This is only a rough draft - Megan 04/16/92

                              Minutes
                         RMON Working Group
                             23rd IETF
                             San Diego

    The RMON WG met in two formal sessions during the San  Diego
    IETF  meeting.  Issues from both RFC 1271 and the developing
    Token Ring MIB were discussed.  What follows is an  encapsu-
    lation of the discussions
    Interoperability Interoperation between two or more indepen-
    dent implementations is a requirement for an RFC to become a
    full  Internet  standard  (RFC  1310).   Accordingly,   Mike
    Erlinger  and  Steve  Waldbusser  discussed their attempt to
    organize two interoperability testing sessions for  Ethernet
    RMON probes and managers.

         1.   Week of May 25th (after InterOp) at CMU in  Pitts-
              burgh
         2.   Week of Jul 20th (after IETF) at Frontier Software
              in Boston
         It was noted  that  these  interoperability  activities
         were  being  organized  outside  of the auspices of the
         IETF and that Mike and Steve were  reporting  on  their
         progress as part of the IETF WG meeting.

    The first draft of a token ring RMON MIB was  created  about
    6-weeks prior to the IETF at a WG session in Fullerton CA by
    combining the Novell and  ProTools  MIBs.   This  draft  was
    reviewed  with the results described below.  The goal is for
    the editor to have an updated draft on the mailing  list  by
    the  middle  of  April,  and an Internet Draft by the end of
    April.
         o+    ringOrder Table
              The MIB editor had left out the  ring-order  table
              because  he  believed  the  information  could  be
              easily obtained from the ring station table.   The
              WG  felt  that the table was so useful that it was
              more than worth the small amount of extra complex-
              ity it added.  It will be put back in.

         o+    ringStationControl Table
              Text needs to  be  added  to  indicated  that  the
              ringStationControl Table and the ringStation Table
              are associated (ifInterface).
         o+    The MAC Address of  the  active  monitor  will  be
              added to the ringStationControl Table.

         o+    NAUN
              Needs to be added to the ringOrder Table  and  the
              ringStation Table.
         o+    Data Packet
              Text needs to be  added  indicating  that  a  Data
              Packet is NOT a MAC Packet.

         o+    tokenStats
              remove the words "including those in bad MAC Pack-
              ets"

         o+    The AllRoutesBroadcastPckts variable  was  deleted
              from  the basic stats because it already exists in
              the source routing group.
         o+    host Table
              Define a Station  Address as "Station MAC  Address
              minus Source Routing Bits"

         o+    matrix Table
              Make sure to indicate that  Station  Address  (MAC
              Address) does NOT include Source Routing Bits
         o+    MAC vs LLC
              Make sure that MAC  vs.  LLC  vs.  Other  is  well
              defined  as  far  as packet types.  The token ring
              standard will be checked for the correct wording.

         o+    In/out line errors
              Add burst and in/out line errors (similar to  bea-
              cons)  back  into  error  list  in the ringStation
              Table, since  this  can  improve  the  ability  to
              correctly identify a problem domain.
         There was a lot of discussion about whether the TR  MIB
         should  be  usable  by  a non-promiscuous probe.  After
         much debate it was decided that token ring was signifi-
         cantly different from Ethernet and that all of the use-
         ful fault management and configuration  info  could  be
         acquired  by  just  examining  MAC  frames (without the
         overhead of promiscuous  mode).   Accordingly,  the  WG
         decided  to repartition the token ring MIB into (essen-
         tially) four groups:
              1. Promiscuous stats (frames, octets, size distri-
              bution, etc.)
              2. MAC layer stuff (ring station table, ring order
              table,  augmented with MAC layer counts which were
              previously in the stats group  -  these  would  be
              added to the ring station control table).
              3. Ring configuration  information  that  required
              active gathering methods.
              4. Source routing stats

         For each entry in the  History  control  table  both  a
         promiscuous  history  and a MAC layer history (with the
         same parameters) will be generated iff appropriate.
         The Config table will be split  into  a  control  table
         (containing   the   "push   buttons"  update-stats  and
         remove-station and a time of last update), and  a  data
         table which contains the actual data.  All columns must
         be present in the data table, but the  row  only  comes
         into  existence  (or  is  updated)  when  the button is
         actively pushed in the control table.