the necessary headers & encapsulations and
> pipe it off to sendmail (or MTA of choice); not too sophisticated a
> task. It could borrow existing code from Pine, but not be a part of a
> monolithic do-all, be-all. (Of course, "`pineaddr _user_`" could be used
> instead of "_addr_" and "_addr_list_" in the preceeding examples.)
>
> Remember that Pine is most notable for its user interface; we have
> technically-sophisticated users abandoning mailtool & xmail in favor of
> it, and not because of MIME. These command-line issues really are not
> at all related to Pine as a user interface. Stand-alone, simplish
> command-line utilities are best for command-line usage. The majority
> of Pine users will never need something like this, so why burden Pine
> with it (and introduce new bugs with the effort)? The "pineaddr" and
> "mimify" utilities could be included in the Pine distribution, if the
> UW guys decide they want to support it. But it really doesn't need to
> have anything to do with Pine proper.
>
> --
> Ken Hardy
> [email protected] (racerx!ken) --__-_____--__-__--_--__-___-__-__-___----

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From: [email protected] (Jamey Maze)
Subject: unhiding "sender" header field in attached message

I asked this once, but got no answer, so I'll try again.

Reading a message in pine that contains an attached message, the sender
header is hidden. How can I tell pine to display the sender header in the
attached message?

I'm using 3.87.

Thanks!

--
Jamey Maze
Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Inc.
Oak Ridge National Laboratory

There's no reason to try and explain to the average person how computers
work. Bits, bytes, binary numbers; most people couldn't care less. Just say
it's magic, and here's how to make it do what you want. The typical person
neither wants nor needs to know more. - W. T. Winston

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> I would like to be able to do a 'sendfile report1.wpf [email protected]'
> where 'sendfile' would be a script that would invoke Pine and tell it
> to mail to foo with an attachment that pine would mime encode.
> but, thats just me....

I have such a tool. But it doesn't use Pine,
so it doesn't exploit Pine's addressbooks. But it could.
I intend for my tool to rely on some other (as yet undetermined)
program to "explode" lists and translate aliases. If this
other tool could use Pine's addressbooks, so much the better!

> /P

--
Rick Troth <[email protected]>, Rice University, Information Systems

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Problem of using Pine 3.05 in NFS environment
To: Frank NG <[email protected]>
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Frank,

It looks like you are being bitten by the notorious NFS file locking
problem. Our recommended solution is to install an IMAP server (imapd) on
the system(s) that has the local storage. This way the IMAP server can
manage all of the locks locally without having to worry about rpc.lockd
bugs. We are working on ways to bypass the NFS locking problems, but do
not have a completely satisfactory solution yet.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 17 Nov 1993, Frank NG wrote:

> Dear Sir,
>
> I have recently came across a problem of using Pine 3.05 in our NFS
> environment.
>
> If a user's home directory is at local hard disk (not NFS mounted),
> we never came across the problem. However, if a user's home directory is NFS
> mounted, user can only send mail and cannot open other folders, the terminal
> will be hung up. Folder INBOX is marked "READONLY". Then, a dead pine process
> will stay on the workstation and cannot be killed by user or super user.
>
> Our environment is :
>
> Application server : HP9000/755 running HP-UX 9.01
>
> NFS server : HP9000/800 model G50 running 9.0
>
> I have also used the newly created Pine 3.87, and the problem still
> happens.
>
> If you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
>
> Thanks & regards.
>
> .Frank Ng
> .Computer Services Centre
> .The Chinese University of Hong Kong
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: compiling pine3.87 on RS6000
To: Guenter Mueller <[email protected]>
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Guenter,

I had not seen this before on other AIX 3.2.x systems. Unfortunately
there seems to be some variation among AIX 3.2.x systems that does not
necessarily correspond with the version number...

Thanks for the contribution!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 10 Nov 1993, Guenter Mueller wrote:

> Hello,
> in order to compile this package on aix 3.2.4 with build a32 I have to
> add an include statement to pine3.87/c-client/os_a32.c
>
> #include <sys/time.h>
>
> I think, it is easy to add this statement in the distribution.
>
> BTW, there was the same behavior in 3.85
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Guenter
>
> Guenter Mueller [email protected] Phone: +49 761 203 -4622
> University of Freiburg - Computing Center FAX: -4643
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Phone and FAX Numbers since 10.10.93 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pico for news
To: Matt Simmons <[email protected]>
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Try the '-w' command line option. See the man page for other options
that may be of use...

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote:

> When using pico for editting news articles, it has this annoying tendency
> to automatically clip long references lines into two smaller lines, so
> that I have to change them back to one line before it's a legal article
> again... This was not in the pico that came with 3.07... (i.e. the pico
> from 3.07 didn't divide the references line)... Can the 3.87 pico be
> changed back to the 3.07 pico behavior??
>
> Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________
> Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]|
> Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| |
> Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__|
> =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System ||
> LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________
> __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a
> _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =)
>
>
>

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From: Nancy McGough <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: pico for news
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 18:45:40 PST
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X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

What utility are you using to post? I haven't had any problem
using plain "pico" or "pico -t" to post from nn - I just did some
experiments on articles with long header lines. I'm using
Pico 2.1 which I think is the latest.

Thanks,
Nancy

Quoting David L Miller,
> Try the '-w' command line option. See the man page for other options
> that may be of use...

> On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Matt Simmons wrote:
> > When using pico for editting news articles, it has this annoying tendency
> > to automatically clip long references lines into two smaller lines, so
> > that I have to change them back to one line before it's a legal article
> > again... This was not in the pico that came with 3.07... (i.e. the pico
> > from 3.07 didn't divide the references line)... Can the 3.87 pico be
> > changed back to the 3.07 pico behavior??

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On Thu, 18 Nov 1993, Nancy McGough wrote:
> What utility are you using to post? I haven't had any problem
> using plain "pico" or "pico -t" to post from nn - I just did some
> experiments on articles with long header lines. I'm using
> Pico 2.1 which I think is the latest.
I'm using tin 1.2 pl2, which is the newest version... I'm going to try
the -w flag tho..

Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________
Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]|
Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| |
Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__|
=========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System ||
LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________
__/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a
_/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =)

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subscribe

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: input/output character mapping in Unix-Pine
To: Christer Lindh <[email protected]>
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Christer,

Sorry about the delayed reply. The character mapping was a desparately
needed last minute enhancement added to PC-Pine. As we get more
experience with it, we will decide when/how/if we want to add further
character set translation to Unix Pine. I am also not sure how well
ISO-646-SE terminals will work with Pine, since Pine relies on "{}|[]"
for context management and such. Of course, this is not usually of
concern to novice users and I assume that power users know how to bypass
the problem...

Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 25 Oct 1993, Christer Lindh wrote:

> A long time ago I wished for input/output character mapping for Pine
> (back then it was UNIX only). Now I see that you have put it in, but
> unfortunately for PC only!!
>
> With a slight generalization of this it becomes usable for UNIX as
> well. Example; we would use it for users that have old terminals with
> ISO 646-SE, the swedish 7bit charset where "{}|[]\" are replaced by
> our national characters. I want to map these users input/output
> to/from ISO 8859-1 else they can't read mails using 8859/1 and what
> they write will become incomprehensible when viewed on a 8bit
> terminal. (It'll look like a C-program...)
>
> It seems I could use the PC-mapping stuff if it became enabled for
> UNIX as well.
>
> And why are the maps named by two env variables and not by entries in
> the pinerc-file like all other options?
>
> --
> :: [email protected] :: o/ :: ::
> :: Abalon AB, Stockholm, Sweden :: /@ :: Earth. ::
> :: (MIME compliant) :: /!> :: Love it or leave it. ::
> :: * All disclaimers apply * :: ! climb! :: ::

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: name expansion
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Dave,

There are much better ways to work around the sendmail buffering bug than
the hack to not expand local addresses. Pine 3.88 solves this by breaking
the list into pieces that are more palatable to sendmail. It should be
available in a few days.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 12 Nov 1993, Dave Rasmussen wrote:

>
> I ran into a problem the other day with a professor who wanted to create a
> mailing list in pine for her nursing class. The problem was that with the
> name expansion sent off to sendmail, it blew sendmail's atom limit or
> something and currently the mail is still sitting in the queue.
>
> I had hacked elm at one point to not expand local addresses. Is this
> something easily done in pine or not recommended or what?
>
> I'm basically saying, if I send to dave (@localaddress)
> I'd like it to be sent to dave
> not David A. Rasmussen <[email protected]>
> ---
> Dave Rasmussen - SysAdm/Hacker/Consulting Manager, UWM Computing Svcs Div.
> Internet:[email protected], Uucp:uwm!dave, Bitnet:dave%uwm.edu@INTERBIT
> AT&T:414-229-5133 USmail:Box 413 EMS380,Milwaukee,WI 53201 HAM: N9REJ
>
>
>

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From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." <[email protected]>
Subject: pine in memory...
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Hi dear list,
I want to improve the perform of my system and response time, is
there some way for have PINE resident in memory ??
I have got a Microvax 3400 on Ultrix ...

An idea??

Thank's in advance...

/####### E. Isaias Callejas M.
/# /############ Group System Managers from Microvax 3400 System
/## /############## Coordination of Computing Services
### /## ### Academic Computing
### ### ### National University of Mexico
### ########## ###
### ### ### =================================================
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 21:06:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Subject: More Dreams: Compressed Folders
To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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I'm wondering if there are any immediate/future plans to implement the
ability within pine to manipulate folders that are compressed. I know
that I have about 500 to 1000k in various and sundry folders, and if I
could compress them, it sure would be a boon on my quota limited system.

Thanks :)

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Reply-To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine in memory...
To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." <[email protected]>
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Isaias,

There are some other things you can look at that should improve performance
more than just locking Pine resident. If you normally keep alot of messages
in your inbox, you can probably get a considerable speedup by switching to a
Tenex format INBOX. You can convert your inbox to Tenex format by creating
an empty file called "mail.TxT" in your home directory. Note that other
mail programs will not be able to read the Tenex inbox.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote:

> Hi dear list,
> I want to improve the perform of my system and response time, is
> there some way for have PINE resident in memory ??
> I have got a Microvax 3400 on Ultrix ...
>
> An idea??
>
> Thank's in advance...
>
>
> /####### E. Isaias Callejas M.
> /# /############ Group System Managers from Microvax 3400 System
> /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services
> ### /## ### Academic Computing
> ### ### ### National University of Mexico
> ### ########## ###
> ### ### ### =================================================
> ### ##/ ###
> ##############/ ##/ Internet : [email protected]
> ############/ #/ Bitnet : [email protected]
> #######/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: More Dreams: Compressed Folders
To: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Info <[email protected]>
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Robert,

You are not the first to suggest this, and it is on the ever-growing
"requested enhancement list". Can't make any promises yet, though.

-teg

On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> I'm wondering if there are any immediate/future plans to implement the
> ability within pine to manipulate folders that are compressed. I know
> that I have about 500 to 1000k in various and sundry folders, and if I
> could compress them, it sure would be a boon on my quota limited system.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: More Dreams: Compressed Folders
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Robert,

We have no plans to implement compressed folders. However, it should not
be very difficult to implement a c-client driver to implement compressed
folders. See the c-client/mbox.c file in the Pine distribution for an
example of how to write a driver that inherits most of it's code from
another driver.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> I'm wondering if there are any immediate/future plans to implement the
> ability within pine to manipulate folders that are compressed. I know
> that I have about 500 to 1000k in various and sundry folders, and if I
> could compress them, it sure would be a boon on my quota limited system.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> [email protected]
> \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
> \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle
> \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> Expeditionary Force -- 1993-1951
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++
> n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 06:45:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Subject: Save before leaving? (Y/N)
To: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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It happened to me again, I answered No, when I meant to return to editing
and lost everything! But this time I stopped to think about why I
unconsciously repeated this same stupid mistake when I know better.

I am usually in a hurry, and subconsciously saw the word "leaving" right
next to Y/N and *THAT* word stuck in my mind, therefore since I didn't
want to "leave" I answered N.

Perhaps it could be reworded as....

Before leaving, would you like to save? (Y/N)

Then the key word "save" is right near where the action is to take place
and where the eye's focus is, and that is the location of the cursor.

I think I can manage this code change locally :-), but thought I'd toss
it out for consideration as well...

Ken Weaverling [email protected]
Manager of Computer Services
Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of
Delaware Technical & Community College

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From: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Save before leaving? (Y/N)
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Can I reply to my own post?! :-)

Just realized more... the behavior of pico and pine are different in this
respect, and that may be what throws me off time and time again. In pine,
if I hit ^X it asks me if I want to send the message. If I say N then I
return to editing. I have to press ^C to cancel. In pico if I answer N
I exit the program.

So the inconsistency is the problem. Don't know the solution. Some
companies spend big bucks studying user interface design issues so I'll
leave suggestions to others! My job is to just whine!

On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> It happened to me again, I answered No, when I meant to return to editing
> and lost everything! But this time I stopped to think about why I
> unconsciously repeated this same stupid mistake when I know better.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 15:13:51 -0700
From: Steve Hole <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: More Dreams: Compressed Folders
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>,
Pine Info <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Robert,
>
> We have no plans to implement compressed folders. However, it should not
> be very difficult to implement a c-client driver to implement compressed
> folders. See the c-client/mbox.c file in the Pine distribution for an
> example of how to write a driver that inherits most of it's code from
> another driver.

We have plans to implement a new (hopefully) generic driver that exhibits
characteristics:

(1) Hierarchical folder structure mapped onto the hierarchical folder
system. If the host systems does not support hierarchy, then we
will have a variant that just uses filesystem namespace encoding
to emulate hierarchy.

(2) Per-file store of messages. This should allow individual messages
to be locked.

(3) Message compression. Messages will be stored compressed.

This new driver will converge with similar local transport support
developed for our MTA's that will allow the MTA to write into the
folder space, do cross linking of messages on delivery and write
compressed files. It will also provide an API for managing message
archival on the system.

We see this as being very important for providing mail service
independent of the UNIX server host environment. Theoretically, the
IMAP server will use Kerberos for authentications and production rules
based on the Kerberos user information to locate and identify user folder
spaces. Deployment of remote mail systems in large sites is dependent
on MS/MTA convergence support to support large organization mail
administration.

Plans for providing this new folder structure are to begin implementation
in January. We are busy acquiring additional resources for making this
happen. We will of course make this available to the Pine development
team if they don't do something first.

Cheers.

--
Steve Hole Director of Research and Communications
ISA Corporation mail: [email protected]
Suite 835, 10040 - 104 St. phone: (403) 420-8081
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada fax: (403) 420-8037
T5J 0Z2

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From: David Broudy <dbroudy%[email protected]>
Subject: PINE: delay between send and receipt of mail
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PINE here runs on a lightly loaded DS5000/240 under ULTRIX.
Intermittently, we notice long delays in receiving mail. For example last
week I sent a short message to the next cubicle at 8:30 am, it arrived as
new mail at 4:00. Most of our 40 users have access to v3.07, a few of
us are using 3.87. Can someone give a suggestion on how to
diagnose/remedy this? Will upgrading to the current version help?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ David Broudy, Computer Manager, Ofc Medical Investigator +
+ UNM School of Medicine, Albuquerque, NM 87131-5091 +
+ 505/277-3234,3053 242-7108 [email protected] +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: [email protected] (Jonathan Neher)
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Another pine problem reported... Can you help this user?
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected]
X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII
Content-Length: 919

I haven't heard of this from anyone else. I haven't been able to
duplicate it either. I looked at the pkangas .pinerc and see nothing
unusual. Anyone seen this before with pine 3.87 on a Sun machines
running SunOS 4.1.3? Please respond via e-mail.

Thanks,

Jon

> >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 11:18:23 -0800 (PST)
> >From: Pertti Olavi Kangas <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Problems with pine ??
> >To: Joe St Sauver <[email protected]>
> >Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> >Status: R
> >
> >
> >
> >this is what happened several times when I tried to send mail:
> >
> > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
> > Exiting pine.
> > Arithmetic exception (core dumped)
> > 2% exit
> >
> >- could you please explain?
> > Thanks, Pertti
> >
> >
>
>

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From: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Save before leaving? (Y/N)
To: Ken Weaverling <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine Mailing List <[email protected]>
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That's an even better explanation! Thanks, -mr

On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> Just realized more... the behavior of pico and pine are different in this
> respect, and that may be what throws me off time and time again. In pine,
> if I hit ^X it asks me if I want to send the message. If I say N then I
> return to editing. I have to press ^C to cancel. In pico if I answer N
> I exit the program.
>
> So the inconsistency is the problem. Don't know the solution. Some
> companies spend big bucks studying user interface design issues so I'll
> leave suggestions to others! My job is to just whine!

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The problem is you have just initiated an 'exit' procedure,
and the 'no' response should abort the exit procedure
(and return you to the edit mode).
There is no reason it should be impossible to abort the exit function,
an accidental ^X should be abortable. -mr

On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Ken Weaverling wrote:

> It happened to me again, I answered No, when I meant to return to editing
> and lost everything! But this time I stopped to think about why I
> unconsciously repeated this same stupid mistake when I know better.
>
> I am usually in a hurry, and subconsciously saw the word "leaving" right
> next to Y/N and *THAT* word stuck in my mind, therefore since I didn't
> want to "leave" I answered N.
>
> Perhaps it could be reworded as....
>
> Before leaving, would you like to save? (Y/N)
>
> Then the key word "save" is right near where the action is to take place
> and where the eye's focus is, and that is the location of the cursor.
>
> I think I can manage this code change locally :-), but thought I'd toss
> it out for consideration as well...

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From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PINE: delay between send and receipt of mail
To: David Broudy <dbroudy%[email protected]>
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, David Broudy wrote:

>
> PINE here runs on a lightly loaded DS5000/240 under ULTRIX.
> Intermittently, we notice long delays in receiving mail. For example last
> week I sent a short message to the next cubicle at 8:30 am, it arrived as
> new mail at 4:00. Most of our 40 users have access to v3.07, a few of
> us are using 3.87. Can someone give a suggestion on how to
> diagnose/remedy this? Will upgrading to the current version help?
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> + David Broudy, Computer Manager, Ofc Medical Investigator +
> + UNM School of Medicine, Albuquerque, NM 87131-5091 +
> + 505/277-3234,3053 242-7108 [email protected] +
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
Hi David,
I don't think that PINE is the originator of this, I think in
other causes, for example :

- Recipient/Sent system is very busy with other programs.
- Problem of Network (neck of bottle)

Check you "syslog" file for messages "queued" and you can to
reduce this increase the privilege for /usr/lib/sendmail...

Isa.

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From: Laurie Cuthbert <[email protected]>
Subject: something for the wish list ..
To: [email protected]
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At present the mail spool directory on each cluster server is NFS mounted
to the rest of the machines in that group. Everyone's login script runs
the elm "frm" command to list the messages in their inbox on login.

As we move to using an imap-based mail system (with pine and ECS) it
would be nice to have an imap-based version of the "frm" program - a _small_
program that just lists the inbox and exits.

Regards

Laurie Cuthbert

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: something for the wish list ..
To: Laurie Cuthbert <[email protected]>
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Laurie,

Yes, it would be nice to have c-client based frm, filter, biff, xbiff, ...

We will work on them as resources permit, but they would be fairly easy
introductions to c-client programming. If anyone is interested, let us know
and we will reserve it for you :)

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote:

>
> At present the mail spool directory on each cluster server is NFS mounted
> to the rest of the machines in that group. Everyone's login script runs
> the elm "frm" command to list the messages in their inbox on login.
>
> As we move to using an imap-based mail system (with pine and ECS) it
> would be nice to have an imap-based version of the "frm" program - a _small_
> program that just lists the inbox and exits.
>
> Regards
>
> Laurie Cuthbert
>

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From: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
Subject: Deleting and expunging a single message -> core dump
To: PINE INFO <[email protected]>
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Disclaimer: This report may have already appeared on this list; if so,
please accept my apologies.

We are using Pine 3.87 on a Sun SPARC 10/30 running SunOS 4.1.3. I have
found repeatedly, that deleting and expunging a single message from my
inbox, leads to a core dump. The error message is as follows:

Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in
mail_fetchstructure". Exiting pine.
Floating exception (core dumped)

Are others experiencing this? If so, are there plans to rectify this
small problem in Pine 3.88?

Ian.

--
Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA
Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Deleting and expunging a single message -> core dump
To: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
Cc: PINE INFO <[email protected]>
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Ian,

We believe that we have fixed all occurances of the "Bad msgno in
mail_fetchstructure" crash in Pine 3.88, which is *very* close to release.

Thanks for the report!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Ian Lumb wrote:

> Disclaimer: This report may have already appeared on this list; if so,
> please accept my apologies.
>
> We are using Pine 3.87 on a Sun SPARC 10/30 running SunOS 4.1.3. I have
> found repeatedly, that deleting and expunging a single message from my
> inbox, leads to a core dump. The error message is as follows:
>
> Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in
> mail_fetchstructure". Exiting pine.
> Floating exception (core dumped)
>
> Are others experiencing this? If so, are there plans to rectify this
> small problem in Pine 3.88?
>
> Ian.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
> Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
> North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA
> Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817
>
>

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: re: Deleting and expunging a single message -> core dump
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:06:08 -0500, Ian Lumb wrote:
> We are using Pine 3.87 on a Sun SPARC 10/30 running SunOS 4.1.3. I have
> found repeatedly, that deleting and expunging a single message from my
> inbox, leads to a core dump. The error message is as follows:
>
> Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in
> mail_fetchstructure". Exiting pine.
> Floating exception (core dumped)
>
> Are others experiencing this? If so, are there plans to rectify this
> small problem in Pine 3.88?

We believe that this bug is fixed in Pine 3.88

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From: "Paul G. Leo Jr." <[email protected]>
Subject: error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link -- what's it mean?
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Hi --

All of sudden (I know, yeah right!!!) I get the following message when I
start up pine (ultrix v 4.2 pine v 3.87)

error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link

My home directory is on another machine, but it's been that way forever.

what's it mean?

Paul Leo e-mail [email protected]
University of Utah Medical School [email protected]
Eccles Institute of Human Genetics
Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653
Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link -- what's it mean?
To: "Paul G. Leo Jr." <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Paul,

When Pine updates the .pinerc file, it writes a new one then
deletes the old one and renames the new one. It will first attempt to
write the new tempfile in the same directory as the old .pinerc. If that
fails, it will try /usr/tmp then /tmp. Therefore, if the directory your
pinerc is in (usually your home directory) is unwritable for some
reason, you will get the "cross device link" message.

I hope this helps!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Paul G. Leo Jr. wrote:

>
> Hi --
>
> All of sudden (I know, yeah right!!!) I get the following message when I
> start up pine (ultrix v 4.2 pine v 3.87)
>
> error saving ..../.pinerc - cross device link
>
> My home directory is on another machine, but it's been that way forever.
>
> what's it mean?
>
>
> Paul Leo e-mail [email protected]
> University of Utah Medical School [email protected]
> Eccles Institute of Human Genetics
> Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910
>
>

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From: Michael Johnson <[email protected]>
Subject: Saving a message into another folder...
To: [email protected]
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Is there any way I can disable the second confirmation when I save a
message from one folder to another? For example, I move my completed
tasks from my main inbox to a folder called "projects", so I type "s"
from index to save the message, then ^T to get a list of the folders, I
select "projects" and hit return, then it brings up a line that I have to
hit return again on to actually have it save the message. Is there any
way to have it just save the message in the folder and not have to hit
return again?(like it was in 3.05)

Michael Johnson Unix Systems Support
[email protected] Oregon Extension Services
Corvallis Oregon (503) 737-0699 Work

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From: David Langford <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine news index and time zones?
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 20:09:17 -0800 (PST)
Organization: OSU CS Outreach Service, Corvallis OR USA
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Is there any reason that the pine news indexer doesnt convert the
date in news articles to local time zones?

Is it a configuration problem or can pine not deal with time zones?

Thanks,

-David Langford

--
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Langford - Corvallis, OR [email protected] |
| Director of Hardware/Software Affairs |
| Computer Science OutReach Services, Oregon State University |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: Muriel McKay <[email protected]>
Subject: wish list ?
Cc: [email protected]
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-Id: <Pine.3.07.9311241654.C27718-9100000@mcmail>
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I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling .
I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something
has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do
this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs
to be made .

===============================================================================
Muriel McKay,
Analyst, Desktop Computing Support.
CIS. ABB132 ext. 23630

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: wish list ?
To: Muriel McKay <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Muriel,

You can do this very easily by setting the SPELL environment variable
before entering Pine. If you are running csh, the command is

setenv SPELL "spell -b"

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 24 Nov 1993, Muriel McKay wrote:

>
> I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling .
> I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something
> has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do
> this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs
> to be made .
>
>
> ===============================================================================
> Muriel McKay,
> Analyst, Desktop Computing Support.
> CIS. ABB132 ext. 23630
>
>
>

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From: Richard Lee <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: wish list ?
To: Muriel McKay <[email protected]>
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On Wed, 24 Nov 1993, Muriel McKay wrote:

> I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling .
> I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something
> has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do
> this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs
> to be made .

Try adding this to your .profile or .login:

SPELL="spell -b "
export SPELL

That ought to work.
(I'm not an expert on this stuff, so if I'm wrong, just send me
back to my philosophy books.)

--

Dr. Richard Lee [email protected]
Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 [email protected]
University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826
Fayetteville, AR 72701

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Saving a message into another folder...
To: Michael Johnson <[email protected]>
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Michael,

This is a suggestion that has come up a couple times lately. We will put
it on the list of requested enhancements as a feature-list option.

Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Michael Johnson wrote:

> Is there any way I can disable the second confirmation when I save a
> message from one folder to another? For example, I move my completed
> tasks from my main inbox to a folder called "projects", so I type "s"
> from index to save the message, then ^T to get a list of the folders, I
> select "projects" and hit return, then it brings up a line that I have to
> hit return again on to actually have it save the message. Is there any
> way to have it just save the message in the folder and not have to hit
> return again?(like it was in 3.05)
>
> Michael Johnson Unix Systems Support
> [email protected] Oregon Extension Services
> Corvallis Oregon (503) 737-0699 Work
>
>

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From: Michael Seibel <[email protected]>
To: Pine Announcement Distribution <[email protected]>
Subject: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available
X-Owner: [email protected]
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For the most part, Pine 3.88 is a maintenance release that fixes a number
of bugs ranging from the merely annoying to the truly nasty. An overview
of the fix list is included below, and an itemized list can be found in
the distribution's release notes. If this is the first version run since
3.0x, it's probably a good idea to read the release notes to see what's
changed since 3.07 as well.

The distribution is available via ftp from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the
file "mail/pine.tar.Z". PC-Pine can also be retrieved via the "Setup"
command's "Update" option.

As always, many thanks to all who have taken the time to provide valuable
feedback and bug reports. Thanks for the help!

The Pine Team

SUMMARY OF 3.88 CHANGES:

- Fixed: A nasty bug causing Pine to go into an infinite loop if it
received a "Hang Up" signal while in the composer.

- Fixed: At least some (maybe even all!) causes of crashes associated
with the message "Bad msgno in mail_fetchstructure".

- Fixed: Several other bugs leading to Pine crashes.

- Fixed: About 65 other less severe bugs.

- Changed: several MIME encoding rules. Inline text should be encoded
less often, and hardly ever in Base64. (More than 30% of the characters
would need to be 8-bit in order to trigger Base64 encoding.) Also,
all IMAGE types, including TIFF, are now passed to the external viewer,
if one is defined.

- Changed: default folder name for Goto. Now you are never more than
two keystrokes away from your INBOX.

- Changed: Method for moving to next news group. Used to be "D" or "N"
on the last message would prompt for the next newsgroup. Now TAB does
this "magic" function, and it also works in INBOX if you have multiple
Incoming Message Folders defined.

- Changed: the interval for checking new mail has been increased from
0.5 min to 2.5 min in order to reduce Pine's resource use. The
checkpointing algorithm is also smarter about when to checkpoint.

- Changed "(y/n)" prompt string to "(y/n/^C)" to make visible the fact
that the operation can be cancelled via Control-C.

- Added: new prompt in Keyboard Lock to allow confirmation or escape after
entering a password.

- Added: ability to enter control characters as ESCAPE ESCAPE <character>
as a workaround for terminal servers and communication programs that
gobble up certain control characters.

- There are also a few fixes to Pico and IMAPd in this release.

Note to Sequent PTX 1.X users: if you are experiencing performance
problems, make sure you get the new patch from Sequent to make "fsync"
work like all other Unix "fsync"s instead of just doing a "sync" instead!

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Several folks have asked for pre-compiled versions of IMAPd in addition
to Pine and Pico.

This has been done, but as a consequence the /mail directory got awfully
long, so we've moved all of the Unix binaries to /mail/UNIX-BINARIES/
and the PC-Pine .zip files are now in /mail/PC-PINE/

The complete source distribution is still in /mail/pine.tar.Z

-teg

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From: Dave King <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: wish list ?
To: Muriel McKay <[email protected]>
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Muriel, here's a KornShell specific solution.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

typeset -x SPELL='spell -b'

This sets the environment variable and exports it to "child" shells.

If you use the KornShell exclusively on your system and you want to
ensure that the British spelling option is always used you can put:

typeset -x SPELL='spell -b'

In /etc/profile.

Dave

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On Wed, 24 Nov 1993, Muriel McKay wrote:

>
> I'd like a simple way to invoke spell -b to use the British spelling .
> I'm not very technical and we are still on pine 3.07 so perhaps something
> has been done already or is on the cards . Is there a simple way to do
> this already ? I figure the spell.c file in pico is where the change needs
> to be made .
>
>
> ===============================================================================
> Muriel McKay,
> Analyst, Desktop Computing Support.
> CIS. ABB132 ext. 23630
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 09:17:29 -0500
From: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available
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Greetings:-

I just tried to pick up some AIX 3.2 and Sun binaries from

pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/unix-binaries

and

pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/UNIX-BINARIES

but was unable to as permission was denied. I was wondering if you folks
could fix up the permissions on the files in this directory.

Thanks,

Ian.

--
Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA
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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available
To: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
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Ian,
As far as I can tell, the protections are OK, and here is a line from
the transfer log indicating that a successful transfer has occurred:

Thu Nov 25 01:02:21 50 gatekeeper.dec.com 3858030
/mail/UNIX-BINARIES/pine-bin.aix32

Note that the lower-case version of the directory is abbreviated: unix-bin
(It is a symbolic link to UNIX-BINARIES, just as /pine is a symbolic link
to /mail)

Please try it again and let us know what happens...

-teg

On Thu, 25 Nov 1993, Ian Lumb wrote:

> Greetings:-
>
> I just tried to pick up some AIX 3.2 and Sun binaries from
>
> pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/unix-binaries
>
> and
>
> pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/UNIX-BINARIES
>
> but was unable to as permission was denied. I was wondering if you folks
> could fix up the permissions on the files in this directory.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ian.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
> Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
> North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA
> Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 12:28:00 -0500
From: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available
To: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Cc: PINE INFO <[email protected]>
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Major apologies: There seems to have been some problems associated with
the host that I was using for ftp! I have successfully ftp'd several
binaries now. Sorry for the red herring !

Ian.

On Thu, 25 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote:

> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 07:51:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
> To: Ian Lumb <[email protected]>
> Cc: PINE INFO <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.88 now available
>
> Ian,
> As far as I can tell, the protections are OK, and here is a line from
> the transfer log indicating that a successful transfer has occurred:
>
> Thu Nov 25 01:02:21 50 gatekeeper.dec.com 3858030
> /mail/UNIX-BINARIES/pine-bin.aix32
>
> Note that the lower-case version of the directory is abbreviated: unix-bin
> (It is a symbolic link to UNIX-BINARIES, just as /pine is a symbolic link
> to /mail)
>
> Please try it again and let us know what happens...
>
> -teg
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 1993, Ian Lumb wrote:
>
> > Greetings:-
> >
> > I just tried to pick up some AIX 3.2 and Sun binaries from
> >
> > pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/unix-binaries
> >
> > and
> >
> > pine.cac.washington.edu:/pine/UNIX-BINARIES
> >
> > but was unable to as permission was denied. I was wondering if you folks
> > could fix up the permissions on the files in this directory.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
> > Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
> > North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA
> > Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817
> >
> >
> >
>

--
Ian Lumb Internet: <[email protected]>
Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University
North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA
Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817

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From: "K.M. Lovell Information Technology Services ext 4" <[email protected]>
Subject: Can you print multiple messages in one command
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Please can anyone tell me how to print multiple messages easily
e.g to print messages 21 to 35 is there "something" that can do
21-35Y or 21-35L depending on which version of pine is being run,
or "something" like 15Y or 15L which will print 15 consecutive
messages starting at the current message- in this case 21 ?

If there is such a feature can it be used with the save command ?

--------------------------------------------------------------
From: K.M.Lovell , Information Technology Services, University of Dundee,
Park Place , Dundee DD1 4HN , UK
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From: Philip Hazel <[email protected]>
Subject: The Y key
To: [email protected]
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This little niggle has now caught me three or four times, so I thought it
worth reporting.

I had no immediate reservations when you changed the "print" keystroke to
"Y", but I have now discovered why it might have been a bad idea. I am an
"old growth" user, and my fingers get into habits. For example, when I want
to expunge the deleted messages from a folder, I type XY without thinking
and without pausing.

On several occasions recently I have either mistyped, or keystrokes have
got lost, or something, with the effect that a Y keystroke ends up
reaching Pine unexpectedly. On at least two occasions I haven't noticed
what it was prompting for**, or else this keyboard has played its trick of
repeating characters, so that I have actually produced unwanted pieces of
paper.

I'm sure there is nothing you can do about this, but if ever I write a
program that relies on Y/N prompting, I shall make sure there is no command
called Y :-)

This is a small point, however! We appreciate the good work you are doing
on Pine.

Regards,
Philip

** I do find a lot of the prompts non-useful, and habit makes me reply Y to
pretty well anything without thinking. Bad habit, I know, but I suspect a
lot of frequent users act the same. It would be nice to be able to turn
them off selectively. Then I might pay attention when one did appear...

--
Philip Hazel University Computing Service,
[email protected] New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG,
[email protected] England. Phone: +44 223 334714

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
To: Philip Hazel <[email protected]>
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Philip,
For what it's worth:

-In retrospect, I agree that "Y" was a bad choice --one for which I
must take most of the blame.

-You're right, it is probably impossible to change it now, unless there
is a huge groundswell of support for the idea.

-teg

On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Philip Hazel wrote:

> This little niggle has now caught me three or four times, so I thought it
> worth reporting.
>
> I had no immediate reservations when you changed the "print" keystroke to
> "Y", but I have now discovered why it might have been a bad idea. I am an
> "old growth" user, and my fingers get into habits. For example, when I want
> to expunge the deleted messages from a folder, I type XY without thinking
> and without pausing.
>
> On several occasions recently I have either mistyped, or keystrokes have
> got lost, or something, with the effect that a Y keystroke ends up
> reaching Pine unexpectedly. On at least two occasions I haven't noticed
> what it was prompting for**, or else this keyboard has played its trick of
> repeating characters, so that I have actually produced unwanted pieces of
> paper.
>
> I'm sure there is nothing you can do about this, but if ever I write a
> program that relies on Y/N prompting, I shall make sure there is no command
> called Y :-)
>
> This is a small point, however! We appreciate the good work you are doing
> on Pine.
>
> Regards,
> Philip
>
>
> ** I do find a lot of the prompts non-useful, and habit makes me reply Y to
> pretty well anything without thinking. Bad habit, I know, but I suspect a
> lot of frequent users act the same. It would be nice to be able to turn
> them off selectively. Then I might pay attention when one did appear...
>
> --
> Philip Hazel University Computing Service,
> [email protected] New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG,
> [email protected] England. Phone: +44 223 334714
>
>

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Can you print multiple messages in one command
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K.M.,
This is a feature we call "aggregate operations", and it will be coming
to Pine in '94 in the form of the "Apply" command. (It will apply print,
save, and most anything else we can think of, to a selection or range of
messages.)

-teg

On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, K.M. Lovell Information Technology Services ext 4 wrote:

>
> Please can anyone tell me how to print multiple messages easily
> e.g to print messages 21 to 35 is there "something" that can do
> 21-35Y or 21-35L depending on which version of pine is being run,
> or "something" like 15Y or 15L which will print 15 consecutive
> messages starting at the current message- in this case 21 ?
>
> If there is such a feature can it be used with the save command ?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> From: K.M.Lovell , Information Technology Services, University of Dundee,
> Park Place , Dundee DD1 4HN , UK
> Email: [email protected]
> Tel : +44 382 34 4136 Fax : +44 382 28649
>
>
>

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Subject: Is PC-PINE updated, too?

Is PC-PINE upated since 3.85? Should I grap it, too, when I get the
sources for 3.88?

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Can I start a groundswell for it to be changed? :)

David

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Ken,
Yes to both...

-teg

On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Ken Hardy wrote:

> Is PC-PINE upated since 3.85? Should I grap it, too, when I get the
> sources for 3.88?
>
>

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From: Mike Roch <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
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I'd vote for something else. Our users are still on 3.07 but my staff have
commented on the non-intuitive nature of Y (L->laser,lineprinter, etc) and
question the need for a change. Pine has been a roaring succcess here
because of its low-hassle characteristics - changing the method of
performing a key operation is not going to win us any credit.

This change is one of the reasons that we're stalling on releasing 3.8x
until we can redo docs, course notes, etc.

Perhaps ^something; you have ctrl sequences in pico but not in most of the
dialogue screens so you'd be more or less free to choose what you want.

Why use L for folder list and not ^F; people have to use ^P/^N to switch
folder collections.

Mike

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Mike Roch wrote:

> Pine has been a roaring succcess here
> because of its low-hassle characteristics - changing the method of
> performing a key operation is not going to win us any credit.

Mike,
This is exactly why changing it *again* would be so problematic!

> Perhaps ^something; you have ctrl sequences in pico but not in most of the
> dialogue screens so you'd be more or less free to choose what you want.

We've tried *very* hard to limit use of control characters to pico, or
other places where you are at a prompt requiring text input.

Some of the control keys for navigation may also be used as an *alternative*
outside pico, e.g. ^P/^N, ^Y/^V...)

> Why use L for folder list and not ^F; people have to use ^P/^N to switch
> folder collections.

Again, we'd like to avoid *forcing* the use of control keys outside of
text-input situations. (We already get enough flack from those who prefer
modal editors, e.g. vi, and consider it a mistake to use *any* control
characters.)

The theory behind ^P/^N is that they are supposed to be, in all cases,
synonyms for up-arrow and down-arrow. However, I recently noticed that
the arrow keys on my X terminal don't work to select prev/next collection.
That's a bug.

I believe the decsion to change L to list folders was correct; it is a
very important screen and one that we needed to make more pervasively and
easily accessible throughout Pine. But Print is also important, hence the
dilemma.

We will keep considering options; additional feedback on whether to even
consider making yet another key change would be appreciated.

-teg

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Greetings:-

I just expunged a single message, and again have received the following
error message:

Bug in Pine detected: "Bad msgno in mail_fetchstructure".
Exiting pine.
Floating exception (core dumped)

Typing `what core', yields

core:
termcap.c 1.11 88/02/08 SMI
tgoto.c 1.5 88/02/08 SMI
tputs.c 1.5 88/02/08 SMI

BTW, I was using Pine 3.88 that I installed on a Sun SPARC 1+ running
under SunOS 4.1.

Ian.

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From: Dan Schlitt <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
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I agree with those folks who are saying that the choice is a bad one. It
would be a good idea to change it to something better. And I favor
changing it back to L for print.

/dan

Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems
[email protected] City College of New York
(212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031

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From: Paul Ribeiro <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote:
> We will keep considering options; additional feedback on whether to even
> consider making yet another key change would be appreciated.
I understand the dilema you face, however, I think that if a change is
going to be made to the print key it should be done as quickly as possible
before to many people get used to the new assignment. Here we are not
going production 3.88 until January to give people a chance to test
the new software and become accustomed to the keys. There has been a
lot of praise (well deserved) and only one complaint..you guessed it,
people accidentally printing files because the status messages now
have a delay so that most people "type ahead" :-)
/P

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From: "Darryl Friesen (4758)" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Dan Schlitt wrote:

> I agree with those folks who are saying that the choice is a bad one. It
> would be a good idea to change it to something better. And I favor
> changing it back to L for print.
^ ^^^^^

But L for Print is just as unintuitive as Y for Print. I think the user
will get used to either (just as I have become used to Y).

I think the BEST choice (the most intuitive at least) would, of course,
be P for Print. However, with N for Next Msg, P for Previous Msg seems
a better choice.

It's cliche, but "you can't please everyone". I certainly don't envy
you Pine developers. [maybe we need a new alphabet with more letters :)
or we should all learn a different language, where ther are less
abiquities between things like Print, Previous, List, LinePrinter etc :) ]

> /dan
>
> Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems
> [email protected] City College of New York
> (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031

- Darryl

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From: Ian Dunkin <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Y key
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I too encounter the `accidental' XY problem, typing ahead in an
attempt to expunge and confirm the expunging, when not in Index mode.

But this isn't a problem with Y being print; just that, for some reason,
X doesn't work in Index mode; for example, when having just read and
deleted a message. (Could it not?)

I.

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From: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Dan Schlitt wrote:
>
> > I agree with those folks who are saying that the choice is a bad one. It
> > would be a good idea to change it to something better. And I favor
> > changing it back to L for print.
> ^ ^^^^^
>
> But L for Print is just as unintuitive as Y for Print. I think the user
> will get used to either (just as I have become used to Y).
>
> I think the BEST choice (the most intuitive at least) would, of course,
> be P for Print. However, with N for Next Msg, P for Previous Msg seems
> a better choice.
>
> It's cliche, but "you can't please everyone". I certainly don't envy
> you Pine developers. [maybe we need a new alphabet with more letters :)
> or we should all learn a different language, where ther are less
> abiquities between things like Print, Previous, List, LinePrinter etc :) ]
>

I'm afraid that I'm going to have to agree with this one. Yes, "Y" is
not very intuitive for print. However, I have found that being able to
navigate through my folders to be much more important. I like very much
the inclusion of the "L" command. I'm also not very worried about our
users being confused by it, particularly considering that the handy menu
is right at the bottom of their screen. As long as the menu is there, I
don't see it likely to be an issue, at least not here.

Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060

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Hi
Has anyone had any success with 3.88 on an SGI running Irix 5.X

The _tzname in os_sgi.c (or was it os_dep) seems to need changing to
tzname and <time.h> rather than <sys/time.h> to get it to compile.
However although pico builds pine coredumps as soon as it is started up
leaving the terminal without a carriage return (just echoes ^M).
Anyone know what I could do to either fix pine or reset the terminal as I
have to login from another line in order to kill the old one at present.

It builds ok under 4.05 and on a HP running 9.01 and I have not found any
bugs yet.

Thanks
Neil

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From: Mike Roch <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:
> navigate through my folders to be much more important. I like very much
Changing the command key won't prevent this.

> the inclusion of the "L" command. I'm also not very worried about our
> users being confused by it, particularly considering that the handy menu
> is right at the bottom of their screen. As long as the menu is there, I
Funny, neither prynt nor save are right there on my screen. Luckily I'm not
a novice [you know, the guys Pine was designed for] so I guess I could track
them down in order to discover why the L command I've used for 18 months
now "makes my mail messages disappear" etc.

Mike

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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Darryl Friesen (4758) wrote:

> But L for Print is just as unintuitive as Y for Print. I think the user
> will get used to either (just as I have become used to Y).
>
Not quite, as you point out further on :-
> or we should all learn a different language, where ther are less
> abiquities between things like Print, Previous, List, LinePrinter etc :) ]
^^^^^^^^^^^
<---------- Y free zone ------------>

More importantly, people have already absorbed the earlier key. People,
especially novices, don't like systems to change under their feet.

I was very happy with G for "Goto folders"; putting G onto the Main Menu
in place of F would have produced the consistency sought without
introducing the Y problems.

Mike

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From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
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Unfortunately, there seem to be multiple, incompatible versions of SGI.

Try replacing the IMAP toolkit (the entire imap/ subtree) in the Pine
distribution with the latest experimental version from mail/imap-3.2.tar.Z (on
ftp.cac.washington.edu) and see if that builds/work any better.

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From: Pekka Kytolaakso <[email protected]>

> > We will keep considering options; additional feedback on whether to ev=
en
> > consider making yet another key change would be appreciated.

> I understand the dilema you face, however, I think that if a change is
> going to be made to the print key it should be done as quickly as possib=
le
> before to many people get used to the new assignment. Here we are not
> going production 3.88 until January to give people a chance to test
> the new software and become accustomed to the keys. There has been a
> lot of praise (well deserved) and only one complaint..you guessed it,
> people accidentally printing files because the status messages now
> have a delay so that most people "type ahead" :-)
> /P

I also think that L is better as 'print-screen' than Y. We also are still
running 3.07. I have several people locally trying out 3.8x and have had
several complaints about changing print.

Pekka Kyt=F6laakso
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From: Laurie Cuthbert <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: something for the wish list ..
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David

As we have a need for a c-client based frm, we'll do it. At least, Andy
Martin ([email protected]) will do it (I approve of delegation!).

It seems fairly straightforward, the only bit I think we need to be
careful about is to ensure it does not seize the lock - if someone has
pine open in one window and then opens a second we don't want them to
lose the lock from the first just becuase of a second login.

Regards

Laurie

On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

> Yes, it would be nice to have c-client based frm, filter, biff, xbiff, ...
>
> We will work on them as resources permit, but they would be fairly easy
> introductions to c-client programming. If anyone is interested, let us know
> and we will reserve it for you :)
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote:
>
> >
> > At present the mail spool directory on each cluster server is NFS mounted
> > to the rest of the machines in that group. Everyone's login script runs
> > the elm "frm" command to list the messages in their inbox on login.
> >
> > As we move to using an imap-based mail system (with pine and ECS) it
> > would be nice to have an imap-based version of the "frm" program - a _small_
> > program that just lists the inbox and exits.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Laurie Cuthbert
> >
>

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When typing a local name on an outgoing message, pine sensibly
addes the domain name

But when it received a message stamped with a local name only, it adds
the HOST name, not the domain name. e.g.:

From: Laurie Cuthbert <laurie@osprey>

I can't see any obvious way to change this.

Obviously, if all MUAs generated properly qualified names, this would not
be a problem, but they don't!

Regards

Laurie Cuthbert

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On Sun, 28 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote:
> As we have a need for a c-client based frm, we'll do it. At least, Andy
> Martin ([email protected]) will do it (I approve of delegation!).

Great!

> It seems fairly straightforward, the only bit I think we need to be
> careful about is to ensure it does not seize the lock - if someone has
> pine open in one window and then opens a second we don't want them to
> lose the lock from the first just becuase of a second login.

The thing to be sure of is that you set the OP_READONLY flag in the
mail_open() call in your frm clone program. If you do this, it will
never grab the lock away from Pine.

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From: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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Laurie,
I'm not 100% sure I understand which scenario you are describing, so
the following may be both old news and irrelevant, but just in case: if
you set "user-domain=qmw.ac.uk" in your .pinerc, that should control what
goes in the From: line, (and in cases of unqualified destinations, the To:
line), regardless of what the host thinks its name is.

But if Pine sees an "@" in an outgoing address, it will not touch it.

-teg

On Sun, 28 Nov 1993, Laurie Cuthbert wrote:

>
> When typing a local name on an outgoing message, pine sensibly
> addes the domain name
>
> But when it received a message stamped with a local name only, it adds
> the HOST name, not the domain name. e.g.:
>
> From: Laurie Cuthbert <laurie@osprey>
>
> I can't see any obvious way to change this.
>
> Obviously, if all MUAs generated properly qualified names, this would not
> be a problem, but they don't!
>
> Regards
>
> Laurie Cuthbert
>
>

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From: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
To: Terry Gray <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote:

> Philip,
> For what it's worth:
>
> -In retrospect, I agree that "Y" was a bad choice --one for which I
> must take most of the blame.
>
> -You're right, it is probably impossible to change it now, unless there
> is a huge groundswell of support for the idea.

I wouldn't mind making such a change...Perhaps SHIFT-something...like >
(SHIFT-.) and sorta like redirecting output or something...Just a
suggestion...

>
> -teg
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Philip Hazel wrote:
>
> > This little niggle has now caught me three or four times, so I thought it
> > worth reporting.
> >
> > I had no immediate reservations when you changed the "print" keystroke to
> > "Y", but I have now discovered why it might have been a bad idea. I am an
> > "old growth" user, and my fingers get into habits. For example, when I want
> > to expunge the deleted messages from a folder, I type XY without thinking
> > and without pausing.
> >
> > On several occasions recently I have either mistyped, or keystrokes have
> > got lost, or something, with the effect that a Y keystroke ends up
> > reaching Pine unexpectedly. On at least two occasions I haven't noticed
> > what it was prompting for**, or else this keyboard has played its trick of
> > repeating characters, so that I have actually produced unwanted pieces of
> > paper.
> >
> > I'm sure there is nothing you can do about this, but if ever I write a
> > program that relies on Y/N prompting, I shall make sure there is no command
> > called Y :-)
> >
> > This is a small point, however! We appreciate the good work you are doing
> > on Pine.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Philip
> >
> >
> > ** I do find a lot of the prompts non-useful, and habit makes me reply Y to
> > pretty well anything without thinking. Bad habit, I know, but I suspect a
> > lot of frequent users act the same. It would be nice to be able to turn
> > them off selectively. Then I might pay attention when one did appear...
> >
> > --
> > Philip Hazel University Computing Service,
> > [email protected] New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG,
> > [email protected] England. Phone: +44 223 334714
> >
> >
>

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Terry

Sorry if I haven't explained myself clearly. I appreciate pine will only
qualify names without the "@" - and using the "user-domain=" configuration it
correctly adds the domain to unqualified destinations and the From: line.

However, not everyone in the dept uses pine and some mailers just send mail
with the To: and From: lines set to a user name with no "@". When pine reads
these it adds @HOSTNAME, not @DOMAINNAME.

i.e. within the dept the domain is elec.qmw.ac.uk (it gets massaged by the
site PP mailer on the way out) - if someone sends mail to me with /ucb/mail
(or even Eudora) the To: line is just set to "laurie" and the From: line to
"their_username". When pine reads the mail it changes this to
To: laurie@osprey and From: their_username@osprey - it would better if it was
to add something to add the domain name.

Regards

Laurie

On Sun, 28 Nov 1993 13:46:19 -0800 (PST) Terry Gray wrote:

>
> Laurie,
> I'm not 100% sure I understand which scenario you are describing, so
> the following may be both old news and irrelevant, but just in case: if
> you set "user-domain=qmw.ac.uk" in your .pinerc, that should control what
> goes in the From: line, (and in cases of unqualified destinations, the To:
> line), regardless of what the host thinks its name is.
>
> But if Pine sees an "@" in an outgoing address, it will not touch it.
>
> -teg
>

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My first attempt to use PC-PINE version 3.88 showed a serious bug, and I
have now reverted to 3.87.
I am sending this to Pine-bugs as a bug report, and to Pine-info to ask
(in a tone of surprise) whether other users have seen this effect, or
whether they have not yet tried.
I am using the packet-driver version from pcpine_p.zip

On entering Pine I try I to see my INBOX, which is OK, and then G to look
at another folder (outbox as it happens); PINE puts
Opening ""
in the information line.
Not suprisingly, it does not find that folder, says
No Folder, trying to get mailbox lock from process nnnnn, waits a bit
(for the lock I suppose) and then says
Folder "" opened with N messages (and it is actually the INBOX)

In the process of doing this, it also lost all my D flags.
I have backed off to 387!

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From: David Broudy <dbroudy%[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key being a bad idea for print
To: "D.K.Brownlee" <[email protected]>
Cc: Pine-Info Maillist <[email protected]>
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add one vote to the groundswell.

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On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, D.K.Brownlee wrote:

>
> Can I start a groundswell for it to be changed? :)
>
> David
>
> [email protected]. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster.
> <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._>
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From: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
To: "Jason R. Thorpe" <[email protected]>
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On Sun, 28 Nov 1993, Jason R. Thorpe wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Terry Gray wrote:
>
> > Philip,
> > For what it's worth:
> >
> > -In retrospect, I agree that "Y" was a bad choice --one for which I
> > must take most of the blame.
> >
> > -You're right, it is probably impossible to change it now, unless there
> > is a huge groundswell of support for the idea.
>
> I wouldn't mind making such a change...Perhaps SHIFT-something...like >
> (SHIFT-.) and sorta like redirecting output or something...Just a
> suggestion...

A thought has come to mind on this matter.

Perhaps the pine team provided ListFldrs as a means to get to the folders
without having to use a control sequence, such as is necessary with Goto.
If so, perhaps the Goto command could be slightly modified. Instead of
immediately asking for a folder name, maybe provide a small menu that had
"regular" keys, such as "L" to ListFldrs. To actually make a selection,
the "S" key (for Specify) would have to be pressed, though it could be the
default. So, to get to the INBOX, one could press "G" for Goto, then
press RETURN twice instead of once. It would add steps to the Goto
process, but it might mean that "L" could be used for Print as before.

Pressing "G" for Goto could produce the following menu:

GOTO command:
? Help P PrevFldr L ListFldrs E ExitGoto
N NextFldr S [Specify]

Then pressing "S" or RETURN could yield:

GOTO folder in <Incoming Message Fol> [INBOX] :
^G Help ^C Cancel
RETURN Enter TAB Complete

Now, would the extra steps really be worth it???? While I like the
convenience of having both the "G" and "L" commands as they are currently
arranged, I can see that having both is almost redundant.

Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060

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There isn't one at the moment, but [return] -> scroll-up-one-line
was very useful in 3.0x. It allowed a message to be scrolled line-by-line
so that blocks of text could be copied/pasted between windows. In 3.8x we
have to scroll a screenful up or down - less useful. I know you've run
out of menu space, having this undocumented wouldn't be _so_ bad would it?

Mike

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Default command in Message Viewer
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Mike,

Cursor up/down should scroll the message a line at a time...

--DLM

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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Mike Roch wrote:

> There isn't one at the moment, but [return] -> scroll-up-one-line
> was very useful in 3.0x. It allowed a message to be scrolled line-by-line
> so that blocks of text could be copied/pasted between windows. In 3.8x we
> have to scroll a screenful up or down - less useful. I know you've run
> out of menu space, having this undocumented wouldn't be _so_ bad would it?
>
>
> Mike
>
> ==============================================================================
> Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430
> The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094
>
>

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Subject: PC-PINE.README
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On ftp.cac.washington.edu, The readme file listed as a link from
/mail/PC-PINE/README to /mail/PC-PINE/PC-Pine.README does not seem to exist.
I heard about the directory-shuffling, so I thought I'd let you know
y'all missed something;-)

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From: "Lisa M. Frye" <[email protected]>
Subject: Sending mail from a non-user
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I have a need to allow one of the users to send e-mail from an
organization. If the user's logon is smith and the organization is org, I
want to be able to have the from line read
From: The Organization <[email protected]>.
I can have it read from "The Organization" but the from address is the
user's logon (<[email protected]>). I do not want to create a user
for the organization (we do not give "generic" accounts)y. Is there a way to
do what I want?

Lisa Frye 683-4474
Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
Kutztown University [email protected]
Kutztown, PA. 19530

"You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Sending mail from a non-user
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Lisa,

In the near future we will be adding support for a changeable Reply-To:
header. Will that take care of the problem for you?

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Lisa M. Frye wrote:

>
> I have a need to allow one of the users to send e-mail from an
> organization. If the user's logon is smith and the organization is org, I
> want to be able to have the from line read
> From: The Organization <[email protected]>.
> I can have it read from "The Organization" but the from address is the
> user's logon (<[email protected]>). I do not want to create a user
> for the organization (we do not give "generic" accounts)y. Is there a way to
> do what I want?
>
>
>
> Lisa Frye 683-4474
> Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105
> Kutztown University [email protected]
> Kutztown, PA. 19530
>
> "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think."
>
>

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From: Mike Roch <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Mike Roch <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: The Y key
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

> Pressing "G" for Goto could produce the following menu:
> > GOTO command:
> ? Help P PrevFldr L ListFldrs E ExitGoto
> N NextFldr S [Specify]
> Then pressing "S" or RETURN could yield:
> > GOTO folder in <Incoming Message Fol> [INBOX] :
> ^G Help ^C Cancel
> RETURN Enter TAB Complete
>
> Now, would the extra steps really be worth it???? While I like the
> convenience of having both the "G" and "L" commands as they are currently
> arranged, I can see that having both is almost redundant.

I think that last is the key point. From the Message Index or Message Text
viewer, L[Enter] and G^T get you to a functionally similar place. If G
replaced the new L, I think you'd get better continuity from 3.0x and lose
very little functionality, especially if a "C Collection-list" (taking you
to the current "FOLDER LIST" screen) was added to the "GOTO:SELECT
FOLDER" screen that G^T gives you.

L as used in 3.8x contributes little (Listing folders when you don't want
to Goto one of them??) and has displaced a command used by lots of novices
all the time (printing's very important to them, _they_ often feel safer
with hard copy).

Mike

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From: Barry Landy <[email protected]>
Subject: Redefining G (was "The Y key")
To: "Amos A. Gouaux" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Amos A. Gouaux wrote:

>
> Pressing "G" for Goto could produce the following menu:
>
> GOTO command:
> ? Help P PrevFldr L ListFldrs E ExitGoto
> N NextFldr S [Specify]
>
> Then pressing "S" or RETURN could yield:
>
> GOTO folder in <Incoming Message Fol> [INBOX] :
> ^G Help ^C Cancel
> RETURN Enter TAB Complete
>
> Now, would the extra steps really be worth it???? While I like the
> convenience of having both the "G" and "L" commands as they are currently
> arranged, I can see that having both is almost redundant.
>
> Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services [email protected]
> UNIX and CUTCP University of North Texas 817/565-4898
> Systems Support PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060
>
>

Irrespective of the goodness or otherwise of Y for print, I think this is
a disastrous idea; the current behaviour of G is very ergonomic; adding
an extra step in the sequence for getting between folders would be horrific!

In my view, for people who use folders seriously, GOTO is a fairly
frequent activity; I do not believe (and for the sake of the trees I hope
I'm right!) that people print half so often. Possibly a number of
relatively rare commands could be bundled together under "X" for eXtras,
with a subselection menu (in the same way as System has been done).

=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email protected] 0223-334713 +44-223-334713

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Another pine problem reported... Can you help this user?
To: Jonathan Neher <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]
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Jon,

A few causes of such crashes have been fixed in Pine 3.88. If this
problem still persists, could you please send us a stack trace from the
core file, the users .pinerc, and any information on how to duplicate the
problem?

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 22 Nov 1993, Jonathan Neher wrote:

> I haven't heard of this from anyone else. I haven't been able to
> duplicate it either. I looked at the pkangas .pinerc and see nothing
> unusual. Anyone seen this before with pine 3.87 on a Sun machines
> running SunOS 4.1.3? Please respond via e-mail.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
>
> > >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 11:18:23 -0800 (PST)
> > >From: Pertti Olavi Kangas <[email protected]>
> > >Subject: Problems with pine ??
> > >To: Joe St Sauver <[email protected]>
> > >Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> > >MIME-Version: 1.0
> > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> > >Status: R
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >this is what happened several times when I tried to send mail:
> > >
> > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
> > > Exiting pine.
> > > Arithmetic exception (core dumped)
> > > 2% exit
> > >
> > >- could you please explain?
> > > Thanks, Pertti
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:06:08 -0800
From: Rich Haller <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Pine program?
Cc: Evgeni Stupko <[email protected]>
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Dear pine-info. Can you help Evgeni out? Here are his questions.

-Rich Haller

> Dear Rich, you mentioned a "pine" program for UNIX
> computers. What you told me about it sounds very
> interesting to us. Can it be run under ISC UNIX or SCO?
..
> And where can we get it? Is it possible to get it in
> source codes, so that we could make a russian
> modification of it?
> We don't have yet TCP/IP connectivity, alas. So, is pine
> program available from any UUCP site?

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine program?
To: Rich Haller <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], Evgeni Stupko <[email protected]>
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Rich and Evengi,

We do not currently have complete support for either ISC or SCO in the
Pine distribution. A few people have reported success getting it to
work, but I have not seen any patches yet. We only distribute the source
via our anonymous ftp site, ftp.cac.washington.edu, but I believe that
UUNET maintains an automatic mirror of our distribution. The current
version is Pine3.88.

Thanks for your interest!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Rich Haller wrote:

> Dear pine-info. Can you help Evgeni out? Here are his questions.
>
> -Rich Haller
>
> > Dear Rich, you mentioned a "pine" program for UNIX
> > computers. What you told me about it sounds very
> > interesting to us. Can it be run under ISC UNIX or SCO?
> ...
> > And where can we get it? Is it possible to get it in
> > source codes, so that we could make a russian
> > modification of it?
> > We don't have yet TCP/IP connectivity, alas. So, is pine
> > program available from any UUCP site?
>

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:00:46 -0800 (PST)
From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: entering characters such as ^L in pico?
To: Erik Lawaetz <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Erik,

Sorry about taking so long to reply. This capability is now on our
Requested Enhancements List.

Thanks for the suggestion!

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Thu, 4 Nov 1993, Erik Lawaetz wrote:

> Any way, perhaps in future versions, to enter control characters like ^L
> and other key combinations used by pico in the text being edited, like
> emacs' ^Q escape? Had a user recently who wanted to add some ^Ls for form
> feed in a text.
>
> --Erik
>
> #include <disclaimer.h>
> Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
> A: None; they just declare darkness to be the standard.
>

From [email protected] Mon Nov 29 18:09:38 1993
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:47:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Timothy F. Lee" <[email protected]>
Subject: Postponing files...
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Pine people,

In later versions of Pine, will there be an option to postpone
several e-mail messages... or the option to save currently composing mail
as an external file, with the option to read it back in at a later time
to continue?

-------------------------------------
Timothy F. Lee
ACC Lab Assistant, Client Services
University of Washington
E-mail: [email protected]
[email protected]
Consulting: (206)543-5227

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Subject: searching text
To: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:00:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
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Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files.
I understand that "w" will search the subject lines.

thanks.

Steve

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From: "J.J.Bailey" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pine program?
To: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Cc: Rich Haller <[email protected]>, [email protected],
Evgeni Stupko <[email protected]>
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Regarding ISC, I have sent patches in (to [email protected]) for
versions 3.87 and 3.88. The bulk of the work is the inclusion of
nonexistent files for ISC, with the remainder being minor changes to the
distribution. I regret to say that I am still finding bugs on this
platform.

J.J.Bailey
Consultant
[email protected]

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:

>
> Rich and Evengi,
>
> We do not currently have complete support for either ISC or SCO in the
> Pine distribution. A few people have reported success getting it to
> work, but I have not seen any patches yet. We only distribute the source
> via our anonymous ftp site, ftp.cac.washington.edu, but I believe that
> UUNET maintains an automatic mirror of our distribution. The current
> version is Pine3.88.
>
> Thanks for your interest!
>
> --DLM
>
> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Rich Haller wrote:
>
> > Dear pine-info. Can you help Evgeni out? Here are his questions.
> >
> > -Rich Haller
> >
> > > Dear Rich, you mentioned a "pine" program for UNIX
> > > computers. What you told me about it sounds very
> > > interesting to us. Can it be run under ISC UNIX or SCO?
> > ...
> > > And where can we get it? Is it possible to get it in
> > > source codes, so that we could make a russian
> > > modification of it?
> > > We don't have yet TCP/IP connectivity, alas. So, is pine
> > > program available from any UUCP site?
> >
>

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From: "J.J.Bailey" <[email protected]>
Subject: redraw_printer_select() in two source files
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I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking
through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select().
They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary?

J.J.Bailey
Consultant
[email protected]

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From: Michael Seibel <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: redraw_printer_select() in two source files
To: "J.J.Bailey" <[email protected]>
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Good catch! The select_printer() and redraw_printer_select() in
pine/other.c are indeed redundant, unused and superfluous.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! One has to wonder how it
slipped by us for this long...

-mikes

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, J.J.Bailey wrote:

> I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking
> through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select().
> They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary?
>
> J.J.Bailey
> Consultant
> [email protected]

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Subject: Re: redraw_printer_select() in two source files
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Nov 93 23:01:47 MET."
<[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 08:49:34 MET
From: Jos Vos <[email protected]>

> > I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking
> > through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select().
> > They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary?

> Good catch! The select_printer() and redraw_printer_select() in
> pine/other.c are indeed redundant, unused and superfluous.

Please note that the contents of these routines in pine/other.c
are better than those of pine/pine.c: in the other.c version the
System V-specific LPDEST and lp things are mentioned, while in
the pine.c version only BSD's PRINTER and lpr is listed.

I alread posted a patch for this to this mailing list months ago:

To: Pine Info <[email protected]>
Subject: Patch for Printer setup screen
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 17:32:42 MET
From: Jos Vos <[email protected]>

In the file other.c and pine.c two functionally equivalent (static)
functions redraw_printer_select() exist.
The text included in other.c was more generic (it contained also references
to "lp" and "LPDEST", thus being more appropriate for System V systems).

So I made the following patch to make the text in pine.c equal to
that in other.c.

Please include this patch in the next official release.

------CUT HERE-----
*** pine/pine.c.orig Tue Oct 12 16:48:52 1993
--- pine/pine.c Wed Oct 20 10:26:50 1993
***************
*** 1430,1437 ****
rc = set_variable(V_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND, custom_command);
}
if(rc == 0)
! q_status_message1(0,1,3, "Printer set to \"%s\"; configuration saved",
! ps_global->VAR_PRINTER);
}
}

--- 1430,1438 ----
rc = set_variable(V_PERSONAL_PRINT_COMMAND, custom_command);
}
if(rc == 0)
! q_status_message1(0, 1, 3,
! "Printer set to \"%s\"; configuration saved",
! ps_global->VAR_PRINTER);
}
}

***************
*** 1468,1475 ****
l++;
PutLine0(l++, 3, "2. Standard UNIX print command");
PutLine0(l++,6,
! "Using this option may require setting your \"PRINTER\" environment");
! PutLine0(l++, 6, "variable using the standard UNIX utilities.");
PutLine0(l, 10 , "Command: ");
if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL &&
strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER) == 0) {
--- 1469,1477 ----
l++;
PutLine0(l++, 3, "2. Standard UNIX print command");
PutLine0(l++,6,
! "Using this option may require setting your \"PRINTER\" or \"LPDEST\"");
! PutLine0(l++, 6,
! "environment variable using the standard UNIX utilities.");
PutLine0(l, 10 , "Command: ");
if(ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER != NULL &&
strcmp(ps_global->VAR_PRINTER, ps_global->VAR_STANDARD_PRINTER) == 0) {
***************
*** 1488,1498 ****
PutLine0(l++, 6,
"The text to be printed will be piped into the command given here. Some");
PutLine0(l++, 6,
! "examples are: \"prt\", \"lpr\", or \"enscript\". The command may be given");
PutLine0(l++, 6,
"with options, for example \"enscript -2 -r\" or \"lpr -Plpacc170\". The");
PutLine0(l++, 6,
! "commands and options on your system may be different these examples.");
PutLine0(l, 10, "Command: ");
if(!matched_printer)
StartInverse();
--- 1490,1500 ----
PutLine0(l++, 6,
"The text to be printed will be piped into the command given here. Some");
PutLine0(l++, 6,
! "examples are: \"prt\", \"lpr\", \"lp\", or \"enscript\". The command may be given");
PutLine0(l++, 6,
"with options, for example \"enscript -2 -r\" or \"lpr -Plpacc170\". The");
PutLine0(l++, 6,
! "commands and options on your system may be different from these examples.");
PutLine0(l, 10, "Command: ");
if(!matched_printer)
StartInverse();
------CUT HERE-----

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-- Jos Vos <[email protected]> (UUCP: ...!{uunet,mcsun,sun4nl}!nlbull!jos)
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Please, change as little as possible. We're producing documentation in
our national language so we rely on things being as stable as possible.

--Erik

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From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." <[email protected]>
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Hi Dear List,
I have got a question that is not for PINE really, I want to know
how (and why) the system generate the locked's files???...
In the past, I have got some problems with it....

Thank's in advance...

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From: Elaine Lolos <[email protected]>
Subject: Expanding distrib. lists
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I have just begun to use/learn Pine and support it on our systems here.
We have v3.07 running on a Convex, and I have recently installed v3.88
on a DECstation running Ultrix to check it out.

I have a question about distribution lists. When you send a message to
a distribution list created in Pine, the received message shows all the
members of the list, instead of just the list name. Is this something
that can be modified within Pine, or can you address the message in
a particular way to prevent this from happening? Or is this just a
Unix/sendmail-ism?

Thank you!

Elaine Lolos
Academic Computer Services
Tufts University
Medford, MA

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Postponing files...
To: "Timothy F. Lee" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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Timothy,

Multiple postponed messages is on the Requested Enhancements List.

Thanks for the suggestion!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Timothy F. Lee wrote:

>
> Pine people,
>
> In later versions of Pine, will there be an option to postpone
> several e-mail messages... or the option to save currently composing mail
> as an external file, with the option to read it back in at a later time
> to continue?
>
> -------------------------------------
> Timothy F. Lee
> ACC Lab Assistant, Client Services
> University of Washington
> E-mail: [email protected]
> [email protected]
> Consulting: (206)543-5227
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Expanding distrib. lists
To: Elaine Lolos <[email protected]>
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Elaine,

If you put the list address on the "Bcc:" line instead of the "To:" or
"Cc:" the recipients will not see the addresses. To make this header
visible, press ^R while editing the headers.

I hope this helps!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Elaine Lolos wrote:

> I have just begun to use/learn Pine and support it on our systems here.
> We have v3.07 running on a Convex, and I have recently installed v3.88
> on a DECstation running Ultrix to check it out.
>
> I have a question about distribution lists. When you send a message to
> a distribution list created in Pine, the received message shows all the
> members of the list, instead of just the list name. Is this something
> that can be modified within Pine, or can you address the message in
> a particular way to prevent this from happening? Or is this just a
> Unix/sendmail-ism?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Elaine Lolos
> Academic Computer Services
> Tufts University
> Medford, MA
>
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: searching text
To: "Steven E. Frazier" <[email protected]>
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Steve,

Not yet. This is something that may well happen as the underlying tools
become available in c-client and IMAP. "w" will search the text of the index
line, including date, sender, size, etc.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:

> Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files.
> I understand that "w" will search the subject lines.
>
>
> thanks.
>
> Steve
>
>
> --
> Norstan Communications, Inc. | Steven E. Frazier
> 8101 N. High Street Suite 100 |---------------------------------------
> Columbus, OH 43235 | Local : sfrazier
> Voice 614-785-7335 Fax 614-785-7367 | Remote: [email protected]

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 07:55:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
Subject: re: Mail Lock...
To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." <[email protected]>
Cc: The PINE List <[email protected]>
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On Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:09:49 -0600 (CST), Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote:
> I have got a question that is not for PINE really, I want to know
> how (and why) the system generate the locked's files???...
> In the past, I have got some problems with it....

I am not sure what you mean, but perhaps this information will help:

Locks are used by Pine and other mail programs to prevent damage from
occurring to the mail file when multiple programs try to write to the file at
the same time.

Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX,
Pine implements all of them. The result is a lot of complexity.

There are several reasons why locking needs to be done:

1) If you want to read the mail file, you want to make sure that no other
process will modify the mail file while you are reading it.

2) If you want to write to the mail file, you want to make sure that no other
process is accessing the mail file while you are writing it.

3) If you have the mail file open, you want to make sure that no other process
can alter any of the internal contents of the mail file that you have read,
but it is OK if another process appends new data to the mail file.

4) If you want to alter any of the internal contents of the mail file, you
want to make sure that no other process has the mail file open.

There are several mechanisms of locking:

a) The creation of a file which has the same name as the mail file, but with
a suffix of ".lock" (for example, this lock for /usr/spool/mail/isma is
named /usr/spool/mail/isma.lock). This file accomplishes locks (1) and (2)
above. This is an exclusive lock.
b) The use of an flock() with LOCK_SH on the mail file. This accomplishes
lock (1), and prevents lock (2). Multiple processes can do this.
c) The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on the mail file. This accomplishes
lock (2), and prevents lock (1). This is an exclusive lock.
d) The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on a file on /tmp. The file name used
depends upon the version of Pine. This accomplishes locks (3) and (4).
This is an exclusive lock.

On SVR4-based systems, the lockf() subroutine or fcntl() system call it used
instead of flock(). It is rumored that this creates a kind of lock file as
well, but this has not been directly verified.

Regards,

-- Mark --

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From: "J.J.Bailey" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: redraw_printer_select() in two source files
To: Jos Vos <[email protected]>
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> > > I have been asked to add a printer type to pine. While looking
> > > through the code, I found 2 instances of redraw_printer_select().
> > > They appear to be essentially the same. Are they both necessary?
>
> > Good catch! The select_printer() and redraw_printer_select() in
> > pine/other.c are indeed redundant, unused and superfluous.
>
> Please note that the contents of these routines in pine/other.c
> are better than those of pine/pine.c: in the other.c version the
> System V-specific LPDEST and lp things are mentioned, while in
> the pine.c version only BSD's PRINTER and lpr is listed.
>
...
>
> So I made the following patch to make the text in pine.c equal to
> that in other.c.
>

The fix I had in mind was to remove the redundancy, i.e. remove the
function from pine/pine.c, and change the other function from static to
global.

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Hi! ,

I got one problem here. I think it is a bug.

I tried to attach a text file with email to my friends who don't use
pine. However, they couldn't read the text file if they used mail to
read the email. Is there any way to correct it?

Thanks for any suggestion!

`~~~~~~
@(0-0)
---------oOO----^---OOo-------

^.^ Henry.........
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From: Mike Ramey <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: searching text
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David - Does 'w' search the part of the index line which does not fit on
the screen? -mr

On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:
> Not yet. This is something that may well happen as the underlying tools
> become available in c-client and IMAP. "w" will search the text of the index
> line, including date, sender, size, etc.
>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:
> > Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files.
> > I understand that "w" will search the subject lines.

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From: allan lummus <[email protected]>
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Subject: pine newsreader
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How do I post or respond using the newsreader on Pine?

For example to alt.baseball.st-louis.cardinals

what do I write at the to: prompt?

al
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: searching text
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No, not currently :(

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Mike Ramey wrote:

> David - Does 'w' search the part of the index line which does not fit on
> the screen? -mr
>
> On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, David L Miller wrote:
> > Not yet. This is something that may well happen as the underlying tools
> > become available in c-client and IMAP. "w" will search the text of the index
> > line, including date, sender, size, etc.
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, Steven E. Frazier wrote:
> > > Is there anyway to use "w" to search the actual text in the email files.
> > > I understand that "w" will search the subject lines.
>

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Funny text file??
To: Henry Kuo <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
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This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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Henry,

This is a common question. We believe that an *attachment* should be
guaranteed to arrive intact. The only way to do that is to use BASE64
encoding which comes across as gibberish to non-MIME mail readers. If
you want to send a text file to people who do not have MIME capable mail
readers, use ^R to include it in the body of the message.

Sorry about the inconvenience!

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Henry Kuo wrote:

> Hi! ,
>
> I got one problem here. I think it is a bug.
>
> I tried to attach a text file with email to my friends who don't use
> pine. However, they couldn't read the text file if they used mail to
> read the email. Is there any way to correct it?
>
> Thanks for any suggestion!
>
>
> `~~~~~~
> @(0-0)
> ---------oOO----^---OOo-------
>
> ^.^ Henry.........
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: pine newsreader
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Allan,

Pine does not yet support posting news. We have an experimental version
of Pine here that can post and we will be rolling those changes into the
mainstream as soon as possible.

Thanks for the interest!

--DLM

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On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, allan lummus wrote:

> How do I post or respond using the newsreader on Pine?
>
> For example to alt.baseball.st-louis.cardinals
>
> what do I write at the to: prompt?
>
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From: Henry Kuo <[email protected]>
Subject: Install Pine 3.88 (fwd)
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Which file should I download if I want to install pine on my pc and Unix
(Dec Utrix) system? There are several files on the fpt site.

Thanks!!

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From: David L Miller <[email protected]>
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Henry,

The source for all versions is in pine.tar.Z. There are pre-compiled
binaries for the various PC stacks in the /mail/PC-PINE directory. There are
also pre-compiled Unix binaries for a few systems in /mail/UNIX-BINARIES.

--DLM

|\ | |\/| David L. Miller [email protected] (206) 685-6240
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University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
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On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Henry Kuo wrote:

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> Which file should I download if I want to install pine on my pc and Unix
> (Dec Utrix) system? There are several files on the fpt site.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
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> ^.^ Henry.........
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 93 08:38:41 MET
From: Jos Vos <[email protected]>

> > Please note that the contents of these routines in pine/other.c
> > are better than those of pine/pine.c: in the other.c version the
> > System V-specific LPDEST and lp things are mentioned, while in
> > the pine.c version only BSD's PRINTER and lpr is listed.
> ...
> > So I made the following patch to make the text in pine.c equal to
> > that in other.c.
> >
>
> The fix I had in mind was to remove the redundancy, i.e. remove the
> function from pine/pine.c, and change the other function from static to
> global.

That's OK: the function in other.c is the best one.

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