Subj : Democrat Protesters
To : Dan Cross
From : Lee Lofaso
Date : Sat Jun 13 2020 02:16 am
Hello Dan,
>> >And I answered that unequivocally: No. I am not, nor
>> >was I ever, under any obligation to follow any illegal
>> >order, no matter who issued it; I would not do so. You
>> >evidently know me better than I do, though, and disagree
>> >with me on what I would do and what I have seen other
>> >military officers do.
>>
>LL>Notice the president and his entourage waited until the protesters
>LL>had been cleared for them to make their appearance at the church.
>LL> LL>Fact of the matter is you have no idea what you would do
>LL>in certain situations.
>
>Actually, haven been in situations like that, I do.
Prove it.
The men in uniform who opened fire on their fellow Americans
at Lafayette Square were ashamed of what they did, after the fact.
Most of them wish they had not followed the illegal orders given
them. But they did what they did, not a single one of them even
bothering to question the reasons why.
>LL>If during a time of war your commanding officer gives you a
>LL>sidearm and tells you to take a prisoner to headquarters and
>LL>return in fifteen minutes, you would do it - even though it
>LL>would take you a full hour driving through heavy fighting in
>LL>enemy territory. You would do it just to save your own sorry
>LL>skin, knowing what your commanding officer would do to you
>LL>if you failed to follow that order.
>
>Are you describing yourself?
You're the one pretending to be soldier boy. You made the claim
that you have been in situations when you were given an illegal
order(s) to follow by your superior/commanding officer. You made
the claim to have refused those orders, given your statement.
Some would call that insubordination. Others would call it conduct
unbecoming an officer. But hey. Like I said, I'm a civvy. So I
don't have to follow anybody's orders. Not even my own.
>Because you sure as shit aren't describing _me_.
Not now, since you are just a civvie. Just like me. But back in
the day, when you were playing soldier, sure describes you to a T.
>I've been in situations like that and know full-well what I'd do.
You don't know jack shit what the hell you would do in such a
situation. And none of the soldiers who followed the illegal orders
knew jack shit would they would do. Until they were actually given
those illegal orders. Not a single soldier objected or ran away.
Every single soldier did as he/she was told. Which is exactly
what you would have done had you been in their ranks.
>LL>Soldiers exist to follow orders. That's it. They are not there
>LL>to think. Only to do what they are told. Nothing more, nothing
>LL>less. The commander in chief is head honcho, and all his toy
>LL>soldiers and sailors and airmen are compelled to comply. Even
>LL>his spacemen, although not really sure what branch the space
>LL>force is supposed to be part of. In Robert Heinlein's world the
>LL>spacemen were Marines. But this is Trumpland ...
>
>That's one of the most laughable things I've ever read.
>That's empirically not true. Maybe for bootlickers like
>you who want to follow Trump off an authoritarian cliff.
Heinlein's space marines were fighting bugs on another world.
The world Trump is trying to build here is the same kind of world
that Heinlein described in many of his novels. Only difference
being Heinlein was writing fiction.
>> >But you've also admitted to being a Trump supporter, so
>> >this is unsurprising.
>>
>LL>I said I wear a red hat and have a huge banner on my wall.
>LL>How does that make me a Trump supporter?
>
>Your statements and actions do, symbols aside.
What I wear and what I have on my wall are statements and actions
in and of themselves.
>> >I am not retired, as I told you. That's a very specific
>> >status; I served and left the service prior to retirement.
>> >I am honorably discharged.
>>
>LL>So is US Senator Tammy Duckworth. But at least you still have legs
>LL>to stand on. Unlike so many others, some who have lost far more.
>
>What does that have to do with anything?
Legs. Gotta have legs to stand on, else you got nothin'.
After she lost her first set, she found another. And learned
how to use them. Perhaps you should do the same. Or at least
try.
>But since you brought here up.... Why don't you go tell
>Sen Duckworth that she was there to only follow orders,
>not to think, and that she'd commit war crimes if told
>to do so by Donald Trump? She may have lost her legs to
>the RPG round that hit her Blackhawk, but I'll bet she'd
>tear you apart so fast you'd have no idea what hit you.
We have a civilian form of government.
"We must hold dear the principle of an apolitical military that
is so deeply rooted in the very essence of our republic. It takes
time and effort, but it may be the most important thing each and
every one of us does every single day." ~Gen. Mark Milley, 6/11/20
> LL> --Lee
>
>The rest of your post was an incoherent wall of text.
>Very well.
>
>*PLoNk!*
Enjoy your day.
--Lee
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