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Aboriginal Linux | |
tjpnz wrote 7 hours 25 min ago: | |
Presumably when a process dies we may never speak its name again? | |
defrost wrote 7 hours 21 min ago: | |
Just move it to the Kumanjayi PID list and obfuscate with salt for a | |
year. | |
justinclift wrote 15 hours 1 min ago: | |
From their NEWS page: [1] News | |
April 30, 2017 | |
-- End of Line -- | |
Development of Aboriginal Linux has ended, replaced by mkroot. | |
[1]: https://landley.net/aboriginal/news.html | |
binarycrusader wrote 14 hours 50 min ago: | |
From mkroot page: | |
https://github.com/landley/mkroot | |
This project was merged into toybox in 2020. See the "mkroot" | |
directory in | |
[1]: https://github.com/landley/toybox | |
andrewstuart wrote 15 hours 10 min ago: | |
Yeah that's not going to go down well with first nations Australians. | |
They're sensitive about cultural appropriation, with some | |
justification. I don't think the argument of the Latin origin would be | |
given much heed. Then again, likely no-one will notice a small | |
software project. | |
adultSwim wrote 6 hours 34 min ago: | |
It sure made me uncomfortable. | |
blueflow wrote 8 hours 4 min ago: | |
As you have noticed, the word has Latin origins. Who is appropriating | |
whom? | |
klyrs wrote 53 min ago: | |
You accuse a conquered people of appropriating language that forced | |
them to assimilate or die? | |
blueflow wrote 11 min ago: | |
Who did i accuse? | |
What an odd thing to say. | |
rswskg wrote 8 hours 58 min ago: | |
Then why bring it up? | |
viraptor wrote 14 hours 7 min ago: | |
There are other indigenous cultures which use the name, for example | |
Aboriginal Canadians. I'm not sure why any of the groups would care | |
about the naming of the project though. The naming controversies I'm | |
aware of are about the names used for the indigenous people, not | |
completely external names. It feels weird to assume it would be an | |
issue, unless there's some specific cases you have in mind? | |
chris_wot wrote 14 hours 12 min ago: | |
I'm not sure it is too jarring - if they had called it Aborigine | |
Linux then there might have been a small outcry. | |
klyrs wrote 10 hours 32 min ago: | |
Yes and no. Aboriginal peoples world 'round have been displaced | |
and slaughtered. The name conjures all meanings of the word, as is | |
the nature of words, consequently there is a distinct and | |
predictable reflex to associate this name with atrocity in a | |
general sense. | |
Naming is hard. Offense unintended is often perceived as neglect | |
or callousness. Names can change; history cannot. | |
jojobas wrote 14 hours 48 min ago: | |
If you intend to avoid rustling jimmies anywhere in the world you're | |
in for a hard time with your naming. | |
Willish42 wrote 15 hours 5 min ago: | |
Yeah... I'm not even Australian and this being some sort of indie OS | |
build made by or for indigenous Australians was my first guess at | |
what this was. | |
I had a similar concern but you stated it way better than I could've. | |
Thanks for doing so | |
Naming is hard. | |
maxloh wrote 15 hours 24 min ago: | |
Why was uClibc chosen over musl? | |
uClibc is unmaintained according to Wikipedia: | |
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UClibc | |
alexhutcheson wrote 4 hours 37 min ago: | |
The successor project uses musl: | |
[1]: https://github.com/landley/toybox/tree/master/mkroot | |
masklinn wrote 6 hours 29 min ago: | |
First, why not. You could also ask why musl was created at all since | |
uclibc predates it by 11 years. | |
Second, because this project was started during those 11 years, it | |
dates back to 2007 at least: | |
[1]: https://github.com/landley/aboriginal/releases/tag/0.3.0 | |
mkj wrote 11 hours 37 min ago: | |
Aboriginal Linux is older than Musl | |
silisili wrote 14 hours 48 min ago: | |
uclibc was spun off by someone else as uclibc-ng with a release just | |
last month. Wikipedia mentions it, but unfortunately squashed the | |
two together haphazardly. | |
syene wrote 15 hours 9 min ago: | |
So is Aboriginal: | |
[1]: https://github.com/landley/aboriginal/commit/cfb7977cc32a80b... | |
kreelman wrote 16 hours 2 min ago: | |
Why no RISC-V? I thought there'd be enough chips around... | |
Virtualisation should be possible to? | |
NewJazz wrote 15 hours 51 min ago: | |
It is old. I think toybox has a mkroot tool now. | |
imiric wrote 14 hours 59 min ago: | |
Indeed. [1] would be a better link to discuss. | |
It's an interesting project. I wasn't aware it also built minimal | |
Linux images. It seems like a great base for a new distro, just | |
bring your own package manager. Nix would be a great fit for this. | |
[1]: https://github.com/landley/toybox | |
watersb wrote 16 hours 31 min ago: | |
A tiny Linux image along the lines of the Docker hosted base. | |
It isn't trying to be a Docker or Alpine, it's just a tiny runnable | |
image. I find it interesting and useful for running an x8_64 Linux | |
under QEMU on my Kindle Fire tablet. Tiny things, test CLI tools. | |
The project's author, Rob Landley, was maintainer for BusyBox for about | |
a year, but disagreed with BusyBox originator Bruce Parens over GPL | |
3.0 licensing. | |
Landley's current idea of a multi-tool binary for Linux userland, | |
ToyBox, is the basis for this tiny runnable system image. | |
[1]: https://landley.net/toybox/ | |
unwind wrote 6 hours 5 min ago: | |
It's Perens [1] although your spelling/typo is kind of more awesome | |
in the context. Not sure if he's into Lisp, too. | |
[1] | |
[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Perens | |
chasil wrote 16 hours 14 min ago: | |
Toybox also forms much of Android's implementation of POSIX.2. | |
djbusby wrote 16 hours 38 min ago: | |
Commits are from years ago. | |
But still, very cool to have a tiny system that can get far enough to | |
rebuild itself. | |
Not sure where the use case is today, docker has small images and so do | |
other VM based images. Maybe for a mid-level custom build, special NAS | |
or something? | |
Brian_K_White wrote 16 hours 0 min ago: | |
I think it doesn't need to have a use case. It's low level enough | |
that it's like asking what the use case is for cat. IE, it's a tool | |
or even merely a component, or possibly a reference environment, not | |
a product. (sure it's also kind of a product, it's obviously not | |
litterally equivalent to cat, I'm just saying there is more than one | |
way to look at it) | |
Someone may or may not use it in anger for something some time, but | |
things like this need to already exist before other people can come | |
along later and stick the existing lego blocks together. | |
gnabgib wrote 17 hours 33 min ago: | |
Article title & h1: Ab Origine - Latin, "From the beginning" | |
abraae wrote 15 hours 58 min ago: | |
Though it makes sense, quite a jarring use of the word to | |
Antipodeans, who mostly would say it relates to the native people of | |
Australia. | |
dghughes wrote 7 hours 2 min ago: | |
"Antipodeans" is more jarring to me what a weird way to describe | |
people. Seems to be mainly Australia and New Zealand but people in | |
Spain would also be Antipodeans to Aus and NZ. | |
thejohnconway wrote 6 hours 42 min ago: | |
Going to start calling people in the Northern Hemisphere | |
"podians". | |
senectus1 wrote 15 hours 16 min ago: | |
yeah that was my shocked first thought. | |
datascienced wrote 13 hours 23 min ago: | |
AbOrigin would be a better name | |
Although the self hosting thing doesnât make it an origin in my | |
book. More of a quine? The first Linux release would be the | |
original. As for aboriginal I donât think the metaphor even | |
works. | |
sevagh wrote 6 hours 18 min ago: | |
Primal Linux. Primordial Linux. Prehistoric Linux. Neanderthal | |
Linux | |
animaomnium wrote 5 hours 48 min ago: | |
Grug Brained Linux. | |
senectus1 wrote 3 hours 36 min ago: | |
Abiogenux? | |
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