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microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support:31838

VanguardLH,

> Is this 2nd list what you expected for sort order for the
> filenames shown in Windows Explorer?

Yes.  Or any sorting method where all the same symbols are grouped together
(preferrably in 0...9 and a...z order ofcourse).  I would not even too much
mind if the group with the minus signs would appear *after* all the digits
(mind you, sorting a list containing "+", "-" and digit symbols the ASCII
way would not really be intuitive either. :-) )

> Perhaps you have Windows Explorer configured to sort by
> filetype rather than by filename.

Same kind of thought here.   I've had Explorer open in details view and
removed all but the filename column and refreshed.   Nothing changed to the
sorted order of the filenames.

> Did sorting work when you used ALL signed numerical values
> (+ for positive values, - for negative values) instead of just adding
> a hyphen to the negative numerical values?

Yes, but not for the good reason: "-32" comes, ASCII wise, after "+32".  But
if we (again) ignore the hypen it still stays true: "30" comes, ASCII wise,
after "+30"

As a test I changed one of the "+00" values (of the "+32"/"-32" column) into
"000". File Explorer than shows the values starting with the "+" symbol
first, than the "000", and only than the "-32" values --  which, when you
disregard the minus signs, is logical order.  However, if I than change one
of the other "+00" combinations to "-00" (its value doesn't change) than it
gets put between the last "+32" but before the "000" (same as "dir /one"
does by the way).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
VanguardLH <[email protected]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[email protected]...
> I did not know what you were trying to represent with your "translated"
> list of filenames and there were no example filenames containing "33".
>
> Using only your 1st list of filenames, which were:
>
> 60.00.00.32.dds
> 60.00.00.32.msh
> 60.00.00.32.nif
> 60.00.32.32.dds
> 60.00.-32.32.dds
> 60.00.32.32.msh
> 60.00.-32.32.msh
> 60.00.32.32.nif
> 60.00.-32.32.nif
>
> I put those into a file (input.txt) and ran it through the 'sort'
> program by running at the command line:
>
> sort input.txt /o output.txt
>
> The sorted output looked like:
>
> 60.00.-32.32.dds
> 60.00.-32.32.msh
> 60.00.-32.32.nif
> 60.00.00.32.dds
> 60.00.00.32.msh
> 60.00.00.32.nif
> 60.00.32.32.dds
> 60.00.32.32.msh
> 60.00.32.32.nif
>       ^
>       |__ differentiates starting here (col 7)
>
> Is this 2nd list what you expected for sort order for the filenames
> shown in Windows Explorer?  This is a simple columnar sort, so at
> character position #7, the output sort order is due to ASCII order of:
>
> "-" is before "0"
> "0" is is before "3"
>
> I think you mentioned something about extension grouping in your other
> thread.  Perhaps you have Windows Explorer configured to sort by
> filetype rather than by filename.  Make sure Windows Explorer is
> configured to sort by Name and not by Type.
>
> Did sorting work when you used ALL signed numerical values (+ for
> positive values, - for negative values) instead of just adding a hyphen
> to the negative numerical values?  With the same column of values all
> signed so the input looked like:
>
> 60.00.+00.32.dds
> 60.00.+00.32.msh
> 60.00.+00.32.nif
> 60.00.+32.32.dds
> 60.00.-32.32.dds
> 60.00.+32.32.msh
> 60.00.-32.32.msh
> 60.00.+32.32.nif
> 60.00.-32.32.nif
>
> the 'sort' program produced an output list of:
>
> 60.00.-32.32.dds
> 60.00.-32.32.msh
> 60.00.-32.32.nif
> 60.00.+00.32.dds
> 60.00.+00.32.msh
> 60.00.+00.32.nif
> 60.00.+32.32.dds
> 60.00.+32.32.msh
> 60.00.+32.32.nif
>
> This has all the negative values listed before the zero values before
> the positive values (columns 7-9, inclusive)
>
> Alas, I'm not at a Windows XP machine right now to see if Windows
> Explorer will sort in the same order as the 'sort' program.


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