Editor's Note: Received 8/14

CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_


Reported by John Veizades/Apple

Minutes of the IP over AppleTalk Working Group (APPLEIP)

A proposal was made to limit the discussion to only old items, new
business should be brought up either in future BOFs or when a specific
Working Group is formed to discuss the issue.

MacIP


  o Status and comments on the Evans-Ranch Document.
  o Could the Thursby DecNET model be used for MacIP-2?
  o Specific protocol description without any implementation details.
  o Implementation hints should be in the appendix of the document.
  o Goal for MacIP 2 to make customers happy.
  o Is there a desire or need to do anything more than document the
    current working model?
  o Time line for completion of this effort Proposed Standard by
    November IETF to the Working Group Chair.


IP over LTalk

IP over the localtalk Chris Ranch (Novell) wants to experiment with it.

General Appletalk MIB


  o Discussion of DDP forwarding table and an understanding of the next
    hop gateway.
  o Add Diffs to 1243.


AURP

AFP


  o Little to say.
  o Posted to pacer ftp in the next few weeks with differences from the
    previous specification.


MacIP MIB

Presented and will be published to the list for comments.

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SNMP

Status of SNMP over DDP


  o Being discussed in the Multiprotocol SNMP Group.
  o Going to Proposed Standard.


AURP


  o Status of implementations.
  o Document to be published as an informational RFC.
  o Added Device hiding, ZIP storm, Backup paths, etc.
  o Implementation notes to be added to document.
  o Roll out at WWDC, InterOp DC, MacTivity, InterOp SF.
  o Shiva, Novell, Cayman and Apple are interoperating.
  o Contact Craig Brenner or Alan O at Apple to interoperate at InterOp
    SF.


PPP


  o Really close to being a 100 percent done to be proposed as a
    Standard.
  o Interoperability ??  Cayman has some of this done.


Greg Burell and Routers

Codification of the bringing up of a router.

AppleTalk Routing Issues

What's next?  Apple wants to come up with an advance routing protocol
(local).  Should have scalability, load balancing, type of service
routing, no hop count limit, multicast routing.  Link state vs.
distance vector?  Based on a Standard with a transition strategy.  Apple
will work independently, with Standards groups and with individual
organizations.  No commitment to use what comes out of the Standards
Group.

Working Group Status- Greg Minshall


  o NO forum for the discussion of AppleTalk issues in a public forum.
  o How does Apple fit into this structure.  How does the IETF fit into
    this.
  o We have a Group of Working Groups that could take over this work.

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    Have to present this to the IESG.


Charters and presentation to the IESG by November IETF


  o NO decision making apparatus.
  o Need to meet with Phil Gross and Vint Cerf.


Noel and AppleTalk in the IETF


  o History of the AppleTalk proposed at the Santa Fe IETF and was
    discussed with Apple.

  o Where is AppleTalk going in the long run...  Do we always maintain
    a completely separate protocol stack.

  o Proposed to Vint - do we move to a common layer three or even four?

  o There must be a statement of where AppleTalk is going in the long
    run to get buy in from the IESG.

  o Protocols that relate closely to the IETF sphere of protocols then
    the protocol can fall under the IETF- AppleTalk and IS to IS falls
    far a field of this.


Attendees

Atul Bansal              [email protected]
James Beers              [email protected]
Rich Brown               [email protected]
Gregory Bruell           [email protected]
Philip Budne             [email protected]
Cyrus Chow               [email protected]
Tim Cleveland            [email protected]
Peter DiCamillo          [email protected]
Karen Frisa              [email protected]
Bob Jeckell              [email protected]
Miriam Kadansky          [email protected]
Hock-Koon Lim            [email protected]
Joshua Littlefield       [email protected]
Greg Merrell             [email protected]
Beth Miaoulis            [email protected]
Greg Minshall            [email protected]
Alan Oppenheimer         [email protected]
J. Bradford Parker       [email protected]
Christopher Ranch        [email protected]
Tom Reuther              [email protected]

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Mike Ritter              [email protected]
Sam Roberts              [email protected]
Guenter Roeck            [email protected]
Frank Slaughter          [email protected]
Timon Sloane             [email protected]
Evan Solley              [email protected]
Brad Steinka             [email protected]
David Stine              [email protected]
Wayne Tackabury          [email protected]
John Veizades            [email protected]
Steven Waldbusser        [email protected]
Jesse Walker             [email protected]
Jonathan Wenocur         [email protected]



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