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Boeing engineer tells senate about 'manufacturing shortcuts' [video] | |
Log_out_ wrote 48 min ago: | |
Is there a website where I can see the percentage of boeing/airbus | |
planes in an airline? | |
system2 wrote 13 min ago: | |
Pretty much every airline wikipedia article mentions the fleet size | |
and what planes they have. I checked previously. American Airlins and | |
Delta have 50/50 Airbus and Boeing planes at 700-800 total each | |
company. Most American ones are 50/50 Airbus / Boeing planes in | |
general. | |
golergka wrote 56 min ago: | |
How long until airlines start advertising that they don't have Boeing | |
planes? | |
Cupprum wrote 19 min ago: | |
I believe it already started, SAS posted couple of messages [1] that | |
they retired their boeings. I believe they currently only have couple | |
of boeing lefts for some medical emergencies. | |
[1] (instagram post section) | |
[1]: https://www.sasgroup.net/about-sas/the-fleet/ | |
boramalper wrote 1 hour 9 min ago: | |
Worth mentioning the story of John Barnett (RIP) here too: | |
John Mitchell Barnett (February 23, 1962 â March 9, 2024) was an | |
American whistleblower who was known for his substantiated safety and | |
quality reports to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) about | |
Boeing's production of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner and death which | |
occurred amidst a lawsuit he brought against Boeing. Barnett worked in | |
quality control at Boeing for 32 years, serving for seven as a manager | |
in North Charleston, South Carolina. | |
In March 2024, after he failed to report for his third day of | |
deposition, he was found dead of a gunshot wound. | |
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barnett_(whistleblower) | |
CraigJPerry wrote 1 hour 56 min ago: | |
America, used to be engineering-led. Seeing âMade in USAâ most | |
often meant you were holding something that was engineered to work and | |
to last. Exceptions to this were rare. | |
The economist-led America of today? Well, Iâve got a modern âmade | |
in usaâ through hole socket set in the garage with a shattered 13mm | |
socket. I could tell from the second I lifted the first socket they had | |
saved some cash on the materials. | |
Policy type discussions today arenât fundamentally based on whether | |
something is physically possible or whether a thing would be desirable | |
- discussions today are inevitably founded on cost, they will often | |
touch on other subjects for sure but the one lens that cannot be | |
discarded is the cost one. | |
Itâs ok. Iâve collected a few nick nacks from NASAâs glorious | |
days to keep me cheered up. | |
atoav wrote 6 min ago: | |
[delayed] | |
iancmceachern wrote 8 min ago: | |
As an American Mechancal product design engineer I can say this is | |
exactly true. Oftentimes cost is decided before many other features | |
of a product. | |
We have been hollowing out this for profit for years. | |
Log_out_ wrote 54 min ago: | |
Discussion today is about repeat revenue, between management and QA. | |
Suspicion: It's one huge cartel driving quality down, for if one | |
producer made a low price-quality dash the others would crash and | |
burn | |
seoulmetro wrote 1 hour 21 min ago: | |
Isn't it funny, Japan was synonymous with "junk" back then, now it's | |
the leader in good quality products. | |
You would think being more successful would breed amazing products | |
and innovation but it just breeds laziness and not-good-enough | |
products. | |
m463 wrote 42 min ago: | |
Japan listened to demming. | |
I also think that japan competed with american cars on quality, and | |
eventually american cars improved (but I think the damage was done) | |
ulfw wrote 1 hour 24 min ago: | |
God. How long ago was that? | |
Not since the 80s have I seen anyone want to buy an American car for | |
example. | |
iancmceachern wrote 10 min ago: | |
They make great trucks. The powerstroke in superduties is | |
legendary | |
Shawnj2 wrote 33 min ago: | |
For a while I thought Tesla was bucking that trend but that no | |
longer appears to be the case | |
The correct choice for a car is a Japanese one | |
Ekaros wrote 14 min ago: | |
Was Tesla ever a car you wanted if you wanted quality, that is | |
good fit and finish. Consistent gaps on panels. Suspension not | |
breaking in regular use... You know absolute basics I get for | |
fraction of the price from Koreans for example. | |
treprinum wrote 16 min ago: | |
Recent Toyotas (Yaris, CH-R, RAV4) were listed among the most | |
buggy cars in Europe... Mitsubishi is now openly selling rebadged | |
Renaults that aren't known for their longevity either. Even | |
luxury European brands are becoming cheapened - Mercedes is now | |
selling cars with Dacia/Renault engines. | |
n4r9 wrote 7 min ago: | |
> Toyotas (Yaris, CH-R, RAV4) were listed among the most buggy | |
cars in Europe | |
Where are you getting that from? Toyotas are famously some of | |
the most reliable cars you can buy. | |
MeImCounting wrote 1 hour 37 min ago: | |
You should look at some USA made pocket knives. American | |
manufacturing is still alive, well and expensive. Three Rivers | |
Manufacturing, Chris Reeves Knives, Oz Machine Co, American | |
Bladeworks, Koenig Knives and others are doing the best machining | |
using the best materials with the finest engineering anywhere in the | |
world. | |
piva00 wrote 30 min ago: | |
How do they compare to the likes of Böker and other knives from | |
Solingen? | |
amelius wrote 58 min ago: | |
Leatherman is American and makes more sophisticated knives/tools. | |
I don't own one because I can never tell where in the world I'm | |
allowed to carry one. | |
sneak wrote 11 min ago: | |
Every Leatherman Iâve ever had has broken in short order. | |
ulfw wrote 1 hour 23 min ago: | |
Swiss pocket knife manufacturers might disagree on "finest | |
engineering anywhere in the world" with you. | |
iancmceachern wrote 11 min ago: | |
Switzerland didn't land a man on the moon | |
MeImCounting wrote 1 hour 15 min ago: | |
I cant even think of any swiss knife manufacturers except for | |
Victorinox. They are cute and handy but not even in the same | |
world as the knife manufacturers mentioned above. For instance | |
the SAK in my pocket currently has ever so slight side-to-side | |
blade play from the factory and the file has over time created a | |
small scratch on the side of the blade. Both these kinds of | |
faults would get you a brand new knife and profuse apology from | |
the likes of Koenig or TRM. | |
Dont get me wrong swiss army knives are great but they cant hold | |
a candle to American manufacturers. | |
PetitPrince wrote 47 min ago: | |
> I cant even think of any swiss knife manufacturers except for | |
Victorinox. | |
The term "Swiss Army Knife" is trademarked by Victorinox. There | |
used to be another manufacturer (Wenger), but they got bought | |
by Victorinox and the brand disappeared in 2013. | |
staplers wrote 1 hour 46 min ago: | |
they will often touch on other subjects for sure but the one lens | |
that cannot be discarded is the cost one | |
Next you'll tell me that the richest are venerated as celebrities to | |
an almost cult status and maybe even elevated to highest authority.. | |
imoverclocked wrote 2 hours 56 min ago: | |
Better get all of your air travel in now before half the world's | |
commercial airliners start failing/are grounded! (/s) | |
What's amazing to me is that even with such a degradation in culture | |
and safety, the individual planes are still somehow worth more money | |
than most humans will cumulatively see in their lifetime. I do wonder | |
how quickly that will shift if they don't address the serious problems | |
that have come to light lately though. | |
Freedom2 wrote 4 hours 0 min ago: | |
My condolences to this engineer's family for their loss. | |
PaulStatezny wrote 4 hours 5 min ago: | |
Apparently Boeing has had to pay _billions_ to settle lawsuits related | |
to their shady practices.[0] I wonder how much their competitors | |
partake in similarly unethical management. | |
[1]: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-has-happened-t... | |
m463 wrote 40 min ago: | |
> competitors | |
You mean like McDonnell Douglas? | |
smt88 wrote 3 hours 23 min ago: | |
A friend of mine is a safety engineer for an airline and says that | |
Boeing is a disaster and Airbus isn't. The culture at Airbus is still | |
responsible and safety-oriented. | |
jajko wrote 1 hour 51 min ago: | |
As an European even for me this makes me deeply unhappy. World | |
needs 2 strong competitors neck to neck and not 1 dominant one | |
because greedy managers got company into fubar territory. | |
Literally all of us benefit from long term healthy competition. | |
This begs the question - how fucked up bonus incentives must be set | |
that management chose to tank the company in such a way. Very few | |
people are genuinely evil, but these sociopaths always follow the | |
path of money (and power). | |
Maybe for such strategic companies government needs to set the | |
rules, or at least veto them and have some basic oversight. | |
Duopoly ain't completely free market realm. | |
delusional wrote 1 hour 12 min ago: | |
I doubt they're actually specifically "evil". I think they're | |
just idiots who have never made anything good, and don't know | |
what good looks like. | |
bboygravity wrote 8 min ago: | |
You have to be pretty smart and evil to assasinate your whistle | |
blower in broad daylight with the entire world watching just | |
before he's being heard AND GET AWAY WITH IT. | |
Nothing "idiot" about that. Evil is the right word. | |
ulfw wrote 1 hour 22 min ago: | |
COMAC will be the duopoly competitor in the coming decades. They | |
aren't by any means yet, but given enough time and with the | |
trajectory Boeing Commercial Airplanes is going... | |
staplers wrote 1 hour 40 min ago: | |
management chose to tank the company | |
Most don't even know they're nosediving the company. They've | |
spent years inhaling the flatulent business-speak of corporate | |
America and come out believing greed, villainy, and corruption | |
are good for the market and that they are geniuses for taking | |
advantage of the situation. | |
toast0 wrote 3 hours 46 min ago: | |
Their competitors take no shortcuts in the manufacture of 737s! | |
sgt_bilko wrote 4 hours 19 min ago: | |
Reminds me of [1] . | |
[1]: https://www.inc-aus.com/jeff-haden/elon-musks-algorithm-a-5-st... | |
lenerdenator wrote 5 hours 13 min ago: | |
We here at the legal and regulatory affairs department at Boeing prefer | |
the nomenclature "profit enhancers". | |
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