Subj : proposed new nodelist [2]
To : Peter Knapper
From : Jasen Betts
Date : Tue Jul 16 2002 01:59 pm
Hi Peter.
15-Jul-02 20:58:58, Peter Knapper wrote to Jasen Betts
PK> Malcolm Miles has found a solution that looks like it fits the
PK> bill nicely.
Yeah it does indeed.
JB>> manually? The nodelist is distributed automatically (it says so
JB>> in P4 so it must be true :)
PK> If we are using the Internet, why not go and get the info, rather
PK> than waiting for it to arrive?
yeah it mahkes sense to me now...
PK> The nodelist had to be manually distributed when Fidoent was PSTN based,
PK> however as it moves to an IP base, we have a chance to make it work
PK> much better by doing this automatically using the DNS..
PSTN nodes would still need the weekly nodediff, as would those Iinternat
capable nodes using existing software.
JB>> why do you want to cut the off-internet nodes off from the
JB>> nodelist?
PK> I dont. The Nodelist will still continue for all the PSTN nodes
PK> left in the network. The Nodelist is not really needed by IP
PK> Nodes, except when communicating with PSTN nodes. Hhowever even
PK> that could be handled by a PSTN <> IP Gateway that used some
PK> intelligence on behalf of the traffic using it
could PSTN nodes could have DNS entries without having IP addresses
(I expect malcolm knows the answer to this), that could help.
nodelist generation for thr use of PSTN nodes still appears to be a problem
though.
JB>> doing without it does have its merits. but really withpout the
JB>> nodelist it's not fidonet. (says that in p4 too)
PK> The reality is that any FTN node can communicate with any other
PK> FTN node, provided they know how to contact each other (IE phone
PK> numbers). No Nodelist is actually needed
Yeah, but if they do are not nodelisted that are not part of fidonet.
PK>> If you must (and my prefernce is to have no such entry at all),
PK>> all you need is a simple indicator against a node number, that a
PK>> specific DNS entry should be the reference point for ALL further
PK>> communication with that node
it seems that doesn't catually need anything added to the nodelist.
fidonet.org domain names can be built from the nodes fidonet address.
JB>> We can't add anything to the SLF nodelist it's full already.
PK> No its not, it had 37,000 entries in it at its peak,
longer is possible, wider causes problems (reportedly).
PK> All an ION node entry needs is A PVT listing,
unless it's a host(etc)... - yucky can of worms that one.
PK> Remote copy of what? If they are PSTN, then all the info they need
PK> should be in the Nodelist. If they are IP, then they can use the
PK> DNS for it
