Subj : Re: The US election
To : Rob Swindell
From : jimmylogan
Date : Fri Nov 08 2024 06:07 am
-=> Rob Swindell wrote to jimmylogan <=-
> How do you define embryo or fetus?
RS> I'm fine with the standard definition used by biologists.
Can you supply that? I see several variations and no 'standard.'
> I say it's a stage of development. You
> are also a bunch of cells. What stage of development are you?
RS> I'm an adult.
Do you agree you are also a 'bunch of cells?'
> Embryo, fetus, something else, baby, toddler, pre-teen, teen, adolescent,
> adult, elderly - they describe development, but they all have one thing
> in common. They are human beings.
>
> If an embryo or fetus is not a human being, then what is it?
RS> It's a human embryo or fetus. These are kind of elementary questions
RS> you're asking.
Yes they are, but I'm asking what YOU say it is. I'm trying to find out
where you actually stand on this. If it's 'human' then why is it not
worth defending?
> RS> I think we collectively make humans at a fast enough rate already, we
> RS> don't need superstition-based laws insuring we make more unwanted/loved
> RS> ones.
>
> Then why not start killing off the excess after birth too?
RS> Why change the subject? We're talking about abortion of embryos or
RS> fetuses, not born-live human babies.
It's not a change of subjedt. We are talking about live humans in both
cases. Just because the location is inside the womb does not make it
less human. The birth is a change of location, not a change in
species.
> RS> An aborted embryo or fetus makes the uterus available for the creation
> RS> of another, more planned/wanted/loved child. What's more important: 1.
> RS> an unwanted embryo/fetus 2. a wanted child?
>
> You have a baby and find out it is autistic and probably will never talk.
> What's more important, keeping that unwanted child or tossing it aside
> and trying again?
RS> You want to kill learning disabled children? You're sick.
No I don't, and I don't want to see people kill children in the womb. I
didn't say *I* wanted anything - I'm asking you to tell me what the
difference is.
> Couple of things - superstition based laws - so I take it you don't believe
> that we are created in the image of God?
RS> No, there is no god, yours or any other religion's: Gods are
RS> constructions of human imagination, not unlike the gods of Greek
RS> mythology or any other discarded belief system. I expect this will be
RS> offensive to you (and possibly other believers), but you since you
RS> asked, there it is.
Nope - not offensive to me at all. Follow up question - where do you get
your morality from then?
> What do you believe? Random chance and evolution?
RS> I believe that more than some old man in the clouds that judges us and
RS> controls our fate and some fantasy afterlife.
Same question then - where does your morality come from?
> That leads to the answer of the 'wanted' child and society, so answer that
> one first please.
RS> It seems you want to change the subject or topic. You said you voted
RS> for an immoral disgusting narcisist to lead our country because he's
RS> promised that he'll continue to strip the rights of women to control
RS> their own reprodutive organs, justified by the teachings of Jesus? That
RS> seems like a sick hypocrisy. But you do you. --
RS> digital man (rob)
As I said above, not changing it at all. I'm trying to get to the ROOT of
the same subject or topic.
And I like the spin you put on it - saying that I said those things. Nice.
:-)
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