Subj : Re: It's really quiet in
To : Gregory Deyss
From : Dale Shipp
Date : Mon Nov 04 2019 02:26 am
-=> On 11-03-19 09:46, Gregory Deyss <=-
-=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It's really quiet in <=-
DS> But every thing in the whistle blower's statement
DS> has been borne out
DS> other witnesses who were on the call and
DS> witnesses who have observed
DS> background information of Trump demanding
DS> withholding National Securi
DS> Funds from an ally until they helped him provide
DS> dirt on his politica
DS> potential opponent.
GD> This is ridiculous, this is NOT what happened.
It is exactly what happened. And has been reported on by multiple media
and sworn statements of witnesses in their depositions to the
impeachement committee. And btw, most of those witnesses were
Republicans and some appointed under the Trump administration.
GD> Whether it be immigration laws or finance laws or criminal statutes,
GD> the president is duty-bound to enforce all laws. Failure to do so would
GD> be a dereliction of his duty, as our first president believed.
If he believed that, why does he forbid anyone who has ever been in the
Whitehouse from talking to Congress, the body who is charged by the
Constitution to create the laws, to provide oversight and to investigate
wrongdoing. Thankfully, not everyone has obeyed his decrees.
GD> This is nothing more them a attempt by the left to muddy the waters
GD> and claim that Trump's actions are or were sinister, when they are
GD> clearly not.
Trump's actions were a violation of US Federal law - a law that you
claim above that he is duty-bound to enforce. His actions were in
violation of the will of Congress, by withholding funds that had been
approved by *both* houses of Congress to give military aid to an ally of
the USA in their fight against an adversary, Russia. But, as is
apparent, Trump will do almost anything to support the wishes of Russia
-- even against the laws passed by Congress.
DS> It is even more ironic that you point to a link which describes
DS> Republican Congressmen openingly advocating breaking the law by
DS> publically publishing the identity of the whistleblower. Not a good way
DS> to make your case.
And in light of your other statements, it is ironic that you ignored
that comment.
DS> I.e., there was definitely a quid pro quo -- but
DS> even if not a quid pro quo, the asking a foreign
DS> government for help in
DS> his political campaign is a federal crime in itself.
GD> What Joe Biden did was a real quid pro quo.
DS> Joe Biden has been cleared of any wrong doing. He was forcing the
DS> Ukrainian Government to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor. He was *not*
DS> forcing them to help him in his political campaign like Trump did.
GD> You need to understand what a quid pro quo is and is not.
GD> It's latin for; something for something.
Everyone knows what it means.
GD> President Trump did not withhold - arms, protection or money for
GD> exchange of information or dirt on the Biden's.
But that is exactly what he did. He withheld the funds for months, all
the time trying to force the Ukranian President to publically announce
that he would investigate Biden and the firm that Hunter Biden worked
with. The public testimony has confirmed that was his intention long
before the infamous telephone call. It was that telephone call that
triggered the investigation when he admitted that they would only get
the aid if they "first did him a favor though".
GD> He simply made the request to check into what happened.
There was nothing simple about his "request".
GD> this onto Trump, when in
GD> fact he has nothing to do with what happened.
Trump had everything to do with what happened. He and Rudy and others
worked on it behind normal channels for quite some time.
Dale Shipp
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