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Launching the BeOS on Hitachi Flora Prius Systems (1999)
Lammy wrote 7 hours 42 min ago:
Hitachi's press release where Preinstalled BeOS was announced: [1]
[1]: https://www.hitachi.com/New/cnews/E/1998/981111B.html
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40712847
theragra wrote 3 hours 53 min ago:
Pretty cool. I remember how I had written question to local IT
newspaper asking how to install BeOS if you have HDD LBA addressing
workaround installed. This was way too complex question for them to
know.
Still, I think I played with BeOs 5 somehow. I was in high school at
the time, and already was familiar with Linux (Ukrainian black cat
Linux). I think my curiosity made my career in IT progress much
faster. I even was compiling Linux kernel once, which was considered
a top achievement at the time.
Good times.
protocolture wrote 19 hours 37 min ago:
I have this weird memory of running either a file explorer or whole
operating system side by side with windows 95. But the madness, the
real craziness that makes me doubt my memory is that it was branded the
same as my monitor.
jonah-archive wrote 1 day ago:
This is an utterly random question, and I'm sure there's a better place
to ask it, but does anyone reading this happen to have/know the logic
analyzer pinout [0] on the BeBox mainboard? I got a weird rackmount
BeBox (an LCS LD-CS1, the controller for their LD-88 audio mixer [1])
and have been rebuilding the blinkenlight board, but I'd love to drop
an Agilent on there at some point.
0: [1] "The pin-out for the logic probe interface is available upon
request from Be, Inc. Be can supply a card and analyzer set-up
libraries that connect the CPU bus to an HP 1660A."
1:
[1]: https://bebits.irixnet.org/beos/docs/DR8/UserDoc/DR8UsersGuide...
[2]: http://testou.free.fr/www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/deve...
detourdog wrote 1 day ago:
It’s been a while but are you talking about the “Geekport” [1]
The Nike store on 57th street in Manhattan was powered by a BeBox. I
forget if it ever actually worked. The original developer was
replaced by Kandu and I remember them thinking it was trouble. Kandu
was famous for hating anything more complex than MS-DOS. We worked on
a project where they claimed to have rewritten most of DOS.
[1]: https://www.beunited.org/bebook/
jonah-archive wrote 6 hours 39 min ago:
The Geekport is reasonably well-documented -- this is a direct
logic analyzer port on the bus on the mainboard (in the form factor
of a CPU socket -- upper right of the photo on this page):
[1]: http://testou.free.fr/www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/...
doublerabbit wrote 1 day ago:
And from BeOS Haiku lives on.
If you haven't you should check it out. [1] It without all the X and
Wayland mess it's a good alternative for an operating system.
[1]: https://haiku-os.org
codr7 wrote 1 day ago:
Imo they had already lost at this point.
Sad, I used BeOS full time for a few glorious months right after the
Intel pivot. Reminded me of my Amiga days.
jbverschoor wrote 17 hours 4 min ago:
Me too.. and I used it at work while at Lucent too.
drooopy wrote 1 day ago:
I played quite a bit with that free intel version they came out with
back in 98? 99? Shame that my internal modem wasn't working and I
couldn't get on the internet with it.
Aldipower wrote 1 day ago:
May I ask what your tasks were you did with BeOS. Just curios.
codr7 wrote 1 day ago:
Coding mostly, which is what I mainly use computers for; it offers
pretty nice C++ APIs for building apps.
But I also used GoBe Productive, which is by far the nicest office
suite I've tried.
And playing music, back then it was the only OS that could play an
MP3 without skipping while you used the computer for something
else.
ewgoforth wrote 4 hours 11 min ago:
I played around with BeOS a little about 25 years ago. It did
perhaps the best job of remaining responsive under high load of
any OS I've used.
AshamedCaptain wrote 1 day ago:
This article is not complete without the reminder that this entire
dance of instructions was required because MS would not allow a Windows
OEM licensor to ship ANY customer-facing computer that would offer the
option to boot BeOS via a pre-loaded bootloader or similar. [1] > Be
outlines its tortured history of trying to get its operating system
included on machines from major computer makers, most notably Compaq
Computer and Hitachi.
> Be said that in September 1998, Hitachi verbally committed to loading
the BeOS alongside Windows on a line of PCs. Be had planned to offer
software that would easily let computer owners choose between the two
operating systems, but said it was notified by Hitachi in November 1998
that Microsoft's licensing deal with Hitachi effectively prevented such
an approach.
> Although Hitachi eventually sold some PCs with the BeOS loaded on the
hard drive, Be said the operating system had to be started from a
floppy disk, and the machines bore no indication that they even came
with the operating system.
[1]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/be-stings-microsoft-with-lawsuit...
yardie wrote 1 day ago:
> it was notified by Hitachi in November 1998 that Microsoft's
licensing deal with Hitachi effectively prevented such an approach.
For those too young to remember, this is what the anti-trust case
against Microsoft was actually about. Internet Explorer, while
important, was just a small part of the Microsoft's monopolistic
practice of absolutely fucking over developers, other OSes (including
Linux) and consumer choice. It's mildly infuriating now to hear about
the bad old Microsoft not being allowed to give end users the best
browser available, knowing that was just the tip of the iceberg.
sillywalk wrote 1 day ago:
Be, or rather the remnants of Be, settled their anti-trust case
with Microsoft for $23.3 million in 2003.
[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20131109045719/http://www.inte...
AtlasBarfed wrote 1 day ago:
That's the state of antitrust in the US: openly State publicly
anti-competitive language and documents...
Zero chance of any enforcement.
It's kind of hilarious seeing hacker news report on what the EU does.
"Can you believe these ridiculous requirements" says Hacker News.
Yes. Yes I can believe that
bigyabai wrote 20 hours 52 min ago:
If there was a competitive league for justifying anticompetitive
contracts, HN would be guaranteed a finalist team to compete with
whoever Oracle decides to put in the ring.
yjftsjthsd-h wrote 1 day ago:
Launching from Windows is funny. Reminds me of GRUB4DOS and [1] even if
the particulars differ.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(software)
doener wrote 1 day ago:
Via
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzosnPSETzk
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